Two In The Think Tank - 459 - Terry Fox & The Marathon of Hope

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Starting point is 00:03:46 One more time go to squarespace.com slash do go on. Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Warnocky and as always, I'm here with Jess Perkins and Matt Stewart. Hello. Hello, Dave. Hello, Jess. What a pleasure to be here in the podcast studio here at Stupid Old Studios. Where we don't live. No.

Starting point is 00:04:20 No. That is weird. That is weird that that seems to have been insinuated online. We don't live in this room. On the Reddit? Do you see it on the do go on Reddit? I just want to know where people are getting their information. Because that's crazy.

Starting point is 00:04:35 And that photo is clearly doctored. Yeah. I wasn't in my jocks out the front scratching my balls reading the morning paper. That didn't happen here at Street Build Studios. That didn't happen here. They took that photo from my home. Which you have. And they chopped it out and put it out the front of Stubbiddle Studios. It was a joke. It was a joke if yeah. Yeah so it's crazy that people think we live here because we don't we arrive here we do our work and then we leave. We leave. Every time. We've been outside of this place. Of course. Far beyond the welcome map where you might be in your jocks in the morning.

Starting point is 00:05:10 Sure. Hypothetically. If you were to live here, hypothetically. I keep all my clothes here, but that's just for convenience. Yes. Would you like to get changed mid-pod? You do a Taylor Swift five times change pod. Correct.

Starting point is 00:05:23 Which is what she's famous for. Exactly. Her podcast's a while, which is what she's saying. Yeah, podcast a while. And so is mine. Yeah. I'm wearing black pants now, but by the end of it, blue. Brown. Well, that's in the middle. That's before the change.

Starting point is 00:05:33 You can't turn black into brown. I said, yes, I can. I think you'll find. You're a real illusionist. Practical magic. Anyway, what's this show about Jess again? This show is about the three of us and our friendship, ultimately. It's documenting nine years of friendship now, isn't it?

Starting point is 00:05:51 Yeah, you could go back to the start and hear us hate each other. Very frosty. Yeah, frosty. Your hate's too strong. We don't know each other. We just didn't know you. We were sending our own room together by our producers. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:06:04 Because we are a, what do you call those things that are like a, an industry thing? A plant. We're a plant. We're industry plant. We're industry plant. Yes. We're three industry plants and we were planted together. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:06:12 By the industry. We were created by Simon Cowell. Yes. Yes. And yeah, so you can hear us get along. But while we're, while we're learning about each other, we're also learning about different topics. We've done all sorts of things. Dolly Parton to Bigfoot.

Starting point is 00:06:29 Bigfoot. And how that works is one of us goes away, researches a topic often suggested to us by our wonderful listeners. We live in it. We bathe in it. We become experts in it. And we come back and we tell the other two about it who listen politely, never interrupt and never say anything dumb or inappropriate. And never say die never say anything dumb or inappropriate. And never say die. Never. Never. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:06:50 Unless you have a gun to your head. You'll actually be really impressed what sets us apart as well as that we never speak over each other. Never. It never happens. It's the craziest thing. And I'll stop you there Jess, as a feminist, I think it's important for the people who believe in feminism, which I do, and that is to raise up people like you Jess and not to talk over

Starting point is 00:07:10 people like you, which I think of as women. And that's just me. But I- What about people like Dave? If you would let me finish- Can I talk? Yes, of course. Thank you. It's Jess's turn this week. That's just me. But I- What about people like Dave? If you would let me finish. Can I talk? Yes, of course.

Starting point is 00:07:26 Thank you. It's Jess's turn this week to report on a topic. Yes. And of course, we'd love to hear what you're going to say. But before you get to that, you always- We always start with a question. Famously, Jess, you don't always have a question locked and loaded. I certainly don't have one when I arrive here first thing in the morning.

Starting point is 00:07:46 Of course not. But I usually- When you arrive, yes. When I arrive, which I do. Yeah, not when you wake up. In my car, I drive here. I go brum-brum and I get here and now I'm here. But right before we hit record, I do always write a question. Fantastic.

Starting point is 00:07:57 Okay. That's not, maybe not always in the past, but always now. Yes. Cause Matt and I, we're in the dark here. We don't know what you're going to talk about. So it could be anything. What's it going to be? It's exciting.

Starting point is 00:08:04 My question is the Terry Fox run originated in which country? Yes, it is Canada. Thank you. Un-fucking-believable. Oh, that was a good one. Wait, you asked a question. Un-fucking-believable. What?

Starting point is 00:08:19 Jesus Christ. What was I meant to do? You've ruined everything. That's for sure. I'm sorry. You've ruined the flow of the show. Yeah. Because it was going to be a reveal You've ruined everything, that's for sure. Sorry. You've ruined the flow of the show. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:08:27 Because it was going to be a reveal at the end that it all happened in Canada. A bit like when you're watching a really good movie and then it turns out it was all a dream. Why did you ask the question then? Oh my god, it was all Canada. Yeah. I'm kidding, well done, it was Canada. Canada. Well done.

Starting point is 00:08:43 Sorry, I forgot to tell the new listeners that we're also a comedy podcast, so we have a bit of fun, okay? We're a kid. We have a bit of fun with it. So that was just a classic kid. And also, hey, comedy, it's subjective. So you might be saying, when are you gonna say something funny?

Starting point is 00:08:57 Correct. Well, maybe never to you. To you, but somebody else might be absolutely piss in their pants right now. Dave, that's why he's gotta to get another pair on SprixMart. He's up to stage yellow. You're obviously aware of the Terry Fox run? I'm not, but I don't know why I know that, but I just, I hear Terry Fox and my brain

Starting point is 00:09:19 goes Canada. Yeah, right. So there's, I don't know, I don't think I know a single thing about it apart from that. Cool. Dave, any recollection of this at all? Maybe. Because it has been suggested a lot. Maybe that's why. I think that's probably, possibly why I have some vague ideas because it's been suggested

Starting point is 00:09:35 a lot. Honestly, it's, it's quite a list of people that have suggested this topic and anybody can, it's free choice for me at the moment, but this is one I've wanted to do for a little while because yeah, it has been suggested a lot. It's been suggested by Jake from Canada, uh, Luke Kruger from Calgary, Canada, uh, Travis Saar from Canada, Scott Coventry from Canada. Okay. This is probably why we're starting to think it was Canadian. Christine Mulder from Brisbane.

Starting point is 00:10:02 Okay. Canada. Mulder. Matthew Bore from Canada. Justin Graham from Canada. Jamie Ellison from Canada. In fact, I'll just read it and if they're from somewhere else, I'll say Kelly Trey, Darcy Williamson, Gracie, Michael Luchisano, Dan Kyle. Sorry, I misspoke over them. Dan Kyle. Thank you, Dan Kyle.

Starting point is 00:10:27 John Wick from Iowa. So that's not Canada. Joel Tremblay, Canada. Shannon Goddely, Fraser Green, Jared Brazel. Jared Brazel, holy shit. Well, it's written like Brazil, but Jarrett says pronounced like Razzle, but with a B in front. Oh my God, Jared Brazel.

Starting point is 00:10:37 Jared Brazel is so good. Jared Brazel. But it's spelled like Razzle. And it's spelled like Razzle. And it's spelled like Razzle. And it's spelled like Razzle. And it's spelled like Razzle. And it's spelled like Razzle. And it's spelled like Razzle. And it's spelled like Razzle. And it's spelled like Razzle. And it's written like Brazil, but Jarrett says pronounced like razzle, but with a B in front.

Starting point is 00:10:45 Oh my God. Jared Brazel. Jared Brazel is so good. But it's about Brazil. Yeah. Jared. I'm so sorry for your whole life. Imagine Jared Brazil. Jared Brazil is also fantastic, but Jared Brazel.

Starting point is 00:10:56 Incredible. I think that one person has suggested this topic and then come up with all these aliases. Surely. There's no way that Jared Brazel exists. So good. That's the best. But I love that a little extra detail of it is made up. Not like Brazil.

Starting point is 00:11:07 Yeah. It's like razzle-bazzle. Brazzle. Brazzle. Very good stuff. Will Groeneveld, has given it phonetically, which I appreciate. Justin Walsh and Lily Bagg.

Starting point is 00:11:21 Bagg. B-A-E-R-G. That is such a great, like you go, wow, what a lovely. Oh, Lily Bag. Oh, what a lovely. Oh, Brazzel Bag. I've definitely butchered it. And Lily, I apologise, but Lily is also from Canada.

Starting point is 00:11:48 Canada, fantastic. Great, great. So really only there was someone from Brisbane and someone from Iowa, but everybody else was from Canada. There's a great, great Canadian crowd work comedian, surnamed Bag. Ian Bag. Ian Bag.

Starting point is 00:12:02 The king of crowd work. The king of crowd work, yeah. Before it was big on TikTok. He'd just king of crowd work. The king of crowd work, yeah. Before it was big on TikTok. He'd just come out and do half an hour of- Wow. Just riffing. So funny too.

Starting point is 00:12:12 Yeah. Must be nice. Ah, the Bag family. I did some gigs in Sydney once and he was on every night as a headliner and it was like- You were on with Ian Bag? Holy shit. He had similar sort of, uh, sort of routines to get into the crowd work, but then it would be different every night based on who was there. And it was just really impressive to watch that form of him.

Starting point is 00:12:28 I can't believe you've performed with Ian Bagg. I bagged with the bag. That made me hate him a little bit. Don't you, Gray? Yeah. Yeah. I know we normally don't like say that on the podcast, we keep that for our private chat. I bagged with the bag?

Starting point is 00:12:43 Yeah, he sucks. That's awful. Disgusting. Anyway, so this is a report about a Canadian legend. Ian Bag? Ian Bag. Sorry, sorry. Terry Fox. So Terrence Stanley Fox, great name, born in Winnipeg on July 28th, 1958 to parents Roland and Betty Fox. He was the second of four kids growing up with his older brother, Fred and

Starting point is 00:13:12 younger siblings, Daryl and Judith. Great names. Yeah, I like them. In the year after 1965, the family moved to Surrey, British Columbia. I was like, that's a weird, oh, I turned my body towards Dave, like just keep reading. Listeners, you might not know this. What was this the year before 1967? 1965, the Saints lost the grand final that year, but the following year they... It's got one for every year. I know, it's incredible. The following year the Saints won their one and only VFL slash AFL premiership.

Starting point is 00:13:44 It's a bit like how he remembers where he was every time he saw a movie. I know it's incredible. The following year the Saints won their one and only VFL slash AFL Premiership. It's a bit like how he remembers where he was every time he saw a movie. He actually remembers every year he has existed. Yeah. So yeah, he has a pretty good memory. Anyway, so they moved to a part of Metro Vancouver. He was a very competitive kid, very sporty kid. He desperately wanted to join his school's basketball team, but unfortunately

Starting point is 00:14:03 was a little bit short to make the team. And I think also not particularly good at basketball. Okay. Just tell that to Mugsy. Yeah. But the height was a factor. They've definitely softened that with him. Hey, you just, oh, you just got to wait till you grow a little bit.

Starting point is 00:14:17 There's like a montage of him throwing up bricks. Airball after airball. Just a bit short. It's the height thing. Yeah, maybe a crossfit. We'll see. He's six foot two at 12 years old,. Just a bit short. It's the height thing. Yeah, maybe a cross-foot, we'll see. He's six foot two at 12 years old, but just a bit short. Anyway, so yes, this is from the Terry Fox Foundation. Terry, however, was terrible at the game, even by the standards of the Mary Hill Cobras.

Starting point is 00:14:38 It's like their primary school, basically. Bob McGill, the PE teacher, suggested Terry try out for cross-country running. He might as well have asked Terry to skydive. The boy had no interest in running, but Terry started training anyway because he had so much respect for the coach and wanted to please him. I think he said because he had so much time on his hand because basketball people are like, get out of here. Get out. He found the workouts exhausting and was often afraid to start the runs because they

Starting point is 00:15:03 were so demanding. It would be funny to find the workouts anything but exhausting, right? That's otherwise, what's the point of them? Is there any point to do anything if you don't end up exhausted? Uh, yeah, there's definitely stuff that you can do that you don't. Does everything exhaust you? Yeah, not the way we do it. Pretty much.

Starting point is 00:15:21 Not the way we do it. Again, I hate him a little bit. Okay. Why? Yeah. The way Matt and I approach it. Pretty much. Not the way we do it. Again, I hate him a little bit. The way Matt and I approach life. Is exhausting. It is exhausting to watch this as well. It's exhausting to be around, that's for sure. It's certainly exhausting to listen to. Well, I bagged with a bag, so pretty good.

Starting point is 00:15:38 Just trying to make it better and it's making it worse. I'm messaging Alistair Trumbulli-Bercher right now saying, Dave bagged with a bag and see if he understands what that means. So he was determined to stick with basketball, even if he was the 19th player on the team of 19. He worked hard in practice and was rewarded with one minute of floor play all season. So he ended up making the team, but he was sort of like, you know, he was like you in cricket.

Starting point is 00:16:03 Right, the honor, but was his one minute like during half time, like to polish the middle. Yeah. If you could just clean up some sweat, that'd be good. Thanks, Terry. One minute of play is so great. Especially the coach keeps putting it off too, and it's the final minute of the game, scores are tied. He's like, fuck, I've got to get Terry in there.

Starting point is 00:16:20 But we actually just really need a goal. Or you wait to a game, you're winning by 20 points and you're like, you're chucking it in for a minute. How bad could it be wait to a game, you're winning by 20 points and you're like, you're chucking in for a minute. How bad could it be? 30 seconds later, you're losing by 50. How? How did he do it? So this is again, from the, the foundation's website.

Starting point is 00:16:36 McGill's policy was not to cut anyone from the team, but he let the boys know that, that only the best 12 players would be allowed floor time. In grade nine. Terry was one of the 12 best. He worked hard. At basketball? Yeah. One of the 12 best five on the court at a time.

Starting point is 00:16:54 He was 12. And do you think that mean one of the 12 tallest had he just had a grass? No, no, he worked really hard. Like he was, uh, like really dedicated to it and practiced a lot where some of the others were sort of like, you know, just maybe a bit more naturally talented. So took their foot off the pedal a little. He was like really working. He was very dedicated to it and he's young.

Starting point is 00:17:14 Australia is in the group of death in the men's Olympics basketball group of death. Group of death. You know, that's the one where there's always one group in those tournaments that is like two go through, but there's three teams that would think they should maybe could or should. Right. And are we the fourth team? Well yeah, all four nations are quite good basketball nations, you know, world stage

Starting point is 00:17:38 style. Canada's one. Okay. Australia, Spain and Greece, which is a Janus's team, obviously. Ah. So they've got one particularly good player. But anyway, it would be fun to watch us play Canada. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:17:54 Although people are upset. We didn't didn't name. What's his name? Theobald or whatever in the team. Theobald. I'm a real basketball guy. Yeah. And you're talking to two people and our eyes are glazing over. I thought you would be able to take that up and run with it. No, I'm sorry. I watched it. Like I'll watch it during the Olympics, but I'm not, I don't know anybody. Um, I don't know anybody.

Starting point is 00:18:19 Who are you? What am I doing? I was trying to think of who you could mean by Theobald. No, I think, yeah, that's a name I recognise. Or I could be wrong. I don't know anyone. Was it Theobald or Dantexan maybe, which is very different. Doesn't matter.

Starting point is 00:18:32 I know that name. Yeah, Matisse. Yes, it was Matisse. I've never, I don't know if, yeah, Theobald. Thigh, it's written like thigh-bull-ay. But I think in my head, I just always sort of I should have said Matisse. AJ, could you edit that around so I sound really good at basketball knowing? And also edit that sentence around so that the words are in the right place to make sense.

Starting point is 00:18:54 Thanks, AJ. Or just drop it all out if it's easier. We're talking about a 12 year old child or maybe not even. So, Terry. So, yes, he's worked really hard. He's gone from like not making the team to making the team, but like being the 19th person on the team and getting one minute to being like one of the better players. That's great. So he's worked his way up.

Starting point is 00:19:15 He wanted to be as good as the coach believed he could be. He was such an inspirational person. I wanted to show him that I was a lot better than being laughed at by the other players, Terry recalls, he's talking about the coach. The coach that told him, you shouldn't play basketball, you should just run around. Yeah, I think he's misunderstood. Was the coach believing in his running abilities or his basketball as well? Well, McGill, there's a quote from McGill next, McGill chuckled with pride, remembering

Starting point is 00:19:39 the way he pushed and encouraged the team and the way Terry in particular responded. If I'd told Terry to hit his head against the wall, he would have McGill said, cause that's how much he believed in what I was trying to do. So McGill kind of, he was like, yeah, he wasn't good enough at basketball to make the team the first time. So he said like tri cross country running or, and I think he also said like wrestling or something. So Terry did other sporting stuff and then worked hard and

Starting point is 00:20:01 made his way onto the team. So yeah, by year 10, he was a starting player and earned the respect of his teammates and teachers. So you get the idea. He works hard. He's very determined to excel. That's great. That's impressive.

Starting point is 00:20:12 And he did. He was a very talented athlete, not just in basketball. He shared athlete of the year with his friend, Doug Allwood in grade 12. Doug had become an accomplished runner and came second in the, in the British Columbia, cross-country finals. He and came second in the British Columbia cross country finals. He always liked to deflect the attention from himself saying that Terry deserved the award more because Terry was a better basketball player.

Starting point is 00:20:33 He was a first class soccer player and a gutsy rugby player. So he was just very sporty. Wow. After finishing school, he enrolled at Simon Fraser University in Vancouver. He studied kinesiology while at university. He made it onto the junior varsity basketball team and played and planned on using his education to become a PE teacher. So he was obviously quite inspired by his school PE teacher.

Starting point is 00:20:57 Mike McNeil, the first string guard on the varsity team, said, in the summer after high school, we knew Terry was coming out for the team. I played against him offensively and he wasn't that good, but defensively, he was one of the toughest I'd ever played against. He had a lot of pride and he worked hard. His determination and hard work paid off and he made the team. There were more talented players who didn't make it, McNeil recalled, but Terry just outgutted them.

Starting point is 00:21:21 People tend to look in awe at players who have a lot of natural ability, but respect from other athletes goes to the guy who works really hard. And that was Terry. Did he out gutted them or just gut them? He out gutted them. Yeah. Yeah. He was putting up guttering around a house. He did that better than anyone. Yeah, and very quick.

Starting point is 00:21:40 Because the coach kept going, basketball not your thing. Try guttering. We haven't found it yet. We'll find what you're good at. Painting. Accounting? Yeah. Are you good with numbers? Six times five?

Starting point is 00:21:52 Don't know it? Okay. Okay. We can do this. We'll figure this out. I keep thinking back to the name that you called this. The fox race? Cherry Fox Run.

Starting point is 00:22:02 Run. Babe, I'm two paragraphs in. I'm setting the scene a little. No, I'm just curious how we're going from. I know it's exciting, babe. Babe? I'm trying out a new thing. Do you like it? Babe, I'm excited. He's a little too excited over there. Yeah, I won't call him babe anymore. Yeah. Like the pig?

Starting point is 00:22:20 That's sick. Oh my god. That's actually awesome. I want to be a little pig. That would be sick. I want to be a little smart pig. I want to be a little talking pig. That would be so sick. Oh my god. That's actually awesome. I want to be a little pig. That would be sick. I want to be a little smart pig. I want to be a little talking pig. That would be so sick. You're in- Matt's really into being a talking pig. Anyway, so- I want to be a little talking pig, babe.

Starting point is 00:22:38 Okay, babe. That'll do. I'm just setting the scene of like the type of person, very, um, very driven, very determined, hardworking. Yeah. A lot of guts, a lot of tenacity. That's right. Love this guy.

Starting point is 00:22:53 So November 12th, 1976, Terry's driving home to like the family home. And as he's driving, he gets distracted by, there's some like bridge construction happening and he kind of is having a look at that. I could do better guttering than that. It's terrible. And because he was distracted, he crashed into the back of a pickup truck. Luckily no one was seriously injured, but he did injure his right knee. And after several weeks, he was still feeling quite a bit of pain, but he decided to play through the pain until the end of the basketball season. But by March the following year, so four months after the car accident, the pain in his knee

Starting point is 00:23:27 was still there and if anything, it was kind of intensifying. So he finally went and got it checked out. He went to the hospital and doctors ran tests to see what was causing the continued pain in Terry's knee. So he went to the doctor and said, you know what's causing it? Yeah. Yeah, gotcha. Finally got an answer.

Starting point is 00:23:42 And the test revealed that Terry had osteosarcoma, so an aggressive bone cancer. And what caused by the accident or the accident unveiled it? Terry kind of blamed the accident, but doctors were like that. That is not how it works. Yeah. So I don't know. I'm so confused by cancer because I, someone said to me, like when I was a kid that you can get cancer from like being hit in certain ways and stuff. I'm like, that can't be right, can it? But then I heard recently that that can, you know, weird things can- Interesting.

Starting point is 00:24:14 Like spark a cancer. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Well, so I looked into this one and this is just from Wikipedia, which is a fascinating- Medical journal. Medical journal. Thank you. Peer review. Well, which is a fascinating. Medical journal. Medical journal. Thank you. Peer review.

Starting point is 00:24:26 Well, people review. Yeah. Yeah. And it says, many patients first complain of pain that may be worse at night, maybe intermittent or of a varying intensity and may have been occurring for a long time. Teenagers who are active in sports often complain of pain in the lower femur or immediately below the knee. If the tumor is large, it can present as overt localized swelling.

Starting point is 00:24:50 Sometimes a sudden fracture is the first symptom because the affected bone is not as strong as normal bone and may fracture abnormally with minor trauma. So maybe the car accident, someone with a healthy leg wouldn't have had the trauma. I just googled, can an impact injury cause cancer? And the first thing that comes up is the Canadian Cancer Society, which says injuries cannot cause cancer, but an injury may lead to finding cancer in the injured area. And so yeah, exactly right. For example, a bone that is weak from a cancerous tumor is more likely to break and treating

Starting point is 00:25:24 the broken bone could lead to the discovery of cancer. Yeah, exactly right. Do you reckon, if there's another paragraph, it would be, just like our hero, Terry Fox. Quite possibly. So yeah, that's kind of how his cancer was discovered. And whatever I just said before is absolute nonsense. And see, that's why it's important to peer review. Yes.

Starting point is 00:25:43 Matt says something unhinged and Dave and I go, oh, and that's peer review. And that's why it was clever for me to Google it now because people would have been absolutely furious about it. So backspace, backspace, backspace on those tweets. Okay? Just 50% of our listeners are doctors, is that right? That's right. Yeah, that's right.

Starting point is 00:26:01 So here's 18 year old Terry finding out the pain in his knee is actually bone cancer. Oh God, that's so awful. And the doctors are telling him that his right leg needs to be amputated and he'll have to undergo chemotherapy. He's 18. He's a star athlete. That sounds like sport. If he's playing all those sports, it sounds like it's his life.

Starting point is 00:26:18 Yeah, it's a big part of him. And he's like, he's studying kinesiology. So it's like the movement and he wants to be a PE teacher, which you can absolutely do as an amputee. But I'm just saying, like, obviously, sport and everything is very important to him. So doctors also told him that recent medical advances meant he had a 50% chance of survival, which doesn't sound that good. But only two years earlier, his chance of survival would have been more like 15%. Wow. That's quite an advancement. Huge advancement in two years earlier, his chance of survival would have been more like 15%. Wow. That's quite an advancement.

Starting point is 00:26:45 Huge advancement in two years. So timing was something like. Yeah. So the night before his amputation, Terry read an article about Dick Tram. OK, now I've got a picture in my mind, but let's see where this goes. Trom, T.A. Maybe it's Trom, because it's essentially trauma without the A at the end. Oh my God, Dick Trom. Dick Trom.

Starting point is 00:27:08 That's awful. No one wants any of that. Dick Trom was the first amputee to complete the New York City Marathon and the article inspired him. It sort of gave him hope for life after the surgery that he would still be able to be active. So the next day his right leg was amputated about 15 centimetres or six inches above the knee and Terry's determination and drive was admired by hospital staff who watched him persevere and commented on his

Starting point is 00:27:29 positive attitude. So much so that within three weeks he was walking with a prosthetic leg. He sounds like the perfect person to deal with any adversity. Like he's never, I mean from what I've learned, it's like it just never seems to get down, or hardly does, and you see, like I get knocked back from the basketball team, you know, I say, I'll never touch a basketball again. I will never touch a basketball.

Starting point is 00:27:53 I'm stabbing basketballs left, front, and center. No worries, I'll never. If I'm not immediately good at something, I'm never doing it again. If I'm having my leg amputated above the knee, or anywhere, I'm feeling sorry for myself for a bit. Yep. And for the first three weeks. Yeah. I'd be feeling sorry for myself. And you're 18. Like I remember being 18 and feeling bulletproof. Like you,

Starting point is 00:28:14 you can't fathom a world where something isn't perfect or working right in your body. And bullet bullets used to bounce off you. That's true. Until I was 19 and then they just started penetrating. You were penetrated by so many bullets after that. I know, it's crazy, isn't it? But yeah, your body then pushed them out and healed quickly. Yeah, yeah. But still.

Starting point is 00:28:33 Which I assume everyone does. But still, it's annoying that they penetrated it all. The bullets are a local basketball team. That was a big hit behind the shelter shed. Behind the shelter shed. Anyway. Jess, you took that to an interesting place. So yeah, three weeks he's walking with a prosthetic leg, which like, yeah, can take a lot of time to get used to and build up the muscles. But the amputation was just part one of his cancer battle and he had to undergo 16 months

Starting point is 00:29:07 of chemotherapy. While receiving his treatment, Terry spent time obviously with other cancer patients and watched as some of them suffered through really uncomfortable treatments and obviously die from their illness. So this first hand experience, along with the fact that the chance of his own survival had increased from 15% to 50% in a two year span, it sort of proved to him how important cancer research and funding was. And secretly he began to devise a plan for ways he could raise money.

Starting point is 00:29:36 But to his family, he just seemed to be Terry finding a way to continue his love of sport. But he's sort of in his mind, he's devising something. That's such a funny thing. That's such a funny thing. That's such a funny thing to be like my secret, my little secret shame. I hope no one finds out. I'm thinking about ways, I'm scheming. I'm scheming about ways to raise money for cancer research. Shh, shh, shh. Please.

Starting point is 00:29:57 I hope no one finds out. Don't tell anyone. Please. The scheming, does that mean he's going to like, you know, rob a bank or do a drug lab or something? Oh, the run is the getaway. This story could go anywhere. The Terry Fox run.

Starting point is 00:30:08 Yeah. Yeah. It's exciting. Fox on the run. I'm telling you, my reports are very exciting. I agree. Can't wait for the big twist. Thanks, babe.

Starting point is 00:30:18 In the summer of 77, a man named Rick Hanson, who was working with the Canadian Wheelchair Sports Association, invited Terry to try out for his wheelchair basketball team. He played a lot of basketball. 77 is the year that Collin withdrew with North Melbourne in the Grand Final. I'm fucking believable. So less than two months after learning how to play wheelchair basketball, Terry was named a member of the team for the national championship in Edmonton.

Starting point is 00:30:42 What? He won three national titles with the team and was named an all-star by the North American Wheelchair Basketball Association in 1980. What? That's actually amazing. So he's gone from, you're not good enough to make the team, to playing through high school, playing in college, very quickly picking up wheelchair basketball and then being named-

Starting point is 00:31:03 Which is an- Winning a national championship three times. Entirely different skills. Very different, yes. So when we said you're not good enough to make the team, we mean you're good enough to make any team. You know what I'm saying, not good enough, you're too good. You're too good.

Starting point is 00:31:15 You're very, very good. You made everyone else look really bad. Holy shit. Some of them have been playing wheelchair basketball for a decade and you're better than them after day one. We've had to kick them off the team. We've said never come back. They're stabbing basketballs a decade. Yeah. And you're better than them after day one. We've had to kick them off the team. We've said never come back.

Starting point is 00:31:27 They're stabbing basketballs out there right now. The morale is awful. Terry, you're too good. Canada's is going to be a one on five team from now on. Terry's just boop, boop, boop, boop. So he's playing basketball, but aside from that as well, he's also running a lot. He told his family he wanted to run a marathon just like Dick Dick Traum. But in private, he devised a more extensive plan. His hospital experience had made Terry angry at how little money was dedicated to cancer research. So, he intended to run the length of Canada.

Starting point is 00:31:56 Oh, that's a big one. In the hope of increasing cancer awareness. If you're from like a really small country, you're like from Singapore, you're like, this is so much easier. But then you're like from Singapore, you're like, this is so much easier. But then you're like, Canada, fuck. It's quite big. Yeah. Quite a big country.

Starting point is 00:32:11 Imagine he's going east to west. Imagine running up through the north, like he's finishing chasing polar bears. So he started training. So he couldn't, he couldn't run with a, a normal gate because he had like springs in his artificial leg that required more time to reset between each step. So we sort of had to do like a little hop step kind of skip when he ran. So it's just to give the springs time to reset. Not surprisingly, training was very painful.

Starting point is 00:32:43 The additional pressure he had to place on both his good leg and the his stump of the amputation led to bone bruises, blisters and intense pain. But where most people would stop, Terry found that after about 20 minutes of each run, he crossed a pain threshold and the run became easier. He's like, it hurts so much. It didn't hurt anymore. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like his body releases some sort of natural painkillers, I guess. After 20 minutes, he passed out and every day his support team would go and pick him up,

Starting point is 00:33:14 drive him home and the next day do another 20 minutes before he passed out from the pain. Isn't that incredible? But like, I have- I have, like, when training up to do do longer distance runs and I'm not a long distance runner so it takes me ages to train to do like 5k's. Like you wouldn't run across, kind of, but luckily you could run across Australia. Easy. Yeah. Yeah, obviously just as a warm up.

Starting point is 00:33:36 Would you go east to west, north, north to south? Ah, oh it'd be nice to end up in Cairns. Yeah. That'd be nice. I don't want to run through the desert. Good point. Camels. Yeah. No thanks. So you're going to run right along the coast. Yeah, that'd be nice. I don't want to run through the desert. Good point. Camels. Yeah, they're going to run right along the coast. Yeah, just beach. Yeah, I'll just do beach the whole way.

Starting point is 00:33:49 Just sand the whole way. That'd be nice, actually. Yeah. Anyway, no, like I have experienced it where you're sort of you're uncomfortable and then you do hit a bit of a you hit a threshold and your feet are just moving and you're not really thinking as much about it. But that's not with incredible pain. He's just persevering through it. Sometimes I've had pimples that are too painful to pop. I've gone, oh, I want to, I should, but that's really, that hurts. That hurts. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:34:17 That just hurts. The ones where your eyes just start watering immediately. So you and Terry, very similar people. I just am a standard by people that even someone, you know there's people that run from one side of the country to the other and they do a marathon every day for a hundred days or whatever. And they're doing it without- Yes. Doing a single marathon is mind-boggling. How? Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:34:39 Do one day after day after day is- Like if you told me that's physically impossible, I would've said, yeah, I know it is. Of course it is. And then you're like, oh no, people do that kind of thing how how it doesn't make sense how yeah what are what are they what are they yeah what kind of aliens are they yeah let's figure this out are they wild are they a cyborg he's right running long distances just with a prosthetic with extreme pain. Bone bruises, blisters, yeah. Bone bruises. Sometimes- Bruising a bone really hurts. I didn't know you could do that.

Starting point is 00:35:09 It's crazy. I do also sometimes think, you don't have to do this, man. Yeah, you don't have to do it. Come on, your body's telling you. I think that's my problem is I listen to my body. It says don't do it and I say, yeah. Fair enough, let's go to the couch. And that's why you've never inspired anyone.

Starting point is 00:35:24 You've never inspired anyone. I have a funny feeling that Terry's about to inspire. I think Matt might be right. So in September of 79, Terry completed a 17 mile or 27 kilometer road race, finishing in last place, but to tears and applause, like the other competitors, his family and friends and stuff, people are losing it. Yeah, they were really sad that he lost. We've stood at this finish line for ages.

Starting point is 00:35:48 And to be fair, he was only like 10 minutes behind the last one. Oh really? That's not bad. It's not like they waited for like five hours in the dark. Because he can't run with like the same speed as other people can because he has to sort of let the leg reset. So he's kind of like hopping along. I'll say the tears were genuine, but the applause was-

Starting point is 00:36:07 Patronizing. Fantastic. It was a- Wow. Finally. Okay. They're crying from boredom. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:36:16 We've been waiting here for hours. Anyway, so it was- How long of a race was it? 17 miles or 27 Ks. Yeah, okay. So longer than I've ever run. Of course, yes. But I mean, I don't know why that's relevant.

Starting point is 00:36:28 I'll just be miring head, I'm like, okay. I can't fathom it. An early run for him is just a run that I've, I think I've done like, I've got close, I've done like 18. Woof. And that was, like, I, you know, it was delirious by the end of it.

Starting point is 00:36:42 Yeah. Yeah, 18 Ks. Well, that's right, is this 20? 27 Ks. 27 Ks, fuck, it. Yeah. Yeah, 18Ks. Well, that's right. Is this 20? 27Ks. 27Ks. Fuck, it's crazy. Yeah, that's a small run. I'll never do that.

Starting point is 00:36:50 So he did another half of what you were and you were already delirious. Yeah, I was like full delirious. I remember running. It was a bit of a downhill thing. And I'm like, OK, this is like I'm falling more than running at this point. You were rolling. That's my dog going downstairs. He's just, he's strategically falling, which is actually very impressive, but these legs are too short for the stairs.

Starting point is 00:37:14 He's falling. You just have to stick the landing in your right. Yeah. He falls with grace. Um, so it was after this race that the now 21 year old finally divulged his plan to his family that he was going to run from the East coast of Canada all the way to the West coast. His mother, Betty was upset by the, by the idea and she tried to sort of talk some sense

Starting point is 00:37:33 into her son. His father, knowing the determination and drive of his son, simply replied with when. Okay. When? Yeah, I got a schedule. Betty came around pretty quickly and later recalled. he said, I thought you'd be one of the first persons to believe in me. And I wasn't.

Starting point is 00:37:50 I was the first person who let him down. Oh, Betty. Betty said that. Oh no. She came around, but you can, you can completely, she was from then on, she was very supportive, but I think it's totally reasonable for a parent to be fearful of their kid taking on such a mammoth effort when he, you know, like he's only 21. I think it's right that she feels bad many years later, I assume. Yeah, she's still like, because he never let her forget it.

Starting point is 00:38:16 You let me down, mom, you're dead to me. Anyway, dad, here we go. Here we go. Let's do it. So family and friends were on board with the plan. Terry wrote a letter. Except for Betty. Except for Betty. Except for Betty. No, she was on board now.

Starting point is 00:38:27 And Betty came around. What are you referencing there? When I come around my green day. But I also don't know how to change the tone or do melodies and stuff. So I just go... Betty come around. Is that what you're trying to do? Betty came around.

Starting point is 00:38:44 I don't think you're trying to do? Duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh. Betty come around. Duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh

Starting point is 00:38:53 duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh

Starting point is 00:39:01 duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh Most parody artists won't get the Betty in there twice, but I did it. You are freakishly good. That's why. But also not many parody artists will do a parody and people will be like, what's that song? What's that song? I can make it up. Who is Betty? Who is Betty?

Starting point is 00:39:17 What are you doing? Everyone's like, great original. Like, no, no, no, no. I need to give credit. Billy Joe wrote this one. Love you, Billy Joe. So family and friends, including Betty are now all on board and he wrote a letter to the Canadian Cancer Society requesting their support.

Starting point is 00:39:33 I've got some of the letter here. This is what he wrote. The night before, there's a bit of a chunk here, but it's, I really like his writing. The night before my amputation, my former basketball coach brought me a magazine with an article on an amputee who ran in the New York Marathon. It was then I decided to meet this new challenge head on and not only overcome my disability, but conquer it in such a way that I could never look back and say it disabled me. But I soon realized that would only be half my quest.

Starting point is 00:39:58 As I went through the 16 months of physically and emotionally draining ordeal of chemotherapy, I was rudely awakened by the feelings that surrounded and coursed through the cancer clinic. There were faces with the brave smiles, the ones who had given up smiling. There were feelings of hopeful denial and feelings of despair. My quest would not be a selfish one. I could not leave knowing these faces and feelings would still exist, even though I would be set free from mine. Somewhere the hurting must stop and I was determined to take myself to the limit for this cause. From the beginning, the going was extremely difficult and I was facing chronic ailment foreign to runners with two legs in addition to the common physical strains felt by all

Starting point is 00:40:38 dedicated athletes. But these problems are now behind me, as I have either out persisted or learned to deal with them. I feel strong not only physically but more importantly emotionally. Soon I will be adding one full mile a week and coupled with weight training I've been doing, by next April I'll be ready to achieve something that for me was once only a distant dream reserved for the worlds of miracles, to run across Canada to raise money for the fight against cancer.

Starting point is 00:41:03 The running I can do, even if I have to crawl every mile. We need your help. The people in cancer clinics all over the world need people who believe in miracles. I'm not a dreamer and I'm not saying this will initiate any kind of definitive answer or cure to cancer, but I believe in miracles. I have to." Whoa. How good is that? That's a letter he wrote to them. Gosh, I hope they get on board. Cause that's a really great letter.

Starting point is 00:41:27 They were a little skeptical at first. They were sort of like, I don't know if he can do it, but they did agree to support him on the condition that he, like they said, if you get sponsors, we'll support you. And also requested that he get a medical certificate, just saying he was fit to run. They just wanted him to, I mean, you know, like I think his cancer is basically in remission, but they're still dealing with this young person who only a couple of years ago was diagnosed with bone cancer. So they're like, let's make sure you're okay to do this. So during this checkup, they found that he had left ventricular hypertrophy. It's an enlarged heart.

Starting point is 00:42:05 It's apparently quite common in athletes. So he's diagnosed with something else in this checkup. And that's big. I guess that's because the body's like, it needs to be a kind of deal with that. That's seen as bad. I would have thought that makes you like a superhero. It's, it can come, it comes with some risks or it can lead to other things, but it wasn't a huge deal.

Starting point is 00:42:26 The doctors didn't think it'd be a concern. They endorsed his run, but just said, like, be conscious of it. Seek medical attention if you're having heart issues or anything. But they were like, you're fine to do it, but just be aware of it. So it's just interesting that they're like, do a checkup. There's something else. So it's, yeah. But anyway, it's not a big deal.

Starting point is 00:42:43 They're happy for him to do the run. Nothing's a big deal to this guy. No, he's like, cool. Whatever. He's like, yeah, next. Yep. What else do you got? I just take my heart out. I don't need it. No, do you? Fine. Can I run now? Incredible. So along with this letter to the cancer society, a second letter was sent to several corporations seeking donations for a vehicle and running shoes and to cover the costs of, you know, other stuff. So he sent letters asking for grants to buy another prosthetic, like a running leg. The Ford Motor Company donated a camper van while Imperial Oil contributed fuel and Adidas gave him his running shoes. I mean, honestly, a camper van, that's going to make a lot easier.

Starting point is 00:43:22 Sorry, Adidas. He's going to, he can just drive it. That's great. Yeah. That will, that's super helpful. Sounds like a really cool road trip. As like, thanks for the run as Adidas. But I've got a campervan. I've got a campervan now. Do you have any driving shoes? I like the idea that Dave's in the next, the next doctor's office. He's going to your heart. You've got a hypertrophy of the heart. And he's like, no, I was in the next office. The doctor's going to Dave. I'm so sorry. We've found a second pimple.

Starting point is 00:43:56 And Dave's like, I can't go on. I cannot take this. Call my wife. Call my wife. If you're going to remove it, you'll have to put me in a car. I need a general. He's God. Call my wife. If you're going to remove it, you'll have to put me in a coma. I need a general. He's not even put me under. I'm going to have to be in a coma.

Starting point is 00:44:09 I'll have a few weeks, otherwise the screaming won't stop. You'll have to put me down. The pimple has spread. Oh my God. There's a secondary pimple. You didn't quite get it. Now it's got a double head. Oh no.

Starting point is 00:44:23 It's going to have to have twice the squeezing. Please. Put me in a coma. Please no. And he walks past, he's leaving after finding out about a new thing he's got to get through. He walks past and he hears you sobbing and he says, I'm doing this for him. I'm doing it for that boy. For that little boy in there.

Starting point is 00:44:45 I'm 34 years old, Terry. Terry. And I'm frightened. Terry, do it for me. So, yeah. You're right, Terry, you wouldn't know what I'm going through. Exactly. Terry. Some of us have adversity to overcome.

Starting point is 00:45:05 I thought it was kind of cool that he got these things donated to him. No, it is very cool. And that is great. And I'll have any chance to say Adidas. Adidas. But he also- Ford, Adidas and the Motorola company come on board. That's what you need.

Starting point is 00:45:15 He also turned away any company that requested he endorse their products. And he refused any donations that carried conditions because he insisted that nobody was to profit from his run. Which I kind of respect as well. He puts his shoes on and goes, these Adidas suck. They suck, my feet are bleeding because of the Adidas. I mean, it would still be good marketing for them because, yeah. It's so funny that some didn't see that and they're like, no, we need a photo with you going, these are real good in the photo.

Starting point is 00:45:43 This is my favorite t-shirt. Yeah. So his initial goal was to raise a million dollars. This is in like 1980. Then he changed to a goal of 10 million. What? Before finally he decided he wanted to raise $1 for every- Okay, that's gone way back.

Starting point is 00:46:02 Like he's bouncing all over the place. I thought a million was good. 10 million maybe, but a dollar, Terry? Terry, Terry, I'll give you a dollar. Terry, come on. Terry, I'll give you a dollar. You could sell a campervan for at least a few dollars. Terry. Jess is shaking her head.

Starting point is 00:46:21 She is not pleased with this interruption. I mean, Jess, it's not our fault that Terry is being ridiculous. Yes. One million, 10 million, one dollar. Does Terry know the value of it at all? Sometimes when I'm writing the reports and I'm like, this will be a really impactful statement. Every time we get to those. Have you underlined it in red? Read with heart.

Starting point is 00:46:46 Read with heart! Read with an enlarged heart. So, okay. He decided he wanted to raise one dollar for each of Canada's citizens, which was 24 million. So 24 million dollars. Okay, now we're talking. She's bouncing around a dollar now after 24 million. Terry, this scale is crazy.

Starting point is 00:47:09 I hate these boys. Thank God he doesn't live in America because there's a lot more people there. Yeah. So that's the goal. $24 million. That's ambitious. It's pretty ambitious. Can I ask a question? Yes.

Starting point is 00:47:20 Is it because he hit a million pretty quickly and was like, oh. No, he hasn't even started yet. This is just a goal. Before $1, he went from one to ten to twenty four million. Yeah. That is incredible. He just thought, well, like, you know. Stretch goal. Imagine if you could, if everybody in Canada gave one dollar, you'd have twenty four million dollars. That's, you know.

Starting point is 00:47:37 Yeah, OK. So that's that's his goal. And he's including babies in this? Yeah, I suppose. He's robbing babies. I think, like, OK, if you're a family of six, you're giving six dollars. You know what in this? Yeah. I suppose like- He's robbing babies? I think like, okay, if you're a family of six, you're giving six dollars. You know what I mean? Like- Yeah, okay. Orphan babies, Jess? Okay, like I'm talking to you, Jess, but I'm really talking to Terry here.

Starting point is 00:47:56 Let's be reasonable. Surely average is out, you know, like sure orphan babies can't give a dollar, but like maybe Richie McRich could give like 10. Oh, I didn't realise Richie McRich was Canadian. Yeah, OK. Well, yeah, if he gives 10, that'll cover the nine orphan babies in Canada. I've got an idea. What if Richie McRich gives 24 million? Covering all the orphans and everyone else. Yeah. OK, that's not bad.

Starting point is 00:48:18 Hey, what about this? Richie McRich pays tax. OK. All right. And then and then we don't have to privately fund cancer research. Okay. That'll do, Pig. Okay. You're talking crazy now.

Starting point is 00:48:31 Sorry, I'm done. I just got a coffee order from our Trotskyist barista. I don't think a bit of it suits her. I'll become a commie. Bit of Tester Leon in every trip. Okay. I've become a commie. But a test of Leon in every trip. Okay. He set his goal.

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Starting point is 00:52:00 His first step. Oh my god no Terry. No turn around! Lucky did it right at St. John's, this is where the ambulances are from, so that'll be better. St. John's, Newfoundland, and Labrador. He's on the west coast, that's where he's... No, he's on the east coast. And he's not finished! His first step should be onto land! Terry, run west! Run west, Terry! Terry! His whole support team, the camper van's driving it off him.

Starting point is 00:52:24 Terry, no! He's driving into the... No! Put it in reverse, Terry! His whole support team, the camper van's driving it off him. Terry, no! He's running into the... No! Put in reverse, Terry! No, Terry, no! Oh, this is going off to a bad start. This is the end of the report. Terry drowned.

Starting point is 00:52:32 He was a great runner, not a good swimmer. One of the sketches on Australia Get It Up, which I think was a great concept that was maybe not that well done, but me and Andy were doing bad American accents. At the very last second, Alastair goes, you should do American accents. I'm like, I'm not doing an American accent. And he really pressured me into doing it. And it's bad. Didn't practice at all.

Starting point is 00:53:03 It's awful. But anyway, the sketch was that we were training for the Sydney to Hobart foot race. And it starts from Andy's trainer, I'm teaching, I'm revving him up and he takes his first steps out, pan across the man like I really believe in whatever, pan out and Andy's floating in the water in Sydney. It's like a very funny idea. That's pretty funny. Get rid of the awful American accents. You can be Australian.

Starting point is 00:53:30 Didn't help. Yeah. I think Al just like trolling in person, like, this is gonna make it worse, Al. Nah, it'll be interesting. There's another one where he made me do like a thick, like Australian, Italian-y kind of accent. Oh no. I'm like, this doesn't feel right. He's like, you have caught a Swiss Italiany kind of accent. Oh, no.

Starting point is 00:53:46 I'm like, this doesn't feel right. He's like, you have caught a Swiss Italian. It's fine. I think it is fine. I don't think it's fine. And I'm going to find that. I'm going to find that. Ten years later, I get cancelled. Anyway.

Starting point is 00:53:57 So you took a step into the ocean. I got one. I didn't even get one sentence into the start of the race. That is very funny, though. I thought this would be exciting. That is very funny, Dave. Yeah, it was very good. Well, he gets in the water and drowns and out at us is like, we just gave him a hundred pairs of shoes. We should have given him togs.

Starting point is 00:54:14 That's a swimming costume for our. Is that not an international? Togs. Togs. Everyone calls them togs. I guess not. Not everyone calls them togs. Some call them togs. I guess not. Not everyone calls them togs. I don't think so. Some call them swimmers.

Starting point is 00:54:25 When we did a Patreon episode earlier today and you were saying how much you love the Australian term cracking the shits. I'm like, is that an Australian term? Surely. But yeah, it probably is. Surely. What would the origin of that even be? And like, it's often kids and teenagers crack the shits.

Starting point is 00:54:40 Yeah, they're the ones who crack the shits. And cracking the shits is actually like, it's an adult tantrum basically. Like if an adult cracks the shit, you're kind of laughing at them. Yeah. Oh man. I love crack the shit. Normally the person who cracks the shit later goes, sorry about that. Sorry. That was not a good moment of mine. That's embarrassing. That's embarrassing that I cracked the shit. I didn't mean to crack the shit back there. Sorry. Oh, it's so good. Anyway, so he, it's just, it's ceremonial. Symbolism.

Starting point is 00:55:10 It's symbolic. He also filled two large bottles with ocean water. Oh, Terry. Oh, Terry. You're not going to make it to midday. Mate, that's full of salt. That's terrible for hydration. Sorry.

Starting point is 00:55:24 You guys have killed me. Two bottles of seawater. Yeah, yeah. Sorry, sorry. You guys have killed me. Too bad it was a seawater. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah. No, to keep as a souvenir and also he wanted to pour it into the Pacific Ocean once he made it to British Columbia, which I always find funny because I imagine the waters would be like, ah! What the hell? What is that? That's a bit of eco-tourism, terrorism, not tourism.

Starting point is 00:55:42 Eco-tourism. He's like, there's little like life forms in that water and they end up spreading and just like it has this huge flow on effects. It's actually why the ice caps are melting. Cause of Terry Fox. All the water in Vancouver is actually purple. Cause of Terry Fox. So that's sort of part of it.

Starting point is 00:56:00 His childhood friend, Doug Allwood, who they- Oh yeah, their co-NVP. That's right. He accompanied him on the journey. He was driving the van behind Terry. And he speeded up. Go. And so this run that he's doing for cancer research was, he called it the Marathon of Hope. Love it. A lot of people know it. He took off running 26 miles or 42 kilometers that first day, the equivalent of a marathon, and he would continue to run that distance every day.

Starting point is 00:56:32 How do people do it? How does Terry do it? I love that. That first day, the equivalent of a marathon. Day one. He does it every day. I'd run across Canada, but I'd take three decades. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd run from here to, you know, to the shops. The shops. I would do it, like on a treadmill over the course of my lifetime.

Starting point is 00:56:56 You know? I don't know if I would. No, God no. Because do you know how far it is in distance? Uh, yes. Or if you don't know how far it is in distance, do you know how far it is in distance, is it? Yes. Or if you don't know how far it is in distance, you know how far it is in another measurement? Well, it- Rather than days of how- you probably know how many days it takes to make it,

Starting point is 00:57:13 but like, I don't- I've got- I know Canada is so, so big, but I couldn't give you a number if it's like, what is it, 10,000? I'd say 20,000, I don't know. A million? Well, OK, so here's the thing as well. This is where it maybe gets a little tricky, is that he detours a little bit along the journey, like a town he's approaching will be like, come and we'll have like, we'll throw something. So he might go out of the way.

Starting point is 00:57:36 So it's not perfectly. Not a straight line. But if I give you the idea, so he starts in St. John, and then I'll go directions, and he ends up in Vancouver. Yes, okay. And then if I just go walking distance. Vancouver's right on the East Coast. That's cool.

Starting point is 00:58:01 West. West Coast. West coast. West coast. So it would be about, it includes a ferry. And this particular route also includes, it crosses through the United States. But walking, it's like 6,800 kilometres. Okay, unbelievable. 6,800. So it's a long journey, which isn't a surprise.

Starting point is 00:58:26 But he's running a marathon every day. That's unbelievable, Terry. It's insane. So in the first few days he was met with less than ideal conditions. There was heavy rain, strong winds. Apparently one of the days there was a snowstorm. His spirits were lifted though when he arrived in Channel Port-au-Basque in the southwest tip of Newfoundland, where the town's

Starting point is 00:58:47 10,000 residents presented him with a donation of over $10,000. Wow, so they did it. That's more than one each. Pretty good. They covered their orphan babies. The orphanage was going, thank God. Thank God, that would have been embarrassing. And it's sort of like, especially early on, it's just him on the road and Doug's driving

Starting point is 00:59:04 along behind him. Like there isn't a whole heap of buzz, but it builds over time. Does Doug like have like a trailer full of cash on the back? Like how are they taking the cash? I don't know, because apparently sometimes he'd be running along and people would just be handing him cash. That's lovely, but that's really annoying for me. Thank you. Just put it in the G-string please. Now I've got to store this cash.

Starting point is 00:59:23 It'd be easier in today's day and age because you could just like, you could wear like a QR code or a Venmo thing and then they could transfer, that'd be easier. But anyway, it was the eighties. So yeah, so he made it to... I should tell you guys about the eighties at some point. Fantastic decade. I'd love to know about the eighties. You should do a report on the eighties.

Starting point is 00:59:41 Yeah, I will. Which ones are we talking about? I love the 1780s, they're fantastic. Yeah, I mean... Which ones are these talking about? I love the 1780s. Oh, fantastic. Yeah, I mean, which ones are these? This is the 1980s. Sorry. I should have been...

Starting point is 00:59:50 No, no, no. The recent history. Yeah, yeah. 1980s are great. It probably feels like yesterday for you. It does feel like yesterday to me. But I should say, if you remember the 1980s, you probably went there, where you are. I don't get it.

Starting point is 01:00:00 I wasn't there. Yeah. Maybe you were then. Oh, because you don't remember. Yeah. But I was born get it. I wasn't there. Yeah, maybe you were then. Oh, because you don't remember. But I was born in 1990. Uh-huh. Like a good eight months in.

Starting point is 01:00:11 Technically, that's the end of the 80s. OK. Is that true, Dave? Is that true, Dave? I'm not sure that's true. Or is it the start of the 90s? Which is it, Dave? Dave? Dave? Dave? Dave? I'm not saying anything.

Starting point is 01:00:24 I know I don't often stick to these, but I will shut up for a bit. Dave. Dave. Dave. Babe. Dave. I'm not. You're not saying anything. I know I don't often stick to these, but I will shut up for a bit. I feel like I've been a nightmare today and I apologize to the listeners. Today. Babe, can I be real? You're always a nightmare. Thank you. But we love it.

Starting point is 01:00:37 We're those like sickos who love horror movies and nightmares. Bring on your biggest freak, babe, because we love it. Right, Dave? You know what I mean? I love feeling uncomfortable. Squeezing pimples and feeling the pain. You're that to me in human form. A human pimple.

Starting point is 01:00:54 So I kind of, that was a confusing way I did that just then, I guess, because I was like, yeah, first few days it was kind of stormy, but then he made it to this town and they got $10,000. That was the 6th of May. By that time he had run 882 kilometers. Which is still, and he was still in Newfoundland. That's just the start. Yes. He has made it from like St. John down to the, um, Southwest tip so that now he can catch a ferry across to Nova Scotia.

Starting point is 01:01:20 So he's still in the same state. Um, He's run 882 kilometers. I try to do miles and kilometers. If I don't, Google. So yeah, from there they had to catch a ferry across to Nova Scotia. Throughout the trip, Terry frequently expressed his anger and frustration to those he saw as impeding the run. And he fought pretty regularly with his friend Doug. Oh, okay. When they reached Nova Scotia, their relationship was a bit tense and it was arranged for Terry's brother, Darryl, who was then 17, to join them and kind of help ease tensions, be a third person. But I can kind of, I get it because I think Doug is probably concerned for his

Starting point is 01:01:58 friend who's doing something pretty huge, but Terry is so focused and determined that he sort of gets annoyed if people are fussing over him or telling him to. Hey man. Yeah. Do you want to have a rest day or something? He's like, fuck off, I'm running. It's snowing, maybe we should take today off. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:02:12 But he's got the vibe of a guy who doesn't need to be like mothered or fathered or whatever. And he- You don't get fathered as much. You don't. Isn't that interesting? No one needs that. Stop fathering me. What is it to father someone?

Starting point is 01:02:29 You know? I think it's to go. Throw a throw a play catch. Yeah. Throw a baseball with them. You need to learn how to shave. Yeah. Teach them to drive manual.

Starting point is 01:02:37 Want to get me a beer? Grab me a beer, son. Yelling at. Stop fathering me. Stop fathering me. Just get me a beer. So yeah, Terry later reflected, people thought I was going through hell. Maybe I was partly, but still I was doing what I wanted and a dream was coming true

Starting point is 01:02:53 and that above everything else made it all worthwhile to me. Even though it was so difficult, there was not another thing in the world I would have rather been doing. I got satisfaction out of doing things that were difficult. It was an incredible feeling. The pain was there, but the pain didn't matter. But that's all a lot of people could see. They couldn't see the good that I was getting out of it myself.

Starting point is 01:03:13 So Doug's kind of like, do you want to, like, take a rest or should you chill out? And Terry's like, I'm fucking loving this. Like, it hurts and it's really hard, but I'm having a great time. That's like when my dad orders an extra hot curry when we're out and like, I'm like, Dad, are you okay? He's crying, snot's coming out of his nose and he's like, I'm loving it. This is awesome. This is the best day of my life.

Starting point is 01:03:34 Dad, you look like you're struggling. Yeah. Dad, I don't think this is awesome. You're gonna have a heart attack. He's like, I love this. He loves the pain. Yeah, loves the pain. Martin loves to be uncomfortable.

Starting point is 01:03:42 He should meet Matt. Oh, he... You guys get on. We do get on really well. He loves the pain. He loves the pain. Martin loves to be uncomfortable. He should meet Matt. Oh, he... You guys get on. We do get on really well. From my end, we get on really well. I can't imagine anybody not getting along with Martin. No, that's true. He's a delight.

Starting point is 01:03:55 All of our dads. Yeah, I get on with both of your dads pretty well. And dare I say your moms. Hey, hey, hey, don't you dare say that about our moms. You'll have lovely families as well. Don't you lie to me. So Terry's story grabbed the attention and the hearts of the Canadian people. That's great.

Starting point is 01:04:16 So it's really starting to like get a bit of buzz. People waited for hours on the roadside to watch Terry pass. They'd hand him cash. Like I said before, they cheered him on. He's run inspired others to do what they could as well, to contribute towards his fundraising efforts. the roadside to watch Terry pass. They'd hand him cash, like I said before, they cheered him on. His run inspired others to do what they could as well, to contribute towards his fundraising efforts. Um, a man in Hamilton sat in a vat of banana lemon custard. I'm doing what I can.

Starting point is 01:04:37 Terry, you exploded this. He raised $912. A vat of custard's surely going to cost more than that. I'm paying you to not ruin that beautiful custard. Why are you doing it in the custard? Terry, I'm doing it for you too. Terry, I took your advice and you've inspired me. Oh great, you're going for a run? Now I'm sitting in a vat of custard.

Starting point is 01:05:03 Okay. Okay, thank you. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you though. Thank you. Terry's running along and he sees a man run up to him covered in custard. Terry, I raised $900 for you. Covered in custard as well.

Starting point is 01:05:14 The money is ruined. It's fallen apart a bit, but it's still legal tender, Terry. It's so funny. It's delicious legal tender. I had a bit of a thing of that idea and then think, this is a good one. It's so funny. Delicious legal tender. How do people think of that idea and then think, this is a good one? It's a good one. In Gravenhurst, the heart of Ontario's cottage country, with a population of 8,000, they raised more than $14,000.

Starting point is 01:05:34 They've gone above and beyond $1 each. A musician, apparently without cash, handed Terry his $500 guitar. What? So people are just like, there's really a buzz about it. It's very like... Sorry, I don't think I understood that sentence. The guy didn't have any cash on him, so he gave him a guitar that was worth $500. He said, this is worth $500.

Starting point is 01:05:50 I was running and now he's going to finish the marathon for the day with a guitar. Thank you, but this is really annoying. Surely you just shove that straight in the van. You go, could you give that to Doug? Doug will take that one, I reckon. And when you said no money on him, no cash on him. So obviously, like, if he was busking, he was not good. So maybe it's a blessing that he took the guitar.

Starting point is 01:06:07 Okay. I'm like, I'm worried. This guy has the last thing he has and it's the only way he has only means to make money. And he gives it away. Maybe he's just like, oh, I don't have cash on me, but I do have my guitar on me. I've got one of my many guitars on me. That's probably more it. But I never have cash on me.

Starting point is 01:06:21 That would have been a good guitar. When you're making a donation though, it's that's the kind of language you use when you've got a loan shark. Take my guitar, it's worth 500 dollars. Yes. That's where you'll get a good dollar. You get at least 300 for that. Make- promise me you'll get at least 300 for that. And where have you been experiencing that kind of stuff, Dave?

Starting point is 01:06:37 Is everything okay, Dave? Yeah, I had to pawn my watch collection. Extensive. This Mickey Mouse watch. I swear. Sorry, he misspoke. He had to watch his pawn collection. Extensive. This Mickey Mouse watch. I swear. Sorry, he misspoke. He had to watch his pod collection. Sorry. And the dealer's like, what? Why did you come in here to do this? No, no, I'm good for it. Look, look at what you can, you can watch me watch. You

Starting point is 01:06:57 watch me watch. Do you like to watch? Oh, this is a good bit. This is a good bit. I love this bit. I love this bit. This is why the tape's bit funny. You can really see, I think you can see a boob in this one. What kind of porn is this Dave? You can see a boob. So Terry's run caught the attention of Isidor Sharp, the founder and CEO of Four Seasons Hotel and Resorts, who lost a son to melanoma in 1978, just a year after Terry's diagnosis. So Sharp gave food and accommodation at his hotels to Fox's team.

Starting point is 01:07:33 When Fox was discouraged, when donations slowed up a little bit, Sharp pledged $2 a mile and persuaded close to a thousand other corporations to do the same. Whoa. That's got to add up quick. So he really got on board. He was a big supporter. Cause that like, I imagine just being able to stay in a nice hotel most nights. Cause that's a big chain, right?

Starting point is 01:07:52 Yeah. And quite often if they didn't have a place to stay, they would sleep in the van, which like it's camper van, but it's not like we're thinking the bougie ones today. I think it's pretty rough. Full of cash and guitars. It's filled with guitars and money. Yeah, it's more like Scrooge McDuck's money pit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:08:09 It's uncomfortable for them to sleep in it because they're sleeping on money. Yeah. Which doesn't breathe well. It sounds fun, but it's not. It's not. Dave's done it. Dave's done it quite a few times. I'm going to give it one more go. Dave's got a waterbed, but it's stuffed with cash.

Starting point is 01:08:25 So as I sort of mentioned before, at the beginning of his run, he kind of, there was little fanfare. Some people would cheer him on as he passed, but more often than not, it was just him on the road and Doug along behind him. But as attention grew, so too did the crowds. When Terry crossed into Ontario on the last Saturday in June, he was met by a brass band and thousands of residents who lined the streets to cheer him on while the Ontario Provincial Police gave him an escort through the province.

Starting point is 01:08:51 And there's video footage of it, of just streets lined with people, thousands of people turning up, police escorts, and he's just running along as people cheering. It's so nice. On his arrival in Ottawa, Fox met Governor General Ed Schreier, Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau. Any relation? Yes! I didn't know!

Starting point is 01:09:11 I was like, wait a second, there's no way we've got two Trudeaus. And after a very quick Wikipedia search, I went, oh, you're Nazi's son. And he was the guest of honor at numerous sporting events in the city. In front of 16,000 fans, he performed a ceremonial kickoff at a Canadian football league game and was given a standing ovation. Oh, and he had also barely slept the night before and had run about 14 miles or 22 Ks that day. And so far had run a total of 3,123 kilometers.

Starting point is 01:09:44 So he gets up, does a run, uh, has a little bit of a rest, goes and does a ceremonial kickoff in front of 16,000 people, gets a standing ovation, normal day. So events like this kept happening on July 11, Fox arrived in Toronto where a crowd of 10,000 people met him. Um, and he was honored in Nathan Phillips square. As he ran to the square, he was joined on the road by many people, including National Hockey League star Darrell Sittler, who presented Fox with his 1980 All-Star game jersey.

Starting point is 01:10:12 Whoa. The Cancer Society estimated that they collected $100,000 in donations that day alone. That's awesome. So it's really like there's a lot of buzz. It does also feel like these people are hindering his run though. It's hard to get through the like, there's a lot of buzz. It does also feel like these people are hindering his run though. It's hard to get through the square. There's too many people. That's why there's also police escort.

Starting point is 01:10:28 What do you think is more important to him, the run or the fundraising? On the way to your run, can you just kick up football here? Mate, I've got another 14 miles to do today. All right, I suppose I'll come in there. And he kind of, I don't know if I mentioned this in the report, but essentially he would get up at 4.30 every day, run about like 14, have a rest, run the rest in the afternoon. Like it was, he'd be up every day. It's crazy. It's insane.

Starting point is 01:10:52 I can't believe, and is he, is his body really hurting and he just runs through it? Yeah. Absolutely. Yes. How do you do it? Yeah. I don't know how. How many pimples does he have? None. That's the thing. He doesn't know true pain. Blessed with good skin. Okay.

Starting point is 01:11:06 Hard to feel sorry. Must be nice. Hard to support. Yeah. Hard to get on board with this guy. I don't know. He just rubs me the wrong way with his perfect skin. Do you know how many?

Starting point is 01:11:15 I can't believe it. I just can't get my head around it. Yeah, same. Do you know how many pairs of like runners he's getting through and stuff like that? No, I'm not sure. I didn't read that anywhere. Imagine that like they must be wearing out every couple of days almost. Right? He's running so much. Yeah, wow.

Starting point is 01:11:29 And on like, you know, highways and stuff. Yeah. Very interesting. And how does it work on the highway? He's obviously running like, you know, at running pace, but not that quick. Yeah. And then Doug's behind him in the van. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:11:39 Is there just like a stream of traffic behind him all the time? Go around. Yeah, I'm sure they go around. Doug's main job is just waving. Go around. Yeah, I'm sure they go around. That's the main job is just waving. Go around. Go around. Fun run. Fun run.

Starting point is 01:11:49 Fun run. Fund raising run. That's what it stands for. That's what it stands for, I guess. Hold on, fund run. Fund run. That's a fund run. Go around.

Starting point is 01:11:59 Okay. But safely. Safely, don't hit him. Don't hit him. He's saying this to every single car. Fund run. Fund run. And the Four Seasons Hotel. I like the wave around you. It's funny.

Starting point is 01:12:09 He gets a dollar for every time he says go round. Go round. Go round. Cost you a dollar. That's a dollar raise. That's a dollar raise right there. So yeah, I don't think he's upset that he's meeting hockey stars and making hundreds of thousands of dollars in one day.

Starting point is 01:12:29 I don't think he's upset by it. Hi, I'm hockey all-star. Get out of my way! I think for him, the priority is the fundraising. And the publicity and the, okay, okay. And like I said before, he would accept invitations to stuff if he thought it could raise a bit more money. He would detour to go and like speak to people in a town or like, yeah,

Starting point is 01:12:50 go to stuff like this where he might be honored or where people turn up because it's going to raise money, it's going to create buzz. And he can have a fucking rest for a second. No, they won't do that. Like you have to stand, but he's running around them as they're like. Yeah. Like when you stopped at the lights and you see runners keep jogging. I'm like, shut up, enjoy a breather for a second. You gotta keep the rhythm.

Starting point is 01:13:14 So, uh, yeah, the day that they raised a hundred thousand dollars and he met Daryl Sittler that evening, he threw the ceremonial first pitch at exhibition stadium before a baseball game between the Toronto Blue Jays and the Cleveland Indians. As he continued through Southern Ontario, he was met by Hockey Hall of Fame player Bobby Orr, who presented him with a check for $25,000. And Terry considered meeting Bobby Orr the highlight of his journey. He was like, Bobby frickin' Orr.

Starting point is 01:13:41 It was really exciting. What was Bobby Orr, a baseballer? Hockey. Hockey. That's what a hockey hall of fame. Yeah, that's what I meant. Yes. He was so good at baseball, they put him in the hockey hall. Can you believe that? But he threw the first pitch. He threw the first puck.

Starting point is 01:13:56 Threw the first puck. Threw a window. It was really weird. Terry, no. He crashed the first Zamboni. Ceremony. As his fame grew, the Cancer Society scheduled more and more functions for him to attend and he made speeches and he met people all over Canada. Right. So before they were a little bit like, I don't know if this guy's going to do it. Now he's like such a superstar for them, raising such good money, great awareness.

Starting point is 01:14:23 They're like putting him out as like the number one PR. They're really trying. Yeah, they're really backing him. This is from Wikipedia, that wonderful medical journal, which had quite a bit of information about this story, which is interesting. Oh, great. It's not all medical, but they still had a lot of info on it. The physical demands of running a marathon every day took their toll on Fox's body.

Starting point is 01:14:40 Apart from the rest day in Montreal, taken at the request of the Cancer Society. Oh yeah. So, the Cancer Society asked him, he was like approaching Montreal and they were like, oh, can you like, can you slow down a little so you arrive on a certain day so they could, you know, thousands of people can turn up. So he did have a couple of rest days leading up to that, but in totally had about four rest days. Unbelievable. Insane. Anyway, so, uh, apart from those couple of days so that he could sort of delay his arrival in Montreal, he refused to take a day off even on his 22nd birthday.

Starting point is 01:15:16 Now I love to give myself a day off on a birthday. So I'd be like, no, I can't run today. He's my birthday. I can't run today. No, no, no. But Terry just keeps my birthday. I can't run today. No, no, no. But Terry just keeps doing it. I don't get this guy. What's his deal?

Starting point is 01:15:32 He frequently had shin splints and an inflamed knee. He developed cysts on his stump and experienced dizzy spells. At one point he had a soreness in his ankle that would not go away. Although he feared he'd developed a stress fracture, he ran for three more days before seeking medical attention and was then relieved to learn it was tendinitis and could be treated with painkillers. He just keeps going. Cysts, Dave, are they better or worse than pimples? Probably easier to deal with than pimples. You don't have to pop- you never hear of popping a cyst, do you?

Starting point is 01:16:02 No, you never do. You never pop a cyst. I don't think you pop a cyst by yourself. I think a doctor deals with a cyst. Exactly. So it's nothing. You drain a cyst, maybe. Exactly. And a doctor does it. Right.

Starting point is 01:16:13 So whatever. But you did go to a doctor for your pimple. You went to Dr. Pimple Popper, didn't you? Yeah, that's right. But for a cyst, I'd be put- also put into a coma. So. Yeah. Put me- Double coma.

Starting point is 01:16:23 Put me under. So he continued to run through the summer heat despite obvious discomfort. I mean, he's running a marathon every day. By late August, Terry was feeling exhausted when he woke up, even before he'd started the day's marathon from Wikipedia. On September 1st, outside Thunder Bay, he was forced to stop briefly after he had an intense coughing fit and experienced pain in his chest.

Starting point is 01:16:46 He resumed running as the crowds along the highway shouted out their encouragement. A few miles later, short of breath and with continued chest pain, he asked Doug Allwood to drive him to a hospital. Oh no. Now we've already talked about like Terry battling through everything, like just, he just keeps going. So it's sort of, he's the type of person that if he's like, I need to. Like just, he just keeps going. So it's sort of, he's the type of person that if he's like, I need to see a doctor, I'd be like, Oh shit.

Starting point is 01:17:09 I'd be like, you don't say, are you sure? Clock's ticking. Yeah. I'd be like, fuck. Get in. That's right. So the next day, so now it's like September 2nd, Terry held a press conference during which he announced that cancer had spread to his lungs.

Starting point is 01:17:24 He was forced to end his run after 143 days. Wow. And 5,373 kilometers or 3,339 miles. She hasn't seen that far off then. Yeah. He's done pretty well. Um, from terryfox.org. He'd made it about two thirds of the way.

Starting point is 01:17:42 Amazing. He said, uh, I'll do everything I can. I'm going to do my very best. I'll fight. I promise I won't give up. And this is all from Terry Fox. His father, Roly, was overheard saying, I think it's unfair, very unfair. I don't feel this is unfair, Terry told him.

Starting point is 01:17:57 That's the thing about cancer. I'm not the only one. It happens all the time to other people. I'm not special. This just intensifies what I did. It gives it more meaning. It'll inspire more people. I could have sat on my rear end. I could have forgotten what I'd seen in the hospital, but I didn't." Like fucking what? What an attitude to have.

Starting point is 01:18:17 How many people do something they really believe in? I just wish people would realize that anything's possible if you try. Dreams are made if people try. When I started this run, I said that if we all gave $1, we'd have $22 million for cancer research or $24. And I don't care, man. There's no reason this isn't possible. No reason. I'd like to see everybody go kind of wild, inspired with the fundraising." So the run- Oh man, that cussed it going. What's it gonna do with that? You want me to go what? Okay. I've been pretty reserved before but.

Starting point is 01:18:47 Alright, I'll go a little wild. So the run didn't end with Terry dipping his artificial leg in the seawaters off Vancouver's Stanley Park as intended. Instead he was taken by ambulance back to the Royal Columbian Hospital. He continued to wear his Marathon of Hope t-shirt in hospital and refused the many offers, including one from the Toronto Maple Leaf hockey team, to finish his run for him. He was like, it has to be me that finishes it. So other people were sort of like, we'll, we'll pick it up from here. And he's like, nah. But the whole hockey team was like, we'll do it. That's incredible. Isn't that amazing? So.

Starting point is 01:19:21 And they don't, that's not part of their sport running. Not typically. That's not something that I assume can even do. If they'd offered to skate the whole way. Yeah, that makes sense. Well, yeah, they'll do it quite quickly. Rollerbladed maybe. Yeah. Because I think they're interchangeable skills, but running and skating are. No.

Starting point is 01:19:37 Jeez, that's interesting. So it was a huge national response. By the time he was forced to abandon the Marathon of Hope, Terry had raised 1.7 million, equivalent to 6 million in 2023. So 1.7 million, which is huge. So he ticked off his first goal and actually his third goal of $1. He done it. A week after his run, the CTV television network organized a nationwide telethon in support of Terry Fox and the Canadian Cancer Society.

Starting point is 01:20:05 Supported by Canadian and international celebrities, the five-hour event raised $10.5 million. Holy shit. That's unbelievable. So he's not even running now, but the funds keep coming. And you said a bit over one is worth $6 million. Yeah. So the $10.5 equivalent today would be about $37 million. That's unbelievable. It's wild.

Starting point is 01:20:25 And like he was up not even at two yet. So it's like quadruple dripled it. Yeah. And so he's right. He's kind of like, I hope that me having to stop because the cancer has spread really lights a fire under people's asses. And it does. So of that 10.5 million, there was a million dollars each by the governments of British Columbia and Ontario, the former to create a new research institute to be

Starting point is 01:20:51 founded in Fox's name and the latter an endowment given to the Ontario Cancer Treatment and Research Foundation. He really, he seems like a guy, if he was around at the right time, a whole religion would have started around him. You know what I mean? Like if he was around at the right time, a whole religion would have started around him. You know what I mean? Like, if he was around a thousand years ago, there'd be Fox sites. Yeah. And they'd be different. You know, the Fox viewers, you know, the modern day Fox. It's quite different. I don't know.

Starting point is 01:21:18 But I know you're a big viewer of Fox News and I mean 50 percent of our audience are Fox News viewers. I love Fox News and they are the 50 adopters. There's no crossover. So donations continued throughout the winter and by April over 23 million had been raised. Oh Terry! 23 million! Yeah. Supporters and well-wishers from around the world inundated Fox with letters and tokens of support.

Starting point is 01:21:47 At one point, he was receiving more mail than the rest of his hometown combined. Such was his fame that one letter addressed simply to Terry Fox, Canada, was successfully delivered. Is that wild? He's like Santa. He's getting more, he's getting more male than his entire town. Wow. And he'd had enough guitars donated to open up an entire music shop.

Starting point is 01:22:10 No offense to his town, but I'm not that surprised by this. It's insane. What's his town? You know? In September. What's his town done? Yeah. What have they done?

Starting point is 01:22:21 In September of 1980, Fox was in, he was honoured in a special ceremony as a companion of the Order of Canada. He was the youngest person to be honoured this way. The Lieutenant Governor of British Columbia named him to the Order of the Dogwood, the province's highest award. That sounds cool. Canada's Sports Hall of Fame commissioned a permanent exhibit and Fox was named the winner of the Lou Marsh award for 1980 as the nation's top athlete. The Ottawa citizen described the national response to his marathon as

Starting point is 01:22:50 one of the most powerful outpourings of emotion and generosity in Canada's history. It's huge. Terry, wow. So this is all happening. Over the following months, Terry received more rounds of chemo, as well as experimental treatments to try and battle his cancer. Canadians hoped for a miracle and Pope John Paul II sent a telegram saying that he was praying for Fox. In June of 1981, he was admitted to hospital with chest congestion which developed into

Starting point is 01:23:19 pneumonia and tragically, he fell into a coma and passed away in the wee hours of the morning of June 28, 1981, one month shy of his 23rd birthday. Holy shit. Sorry, young. Wow. In that incredible, like just, yeah, it's incredible and so sad. The government of Canada ordered flags across the country lowered to half mast, an unprecedented honor that's usually reserved for statesmen, but they lowered the flags for Terry. Addressing the House of Commons, Prime Minister Trudeau said,

Starting point is 01:23:50 it occurs very rarely in the life of a nation that the courageous spirit of one person unites all people in the celebration of his life and in the mourning of his death. We do not think of him as one who was defeated by misfortune, but as one who inspired us with the example of triumph of the human spirit over adversity." Which is very nice. His funeral was broadcast on national TV. Hundreds of communities across Canada also held memorial services. A public memorial service was held on Parliament Hill in Ottawa, and Canadians again overwhelmed cancer society offices with donations. So again, it just kept bumping. So he absolutely met his goal of a dollar for every Canadian.

Starting point is 01:24:31 That is awesome. It's huge. He's left a massive legacy, obviously, although he didn't get to complete the Marathon of Hope and passed away at a tragically young age. His efforts and spirit were hugely impactful. During his marathon, Isidore Sharpe proposed an annual fundraising run in Fox's name, and Terry agreed but insisted that the runs be non-competitive and include anyone who wanted to participate. Over 300,000 people took part and raised three and a half million dollars in the first Terry

Starting point is 01:24:59 Fox run. 300,000? Holy shit. 300,000 people did it. Schools across Canada were urged to join the second run held in September of 1982. School participation has continued since, evolving into the National School Run Day, which is a big part of the reason so many Canadians suggested Terry as a topic, because several of them mentioned growing up doing the Terry Fox run every year at school.

Starting point is 01:25:23 Oh, they all learned about him. Yeah. So the runs, which raised over $20 million in their first six years grew into an international event and now as over a million people in 60 countries took part in 1999, raising $15 million that year alone. It's a huge fundraiser. By the Terry Fox runs 25th anniversary, more than 3 million people were taking part annually. Grants from the Terry Fox Foundation, which organizes the runs, have helped Canadian scientists make numerous advances in cancer research. Oh, you wish he knew.

Starting point is 01:25:57 I know. So the Terry Fox Run is the world's largest one-day fundraiser for cancer research. And as of May 2022, I couldn't find the most up-to-date numbers, but as of May 2022, over $850 million has been raised. Hands are on my head. That is unbelievable. Isn't that insane? It's absolutely incredible. So I've wanted to do this topic for ages, but I was also like, it's very sad, but it's incredible. Like it's so, I don't know, it's so bittersweet, but also so beautiful to see what this young man did.

Starting point is 01:26:38 Yes, and that is still ongoing. The legacy is unbelievable. Like, who else does that? It's huge. There's a couple of times even just like reading the Wikipedia page, just alone in my study going, just getting a bit choked up. It's amazing. So there's an entire Wikipedia page of monuments and memorials to Terry Fox, but let me just

Starting point is 01:26:56 list off a few for you. So there's approximately 32 roads and streets, 14 schools, seven statues, nine running trails and a previously unnamed mountain in the Canadian Rockies that have all been named after Terry Fox. It's named Mount Terry Fox. I like it. Yeah. Maybe Mount Terry would be good. Mount Terry would be fantastic.

Starting point is 01:27:19 His story was dramatized in the 1983 biographical film, The Terry Fox Story. It was aired as a television, like a TV movie in the US and had a theatre run in Canada. It starred amputee actor, Eric Fryer and Robert Duvall. Bit of fun. As Doug. High school friends. In my head, Robert Duvall has always been very old, but he definitely was like, it was in the eighties. He was still- No, I mean, in The Godfather, he was already like, looked like he wasn't a high schooler.

Starting point is 01:27:50 Yeah, that's right. So while Terry wouldn't allow anyone else to take over his run when he was forced to stop, he did, of course, inspire others. Steve Fogno, an 18 year old with the same form of cancer and who also had a leg amputated, sought in 1984 to duplicate Fox's run, calling his effort, The Journey for Lives. After leaving St. John on March 31st, Fono reached the point where Fox was forced to end his marathon at the end of November and completed the transcontinental run in May of 1985. The Journey for Lives raised over $13 million for cancer research. Crazy.

Starting point is 01:28:30 And he like, he stopped where like Terry had to stop sort of on purpose, like as a nod to him. It's yeah, like, and that probably didn't even count in that money you're talking about before, like the fundraising he even inspired is wild. Is incredible. How many custard bars are people having every year just because? Yeah, I was wondering why everyone did that. It's because of Terry.

Starting point is 01:28:52 Yeah. And they cost $900. Canadian Paralympic athlete Rick Hansen. He was the one who had recruited Fox to play on his wheelchair basketball team in the 70s. He was also inspired by the Marathon of Hope. He had first considered circumnavigating the globe in his wheelchair in 1974 and he decided to do it. He began the Man in Motion World Tour in 1985 for the goal of raising $10 million towards research into spinal cord injuries. As Fono had, Hanson paused at the spot Fox's run ended to honor the late runner. As Fono had Hanson paused at the spot Fox's run ended to honor the late runner.

Starting point is 01:29:34 He completed his world tour in 87 after 792 days and 40,000 kilometers or nearly 25,000 miles. And he traveled through 34 countries and raised over $26 million. Wow. Isn't that insane? So. Love that name, Man in Motion. Yeah, it's good, isn't it? That song's on my running playlist. It's a good running song, Man in Motion. Yeah, it's good, isn't it? That song's on my running playlist. It's a good running song.

Starting point is 01:29:48 Man in Motion? Yeah. It's an Elmos Fire, Man in Motion, I think it's called. Or I'm totally wrong and it's called something else like, like, Flippity Flub. And I've just misremembered it. I love Flippity Flub. It's also on my running playlist. Wanna be a flippity flub. Great song. A banger. I love flibbity flub. It's also in my running playlist. Wanna be a flibbity flub.

Starting point is 01:30:07 Great song. A banger. So Terry's family continued to fundraise and spread awareness as Terry had set out to do. With so much public attention on his cause and on his passing, Betty Fox, she basically had no time to grieve. She took on the development of the Terry Fox Run with the Canadian Cancer Society. In 1988, the Terry Fox Foundation became its own charitable organization and Betty took the lead on many parts of the run and the foundation, ensuring Terry's wishes and goals

Starting point is 01:30:36 were reflected in the runs organization. It's estimated that Betty spoke to more than 400,000 school children alone during her 25 years of touring the country, leaving each and every child with the inspirational story of the Marathon of Hope. The final words of every speech, never, ever give up on your dreams, have become her hallmark. So she just spent the rest of her life working on this organisation. That's really nice. She passed away at the age of 73 in 2011.

Starting point is 01:31:04 Terry's father, Roly, passed away in 2016. The Fox family is still heavily involved in the foundation and on the foundation's website they say, Terry's legacy is vibrant today because there are Terry Foxes from coast to coast, south to north, responsible for continuing the Marathon of Hope. Our collective promise to Terry is we will not rest until his dream, which has become our own, is realized." Isn't that nice? So nice. That is nice and still going is amazing.

Starting point is 01:31:31 Yeah, it's huge. Like there's runs every year, there's all sorts of events. It's absolutely massive. And yeah, you can see now why so many Canadians and one Australian and one American suggested the story of Terry Fox, because although it's so sad that a person died so young, it's also like what an amazing achievement he did. What an inspirational person and just a very cool story. It just is like his vision, right? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:32:00 He like, I kept forgetting he was so young. Yeah. He's 22 and he's like, if we can do another run, but it's not competitive. Like, yeah, yeah, great. Put my name on it for sure. Totally. Yeah. It's going to be competitive. Fantastic. Yeah. What? I don't know.

Starting point is 01:32:19 But he's like, yeah, it's one of my everything. He's just like, no, no, it's important that it's this way. I need it. Need it to be. Anyone can enter. Yeah. Competitive makes it a totally different thing. Everything he's just like, no, no, it's important that it's this way. I need it to be, anyone can enter. Competitive makes it a totally different thing. I'm like, of course. What Terry said actually, I'm in the bed next to him, yeah, yeah, Terry. In the bed.

Starting point is 01:32:34 In the bed. You mean like in a hospital? I poked my head out. Yeah, just in his bed. Yeah, I'm like, no, no, what Terry? Yeah. Don't ask why I'm in here. Why are you even asking me? Listen to Terry. Listen to Terry. And everyone's like, no, no, what Terry? Yeah. Don't ask why I'm in here. Why are you even asking me?

Starting point is 01:32:45 Listen to Terry. Listen to Terry. And everyone's like, who is this guy? Who is this? Could someone shut this guy up? Yeah, people do say that. Sorry, mate. I don't know.

Starting point is 01:32:55 I've got a problem. Sorry about that. Sorry about that. I talk so slow, but I don't stop. I'm a nightmare. Sorry. But there you go. That is the story of Terry Fox.

Starting point is 01:33:06 That is amazing. Pretty cool, huh? Like it's yeah, it's it's a roller coaster. By the way, Terry is that's that's on my list of great names. Yeah, they were Gary and Greg and Fox is a great last name. Nearly any name goes with Fox Megan Fox. Incredible. Do another name. Fox is fantastic. Nearly any name goes with Fox. Megan Fox. Incredible. Do another name.

Starting point is 01:33:27 Fox Fox. Oh, Molder Fox. Molder Fox. What about Jessica Fox? Oh, that actually is really good. Incredible. Matthew Fox. Yeah, that's a person, isn't it?

Starting point is 01:33:39 I think David Fox works. Dave Fox. Dave Fox isn't good. You'd have to be a David. David Fox. It's because the V and the F run together. Yeah, David Fox. Too much. David Fox works, but what Dave Fox isn't Dave Fox isn't good. You'd have to be a David. David Fox. It's because the V and the F run together. Yeah, too much. David Fox, David Fox by name, David Fox by nature.

Starting point is 01:33:53 Fox in the streets, but also Fox on the sheets. I think it works, Dave. It all works. False advertising, but I think it would work. There's the Terry, Terry Fox. Org is the foundation's website and there's a lot of information. There's a there's like a visual map there as well of sort of his journey and how far he made it.

Starting point is 01:34:11 And there's a timeline and stuff. Not to be a smart ass. What other kind of maps are there? Just so we're just wondering what does it mean? What is the visual map? I'm not trying to be a smart. What is the visual map? Like it's interactive.

Starting point is 01:34:23 Gotcha. Sorry. Little fuck. I'm sorry about to be a smiler. What does a visual map mean? Like it's interactive. Gotcha. Sorry. Little fuck. I'm sorry about that. Babe. Babe, I'm so sorry, babe. I'm a nightmare. I'm so sorry, babe. I'm being a nightmare, aren't I babe?

Starting point is 01:34:33 You are a nightmare, babe. I'm talking myself now, babe. Do we need to be here or can we go? I don't know who they are, babe. Don't worry about them, babe. We're all good, babe. We don't need them, babe. Well, hey, Jess, what a fantastic tile.

Starting point is 01:34:49 Thank you. And you know what? Thank you. It is, you know where I remember it from? It's in the mix for, because it's been so often suggested, it's in the block poll every year. Ah. And I think, you know, in brackets, I put what the story is, and the brackets is every year. Ah. And I think, you know, in brackets, I put what the story is,

Starting point is 01:35:06 and the brackets is Canadian hero. Yeah. But I never knew more than that. Yeah. That's why my head went Canadian, and it like had been baked in. It was in there. I knew none of that.

Starting point is 01:35:16 Yeah. But I'm so glad I do now. I mean, it makes me feel like a real piece of shit, but also inspired as well. Oh, what an inspiring person. Just, yeah. And I mean, that's part of the fun of like this podcast is we get to talk about people who do pretty amazing things. And we get to sit here and go, Jesus Christ, I could never do that.

Starting point is 01:35:33 Yeah. And then we talk about a serial killer and we go, Jesus Christ, I could never do that. And then we reflect well. Yeah, that's true. So, you know. I could never rob a bank. No, because I'm a good person. Good person. A lazy person. It's not a work ethic thing.

Starting point is 01:35:48 I'm lazy, but that's got nothing to do with it. But yeah, so so good, Bob. But hey, did you know that that brings us to everyone's favourite section of the show? A lot of people probably have just skipped to this point now. Welcome to the show. You should rewind. Yeah, that was a good one. Just have to rewind. Yeah, of course. And go back to the start of the tape rewind. Yeah, that was a good one. Just have to rewind. Yeah, of course.

Starting point is 01:36:05 And go back to the start of the tape and listen to a fantastic story about the life of Jeff Foxworthy, I think. And am I remembering that right? Yeah. We also mentioned Robert Duvall. That's true. Couple of the greats. But Terry Fox.

Starting point is 01:36:23 Terry Fox, sorry. And this sounds like we're probably recording this bit a month later, but we're not. We did not even stop at all. But this part of the show, we thank some of our fantastic Patreon supporters. If you want to be involved, please go to patreon.com slash sigma pod. There's a bunch of different levels. Dave, you can explain what the different levels entail. Well, you get to vote for two out of three of the topics.

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Starting point is 01:37:23 My dear friend Tom came on and we spoke about the history of the band, how it all came about. And then we listened to our CD that we recorded 20 years ago. And it was a lot of fun. It was so much fun. Had a great time. And you can hear Jess really enjoy the term crack the shit. Exactly. That was that episode. And you can also hear about live shows before anyone else and get discount codes for the live shows. You get money off tickets.

Starting point is 01:37:49 Joining the Patreon, it saves you money as well somehow. That's right. There's like four different levels depending on where you're on, but any level you get the discounts and whatnot, I think the lowest that we get to vote won every cycle and whatnot. But anyway, the first thing we normally do is the fact, quote or question section, which actually I think from remembering, right, has a little jingle. Maybe go something like something like this. Fact, quote or question.

Starting point is 01:38:18 He always remembers the dings, but that's not how I remember it going. But I loved that. I liked it loved I hope that's the new version. The ding or the sing the sing. Oh, thank you. It was beautiful. His ding was shit. The ding was fine. The sing was fantastic.

Starting point is 01:38:34 The sing. I back you up. No, no, I said I don't think I said it was shit, but it did feel shit compared to how good the singles. Well, I can't. So we don't look great at that. Yeah, the ding needed a lift in, you know, in light of the new sing. That's all I'm going to think about for next week.

Starting point is 01:38:50 We want the ding to out-shun the sing. Out-shun. Yeah, that's true, too. Uh, anyway, almost got it. If you're on the fact, quite a question level, which is the Sydney Schomburg level, you get to give us a fact, quite a question or really whatever you like. Bragg suggestion. People have really been taking it for a bit of a walk recently. I've got three to read out today. If you are on that level, feel free to get them in because the sack is running low, which is what I put the facts, quotes and questions in.

Starting point is 01:39:19 DM me on Patreon if you don't have the link, but you should have it somewhere. Anyway, the first one comes from Piper Galaher. Everyone also gets to give themselves a title. I should also say I don't read them out till I read them out just in case I stuff anything up. Anyway, Piper has got the title of Everyone Seems to be Picking a Duga One Family Member Title. So I feel like I should too. Let's see here. I don't know.

Starting point is 01:39:43 I'll be the fucking dog or some shit. Oh, it took a turn. Okay. Well, yeah, that tone was confusing. But that's I think mostly in Matt's delivery. I was in the read. That's right. Any notes?

Starting point is 01:39:57 God no. No, no. There's nothing I can do to fix it. Oh, okay. Yeah, it's beyond help. Yes. Anyway, Piper Gallagher, the Gallagher, sorry, Piper Gallagher, the podcast dog is offering a recipe.

Starting point is 01:40:09 We love dogs, so that's good. Yeah, it'd be interesting. What kind of dogs? What kind of recipes are the dogs on the come up with? Dog treats. All right. Well, let's see if this is what it is. Piper Arts, I'm sorry if this is long. The written word carried me on an unstoppable wave

Starting point is 01:40:23 that I had no choice but to ride until it's breaking on the shore of literature. Wow. This is a recipe for an everything sauce I developed while carrying out my sentence at Papa's Pizza on West 11th Avenue. I call it Zaza sauce and the reasoning is twofold. Onefold, it was developed at a pizza restaurant.

Starting point is 01:40:44 I hope you're following the train of thought there. Yep. So far so good. Yep. Fold two. It's so good. It makes you feel like you just smoked some of that exquisitely dankalicious Zaza. We all know that feeling. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:40:58 And the rest- Dave especially. Oh my God. Puff Puff. But yeah, enough of the Puff Puff Dave. A bit more of the give mate. Okay. This recipe is as follows, two parts of buttermilk ranch, medium consistency, not too runny or too thick.

Starting point is 01:41:15 Goldilocks style. I can't play the thing, I've already lost at what buttermilk ranch is. Don't worry about it. Yeah, ranch. Ranch. With buttermilk, is that two things put together? They love ranch. No, I think it's just the style of ranch,. Yeah, ranch. Ranch. With buttermilk, is that two things put together? They love ranch.

Starting point is 01:41:25 No, I think it's just the style of ranch, buttermilk ranch. It's a more specific thing of a thing we don't know. Ranch. Does Subway do ranch though? Ranch. You could go to a local Subway and ask for a bottle. Can we get one bottle of ranch, please? Oh, buttermilk versions, as you guessed it, have the addition of buttermilk and tend to be a bit thinner. In what?

Starting point is 01:41:43 According to Allrecipes.com. They have buttermilk and tend to be a bit thinner. In what? According to allrecipes.com. They have buttermilk in the what? In the ranch. Ranch. Ranch, sorry, sorry about that in the ranch. So you've got two parts buttermilk ranch, one part barbecue sauce, garlic powder to taste, oh this word I don't know, cayenne powder to taste or sea-an. Cayenne.

Starting point is 01:42:00 Cayenne. The best version, what does that mean? It's a pepper. It's a pepper. The best version, what does that mean? It's a pepper. It's a pepper. The best version, like a green pepper or a black pepper? Red. Red, but it's like a big, like a bell pepper. Red, yes.

Starting point is 01:42:13 Like a capsicum. Like a chili. You can also get it in like powdered form too. Yeah, I get cayenne powder. The best versions to use for these base sauces are from Papa's Pizza itself. But since they don't exist outside of Oregon, your favorite varieties should certainly serve you just as well as long as you don't dwell for too long

Starting point is 01:42:31 on what might have been. It's sweet, creamy, oh yeah, this is like a chili pepper. Gotcha. It's sweet, creamy, and a little spicy, just like its creator. It's delicious on cold cut sandwiches, dipping fries or chippies. I think that's for you, Jess. Chippies. Into and it's good on burgers.

Starting point is 01:42:50 Hell, it could even make a decent salad dressing if you're one of those perverts who like salad. No judgment. I mean, it sounds like a little bit of judgment. Perverts was in all caps. Pervs love salad. Pervs love salad. Nothing pervy themselves. Especially tossing a salad. Oh my God. Stop stop it Matt. This is a child friendly podcast. Creamy salad net, thank you. Have I sworn on this podcast? This episode? Yeah. This could be the first time. Maybe this might

Starting point is 01:43:16 get a child free. Get a child free. It might be child, whatever the version. Friendly. Child friendly. Childly, it's free. Mark the episode as child free. And for another week we haven't had a child on the show, so no child-label laws broken here. Child free, we're all adults. I checked. What does that mean? You have to have ID to come into this podcast.

Starting point is 01:43:39 Yeah, that makes more sense. It actually, it was very flattering when he asked me. My personal favorite use for the czar, as it's known to legend, is on a hoagie. What the heck did that joke? With turkey, salami, and pepper jack cheese. A generous drizzle and a firm flattening of the sandwich to get the sauce nice and soaked into the bread

Starting point is 01:43:55 makes the perfect summertime lunch. I now realize that this has become one of those recipe blog posts which rambles on too far and for too long about anything other than the recipe and that this realization is just adding to that fact. But frankly, if that's an issue, it sounds like you need to chill out and just enjoy some Zaza wink emoji. Thank you so much, Piper.

Starting point is 01:44:18 Thank you so much, Piper. That was one of the most American recipes I've ever come across. It was indecipherable. But I could imagine what it was going to be like. I mean, I'd love to try it. It was going to be on a hoagie with turkey and like a pepper cheese. That sounds incredible. It sounds like you go down to Bodega and get a sub.

Starting point is 01:44:36 What is a Bodega again? It's like a corner shop. Yeah. Corner shop. I think they sometimes have like a little deli thing in there. Oh my god. That's the one I want to do anyway. And it had something like that with like a really saucy sandwich.

Starting point is 01:44:48 I want to go to a bodega. Yeah, I want to go to a bodega. Next, thank you so much, Piper. The next one comes from Rebecca Healy, a junior AI Wrangler or junior Al Wrangler. I'm not sure. And it's a suggestion. And Rebecca writes, hi all. I have a couple of suggestions if that's okay.

Starting point is 01:45:06 Sure is. First of all, Matt, whenever Ask Hockey comes up like it did today, you seem to talk about the penguins. I didn't today, but yeah, the penguins, go penguins, go flames. Yeah, there's a place called Penguin in Tassie. So good. And there's a big penguin there. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:45:20 Tony Martin talks about it in his standup at some point, I think. And he's like, I can't, I'll butcher it, but it's but it's just it's like it's not that big but it is big for a penguin. It's like a model of a penguin there's not just one big penguin that lives there. Yeah yeah. It's a statue. Like an Australian. Unfortunately I did imagine a live one and now I'm disappointed. It's just one big penguin there. There's a big penguin there. We don't know how big. Rehka says that's okay I know but since you're a Pantera fan, I'd really like to humbly invite you to the Dallas Stars fold. Cause they, oh, about to write that.

Starting point is 01:45:51 I was about to say, Pantera wrote our goal slash fight song and it's hands down the best one in the league. Honest. Watch it here. You can watch it. I've seen it. It's very good. I mean, if it wasn't for me getting a Penguin's hat as a child, as a reward for not

Starting point is 01:46:05 parting my nails for a month. Did you get to pick the hat or was it just given to you? I was in a... I picked it, but it was out of the discount bin at Sports Mart. It was a cool hat. I had no idea what it meant. I had an Orlando Magic hat just because I thought it was cool. I got given it. I couldn't afford an Orlando Magic hat.

Starting point is 01:46:23 That's what I wanted. That's the difference between you and I. Yeah. My grandparents brought me back from America a San Jose Sharks hat. Wow. What do they play? That's an NHL one. Right. It was a really cool hat. I lost it on a school camp. Oh my God. Did you have that thing where you could pull the thing and it like snapped the shark?

Starting point is 01:46:41 I think you better believe it. Yeah, yeah. Anyway. Oh yeah, you lost it. It's even better live, even if it's been over 20 years since I've heard it last, unfortunately. Anyway, since you appear to be a 49ers fan, I know you'll do the right thing and choose the other best team out there. Okay, maybe I didn't nail that humbly bit. I love it. I think Dallas is now, I'd love to go to a Dallas game for

Starting point is 01:47:05 sure. I haven't been to Dallas. Love to go. My other suggestion is for everyone listening, because I took Jess's suggestion around the holidays and purchased and read Aidan Simpson's reincarnation of Tom. Okay. I loved it. Everyone should read it. And not just because Mr. Simpson has the right connections. It's so fun and thought provoking. I won't give anything away, but just wanted to say thanks for the recommendation. So there's a suggestion for Matt, a second end suggestion from Jess and Dave. I can only think to keep being absolutely a hundred percent okay and not at all dead. Seriously though, congratulations on becoming a dad, which is not dead.

Starting point is 01:47:46 I hope you're living in sleepless bliss. Thank you. It's all going great. Rebecca didn't say that great last night, but I'm feeling in bliss. And thank you for buying my partner's book because that contributes to my rent. It's good book. It's a good book. Yeah, that's my good one. If you get if you're going to buy one of them by reincarnation of Tom, you can get it on ebook. I'm a good book. Yeah. Reincarnation of Tom's. That's my good book. If you get if you're going to buy one of them, buy Reincarnation of Tom. You can get it on ebook, I'm pretty sure too.

Starting point is 01:48:09 Can you? Yeah. So you reckon that's better than the more recent one? When you say you can only buy one? Yeah. He would back that up. All right. Yeah. I don't think that that's what he would say. Yes. You're just.

Starting point is 01:48:23 I'm speaking for him. I'm the messenger. Just the messenger. I'm the messenger. Don't shoot me. Finally this week, we've got one from Pete Holberton, who works for NASA, you two are well aware. And Pete Holberton has the name, I mean, I wish he kept the name that I know him as, silly-eyed missile man.

Starting point is 01:48:42 But God, that's a good nickname. Let's see what he has there. Anyway, Pete's giving himself the title of share of dull, boring and bland facts. Okay, well I'm going to zone out for a bit then. Thank you, Pete. I have a little break. I've done a lot of talking today. I'll step up to the plate here, Pete.

Starting point is 01:48:54 So Pete writes, the village of dull in Scotland has been twinned with boring in Oregon since 2012. That is actually fun by accident. That fucking rules. That's really good. Oh no, I swore! That... Frickin' rules.

Starting point is 01:49:08 Yeah, yeah. I had nothing else. What else do you say? What do normal people say? Effin'. That absolutely rules? That's disgusting. You're going to say that rules?

Starting point is 01:49:16 No, that rules isn't enough. Means nothing. In 2013, they were joined by Bland Shire in New South Wales. Dull, boring and bland call themselves the League of Extraordinary Communities, though they're also known as the Trinity of Tedium. Thanks for the laughs as always. Oh, my God, I love that. That's killer.

Starting point is 01:49:40 That's great fact, Pete. Oh, that is so good. I love it, like, because he's keeping his eyes on the skies, but he's also keeping his eyes on some great facts. Thanks so much to Pete, Rebecca and Piper. Next thing we'd like to do a shout out to a few of our other fantastic supporters. Jess, you normally come up with a bit of a game based on the topic at hand. Yeah, so I was thinking, like, if they're doing some sort of journey across their country, what mode of transport, whether it's, you know, like Terry ran, that other guy was in a wheelchair, what they're

Starting point is 01:50:13 using. Okay, great. And I think- What's their gimmick? Yeah, okay. We had Samuel Johnson do a famous one Australia on a unicycle. Yep. Oh, that's right.

Starting point is 01:50:22 Yeah. And he raised lots and lots of money for that. Good on him. Yeah, that's pretty cool. All right. So Dave, you want to read them out and me and Jess will come up with the... Absolutely. We'd love to read out some lovely names from some supporters that, you know, mean the world to us. I'll give Jess an adjective and she can then have the mode of transport. Great. Love it. All right. First of all, I'd like to thank from Wellington in New Zealand, a place that we dream of visiting one day for Some live shows would love to get to New Zealand all over the all over both islands

Starting point is 01:50:50 But you know, we'll see what we can get to I'd love to thank from Wellington though Florence Dean Fantastic name in a big come on Zamboni really big really big Maggit Really big. Really big. And they're already- Is that an adjective? I think it is.

Starting point is 01:51:05 Yeah. Swell at the first hurdle. Big. I forgot who said what word. I'm like, are you saying at Zamboni is an adjective? That's great. Florenstein tearing it up. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:51:16 Big Zamboni. Yeah. I really hope- It's killer. I was going to say, I really hope that you're in an icy place. I guess Wellington can be. It's a windy city. It's known as one of the windiest.

Starting point is 01:51:26 Wow. Take that, Chicago. You're fucked. So thanks, Florence. I'd like to also thank from Mount Dandenong, a bit closer to home here in Victoria, Stacey Carpenter. A fabulous. Tandem bike. Oh, yeah. Solo, though.

Starting point is 01:51:44 Solo. It's actually quite clunky. Yeah, it's really hard work. Yeah. And that's. Wow, solo though? Solo. That's actually quite clunky. Yeah. That's really hard work. Yeah. And that's, that's part of the gimmick. And everyone says, Stacey, do you need a hand? No.

Starting point is 01:51:52 No, nobody else get on. It's me. This is my thing. Yeah. It's nice. I was supposed to do it with Eric, but he bailed. All right. Now we, now I want to show him up.

Starting point is 01:52:01 I don't need him. I don't need you, Eric. Fuck you, Eric. I mean, stuff you, Eric. Fuck you, Eric. I mean, stuff you, Eric. I would like to thank now from Location Unknown to us. We can only imagine they're deep within the fortress of the moles. A big thank you to Simone. A high octane. Guitar shaped motorbike.

Starting point is 01:52:22 Whoa, that's awesome. That is sick. Is that real? Yeah, it's raising money for music awareness. Yeah, that is awesome. That would do some damage if it drove into you. It's got like a rocket attached to the back of it. Pretty cool. Are you googling high octane motorcycles? No, there are a lot of them. Guitar shaped motorbike. They can't be real. It just looks dangerous. It looks like they are riding on the body of the guitar and then the... Oh, looks like maybe AI or something. But yeah, the net goes out in front.

Starting point is 01:52:54 Oh, I like that one. OK, well, Simone's got to look very cool. Simone, your email starts with a P if that makes you know who you are. Just in case. Thank you so much. We only read out the information that we've been given. I'd like to thank now from Margate. Margate in Great Britain, probably in Kent. I'd like to thank another single name here.

Starting point is 01:53:13 Gareth. Gareth. Gareth from Margate. In an aerodynamic tube. I mean, really good rolling? Yeah. Well, that would be a nightmare. Yeah. Is it like a Pringles tube type thing? Something you mean?

Starting point is 01:53:28 Do you reckon they're dancing on top of it or are they in, it's big and they're inside of it? A bit of both. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. It's nice to take a break. Yeah, you gotta have variety, but on top you're sort of running backwards very quickly.

Starting point is 01:53:39 Good on you, Gareth. Maybe like a hippopotamus would in a cartoon about a circus or something. Exactly right. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Good on you, Gareth. Maybe like a hippopotamus would in a cartoon about a circus or something. Exactly right, yes. Yes. That might be a very specific memory. No, no. Or a made up thing.

Starting point is 01:53:51 I think you're right. Or a real thing. Now over to Denver in Colorado, where I would like to thank Avery Wiseman. Oh, I like that. In the horniest... Horse. It's going stiffy the whole time. He's getting distracted.

Starting point is 01:54:03 Yeah. Right past the panic of... The horniest. Horse. It's got to sniff you the whole time. He's getting distracted. Yeah. Right past the panic. I'm like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, horse is running towards something it wants to fuck. Yeah. And then just holding on for dear life as it fucks. You're talking at a weird angle. You've got to really engage the core to stay on the horse. Gee, that sounds like a nightmare. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:54:36 Good luck out there, Avery. I would like to thank from Palo Alto in California. It's Amanda Robb. The mysterious. Razor scooter. What's so mysterious about it? They've spray painted it black. We don't know whose it is.

Starting point is 01:54:58 Where'd it come from? Where'd it come from? It just appeared. Oh my gosh. Whoa. Amanda Robb, you are so mysterious. Are you as- that's a big one to get across as well. Whoa. Amanda, Rob, you are so mysterious. You as it's a big one to get across as well. Yeah. I'm going to raise the scooter.

Starting point is 01:55:08 I'm going to raise the scooter. Still easier than running, surely. The razor scooter has NOS. Oh, that's cool. Whoa. I would like to thank from Footscray also here in Victoria, a big shout out to Trav Crapinshits. Trav? That's a beautiful name.

Starting point is 01:55:24 Crap-Crapinshits? Crapinshits. I think it's Crapinshits. Crap and shits. Trav. That's a beautiful name. Crap, crap and shits. Crap and shits. I think it's crap and shits. Crap and shits. I'm going to go with rambunctious. Train. Oh, yeah. Train.

Starting point is 01:55:34 What's so rambunctious about it? I don't know what rambunctious means. Toot toot. That's your rambunctious train? Toot toot toot. Hey, Trav, crap and shit, you can have whatever you like. Just enjoying a nice train journey, actually. Yeah, it's quite nice. I would like to thank from St. Petersburg over in Florida.

Starting point is 01:55:54 Thank you to Molly Spoodie or Molly Spuddy. Molly Spuddy, a diligent. Diligent dingo. Oh, okay. Yeah. Eyes on the pros. That's right. Very diligent dingo. Oh, okay. Yeah. Eyes on the pros. That's right. Very focused dingo.

Starting point is 01:56:09 They're hard to write. They're not that big. They are. Dave, can you do, when I tell you the dictionary definition for rambunctious, can you give me another rambunctious trang? Cause yours was not. I was like, that's the opposite of rambunctious. Okay.

Starting point is 01:56:21 What's rambunctious mean? Wildly boisterous. Toot toot mother baaaaaam! Is that better? Yeah. You happy with that? Okay. Okay. What's your own bunch just mean? Wildly boisterous. Is that better? Yeah. You're happier with that? Difficult to control a handle. Wildly boisterous. Oh, so you. Yeah. You're untamable. You didn't think my first not obnoxious enough. It was cute. I'm coming through. Rambunctious enough. It was cute. I'm coming through. Yoohoo!

Starting point is 01:56:44 I'm a train! You're a man of words. You know, you're a man of books. Uh-huh. And you thought rambunctious meant, like, meek? I just like doing a little toot toot sounds. It's fun. Toot toot.

Starting point is 01:56:57 Toot toot. Yoohoo! A koi train. Yoohoo! Over here! Who, me? And finally, I would like to thank this week from Sparks. A koi train. You! Over here! Who, me? And finally, I would like to thank this week from Sparks in

Starting point is 01:57:10 Nevada. Thank you to Dana, not Diana. OK. Dana has been called Diana a lot, I think. Because it is spelled D-A-I-N-A and then the surname is Nat. Nat. Diana. Yeah. Dana, Nath, Diana.

Starting point is 01:57:29 Dana. Well, that's very American because here we'd say Nurt, Diana. Nurt. Nurt. Nurt, Diana. Is your name Diana? Nurt. Nurt.

Starting point is 01:57:41 Nurt. It's Dana. Nurt is Dana. And what's Dana on? Dana's on a... Oh jeez, the last one. I'm going through so many great options. I know, you've got heaps, yeah. What kind of thing do you want?

Starting point is 01:57:58 Anything. Oh, okay. I'll see you want to use it. An all-encompassing... Orb. Perfect. Perfect. Inside the Orb. Perfect. Perfect. Inside the orb.

Starting point is 01:58:08 Inside the orb, yeah, like zorbing. Because it's all encompassing, I guess it's already, it's either side of the country all at once. It's sucking everything in. Yeah, it's actually quite dangerous. I would get out of the way of Dana, not Diana. Diana. And also not Diana.

Starting point is 01:58:22 Diner, not Diana, that's for sure. All meals are included. It's all encompassing. Thank you so much to Dana, Molly, Trav, Amanda, Avery, Gareth, Simone, Stacey and Florence. And the last thing we need to do is welcome of just the one today, very special inductee into the Triptych Club. Just to quickly let you know, if you don't know, Triptych Club is a very exclusive area for patrons who have been supporting on the shout out level or above for three straight years. Once inside, they're not allowed to leave, but they don't want to anyway. Why would you want to?

Starting point is 01:58:57 There's no reason to. It's got everything you need. That's ridiculous. From like ice hockey tables to, you know, like a fridge with multiple drinks in it. Just behind the bar, she's only putting together a new special cocktail on her ever expanding menu. She hasn't- I don't think she's included a new digestible drink for a while, but the back catalogue is still there and there are a lot of good ones. Dave also books a man for the after party. Oh, man, you're never going to believe her book this week.

Starting point is 01:59:25 What? We've just mentioned them. It's completely coincidental because obviously there's been a lot of back and forth. They were supposed to come in four weeks ago, but then there was a bit of food poisoning, so we've had to bump them to this week. But thank you. Hitting the stage tonight, singer of St. Elmer's Fire in brackets, man in motion, John Parr is here. Wow. I got Parr also famous for his number six hit Naughty Naughty.

Starting point is 01:59:48 Oh, I love Naughty Naughty. I don't think I knew we had any other songs. Yeah. But that, I mean, if he's going to play Naughty Naughty. Wow. How high did Man In Motion get? Is Naughty Naughty his biggest hit? No, Man In Motion charted at number one in the US and number six in the UK.

Starting point is 02:00:06 Well, there you go. So good. Also, what better was released in Australia as Flumber Flumber, was it? Yes. Gonna be a thumby flumber. They didn't think Man in Motion translated to Australia. Yeah, we don't get it. What does that mean? No, we don't get it. No.

Starting point is 02:00:24 No. That's better. it. What does that mean? No, we don't get it. No. No. Yeah, that's better. Thank you. No. Is that closer? Yep. No. So get ready for the musical starlings of John Parr, everyone. And Jess, have you worked on any new dishes this week or drinks? Well, you made me feel a bit shit before because you said like, I haven't,

Starting point is 02:00:42 I haven't said anything that's consumable. But this time I made a Terry Fox cocktail. Oh cool. And it's Fox blood and I thought that would... Yeah, it's consumable. I thought, yeah. It's not appetising. It's like not all, it's not like thick blood, it's like I've diluted it.

Starting point is 02:01:00 In the first few years of it you made some really delicious sounding cocktails. Uh huh. And now you don't... They're still available. It does feel like you've lost your mind. It does really look like... Well, okay, okay. So the drinks, not good, but the old good ones are still available. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:01:17 But I have... But this is thinned out fox blood. It's thinned out fox blood, but also dining wise, because our stove's still on the fritz, I have got in some catering from the Four Seasons. Oh, fantastic. It's thinned out Fox Blood, but also dining wise, because our stove's still in the fritz, I have got in some catering from the Four Seasons. Oh, fantastic. So it's actually fancy as fuck. Oh my god, they're the ones who donated cash?

Starting point is 02:01:34 Yeah. Oh, the Four Seasons. So it's actually, it's honestly like, it's a level of fancy I'm uncomfortable with. Yeah. But some of our Triptych Club members might enjoy it as a little break from really hot soup. They'd be different. The four seasons over in America would be different to ours because we have all our

Starting point is 02:01:51 vows in one day in Melbourne. So I'm going to, which is very unique to Melbourne. No one else in the world has that. We have very changeable weather here and coffee, which other cities don't have. We don't have it. We do have it. They don't have it. They don't have it. I really think we should take coffee to the world. I think they'd really enjoy it. I don't know if they would appreciate it. I did need to double check that when he was staying at the Four Seasons,

Starting point is 02:02:13 was he staying at the Four Seasons Hotel? Was he staying at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping? Oh, yes. We should double check that. Ah. Because that mistake has been made publicly before. Yes, that's true. By the past and future US president. All right. Are we ready? We're ready. All right. So the way it works is I'm on the door.

Starting point is 02:02:33 I'm the bouncer basically. I'm the muscle. Just this once. Yeah, okay, you're the muscle. Just be just be nice to Dave about his web. Because sometimes you're always like, it's pretty weak, you know, and I just think I think it deflates him a little bit. So just this time, just try to like- Oh, that's not fair. He's not meant to hear that.

Starting point is 02:02:47 That's for the listeners so that they lower their expectations and he can nearly, you know, get over the- You say it loud enough that he can hear it. And you said to me the other week that it hurts his feelings. All right, listeners. Thank you for standing up for me. Dave does some wordplay to welcome in the inductor and it's normally dog shit. And I'm only letting you know that just so you're prepared and you actually feel okay.

Starting point is 02:03:09 Did he say something over there? No, we're just pausing for a moment. So yeah, it's honestly, it might make you feel sick with how bad it is, but if it doesn't make you physically vomit, and that's the only way I know how to vomit, if it doesn't make you do that, think of that as a win and just be, yeah. All right. So I'm going to I'm going to go back to the group now. Okay, so don't tell him he said that because apparently he's a real he's a real fragile little bitch. So don't never message him and say that I said this because he apparently he's he's he's weak as, you know, like fine China, which I don't know if that's weak or not, but I couldn't think of an analogy.

Starting point is 02:03:47 But you understand. Fine China. All right, back in the room, Chas. Were you eavesdropping on me right then? No, absolutely not. I was just I was waiting patiently while you obviously had a break for some sort of reason. And now we're ready to finish up. A mental break. So, all right, Dave's on stage.

Starting point is 02:04:04 He's going to hype you up. If you hear your name, run on in. Everyone else is already in the club because they're not allowed to leave. They're there cheering you on. Jester's hopping up Dave. He doesn't need it because his work so good, but she's there just in case on the off chance Dave does a really bad dog shit wordplay pun or anything on either their place of residence or their name. All right, here we are. We ready to go? Hands on the tush. Let's do it. Here we go. Welcome in from Blankview in South Australia.

Starting point is 02:04:32 It's Troy Partridge. Aha! And a Troy in a pear tree. Welcome, Troy. Knowing me, Dave Ornike, knowing you. Troy Partridge. Uh-huh. Welcome in, Troy. Now, just to go back through those names, welcome, Troy.

Starting point is 02:04:56 Everyone, like, we give everyone a couple of shout outs. Yeah, you must, because you forget. Join the musical stylings of John Parr. And some Fox Blood. That's right. Hang around. And Troy, if you're still in there in six years time, you will be entering into a secret second room, which is the Triple Triptych Club.

Starting point is 02:05:14 Yeah. Which we're still renovating at this stage. Yeah. But we have plenty of time. And yeah, we say the kitchen in the main area is on the fritz, but in there, it is fully functioning. We've put a lot of the budget into the kitchen in the triple trip ditch closet. Which we can't use for another six years. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:05:29 So that's a mistake on our part. It was, we are bad with planning and all sorts of stuff we're bad with. But that brings us to the end of the episode. Anything we need to sell people before we go, Jess? Let's list some of the things we're bad with. Okay. Emotions? Pleasuring.

Starting point is 02:05:43 Pleasuring. Oh, sorry. I thought weotions? Pleasuring. Pleasuring. Oh, sorry. I thought we were doing an honest thing here. You're just doing jokes. Yeah, emotions. Yeah, you're great with emotions, mate. Anyway, I think we need to tell people is that we love them.

Starting point is 02:05:57 Oh my God. Bloody hell, we love you. Especially the people listening still at this point. What are you doing with your life? You might be the only one and that's why we love you. Yep. Can you tweet me and say, I was listening. And we'll understand.

Starting point is 02:06:09 I will understand. Because this will be coming out in about three weeks time. Yep. Um, uh, that you can suggest a topic. Like we said, so many people suggested this topic. I really hope our Canadian listeners, uh, you know, we're happy with that report and you can suggest a topic. And there's a link in our show notes.

Starting point is 02:06:25 It's also on our website, which is dogoonpod.com. And you can find us on social media at dogoonpod as well. And do go on podcast on Tikitoki. Dave, boot this baby home. Hey, we'll be back next week with another episode. We will not be stopped, but until then, I'll say thank you so much for listening and goodbye! Later!

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Two In The Think Tank - 459 - Terry Fox & The Marathon of Hope

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