Two In The Think Tank - 450 - The East Coast West Coast Hip Hop Rivalry, Part Two

Episode Date: June 5, 2024

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Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Warnocky and as always, I'm here with Jess Perkins and Matt Stewart. I'm the Matt Stewart. And? I'm also the Matt Stewart. Oh my god, not this again. Did you double book Matt Stewart's this week? It's embarrassing.

There's so many out there. It's a very common name. Yeah, it's a bit too vanilla. We're really good to be here though, aren't we, Matt? We're good to be here, Matt. Dave, do you want to explain how the show works to me and Matt? Oh, yeah. Well, for the 450th time. Happy 450, everyone.

Happy 450. I can't believe it's only 50 weeks since we did the big 400th episode and Jess DJed. Very cool. That was really fun. That was so much fun. And we've got to start planning the 500th episode, just putting that out there now. Jesus Christ. So I can remember to do that.

Yeah. I'm thinking something big. What are you thinking? Like from a hot air balloon. Oh, OK. Oh, then we skydive. OK. thinking something big. What are you thinking? Skydiving. Like from a hot air balloon. Oh, okay. Oh, then we skydive. Okay.

Okay, interesting. Or from Antarctica or something. International waters. Sure. Yeah, okay. One of those is achievable. Maybe like a live just in front of an audience somewhere. In international waters?

I guess. Okay. Anyway. The audience of penguins. If you've got any ideas, let us know. Only 50 weeks away. But for now, let me tell you the show. What we do here is we take it in terms of report on a topic often suggested to us

by one of the listeners. We go away to a bit of a research, bring it back in the form of a report. Now we usually start with a question. And, uh, this is actually part two from following on exactly from last week's episode. I'd still like a question. Okay. Uh, my question is how are you today?

That's a trick question. I'm the same a question. Okay. Uh, my question is, how are you today? That's a trick question. I'm the same every day. Bad. To the bone. And Matt, you can steal this one. Uh, good. Thank you. How are you?

Being, that's what I wanted to hear. What? I never want the truth. The one I asked that question. You wanted a polite answer. Exactly. Good thanks. The one that I'd give, which is good.

Can I just get a skinny latte? That's usually how it goes. Yeah. Yeah, good. Thanks. How are you? Anyway. When you're ordering coffee.

Actually, I'm having a shocker. Yeah. And they're like, oh my God. Oh, God. Just polite. It's more of a extended hello. Anyway, so do you remember what last week's episode was? That's a question.

That's it. See, that would be a good question because typically the answer would be no for me. Yeah. But. But. Pulling the curtain back a little, we just recorded it. That's it. See, that would be a good question because typically the answer would be no for me. Yeah. But. But. Pulling the curtain back a little. We just recorded it. Recorded it. Like an hour ago. Just before lunch. So. Don't pull the curtain back.

We recorded it one week ago, exactly. This is going out live into your feed. Of course it is. That's exactly how it works. Okay. Do you remember what it was about? What? The last week's episode. No. Okay. Our answer is no. Great curtain. Well, I'm really pulled back. Remember what it was about? What? The last week's episode. OK, our answer is no.

Greg Curtin. Well, I'm really pulled back. We were talking about the deadly East Coast, West Coast hip hop rivalry of the 1990s. Yes, you introduced a lot of the a lot of big characters. Suge Knight. Yep. Yes. Biggie Smalls. Tupac. So if you haven't listened to that. Tupac's mom.

Tupac's mom was in there too. Afini. Go back and listen to that. Get sort of the introduction to all of these characters. Honestly, this could be a standalone episode because I'm going to do what I love to do and that is previously on Dougal On. I used to love a Previously On, but now I don't like him as much because it usually kind of spoils what's going to happen on this episode.

Yeah, but I'm a dummy and I'm like, oh, eight weeks ago I wouldn't remember that that person wrote down the password in that notebook. So that clearly was important. Yeah, true. But also now we're binging stuff. So it's like, I just watched it. Oh yeah. Skip, skip, skip.

I haven't forgotten. We can skip if you are binging, but previously on Do Go On, we detailed the rise of Tupac Shakur on the west coast of America and his East Coast counterpart, the notorious BRG, aka Biggie Smalls. The two started out as friends, but after Tupac was shot five times in a New York City recording studio and blamed the East Coast crew, diss tracks were written. People were booed at awards ceremonies. Snoop couldn't believe it. And tensions were riding high. So that's where we're up to.

Okay. By mid 1995, the East Coast West Coast hip hop rivalry dominated the genre and the media coverage around it. That's actually a big part of the story. On the East Coast, the Notorious B.I.G. was working on his follow up album to his bestselling debut, Ready to Die, whilst West Coast rapper Tupac also found himself on the East Coast in prison in New York after being convicted of sexual abuse. Music-wise, he had released his third album, Me Against the World, which was a hit, topping the Billboard album charts, but he was still in desperate need of money for legal fees. I also read that he was not great at hanging on to the money that he earned, even when he sold like a million records. Vanity Fair writes that he bought his dream car, a Mercedes 300, which was totaled in 24 hours. Whoa.

So he went back and bought another one the next day. And when someone complimented the car, he gave them the keys and said, you can have it. So now he's in money trouble. Oops. Go find that person you gave a car to. Yeah, can I have that car back? Vanity Fair also contends that a lot of his money was spent supporting an ever-enlarging circle of relatives, nearly 40 of them in total.

So he needed money for legal fees, for his own lifestyle, and to support that become to rely on him. Because, you know, he's made lots of money. Yeah. And he said, I can help you out. And now, you know, he's running out of money. Because he really struggled growing up. Absolutely. So I think it would probably would be hard for him to say no to his relatives, because he knows that they struggled just like he did. Yeah. And did you say that Big E's album was called Ready to Die?

That was the first album, yeah. Yeah, I guess that's comforting. Yeah. He was ready. He was ready. Well, I don't know where this episode's going, but just in case anything happens. Just in case he dies one day. One day, yeah. We hope not. Suge Knight, the head of the LA-based Death Row Records, visited Tupac in prison and offered to pay his $1.3 million bail

whilst he appealed his conviction on the proviso that he sign with Death Row Records. The rapper apparently, he brought in paperwork and everything and said, OK, I can help you out. We have to sign your name here. You work for me. I'll look after you. He agreed and was released in October 1995. Knight sent a limo to pick Tupac up from prison. Which is... That's, yeah. Walking out of prison into a limo is, you know, quite the thing to see. Before this, Tupac had

been solely on Interscope Records, which had a deal with Death Row. I think Interscope was sort of the distributor for Death Row. But now for the first time, as the coastal rivalry was heating up, he was officially in the Death Row stable. Battle lines had well and truly been drawn. So let's do a quick recap on who's on each side of the feud. On the West Coast, we have LA based Death Row Records, co-owned and publicly fronted by Suge Knight, along with, like I said, Tupac, Snoop Dogg, and also Dr. Dre, who soon left to start his own label, but he had been instrumental in the Death Row and West Coast sound. Very influential.

He loves sound. He loves sound. That's why I got into headphones. Mmm. Just wanted to put that sound right near your ears. Yeah. Cut out the middleman. Yeah. He before that he had someone who'd whisper it to you.

He'd whisper to them and they'd whisper to you. Yeah. Yeah. And they actually had their like appearance fee was insane. It was like, I'm just going to make some head fun. Yeah. The prototype was actually whispers by Dre and it would be Dre. You'd pay Dre. Yeah. He'd come around your place. Yeah. You say, oh, I want to hear, can you play some Bruce Springsteen?

Gifts from a Rose. Gifts from a Rose. Da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da expensive. Yeah. Well, it would be, yeah. Has he tried to expand? Yeah. He had to have like, you know, other Drays. They weren't all doctors, like depending on how much budget you had. Oh my God. So you had a Mr. Dre. Yeah. Mr. Dre, which is confusing because sometimes I was surgeons. You had to pay a premium for Mr. Dre. Master J is pretty cheap. Yeah.

Master Dre as well. Master J, mixed master. Master J was the real ripoff brand. Yeah. You go to school. Master J. Master J. Mixed Master. Master J was the real ripoff friend. Yeah. You go to school with him. You get different. You go to school and people say, oh, who's that with you? You'd say, oh no, that's, that's, that's Whispers by Dre. They say that.

No, no, no. That's Master J. That is not Whispers by Dre. That man is Master J. That's not Dr. Dre. Yeah. And they'd be like, oh no, look. And he was wearing a Dr. Dre mask. Very embarrassing.

Yeah. So I'm glad. Anyway, I'm glad they figured out the technology to get the muffs instead. Not muffs, are they? Headphones. Headphones. Thank you. He probably does muffs too. Sure. Muffs by Dre. So that's the West Coast. Then over on the East Coast, we have Bad Boy Records, which is so funny to me. Owned and fronted by Sean Puffy Coombs with artist Biggie, singer Faith Evans, who also married Biggie, as well as the Biggie founded Junior Mafia.

And that included Lil Kim and Lil Cease. Great. Which I kept accidentally writing Lil Caesar. And then I realized that that's an American chain of some description, I believe. Yes. So, I don't know if that was a tribute to them or just completely separate. But that's East Coast versus West Coast. Mm hmm. As well as being quite an astute businessman, Death Rose Suge Knight had a fearsome reputation in the hip hop community and had active associations with real gang members. community and had active associations with real gang members.

A prosecutor once described him as a, quote, one man crime wave after his 1992 conviction of pistol whipping to rappers. Tupac described him to, he said, before people wasn't scared of me. Now I get respect because motherfuckers is scared shitless of Shook. Whoa. So people were really, really scared of him. And that's why you guys keep me around. We've got no respect before you were here.

No one would dare say something to me on the street now. I'll kill him. It's almost there was like there's all these stories about Shug doing things and that he always denies. But one of them, and I think the Vanity Fair article that I'll link to is it's like almost a scene from a movie. Like he's supposed to be this, he's a record executive, right?

People would go in and do proper deals in his office. Yeah. So, so he's supposed to be this, he's a record, he's a record executive. So he like works in an office. And the story is that one day someone went in to his office as he was like cleaning blood off the floor. And they were like, what happened? He said, oh, just a business dispute. Why not say that's, which is like a scene from a movie.

What the fuck? So, but he denies it happened. All the things in the Vanity Fair article. I spilled a coffee. I spilled a coffee of blood. Jeez. Ice Cube, who was a West Coast rapper, formerly of NWA, but wasn't on the label, described Shug and Death Row as pushing it to its limits when it comes to

affiliation with real gang banging. They're associated with some really violent groups and this turned out to be a recipe for things getting out of hand very quickly. On the other hand, 2Pac had a very soft side, according to that same Vanity Fair article, even as he was glorifying an outlaw lifestyle for death row. Tupac was financing an at-risk youth center, bankrolling South Central sports teams and setting up a telephone helpline for young people with problems. And giving away a car.

Giving away a car? Mm-hmm. He was, he was Oprah. You've got a car! And then he had to stop. Yeah. So I've only got one car. Yeah.

Fuck. Still pretty cool, I guess. How I've only got one car. Yeah. Fuck. Still pretty cool, I guess. Yeah. Shit. I only have this single car. I should go buy another car. When the parents of a dying fan wrote to him and said his dying dream, the child was to meet the rapper.

Tupac flew to his bedside and asked for no press. When the boy died, he renamed his music publishing company after him, calling it Joshua's Dream. Oh. So yeah. A complicated man, absolutely. As soon as he was released from prison, Tupac went to work at once recording 14 songs within six days of his release. But when he got out of jail, he was pissed, continually publicly dissing the East Coast

rappers for being fake and weak. Remember, he thinks that they organized him being shot. He dissed them on stage and bad mouthed them in interviews with some really aggressive language and a lot of people have since said that he kind of momentarily seemed to lose his mind a little bit. There's a video of him giving an interview to MTV in New York and he's standing there surrounded by his crew with Suge Knight and the other death row guys and he goes sort of ranting

at the interviewer, we'll overthrow the government you all got right now, which is bad boy and nasty and all that bullshit. And we will bring a new government here that will feed every person in New York. And the stunned interviewer as to park is walking away just goes, all right, cool man. He does not just ask what you go to breakfast. Okay. Oh, it's show. He does not just ask what you go to breakfast. OK. Oats. Should I just write down oats? Yeah. Coffee.

So you drink coffee? You don't drink coffee. OK. Orange juice. Oats and orange juice. OK. I'll write that down. As a journalist, I know how they think. OK. You get it. Rule 101 of interviewing breakfast. Rule two, lunch. Okay. Rule three, you think dinner. No. Afternoon tea. Okay. Little snack. It's a long break between lunch and dinner. Some of us need a little snack in there. Okay. Rule number

four, dinner. Okay. Rule number five, dessert. Rule number six, get into somebody's philosophy on life. If this time. But most importantly, what did you have for breakfast? Let us know in the comments what you had for breakfast. I had a little bit of cereal. That's nice. I had a smashed avo.

And Matt? A porridge with raspberries. Wow. High fly nice. I had a smashed elbow. And then. A porridge with raspberries. Oh, wow. High flyer. Yum, yum, yum. Just frozen raspberries. Oh, OK. So the Fraser. Medium, medium flies. Just just loose in the Fraser.

You just put it get a fistful from the Fraser. No, they're in a packet. OK, high flyer. We're back up. OK. Up in the blue sky. Somebody's got packet money. All my fruits just loose around the house. One of my second favorite rappers, Packet Money. So. Dave Shrugged, I don't know.

I liked it. Oh, thank you. Sometimes you just say stuff. So, um, Doopah. Imagine if you took out all those things where we just say stuff. These shows would be so short. So short and boring. But what a theme song.

And you know, all those people that hate the show would love it. Yeah, yeah. No. Their biggest problem is when we say things. It really is. That's the consistent feedback. They love the idea of the show that they have before they listen. Yeah, they love reading the topic and then going, oh, that could be interesting.

Oh no, they talked about it though. Yeah, they suck. Nah, we're all right. We're doing all right. 450, baby. So, 2buck, he's sort of he's quite angry. Yeah. Coming out of prison. 14 songs in six days.

That's two a day and then some. Yeah, and they're probably not that good though. Probably a couple of days where you did three or maybe one day you did like six and then the others were slow. I don't know. But it's impressive. Yeah. Is that on the record, Dave? Do we know what the split was of songs to days or? Yeah. 13 on day one. Shit.

And then they said, dude. Take four days off. The last 10 were terrible. You were just saying things in the room. I'm looking around the room. I'm wearing headphones. Yeah, I had breakfast this morning. Yeah.

Ever like, fuck. Oh, and the journalist pokes it in. Yes. Please go on. Well, I've got you. Rule number two. What'd you have for lunch? Never interrupt a flow.

I was about to say what colour the carpet was. Now I'm done for the day. Shock G, who was the lead vocalist of the group Digital Underground that had worked with Tupac in his early days. I believed they appeared with him in that movie that we watched the trailer of since last week of the Chevy Chase movie that was Tupac's debut and it looked so bad. And sometimes the editing of trailers doesn't do a movie much justice, but I think... It showed the whole movie. And I think the editors did the best they possibly could with an absolute pile of trash,

steaming trash. It was so bad. It looked horrendous. Anyway, Shock G, who we're seeing that movie... Nothing But Trouble is the name of the movie. Nothing But Trouble, who was seeing that movie. Nothing but trouble was the name of the movie. Nothing but trouble, who was in that. And he'd worked with Tupac for a long time and helped him break through. He told the Netflix documentary series Evolution of Hip Hop.

It has a couple of episodes dedicated to this period of hip hop history. He said that seeing Tupac's new aggression and the way he spoke in interviews and rapped on new songs, he felt, quote, I didn't recognise my friend Tupac Shakur. I didn't know him no more. He's a monster now. Wow. And then the show itself in the video says that in a few years, Tupac had transformed from activist to agitator. What? And there was now a full grown beef between West Coast and East Coast,

and it was only going to grow in animosity and violence. So it seems like maybe beforehand it was only going to grow in animosity and violence. So it seems like maybe beforehand it was kind of like a, not for show, but it was sort of half-hearted or like. Yeah, not, yeah. But like, you know, rappers do diss tracks. Yeah. A fair, a fair bit. Yeah. But he took them to the next level.

Yeah. And they were, and then also in the interviews, it was like really attacking. And it's like, well, dude, people are like, what's going on, man? Yeah. OK. But I suppose from his perspective, he's been shot five times. Yep. Been in prison, stewing, thinking that those guys set him up. So he's he's pissed. Yeah. And multiple and multiple diss tracks were written on each side.

To Parker insulted or threatened Biggie, bad boy and its affiliates on several tracks. Famously on the track Hit Em Up, he absolutely goes for them with an absolutely savage song. Some people say it's like the craziest diss track ever. He names Biggie and a bunch of others like Lil Kim, Lil Cease, Puffy, Junior Mafia. He says he hooked up with Biggie's wife Faith Hill and some of the lyrics where he takes aim at bad boy records include, Now, when I came out, I told you it was just about Biggie.

Then everybody had to open their mouth with a motherfucking opinion. Well, this is how we gone do this. Fuck Mobb Deep, who are a duo. Fuck Biggie. Fuck Bad Boy as a staff. Wow. Record label and as a motherfucking crew. And if you want to be down with bad boy, then fuck you too. He's going after the staff. Glad he finished with a rhyme because Jesus.

For a long time there, I was like, come on, mate. Maybe take it off to biggie and take some fucking poetry classes or something. Am I right? I know Rhymezone.com wasn't around back then, but jeez. But jeez, la ways. See, I just rhymed. It'smezone.com wasn't around back then, but jeez. But jeez, Lawayse. Come on. See, I just rhymed. It's that easy.

It's that easy. Fuck, come on. But when you went out- He's going after the crew like, oh, just make coffee. Exactly. Lorraine's just the receptionist. Yeah. You going after her?

Fuck Lorraine. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. And she's been nothing but a delight. Lorraine, let the rain, let the pain rain, something like that. You could have used that. Oh my goodness. Yeah, I don't know if you rhymed. But it's a different type of rain, let the rain, the pain rain, something like that. He could have used that. Oh, you're right. Yeah. I don't know if you're right. But it's a different type of rain. Okay. One's la and the other one's pain rain. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's true. Yeah. That's actually awesome. Thank you so much. Sorry. I don't know. I just was in a negative mind frame.

That was fucking the best. I'm actually on rhymehymesone.com now and it does work. Holy shit. That's good. He's very good. That's Phil. That's actually made me feel amped. Pain rain. Lorraine.

Pain rain. That's sick. Thank you for your support. Yeah, he's really- he's dancing to a rhyme you made several minutes ago. He's just- like he's sort of just bobbing and his tongue is sticking out and he's just really getting into it. That's just how Matt dances. He's having a good time. His mallet's like pain writing on his shoulders that is popping up and down.

Fuck, that's good stuff. That's nice. I do the rhymes, you do the dances. No, I'm just here. No, no, you do the disses. I'm your roadie slash dancer, which you talked about last week. Yeah.

The two plugs started out that way. Wow, you're a great rapper. You can really carry shit. But it worked out for him. So there were lots of diss tracks back and forth, and this soon translated into violence in the real world. Snoop Dogg's trailer was shot up during the filming of a video clip. Suge Knight and Puff Daddy attended, remember they're enemies, a birthday party for musician

Jermaine Dupree at Platinum House Club in Atlanta. Conflict between the two groups spilled outside the club, and Big Jake Robles, a close friend of Knight's and a Death Row blood, being the gang affiliate, was fatally shot as he was getting into a limousine. Suge Knight came out and publicly blamed Puff Daddy for the fatal shooting. Wow. Then on March 29, 1996, employees of Bad Boy Records and Death Row Records confronted each other face to face after the Soul Train Awards

in Los Angeles and a gun was pulled. Are you imagining like in a musical where two gangs. Low click at each other. Yeah. Oh yeah. I'm imagining some low clicking. Yeah. Put those, put those clicks down.

Like the Michael Jackson bad film clip sort of thing. And I'm picturing like a tst tst t dance moves at each other. It's a dance off. Some cheer and yeah, yeah, that's what I'm picturing dance off. I didn't have to explain. There's a lot of dance offs and then I was describing scene by scene a dance off and I could have just said dance off. Everybody knows what that is. We go.

It's basically a dance off and then someone just pulls a gun and just fires it into the air a few times. They don't bring a gun to a dance fight. No, never bring it. Your weapon should be your dance. Your, your, your moves. Yeah, yeah. Let your body be the weapon.

Yeah. If you're shooting from the hip, it should just be your hips. Yeah. Pew, pew. Yeah. Woo. Pew, pew, pew. Whoa, Matty, you haven't warmed up.

I don't be careful with those things. Yeah. Oh. He's pulled a muscle. He's shot himself in the hip. Oh. Yeah. It's OK. Walk it off the hip. Oh, yeah. It's okay.

Walk it off. Oh, no. He spilled the muscle. I popped the hip. Oh, no. At your age, that's that might be we might have to put you down. Yeah. You're a racehorse.

Yeah. Now is when you pull out the gun. Yeah, that's right. What's the what was the famous there's like a musical or something where it's like two teams. Westside story. Who is it Dave? Who are the two teams?

Jets. Jets and the, fuck people are yelling at their iPhones. Was it Jets and Bad Boy Records? It was Jets and Bad Boy Records. Crips and Jets. It's something. Is it Westside story? Westside story.

Is it two football teams? Jets versus Sharks. Sharks. There you go. We it two football teams? Jets versus Sharks. Sharks. There you go. Cronulla Sharks versus the New York Jets. Two rival teenage gangs. Cronulla versus New York Jets. That's fun.

That is fun. East versus East. Oh yeah. I don't know where Cronulla is in Sydney, but I mean just in Ace of Australia. Yeah. Anyway, what the fuck are we talking about? What's going on? We're talking about Crenola, it's in the Shire.

Now, so violence is just ramping up. Someone has been murdered. People are pulling guns on each other at music award ceremonies. It's ridiculous. Rapper Xzibit, best known to me as the host of Pimp My Ride. Ah, yes. But before that, a rapper who had moved to LA in his teens said that the whole feud was media driven because it sold magazines.

Each side of the rivalry was put on the cover of industry magazines in an already bravado filled genre. This did nothing to calm down the situation. No one wanted to back down. Yeah. I mean, look at the power of magazines today. It makes sense. Yeah. A lot of blood. Magazines got a lot of blood on its hands. Yeah, yeah, yeah. the power of magazines today. It makes sense. Yeah. A lot of blood. Magazines got a lot of blood on its hands. Yeah.

But they don't care. They're just raking in the millions every day. Those magazines. It's crazy. It's wild. Yeah. I mean, I buy 10 a day. I can't keep up. I'm hooked on magazines.

That's all I can I can carry. Hey, Dave, could you do something as a rapper? Could you do something with the fact that, you know, you've got magazines for guns and also selling magazines, but also pimp your odd mag wheels? Can you maybe do a verse around? That's actually pretty good. You can say mags for three different things. Yeah, yeah.

I'm on the cover of a mag, holding my mag, my Cadillac's got mags. Everyone would think I'm mad. Yeah. Yeah, that's great. Yeah. I'm thinking straight. I'm thinking straight. This still rides itself. Yeah, I think it's such a great. I saw there was a clip of Eminem being told, you can't, you can't rhyme anything with some words like orange.

He said you can rhyme anything with anything. He's like orange, boring for Norange Norange, collorange, storage. But no, he just started like manipulating words. So they sort of rhyme. I'm like, oh yeah, that, that, what Dave wrote out before. It probably was like, if you heard it, it would make- It sounds good. Like, you know, you just saw about their flow or whatever, but- But when you're just, you're reading it out. You're reading it, you're like, this sounds ridiculous. I know. Look, I never said that.

You thought it, you thought it. Yeah, but you. But never said it. Yeah, but you thought it. Orange, Mr. Orange, Mr. Monorange, my teacher in high school. You know exactly. Yeah.

You've seen that clip. People say, who? And then you just lie and say that they taught you year seven geography or something. Yeah. Mr. Monorange. Mr. Monorange. It's French. OK. You uncultured pig. Exactly.

So it's getting out of hand. Mm. By mid 1996, Tupac had started dating Kadada Jones, daughter of music producer Quincy Jones and actress Piggy Lipton. Sister of Rashida Jones. Her older sister, you're right. He asked her to travel to Las Vegas with him on September the 7th, where Mike Tyson was due to fight Bruce Seldon at the MGM Grand. He told her he didn't want to go, but he promised Suge Knight that he'd go with him.

He said that he'd go to the fight and then meet her at a party Suge was having afterwards at a club that he owned downtown. That's the kind of, you know, Shug's got a lot of investments going at the moment. To quote from Vanity Fair, Kadada asked him, what do you want me to pack? Knowing his fussiness about clothes. Pack only shrugged. She reached for the bulletproof vest he'd taken to wearing. No, he said, it'll be too hot.

Oh. Doesn't want to wear a bulletproof vest he'd taken to wearing. No, he said, it'll be too hot. Oh, doesn't want to wear a bulletproof vest in Las Vegas. OK, he then went to the fight with Suge. It was for the WBA Heavyweight Championship and Mike Tyson knocked out his opponent, Bruce Seldon, in the first round in one of the shortest Heavyweight Championship fights in boxing history, lasting just one minute and 49 seconds. Wow. Hey, that's not a bad amount of time. No.

That's age. That's actually quite a lot of time. If you know what you're doing, that's actually, that's plenty. That's plenty of time. Yeah. That's quite a satisfying time. I think Selden did great, actually. Everyone's enjoyed themselves at that one minute 40.

Look, I feel like I've got my money's worth. Yeah. I'm leaving satisfied. Last 30 seconds. How good is this? Take them or leave them. Yeah, exactly. You know've got my money's worth. Yeah. I'm leaving satisfied. Last 30 seconds. How good is this? Take them or leave them. Yeah, exactly. Take them or leave them.

Yeah. Whatever. That's like sometimes you get you get into that third minute. You're like, all right, wrap it up. Let's wrap this up. And if you go 12 rounds, that's torture. Oh my God. Who's doing that this time?

No one. 12 rounds. Who's got the time? Yeah. What can I do? I've got a job to do mate. The kids will be back soon. Can't keep fighting all night. The kids will be back soon.

Where are the kids? In the car park. Playing at the MGM group. Bruce Eldon was quite embarrassed and he retired after the fight. And he did come back later, but he didn't do as well. It was also Mike Tyson's final heavyweight title winning match ever. Anyway, that's the boxing match. I've never, I don't remember hearing that guy's name before, so I'm not surprised it wasn't an epic

battle. I didn't know either. Never heard of him. That's the fight in the ring. There was also a fight after that. Shakur and Shugknight had ties to the Mob Piru Bloods, a street gang from LA that often battle for territory with rival gang, the Crips. In July 1996, a couple of months before the heavyweight fight, members of the Southside Compton Crips, including a guy called Orlando Anderson, attempted to rob Trey Lane in a footlocker in Lakewood, California. That's a shoe shop. Yeah, shoe shop.

It's so weird to rob someone in a shoe shop. Footlocker. Yeah. I think that if you're going to rob someone somewhere. That'd never matter. Foot eye can't fit. Yeah. But hang on. They're such good. Foot I can't fit. Yeah, but hang on.

They're such good. This like shoes can be very expensive. Mm hmm. Was this on a day where they were, you know, there was some new release? I know they robbed a man from another gang in the footlocker. I don't think they even stole stock. No, but I imagine he just purchased a limited edition. He got the last one. One of a kind.

And they were there. They said, oh, we'd also like a pair, sir. Yeah. Please. I'm also a limited edition. He got the last one. One of a kind. And they were there. They said, oh, we'd also like a pair, sir. Yeah. Please. I'm also a size 11. And they said, oh, 11. We just sold the last pair to this guy from your enemy gang. Oh, well, I normally don't like to do this, but I'm going to rob you, sir.

Is that what happened? Is that what happened? I actually think it is kind of what happened. Jets versus Cronulla Sharks. And you're right that Trey was a member of a rival gang, the Mob Peru gang, an associate of Death Row Records, co-founder Shug Knight. Oh no. Trey Lane, who's a guy that was robbed, was at the fight with Tupac and Shug and their whole crew.

And according to Fox 5 Vegas, after the fight, Trey Lane spotted Orlando Anderson, the man that had attempted to rob him, inside the hotel near a bank of elevators. And he pointed out to Tupac, that guy tried to rob me a few months ago. Shakur then asked Anderson if he was, quote, from the south and punched him in the face, knocking him to the ground. Members of Shakur and Knights Entourage him in the face, knocking him to the ground. Members of Shakur and Knights Entourage assisted in the assault, which was captured on MGM Grand video surveillance and security guards broke up the brawl.

But they basically jumped this guy and beat the shit out of him. Tupac then went back to his hotel where he told his girlfriend, Kadada, about the brawl and he changed into some new clothes and left again saying he'd see her at the club. He then went to Shug's mansion. Of course, he's got a Vegas mansion as well. Of course. Which apparently was next door to Mike Tyson's Vegas mansion. Of course. I know you love, I think last week you were talking about how much you loved the name Warren G, but I think Shug Knight might be my favourite.

It's really good, isn't it? It's very good. I don't know why, but it's just so, Shug is awesome, but Knight, you know, sometimes it's just a solid surname can back up a ritzy first name. Agreed. Shug not. Like Shug Jones would be cool too.

Yeah. You know, yeah, you're absolutely right. How is Shug spelled? It's S-U-G-E. Yeah, it's like sugar. Yeah, I think that maybe it's because when he was younger, he that was his nickname because he was sweet or something. Yeah.

And now? Story's sweet. His first name is actually Marion. Okay. Yeah. See, that's why that His first name is actually Marion. What gay. Yeah, see, that's why that sometimes that's why a nickname is necessary. Marion Knight. Oh my God, actually. I mean, that sounds like a, you know, a Hollywood heartthrob or something. Sounds like a Hollywood darling.

Beautiful name for a boy or girl, Hollywood. So they went to Sjögg's mansion, they partied for a bit and then they headed to his club. Shug got into the driver's seat of his black BMW 750 and Tupac got into the passenger seat. Okay, yep, that makes sense that he didn't also get into the driver's seat. He's padding now. Yeah. He could have just made this all one episode, but now he's just padding. Yeah. And they put on their seatbelts one at a time,

involving stretching their right hand across their body. That's not fair, Jess. Maybe they were going to drive it like kids go down a water slide, you know? One. What, two parkas going to be on the pedals? Yeah. Going down in a big train down the water slide. Essentially like sitting at each other's laps.

Yeah, but just ahead of the lap. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just in front of them. Yeah, just in front of them. But your legs outstretched outside of them. Hands around the tummy. That's true. They could have been driving. Could have been. So I'm glad they qualified. That's how I was picturing till he qualified. No, no. Let me get this out. They could have been driving like kids go down a water slide. That is true. That is undeniably true.

It could have happened. So I appreciate that Dave actually took the time. I'm explaining where everyone sits in the car because it is actually a little bit important. Well, that's how we drive. Yeah. When we go places. Unfortunately, he didn't do it. Dave's in the middle. We obviously don't, he doesn't have to do it.

Anybody's involved. I don't know the pedals, Jess steers. She's the arms on the legs. Dave's the torso, which doesn't actually have a lot to do in driving. Yeah. Oh great, we'll try and sit down without your torso. Good luck. Okay.

Fucking hell. Okay, it's important where they're sitting. And so just to clarify, 2Pack is driving. I'm just being... Good girl's gonna say that's not true. I'm just being a little bit cheeky. It's the other way around. Shug is in the driver's seat of his car.

They've been partying a long time. I really hope Shug has not been drinking. Oh, I'm sure Shug's been responsible. Yeah, yeah. Pack's in the passenger seat. Yeah. Shakur's bodyguard, Frank Alexander, later said that he was about to ride along in Knight's car, but Shakur asked him to drive a different car instead in case they needed multiple vehicles

later to return to their hotel. With lots of friends. Exactly. So they're being tailed by bodyguards, but they didn't have any with them in their car. Okay. That seems like that would be fine. Oops. I can't say that that could end badly.

Exactly. Also, he's not wearing the bulletproof vest. Yeah, because it's too hot. Vegas is hot. It's in the desert, man. It's hot there. Hmm. You're right. Shortly after 11pm, Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department Bike Patrol officers stopped the BMW for playing music too loudly and failing to have a license plate. In Las Vegas. Okay, the license plate. Sure. Yep. Playing music too loudly. How loud does a car

stereo go? I think these guys have like extra speakers installed. When I was there last year, like there were so many cars just doing blocks of the strip, just blasting like you're hearing it from inside the buildings basically, like, well you don't know inside them, but on the beer gardens. Like, I can't imagine how loud it would be. The whole city is loud. Isn't that the point of it? Yeah. It's like, oh, you turn it down.

This is Las Vegas. Okay. Have a bit of decorum. It's night time. Okay. People are trying to... Get their eight hours. Get their eight hours.

Or play poker and they need to concentrate. OK. OK. Bit of shush, please. Yeah. Do you say a bit of sugar? That's me. No, no, I didn't. If you turned down the music, you'd hear that I said shush. Shush. Sorry, are you talking to me? No. So they were pulled over.

Mm hmm. No, that's just being too noisy. Being too noisy. Also, I can't say for certain, but possibly racism plays a part of this. Oh, yeah. I reckon that was probably a part of it, yes. They got pulled over for racism? Who were they being racist against? So they pulled over, they don't have plates. Plates were found in the trunk of the vehicle, which is like, guys, we need to put them on. Yeah. And they were released a few minutes later without being cited.

They can keep driving. OK, great. Robert Sam Anson, writing for Vanity Fair in 1997 picks up what happens next. They halted at another light seconds later at the edge of a dark, undeveloped area between the strip and downtown. A white Cadillac bearing California plates eased up on the passenger side and as a pistol barrel eased from a window a black man got out, gun drawn. Tupac snapped alert and frantically he started climbing into the back seat. There was a fuselade of 13 shots.

One hit Tupac in the hand, another in the pelvis, two more penetrated his chest. Then the only sound was squealing tires. So the car that's just pulled up drives away. So this time he's been shot four times. Yes, four times. Last time he was shot five. So he was fine. Yeah.

Although we haven't found the number for him. Unless it's a cat. That makes nine, five and four. Is he a cat? Is Tupac a cat? I mean, I don't think so. But then. I mean, you can't spell Tupac without cat. Holy shit. Oh my God. Cat poo.

We might have just come up with the first conspiracy theory about Tupac. The first one that's true. Yeah, the first real. No, no, the only one. Oh, the only one. The only one. But it's also true that it's the only one that's true. Yes.

He was rushed to the emergency room. Sadly, he died from his injuries six days later with his girlfriend, Kadada, and his mother Afini at his bedside at the time. He was 25 years old. I can't believe that. How crazy is that? 25. 25.

Too young for the 27 Club. That's wild. To have made your hugely influential career and died before the 27 Club. I was assuming early 30s. Yeah. 25. Wow. A baby.

That's. I was thinking the other day about how young I was at 25. Mentally, like, I still don't really feel like I know what I'm doing in anything. But at 25, I didn't understand a thing. Don't they say like you're frontal lobe isn't fully developed until about that age? So like. I back that. He's also like, I mean, to the point where maybe you're stewing on things more than you

should and you maybe think that people are out to get to you more. I mean, the way you tell it, I think he's got a fair reason to believe that maybe he was set up. Yeah. I mean, without knowing anything apart from what you've told us. But yeah, he was he was angry, wasn't he? Yeah. And maybe if he just got through that period. I wonder if so, if he had been wearing his bulletproof vest, because I would assume it

wasn't the one in the hand that really got him in the end. It was probably the ones in the chest. Two in the chest, yeah. That was his lyric writing hand. Oh, fuck. Computers didn't exist. No, I don't think so. There was no other option.

Well, I think they did, but they were as big as a room. Yeah. And he keeps giving away rooms. Yeah. He'd get a room and then he'd give it to someone and he's like, fuck, I need another room for my computer, my computer room. His murder officially remains unsolved, partly because no one wanted to cooperate with police. Shug night, who was obviously sitting next to him at the time as he was shot, said, I don't get paid to solve homicides. OK. Yeah, that makes sense.

Pretty cold. But yeah. Yeah. That was your friend. I think that it's more like I'll sort it out the way I sort things out. Yeah. A rapper named Yaki Kadhafi was riding in a car with the bodyguards and members of the death row entourage directly behind the BMW. He said he saw who fired the shots, but refused to cooperate with police. Kadhafi, who was only 19, was found dead from a gunshot wound in New Jersey only two months later.

19. 19. Shit. Do you think it's because he was saying I know who it is? I'm not sure. Or if it could have just- That feels like it. Yeah, could have been unrelated violence or it could be because, yeah, he knew.

Why? Why say it? Yeah. It's like, I just want everyone to know that I know. Yeah. Just in case anyone wants a reason to- I won't tell the cops, but I'll tell everybody I know. Yeah.

If anyone wants to silence me. Wow. And there have been many, many, many suspects over the years. Fingers were pointed at Cripps gang members retaliating for the incident at the boxing match earlier in the night. Others accused Biggie, Puffy and East Coast representatives of orchestrating it. In 2002, Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Chuck Phillips writing for the LA Times published a large journalistic investigation. He presented evidence that the Southside Crips, a gang from Compton, executed the killing after Orlando Anderson was beaten up by Tupac earlier in the night,

according to Botanica. Furthermore, Phillips posited in his investigation that Shakur's rival and New York rapper Notorious B.I.G. provided the gun and had previously offered to pay the Crips if they successfully killed Shakur. What? His feud with the rapper had escalated such that Biggie had offered to pay the Crips if they successfully killed Shakur. What? His feud with the rapper had escalated such that Biggie had offered to pay the Crips for one million dollars for the murder. Philip's article stated that Orlando Anderson used Wallace's 40 caliber Glock pistol to carry out the hit. Whoa. So that's that's what this guy said. But Biggie denied that at the time that he had any involvement

saying he was working in a New York studio on the day and night of the murder. And many have said that he was genuinely shocked and saddened to hear of his old friend's death. When asked about Tupac's death and his alleged involvement, Biggie said, take a chance to know the person before you judge a person. That goes with anybody, not just me. Try to get the facts first. He denied that he had any involvement. As a journalist, I'm all about the facts first. Oh, really? You're a fact first journalist?

Is that why you are not working in the field? Yeah, you were blacklisted. Yeah. I think now you have to come up with a punchy title first and then just go from there. Yeah, click first, details later. Yeah. Details, shmeetiles. If there's any details. Yeah, don't worry about it. Just some pictures. Just some ads.

Yep. Lots of ads. It's a good model. Thank you. Yep. Lots of ads. Lots of ads. It's a good model. Thank you. Excellent. And I have to point out that not everybody agrees with Philips' LA findings. Again from Britannica, Philips' reporting was based on interviews with a series of informants who agreed to disclose their knowledge about the case in exchange for anonymity.

While praised for its detailed presentation and logical structure, Philips' LA Times investigation has been panned for its reliance on unnamed sources, particularly those who implicated two deceased individuals and whose allegations have not been corroborated. Because the accused, the one that everyone said he did it, Orlando Anderson himself, was shot and killed in an unrelated gang shootout at the age of 23 in May 1998. Oh, my God. These are just kids. Yes.

And you know, obviously you can't- At 23 in 98. So a couple of years earlier, he was only 21 at the time of Tupac's murder. When they, when he got beaten up. That's wild. They're just, they're little babies. Yeah. And there have been many articles, documentaries and multiple books written about the murder,

often with different conclusions. At the time, the news of Tupac's death was said to have visibly rocked the city of L.A., where he was a cultural icon. His mother, Rafini, was interviewed by Vanity Fair in 1997 and said of the legacy of her son, he said, Let me tell you the reality. My great grandmother was a slave. My grandmother was a sharecropper. My mother was a domestic and I was whatever the fuck I was. That child changed things for all of us.

His final album released with his creative input was released two months after his death under the name Machiavelli. That was his another alias. It was called The Dawn, Killer Minati, The Seven Day Theory, and sold four million copies in the USA and also received critical acclaim. Five more studio albums have been released since his death. Wow. As he recorded prolifically in his short life.

Like we said before, he had 14 songs in six days, I guess. You can spread them out, four songs on an album. Yeah. And they kept finding different bits and mixing them up with different artists and other people do the chorus and things like that. There's a real cash cow for someone. Yeah. Or do you think it's just honouring the legacy?

I think that's usually what posthumous releases are about. Yes. Over on the East Coast, the Notorious B.I.G. was working on his sophomore album, which was due to be released on March 25, 1997. The album had numerous planned release dates, but Biggie was involved in a bad car accident in September 1996, the delayed finalising it. He hurt his leg very badly in the accident and this actually caused him to walk with a cane.

Oh. About three weeks before that release date, he travelled to LA to promote his upcoming album, which was called Life After Death, and to film a music video for its lead single, Hypnotise, which is one of his best known songs. It's had a billion streams on Spotify. So it's still very popular. A billion?

Yeah, a billion, yeah. What the fuck? The fuck? That's crazy. Now, of course, LA was enemy territory on the West Coast and this is only six months since Tupac was murdered. A lot of LA was still mourning and friends warned Biggie that he shouldn't go there because it's a very dangerous place to be for him.

Yeah. Whether even if you had nothing to do with it, people blame you. Yeah. So, you know, don't show your face there. Yeah. Whether or not you did it. I mean, you're yeah, that's a perception is reality in some cases. Exactly. You know, with people who are mourning, angry and have access to very violent individuals,

like you just want to stay away from them. Mm hmm. But he went anyway and one of his radio interviews in LA, he told the interviewer that he'd increased security, not just because of recent threats, but because he'd become a famous person and needed more protection in general. I think it's mostly because he was scared for people killing him. But he's like, oh, it's also because I just don't want people coming up to me anymore. On March 7th, Biggie, Puffy and Brian McKnight presented the award for best R&B

slash soul single to Tony Braxton at the 1997 Soul Train Music Awards. And Biggie was booed by some of the audience. He responded by cheekily saying, what's up, Kelly? So cheeky. What did Tony Braxton win for? was booed by some of the audience. He responded by cheekily saying, What's up, Kelly? So cheeky. What did Tony Braxton win for? Best R&B soul single. What was the single? I didn't write that down.

Oh my God, Dave. You'll tell us where everyone's sitting in a car. It was in Bournemouth where he got shot. Yeah. In the car. In the car. Oh, yeah. Oh, now that you've explained it. The song was Secrets by Toni Braxton. I also just looked up because a billion seemed wild to me.

And so then I looked up like the highest stream songs. So many have had the the the number one is Blinding Lights by the Weekend, which has currently had four point two billion. Wow. Streams. Crazy. How's that go? Blended by the light. Yeah which has currently had 4.2 billion. Wow. Streams. It's crazy. How does that go? Blinded by the light. Yeah, that's the one. Ripped up like a do.

Doosh, doosh on the mother in the night. Yeah, I actually like that song. The Man for Man version or the or the Bruce Springsteen original? Yes. Oh, no. Sorry, you said The Weeknd. Is that right? Bloody hell. Sorry, actually, that was the album that Tony Braxton won, best R&B soul album. But the single was You're Making Me High slash Let It Flow.

Oh, yeah. You're making me high slash let it flow. You're making me high slash don't let me go. I'm having a good time. I'm feeling up high. I wanna dip it. This is, I realized too late when you guys are giving me enough rope. I was like, yeah.

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Squarespace.com slash do go on. So he's presented an award the next night on March 8th. Biggie and the Bad Boy Records entourage attended an after party hosted by Vibe Magazine at the Peterson Automotive Museum in the Carthay Circle neighborhood of Los Angeles. It was a big party with over a thousand guests. A lot of famous people there. Biggie's wife, Faith Evans, Queen Latifah, Chris Tucker, the Wayans brothers, Missy Elliott, Timberland, Timberland, Chris Tucker,

Ginuwine. I've written the Wayans brothers again, so even more brothers. Germaine Dupree, Martin Lawrence. Wow. There's a new bad boys coming out or out now. I saw a poster in the cinemas yesterday. What? Yeah. Do we need more? Do we need it?

Is it three or four up to it? How many are we up to? There must be four. And is it both of them? Both of them, yeah. Ooh. I want, are they going to reference the slap? Bad Boy 4.

He's actually, because he actually is a bad boy now. Wow, yeah, and he wasn't before. Yeah, that's right. There you go. a bad boy now. Wow. Yeah. And he wasn't before. Yeah, that's right. Maybe that was it. He went method. Method man. Oh my god. So, big party. A lot of people there also in attendance were members of both the Bloods and Crips gangs. The Los Angeles Fire Department had closed the party early because of smoking, loud music.

They hate music in America. I hate it there. early because of smoking, loud music. They hate music in the America. And overcrowding and Biggie and his crew left about 1230 AM in two green Chevrolet GMC Suburbans. Where was everyone sitting? I'm going to tell you. Waterslide style. How many have them? Oh, waterslide style.

Waterslide style. Yeah, waterslide style. Most of these cars, they just removed all the seats and they were just sloshing around. I love the word sloshing. Do you like it to describe being tipsy? Geez, this is a bit sloshed. I don't mind it, but I think I prefer it in that kind of- Just like, cause you picture like a tub that is-

Yes, sloshing about. Full slosh. Yeah. It's like when you're in the bath and you kind of like, you push the water around and it sort of goes slosh, slosh, slosh. Or your picture like a, you know, in that episode of the Simpsons where there was like a pool on, on top of a bus or something.

Am I remembering that right? Oh yeah, Otto was driving and that was awesome. Yes. And that's sloshing around. Yeah, that's sloshing like there's nobody's business. That's proper slosh. Yeah. In Parks and Rec,

there's a limo that has a hot tub at the back of it. Now that's sloshing around in style. Yeah, that's fun. So you leave to attend an after party at record executive Steve Stoots house. Steve Stoots. She knows the name Steve Stoots in the Hollywood Hills. Stoots Stoots. Oh, Steve's here.

Stoots Stoots. Oh, good to see you. Good to see you, mate. Steve, I wasn't expecting you here. Steve Stead! Steve Stead! Oh good day Steve! Good to see you mate! Steve I wasn't expecting you here! Hey! Come on in! Should be down in a minute! Who's he there to see? Your wife? He's there to take your wife on a date?

He's there to take your wife on a date? Yeah! She's just getting ready! Come on in! You want a, Bruce? Steve's done? I was picturing like a daughter going to the prom. No, no, no. About to be voted prom queen, but maybe my wife? He's going on a date with Steve Stooges.

Steve Stooges is an 18 year old graduate taking your wife to the prom. Steve's up. Guys, it's a little bit weird, but okay. Matt's wife is a babe. Yeah, she dreamed of being prom queen and now she's going to... Oh, good luck, hun. All right, see you later. Hey, better have her back by midnight.

All right, you're right, Steve's dude. Steve's dead out. Don't do it. Unh, unh. That's a weird little play we did. I liked it. I liked it too. I think we should option it.

Yeah, put a copyright on that. Yeah, maybe we get some rappers to play cops in. Cops in it. Yes. I mean, here's one million dollars of my own money. Yeah, great. I was wondering whose money that was. Dave, can I borrow a million dollars? Yeah, what for? I'm making a project with Matt. Okay. Who's going to be in it? Steve Stoot. Oh, Steve Stoot and the rappers.

Steve Stoot and the rappers. That's a good name. That's fun. Rappers with a W. Stunt, stunt. Stunt, stunt. Stunt, stunt. So they're going to Steve Stoots.

Yes. Sorry. Yep. Everyone's heading to Steve Stoots. The bonus episode we record after this is gonna be it. That's gonna be Steve Loose. It's gonna be a little schmuck. I might have to stand up the whole time. We're gonna be schloshing around in here.

Yeah. So they're going in the Hollywood Hills. Let me tell you the formation now. Please. Biggie traveled in the front passenger seat. Okay, so he's second. He's in the Tupac seat. Yeah.

Alongside his associates. He's second in the water slide. Yeah, he's going second. Yeah. We don't get first, that's someone else take the fall. Sure. Alongside his associates, Damien D Rock Butler, junior mafia member Lil Cease and driver Gregory G Money Young.

When you even your drivers got a cool nickname. Yeah. That's the world they live in. It's cool. But it sounds like he's in the cursed chair. Yes. They did say that's the most dangerous seat, don't they? In a car accident? Yeah. Which one? Well, maybe back.

A front passenger, I thought. Maybe. Use the one they like. Yeah, maybe. Drivers is normally the safest driver. Because I think they go, oh, there's something coming up. I'm going to swerve away from that. And then they swerve possibly into it

with the other side of the car. Anyway, Puffy traveled in the other vehicle. So I should always be in the back seat behind the driver. If my partner's driving, I get to be chauffeured, and then I might stay alive. Exactly. OK, great. Sorry, please continue. So there partner's driving. Yeah. I get to be chauffeured and then I might stay alive. Exactly. OK, great. Sorry. Please continue. So, there's two of these cars, Puffy's in the other vehicle with Eugene

Gene Deal, Anthony Tone Jacobs, Stevie J and driver Kenny Storey. Stevie J, last week we were talking about the cats, uh, premise- or grand final appearances. Is that the same Stevie J? Same one. Same one. Obviously he wasn't there in 94 but he played in the later ones. Yeah.

Wow. Stevie J. It just I find it's easier to just go. Yep. And then move on. Yeah. Also just had the thought Bloods. That's the nickname of the Sydney Swans and Crips is the captain of Carlton.

So if they maybe this year they'll play off in the grand final it'll be a Bloods vs Crips rematch. Something to think about. Have you thought about that, Dave? Why don't you think about that in the corner for a little bit. So there at the front, then the two SUVs were trailed by a Chevrolet Blazer, a lot of these names, carrying Bad Boy Records Director of Security, Paul Offord, and driven by an off-duty Inglewood police officer named Reggie Blaylock. Who was played by a rapper.

So they're in like a little, there's three cars. Mm-hmm. The streets were crowded with people leaving the party and Biggie's car stopped at a red light, the corner of Willshire Boulevard and South Fairfax Avenue, just 50 yards or 46 meters away from the party, because that's how many people are out. It's, you know, gridlock out there. Two minutes later, a dark-colored 1994 Chevrolet Impala SS drove to the side of Wallace's, that's Biggie's, suburban. The driver of the Impala, a man wearing a blue suit and a bow tie, lowered his window, drew a nine millimetre blue steel pistol and fired at Biggie's car with four

bullets hitting him. Four's the unlucky number. Yeah, not good. But I never knew his killer was wearing a blue suit and a bow tie. Who are we all thinking? Oliver Clarke. Previous guest on the show. That's his trademark look.

Holy shit. The beautiful blue suit. Yeah, you're absolutely right. Oh my God. Did they say anything about him being a man with the burns? Holy shit. The beautiful blue suit. Yeah, you're absolutely right. Oh my god. Did they say anything about him being a man with the burns? Yeah. Because that's also a way people have described him.

Wow. Yeah. Was his fly done up? He was eating a beef strawberry. I mean, this is for the deep cuts for the OC fans. Which is everyone. Which is everyone. What a guy. Got a new album out.

Check it out on Spotify. Great stuff. Anyway, he's been shot with four bullets. Biggie's driver drove him straight to the hospital where emergency surgery was performed, but sadly he could not be saved. Wow. Was pronounced dead at 1.15am. Probably would have survived the first three shots, but his autopsy,

which wasn't released for 15 years, showed that the fourth final bullet went through the rapper's right hip and had torn through his left lung, heart and colon. Oh, my God. Before going out the other side. Whoa. Bullets are crazy. Yeah, bullets are crazy. They are crazy. Holy shit, he speaks the truth sometimes, doesn't he? But you know, it's like something you could get shot in the leg and end up in your brain

somehow. Is that true? I didn't know that. That is what- If you get the right angle. There's ricochet around in there. If you shoot from underneath someone. Yeah. And it just goes all the way up. I mean, it's unlikely, but it's possible. Yeah, right. There you go. That's amazing. How do they know what order the bullets entered in?

Well, I mean, they were in Las Vegas, so I'm pretty sure they called in Grissom from CSI. Uh-huh. They got him to do it all. So how old's Biggie? Biggie was only 24. What? No shit. So young.

I had him pegged for like mid-30s as well. But yeah, jeez. And Biggie had a couple of kids too. Two kids left behind, yeah. I think the youngest was maybe two. Very sad. Oh my god. His son, he's got a son and, yeah. I think the youngest is maybe two. Very sad. Oh my god. His son, he's got a son and a daughter.

His son has also become a rapper. Oh, right. Maybe called, I don't want to say the wrong name, but maybe Lil Biggie or something like that? Lil Biggie, you're right. Lil Biggie, CJ Wallace, who is now 27, so older than when his dad was when he was killed, which is so wild. Like 2Pac, the murder of the notorious B.I.G. remains unsolved.

Again, Puffy and the others that were there that day didn't cooperate with investigators. And similarly, there have been many theories and accusations made in books, documentaries and newspaper articles. The New York Times writes, A cottage industry of criminal speculation has sprung up around the case with documentaries, books and a stream of lurid magazine articles implicating gangs, crooked cops and a cross-country rap bravary noting that everything associated with Wallace's death has been big business. And yes, I do see the irony in pointing that out on our second episode on this topic. But there's even been a film I didn didn't realise this, starring Johnny Depp called

City of Lies, released in 2021 about the investigation, because there's been biopics both about Tupac and Biggie. I saw the Biggie one or one of the Biggie ones. It was, yeah, it was great. And it's so funny that I saw that and still have been surprised by so much of this story that I'm obviously hearing for the second time. But. Wow.

So young. I can't believe they're both so young. So young. Retired FBI agent Phil Carson, who worked the case for two years, claimed to the New York Post in 2021 that Death Row Records founder Shug Knight financed the hit on the notorious B.I.G. and that the execution was carried out by a nation of Islam convert and hired hitman Amir Muhammad with the help of corrupt Los Angeles cops. That's just one of many, many claims we don't know for sure. Lots of theories about it.

Lots of theories. On March 18, Biggie's funeral was held in Manhattan and there were around 350 mourners. A lot of them very famous people you'll know. A lot of people came out to... Celine Dion? She was there. Yeah. I knew it.

Name a celebrity. Faith... What's his wife's name? Faith Hill. Faith Hill. She was busy. Wait, Faith Hill? She was busy Smalls.

Faith Hill was there. Yeah, Faith Hill was there. Come on, give me something for busy Smalls. Busy Smalls. Faith Hill was there. Yeah, Faith Hill was there. Come on, give me something for busy Smalls. Busy Smalls is funny. Busy Smalls.

Busy Phillips's dad. Busy Phillips was there. Who was that other Faith? The one, the country pops in. Faith? Was that Faith Hill as well? No. Who was that?

Faith Evans. Faith Evans. No, Faith Evans is the wife. Yes, Faith Hill is the wife. You confused me when you said Faith Hill. People will be absolutely screaming. When did I say Faith Hill? Just then? Just then. Earlier as well. No, just then. Oh, thank God. This kiss, this kiss. It's centrifugal motion. Fantastic use of that word. Oh my God. Centrifugal. I never knew that's what that was. Because that's, yeah, that's in certain evaporative coin units they use. Centrifugal fans.

And here's the thing that I learned listening to a lot of rap this week. When they, some of their things, both on Biggie and Tupac, because they grew up poor. One of them, I think it's Biggie sung juicy singing about how growing up quite poor, birthdays was the worst days. Now he sips champagne on every day or something like that. But he also talks about blasting the AK. That's what they call AC. Oh, you're right. AK, I haven't heard of it before.

Yeah, both rappers include AK. AK, right. They blast the Ak. Did either of them reference Government Cheese, which we talked about. Not that I remember, but it's possible. Because I know there has been reference in music. I think I said at the time, I just can't remember who. I was definitely listening.

I mean, that was like four years ago. Yeah, but- I can't remember what we did today. He does have the cleanest, meanest penis. So that's right. And we have to remember that. He's got no government dick cheese. Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ. Well, I think that's all we've got time for. We've got to go out on that. We can't, how do you top that? Surely there's nothing you have to say that's important. Good night, Australia. We're going that's important. Good night Australia. We're doing an ad break there. We're done.

One of those lines comes into your head and you're 50-50 like, should I just say this out loud? No, of course you should have. Always say it out loud. The worst case scenario is we edit it out. Yeah, but the problem is it sounds like AJ doesn't edit out these things, the misses that we have. Someone's telling me- I trust AJ's instincts.

Okay, I used to until people told me at the live shows. They said they enjoy it, but apparently he leaves a lot of stuff in where I say, please edit it. Well, it's hard. It's probably hard for him to tell what is joke edited out and actually edited out. So you need to come up- I never joke. You need to come up with code. I'm never joking.

But sometimes it's funnier to leave it in. And AJ makes that call. Okay. Well, I leave it that up to AJ. We're going to have a consensus then. Is government dick cheese staying in? Yes. Yeah, that's staying in.

Okay. There's only a little bit left to go, but 16 days after his death, Wallace's double disc second album, Wallace Being Biggie, was released as planned, originally titled Life After Death Till Death Do Us Part as planned, originally titled Life After Death Till Death Do Us Part. It was shortened to Life After Death. I would have kept it till till death do we part, because he's gone. He's gone.

But then this is his life after, this is the way he lives on. No. Well. I don't believe in life after love. Well, the record by him public public did because the album sold six hundred and ninety thousand copies in its first week, picking at number one on the Billboard 200 and eventually

sold over five million copies in the US. Again, it was acclaimed and is heralded as one of the best ever hip hop albums and as some of his most well-known songs, including Hypnotise that I mentioned earlier and also Mo Money Mo Problems.

Both singles topped the Billboard chart, making Biggie the only artist in Hot 100 history to have two number one singles posthumously. Wow. The final track of the album is titled Your Nobody Till Somebody Kills You. That's how the album finishes. Wow. And also- Well, actually, it was that was going to be the first song on there. But then once he died, they were like, fuck, maybe put that to the end.

I reckon, you know, poetic. Very poetic. Loves poetry. The notorious B.I.G.'s champion, his friend and bad boy records owner, Puffy, was distraught over Biggie's death and along with his widow, Faith Evans, not Faith Hill, they released the tribute track, I'll Be Missing You, on Puffy's debut album. And he finally got around to it. And that's the one that uses the Sting, oh no, the police. Yeah, sorry.

They didn't credit it and they ended up having to pay so much. So the chorus features a reinterpretation of the police song, Every Breath You Take, but they didn't ask Sting's permission to use the sample. It was a huge success. It's the first rap song to debut atop the Billboard chart, where it stayed for 11 weeks with shipments of over three million copies in the United States and over one million in both Germany and the UK. The song has become one of the best selling singles of all time. And Sting's friend, Alton John, reportedly said to him, have you heard I'll be missing

you? You're going to be a millionaire. To which Sting replied, Elton, I'm already a millionaire. Babe, tell me something I don't know. And Elton said, you'll be a millionaire twice over. And he was right, because Sting sued and got 100 percent of the song's royalties. Whoa. So, like, he already had one of, like, I think the best-selling song of the 1980s with the original and then this comes out in 1997 and is one of the best-selling songs of that decade and he gets to keep those royalties as well.

100% is high. I mean, the song isn't as big without it, obviously, but I feel like he's done something to it to get a little cut. He talked over it. Shouldn't he get something? Even so, Sting and Puffy have gone on to become quite good friends. So. That's nice.

Good for them. Also, Puffy's album is his bestselling one. It sold like 8 million copies itself and he had maybe two more number one hits and another couple of number two hits from that album was, it was massive. So he did very well. How close of friends is Sting with Puff Daddy? Well, a few years ago when I was talking about each other in an interview, they said that they've become good friends.

OK, that's interesting. Yeah, Gov'n Cheese, I can't find any references in either of their songs, but Snoop has referenced it a bit. So yeah, a bunch of other big rappers, including like Public Enemy, Wyclef Jean, Wyclef Jane. Is it Jane or Jean? Jean. Is it Jean?

Nah, but it's pretty funny. Yeah. Pretty funny to have you on the show. I got- Can you do it with the whole thing in your first- No, but it's pretty funny. Yeah. Pretty funny to have you on the show. Can you do it with the whole thing in your face? Weird Al Yankovitch also referenced it. What's his parody of Government Cheese? What's he got into?

It's from... Government Bees. Whatever you like. He's parodying the product. Not a famous song, but a parroting product. Chips more like shits. Pretty good. He says, baby, I can give you anything you please, even share my government cheese.

And baby, you can have as much as you like. I don't know what that- Do you know what song that's from? That is nice. It's from the song Whatever You Like, but I don't know what that's parodying. I'm sure the yank heads will be fucking yelling and screaming at them. And we want to hear about it. And what about the feud?

Well, on April 3rd, 1997, key figures in the rap industry were summoned by Louis Farrakhan, an American religious leader who heads the Nation of Islam and was quite influential. He invited them to his Chicago-based ministry house for an in-depth meeting. The main thrust was to put an end to the East-West rivalry. On hand were artists such as Snoop Dogg, The Dog Pound, Ice Cube, Bone Thugs in Harmony and Fat Joe, Fat Joe being the only one from the East Coast. Ice Cube later said that people recognise that things have gone too far and eventually agreed to squash the beef.

Hip Hop also squashed the beef, makes hamburgers. Yeah, maybe a bit of government cheese. Hey guys, let's squash the beef, okay? Okay. Enough's enough. Okay. Let's squash this beef. This beef, too big. Too big, let's squash it.

Too much beef here. The beef has been squashed. I'd like to think it's like a ceremony where there's an actual piece of beef. Yeah, I hope so. And then we've got one at a time and just hit it with a hammer or something. It has been squished. Everyone turns the clamp. Until the beep has been squished.

The Weird Al song was a parody of T.I.'s song of the same name, Whatever You Like. There you go, Alheadz out there. Whatever you like. Probably, anyway. Were you just making up a song? No. I want to be dead. Jess? Is that the name of one of Biggie's albums? Yeah. And it came true.

Hip hop also seemed to move on a bit from gangster rap and G funk at this time. And Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg both left death row records to do their own thing. The man behind it all, Suge Knight, was in and out of prison in the late 90s. And the label began to decline, eventually filing for bankruptcy. Though I believe recently in the last couple of years, Snoop Dogg has bought the label. For a much, you know, decreased price because it's not as successful anymore. Shug Knight himself is back in jail after he pled no contest to voluntary manslaughter in a fatal 2015 hit and run under the three strikes rule he was sentenced to 28 years in prison.

Whoa. He will not be out for a long time. And that was kind of it for a long time anyway. And that was kind of it for a long time. Both murders remained unsolved, but there was an update last year, 2023. Whoa, that's recent. Yeah, Dwayne Keith Keffi D. Davis.

OK, I'm going to need that again. Dwayne Keith, nicknamed Keffi D. OK. Surname Davis. I'll just call him Davis from here. Thank you. Was arrested for the murder of Tupac, the first ever arrest in the case. Davis has admitted in his 2019 memoir, Compton Street Legend, which is- Right, mate. Jesus.

I've never bloody heard of you, mate. That he was in the passenger seat of the white Cadillac. And you've been wondering what position people were sitting in. We know he was in the white- he was in the passenger seat of the white Cadillac that pulled up alongside the BMW containing Tupac and that the shooter, he says, was his nephew Orlando Anderson. The guy that Tupac and everyone had jumped at the MGM boxing match. Right.

Davis was arrested for the murder in 2023. Not as the actual shooter, but prosecutors described him as a shot caller behind the crime. And in his book, he actually admitted that he provided the gun used in the drive by. But made his nephew do the gunning. But his nephew grabbed the gun admitted that he provided the gun used in the drive by. But made his nephew do the gun. But his nephew grabbed the gun. And it kind of seems like because he's talked about it for a while that he was in the car, like sort of showing off a bit about it, but it kind of I think the story is that

if he hadn't written the book, he would not have been arrested. So by putting it in writing and saying that was me, I was there, he's been arrested. It's a bit like, I think, when you rob a bank in certain jurisdictions of America, even if you're like the getaway car driver and someone gets shot inside, you can get charged for murder because you're part of the crime. So he's been charged because he was there. Yep. Because he gave the gun.

Yep. There's no statute of limitations, because that's the kind of thing that I would have thought he'd look into before publishing a book. Yeah. Get a lawyer to give this a once over. Once over? Chatchall, hypothetically. Yeah. Yeah, but his trial- If I did be in that car.

That's right. Weirdly phrase, but, okay, much first draft. That's a crime against language, but I- That's where we get edit-ins involved, okay? It's fine. His trial, this is Davis, was initially set to begin June 3rd, 2024, coming up next month, but was later delayed to November 4th, 2024. So we'll have to see if there are any updates on this later in the year.

But he could be the first and probably only because I think he's believed to be the only surviving person from the other car. Wow. So there might actually be someone who gets punished for the murder. Because his nephew was killed. Killed a couple of months later. 23 or something. Yeah. And is he still open about it?

Like, he's like, that was me, but he's going to try and argue that, but I didn't pull the trigger. So. I guess because we haven't had the trial yet, we don't know what his defense will be. But yeah, he's definitely going to face at least the court. Wow. I'm keen to look at- I hadn't heard of this movie. Did you say a movie about the investigation? Oh yeah, with Johnny Depp. Because there's also- it looks like there was a 2018 True Crime Anthology series called

Unsolved. Oh yeah, honestly, there's so many docos out there. I've seen Straight Outta Compton and Notorious. I think there's also- I'm looking up Shug Knight being portrayed on film. And there's like, there's six different things where- Definitely a big character from this era.

And I think the Tupac movie was panned. I haven't seen it, but it didn't get great reviews. Right. But the legacy of Tupac Shakur and the notorious B.I.G. lives on, both becoming mythologised figures and titans of hip hop and popular music. Both are considered some of the best to ever do it. Rolling Stone and Billboard both named Biggie as the greatest rapper of all time, while Snoopac calls Tupac the greatest rapper ever.

Tupac has sold more than 75 million records worldwide. Biggie has sold 21 million albums in the US alone. Not bad for a guy who only released one album in his lifetime. Whoa. And let's not forget, there's a burger place named after it. Exactly. The ultimate tribute. Yeah, that'd be interesting. There was, there was somewhere, was it that one or another chain that ended up getting basically told to knock it off? I feel like it was then, but I can't remember.

Yeah. By the estate or something. Mm. Okay. Tupac was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2017 and Biggie was inducted himself in 2020. Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Yeah. Okay. That's not hip hop. Yeah. They're one of the few, I think there's maybe 10 rappers in total or rap groups

that have made it into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. So that big, that influential that they can influence rock as well. Both flawed individuals, it's plain to say, but it's incredibly sad that they were both murdered in their creative primes at such young ages. Yeah, obviously at our age, much older than them, it's sad to see. Yeah. Yeah, and the older you get, you realise, God, that is so fucking young. That is so fucking young.

That is so young. I know, when we're 50, we'll go, 34, we were babies. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but it's- If we make 50. But that's the story of the East Coast West Coast hip hop rivalry. If you didn't know, now you know. Wow.

Well done, Dave. What a story. Yeah, I knew none of that. So now I know. As you just said. I actually didn't really know anything other than that both of them were murdered and that maybe they didn't like each other. That was about it.

Yeah, it's so sad they started out friends. Yeah. And I only knew maybe two or three songs from each of them, really. Yeah. And now you know the whole back catalogue. I listened to the at least the albums they've released in their lifetimes. Biggie's the same. I think there's been two albums released posthumously. And then maybe his wife did an album with some of his old recordings as the third one. And they both have greatest hits that I think are among the bestselling

of that catalogue. But yeah, so many, so many songs that I was like, oh, this is cool. I actually, I do know this one. Yeah. Yeah. The burger place I was thinking of in Melbourne, I got shut down by legal stuff was College Dropout Burgers, like a Kanye West. Oh, yeah. But there, yeah, there is. legal stuff was college dropout burgers like a Kanye West. Oh. Yeah, you won't.

But there, yeah, there is. That feels way more like away from the source than literally calling a shop Biggie Smalls. But yeah, whereas it looks like the Melbourne owner of Biggie Smalls has sued a Gold Coast food truck called Biggie Smalls. Oh. Biggie Smalls kebabs. Oh, come on. But this is eight years ago, so I don't remember hearing about that.

There's also- That sounds strange. I'm all right with you saying that there's a toasted cheese place called Ghost Face Griller. Yeah. I think maybe in Perth. Or maybe that's a chain. But yeah, that's a fun one. That's a fun one.

I mean, it was my dream. Partly by the way, you meant to open up a burger shop called Krista Burger. Oh yeah. And then Sal would be looked up. There actually is one in England, so I would be ripping off someone else's idea. Damn it. Krista, yeah, Krista Burger Down Under. That's fun.

What would some of the burgers be? They'd be the Ladian red sauce on your fries. Matt, you're going to be so disappointed when I tell you. That'd be- Oh, that's right. We're going to call it- don't pay the ferry mayonnaise. It's all condiments and then we just have like cheeseburger, Krista cheeseburger, Krista hamburger, Krista Big Mac. Remember we started singing sausageusage in Bread.

You're going to be so pissed when I tell you. I think there's another one in England, but there's also a Krista Berger van based out of Wrexham. We could have gone there. We were there. We were right there. Sausage and bread. We were singing that when we were in Wrexham. I don't remember singing that at all.

No, not in Wrexham, but another time we just talked about Kristerberg. It does feel good that we're ending this double episode epic on the East Coast, West Coast rap rivalry with some Kristerberg talk. The best eyebrows in the biz. Is he still going or did anyone ever take a hit out on him? Oh my God. Surely he's still going. Our main man, Chris Deberg is alive at 75.

Oh yeah. Chris. Sounded like you were calling Bingo. Deberg. Fish alive is 75. Anyway, let's let's move on. Dave, thank you so much for such a wonderful report. Thank you for indulging me everyone in a double episode.

You've made me, I'm going to be diving into a bunch of those. I love, I do love a biopic or a bio series, whatever you call them. The love the Wu-Tang Clan series. And, but yeah, I'm going to go back and watch some of these other ones I've missed from the 2-pack and Biggie. Well, make sure to get yourself some lady in red sauce on your chips. Yeah. Well, can I get some lady in red sauce and maybe a little Don't Pay the Fairy mayonnaise

as well. So the only two songs is I know, otherwise I'd keep going. You better believe I would. And now it's time for everyone's favorite section of the show. We've lost Matt. We've kicked him out. We've said, get out of here, you dog. That's what we said. And he went, oh, okay, can I go?

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And that is. And we never proofread these. No. So that's why if I sound bad, it's not me. It's not Dave. It's also. It's Dave's comprehension skills. Exactly. If I'm stumbling, you know,. It's not Dave. It's also. It's Dave's comprehension skills. Exactly. If I'm stumbling, you know, I haven't had a chance to prove it. This is from Michael. Hi, my favorite pod people. Michael. Hi, Michael. Hi, Michael.

I'm 33 and turning 34 on April 27th. OK, you've just you've turned 34 oh, ages ago by the time this comes out. But at the time of recording, still quite a while ago. And 34, can we say that is not old at all? That's not old at all. How fucking dare you? Because maybe, hypothetically, two people of this podcast might also be turning 34

this year in a couple of months. Yeah, they could, but they'd be incredibly young and beautiful. They'd be the youngest and the hottest. Michael, turning 34 on April 27th. I've never felt older. Yeah. When I was putting my underwear on about one week ago, my back went out. I fell to the floor and couldn't move at all. That is brutal.

Yeah. It was the most pathetic I have ever been in my life. Just laying there with my underwear around my ankles. Michael, my god. My dog, Leia, must have thought I was playing because she got the zoomies right then and was no help. I love it when dogs get zoomies at bad times. You're like, no, please.

But Michael writes, but what she could have done? I don't know, man. Why are you asking me? Anyways, ta ta and farewell. Michael, I hope, because we are recording this several weeks later after that. I really hope you're okay. Please, please. I hope you're okay.

But I do understand. I really hope he's still not lying on the floor. He's typed this into his phone. He could have used that valuable battery to call Val, but instead he submitted a fat quarter question. Lay out this dog. It's just zooming around. Zooming around. Going, Michael. Are you going to feed Lay out this dog, it's just zooming around. Just going, Michael.

Are you going to feed me? Come on. I'll keep zooming. I do. I get that. I get that. And I know we, we, I said this recently. There was a conversation in our, our Facebook group of people being like, hey, I'm somebody was like, I'm in my 40s or something. People older listening. And there was a huge range of ages listening to the podcast, which is so lovely.

People in their seventies, sixties, fifties, amazing. And so I was sort of like, I'm going to stop talking about how old I am all the time, because I know that's insufferable when people younger than you were doing that all the time, but I do think that sort of phrase of like, youth is wasted on the young. I've never understood it more until I got into my late 20s, early 30s. And now, yeah, I- So you're not allowed to understand it when you're young though. But you really don't understand how good your life is for such- it's such a short

window where you can go out drinking all night and rock up to work in your retail job at 9am on a Sunday and you're fine. Two hours sleep, who gives a shit? On Tuesday this week, Aidan was like, I think I'm getting sick. out drinking all night and rock up to work in your retail job at 9am on a Sunday and you're fine. Two hours sleep, who gives a shit? On Tuesday this week, Aidan was like, I think I'm getting sick. And I'm like, no, you went out on Saturday night. That's all it is. You're hung over still.

I'm always amazed at the different stages of life. Looking back, like, when I first started working full time, I looked back at my uni days and I was like, what did I used to do with my time? What did I fucking do all day? And now I'm working and now I've got a baby. Yes. It's even more, what did I do? Yeah.

Like, what did I do when I was only working? Yep. And when I was only working, I was like, what did I do when I was only studying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's just, I think it's just going to keep going like that forever. Absolutely. Less and less time forever. That's right.

Absolutely. It's ridiculous. I think about, cause I worked in retail a lot. Um, and I think about those Sunday morning shifts where we did start at 10. There was a later start, which is good. And we were all the same age. So we'd all be hung over starting, but you were fine. Yeah, not really bad.

You'd open the shop. Somebody would stay there cause Sunday mornings are always quiet. Somebody else would walk down to Macca's and get orange juice and hash browns. And then we were fine for the day. And now it's like, no, no, no, I've, I was up past midnight. Sorry, I need to take the wake off. I am ruined. Yeah.

It's ridiculous. My body hurts all the time. Yeah. But I'm sure that, you know, that there's people in their 50s, 60s and 70s listening, going, you've got no idea. You don't know what's coming, you little shits. I'm sorry, but if we did know, then no one would want to get hold of us.

They're going, you've only got one little baby. Just wait till you've got eight teenagers running around. You know? It's crazy. So Michael, I get it, but we are young, okay? We're all young, Michael, and I really hope you pulled your pants up on him. I hope you have to.

One leg at a time, buddy. Thank you for letting us go on that little rant too. That made me feel Michael and I really hope you pulled your pants up on him. I hope you have to. One leg at a time, buddy. Thank you for letting us go on that little rant too. That made me feel better. I enjoyed that. And finally this week we've only got one more and that is from Jacoby Austin De Angel. Hi Jacoby. Jacoby's given themselves the nickname of burglar in brackets or expert treasure hunter of the podcast. Hey, same thing, baby.

Yeah. Ah, treasure hunter. You're a burglar. One man's treasure is another man's burglar. Yeah. Same thing, baby. Yeah. Ah, treasure hunter. You're a burglar. One man's treasure is another man's burgle. As I always say. You've always said that. I've never understood until right now. He has always said it.

And Takobi's given a rare brag. Oh, we love a brag. Which we love and encourage and think is fantastic. Love a brag. Bring it on. This is a safe place to brag. And Takobi's here with, I'm going to go and try for the rare royal flush of FAC or FQQ, is FAC quota questions, which is when you, you've done a fact. You've done a quote. You've done a question.

He says, I'll try to keep it as brief as possible, but they'll have to be out of order for this to make sense. Okay. Bragg. Last time I bragged that I would be getting my first tattoo. This time I'm bragging that I got it. Oh. I posted a picture in a thread on the Do Go On Patreon Facebook page if you want to

check it out. In a thread? Oh my God. Have you seen this? Well, there was a thread, because I think it was Sophie. Shuda got, um, Shuda got released the slugs. There was a thread of- Sophie, that was fantastic. It's so good. And then you know what that made me do? It made me go back and watch the Do Go automation

of release the slugs. And it's so funny. That's great. So that's our Shackleton's Endurance episode, which is in the first hundred episodes, first couple of years of the show. People have said, cause people said in the comments that like that was one of Jess's best and I always remembered it being you really leading that joke. But watching it back, it is me leading it, but

you jump in so quick and you're adding to it and you're doing- Sorry, I jump in and ruin it. Take over. Sorry about that. What an ass. No, no, no. We're doing the same voice of just being this person. It's so stupid and funny.

And now Sophie in the UK has a tattoo that says, release the slugs. That's so funny that life has made that happen, you know? Yeah. Those weird things. Is that our first Do Go On tattoo? Oh, I'm not sure. I can think of definitely Do Go On inspired. I'm not 100% sure. I, yeah, I think maybe, but I could absolutely be wrong. OK. Anyway, so we interrupted Jacoby.

Jacoby, that's the brag. The quote is, quote, I was talking about you and I assure you there is a mark on this door, the usual one in the trade, or used to be. Burglar wants a good job. Plenty of excitement and reasonable reward. That's how it is usually read. You can say expert treasure hunter instead of burglar if you like. Some of them do. It's all the same usually read. You can say, expert treasure hunter instead of burglar if you like. Some of them do.

It's all the same to us. End quote. This is said by the dwarf Glowen to Bilbo Baggins in The Hobbit and explains the tattoo of both my tattoo and title. Oh. Sorry, explains the meaning. I don't know if I read that properly. You didn't.

Explains the mean- explains the tattoo. No, explains the meaning of both my tattoo and my title. Great. Then there is a fact. There is only one sketch done by Tolkien showing what the symbol that Gandalf marked on Bilbo's door looks like, and in the movie they went for something completely different, so my tattoo is quite obscure even amongst Tolkien fans. Oh! Why would they not respect the drawing?

Yeah, you dogs. That's weird. Movie people thinking they know better. Yeah, come on. Psss. All right, the question is, question, after getting a tattoo, I went back to episode 18, tattoos.

Wow. We did a report on tattoos all this year. I do, yeah. My question for Matt is, did you ever finish your flame tattoo? I can answer that, no. No, he did not. And for Jess-

He did get a different tattoo, but he has not finished the flame. And for Jess and Dave, do you plan on getting more? I have not had any since and probably not. Well, listening back to episode 18, I didn't have any and I now have four and I'll probably get more. You'll probably get more? Yeah, I was planning, because I'm doing a bit of a US trip in the middle of this year

and I was planning on getting a tattoo in Vegas because there's a place that does $10 tattoos, despite a lot of people saying that's probably not a good idea, but I was like, nah, it'll be fine. Is it just like a line? No, they have like a certain, like they've got a sheet of designs they'll do for $10. These are $10, have you seen them? Yeah. Like a dollar sign or something like that, that basic? Nah, there was like, there was a few that I was like, yeah, I could do that.

That could work. It's a bargain. It's a bargain. But then I remembered that after you get a tattoo, you can't swim for a couple of weeks and I'm going to be touring around places with pools. Well, it just depends how much you like your $10 tattoo. You don't really give a shit about it. That's true.

You don't mind if it gets faded. Are you trying to talk me in or out of the $10 tattoo? I think I'm talking you in. But yeah, I reckon I'll end up with more. Yeah, cool. I keep adding to them. I've always dreamt of getting a dolly, getting a dolly tattoo. That would be pretty sick. What if you if you got one either on your face or your neck, you could just not go under when you swim.

Smart. I usually don't, because then you got to wash your hair. Yeah, yeah, great. Tattoo your scalp. I'll tattoo my scalp. Perfect. God, you're handy, Dave. It's so good we can talk these things through. I love it. Yeah, Jacobi, I've got four now and I'll touch your scalp. I'll touch my scalp. Perfect. God, you're handy, Dave. It's so good we can talk these things through. I love it. Yeah, Jacobi, I've got four now and I'll probably have more. Yeah, great.

And the suggestion is- Dave's going to get my name. Yeah, well, if I can get it for 10 bucks, I will. I'm not paying a dollar more for that. What if I paid for it? Would you get my name tattooed on it or do you think your wife would have an issue with that? I will let you know that the thing holding me back from getting your name tattooed on

me is not the price. What do you mean? Are you concerned that we will have a falling out one day? Yeah, exactly. After crossing out, I'm changing the S's to dollar signs. Or is it the fact that you are married and it would be strange to have your colleagues... She's fine. She'd probably find it a bit funny. If we did have a falling out, how would you feel if I changed it? I just added sucks next to it.

Oh, you could. Just leave a space between all the letters, and then just add a U in between the S's, and then you got Jesus. Oh my god, that's so clever. That's pretty cool. So it's J space E space S U. U S. Yeah. Jesus. Jesus. Space E space S U S.

Jesus. Jesus. They're like, well, your tattoo was drunk. Yeah, no. Jess was just a bitch. And the final one is. The thing holding me back from getting your name tattooed on me is not the price. That's funny. Hardware drives that pay $200 to not get a tattoo done. That's funny. I'd wait until I was paid $200 to not get it taken on.

That's brutal. Wow. What a way to find out. No offence. I've already got Dave on mine. I've got Dave and Matt on each butt cheek. That's love. She won't show us that to prove it.

I'll show it when you get it done and then I get it done and you're like, oh, I was only kidding. Fuck. She got me again. All right. And the final thing from Jacoby's suggestion, which is- Of course. Sorry, Jacoby. We've really derailed.

I suggest everyone who's thought about it should get a tattoo. It took me a long time debating if I wanted to get one and trying to think of the perfect idea. Now that I'm inked up, I wish I'd done it sooner and I reckon I'll get a few more. Yep. Thanks, mate. I think a lot of people say they're addictive. And I think it's not that they're addictive, it's just that you, with the first one, you do think about it a lot because you go, oh, it's permanent.

That's why my body's a blank canvas. I know. Oh my gosh. And then you get the first one and you never notice it. Yeah, and you realize, oh, this isn't that big a deal. It's not a big deal. They're kind of fun. Yeah.

And yeah. But I do say, think about them for a while. Or don't get a tattoo that you really want at 18. And I know you think you'll want it forever. Yeah. But some of the stuff I wanted, even at uni, I'm so glad I didn't get. You're very glad. I'm so glad.

I thought about my first one for years. Can you think about any ideas you had previously that you cringed at? I wanted K-Sara-Sara on my wrist. K-Sara-Sara, whatever will be, will be. Great message. Don't have to put it on your wrist. And I also wanted, it was going to take up most of my forearm here was like a sun that, uh, and it had like, uh, beams coming off the sun and then it had a moon and a star inside the sun as well.

That's not that bad. It was going to take up my entire forearm though. That's a big one. It's big. Um, I've just got four little ones. Yeah. I actually can't see one of them, so I forget about it all the time. And you're, huh?

Yeah. I see it in pictures and go, what's that? What the fuck? What's that? Oh my God. I put my arm up and I'm like, what the fuck? Oh my God, there's a bug, there's a bug. It's on the back of my arm and so I don't see it. And I regret it because it's a meaningful one and I can't see it.

The ones that don't really matter, I can see them all the time. Oh no, I'm saying that one again. Thanks Jacoby for the royal flush there. Good stuff. Well done. Thank you, Jacoby. And go flush there. Good stuff. Well done. Thank you Jacoby. And go get tattoos.

That's my advice. If you want. If you want. Think about the first one for a while. Yeah, think about it. And I will say, think about where you get it done. Because one of the reasons I didn't go back is I've got one on my inner, my bicep. Yep.

Obviously, to show it off. And the hooves, because I've got a zebra, were quite painful down low. Yeah. So think about what you're getting it done. I've been told that that is quite a sensitive spot. I've been told that too, but I have it and it's fine. Okay. But also I just have really fine text.

All right. I was being a dick for a bit there. It was the shading. That would hurt. And they were colouring it in. So, but also I am a wuss and was even more of a wuss back then with pain. So these days I'm just getting my face done, whatever. Yeah, who cares?

Do a full sleep in one session. I don't give a shit. What is that, 38 hours? Whatever, who gives a shit? Whatever. I fell asleep. Yeah. So I had a really beautiful sleep, actually.

Didn't notice. Best of my life. Yeah, they do hurt. But whatever. Whatever. Whatever. Sometimes you just want to feel something. That's usually when I pierce my ears again.

Oh, okay. Yeah. If I've, if I go and get another ear piercing, just be like, okay, are you all right? That's usually when I'm like, I want to feel something. Anyway. Um, so. Thankfully they look good.

Thank God for that. Thank God. Um, the next thing we need to do after the fact fact of the question, is thank some of our wonderful patrons with a little shout out. Absolutely. So this is a part two episode. Yes. What did we do for part one?

Last week you did the rap name generator. Should we do it again? I think we should do it again because it showed so much promise. It was so fun. It was really- so if I give you the names- Rap name generator. I've got to find the rap name generator again. Hang on. Need to find the right one. I've had to try a few. Okay, yeah, I've got it.

So just for context, because this week we recorded the episodes back to back, it was a bit of an epic session. So we didn't have time by the end of the day. Our studio booking ran out before we could do this Patreon bit. That's why Matt's actually not here. As we also discovered the next morning, I was very sick. Yes, Jess was very sick. You became ill, so ill that we had to take a week off recording because you had two weeks to recover. I was sitting here recording these two episodes with a blanket over me because I thought, that's weird, I'm a bit cold. Turns out that was a fever. Yes. And that fever didn't leave me for five days. Yeah, you were extremely ill. I was very ill. We're checking in on you and you're like,

no, I'm even worse now. Yeah, you, yeah. You're like, feeling any better today? No. No, actually. If anything, worse. I can't believe it. Yes, you were absolutely knocked around. I'm very brave is what we're saying. Exactly.

We're reloading the rat name generator from a couple of weeks ago for us. And first up, I would like to thank from Queensland in Australia, it's Sonia. Sonia. S-O-N-I-A. We've only got one. Just your name, which is what you signed up on Patreon. Maybe your last name starts with K according to email, but just so you know, Sonia from Queensland, that is you.

This rules. Super duper Sonia the artist. But it's S-U-P-A-D-U-P-A. Oh, super duper Sonia the artist. Love it. Or Sonia Perrier. I don't like that one. Sonia de First is another option for you, Sonia. Sonia de First is good. Next up, I would like to thank from location unknown to us. So we can only assume it's deep within the fortress of the moles. It is, and I'm going to

have a real crack here, Sinead Neharactane. Sirene? Sirene? Sinead? That, hairctane. Shireen? Shireen? Shireen? Shanaid? Shanaid? That's a bit I was confident with and I stuffed that up. Sinead, knee, surname, hairctane. What's coming up for the rap? Name generator?

MC Sinead. Seriously? Or Sinead Flame. That's good. What about MC Sinead Flame? Yeah, okay, great. Yep. MC Sinead. It's really good. What about MC Sinead Flame? Yeah, okay, great.

Yep. It's really given up the rap name. MC Sinead de Supplier. That's good stuff. That's good too. That's good stuff. All right, next up, I'd like to thank another location unknown to us. And if you're ever wondering, hey, why aren't they saying where I'm from?

It's because when you sign up to Patreon for whatever reason, you've ticked, I don't want them to send me anything or I don't want to give them my address. Yeah, fair enough. We don't need to know. But that's why. But it's your fault. Yeah. Yeah. We just had a couple of people question it. Also, if we only ever say your first name, that's just what you've written your name in as. So thank you so much to from location unknown.

It's Tess. Tess. T-E-double S. Yep. No, I know how to spell Tess. It's one letter away from my name. Brazy Tess. Brazy Tess. Mm hmm. How do you spell Brazy? B-R-A-Z-Y. Flapjack Tess the Kid. That's the winner.

That's it. That's good stuff. Just so this is from rapchat.com. Just so that if anybody wants to play along at home. Hell yeah. Thank you so much, Flapjack. Flapjack T, the kid. The kid.

I'd like to thank from Springwood, New South Wales, it's Jack. Okay. Possible surname, starting with a B, Jack. Jack, Bernie Jack. Bernie Jack? Yeah. Yeah, that's good.

I don't mind that. Bernie Jack, you could even say Bernie J. Or Mike Drop Jack. That's good. That's great. That's good stuff. That's good. That's great. That's good stuff. Jack Pisces. Not Mike Jack.

Yo, yo, it's Mike. It's Mike Drop Jack. Mm hmm. Here to attack. I don't hold back. You coming for my pack. Yeah, but I'll go for your sack. Sack.

I'll cut you a flap. Oh, that sounds nasty. And your sack. sack, you don't want a flap there. The Mardis track. Etc, etc. We've written half your bloody album for you, mate. I better get a feat, Dave Wonky and Jess Perkins on there. Feet. Feet. I'd like to thank from another location unknown to us, Claire Noon. Okay. IRE Claire. IRE for Claire. unknown to us, Claire Noon. Okay. IRE Claire. IRE for Claire.

Thank you so much. Noon. N-double-O-N-E. Okay, let's go full name. Let's just see how we go. Crazy Claire Noon. That's pretty good. I don't know about that.

Claire Noon Swag. Claire Noon Swag. That's good. Even just Noon Swag is kind of good, actually. Noon Swag. King size Claire Noon. King Noon Swag. Claire Noon Swag. That's good. Even just Noon Swag is kind of good, actually. King size Claire Noon. King Noon Clan. King size Claire is pretty good. King size Claire.

What I was trying to say was King Noon Swag. I thought Clag maybe. Look, it's the end of the day. Yeah. We're doing our best. Thank you so much, Claire. I would like to thank from Fredericksburg in Virginia, urban America. It's Joanna Gregson.

Joanna. J-O-A-N-N-A for this Joanna. Let's have a look. It is generating Vito Joanna. Vito Joanna. I like it. I kind of like that. Joanna Gangster. I don't like that.

You can even add Vito Joe's pretty good. Joanna Slime. Vito Joe's pretty good. Yeah. I like that. Vito Joe Slime. Vito Joe Slime. That's great.

Sometimes it takes a little work shopping, but we always get there. Of course. We always get there. The rap name generator kicks us off and we just sort of slam dunk it. It's Ali-ooping us. Yes. From South Yarra here in Victoria, I'd like to say hello and thank you to Clancy O'Hanlon. Are you fucking kidding me? What a name! Clancy O'Hanlon. Clancy O'Hanlon. Clancy's amazing.

I love Clancy. Then you add O'Hanlon. Yeah, that's great. Clancy O. And I live in Melbourne? Yeah. Coolest city in the frickin' world. In South Yarra, pretty hip neighbourhood. great. Clancy O. And they live in Melbourne? Yeah. Coolest city in the frickin' world? In South Yarra, a pretty hip neighbourhood.

Ah, Clancy. Enjoy. This one's CEO Clancy Dash. CEO Clancy. Or Clancy Green. Or Schemann Clancy. Schemann. That feels like more of a country music artist. Yeah, yeah. Clancy Rascal is another option.

I've given you several there, Clancy. I like if you combine like CEO Clancy Rascal. OK. Yep. That's fine. That's what I'm putting in for. Cool. I would like to thank from Carson City in Nevada. Nevada. Referenced in Conair. Oh. Thank you to Sari Nichols. Sari.

Let's have a look. Generating, generating Supreme Sorry McLoughan. Sorry Supreme could be kind of cool. Sorry Supreme McLoughan. Sorry Da Supplier. It's always da something. Da something.

Trippy Sorry. Mm. Sorry Sanchez. There it is. That's it. There we go., Sanchez. There it is. That's it. There we go. Sorry, Sanchez. Sorry, Sanchez.

On the mic. And finally, I would like to thank from Durham. Durham in Great Britain. It's David crap to try not to laugh. Hard to know what I should put in. I'm just going to put in David, but maybe I could now I'm going to put in crap and shits. The email address is completely different.

So we're going to assume that is not somebody's actual name. If it is, you can change your name. You can change your name though. Dope crap and shits. your name though. Dope crap and shits or crap and shits dog. Sorson crap and shits or crap and shits the destroyer. We've got a winner. That's good stuff. Thank you so much to David Krapenshitz, Sari, Clancy, Joanna, Claire, Jack Tess, Sinead and Sonya.

There's none of the best if I've ever heard them. Those were some of the fantastic names. I loved it. Clancy O'Hanlon, you're joking. We've lost Dave. Final thing we have to do before we get on out of here for another week is welcome some people into the Triptych Club. Dave, do you want to explain what the Triptych Club is?

This is our Hall of Fame, our clubhouse honor roll where we bring in a few new people every week that have been supporting the show on the shout out level or above for three consecutive years to say thank you again. They've already had a shout out a couple of years ago on another episode, but to enshrine them forever, to go into the hall of fame, we read out their name, welcome them into our clubhouse, which is a theater of the mind, a hangout zone,

rock and roll club, arcade zone, bar, ballroom, ball pit. I zoned out and I've come back in at a crazy time. Bar, ballroom, ball pit. Yeah. All sorts of fun stuff going on there. Jess is always behind the bar mixing up cocktails, supplying a new, adding a new tasty treat every week. What have we got this week?

We've got the two pack cocktail. What have we got? It's an empty glass, but it's filled with conspiracy theories. I hand you the glass and then I say, I hear he's still alive. All right. Stuff like that. And then they take a sip and then maybe they hand it to someone else and say, I hear the moon isn't real. Correct. Moon landing was on a soundstage. No, that's crazy. Too crazy? The moon isn't real.

Oh. Please. Come on, not crazy. Can't land on something that's not real. Yeah, come on. There's a big light in the sky. It's just a big light. It's just a big installation. It's beautiful. I love it. I love it. So I love that. That's great. So a little conspiracy cocktail. I always book a band. Yes. Who have you got? I'm not sure if you remember last week, we had the Wu-Tang Clan.

Yes. Well, we had nine out of 10 members. Yes. Unfortunately, Capadonna couldn't make it. That's right. You're never going to believe it. What? Who's just walked in this week.

What? There was clearly a mix up in his diary and this week performing the hits of the Wutang Clan, but only Capadonna's parts. Oh, that's so embarrassing. I had to step in for him this week. And you actually did surprisingly well. I did great. But unfortunately, I'm actually needed to this week. And you actually did surprisingly well. I did great. But unfortunately, I'm actually needed to do a bit of admin at the back, so I can't

perform this week. So he will just have to stand and perform only his verses. And then in the 90% of the songs where he's not performing, just sort of stand there and wait for his bit. Okay. So that's a bit embarrassing for Capodona. That is a bit embarrassing. Well, turn up at the right time.

Sorry, mate. Check your calendar. Exactly. Everyone asked me to even... Wow. Old Dirty Bastard, who is at the right time. Sorry, mate. Check your calendar. Exactly. Everyone asked me to even... Old Dirty Bastard, who is dead, made it. Mate, Old Dirty Bastard was there. Not the first time we've had dead artists in the future. Absolutely not.

It's a magical place. So enjoy the musical stylings of Cappadonna. So I will play the role of Matt Stewart as well as the role of Jess Perkins. And by that I mean I will read some names, you, David, will hype them up. Yes. Then I will hype them up. Yes. Then I will hype you up. Okay? Are you ready? Yes. We have four inductees into the Tribute Club this week. First and foremost, from Athens, Ohio,

Chris Torres. What's the Torres? Chris? No, what's the Stores? Chris Torres. There it is. From Burlington, North Carolina, Lisa Viana. Lisa Viana. Have Viana a great time with Lisa Viana. Yeah. Make sure you have Viana. It's probably Viana.

From East Victoria Park in Western Australia, it's Andy Goldsmith. We've struck Goldsmith. Andy's here. And finally from Leeds, Leeds, Leeds, Leeds, Leeds, Leeds, Leeds, Leeds, it's James Harrison. James Harrison. More like, um, I'm really running out of steam this week.

Capodona, help me out here. James Flames Harrison Garrison. Oh, yeah. OK. Man, the Garrison. It's James Harrison. Fucking great stuff. Thank you, Capodona. Hey. Thank you. Hey, yeah. Okay. Man the garrison. It's James Harrison Thank you capitana. Thank you. Hey, we're a team. Yeah. Thank you to James Andy Lisa Chris Come on in grab a glass of conspiracy theories get ready for capitana to perform help yourself to whatever you want don't touch my a hockey table and

Apart from that, enjoy. And that's, uh, that brings us to the end of what we need to do admin wise, Dave. Do you want to just chat? Yes. Nah, let's get the fuck out of here. Um, I will just tell them that if you would like to suggest a topic, head over to our website, it's jugoonepod.com. There's also a link in our show notes.

You can find links in the show notes as well to our other podcasts, to our Patreon if you want to jump in there and join up, to all sorts of fun stuff. And you can find us on social media at dogo on pod everywhere. Do Go On Podcast on Tikitoki. Incredibly well said. Thank you so much. I speak for a living. Thank you. Can you believe it? Well, I don't listen for a living. What did you say? Hmm. It doesn't listen to women. Yeah. Not true. Not true.

Okay. I can't believe you won't get my name tattooed on you. That's such bullshit. What if I got Dave first? Would you feel guilted into it? Okay, if you got Dave first, you won't get Dave tattooed on you. Nah, I probably won't. Yeah.

But if you did, I'd consider getting Jess tattooed on you. It'd be pretty funny. At that point, I'd consider getting Jess tattooed on me. Fuck, imagine. And then people would go, is that your wife's name? And you'd go, no. No. It's just a girl I do a podcast with.

You're much more than that. I wanted that on the record. I tricked you. You fell into my trap. We'll be back next week and we'll let you know how we go with the tattoos. But until then, also, thank you so much for listening and goodbye. Bye. And Matt says, ladies. LATERS! July 14th. It's a treat for you and your wallet. From fleet management to flexible truck rentals to technology solutions. At Enterprise Mobility, we help businesses find the right mobility solutions

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