Do Go On - 450 - The East Coast West Coast Hip Hop Rivalry, Part Two

Episode Date: June 5, 2024

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Melbourne and Canada, we got exciting news for you. And we should also say this is 2026. Jess, what year is it? 2026. Thank God you're here. Right now, I'm in Melbourne doing my show with Serengy Amarna 630 each night at the Cooper's Inn Hotel, having so much fun. We'd love to see you there. Canada, we are visiting you in September this year.

If you've somehow missed the news, we are heading up Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal and Toronto for shows. That's going to be so much fun. Tickets for all this stuff, I believe, are online. And I'm here too. And welcome to another episode of Do Go One. My name is Dave Warnocky and there's always. I'm here with Jess Perkins and Matt Stewart. I'm the Matt Stewart.

And I'm also the Matt Stewart. Oh my God, not this again. Do you double book Matt Stewart's this week? Yeah, it's embarrassing. There's so many out there. It's a very common name. Yeah, it's a bit too vanilla. We're really good to be here, though, aren't we, Matt?

We're good to be here, Matt. Dave, do you want to explain how the show works to me and Matt? Oh, yeah. Well, for the 450th time, happy 450. Happy 450, everyone. Happy 450. I'll have it's only 50 weeks since we did the big 400th episode and just DJed. Very cool. That was really fun.

That was so much fun. And we've got to start planning the 500th episode, just putting that out there now. Jesus Christ. So I can remember to do that. Yeah. I'm thinking something big. What are you thinking? Skydiving.

Oh, okay. Oh, then we skydive. Okay. Okay, interesting. Or from Antarctica or something. International waters. Sure. Yeah, okay.

One of those is achievable. Maybe like a live just in front of an audience somewhere. In International Waters? I guess. Okay. Anyway. The audience of penguins. Spitball.

Have you got any ideas? Let us know. Five hundred, only 50 weeks away. But for now, let me tell you the show. What we do here is we're taking in terms of a report on a topic, often suggested to us by one of the listeners. We go away, do a bit of research, bring it back in the form of a report.

Now, we usually start with a question. And this is actually part two from following on exactly from last week's episode. I'd still like a question. Okay. My question is, how are you today? It's a trick question. Question. I'm the same every day. Bad. To the bar.

And Matt, you can steal this one? Good, thank you. How are you? Being, that's what I wanted to hear. What? I never want the truth. The one I asked that question. Oh, you wanted a polite answer. Exactly. Good thanks. The one that I'd give, which is good thanks.

Can I just get a skinny latte? That's usually how it goes, yeah. Yeah, good, thanks. How are you? Anyway. Had a clock here, when you're ordering a coffee. Actually, I'm having a shocker. Yeah. And they're like, oh, my God. Oh, God. I was just polite. It's more of that. Extended hello.

Anyway, so do you remember what last week's episode was? That's a question? That's it. See, that would be a good question because typically the answer would be no for me. Yeah. But pulling the curtain back a little, we just recorded it. We recorded it. Just before lunch.

So. Don't pull the curtain back. We recorded it one week ago exactly. This is going out live into your feed. Of course it is. That's exactly how it works. Okay. Do you remember what it was about?

What? The last week's episode. No? Okay. Our answer is no. Great, curtain. Well, and truly pulled back. We were talking about the deadly East Coast, West Coast hip-hop rivalry of the 1990s.

Yes, you introduced a lot of big characters. Shug Night. Yep. Yes. Biggie Smolls. Tupac. So if you haven't listened to that. Tupac's mom.

Tupac's mom was in there too. Afini. Go back and listen to that. Get sort of the introduction to all of these characters. Honestly, this could be a standard. the late episode because I'm going to do what I love to do and that is previously on dogo on. I used to love a previously on but now I don't like him as much because it usually kind of spoils what's going to happen on this episode. Yeah, but I'm a dummy and I'm like, oh,

eight weeks ago I wouldn't remember that that person wrote down the password in that notebook. So that clearly was important. Yeah, true. But also now we're binging stuff. So it's like I just watched it. Oh yeah. Skip, skip, skip, skip. I haven't forgotten. But you can skip if you are binging, but previous on the do you go on, we detailed the rise of Tupac Shakur on the West Coast of America and his East Coast counterpart, the notorious BRG, aka Biggie Smalls. The two started out as friends, but after Tupac was shot five times in a New York City recording studio and blamed the East Coast crew, disc tracks were written. People were booed at awards ceremonies. Snoo couldn't believe it, and tensions were riding high. So that's what we're up to.

By mid-1995, the East Coast West Coast hip-hop rivalry dominated the genre and the media coverage around it. That's actually a big part of the story. On the East Coast, the notorious BIG was working on his follow-up album to his best-selling debut, ready to die. Whilst West Coast rapper Tupac also found himself on the East Coast in prison in New York after being convicted of sexual abuse. Music-wise, he had released his third album, Me Against the World, which was a hit, topping the Billboard album charts, but he was still in desperate need of money for legal fees. I also read that he was not great at hanging on to the money that he earned even when he sold like a million records. Vanity Fair writes that he bought his dream car, a Mercedes 300, which was totaled in 24 hours.

So he went back and bought another one the next day. And when someone complimented the car, he gave them the keys and said, you can have it. So now he's in money trouble. Oops. Go find that person you gave a car to. Yeah, can I have that car back? Vanity DeFair also contends that a lot of his money was spent supporting an ever-enlarging circle of relatives, nearly 40 of them in total. So he needed money for legal fees, for his own lifestyle, and to support people that become to rely on him.

Because, you know, he's made lots of money. Yeah. And he said, I can help you out. And now, you know, he's running out of money. Because he really struggled growing up. Absolutely. So I think it probably would be hard for him to say no to his relatives. Of course.

Because he knows that they struggled just like he did. Yeah. And did you say that Biggie's album was called Ready to Die? That was the first album, yeah. Yeah, I guess that's comforting. Yeah. He was ready. He was ready.

Well, I don't know where this episode's going, but just in case anything happens. Just in case he dies one day. One day, yeah. We hope not. Shug Knight, the head of the LA-based Death Row Records, visited Tupac in prison and offered to pay his $1.3 million bail. whilst he appealed his conviction on the provisor that he sign with death row records. The rapper, apparently he brought in paperwork and everything and said, okay, I can help you out.

What you have to do is sign your name here? You work for me? I'll look after you. He agreed and was released in October 1995. Knight sent a limo to pick Tupac up from prison, which is, yeah, walking out of prison into a limo is, you know, quite the thing to see. Before this, Tupac had been solely on Interscope Records, which had a deal with Death Row.

I think Interscope was sort of the distributor for Death Row. But now for the first time, as the coastal rivalry was heading up, he was officially in the death row stable. Battle lines had well and truly been drawn. So let's do a quick recap on who's on each side of the feud. On the West Coast, we have LA-based Death Row Records, co-owned and publicly fronted by Shug Knight, along with, like I said, Tupac, Snoop. dog and also Dr. Dre, who soon left to start his own label, but he had been instrumental

in the death row and West Coast Sound, very influential. He loves sound. He loves sound. So I got into headphones. Just wanted to put that sound right near your ears. Yeah. Cut out the middleman. Yeah.

Before that, he had someone who'd whisper it to you. He'd whisper to them and they'd whisper to you. Yeah, yeah. And they actually had, their, like, appearance fee was insane. He was like, I'm just going to make some headphones. Yeah, the prototype was actually whispers by Dre and you'd pay Dre. Yeah. He'd come around your place.

Yeah. He'd say, oh, I want to hear, can you play some Bruce Springs? He's from a rose. Kis from a Rose. Yeah, exactly. It became increasing expensive. Yeah, well, it would be, yeah. Has he tried to expand?

Yeah, he had to have, like, you know, other Dreys. They weren't all doctors, like, depending on how much budget you had. Oh, my God. So you had a Mr. Dre. Yeah, Mr. Dre, which is confusing because sometimes I were surgeons. You had to pay a premium for Mr. Dre. Master Jay is pretty cheap. Yeah. Master Dre as well.

Master Jay. Master Jay. Mixed Master Jay was the real rip-off brand. Yeah. You go to school. You get different. You go to school and people say, oh, who's that with you? You'd say, oh, no, that's whispers by Dre. They say that, no, no, no.

That's Master Jay. That is not Whispers by Japan. That man is Master Jay. That's not Dr. Dre. Yeah. And they'd be like, oh, no, look. And he was wearing a Dr. Dre mask. Very embarrassing.

Yeah, yeah. So I'm glad, um, anyway, I'm glad they figured out the technology to get the muffs instead. Not muffs, are they? Headphones. Headphones. Thank you. Yeah, he probably does muffs too. Sure.

Muffs by Trey. So that's the West Coast. Then over on the East Coast, we have Bad Boy Records, which is so funny to me. Owned and confronted by Sean. Puffy Coombs with artist Biggie singer Faith Evans who also married Biggie

as well as the Biggie founded Junior Mafia and that included Lil Kim and Lil Seas which I kept accidentally writing Lil Caesar and then I realized that that's an American chain

of some description I believe Yes I don't know if it was doing a tribute to them or just completely separate but that's that's East Coast versus West Coast as well as being quite an astute businessman

Death Rose Shug Knight had a fearsome reputation in the hip-hop community and had active associations with real gang members. A prosecutor once described him as a, quote, one-man crime wave after his 1992 conviction of pistol whipping two rappers. Tupac described him too, he said, Before, people wasn't scared of me. Now I get respect because motherfuckers is scared shitless of Shook. Whoa.

So people were really, really scared of him. And that's why you guys keep me around. People swear. We've got no respect before you were here. No one would dare say something to me in the street now. I'll kill him. It's almost, there was like, there's all these stories about Shug doing things and that he always denies. But one of them in, I think, the Vanity Fair article that I'll link to is, um, it's like almost a scene from a movie.

Like, he's supposed to be this, he's a record executive, right? People would go in and do proper deals in his office. Yeah. So, so he's supposed to be this. He's a record. He's a record executive. So he works in an office. And the story is that one day someone went into his office

as he was like cleaning blood off the floor. And they were like, what happened? He said, oh, just a business dispute. So that's, which is like a scene from a movie. What the fuck. So, but he denies that happen. All the things of any vanity fear article. I spilled a coffee.

I spilled a coffee of blood. Jeez. Ice Cube, who was a West Coast rapper, formerly of NWA, but wasn't on the label, described Shug and Death Row as pushing it to its limits when it comes to affiliation with real gang-banging. They were associated with some really violent groups, and this turned out to be a recipe for things getting out of hand very quickly. On the other hand, Tupac had a very soft side. According to that same Vanity Affair article, even as he was glorifying an outlaw lifestyle for death row,

Tupac was financing an at-risk youth centre, bankrolling South Central sports teams, and setting up a telephone helpline for young people with problems. And giving away a car. Giving away a car. He was Oprah. You've got a car. And then he had to stop. I've only got one car.

Fuck. Still pretty cool, I guess. Yeah. Shit. I only have this single car. I should go buy another car. When the parents of a dying fan wrote to him and said his dying dream, the child was to meet the rapper.

Tupac flew to his bedside and asked for no press. When the boy died, he renamed his music publishing company after him calling it Joshua's dream. Oh. So, yeah. A complicated man, absolutely. As soon as he was released from prison, Tupac went to work at once, recording 14 songs within six days of his release.

But when he got out of jail, he was pissed, continually, publicly dissing the East Coast rappers for being fake and weak. Remember, he thinks that they organise him being shot. He dissed them on stage and badmouthed them in interviews with some really aggressive language.

And a lot of people have since said that he kind of momentarily him to lose his mind a little bit. There's a video of him giving an interview to MTV in New York, and he's standing there surrounded by his crew with Shug Knight and the other death row guys, and he goes, sort of ranting at their interviewer, we'll overthrow the government you all got right now, which is bad boy and Nas and all that bullshit, and we will bring a new government here that will feed every person in New York, and the stunned interviewer as Tupac is walking away just goes, all right,

cool man. He doesn't know what to start. What's your go-to breakfast? Okay. Oats? Should I just write down oats? Coffee? Do you drink coffee?

You don't drink coffee? Okay. Orange juice? Oates and orange juice. Okay, I'll write that down. As a journalist, I know how they think. Okay. You get it.

Rule 101 of interviewing. Breakfast. Rule two, lunch. Okay. Rule three. think dinner. No. Afternoon tea.

Okay. A little snack. It's a long break between lunch and dinner. Some of us need a little snack in there, okay? Rule number four dinner. Okay? Rule number five, dessert. Rule number six, get into somebody's philosophy on life.

If this time. But most importantly, what did you have for breakfast? Let us know in the comments what you had for breakfast. I had a little bit of cereal. That's nice. I had a smash dabbo. And Matt? Our porridge with raspberries. Wow, high flyer.

Yum, yum. Just frozen raspberries. Oh, okay. So the freezer. Medium flyers. Just loose in the freezer? You just put it, get a fistful from the freezer? No, they're in a packet.

Ah. Okay, high flyer. We're back up. Okay. Up in the blue sky now. Somebody's got packet money. All my fruits just loose around the house. One of my second favorite rap is packet money.

So, Dave shrugged. I don't know. I liked it. Oh, thank you. Sometimes you just say stuff. So, um, Dupac. Imagine if you took out all those things or where we just say stuff. These shows would be so short.

So short and boring. But what a theme song. And, you know, all those people that hate the show would love it. Yeah, yeah. No. Their biggest problem is when we say things. It really is. That's the consistent feedback.

They love the idea of the show that they have before they listen. Yeah. I love reading the topic and then go, Well, that could be interesting. Oh, no, they talked about it, though. Yeah. They suck. Nah, we're all right.

We're doing all right. 450, baby. So, Tuvac, he sort of, he's quite angry. Yeah. Coming out of prison. 14 songs in six days. Yeah. That's two a day and then some.

Yeah. And they're probably not that good, though. Probably a couple of days where he did three. Or maybe one day he did like six and then the others were slow. I don't know. But it's impressive. Yeah. Is that on the record, Dave?

Do we know what the split was? of songs today's or? Yeah, 13 on day one. Shit. Oh, okay, you really slowed down. Dude. Take four days off. The last 10 were terrible.

You were just saying things in the room. I'm looking around the room. I'm wearing headphones. Yeah, I had breakfast this morning. Yeah. They were like, parked. Oh, and the journalist, like, said him. I wanted more was it?

Yes. Please do it go on. Well, I've got you. Rule number two. What'd you have for lunch? Never interrupt a flow. I was about to say what color the carpet was. Now I'm done for the day.

Shock G, who was the lead vocalist of the group Digital Underground that had worked with Tupac in his early days. I believe they appeared with him in that movie that we watched the trailer of since last week of the Chevy Chase movie that was Tupac's debut and it looked so bad. And sometimes the editing of trailers doesn't do a movie much justice, but I think... It showed the whole movie. And I think the editors did. the best they possibly could with an absolute pile of trash, steaming trash.

It was so bad. It looked horrendous. Anyway, Shock Jee, who was seeing that movie. Nothing but Trouble was the name of the movie. Nothing but Trouble. Who was in that? And he'd worked with Tupac for a long time and helped him break through. He told the Netflix documentary series Evolution of Hip Hop that has a couple of episodes

dedicated to this period of hip-hop history. He said that seeing Tupac's new aggression and the way he spoke in interviews and rapped on new songs, he felt, quote, I didn't recognize my friend Tupac. Shukur. I didn't know him no more. He's a monster now. Wow. And then the show itself, in the VO, says that in a few years, Tupac had transformed from activist to agitator. What? And there was now a full-grown beef between West Coast and East Coast, and it was only going to grow in animosity and violence. So it seems like maybe beforehand it was kind of like a, not for show, but it was sort of half-hearted or like...

Yeah, not, yeah, but like, you know, rappers... do disc tracks a fair, a fair bit. Yeah. But he took them to the next level. Yeah. And then also in the interviews, just like really attacking. And it's like, well, dude, people are like, what's going on, man? Yeah, right.

You're okay? But I suppose from his perspective, he's been shot five times. Yep. Been in prison, stewing, thinking that those guys set him up. So he's pissed. Yeah. And multiple disc tracks were written on each side. Tupac insulted or threatened Biggie, bad boy, and its affiliates on

several tracks, famously on the track, hit him up. He absolutely goes for them with an absolutely savage song. Some people say it's like the craziest disc track ever. He names Biggie and a bunch of others like Little Kim, Little Cease, Puffy, Junior Mafia. He says he hooked up with Biggie's wife, Faith Hill, and some of the lyrics where he takes aim at Bad Boy Records include, Now, when I came out, I told you it was just about Biggie. Then everybody had to open their mouth with a motherfucking opinion. Well, this is. This is how we're going to do this. Fuck Mobb Deep, who are a duo.

Fuck Biggie. Fuck Bad Boy as a staff. Wow. Record label and as a motherfucking crew. And if you want to be down with bad boy, then fuck you too. He's going after the staff. Gladdy. He finished with a rhyme because, Jesus.

For a long time there, I was like, come on, mate. Maybe take it after Biggie and take some fucking poetry classes or something. Am I right? I know rhymezone.com wasn't around back then, but geez. Jeez, Laways. See, I just rhymed. It's that easy. It's that easy.

Park, come on. But when he was going after the crew. Like, oh, just make coffee. Exactly. Lorraine's just the receptionist. Yeah. You going after her? Fuck Lorraine.

Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. And she's been nothing but a delight. The rain, let the rain, the pain rain, something like that. You could have used that. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, I don't know if you're wrong. But it's a different type of rain. Okay.

One's la. And the other one's pain rain. Yeah. Yeah, no, that's true. Yeah. That's actually awesome. Thank you so much. Sorry.

I don't know. I just was in a negative mind frame. That was fucking the best. I'm actually on rhymezone.com now and it does work. Holy shit, that's good. He's very good. That's actually made me feel amped. Pain rain.

Lorraine. Pain rain. That's sick. Thank you for your support. Yeah. He's really, he's dancing to a rhyme. made several minutes ago. He's just, like, he's sort of just bobbing, and his tongue is sticking out, and he's just

really getting into it. That's just how about dancers. He's having a good time. His mallet's like, right, riding on his shoulders that are just popping up and down. Fuck, that's good stuff. That's nice. I do the rhymes, you to do the dancers. No, I'm just here.

I know you do the dissers. I'm a, I'm your rodeo slash dancer, which you talked about last week. Yeah. I started out that one. Wow, you're a great rapper. You really carry shit. But it worked out for him. So there were lots of disc tracks back and forth, and this soon translated into violence in the real world.

Snoop Dog's trailer was shut up during the filming of a video clip. Shug Knight and Puff Daddy attended, remember their enemies, a birthday party for musician Jermaine Dupree at Platinum House Club in Atlanta. Conflict between the two groups spilled outside the club, and Big Jake Robles, a close friend of knights and a death row blood, being the gang affiliate, was fatally shot as he was getting me. into a limousine. Shug Night came out and publicly blamed Puff Daddy for the fatal shooting. Wow. Then on March 29, 1996, employees of bad boy records and death row records confronted each other face to face after the Soul Train Awards in Los Angeles and a gun was pulled. Are you imagining like in a musical where two gangs...

Low-click at each other? Yes. I'm imagining some low-clicking. Yeah. Put those clicks. down. Bad, like the Michael Jackson bad film clip sort of thing. And I'm picturing like it's,

while they do different dance moves at each other. That's a dance off. Some cheer and, yeah, that's one picture of dance off. I didn't have to explain what dance off. There's a lot of dance offs. I was describing scene by scene a dance off and I could have just said dance off. Everybody knows what that is. Idiot, Jess.

It's basically a dance off and then someone just pulls a gun and just fires it into the air a few times. They don't bring a gun to a dance fight. No. Never bring it. Your weapon should be your dance. Your, you're, your moods. Yeah, yeah.

Let your body be the weapon. Yeah. If you're shooting from the hip, it should just be your hips. Yeah. Yeah. Whoa. Whoa. Oh, Maddie, you haven't warmed up.

I don't be careful with those things. Yeah. Oh. He's pulled a muscle. He shot himself in the hip. Oh. Yep. It's okay.

Walk it off. Walk it off. Oh. Oh, no. He's pulled a muscle. I popped a hip. Oh, no. At your age, that's, that might be, we might have to put you down.

Yeah. You're a race horse, yeah? Now is when you pull out the gun. Yeah, that's right. What was the famous, there's like a musical or something where it's like two teams. West Side Story. Who is it, Dave? Who are the two teams?

Jets. Jets and the, fuck, people are yelling at their rifles. Oh, was it Jets and Bad Boy Records? Yes, that's right. Crips and Jets. Is it West Side Story? West Side Story. Is it two football teams?

Jets versus Sharks. Sharks. There you go. Cronulla. Cronulla Sharks versus the New York Jets. Cronulla versus New York Jets. That's fun. East.

East versus East. Oh, yeah. I don't know where Cronulla is in Sydney, but I mean just in east of Australia. Yeah. Anyway, what the fuck are we talking about? What's going on? I'm talking about Cronulla. It's in the Shire.

Now, so violence is just ramping up. Someone has been murdered. People are pulling guns on each other at music or ceremonies is ridiculous. Rapper Exhibit, best known to me as the host of Pimp My Ride. Ah, yes. But before that, a rapper who had moved to LA and his teens said that the whole feud was media driven because it sold magazines.

Each side of the rivalry was put on the cover of industry magazines in an already bravado-filled genre. This did nothing to calm down the situation. No one wanted to back down. Yeah. I mean, look at the power of magazines today. It makes sense. Yeah.

A lot of blood. Magazines got a lot of blood on. its hands. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they don't care. They're just raking in the millions every day. Yeah. Those magazines. It's crazy. It's wild, yeah. I mean, I buy 10 a day. I can't get enough. I'm hooked on magazines. That's all I can, I can carry. Hey, Dave, could you do something as a rapper? Could you do something with the fact that, you know, you've got magazines for guns and also selling magazines, but also Pimp Your Ride Mag wheels. Can you maybe do averse around? That's actually pretty good. You can say mags for three different things.

Yeah, yeah. I'm on the cover of a mag, holding my mag, my Cadillac's got mags. Everyone would think, I'm mad. Yeah. Yeah, that's great. But I ain't. Yeah. I'm thinking straight.

I'm thinking straight. Fuck, this shit rides itself, guys. Yeah, I think it's such a great, I saw it. There was a clip of Eminem being told, you can't rhyme anything with some words like orange. He said, you can rhyme anything with anything. He's like, orange, borange for nor orange, col orange. Storange

But no, he just started Like manipulating words So they sort of rhymed I'm like Oh yeah That what Dave ran out before It probably was like If you heard it

It would make It sounds good Like you know Sort of their flow Whatever But when you're just You're reading it out You're like

This sounds ridiculous I know Look I never said that I never said it You thought it Yeah But never said it Yeah but you thought it

Yeah but you thought it Orange Mr Monorange My teacher in high school You know, exactly. Yeah. You've seen that clip. People say who, and then you just lie and say that they taught you seven geography or something.

Yeah. Mr. Minorange. Mr. Minorange. It's French, okay? You uncultured pig. Yeah, exactly. So, it's getting out of hand. By mid-196, Tupac had started dating Kadada Jones, daughter of music producer Quincy Jones, and actress Piggy Lipton.

sister of Rashida Jones Her older sister, you're right He asked her to travel to Las Vegas with him on September the 7th Where Mike Tyson was due to fight Bruce Selden At the MGM Grand He told her he didn't want to go But he'd promised Shug Knight That he'd go with him

He said that he'd go to the fight And then meet her at a party Shug was having Afterwards at a club that he owned downtown Love that, that's the kind of You know, Shug's got a lot of investments going at the moment To quote from Vanity Fair Kadata asked him, What do you want me to do?

to pack, knowing his fussiness about clothes. Pack only shrugged. She reached for the bulletproof vest he'd taken to wearing. No, he said, it'll be too hot. Oh. Doesn't want to wear a bulletproof vest in Las Vegas. Okay. He then went to the fight with Shug.

It was for the WBA heavyweight championship, and Mike Tyson knocked out his opponent, Bruce Selden, in the first round in one of the shortest heavyweight championship fights in boxing history, lasting just one minute and 49 seconds. Wow. How that's not a bad amount of time. No. That's actually quite a lot of time.

If you know what you're doing, that's actually, that's plenty. That's plenty of time. That's quite a satisfying time. I think seldom do great, actually. Everyone's enjoyed themselves at that one minute 40. Look, I feel like I've got my money's worth. I'm leaving satisfied. Last 30 seconds.

How good is this? Take them, we'll leave them. Yeah, exactly. I'll leave them. Yeah. Whatever. That's like sometimes you get into that third minute, you're like, All right, we're up. Let's write this up.

Let's round this up. And if you go 12 rounds, that's torture. Oh, my God. Who's doing that this time? No one. 12 rounds. You've got the time. I've got a job to do, mate.

The kids will be back soon. Can't keep fighting all night. The kids will be back soon. Where are the kids? Who's in the back in the car park? Play at the MGM group. Bruce Selden was quite embarrassed and he retired after the fight. And he did come back later.

but he didn't do as well. It was also Mark Tyson's final heavyweight title winning match ever. Anyway, that's the boxing match. I've never, I don't remember hearing that guy's name before. So I'm not surprised it wasn't an epic battle. I didn't know either. Never heard of him. That's the fight in the ring.

There was also a fight after that. Shakur and Shug Night had ties to the Mob Piru Bloods, a street gang from L.A., that often battle for territory with rival gang, the Crips. In July 1996, a couple of months before the heavyweight fight, members of the Southside Compton Crips, including a guy called Orlando Anderson, attempted to rob Tray Lane in a foot locker in Lakewood, California. That's a shoe shop.

Yeah, shoe shop. It's so weird to rob someone in a shoe shop. Foot locker. Yeah. I think that if you're going to rob someone somewhere. They've never met a footer. Can't fit. Yeah, but hang on, they're such good, like, shoes can be very expensive. Mm-hmm. Was this on a day where they were, you know, there was some new release? Oh, no, they rubbed a man from another gang in the footlock.

I don't think they even stole stock. No, but I imagine he just purchased a limited edition. He got the last one. One of a kind. And they were there, they said, oh, we'd also like a pair serve. Can I find, please? I'm also a size 11. And they said, oh, 11, we just sold the line.

last pair to this guy from your enemy gang. Oh, well, I normally don't like to do this, but I'm going to rob you, sir. Is that what happened, Dave? Is that what happened, Dave? I actually think it is kind of what happened. Jets versus Kronulla Sharks. And you're right that Trey was a member of a rival gang, the Mob Piru gang, an associate of death row records, co-founder Shug Knight. Oh, no. Trey Lane, who's a guy that was robbed, was at the fight with Tupac and Shug and their whole crew. And according to you, Fox 5 Vegas. After the fight, Tray Lane spotted Orlando Anderson, the man that had attempted to rob him, inside the hotel near a bank of elevators. And he pointed out to Tupac. That guy

tried to rob me a few months ago. Shakur then asked Anderson if he was quite from the South and punched him in the face, knocking him to the ground. Members of Shukua and Knight's entourage assisted in the assault, which was captured on MGM Grand Video Surveillance, and security guards broke up the brawl, but they basically jumped this guy and beat the shit out of him. Tupac then went back to his hotel where he told his girlfriend, Kadata, about the brawl, and he changed into some new clothes and left again, saying he'd see her at the club. He then went to Shug's mansion. Of course, he's got a Vegas mansion as well.

Of course. Which probably was next door to Mike Tyson's Vegas mansion. Of course. I know you love, I think last week you were talking about how much you love the name Warren G, but I think Shug Knight might be my favorite. It's really good, isn't it? I don't know why, but it's just so. Shug is awesome, but night, you know, sometimes.

Sometimes just a solid surname can back up a ritzie first name. Agreed. Shug Knight. Like Shug Jones would be cool too. Yeah. Yeah, you're absolutely right. How is Shug spelled? It's a S-U-G-E.

Yeah, it's like sugar. Yeah, I think maybe it's because when he was younger, that was his nickname because he was sweet or something. And now, still very sweet. His first name is actually Marion. Okay. Yeah, see, that's why, sometimes that's why a nickname is necessary. Marion Knight. Oh, my God, actually.

I mean, that sounds like, you know, a Hollywood heartthrob or something. Sounds like a Hollywood darling. Beautiful name for a boy or girl, Hollywood. So they went to Shug's mansion. They parted for a bit and then they headed to his club. Shug got into the driver's seat of his black BMW 750 and Tupac got into the passenger seat. Okay, yep, that makes sense that he didn't also get into the driver's set. He's padding now.

Yeah. He could have just made this all one episode, but. No, he's just padding. Yeah. And they put on their seatbelts one at a time involving stretching their right hand across their body. That's not fair, Jess. Maybe they were going to drive it like kids go down a water slide, you know? One.

What, Tupac was going to be on the pedals? Yeah. You're going down in a big train down the water slide. Essentially, like, sitting at each other's laps. Yeah, but just the head of the lap. Yeah, yeah. Just in front of them. Yeah.

But your legs outstretched outside of them. Hands around the tummy. That's true. They could have been driving. I'm glad Dave qualified. That's how I was picturing until we qualified it. Let me get this out. Clarified it.

They could have been driving like kids go down a water slide. That is true. That is undeniably true. It could have happened. So I appreciate that Dave actually took the time. No, I'm explaining where everyone sits in the car because it is actually a little bit important. Well, that's how we drive. Yeah.

When we go places Unfortunately he didn't do it We obviously don't He doesn't have to do anything But he's involved I get into the pedals Jess steeze She's the arms on the legs

Dave's the torso Which doesn't actually have a lot to do In driving Yeah Oh great We'll try and sit down Without your torso Good luck

Okay Okay It's important where they're sitting And so just to clarify Two pack is driving I'm just big No good girl's going to say that's not true I'm just saying a little bit cheeky

It's the other way around Shug is in the driver's seat of his car They've been partying a long time I really hope Shug has not been drinking Oh I'm sure Shug's been responsible Yeah yeah Packs in the passenger seat Yeah

Shakur's bodyguard Frank Alexander Later said that he was about to ride along In Knight's car But Shikua asked him to drive a different car Instead in case they needed Multiple vehicles later to return to their hotel With lots of friends

Exactly So they're being tailed by bodyguards But they didn't have any with them in their car Okay That seems like that would be fine. Oops. I can't see that that could end badly. Exactly.

Also, he's not wearing the bulletproof vest. Yeah, because it's too hot. Vegas is hot. It's the desert, man. It's hot there. You're right. Shortly after 11pm, Los Vegas metropolitan police department,

bike patrol officers stopped the BMW for playing music too loudly and failing to have a license plate. In Las Vegas. Okay, the license plate, sure. Yep. Playing music too loudly? How loud does a car stereo go? I think these guys have, like, extra speed.

is installed. When I was there last year, like, there were so many cars just doing blocks of the strip, just blasting, like you're hearing it from inside the buildings, basically. Like, well, you don't have it inside them, but on the beer gardens. Like, I can't imagine how loud it would be. The whole city's loud. Isn't that the point of it? Yeah.

It's like, oh, you're tone it down. This is Las Vegas. Okay. Have a bit of decorum. It's no nighttime. Okay? People are trying to. to get their eight hours.

Get their eight hours. Or play poker and they need to concentrate. Okay? A bit of shush, please. Yeah. Do you say a bit of shug? That's me. No?

No, I didn't. No, I didn't. If you turned down the music, you'd hear that I said shush. Shush. Sorry, are you talking to me? No. So they weren't pulled over. No, awesome's playing.

Being too noisy. Got it. Also, I can't say a certain, but possibly racism plays a part of this. Oh, yeah. I reckon that was probably a part of it. racism. Who were they being racist against? So they pulled over. They don't have plates. Plates were found in the trunk of the vehicle, which is like, guys, we need to put them on. And they were at least a few minutes later

without being started it. They can keep driving. Okay, great. Robert Sam Anson, writing for a vanity fair in 1997, picks up what happens next. They halted at another light seconds later at the edge of a dark, undeveloped area between the strip and downtown. A white Cadillac bearing California plates eased up on the passenger side. And as a pistol barrel eased from a window, a black man got out gun drawn. Tupac snapped alert and frantically he started climbing into the back seat. There was a fusillade of 13 shots.

One hit Tupac in the hand, another in the pelvis. Two more penetrated his chest. Then the only sound was squealing tires. So the car that's just pulled up drives away. So this time he's been shot four times. Yes, four times. Last time he was shot five. Yes, I think he'll be fine.

Yeah. Although, oh. We haven't found the number for him. Unless he's a cat, that makes nine, five and four. Fuck. Is he a cat? Is Tupac a cat? I mean, I don't think so, but then...

I mean, you can't spell Tupac without cat. Holy shit. Oh, my God. Cat poo. We might have just come up with the first conspiracy theory about Tupac. The first one that's true. Yeah, the first real. No, no, the only one.

Oh, the only one. The only one. But it's also true that it's the only one that's true. Yes. He was rushed to the emergency room. sadly he died from his injuries six days later with his girlfriend cadata and his mother Afini at his bedside at the time he was 25 years old I can't believe that how crazy is that 25 25 too young for the 27 club that's wild to have made your hugely influential career

and died before the 27 I was a shum in early 30s yeah 25 a baby that's I was thinking the other day about how young I was at 25 mentally. Like, I, I still don't really feel like I know what I'm doing in anything. But at 25, I didn't understand a thing. Don't they say like you're, your frontal lobes and fully developed until about that age? So, like, he's also, like, I mean, to the point where maybe you're stewing on things more than you should and you maybe think they're, people who are out to get to you more. I mean, the way you tell it, I think he's got a fair reason to believe that maybe he was set up.

Yeah. I mean, without knowing anything apart from what you've told us. But yeah, he was, he was angry, wasn't he? Yeah. Mm. And maybe, yeah, if he just got through that period. I wonder if, so if he had been wearing his bulletproof vest, because I would assume it wasn't the one in the hand that really got him in the end.

It was probably the ones in the chest. Two on the chest, yeah. But that was his lyric writing hand. Oh, fuck. Computers didn't exist. No, I don't think so. There was no other option. Well, I think they did, but they were as big as a room.

Yeah, and he keeps giving away rooms. Yeah. He'd get a room and then give it to someone and he's like, fuck, I don't have another room for my computer. My computer room. His murder officially remains unsolved, partly because no one wanted to cooperate with police. Shug Knight, who was obviously sitting next to him at the time, as he was shot, said, I don't get paid to solve homicides. Okay.

Yeah, that makes sense. Pretty cold, but yeah. I think that it's more like, I'll sort it out the way I sort things out. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, but yeah. A rapper named Yaki Gaddafi was riding in a car with the bodyguards and members of the death row entourage directly behind the BMW. He said he saw who fired the shots, but refused to cooperate with police. Gaddafi, who was only 19, was found dead from a gunshot wound in New Jersey, only two months later.

19. 19. Shit. Do you think it's because he was. saying I know who it is. I'm not sure. That feels like it. Yeah, could have been unrelated violence or it could be because, yeah, he knew.

Why say it? Yeah. It's like, I just want everyone to know that I know. Yeah. Just in case anyone wants a reason to... I won't tell the cops, but I'll tell everybody I know. Yeah. If anyone wants to silence me.

Wow. And there have been many, many, many suspects over the years. Fingers were pointed at Crips gang members, retaliating for the internet at the boxing match earlier in the night. Others accused Biggie, Puffy and East Coast Propey. representatives of orchestrating it. In 2002, Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Chuck Phillips, writing for the LA Times, published a large journalistic investigation. He presented evidence that the Southside Crips, a gang from Compton, executed the killing after Orlando Anderson

was beaten up by Tupac earlier in the night. According to Botanica, furthermore, Phillips posited in his investigation that Shaku's rival and New York rapper, Notorious B.I.G, provided the gun and had previously offered to pay the Crips if they successfully killed Chakur. What? His feud with the rapper had escalated such that Biggie had offered to pay the crips for $1 million for the murder.

Phillips article stated that Orlando Anderson used Wallace's 40-calibur Glock pistol to carry out the hit. So that's what this guy said. But Biggie denied that at the time that he had any involvement saying he was working in a New York studio on the day and night of the murder and many have said that he was genuinely shocked

and saddened to hear of his old friend's death. When asked about two, Pax's death and his alleged involvement. Biggie said, take a chance to know the person before you judge a person. That goes with anybody, not just me. Try to get the facts first. And he denied that he had any involvement. As a journalist, I'm all about the facts first.

Oh, really? You're a fact first journalist. Is that why you're not working in the field? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You were blacklisted. Yeah. I think now does you have to come up with a punchy title first and then just go from there. Yeah, click first.

Yeah. Details later. Yeah, no, about it. Just some pictures. Just some ads. Yep. Lots of ads. It's a good model.

Thank you. And I have to point out that not everybody agrees with Phillips' LA findings. Again from Britannica, Phillips' reporting was based on interviews with a series of informants who agreed to disclose their knowledge about the case in exchange for anonymity. While praise for its detailed presentation and logical structure, Phillips' LA Times investigation has been panned for its reliance on unnamed sources, particularly those who implicated two deceased individuals and whose

allegations have not been corroborated. Because the accused, the one that everyone said, he did it. Orlando Anderson himself was shot and killed in an unrelated gang shootout at the age of 23 in May 1998. Oh my God. These are just kids.

Yes. And you know, obviously... At 23 in 98. So if a couple of years earlier, he was only 21 at the time of Tupac's murder. When he got beaten up, that's wild. They're such... They're just little babies.

Yeah. And there have been many articles, documentaries and multiple books written about the murder, often with different conclusions. At the time, the news of Tupac's death was said to have visibly rocked the city of L.A., where he was a cultural icon. His mother Afini was interviewed by Vanity Fair in 1997 and said of the legacy of her son, he said, let me tell you the reality. My great-grandmother was a slave. My grandmother was a sharecropper. My mother was a domestic and I was whatever the fuck I was. That child changed things for all of us. His final album released with his creative input was released two months after his death under the name McAvelli. That was his another alias. It was called the Don Kilimanati, the seven-day theory, and sold four million copies in the USA and also received critical acclaim. Five more studio albums have been released since his death. Wow.

As he recorded prolifically in his short life, like we said before, he had 14 songs in six days, I guess. You can spread them out, four songs on an album. Yeah. And they kept finding different bits and mixing them up with different art. and other people do the chorus and things like that. There's a real cash cow for someone. Yeah.

Or do you think it's just honoring the legacy? I think that's usually what posthumous releases are about. Yes. Over on the East Coast, the notorious BIG was working on his sophomore album, which was due to be released on March 25, 1997. The album had numerous planned release dates, but Biggie was involved in a bad car accident in September 1996. that delayed finalising it,

he hurt his leg very badly in the accident and this actually caused him to walk with a cane. About three weeks before that release date, he travelled to LA to promote his upcoming album, which was called Life After Death, and to film a music video for its lead single, Hypnotice, which is one of his best known songs. It's had a billion streams on Spotify,

so it's still very popular. A billion? Yeah, a billion, yeah. What the fuck? The fuck! That's crazy. Now, of course, L.A. was enemy territory on the West Coast, and this is only six months since Tupac was murdered. A lot of L.A. was still a morning, and friends warned Biggie that he shouldn't go there because it's very dangerous place to be for him.

Yeah. Even if you had nothing to do with it, people blame you. Yeah. So, you know, don't show your face there. Yeah, whether or not you did it. I mean, you were, yeah, it's perception is reality in some cases. Exactly. Especially with people who are mourning, angry.

and have access to very violent individuals. Like, you just want to stay away from that. But he went anyway, and one of his radio interviews in LA, he told the interviewer that he'd increased security, not just because of recent threats, but because he'd become a famous person and needed more protection in general. I think it's mostly because he was scared

for people killing him. But he's like, oh, it's also because I just don't want people coming up to me anymore. On March 7th, Biggie, Puffy, and Brian McKnight presented the award for Best R&B-Sull single to Tony Braxton at the 1997 Soul Train Music Awards and Biggie was booed by some of the audience he responded by cheekily saying

What's up, Kelly? So cheeky. What did Tony Braxton win for? Best R&B Soul single? What was the single? Oh, I didn't write that down. Oh my God, Dave. You'll tell us where everyone's sitting in a car.

It was important where he got shot. Yeah. In the car. In the car. Oh, yeah. Oh, now that you've explained it. Oh, the song was Secrets by Tony Braxton. I also just looked up, because a billion seemed wild to me,

and so then I looked up like the highest stream songs. So many have had. The number one is blinding lights by the weekend, which has currently had 4.2 billion streams. It's crazy. It sounds like a blinded by the light. Yeah, that's the one. But do by a deuce, do shine a mother in the night.

Yeah, I actually, that song. That's the one. The Manford Man. version or the of the Bruce Springsteen original? Yes. Oh no, sorry, you said

the weekend. Is that right? What the hell? Sorry, actually, that was the album that Tony Braxton won Best R&B sole album, but the single was

You're Making Me High slash Let It Flow. Oh, yeah. You're making me high slash let it flow. You're making me high slash don't let me go. I'm having a good time

I'm feeling up high I want to do bit I'm I realize too late when you guys are giving me enough rope I was like yeah let him go he'll tire himself out eventually

he'll embarrass him soon oh no it's happening again so he's resented an award the next night on March 8th, Biggie and the Bad Boy Records Entourage attended an after party hosted by Vibe Magazine at the Peterson Automotive Museum in the Carthay Circle neighborhood of Los Angeles. It was a big party with over 1,000 guests. A lot of famous people there. Biggie's wife, Faith Evans, Queen Latifah, Chris Tucker, the Wayans Brothers,

Missy Elliott, Timberland, Timberland, Chris Tucker, Genuine. I've written the Wayans Brothers again, so even more brothers, Germain Dupree, Martin Lawrence. Wow. There's a new bad boy's coming out or out now. Is there? I saw a poster and the cinemas yesterday. What?

Yeah. Do we need more? Do we need it? Is it three or four up to? How many are we up to? This must be four, I think. Both of them? Both of them, yeah.

Oh. Are they going to reference the slap? Bad boy four. He's actually is a bad boy now. Wow, yeah. And he wasn't before. Yeah, that's right. But maybe that was it.

He went method. Method, man. Oh, my God. So, big party. A lot of people, they're also in attendance were members of both the Bloods and Crips gangs. The Los Angeles Fire Department had closed the party early because of smoking, loud music.

They hate music in America. They hate it there. And overcrowding and Biggie and his crew left about 12.30 a.m. In two green Chevrolet GMC Suburbans. Where was everyone sitting? going to tell you. Water slide style. How many of them?

A water slide. Water slide style. Yeah. Water slides are. Most of these cars, they just removed all the seats and they're just sloshing around. I love the word sloshing. Do you like it to describe being tipsy? Geez, this is a bit sloshed.

I don't mind it, but I think I prefer it in that kind of. Just like, because you picture like a tub that is sloshing about. Full slosh. Yeah. It's like when you're in the bath and you kind of like you push the water around and it sort of goes, Slosh, slosh, slosh. Or you picture, like, you know, in that episode of The Simpsons where there was like a pool on top of a bus or something?

Yes. I remember that right? Oh, yeah. Otto was driving and that was awesome. Yes. And that's sloshing around. Yeah, that's slosh and around. Yeah, that's slosh and work.

Yeah. In parks and rec, there's a limo that has a hot tub at the back of it. Now, that's sloshing around in style. Yeah, that's fun. So, I leave to attend an after party at record executive Steve Stutz house. Steve Stutz. She knows your name, Steve Stute. in the Hollywood Hills

Stude-Sut-Sut-D. Oh, Steve's here. Stid-D-D-D-D-D-D. Oh, good I see. Oh, Steve. Good to see, Matt. Steve, I wasn't expecting you here. Hey.

Hey, come on in. She'll be down in a minute. Who's he there to see? Your wife? He's there to be down at a minute. He's there to take your wife on a day. Yeah. Oh, she's just getting ready.

She's just getting ready. Come on in. You want to brusky, Steve, Stitt. I was picturing like a daughter going to the prom. No, no, no. About to be voted prom queen. Yes. Maybe my wife.

He's going on a date with Steve Toon. Steve Soap's an 18-year-old graduate, taking your wife to the prom. Steve's up. Guys, it's a little bit weird, but okay. Matt's wife is a babe. Yeah, she dreamed of being prom queen. And now she's going to... Oh, good luck, hon.

All right. See you that. Hey, better have her back by midnight. All right, Steve, Stu. Step, dude. Out. Stip, don't, right. That's a weird little.

little play we did. I liked it. I liked it too. I think we should option it. Yeah. Put a copyright on that. Yeah. Maybe we had some rappers to play.

Yes. Cops in it. Yes. I'm in. Here's one million dollars of my own money. Yeah, great. I was wondering who's money that was. Dave, can I borrow a million dollars?

Yeah. What for? I'm making a project with Matt. Okay. Who's going to be in it? Rappers. Oh, Steve Stute and the Rappers. Steve Stoot and the rappers.

That's a good name. That's fun. Rappers with a W. Stunt, Stunt. Stunt. Stunt. So they're going to Steve Stoots. Yes.

Sorry. Yep. Everyone's heading to Steve Stoots. The bonus episode we recorded after this is going to be it. That's going to be Steve Luce. It's going to be a little schloose. I might have to stand up the whole time. We're going to be sloshing around in here.

So they're going in the Hollywood Hills. Let me tell you the formation now. Please. Biggie. Traveled in the front passenger seat. Okay, so he's second in that. He's in the two-pac scene. Yeah. Alongside his associates...

He's second in the water slide. Yeah, he's gone second. Yeah. But you don't go first. See, that's someone else take the four. Sure. Alongside his associates, Damien D. Rock Butler, junior mafia member Lil Seas and driver Gregory G. Money Young.

Mm-hmm. Even your driver's got a cool nickname. Yeah. That's the world they're living. That's cool. But it sounds like he's in the cursed chair. Yes. They did say that's the most dangerous seat, don't they?

In a car accident? Yeah. Which one? Well, maybe backman. passenger, I thought it's mainly on there like. Drive is normally the safest drive. Because I think they go, oh, there's something coming up. I'm going to swerve away from that.

And then they swerve possibly into it with the other side of the car. Anyway, Puffy traveled in the other vehicle. So I should always be in the back seat behind the driver. If my partner's driving, I get to be chauffeered and then I might stay alive. Exactly. Okay, great. Sorry, please continue. So there's two of these cars, Puffie's in the other vehicle with Eugene, Gene Deal,

Anthony Tone Jacobs, Stevie J and driver Kenny Story. Stevie J, last week we were talking about the cat's primitial appearances. Is that the same Stevie J? Same one. Obviously he wasn't there in 94, but he played in the later ones. Yeah. Wow, CVJ. It just, I find it's easier to just go, yep, and then move on, yeah.

Also, I just had the thought, Bloods, that's the nickname of the Sydney Swans, and Crips is the captain of Carlton. So if they, maybe this year they'll play off in the grand final, or it'll be at Bloods versus Crips rematch. Something to think of something to think about. Have you thought about that, Dave? Why don't you think about that in the corner for a little bit? So, they're at the front.

Then the two SUVs were trailed by a Chevrolet blazer. A lot of these names. Carrying Bad Boy Records, Director of Security, Paul offered, and driven by an off-duty Englewood police officer named Reggie Blaylock. Who was played by a rapper. So they're in like a little, there's three cars. The streets were crowded with people.

leaving the party and Biggie's car stopped at a red light, the corner of Wiltshire Boulevard, and South Fairfax Avenue, just 50 yards of 46 metres away from the party, because that's how many people are out. It's, you know, gridlock out there. Two minutes later, a dark-coloured 1994 Chevrolet Impala SS drove to the side of Wallace's, that's Biggie's suburban. The driver of the Impala, a man wearing a blue suit and a bow tie, lowered his window, drew a 9mm blue steel pistol, and fired at Biggie's car with four bullets hitting him. Four's the unlucky number. Yeah, not good.

But I never knew. His killer was wearing a blue suit and a bow tie. Who are we all thinking? Oliver Clark. Previous guests on the show, that's his trademark look. Holy shit. The beautiful blue suit. Yeah, you're absolutely right.

Oh, my God. Did they say anything about him being a man with the burns? Yeah. Because that's also a way people have described him. Wow. Yeah. Was his fly done up? He was eating a beef strong.

I mean, this is for the deep cuts for the OC fans. Which is everyone. What a guy. Got a new album out. Check it out on Spotify. Great stuff. Anyway, he's been shot with four bullets. Biggie's driver drove him straight to the hospital where emergency surgery was performed,

but sadly he could not be saved. Wow. I was pronounced dead at 1.15am. Probably would have survived the first three shots, but his autopsy, which wasn't released for 15 years, showed that the fourth final bullet went through the rapper's right hip and had torn through his left lung, heart and colon, before going out the other side.

Bullets are crazy. Yeah, bullets are crazy. They are crazy. Holy shit, he speaks some truth sometimes, doesn't he? But you know, I was like, you could get shot in the leg and end up in your brain somehow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So wild.

Is that true? I didn't know that. That is wild. If you hit the right angle. There's ricochet around in there. You shoot from underneath someone. Yeah. And it just goes all the way up them.

I mean, it's unlikely, but it's possible. Yeah, right. There you go. That's amazing. But how do they know what order the bullets entered in? Well, I mean, they were in Las Vegas, so I'm pretty sure they called in Grissom from CSI. Uh-huh. They got him to do it all.

So how old's Biggie? Biggie was only 24. What? No shit. It's so young. I had him pegged for, like, mid-30s as well. But yeah, geez. And Biggie had a couple of kids, too.

Kids left behind you. I think the youngest was maybe two. Very sad. His son, he's got a son and a daughter. His son has also become a rapper. Oh, right. Maybe called, I don't want to say the wrong name, but maybe Lil Biggie or something like that.

Little Biggie, right. Little Biggie, C.J. Wallace, who is now 27, so older than when his dad was when he was killed, which is so wild. Like Tupac, the murder of the notorious B.I.G. remains unsolved. Again, Puffy and the others that were there that day didn't cooperate with investigators. And similarly, there have been. many theories and accusations made in books, documentaries, and newspaper articles.

The New York Times writes, A cottage industry of criminal speculation has sprung up around the case with documentaries, books, and a stream of lurid magazine articles implicating gangs, crooked cops, and a cross-country rap rivalry, noting that everything associated with Wallace's death has been big business. And yes, I do see the irony in pointing that out on our second episode on this topic. But there's even been a film I didn't realize this starring Johnny Depp called City of Lies released in 2021 about the investigation. Because there's been biopics both about Tupac and Biggie.

I saw the Biggie one or one of the Biggie ones. It was, yeah, it was great. And it's so funny that I saw that and still have been surprised by so much of this story that I'm obviously hearing for the second time. Wow. So young. I can't believe they're both so young. So young. Retired FBI agent Phil Carson, who worked the case for two years,

claimed to the New York Post in 2021 that Death Row Records founder Shug Knight financed the hit on the notorious BIG and that the execution was carried out by a nation of Islam convert and hired hitman Amir Muhammad with the help of corrupt Los Angeles cops. That's just one of many, many claims. We don't know for sure.

Lots of theories about it. Lots of theories. On March 18, Biggie. funeral was held in Manhattan and there were around 350 mourners. A lot of them, very famous people that you'll know. A lot of people came out to... Saline Dion. She was there.

Yeah. I knew it. You're right. Name a celebrity. Faith... Faith... This is what's the name? Faith Hill.

She was busy. Wait, Faith Hill? She was busy smalls. Faith Hill was there. Yeah, Faith Hill was there. Come on. Give me something for busy smalls. Busy smalls is funny.

Busy Smalls. Busy Phillips is that. Busy Phillips was there. Who was that other faith? The country pops again. Was that Faith Hill as well? No. Who was that?

Faith Evans. Faith Evans is the one. Yes, Faith Evans is the one. You confuse me when you said Faith Hill. People will be absolutely screaming. When did I say Faith Hill? Just then? Just then.

Just then. Oh, thank God. This kiss, this kiss. It's centrifugal emotion. been fantastic years. Oh, my God. Centrificial. I never knew that's what that was.

Because that's, yeah, that's in certain evaporative cooling units they use centrifugal fans. And here's the thing that I learned listening to a lot of rap this week. When they, some of their things, both on Biggie and Tupa, because they grew up poor, one of the, I think it's Biggie's song, juicy, singing about how growing up quite poor, birthdays was the worst days. Now he sips champagne on every day or something like that. But he also talks about blasting the AC. That's what they call AC.

Oh, you're right. I haven't heard of it. Both rappers include ACC. ACC, right. They blast the ACC. Did either of them reference government cheese, which we talked about? Not that I remember, but it's possible. Because I know that it has been referenced in music.

I think I said at the time. I just can't remember who. I was definitely listening. I mean, that was like four years ago. Yeah, but... I can't remember what we did today. He does have the cleanest penis penis. That's right, and we have to remember that.

He's got no government dick cheese. That's for sure. Jesus Christ. Well, I think that's all. We've got time for this. We've got to go out on that. We can't. How do you top that?

Surely there's nothing you have to say that's important. So, good night, Australia. We're doing an hour break there. Yeah, we're done. One of those lines comes into head and you're 50-50, like, should I just say this out loud? Of course you should have. Always say it out loud. The worst case scenario is we edit it out.

But the problem is it sounds like AJ doesn't edit out these things, the misses that we have. I trust AJ's instincts. Okay. I used to until people told me at the live shows. They said they enjoy it, but apparently he leaves a lot of stuff in where I say, please edit it. Well, it's hard. It's probably hard for him to tell what is joke edited out. and actually edited out.

So you need to come up. I'm never joking. You need to come up with code. I'm never joking. But sometimes it's funnier to leave it in. And AJ makes that call. Okay. Well, I'll leave it that up to AJ.

We're going to have a consensus then. Is government Dick Chee staying in? Yes. Okay. Yeah, that's staying in. Okay. There's only a little bit left to go, but 16 days after his death, Wallace's double disc second album,

Wallace being Biggie, was released as planned, originally titled Life After Death Till Death Do Us Part. It was shortened to, life after death. I would have kept it till death to be apart, because he's gone. He's gone.

But then this is his life after, this is the way he lives on. Nah. I don't believe in life after love. Well, the record by him public did. Because the album sold 690,000 copies in its first week, picking at number one on the Billboard 200

and eventually sold over 5 million copies in the US. Again, it was acclaimed and as heralded as one of the, best ever hip-hop albums and as some of his most well-known songs, including hypnotized that I mentioned earlier, and also mo money, mo problems. Both singles topped the Billboard chart,

making Biggie the only artist in Hot 100 history to have two number one singles posthumously. Wow. The final track of the album is titled, You're Nobody Till Somebody Kills You. That's how the album finishes. Wow. And also...

Well, actually, that was going to be the first song on there, but then once he died, they were like, fuck, maybe put that to the end, I reckon. You know, poetic. Very poetic. He loves poetry. The notorious BRG's champion, his friend and bad boy records owner, Puffy, was distraught over Biggie's death. And along with his widow, Faith Evans, not Faith Hill.

They released the tribute track, I'll be missing you on Puffy's debut album. And he finally got around to it. And that's the one that uses the sting, or no, the police. Yeah, sorry. But they didn't credit and they ended up having to pay so much. The chorus features a reinterpretation of the police song Every Breath You Take, but they didn't ask Sting's permission to use the sample. It was a huge success.

It's the first rap song to debut atop the Billboard chart where it stayed for 11 weeks, with shipments of over 3 million copies in the United States and over 1 million in both Germany and the UK, the song has become one of the best-selling singles of all time. And Sting's friend Elton John reportedly said to him, Have you heard I'll be missing you? You're going to be a millionaire. To which Sting replied, Elton, I'm already a millionaire.

Babe, tell me something I don't know. And Elton said, you'll be a millionaire twice over. And he was right because Sting sued and got 100% of the songs royalties. Whoa. So, like, he already had one of, like, I think the best selling song

of the 1980s with the original. And then this comes out in 1997 and is one of the best selling songs of that decade. And he gets to keep those royalties as well. 100% is high. I mean, the song isn't as, big without it, obviously, but I feel like he's done something to it to get a little... He talked over it.

Shouldn't he get something? Even so, Sting and Puffy have gone on to become quite good friends, so... That's nice. And also, Puffy's album, it was his best-selling one that sold like a million copies itself, and you had maybe two more number one hits and another couple of number two hits from that album. It was massive, so he did very well. How close to Friends is Sting with... Puff Daddy?

Well, a few years ago, when I was talking about each other in an interview, they said that they've become good friends. Okay. That's interesting. Yeah, government cheese. I can't find any references in either of their songs, but Snoop has referenced it a bit. So, yeah, a bunch of other big rappers, including, like, Public Enemy, Whitecliffe, Jean, or Wycliffe Jean?

Is it Jane or Jean? Jean. Is it Jean? Nah, I bet it's pretty funny. Yeah. Pretty funny to have you got this white. Can you do it with the whole thing in your friend? What,

Hewaffe Jean. Weird Al Yankovitch also referenced it. Oh, what's his parody of government cheese? What's he got it into? It's from... Government bees. Whatever you like.

He's very... The product, not a famous song, but parodying product. Chips, more like shits. Pretty good. He says, baby, I can give you anything you please, even share my government cheese. And baby, you can have as much as you like. I don't know what that. Do you know what song that's from there?

That is nice. It's from the song, whatever you like, but I don't know what that's parodying. Yeah. I'm sure the yank heads will be. and yelling and screaming at them. And we want to hear about it. And what about the feud? Well, on April 3rd, 1997,

key figures in the rap industry were summoned by Louis Farrakhan, an American religious leader who heads the nation of Islam. It was quite influential. He invited them to his Chicago-based ministry house for an in-depth meeting. The main thrust was to put an end

to the East-West rivalry. On hand were artists such as Snoop Dogg, the Dog Pound, Ice Cube, bone thugs in harmony, and Fat Joe, Fat Joe being the only one from the East Coast, Ice Cube letter said that people recognize that things are gone too far and eventually agreed to squash the beef. Hip-hop also,

but squash the beef, make some burgers. Yeah, maybe a bit of gum on with cheese. Hey, guys, let's squash the beef, okay? Okay. Enough's enough. Okay. Let's squash this beef. This beef, too big.

Too big. Let's wash it. Too much beef here. The beef has been squashed. I'd like to think it's like a ceremony where there's an actual piece of beef. Yeah, I hope so. And they all got one at a time and just hit it with a hammer or something. Yeah. It has been squished.

Everyone turns the clamp. Until the beef has been squished. The Weird Al song was a parody of T.I.'s song of the same name, whatever you like. There you go, Al heads out there. Probably, anyway. We used making up a song. No. I want to be dead.

Jess, is that the name of one of Biggie's albums? Yeah, and it came true. Hip-hop also seemed to move on a bit from gangster rap and G-Funk at this time, and Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg both left Death Row records to do their own thing. The man behind it all Shug Knight was in and out of prison in the late 90s, and the label began to decline, eventually filing for bankruptcy, though I believe recently in the last couple of years, Snoop Dogg has bought the label. Ah.

for much, you know, decreased price because it's not as successful anymore. Shug Knight himself is back in jail after he pled no contest to voluntary manslaughter in a fatal 2015 hit and run. Under the three strikes rule, he was sentenced to 28 years in prison. Whoa. It would not be out for a long time. And that was kind of it for a long time anyway. And that was kind of it for a long time. Both murders remained unsolved, but there was an update last year, 2023.

Whoa. That's recent. Yeah, Dwayne Keith, Keffy D Davis. Okay, I'm going to need that again. Dwayne Keith, and then he's nicknames Keffy D. Okay. Surname Davis. I'll just call him Davis from here.

Thank you. Was arrested for the murder of Tupac. The first ever arrest in the case. Davis has admitted in his 2019 memoir Compton Street Legend, which is, all right, mate, Jesus. I've never bloody heard of you, man. That he was in the passenger seat of the white Cadillac, And you've been wondering what position people were sitting in him. We know he was in the white, he was in the passenger seat of the white Cadillac that pulled up alongside the BMW containing Tupac.

And that the shooter, he says, was his nephew Orlando Anderson. Oh. The guy that Tupac and everyone had jumped at the MGM boxing match. Right. Davis was arrested for the murder in 2023. Not as the actual shooter, but prosecutors described him as a shot caller behind the crime. Right. And in his book, he actually admitted that he personally admitted that he.

provided the gun used in the drive-by. But made his nephew do the... But his son grabbed the gun. His nephew grabbed the gun. And it kind of seems like... Because he's talked about it for a while that he was in the car, like sort of shown off a bit about it. But it kind of...

I think the story is that if he hadn't have written the book, he would not have been arrested. Right. So by putting it in writing and saying, that was me, I was there, he's been arrested. It's a bit like, I think, when you rob a bank in certain jurisdictions of America, even if you're like the getaway car,

driver and someone gets shot inside, you can get charged for murder because you're part of the crime. So he's been charged because he was there. Yep. Because he had gave the gun. Yeah. There's no statute of limitations because that's the kind of thing that I would have thought he'd look into before publishing a booker. Yeah.

Get a lawyer to give this a once over. Yeah. Chats to him hypothetically. Yeah. Yeah. But his trial. If I did be in that car. That's right.

Weirdly phrase, but, okay, that's first draft. That's a crime against language, but I... That's where we get edited. Okay, it's fine. His trial. This is Davis was initially set to begin June 3rd, 2024, coming up next month. Really soon. But was later delayed to November 4th, 2024.

So we'll have to see if there are any updates on this later in the year. But he could be the first and probably only, because I think he's believed to be the only surviving person from the other car. Wow. So there might actually be someone who gets punished for the murder. Oh, that's right, because his nephew was killed. He killed a couple months later. At 23 or something.

Yeah. And is he still open about? Like, he's like, that was me, but he's going to try and argue that, but I didn't pull the trigger. So I guess because they haven't had the trial yet. We don't know what his defense will be. But yeah, he's definitely going to face at least the court. Wow. And I'm keen to look at, I hadn't heard of this movie.

Did you say a movie about the investigation? Oh, yeah, with Johnny Depp. Because there's also, it looks like there was a 2018, uh, true crime anthology series called Unsolved. Oh, yeah. That's what? Honestly, there's so many docos out there. I've seen straight out of Compton and Notorious. I think there's also...

I'm looking up Shug Night being portrayed on film. And there's like six different things where someone's playing in. A big character from this era. And I think the Tupac movie was panned. I haven't seen that, but it didn't get great reviews. Right. But the legacy of Tupac Shakur and the notorious B.I.G lives on both becoming mythologized figures and Titans of Hip-Up and Popular Music.

both are considered some of the best to ever do it. Rolling Stone and Billboard both named Biggie as the greatest rapper of all time, while Snoopak calls Tupac the greatest rapper ever. Tupac has sold more than 75 million records worldwide, and Biggie has sold 21 million albums in the US alone, not bad for a guy who only released one album in his lifetime. Whoa. And let's not forget, there's a burger place named after it.

Exactly, the ultimate tribute. Yeah, that would be interesting. there was, there was somewhere, was it that one or another chain that ended up getting basically told to knock it off? I feel like it was then, but I can't remember. Yeah. By the estate or something. Okay.

Tupac was inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame in 2017 and biggie was inducted himself in 2020. Rock and roll hall of fame. Yeah. Okay. That's not hip hop. They're one of the few. I think there's maybe 10 rappers in total or rap group.

that have made it into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. So they're that big, that influential, that they can influence Rock as well. Both flawed individuals, it's plain to say, but it's incredibly sad that they were both murdered in their creative primes at such young ages. Yeah, obviously, at our age, much older than them, it's sad to see, yeah. Yeah, and the older you get, you realize, God, that is so fucking young. That is so fucking young. I know, when we're 50, we'll go, 34, we were baby.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but it's... If we make 50. But that's the story of the East Coast, West Coast hip-hop rivalry. If you didn't know, no, you know. Wow. Well done, Dave. What a story.

Yeah, and you know that. So now I know, as you just said. I actually didn't really know anything other than that both of them were murdered and that maybe they didn't want each other. That was about it. Yeah, it's so sad they started out, friends. Yeah. And I only knew maybe two or three songs from each of them, really.

Yeah. And now you know the whole back catalogs. listen to the, at least the albums they've released in their lifetimes. Biggie's the same. I think there's been two albums released posthumously, and then maybe his wife did an album with some of his old recordings as the third one. And they both have greatest hits that I think are among the best-selling of that catalogue.

But, yeah, so many, so many songs that I was like, oh, this is cool. Actually, I do know this one. Yeah, yeah. The Berger Place I was thinking of in Melbourne got shut down. by legal stuff was college dropout burgers are like a Kanye West a yay one

but there, yeah, there is that feels way more like away from the source than literally calling a shop Biggie Smalls but yeah whereas it looks like the Melbourne owner of Biggie Smalls has sued a Gold Coast food truck called Biggie Smalls

Oh, Biggie Smalls cabs. Oh, come on. But this is eight years ago, so I don't remember hearing about that. There's also, I'm right, I'm interested in that there's a toasted cheese place called Ghostface Griller? Yeah, I think maybe in Perth. Or maybe that's a chain. But yeah, that's a fun one. That's a fun one.

I mean, it was my dream partly by the United States by you met to open up a burger shop called Krista Burger. Oh, yeah. And then Salably looked up there actually. is one in England, so I would be ripping off someone else's idea. Yeah, Krista Burger Down Under. What did some of the burgers be? They'd be the ladian red sauce on your fries. Matt, you're going to be so disappointed when I tell you.

Oh, that's right. We're going to call it. Don't pay the ferry mayonnaise. That's all condiments and then we just have like cheeseburger. Krista cheeseburger. Krista hamburger. Krista hamburger. Chris the Big Mac.

Remember we started singing, sausage and bread. Not really. You're going to be so pissed when I tell you. I think there's another one in England, but there's also a Krista burger van based out of Wrexham. We could have gone there. We were there. Oh, my God, we were right there. Sausage in bread.

We were singing that when we were in Wrexham? I don't remember singing that at all. No, not in Wrexham, but another time we just talked about Christaburger. It does feel good that we're ending this double episode epic on the East Coast, West Coast rap rivalry with some Chris DeBerg talk. The best eyebrows in the biz. Is he still going? or did anyone ever take a hit out on him. Oh my God, surely he's still going.

Our main man, Chris Deberg is alive at 75. Oh, yeah. Chris. Sounds like you were calling bingo. Deberg. Fish alive is 75. Anyway, let's move on. Dave, thank you so much for such a wonderful report.

Thank you for indulging me, everyone, in a double episode. You've made me, I'm going to be diving into a bunch of those. I do love a biopic or a biopi series, what have you call them. The love the Wutang Clan series. But yeah, I'm going to go back and watch some of these other ones I've missed from the two pack and biggie. Well, make sure to get yourself some lady and red sauce on your chips. Yeah.

Well, can I get some lady in red sauce and maybe a little don't pay the fairy mayonnaise as well? The only two songs is I know Otherwise I'd keep going You better believe I would And now it's time for everyone's Favorite section of the show We've lost Matt, we've kicked him out We've said get out of here, your dog

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As I mentioned, this is where people get to give, they give themselves a title and then they can give us a fact, a quote, a question, a brag, a suggestion, some money. No, they can't give us money But they already have given us money They have given us money Recently we had somebody give us a collection of words they liked I loved that That was so good

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Let me make that font a bit bigger. I'm wearing glasses these days. Okay. I would like to say, first of all, a big hello and thank you to our first cab off the rank, which is Michael Derizzi. Michael. And Michael's given themselves the title or the nickname of Old Man. Okay. Your word's not mine, Michael.

So Michael, you're also wearing glasses. I would call you a whippersnapper. Absolutely. That's what old people call young people. Yeah, this young whippersnapper slash old man is given. us a fact. And that is, and we never proofread these. No.

So that's why, if I sound bad, it's not me. It's not Dave. It's also. It's Dave's comprehension skills. Exactly. If I'm stumbling, you know, I haven't had a chance to prove it. This is from Michael. Hi, my favorite pod people.

Michael. Hi, Michael. I'm 33 and turning 34 on April 27th. Okay, you've just, you've turned 34 ages ago by the time this comes out. But at the time of recording, still quite a while ago. And 34, can we say that is not old at all? That's not old at all. How fucking dare you?

Because maybe, hypothetically, two people of this podcast might also be turning 34 this year in a couple of months. Yeah, they could, but that'd be incredibly young and beautiful. They'd be the youngest and the hottest. Michael, 234 and April 27th. I've never felt older. Yeah. When I was putting my underwear on about one week ago, my back went out. I fell to the floor and couldn't move at all.

It's brutal. It was the most pathetic I have ever been in my life, just laying there with my underwear around my ankles. My dog, Leia, must have thought I was playing. Because she got the Zumi's right. And it was no help. I love it when dogs get Zubis at bad times. You're like, no, please.

But Michael Rats, but what she could have done? I don't know, man. Why are you asking you? Anyways, Tata and farewell. Michael, I hope. Because we are recording this several weeks later after that. I really hope you're okay. Please, please, I hope you're okay.

But I do understand. I really hope he's still not lying on the floor. He's typed this into his phone. He could have used that valuable battery to call for him, but instead he submitted a fat quota question. Leah of this dog is just zoom it around. Going, Michael. Are you going to feed me?

Come on. I'll keep zooming. I do. I get that. I get that. And I know we, we, we, we, that. I said this recently. There was a conversation in our Facebook group of people being like,

hey, I'm somebody was like, I'm in my 40s or something. People older listening. And there was a huge range of ages listening to the podcast, which is so lovely. People in their 70s, 60s, 50s, amazing. And so I was sort of like, I'm going to stop talking about how old I am all the time. Because I know that's insufferable when people are younger than you were doing that all the time. Yeah. But I do think that sort of phrase, of like youth is wasted on the young.

I've never understood it more until I got into my late 20s, early 30s. And now, yeah, I... So you're not allowed to understand it when you're young, though. But you really don't understand how good your life is for such... It's such a short window where you can go out drinking all night and rock up to work in your retail job at 9 a.m. on Sunday, and you're fine. Two hours sleep, who gives a shit? On Tuesday this week, Aiden was like, I think I'm getting sick.

And I'm like, no, you went out on Saturday night. That's all it is. You're hung over still. I'm always amazed at the different stages of life, looking back like when I first started working for all time, I looked back at my uni days and I was like, what did I used to do with my time? What did I fucking do all day? And now I'm working and now I've got a baby. Yes.

It's even more, what did that? What did I do? What did I do when I was only working? Yep. And when I was only working, I was like, what did I do when I was only studying? Yeah, yeah. So it's just, I think it's just going to keep going like that forever, being less and less time forever. That's right.

Absolutely. It's ridiculous. I think about, because I worked in retail a lot, and I think about those Sunday morning shifts where we did start at 10. There was a later start, which is good. And we were all the same age. So we'd all be hung over starting. But you were fine.

Yeah, not really bad. You'd open the shop. Somebody would stay there because Sunday morning's always quiet. Somebody else would walk down to Mackers and get orange juice and hash browns. And then we were fine for the day. And now it's like, no, no, no, I was up past midnight. Sorry, I need to take the wake off. I am ruined.

It's ridiculous. My body hurts all the time. Yeah, but I'm sure that, you know, there's people in their 50, 60s and 70s listening going, you've got no idea. You don't know what's coming, your little shits. I'm sorry, but if we did know, then, you know, no one would want to get older.

They're going, you've only got one little baby. Just wait until you've got eight teenagers running around, you know? It's crazy. So, Michael, I get it, but we are young, okay? We're all young Michael and I really hope you pulled your pants up. I hope you have to. One leg at a time, buddy. Thank you for letting us go on that little rant too.

That made you feel better. I enjoy that. And finally this week, we've only got one more and that is from Jacoby Austin to Angel. Hi, Jacobi. Jacobi's giving themselves the nickname of burglar in brackets or expert treasure hunter of the podcast. Same thing, baby. Yeah. Oh, treasure hunter.

You're a burglar. One man's treasure is another man's burgle. As I always say. You've always said that. I've never understood until right now. He has always said it. And Jacoby's given a rare brag, which we love and encourage and think it's fantastic.

Love a brag. Bring it on. This is a safe place to brag. And Jacobi's here with, I'm going to go and try for the rare royal flush of FQQQ's fat quota questions, which is when you've done a fact. You've done a quote. You've done a question.

He says, I'll try to keep it as brief as possible, but they'll have to be out of order for this. to make sense. Okay. Bragg. Last time, I bragged that I would be getting my first tattoo. This time I'm bragging that I got it. I posted a picture in a thread on the do-go-on Patreon Facebook page if you want to check it out. In a thread? Oh my God. Have you seen this?

Well, there was a thread because I think it was Sophie. Chuta got, Chuta got released the slugs. And so there was a thread of... Sylvie, that was fantastic. It's so good. And then, you know what that made me do? It made me go back and watch the do-go-on- automation of release the slugs. And it's so funny.

That's great. So that's our Shackleton's Endurance episode, which is in the first 100 episodes, first couple of years of the show. People have said, because people said in the comments that like that was one of Jess's best, and I always remembered it being you really leading that joke. But watching it back, it is me leading it.

But you jump in so quick and you're adding to it and you're doing. I jump in and, and, uh, take over. Sorry about it. No, no, no. We're doing the same voice of just being this. It's so stupid.

funny. And now Sophie in the UK has a tattoo that says release the slugs. That's so funny that life has made that happen, you know? Yeah. Those weird things. Is that our first do-go-on tattoo? Oh, I'm not sure.

I can think of, definitely do-go-on inspired? I'm not 100% sure. Yeah, I think maybe, but I could absolutely be wrong. Okay. Anyway, sorry, we interrupted Jacoby. Jacoby, that's the brag. The quote is, quote, I was talking about you, and I assure you there is a mark on this door.

The usual one in the trade, or used to be, burglar wants a good job. Plenty of excitement and reasonable reward. That's how it is usually read. You can say expert treasure hunter instead of burglar if you like. Some of them do. It's all the same to us. End quote. This is said by the dwarf Glowen to Bilbo Baggins in the Hobbit and explains the tattoo of both my tattoo and title.

Oh! Sorry, explains the meaning. I don't have read that properly. You didn't. explains the tattoo, no, explains the meaning of both my tattoo and my title. Great. Then there is a fact. There is only one sketch done by Tolkien showing what the symbol that Gandalf

marked on Bilbo's door looks like, and in the movie, they went for something completely different, so my tattoo was quite obscure, even amongst Tolkien fans. Oh! Why would they not respect the drawing? Yeah, you dogs. That's weird. Movie people think they know better. Yeah, come on.

All right, the question is. Question, after getting a tattoo, I went back to episode 18 tattoos. Wow. We did a report on tattoos all as a year. My question for Matt is, did you ever finish your flame tattoo? I can answer that. No. No, he did not.

He did get a different tattoo, but he has not finished the flame. And for Jess and Dave, do you plan on getting more? I have not had any since and probably not. Well, listening back to episode 18, I didn't have any, and I now have four. And I'll probably get more. you'll probably get more yeah I was planning because I'm doing a bit of a US trip in the middle of this year

and I was planning on getting a tattoo in Vegas because there's a place that does $10 tattoos despite a lot of people saying that's probably not a good idea but I was like that'll be fine Is it just like a line? No they have like a certain like they've got a sheet of designs

they'll do for 10 bucks Have you seen them? Yeah Like a dollar sign or something like that that basic? No there was like there was a few that I was like yeah I could do that that could work

it's a bargain it's a bargain but then I remembered that after you get a tattoo you can't swim for a couple of weeks and I'm going to be touring around places with pools

well it just depends how much you like your 10 dollar tattoo you don't really give a shit about it like you don't mind if it gets faded are you trying to talk me in or out of the 10 dollar tattoo

I think I'm talking you in but yeah I reckon I'll end up with more yeah cool I keep adding to them I've always dreamt of getting a dolly getting a dolly tattoo that would be pretty sick

what if you got one either on your face or your neck you could just not go under when you swim. Smart. I usually don't because then you've got to wash your hair. Yeah, yeah, great. Tattoo your scalp. I'll tattoo my scalp.

Perfect. God, you're handy, Dave. It's so good we can talk this thing's true. I love it. Yeah, Jacoby, I've got four now and I'll probably have more. Yeah, great. And the suggestion is... Dave's going to get my name.

Yeah, well, if I can get it for ten bucks, I will. I'm not paying a dollar more for that. Would you get my name tattooed or do you think your wife would have an issue with that? I will let you know that the thing holding me back from getting your name tattered on me is not the price. What do you mean? Are you concerned that we'll have a falling out one day? Yeah, I'm up to crossing out and changing the Jets, the S-S-S to Dollar Signs. Or is it the fact that you are married and it would be strange to have your colleagues?

She's fine. She'd probably find it a bit funny. If we did have a falling out, how would you feel if I changed it? I just added sucks next to it. Oh, you could just leave a bit of, leave a space between all the letters and then just add a you in between the S's and then you got Jesus. Oh my God, that's so clever. That's pretty cool. So it's J space, E, space, S, U.

Yeah. Jesus. Jesus. They're like, wow, your tattoo was drunk. Yeah, they were. No, Jess was just a bitch. And the final one is... The thing holding me back from getting your name tattoo to me is not the price.

That's funny. I'd wait a dress that pay $200 to not get a ticket on. That's brutal. Wow, what a wait for me to? find out. No offense. I've already got Dave on mine. I got Dave and Matt on each butt cheek.

That's love. She won't show us that to prove it. I'll show it when you get it done and then I get it done. You're like, oh, I was only kidding. Fuck. She got me again. All right. And the final thing from Jacoby is suggestion, which is...

Of course. Sorry, Jacoby. We've really derailed. I suggest everyone who's thought about it should get a tattoo. It took me a long time debating if I wanted to get one and trying to think of the perfect idea. Now that I'm inked up, I wish I'd done it sooner, and I reckon I'll get a few more. Yeah.

Thanks, mate. I think a lot of people say they're addictive. And I think it's not that they're addictive. It's just that you, with the first one, you do think about it a lot because you go, oh, it's permanent. That's where my body's a blank canvas. I know. Oh, my gosh. Then you get the first one and you never notice it.

Yeah, and you realize, oh, this isn't that big a deal. It's not a big deal. They're kind of fun. And, yeah. But I do say. think about them for a while or don't get a tattoo that you really want at 18

and I know you think you'll want it forever but some of the stuff I wanted even at uni I'm so glad I didn't get You're very glad I'm so glad I thought about my first one for years

Can you think about any ideas you had previously that you cringe at I wanted K sarah sarah am I with on my wrist K Sara

Sarah whatever will be will be Great message Don't have to put it on your wrist. And I also wanted, it was going to take up most of my forearm here. It was like a sun that, and it had like beams coming off the sun, and then it had a moon and a star inside the sun as well.

That's not that bad. I was going to take up my entire forearm, though. That's a big one. It's big. I've just got four little ones. Yeah. I actually can't see one of them, so I forget about it all the time. And you're, huh.

Yeah. I see it in pictures and go, what's that? What the fuck? What was it? Oh my God. I put my arm up and I'm, what the fuck? Oh my God, there's a bug. There's a bug.

It's on the back of my arm, and so I don't see it. And I regret it because it's a meaningful one and I can't see it. The ones that don't really matter, I can see them all the time. Oh, no, I've seen that one again. Thanks, Jacoby for the Royal Flush there. Good stuff. Well done. Thank you, Jacoby.

And go get tattoos. That's my advice. If you want. If you want. If you want. Think about the first one for a while. Yeah, think about it. And I will say, think about where you get it done.

One of the reason I didn't go back is I've got one on my inner, Yeah. My bicep. Yep. Obviously, to show it off. And the hooves, because I've got a zebra, were quite painful down low. So think about where you're getting it done.

I've been told that that is quite a sensitive spot. I've been told that too, but I have it and it's fine. Okay. But also, I just have really fine text. I was being a dick for a bit. It was the shading. That would hurt. And they were coloring it in.

But also, I, Emma was and was even more of a wuss back then with pain. These days, I'm just to get my face done whenever. Yeah, who cares. Do a full sleep in one session. I think of a shit. I fell asleep. Yeah. So I had a really beautiful sleep actually.

Yeah, best of my life. Yeah, they do hurt. But whatever. Whatever. Whatever. Sometimes you just want to feel something. That's usually when I pierce my ears again. Oh, okay.

Yeah. If I go and get another ear piercing, just be like, okay, are you right? Since usually, I'm like, I want to feel something. Anyway, so... Thankfully they'll look good, thank God for that. Thank God. The next thing we need to do, after the fact of our question,

is thanks of our wonderful patrons with a little shout-out. Absolutely, so this is a part two episode. Yes. Last week, you did the rap name generator. Should we do it again? I think we should do it again, because it showed so much promise. It was so fun.

So if I give you the names... Rap name generator. I've got to find the rap name generator again. Hang on. need to find the right one. I've had to try a few. Okay, yeah, I've got it. So just for context, because this week we recorded the episodes back to back,

it was a bit of an epic session. So we didn't have time by the end of the, our studio booking ran out before we could do this Patreon, but that's why Matt's actually not here. As we also discovered, the next morning, I was very sick. Yes, Jess was very, you became ill, so ill that we had to take a week off recording because you needed two weeks to recover. I was sitting here recording these two episodes with a blanket over me

because I thought, that's weird, I'm a bit cold. Turns out that was a fever. Yes. And that fever didn't leave me for five days. Yeah, you were extremely ill. That's very ill. We're checking in on you and you were like, no, I'm even worse now.

Yeah, you're like, feeling any better today? No. No, actually. If anything, worse. I can't believe it. Yes, you were absolutely knocked around. I'm very brave is what we're saying. Exactly.

But we're reloading the rat name generated from a couple of weeks ago for us. And first up, I would like to thank from Queensland in Australia. It's Sonia. Sonia. We've only got one. Just your name, which is what you signed up on Patreon. Maybe your last name starts with K according to email, but just so you know, Sonia from Queensland, that is you.

This rules. Super duper Sonia the artist. But it's S-U-P-A-D-U-P-A. Oh, super-dupa Sonia the artiste. Love it. Or Sonia Pereer. I don't like that one. Sonia de First is another option for you, Sonia.

Sonia DeFirst is good. Next up, I would like to thank from Location Unnotes. own to us, so we can only assume it's deep within the fortress of the moles. It is, and I'm going to have a real crack here. Shanade, knee, Harritaine. Shireane. Shireane, Shirene. Shane.

That's a bit I was confident with, and I stuffed that up. Shannade knee, surname, haractane. What's coming up for the rap? Name generator. MC Shanade. Seriously? Or Chenade Flame. That's good.

That's good. What about MC Shanade Flame? Yeah, okay, great, yep. So, Shanae, it's really given up the rap name. MC. Chenet de supplier. That's good stuff. That's good stuff.

All right, next up, I'd like to thank another location unknown to us. And if you ever wondering, hey, why aren't they saying where I'm from? It's because when you sign up to Patreon for whatever reason, you've ticked, I don't want them to send me anything or I don't want to give them my address. Yeah. Fair enough, we don't need to know, but that's why. But it's your fault. Yeah, yeah.

We just had a couple people question it. Also, if we only ever say your first name, that's just what you've written your name. as. So thank you so much to, from location unknown, it's Tess. T-E-E-D-S. Yep, no, I know how to spell Tess. It's one letter away from my name. Brazy Tess. Brazy Tess. How do you spell Brazy? B-R-A-Z-Y. Flapjack Tess the kid. That's the winner. That's it. That's good stuff. Just so, this is from rapchat.com, just so that if anybody wants to play along at home. Hell yeah. Oh, thank you so much, Flapjack. Flap Jack Tess

The kid I'd like to think From Springwood New South Wales It's Jack Okay Possible surname Sunny Mother B Jack

Jack Uh Jack Bernie Jack Bernie Jack Yeah Yeah that's good I don't mind that

Bernie Jack Or Mike drop Jack That's good That's good That's great That's good stuff Jack

Yo yo It's Mike drop Jack here to attack I don't hold back you coming for my pack yeah but I'll go for your

sack sack I'll cut you a flap oh that sounds nice and you sack yeah you don't want to flap there is a Mardis track

etc etc etc we've written half your Blay album for you mate I better get a feet Dave Wonkiy and Jess Perkins on there Feet Feet I'd like to thank from

another location and unknown to us. Claire Noon. Okay. IRE, Claire. IRE for Claire. Thank you so much. Noon.

N-O-N-E. Okay, let's go full name. Let's just see how we go. Crazy Claire Noon. That's pretty good. I don't know about that. Claire Noon Swag. Claire Noon Swag.

That's good. Even just Noon Swag is kind of good, actually. King-Sized Claire Noon. King-Noo-Klan. King-S-S-Claze-Clair is pretty good. King-Size Claire. I was trying to say was King known swag. I said Clag maybe.

Look, it's the end of the day. Yeah. We're doing our best. Thank you so much, Claire. I would like to thank from Fredericksburg in Virginia, urban America. It's Joanna Gregson. Joanna. J-O-A-D-D-A-D-W-N-A for this, Joanna.

Let's have a look. It is generating Vito Joanna. Vito Joanna. Hmm. I like it. I kind of like that. Joanna Gangster. I don't like that. You can even have Vito Joe is pretty good.

Joanna slime. Vito Joe's pretty good. Yeah, I like that. Vito Joe slime. Vito Joe slime. That's great. Sometimes it takes a bit of workshoping, but we always get there. We always get there.

The rap name generator kicks us off and we just sort of slam dunk it. It's alley-ooping us. From South Yarra here in Victoria, I'd like to say hello and thank you to Clancy, Oh, Hanlon. Are you fucking kidding me? What a name! Clancy O'Hanlon. Clancy's amazing.

I love Clancy. Then you add Ohanlon. Yeah, that's great. Clancy O. And I live in Melbourne? Yeah. Coolest city in the freaking world. In South Yara, pretty hip neighbourhood.

Oh, Clancy. Enjoy. This one's CEO Clancy Dash. CEO Clancy. Or Clancy Green. Or scheming Clancy. That feels like more of a country music style. Yeah, yeah.

Clancy Rascal is another option. I've given you several there, Clancy. If you combine like CEO Clancy Rascal. Okay, yep. That's what I'm putting for. Cool. I would like to thank from Carson City in Nevada. Nevada.

Referenced in Conair. Oh. Thank you to Sari Nichols. Sorry. Let's have a look. Generating, Generating Supreme Sari Mcloven. Supreme. Sari Supreme could be kind of cool.

Sari Supreme McLaughin. Sari de supply. It's always Duh something. D' something. Trippy Sari. Sari Sanchez. There it is. That's it.

There we go. Sorry Sanchez. Sorry Sanchez on the mic. And finally, I would like to think from Durham. Durham in Great Britain. It's David Krapin-chitz. Davey Does I try not to laugh

Hard to know what I should put in I'm just going to put in David But maybe I could No I'm going to put in crapp and shits The email address is completely different So We're going to assume that is not Somebody's actual name

If it is You can change your name You can change your name though Dope crap and shits Or crapp and shits Dog Sourcing crappin' crappin or Crapid Schitts the destroyer?

We've got a winner. That's good stuff. Thank you so much to David Crappin Schitts. Sari, Clancy, Joanna, Claire, Jack, Tess, Shanaid and Sonia. There's none of the best if I've ever heard of them. Those were some of the fantastic names. I loved it.

Clancy O'Hanlon, you're joking. We've lost Dave. Final thing we have to do before we get on out of here for another week is welcome some people into the trip ditch club Dave, do you want to explain what the trip ditch club is? This is our Hall of Fame, our Clubhouse on a roll where we bring in a few new people every week that have been supporting the show on the shout-out level or above

for three consecutive years to say thank you again. They've already had a shout-out a couple of years ago on another episode but to enshrine them forever to go into the Hall of Fame we read out their name, welcome them into our clubhouse, which is a theatre of the mind, a hangout zone, rock and roll club, arcade zone, bar, ballroom, ball pit.

I zoned out and I've come back in at a crazy time. Bar, ballroom, ball pits. All sorts of fun stuff going on there. Jess is always behind the bar mixing up cocktails, supplying and adding a new tasty treat every week. What do we got this week? We've got the two-pack cocktail. What we got?

It's an empty glass, but it's filled. was conspiracy theories. I hand you the glass and then I say, I hear he's still alive. Oh, right. Stuff like that. Then they take a sip and then maybe they hand it to someone else and say, I hear the moon isn't real. Correct.

Moon landing was on a sound stage. No, that's crazy. Too crazy? Too crazy? Oh. Please, come on not crazy. Can't land on something that's not real. Yeah, come on.

Just a big light in the sky. It's just a big wall. It's just a big installation. It's beautiful. I love it. I love it. So I love that. That's great. So a little conspiracy cocktail. I always book a band.

Yes. Who've you got? I'm not sure if you remember last week, we had the Wu-Tang Clan. Yes. Well, we had nine out of ten members. Yes. Unfortunately, Capadonna couldn't make it. That's right. You're never going to believe it.

What? Who's just walked in this week? What? There was clearly a mix-up in his diary. And this week, performing the hits of the Wu-Tang clan, but only Capadonna's parts. Oh. It's Capiton. Oh.

Oh, that's so embarrassing for Capitona. I had to step in for him. This week... And you actually did surprisingly well. I did great. But unfortunately, I'm actually needed to do a bit of admin at the back, so I can't perform this week. So he will just have to stand to perform only his verses.

And then in the 90% of the songs where he's not performing to sort of stand there and wait for his bit. Okay. That is a bit embarrassing. Well, turn up at the right time. Sorry, mate. Check your calendar. Exactly.

Everyone else, man, even old dirty bastard, who is dead, made it. Mate, whole dirty basser was there. Not the first time we've had dead artists in the Chubhids Club. Absolutely not. It's a magical place. So enjoy the musical stylings of Capadonna. So I will play the role of Matt Stewart as well as the role of Jess Perkins. And by that I mean, I will read some names.

You, David, will hype them up. Yes. Then I will hype you up. Okay? Are you ready? Yes. We have four inductees into the Trich Club this week. First and foremost, from Athens, Ohio, Chris Torres.

What's the Torres? No, what's the Stores? Chris Torres? There it is. Bipo, bo, bo, bo, boo! From Burlington, North Carolina, Lisa Viana. Lisa Viana. Haviana, a great time with Lisa Haviana.

Yeah. Make sure you have Viana. It's probably Vienna. From East Victoria Park in Western Australia, it's Andy Goldsmith. We've struck Goldsmith. Oh, Andy's here. And finally from... Leeds, Leeds, Leeds, Leeds, Leeds, Leeds, Leeds, Leeds, Leeds, Leeds, Leigh.

It's James Harrison. James Harrison. More like... I'm really running out of steam this week. Capadonna, help me out of you. James Flames, Harrison, Garrison. Oh yeah, okay. Man, the Garrison, it's James Harrison.

Fucking great stuff. Thank you, Capadonna. Hey, thank you. Hey, we're a team. We are. Thank you to James, Andy, Lisa. Chris, come on in. Grab a glass of conspiracy theories.

Get ready for Capadonna to put up. perform, help yourself to whatever you want. Don't touch my air hockey table. And apart from that, enjoy. And that brings us to the end of what we need to do admin-wise, Dave. Do you want to just chat? Yes. No, let's get the fuck out of here.

I will just tell them that if you would like to suggest a topic, head over to our website. It's do go on pod.com. There's also a link in our show notes. You can find links in the show notes as well to our other podcasts to our Patreon if you want to jump in there and join up. to all sorts of fun stuff. And you can find us on social media at Do Go On Pod everywhere. Do you on podcast on Tiki Toki.

Incredibly well said. Thank you so much. I speak for a living. Thank you. Can you believe it? Well, I don't listen for a living. What did you say? It doesn't listen to women.

Not true. Not true. Okay. I can't believe you won't get my name tattooed on you. That's such bullshit. What if I got Dave first? Would you feel guilty into it? Okay.

If you got Dave first, you won't get Dave tattooed on you. Nah, probably won't. Yeah. But if you did, I'd be pretty. Pretty funny. At that point, I'd consider getting just tattooed. I can imagine. And then people would go, is that your wife's name?

You'd go, no. No. It's just a girl I do a podcast with. You're much more than that. I wanted that on the record. I tricked you. You fell into my trap. We'll be back next week and we'll let you know how we go with the tattoos.

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