Two In The Think Tank - 46 - Riverdance

Episode Date: September 7, 2016

This week Jess shares a secret love she has had for 20 years - Riverdance. Baring a part of her soul, she tells the story of the origin of Riverdance and how it changed dance FOREVER. Matt eats his dinner during the episode and Dave offends Jess with his lack of respect for Riverdance. What fun! Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPod  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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You could start your new career in months, not years. Take classes online or on campus, and financial aid is available to qualified students, including the GI Bill. Now is the time, mycomputercareer.edu. Hello and welcome to DoGo on my name is Dave Warnocky and I am here with Jess Perkins. Hello Dave! Hello Jess and we are joined by the multitasking man himself. That's right, he can host a podcast and order an Indian takeaway on his mobile photo at the same time.

That is Mr. Matthew, Indian takeaway, Stuart. How did you know it was ordering Indian takeaway? Because you're very bad at multitasking. Yeah, I don't have a great poker face. No, because you're looking at your like, looking at garlic. I honestly thought it was going at me? You're like, looking at me. I honestly thought it was going to be like, and Matt, how are you?

Rogan Josh, I mean good. I mean, oh my god. You're literally going, I'm num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num num. Indian. Yeah, that's right. I'm num num. I'm num num. I'm num num. I'm num num. That's good. Well done. Well done. What are you wondering? Do you want to let the listeners? So far. I mean, I'm it's a 19 dollar minimum order. Should I do delivery? That's a weird number. It is 20 guys. It is 20. Officially. So I've gone. You know, I like round. Yeah, absolutely. 19. So far I've gone a vegetable I'm going to get rice and a garlic no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no Bees, bees, bees, bees! Can you hear that, ladies and gentlemen? We're recording this, not later night. That's right. By the time we finish it we'll be later night.

10 a.m. 10 a.m. knockoff. We're Australian. Let's perpetuate the stereotypes. No, no, we're all good people. It's a Friday night. We're breaking the serenetop. I mean, good people.

I'm underage. It's a Friday night and Dave and I both just knocked off work. Matt's been drinking all day anyway. For charity. But you are wearing a suit. Yeah, for charity. You look sharp and cheap. You're not making that up people.

Matt is wearing a suit. Yeah. And I am suit to believe impressed. Oh. Matt, why did you hit suit? I know. I was like, please don't pick me up on that. Please don't pick suit. You know he always pick me up. To believe impressed. He will always pick me up. I know I was like please don't pick me up on that please So you know he always he will always pick I am so ugly impressed would have in much better that would have made any sense at all

But I do enjoy the the name suit really who doesn't we all know a lovely suit. Oh I don't know a boy name. Oh, yeah Johnny Cash. I have a lazy Susan boy name so yeah Johnny Cash I have a lazy Susan you don't I just hate it when you lie I know and you can always tell you always see right through me yeah it's because your face goes like there's weird sort of a life face yeah that's not the opposite of a poker yeah I got screams I'm lying I'm killing them all I mean I don't have a lazy Susan, oh my god. Oh my god! Oh boy, this is off to a good start.

Alright, so $14, Matt, you're still ordering. Have it. Play with my order. Oh, you know, and the crazy, oh, it's $26. What? In court, like there's obviously some sort of, oh my god, this stage. How many stages do I need? You need to enter in some payment details, don't you like I mean just make sure you read them a loud Yeah, that's how I'm gonna enjoy that part

Just flip it over and read the bit on the back drive is less. It's not helpful. Oh I'll have a look at that. Do you just carry loose credit cards only when I'm suiting like you can't you can't hide a wallet in a suit I found put a new bra Can I make a good point? It's a good point. I feel silly now. Is this a relatively recent driver? Yeah, that is a relatively recent because that photo is excellent But also just like spot on with what you look like you know you can smile on my photos, right? I didn't know that you can smile It's funny that Matt ID looks like him. It looks funny isn't it? But interestingly, I mean what are the things that aren't on my license there? Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi from America, our listening friends. Yeah.

That was the thing. Because I was talking about it. It's a crazy list of knowledge they drop on their licenses. How do they? It fits. And also I like the idea that someone gets your license and you show up to them like,

this is new, what's your data birth? What's your hair color? How tall are you? What's this here? 6'11, well you don't look that tall, but you said it, so come on in. Come on in, you must be right. Yeah, but the other thing that it lists on their drivers license is that they're organ donors,

which makes so much more sense, because I had like a separate card until my wallet got stolen in Barcelona, and now I've lost my organ donor card, but like it would say it on their drivers license, that makes much more sense. That does make a lot more sense. God, Americans, they get it right sometimes. Occasionally they they nag with. What organs did they take? In Barcelona. They just took my wallet. The most important organ of all. Well for a lady. I think you. We love to shop.

I feel like a heart would have got more on the black market but fair enough. Yeah they took my wallet instead. But so maybe somewhere in Spain somebody is using my drive as licenses to fake idea or something. You know. What? Who knows? Oh my goodness. Yes, yes, Gyrkins. They took my small electric piano.

Me kidding. I can't look like an old good. Oh boy. I'm kidding. I can't like an organ. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, ohucker fuck I think you man, um Mini synthesizer That's what you mean, it's probably what I meant Can we start again? The pun would have been Not quite as good

If he'd told Jess that she'd had a mini synthesizer stall Not as funny, have you ordered dinner yet? We're stalling for you I'm trying to push and pay now, but it take my money Beer look honestly don't stall for me Argentina just You know that because we are one of our good friends message and said I think one of you should drink every 40 episodes. And I'm like, that's a bloody good idea. So good of an idea.

And I'm gonna make it every four or five episodes. Cheers to you, sir. For most episodes. No. No. He says, finishing a beer. Have you paid yet? I'm trying to click, play now.

Anyway, this is the video. I mean, I'll have a go. Yeah, those dainty fingers. All right, here we go. Let's do it. Come on magic fingers. Come on. Oh, I can see your ccv code. Hello. Keep that for later You see see these you've clicked save my card details. All right We never store your card details on our service. Well, that's the problem if you did we wouldn't have to My food would be a mameath by now the problem. If you did, we wouldn't have to be in the belly. My food would be in my mouth by now. There goes the beer down in the belly. The card number is in vowel, that's all. You see that? You can say that one again. For no. Because I never stuff my card up.

Me and I, I know mine off my heart. Yeah! Yeah, he's ordered dinner. Oh hang on 30 something and you managed to all the sun. I'm 30 something am I how old are you Matt 30 something there we go Well now happens next number one your order is sent to the restaurant Number two instant SMS confirmation. Hello. With delivery time. Yum yum yum. Number three. What's number three? The restaurant delivers the order to your door. Does it have number four there or can we make up our own number four? Number four, no. Number four. Bloody get it, inn ya? Did you have that? Enjoy have enjoy yourself everybody delicious time. Sorry about this. Sorry guys one sec. Hello Matt speaking No, I'm just a weird guy

Awesome That sounds great So yeah, that'll probably be with you in like 30 minutes to 45 minutes for there about. That sounds great. Any questions or feedback, anything like that? Just give us a call. Just thank you so much. I'll really appreciate that. Tell them about the skin.

No worries, we'll see you soon, now. Thanks so much mate. See ya. For the vampires and the skin. Beware vampires. Oh, you didn't tell him. That was the feedback you said. That is a lie.

Did you tell him that you were half a threw a coup d'etat? Oh, true true decor? You need food to keep the troops from coming. Why did the guy call telling you what you already knew? However, you've ordered Indian food. It's professional. Thank you. They are overly nice at the curry cafe or whatever.

It's communication. Yeah, that's why you get on menu logger so you avoid that awful call. I don't want to talk to that guy. Also, you said, nah, I'm just a weird guy. So that's good. And he went, uh, fair enough. Fair enough.

I definitely make it less awkward. Yeah, you're very natural, good in front of strangers. You should have told him you were anxious. If anyone wants to have a good time, come out and watch me order some food at a restaurant. Maybe that could be one of our activities at our live episodes is Matt Ordershoek. Matt Ordershoek. You there, you're having a nookie. You look like a nookie man. Now tell me about you, I'm so sorry. Anyway, are you

okay? I love your hair. Oh fuck, what a vibe. Just have the wedges. Honestly, can you take some money? I'm just going to home. All right, let's show me. Let's do this. I haven't explained what the show is. Mainly in Matt Hordes in Indian food and then we wrap up. That's the new concept.

My food into where, yeah. And then we wrap it up into your belly. Yeah, because you... No. No, you... That's the weirdest thing I've ever heard. This is the show where we're supposed to, anyway. One of the supposed to do a report on a topic,

and then a report back to the class. Now, it might sound like Matt Stalling, but he's not, because it's Jess's talent. It's my turn and I feel like a few weeks ago you said it feels like every week we get looser and looser. Yeah. No exception. I feel like yeah we've got a graph of it. We're definitely going up towards looseness or down towards madness. Apart from Dave's episodes. When Dave's got the reins. I don't know, he was pretty hyper. I liked the reynall. A couple weeks ago, and that was fun.

A reynall night. What? Just real question. Dave's also drinking beer, so he knows what it'll have. I've had half a beer. This is the first time I've all drunk beers on one episode. That's good. Possibly the last.

Anyway. Let's see how this goes. JP. Now, this is not from the hat. Matt, I know that will disappoint you, but it does have a different sort of backstory and I'll explain that after I've asked I'm excited. Okay. I'm excited. So Indian food off the report be honest Yeah, okay, okay. Don't answer. Don't answer. Okay. Uh, yes I think it's Indian food. I think he's more excited about the Indian food. Hey, I'm all about the report. Thanks Dave

Fuck you you Matt. Anyway. Okay so my question gentlemen. As we always start with the question, we didn't say that but yes you say. So I have a question. My question is, what was the biggest dance phenomenon of the 90s? Oh I reckon I know that. I reckon I know that already.

Do you? What do you reckon it is? Is it by a band called My Shirona? No, that's not from the 90s. Is it from... Oh! Something that sounds like My Shirona. Is it the band that we all love, Lostel Rios?

I didn't even think of that. Macarena. It's not the Macarena. Macarena, that's what I meant to say when I said My Shirona. Yeah, Macarena. Repeat the question. I did say Biggest Dance for No More No More No More. Yeah, it's not.

It's those two the bus stop Okay, that's older the worm. Okay, when I when I write these questions. I'm usually just trying to try Oh my god, is it like a see other one? Yeah, I was dancing What's that guy's name that doesn't? Antonio bandit Michael flatly is that River dance the dozen Antonio bandit Michael flatly is that a rivet it's called rivet and my sister used to have a video tape of it makes sense you just said oh no anyway honestly never thought I'd say this but please let's talk about

rivet dance see why why did you immediately go oh no because it's just so hilariously bad. Right. Disagree. Disagree. Are you ready? Ready? That's sort of a value that the music sounds like. What have you seen of River Dan? Okay.

It's like, I've seen that 90s videotape. And then I've seen the my sister got given for Christmas from Nana one year. When River Dan says edits, height. Yeah. And so. Just thinking about it now. How funny it would have been that you did a whole absurd about the macaraine.

Yeah. That's honestly what I thought and I was like, you and I. I thought that too. I'd love to know where there's two guys in the video clip on how. Because I did sort of joke that, um, just be a cheek. That was the way of lost it. That's so much. Just so much. It's just so cool. It's just so cool. Damn it. Damn it. Damn it.

This time it's... It's pretty cool. It's pretty cool. It's pretty cool. I just saw you little tummy. I can't be cool. I've never seen you belly that wonderful. Have you not?

You're a very hairless man. But you've got a smile show. Translate. You can translate it. It cost me 50 grand. Worth every penny. Matt donated the billy to her. Well, well, well, I'm so sorry.

What is going on? What happened to me? Okay. Alright, alright, alright. Okay, so I'll tell you the reason maybe that I wanted to do this. I'm gonna help him here. Okay. Alright, alright. Okay, so I'll tell you the reason maybe that I wanted to do this. So, it's funny. Please don't hate me.

No, I don't. I love it. I want to hear more. I want to be in the next hour. I want to love River Dance with that scene without seeing any examples of it. I think you might. So, okay. So the reason that I've chosen to do this is because firstly, I've had a secret love of

River Dance since I was a child. Have you done it? No. Oh, you just admire it from afar. Just admire it from afar. And the music and the dance. It's not one of the music sounds like at all. Dave, if you could explain it without, you know, too many words, how would you explain

the River Dance? Um. I would say. without, you know, too many words, how would you explain the River Dance? Blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, blu, I didn't know that. It's Irish dancing with a twist. That's pretty much exactly what it is. So, and the reason that it's been at the forefront of my mind is because at the time of recording, in a week I'm going to be leaving to go to Ireland. Forever. Forever. To join the River Dance Academy full scholarship. It's amazing.

No one in there been 20 says ever been granted something. You just called it, I just called it. You called it and they were like, oh my god someone wants to do it Your legs sound powerful. Yeah, hey if you if you got Irish heritage. Yes Then it's in your blood. You can just do it Yes, do you have opposition to using legs and arms at the same time boy doing no? Right, okay, so in a week from time of recording, I am going to be in Ireland. Oh, okay, cool.

And I thought to myself, it'd be pretty funny if River Dance is on while I'm there, and I looked it up and it is. Is that because it's on every time? No, it's not. It's on all the time. I think it's on like most summers, so yeah, probably. But. They take one day off in this Christmas.

I have purchased a ticket for the seventh of August because on the seventh of August 2013 I saw Riverdance in Dublin and so I'm going again exactly three years later to the day in Dublin in Dublin same thing to do it's not I feel like every three years of the rest of your life You've set the precedent now no matter what you doing You have to go to Dublin on August the 7th and see Riverdale. It was just kind of a weird coincidence that I was I was like I'm gonna be in the in Europe the same sort of time as I was last time as interesting when this episode going out This could be back. No, no, no, why not I'll be back. I'll be back. It'll have happened. It'll have happened

No, it's we're coming from the past. I know I'd known sooner, but I only just bought the ticket yesterday, all the day before. Anyway, it doesn't matter. So, it's very exciting for me to... So by the time you listen to this, Jess has started her Academy. I've started the Jess Perkins Academy of River Dance. It's Perkins Arish? No, Perkins is English.

Oh, they don't like that. My grandma's maiden name is Monohan. That counts. Her first name. My father's maiden that. My grandma's maiden name is Monahan. That counts. Her first name. My father's maiden name. That is like basically giving away your one of your secret answers. My grandmother's maiden name. Basically giving away your other secret answers. No reason to ask you what your first pet's name is. Hang on a second. And your password. That will save a lot more follow-up questions. Anyway, so I've had River Dance on the brain and I'm very excited and it is, well because you say it's hilariously bad. It is sort of a lame thing

to really love, but I've always loved it. So I'm self-conscious of it. So be delicate in your in your merciless teasing. I am going to be so brilliant but do you know what it is? I'd call it powerful It's a powerful art form Thank you yes Michael flatly

Flatly Flatly Flatly Flatly Flatly So I call flatly Flatly He's not Australian, you see?

He's not Australian Why would he be Australian? I'm just wondering why I know a River Dance man. Because he's quite famous. It was a very famous Irish guy. He just burned a lot of women. That's why- We might be your dad.

That's why I'd be why you know. The two things I know about Michael Fletley are one, he does River Dance and two, he has sex with lots of women. Why do I know that? I don't even know if that's a thing. Matt seems to know what it's worth. No, it's definitely a thing.

He's Dave's dad. He's Dave's dad. Yeah, and that's why I thought he was strong Well, do you know where Riverdance started? Probably it's right. It's like these pants Maribba's on fire a bit of dancing. I should've said my dancers on fire, but I put a job in a river anyway Now both good. Well, even both in and you at home can pick your favorite. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. So I can choose your own River Dance joke adventure.

Okay, probably, does it have to be Ireland, or is that dumb now? The dumb, like it's just a trick question. It's definitely Ireland, right? Are you asking where in Ireland? No, like how River Dance came about. Because it's good, it's famous origin as well. Oh, really? Is it recent? or is it now lifetime in our lifetime?

Because there there's traditional traditional Traditional Irish dancing and then this is coming out of it. Yeah when Michael flatly did he create it? No, I didn't he no. I thought it was something about him coming out of the swamp. But did he have sex with lots of women? He had sex with hates with women. That's the one fact on you. Anyway. We presume.

I mean allegedly. Allegedly. You did the River Dance. Pants dance. The River Pants dance. River Pants. They called him. Just kept a flowing.

The soundtrack to his love making. Anyway. It's like a jig. It's like a jizz. Oh no, no, no. So Michael Fletley didn't create it. No, I will talk about it in the last time. So it didn't happen in the, it created in the, it was created in the 90s. He split off. I remember he split off from someone else. There was a, there was a big company called River Dance and he split off to make else. There was a there was a big company called Riverdance and he split off to make Michael flatly something else right or something like that. Yeah, yeah, he separated from Riverdance after a while and what did that become?

Lord of the dance. Yeah, he became a Lord of the dance and he split off from Riverdance. That's yeah, that's one of the Okay, so it's I had you could have told me that it was an 18th century art form when I would have said, of course it is. Well Irish dancing dates back, I didn't even know how far back that goes, but I'm specifically talking about... I want to know the exact date, the first Irish person started dancing. Well, look it up yourself, fuckhead.

Alright, I will. Get back to you. So, 1961. No, it was early in that. Much early in that. 1950, no, earlier. 50, I did. 61. That was early. No much early. 15 earlier. 58.

Yeah, 57. I'm only going down by one year. Good. We're going to be here for a long time. Because I'll suddenly say 1912 and you'll be like later. Later. Too early. And then you got to wake you up. No, that's fair. I guess that's a good approach.

Anyway, so I'll still guessing my head. Okay. So. Failure. The year.. Okay, so. Earlier. The year was 1993. The baby bombers beat the more favorite to Kelton Blues in the AFL Grand Final. Because that's a reference point that everybody can understand. So I'll bring one up there, everyone.

The year that Tissum released their 13th studio album. That's not true. I didn't release the studio album that year. The year David and I turned three and Matt turned 112. That's right, you all busted. Wait, what? Anyways, the year was 1993 and Ireland hosted the Eurovision Song Contest. Oh, which they won many times in the 1990s. Correct.

So it was hosted in County Cork in Mill Street in Ireland and uh, uh, Nev, Councillor interjecting. I just hosted it at someone's house in Mill Street. Mill Street. Just six of Mill Street. Just popping out the back.

I've been at Cork. That's great. Now Nev, Councillor, was the winner of Eurovision for Ireland with the song In Your Eye. So Ireland won that year. They won their home year. They won in their home town. I mean that's two years in a row because they are hosting it because they won the year before. Yeah, generally speaking you...

Yes, I've seen a big party in the past. The host is the next host. Yeah. I mean give your hosting you won the previous year. In other words. Yeah, so yes, so I think they won. They did win the year before, so they would won in 1992 and they won in 1993 And what's this lady's name, and Eve? Neve Kavanaugh. Neve is N-I-A-M-H. I love the arch spelling, it's so good. N-I-M-H.

N-I-A-M-H. Anyway, so she wins and it's a huge celebration all around Ireland. They had a win on home soil, which is obviously very exciting. Yeah. But as always, the focus then turns to what they could do the next year to top the success of Ireland, that had a win on home soil, which is obviously very exciting. Yeah. But as always, the focus then turns to what they could do the next year to top the success of Milstreet and Cork. Like, the Sunnys the Olympics finish. It's always like, well, what's next?

You know, like, so it's the same sort of thing with the Eurovision. They're like, what are we going to do? Now, Leah Miller, who was the director of television programs at RTE at the time, wanted to make a bigger statement with their interval entertainment as Ireland would be hosting the competition once again the following year this time at the point theater in Dublin. Sorry I've never really watched your vision do they and people suggest we do whole episodes on it and I am open to that because it sounds like a whole thing. What I never knew that they have a show and then they stop the show

for a half-time show. It's kind of like a, no, no, no, they sort of do all the- You just had a half time act at the show. Is it interval? Yeah, so they do all the songs perform and then there's an interval act and then it goes into the judging. What happens in the interval usually? More songs? Some sort of performance.

So, before this- You've got to, they played some sort of NFL super ball games. Yeah, I just heard that. They did the opposite. Before this, there was sort of a comment that like the interval was never anything, all that remark, it was just sort of like whatever, just keep the men's tone for a little bit, right? So it was never anything all that special. He wanted to make more of it, he wanted to make more of a statement with it, and he needed someone

who had vision. So he turned to a woman called Moyer Doherty, now regarded as... That's a great artist name. She's now regarded as one of the wealthiest women in Ireland. She really is. She's a very successful woman now. What's she not rich at the time, is she trying to imply? I'm sure she had money. But she wasn't like to attend rich. Yeah, now she's one of the big dogs.

I think that Riverdance might go well for more yet. I think it might. So she had been involved in a range of successful television programs and she had a really edgy innovative outlook and wanted to create a new image for Ireland. So that's why he brought her on board. That's, I've got to say that's quite a goal. If you want to read with one TV show,

reimagine your country's position on the world stage. Yeah. And she wanted to showcase Irish music and dance, but also introduce a more modern urban and innovative kind of take on it. Like, take the tradition, but give it a twist. Like, you sort of joked before, but that's literally what they would do. Really? I hear urban, and I just imagine adding rap. And that's what they do. They rap.

Hanging out in Ireland. That's not rap. Hanging out in Ireland. That's what they do, they're wrapped. Duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, I am Irish. Did you know that the Irish can't wrap her up? I am so sorry for any Irish listeners. It looks like he's trying to be a ventriloquist doll. He's like really barely moving his mouth at all. It's creepy. It's unsettling. moving his mouth at all. It's creepy. It's unsan't what he's trying to do.

Sunsettling. Very weird. Well, let me ask, answer your criticism with a song. she just happened to be at this performance show and she saw Jean Butler who was an American-born Irish dancer. I know Butler. Performing with a guy called Colin Dunn who was an English-born Irish dancer. And she was really impressed by Jean Butler. She'd never seen her dance before but she was really blown away by her and her ability. And then out on the stage came Michael flatly oh my god he was

wearing a Spanish style outfit and he had his shirt open so it was like bare chest oh my goodness my pants just open completely unrelated you haven't worn them in a while what funny timing though What funny timing though. Morning. And so he wasn't doing like a hundred percent Irish dancing. He was kind of doing a tap. It's probably a vision. What do you think about it? Probably like 86, 87 percent Irish dancing or reckon.

He gets an exact percentage. 87. So he's doing fusion. He's just, he's dancing. Is he rapping? He's not rapping. Okay. How many's feeling it? He's American. No, he's just he could. If he could. Michael.

He's American. He's American. Fuck off. What? No, I'm here. That's it. Everyone. Sorry. This podcast has been fun. Yeah. All right. We'll have a little bit of fun

over now then, but you don't have to just come in here and tell me Michael flat. Not seriously. Boom. And he's gone. You know, you could have just walked away instead of mine walking away. I don't think so, that was an excuse for you to go to the fridge and get more beer. Now look, I'm back in. Thanks for joining us. They've told me down. Flatly's American.

Flatly's American. Flatly's American. I thought he was Australian. Well, you were very incorrect. Well, that's way we I thought he was Australian. Well, you That's way weirder. That is why? Something for some reason It's we I mean it's weirder. Lots of Irish immigrants. I mean he would have won awards here He'd be our president or something like if

Like he was Australian he would have been our Lord of the House of representatives or something. Yeah look he could have been but unfortunately flatly is American. And in the stories count it. In the stories currently dressed as a spaniard is he was saying yes right. This guy honestly is out he's lost it. Did he ever have it? Okay. He's flatly ever had it. Yes. Yes, he's had them all night. Please do go on. Oh, I don't know.

Frangible women is it, but that's nice. Are you referring to women as it, there you go? That's referring to sex as it, as people often do. Oh, no, that's fine. Doing it. Doing it. Although, if somebody came up and said, like, how do you want to do it?

You'd be like, no. I would say, is your name, Michael Flatley? And they'd say, yes, in an American accent, and I'd say, giddy up. LAUGHTER Dave, do you say giddy up before sex? With Michael Flatley, exclusively. OK, OK.

She out this, check out my chest. Mainly this V part of my chest, because obviously, some of it's covered by this shirt but Giddy up the bit that's open and then in a sharp V Okay, so if I may please so the more you're at the show she's losing it because Michael flatly is doing some sort of 86% Spanish dance and Jean Butler She's she's Jean Butler a woman Jean Butler is a woman right So Jean Butler and Michael flatlier on stage. Jean can be a man, okay. And she's, she's blown away by both of them and their performances. And this performance was what sparked Dolly's idea for what would become rivadance basically. So Jean Butler tells the story that she was in the living room with

some of their flatmates in the phone rang it. And she took the call and it was Moe Dolly asking her to perform with Michael flatlier at the Eurovision Song Contest the next year.? And she agreed and hung up and then she went back into the living room and asked her and said fuck I should say goodbye I'll do it Beeeeee Americans in movies Americans never say goodbye. Why did Americans tweet in do you say goodbye or hello? What do you just oh you just say hello? No, they do this boom molder. Okayolder. Okay, well you're talking exclusively about... The Xbox. It's a Fox Molder answer. Molder.

Okay. Not just Fox Molder or so people who remove mold. My ex-boyfriend used to say the name of the person who was calling. So if you call me like, I'll go, Dave. I love it. Do you? Unknowingly. What?

Yes. That's what it was an unknown number person unknown potential call or ID. Molder? Anyway, so she she agreed and then she goes back into the room and asks her flatmates what Eurovision is keeping mine she's American. Oh, she's like Jean Butler's also American. Yes, so she goes mind-blowing stuff. What's Eurovision and they like had to pick themselves up from laughing so hard and they were like you can't do you can't perform

With your vision that's so embarrassing and she was like like like like it's lame. Yeah Like the interval and time it's always bad and Then she'd been told it's the same else has she got going on? Well, she's obviously professionally dancing for a living, so she's doing something anyway. Cool, okay. Yeah. I suppose that Eurovision gets sort of more famous every year, so this is what the 90s is pretty cool at this stage.

And it's not like she's performing one of the songs, she's doing the interval entertainment, which is usually up into this point a little bit lame, so they're like, oh, girl, it's gonna be embarrassing. Hmm. So anyway, she goes on to do it. And do it and um don't you need that she wanted to create something that could build to an enormous crescendo both musically and visually so she brings in could bill well and stop it sorry riven ends mean so much to me can it be it's a doing at this stage there's two people dancing You've never seen it! Well, I saw that 90's video.

I've seen two people crescendo before. Please do go and know I am excited to hear how we're gonna get there. It's like I open up to you and you just crush my soul. Dave. I did not mean to, I really did not mean to flatly your soul. Oh, that's not good. No, I don't think. That's kinda good to give to the live. Dave, Dave. Alright, I won't make fun anymore. It's, but it is, it's,. Oh, that's not good. No, I don't think it's good. That's kind of a gift of life.

There you go, Dave. Alright, I won't make fun anymore. It's been a... You can make fun! It is genuinely hard to not laugh when I hear people taking something like dance seriously. Well, I mean, you've never obviously watched it and been so moved by it, because when she said that, I was like, oh, totally. Well, you nailed it, because it does build to a crescendo both musically and visually.

I'm always open to be. God, dance fully. Dance fully. Dance fully. It really just flat lines.cendo both musically and visually. I'm always open to be hard dancefully. Dancefully, it really just flat lines. It's just flatly lines. Okay, so she wants it to build up. She wants to really make something that's impressive. So she brings on Bill Wellen, he was a composer, and he used, you'll love this, he used the life of the river as his motif for the music.

That's a great idea. So that's where sort of River Dance came about. So the river is his motif? The river is kind of like the foundation of the idea. So until the very end of the piece he didn't use traditionally used rhythmic forms for dance, he used split rhythms which were more common in jazz or Eastern European music. Sorry. You guys do go on, isn't it? Sorry, you guys do go, what is it? No, you guys keep going, please.

I'm going to get some... You guys keep going. You're out there, Matt? All right, so Matt's collected his energy and take away. Dave's Googling Michael Flatley. Describe Michael Flatley's looks to us. All right, so there's the face Okay, you got your classic. He looks like a man like as I've got images of him now. He looks like a man who

Refuses to admit that he's aging He's got like blonde tips and like he's probably had plastic surgery. He definitely has, I'm sure he has. One of those, that's all man! He's just so heavy! Oh no, the microleads got coughed are all over him. Oh, it's probably me! This episode is fucked! This will live the pet's living. Maddie, Maddie, Maddie, looking into the eyes of Michael.

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What was the word for the rhythm? Sorry, I tried to discover. Interesting. The split rhythms, that what you mean? Yes, split rhythm, right? So a split rhythm, which is more commonly used in jazz or Eastern European music Now this guy that I found his name is Dr. John Coolanen. I'm so sorry to any Irish listeners. I even wrote these out phonetically so I pronounce them right. I hope I'm saying it correctly Call him Dr. Cool. Dr. Cool. You will love this because Dr. Cool is an Irish dance historian and dance master because Dr. Cool is an Irish dance historian and dance master.

Oh, is he a doctor? Is he master cool? He's a bit of everything. So he described the origins of Irish dancing as having evolved from a social aspect. So for example, performances were in the small kitchen or on top of a barrel. What? What? What?

What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? It was a small barrel inside, a small kitchen. What's that? That is our dance barrel.

I'm hoping it's a big barrel, like a big kick or something. Anyway, so this is why the movements were constrained and arms were by the side and the body was straight. Alright, because the kitchen has no room. Because you don't have a lot of space. There's a cabinet there. I just want to avoid the kitchen cabinet. Right, it's so great. So, River Dance has changed in the rhythm of the music, men that the style of dance also changed.

So, a couple of the dancers in interviews described it as forcing you to dance better, to be sharper and more in tune with the music. And if you're killing me here. I just want one of people to take something seriously. So, it's very funny. I never do that with anything in my life. Well, if you watched River Dance, I'm going to show you a clip later. It's going to change your fucking life. Anyway, so the ability and the freedom to move your arms and your hips made it, they just go to like it was more sexy, it was more free. Sorry, I just, I'll just stop you right there. And of course you will. And just be like, do they not notice that for, they feel like they're creating something completely new because they're adding in arms, but it's 1993.

Humans have been dancing with their arms for thousands of years. I would love to see you dance. I remember, I mean, Michael Jackson's already done the fucking moon walk and they're like, thousands of years I would love to see you dance I Mean Michael Jackson's already done the fucking moon walk and they're like yeah, you're adding arms and it is pretty special Matt who's how do you on? Mat eating what who's how do you on I'm on the side of the custer? No, but I was like oh Jess, oh come on. I'm just describing what they're saying. I'm on Jessal's side. I'm not laughing at you.

I'm on Jessal's side here. Yeah, but they're also beautiful artists. And people would say, why would you take comedy so serious? I'm sorry, but I don't. But I don't. It is, it is interesting when Dave says, the moonwalks are always already there. It's like, give up.

Give up. Give up islands. They're moonwalks. We've clocked dead, see. Yeah, they've jumped the shark in reverse. Yeah, they're very well. We've clocked dancing. Yeah, they've jumped the shark in reverse. Yeah, sure. In slippers. Okay, I do understand.

And of all the art forms, dance has got to be the lowest. Let's be honest. Mine. Mine. No. Fuck off. Mine. Dance got it is better than mine.

Did you see Dr. Brown show? Fuck, that was incredible. Have you seen River Dance? Fuck, that's incredible see Dr. Brown show fuck that was incredible? Have you seen River dance? Fuck that's incredible Dr. Brown shows clowning in silence morning Maybe can I go on please do go on? So they've been rehearsing and and we get to Eurovision 1994. Sorry musicals Musicals where where does that sit on the scale lower than dance? Really, but they're doing two things at once somehow it's worse interesting okay you

gonna controversial opinion Matthews moves the mic back to his mouth he's ready the song will come out tomorrow Tomorrow, bet your bottom dollar, bet tomorrow Every note is just a Mal and the coffin. Take my finger and I'm back tomorrow. Does somebody smell wet dog? Is that a line? Does somebody smell wet dog? So the lion try and finally moves the microphone away from him to get back to his dinner. Good.

Please keep going on. So you're having a reinventing art? Fuck you. Eurovision, 1994. The stage at Eurovision wasn't designed for Irish dance, but like it didn't have to be. It wasn't a kitchen. You? Okay.

Come on, that's pretty fun. That's pretty fun. It wasn't a barrel, it wasn't a kitchen. It wasn't a kitchen You okay Come on, that's pretty fun. That's pretty fun. It wasn't a barrel. It wasn't a kitchen It was a 20 meter by 20 meter stage. It was an actual stage. Yeah, well obviously it didn't have to be designed for our Stancing because it was just an interval act don't mind Matt just getting his garlic. Nine out. You good? It's just an interval act. What do you mean? I mean like well when I say the stage wasn't designed for it Of course, I'm not to design the whole stage around one interval act. A bit more your doughty was like, what do you mean you haven't designed to run my five minute up to? She probably was. She wanted actual water running underneath her perspix.

Oh, love people. It's great. It's so good. So the dancers found that it was the stage is quite slippery. Made them sort of difficult because Irish dancing really requires a sprung floor. so good. So the dances found that it was the stage is quite slippery made them sort of difficult because Irish dancing really requires a sprung floor and every time they rehearse they'd mark the stage floor. So eventually a stage hand had the idea to put duct tape on the souls of their shoes and then they used keys or sharp objects to score the duct tape to give their shoes more grip.

Sorry what? I just explained it quite clearly. But rather than buying new pair of shoes they just put duct tape on. No, there's than buying new pair of shoes, they just put duck boots on. No, there's nothing wrong with their shoes, it's the stage. The stage is too slippery for them. Right. What do you want them to go change into some fucking work boots? Well, yeah. I made a...

I have some sneakers. Just over my tack on your Nike's for the fucking lip-a-dance. Well, they would have created that thing from the Olympics opening ceremony. What's that? What? Stomp. Stomp. for the fucking liver dance. They would have created that thing from the Olympics opening ceremony. What's that? What? Stomp, stomp. Yes, stomp.

Stomp, stomp. Stomp, do that for you, Slater. Stomp, are you thinking of... If you're talking about reinventing dance now, that. Stomp, I remember the Sydney Olympics, which... That's not stomp. What's that? That's boot men.

Oh, sorry. Sorry, there's just so many artists in the world. Ah! Yeah! I can't tell if Matt wasn't eating if he'd be on my side of the world. I really don't know either. Who's side would you be on? Alright, can we briefly sum up Jess, your side and...

My side of the room dance is cool. Dave's is... The room dance is not cool. That's Dave's side. So you're saying the room dance is not cool? No, no, no. I would like to shut up my Can you sum up your song with the song please? No, please come on just to rebut with the song. I'm not rebutting with a song

Can I please go on? Matt you gonna pick a side? I'm gonna choose Jess because she She wouldn't like there was something about the fact that she would not sing a song To defend herself and I was a some pure about that which is I can't explain it, but I believed in it It's interesting because I will so often break into someone Except when you ask me to that's how I think that's how I said you are

me too. That's how I think that's how sad you are about me. Yeah. Begging out dance. I'm so sorry. Anyway, so I got slippery shoes. Right, but they've duct taped the issues. They've duct taped the issues. And they've scored the duct tape. They were rehearsing everything's going fine. However, there were some concerns being raised about the nationality of the two leads because both Jane Butler and Michael flatly were American. Now they were both born in America to Irish parents, they're both first generation American. And they're not like competing for Ireland, but so it's certainly a half-time token to have any nationality. Yeah, but the concern was that the performance was supposed to be the celebration of Irish culture, music and dance, but American leads. Right? That is pretty

fair to be honest. Now those concerns were pretty quickly put to rest though, when those who were protesting, not protesting, but those who had raised the concerns were shot. No, that's when they saw them rehearsing and realized that flatly in Butler were the perfect people for the roles. Nobody was shot. Jesus. Even other performers say of course they would have loved to have been like that. I disagree. Michael flatly was shot to start him. And he's back! Stuart's back. I just wanted to pick you on one little point there, just. Of course you do. So the protest was when they saw how good he was.

So it was like they were protesting and then Michael flatly said, let me answer your questions in the form of a dance, a river dance. He did it and they just went, you know what, I don't care where you're from, you could be from Equatorial Guinea, you could be from Cambodia, you could be from Mars, but you can dance for Ireland. Am I paraphrasing? No, that was verbatim. Thank you. Right, so even though the performers say, of course, they would have loved to have been the star of the show, but the Gina Michael were the right people for the parts, because they were

very talented performers, and the two of them together choreographed the performance. So Gina Butler and Michael Fletley choreographed it. Oh, themselves. Well, that is commendable. There's a whole, like, there's a, there's a troupe of them, and I actually don't remember exactly how many people were performing in that first, that first show, but there's a troupe of them, but they're the main two now another thing that caused a bit of fuss with that the taps were pre-recorded so the tap

sounds of their shoes now there's a reason for this and sort of part of the reason somebody said part of the reason that is not I don't give a fuck what the reason is I don't give a fuck what the reason is I draw the line right there your pure Dave I'm back in the book with you. You're Michael flatly can fuck off I don't care where they pre-recorded it because he had duct tape on his shoes. I don't care I'll I will stand up to any god damn America about this you'll stand up to America Stand up to America about this because that's where this whole bloody problem came from.

Honestly, send America over. I'll stand up to them. I didn't realize this was an American problem. The flatly scenario, it's all America. I don't have a new either. I didn't know this, but I tell you what, I'm not happy about it. Send them to me. Send Ohio. Send Ohio. Send, send Ohio. Send, who else you got there?

Michigan, they can get here as well. Who else we got? New Mexico. New Mexico, get him here. Texas. Texas, put him on my doorstep. I wanna say him right now, please. Who else have we got?

North Dakota. North Dakota, South Dakota. Both here, please, thank you very much. Who else we got? Please stop. Okay. I will. We're gonna name 50 states here guys Mainly Ohio they're the main ones I've got trouble with and I just want to say them because I like them Oh, okay. Well that took a turn to be honest Part of me was like I'm angry with you, but mainly it's just gonna want to catch up with you bloody rough against you good I'm angry with you, but mainly it's just going to want to catch up with your bloody rough against your good, your funny alaqia, Ohio, because silly sausages.

Is this one of those situations where you want us to bail you out of a vent? Yeah, if you could, just get me out of here. I'm just going to keep going with my report. Great, so the taps were pre-recorded, but the reason for that is that it gets drowned out in the music, and because the taps form the main rhythm of the performance, of the music, they need to be able to be heard. But Jean Butler's, the way she sort of explained it, was like, it's not like they could slack off in the performance.

They still had to be exactly in time and do everything perfectly. And it's like they could hear the taps, you know, that well. So they were still performing perfectly. And they're still tapping, but they just... Why don't they just mic them up? Which I think is sort of more what they do now, or they mic the stage is better. But this is in 1993,

and this is the first time they've done anything like... Right. This Irish dancing on such a big scale. So I'm not really sure if it is still pre-recorded or if they're mic'd now. You can just keep the mic in front of you now, Matt. Were they doing the dance on a scale? Yeah. On a scale? Because I liked Matt. Were they doing the dance on a scale? Yeah.

On a scale. Because I liked it before when they were doing it on a, what were they doing on a, on a keg? Yeah, they don't know. Keg in a kitchen. Because I, I kind of like the scale thing. Because you can, then you can, you can, you can measure the weight of their performance.

Can you ever wish in the mate of a... You ever wager the mate? I don't think you can. You've all been honest with each other as you can't. I know you should be able to be your count. You can never wager the mate. It's just one of those things. You try your hardest, but...

Man, I was really mad at you both, but I really put my back around. Look, we all want to wedge with a mate. These bees are good, don't they? Love this non-alcoholic bee, eh? Oh, what? Anyway, so... Taps are pre-recorded.

Taps are pre-recorded. But Jane has justified it. Jane's justified it. They also wanted to get rid of the costume. Now when you picture Irish dancing, do you picture the really like, usually a bright color, and the panel at the front with lots of Celtic design?

What they look like is gymnastics gone wrong. Correct. No, gymnastics gone wrong. Okay, depending on your opinion. Like they wear leotards pretty much. A lot of Celtic crosses. The lady dance. Celtic plants. We love leotards. much. A lot of Celtic crosses. The lady dance. Celtic plats.

A lot of leotards. And then those weird fake curly hairs. Yeah, maybe in like a long, generally like a long sleeve dress, it's usually a bright color. The panel at the front would have- Is there a leotard? Really Celtic, colorful, or- Sorry, I'm thinking of gymnastics. You're thinking of gymnastics.

Just gone wrong. So, is gymnastics that you hate or still, is it still dancing? Oh no, gymnastics is an art form. Okay, I just can't read you. It's very infusing. Gymnastics is incredible. I cannot read you at all. Okay. More. You like gymnastics. What do you think of gyms mowing? I'm all over it. Now that is an art form. Okay. That's in the top three. It goes painting, theater, gyms mowing. goes painting, theater, gyms, mowing, there, I'm back on board with Dave's one of you. So this brings us to the performance, the big night, okay? It's your vision, the year's 1994.

What else is that? Only for an only thought. It's 1994, because it's a year after. Don't question me. Sometimes I wonder if Dave's even listening. He's never listening. Anyway. I'm off if Dave's even listening. He's never listening. Anyway. I'm off with a bit of theories. How many people do you think were watching your

revision on TV? Oh, it's big deal, but not even. 17 billion. How many billion? Approximately 100 million. Dave, can you tell us how many people live in the world? What about so many humans exist? About seven billion. Okay, well I reckon 17 billion was too many. No, that was multiple TV. This was in 1994 though.

Yeah, how many? How many then? About 17 billion. 17 billion. Yeah, sorry. And we lost 10 billion in the last 20 years. Yeah, it sounds. Jesus.

Yeah, it's not good. Okay, due to old age, it was Jesus. Yeah, it's not good. Okay. Due to all day, it was fun. It's a kids' and billion. I'm gonna say, one billion, one point, one and a half billion. Well, that would be the most broadcast ever, wouldn't it? Yeah, that's what I'm trying to do.

I'm gonna say 100 million, yes. 300 million. Wow. Say 300 million people have tuned in to what the Eurovision Song Contest contest I'm gonna say two billion and the twenty-fifth and final song had been performed and the performers were getting ready the the um... revidences were getting ready to take their place on the stage for the interval act also said I just want to recap how it works so

you do twenty-five songs oh sorry don't worry about it. Okay okay okay go go sure yep they did the songs and then they have an act and then they just do their voting. Oh I don't know if that's still the structure I've no I don't want your vision but that's how it happened this time. I'm happy to accept that it's an answer. Right. One more question no. No um Jane Butler hadn't worn her costume for the rehearsal, because she didn't want to ruin it. Possibly a fatal mistake to not wear it to the rehearsal, because one of us too small. Mmm, or too big.

Oh no! With about 10 minutes before she was due on stage, she approached the costume design with a problem. The off the shoulder style of the dress, which is already a little bit controversial, a little bit different, bit sexy, It was just slipping right off it. Should I tell you that all of a sudden, she was like, I really like it now. Just leave out there for a few minutes, mate. Anyway.

So you've got a problem. You've got a problem, so it's... It's off the show. There's nothing a few safety pins can't fix. So genuine on stage with pins, nuts and a lot of mental pleading holding your dress up. They're like come on cross fingers, come on, be okay. So you go down stage. Now the next seven minutes you're gonna rip this sentence to shreds. Oh okay I will let you finish it before I jump in. That's putting his mic as far away as possible.

I am ready to bounce. Okay, the next seven minutes. I've already laughed. Change to the face of Irish dancing. I did fact dancing in general. Oh, God. Look, I'm going to tell you, when we crossed open into the 21st century, we were all thinking about where we were on that day in 1994.

But that's Jake Brimble. The moonwalk in Faka, the Charleston, you're fucking gone. Paul rim dancing up yours We got a new one any's name Michael That was really when I wrote that I was like this is gonna be a mic drop moment You you're paraphrasing someone else's words. I don I thought that- Is there anything changes at all because of that? Yeah, dance. Oh, you're up, you have to go dance. As the sentence suggested. I'm not sure that is there any influence on broader dance.

What do you know about dance? To be able to then comment. To be honest, I know absolutely zero about dance. Yeah, so then how about you shut your hairy mouth and let me go on with my report. Come on Mad Pit respect. So the performance went off without a hitch. For seven minutes. Seven minutes. And it was met with a standing ovation from the three thousand people in the audience. Standing ovation. And just remember every one of those. For every one of those audience members, there's one hundred thousand people watching at home. Exactly.

That's pretty incredible. I'm so into the ring at their TV. And it was actually hugely successful. So this is so funny. An audio recording of River Dan's entered the Irish single chart at number one. An audio recording of Dan's. An audio recording of the standing of the switch.

Which is like, that's the sound of joint sort of, it's the sound of ankels and knees bending. No, there's music as well, mate. They're dancing to music. That's fine as well. So the recording of the music went to number one, and it remained there throughout the summer. It eventually totalled a record 18 weeks at number one. It kept wet, wet, wet, love is all around off the top spot.

So we're talking at four weddings in a funeral era Yeah, I've got to say 18 weeks at number one is pretty big right so like it was it was hugely successful Yeah, the cause involved no, okay Okay. Now after Eurovision, my adult-eino husband John McColgan decided to reduce and direct a stage show expanding the Eurovision piece and they asked Bill Wellan to compose a full score for their show. So they're doing a whole show now. You're gonna need a bigger river Bill. We're gonna get a bigger river. That's what he said. In November of 1994, tickets were sold in Dublin for the first full-length performance of

River Dance, which opened at the point theatre where they had performed a part of Eurovision. It opened on the 9th of February 1995 and the show ran for five weeks and was a sell-out with ticket sales over 120,000. Wow. It started the original lead dances from the Eurovision performance and many of the dance troupe featured who had danced at Eurovision. Also, the main's are the Agenan Michael Flaherley. Yeah. They also performed on the 8th of May 95, they performed at the Royal Gala 50th anniversary of VEED a celebrations at the special invitation of Prince Charles. It's interesting that such a famous Irish cultural phenomenon was

fronted by two Americans. I had no idea about that. That's the biggest thing I'm taking out of this. Right, well he's taken out of this. Longer flatly he's American. Yes. He's got an American accent. He's like from our hire or something. That is incredible to me. So this performance of the Royal Gallery attracted a television audience of 20 million people. So it didn't pretty well. Population of Australia. So they continue to just like tour around and they're doing they're doing amazing things. In June of 95, River Dance opened at the Apollo in London for a sellout four week run on the 17th of July in 95, River Dance performed at the Royal College of Music

in the presence of Queen Elizabeth and the Queen Mother and Princess Margaret. Oh, Queen Mom, miss that. So they're just performing for Royal to left, right in center. They haven't a great time. Um, the show returned to the point theater in Dublin for another six weeks sellout run before returning again

to the Apollo in October, for another six weeks sellout run before returning again to the Apollo in October Which again was a sellout and had to be extended from six weeks to 19 weeks Is this where more? Edo it is one of the richest people she's like she's made bank And over the 19 weeks the show made a box office record of a hundred and fifty one sold out shows That's pretty amazing 151 sold out shows. That's pretty amazing. 151. 151 sold out shows. I need to those has like 5,000 people watching something. Really? That's crazy.

That's pretty amazing, isn't it? I mean I have no idea but it sounds like a lot of people. Yeah, it's a lot of people. I still can't believe that one day Michael flatly changed the face of dance forever. River dance, dude. Let's not give him all the credit. I just can't get my head around it. It's speaking of your main. Yes. Despite the show's growing success, cracks were beginning to appear. Not in that face because he's had surgery. Not in that face. In the relationship between the producers and Michael Flatley. So he had choreographed many of the numbers in the show, but after the show took off, salary and royalty fees

became a big heated topic. And tempers also flaired all the time over creative disputes. And the producers parted away with flatly. Only 21 hours before the show was set to open for their second run in London in October. He left. He left 21 hours before.

Do you feel that there's parallels between River Dance and Us? We're always debating over the millions of royalties that I'm getting and not passing under either of you I'm clearly the most talented, but you don't appreciate my skills. Exactly Matt It's Indian on the show and doesn't get fired somehow It's just insane Now to make matters worse fellow lead dancer Jean Butler turned up days before the second London show with her leg in a cast.

I think about it to say drunk, that's even worse. No, she's on crutches, she's unable to perform. Her leg was in the cast of Cats. I'm sorry, my left leg has been cut some cats. That's quite funny. That is funny Matt. That's like his been gusting cats. That's quite funny. That is. That is funny Matt. That's funny Matt. Okay.

Now the biggest laugh cats had for years. Oh my god. So they're a little bit stuff. The two lead dancers are a gone, right? However, nine time world Irish dancing champion Colin Dunn, who had recently been hired by Revenants to choreograph a few of the numbers, he was appointed male lead on short notice and he was accompanied by Eileen Martin. She was one of the original Eurovision contest troops, so one of the original dancers from

that show. She sort of knew all of Jane's parts, so she stepped up as the lead. Oh, okay, I'm just starting to think it'll... Well, it's suspicious here. Ah, jeans, leg tents, up broken, and then now this girl's like, Oh, I know her parts. I also know her address. And what happened on that faithful mind? And jeans like, I'm right here, anyway.

I just slipped in the shower. I'll be fine in six weeks. Yeah, and I coated that chair with a wheel. No, you'd be very creepy. With black oil. I know all the parts. Every last one. Well, now I feel weird because they did a very good job.

Oh, they were fine. They were fine. She did a great job. And Colin Dunn was made the new full-time male lead. And Eileen Martin became Jean Butler's principal understudy. So she was the backup. That was her job, okay. Yeah. Not an creepy way, just as like second best. Second best, still, still, but if anything happens to Jane, you get to be the star, but only if something awful happens to Jane,

okay? Oh, and repeatedly awful things keep happening to Jane, you get to be the star, but only if something awful happens to Jane, okay? Oh, and repeatedly awful things keep happening to Jane. Yeah, it's strange. So with Colin Dunn at the helm now, River Dance returned to the prestigious Royal Variety Performance in London in the presence of Queen Elizabeth again and Prince Philip. And it starred... Oh, that poor woman. Colin Dunn. How many hours of River Dance is she been?

Not enough. There's no such thing as too many Oh every three years How many hours is a ribbon answer I go for like two maybe no not even probably two that's not to that's not No, no, no,. No! That's vaguely Irish dancing though. No, it's not. You're doing like a weird Irish jig. That's not the same sort of music I'd use to. That's what they used to.

No! It's more powerful than that, Dave. Thank you, Matt. No. Matt, come on. You're thinking of people like, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh. Just doing a little jig. That's not what Irish dancing is.

You just moved your arms, and there was no arms in Irish dancing. Well, there is in River Dance. Mate. Oh, sorry. I forgot. That's one of the key fundamental differences. Okay. Well, I was going to talk about one of the most famous, not most famous, but one of the pieces. But I'm not going to now, you've missed your chance. No, please tell me about the piece.

I'm not talking about it. You could win it me over. I doubt that. The people at home are screaming out for it, Jess. In my head, River Dance, it's a lot of percussion, right? Mmm. I'm like, no, I'm thinking stomp on it. Is there live music?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the band is playing live? Oh, quite often they're on the stage. Okay, that's interesting. It's amazing to watch actually. Do your thing, I'm gonna add a layer of percussion. Okay, let's see if we can... This is it. Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo dooboo That's their third number, that's their third song. Thank you. Thank you for in practicing and we met. Well done. So sorry. Now tell us about the famous number.

I don't think I want to. Are you deserved it? Everyone at home is screaming out for it. Well what I was going to say is that Colin Dunn, choreographed a piece called Trading Taps and he performed it with Yes, of course they are And I know what trading taps is without even hearing it do you tell me what training Flatley squint these drain taps on our long trading taps is good. I love it I love a trading I love a trading solo or a trade. Anything where you got two guys or two performers out the front and one of them's going,

a dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, and then they all goes, oh yeah, how about this? A dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, dip, story. There's like, generally, it's like three American guys and a saxophone player. I'm doing classic, like, loose jazz style of dance. And then these Irish blocks turn up and they're like, look at these ideas. They're jazz dancing. They're like a baker's street. their jazz dancing. Like a Baker Street. So then they've got somebody playing the fiddle and they like they take turns like and they're taking the piss of each other's dance moves and eventually they'll become friends

and they dance together. And what's the style that they adopt in the long run? It's kind of like a it's a fusion. It's a fusion of both. Baker Street meets Julling Badgers. It's beautiful. I'll show you. It's great.

Anyway. So they performed that. There's nothing better in the whole world than dance battles, like theater dance battles where someone's like, yeah, and you know that false provada where they throw their hands, oh yeah, what do you go? And then they go, tippity tippity tippity tapp.

Yeah, oh, that's pretty good. Well, what about this? Tippity tippity tapp. that's pretty good what about this tippity tippity tap that's good too but check this out tippity tippity tap tap tap tap tap tap he just crossed his arm and looked like what he can do about it that is musical emotion sassiness great like big sassiness big sass anyway back to River Dance the topic that we're talking about vaguely yeah Ruudance are still performing today obviously because by the time this is out I've already been of course three times my life

I also went in Melbourne one time when I was a kid anyway, um, and did you love it then? I loved it then it was the best dad and I went it was awesome. What did your dad think? Oh dad loves it. Busy. It's very good Dave What's but okay? I don't want to be rude about it, but it's two else at the same thing. It's not the same thing. It's not the same thing. It's not though.

Over and over again. It's not the same dance. It's like, oh, you can dance, great, what else can you do? That is kind of everything. Yeah, what have you been going to your cute little comedy show? Yeah, but why it's an hour of good. Oh, you can make almost funny jokes. Yeah, but it's an hour of good. Oh, you can make almost funny jokes. Yeah, but it's an hour of good.

Does that make sense? So what's, so what's rividence then? It's five minutes of good and then two hours of good. No, five minutes of, oh yeah. And then stretched out of two hours. Incorrect. Sorry. It's an hour, it's two hours of good.

However long it goes for, it's good. The beauty of Dave's shows are, they only get for about 50 minutes. Yeah and then you can get this fuck out of there. And that's sweet release. You get 10 bonus minutes. That's right. If you come to my show, you pay for an hour, but I only deliver 50.

So those 10 minutes are yours. Free time at the end. Enjoy yourself. Have one on me. Have one. Yeah, your show's a great day. I'd recommend you on a seared Dave show if you have your other chance.

I wouldn't fuck Dave's shows. I mean fuck Dave's show, sure. Well, keep it eye out for the Melbourne International County Festival 2017. Dave want to keep in rivetance spectacular. I'm not sure if you've any, if you deserve the fun facts today. Oh, come on. This is the part that will win me over.

I'm so close to loving rivetance. I feel like I'm closer. Do you want the fun? I love the fun. All right, how about I don't say anything Dave? Could you shut the fuck up for two seconds? So sorry. So in May of 1989 Michael Fately said a Guinness Book World record for tapping speed at 28 taps per second and what subsequently broke his own record broke his own record in 998 with 35 taps per second all right nothing funny about that that's just 35 That is the most impressive thing I've ever heard of ever that's 2,100 taps per minute I hope that's true, but it's not like it could be 28 taps per minute because that's incredible. I just love it. Every two seconds, it doesn't tap every second.

And then two seconds per minute, he takes the whole thing off. Oh yeah, I have a rest on the 30th and the 60th second per minute. 35 taps per second. Like if I do this, how many is that? That's true. It's correct, that's true. What? Oh, that is true. What?

Oh, that is the most impressive thing in the history of everything. Okay. 35 taps per second. I'm genuinely blown away as well. That is ridiculous. So amazing. That is not possible. Does that bring you around a little bit to a river dance?

Yeah. Seriously, that is honestly so impressive. I cannot figure out what that even means. Now I don't even want to read the rest of them because that was probably the best one. Okay, it's not some fun about that. No. That is too good for fun. And since then, since I'm just going to go to my last fun fact because I can't talk

that one. I give it some all. Just speed through them. 35 second please I'm in December of two I mean I can't even my fingers I can do about two How many is that? Maybe three per second

It's a fucking ridiculous, but with your feet. I'm gonna kill myself What's the point? I don't know what the point is. I thought the point was to find something that you enjoyed and embrace it, but now I feel... And you took away my will to live. You happy? No, Dave took away mine. Well, I'm still going strong.

I'm feeling great, everybody. Because I... Don't kill yourself, everybody. Who cares? I've dedicated myself to an art form that matters. Nothing that you like. Comedy. That's right. Comedy is really important. You say dedicated. Nobody will ever appreciate nothing

that you're passionate about. Thank you, dedicated. Do go on, Jess. Okay, what all I wanted to say was that the show has visited over 450 venues worldwide and has been seen by over 25 million people, making it one of the most successful dance productions in the world Naman of the dance That would be a challenge

35th taps per second Okay, well, I'm sorry. I've got no answer to that. It's kind of like that's like the checkmate of this whole scenario and that gentleman is my rapport on revenge I will generally watch a Revenance concert with you. Right. I'll give it a go. I'll sit there. I won't bag it. Yeah, look forward to it. It's going to be super fun. I'll try and enjoy it. I've never seen Jess the Spirit be broken before.

She's got such a big spirit. They've had to break Jess. Head. Oh God. Head, such a big spirit. Anyway, had you break Jess? Had. Oh God. Had such a big spirit. Anyway, wrap it up. Let's go. Come on. Let's go. Oh my God. What was the wrong mat? I don't even know. I'm quite drunk.

You are. But I'm having a good time, but Jess has broken my heart. You've been pretty funny, but I mean Jess is hard. So Jess, I find it hard to take anything seriously in this life and dance the hardest thing of all. Is that a five tap spare second? Yeah, a 25 tap spare second. That is good. I don't want to end on a down note,

so I'm just going to pretend to be happy. Just to listen to a second. That is good. I don't want to end on a down note so I'm just going to pretend to be happy Just to listen to sake. I'm gonna ask Matt to write his Indie to me about five. Oh yeah, if you think it's good. Let's bring it back to some food We'll do a shout out. I mean you know when you you know when you've drunk too much. Oh, yeah, and then you'll eat too much Oh, yeah, yeah, that's where I am. Oh, you tap too much. No such thing It feels like it's tapping 35 times first. Yeah. But anyway, I'm having a good time.

Apart from Jess's heartbeam broken by this fucking... ...jerk of it. Look, I feel like if you hadn't been eating, you would have been right there with me. It just looks bad for me because you were silent for the brutal 10 minutes where I was ripping about dance. And now it looks like I'm a bad guy, but I know you were thinking, yeah, dance is pretty silly. To be honest, Dave, I would not have been there with you at all. And maybe with this whole buddy, sorry, instead of affairs could have been avoided because I would have been there.

Shoulder to shoulder with Jess. defensive dance because more than anything I Love to dance and old dance you out of this fucking room Right now if you give me just a moment take your headphones off you piece of shit Yeah, all right. Yeah, good. All right. They're off. Yeah, let's do it Stand up, all right. I'm standing Can we probably should finish up the Putter Something like you've seen me dance before right? Oh, it's amazing. Here's a fun fact

Self-taught get out now. I don't believe that for a second. Yeah Now you're lying you've had lessons you think classically chain. I've seen you do so you don't like to the best of them Self-taught a lot of that is just feeling? No, you're right. That's what it is. And the rest of it is YouTube. Why were you two step by step? Well, the rest of it is alcohol.

I mean, the meat sure did the alcohol involved as well. I mean, if you're going to be technical about it for Jesus. Well, ladies and gentlemen, I don't know where you're going to take away from this. Maybe you're on team dance or maybe you're on team day. I'm not saying anything, and if you're Irish, I'm sorry, I tried. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for listening. I don't know of you.

Our team dance, hashtag Jess team dance, hashtag team Dave. What? If you're on my side. And you also think that dance is a little silly. But you can get in contact with us at any time, anywhere in the world. And if I'd said that in 1990, would've blown your mind, but you live in 2016, so you know that anything is like that.

It's very doable. You can email us, do go on pod.gmar.com, suggest a topic at do go on pod on Twitter, facebook.com. So let's do go on pod and you can get in contact anytime, like I say, with a suggestion for a topic to go into Matt's hat or the podcast hat that Matt likes to don and I will be back next week with one of those things if you want to share this podcast around or give us a review on iTunes or whatever you used to download this podcast that is always most appreciated but until then I will rip it down I'll say goodbye. I just really sorry about Dave. It's cool.

Let's go hang out. Let's fuck Dave off. Yeah, let's fuck Dave. Light is Dave. You piece of shit. Bye. I regret nothing. This episode is brought to you by Progressive. Most of you aren't just listening right now.

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