Do Go On - 463 - Australian Bushranger Moondyne Joe

Episode Date: September 4, 2024

Moondyne Joe is Western Australia's most famous Bushranger, but as first time guest Angus Gordon tells us, he is more famous for his jail escapes than his bush ranging!Note: Angus was raw dogging this report and let us know he got a couple of names wrong: the convict he called Simon Levey was actually named Solomon and the Governor of Swan River was Hampton not Hudson.This is a comedy/history podcast, the report begins at approximately 04:46 (though as always, we go off on tangents throughout the report).Support the show and get bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodSupport the show on Apple podcasts and get bonus eps in the app: http://apple.co/dogoon Live show tickets: https://dogoonpod.com/live-shows/ Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/suggest-a-topic/  Check out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Who Knew It with Matt Stewart: https://play.acast.com/s/who-knew-it-with-matt-stewart/ Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasDo Go On acknowledges the traditional owners of the land we record on, the Wurundjeri people, in the Kulin nation. We pay our respects to elders, past and present.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Melbourne and Canada, we got exciting news for you. And we should also say this is 2026. Jess, what year is it? 2026. Thank God you're here. Right now, I'm in Melbourne doing my show with Serenji Amarna 630 each night at the Cooper's Inn Hotel, having so much fun. We'd love to see you there. Canada, we are visiting you in September this year.

If you've somehow missed the news, we are heading up Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal and Toronto for shows. That's going to be so much fun. Tickets for all this stuff, I believe, are online. And I'm here too. Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dev Warnikey and as always I'm here with Matt Stewart. Hello Matt. Hey Dave, how's it going?

Well, thank you. A quick question for you. How good is it to be alive? Well, don't ask me. Ask our special guest this week. Please welcome to the show, Angus Gordon. Oh, hello everyone. Thank you.

Angus, what a pleasure. How good is it to be alive? I guess it depends who you ask. Yeah, well, I'm asking you. Well, for me, at the moment, pretty good. But imagine some people, they struggle. And I don't want to be too insensitive to them and they think life is meaningless, it's suffering. And who am I to invalidate that experience?

That's true. So I'll speak on behalf of them, it's terrible. I knew it would get that kind of answer. You are, um, but for me, my life is amazing. Yeah, good, good. It's so good. Your fear. Well, that Jess, uh, just probably normally answers a similar sort of way.

Um, so that works out well. Um, Jess is fine, by the way. Oh, yeah. I bring up Jess, just for new listeners, for everyone from the Angus Massive who are joining us for the first time today. Jess Perkins is usually the third member of this show and she's fine. And a few people have been asking online where she is. I just want to say, on the record, there's nothing to worry about. Well, you were showing me a photo of her holding up today's newspaper.

Yeah, that's right. That's clear signs of life. That's right. Yeah, so obviously. And we all know how much she loves print media. Yeah, she's not having multiple newspapers, actually. She's propping up the industry. Yeah, I couldn't work out where she was from because the newspapers from all different locations.

But yeah, and she had six fingers, which was weird, but I think we're still trying to figure that out. Yeah, it's classic Jess. That's classic Jess. She's trying something new. Yeah. But the photo was definitely real. Yeah, I believed it. Yeah.

The photo was real and Jess is fine. Now, Dave, John explains. How did this show work? Yes. What we do here, Angus, is we take it in terms to report on a topic. It's often suggested to us by one of the listeners. We go away, do a bit of research, bring it back in the form of a report. And we've actually invited you on to do that part of the show.

Well, this happened. I think it was late at night after maybe the Duguan quiz show at Comedy Republic. And I just had a rotation of people I was drinking with all day. And Angus was on the show that night. the stand-up show and we had a lock-in and at some point during that night we were like, Angus was like,

I got the best topic for Do-Go on and we're like, let's do it. Jess is about to, you know, go away for a bit in inverted commas. That's how good the topic was. We made sure she wasn't. She doesn't need to hear this. It's too good.

It's big. Of people who don't know, Angus, he's a stand-up comedian from Brisbane now at Melbourne-based raw comedy winner, which only the very best do. That's right. I'm sitting here with the two back-to-backs, right? You want one year, Matt, then...

2014-2015. Wow. Heavyweight. Titans. Two of the most successful years. Which is... People, when Matt won, they were like, you can't be more successful than this. But then I proved them wrong.

Yeah, I mean, who remembers the other people who have won? Hannah Gadsby, Josh Thomas. Who? I can't remember those names. Who are they? Daniela Walker I'm not ringing a bell So there you go

So I do actually I know that one Okay well yeah Angus and I are the only two ones Who've really broke through after the win And It's two that you're the two that don't have Your own Wikipedia page

Yeah yeah I'm the most cooked Raw comedy win Yeah I don't know Nixon I saw Nixon I saw Nixon

He's back He's back in my mind Because he's doing a show in Sydney Very Very funny guy Back in the day Yeah amazing Amazing community

Yeah, incredible. All right, Angus. So, Dave, did you explain the show? Yes, I did explain the show. So Angus, so he pitched the topic to you, Matt, but I don't know what it is. I also, to be honest, can't remember. But it was late. I tell you, it was a lock-in.

I think it was 2 a.m. And I'd been there since, when did our show? When was our show? Three. Yeah. So it was a long-ish session. You were about 38 beers deep. Yeah, maybe.

I don't want to be. You were very drunk. No, he's not. I'm kidding. I mean, I might have been a little tipsy. Yeah. Anyway. No, no, no.

It's all, um, yeah, well, let's start the show, hey. Yeah, we always start with a question. Yes, perfect. You know the format. Who is Western Australia's most famous bush ranger? Ooh. Okay. And that's a good question, isn't it?

Because you don't know the answer. So he's not that famous. Oh, I don't know. Maybe we do. Do you know? Who do we know? Bush rangers. Ned Kelly.

Ned Kelly. He's Victorian. Victorian. That's VFL Bush Ranging League. Captain Moonlight. Is that one? Oh. That's another one, Victorian.

Victorian. Also, he had been in New Zealand. He fought in the Maori wars there. Oh, really? Yeah. For the goodies. Well, you work out who that is. No, no.

He was interesting because he couldn't stand the violence. He fought for the British in New Zealand and he couldn't. Man, that would have been. Yeah, he got injured and he didn't want to return to the front lines. So he kept pretending he was sick and they were like, yeah. Because he was, was he like, this doesn't quite feel. right. Well, they were murdering, like, women and children and stuff, and he was against that for some reason. So... And then he was like, no more violence to me. I know the perfect career.

Yeah. I'll be a bush ranger. It is interesting that he did do that. And he was gay too, Captain Moonlight. But rather than, like, work in a bank, he robbed the bank. He tried to be go straight and then, you know, it's just tough. Yeah, okay. I think that's why it was like a cost of living crisis back then. It's been gone for a long time now. Yeah. He's known as Captain Moonlight for that reason. He was working at a bank and robbing them at night. He was moonlighting. The original Bristwill. Well, this is, this Bush Ranger is the second most famous

Bush Ranger with Moon in his name. Oh, so there's Moon in the name. What about Captain? Because I do like. No, no captain. Okay, Moon. And he'd never been a soldier. This one had never been.

Moon Dog, Moon. Moon Dog would be an amazing. Moon River. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Bad moon rising. Is Moon the surname? No.

It's Mooney. It's a moon man. It is Lawrence Mooney I wouldn't say he's a Bush Ranger Definitely a criminal no Just kidding My Lawrence we love you Is it something like

You know like Johnny Moon or something like that It's Moondyne Joe Moon Dyn Joe Never heard of that You've ever heard of Moondyne Joe Which is funny because you reckon you've told me that But that does not ring any bells at all Moon Dine Joe

As I said you were so drunk Cap and I Joe That's right So Moon Dine Joe right He's interesting for a Bush Ranger he's not really famous for robbing. Oh. You,

when you think Bush Ranger. Yes. Obviously, you think Bush and ranging. But you think about their robberies, right? Yeah. Which he did do a little of. But what he's most famous for is...

He dabbled. He dabbled. He's most famous for escaping, prison. Oh. I love a prison escape. He's a big prison escape guy. He kept escaping. So he really was,

his real art was in the escape. So he only stole to give him the opportunity to do what he loved. He was about to not getting caught. Correct. But he was great at escape. But once caught, don't worry, I got it from you. You think you'd be good at both of those. If you're good at escaping, you're good at eluding the, you know, the prison guards and stuff.

Sure, but maybe if you love escaping so much. Yeah. You've got to get caught so you can escape again. Once you get a taste for it. Yeah. This is like pre-Houdini where you could like put the chains on and do it in public for money. He did some real Houdini ass shit. When are we talking?

1870s or something like that? A bit earlier, brother. Ooh. A little bit earlier. Late 1860s was his most famous escape. Sick. Yeah. Very close.

A little bit. Sorry, not 1870s, earlier. Late 1860. I'm saying 1867, 68. Yeah. So you're going to say it was it 1820? I assumed, yeah, a bit earlier. Sorry, mate.

The decade is, it's actually two years before. Yeah. Well, because it was. You want to be hysterically accurate. I love that. Yeah, you're accurate. That was the sort of the golden age for bush ranging, wasn't it? And should, do we need to explain what bush ranging is?

It depends when you want to say the golden age is. So bush ranging, it really starts in like Tasmania. I think people think it's a, it's a Victoria, we had the late era, right? Right. Ned Kelly, Ned Kelly 1880s, like sort of the end of the bush ranging era, the last big bush ranger. Yeah. But it starts in Van Demons land, you know. And why it gets going initially is because, you know, they're starving to death.

So how can they feed themselves? How can the white settlers feed themselves? There's lots of kangaroos. They give just convicts guns to. kill the kangaroos. Right. But they have to bring the meat back to the government store. Okay, now come back. Bring the gun back. Exactly. And they don't. Oh, whoa, whoa, you pointed the gun on me? And they choose not to. And because they're kind of the most powerful, in some respects, they're the most powerful men in the community because they have

access to food. They're the ones bringing in the food, right? So if you're, and then, you know, there becomes a network of like small landholders who are like, I don't want to buy from the government or buy it cheaper straight from the Bush Ranger, and you have convicts on tickets to leave, so they're working on different farms around the place that are secretly supporting these, like, Banditi. That was the original name for Bush Rangers. Oh, a Italian name.

Banditi. Banditti. It is cool. I wish we kept, we stick up with that. Yeah, I really like Banditi. Yeah, the last Aussie banditi. I imagine, because we do have quite a few overseas listeners, probably two-thirds of our listenership or more from overseas.

So roughly 66.67%. Roughly, not exactly. I'm recurring. Actually, 65. You pull it up on the way. You pull it, it's actually 65. But yeah, so to them, you'd explain it. They're like bandits.

They're just, they're outlaws. Yeah, they're outlaws. They're robbers. Our version of highwaymen. A lot of them had been highwaymen in the UK. Like Matthew Brady, one of the famous... We've done an episode about him. He was a high woman.

The gentleman. Bush Ranger. So he was one of the last sort of Bush Ranger in Tasmania that posed like a significant threat to the government. Because you probably color. He took over the town of Sorrento. Yeah, it was a while ago, but I, that, that could be, could have happened. Andy Matthews told the story.

Do you remember this one, Dave? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember. And he was killed along with the convict Jeffries, Jim Jeffries, the, um, the ghost of Jim Jeffries, the stand-up comedian. Comedy convict. Yeah, had been, um, the flogger of the town. And then, you know, wasn't, that wasn't enough sadism.

So he went, went bush ranging. But yeah, Brady didn't like being killed next to this monster. Oh, yeah. And you remember he was captured by Batman who founded Melden. Oh, who was apparently a pretty bad guy as well. John Batman? Yeah, John Batman. He was a bit of a bad guy if you don't like massacres.

And I don't. You're against, I've heard you're against them. I'm, I used to be quiet about it. I'm going to start saying out loud. I'm not a fan of massacres. Yeah, the Ben Loman. No good. That black, anyway, no good.

But anyway, so Tasmania is where he gets kicked going. You know, obviously into New South Wales. But W.A. has its own history of bush ranging. And W.A. is an interesting settlement, right? because it started off as a free colony for free settlers. It was basically a land grab. Like it was going to be a big money-making opportunity for private investors. And they were like, yeah, it's going to be sick, you know.

What you're going to do is you, the government will give you allocate private investors' land based on how many settlers they'll bring to the colony. But when they got there with Captain James Sterling in 1829, he'd been there previously in 1827 exploring and he's like, the land here is so good. We're going to get rich. Yeah. And then he got there and it's like only really a couple of kilometers of actually nice land. Yeah.

It's really bad. If you look at like one of those maps like topographical or whatever, you can see that the green is really just hugging the boundary of West of Australia. Yeah, real no good. That's proper desert. Well, the government still treats W.A. in a similar way. Yeah. Sending private companies over there to dig stuff up. Well, without the digging stuff up, there's no point for that place.

Yeah. Also don't think we have an economy for a. Yeah. Yeah. There's nothing there that's going on. So, like, it was going to be a free settlement, but they couldn't get any free settlers to come because it's a shithole. You know, some people say Perth is a shith. That's not true.

That's not fair. Oh, shit is actually a very good material to grow plants in. Perth isn't. Perth is great. They have some of the best beaches in W.A. Beautiful beaches, but have you ever tried to grow crops on the beach? It's hard work. Right.

So they need convicts, right? They basically, they couldn't get any free settlers. So they were like, we need slaves. How can we get slave labor? And slavery had been abolished in the British Empire in 1833. And James Sterling, who was the governor of the Swan River Colony, as it was called at the time, he was like, he was trying to get laborers from India and China to come over, like indentured servants.

And his family had gone real rich through the slave trade. That's another story. We can go into another time. But anyway, he was like, we get these Chinese guys, these Indian guys. we can start growing cotton in WA. And what you do is we'll pay them such little amount of money and like a bit of rice and then they'll never be up to leave. Because they won't have enough money to leave.

But we'll be able to outcompete those evil American slavers. But I don't think he really understood why slavery was bad. He thought it was like just not profitable enough. See, if you pay the money, then you can just take the money back for rent. And then they still will be stuck. Yeah, he sort of thinks he's found a loophole. It's not really, they're not, you can't call slaves. I'm paying them.

them less than it would cost to keep a slave. You don't, yeah. That's not slavery when you're paying. Absolutely. So that ended up, the government didn't go with that, but they ended up going. They weren't.

You are. He couldn't convince them. You're evil, man. I bet you they were like, we don't see the business here. Yeah, yeah. They weren't morally opposed. Well, yeah, exactly.

And a big part of, he wanted to connect Perth to the Indian trade routes. You know what I mean? A big part of Perth's problem is it's just so far from everywhere. It's the most isolated capital city. in the world. Pop stars don't like go on there now. Yeah.

Can you imagine how like traders didn't want to go there when it was on a boat? So far, man. And again, another, you know, another reason they wanted to stop it was like, they wanted, they founded it because he kept being like, oh, the French are going to take it. The French didn't want it. He's worried about the French coming over. Yeah, every city in Australia, you look up, why do they start the city? It's like, oh, the French might want it.

Imagine if we had like a French colony in Perth. That'd be amazing. Yeah, it would be our Montreal. Yeah, it could have been. Adelaide was a bit of a bit of a German settlement, wasn't it? A lot of Germans came, but the French had also, they'd mapped the southern coast of Australia. Baudin, the captain in, he'd met up with Flinders on a ship. They were mapping the territory at the same time.

And he went back to France and he wrote Terra Napoleon on the map. And the British were like freaking out like, oh my God, this is a British continent. You know, we don't want it to be called Terra and Napoleon, which obviously means like Napoleon land, but also it could be the terror of Napoleon. Yeah, yeah. Oh, that's good. That's pretty bad. That's good word. Sounds like a movie in which Napoleon is some sort of zombie.

Yeah. Where he's eating the brains. That's why the French Revolution happened. They're cutting off those heads so you can get those brains. Oh, it makes sense. Makes sense now. Or they were the zombies, right? And that's the way you can kill them.

I guess you have to destroy the brain. Like at Waterloo, Wellington's just like, shoot the brain, boys. Red terror, Napoleon. A lot of that doesn't come through in the history books. They don't mention it as much, but that's the subtext. So. I just need to quickly let the list of us know. Angus is doing this all from the top of his dome.

I also wanted to bring attention to that. You're going Nick Mason style, who comes in here and talks about the history of Marvel for about 100 years without any reference material in front of him. You are absolutely just riffing this. The dates are coming out left, right and center. I'm thoroughly impressed good sir. Most of this came to me in a dream. None of this is true. If you could have you're just riffing, you are improvising.

At the end, you were to say and scene. Yeah. So anyway, so where you start. establishing why convicts happened in Perth, right? The York Agricultural Society was like, we need, we need labors, we need labors, we need labors. Can't get enough free laborers, we need labors. And so the compromise, and you can imagine if you were a free settler who was there to work, you're like, I don't want slaves.

Like, who hates slavery more than a free worker, apart from maybe slaves? Imagine if you're your job, right, like a slave started working at the cubicle next to you on the spreadsheets. You'd be like, I'm not getting that raise. There's no way I'm getting that raise. You're like, hey, what are you having for lunch? And he's like, what's lunch? You're like, I'm dumb, done. But anyway, so they did a compromise.

The compromise solution was they brought out these guys, these kids called the Pankhurst boys, the Pankhurst apprentices, which were child convicts. They're not evil. Like 12 to 15 year old boys, right, who had committed crimes and they were sent over as apprentices to work for people. They were people, people would be like, were they slaves? Well, could they leave their apprenticeship? No. Were they free to go where they wanted? Absolutely not.

But they paid, not really. Yeah. be free to swim home at any time you're like. Yeah. The first person executed in Perth was one of the apprentices, the Panko's apprentices. He'd killed his employer's son. And then he was sent to jail. Apparently he only confessed the night before to the priest.

And he was so little that they had to add extra weight to his legs. My God. To hold it like so that he would actually drop properly. So how he was still a teen? Fifteen, yeah. Jesus. So sad. Bad man.

Anyway, so that didn't, you know, that wasn't not enough. These boys were not enough. This better be factual. If you've just thought of that, you're an evil bastard. Wow. That came to me in a nightmare, that one. No, I read that in a book about Fremantle Penal Colony. So in 1850, they got convicts.

Nowhere else in the world really wanted to accept British convicts at this point. They were still being accepted in Van Demonsland. and in Canada. Obviously, America had long ago refused British convicts, and New South Wales didn't want them anymore. Queensland didn't want them. Victoria didn't want them.

There's a huge, like, anti-transportation league. These are all states in Australia. Victoria's where we are now. Look it up yourself, you know, if you're listening to an Australian podcast. Van Damasland is Tasmania. Tasmania now, yeah. I think that was a mistake.

Van Damasland, much superior. Well, that was a part... That's the reason why they changed it, man, because there was such stigma about being a ex-convict or convict from, and they would call them the demons. It's right there, dude. They're doing the wordplay themselves. They're like, we cannot be having this demon moniker going on.

You know, this is not good for us. And then they name their most famous animal, a devil? Yeah, they're not thinking. They're not thinking. But they name, so it's named after Abel, Tasman. Yes. So they could have just called it Abel and they would have been like, yeah, we're able. Yeah.

We're really. Abeland. We can do stuff, okay? Yeah. But then they probably would have got that disabled. Oh, okay. And that's when people weren't as progressive as we are back then, you know. Anyway, so.

I only look at things in the positive light. Yo, sure. Yeah. So you've refused to see negatives. So the other states, they didn't want it anymore, you know. They called the stain or the taint of, um, transportation of convict labor. Oh, right. Which I understand why you call it the stain and the taint.

Because the taint, even though it's a clean area itself, it has, it does have, it does have the stain of being close to the arson. It's a asshole adjacent. The proximity. So the other states were like, we don't want to be having any, we don't want Perth to get convicts because we'll get the taint.

We'll be the taint of their stain. You know what I mean? It makes sense. It makes sense. They think the convicts are going to, like, during the gold rush in Victoria, right, they were like, we don't, all these fucking convicts from Van Demonsland

are going to come out here cause lots of crime, you know? And they did. They did cause a majority of the crime. So sometimes you shouldn't stereotype And sometimes they are very accurate stereotypes Well, stereotyping criminals As people who might commit crime Who might commit more crimes

Yeah, well, you know It is what You're saying before when they don't have enough food So they have to steal to survive Subsist But I mean, they were probably They were coming from a place Where they had to steal

To survive as well, probably And some of them got rich Rich as hell during the gold rush That's another story for another time But while the gold rush was going on incidentally, 1851, or was it 52 when they found golden ballarat? Up to top of your head? 51.

So 1850, just before the gold rush starts, Perth gets its fully grown convicts. Because before, I was except about the little boys. That was the pancursed boys. And you're like, well, it's not as bad as convicts because they're little. You know what I mean? They're little. They're barely around. But it wasn't enough labor.

So they got 1850, they get their first convicts. And this is now where Mundine Joe comes into the picture. So Moondy and Joe, he was born John Barilius Johns, Joseph Barrelius Johns. So he was like a gladiator or something. They love, dude, man, they love these fucking crazy, I've been looking up some of these guys. They love a crazy middle name. Barilius. Barillius.

It was fantastic. Yeah, like I was reading some like one of Adelaide's first sort of officials. His middle name was like Severus. But they all have like normal like normal what we'd consider normal first and second names. and then they're just going Hog Wild with the middle name. Well, I think that's what the middle name should be. I agree. We should go back to that.

Just throw in whatever you want. A bit of fun. What's yours? Edward. Yeah, it's nothing. Me and David dull ones as well. The same dull one. James.

James. Yeah, that's a common one. Very dull. What a waste of space? I would kill for Perillius. Or Hogwild. Hogwild. What about that for a middle name?

Dave Hogwild Warnekey. Yeah. Is it high school? I think of two middle names. He's hog wild. Yeah, he's got me hog. He was born in 1831, Mundine, somewhere in the United Kingdom. People don't know exactly where.

But they say maybe Wales or Cornwall, you know, similar sort of West Country kind of thing. I think we knew that, like, you know, you're very poor. No one, no one's keeping huge records. They're not the records. And in 1848, a police sergeant stops Joe and one of his friends walking along the street at like 830 at night. and he's very suspicious. What are you doing off that late?

You know, what do you do? What are you doing at 8.30? 2.30, sorry. Did I say 8.30? Okay. Oh, 8.30, yeah. That would be suspicious because that's dinner time. Why aren't you at home watching the bill?

And he's caught, they, they get searched. They stopped, you know, stopped and frisk, you know. It was like New York under Giuliano back then. You could stop and search. Then you based it on what they were doing in Cornwall? They based it on Cornwall. They based it on Cornwall. They based this on Moon Dundon Joe.

New York will. coming to the story later. It is funny how they, you talk about, people talk about how you can't do anything anymore, everything as a nanny state. Times before now were probably often worse. Yeah, well, that's, that's the thing with the convict thing. Like, I know a lot of people go, like, oh, convicts, they were sent here for, like, really bad crimes and stuff, but you can look up the registers yourself, and it's like, it really was often, like, stealing some... Not bit of bread. Moon, Joe got caught with three loaves of bread, one partially eaten. two rashes of bacon and various cheeses.

Oh, he was putting on a spray. He had a chakudery ball. What are you in for, chakudery? And do you want to know what his sentence was, what he was sentenced for this? They said you have to eat all of this cheese right now. That will come up. Yeah, he should have.

If only he had. If only our boy had. Is that what he was trying to like a drug dealer, flushing stuff down and taught? That's why that bread was half eaten. He was trying to destroy the evidence. He's guilty of having leftovers. So he got 10 years for that.

10 years. That feels about right. It feels about right. But apparently, I mean, it depends what kind of cheeses. Yeah. These fancy cheeses. This is another thing that came to me in a dream. But it's disputed.

It's all stuff that's disputed. But he'd gone before the judge, right? And he'd represented himself in court, as you do. You know, we've all seen, you know, DUI shows. You've got to represent yourself. Yeah, absolutely. And he gets 10 years. apparently other people

If you got a lawyer, you would have got one. Apparently a lot of people who would charge with similar crimes but they were given like two to three months by that judge on that day. Yeah.

He got up to the judge. Your honor, if I should say that, I mean, it's not a real honor to talk to you, you piece of shit. Yeah, he went hog wild.

He had his day in court. And boy, what is the day? What a day? He got up to get an 18-hour filibuster. Yeah, so he then spends a couple of is just like in English prisons and then he was sent to W.A. to finish off his sentence.

And he got a ticket. He got a little bit of time in like Fremantle and then he was given a ticket to leave. So basically you can go out and work in the community. You know, because like they were using the convicts to like build roads to build the prison, build different public buildings. So do you reckon he's happy to go to W.A. because you do get a bit more freedom than just being locked up all the time? Maybe. I don't know. man. I think something, like, that's the interesting thing about the convict system was in certain parts, it's like just totally brutal. It depends where you went in the system. Totally brutal. Like some of the prisons, like the worst conditions you can imagine being on the ships.

The transportation itself was like horrific. Lots of people died on those ships. Like, you know, you're locked up in a, you're locked up in the hole for like nine months. Yeah. And you hear about the like the food just being worm ridden or maggot ridden probably. And even though they had, you know, I think Captain Cook was one of the first guys to sort of deal with the problems of scurvy. It's still, there was still scurvy outbreaks. They didn't always get it right, you know, like having a fresh food available. I think it could be really, the transportation itself could be horrific.

Yeah, they do margaritas now to combat that, don't I? Now on most cruises, it's margaritas. That's why you get the lime. Yeah. The line is to combat scurvy. So, but then under the respects, you're right, man. Like, you could go out and work and some, some convicts got really wealthy. Like, um, one of the guys who actually financed Perth was a,

called Simon Levy, he'd been sent to Botany Bay, New South Wales, as a convict for stealing a chest of tea. And while he was there, he married a wealthy Ammancipus daughter. Amensipus is a convict who's had their time spent, like they've done their time. And he became incredibly wealthy. He like had rope factories in Tahiti. He had a bunch of different businesses. He became so rich. When he returned to England, he returned on a ship that he owned. That is great. He had a rope factory, my own. He had that rope money. You see that, see that rigging?

I own that. Yeah. That's from my factory. That's one of mine. And so he, he, he, um, Thomas Peel, who was, uh, an aristocrat in, in England, sort of a fail son, a bit of like a wasteoral, if you will. A waste rule? A bit of a waste rule.

That's fantastic. We've never had that word on the show before. I'm almost certain of it. You've never had a smart guest. No, no, no, no. Or host. Yeah, yeah, definitely. No, you guys are brilliant.

I'm a jerk. Um, no, like, uh, so these were the guys that were going to finance the, the Perth settlement, right? But Thomas, Thomas Peel, who was convinced to do this by James Sterling, his backers dropped out. They wanted, um, they wanted four million acres of land from the government. The government's like, no, you're going to have like a million, like, and there's no way you can bring out 10,000 settlers. It's not going to happen.

But Simon Levy was the silent backer. He came in and he was, he was very charmed by Thomas Peel because Thomas Peel's aristocrat. And Simon Levy, he never, he never. he got no respect, you know, no esteem neither. Partly because he was an amancipist, a convict, you know, that stain and the taint didn't go away. And also because he was Jewish, you know, and there was anti-Semitic times. So he was really charmed by Thomas and he gave him the money, but Thomas didn't put his name on any of the books.

Didn't tell the government. So when Perth is failing, Thomas Peel, that's another story, like totally fucked up his settlement. Like, it's insane. You could do a whole story on Thomas Peel. he never told Simon Levy what was happening. So Simon Levy went to the government like, so what's going on in Perth?

And we're not telling you? Your name's not on the books. Oh. And then he died a year later. Apparently of a broken heart. But I don't know if that's true. I think people romanticized because when his wife, Simon Levy's wife left him,

remember when she was married. And then he put out a news, he left him for another man and he put out a thing in the newspaper being like, I'm not paying any of her bills. If she asked for credit, I'm not paying it. He put it in the newspaper. He put it in the newspaper.

Wow. Yeah. That's how you communicated back then. son and just went back to England. Yeah, he was like, fine. What do they mean by that broken heart, dying of a broken heart? I think maybe you just lose the will to live. I think that's what they say.

But I think people just died back then a lot, you know. So anyway, that's an example of a comic who did get very rich. Yeah, yeah. There were opportunities. So it's an interesting system, right? But Moondy and Joe, right? So he gets a job. He's capturing escaped horses.

And then he has to like return them to whoever owns them. And he captures a horse. that doesn't have a brand mark on it. So he thinks like, fuck, this is going to be my horse. That's a free horse. This is a free horse. This is fucking my horse. So he brands it.

But that actually is technically horse stealing. Oh, once you've branded it. Once you've branded it, you have stolen that horse. Right. So he gets arrested for that. And you come up with your own brand? You can have whatever symbol you watch. Yeah, man.

I think so. He went with the Nike tick. Yeah. Mine would be your shuckers. You be a shucker? Straight in. Yeah, yeah. I'd heat up my hand.

Dude, if that horse had the fingers to do the shocker, it would not be doing that to you. So how did he get done if it had no brand? Well, that's hard to know, man. It's lost into the midst of time. Yeah. But apparently he got done right. I think maybe they just went,

they someone were like, how did you get a horse? It's like. Yeah. Talk about like Nanny State. I was like, I've just got a horse. I've just got,

it's my horse brother. It's a wild horse. It's a wild horse. I captured a wild horse. horse. Yeah, it's a brumbie, or it was a brumby now. I've tamed this steed. He broke it. He broke it. He broke it emotionally and physically. It's a very small horse. Yeah. Yeah, so, I said it was, I told it it looks silly.

I've told it so many times that it ended up going, whar-dart of a broken heart. Dard of a broken heart. There's other people say he did that. Some people say he stole the magistrate's brand new saddle and brittle. But I like the horse stealing story better because, and you'll hear, why he escapes from jail he re-steels the horse that he's already stolen it's his horse it's his horse out that's double jeopardy it can't be done for still the same horse twice what do you think he does with the stolen horse oh imagine he probably uh takes it the kanducky derby he kills it okay okay if i can't have it no one can he cuts out the brand mark oh and then he goes

i cannot be a red how can you prove that i stole the horse there's no brand mark and they're like, you're holding the horse's blood all over your hands. You did it in the town square. They say that could be any horse's blood. So he's learned from his not destroying the evidence thing. You know, like,

he should have eaten those fucking bread, those various cheeses. He's like, destroy the evidence. He breaks out, he kills the horse, he cuts off the brain mark. He's like, prove that I fucking ever stole it.

He ate the horse. They go, you know what? Fair enough. He was going to get 10 years. They went, well, pled so. They're like, damn you, damn you, that's good, but you're right. He's no big city lawyer. Yeah.

But he's got us. So he gets three years for breaking out of prison instead of the 10 he was going to get for, um, kill, for stealing a horse. For race stealing it or? He's never done for re-stealing it. They can't prove he's ever done that. He just, you just aren't allowed to break out of prison even if you were not in prison for anything they can prove. Right. Apparently two in five convicts sent to W.A. were sent for either being drunk or

rescinding from jail. So a pretty minor, minor thing. I mean, if you go to Perth these days, you could arrest the whole town for being drunk on a Saturday night. Am I right? I'm my buddy, right? Yeah, down. What's that street? Huddle? Northbridge. Northbridge. Northbridge area. Northbridge area, yes. A sort of a war zone on Saturday night. It is, uh, it is full on, walking down there. Westwood, you've just done a show or something and then you forget what day it is of the week and you're walking down that mainstrip. They're like, holy shit. Don't make eye contact. Don't make eye contact. Just bodies flying hither and thither.

Real wasaerals. There's a lot of wasteoral. Wastral energy. What a way. Big wasteal energy. Anyway. Is that actually what W.A. stands for?

Wastral. It does stand for Wastral. Yeah, Wastoral Australia. Anyway, so he's done for that. But that's not the end of, you know, Mundine Joe. Do you know how he got the name?

Because I can't figure it out. It's apparently from the Mundine Hills where he was like, um, fighting out. I thought it might have been the moon cafe, the diner in Perth. Oh, yeah. I would recommend you looking up what he looks like to. There's one photo of him and he's like all in sort of like, I assume marsupial leather and he's got a little he's got a little tomahawk and he's got this kind of face like, you know what I mean?

Oh, yes. I'm looking at the photo that they've got on his official Wikipedia page. Oh, wow. Yeah. So it's really like a poncho. Like a poncho sort of posse. Like a, yeah. Kangaroo maybe.

Pelt Pondcho. Potts and Pelt Poncho? That's sick. And he's got big mutton chops. Big mutton chops. Oh, I've just looked up to see if anyone suggested this topic. Three people have suggested this topic, Angus. Three listeners.

Kate Johns from Perth. Penny Tangi from Melbourne. Who's also, I think it was a raw, a raw finals. Yeah. Kelly Minchin, Dale from Perth. And another Kelly from Cranbourne in Victoria. And I would like to say before we move on, I have conflated the bridal stealing incident and the horse stealing incident. Two different incidents.

Oh, right. But anyway, so he gets three years in jail. He comes out. And then we get to the ox killing incident. Oh. Is this again evidence he's destroying? No, well, this one is interesting because... Oh, you made out with that ox.

No, I didn't. What ox? He's found guilty of killing an ox with three. felonious intent. I love felonious intent. Polonious intent is great. Do we have felonies here? What,

I don't know. I'm not, I'm no big city lawyer. To me, a felony just sounds American to me, but it probably is, it's where we're all, is America.

It was also a common law country, right? Right. Like based on British. I don't know. Anyway. We looked, we have looked that up before.

Um, there's two, I think it's two different types. Oh, okay. So he... Anyway, I love the name. I love the word felonious. He's pissed.

He denies killing this ox with felonious intent. I don't know if he denies killing the ox, or if he denies the felonious intent. You can kill an ox if it's for food or... Or humane. Self-defense. Yeah, yeah. But if it's...

He didn't know the shotgun move. He didn't know the... Yeah, yeah. So he just had to kill that ox with the... Well, yeah, I don't think Crocodundeed was released quite... yet. Hadn't quite happened yet.

So he didn't know that you can just... He didn't have the move. You didn't use... You can hypnotize the ox into submission. Yeah, yeah. So he had to kill it with felonious intent. Yeah. That's what a shame.

So he was once again returned to the convict establishment, Fremantle prison. Joe was registered this time as Colonial Convict number 8,189. He was transferred in... I'm reading now. This is the first time of... I want to get some of these details. Yeah, okay, right.

You didn't remember 8,100. I didn't remember which. convict number he was. I thought it was 8,169. But it was 8. I was 20. I was 20 off. He escaped again, but he was caught a week later and he was put back into it. He loves escaping. Yeah. He's loving escaping. This time in 1866, he's placed in irons and he wants to get his case removed. He gets four years taken off it. In August, he successfully breaks free again. Like, he's breaking free so much. How? What's he? doing and isn't it amazing that wouldn't there be a mark on his record saying don't let this

go out of your sight absolutely and that's about to happen because this time he go fool me once he goes back out full me five times all right we're going to start paying attention to this guy he goes back out to uh two d a where he was convicted uh court stealing that horse i think tod tod to to too i don't know how to pronounce it right it's spelled t double o d y why a y todd todd todd toy toy two d how would you say it yeah i think i think one of the ways you said sounds good well it was no longer Tud yay to him it was two

oh no because he robs a general stalks he decides him in some other comics they're going to cross the Nullible which is a huge

desert which basically Like it's so big It's so big It's so big How many days does it take To drive Like a week? Full day

Four full days or something It's like It's be very similar To crossing continental North America Right Yeah

Maybe not quite Canada But similar To probably Parts of the USA It's probably like Half the continent

Oh, Australia. Sorry, from side to side, I mean. But yeah, the Nullabor is a, yeah, it's like going, yeah, it's going halfway for more. Basically from, like, South Adelaide, all the way to Perth, basically. It's probably more than half, yeah, anyway. I always thought Nullabor was an indigenous word. Is it not? It means no art, no trees.

It's Latin. There really is no trees. Yeah. It's, so he robs this guy called Everett's store to get the, applies for his trip across the nullible. The guy's called Everett Store. The guy's called Everett Store. And it's crazy that he owns a store. No, Everett, who owns a store. Oh, okay. I was the number of a bit, but it was actual genuine confusion. Yeah, he said he robbed a guy called Everett Store and I went, oh my God. But Everett, it wasn't, you know how often with robberies and stuff? It's like,

you're like, it's just business. It's not personal. Apparently it was personally hated as Everett. They went out of their way. Yeah. Three days ride just to get the Everett store to stock up. I'm actually doing this job at a loss. He stole so much shit that Everett had to close the all. He ruined him. He even took stuff you don't need to escape. He's like,

don't take the TVs, you don't need those? Yeah. They're wearing us down. There's no reception. We haven't invented it. So he robbed, he goes out and he gets,

they get caught like a couple of days out into the Nullible by this Aboriginal tracker. And I think it's like, he's kind of lucky he gets caught this time because he definitely would have died in the next. He would have died. Yeah. So far.

Yeah, it's no way they would have made it. That's not like, yeah, people who are pretty well prepared still die out there. Yeah. Now. Yeah, like with like a GPS beacon and like, you know, six days supply of water. He just had like a chip on his shoulder and a can do attitude. Yeah, he had that scowl and that little axe.

And his hatred to every. I didn't kill that ox. So this time they're like, they're right, man. It's like this guy he is escaping too much. They're like, they create a special cell and an escape proof cell that has like, you know, it's like like, like, under the floor, you can't dig out of it, there's barely any light, there's barely any air. So he's getting like no lateral light. He's chained up all the time.

Some people say there's even spikes on the thing. Like it's some sort of like, he's like Hannibal Lecter. They've like locked him up. And remember this guy's a guy who originally was convicted of stealing various cheeses. You have to remember the kind of the level of criminal we're dealing with. Yeah, the system has forever been such a nonsense. Like the amount of effort and money that's been put into punishing a guy who, took some cheese.

Yeah, it's insane. Like, it doesn't make any sense. And back to the, it's like, it's also, it's because a poor guy who stole cheeses is now the worst criminal in the world. Sterling, the guy who founded W.A., he was a naval captain in the Caribbean. And the naval captains back then during like the war of 1811, they were really incentivized to capture enemy ships because they only got paid $219 pounds a year. But he captured three ships, the Maria, the Warren and one other three.

But Warren, I mean, crazy. So good. Sounds like a 1970s couple, Maria and Warren. Yeah, went over there plays for some little prawn cocktails. Yeah, we played charades after. Warren's so good. Yeah, Warren's a man. Marie is a beautiful host.

Oh, she's lovely. Lovely, yeah. Anyway, so he made 3,000 pounds capturing ships. And then he decided he saw another ship, the Hercules. Oh, the Hercules. It was like an Argentinian ship. But it wasn't an enemy ship, but he captured. it anyway and he took it into Barbados she stole a ship and then the governor of

Barbados is like brother you cannot be stealing ships that's not a ship you can steal they had to let it go anyway it got a bit outside Barbados he stole it again I'll take it it somewhere else he got found guilty of stealing it was like being like sued constantly to pay back the money which he's like not doing I love it getting sued depending on where you are he's a rich man up like a naval captain so he's not getting sent to jail no he's getting sued so he He's the boss and he stole a ship. And this guy's in prison for stealing various cheeses.

But anyway, he'd left by 1839 back to the UK. I changed my mind. The system has always worked. Governor Hudson comes up to Moondyne. And Governor Hudson, I think it's Hudson, he'd been the convict controller in Van Diemen's Land before he became the governor of Perth. And in Van Demoseland, he'd come into trouble.

He'd come under corruption allegations, which were proud true, in an inquiry where he'd been using the convicts for his own Perth. personal gain. He'd been having them like work for him for free. Basically. You build my house? Yeah, that kind of stuff. Thank you so much. Working as his slaves on his property. Yeah.

So that was, but Governor Hudson said to Moon Dine, look, this is impossible to escape from here. If you escape, you're free to go. Oh, that's sick. That's a great wager. That is so good. They have a wager. A gentleman's agreement. Yeah. He can't He also can't speak because he's got like a big thing over his mouth. He's got a grill.

Like he's a fucking rescue greyhound. He's all muzzled up. You know. So, yes. So that's a great deal. I think that's fair enough as well. I don't, unless you commit more crimes, we're not going to search for you. Absolutely.

So he's dying, though, basically. Oh. Because he's in this, he's locked up. Oh, right. Okay. Just the moon dying, you know, if you put someone in an environment with barely any air, barely any lot, no light, and you never let them move. Yeah. He's slowly dying.

He's like, through Danny or David Blaine or something, isn't he? Yeah. We'll put, like, 38 tons of concrete on top. If you can get out of there, you're free to go. Something that Angus hasn't mentioned is that cell is suspended above the Thames in London. And English people are getting really mad and pelting golf balls at him. And there's also sharks circling. Yeah.

Electric eels. Yeah, that's interesting. I would have thought he'd like an, he's an English gentleman type Hudson, right? They'll give you a sporting chance. He's not giving him any sporting chance. That's why he's made the wager. He's like, you cannot. It's like a real James Bond villain kind of thing.

He doesn't like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd like to see you escape from this, Mr. Mundine, Joe. The name is Joe. And the secular store is moving towards him. And then he gets a call. He's like, oh, I've got to go. But I've seen this will kill you. Goodbye.

This is my plans for my evil plans for the rest of the day. Catch you later. So he's, he's in the prison. And they're like, okay, he's dying. What we're going to do, we're going to, we're going to give him some exercise. Oh, I think you say, we're going to give him a chance. No, no, no chance. He's not boring.

He's still chained up, but he's allowed now to be in the yard and they bring out some rocks in a sledgehammer. He's allowed to break rocks. Oh, that, okay. A little treat. A bit of you time. A little treat. What would normally be a horrific punishment is now like a little treat. That's how bad the box is. The box is so bad. They're like a little, but what they don't do, and this is probably, I think a broader problem with why so many people could escape in Perth was a lot of the guards who came to work in Perth had been British soldiers who were either too old or injured and they couldn't stay in the army. So they were like you can no one wants to come work in Perth.

You can have a job in Perth and some land. But, you know. They're nodding off. They're notting off. They're 95 years old. And they're paid like nothing. Yeah, they're 95. They're crippled.

They don't have legs. Oh, he's running away. Oh, wow. So what happened was he was breaking these rocks, but they weren't clearing the rocks away from him fast enough. So the rocks built up around his waist and obscured like what he was doing below. So what's he doing below? What's he doing below?

He's having a little wank. Well, he, that was he. first thought. But then he thinks, I've got a sledgehammer. So he has a go at the wall of the prison with the sledgehammer. Hey. Okay. Because they can't see him because he's behind a little power of rocks.

These big pile of rocks are built up. They can't see what he's swinging at. How hard is this pile of rocks? And it says up to his waist. Okay. So he's doing low swings. He's like a few swings for you. But they've also set him up right on the wall.

Well, you know, I think it's not day one this is happening, is it? Yeah, yeah. He's edged his way across. Oh, you say so every day. He's edging. And he's also making his way across the yard. He's making a way across the up. When he gets his chance, he's like, do, do, do.

A little bit here. So every, every day there's a few taps on the wall. A few taps. And then he just goes, bang, bang, bang. He breaks through. He runs out of the hole through, like, one of the prison guards' house, which is just backed up against a thing. And then he's on the run for two years.

He escapes for two years. Wait, why is he on the run? He wins. Well, we'll get to that. Oh, Hudson's a dog. We'll get to that. I mean, I knew he was already. He just escape his chains as well?

Smashes him. He's got a sledgehammer, dude. God, this guy rules. Is this, this is, this is Bush Ranger history. They used to give him the guns. Now they're giving him the sledgehammerers. He rules. He's on the, two years.

You know, he gets caught because he tries to rob a winery. Oh, the cheese. He's back for more cheese. He loves a Shikuri board. He loves a Shikuri boy. Apparently, there's different conflicting, like, stories why the police are there. Some people say the police were investigating a drowning that happened in the river, and then after the drowning, you know, you're thirsty.

You've looked at all that water. Yeah. You need a tipple. So they're drinking at the winery. Some people say that they were already there doing other police work. I think they were drinking at the wine. Yeah, yeah. He tries to rob a winery, which is just full of the local police.

Oh, that is unlucky. He gets caught. They send him back to Freeman. And he says, hey, Hudson said, I could go free. Because I escaped the impossible room. Yeah. And then one of the jailers backs up his story. Yeah, Hudson's already left by this point.

Right. But he's backed up. One of the jailers says. Yeah, I did hear that. I did hear that. But that is also funny. And then you know what they go? They go, fair enough.

That is so funny. Because he was, so now. And let him go? Yeah, he doesn't have a little of time. Yeah,

they go fair enough. Oh, right. I love that because they're like, yeah, you free for the other charges. Yeah.

But they're like, yeah, they kind of let him, they don't make him do fucking forever, yeah. And he has a few more little incidents where he gets like one month here, one month there. But then he marries a woman.

He goes off like he goes prospecting. He does a bunch of, he lives until his 70s. His wife dies. And in his 70s, they find him like early 70s. They find him wandering around South Perth. like confused.

North Bridge. Oh, wait, is that South Perth? I don't know, Perth well enough. I'm sorry. Close to the city. Yeah, close to, they find him close to the city and they put him in like a lunatic asylum. Old person.

He's got dementia. He breaks out. No. He can't hold me. He knows no other way. Yeah. They put him an increasingly more difficult to escape prisons. He keeps escaping.

The last thing, you know, some old people, they can still respond to music. Yeah. Yeah. Remember it. remembers prison escapes. That's all he can do. Shackles, walls.

I know what to do. He has nowhere to go. He just keeps escaping. Does he, um, do you have a count, an escape count? I don't have an escape count. It's a lot, it's like it's like double digits. I'm going to say 13. I just made that.

That came to me just there. Not even in a tree. Wow. A waking dream. Yeah. And anyway, he inspires more escapes. He, but, does he go down the talking circuit? He gets on the, he goes on Joe.

Rogan. And Joe's like, have you, what do you reckon would win in a fire at a chimp or a gorilla? And he goes, a gorilla brother. Yeah, have you seen this great photo of me with an axe? Pull it up, uh, Todd or whatever the guy's name is. Well, like we're talking about. I guess what's the guy's name who pulls up things? Young Jamie.

Pull it up, Jamie. We'll edit that together so it sounds like I knew. Todd. So a bunch of Phanians, Irish Republican brothers, they're sent to Perth on the Hugamont in 1868, right? Perth had said they, they, they had said they, they, they have. We don't want any political prisoners, but they get them. And it's the last convict ship sent anywhere in the world.

British convicts sent anywhere in the world. Is to Perth in 1868. Hugermonts? The Hughgamon. I'm probably saying that wrong. Oh, no, I have no idea. I just haven't heard it before. So it's the last, it's the last comic ship sent anywhere.

Perth still wants more convicts. They're like... They just don't want those convicts. No, they don't want those ones, but they're just like, we need stop. Please keep sending convicts. Like, our whole economy is based on convicts. Right. Like, they've got 20,000 white residents by this point, and about 9,000 a convicts

a convicts or their descendants. Like the whole thing is convicts. And the British government is paying for everything. They're paying to send them there. They're paying like the wages for the guards. They're paying. They're paying for like to feed the convicts. They're buying.

They're pretty much the only people buying like Perth grain. You know, the whole economy is convicts. Like it's not until when Calgoorlie, they just have a golden Calgulian 1902 that basically Perth picks up as an actual place. Because otherwise it sounds like it would have died if they weren't replenished with convict. It was languishing, right? They're chucking coals on the fire sort of thing. This is just shoveling convict.

So anyway, one of the convicts is this guy called John O'Reilly, right? He's a writer. He was a, he was in the British, a lot of the Fenians who were brought out, they were in the British army, and they'd refused to fire on, like, Irish protesters. They'd refuse to kill them. And you go to prison for that, you know. Refusing to fire. Yeah, refusing to fire. It's up there with stealing various cheeses.

But anyway, so this guy, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's also a writer. He's, he, he, he, he gets caught, um, and charged for treason as a young guy, uh, O'Reilly. And he, because he didn't want to, he didn't want to shoot on the fire in his country. Well, he wasn't one of the ones that did that, but he was caught trying to recruit more people from his regiment into the Irish Republican Brotherhood, the Vanians. Uh, he gets sent to prison. He tries to escape a couple of times there. He loves to escape. Um, he gets sent eventually on the, the Hugamont to Perth. And on there, he starts his own handwritten, um, newspaper called The Wild

goose. Oh. That's a great name. It's a great name. The wild goose. And he's going to make him chase. He said it's handwritten. Yeah, handwritten.

So how many copies? Well, apparently one still survives. He made multiple editions and stuff. He'll just write them out. You wrote them out. Yeah. And there's one still in the New South Wales State Library, which I'd love to see one day. If any of our listeners get a chance to have a look at, it'd be very interesting.

Anyway, so he's a writer. He's in prison in Perth. He becomes friends with a local Irish priest, like an Irish priest, a Catholic priest. and they decide we're going to escape. We're going to send you back. We're going to send you to America. So the priest gets an American whaling ship called the Vigilant to agree to take him. So he abscons from his work party.

He hides out in the dunes and then he rows a boat out, but the ship takes off. The ship ignores him. No. It renegs on the deal. So he's just rowing after a ship. Yeah, he's just like, please. Come on. So he has to row back to shore, hide out in the dunes again for a couple of days.

The priest comes. back. They agree to get another ship to take him. The American ship called the Gazelle. The Gazelle takes him. He's going to take him to Java. It ends up having to go to Maricious because there's storms in the shipping lanes. When he gets to Maricious, which is another British company, they know, they know that there's an absconder from WA on board. Oh. But they refused to give up O'Reilly. O'Reilly had been with this another guy, like a regular convict. They go, hey, take this one. He's the guy. They sort of just lie and say, he's the one you want. And the other guy's like, what the guy's like, what the fuck?

But he doesn't say, he still doesn't give up O'Reilly. Really? The convict code, even though he's been absolutely shafted. Yep. So O'Reilly then gets put on another ship, another whaling ship they meet in the middle of the ocean. He gets taken to Philadelphia, where he joins up with a lot of Irish Republicans. He ends up in Boston and New York, where he's like riding, doing all this stuff. In, uh, he's then approached by other fanians, like, we're going to plan a big breakout.

We're going to get more of our guys out of W.A. and in, I just want to get the exact date for this one. 1876. So he escapes, I think, in 1871. He gets back to America. In 1876, the Fenians, they buy a whaling ship, an American whaling ship. And they put some operatives on board, like, they cut the fucking power between Fremantle Jail and, like, Fremantle in Perth. They, like, get their guys out.

They, get them on a boat. They take him out to the whaling ship. They get chased by, like, a British, like, fucking ship. They set up, they put up the American flag being like, if you should. shoot us. It's war with America. Oh, whoa. Yeah. And then the ship's like, fuck it. We're not doing that. They get back to New York, big party. Amazing. But then you know what fucking O'Reilly does? He writes a novel called Moondyne. Based on Moondyne Joe. Right. How did they cross paths? Moondyne Joe had escaped in 1868. He came to Perth in 1867 and apparently his escape was

partially based off hearing of how Moondyne had escaped. Right. It's inspired him. That escape in 1871. So he writes an article called Moondyne based on Moondyne Joe, like loosely, in which the character Moondyne Joe escapes from prison meets up with an Aboriginal group who tell him about a gold mine in W.A, which again, there would be gold in W.A. He gets really rich from the mine, becomes a philanthropist in England, comes back to W.A. where he meets up with a convict girl and her child and he dies trying to save him from a bushfire. And then that movie, which that novel gets turned into one of the early silent films in 19. 13. Wow. So Moondyne becomes like the, the second most sort of famous escapees from Perth write a novel about the most famous.

Wow. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah, it's cool. I love that. What a tale. Yeah, absolutely crazy. Have you seen any of the footage of the 1913? No, I haven't. But I love to have to have a look. I'm sure it must be somewhere. Yeah, I really hope so. Yeah. Because yeah, that's, that's really, really cool. I'm, um, I just want to, I just saw there was, Um, what's this guy's name? Moondyne. M-O-N-D-Y-N-E, I think. Um, just saying what, so, uh, this is what Penny, who suggested it, said.

Mundine Joe was a fun bush ranger who didn't kill anyone. He was so good at escaping from prison that eventually the authorities let him go because it was so embarrassing. Yeah, you just keep escaping. That's so funny. Oh, also she's written Oh, there's a Moondyne Festival, but that would be based on the place. Well, apparently, that novel, Moondyne, they did readings from it to celebrate its centenary fairly recently.

And Peter Rosenthorne, the comedian is one of the people that read out part of the book. Oh, wow. Yeah. I can't, I've never heard of, I can't believe I've never heard of those Fenians buying their own ship, sailing across the world, breaking out their dudes and then and then pissing off. back home. That's so incredible. It's an amazing story. That's so crazy.

And then, yeah, I love that guy's like, well, rather than write my own story, which is obviously amazing. I'll write about Moondyme. That Moondy's my hero. Yeah. According to Kelly Minchin Dale from Perth, who also suggested, she said there's now a pub named after him in Frio as well. That's the highest honor of all.

Well, next time you're there, you'll have to drop in. I will. I love Frio. Yeah, cool. Oh, sick, what a great tale. Thanks so much for telling it. Oh, no. Oh, no.

Oh, no. Have you fact checked? Moon Dine, Joe's Bar and Cafe, according to Google Maps is permanently closed. Oh, no. Sorry about that. It was described as... Yeah. Never returned.

Described as... She did suggest it in 2018, so who that is? It's described as roomy venue with vintage feel featuring a sports bar, an Irish-style tavern, which Matt absolutely loves an Irish bar. And a bottle shop. It had everything. Oh, yeah. I've got to go wrong. And so is there a reason why you've been so interested in this topic lately?

Well, I'm doing a show coming up about the early colonization or founding of Perth, Adelaide and Melbourne. I'm doing the first one at September 14th at Hoda on the Gold Coast. Oh, sick. Oh, that's a great venue. Yeah, that's like, big art center. Yeah, home of the arts. Yeah, which is, we always said that's on the Gold Coast. Yeah, yeah.

I've always said. The home of the arts is just at surfers on the golf case. That's where you go for the best art. I'll be doing it October 4th or 5th, I think a good chat in Brisbane. Awesome. And then at the elephant and wheelbarrop as part of the Melbourne fringe October, I think 17th to 19th. Oh man, that's so good. So that's why it's so in your head at the moment.

You're writing a show and you're getting it down. Yeah. So if you come along, there'll be this Mundine Joe story again, but there'll be stories from like Melbourne about Batman, about Faulkner, about William Buckley. who was an escaped convict who lived with the indigenous people. Yeah, also 30 years. You've done that.

The whole beer pioneer first season, I followed his path. There'll be stories about Edward Wakefield, who was a convict. He never sent to Australia, but he was sent to prison for abducting heiresses. He got addicted to abducting heiresses. Oh. He was a rich guy, so he didn't really get much. He should have gone to jail for a long time, actually. But then he came up with his own penal colony system where he thought, you know, you need to colonize Australia, but without convicts.

And he thought the problem with Australia was a labor problem again. He thought there's too much land. White people are stealing too much land. Any poor white person can get land. So why would they work for anyone else? So what you need to do is you need to make land so expensive that poor people can't buy it. Oh, they finally put that into fashion. He would have loved now.

He would have loved now. And so that's what Adelaide is based on. What sort of pedophile thought. Okay. But yeah, it's a crazy story. And that story's about Adelaide and Perth as well. yeah, more Perth stories. So, yeah, I'd love to see some listeners of do go on there.

I love that. Is your good chat show part of the Caxston Street Festival? I don't think so. I think it's just a... Oh, cool. I'm up there in October for Caxston Street Festival. Doing a who knew it and a podcast and a stand-up show, but it might not be the same time. I think I might be just earlier than that.

But if we're there at the same time, it'd be amazing to cross paths again. And Ang, what are you calling the show? What's the name of the show? It's called Outback Outcast, a comedian's take on the wild beginnings of Perth, Adelaide, and Melbourne. Love that. We'll put some links in the show notes to all those cities if people want to go along. We very much encourage you go ahead. See a raw comedy winner.

You've taken on some Aussie history. That's great. Yeah. Hannah Gadsby, Angus Gordon. The list goes on. They all do shows mainly about Aussie history. That wasn't what Annette was about. It was about one of a convict woman that she met on the road.

Yeah, that's what we all do. We all end up doing those sort of shows. Yeah. Well, thanks very much for having me, guys. Oh, man, it was amazing. It was a great story. I've got to say, incredible in the room to see you reel off all those dates and facts and figures

from the top of the dome. But yeah, that makes sense now that you are, I mean, that's what you're going to do on stage. Yes, pretty soon. So, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, if you'd love to see me say things from memory, you can come see me at the show. Are you doing it in Melbourne or anywhere else?

Yeah, at Melbourne Fringe. Oh, sorry. That's okay. That's okay. Put the earth on a wheelbarrow. Oh, what a beautiful spot. An English pub. An English pub.

It feels very appropriate. Yep. With some Fainian stories. Yeah. All right. Well, Angus Gordon, thank you so much. Thanks, guys. Well, as we say goodbye to Angus, we say hello to everyone's favorite section of show where we thank some of our fantastic supporters.

And we do this every week. It takes, you know, somewhere between 20 to 40 minutes, usually. Angus has left, but Dave is still here. Dave, are you pumped to thank a few people? It's what I live for. It's so good to do it. And if you want to be one of these people, and if it wasn't for them, the show wouldn't exist.

If I put it, if I can speak plainly for a second. That's absolutely, absolutely speaking real. They have gone to Patreon.com slash do-go-on pod. And there's a bunch of different levels. You can get bonus episodes. There's now four bonus episodes a month, including a bonus report, a quiz, something like that. then there is the

Dugan Movie Club where we watch a different movie every month. The first one happened last month and we watched Back to the Future an absolute classic.

Yeah, great times were had. And also the D&D campaign. There's all that sort of stuff. You also get to vote for topics and get in, you get access

to the nicest corner of the internet, the Facebook group. But one of the other things, if you're on the Sydney Schaenberg level or above, you get to give us a fact a quote or a question.

or a brager or a suggestion, or really, whatever you like at all. And I read them out on the show. Normally read one, two, three, four of them. Today I've got two beauties for you. The first one comes from, oh, hang on, Dave,

have I forgotten, does this have a jingle? It does have a jingle. Fact quote or question. Ding. Ah, I always remember the ding. Dave always remembers to sing. Perfect. And this week, first up, we've got David,

aka a place to hang a cape, Malofsky, and his title is Director of Pun Parodies. I think it's the first song we got one of these. This one's been labeled Challenge Dave.

Oh my God, throw down the gourdlet. Yeah, I'm excited for this. And the challenge. Oh, let's find out what it is. I have a challenge this time and it's for Dave. Oh my God, Dave.

That's me. I was just getting ready to be challenged. But anyway, so it's fine. Me versus another Dave. Mano and Mano. I've made a list of 25 films that have, that have or will come out in 2024. The challenge is to see how quickly Dave can come up with porn parody names for them.

25? And he, so he's saying in 69 seconds, see how many you can get through. Oh, okay, I'm with you, I was going to say, okay. All right. Did you want to join in, too? It's more fun with two people going for it. Pardon the bum All right

Well I think the challenge is for you If he challenged me I would have loved to have been involved So 69 seconds These are all 2024 movies Okay David I mean I think I think you're

I think if you get into a rhythm The first four You might really be able to make them work quickly All right The time starts when I've read The first movie name That's good That's good

Rebel Moon part one, a child of fire. Rebel full moon and then on the cover, it's someone's ass. Yeah, and it's still part one, a child of fire. Someone's fun. Number two, Rebel Moon, part two, the scargiver. The scargiver. The handjob giver. Rebel Poon, the handjob giver.

Three, the Rebel Moon, chapter one, chalice of blood. Chalice have come Rebel Moon Chapter 2 Curse of forgiveness A curse of forgiving someone Anjol

Furiosa A Mad Max story Furious Handjom A mad jack's story Mad Jack's story Mad Jack off Madam Webb Oh that's the full title

Web You got 12 seconds. It can't be web. Web like, you know, like, isn't that like a thing for Cumb? Madden web of Cumb. Deadpool and Wolverine, Final One. Dead Poon. I'm afraid the time is up.

Oh, 69 seconds goes so far. It does go very quickly. What would you say? Let's work on Deadpool and Wolverine. Dead. A head. All right. Head, Poon.

And, uh, woolly Vigene. Woolie Vigene Wolverine Wolverine Wool of a gene I'm surprised even myself well it wasn't Woolly

Why are they Part 1, 2, 3 and 4 of the moon one What are you Yeah what is that Rebel moon I don't know Anyway what a great challenge

So Love that Love that I'm sorry to do as well as you wanted me to do Well we don't know how well he wanted you to do But you got through

At least I'm claiming 7 That's not about score seven, that's more than, wait, is that more than one every 10 seconds? Yeah. Yeah, you did it. And the next one this week comes from Craig Dalgarno, aka operations manager of managing two-go-on operations. And Craig's offering a brag writing, hi team, long time listener, first-time subscriber, finally at a place in my life where I can really invest my money in lucrative businesses like keeping them. the lights on for someone else and you you sure are. You're keeping the lights on. You

keeping the mics on. Exactly. And that's the way for you to get success yourself. Yeah. We are now running a pyramid scheme. Yeah, yeah. You get on the bottom, work away out. Now you're here. My humble brag involves one of you three. Ooh, let's see if it's bloody Dave again. It feels like a Dave day. Yeah. It's all that, mate. I'm part of a band in Perth. A few years ago, we connected our Spotify for artists. One of the features is it shows you who has added your songs to their playlists. We were excited to see that we had been added to Jess Perkins' 30th birthday playlist, two of our songs in fact.

Whoa. I'm not sure if Jess ever heard the songs, but we had a good little humble brag about it within the group. We were all Jess fans from the Js, and I'm a big Dave and Matt fan too. Stop it, you're making me blush. I'm hoping one day Bravo Inferno will be able to tour around Australia with Weed Hornethorne. it. We've released a bunch of singles the last year or so, so feel free to check out the new

stuff, Humble Brague. Thanks for all the years of laughs. Diggsie. Diggsie from Bravo Inferno. Bravo Inferno. That's fucking great, man. And I wonder, yeah, so Jess obviously enjoys your stuff and she's putting you on a 30th playlist. Yeah, two tracks, not just one, too. Yeah, that's, that can't be a mistake. Yeah, first track could be a mistake. Second track. Uh, that's legit. Uh, that's legit. Thank you so much. Oh, that's great. What a shame that Jess isn't here. But she, I'm sure she's listening. Shout out to you, Jess. It was fine. So, thank you so much to Craig and David for those facts, quotes and questions. Like I say, if you want to get involved in that, sign up on the Sinney-Schenberg level or above. There'll be more of those coming next week. The other thing we

like to do, one of the other things we like to do is a shout-out section, Dave. Oh, yeah. We normally come up with a game based on the topic in hand. Could it be their Bush Ranger name? I think that's good. And his was sort of a place he was from. So, I mean, that's what we can work off, but maybe we can add a little bit more pizzazzed. Do you want to be the name reader or the name comer up or with her? I feel like all my energy was gone on porn parodies.

Oh, so we'll flip the script. Okay. Chalice of come was fantastic. So I'd like to thank, first of all, from Queensland, right here in Australia. I'd like to thank And you can go see Angus Gordon Perform Live very soon if you're anywhere near Brisbane

Bruce Purvis Oh, from Balgall Beach The Balgall Beach Perv Bruce Pervis I mean I wish I'd had Bruce Bruce Pervis For the porn parody section That's per

The Balgall Beach Bruce the Balgau Beach perv And then they just shouldn't shorten it to the Bell Gal Perv Yeah Gal Perv Gal Perv Gal Perv

Galperf's not a bad name. I like it. Oh no. You've just been struck by Gal Purve. Gal Purve. The Gal Perv Bandit. Oh no, it's Gal Purve. All right. I think we've got it.

Gal Purve banded and his gang of bandits. And pervs. They're also bandits and pervs. In brackets and pervs. On your gal pal. Galpal perv. I would like to thank also from, well, not also.

It's from a location that's unknown to us, not supplied, so we can only assume they're deep within the fortress of the moles. Thank you to Usman Abassi. Oh, the Abassie badass. Oh, that's good. The Abassie badass. That feels good.

Yeah. Uzman is such a great name. Yeah, love the name, Ussman. Ussman, Abassie badass. The Abassie badass. Love it. I'd like to thank from Coventry in the West Midlands, in greatest of Britons, Samantha Royston.

Oh, the Royston Royal. Oh, the Royal. The Royal. The Royal. Just the Royal's good, isn't it? Yeah, the Royal Bandit, the Royal Ranger. Oh, that's really. Royal Ranger. Collin card is leaving a cup of tea on a cup of a freshly boiled cup of tea for the victim.

Oh, that's nice. That seems like something a royal would do. The royals are something away. Yeah, they love giving. They love giving. They love to give. They live to give the royals, especially our queen. Thank you, Royal.

Lizzie, too. May she long rain. Good on you, Lizzie. I would like to thank from Macclesfield in Cheshire. I would like to thank this is a, this is already a. gang of two, Sophie Stock and Aaron Kelly. Oh.

The Stock and Kelly MacDaddies. Okay. Stock and Kelly MacDaddies. You mean Kelly Gang? The Kelly Gang. The Kelly Gang. Stock. Stock Kelly and Waterman.

Remember Stock? Yeah. Ackman and Waterman. Bit of fun. Stock. Stock take. Stock take. Yeah.

Stock. The MacDatties. The MacDaddies. The MacDaddy duo. Yeah, so have your stock and Aaron Kelly Powerful combination That's really good, good on you from Macclesfield I'd like to thank from Bergen in Norway

Thank you too And this is all one word Oh my God Any relation to Moon Dyncho Moomin troll Moomin'rull Both start with Moon I may have misreaded it as Moon at first

But it is Moom in Troll All one word Thank you Moom and Troll The Bergen Vagabond's Oh Bergen Vagamons The Bergen-Vagabom. The Bergen-Vagin.

And then you can just shot it was the Vagabee. The Vagabee. Oh, that's good. Bergen-Vagabee. The Bergen-Vegovie. Oh, no, the Bergen-Vagabee is here. Oh, no. The Bergen-Vagabon.

We know they're gentlemen. Back in town, the Bergen-Bagabee. We know they'll often leave a cup of tea, which they ripped off the Royston Royal. Yeah, that's right. The Royal Ranger. Now, next up I'd like to thank from location unknown again, probably deepening the Fort of the Moles,

a single word. This is like Madonna, this is Adela, this is Rihanna, this is Erica. Oh, Erica. Looks like your surname begins with an M from your Gmail account. In case you want to know, this is you. Erica, what do you got? The Eric Cannibal.

Oh, the Eric Cannibal. Wow, you're on fire over there. That's great. Somebody put me out. Yeah, geez. Eric Cannon. Fire alarm is going off in here. That's incredible.

Eric Cannibal or Eric Cannonball. Two options. for you, Erica? Like when you're rubbing your bank, Eric Cannonball! Yeah, yeah. You come in, you bash and crash.

Or you go in and you eat your victims. Either, right? Or all the above. Oh, yeah, that's true. Hey, I'd like to thank from Melbourne right here where we are right now. Thank you to Brendan Ireland.

Or Brendan Ireland. Brendan Ireland. It's got to be something like the fighting Irishman or something, right? Yeah. What about you? of Irish pubs, what about just the pub? Oh, the pub.

Oh, no, we've been done in by the pub. The pub's here. The pub's here. Pub, pub, rob some pub. Yeah, I like that. Thank you, dude, Brendan Ireland. I'd like to thank from Dulwich Hill in New South Wales. Thank you, too.

Another Rihanna Adele-esque. It's just bow. Oh, bow. The arrow. Bow and arrow. Bow, the arrow. Oh, that's good. That's really good.

Where do you get your idea? Yeah. Pretty good. Bo? I'd awaken a dream. And, um, Bo, I don't know how I can give you a clue as to who you are. You're from Dulich Hill and you've got a hot male. That's a, that's a strong clue.

You must know what's you, Bo. And I would like to thank finally from Colchester in Essex. It's Joel March. Oh, Joel March. March of odds. You've got the March Madness, the March Madman. Okay, yeah, yeah Saints go marching in

The Saint, that's pretty good The Saint is really good I love the saint All right, we'll go the Saint Thank you so much to Joel Bo, Brendan, Erica Moom Sophie and Aaron Samantha Usman and Bruce

Another great crop What a friend, we only have brilliantly named supporters I don't know Some people are probably holding back I don't know if we can support the show Our name isn't that brilliant It becomes more brilliant

As soon as you support the show That's our game guarantee. Yeah, we put a bit of Razz on you. Dave, I think that means all that's left to do is the triptage club. Oh my goodness. You're so good at explaining this. It's our theatre of the mind. I'll stop you right there and I'll ask, can you explain?

That'd be great. Right now? Yeah, yeah, why not. 10 seconds ago, but now. No, and go. It's the, our Hall of Fame, our clubhouse where we welcome and induct people that have been supporting the show on the shoutout level or above for three consecutive years.

These people, they've already been given a nickname. or something a few years back, but to enthrine them forever, we welcome them in, we put their name up on the clubhouse board. You come in, you can not leave, but why would you want to? No, you can't leave. You're stuck. Well, not stuck. You're allowed and not only allowed, but you are encouraged.

Not only encourage, you have to stay. You're trapped. You're trapped. You're at peace. You're at peace. You go to heaven. Do you want to leave heaven? Yeah, that's weird.

There's no exit in heaven because no one wants to leave. This is heaven on earth. Exactly. In your mind. In our mind. and there's music, there's entertainment, there's food. Now, Jess usually comes up with a food and cocktail based on this week, but Matt, you've been having the honors the last couple of weeks.

Yes. So what was, what was his name again? Moon. Moon Dime Joe. So we're serving moonshine Joe, we're calling it. Oh, God. You're on fire. And, yeah, I've been whipping it up in my bathtub.

And it's potent. Wow. Yeah, it'll knock your socks off in a good way. And, you know, when you want your socks off. Yeah. Not you've just put them on. You're like, oh, great, I'm going to put them back on. Yeah.

At a convenient time. Yeah, yeah. You're about to go to bed. Your feet are hot. One of these scenarios. Exactly. I love a moon. I love it.

Now, I usually book a band. Yeah, who've you got? To play, and you're never going to believe this. This is actually a band that before Jess went away. She's fine. She sent me a message saying, hey, I've just checked out this. a great new band from Perth. You should book them for the trip just got back to me just then.

Reach down, I can't believe it. They've just got back to me just then saying, yeah, we'll be there in a few minutes. This week, we've got Bravo Inferno. Holy shit. Playing live. Oh, that's great. Well, I know Jess loves to celebrate milestone birthdays with them as a soundtrack.

Exactly. So this works out really well. And I think listeners should look them up on their favoured streaming service or band camp or whatnot. Because, yeah, if you want to hear. how Jess likes the party, tune in to Bravo Inferno. Bravo, Furno. And their new single, which just came out in August, it's called Scratch. Oh, yeah.

And they'll be playing that as well as the two songs that Jess added to our 30th playlist. They're the first three songs. And then from there I said, guys, do what you want. Okay. I trust you. Yeah, exactly. Maybe cover a few Weid Hornets songs. Exactly.

All right, so we've got three inductees this week, Dave. The way it works is I'm on the door. I read out the name. and Dave will do a bit of wordplay to encourage you in. The crowd will all be cheering. Dave's wordplay is shit, but I think it's on purpose. So it's okay. All right, are we ready?

Yes. So three names, Dave, you're ready to go? Here we go. You've already said yes. Here we go. From Sydney. Beautiful Harbor City in New South Wales, Australia. It's Brendan Fallon.

Oh, move over the Tonight show. It's Brendan Fallon tonight. You know, Jim Fallon, something like? He's fall on good times. No, it is hard, isn't it? From Omaha and Nebraska, I learned in a crossroad recently, the most populous city in Nebraska in the United States, it's Aaron. Omaha, ha, ha.

It's the funniest person from Omaha, Aaron. And finally, from Glenn Huntley here in Melbourne, Victoria. It's Jamiah, hemp hill. This is a hemp hill I'm willing to die on with you, Jemiah. Come on in. Welcome in, Jemiah, Aaron and Brenner, make yourselves at home. Oh, you are going to want to grab yourself a clay, a mug. What do you call those moonshine bottles?

Oh, yeah, what are they? They're jugs, something jug. Grauhrala. Grab a growler. Go to the growler. And come over and listen to the fine musical stylings of Alpha Romeo. Bravo Inferno. Alpha Romeo opening for them.

That's the kind of car that sponsors the club this week. I was confusing our sponsor with our musical act. Last week was Hyundai, but this week it's our Bravo Inferno. Sorry, Alfred, fucking else. It's fallen apart of you, Matt. Well, that's the end of the episode. Dave. What do we need to tell people?

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