Two In The Think Tank - 44 - The October Crisis

Episode Date: August 24, 2016

In downtown Montreal an English diplomat is getting dressed when a group of men with guns storm into his room and force him into a taxi. He has just been kidnapped by a French Canadian terrorist organisation, and the country is about to go into turmoil. (Also there is sex with radios and Pierre can't tell if people ghosts). Welcome to The October Crisis.Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPod  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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It is not Sunday morning. It is Sunday night when we are recording this my name is Dave one again I'm joined by the soulful turns. I've missed a match to it and that's a cut What the fuck does that? No one says that was trying to sound like a purposefully mentioned your soft old times We have to keep you singing it start the show Got you there, and I were here from we're gonna hear from Jess as well. Jess, do you want to sing your intro as well? No.

Oh, good. Great. I want to see my life. I want to see my life. I want to see my life. I got someone who needs me. That was a great Jess, thank you. How's his backup singer before?

I know, well, I will see what I'll listen to Yeah, can you not leave any of that in let's go from the top now? We're keeping it in Matt. We want the listeners to hear your your soft little time And I've been here my voice. It's probably it's a sound a little bit scratchy than usually a bit of a cold No, you sound wonderful. I'm glorious. I hosted a 1980s themed trivia night last night in a hall, and I had to use my voice a lot and I already had a cold, so. You didn't even let me finish my compliment. Oh, please.

Like, I was like, no, you sound great, and then you just cut me down. So I also mentioned that my ears are slightly blocked, and it's hard for me to hear what you're saying. Yeah, right, that's convenient. So another thing about Dave is that, oh, well that makes it hard for me to make fun of you now. Me. But please, you were going to make fun of me. That's what I like you.

Please try. You go on. I was just going to say unlike you Dave doesn't need to bathe in his compliments. Yeah, I'm fine. Is this because I stopped a conversation before to read out a compliment I'd been sent. Hey guys, I just got a text from someone telling me that my standup it was pretty great. So we were walking into the podcast studio and just loudly said, well this is very nice and Dave and I didn't ask her what it was about.

She waited a little bit and they went, so it's a message about my standard from earlier. We still didn't engage. We're still looking at eyes on the floor. Yeah, they never make eye contact. And anyway, it goes on to say, geez Louise, you've got it, kid. I want to sign you right now to my big comedy label, which is, it's just, it's not a big deal, but it's, you know, we're trying. And I mean, before you say no,

just know that we're looking to work hard on this little project, and I want to make you a big deal. We want to get in the Jess Perkins business, as well as the label business that we're already in. It was a long message. Yeah, and that was, I don't know how you remembered it, for words that I was saying. That was amazing.

Thank you. And what's this, a birthday card from last year, from my grandma, well, okay, I'll read it out to everyone. To our darling granddaughter. You know the best part about my grandma is, when when I was a kid I equipped that she was our family's ancient artifact. Oh you piece of shit. That's very funny.

You piece of shit. Like in a really loving way and I was on the bat 9 and now she signs off her Christmas and birthday cards. Love from your ancient artifact. That is so cute. Actually I take it back, that's adorable. She's not offended by it, she thinks this is great. What are my aunties?

I don't remember the in joke that we had when I was a kid, but I always referred to her as the purple fairy. I don't know why anymore. I don't really remember how it started, I'll have to ask her, but she's still saved in my phone as purple fairy. And she signs off like text messages to me with purple fairy and a purple love heart. It's so cute.

Matt, touching story please. We've got to complete the trio. Any adorable nicknames with family members. Make one up if you need to. It's not about an uncle who touched you. That's a different type of touching story. Skip skip. Okay, next. Just get through all the way through my- Just going through the role of the ex of names. Okay. I'm just going through the roll of the exit names. Okay, I remember we used to call one of our uncles Square Head. Is he's head rather square?

I can't remember why, but we used to laugh like we were just fucking him up so good. Hey Square Head, and I think he played it if he like are you guys? Does he ever does he sign his text messages as SH then a purple square? No, we don't talk anymore. Oh, I wonder why no correlation. No, no correlation. Well anyway guys this is the show where we talk about our loved ones nicknames and also we talk to you at each other about a topic we take it in turns to do a report it is my turn. Yes. It's a Warnocky special. We love the Warnocky stuff.

To delve into the hat. Pick a topic and talk the talk. I'm feeling good. You feeling good? You said before you weren't feeling that good. No, a voice wise, report wise. Mixing messages. No, no, voice wise, report wise, impeccable, it's always, but as always, voice wise, I think you sound like an angel. So you find it. Do I have a little little bit of a ross? We sound perfect. Oh, thank you.

I was hoping I'd send a little sexy the neutral, but is that possible? You sound rhetorical. Rhetorical. Don't answer. You sound as... Mm-hmm. Yes, youorical. Don't answer. You sound as...

Yes, yes. Oh. You sound as sexy as is tolerable for me as a friend. Like I haven't quite jumped over to the sexually attracted to Dave. I'd have the best, do you know what I mean? Is this a compliment or... I don't know what is happening right now. But I feel uncomfortable. It's probably best that we're not sexually attracted to each other. I'm gonna be honest. It's probably best

Look I'm I'm hurt for Dave Matt on the other hand. I feel really weird about that sentence. I tried to form just before that's fine No, you but you think I'm sexy which I like But not in a weird way. It's just trying to come up. Wait. No. I think she was saying she doesn't no It's sexy to a point sexy that Wait, no, I think she was saying she doesn't... No, no, she's... No, it's sexy, but not like so sexy that I'm gonna... Right. I find you sexy.

Pants on level of sexy enough. Pants on level of sexy, just like a little... Oh, Dave sounds a bit sexy. Oh, but if I took my pants off of it... No, no, no, no, no, no. Everyone keep your pants off. No, but if I took them off, it wouldn't be weird, but...

And no, it would be weird. In context. No, I don't think you get it. Like, if we all did a sleep over. How'd you took your pants off of a sleep in pants? Yes. Pajama No, I don't think you get it. Like, if we all did a sleepover, would I have to sleep in pants? Yes. Pajama pants? I don't wear pajama pants.

Well, you are at a sleepover. Do you, would you sleep? He's coming nude to a... No, not nude, I'm wearing box of shorts. It's okay. I mean, it's winter. Why do we talk like, weird old silky ones? No, like, you know.

Just shorts, just cotton shorts. Fabric cotton. Like, that's okay, you can wear shorts, that's fine. Yeah, like, like, boxed briefs. Yeah. Yeah, that's okay, you can wear those. T-shirt, you need to eat. I mean, as long as your little pecker isn't getting excited.

Well, we also have our own beds in our own rooms. And our own cities. We're going on a... It's weird. We're doing a punk-ass. I'm in New York, you're an LA mat, and just... You're an Auckland for some reason. Sick. It's got strange, because when we're here, and Jess, you're in Auckland for some reason. Sick.

It's got strange, because when we were here, we sleep in bunk beds on top of each other, but when we travel, different cities. Different cities. We can't stay at each other on the road. Speaking of traveling, I just found out my friend Matt is getting, he got engaged, right? Yeah. And we've said for ages that his box weekend is gonna be in Munich So we're gonna Munich

When and why Munich is there ever a next for the group? Yeah, oh Going this next year it'll be next year. So it's 2017 looking forward to that is awesome happy Engage happy engagement Matt That is awesome. Happy engagement. Happy engagement, Matt. Why not again? That is what a guy. He, he, that's so cool. Does anyone else apart from you remember the Phoenix River?

Because the awful live you were like, you know what I'm saying? We were just talking about it today. We got, was like, he, he, because he just came back from Europe and he's like, hey guys, I got some big news. I asked it, a marry man, she said yes. And we said, Munich!

That's nice, we supported. That's exactly what he was hoping for. I should make some sort of arrangement like that with my friends. But none of them are in like relationships that again you know you get in early that's fine all right yes I'm getting if I get engaged I'll take you to cheesecake shop yes yes but you're choice you're flavor as long as it's not fact raspberry raspberry cheesecake I mean I'd like to explore my options I don't like I'm sure I like syrup I don't like a passion fruit. I like that. I like the fruits, but I don't

like sort of like a like a just a plain cheese cake. It's a bit boring. My friend Lini has already taken my requests for what sort of birthday cake I would like this year because I get back from overseas a few days after my birthday. She's gonna make me like a chalk mint cheesecake. I know it's combining a whole bunch of things. Mint I don't like it. I like I like chalk mint. I know, it's combining a whole bunch of things. Mint, I don't like it. I like chalk mint, I like cheesecake. Yeah, but let's combine the two. I'm willing to give it a try.

I'll bring you some. Wait, I'm not invited to your birthday. Well, I wasn't really having a party, she's just making me a cake. What a way to find out. Yeah, I think you've been uninvited. Anyway, do you want to start on the podcast, maybe? Instead of talking about it. Unfortunately, it's not cake based. Damn, do you want to start on the podcast mess? Yeah, so talking about it. Unfortunately, it's not cake-based.

Damn, fuck this. Don't worry, wait for the day, oh, delve into the hat and I'll get the cake topic that has been submitted. Cake. Pastors in there. Pastors in that. Oh, no, there's pastors in here. Yeah, that's everywhere.

It's very crunchy. It's lucky it's a dry pasta. Aldente. Alright, we always start with a question. We do. My question is, if I mentioned... If I wasn't October crisis of 1970, what country would you think I was talking about? Germany. Have a guess. 1970. I'm not sure why I

went Germany. The summer of love is over. So that's right. And we're in crisis. 1970. What do I know about that year? I don't think I know anything about 1970 you after the moon landing the year the Beatles spoke I know the germane grier released a an seminal work the female unique 1970 something I know about that year good that's about it I read that today that's not nice that's not me that actually is amazing you know but I wasn't that wasn't an answer to his question. And we've got a country. A country.

I have had some gussies. I don't know why. It's a Germany. Okay, I'm guessing it's not Germany. It is not Germany. Yes. So, I mean, 140 something together. All right.

Is it, it's, it's, it feels like I would, if it was Australia, I'd know. It's not Australia. I'm gonna guess, because you, you, you normally like to go for more obscure countries. I'm thinking something like Canada. No, it's not obscure, that's the joke. I'm thinking. Well, I'll stop you right there Matt, because the correct answer is in fact Canada. Oh yeah!

Well, you see, I had that question because I thought, well, crisis, everyone thinks Canada's great. Everyone likes Canada. There's not gonna be a crisis. So you'll never guess that, and I'd be like, guys, I'm talking about a nice place. It's Canada. That was weird that that came to mind. So Canada, okay. This topic, the October Crisis of 1970, in Canada has been suggested by Carly on email.

I assume she's Canadian, there's no evidence for that because this is, I believe, a famous thing in Canada. But I mentioned it to my email. Was there an email, Carly the Canuck, at CanadaMail. Was it all, oh Canada at Canada.com? Was it, hey, I'm a really lovely person from Northern America but not from the USA. I'm actually at Gmail.com. Was it Carly from Canada at Gmail.com? Was it hi I was born in Vancouver but now live in Montreal. Was it hi, I'm Kali A. Yeah, Kali A. The last name is Anderson.

Yeah, that's right. And I'm married to a mountain and also I'm a mountain as well. Because ladies can be mountain. Because ladies can be mountain too. It's 2016 at G-Bel's like, oh. I've got a story that I never come across and I assume she's Canadian because I only make that assumption because I mentioned this to my dad who knows so much and he was alive in 1970 and I was

like have you ever heard of this and he said I don't know what you're talking about. So I assume that maybe this is probably a famous political incident in Canada. Oh a political right at my alley. But not that's right but not possibly here in Australia or for people that were born a lot after the event. Which is nice because we talk about a lot of things on this podcast that our Australian listeners would be familiar with with but not our international audiences. That's right.

They'd heard about Ned Kelly until I dropped some truth bombs on him. You dropped those bombs and luckily we were wearing a lot of a suit of armour, so we survived. We survived. All right, so let's jump into the October crisis of 1970. On the morning of October 5th, 1970. It was October.

I reckon the crisis is that they ran out of October. So they've changed it to a drama? We need to have 31 days. So they changed it to a rock drama. That's that's how October. I repeated the joke. You didn't know too. I heard it. I was about to come around to adjust

Bloody hell. We all got it October 5th 1970 on a quiet street and painting the image here guys the landscape in his large house in downtown Montréal 49 year old British diplomat James Cross was at home with his wife Barbara getting ready for work He was only half dressed when four men, three with machine guns and one with a revolver suddenly burst into his bedroom. The four men had posed as delivery men dropping off a present for the diplomats' recent birthday, so they made let them in, and then they pulled out machine guns. I assume they pulled them

out from like a bouquet of flowers Didn't kill the main but she trusted them Because I had machine guns I trust anyone who has them Come on in come on in more like David out in broad. I would trust him more if you had a machine Big time make yourself at home make yourself a cuppa This don't put down the machine. He's my pin number hold on to that machine machine gun mate. He's my pin number. I'll trust you'll never need it. Because you're probably savvy with the business plans as well. Yeah. You probably got your own money.

You've got a budget. You save. Machine guns are expensive mate. I know that. You know what you're doing. You know what you're doing. He's here more right. Cross was talking to his wife in his dressing room. Dressing room. Oh, that's quite a part of that.

Dressing room. My dream. When the men suddenly appeared, appeared. Looking to his wife in his dressing room, dressing room, so it's quite a part of that. That's a dressing room. My dream. When the men suddenly appeared, appeared. The man with the pistol pointed at him and said, get down on the floor or you'll be fucking dead. He said that. Not mucking around.

He said, said the F word. He dropped the F from. That's not the Audi, that's not the Audi. They've just met, he's never met this man before. You don't say that in the first sentence to someone. No, rude. It is. It is rude. He's some sort of terrorist His dog this is James cross jumped on the bed and immediately started growling at the gunman trying to protect his masters

What was the dog's name? You don't know woofie. You made that up Well, that's what you make that up. That's what they call the dog on terminator to trick the terminator into saying what the name So and then he goes, your step parents are dead. So awesome. So, the dog's on the bed. Wolfie's on the bed. He's grounding the guys.

The gunman tells Crosser's wife Barbara to hold the dog or he'd shoot it. So, none of that's good. Well, at least he didn't say he'd fucking shoot it. Or he'd fuck it. I was just going to say, at least you didn't say he'd fucking shoot it or he'd fuck it I At least you didn't say fuck it. Well, you know what? Hold that dog still or fuck it One of the other work. I think you probably need a hold still in both cases holding it still David David! Oh, that dog's still so I can fucking-

No, no, orr up. No, they obviously did with the gunman sandal and slasual. They obviously did with the gunman sand, but Barbara insisted that she'd be able to say goodbye to her husband and she bravely went over and kissed him. Wait, what? Oh, because they're taking him away. They're taking him away. I thought she was just like, well, you're gonna kill him. So, no, no, we never said it. Well, you're taking her away. I thought she was just like, well, you're gonna kill him.

No, no, we never said it. Well, you're gonna kill him. The arm man. Hey, we're at Tom Cums. It's what he would have wanted. I'm right here. Shut up, Johnny. We had a good run. We got married last week.

Don't speak. The arm. Don't speak Turn that fucking radio over on fucking All right, I'll do it. I'll do it. I'll just hold it still. I'll just do The armed men Then forced to cross Still half dressed into a taxi which it seems so bizarre because the taxi driver presumably had dropped off what he thought with four people dressed as delivery man. Yeah, I'm sorry. Who then? Now they've returned holding machine guns

and a half dressed man. And they're like, yeah we'll pay the fair, take us to our hideout. Also his name is Mr. Cross. Like a Mr. Man. Yeah, but, good name Mr. Cross. He doesn't seem that angry. He will be. Nevertheless, James Cross had just been kidnapped by the radical group, the FLQ, the From Delibre Ascian, the Quebec. So the FLQ, there's a bit of background, was a separatist paramilitary group in Quebec, founded in the early 1960s. It militantly supported independence from Canada for the French-speaking

province of Quebec, so they wanted to become their own country. Bobo? Bobo? Bobo? Bobo? Bobo? Bobo? Bobo?

Bobo? Bobo? Bobo? Bobo? Can me whatever you want to me? Bobo? It's still my favorite? Bobo? Bob A store favourite? And Bob more? I tell people that story.

I'm so excited. I've told so many people it. I'm going to make it a business stand up, Rick. No, you have to. I've told people at work, I've told my family. I'll be doing it at a gig and someone will say, mate, I've heard this story, you play to us. Yeah, yeah.

My my my kiss at work told me. No, I'm the guy in the story. It's me. Yeah, right, I made. The FLQ was regarded as a terrorist organization for its violent methods of action. Between 1963 and 1970, the group had detonated 95 bombs in Canada, mainly targeting male boxes. But they're they hated website is dot all- They had a female Female boxes. No, no, no, male boxes before 1969, which caused extensive damage and injured 27 people. Oh, I haven't killed anyone though. Oh, in the bumming, in that bumming.

Well, they haven't killed anyone. Why are we even talking about it? Like, what, they call themselves terrorists. Well, they bombed a lot of stuff. Our Montreal City Hall, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Armed Forces Recruiting Officers, railway tracks, Army installations, FLQ members in a strategic movement, Stolen, Tons of Dynamite for military and industrial sites, and financed themselves with bank robberies. So they're pretty serious. Sure.

Bad dudes. By 1970, so the year of this kidnapping, 23 members of the group were in prison, including four convicted of murder. So they go, they had killed someone. But this was their first ever kidnapping. Of course the man they kidnapped was James Cross. Mr. Cross. Mr. Cross. Or as his friends called him, James Cross. Jasper. Jasper. It's a good nickname. It was born in Ireland. Paul Jasper. You know I love nicknames. Jasper's a good one. It is a good one, isn't it? Where does it come from? I'm not sure why they called him Jasper. You know I love nicknames Jasper's a good one. It is a good one, isn't it? Where does it come from?

I'm not sure why they called him Jasper He had served in the second world war perhaps in the in his army days. I just nicknamed him Jasper Nice. We'll never know that he fought for the Liberation of France So the isn't it is not no stranger to French liberation. Let's not forget that He's not no stranger to French liberation. Let's not forget that. After the war, he joined the diplomatic service and eventually served as trade commissioner at various places around Canada before being promoted

to senior trade commissioner in Montreal, Quebec. Now, if you're wondering what a trade commissioner is, fear not because I've got the information. Great. The information. Information. Trade commissioner is the title of a government who, government official, his primary duties out to promote international trade agreements and export trade programs on behalf of a

national or regional government authority. So he's just pretty much trading stuff between England and Canada. But he's pretty high up in the chain, so that's ways in a nice house. He's a diplomat. He has a maid. He's got a wife and a dog. He's got a dressing room. He's got a radio that you can fuck. That's what I mean. Those things, in 1970, those things cost a fortune.

Yeah. Am I right, Matt? Fuckable red is, yeah, big time. Feet. Yeah, I've been... Try and find one now. Oh, can't. I saw one on Antics Road trip the other day.

They were talking about like two and a half thousand pounds. You're kidding. Pounds. Pounds. Pounds. Oh, pounds, sorry. That's five grand here. 5,000 big ones. Yeah, as we call Australia,

5,000 dollar reduce. And that's our national currency. That's one that had been fucked already. Like if you get another fucked radio. Oh, that's a few. Not fucked one. So still, even more. Like a Barbie doll in the box.

If you've got an un-fifth radio. Like a Barbie doll in the box who've got an un-fifth radio like a Barbie doll in the box. There's so much going on here it's like a rich tapestry of fuck. That's a vivid image or is it? It's not. Let's move on. The FLQ's ransom demands were for the release of the 23 what they saw as political prisoners and the broadcast of their group's manifesto to the public on the radio. There's that radio again. And we wanted on this fuckable radio tonight. Whenever you guys talk about that radio it gets me hot.

I'm so sorry for saying yuck. Yeah that's pretty offensive isn't it man. What the image of me getting hot for a radio is yuck. Yeah yeah definitely is. The Canadian Foreign Minister announced to the group that in exchange for Cross's life, they would let them go to a foreign country no questions asked. No. Which, if you're a kidnapper, to me, that's not a very good offer because you could have just done that anyway. You didn't have to kidnap a man to be allowed to go to another country. You can just leave.

Yeah. You can, like it's kind of easy. And Canada, most countries will accept you with open arms. Yeah They asked us a sign of good faith for the group to release cross But of course the authorities didn't get a response from the FLQ as cross is their only bargaining chip That's a son of good faith You release him and then we'll talk then we'll talk Then we'll if you release him then we'll release your 23 minds all right, I think that's video as a son of good faith

That is so funny. You're really trusting Kidnapper. Oh, yeah, okay sure cross go We wait right That million dollar check should be arriving any day now No questions asked The authorities didn't get a response from the FLQ so as a second concession they broadcast the FLQ's manifesto on the radio as they had asked. I guess the group that I hope the more French speaking

citizens would hear their ideals and join the group. That's sort of what they're going for. Rally the troops. Yeah that kind of thing. Try and get more people supporting their sides and they're not just a fringe group but like, you know, have a lot of support. That's kind of a strange thing to play it on the radio though. Play some propaganda of a terrorist group in the radio. Yeah. And we should rise up and we should kill the people that are paying for the broadcasts of this mess.

It does seem strange. It's a bit weird. James Cross and his kidnappers. Kidnappers. Well, they were kidnapped. The technical term, I believe. James Cross and his kidnappers, as I will refer to them from now on, so I don't look stupid. Who would their manifesto being read out on the radio, but nothing changed.

Of course it didn't. Cross didn't realistically think they'd get their demands and over the next 36 hours he was sure he was going to be killed. Then on October 10th, the stakes were raised even further when Deputy Premier and Minister of Labor for the Province of Quebec, Pierre Le Port. Great name. Was also kidnapped by the FLQ. Uh oh.

I'm making a lot of this so bad. I didn't need to. Oh no, someone's getting it back. Wow, wow, wow. Head up, Laporte. Four armed men approach Laporte while he's playing football with his nephew on his front lawn and forced him into their vehicle at gunpoint. Yeah, Padon miss you.

If I could split you for just a one more minute. In the back of this car. If you would demand just getting into my vehicle over here It's not yeah sure I'm just playing soccer, but I'll be back in a second. It's weird. You don't have an accent of any kind Yeah, I've grown up in many different countries. So I've got this. Oh, well, that's really fascinating beautiful Struggling voice. Why did you spend on my journey? If I get it, I got it, I got it And same and seen they dubbed him the Minister of Unemployment and assimilation so they didn't like this guy at all and they held him for hostage demanding the release

of their 23 political prisoners in exchange for his freedom and James this is a different cell of the same group so the two men weren't held together in different locations group once the same, but the two men are nowhere near each other. Different parts of the city. Gotcha. Cross heard about this on the radio with the other group, and he was worried that now they were even more hard-line. He hopes that they'd pick up La Port first and come get him, because I think he thought that this other guy's a minister is more important than him, so he suddenly thought that they're going to go get the other guy before they get him. Sure.

That's sad. But if it was the three of us all taking hostage, I would assume it might be the last to be picked up. Really? Nah, fuck both of you. Yeah, me first. Bring me go first. Unless, while I am the youngest, and the most vulnerable. Let's trick you out the most vulnerable.

Two days later after the second kid nap being general took caught, sent troops to patrol the Montreal region by request to the federal governments. And now there's sort of army people everywhere. There's something to get worried. The two groups, the FLQ and the government, then appointed a lawyer each to try and negotiate the terms of their hostages or the release.

They're very strange. Yeah. You get like a lawyer on each side, and they try and get a contract going. Yeah, that's weird. That is really weird Because that doesn't happen in the films. Yeah, in our situation So you just like terrorist lawyer. Yeah, get him out. Oh, yeah, imagine so the terrorist lawyers actually got the supports their ideals So he's not just like government appointed and then he's like, I't want to go on go on there. We got to make it fair We are Canada do you best we're delightful? We are so nice Oh the next day October 13 prime minister Pierre Trudeau so many piers whose son is currently prime minister

I was gonna Justin Trudeau Trudeau is like and and he is very popular in my hipster bubble that I live in anyway And he is very popular in my hipster bubble that I live in anyway He's still alive. I regret calling a hipster bubble. You live in a little bubble. You little hubble I live in a bubble, but I'm not saying it's a hipster bubble. It's just a just a very it's a very happy friendly bubble It's a bubble full of people that are right anyway Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau, father of the current Prime Minister, he's interviewed by

the CBC with respect to the military presence because he was being criticized for some putting the military on the streets and some people are going, what about our civil liberties? So when questioned by a reporter Tim Ralph on how far he would go in the suspension of civil liberties to maintain order, Trito famously replied, well, just watch me. This has become a famous and often used phrase in Canadian politics. I've heard just watch me. I didn't know they came up with that.

Just watch me. That's sexy. Like the other day, I saw this little kid say to their dad, I'm going down the slide. Just watch me. And I didn't realize that come from Canada. You didn going down the slide. Just watch me. And I didn't realize that come from Canada. That's cool. You didn't realize that. It is.

I didn't realize how political that was. I remember when my brother got in trouble when he was about 14 and Mum said, Michael, if you don't clean up your room, I'm gonna take a gameboy away. And he said, you wouldn't do that. And she said, just watch me. Oh my God.

I had no idea my mother and Perkins was so political. Hey, baby. Hey. Actually quite amazing. I went into the swatch shop at Melbourne, in Pory, I'm a walk-in and she said, how can I help you? I stuck my wrist out and said, well, just watch me.

She put a green watch on my wrist and I paid $95 for that thing. Right. She's been told to watch me. You've a green watch on my wrist, and I paid $95 for that thing. Right, she've been told that. She watched me. You've been saying you needed a new watch. She watched me go. Yeah, she watched me go. That's great.

That's so great. And I looked her and said, something in French. But mom. Mom? Oh, I didn't realize I was speaking to a French Canadian. To which she said, $95.

I won't say it again. She's just, sir, if you're not gonna buy a watch, please leave the story. You've been sending the cast rate just for 25 minutes. Also, why aren't you wearing pants? Well, it's funny you're saying that because it's a cool song. Then Dave pointed over to the shop across the way,

which was like a hair removalist place. Yeah. And he said, just crutch me and he pointed to these little pecker. And then this, I mean, it's very hairy for some reason. Well, I imagine. And the shopping said the security came over, Dave was affected.

Well, the big deal. But I got the lot for free. They were not prepared to tackle me with no pants. They were not prepared. So nobody is prepared to tackle me with no pants. And that's why I'm a winner. No, ready. No, let's end that food. So we've done one each. We went around the table a winner. Oh, ready.

No, let's end that food. I think we've done one each. We went around the table and you got greedy, man. Yeah. You went for two and the second one was no good. What was the first one I went for? The kid on the slide. Oh, there it is. It was like a minute ago.

Look, I mean, you had your pants stand. I thought I saw an opening. And then I turned around. Grice. Dave, please do go on. So that's a famous phrase. Well, just watch me in Canadian politics. I was reading about the phrase. It's got to send wiki pidi a page this phrase. What a family of politicians. And even the son just a couple of years ago, someone said to him, you wouldn't ever consider being Prime Minister would you?

And he said, well, just watch me. Get out. Reference to his death. I love that. That's beautiful. I love that. I love that. It's so funny that that is a famous saying.

There's got to be T-shirts, right? There's got to be T-shirts. Just watch me T-shirts. Hashtag just watched me. There it is. There it is. I did it. Just watch me. That's definitely the hashtag of the week

It's very good, but you used to actually create something there. You're just taking a famous political saying yeah I'm putting a hashtag on the front of it. No, I'm at like Just trying to feel my way through life. Okay, there's no book come on Matt. How many times do you have to tell you? way through life. Okay, there's no book. Come on Matt. How many times do you have to tell you? Well, yeah. So just, I'll get back in. It's almost like we're gonna have to write it down in some sort of book. Give it to you. Which would defeat the person. Yeah, oh, Matt. The negotiation between the two groups fire their laws are put to an end after just three days. They don't reach any agreements. Oh, weird. Who would have thought? Who would have thought they would? The next day though, the general public really start to worry when Union Labor leader Michele Chattrand, who was an FLQ supporter and now said a rally,

we are going to win because there are more boys ready to shoot members of parliament than there are policemen. So that she's... And that quote is why the reporter is in Newspapers and it really frightens many Canadians who I started to think that there might be some sort of civil war about to break out in Quebec. Oh my god On October 16 Prime Minister Trudeau shows that he was not bluffing when he said just watch me because he granted the government of Quebec emergency powers that allowed them to apprehend and keep in custody individuals. This resulted in the implementation of the War Measures Act, allowing arrests without trial

and giving the police further powers. Wow, that's amazing. Take it like anyone up and for about four months and not. Oh, scary. Yeah, it's very scary. It did not come without its critics, but at the time, close to 90% of Canadians, and all three opposing political parties agreed with the measures. So some people are saying, hey, this is not cool, but the majority are saying we feel unsafe.

Probably some majority are going, well, it's not me, so I won't get arrested, but it's like a lot of people probably. Yeah, well, the police arrested and detained without bail, nearly 500 people. Which is like some sort of thing that goes on in like a country run by some sort of crazy dictator. The trick is just to make the people scared, and then you can take all their rights away. It's good trick. A lot of, I think, and it's been used quite a lot.

It works, you know. It's a tale as old as time. That's right, it's a scary tactic. Meanwhile, are these still captive James Crossman or James? Still there. Jesper from the start. He was now allowed to sit at a desk during the day. Hello.

Well, the television's set in the corner. Oh, he's fine. He's got a TV. He's got a desk. He's writing his memoirs. More than I've got. No, I've got a TV. But he watched the news in handcuffs and he wore a hood.

So we couldn't see and identify his kidnappers. What's the point in having a TV? Well, the hood, it's sort of, it's like, it allowed him to see straight in front of him, but not have any peripherals. We can't see and identify as kidnappers. What's the point in having a TV? Well, it's sort of, it's like, it allowed him to see straight in front of him but not have any peripherals. We can't see their faces. So they see the TV. Because if you can't.

If you can't see the TV in Mazor, just be a radio that you can fuck. LAUGHTER And last, Dave, is it a TV that he can fuck? I believe it was. Oh, that's why his handcuffs, he was really going for it. Well, he'd been held captive for a long time. That's just how he liked it.

Well, there's fluffy handcuffs. The next Saturday evening news report came out that a body had been found in the trunk of a car. It was just outside Montreal and when it was found it was confirmed to be Pierre Le Port The minister second kidnapped man. Oh, no his name means Pierre the door Matt, he was just feeling a trunk of a car. Yeah, you would have thought it would have been oh no Yeah No, I don't think it could be as good or as bad as you think it's gonna be Just yeah, it's where they'd it'd be under a boot, not...

behind a... Laporte. Oh, no. Cross was watching live on TV with Absolute Horror, because he was, of course, expecting to be next. And he had reason to, because the FLQ announced that he will be executed next if the, quote, fascist police discovered them and attempted to intervene. They also repeated their demands and added in a few new ones. They wanted the FLQ manifesto

published this time sort of in an newspaper. I don't know how to get a book here. We want scholastic and we want a three-month deal. That's right we want to be in every high school across the country. They wanted the release of their political prisoners and they wanted an airplane to take them to either Cuba or Algeria. Both countries. They want to go... They were off of that earlier.

Yeah, they couldn't have had. Any questions, any questions. No questions. No questions are. Any questions are. That's our deal. We can ask any question. No questions are any questions are That's a deal we'll ask any question You let us ask any question you can get on the plane how many radius you fucked 10 welcome board welcome to plane welcome to plane straight to Cuba

Remember I said I wasn't gonna see them this episode that That was adorable. That was an impossible task. I can't do it. Uh, Kuber and Algeria were both countries that they felt a strong connection to as a group because of their struggle against colonialism and the imperialism. They struggle? They struggle at all. That struggle and trouble? That's right, I create portmanteaus on the fly. They struggle. They struggle. They struggle. The, um, they wanted a, quote, voluntary tax of $500,000

to be loaded aboard the plane prior to departure. I just ran some money, but they just put some political spin on it. What do they call it? Voluntary tax. Voluntary tax, sure, yeah. They should have just said we want a donation of $500,000. And they wasn't one of the name of the informer who would sold out the FLQ activist earlier in the year.

So I wanted them to write it out. Oh. You know, when you transfer money to your friends, like say, somebody pays for lunch and you transfer some money and you always make like a funny description. Oh, what's it what it's going to be? Yeah.

Like the most recent one I got was Nipple Oil. It's pretty funny. Was it for some sort of other oil? No, it's because I've been making a joke earlier that night about oiling nipples. Anywho. And you gotta take, you gotta print that out and take that to your accountant.

Yeah. What's this, what's this Nipple oil? Maybe, never you mind. Exactly, it sounds. Also it was like $500. It was like an expensive Nipple oil. Or a lot. Yeah, a lot of oil. 500 litres of Nipple oil. It's a dollar a liter of a shoe. It sounds also it was like $500. It was like a expensive nipple oil or or a lot. Yeah a lot of I want to leave this is a little oil. It's a dollar a little bit too. It's not bad. It's a good price.

Fine and bulk though. Anyway, I just like to imagine that like the government's way of fucking over there The people that are asking for ransom is like all right fun. Yeah, no fun fun fun. We'll give you the money sure But I'm making it a funny fuck to name so you look like a weirdo. Yeah, I'm gonna write anal beads anal beads You got to catch that in the Cuban bank. Yeah, I found with that decadent I'm gonna go like a creep anal beads. anal beads? 500,000 dollars worth. Yeah penis enlargement surgery money. Money from grandma for penis enlargement surgery. 500,000 and 12 of them going to cash it.

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Or correct. At 2am, the National Broadcast mistakenly announced that Cross was dead and his body was found. What? So he was very upset particularly because he thought his wife and daughter might be also listening or watching. And even the kidnappers took pity on him that night and gave him Asperin to help him sleep. Oh, they thought back.

They thought back as though I was like, geez you're not dead at all mate. Are you? Are you dead? We've kidnapped a ghost! Shit! Shit! We've got to sit here. We'll take them right to Cuba. We'll take them right to Cuba!

The handcuffs won't hold a ghost! He's fucking the TV like crazy! We've kidnapped a ghost! That is very good. Hahaha! Oh no! Oh no! Not again!

We killed it every time! Fuck Pierre, Jesus Christ! It's always a Pierre, it's always Pierre. It's always Pierre. What? Hahaha! It's all Pierre said. What?

It looks like a normal man. Sure, he fluttered through the holes. That's all P.S. It's what? You look like a normal man. Sure, he flotted through the holes. But don't know how these dipplin' has to do that. You know the phrase float like a dipplin' is? You heard that, Charlie. Am I the only one? Fuck, I'll go get another one.

I'll go get another one. No, P.F. We can't trust you to not get a go to the job. You fucked it. Pierre, sit in the corner. Go on, sit in the corner. You're out of the club, you are out of the FFLQ. Come on, let me give one. Just double check it before I go. It's their floating, they're the real ones, huh?

Is that right? Oh, man. You kidnap six ghosts and nobody trusts you. This country is fucking. I'm moving the Cuba. It's fucking, it's fucking the radio. That was very good. These handcuffs cannot hold him. Oh, it's fucking the radio. That was very good. That was very good.

Oh, great. These handcuffs cannot hold him. The rest of the podcast is going to be enjoying Dave's little work today. Dave's doing a very good day for me. Just two hours of recapping. Slow my replay. Do you know what sucks to, though, is that a lot of Dave's stories are made even better

by his facial expressions, and they just lost, they're just like a little trait for you and I. If anyone wants to give us a TV show, we'll probably say yes. And when I say probably, I mean definitely. Well, what if it was like one of those crazy Japanese characters? No matter what the show is. Wow, okay. Yeah, I reckon. Come on, Matt, what else we got going on?

I mean, I got a blockbuster movie card somewhere in my wallet, so I got stuff going on. Oh, you didn't tell us about that, Jess? Yeah, I don't think you should be sharing. Well, how long have you been sitting on that? You want to go get a VHS so we can get whatever you want? Five weekly, five dollars, please. Like, a human inflation hasn't applied to this plate. That seems too good five or five That's too good. How do they ever make money? How weekly? I know that's seven days out of circulation

Anyway, no wonder they went in a business. Oh, we were talking about Barbara who He's his wife who he was worried was watching she had remained in the house for three weeks after his kidnapping But she thought it was too stressful her to be there at the time because there were frequent hoax calls from people Oh claiming that they knew where it cross was that's awful which is messed up for a second when you said like it was too stressful for To be that I thought you know like so she went on a holiday. Well, she did she went to what she went and say with the relative in Switzerland Well, she did, she went to, what, she went and stayed with the relative in Switzerland. Oh, but I'm a ski resort. Yeah, oh, it's too stressful, I better go skiing. Yeah.

Hot, chocky, thanks. Learning what a bitch. What a bitch. There's an all sorts of appointments. What a bitch. What a bitch. Oh, well, I'm not going to go that far. I think if, if, like, look, stress can do funny things to people.

Yeah, you know what I mean? Some people just need to ski. People mourn in to people. Yeah, you know what I mean. Some people... Just need the ski. People mourn in different ways. Yeah, I like the ski downhill. I meant to say, mourn. Mourn downhill? Mourn downhill. Do you fuck toast as well your morning as well?

Yes. I regret this all I've said has been for fuck. I'm having a great time. I'm asleep every time we record. Great. Wake me up. Wake you up in five. Wake me up in five before you're done.

Days turn to weeks. By late November James Cross still had not been found. No. But he's not dead. The government tried many measures to find cross. This is a quote from crosses audio memoir of the story. Audio memoir? Crosses audio memoir.

How does that work? I'm just trying to figure out, because Dave often gives away if they survived on an early with little clues like that. Could he have recorded the audio memoir on, say the fuckable radio or something like that? Perhaps. And then died in custody, in captivity or. In a way. Or.

Okay. Is this some sort of post-freedom? Hmm. Audio, memoir. What the fuck is an audio memoir? And in a way follow up question, is this podcast in fact? This is kind of our audio memoir, but when we talk about the lives of other people. Why didn't you let me finish my question? Maybe I was going to say something different.

Oh please. Maybe in a way is this podcast. Ow! Audio memoir. Oh good. I'm very perceptive. You are. I've finished all your sentence.

You've very perceptive upside down. Yeah. I'm going to rip the upside down. Well, not long. Ew. Oh okay. Oh, I've got one. It does hurt. It does hurt to be. Well, not long. Eel. Oh, okay. I've got one. It does hurt to be called eel, but yes.

Oh, I'm sorry. That's fine. I said the audio memoir. As in all cases like this, police were bombarded with crazy people of every sort with ideas to where I could be found. They read all sorts of things into my letters, which of course I did not intend. My wife and I had the exchange letters So you're sending what letters to a okay for instance when I wrote God damn this toaster looking sexy tonight

People read into it like all these funny things. I was just saying. I mean, I just found the toaster sexually attractive Geez, they'll well, they'll honestly they'll put meaning into anything. Like I fucked with this toaster and all of a sudden they're gone. He's having an affair with the toaster. I wasn't an affair. No, where? I never used that word. I just fucked a toaster.

There's no emotional attachment. I just fucked a toaster to underlines. Just. I guess, just don't read anything into this. I just fucked it toaster. Two underlines. Just. I guess, just. Don't read anything into this. I'm serious. I literally had sex with the toaster. My wife and I exchanged the endearment poo as in Winnie the Pooh. And there were a whole lot of policemen onto reading the A.A. Miln books in the hope that a clue would emerge. Oh wow.

Claire Boyance wrote in with detailed descriptions as where I could be found. One of them claimed that I was in a building in East Montreal, which turned out to be a deep freeze store. One reference in one of my letters to pet, another name for his wife, let to a raid of an innocuous pet shop in West Bond. Jesus. Perhaps the most elaborate operation concerns certain radio signals which were picked up radio radio radio location was applied And the premises rated to discover that it was merely a radio shop which had left a transmitter on Okay, someone which is in the corner with it

So if if people are reading so much into fucking the radio obviously that anyway if they're reading so much into his letters Why isn't he dropping some clues? So he doesn't know that things are being read because I imagine his wife can't reply to his letters, because otherwise she'd know the address. So what's he writing? He looks like one of those creepy guys who keeps texting you on Tinder. So I think he's just writing letters saying like, I'm still alive. But I mean, if he doesn't know she's getting them or not. Yeah. Why is that enough of a reason? Why write them at all then? I haven't heard from you, but, um, excuse me, Wells.

Yeah. You're still a written back. What the fuck? Are you too busy to write? I bet you've gone to Switzerland, haven't you? You have. I bet you're skiing. You're skiing again, aren't you?

Mm-hmm. Classic about it. You always mourns that way. Yeah. I know you. Pooh. Ugh. Uh, FLQ also sent letters to the authority

Repeating demands of they still banging on about the demand but they even sent a photo of their hostage James cross sitting on a box of Explosives. Oh, bully. Yeah, but but threatening sounds like he's had too much Mexican food. Don't Mexican It's an explosive seats. It's explosive asshole Sorry, sorry It's an explosive seat. It's an explosive asshole. Sorry. No, sorry. Day to day, Cross just tries to follow orders to stay alive, so it just becomes one day after another. He just watches his TV, writes his audio memoirs, writes them apparently.

Well, he does his first draft. Fluxer radio. He can't idea. You know, you get to retain. I think that's the other way to stay sane in captivity. One day he was sitting watching television as he does. And they get... With his dick.

We have no respect for anything, do we? No. One day he was sitting watching television and the kidnappers put handcuffs on him, which is the first time they've done that in a week. So he's been there so long now that they've stopped. He's like one of the boys. Yeah well they've started just trusting him a bit right? Yeah. He instantly knew that something was up. He asked to the captors, what's going on? I reckon he's being moved. They responded that they thought the police had finally found their hideout.

This was confirmed when a little while later the electricity of the building went off. They knew that they were being surrounded. Cross was then taken from the church. Come up with your hands up! What? Pierre, Gossi was going on. It's nothing. It's nothing, it's just I'm going!

It's something going! Stop hassling me! Now I can identify a ghost and people. First you don't want ghosts and now you want more ghosts! What the fuck? Do you guys do a different accent for French Canadian as to French? Yeah, I was just thinking like... Yeah, absolutely.

Did you not hear the subtle difference? I saw what I could, I just wanted to make sure. If you didn't, you are a racist. Well, I'm not a racist. I just thought that was ghosts. So Cross was taken from his chair, led into the passageway between rooms and handcuffed to a door handle where he couldn't sit or stand It's very uncomfortable sort of like you could sit or stand so he's just kind of crouching. Yeah, crouching No, I don't think that door handles this must be pretty high handle, but then stand it. Oh

So is he hanging from it? Oh, is it it really I look I cobble shit I think if you put both hands on around the door handle If it is a certain height it would be hard to stand up properly. Yeah sure If it was specifically was low How did I did I mention that he was seven foot eight? Little detail I left out is he really that is tall He is not seven foot eight. He is not one of the tallest humans that's ever lived. You say that like I should have known.

Come on that. He currently plays basketball. The like is really. He says quite a lot. He's quite old. No, he was only five when this happened. Do we not mention that? I should have mentioned he's a seven foot eight five year old with a talent for basketball and politics So it's born in 65 What is that making 51 and he's still playing still playing good on him. It's relatively old And he's still playing still playing good on him. It's relatively old

Oh, do we play basketball short but just to be at the top level? No not not to be existing What if he's a ghost So he's handcuffed to a door by this stage was I leave the mood in the in the house I've become quite light-hearted because they all knew they were gonna come out alive or they're all going to die They sort of didn't see it one way or the other. It became a standoff of sorts in the middle of the night with the FLQ throughout a message with all of their demands. Still domestic. This is a paper airplane. I love their demands man. I wanted to get froggin' a pond. I think we're in a pretty strong bargaining

position. I know when you didn't know where we were. You didn't give us the things we asked for, but now that we're surrounded and you know, we're in a lot of trouble. I think you'll see it our way. I think you'll be publishing this in the paper tomorrow. When writing the demands, one of the three kidnappers that was in the room with him said they must sign off with the group slogan, which is, Nuvan crowd. Oh, I really want Jess to guess what this means. This slogan is New Van Crouse No

cabbage Really? It translates as we shall conquer close And the very idea that three guys in a house surrounded by approximately 1000 army soldiers and police officers could conquer cause the group to violently start laughing including James Cross because the tension had built up so much. They laughed. They started laughing. He's like, ha ha ha.

As if we're going to Congo, we're probably all going to die tomorrow. Because it was just. That's a little bit funny. Because it was so tense. You can see where I got cabbage from. It's close. I don't know. Because I think the French word for cabbage is very similar to the French word for the

thing that Dave said. Conquer. Conquer. I agree. And you know what? I only did a tour of a French, so. It actually led to quite a few awkward situations when I was in Paris. Oh, I bet. Sweet Paris, just a couple of years ago, when I stormed.

A best deal? Stormed the best deal, and through a cabbage at the other guy, didn't do anything. Really? And I, because in my head, I'm like, well, that's done. Now, I'll take all this. Thank you.

I've, oh no, I've actually, and it was in that moment as I was trying to explain it. I'm like, now you see what I've done. I've thrown a cabbage at you. And he said, it's all wheels. Yeah, yeah.

It gave it to me. Look, I own a lot of land in Paris. What you should have said was, you should have just said the eternal phrase, a bum-a-mong. And you could have heard anything you, he would have handed you the keys to the I full fucking town What the keys? It's a case. Well the lifts I imagine sure

I turned those on Bobo Right this way sir What did you say follow me? Miss you What was the deal with that whole cabbage thing? I'm a mom. Oh, of course, but yes We love at it.

Charmed, I'm sure. Kidnappers started negotiating eight and after several hours back and forth, the three FLQ members agreed to be exiled to Cuba. Remember, they've had this offer for two months now. The Kidnappers really felt like the ideals of Fidel Castro. Sorry, the kidnap has really liked the ideals of Fidel Castro's in charge of the time, and he granted them asylum. I like the idea that, like, okay, you can go to Cuba.

No. All right. Okay, a few months later. Okay, so we've decided you can still go to Cuba. No. Oh god, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, So that's where the release took place. Because there's all these weird laws about embassies being technically part of... If you go to the, for example, the German embassy in Australia, that's technically German soil. What about the, say, the Dutch embassy? Technically German soil.

I should have said that the Germans own all embassies. Where are all the embassies. Right, good. The verb is all about. Where are all the embassies? Oh, the only one I know is off little colon street, there's the monarch in embassies for Monaco. Oh, that's cool. A lot of them are in Australia, they're in the ACT. It's trying to cover up territory.

So let's say for example, like you're in Melbourne. Yeah. And like what do you have to do if you lose your passport overseas? Do you not have to go to the embassy? If you're in Melbourne. Yeah, you got do you have to do if you lose your passport overseas? Do you not have to go to the embassy? If you're in Melbourne. Yeah, you go to your consulate. Or an embassy that represents your consulate.

For example, if you're in a very dangerous country like, let's say, Somalia. Sure. Australia might not have an embassy, but Canada might. So if you lose your passport there, they have a deal with a Canadian embassy that they'll sort of act as your... So hey buddy. The musk Canadians. Canadians are so lovely.

Canadians very, very lovely. Yeah, because let's say something happened and you needed that sort of support, but you're in Melbourne and your embassies is in Canberra. Then you've got to get there. That's a very far away. Oh, that's probably, you could probably deal with them somehow. Did I imagine? Someone who was here at Astrogeos recently

is looking to go to America and they needed a visa. Now from Brisbane, so they were in Melbourne just so they could go to a meeting to get this visa. You're kidding. No, no shit. So there's one in Sydney wanting Melbourne apparently. Wow. But not in Brisbane.

Well they got maybe do have to go if you want to get your passport. So, that sucks. Yeah, that's same. Don't lose your passport. Yeah. Especially in Somalia. Good call. Good. Very dangerous place. Anyway, so they set up this exhibition site as the Cuban Consulate. The deal was, as soon as they arrived in Cuba, Cross would be released from the Consulate. So, he'd have to stay inside. Until they get to Cuba. The kids in Cuba. The kidnappers were, I think, rightfully.

So extremely suspicious of all of this and suggested that as soon as they got outside the building that'd just be mowed down with machine guns. Sure. Cross pointed out that they could hardly do this if he was among them and they agreed. Oh. So they're like, well, if we walk out the front door

and I'm there, it's gonna be- He's kind of helping him out now. Well, they all buddies or something. I think that he's thinking He just wants to get the best way for me to get out So we everyone keeps cool if I get to this continent then I'm fine. Yeah, okay Fuck them after that. The kidnappers and cross lift the they hide out and drove in very hard speed Driving through the streets quite dangerously apparently the back of the car and the windows were covered in newspaper to prevent snipers taking shots of drivers. Sure.

Because newspapers of course, bulletproof. Of course, exactly. Why could they possibly be in this small car? Where would the driver be? I can't tell. No, how would you know? Well, anyway, I'm clocking off. Snipers, am I right?

Well, easy. I can't live with. Snipers, am I right? Oh, lazy. I can't live with them. I can't live with them. On the dot of their knockoff time, they're out. You won't work a minute over. Clockwatch is there. They bloody are. There, we said it.

Snipers, if you're listening, we'll pull up your socks. How do we keep banging on about how nice Canadian people are? Yes. Is there anything in that? Like, surely a country of multiple million people couldn't just like, how does a country get a reputation as being nice? I've only had good experiences with Canadians, right?

There we go. But surely, there are other- This is not being asked everywhere. Sure, but what's the reputation do we have, do you think? Oh, racist morons. So accurate. Oh, I don't know. I think that I think that's probably depends on where you are. If you go to places like Bali we're just the most

the worst people ever. But you know actually probably even London they don't probably don't like us very much. Yeah I don't know. But then think about all the good things we've given the world. Okay, Vijama, Sam Neal, technically Kiwi. The club, he'll talk to us. Foulette, technically Kiwi, Levington's probably Kiwi. Kiwi's. Kiwis, fruit, or bird.

Yeah, what have we done? Cheese. The Haka, Kiwi, dammit. The New Zealand National, first people to allow women to vote New Zealand Gay marriage nope, but New Zealand and everywhere else A flag with all white stars cup that New Zealand user a little bit red Yeah, we found something

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I've never heard of your country. And I'm in it. Wow. This is a turn of events. Oh, I'm Warviki. I'm crazy. Anyway, do you go on with your silly little report? Crowds and hundreds of police officers in Seoul just

lined the streets so they were driving through. And a god of honor. Nice. That's right. Exactly. A bit of a speck. Minute silence. And when guard of honor. Nice. That's right, exactly. That was a good minute silence. When they got to the building, one of Cross's colleagues was waiting for him. He got out of the car and turned left.

The kidnappers turned right, and he never saw them again. What? They did the deal, Cross stayed in the consulate until midnight, so he waited until they were able to land in Cuba. He was able to call his wife in Switzerland. I wonder how long the flight is. From Canada to Cuba.

Yeah. I would. I would. I would be two and a half hours. Oh, nice good. Four hours. Oh, I'd be like four of five hours. Four of five hours.

I'd say about five hours. Yeah, I agree with what that said. What's the longest flight within Australia? The kids. Sydney to Perth. No, Brisbane to Perth. If you're talking about capital cities. Well, I agree with what that said. What's the longest flight within Australia? The good Sydney to Perth? No, Brisbane to Perth. If you're talking about capital cities. Well, I've got one.

If you want to fly from Quebec City to Havana and Cuba, it will take you five hours and 45 minutes with a stop in Montreal. I doubt they had the stop. They probably didn't have the stop. They probably just went straight there. They paid more for the direct flight. Yeah, it was there a tailwind.

Yeah, headwind or tailwind, yeah. Oh, God, I mean, there's so many more questions going on. We can give or take, but around five hours. It's quite, any questions asked. Was the part running late that day? Who knows? Did he have the runs that day? That's right.

No, cheers. Put it on all the part, I'll be in the jobs. To cheer on. Any first few moments of freedom freedom the first thing James crossed No runs all the run That's something you said He's laughing at our own joke again. Would you like me to poo go on? In his first few moments of freedom, the first thing James Cross did was sit on a chair and

poo. No, it's even, it's quite silly. He sat on a chair and spun it around and turned his head because that's the first time he'd been able to do that in two months. It's James, there are better things you could do, mate. Eat a Mars bar. Wash your toes. Where's the Toe Bath?

I demanded a Toe Bath. That was one of the demands. Did you not read out demands? Sorry, sir, you made 600 of them. We hadn't read all of them. The Toe Bath is number one. Like, mate. You're the kidnap victim. Why are you making demands about Toe Bath? I wanted a Toe Bath.

Get the Toe Bath. We got a Toe Bath. Oh, this has been a horrible miscommunication. My writing is terrible. I did have handcuffs on. You had handcuffs on. It was that bloody pier, but I think what, what, what wasn't it? You always get Toe Bath confused. Food arrived, but unfortunately for

crossing, nobody had thought to provide any drink. This is later in his words. He hadn't had any alcohol in two months and really wanted a drink. Poor thing. Well, you have just been... You probably wanted a stiff drink that whole time. But like, you just got some food brought to you don't fucking suck. Yeah. What about you just had you just lived. Yeah congratulations you're alive. You're really happy. No I'll be eating bring me a drink. Well all right ask nicely. These are the ways. So the all deal however was over. In the end five kidnappers were given asylum in Cuba. They were flown to the island country via a Canadian forces aircraft. So maybe even quicker.

They're on some sort of awesome jet. At the end of December, the three members of the FLQ cell that murdered Pierre Le Port, the other minister, who was still at large, are arrested after being found hiding in a six meter long tunnel in a rural farming community. They would later be charged with kidnapping and the murder of Pierre Le Port. The military are put a pulled out of Quebec on January 5th and life goes back to normal for the city. So they're there for a bit over a month longer just in case. And then we have the later life

of the kidnappers. Eve Langloire was arrested in France later on for possession of illegal firearms. I was sentenced to two years in prison there. James Le Conte. There's always a Le Conte. No, he returned. He returned to Canada in 1979. So they went back and he was arrested when he arrived. He served two years in prison. Did you guys know that Le Contont is French for the Conte? I'm so glad you've got the French dictionary over there. You're so quick at looking through the pages. So, so quick. Another person, Jacques Cosset Trudeau and his wife Louise LeConte.

There's also, there's always a Jacques. Jacques, another LeConte. They also returned to Canada and they only served eight months in prison for the kidnapping. Wow. Ah, the couple split up, but Louise attended a Montreal University and she received a degree in communications

and continued on to get a doctorate. Oh, well good for Louise. And Jacques has been a successful screenwriter and filmmaker, according to research. I feel like they haven't learned their lessons at all. Paul Rose and Francis Semiaud, they were also convicted of the murder of Pierre Leport and they went to his own. I feel like they haven't learned their lessons at all. Paul Rose and Francis Simead, they were also convicted of the murder of Pierre Le Port and they went to jail for 11 years,

but that's the longest sentence that anyone got out of this. Can you imagine? So the couple broke up right? And so then can you imagine like them trying to get back out into the dating scene? And you imagine being on a date with someone, you know, this guy seems great. He's like a screenwriter.

He's really interesting. You went to prison for kidnapping someone? Not a babe. What? He's a ghostwriter. That's bloody P.A. He's a bloody ghost. Oh, but I was surprised that not many, there's a bit, there's seven between eight months and two years for the kidnap. That's insane. That's not very long for a pretty serious. Yeah. Crime. It's not a nice thing to do to someone. But in the end, he's all right. He's all right. Is that any point? Well the other guy up here, Laporte, was murdered. He only went to jail for 11 years. For murder. Not very long.

Oh, my mate, he's all right, isn't he? He's a ghost now. He's a ghost. He's a ghost. He's a ghost. He's a ghost. He could do whatever he likes. No, he ain't casket old you like. You can just go to the office. No, I can't ask it all to him anymore. You know, think about that. John, bloody cover ghost, you can't. You could get out of the boot of that. No, it's not easy. No, unless you're bloody Muhammad Ali, you could hang a cuff lighting.

Or a ghost. A bit never gets quoted, but he did say that. He did, yeah, no, I remember that. James Cross returned to England straight after the kidnapping. gets quoted but he did say that. He did, yeah, no, I remember that. James Cross returned to England straight after the kidnapping. Medi's family back in London. He discovered that very large offers were being made for his story for newspapers and the like.

Some up to 100,000 papers. And he said no, because they would not be right. Well, the foreign office actually said, who he later said, did very little to help him in the whole situation They blocked him from profiting from the crime. Nice So he wasn't allowed to it's weird that you can't profit from someone else's crime. I get why he was the victim for two months Sure, I just want to yeah get get a little Little someone out of it. I'm not a statement. This is also from here's an audio member

Which is pretty much they just interviewed him about the whole situation and he told his story in his own words. Okay, so he's an early podcast. It's just what's just an interview, isn't it? Yeah, but it's an audio memoir. But he had written it out, written out his story and then sort of read it for himself. It was pretty much an audio book. And then they asked him questions. No, I think you're flipping and flipping. No, probably beforehand they asked him questions. No, I think you're flipping and

floppin' probably beforehand they asked him questions and be like hey if you could cover this point this point. Sure okay. Audio memoir. But this is a statement from he said another question which is frequently raised is the Stockholm syndrome where the victim becomes associated or identified with the objectives of the kidnappers. Well that's what I mean when he said when he sort of was like oh my buddies now. Well I can only say that I fell to no such sympathy. I hated the lot of them and would have cheerfully killed them if the opportunity arose.

Okay. So there's the answer to that question, yeah? No, Stockholm. Cheerful. And he, boom. I couldn't find anything saying that he had passed on. So I believe James Cross is still alive at age 95. Wow.

If he is still alive he would be 95 years old. I spoke to him. I spoke to him 95 years old. He's the 7th but 8th NBA player. Bloody hell, let me go. I think I was from on the phone today at 95. Drinking it was him. He had only 95 years could he be.

What did he sound like? He sounded really sophisticated. English? English. Yeah. Do you sound tall? Sounded so tall. Could you hear a radio crying up a helmet in the background? I could.

He was actually... Oh, what's he... No, I thought it was always special. I thought the radio's liked it. Oh man. I'm making a alarm. Oh no, no, no, no. Well, I can't end on that because that was going to be the end. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, And then you want to invent it though. So you can fuck your favorite song. I think we should just start sticky taping flesh lives

to all kinds of appliances. A blender. If I'm right, amazing. Oh, OK. Mark, who waived? No. It's potentially custom-driven. Yeah, now that we've got to, I think we should draw some lines.

But otherwise, I think it's a pretty good idea. What year can you play on the road? It'd be talk back radio, right? Oh, yeah, Neil Mitchell. And I don't like stuff. Oh, yeah, you don't Complaining what else is an issue in society What happened to us? I know that one the whole episode. Yeah, I kept talking about I felt weird on Or like the last month of episodes, I felt weird and I'm sorry everybody.

No, but people have said they like this. We've got some personal issues, Matt. Yes. Yes, clearly I do. I'm crying, I felt, we can't have to wait. People keep tweeting in that they love it. We love them and Matt's fucking mental. Help me help myself, people.

Yeah, genuinely, feel like I've got some issues I know you're right buddy I could I will say so we've taken a very silly take on the topic but when I was researching it listen to a there's a podcast oh no from BBC witness and they've what done it respectfully from the 1990s if you want to listen to you can we can hear they've taken a lot of the audio memoirs So you can hear and speaking these own words if you would prefer a more Educational style. I will tell you they mentioned a sexual clock ratios a total of zero time So it's very boring. Yeah, take that baby see your dickheads. Don't you think that's a bit weird like why would like something so big in a story like It's very strange. It's they call themselves journalists that isn't journalism

You've done a journalism degree. What's number one rule? Fucking radios. Number two rule number two rule mention the fucking radio And pretty much just three four and five are pretty much just underlining those rules. I cannot stress enough see above Yeah, see above. And then the last one's just an instruction on how to get that nasally presented voice, that's all. Yeah, nasally voice, channel seven news. Very good.

I'm Jess Perkins in Baghdad. You know, you always got to be somewhere dramatic. It's never, I'm Jess Perkins. Sydney, you know. Yeah, and I was Perkins the Bahamas. What a terrible thing it is that Sydney never has any war or conflict. What a terrible thing that is. No, one day Sydney, one day. Big dreams, chin up, kid. You'll be right. So that is the end of the show. Thank you very much for Carly, who we believe is Canadian Carly at Canadian Gmail.com slash CA for suggesting the topic if you two want to suggest a topic

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You were saying a little while ago that you love the Sims. Does it feel like a weird version of the Sims you've created these people? Yeah, I've created you. You exist because of me. And now I'm gonna lock you in a room with only a fireplace. And just say, what happened? I'm gonna lock you in a room with only a fire And just see what happens. I'm gonna put you in a pool and you tie it and take away the letter How long can you swim? Oh, that's real stuff. Yeah

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I guess some podcasts are obviously quite popular. Have you got some friends download the app on their phone? Check it out, Bliperson. And by that time, they'll be bloody hooked. We are in addictive substance banned in many countries. Mexico. Turkmenistan. Yeah, we're definitely banned there. We better not have any plans to get diverted to Turkmenistan. Yeah, no good point. And of course getting on the hashtag just watch me. And if you're a Canadian listener, just to twit in, is that a famous story?

Or are there people in the system? Damn must have been, that feels like that must have been huge news. I reckon I'd still have a national holiday for it. Oh, that's indeed. Be crust, crust, a, crust, a, crust. I don't think that's a thing. Crust, something crust. Crossont.

Look, crust was named after him. Oh, popular Canadian pastime. I'm sure we have listeners incross was named after him. Look-cross. Popular Canadian pastime. I'm sure we have listeners in Canada, so you'll let us know if you'd heard that story. And also, let us know what you think of Australians. And also, what you think about us individually as people. And also, let us know what you think of the Calgary Stampede. And also...

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