Do Go On - 456 - The Murder of Albert Snyder

Episode Date: July 17, 2024

On the evening of the 20th of March 1927 a murder took place at the New York home of Albert and Ruth Snyder, what followed was an investigation and court case that gripped America!This is a comedy/history podcast, the report begins at approximately 05:49 (though as always, we go off on tangents throughout the report).Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodSupport the show on Apple podcasts and get bonus episodes in the app: http://apple.co/dogoon Live show tickets: https://dogoonpod.com/live-shows/ Watch Do Go On The Quiz Show: https://youtu.be/GgzcPMx1EdM?si=ir7iubozIzlzvWfKSubmit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/suggest-a-topic/Check out our merch: https://do-go-on-podcast.creator-spring.com/  Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] Check out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Who Knew It with Matt Stewart: https://play.acast.com/s/who-knew-it-with-matt-stewart/ Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasDo Go On acknowledges the traditional owners of the land we record on, the Wurundjeri people, in the Kulin nation. We pay our respects to elders, past and present. REFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:One Summer by Bill Brysonhttps://allthatsinteresting.com/ruth-snyderhttps://murderpedia.org/female.S/s/snyder-ruth.htmhttps://www.findagrave.com/memorial/102639881/albert_edward-snyder Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Melbourne and Canada, we got exciting news for you. And we should also say this is 2026. Jess, what year is it? 2026. Thank God you're here. Right now, I'm in Melbourne doing my show with Serenjai Amarna, 630 each night at the Cooper's Inn Hotel, having so much fun. We'd love to see you there.

Canada, we are visiting you in September this year. If you've somehow missed the news, we are heading up Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal and Toronto for shows. That's going to be so much fun. Tickets for all this stuff, I believe, are online. And I'm here too. And welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Warnocky and, as always, I'm here with Jess Perkins and Matt Stewart.

Hello, it's me, Matt Stewart, a ghost. Are you dead? No, that's my full name, Matt Stewart, a ghost. I've changed it by deed poll. How did you not know that? We all went with him to deed poll. Remember? Yeah, we were.

I also spit my voice in two. Is that also by Deep Pole? By Deep Pole. You've got to pay extra. Yeah. And while you hear, changing your name, would like to split your voice? Yes. Please.

You could pick any accent you like British, for example. Could I get my friend, Jess? He called me his friend. Yes. And it's on tape. She didn't even flinch. Play it cool, Jess. Okay, thank you so much for being here.

Thanks for everyone for listening. A pleasure. Thank you for being here. I thought the people who's listening for the first time, Jess. What would you tell them? I tell them. Your little pitch. What this show is.

Okay, here's what I'd say. If you're listening to the first time, where the fuck have you been? Hey, I hope that rock you've been under was really nice. Yeah. Oh, wait. Is that new listener Sandra Sully with the late news? An incredible reference.

No, actually, hello, we're very nice. And you're, you are welcome here. This is a podcast all about how my life off. Do you want me to something here? Yeah, I think. No, I can do it. Tag and tag. Tag.

I can do it. So one of the three of us, research is a topic, usually suggested to us by our wonderful listeners, which you are now one of, and we go away, we research, we bring it back, we tell it to the other two, we call it like a report, and the other two listen politely and never go on dog shit riffs. Yes. Why would we? That would be silly. If it was an option not to, of course we would. What are we? Comedians?

No, we're historians. Exactly. Don't look it up. We make that very clear in the descriptions of the podcast. Very clear. Yes, that was after a lot of time. people on YouTube going, get to the point. And I'm like every week, I'd specify even more that.

Comedy. Comedy. Yeah. Dogship Rift. Yeah, yeah. Tangents. Not for everyone. We're sorry.

Why are they laughing about this brutal murder? Well, it's a comedy podcast and also we didn't know about the murder because we didn't know what the topic was. That's right. Et cetera. I know what the topic is because I'm doing the report this week. And we always get on to the topic with a question. And my question this week, hands on buzzers. What decade

Dave's my buzzer though Has the nickname Roaring Ah, Jess! Ah, buzz! Sorry, let me buzz for you, Jess Yes? Yes.

Thank you Dave. The 20s. That's right. Yeah! Which, I mean, in the classic voice, how do they say? Ah, the rolling 20s. Yeah, exactly.

At the time they were describing themselves as the room. Yeah, from January the first. Yeah. They could tell something was changing. The winds were changing. Yeah, the wings were changing. Yeah. The wings were.

roaring. I read a bit of an article as I got distracted, as we always do when we're in researching topics. You go off on little things and go, no, I'm trying to tell this story. But there was this article that suggested that if it wasn't for the Great Depression, the 20s would be more remembered like the 60s, you know, like it was moving that way. Equality and everything was opening up. Women were getting, you know, more rights and whatever. And it was heading that way, but the Great Depression sort of sent everything backwards a little bit. Wow. And then, you know, took to the 60s.

But a lot of those ideas were already around at that time. That's interesting. I wouldn't have thought that. No, yeah, I was sort of surprised what they were as well. Well, it was one part of one essay I read, but it was on a university website. Okay. So I believe that. Mr. Academia.

I think that pretty much. I did a little shimmy when I said that. Oh, Mr. Academia. You know you referencing this one? Oh, Professor Matthew. Hello. Oh, Jess. I didn't know you were a flapper.

Something from the 1920s. Wow. Yeah. Dave wouldn't get it, but Jess and I do. We get it. Because we're, you know, we're children of the... Of the... Corn?

The corn. Children of the corn. Children of the corn. Children of the corn. We're both wearing yellow today. True. True. True.

I'm really hype. I had a coffee and now I've started to have a Coke. And Matt's had two coffees. I'm worried about him. I'm curious. Shit. But I asked for this one to be low calf. and they said, what does that mean?

You weren't like half strength. And they said, they said like weak. Yeah. And then we got a fun relationship with our local cafe here. You do. And she goes, oh yeah. And she goes to me, never order it like that again. Which is very funny.

That is pretty good. You never order it like that. It's weak. Wait, I'm being weak or? She said, no, the order say, weak coffee. Okay. I thought low calf sounded good, but. No.

It sounds stupid. I made a fool of myself. Anyway, tonight's and today's, depending on when you're listening's, topic is set in the roaring 20s. Wow. Let us begin. Okay, you're not going to tell us anything about it. It's just set in the 20s. Yeah.

Love it. I read something recently about the 20s. Oh, no. Dave goes on to explain this whole story. Anyway, Matt, what are you going to say? Yeah. I'm like, oh. Yeah, no, that was really well-called.

But he's just riffing it off the term we said. That was actually much better than anything going to written down. Yeah, nothing to add. Thanks for joining it. I guess we do the Patreon section. So on the evening of the 20th of March, 1927, Albert and Ruth Snyder slept in their house in Queens Village, New York City, after returning from a party at approximately 2 a.m.

Oh my God, party animals. They slept in the same room, but in separate beds. That's what they say. Are they siblings or spouses? Spouses. Separate beds. Okay. Yeah. I'm kidding, you, do you?

Whatever. Do you think it casts a separate bed if you push them together? Technically, is that still separate beds? I think a lot of hotels will sell it as a... As one, yeah. Even though, like, we can see the gap. Okay, okay. I think here's the distinction.

Separate beds, completely different sheets and duna cover, duvet, whatever, blankets. That's separate beds. Okay. Two mattresses push together. Yeah, let me fucking finish. two mattresses pushed together, same, like one big sheet over at one big blanket, that's just a double bed, baby. Okay. That's what I think.

About a little wall in the middle of pillows. That's just... Dave, are you asking us about your home life? Yeah, that's just a marriage in trouble. And what if you wake up and someone's smothering you with her below? Hey, Dave, would it be fair to say that you're just a couple of nights away from someone going to stay with their mother? I mean, the dog house. Literally.

And we don't have a dog house. I'm in the back out And the dog's in the bed The dog is literally in the bed So yes They slept in the same room But in separate beds All of a sudden

Middle of the night Ruth Snyder Was awoken by noises Coming from upstairs When she got up to investigate She found what she later described to police As a giant man

Who was standing outside the bedroom door There was a second man Who was not visible to her And the two men conversed In a foreign language Next thing she knows she's knocked out cold and doesn't come to for six hours. In the meantime, the intruders enter the bedroom,

strangling Albert, her husband, with picture wire, before giving him a knockout blow with something called a sash weight from the bedroom window. Do you know what a sash weight is? I didn't know what it was. As in like something that goes around the curtains? Yeah, it's like a little heavy weight. It's like a counterweight for sash windows.

Oh, okay. But yeah, it's just, according to the dictionary, It's a weight attached by a cord to each side of the sash of a sash window to balance it at any heart. Okay, I don't know what it is. Little weights, yeah. But little heavy things. I don't know what a sash window is. They look nice.

I looked them up, but I don't know. We're too young to know about these sort of details. We went here, we're cool. We went alive in the roaring 20s. I mean, I was, but I was, if you were, you know, if you remember the 1920s, were you really there? Yeah, you weren't doing it right. That's what I always said. What kind of 20s are we in now?

Oh, I don't know. I guess only history will tell. Maybe like the yawning 20s? Yeah, the snoozing. Yeah. Susing 20s. It was disappointing on January 1st. I did hope to wake up to welcome back to the roaring 20s.

But they didn't say it. No. So we don't know what to move. But this is in 1927. Yes. So maybe it'll take a few years to really get into the... Did you say snoring 20s? I said yawning.

Why didn't we say snoring? Fuck. Roaring, snoring. Fuck. Jesus. That is really good. Or just boring. Boring.

Oh my. Oh, my God. I'm into trying to yawning like an idiot. What are we doing here? I don't know. We're not very good at this. No. Talk about dog shit.

Riffs. That was a weird, yeah, weird emphasis. It was. Talk about dog shit. Little pause. That would make sense if, like, dog shit literally was it. Anyway, so. So, yes.

This is not good. No, it's not good. Can you say knock out, like, I'm not sure if you still, this man's alive. Strangle with piano wire sounds like, Strangle seems bad. That sounds like good night. Knockout blow is... Tea, he dead.

Yeah. I'm putting it softly, but they caved in his head. Oh my God. Okay. I didn't mean to put it in such full-on terms. Yeah, that was full-on. That made me a bit sick. Yeah.

They bludgeoned him. Bludgeoned. He was, yeah. Oh, that's horrific. Then the two assailants ransacked the house before fleeing with Ruth Snyder's jewels. They left very few clues of their identities. But this was in the days before fingerprints and DNA evidence. Something they did accidentally leave behind them.

was an Italian language newspaper on a table downstairs. Okay, now they were speaking of foreign language. I wonder if it was French. Are you connecting some dots? A lot of people speak French. It could be French. It could be French. It could be Spanish.

Spanish is actually quite a, you know, it's a big language. Or like, it could have been like Mandarin. Yeah, I reckon it might be man. Mandarin is the most spoken. Yeah. Yeah. So just like statistically, yeah. Yeah.

I reckon the Italian language newspaper was a red herring. Yes. Or maybe they'd use it to wrap up their red herrings and fish and chips. Oh, they're British. Yes. They love fish and chips over there. And when you're in America, everyone's speaking English with a British accent, it sounds like a foreign language. Especially if you've worked up in the middle of the night and you're hearing,

how you go on, guvna? What are you saying? Yeah, I don't understand. Water? What's that? Water. Woa. Water.

All right, let's go back slightly. So who is this victim, Albert Snyder? Well, it was born on the 11th of October 1882 in Kings County, New York. And he was just 44 years old at the time of his death. At the time of his murder, he was an art editor for the magazine Motor Boating. Okay. And that's a magazine about... I don't know.

Yeah, I mean... But he just covered it artistically. Yeah, that's right. Very tastefully done. Very tastefully done. A tasteful motorboat. Yeah. There's nothing better.

page after page of photos of motorboats. This magazine was part of the massive Hearst Media Empire, which seems to regularly come up on the show. But have we ever covered Patty Hurst, who was the kidnapped. The kidnap from... No. No, we haven't.

It's in the hat. People have definitely recommended it. I think I might have put it up to the vote before, and it hasn't quite gone through. For the newspaper, strike, did you mention William Randolph Hearst? Yes, that's right, yeah. Yeah. And it seems like it's a big family.

as well, I think. Many generations, like... No, it wasn't. I think it was A-10-00s. I think maybe it was the second generation already by the stage. The guy started it was earlier, but yeah. It's just a big hectic empire. Ruth wasn't his first love.

15 years earlier, he was heartbroken when his fiancé Jesse Gouchard died of pneumonia shortly before their marriage. I hope you made it very clear to Ruth that she wasn't his first choice. You are a runner-up. Just the way that's... She wasn't his first love. I was like, oh, okay. Still loves her, though.

You know, they're happy. Two years later, he met and fell for Ruth Brown, who became Ruth Snyder. They got married. Two years is okay. And according to Bill Bryson, who covers this story in his book, One Summer, which focuses on the American summer of 1927, and this book, it's a great book, and it covers so many topics we've talked about in the past as well. That's a pivotal year, is it?

Yeah. It was, yeah, I guess you could sort of probably turn a lot of years into, you know, if you focus in on things. Not 9094. Nothing happened. Name one thing that happened in 1994. Name one other thing. The Eagles won their second premiership. Okay, so only one thing happened.

Yes, but so the other, one of the other big things he focuses on is your man, the plane guy. What's his name? The plane guy. Howard Hughes? DB Cooper. Another one of your plane guys that Dave's on a... Mr. Concord. You might have done a double episode about it. You've done a lot of plane episodes.

Yeah, have. Not DB Cooper. No. It doesn't matter, but it's the guy who flew, broke a record. His baby ended up getting... Oh, Lindberg. Lindberg. Yeah, yeah.

So, Lindberg, like, as this story wraps up, America gets obsessed with Lindberg like a couple days later. And that's how... The flight bit or the mystery bit? The flight bit. Right, gotcha. Wow. Anyway, so this is from Bill Bryson's book about Ruth.

She was 13 years his junior and not notably attracted to him. But when, after their third or fourth date, he offered her a gumball-sized engagement ring, her modest defences crumbled. She later explained helplessly to a friend, I just couldn't give up that ring. Hang on, I need to do some math here. She's 13 years his junior. Yes. And his fiancé had died 15 years prior, and he was 44 when he died.

Yes, 15. I think I don't know, I might have mucked those numbers up, but I think she was like 20 when that, and he was 33 or something. Okay. She was working as a secretary. Yeah, okay. But yeah, she obviously, she didn't. In my head, she was like 12.

And I was like, what the fuck? It could have just given her a gumball, you idiot. It seems like. Don't waste a diamond on a child. But it doesn't seem like the ring player was a big. big pool food. He's just like, I love you. She's like, I love you too, ring.

Yeah. Just kissing a ring. I know people like that. They got married just four months later and moved into his house. He's worried she's going to get over the ring. Yeah. Yeah, I've got to do this quick. You still like the ring, right?

She's going to look past the ring and see him and go, oh God. Oh, that's right. Don't worry about it. But despite marrying Ruth and having a daughter with her, Albert couldn't get over his first love, Jesse Gouchard. It's fucking brutal. It's pretty grim stuff. That's awful. Called to a bio on Find a Grave by Linda Davis.

His wife claimed that she was her husband's second choice as the love of her husband's life died years before. Referring to Jesse, obviously. This reasoning was supported with him hanging a portrait of Jesse in their home, keeping memorabilious such as scrapbooks of their vacations and naming his boat in honor of her. Daily, he wore a lapel pin with the initials J.G inscribed on the back. And after their daughter was born, he spent his free time alone on the boat named after his ex-fiance. Right. Now, it makes sense why they're sleeping in separate beds because was he sleeping in one with Jesse?

He was sleeping, yeah, with the, what, the ashes of Jesse? In an urn. You stay over there. We're over here. That's full on. All of it's a lot, isn't it? That's therapy. Yeah.

I get a bit of therapy. You want to honour the ones you've lost, of course. Of course. You don't want to forget. But there's a respectful way to do that. And you don't have to marry two years later if you're... No. If you're not ready.

If you're not ready, yeah. And I sort of wonder, it goes like it's maybe a chicken or egg thing. Maybe if his new wife loved him back, maybe he wouldn't be so, he wouldn't be mourning the time when someone actually did love him so much. So it's her fault. No, no, I'm just wondering. I'm just wondering. And I'm just deciphering what you're saying. It's Ruth's fault.

Well, you can reserve that. See what you think at the end, I guess. Oh. But anyway, it does not sound like it was a great marriage. No. It's a pretty sad state of affairs, really. So the day after the murder, the New York Times ran a front page story headlined, Art editor is slain in bed, wife tied, home searched, motive mystifies police.

They're just like, this is a confusing, baffling situation. What's happened here? If I was walking past that newspaper, I wouldn't bother buying it because I think I've heard everything. You've told me everything. Quite a front page headline. Thank you so much. Great. I know that story for free.

I'll be keeping my five cents. Thank you very much. See you tomorrow. According to Bright... Well, if you did, you would have missed this. According to Bryson, the story noted that a doctor of Vincent Juster from St. Mary Immaculate Hospital had examined Miss Snyder, the Ruth. The examiner. Examined her.

And couldn't find any bump on her that would explain her six hours of unconsciousness. Indeed, he couldn't find her. find any injuries on her at all. Perhaps he suggested tentatively it was the trauma of the event rather than actual injury that accounted for a prolonged collapse. Oh no. But like, you know, you faint in fear or whatever. You're not out for six hours.

Yeah, but maybe it just becomes a nice sleep. Yeah. You can't awake up and go, I can't be bothered dealing with this. Say you fall in a nice nook. Oh, that's all. Yeah, on some nice comfy. You're warm. You got a little blankie.

And you're like, if you're thinking, oh, this. There's a giant around. I'm just going to stay asleep. I'm just going to stay a slim till I know the giant's gone. You know the feeling of coming out of a general anesthetic? Where you sort of wake up, but you're still kind of sleepy. And you sort of have to wheel yourself back to reality. Yeah.

No, no. Sometimes I'm usually fighting to go back to sleep. And the nurses are going, Jess, wake up. I'm like, fuck off. Oh, Jesus. I'm warm and cozy. Leave me alone. So at that point, the doctor decides to come around and tell you what they've found.

Hey, hey, you won't remember anything I'm about to say, but I have to go. So what we found is, blah, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man. You're like, did they say it was? It wasn't. Like, what's happening?

I was asleep. And then back to sleep again. They're doing someone else's surgery. And you never know what happened. And all you heard was man, man, man, man, man. Cancer. Yeah. And you're not sure if it was like yourself on.

He's just telling you his star sign. Yeah. Me, man, man, man. Buy a lot of tickets. I love when Matt and I race to a joke. But I don't know. That word means another thing That would be the shot sign

Could it be the tropic So yeah So this doesn't The police like Well this is a bit strange Yeah No bumps But it wasn't the only detail

That wasn't adding up for the cops As Bryson continues For one thing The Snyder House showed no sign Of forced entry And in any case It was an oddly modest target For murderous jewel thieves

The detectives Found it curious too That Albert Snyder had slept through a violent scuffle just outside his door, and the Snyder's nine-year-old daughter, Lorraine, in a room across the hall, also heard nothing. It also seems strange that burglars would break into a house and evidently paused to read an anarchist newspaper, the Italian newspaper, before placing it neatly on a table and proceeding upstairs. Right.

Oddest of all, Mrs. Snyder's bed, the one from which she had arisen to investigate the noise in the hallway, was tidily made as if it had not been slept in. Oh, come. Oh, my God. If that is a mistake, how stupid is that? Yeah, that's dumb. Yeah, I was asleep in that bed right there. Obviously, when I got up because I heard foreign men outside the door,

I thought, well, I'd hate for them to see my bed on made. It's a habit. You know, I wake up, I just make the bed. Yeah, autopilot. I might have even been out while I did it. You know, lots of people say that. They say, make your bed first thing in the morning. And I do.

It's a habit I have. You've started the day with a wind. That's right. You come back to your bed late in the day. You know, it's ready for you. Well, when the cops asked her about this, she was unable to give an explanation saying, Hobbs concussed, I don't know. As the detective is puzzled over these anomalies, one of them idly lifted a corner of the mattress on Mrs. Snyder's bed,

and there revealed the jewels that she had reported stolen. Oh, you dumb bitch. Your face told me that I'd gone too far there, and I do apologize. Hey, look. I do apologize. Hey, we just want genuine reactions, that's all. Well, my thought was, this poor woman's been framed. This poor lady.

How dare you. I stand by what I said. I just didn't like that I obviously, you know, Matt didn't like it. No, I think I loved it. I think I loved it. You don't understand my love face. I don't. Normally, I'm shocked.

I'm shocked by how much I love something. That's fantastic. That's why he gasps every time Dave walks into the room. I love him. Those eyes. I know. I'm used to it. Those eyes. See, that's a big, beautiful blue eyes.

No, it's obvious what's happened to you. Some Italian anarchists have broken into their house. Yeah. Been a little bit tired. Mm-hmm. I haven't gone fully upstairs. They've just sat in the lounge room for a little bit. They fit the newspaper.

Yeah. Put the newspaper down. Gone upstairs. She's come out, heard them. They've hit her. It's something she's been knocked out for six hours. A big man has come in and strangled and then bashed her husband. And then they've made the bed as an apology.

Yeah. And then they felt guilty and said, actually, the stones we're about to steal, you can have those. Okay. And we'll see you later. Here's a couple extras. Exactly. Have they checked?

Is there extras? Yeah, I don't even think they bother checking. Is there a tip? Lazy police work. Absolutely. The 20s. They don't police like that anymore. Absolutely phoning it in.

Let me turn. Let me turn. Let me turn. No. Shitty ones. The cities and the cans. So yeah, all pretty curious. Dave, I love your thoughts on it.

But the police went in a different. Oh, what were your thoughts? Dumbitch. Yeah, the police were more lined up with Jess. They, their focus turned to Ruth Snyder. They listed all the things that didn't add up, and she replied by breaking down and confessing the crime. Okay.

So she's been framed, and now they've made her admit it. Oh, my God, yeah, they're like, they're... It's a stitch up. Yeah. They're saying, you've got to admit to it or we'll kill your kid. Do you think they're in cahoots with the Italians and the cops? drink cahoots. Yes, and the giant man.

Yes. The giant man. Yeah, he was a giant Italian cop. That's what... Whoa. That's a big reveal. He's the connection between the two groups. Yeah, I mean, it's funny with these old stories where you hear different versions of it.

I did read some that she was tight-lipped till later. But, you know, I think she... One way or another, she admitted to it soon after. Okay. Been accused of it. But she said she did not do it alone. telling them that it was mainly the work of her secret lover, a man named Judd Gray.

She's a real piece of shit. You hate her. I hate her. I still think she's innocent. And Judd Gray is quite the villain name. Judd Gray, Mr. Gray. And but you remember, I mean, it's hard to know where the sympathies lies. The wedding, the marriage was pretty grim.

I don't know if this is the way out. Oh, true. Yeah, he was still in love with his dead, fiancé. But she did get a gumball-sized ring. That's pretty good. Good. But it depends. I mean, some gumbulls are smaller than others. How big, how big gung ball? Yeah. How long have they been sucking on it? Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. We want a fresh gunball. We want one of those novelty-sized ones. A super sucker. You know, when you could get those, it was a ring lollipop. Like the, the lollipot was like a diamond.

From the same brand that did push and push pop. Yeah, probably. You'd get them in like a, in a party bag or something. And you could wear it and walk around. Yeah. You could have slobber on your fingers. Disgusting and fun. Yeah. Now, that's pretty big, but I more tend to imagine in the 90s when we went to Sea World, my sister brought back a gobstopper that was like the size of a tennis ball. Jesus. And it was to sit on her desk in her bedroom and you'd lick a bit. That's very strange, isn't it? Because you can't put that in your mouth. No, you have to lick it until it got small enough to go in your mouth.

And I think it would take six months to eat this. That's crazy. When I said Super Sucker, what I meant to say was gobstopper. Neither word was right. But anyway. Gobstop is so deep. Dangerous. Don't give that to children. Do you watch the movie? What was it called?

But it was like murder was all based around this gobstopper stuck in the throat. Was it just called gobstopper? Yeah, I think it was. Maybe. And it was with like... It was sort of like a teen movie. Yes. And then there's a group of girls had to cover it up. Yeah.

Yeah. I have seen that. Jawbreaker. Jawbreaker. Godstopper movie. It was a jawbreaker. Is that what they call them? There's another name for the same thing. Jawbreaker isn't it? What a funny name. Rose McGowan's in it. Rose McGowan, that's right.

Anyway, so. Oh, fucking Judy Greer's in it. Judy Greer always plays a funny best friend. Judy Greer. You know Judy Greer. Is she from Arrested Development? Yeah. Oh, yeah, she's great.

She's so funny. She's so good. Eyes up here. Because she has in the rest of development, her nipples are point. That's right. Anyway, so Ruth Snyder has fingered Judd Gray, her secret lover. Hey, we've all fingered a lover. What?

The police The police have said We don't need to know about this That's fine That's between you and Judd We're asking about You and Judd and God So the police

arrest Ruth And then begin their search For Judd Gray Okay sure But who is this Judd Gray character Right And why she's so quick to turn Like if it's really your lover

Are you just not going to go down With a ship to protect your lover? Come on Ruth The problem is The ship is named after after her husband's ex. I don't want to go down with the picture. I've had enough time with this lady.

A portrait of her is in every room in my house. I don't need to go down with her forever. I have to look at her face when I'm on the toilet. It's weird. I'm going to put a framed picture of you on the back of my toilet door. I love that so much. So we're making eye contact. This one's for you, Dave.

And you cut out the eye hole so when Dave's ever around, he can actually just look. Yeah. I prefer that. Yeah. But in lieu of real Dave, I need to peek and you come over. Dave, I can't do it without you. Please, just this one.

You know what drives me up without having your eyes on me? That's a bit weird. That's okay. Okay. We can try again next time. There'll be a better joke next time. So, Judd Gray. Yes.

Judd Gray. Like I mentioned earlier, the marriage between Albert and Ruth wasn't a particularly happy one. They were not a good match, potentially because they were in different stages of their life. Albert wanted the quiet life of a middle-aged man, you know, he was into his towards his mid-30s by the stage. Yeah. He's old. He's old.

Anyone in the mid-thirties, disgusting. Disgusting. Into his 40s, you know, by the end of the marriage. Oh my God, 40s? It's over. And, um... Sure, at that stage, you just like, get the walker out and put me in front of TV and I'm in bed at 4pm. You know, like in your 40s.

Yeah. Uh, Ruth, on the other hand, she's in her 20s, and she wants to party. It's the 20s. The 20s. The 20s. Flappers. It's, uh, women are starting and get out there. And, you know, and flap.

And flap. You're in your 20s, in the 20s. You know, like a bird inside a library or a classroom. Yeah. They're panicking. They can't get out. Women. Always be panicking.

That's a classic Joss. That's a classic Joss Pockems. That's a classic Joss Pockens, Ben, who's my cover band comedian act for Jess Perkins comedy. Your tribute. Joss Pockens. Why, there's so many spoons. Why are the walls wet? That's another good one.

Always be panicking. I don't do it. There's no context. It's just bits and bits of things I remember. You're my biggest fan. You remember them more than I do. So, so yeah, they're not a great match in different place in life. Also, there's the fact that he refused to take down the photos of his ex-fiance.

Perhaps part of the reason he held onto the love of Jesse, though, I guess, is like I said, maybe he was missing the time that he was loved back, I don't know. If you're lucky enough to love a Jesse in your life, you hold on to that forever. Let me tell you. Jesse's love like no other. Really? Okay, they are a precious gift. Jesse's.

Yes. Do you get it? I do. Do you get it? Because it's like my name? Oh. Yeah, yeah. I was actually, I was talking about myself.

Oh, my God. So, so the marriage is dragging on, you know. Do you feel like this marriage is dragging on? God, this marriage is dragging. What's it been? Three, it feels like 30. Jesus, this is dragging. But yeah, they're pretty deep in there,

quite a few years in, when Judd Gray enters the story. Cordonne Bryson, Ruth took to going out alone. In 1925, in a cafe in Manhattan, she met Judd Gray, a traveling salesman for the Bien Jolie corset company,

and they began a relationship. No one's a traveling salesman. Every time a man is a traveling salesman in any kind of story, That's a lie and he has a secret family. Totally. Or you are the secret family. Yes, that is correct.

No. He is a genuine travelling salesman, but he also is married with a child when they meet. Oh, what, to be fair? So is she. I wasn't going to mention that first. I don't know. I'll talk about that now.

I'm so sorry. No, I love it. Because it's always, they always have a traveling salesman, but really it's just that they have a family. I'm going to get out to a job in Baltimore again. They have to have a good excuse to not be around for a little while. Jesus, there's a lot of sales in Baltimore. Yeah, for corsets.

But really their family lives like four suburbs. Yeah. So Gray wore owlish spectacles. He sounds like he was, or at least very much portrayed as a very meek man. Owlish spectacles, weighed just 120 pounds, and he called Ruth Mummy. Oh, yuck. Okay. What the fuck?

120 pounds. Yeah, let's figure out what 120 pounds is, sorry, because I'm seeing some owlish glasses and a meek man. Is I owlish? Those glasses are? This man's thinner than I. He's 54 kilos. Oh, that's your comedy weight. Yes.

I'm about eight kilos more than that these days. That's not a bad thing, Dave. I know, it is honestly. It's much healthier. Yeah, that's very healthy. I figured out my esophagus and I can eat better now. That's a healthy range to him. So, like, what the fuck is the point of having an affair with this meek little loser?

What? You've just said it looks like me. I didn't say that. You've just said it looks like that. Round glasses and a thin little meek loser. That's all we've said, and I said, that's you. Who would have an affair with you is my question. Well, I think some would argue.

That's hard to know why for sure, and if this is all exactly how it happened. But, like, she was sort of driving this relationship a bit more. It's how it's portrayed. And that could be her type. Yeah. It's just not my type. He is younger. I like a man's man.

Yeah, yeah. You like Albert Schneider, Motorboat editor. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. who sort of salks on his boat. I'd treat him good. He's aimed a boat after me. I'd look after him. That's nice.

So, uh, also, Dave, do you relate to this? He was also a Sunday school teacher, sang in the church choir. La la la la.

Fundraised for the Red Cross. And like Jess guessed, was happily married with a 10 year old daughter. He was not that happily if you're fucking around. Yeah. Oh, he's so happy. Uh,

what? He's a piece of shit. A tiny little piece of shit that I could probably throw. I could pick him up and throw him. Do you think he, do you think like Ruth saying he was involved? Uh, no, is my guess. Or yeah, no, I'm going to say no. I think Ruth's, I think Ruth's, she's evil. Because he's a very, he's a small guy. Certainly no giant Italian man. True. When police caught up with him, he was able to provide a watertight alibi, placing him 300 miles away

in Syracuse. In fact, he was still there at the hotel Onondaga Onondaga when the cops caught up with him when they accused him of being involved in the murder he was incredulous he wasn't a murder he'd never even received a speeding ticket

Never even heard of murder That's not the same thing What the fuck are you talking about Oh I've murdered before On the record I've done time But never sped Always leave the scene very slowly If somebody is accusing you of drag racing

And you say no that's ridiculous I've never even got a speeding ticket that is in the same realm That makes a bit more sense I think he's I've never even got a speeding to it What are you talking about? I think he's suggest

You know sometimes I say I've never even had a library fine I don't I'm a good boy I never do anything wrong Yeah like Dave Good boy And he also said and besides I've been at this hotel all weekend

And you know there's witnesses People have seen me You know ask anyone Ask anyone Hey have you seen this man I'm sorry I'm just checking in Okay fine ask someone else Anyone else here

Bad example. Okay. So the cops go, all right. Do you mind if we searched the room? He's like, fine. So they searched the room. I don't tell me they also found the jewels that were also under her bed. Somehow under his bed as well.

Yeah, they'd been moved. She quickly moved them in time. No, but the police found a train ticket that showed Gray had in fact gone back to New York City in time to commit the murder. Oh, what is these people? That's right. He left a key bit of evidence right there in his hotel room, waste paper basket. He's like, all right, get rid of that evidence. Rip it up.

Chuck it in a public bin. Yeah, don't take it all the way home. Like, he had to put that in his pocket. Like, leave the train, say, chuck it in the bin then. We got a couple of hapless crooks here. Was Albert Rich or something? Not particularly. What the fuck's in it for this guy?

I'm just thinking, you know, like, get rid of him, get his money. I'm thinking maybe that's the motivation. Because you're already married. It's not like you're killing him so you can marry her, unless you're going to kill your family too, which is maybe the plan. I don't know. What the fuck?

What's the motive for him? Yeah. Hmm. It can't be that you love Ruth. She sounds like a psycho. Well, when confronted with the ticket, Gray confessed as well. Cordonne Bryson, upon learning that Mrs. Snyder was blaming him for everything, he hotly insisted that she was the mastermind and had blackmailed him into cooperating

by threatening to expose his faithlessness to his loving wife. It was clear that he and Mrs. Snyder were not going to. to be friends again. Like from, they've gone like hot, passionate love affair. Jesus. As soon as they've been, like, their plan got foiled so quickly. Like, either within hours or a couple of days, depending on who you read, but they instantly are like.

It's off. He did it. And they're just pointing the finger at each other. It's a bit like how our friendship started. Yeah. Really hot and heavy. It's in the reverse, actually, because we were fingering each other. No, that didn't work.

I was meant to say that we started like we were accusing each other, but I accidentally did the fingering thing again, which made it weird. You keep accidentally fingering. What are you like? Came to yourself, man. Like, I'm just sort of gesticulating with my eyes. Oh, not again.

Oh, not again. So, yeah, this investigation was so, the cops arrived and they're like, this is confusing. Then so quickly the crime unraveled, and they're like, oh. This is actually really easy. This is quite an easy one. This is actually boring for us.

Yeah, I'm not really having to investigate much. It seems to be actually quite easy. Well, it was kind of novel. I'll talk about it soon, but things didn't get solved that much back then. Right. So this was pretty novel, and America soon became obsessed with the case. This is in part due to it being a golden age for newspapers, as well as the recent rise of the tabloid newspaper.

Apparently it had been big in England for maybe a couple of, 25 years or something. God, they do tabloids well. And no one had really thought to do it in America until a couple of guys from a big media family served time in England. And they're like, oh, these papers are really popular over here. And they brought them back. And they started one up in New York.

And then they became really popular. According to Bryson, tabloids focused on crime, sport and celebrity gossip. And in doing so, gave all three an importance considerably beyond any they'd enjoyed. before. This is what I found really interesting. I kind of always assumed crime would have been a big focus in newspapers. But a study in 1927 showed that tabloids devoted between a quarter and a third of their space to crime reports up to 10 times more than the serious papers did. Isn't that while? Wow. So before, like, tabloids really changed the game, according to Bill Bryson. It was because of their influence that the quiet but messy murder of a man like Albert Snyder could become national

news. So it's just a bit of a timing thing as well. You know, tabloids were selling so many copies that it became a point of concern for traditional newspaper publications. And according to Bryson, most of these, the traditionals, responded by becoming conspicuously more like tabloids themselves. Even the New York Times found room for plenty of juicy stories throughout the decade and covered them with prose that was often nearly as feverish. So now when a murder like that of Albert Snyder came along, the results, the The result across all newspapers was something like a frenzy. So they, it's just, they become obsessed with it, which is, yeah, it's all pretty wild.

This possibly had something to do with the fact that the perpetrators were so inept at crime that they were caught not only quickly, but at all. Yeah. Because like I was saying, that wasn't the norm at the time. Yeah. Like, so it was actually pretty easy to get away with it. They were just really bad. Yes, exactly.

How embarrassing. It's so embarrassing. I think that is, there is an appeal to the general public of hapless criminals. I mean, we, we love a hapless cook. Yeah. So, yeah, the fact that they've been caught so easily, just like the first sign of pressure, they've done a bad job of covering it up. And the first question, they just go, yeah, right, I did it.

Yeah. And I'll tell you who else did it. Yeah. So you can jail them as well. Because it's like, I think probably at both ends, it's the really mysterious ones, the ones where people want to crack it. there's all these clues and they can't figure out, you know, the Zodiac killer or the Jack the Ripper and those sort of things.

People become obsessed with that side of it. There was that murder in the hotel room and nobody could figure it out. Whereas this one, it's one of the rare ones where they're like, oh, we know the characters and we can go back through their life stories and we can, you know, it's like a soap opera playing out. Yes. Which is, you know, it's a, yeah, and quite a new thing at this point because newspapers would normally go all in like this.

But yeah, Braston sort of breaks down some. of the numbers about how crimes didn't get solved that much at the time, writing New York recorded 372 murders in 1927. In 115 of those cases, no one was arrested. Where arrest were made, the conviction rate was less than 20%. So about two thirds or so, a bit more, there was an arrest, but only 20% of those ended up. So it was like quite a small portion of murderers got done for it, assuming that they were correctly convicted. Yeah. Nationally, according to a survey made by the Metropolitan Life Insurance Company,

two-thirds of America's murders were unsolved in 1927. Two-thirds. Four. Chicago, in a typical year, experience between 450 and 500 murders, and managed to solve far fewer than a quarter of them. Altogether, nine-tenths of all serious crime in America went unpunished, according to the survey. Bryson also points out, it's interesting that the best data he

could find from that time was from an insurance company, not from any police records. They didn't even keep good data. So the fact that the killers confessed and then all the sort of details were there for the media to sift through, and on top of the fact that they were starting to realise that crime coverage helped sell papers meant that the media really went to town on this story. They just went all in. The case took up more space in papers than any other crime of the decade and wasn't overtaken until the kidnapping of Lindbergh's baby in 1935.

And I think it was a crime or trial of the century. Yeah. This was, and I'll mention it later, but this was also referred to as the crime of the century, even though it's kind of like a dull, not dull, but it's just like, you know, two people that no one had heard of. Yeah. It was a really soppily done murder and all this sort of stuff, but because of the attention it got.

It does sound a bit like if they had to shut the hell up, they probably still could have got away with it. Because back then they couldn't get anyone. or anything. Yeah. Just hide the jewels better. Yeah. Mess up your bed a little bit.

What the fuck is wrong with you? Get rid of the train ticket? Yeah, that one. Like, throw it out in the bin as soon as you get off the train. Nobody's going to find that then. Because they were in a time where no CCTV footage, no DNA, no fingerprints. You don't have to do much. You just don't have to tell on yourself.

Oh, so stupid. But anyway, I think it's good that murderers got caught. You know. I think that's true. Yeah, I like that. that that happened. I still think they might have been framed. Yes. Yeah. Like who's this silly? Exactly. It's so stupid that no one would have done it. Yeah. According to Bryson, a journalist named Silas Bent made a careful measurement of column inches and found that the Snyder Gray affair

received more coverage than the sinking of the Titanic. That's unbelievable. Isn't it? Because it's like one of these, the Titanic is still, will be forever, you know, world famous. Yes. Or at least, you know, in our lifetimes. Do you think the movie helped? I think the movie probably did help, but I'd heard of it before that. Yeah, still. And also, this is one person dying.

The Titanic's like over 700 people dying, all with different back stories. And a lot of famous people died too, very wealthy, well-known people. Yeah. And then people with family and friends on there, of course. It's amazing that this would have more intrigue. Yeah.

Because it just hasn't hung around as a big story, right? Yeah. Because I'd never heard of it. Did you either heard of it? No. No. I don't think it's particularly famous anymore, but I'll mention.

a bit later on that it did inspire a bunch of like crime fiction and stuff as well. But anyway, wild stuff. More coverage than Titanic blew my mind. That's amazing. So they were arrested and it all happened pretty quickly. They'll put on trial a little over a month later. Apparently justice was swift back then. Yeah, especially if you're like, yeah, I did it.

Yeah. Okay, I did it. All right. All the media coverage led to an almost festive atmosphere at the Queen's County Courthouse. Try to do it. It's, yeah, bizarre. Gordon-Obrison, 130 newspapers from across the nation and as far afield as Norway sent

reporters. Western Union installed the biggest switchboard it had ever built, bigger than any used for a presidential conventional world series. Outside the courthouse, lunchwagon set up along the curb, and souvenir sellers sold tie-pins in the shape of sash weights for 10 cents each. The murder weapon. That's fucked. Isn't that like

That's crazy When I said festive You're like Oh you're over You're over selling that Food trucks are turning up Food trucks and souvenirs Yeah

That's wild It's a festival People are doing bootleg merch Yeah Buy the murder weapon That's amazing So strange Here's the train ticket

You should have thrown away Oh Yeah Just really odd Everything about this story It's hard to get my head around. But there were so many people turning up to witness the proceedings during the three-week

trial that many had to be turned away. And apparently, rather than heading home, they'd just stand outside and just sort of like huddle around. You know, it feels like it's the World Cup or... Yeah. Or they watch it on the big screen. Yeah, exactly. I mean, there was no big screen.

Bill Bryson talks about it like they were staring at the building, just imagining what was happening inside. Just happy to know that they were near it. Hey, what do you think is happening in there right now? Yeah. People are so weird. But like, you know, you look at some of the things humans do and you go, we're like, we're so funny and silly and cute sometimes.

And then other times you're like, what the fuck are you doing? Let's just stand outside a building where something might be happening. Yeah. What are you doing? Go touch grass. I think about all the time you said to me years ago, you're like, isn't it? It's so weird. You made it the point about money.

It's like, this is just made up. We evolved from monkeys. and eventually we start saying, this paper means something. Yeah. And I always had that thought when I was at, over the summer, I was about to,

I was lining up to you on Dodgeham cars at a fair. I'm like, this is what we've done with our big brains. Oh my God, yes. So weird. So weird. I was, as I always think about this late at night.

I was just the other night. I was lying in bed and we were talking about whether we thought there was like, you know, life out there. And I was like, we can't possibly be the only planet ever to have like, sustained life and this is all we've done with it.

Like, we live in a little box and we pay all this tax and who the fuck thought of roads? And what are we doing? You know, I was like, this is the best it can be. That's so weird. Anyway, it's a great thing to think about right before you go to bed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just an existential dread of like, is this here. Living in a little box.

We've made it all up. Money's just made up. But we're bloody, we're bloody governed by it, aren't we? And it's just so funny to think like, You drive to a place to go and be in pretend little cars that bump into each other. What am I doing? Yeah. I could just crash into cars in my actual car.

I got here in a real car. It is strange. So it's like video games. Like, what am I doing? So much of me playing The Sims is me like. You recreate your life on the day. I regret it. My life all like every time I'm like, I'm going to do something crazy this time.

And then I always end up like they just, they find someone. They get married. They have some kids. They never go on holiday. They can, but they don't. Why don't you love them going on hold on? I'm too focused on them getting promotions. Yes, I mean.

Or like raising the kids because that actually takes a fair to work. This is just life. It's so sad. You can do literally anything. But isn't it funny that you left that kind of life yourself, but when you're playing a fantasy game, you're putting yourself back into it? Yeah.

Gotta get that. There isn't like a podcasting career on the Sims. So otherwise. But how many separate farming games do you? I was thinking about you leaving radio, but yeah, that's true. It's sort of this, you left even like before that. You're working in big corporations, but I guess Triple J is part of a big. Yeah, I had like, I had office jobs.

But there was, like, there's a ladder and you're like, I'm not going to do that anymore in all your jobs. And you're just floating around now. What am I doing? Basically in the bumper cars of life. But don't worry, the thing that ties you down is your Sims job in the accounting firm. And if they keep working really hard, they might not get looked over for promotion this time. They have to go home and play chess to increase their logic skill so they can get a promotion.

They're like, I just want to go to bed or go on a holiday. No, you must play chess for eight hours to get the skill up. It's very sad. But is it not more fun for you to go on holiday with them? Of course it is. No, you go with them. Oh, that's fun. You can go to the beach.

You can go to the snow. It's lovely. You can go on the dodrum car. Jess, can you go home tonight, give my fucking holiday. Yeah, please. They're trapped in the machine. What a sad life. Mine, I mean.

they're doing fine they're doing great so yeah so what would cause this breakdown in us people are standing outside of courtroom imagining what's happening in there

I'm back there everything's made up they're buying little murder weapon souvenirs and you know and a hot dog a couple of murders

in there allegedly I would have admitted it I got extra mustard wild If you were lucky enough to score a seat on any given day, and apparently like notable people from, you know, like aristocracy and the highfalutin and actors and all these sorts of celebrities would go in and sit in and watch the court cases. Nearly all the names I didn't recognise, but, you know, though I were... You want to be on a media list for that one. Yeah.

Hey, can you get me into that trial? What's wrong with you people? I don't you sit there. Well, you sit there, you take it all in, and then you're also rewarded at the end of each day. day. With a free hatpin. By being able to go up and inspect the murder weapons. So at the end of the day, the trial at the end of each day, everyone in there could

go, you know, form a line, go have a look. There's the sash weight. There's the wire. There's the chloroform cloth, which they was involved as well. What the hell? You do a little like, yeah, that's interesting. Little excursion. Yeah, it's sort of like, yeah, it's like a little museum.

What a strange time. But I mean, I sort of get it at the same time. Like, we're talking about it because it is interesting, but it's, I don't know. Sometimes it feels like it's distance that makes it less full on. It just feels like poor taste in back then. We got nearly 100 years of space, but. I mean, I am reflecting on the time that in Scotland we went to the anatomy museum just so we could look at a book.

We went along with you because you wanted to. I did not want to. I did not like that book. I didn't like that place. You wanted to go there, though. That place spooked me. I don't like it. There was an Irish pub around the corner, Dave.

I said, I'll meet you there. You'll come along right now, young man. We went to a cafe after that. Anyway, there was a book made of skin belonging to Burke and or hair. And I looked at that. And I did feel a bit weird about it. So maybe these people, these celebrities are also feeling the same thing. Like, oh.

I don't know what I expected to feel. Yeah, yeah. I do remember being like, hey, I guess that'd be interesting. And then getting there and being like, I don't like this place. It's weird. I don't like that book. That's gross.

But yeah, there's something fascinating about the concept. Yeah, of course. And then you get there and you think, oh. I mean, all of this, yeah, it's all very contradictory things where I'd be like, I feel weird about this. I feel conflicted. But I am also fascinated and, yeah, it's a, which I guess true crime stuff is so popular. Yeah.

Huge. Because they're just like a human interest in this stuff for whatever reason. Yeah. Anyway, let's get in. into what was revealed during the court proceedings, apart from what I've already told you, because a lot of the story I've told you did come out. The extra details I've been telling you about came out in the court proceedings. Sure. There are no big twists or anything, so let me tell you that straight up, but I'll fill you in on some of the extra details.

So as we know, Ruth and Albert were not enjoying a happy marriage. Divorce was legal and not even uncommon in New York in the 20s. All the same, Ruth decided to murder him instead. It was less paperwork. I'd kill you instead of, like, leaving the podcast. Okay. I'd just kill day. Is it because I'm the problems that you can get to keep going? Yeah.

Okay. Matt and I can be very happy without you. Yeah, I would never kill you there. If I had a choice, I would rather just leave the podcast and get murdered, to be honest. I would just, yeah, I want to go on the record and say that was a joke and I would never, ever murder you. Ever. Great. And Matt's silence is deafening.

You're going to kill us both. So, yeah, it was becoming more common. Like, it wasn't common, but it was coming a more common divorce. According to Business Insider, in the next couple of years, there are about 200,000 divorces in the US. So, you know, it wasn't like there's no way out of this marriage. It wasn't super taboo. Yeah, yeah. But, yeah, Ruth decided to go in a different direction.

Wow, Ruth, you know, she walks to the bit of her in drum. The plan really got going when she was able to get Albert to sign. You were talking about motor before. She got Albert to sign or some place is safe that she forged, but a life insurance policy with a double indemnity clause. This is a term I've heard a bit. We never knew what it meant, but apparently, do you know what it means? No. Yeah, but please tell me.

For the listeners who may not know. It's basically, it's a lot. So when a life insurance policy will pay out twice the value if the death results from an unnatural or accidental death or murder type death rather than a health problem, that's what a double indemnity is. is. So in this case, it would have paid out if he died, you know, of natural causes, it would have paid out 48 grand, but the double indemnity clause meant it would pay out nearly 100 grand. If it was murder. If it was murder, say, or, you know, he fell off a cliff or whatever. That's a really, really bad model. What a strange model. To include murder. Yeah, that's right. But then I suppose, yeah, if he's murdered by someone else.

Yeah, stranger or whatever, that is why it makes sense. Or he does fall off a cliff or get hit. by a train or something. Yeah. But why double anyway? Why double? Just you can make it a bit more. But either way is it, I mean, is that paying extra for the extra trauma or? I don't know.

Hmm. It's interesting. Yeah, it's not, it feels not super thought through. I guess it's because it's like, they look at the maths of it all and go, well, most people die from a health condition. Not that many people on paper get murdered or fall off a cliff so they can afford to pay out more for those sort of things. And they charge more for that premium.

And if you know, like, well, If I'm going to die of a health thing, it's probably when I'm 75 years old, so I don't need to provide for my family. But if I get murdered, I could be, you know, 36 or whatever he was. Yeah, 44. So I need to keep, I need to pay a bit more. And they've got a nine-year-old. You know, you want to make sure the kid's okay.

It does feel, I'm hoping that there's some sort of clause where if you are found to be the murderer, you don't get the money. That is correct, yes. Okay, great, because that would really otherwise be a bit dodgy. But still, you would go for like contract killers and hope that doesn't come back to you and stuff. Like, there's other ways. Oh, bully.

It's funny, there was a bit of a hit, maybe on Netflix, like a Netflix movie about a hitman, maybe called Hitman. Yes. And in the promotion of that, though, maybe the actor or someone was talking about it, like, they don't really exist in the real world, hitman, which I'm like, is that true? Yeah. But apparently because of fiction and stuff, people just think there are people out there you can pay. I'm like, it does seem weird.

Five grand? Your puddings. Yeah. You're risking a lot. Yeah. In America, certain states, you're literally risking your own life. Yeah. And I guess you are risking your life when you're taking a weapon in to kill someone.

It could go wrong. But yeah, but anyway, apparently that's all just a bit of a myth. Yeah, and I watched that movie and they say that in the movie. And I was still like, no, that's not true. They must be real. Of course they say that. Of course they want us to say. They want us to think there aren't hit men, but there are hit men.

Yeah. So then I don't expect a hit men. Exactly. I mean, who's Jason Statham? Yeah. Yeah. Why? You think Jason Statham just exists in the world?

Yeah. Acting or whatever. Come on. Whatever, mate. So yeah, 100 grand about, 98, 100 grand. That's a lot in the 20s. That's a lot now. It's up towards 2 million today.

Four! Great. So the next step was for him to be killed. Oh. So step one, got the either forged or got him to sign, checked him into signing a finger. Yeah, this would be good. I'll do one too.

We'll both do it. So using the sash weight wasn't her first option. Not by a long shot. Apparently, the successful attempt was her seventh or eighth. She'd been trying for a year or so. To kill him. To kill him. And what he hadn't realized she was trying to kill him?

Yeah, exactly. I'm not sure who that's more embarrassing for. Honestly, I think it's actually her because she's doing such a bad job. He doesn't even know he's being murdered. Like a gun goes off. He's like, oh, sorry, did you hear something? Actually, I dropped something, sorry, I dropped the stapler. He did his shoelace up at the time.

Oh, great. Not again. It's so embarrassing that she's been trying to kill him all this time, but she just can't kill him. Well, I've got to, I'll have to sue Suzuki. Just went out to the car. The brakes were cut. Do you believe it? We had to serve us three months ago.

Luckily, I was able to roll it to a stop up a hill. Fantastic, there's bloody buffoons down at Suzuki. Tell you what. She's like, I don't hear a lot for me. So as I learned, I think last year on Great Australian Murder, Mystery Comedy, Deadlock, women kill with poison. And this is how she tried the first seven or eight times. She tried rat poison, suggesting it would help his hiccups.

I'm guessing she probably decanted it first. Oh, right, it wasn't like to take this little. Take this rat poison. Yeah. That'll help your hiccups. She crushed sleeping pills into his nightly whiskey, even tried gassing him. She was trying different kinds of poisoning. My God.

So I think, like, he got violently ill at times, but he never died. He was just, he just would not go down. He's invincible. Yeah. There's been a couple of, I was reminding me, it was it Michael Malloy? Maybe Jess or Dave. Yeah, yeah. That's where they kept poisoning him and he just kept turning up.

He wouldn't go down. He was, like, being hit by a truck. Yeah. And he'd walk back in and they're like, what the hell? And you did an live episode about an unkillable soldier? Yeah. A killer. Yeah.

He was shot like eight times. So, yeah. He reminds, this guy's the third in the trilogy of Unkillable. Well, eventually it was killable. I mean, they all died at some point. Yes, they're all dead now. Yeah, they're not actually invincible, but they really, they, are they, what's the word? Escape to death a few times.

Yes. Depending on, on which one of the two you spoke to during the trial, one was doing, you know, driving all of this poisoning. Please, Ruth's driving it. Yeah, yeah. She's saying, no. Judd Gray, he sent me poison the mail telling me to try that. And he's like, oh, no, I didn't. Ooh.

Hoo-hoo. I'm a little owl man. Who would do that. Though I feel like, you know, a small man. More likely to be the poison killer as well. Because I'm not going to go in there and wrestle someone. You're going to overpower someone. Exactly.

Unless it's like a small cat. The way he tells it. Even then. Claws. Yeah. Yeah. The way he tells it, she was suggesting, we've got to kill him for ages. We've got to kill him.

And he's like, that'd be crazy. Don't, let's not do that. And eventually, she sort of wore him down. That's how he tells it. Women, am I right? Oh, my God. Nats. They will wear you down.

Honestly. Honestly, at some point it just becomes easy to just agree and go along with it. If it'll bloody shut you up. You're wendy at the end of it. Let me tell you. So together, they planned the perfect Christ. as far as they thought anyway. But as we already know, they...

Yeah, it wasn't quite perfect. It was a shit crime. Gray took the train to Syracuse, where he checked into the hotel, making himself very conspicuous. Hello! It's his eye! I'm here checking in.

And I'm going to go... Yeah, twirling, fake master. I'm just going to go up to my room and stay there for 24 hours straight. Could I have room service? Fake mustache is such a funny detail For someone trying to be remembered No, you didn't, no, he doesn't

The girl we saw out a mustache Fuck, fuck It's his eye, Judd Gray, checking in All weekend He's where out of the other than Certainly not going back to New York Oh my God, I need a break From the big apple

It's honking a fake nose Span, honk, spaying water at the receptionist He's like, nipple? He's dressed as a clown Nipple? From where you were holding? Yes. Trying to get on stage with the magician that night.

Trying to be the volunteer from the audience. Oh, I'll volunteer. Everyone here, seen me. Hello, I'm Judd. Judd Gray. Judd Gray. That's what they call me. It's my name.

It's my name. I certainly haven't just bludgeoned someone to death with a paperweight. So yeah, he's like, people will remember me. I made a big splash. People will remember me. I was fucking rude. I asked to speak to three different managers. But then, yeah, like, that's in his mind.

But then you remember he's like this real meek man And it flashes back And he's like He knocks over like a paperweight on the Reception says Yeah, they'll remember that Yeah Oh

I'll fight hold I actually thought The breakfast wasn't as good as last time I was here Oh sorry sorry Sorry sorry No it's great actually It's a beautiful breakfast That actually didn't hear him at all

So he can't even see him at all So he can't even see him the desk. He's so sure. I'm sorry, sir. Is there a sorry, little boy? Were you saying something? Do you need help finding your parents?

While he's trying to make a scene, someone comes through the front door and the breeze blows him away. It blows him off course. So, yeah, he makes a big scene. Then he slips out quietly, heads back to the city, back to New York City. And he obviously made sure he held on all trained tickets for evidence to be used against him later. You know for tax reductions?

According to Bryson. While he was away, he arranged for a friend to go to his hotel room, must the bed and otherwise make it look as if the room had been occupied. So he had some clever ideas as well. What was the word there? Must. Must. Which I think is interesting.

Must the bed. It was like mess, I guess. Must or Musk like getting in there and make it stink. Like someone slept in it. Musk up that bed. Yeah, Musk got it real good. Is must like past tense of mess? Maybe.

Muset up. I like it. He also left the friend with letters to mail after his departure. his alibi securely in place. Gray then obviously went to Queens Village. According to a writer Troy Taylor, who's written a book about a few murder trials and whatnot, when he arrived, he walked around for an hour, stopping under streetlights to take drinks from his flask. It was almost as if he hoped to be spotted and arrested for breaking the law because he was drinking in public and it was during prohibitions.

Right. So the way Taylor's selling it is like he's gone, I don't know, it would be a real shame if I got busted before I arrived at the scene to kill someone. Yeah, like, he's trying to be bailed out by the cops for doing a smaller crime. Oh my God, he's so scared of Ruth. And he gets out of roof. And he's so pathetic. I'm sorry, I just got busted. It's not my fault.

I just got arrested. I'm a bad boy. This is what happens. Get used to it. I looked up musk. And it's to make someone's hair or clothing untidy or messy. The wind was musing up his hair. He was mulled by the wind.

He was blown around this guy. Same as like ruffle or dishevel. This guy lives must. Oh my God. He's just musing from place to place. Oh, no, I've been must. Well, you know, there's little Willy-Willis that have like little bits of litter in it. Yeah.

Willy-Willi-Willis sound very strange. Yeah. Is that an Australian thing, Willy-Willi? I think it is. Anyway. Like a tiny little cyclone. Tiny tornado. But no one paid attention.

to him, unfortunately. And finally, he had to enter the Sniter home. This is still with Taylor. He came in through the back door as he and Ruth had planned. The Sniter family was away to party and would return late. Judd promised to hide in a spare room where Ruth had left the window wait. Also rubber gloves and chloroform, all the tools of murder. The family returned around 2 a.m.

And Ruth opened the bedroom door a crack. Are you in there, bud, dear? she whispered. So his, his, nickname for her was mummy or mumsy. Sorry.

And hers for him were Bud or lover boy. Lover boy and mumsy's so fun. Bud is so patronising. Yeah, bud. Hey, all right, bud. You're good, bud. But he calls her mummy?

Mummy or mumsy. Yes, mummy. Yeah. Yuck! Strange old relationship. Yuck! Dave, can you suckle with me, Mommy?

Yuck. I hate it, Dave, can you call me? I hate it. I'm changing my name. in the group. Love a boy. Can you call me Mummy?

You got to call me lover boy. Sure thing, Bud. Bud, so patronising. And she said, are you in the buddy boy? Whatever? Hey, hey, little buddy. Are you in there, bud, dear? Oh, mummy.

Or set for the murder. Can mummy get you a drink? She's saying that into a room. Taylor makes it sound all pretty messed up, I guess. I mean, it is messed up. It's a murder. But so he continues saying, she soon returns after saying,

Are you in there, bud? Then she returned back to the spare room, wearing only a slip, and the two had sex with her husband asleep just down the hallway. Finally, after about an hour, Gray grabbed the window sashway. Oh, my God.

Okay, we might have been wrong about Greg. This man's a start. Oh, yeah, brother. That's my bud. Now are you starting to see a connection between you and him? Yeah, you can see why it's called Lover Boy. My goodness. Yeah, ow, the night owl.

up all night long. And he's still calling him Mamsie. Yeah. Oh, Mumsie. So after the hour, Gray grabs the window sash weight and Ruth led him to the master bedroom where Albert Snyder slept with the blankets up over his head, which is a weird detail.

It's a weird way to sleep. Too hot. That's very hot. I don't like that. Taylor continues, the two of them stood on opposite sides of the bed, And then Gray raised the sash weight and brought it down clumsily onto Snyder's head. The weak blow merely glanced off the man's skull.

Oh, no. And while stunned, he let out a roar and tried to seize his attacker. Apparently, basically, it hit him so soft to just work him up. Like he's being tapped on the head. Oh, my God. Because he does, it's from, I mean, I'm still not entirely sure that where the truth lies. Yeah. But this seems to be the main story that's come out of it.

he's this sort of weak guy doesn't really want to do it but he's doing he's saying telling him to and you know he's just sort of he's so pathetic but an absolute

dynamo in the same crazy I mean he can barely lift his arms up he spent all his energy he's been going off down the hall that's horrific you'll hate this

Jess so he's he's glanced Albert's head with the weight woke an Albert up Albert's gone trying to grab Judd and Judd became terrified letting out a whining scream Mumsy, Mumsy, for God's sake help

Oh, disgusting What a fucking loser What an absolute loser I can't even murder properly Mumsy Yuck! From there apparently Ruth took the weight

and finished off the job with one blow. Of course she did. Because Ruth is a girl boss. Ruth gets shit done. She's a psycho, but, you know, she gets results. One blow. You remember how you said that the paperweight

was not the first choice of weapon? Sash weight. Sorry, I keep saying paperweight because it's something I've actually heard of. The satch weight. But then it ended up, sounds like it was the first thing that they bashed him with,

Was she thinking about trying a hammer or something else? Oh no, all the poison. Sorry. Sorry, I'm with you. Yes. Like, it's a big sort of. Yeah, just is showing us a picture of a... I'm guessing you've seen what a sash weight is, yeah.

Like, a bit pretty, pretty solid. Almost like a stick of dynamite size thing. Yeah. But of metal. But just solid metal. Yeah. Solid metal. And then I imagine that there's like a little ring, like, metal attachment to attach to the curtain.

So you probably grip it like that and just like nun chuck onto his head. Yes. Whereas you're picking. picturing Gray doing like a Mr. Burns thrashing of a lifetime. Yes. Yes. Oh, he's so pathetic. Oh, Mumsie. Mumsie, for God's sake, please. Oh, I'm frightened. Yuck. So, yes, she kills her husband with one blow, supposedly.

Then according to Bryson, she and Gray then stuffed chloroform up Snyder's nostrils and strangled him with picture wire, which she had also laid in. And so I don't know, like really making sure of it, I guess. They then turned out drawers and cupboards all over the house to make it look as if it'd been ransacked. It appears not to have occurred to either of them that would have been a good idea to make Ruth's bed look slept in. So this is one of the big oversights. Oh my God. Ruth.

Gray loosely tied Ruth around the ankles and wrists and arranged her comfortably on the floor. In what he considered his most cunning touch, Gray left the Italian newspaper on the table downstairs so that if police would conclude, so that the police would conclude that the intruders were alien subversives. It was like a big thing at the time where Italian anarchists were up to no good. Right. And I think some of that was real, but it also gave people this little boogeyman that they could go, obviously this was some. Obviously it was an Italian. That's strange. When everything was in place, Gray kissed Ruth goodbye, then caught a taxi into the city and a train back to Syracuse.

Apparently that taxi driver he gave a really bad tip and the taxi driver also came forwarded the cops gone. Yeah, yeah, that's the guy. Yeah, I definitely drove him back. He's a real tight ass. Yeah, like, apparently because of the tight-ass tip, he was like, yeah, I'll talk in court, whatever. No worries, I'll make up stuff,

what I saw the murder. I saw him do it. Whatever, he used a machete. Yeah, is that what? You tell me what you want to say, I was there. Because people that don't tip me, they deserve jail. They deserve to die. because that is the, if they get done for it, that is, that is the punishment.

Wow. Really, death penalty is very much on the table. Yes. Back to Taylor, minutes after Gray left, Ruth began banging on Lorraine's door, their daughter. The child ran out, I mean, just on top of everything else. They're doing this with a nine-year-old. A nine-year-old, you know, just down the hall. So her daughter ran out, removed the gag from her mother's mouth.

she told her to get help and Lorraine ran next door to the neighbour's house where the police were called. And this takes us back to the beginning with Ruth telling the police that a giant speaking of foreign language had knocked her out. Right. And she'd been asleep or unconscious for six hours. Yeah, that's right. Apparently, I think during the whole thing, part of that six hours her and Grace sat in the lounge room, having a drink and chatting about the plan a bit more. What if you woke up during any of that? I think, yeah, strange.

Come down and stairs, hey, there's a lot of noise. Oh, hello, who are you? I think they'd killed him by the time they're having a drink. Killed him, went down at a drink. What do we do next? Have sex for another hour? Should we have another sex session? And he's like, I'm definitely up for it.

Because I got heaps to give. Yeah. I got heaps to give. I have sex for another hour. Oh, my God. Should we have sex for another hour? Should we kill an hour by having sex? So in court, Snyder and Gray had separate lawyers representing them, and both placed a

blame with the other. Snyder and her lawyer claimed that Gray was the driving force. In return, Gray's lawyer laid it on so thick. Here's a quote from him. His client had been duped by a quote, designing, deadly, consciousness, abnormal woman, a human serpent, a human fiend in the disguise of a woman. A human fiend. A human fiend. In the disguise of a woman. So women aren't humans? So weird. A human fiend in the disguise of a woman. A woman. It's like a babushka doll sort of thing. Yeah, imagine a human, but a woman. What are you talking about?

It's so weird. So, yeah, all of... You've got time to prepare, like, write something down. There is part of me that, like, I mean, who knows without being there, but some of it, I'm like, they've laid it on so thick, she's the devil. I'm like, how much... Where's the truth here? But obviously, I don't think she's a good person.

No, I think she's awful. The public's appetite for the trial was so large that even interesting side notes were reported. This is some of my favourite stuff from the whole story. For instance, they could read in the paper about how the judge was a dog lover. When he got home each night from court, he greeted his 125 pet dogs and personally fed them all. Personally fed them all. 125 dogs. Like, you two are dog people. That's, is that a lot of dogs? Yeah, that's a few.

That's too many dogs. That's about 124, too many dogs. That's a full-time gig. Imagine washing the dog balls. I don't know this is probably pre- like pet insurance and stuff. Because sometimes I think it would be really nice to get goose a friend. And then I remember that his pet insurance is more expensive than my health insurance, twice the amount. And I think, we could double that again and get another one.

Nah, that's okay. What if you get double indemnity? Double indemnity, pet insurance. Double dog indemnity. Okay, what's too many dogs? I think... Is it north or south of 125 firstly? South?

South of 125. I think 10 is insane. Yeah. 120... Yeah, you're right. Anything more? I can't even picture it. 10 on a farm or something.

Like, that's big for a pack of dogs. Yeah. You know, wild dogs don't get around to that bigger... How do you have a job? How do you have time to go be a judge? Even if you had them in like a paddock. Imagine a paddock on a farm... With a hundred and twenty-five dogs.

It's too many dogs. You can't have them inside. Never. I love dogs and I'd be like, that's too many and I'm scared. I think he had a big property. Like, he is a judge. I think he's pretty well to do. He'd have to have a staff.

Hmm. Which I assume he does. A dog staff. Looking after the dogs. Eppas. Just to have a hundred and twenty-five dogs? And would they be breeding? Maybe that's how got to 125.

They just kept fucking... Do they know what's called it? He started with two dogs. That's, that's, that's broken man. Or is he hoping to make some sort of coat out of them? Oh, Mr. Bernstile. Oh, yes. See my chest, see my chest.

No, see my vest. Sorry, that was a separate point. But have a look. Two other points in this sort of category that came out, just quirky facts that came out from the trial. Bryson writes that one of Ruth Snyder's lawyers, Dana Wallace, merited special attention for being the son, of the owner of the Mary Celeste.

Oh. The infamous cargo ship found drifting in the Atlantic in 1872 with its crew mysteriously vanished, which Jess did a block report on, I think, last year. That's right. Or Dave did? Jess was looking at me like she didn't. Mesa was on it, I think. I remember doing the episode.

I don't remember who did the report. I reckon Jess did it and Mesa was a guest. It's quite possibly me, but it's, I know we've joked for a while that I don't really remember things, but I'm starting to actually be a bit concerned about it. Maybe it wasn't me actually because it's not coming up at all in my In your docks In my Google docs

My God, maybe it's me that's forgotten this time Oh Matt, was it you? I'm confident it wasn't me But we did do it though, right? I don't know Yeah, I'm pretty sure Did this report disappear? Like honest, I know, yeah

We joke a lot about how I don't remember anything But I am starting to get quite concerned Because Dave mentioned recently Wanting to do John Dillinger and somebody told us, I've done it. And I was like, have I? And I looked it up and I have. But that was only a couple of years ago.

I don't remember. Couldn't tell you a single thing about John Dillinger. I'm concerned. Yes, if people want to hear it, it was episode 370. We don't know who did it, but. What the hell? Somebody did it. Oh, that was a while ago then.

That's like two years ago. Yeah. And John Dillinger was further back. Yeah, so it's all fine. So anyway, so yeah, that was another fun fact. And so every little... Sorry, I've just confirmed. It was a just report.

How? How did you... Okay. It's in our planner. Wow. Just did 370. But yeah, they, basically any sort of tangential story that they could get out of it. Oh, your lawyer is related to this person from an infamous story.

Because people want to read about it. The appetite was ravenous. Yes. This is probably my favorite one though, as Bryson writes. Someone else noticed and solemnly. reported that the ages of the jurors exactly added up to 500. Oh my God. Hang on a second.

Plus plus plus 500. My God. What could it mean? Why did they start adding ages together? They're like checking everything out. So imagine they've also added up like their home addresses together. Yeah, their height. The amount of things before they went, oh my God.

Stop the presses. Oh my God. Between their names, they have every. except QX and Y. Oh my God. Oh my God. I think my favourite quote from all the coverage came from evangelist sister Amy McPherson. According to Taylor, she received a large sum from the New York evening graphic to write up a piece on the sorted case and, you know, did it in a very moralising sort of way.

But my favourite line, which is quoted in nearly every piece of writing about this, she pleaded with young men in her piece to say, say, I want a wife like mother, not a red hot cutie. Matt. I want a wife like mother. Why are you trying to piss me off? Not a red hot cutie. Not a red hot cutie. Even though the killer was referred to as mumsy.

Mumsy. Yeah. But you don't want a mumsy. I think you want a red hot cutie. Yeah. The mumsy in this case is the murderer. Yeah. She'll crush you.

That sucks. She's literally a mother. Marry someone like your mum. but not a cutie No cop that mum And that's offensive to me as a cutie Because all the

All the stories are all Selling her as like this hot seductress Ruth And Yeah there's I don't mean I don't need to talk about Her looks or whatever

But She's a bit of a fuggo No She just looks like a normal Every tour from the 1920s Yeah she just looks like a 1920s woman I'm looking at her up I bet she's an I'll go

No Ruth Snyder Is it Schneider? S-N-Y-D-E-R. Oh my goodness, okay. I think he might have, I'm pretty sure that Albert might have anglicized it a little bit to make it seem less German.

Yeah, she just looks like a... Oh yeah, that's just a lady. Just like a 90-20s lady. Good on your Ruth. But I think they're just trying to, everything's sensationalise. Everything's to a zero to 100. She's a red hot duty. She's not a woman.

She's the hottest woman. woman of all time. To me, it's so funny. I, please, boys. Please. Please say, I want a wife like mother, not a red hot cutie. So weird. According to Bryson, by almost universal consent, Ruth Snyder was held to be the guilty party, Judd Gray, the hapless dupe.

Gray received so much mail, nearly all of its sympathetic, that it filled two neighboring cells in the Queens County Jail House. Whoa. The papers strove hard to portray Ruth Snyder as an evil tempterous. The mirror dubbed her the marble woman without a heart, while grey was dubbed the putty man. Oh, God. So that was often how, she's the granite woman. She's made of stone.

Yeah. No heart. He's putty, easily bending the way she wants him to. He's pathetic. Bryson continues. Elsewhere, she was called the human serpent, the ice woman, and in a moment of journalistic hyperventilation, the Swedish-Norwegian vampire. He's like, that. They were losing it.

We don't actually Swedish or Norwegian. She's very close to the boulder. According to Davis, the jury took only 98 minutes before returning with a verdict of guilty, with both convicted of first degree. She said she did it. All right, Cass, we're going to need an hour. We're going to need lunch. We're going to need lunch on this one.

They just really don't want to have to go back to work that day. Let's drag this out a little. I cook off at four. They both admitted it. I mean, do we even need a jury? Did she obviously plead not? guilty? Oh, otherwise you'd be kidding.

No, they must have made it. Otherwise, you wouldn't have needed that, would you? Yeah, yeah. They must have been like, no, I'm not guilty. He did it. Oh, I'm not guilty. She did it. Yeah.

I was there, but I didn't do it. But the jury were like, they did it. Yeah, yeah. They both did it. My God. So both were convicted of first degree premeditated murder and the couple was sentenced to death in the electric chair at Sing Sing Prison.

Whoa. And it happened all very quickly. The executions took place on the 12th of January 1928. According to Taylor, Grace sat smiling in his cell when the warden came for him. He had received a letter from his wife forgiving him. He told the warden that he was ready to go and that he had, quote, nothing to fear. Of Snyder reports remembered that as she was being led to the electric chair, that she had said days before that God had forgiven her and that she hoped the world would too.

Apparently she spent a lot of her time writing. She wrote memoirs, and depending on who you read, it was some pretty weird stuff. But I didn't read any of it, so I don't know. But the media wasn't done with its frenzy. They wanted a photo of the execution. Unfortunately for them, cameras were strictly prohibited. For all that's interesting, Katie Serena writes, while photography was usually prohibited in executions,

Sing Sing Guards took it especially seriously in Ruth's case. No member of the media would get in with a camera, and that much the guards were sure of. The editors of the New York Daily News knew that the Sing Sing Guards were familiar with all of their reporters, so they outsourced. Tom Howard, a photographer for the Chicago Tribune, which owned the Daily News, agreed to go to Sing Sing as an undercover reporter.

Oh my God. As he made his way through security and into the execution chamber, he stepped carefully as he was carrying contraband that if found was certain to get him ejected or possibly arrested. Put him in the chair. Strap to his right ankle

was the reason for his careful footsteps. I've seen this. A custom single-use camera, A miniature version of a classic model was neatly tucked beneath his pant cuff. A wide shutter release ran up his leg, the button within undetectable reach of his hand. Here's a photo of it. Wow. It's amazing. Wow.

So we're looking at a photo of the camera, strapped to his ankle, just poking up just above. It's pretty bulky still. Yeah, like at the time was miniature, but now that's like, you know, it's the size of a Rubik's cube or something. But presumably when he wants, he just has the pant, like the cuff goes over the top. Yeah. Yeah. He just lifts it up for a second, takes a photo and then puts the cuff over the top. That's right.

Yes. So, after Snyder was brought in, the small crowd watched as she was strapped to the chair. When it was turned on, Howard pointed his toe towards the chair and snapped a single photo. Though Ruth Snyder was dead, her photo lived on. The photo he took was angled slightly and it was blurry, but nonetheless priceless. I was going to show you, but you probably know. Do you want to see it? Oh, I've seen this before.

I've remember seeing the and hearing about that he had a secret camera. That's incredible. It is a grim photo. Yeah, show us because I think when I googled her before to look at her face, I think. Right. I think I saw it and it's not as full on as I would have expected maybe. Because it's black and white and blurry. Wow.

I can't believe they're allowed to publish that. I know. Front page. It's so gross. Yeah. It's very interesting. We talked a lot about stuff like that in my journalism law and ethics classes. Like the photo on the front of Time magazine of somebody plunging from the World Trade Center.

Oh, right. Oh, falling man. Yeah, yeah. Talked about the ethics of that. It's very interesting. But yeah, isn't it wild that they published out on the front page? Especially when it's against the rules of having a photo in that. It feels like you could still get arrested post.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, you got away with it. He must have been paid well to risk it, I reckon. He was given a $100 bonus. Wow. Which I guess, you know, it was a good cash, but not.

Not life-changing money. Yeah, if you went to jail and didn't get the photo, and they were like, we never told you to do that. Yeah. That was what he got for giving him a photo, you know. The photo ends up getting used the morning after the execution. It was on the front page of the New York Daily News under the headline that simply read dead, all caps exclamation mark.

The photo was instantly hailed as one of the most famous tabloid photo of the decade, and indeed it was. The photo itself, as hazy as it was, was shocking. The image of Ruth Snyder's fingers curled around the arms of the electric chair haunted audiences for years. I'm still, I should say, I'm still reading from Katie Serena's article. Howard was given a $100 bonus for the photo, like I said, which caused a change in prison procedure for decades after anyone attending an execution was thoroughly searched before they were allowed into the room, with particular attention paid to pant legs. Lift them up Lift them up Shal's your ankles

Oh yeah that's it Oh yeah That's what I want to say And then the ward's like cameras What are you talking about? Sorry what Finally Our mate Bill Bryson

talks a bit about How much of an effect His murder And the trial had on pop culture Writing The Snyder case was clumsy and banal And didn't even hold out The promise of exciting court

Rout and revelations Since both of the accused had already fully confessed. Yet it became known without any sense of hyperbole as the crime of the century and exerted a most extraordinary influence on popular culture, particularly on Hollywood, Broadway,

and the more sensational end of light fiction. The film produced Adolf Zuka brought out a movie called The Woman Who Needed Killing. The title was later toned down. That's a full on title. The woman who deserved to die. Jesus.

I don't know. A bit full on. And the journalist Sophie Treadwell, who had covered the trial for the Herald Tribune, wrote a play called Mackinnell, should have looked up the pronunciation of that, Machinal or McAnall, which enjoyed both critical and commercial success. And the part of Judd Gray in this production was played by a promising young actor named Clark Gable. Wow. The novelist James M. Kane, see, ring a bell dave?

Yeah. He was taken with the case so much that he used it as the central plot device for two different books. The Postman always rings twice and double indemnity. He's like one of the hardboard fiction cards. That's right. Yeah, he was one of the ones who helped sort of create it. So, yeah, I'd heard of both of those books. Yeah.

Interesting. But the double indemnity one especially was influential because Billy Wilder made it into the artfully lit 1984 movie of the same name starring Fred McMurray and Barbara Stanwick. This was the movie that created film noir and so became the template on which a generation of Hollywood melodramas was based. Isn't it a wild? This unhappy marriage and this clumsy murder ended up being so influential. It created film noir.

This huge ripple effect. Isn't it? Yeah. It's incredible. Yeah. So cool to be able to trace those things back a little bit too. Yeah, like, isn't it like there's a cartoon version of Spider-Man that's film noir in, you know, played by Nicholas Cage. That's because of this, Nicholas Cage plays a cartoon film noir Spider-Man.

It's one of his funniest roles. Yeah, so that's the story of, I think, what I'll probably call the murder of Albert Snyder. It was also known as the, the, uh, the sash weight murder. but Oh, interesting. I think probably one journalist called it the dumbbell murder

he's like because the two the murders were dumb so dumb. Got him. Yeah, he got him pretty good. Maybe sash weight murder

is good because I don't know what that is. What does that mean? But I also don't know who Albert Snyder is but I'd be like, no, I don't care

because I don't know who Albert Snyder is. Right. What about the Albert Schneider murder in brackets? You should care. Okay, yeah. Okay.

Just just notes, just brainstorming. Okay. What a story. It's an amazing wild story and the fact that, yeah, the media and the public at large. Imagine gathering to look at the building, they might be in. And when we were like 20-ish minutes in when we realized she'd confessed and there was no twists and everything, I was like, where's you going with this? But it just kept like, what an incredible.

And also, I mean, they've killed her husband. So their child is now an orphan. Yes. Awful for her. Very quickly that child's lost both parents. Yes. So the child, people would probably be interested. His brother, Albert's brother, there were two that fought for custody and her mom and her mom ended up winning custody.

So she lived with her maternal grandmother. Wow. Yeah. Tough for her. Horrific. So famous. Yes. Yeah, like she wouldn't have been able to avoid it and then knowing that she was sleeping nearby.

Oh, I, so traumatic. Everything about it. Awful. Just incredible. Incredible. What story? I just clicked on Tom Howard who took the photo. I'm not sure if you came across this.

No. This is from Wikipedia.org. Oh, okay. It's the photography website. Right. So I'm not sure of the sources that they use on there, but it says personal life. Cameras mostly. Cameras talk.

Picture paints a thousand words. He says Tom's. Is that right? Yeah. Tom Howard's grandson is George Went, who played Norm on Cheers. Norm. And his great. grandson is actor and comedian Jason Sondycus.

Yeah, I only just found out the other day Jason Sondacus's like uncle is George Went. So they're related to this very famous photographer. Isn't that cool? Incredible. Look that up when I was re-watching Ted Lasso. I hope George Went, George Went has been in a film noir. Oh, man. Like, what?

That would just... That might implode the world. Yeah. There might be too much. He could be a great hardball detective though, George Wentz. Yeah. Wow. My head's spinning a little from that story. Yeah, just fascinating.

So fascinating. And can I just say, well told. Well, my mate Bill helped out quite a lot. Fucking Bill. You love Bill. I forgot about Bill. I love Bill. I made me angry every time you said Bill Bryson. But it does a little bit of it let in, right? And you're like, well, maybe Bill knows a good tail. Maybe Bill can really spin a yarn. He can spin a yarn. That Bryson?

Well, that brings us to everyone's favorite section of the show. What roller coaster ride that story was. But the next thing we do... I feel nauseous. Oh, my God. Like how I feel when I get off a roller coaster. Yeah, right. I don't have the stomach for roller coasters.

Do you have a bit of fun too? Or is it just nausea? I have a bit of fun, but then I feel very sick. I went to Luna Park not too long ago. And I remembered all over again. Fun parks. I love the roller coasters. Like the fast ones moving in.

sort of straight lines or curvy lines, but not the spinny ones. Right. I did a spinny one and I'm like, this isn't that fun. I just feel sick in the stomach. You know, you're just sitting there like face looking lifeless. I can just picture myself like, waiting it out, you know? Yeah, yeah. Oh my God.

10 minutes to feel normal again. Yeah, I'm so glad I paid money for that. We went on a ride together. What, about 18 months ago? We went to that music festival. Do you remember that one? Yeah, which music festival And which ride

No, I don't remember Wasn't you and me? No Was it in Adelaide? No, this is, I also went on in Adelaide, that a great time But in, um, we were at The festival where no effect and tism played

Oh yeah, we did go to that And we went on a ride there Yeah, did you? I thought that was together Yeah, yeah, probably I thought we had a great time We did, yeah, yeah Now I'm just hearing that you don't like spinning around

Because we span around together What work? Did that mean nothing to you? I mean, it depends. Some of the, it depends on how they're spinning, I think, because I can't always tell by looking at them whether I like it or not. Was it one that went like you went spinning and it went out, we sort of went on chains and it went out like this?

Yeah, you kind of like. Yeah, those are fun because you sort of just going fast. Yeah. Is it going fast enough? I think that's fun. And then I just remember over and over and over again, the pre-recorded video said, scream if you want to go faster.

Yeah, that's right. Scream if you want to go fast. And I was thinking the poor operator has to hear this honestly 40,000 times a day. He'd go to sleep hearing that. I'd fully forgotten about that. That was it. Tism played there as well. He's got good things. Good things. And we saw regurgitator. Yeah, that's great fun. It's good fun. Good fun. Good fun fest. Great fun. And remember it like it was yesterday. Very fun. Very fun memories. So the, so Jess is feeling nauseous. I'm feeling excited. Dave is feeling hurt by my lack of memory.

But this brings us to everyone's favorite section of the show where we thank our great Patreon supporters. If you want to get involved, go to patreon.com slash 2go on pod. There's a bunch of different levels. The first one we work through, I mean, when I say there's a bunch of different levels, bunch of different levels, bunch of different rewards you get. Now, including, starting from this month, a fourth bonus episode exclusive to Patreon. That's right. Dugo D-N-D, standing for Dugo on Dungeons and Dragons.

do go Dungeons and Dragon, something like that. You understand what we're trying to tell you what it is. Yeah. It's us playing Dungeons and Dragons with Adam Carnivalet. It's really fun. So much fun. So the first episode coming out this month is a long one. I think it goes like an hour and a half and it's us re-learning the rules.

Yes. And also picking our characters. Yeah, which was, that's a fun process. That was fun. Adam really guided us very well throughout. It gives you all the options of what the characters like, what the powers they've got, if they carry items, weapons. It's fun.

I honestly think we played Dungeons and Dragons very well. Okay. I didn't expect the sentence end there. I think we had a lot of fun. Yes. Yeah, that's true. If the parameters you're looking for are fun and laughter, then yeah, I think we played it incredibly well. And I, like, I can't remember I said this on pod, but a couple days later, I had this sort.

I'm like, oh, I can't wait to watch the end of that show. And then I realized the show was the Dungeons and Dragons campaign that we were doing. I can't wait to watch the end of that show. So many twists and turns. Yeah, it was so great. Really well told. Your character early on said something that I've thought about ever since. And I will just be in the car at a traffic light and I'll just chuckle to myself thinking about it.

So there is some fun stuff in there. Maybe if you're like a real diehard Dungeons and Dragons player, you'll definitely love it. Yeah, yeah. You'll be like, oh, now this. This is what I look for. It's how it's meant to be played. Now, this is dunging. Definitely.

I've realised now that I've never done it properly. Yeah. So allow us to teach you. Yeah. But yeah, I'm excited for that to come out because it was a lot of fun. And there's a bunch of other things. There's a bonus report every month. There's we do a fun game each month. There's four episodes.

There's different things. Phraising the bars coming to end. We're going to start up a new movie club after that. But you can also get you get shoutouts. There's a level called the Sydney-Schenberg level gets you in the fact quote or question section. which is this very section. Actually, as a jingle, go somewhere like this. Fact quote or question.

Be it. Just put a little bit of a bit of cream on top there tonight. That was a vibrato. A little bit of vibrato. A little bit of vibrato. I don't know the technical terms. You always get vibrato and cream mixed up. You always like, can I have a scorn with jam and vibrato?

And I'm like, no, that. When I hear vibrato, it makes me cream. That's where the confusion comes in. But I love a little bit of a warm. warble, a little bit of a quiver. Oh, one of my favourite things. To quiver. I'd to listen to a quiver.

I love, hap the singer for the Dead Salesman, has a great quiver. And it just tickles the inside of my ear in a really nice way. Blinda Carlo, another great quiverer. Now I know it's a vibrato. Correct. So in this part of the show, people on the Sydney-Shaunberg level above get to give us a factor quote or a question or a bragger suggestion, or really whatever they like. And then I read them out.

They also get to give themselves a title. The first one this week of four is Libby Mason. I should say, I don't read them out until I read them out. So that's just pre-apologizing for any mistakes I make. And Libby's title is president of the green bean team. Blaket. Libby's is a brand name of canned vegetables in the US. Oh, cool.

We split you, Libby. Oh, in that case, open hypenthesies. What do they? Perenthesies. I knew they. Hypenthies. It's the most fendangled word for Brathecy. bracket. Yeah. Pertheses.

Parentheses. Yeah. Normally, like, America's really good at making language, like, available to everyone. You know, what do you call it? Accessible. Doming it down. Demoscising it. Okay. Is that right? No. Democritizing it. There we go.

That word could be fixed America if you don't mind getting out of that. If you don't mind working on that. But in this case, they've gone the other way around. Yeah. They've made it, like, harder. Yeah. Okay, so. Doesn't read these before until he reads these out.

So Libby's asking us a question. Libby writes, what was the inspiration and or reasoning behind the nine do-go-on minis? And can we look forward to anything similar in the future? Also, I love you all dearly, and I recommend the show to anyone who will listen. Thank you for your countless hours of amusing content. I'm on my four-three listen of the back catalogue. Wow, Libby. I thought Libby was going to say, I love you all dearly.

I was expecting a butt. and I was like, oh no, I literally, like, I tensed. Your butt? And I recommend it. And you made it an audible sound. I thought you were being like, oh, thank you. No, no, I was, that was fear. Oh, no.

And my butt clenching. You were saying earlier, before we started recording, that you don't like horror movies for those tense. Yes. Tense, tension and release things. And that, I mean, if you've heard that tense, can only imagine like a full-on horror moment. Yeah, no.

What that would do to you. So they do that in horror movies? I love you all. Oh, no. You know, they say that always before the kill. That's probably true. Any nice moment is about to be. Actually true in a horror movie.

Do go on minis. That was a little web series that we recorded maybe four years ago, maybe a little bit longer, that we put out on stupid old channel where we basically did the format of the show where one of us speaks a topic and research is it. But in video form, with animations from John, our Irish friend,

who's a fantastic animator. and a great set that Stupid Old Studios built. And then we also just put out the audio of those for people who maybe don't want to watch the videos or want to listen while they're running or whatever. And I guess, yeah, the inspiration was to try something different with the videos. Yeah, that was a great series. I liked doing that. The set looked awesome. That was sort of fun, slightly smaller stories maybe.

Yeah. Or like we could make them a bit more compact. Yeah, that's right. I feel like there were stories that we probably couldn't get the full, what we usually get to our and our. hour and a half report out of. But they were all interesting stories from all different parts of the world. Yeah, started with you told us the backstory of the Hollywood sign. Oh, that's right.

Yeah, so we had black beard. I was actually looking... Government cheese. I was on the YouTube, on the distributed channel last night looking at them. Yeah, it's funny to... Because I had the thought, I'm like, it's funny that they have had way less views than. a normal episode does because it was so much more effort goes into them but that's just not what

people want. Which is why we ended up putting out as audio too because it's like well obviously people like to listen to us but not watch us as much. And we're not going to take that. Mishapen heads. Yeah. We're all misshapen. No, not all of us heads.

Oh, but we are all in different ways misshaping us. We all have a bit wrong. Yeah. You can decide. They're up there forever on the stupid old channel as well as our do-go-on quiz show, which is if you want to watch us as well. as hear us, hey, we've got faces and they work.

They talk. Whoa. Whoa. Yeah, there's a bunch of good stuff up on there. Gamey, gamey game as well. The first season of the Beer Pioneer. Yeah, it was funny just browsing there. I'm like, oh, so much good stuff up here.

A few weeks ago on my channel, I put up a video of me thrusting in the studio. Just right where you're there now, I was thrusting away. That's why this chair feels different. I should try a seeded thrust You should Let's try on now Oh that's good Because the wheels

Oh wow This actually works quite nice Oh my god An ergonomic thrust Thank you so much For that great question Libby Um Libby also says

I should probably go Catch up on Who Knew it And the Patreon episodes But you know You're just addicted To go on through the main feed And I think that's fair enough XOXO

XO Gossip Bean. Gossip Bean. Thanks so much, Libby. Thanks so much for putting Jess through that roller coaster there. Oh, man, I've had too many roller coasters today. I'm going to be sick. The next one comes from Joseph Nataro,

first time we're into the Fat Quota Question Club, and Joseph has given himself the title of Senior Vice President of Struggling to Hear Dog Shit Riffs over Road Noise. Oh, no. I know what this will be about. This is my voice, is lost in the road. But we've got AJ on the edits these days. Hopefully in the last year or so, my voice is a little bit more audible over the road noise

because that was one of our specific notes to him when he came on. I said, can you make me audible over a car engine? And he said, yes, I can. I've said, thank you, little boy. Little boy from New Zealand. He said, yes, I can. That's how fucking stupid you sound every time we get AJ on and you immediately He'd at least start mocking his accent.

No, his friends have said to me that they can't bullet. I'm the first person they've heard who can do it justice. Isn't that amazing? He's played it to him and they're being like, that's actually really good. So no one tough. He's actually pretty spot on. Do you think that he played it to them saying, do I really sound like this? And they went, I'm sorry.

Should I quit this job? No, I think he sounds awesome. I love listening to his horse. I love it as well. Oh, fantastic. Love it. Pop culture. No, cult popature.

Yeah. That's such a hard podcast name to remember. Yeah. Anyway, who we got? Joseph. Yes. With a brag writing, I don't tend to be the biggest brag it around,

which is why this brag is not about me, but my lovely wife, Dana. She has just recently graduated with a doctorate in audiology after 10 long years of study. Oh, hell yeah. 10 years. That's sick. I've done my best to support her as a lowly truck driver, and I can safely say that all those long hours were worth helping her achieve her dream. She's already got a job as the head vestibular audiologist at a local practice, and I couldn't be proud of confident I didn't say vestibular, right? Yeah.

Vestabular! Bueller. Vestabula, yeah, Ferris's sister. I had to jump on the Patreon to tell as many people as I could about my Dr. Wife, which is what she now insists I call her. Fair enough. Thanks for all the hot content that helped keep me sane while I was over the road these past years. Hey, thank you so much.

Welcome aboard, Joseph. So good to have you. And congratulations. Huge. Dr. Wife, Dana. Dana. What a legend. 10 years.

Long time to dedicate to it. So cool. So exciting. It sounds like it's already paying off for the sweet new gig, so congratulations. I also really like, and I think I said this recently, I like that people will use fact, quite a question. To brag about themselves, always want to hear that. But we are seeing a few people be like, I just want a shout out to my friend or my wife or my partner who's done something cool. And you're like, that's the bet.

You guys are lovely. Yeah, that's really nice. How did us three terrible people attract an audience of such a lovely, kind, sweet people? I would say, though, like, do you see her and speak to her, Joseph? Just say it to her, you know? Fuck, you're right. I'm worried about your relationship if you're having to use intermediaries. Communication's pretty important in a relationship.

Yeah. So just, I just think you should tell her as well. Yeah, don't tell us. Don't care. Tell your wife. Sorry, tell your doctor wife. Okay. And also, schedule a checkup if that's what it takes.

Don't tell me a non-doctor fucking stranger. I'm not your doctor-wife. I don't care. No, but I think what you said first was right. It's very lovely. It's very nice. It's very sweet. I love that.

Tell Dana, we said hi. Yes. Tell her we said hi. And also, yeah, good enjoy retirement. You looked after her for 10 years. Now it's her turn. Now it's her turn. That's how I understand relationships.

Very tip for tat. Put your feet up and enjoy it. 10 years off the road. Wow. Ten years on, ten years off. That's pretty good. FIFO. FIFO, dry foe.

Thank you, Joseph. The next one comes from Shannon. Shannon. Shannon. I thought it. Did you? Did you? Do you think it's because he hit the Shan?

Shannon. Yeah. And Shannonan-nan-nan-N-N-N-N has the title of official, unofficial line cook for the triptitch club. Oh, okay. Well, can you get someone in to fix that stove? And Shannon. has a suggestion. They write,

I have to suggest to you and all fellow do-go-on listeners that you watch the hit show Our Flag Means Death. I can best describe it as a queer pirate workplace romantic comedy. It features the relationship between Steed Bonnet, the gentleman pirate. He came up in the Blackbeard episode of the minis. Minis, isn't that wild? Whoa.

Yes, Jess did a mini episode, which you can watch the video for about Blackbeard, the Pirate. Really fascinating tale. Also, Edward Teach, aka Blackbeard. Also features in that episode. We should have kept reading. They have played to perfection by A. Toroa actors, Rees Darby and Taika Watiti, with a stellar supporting cast. Sorry to interrupt your fact, quote or question.

This is editor AJ here with my hilarious New Zealand accent, just to correct Matt's butchered pronunciation of Al-Teroa. All right, back to the show. The show is a landmark of representation for queer people. including Jim, a prominent non-binary character, people of colour, and neurodivergent people. It was sadly cancelled before its third and final season. Oh, that's so annoying. Yeah. I hate when shows get cancelled and, you know, their plan is just to run forever.

You're like, you know, that's tough. But cancelling it before the planned final season, that feels cruel. I know they left on a bit of a cliffhanger. So there's no resolution for me as a fan of this show. It's so annoying. So annoying. But fans have put together a massive. renewal campaign featuring a petition, an airplane banner, even a billboard in Times Square.

This show has changed the lives of me and so many people I know creating a real community, much like Do Go On is done. Please spread the word about this remarkable, groundbreaking show. I, well, you've spread it to me. I actually auditioned it for a part in it, but I did not get anywhere near it. But that beard? I know. That's how bad my acting was.

I think I had to do an accent. And I just said, I think it was English, but anyway. You can do English, be a Dell. Hello, I'm a Delle. Hello, I'm a pirate. Perfect. Come on. Hey, oh.

You're in? I should have. I went with a different. I think I went Cockney. Because I don't think it's specified which English accent. It's like, there's so many. Anyway, Shannon, I should, yeah, I've got to watch it. Yeah.

Where is it available in Australia? I'm not sure. I think it might be on binge, I believe. I've watched it. The first season on a plane. It's very fun. Yeah, cool. Awesome.

Oh, great. And there's definitely hope for it, like, Futurama. And I think, did it happen with community? It's happened with shows that they have been brought back due to, like, you know, the fans. Popular demand. Yeah, or sometimes I bring it back for a movie or something just to wrap it up. Yeah, at least got some an ending. Some resolution.

Yes. You're killing me. I need to know what happens. Yeah, but I've got to go back and watch the second season because I watch the first one as soon as it was out. But yeah. That's great. I'm currently looking for someone to watch. So I'm going to get on to that.

Thank you, Shannon. The fourth and final this week, we never cancelled before the final, is from Roy Phillips, aka man trying to cram a tan clam into a clean cream can again. It honestly makes no sense how he can just. How do you do that? But sometimes he can't say Matt Stewart properly. I try to, I'm assuming again is meant to be said like again. Again.

It must be where Roy's from. That must be how they say it. gas. So Roy, I loved it though, Roy. That felt exhilarating as always. It's like you just clear your mind. Yeah, I think that's it. I see it and I realize it's happening about four words in.

Yeah. And I go, just roll. Yeah. That's nice. Why can't you do that with your reports? It's a mini meditation. I know, I really should. I think it's because this one I know the ends inside at the end of the sentence.

Yeah, yeah. When you have to talk for an hour, it's a bit different. Roy has, what is this for the first time? A celebration. Oh, I love it. I don't know if we've had a celebration before. That's fun. Celebrate good times.

Come on. I will. You should have heard before I know I was going to finish that. Come on, Roy, I will. I was talking about like, not literally, mate. Okay, so Roy is, Roy writes. Stand by what I said. I just want to say a massive congratulations on five years to the day as I'm writing this.

That's in brackets or parentheses. Well, hypenthesies. Just want to say a massive congratulations on five years on Matt saying day one, randomly during episode 194 race around the world. Wow, five years since day one. Day one. Day one. Oh, my God.

Just don't know. Day. You still don't know what you were talking about. We didn't know either? Didn't we just sort of go, and I was like later in the episode, I said, I've got to clear this up. I can't stop thinking about it.

Is that how it happened? I said day one earlier. So it's, what day are we up to then? Yeah, well, you do the sums. Five times 365 plus probably one for a leap year in there as well, maybe two leap years. It's too confusing. 1,827.

Wow. Crazy. So, say that number again? 1827. Day 1827. Side question, what's been your favorite moment in the show from the last eight and a half years or so? I think you can probably guess mine. You like day one.

On your Roy. Favorite moment. There was a time where we, like I did spew out some weird things because was that around the same time as Daesh? No, Daesh. Yeah, I got a similar period. Me having to come up with something on the spot. Don't my brain get me douche. Favorite moment, I mean, I'm just...

It's too many. I mean, my recent favorite moment, it's got to be Brad Piss. Of course. And yeah, the first one I thought of was, I think it was actually a Patreon episode anyway, but it was Matt really losing it about the marathon runners. Oh, yeah, that's great. That's one of my favorite moments.

But you really break Matt. I break easy. No offense. It's like, it's a bad. thing of me. I've really had big laughs at a lot of things. I'm an easy laugh. Breaking you two is a treat. Brad Piss was a delight because you really lost. I thought you were going to throw up. Me too. You thought you were going to throw up. From A to Ant also got me written the last year. Oh yeah. A to Ant was great. But yeah, when you really get Matt going, it's delightful.

It happens once a year or so. Yeah. And it's really fun. And it's not always on the pod. I'd say, you know, but it's great when it was something recently. It was something recently, it was an image that was getting you going. You had to shut the laptop. You couldn't think about it and you would start laughing. No, no, no, no, no. Oh, yeah, because we were about to record. I'm like, I can't.

What was it? It was something really stupid. There was a meme or something. Yeah. It was a real stupid thing. Dying laughed. No, no, no, no. Yeah, that's right.

He had to keep closing the laptop. He's like, I can't look at this. No, no, no, no. There was one at a, I can't remember it was about one of our Christmas live shows at Comedy Republic. Something happened. Oh. Oh, no, it was the who knew it when one of you wrote.

Yes. A movie synopsis, I can't remember what I'd had, but it was like... Yeah, it broke you. It broke me, yeah. But speaking of live shows, there was also the time, the dinnerware confusion. Oh. The Sydney show, that was good fun. And then later that show, we sang the nanny theme.

I think something about Dave not knowing a basic word or something is really interesting. You know where a sugar bowl is? Sugar ball! And then my dad texted me to say, of course we had a sugar bowl growing up. And I'm like, oh, Yeah, that bowl that had the sugar in it. It's a sugar ball. Because what were you, what was your confusion with that one?

So someone's nickname was Sugar Bowl and I was like, what do you mean? And you were like a sugar bowl. I was like, what's that? Like, you were saying, like, d'auch. And I was like, what does that mean? Yeah. Whereas dinnerware, you can sort of understand. Yes.

If you, starting from scratch, dinnerware, that means clothes your wear to dinner. Yes. Yeah, yeah. That was fun. So there's lots of, lots of favour moments. But also, I forget nearly everything. Immediately. Yeah, a lot of fun moments.

I've forgotten the episode we're doing the Patreon for right now. I love the episode. One of my favorite moments was your BTK episode, Jess, and I missed some clear clue early on that it was a solved case. Oh. So I was listening to that whole thing, being like, and it's still a mystery in my head. But you knew, obviously, and Dave heard what you said at the start.

But when you revealed he was caught, man, that was exhilarated. Yeah, fist pumping. Yeah, that felt so good. What about the twin reveal in the... Oh, that was a great moment. That was a good one. You're a great revealer. That was the best moment.

I am very revealing. Best block moment that was last year. That was a good one. It's funny. We normally don't like to talk about ourselves like this. But thank you for asking. Thanks a much of Roy, Shannon, Joseph and Libby. Next thing we do is thank a few of our other great Patreon supporters.

Justin only comes up with a bit of a bit of a game based on the topic at hand. It's slightly trickier. It is a tough one. Now, we can either do murder weapons. Oh, yeah. Sash weight. Alibis. Ooh, giant Italians.

Yeah. That's funny. And the clue that they leave in Italian newspaper. Why would they have? It's just such a funny thing. They've killed a man. They've stolen the jewels. We'll have a quick read of the paper.

Oh, I almost forgot. I didn't check the stocks. I didn't check the Italian. It was like anarchist stocks. Yeah. And I'll leave that behind. I didn't check if that ball on my left at the stocks went off. Well, I've read it.

Well, I guess they might, you know, any of the ones we left living here, they might want to read it. All right. Well, which one do you want to choose out of those two, Papa? Let's do it an alibi. We can work together. All right, great. I'll read them out. Not an alibi, but like who they said, you know what I mean.

You know what I mean. Yeah, so you've been basically caught almost red-handed, but you've said, no, no, no. It wasn't me. It was the one-armed man. Yeah, yeah. Dave comes up with them. Jess, you say the piece of evidence that they leave to. Perfect.

Yep. All right. First time I love to thank. I've got my first one ready to go. You don't even know what the... No, no, no, no. It'll work. It'll work.

This is a perfect versatile thing. Okay, great. All right. First of I love to thank from Lower Hut, New Zealand, it's putrid crevice. It was one of our funniest Patreon support. But isn't it? Is it better or what? I think it's better now knowing that it's a Kiwi.

Putrid chrisant, putrid crevice. That's way better, right? That is good. Because I was picturing a lot. It sounds English, I'm putrid crevice. I'm putrid. That is absolutely putrid. No, that's Australian, isn't it?

Petrovis's alibi. No, it wasn't me. It was the McDonald's hamburger. They dropped by and stole all of the things. Yep. And they left behind a sponge. That had like the McDonald's logo water? He says this punch.

A happy meal sponge? No. Just a regular sponge. Pudrid crevice. Yeah, I... No offence of you, putrid, but... I don't really know. Putrid.

Pudgeon. It's like, well, obviously, I'm not framing him. Otherwise, I would have put down a happy meal or something. Exactly. Spunge. Spunge. I think we should believe Petrives. Putechit crevice

Crop cruevis Putechid crevice I think I said it best the first time Anyway next up Sutton Forest is where they're from In New South Wales Australia It's Kate It's Kate!

Kate L pat No, it wasn't Kate didn't do the crime No As if Kate would have done it Kate L Kate O Kate O Kate I

It was the little Girl Scout Selling cookies Door to Door Who broke in Did the crime And then left But what did they leave behind you That's for the first two

It's giving you such obvious things for it to be and are you going to take that or are you going to go your own way, Jess? The mop. Which, of course, they carry door to door. Because if you're selling cookies and someone immediately starts cooking them, they're eating them, you can say,

whoa, whoa, whoa, don't worry, part of the service, we'll mop up. And obviously when you've committed a horrific murder, as this girl scout did, a triple homicide. Yeah. You've got to clean up after the crime and she did that with a mop. Yeah. It wasn't Kate. It wasn't Kate.

It was the cookie scout with the mop. With the mop. You do the crime, you do the time mopping up. Next up from Thornbury here in Melbourne, Victoria. It's Lauren Marr. Lauren, Lauren, Mar. It wasn't Lauren Mar who did the crime. It was her neighbour, Richard.

Oh. It was rich. You know, everyone knows Richard. Richard. They live in a building. They all know Richard. Yeah, we've all got a Richard. Mine's an Andrew.

I don't know. Ruth, she blamed a mythic, someone who doesn't exist. So knowing she'd get away with it in her dreams. Yeah. And they'll be chasing this guy doesn't really exist. But in the case of Lauren Maher, she's fingering her neighbor. Yeah, yeah. Because Richard's opened the door to see the police and gone across the hall going,

hey, what's going on? Yes, he did it. It was Richard. Richard did it. And I've got evidence because he left behind. Tiger Cub. The tiger cub. Classic Richard.

That's why nobody likes him. He's always breeding tigers in there. You should do him for that as well. Is this true? Or is this also a life? He's like, no, I don't. I can prove that quite easily. And also the tiger cub has escaped.

So there's no evidence of him leaving in tiger tiger. Yeah, but it was here. It was here. It has scratched the couch and that was not done by a knife. No. And the crime is fraught. Thank you so much, Laura. Next up from Lollinger.

Allerland. Los Angeles in California. It's John Wagner. John Wagner. And John Wagner's been arrested. But don't worry, he's got a rock solid alibi, and he can tell you who did the crime. And that person is a small mouse. Oh, yeah. A small mouse broke in and did the crime, framed me. But don't worry, I've got some mouse-based evidence. Yeah. And that small mouse left behind. A 14-kil. wheel of cheese. Exactly. No wonder the mouse left are behind.

Exactly. They can't carry that. Mouse aren't mice aren't ants. Mouse aren't ants. Mouse aren't ants. Okay? Mouse aren't ants. Mouse aren't ants.

Mouse aren't ants. They can't carry stuff that's way heavier than it. And then from then on, John in the interview was completely silent. No comment. I refer to my previous sermon, mouse on ants. I've seen everything I need to say. from Wembley in Great Britain. It's Liam Rutherford.

Liam Rutherford has been arrested for an armed robbery. Whoa. But it wasn't Liam. It was Tom York, lead singer of Radiohead. Oh, yeah. And what did Tom leave behind? A cello. Oh, yeah.

Exactly. Musician. Radiohead known for cellos. Exactly. Heaps of it. Yeah. And fair enough, you leave it behind. How are you going to run away with the cello?

I thought you can put the cash in the case though. Oh, shit. Yeah. So he left, he took the case full of cash. Left a cello. Perfect. Tom York, you are diabolical. You're done it again.

From Miriam in the United States. In Kansas, perhaps, it's Kyle Potter. Kyle Potter. And Matt remind me, what was the crime for Kyle Potter? The crime for Kyle Potter was a grand theft larceny. Oh, wow, great theft alasenie. Is that a thing? I think you've added the theft in?

Okay, grand larceny. What does larceny mean? We don't have time to look it up. What we do have time is to say it wasn't him. It was a man with a jack-o-lantern on his head. It sounds like it's theft. It's unlawful taking or removing of another. This is why you didn't need to say theft.

It is. It means theft. Great. Grand theft loss. Because it's actually like, say, ATM machine or PIN number. Yeah, that would be the true. the case if he didn't steal someone's theft. Oh, yeah.

Okay, Greg, great, sorry. I say what you're saying. Yeah, no, fair enough. But it wasn't, he didn't steal the theft. Someone else stole the theft and it was the man wearing the jackalanton on his head. Yeah. Oh. Jack?

Pumpkin Jack. What's his name? Yeah, the jack lantern. I mean, you'll find him. There's not that many of them. Is it like a permanent that is his head or he's wearing it? We don't know. Right.

We don't know. It could be his head. My theory is it's probably his head. Yeah. Because while would you wear that? If you could take it off, you would. Yeah. Who is that guy?

And he's left behind a Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz costume. Oh, okay. A plaid dress, the red slippers. Was that going to be the little escape outfit? Like you do the crime wearing the jack-o-lantern and then you put on the... Look, it's hard to say if that was going to be an escape outfit or if he just had somewhere else to be later that night, maybe a costume party. Could have been Jack Pumpkinhead, fictional character from the land of Oz. It could have been.

He appears in many of the classic Oz books. Could have also been Richard dressed up with the costume. Do you think he's on a crumbs spray? I think all of these could have been Richard. But you got to remember. I hate Richard. Richard ain't a mouse. A mouse ain't a man.

No, I've made it sound more like English. Mouse on ants. Mouse on ants. Mouse on ants. Our son ants. Is that what you're saying? Yes, ass on ants. Ass on ants.

From Springdale, Arizona in the United States. Please and thank you, Brantley Wheeler. Brantley Wheeler. The Wheelers, weren't they also Oz characters? Doesn't matter, but what did happen? What did happen? What did happen? I'll tell you what did happen.

But it made what did happen. What did happen? I tell you what is that happened. Randy Willis has been framed by Ronald Reagan's nephew. Oh. Wow. Yeah. And they're real proud of it.

Yeah. I'm Rod and Ray. Oh, you might have heard of my uncle. Ronnie. Oh, you might know him as President Ronald Reagan. Wow. Yeah, but I call her Uncle Ron. But my name is Rex Reagan.

Rex Reagan. And Rex Reagan left behind the taxidermied body of Falap. Oh, wow. And that led everybody straight to the Regans. Yes. They famously like horses. No Fire Lapp specifically. Yeah, they love Kiwi-born Australian champion racehorse who was killed in America.

They love it. Going to do that episode one day, but I guess I kind of just did. Yes, spoilers. From Ellicott City in MD, probably Maryland. Probably. In the United States or Maryland, as we'd say here, but we're fools. it's Tyler Brown Tyler Brown has been framed

but it wasn't Tyler It wasn't Tyler And it wasn't the one-armed man And it certainly wasn't the two-armed man It was the three-armed man Oh wow An extra arm coming from the chest Was it that guy from

From that book that you told me And Jess about on bookcheat Yes Guardians of the Galaxy No Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy It could have been

I have to re-listen to that I've forgotten it. I'm listening to the book at the moment. That's why I remember it. Yes, Tyler Brown. So the three-armed man did it? Yep. Jess, what do they leave behind?

Well, he's not just a three-armed man. He's also a three-boobed man. Oh, yeah. So he's left behind a three-shell bra. Oh, wow. Yeah, okay. For his aerial costume. There must be a costume party happening.

Yes, doesn't it seem? Like, if the Dorothy costume. Figure this out. Yeah. I think you might be able to figure out that all these criminals are coming from the same party. Richard? They're all Richard.

Oh my God. Richard's the man of a thousand outfits. Yeah, and the man of a thousand arms. Really? Yeah. That sounds like that would... How many outfits do you reckon you've worn in your life? Oh, seven.

Seven, eight? From birth to now, hundreds of years for you? For us, a very normal, cool amount. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, seven, eight, nine. Nine? Nine. Nine.

It's all Friends of Rom theme. Yeah, it's funny. Some days I'm wearing like multiple layers of Friends or Rom. And I don't realize take off a Friends or Wrong top. And people would be like, what they? I'm not doing. It's just a half of my walk to have Friends or Rom. Finally, from Address Unknown.

Can I only assume from TEP was in the Fortress of the Moles. Please. And thank you, Mark and Daniel. It wasn't Mark and Daniel. It wasn't for the last time. For goodness sakes, it wasn't marketing, but it was two other people. It was Mary Kate and Ashley Olson. Whoa.

I knew it. When they were up to no good. Because they started making trouble in their neighbourhood. But, I mean, the story goes on. But what was left behind? They actually left behind their birth certificates. Oh, yeah. Rookie era.

Yeah, so that actually made it very obvious. Because obviously, we all carry ours around at all time just in case. Here's mine. They'll probably on their way to birth death and marriages or the DMV or something. Yeah, yeah. to do what? You know, update their... Just check in, update.

Yeah, and maybe they needed their... What's that number that Americans have? Social Security number. They probably had to update this. Social Security number. Yeah, you got to update that. Yeah, yeah. It's not just a one done.

You've got to keep updating it. No, it's not one done. You've got to bring in your birth certificate update your house, S and SAC. Do you get to pick your own number? I'd like 69, 699, 699. Please. Yeah. All right, Mary Kate.

Well, Ashley says I... Ashley speaks on the third person. Ashley says I want 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6969. All right, well, you'll have to rock off for it. All right. Oh, we drew. We always do.

We're twins. That's how it would have gone. Thank you so much to Mark and Daniel, Tyler, and Brantley and Kyle and Liam and John and Lauren and Kate and Putrid. The last thing we need to do. It's early in the day. The last thing we need to do, I think recently we become more sensible as the day goes on.

Do you reckon I hate that about us? Because then I go home and I'm sensible. I'm like, hello, darling, I'm home from work. Business, business, business. Yes. Shall we make dinner and discuss stock? I don't want to do that. I thought you were going to say love.

Shall we make love? No, absolutely not. Dinner and discuss things. Yeah. Discuss love. Shall we talk about our investments? Shall we plan for the future, darling? So I talk.

Are you done with the business section, darling? Pass it over It's the only section I wish to read Darling Take a darling Thank you darling As you were darling

As you were darling Darling So I think that was a pretty good impersonation of your beloved partner But are you Sorry should check in

Still in love Still in love Okay For now Yeah The last thing we like to do Is the TripTitch Club We welcome in a few

People have been On the shoutout level Or above for three straight years. There's three inductees this week. Dave, explain what the Tripitch Club is. This is our Hall of Fame slash Clubhouse slash Hangout Zone. For people that have been supporting the show for three consecutive years, we say,

hey, we appreciate you. And we want to induct you into our Hall of Fame. We let you run on in while previous members cheer you. And then once you're inside, there's everything you can imagine. There's music. There's drinks. There's lights. There's cameras.

There's action. There's all sorts of things. There's table ice hockey. There's booths. It's supposed to just be. air hockey. Well, you've got to be more clear about that. I couldn't be clear about it.

I've put a big sign on it saying no one touch, especially Matt. Yes. And you keep covering my air hockey table in ice. You know how often you speak ironically? It's hard to keep track. Okay, so how can I make it clear to you not to touch my air hockey table? For starters, don't draw a winky face after that. Okay.

Fair enough, I was trying to lighten the blow because I felt like I was being me. Well, to me, it just comes across it as... Like, don't touch it, touch it. Yeah. Okay, but I have also put a padlock over it. Like, I don't understand how you keep breaking into it. Yes, but you also put a winky face on it. Oh.

Okay. I'm just really into winking right now. I know you're into winking. I know you're trying to make winking your thing. Yeah. Stop trying to make winking your thing. It's not going to happen. I want to be a winker.

Well, it's not happening. Okay. Well, thank you for being real with me. Because everyone's saying it. Everyone's like, she's not, she's trying so hard. Okay, that hurts, but thank you for, you know, being honest with me. Anyway, whatever, let's just move on. Welcome to people in.

Please don't touch my hockey table. Okay. And Jess, you're behind the bar. You sort of cater, you sort of do whatever liquid catering is. Yeah. And do you have any drinks or foods based on today's topic? Where was this one set? This one set in New York City.

New York City. Was it? Yeah. Well, it was, yeah, it was. Okay. Well, that's where the, it happened. Queens Village, New York City. Great.

So, New York. But he was in Syracuse for a bit as well. New York, what do you think of? Hot dogs. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I got hot dogs. Got some New York slice.

Yeah, which is what they call a hot dog cut in half, isn't it? Yes. A slice and half, right down the middle. Yeah. It's actually very precise. And you say, I want the left side. Yeah, yeah. So, no worries.

No worries. There you go. So we got that. And then for beverages, I have water. Oh, you think New York. You think water. Yeah. Straight from the Hudson River.

Yep. Wow. Delicious fresh Hudson water. It's good stuff. That's hardy. Yeah, that's what you say. All right, so there's three inductees this week. Dave, you got a band playing the after party quickly?

Yes, and when I think New York, I think Portuguese, Canadian singer-songwriter Nelly Fittardo is here. She's like a bird. More than anyone else I know. Still killing it. Nellie Fattato, 192nd most played artist in the world on Spotify at the moment. That's pretty good. Still killing it. Top two.

Hunge. 27 million monthly listeners. Huge. And now we get to see her live. All the hits, promiscuous, man eater, I'm like a bird. Eat your man, et cetera. Yep. Man eater and ate your man.

She's hungry. Eat your man is a Dom dollar one. She features on Dom Dumbled way. Dumb Della ways. He said Dumb Dolaways funny. Dom dollar. Dom Dome Dolaways. Correct.

That's some niche stuff. All right. So I've got to be. getting ready, don't know. I'm hyping myself up. Oh, yeah, that's right. Hey, no need for that. I'm here, baby.

So we have three inductees this week. I'm on the door. I got the piece of paper, the clipboard, got the names. I'm going to read them out. Dave's on stage. He's hyping you up. If you hear your name, run on in,

he'll hop you up. Everyone else in there's going to cheer along. Jess will hop up Dave. Because he does pretty weak wordplay. That's how he hires you are. Come on, mate. You're ridiculous. You just heard I need to hop myself up over here.

You are absolutely insane. I'm lowering their expectations. You're an awful friend. you can at least just about get over. You're a really bad friend. I actually appreciate the lowering part. Yeah. All right.

So first up, please welcome from Mount Riverview in New South Wales, Australia. It's Sabella Hebbels. More like my best paler Hebels. Yes. Woo! Sabella Hebels. I'm so sorry.

I have a bad feeling. I've not got that right. Also, from welcome them from Telfiner in Texas in the United States. It's Leroy Haines. More like Leroy Fines. Oh, Leroy, you fine. Yeah, that kind of thing. Oh, you're not like making him pay for an infringement.

No, no, no, no. But Leroy can afford it because they're worth it. And finally from Western Supermare, which I believe is where the tall guy from Monty Python's from in Great Britain. A couple of them are quite tall. What's the real tall? John Cleese. It's Jake Middleton.

Jake Middleton. The end no fake Middleton. It's Jake Middleton. Oh, oh, oh. Wow, Dave, you've done it again. Welcome in Jake, Leroy and Sabella. Make yourselves at home. Please play a bit of table ice hockey.

Enjoy a huddo water. Yep. Mmm, that's huddy. And enjoyment. Deli Fetado, let's not forget. Yes. Oh, yeah. You didn't even read out my favourite one of hers,

which I can't remember what it was, but it was a different one. Anyway, that brings to the end of episode. Is there anything we need to tell people just before we go? If you would like to suggest a topic, you can, your beautiful little butterfly. There's a link in the end of the episode. the show notes and you can also find it on our website do go onpod.com where you can find info

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No, no, don't. Because that sounds funny. Actually edited that out, please, AJ. Unless you're really pissing your pants. Like, literally. How would AJ laugh? Squelching. If you're sitting in a squelch, I'll leave it in.

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