Do Go On - 464 - Hatshepsut: Egypt's Greatest Female Pharaoh (with Celebrity Memoir Book Club)

Episode Date: September 11, 2024

Hatshepsut is now recognised as the most successful woman to rule Egypt as pharaoh! Her story is a bit of a rollercoaster in life and also in death, as historians have changed the way they've seen her over the years. Joining us to hear this epic story are the very funny New Yorkers, Ashley Hamilton and Claire Parker from Celebrity Memoir Book Club! This is a comedy/history podcast, the report begins at approximately 14:08 (though as always, we go off on tangents throughout the report).Support the show and get bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodSupport the show on Apple podcasts and get bonus eps in the app: http://apple.co/dogoon Live show tickets: https://dogoonpod.com/live-shows/ Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/suggest-a-topic/  Other important links: http://linktr.ee/DoGoOnPod Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasDo Go On acknowledges the traditional owners of the land we record on, the Wurundjeri people, in the Kulin nation. We pay our respects to elders, past and present. REFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:When Women Ruled the World: Six Queens of Egypt by Kara Cooneyhttps://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-queen-who-would-be-king-130328511/https://www.history.com/topics/ancient-egypt/hatshepsuthttps://www.britannica.com/biography/Hatshepsuthttps://www.historyhit.com/hatshepsut-egypts-most-powerful-female-pharaoh/https://www.metmuseum.org/articles/hatshepsut-female-pharaoh-egypthttps://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/article/hatshepsuthttps://www.biography.com/royalty/hatshepsuthttps://www.thoughtco.com/hatshepsut-pharaoh-hatshepsut-of-egypt-112487https://www.britannica.com/place/Dayr-al-Bahri Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Melbourne and Canada, we got exciting news for you. And we should also say this is 2026. Jess, what year is it? 2026. Thank God you're here. Right now, I'm in Melbourne doing my show with Serengy Amarna 630 each night at the Cooper's Inn Hotel, having so much fun. We'd love to see you there.

Canada, we are visiting you in September this year. If you've somehow missed the news, we are heading up Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal and Toronto for shows. That's going to be so much fun. Tickets for all this stuff, I believe, are online. And I'm here too. Oh, and welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Wornicky.

And as always, I'm here with Matt Stewart. Hello, Matt. Hey, Dave. What a pleasure to be here on our show. Quick question, how good is it to be alive? Very good to be alive. Thank you so much for asking. And joining us this week, not one, but two guests.

It's Claire and Ashley from the Celebrity Memoir Book Club. Hello. Hello. Hi. Thank you for having us. Coming down the line from New York City, the Big Apple. Oh my gosh. Big Apple Live on the pot. I can't believe it. Two stand-up comedians from New York, bloody hell.

They call it, I like to call New York City of the Gym because that's where I got to work out. I heard a comedian say that once. I thought it was very funny. But anyway, thanks so much for being on. I will let you talk. No, thank you for having us. I also call it the gym because boy, is it a lot. You're walking around. We've got stairs. It's true. There's a kitchen. Every which way, you're high stepping over every single one of them.

Did you both cut, like you New York born and bred? Because people just go from, comedians go from all over America and move to New York City, right? Yeah. So I came from New Jersey, which is truly across the river. I came from about one and a half miles west. But I made it and I stayed here. And if you can make it here, they say you can make it in Australia. So I'm trying to know there next.

That's right. You're about to come out here. Have you been to Australia before? No. No. And everything we did career-wise was. to angle for this trip, so we're really excited. We hope it goes good.

It's all we've ever wanted. Where did you grow up, Ashley? I'm from outside Chicago. Ah, the windy city. Yeah, I blew right this way on a gust. I went, I went visit last year, loved it. It was the most, the closest to Melbourne of American cities I've been to, I reckon. That's what I've heard.

I feel like whenever I go to an international city that people like, they say it's just like Chicago. Yeah. I was being arrogant. I love it. That's also a city that you chose to leave. It's good. It just, you know, there's a lot of enemies there.

I had to, I was run out. It's more improv than stand-up too, right? There's a good amount of stand-up, but they're all, they're improvving as well, I guess. Oh, look up, you know, I'll take your word for it, but I'm pretty sure there's some big improv stuff there. Yeah. There's a scene. Isn't there? Yeah.

The second city. I was there. I was doubting myself. I'm like, no, I went there. Second City. Yeah. The Improv Olympics. Oh, that's right.

Yeah. Anyway, you're coming to Australia. Yeah, you're doing some live shows. Later this month in September, very, very exciting. You're going all over. I mean, you go to Sydney, Adelaide, Brisbane, Melbourne, even Perth. A lot of people that skip Perth. It's too far, but you've done it.

Taylor Swift didn't go to Perth. Well, everything we do, we do to one-up per. and this is kind of our eras tour and people are treating it as such so I would say don't even look for tickets they're probably sold out but double check in case I'm wrong. Yeah double check in case there's any runoff from the

people who are still waiting hoping for Taylor Swift to show up. And are people do they normally come dressed up as you from different periods of the podcast? You know if they did oh I would hide No I was going to say I would love if we had enough growth.

There could have been different periods of the podcast. We've pretty much just been two idiots, but in different apartments. Yeah, I guess people do often come wearing just a t-shirt and sometimes eyeliner and sometimes no eyeliner, which is, you know, two very distinct eras that we've been in. And you go up to me and you say, thank you. That's a real honor that you did that for me. I see someone wearing no eyeliner and I go, that's a throwback.

I remember those days. So on your show, if people aren't familiar, it's called Celebrity Memoir Book Club, and you both read the same Celebrity's Memoir and then discuss their lives. And we've been listening this week, haven't we, Matt? Yeah. A lot of fun. So good. We love it.

Thank you. Thank you so much. Yeah. And there's been actually a little bit of crossover. You've done a couple of people that we've done. What have you? We've talked about Marilyn Monroe and you had. Maybe Dolly Parton.

Dolly Parton? Yes. We did Dolly. Yes. But her book came out in the 90s, but it felt very like, you don't even know about your own second wind coming. Sometimes we'll do like her, Jane Fonda. Jane Fonda's like, well, it's 2004 and I'm done acting forever.

And you're like, you're about to do three movies about Tom Brady. You don't even know yet. I feel that she's very due for another. Oh, yes, you're not given the sequel yet? I don't think so, but it's coming. Whenever they want to buy a new house, they do a new memoir. And everybody always wants to buy a new house. it's so funny because Jess

our missing third who's fine by the way stop worrying but she she's away she's actually in New York she's probably you know next door to you right now but she went to Dollywood on her trip

She loves Dolly Pardon I've never been I gotta try it You got to I mean the photos actually looks really fun it looks really really fun what a country

I couldn't even recall off the top of my head where that would be Tennessee ever interested in in Australia aliens when they come to the U.S. We were just in D.C., and I feel like a lot of people always hit D.C. on their American trip. And I'm here to officially tell you guys, you don't have to see it. There's nothing there. I can confirm that Jess was there just before New York City. Yeah, that sounds right. And I feel like, I guess because it's the capital, it's in people's

minds as a place to go, it's an, it's a non-entity. Unless you're in Congress, unless you're right in laws, you have no business there. There's not much going on. She sent us a photo of the Lincoln Monument. That was pretty cool. Yeah. You could Google it. No, it's So big, Claire, you don't even know how big it is until you stand next to it and you say, I'm smaller than a foot. And that's when you really feel freedomed, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you're literally under the foot of a president, that's when you go, aha. When you go, oh, he could squash me with that shoe.

You say exactly as it's meant to be. I'm really looking forward to coming to the show. It's the capital in Melbourne. But, yeah, we'll put a link to the tour in the show notes, I suppose. Yeah, absolutely. And do yourself's favor. Come sit next to me. And you're going to have seats?

Is that true? Absolutely. Chairs in every city. There's been a lot of debate about it. There's been speculation. I can guarantee that there will be a place for your heen. Okay. That's big.

I think that's worth the price of the ticket alone. It's just a nice spot to sit for a while. Oh my God, 60 minutes of sitting time. Fantastic. Thank you so much. Another thing you can't do in America, honestly, loitering is a big no-no here. It's very free, but just not to do that. Okay.

You're free to be, you know, wherever they don't want you. You can't stay. Okay. I love it. Fantastic. We're going to get there one day. We will. Yes.

Yeah, we promised it was a Patreon goal about seven years ago that we hit. We do a U.S. tour. And we've not been able to organize the visas as yet. But we're feeling confident. of 2025. I also feel confident. I'll put in a phone call if you need. I don't think they like me over there at the office, but just in case.

Yeah, that would be great. I think that would be pants. Oh, before we get into it, can you rate my American accent? Oh, yeah. We get a bit of flack because we do like to do the odd impression. Well, impression. I don't know about impression. Well, the odd accent.

Yeah, we both dabble in a bit of acting as well. Most comedians do. and uh like Hollywood's a pretty big place for acting and I feel like I could break into the scene because I'm I feel like I'm nailing my generic American accent um obviously you got words like water water oh yeah that's so close it sounded it sounded like an American another third American person is on this podcast I'm parched could have some water you see you sound like a person in America that I wouldn't like, but like, I know it. I know I'm going to like him. But still, you passed. But he exists and he was born here. Well, yeah,

that's the, I want to go for villainous sort of role. Maybe I'll win you back, I'll be back with Trash Compactor. Oh, that's really good. Oh, yeah. Always saying that. They're calling each other at. They're using one. I feel like a trash compactor is like extremely American. You know what I would call it, though? I call it a garburetor. I feel like that's an American word. Never heard that.

Can I say? That's the brand name. I think that's a brand name for a trash compactor as a garbator. No, it's not even a compactor. It's a trash grinder. Oh, no. My retainer's in the trash compactor.

Okay, actually, I know that kid and I bullied him. That was good. That took me right back to middle school. Obviously, I mean, Australian accent I've heard it's difficult. Have you ever had a crack at it? Oh, I try it constantly.

I watch, listen, I've watched a lot of Australian adjacent television for teenagers as an adult. I've seen age 20. I've seen ballet academy. I've seen what else do you guys do? It was a real pandemic hobby of mine to watch. I was really into supernatural. Yeah, the maco mermaids. I was a

I was watching a I was watching a lot of like Canadian Warwolf drama and then like Australian high school drama that was a big thing for me Well can we hear it

Oh yeah okay Um Vigamoite I'm actually wearing a Vegemite Which I just realized It's very cliche That is so Aussie's growing a Vegemite Um

Which is something is ridiculous here But to you're like Everyone is that just normal Everyone always one One time at one of our live shows, someone brought me a jar of it, and I have it, and I'm going to try it. I haven't tried it yet. I'm scared. You know, an Australian actor has no stories to tell when they do a late night show and they do panel, and they go, you got to try this vegamite.

Oh, it's so salty. Yeah, that's too much, Jimmy. No. It's all. And it always, yeah. It's pretty cringy, but also it's great spread in that culture. Literally in that case. Great spread.

Oh, dear. I could say this. I could go, Rebel Wilson. Was that pretty Australian? That's pretty good. Yeah. She's a hero here. Yeah, yeah.

She's on the money. She's on the bank notes. Dave's got. Didn't you have a tip about special words like one? Oh, yeah. So I was in New York this time last year and I was at a book. bookstore, as you would say. We'd say bookshop.

Isn't that beautiful? No, you're translating. Yeah. I appreciated it. It's the source of the shop where they sell books. And I went up to the counter and the lady goes, oh my God, are you Australian? And I was like, yeah.

And she goes, oh, I love doing an Australian accent. And then her go-to words to get into character where razor blades, which I've heard before, but then also, pizzarea. Pizzeria. Pizzeria. And then she could go from there. That was her in.

I could do gnar. I feel like that. They are. No, we don't sound like that. No. No. We don't say like, no. Can I ask something?

And I don't want to be rude. But I've heard multiple times on this podcast so far that you guys are struggling to get to the US for these shows. Yeah? It seems like you're both in the US often and recently. That's the working visa. Working visas are the things that are. Yeah.

In the last 12 months, we've all been over there for multiple weeks of holidays. I actually went there. I booked in a holiday for the end of the tour that we'd booked in. Oh, so then you went on your holiday anyway. Yeah, I went for the holiday and just didn't get to do the tour part. Oh, well, you deserve to break afterwards, so I'm glad you got over there. I feel the problem is that they believe that we're tourists, but they don't believe that we're comedians. The funniest thing is on the formula to fill out, it says any awards or certificates that prove your excellence in your field, i.e. Nobel Prize or Academy Awards.

I. And we're like, that's the bar. That's the bar for the form. Oh, shoot. My Nobel Prize is not quite yet. I was nominated. Does that count? They're like,

you don't have the certificate. Yeah. Okay, what if we send them this episode, this like melding of Australian and American minds, and we say, how's that for peace? Yeah, that's beautiful. That's really lovely.

A war between the US and Australia. the treaty of this podcast. Okay, what if we live right now say, I don't even care that you guys are better at swimming than us in the Olympics. I think in the end you beat us anyway. It was our thing and you didn't even let us have that. Yeah, you still were.

It was rude. Let there be some fucking peas. If you want peace, maybe just throw a few meats. Yeah, you guys could have Katie Ledecki. Thank you. Oh, we'd love Ledecki. All we ask is one Ladeecki. Mackie. You can have Rebel Wilson.

Yeah, a trade. Trade agreement. Anyway, we should really start the show. Do you want to explain how it works? Yeah, so thanks so much for joining us. Basically, what we do here is we take it in terms to research a topic often suggested to us by one of the listeners. We go away, do a little bit of research, then bring it back in like a high school report style sort of thing. And it's Matt's turn this week to report on a topic. And the three of us, we have no idea what you're going to talk about. And we always get onto topic. with a question.

That's right. I'm sort of asking a tangential question because I hadn't heard of the topic before and I don't know what your areas of expertise are anyway. But my question is, what song did the Bengals have a worldwide number one hit with in 1986?

Oh, walk like an Egyptian. That's what I was going to guess. Bang. That's got to be the only one that they have, right? That was their only big number one hit. Yes, you're right. That was their only song, I think. Do they have eternal?

Flame is there as them as well? I get them and Bananaama confused. Oh, me too actually. I think I might be thinking about banana Rama. Both, obviously fantastic musical outfits. No one's denying that. But no, they had other hits, but they didn't have any other worldwide smash. Yeah, well, we're going to Egypt and that's huge. Anyway, so that's not the topic.

We're not talking about the Bengals. We're not talking about the Bengals classic song that's born a dance center. We're talking about a specific Pharaoh from Egypt Oh my God, I didn't know there were multiple I thought it was the Pharaoh Oh well, there you go Tut or nut

That's what I grew up saying That's what I was taught in school What were you talk Tut or nut If it wasn't King Tut you could just jerk off In the corner Okay I was wondering if Nutt meant the same thing over there

And yes, okay Tut or nut That's how we were taught in the US So I'm excited to learn That's a fantastic education system you're posting over. So, yeah, I'm talking about probably the most successful woman to rule Egypt as a pharaoh. And there weren't very many who did that, by the way. Her name was Hatshap Suit, I think.

Oh, yeah, I know her. What? Oh, okay. Have you done Hatsheptsuit's memoir yet on the pod? No, but we've done her pod. Can I say? I think the wall that it was written on fell down. That is, yeah, that is true.

That happens, I will talk about that later on. A little harbour shout out. So this was suggested just by one listener, Elijah from Sydney, who's a bit of an expert in the field. And I've met them at a few live shows in Sydney. They made mince around candles as a gift, handmaid candles. My gosh, maybe Eternal Flame. Oh my gosh, there you're thinking of.

That might have been what you're thinking about. Anyway, before I get into it, I'm nervous about mispronouncing a lot of the words. I'm not good at pronouncing words at the best times. And that's, you know, hieroglyphics are even more difficult for me to pronounce. It's a phonetic language, I think, actually. Oh, well, that's good. So hapship suit is spot on. Yep.

I message to Elijah about this because they did study it at uni. and they said, quote, with ancient Egypt, the way the language has been reconstructed actually doesn't include many direct equivalents to English vowels. And I think the closest living language is Coptic, so everyone's pronunciation is guesswork,

so you won't be alone with mispronunciation. Great, because that's a free pass. That's pretty nice. There might be Egypt files, big Egypt heads out there listening, that's not how you say hapship suit. And then you could say, actually no one knows.

There's no native speakers left to prove you wrong. Yeah. They did one time recreate the throat of a pharaoh. Did you ever hear that? Yes. He was upset, right? I think he was a demon. It was one of the funnier little news items I've seen, I reckon.

Yeah, having some sort of British archaeologists being like, and this is what he may have sounded like. And it's just, ah. It's the best. All right, so let's get into it. Hap chup suit. Maybe we need to give her a nickname. Hattie?

Yes. Hattie. Okay, great. Hattie was born. Hopefully that's not disrespectful. She's long dead, I should say. I'm sure people called her something else. They just didn't have abbreviations in hieroglyphics.

Time of endearment. Hattie was born at the dawn of the new kingdom, which Elizabeth B. Wilson, for the Smithsonian, calls a glorious age of Egyptian imperial power and prosperity. Born in 1507, probably. Like, all the dates and stuff aren't really, every source tells you a different date, but, you know, something like that. In BCE.

I was going to say, my God, only 500 years ago, okay. Yeah, yeah. So we've just added 3,000 years ago. It was a long time ago. She was the daughter of the Pharaoh, Thutmos. Thutty? Thutty, yeah, thuddi. The thuddiest of all of them.

He was the Thutmos number one, that is. And his great royal wife, Amos, great royal wife is what they called the Pharaoh's main wife. So the pharaohs would have lots of wives. Oh, yeah, because they were a bit Mormon about it. Yeah, I think so, yeah. Thanks for putting in terms, I understand. But yeah, they're very polly. They had a harem of secondary wives as well.

But yeah, he also had a favorite wife, which I guess was more political and stuff. stuff. It was about bloodlines and whatever. Yeah, Thutmos apparently means born of the god Thoth, which I think is fantastic. Okay. Very lispy. Like it a lot. Thoth. What's that God? Is he like known for anything or is he just kind of like that?

To be honest, I'd never heard of him before, but let me do a quick search. God Thoth. Can I say hearing all these names? I'm getting why that guy's esophagus went, there's all a lot of thoughts. Like the thaw. Like, you hear the sound a lot. That is what he sounded like.

Yeah. Oh, no. I can't pronounce that. Oh, yeah, Matt's showing me a picture here. He's, uh, what, I recognize that. Yeah, he's one of the big ones. Often, um, portrayed with the head of an ibis or a baboon, quite different. Oh, I've seen the ibis version.

Um, his feminine counterpart is Sesh hat. Apologies for the pronunciations again. I probably won't apologize anymore. Okay. I think most Egyptologists have probably turned off by now. They already knew all this stuff, it seems. Yeah. Yeah, but people do tune in to tell us what we got wrong.

It's like, if you know about it, yeah, skip this one. We're not the first source on this. Leave the knowledge for the rest of us. You're thirsty out here. According to Wilson, who I will quote from a bit, Hattie's dad, thuddy, the first, was a charismatic leader of legendary military exploits, and had he may have come into the world about the time of his coronation,

sometime around 1504 BCE. This means she would have been a toddler when he famously sailed home to Thebes with the naked body of a Nubian chieftain dangling from the prow of his ship a warning to all who would threaten his empire. It's a pretty full on move. Yeah.

It's a weird first thing to save your dad as well. Yeah. Like, oh, dad's back. It's the first memory. A naked man dangling from the front of his ship. Yeah, what's that on the boat? Yeah. He's not about a gift from a work trip.

This is for you, darling. Yeah, that's panicking. You're like, I forgot to buy a gift for my kid. Hey, you can have... What can I find at the airport? It was a magnet or this. Anyway, pretty full on. While she was still very young,

I think a lot of things happened to her very young, like in the first, basically before she was a teenager. She was named Egypt's highest priestess, a big deal. Of this position, Kara Cooney in her book, When Women Ruled the World, Six Queens of Egypt, she writes, Had he gained all the material wealth that came with the institutional household as well. She was now God's Wife of Amun, another one of her many titles, a powerful holy woman in control of her own palace,

income-producing lands, treasury storerooms, and hundreds of personnel from priests to bookkeepers to farmers tilling her fields. She was trained to conduct rituals that maintain the workings of the universe, by helping the God Eamon remake himself sexually every morning. Okay. I'm not really sure what that means. A god.

Sorry, we did look into what this means to remake yourself sexually. I'm quoting an American historian, so I was hoping you might have been able to shed light on that term. Can I say, I went to public school, so... We didn't talk about sexual remakes. I think it was once you lost it sexually, you were just kind of labeled a whore and shoved out to pass. There was no remakes.

Not in the eyes of our god. I'm on, I'm trying to say. He's like a blue guy with a big sort of hat. What a gig, huh? Like, did you remake Amen? And you're like, oh, yeah, yeah, he's good. We chatted, but he's good. He's up with this guy, he's really remade.

Yeah, yeah. Feels like a lot of pressure. She's just a kid and she's having to remake the universe every morning where God. And she's the top priestess. Big pressure. That's big pressure. Yeah, like, I don't even think she's 10 at this time. But apparently she understood her cosmic importance.

I mean, historians have to fill in so many gaps. They've got, you know, there is some writings and they've figured out the, you know, the Rosetta Stone or whatever. So they understand bits and pieces. But if things get lost in translation. There's no, like, deer diary going on. No, exactly. there should be. I mean, there actually are some writings like that

where she seems to be quoted almost directly, but obviously going through translations and I'm sure there's not appropriate words for everything. So we, how could we possibly know what a... Hmm. Thank you. Fill in the blanks. Fill in the blanks.

That's right. You're telling a story. My publisher needs a manuscript by the morning, and I've got like a few tablets to go off. I'm going to have to fill in some blanks here. She was sassy. She lit up every room she walked into. Every morning she remade this guy sexually. That's such a wild claim that no one would question you even if you did just make that up. Like Matt's Googled it. Nothing comes up. But it's like, oh yeah, I guess she was doing that. I mean, I didn't Google it, but it makes sense

that you assumed I would have. I was up until three hours ago. writing this up. I had an hour and a half sleep, but I'm feeling good. You're feeling remade? I am. Luckily, I got in a little early. I remade myself sexually, and I was good to go. Wilson continues, she had it all.

This is to me so funny to like a modern historian talking about someone from thousands of years ago. This lady had it. It all. She proved you really can have it all. She was educated, trained in decision making, rich in palaces and estates, and thrown into close contact with the most powerful priests in Egypt, not to mention the king himself, which was her father. Yeah.

To her, that's dad. Yeah, that's just dad. That's just dad. That's just dad. I would love training and decision making. What does that even mean? They were just like left or right. You've got to pick.

Think quick and they throw a ball at a head. Yeah. Yeah, it was dodgeball, basically. It seemed she idolized her dad, though, and was a big fan of, like, the system. Apparently, she was into the patriarch of it all. She believed in the system, which makes sense when you're, like, you know, you're born to the king and you're given one of the highest offices in the land. And you're eight.

Yeah, yeah. Like, what are you going to be like, dad, I've been looking at the situation. I have some ideas about the gender essential. of our society. It's, uh, yeah, I'm not so sure about this, dad. Did I really earn this role? Yeah. Um, I think, I think we should change to a meritocracy.

Just put it out there, dad. Come on, thuddy. Let's talk it out. Uh, yeah, so she idolized him a bit. Was keen to follow in his footsteps, she said, or at least this is what she later claimed that her dad had quietly named her as his successor when she was still young. Right, but so quietly only she heard it. Yeah, exactly.

I think he whispered it. Yeah. I think within the flock of children, there's a lot of ones who heard a quiet claim that they were the successor. Yeah, her seven siblings also had the same whispering. She didn't have, I think she only had one sibling, but she had a lot of half siblings from the secondary wives. Anyway, yeah, the idea that her dad would have said that, scholars say that would have been highly unlikely. Because as Wilson writes, there had been only two, possibly three female pharaohs, the previous 1,500 years,

and each had ascended to the throne only when there was no suitable male successor available. And that's not just brothers, that's half-brothers. You know, there's... Oh, wow. There's a whole brood of toddlers at any time because the pharaoh is getting out and about... Getting remade.

Yeah, oh yeah. Yeah. It sounds exhausting. So, yeah, the idea of a suitable male successor, ideally that would be the Pharaoh's son with his main queen, or great royal wife. But if that wasn't possible,

a son he had with a secondary wife would do. But yeah, there was a couple of scenarios where there were none of those available and had to go to a woman. Okay, so the word suitable feels important here because with all those kids, there's definitely a son, right?

Yes. But it's just not a suitable son. No, there is a son in this case. She doesn't get jumped straight to Pharaoh. A few things have to happen specifically. Inbreeding is probably on her side. A hero's journey. I'm so excited.

So Thadhi Thutmos had, the first that is, had two sons. He came in, he was sort of fresh blood. The inbreeding sort of, you know, the family tree ended up being a bit of a, you know, just a stump. A stump, basically. And he came in as a bit of fresh blood, a little bit outside. and reinvigorated everything and ended up being a really great pharaoh for his reign of about a decade. And he did have two sons with Queen Armis, his main wife.

But unfortunately, they both died before Thuddy did. Obviously, they'd have to outlive him. Or as Wilson puts it, I really like this term. I don't know if I've heard it before. They pre-deceased him. What? They pre-deceased him. Like the way you pre-heat something.

It's like before he deceased, they deceased him. Yeah, yeah. Don't worry, Dad. We've already got it. We've got your cover. Here's a death we prepared earlier. So that means next in line became the son of the Pharaoh of one of his other wives, who her name was Mutt, no, fret.

What? One more time? Mutt no fret? Probably not quite that, but. I love it. Yeah. And when Thuddy, Thuddy number one, died, the young fella was crowned Thutmos Duce. Thutmos the second.

Thutmos Jr. Yeah. The most, well, they can't both be the most thuddy. So he's got me the Thut least. Even more thought. Yeah. Two thought, two handle. Yes.

Thuddy too. secret of the thut. So to consolidate his place on the throne, because he was, it was a little, you know, potentially could be, you know, his spot could have been threatened because they're like, you're not the main son, you're a secondary wife, you know, you're.

Oh, right, right, right. You're not pure. Yep. You're slightly diluted. Yeah, tenuous claim. Mutt, no fret. Who? Who's that?

So to consolidate his place on the throne, a marriage was quickly organized between him and his half-sister, Hattie, which made her a pre-teen queen of Egypt, probably around the age of 12. Among other problems, do you know? Yeah, a bit young for Queendom and to her brother, huh? A bit young to already be incesting. Well, only half incesting. Can I say, I think when you measure it out, half is more than enough.

Yeah, yeah You're an incest glass Half full Yeah, yeah Yeah, we round up When I see a little bit of incest I say Say no more

You've done the most And yeah, apparently I've read different opinions On this But her husband was potentially even younger than that Than 12 So a bit of an odd couple there

Grooming grooming your little brother Problem out Now she's cancel. No, they're all canceled. So yeah, she became the next great royal wife. And according to biography.com, the marriage to her half-brother,

whose mother was a lesser wife, was a common practice back then. And the idea of it was to ensure the purity of the royal bloodline. The idea back then of what makes a pure bloodline is so funny, like just incesting it down to the same thing. So, yeah, basically, you know, infertile children, which is what happens, pretty much. Among other things.

Yeah, yeah. So pure, we're taking it back to monkeys. So not a lot is known about her husband, 32. But Wilson writes, historians have generally described 32 as frail and ineffectual. They're like, he's shit, he sucks. Oh my God, that is like a mean thing to say about someone we have no information on. Also, he's nine. Let him go through his crossburg.

That's the only information we have is that he was nine years old. He literally just learned to read. Give him a second. He hasn't even gone to decision-making class yet. The book I read by Cooney, she's like, some say he reigned for three years, some say he rained for 10. And she's like, let's be generous because he left no impact on Egyptian society. Let's say he ruled for three.

And then maybe it's not so embarrassing. No impact No impact Can I say Take nothing but photos Leave nothing but footprints That to me is actually a really good ruler So they need to live by that

Fix it Yeah Yeah things are going well Like everyone said Like this whole period was meant to be a great period In Egypt So maybe it was just sitting back And letting that happen

Yeah They kept cruising Can I say no impact Is better than bad impact He didn't tank society There was definitely There's only someone in charge when the whole place fell, so you don't want to be that guy. The last person holding Egypt, yeah.

Anyway, despite him being a little loser, monuments depict Hattie standing supportingly behind her husband. Is supportingly a word? Doesn't matter. You know what I mean. Though the couple had a daughter. So he was pretty infertile, but he was able to get one out. Yeah, but a girl. That's like a half a one.

Exactly. You can't do anything with that. That's basically infertile. Yes. He had kids with other wives, you know, a lot of them were pretty sickly, and I think generally infant mortality rates weren't great. Like it was a 50-50 kind of deal anyway. And him breeding with his half-sister did not help all of that. But anyway, Neferru-ray is the name of their daughter. That's great too. But no son, Neffi, I guess. That's really beautiful. Thank you. Thuddy the two, 30 the second. for maybe 10 to 15 years, maybe three years. Like, I don't really know. But yeah, he didn't get a lot done.

And he died in his... Bummer of an era. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, no one's going dressed up as that. Oh, you've come as study, too. Yeah. I'm actually pretty interesting. And my favorite is thuddy two.

I'm pretty unique, actually. It's a deep cut. Yeah. It's a deep cut. It's been a bit of it. My whole personality is actually 302 and how much I stand him. So, yeah, he didn't really leave a mark, and he left Hetty as a widow still in her 20s, or probably 20s. And because there was no male heir with his main wife, the job went to the son of a secondary wife, Isis.

Not the God Isis, just all the terrorist organization. Just a secondary wife named Isis And yeah This new kid Was very young Probably only a baby When he was selected Because all of his siblings

And half siblings Or half siblings Yeah They were all pretty young So how was he picked There was all these secondary wise kids Oh yeah Why is Isis number one

Why did he jump out Isis as a kid Oh sorry Isis Soon to be 33 Well, according to Cooney, this is how they did it. An oracle was used to choose the next king among the gaggle of princes. That's smart. Yeah.

If you got an Oracle, use it. If I can know what God wanted. Can I say especially, coming off this weak and ineffective era, I'd be like, I'll get an Oracle in here. We cannot thud again. Yeah, please. God, help us out. We need a do-over. We're going to take a mulligan on this one, God.

Tell us what you got. Can you imagine? Wait, what if you're like a nine-year-old king and everyone calls you weak and ineffective and a loser? And then when you die, they pick a baby. Like the baby can just do it. Now we're on to something. Let's choose a strong baby.

That'll get us back on track. So, anyway, yeah, the Oracle, this is how Cooney describes it. In every oracle proceeding, the statue of the god Amman was brought out of his shrine and carried aloft by his high priests, who then manipulated the god's movements to answer questions or give directions about future choices. Like, it's sort of like, you know, letting a wiji board decide the next president. T. Also a good idea.

Can I tell you? Not a bad idea. Okay. It seems actually extremely irrelevant that they have this daughter who's, so good at decision making and has it all. They're not even paying attention to that. They're like, let's do the Ouija board. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, like it feels like if she was a boy, she would have been like clearly the just the number one, no competition, she's the next fairo. But yeah, they went the long way around. I wish they had the Barbie movie. And I would have really cleared things up for them. That actually, I think of my life in two periods, pre-barbie movie and post-barby movie,

That opened me right up. Back then, I would have been like, let's get the Oracle out. Now I'd say, let's make Barbie the Pharaoh. Yeah, what about a girl? Cooney continues. So all the young princes or nestlings, as they were called, apparently, were gathered into a great hall of the sacred space, and the God Amun himself was brought forth as Oracle to choose the king among them.

The God moved about circling the boys, apparently mulling his decision, and then decided upon the young thuddy number three. Wow. I don't know what his name was before that, but. But they're basically, they just like spun a wheel. Yeah. And then it landed on the baby. Well, the way Cooney talks about it is she's like,

we don't know what went behind it. Potentially, you know, the elites in the society, not like lizard people elites, like the higher up people or whatever. They, I know you have a big lizard people culture over there, don't you, in America? Oh, yeah. I was a person president, I think.

If my source is on Reddit are correct. Yeah, we always went to a pizza shop or something. I forget it. But anyway. Yeah. This girl was there. Let me tell you, Hattie. She was remaking some people in the back.

Oh, yeah, big time. So, oh, my God. Sorry. That took me a moment, but yeah, that's funny and full on. The big two. So, yeah. What was I talking about? Oh, the,

Oh, yeah, how they pick the baby? We're on the third third. We're on the third thud. The higher-ups picked this baby. Yeah, well, that's what Cooney's like,

we don't really know. Maybe it was just like spinning a wheel and, oh, what's the statue going to do? He's a wacky guy. And they, and they were treating it like a Ouija board. Or she's like,

maybe they, you know, they all went, we want this kid. And just so it's not on us. All right, make it look. The decision was made by the gun.

And it turns out to be another dud. Then we'd be like, well, that's, geez. Geez, the buddy God has sold us out again. She sold us a pup there, God. Or maybe she even suggested maybe they took drugs to get all of their sort of, you know, prejudices out of the way and let them just feel it out.

I like that idea. Maybe that's why they're circling around the kids and they're like, whoa, this kid looks like a son of a god. Because that's what the Pharaoh was, son of a god, which is pretty cool. Should be, you'd think it'd be more obvious Which one's the son of a god If one of them's the son of a god And none of the others are, You'd think they'd have a little, you know, a glow

Or something about them As someone who watched Turculey's growing up It was very clear that that kid, it was special And that's what I know about sons of gods Yeah, I feel like they need to, you know, put him in a foot race See which one of them Race them, baby race See which one of them throws a frisbee the hardest

Oh my God talk about Jesus being a young athlete. Does that, I've never read the Bible top to bottom, but. Yeah. He went to one of the early Olympics, I'm pretty sure. Okay. Great high jumper. Yeah, really good.

And people never talk about it. It's so weird. He was really good at swimming. Just, you know, just ran across the top. But I broke a lot of records back to end. Anyways, I mean, it was the first one. So I guess that's sort of stuff. They did not have good training.

They had no sense of proper nutrition. That's right. They drink beers at half time and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Got wild.

So yeah. So we've got 33 now. Thuddy, which is the baby. And it means Hattie is no longer, you know, the wife of the Pharaoh. Right. She's now sort of like the auntie slash stepmom of the pharaoh. Kind of like the queen mother used to be. Yeah.

So it's a bit of a step back. and yeah 303 took the throne as a you know the baby king according to Cooney this was kind of unusual for the time uh saying have a baby in charge yeah that yeah yeah that's yeah this is years before boss baby came out was brand new we were not doing that a lot that's right don't judge off this don't touch us off this one baby king. We don't, this is like not really what we do alive. This is not the norm.

But yeah, she was like in any other place in the ancient world. If they had tried to install a toddler as king, like in the 11th in Mesopotamia, in Greece or in Rome, the young king's son would have been dead before the week was out, after which a mature ward lord, still holding the bloody knife, would have been installed in his place while his minions slaughtered the young king surviving family members. She's like, that's what would normally have happened. But in Egypt, you know. That sounds normal.

I feel like if I was a warlord and I was like, oh, they have a baby king. I guess I'll just take it. I can take the baby king. You just have to challenge the baby to one-on-one combat. Listen, I coward when they had that pathetic weak nine-year-old king. I said he's pathetic and a loser, but it's still. someone I respect and now they have a baby king. It feels very in my face.

You've got to kill him. So yeah, that's what, yeah, makes sense. That's what would have happened anywhere else. But here they had a system in place and the people respected it, you know. I guess the God selected this baby. And I also sort of knew that I think it, because there had been problems before where there was drama around people fought over the throne and it just ended up in trouble for everyone. So they're like, all right, this is the system. We maybe don't like it, but we'll just go with this for now.

And we'll wait out until, you know, they reach to another stump in their family tree and we can jump in there. So 33 did eventually go on to be a great warrior king. But that was going to have to wait until he could at least walk and talk. According to Wilson, in these sorts of cases, it was accepted new kingdom practice for widowed queens to act as regents, handling the affairs of government until their sons, in this case, stepson slash nephew, came of age, and had he got the assignment. Apparently, like, the way Wilson says it, this is kind of normal, but it would have really been more normal for the kid's actual mum to play that role. Oh, yeah, what happened to her?

I think because she was a lesser secondary wife, Haddy sort of, like, a bit of background maneuvering, got the gig, and it was, you know, it's all political, really. but she's in charge then yeah she's basically in charge because the baby you know the baby's the king but she's she's working on behalf of the baby she's like baby's top advisor she's helping her decision making she has nap time so i'll just handle this war yeah she's like the baby translator

yeah no no no hurt him side heard him say it yeah yeah it's kind of i mean she's already she's got form because she did say yeah oh yeah my dad told me that i should be fair like ages ago. And no one else heard it, but he did say, he whispered it to me. Oh, the baby whispered to me that, yeah, I'm in charge now. And yeah, I get second helpings of dinner. So that's what the baby king said.

So I don't want to go against that. So similar to 32, Hattie's brother-husband, 33, was portrayed in monuments as the king with Hattie standing, supportingly behind him. And was she leaning over and holding up like a toddler's arms? What's going on? It's weird, very symbolic people, the ancient Egyptians apparently. And they just, his statues, even when he was very young, were just like man pharaoh. It was just, you know.

They gave him like great abs. Oh, yeah. He was ripped. He was the most ripped baby. Very tall baby too. He basically looked like a full adult baby. Great beard. Similar probably looked a bit like you, actually.

I'm an adult baby, yeah. Yeah, so despite the monuments, Hattie was really running the show, like I say. And within seven years, she actually fully took over the top job and started calling herself the Pharaoh. It was sort of like a very low-key coup. Right, you're so...

Like maybe like once a week start referring to self as the Pharaoh, then twice a week, and eventually it's all you say. Yeah, yeah. The first time she said, oh, sorry, I've misspoken there. And eventually she stopped saying, I've misspoken there.

Yeah, maybe she says something like, advisor to the Pharaoh just regular So yeah she's now calling herself the Pharaoh She starts having monuments Depicting her as the Pharaoh At first she was portrayed as a woman pharaoh

Which was very unusual And then They found ones a little while after that Where she was sort of portrayed As a mix between a man and a woman as Cooney writes, wearing a tight-fitting dress showing her feminine hips and thighs, but on her head she wore a masculine short wig and two tall ostrich plumes sitting atop ram's horns.

And this Cooney contends is very manly, as she writes, there isn't a more masculine headdress than one with ram's horns. In plumes. Yeah, I mean, in plumes. A woman would never wear plumes, not one I know. Not a feminine one No And then eventually

A sexy lady with luscious thighs Who married her brother She really I liked reading her work But yeah She really did pad things out Feminine hips and thighs You know like this anyway

There's a word count we're hitting Yeah Yeah And then eventually the monuments went full man As Wilson describes A full blown Flail and Crook-wielding king With the broad bare chest

of a man and the pharaoh at the pharaonic false beard right that's big big for the pharaoh but can we check in on what the hips were doing uh well yeah i think they were now they were just like they were thought thick thought thighs just like a dad like her dad her brother husband and her nephew before during and after it do you know what the false beard means like they were wearing like a beard murkin Yeah, I'm picturing it like a really cheap Santa costume, but Pharaoh false beard, I think I think it's like it's on all those Pharaoh monuments that you're picturing one,

but I just never noticed it as a beard. I never noticed it as a wig. The thing that comes from their chin? I think so, yeah. That piece, that long... Yeah, I think that's what it is, that sort of goatee. Yeah, like they're in a 90s new metal band. But that's the longest goatee, like solid.

Yeah. But I'm imagining that. I'm taking it off and putting on their nightstand at night, like as a pair of earrings. Like, I guess I'm really caught up on the word fake. Like, why would they just grow it? I'm picturing Gavin Rostale. Nice. Oh, yeah.

I think, yeah. Heartthrob sort of facial hair. Gavin Rostall, that's, um, that bush. So the bush guy. When's the Farnie's ex? Yeah. There's a rain. Great stuff.

Push by name. Bush by nature. Oh, yeah. He's very, very bushy on. the chin. Maybe that's where it came from. We'll never know. History didn't record it. So yeah, this is around 1473 BCE when she became Pharaoh and she was the sixth of the 18th dynasty. According to History.com, Haddie was only the third woman to become Pharaoh in 3,000 years. I love how some, like, history.com is like definitely the third. And like proper historians will be like, we're not sure,

second or maybe third, but the blogs and stuff can just be like, third, whatever. Let's make a call. We'll round it up. Yeah, but had he was only the third woman to become Pharaoh in 3,000 years of ancient Egyptian history and the first to attain the full power of the position. Cleopatra, who also exercised such power, wouldn't rule for some 14 centuries. Wow. Yeah, which, I'd just picture it as a shorter thing, but it's a long...

Yeah. That's too long. That's too long for one civilization. Pass the torch. Give it up. Joe Biden. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Step aside. Step aside, old man. And my old man, I mean, Egypt. Egypt. The idea. Egypt. I think that's something that America has really done well at it. It's like being a quick world power.

You got in, you made a big splash, and you're on your way out. I'm nervous. I'm nervous that we look out. with a bang and it'll take us all down. But until then, we have had so much fun at the Olympics. And I have to say Disney World, that's great. Oh, yeah, we did a really good work

with Disney World. We said, how else are you going to have an ice cream in the shape of a cartoon mouse? A mouse. Ashley was just telling me about, you know the Wisconsin Dells? Waterpark capital of the world. There's 15 water parks in one city. I mean, that's very great. Can I say

there might be more? It's so many water parks. Next time, can I tell you, okay, Australia. up. This is actually hugely important. When you guys do your little, your trips across America, skip D.C. go to Lake Delton, Wisconsin, more water parks than you've ever seen in your entire life. Okay. Water parks in one city than Wisconsin has people in the whole state? Yeah, there might be. Yeah, it's our sheep.

I thought that was really unpopular. They got 15 water parks. That's a one city. There's so many water parks. It's so fun. I think if you think a statue of Abraham Lincoln is going to blow your mind, wait until you. you see how many water parks they've got and all different kinds of water slides. You've got the tubes. You've got the straight down ones. You've got the ones where you kind of like jump up at the end.

It's crazy. So anyway, I was just saying a lot could happen in just a small, you can get a lot done with a shorter society. It's Wisconsin. So you're thinking, oh, it's Wisconsin.

It's so cold there in the winter. Well, they also have indoor water parks. So even if you're coming through in February. Oh. Oh, yeah. It's like, yeah. You can smell them from a mile away.

Is Wisconsin, is that the cheese state? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, imagine a long day. Dairy and then get straight into a water park. A long day, slipping and slide and down a water slide. Just cheese curds out the ears. Cheese platter on a summer's day, beautiful. The freshest curds you've ever tasted.

I should say, Australia is absolutely tied up in your empire as well. So when you fall, we fall. Oh, yeah, we've built, I mean, small water parks in tribute to you, but they're definitely not as good. We've got wet and wild. That sounds pretty nice. Need I say more? Yeah.

No, there's two. There's two on the Gold Coast. There's also... White Rapids or something. Yeah, White... Rapid. Yeah, Dream World One. Yeah, two.

We've got this thing where on the Gold Coast... In one city. On the Gold Coast in Queensland, they've got four theme parks that are quite close to each other. And you can... Five. Is there five? Well, you should be able to get our four parks super pass where you can go to all four.

I'm wondering, can you get a 15 park super pass in Wisconsin? And get it all 15 in one weekend. I got to look into that. And if not, well, that's a business to consider for a... Pay for 14 and get the 15th free. To come in and take over. I think this is so... Egypt feels like the place that should have a lot of waterpark.

I'm picturing very sandy and hot and dusty. What a great place. How are you getting the top of bottom and slow it down? Well, wouldn't you say that the Nile River is like the... original water park. Oh, yeah. It's like the slow bit where you get into like the rubber tube and float around. Oh, you guys would go crazy for one of the biggest water parks in Wisconsin.

It's called Noah's Ark. Oh, okay. That's great. There are quite a few like Bible. I mean, I know, I'm sure I've heard of one other one, Bible theme parks in America as well. Oh, yeah. We got a theme park for everything. We got Hershey's Park.

That's a park based on chocolate, which I guess is also the Willy Wonka thing, so quite reasonable. but I feel like we've got a lot of... I mean, Dollywood? Dollywood, that's his theme park. We got a listener from, who came out to a Melbourne live show from Hershey. Is that in Wisconsin as well? No, whatever. That's in Pennsylvania.

Pennsylvania. And he, it's going to sound like everyone gives us candles. This is the one other time. But he gave us a chocolate-scented candle. From Hershey. What a town. What a town. A delicious smell.

In America, if you have a business good enough, business is town now. You know what, my favorite thing about chocolate? Certainly not the taste. It's not the eating, it's the smell. I love that smell. Yeah. Love never getting to enjoy the taste.

I want my whole house to just kind of smell, smell like a chocolate. It's like edging for food. Yeah, yeah. I should say beautiful gift if you're listening. Thanks so much. We enjoyed that. We sniffed it. Oh, yeah, we sniffed it too.

It's nub. All right, so she's taken over the new role. She is now the pharaoh, self-appointed. Although she's co-feroing, the baby or the toddler. Oh, right. He's still technically also pharaoh. She hasn't quietly put him down. Yeah, yeah.

Okay. Which, if, you know, if she really hated him like some historians suggest, she probably would have done that. Yeah. Accidentally, you know, send him down the Nile or something. But anyway, why this happened, no one really knows why she took it over. there are differing theories. Egyptologists of the first half of the 20th century suggested it was because she was a devious betrayer of her steps-on-slaught nephew, taking the position that was rightfully his.

Okay, losers. That's like the loser-iest take on this. I've ever heard. Devious. I mean, it seems like she just wanted to. Why would she do it? Why did she take over the throne? It seems like she wanted to.

Why would you want to be the most powerful person in the kingdom? God, that's such a weird decision. But it is, it is so funny. The things they, like in the early 1900s, the mid-1900s, the motivations they, like, projected onto her were very funny and very of the time, I would say. But yeah, biography, more modern ones disagree with that. Biography writes, technically, Hattie did not usurp the crown, as Thuddy 3 was never deposed and was considered co-ruler throughout her life.

But it is clear that Hattie was the principal rule. her in power, which makes sense she was the one who could talk and stuff. Despite this, and I love that there's a lot of the experts in this field, the dated ones and the more modern ones, seem to be based out of the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York. That's our thing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, is there a big Egypt section there maybe? Oh my gosh, it's phenomenal.

Yeah, great. Well, yeah, they have some of her stuff. We'll take a photo for you guys. That'd be sick. Yeah, that'd be amazing. Get on down. So, yeah, so one of these old school Egyptologists was fellow New Yorker, William C. Hayes, and he worked at the Met.

And he called her, quote, the vilest type of usurper. And also said that her becoming Pharaoh was when, quote, this vain, ambitious and unscrupulous woman showed her true colors. Wow. Oh, my God. So there's a lot of haters in there. It's crazy to study a society where you get 3,000 straight years of male rulers, except for two, maybe three aberrations and be like, these fucking bitches. These brawls.

You only had to know three the whole time. Leave her alone. And he hates them all. This is a guy. This is an American man. And when America's really kicking off, this is the 20s and stuff. feminism was sort of booming until the Great Depression, I think, in America. But yeah, obviously he was a historian.

He was old school. He was like a woman taking the job. And it's so funny, don't you reckon it's so funny to call it like the vilest usurping? He's a historian. She didn't kill it. Yeah, things have been viler. Way viler. I would say it might be the least vile usurping if you even call it usurping.

The least vile thing that's ever happened is to like co-king with a baby. Yeah, that's right. People are looking off heads, killing family members. Oh my God, the other thing. When you were like, oh, yeah, the normal thing to do would have been for a warlord to come by and knife them to death and then hold it up and take the throne. Respectfully, not the baby. Yeah, not in a while. This evil, horrible, horrible woman, she co-kinged like a bitch.

We hate her. So, yeah, it's amazing how quickly, but yeah, modern scholars do not think about it in that way at all. They're like, he does not represent us. Yeah. And, you know, a lot of them, like nearly everyone I quote is American. Like Renee Dreyfuss, curator of ancient art and interpretation at the fine arts museums of San Francisco has said, so much of what was written about Haddy, I think, had to do with who the archaeologists were. gentlemen scholars of a certain generation.

It's not gentleman to me. They don't seem nice. No. Yeah, he sounded angry. Like the words made it sound like he was taking it personally. Like it was his family. Like he was the baby. Yeah.

Wilson Wright's another element of her reign that was disconcerting to some scholars was her insistence on being portrayed as a male, which we talked about before, with bulging muscles and the traditional pharonic false beard, the bush beard,

variously interpreted by those historians as an act of outrageous deception, deviant behavior, or both. According to Kathleen Keller, a professor at the University of California

at Berkeley, said though, she was not pretending to be a man, she was not cross-dressing. I mean, there's a pattern here as well. It was like,

It seems like all the Egyptologists of the modern day are women. And they're all like, what were they talking about? So maybe it'll cycle back around. The next generation will all be men and they go, no, no, the first guys were right. She was a bitch. She was a bitch. She looked like a man and we hate that. It's so funny to be like, all we have are these etchings.

However, it seems that she was a big-time cross-dresser. Let the baby speak. Surely the artists were drawing exactly what they saw before them, which was her wearing a false beard for sure. But that Berkeley University of California academic, Keller, she also said the inscriptions on these statues weren't trying to hide it. They all revealed her true gender with titles such as Daughter of Ray or Ra or Feminine word endings resulting in strange titles such as His Majesty Herself.

Okay. So, she's like, she wasn't hiding it. It was written there. Everyone, like, they could see her.

I feel like every, like, are they saying that every pharaoh of Horan when they're depicted with huge muscles and their statues? Exactly. That was accurate. Yeah, that was photorealistic.

Yeah, they definitely were those big, shocked. Yeah. All those new bread pharaohs? Yeah, they were jacked, man. And then, yeah, I like this from Joyce Tildesley, writing for Britannica.

She agrees. And it's like such a fun backhander to those guys who were saying, what was she doing, cross-dressing, trying to pretend she was a man, deceiving everyone. Yeah, Tildersley wrote, To think it was a serious attempt to pass herself off as a man is to misunderstand Egyptian artistic conventions. which showed things not as they were, but as they should be. In causing herself to be depicted as a traditional king, had he ensured that this is what she would become.

So it's sort of like a little back end of it. Like, if you understood Egypt society at all. Yeah, you don't get it. You know that is a ridiculous thing to say, man. It's also so funny, like, what they give a pass. They're like, well, the king was the son of God. That's just a given. But this statue, this is so fucking preposterous

that we don't know what to do with it. I'm using oracles to put babies in charge. But a lady with biceps? Evil. I mean, this is early 1900s guys putting words. Like, as far as we know, the men back then were like, yeah, I mean, I don't think they were cool with it. Otherwise, there would have been more than the very few female fairers that there were.

But, yeah, anyway, this is why she is like, like, you know, whatever you think of I don't think she's like some some bitch or whatever She's like quite formidable, impressive, surely She had it all Yeah I think obviously she's a bit of a bitch But

I'm sure I mean she waited twice Like she got passed up two times And then finally she said You know, I think a baby could use some help And that seems so reasonable Like that seems kind to the country Like was the country just going to run itself

And she's like, I was, I've, my whole life's led to this. Yeah. Like, there was no one more qualified than her. Yeah, I've been a high priestess since I was nine. I know what I'm doing. I got this. I talked to God on the reg. Her resume, unbeatable in the region.

If anyone else applied, they would have said, yeah, no, you don't have what she has. Yeah. Not if it was a gender blind, uh, yeah, process, but. Yeah, they might have had real bulging muscles. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, so the early thoughts when they, because she was, I'll talk about it soon, but she kind of almost disappeared from history for a long time. And that's why it's these early 1900s guys who had all these theories,

because she was unknown for quite a while. And I'll come back to that soon. But, yeah, the early theories in those early 1900 years was she was a bitch and she was vile and she usurped this kid. The rightful baby. It was awful. Which, you know, how many kings and leaders and stuff have done that forever? But putting that to one side, modern scholars don't seem to think that's true now anyway,

with many arguing that she only took on the job to protect their dynasty's hold of the throne, including the young pharaohs. According to Wilson, modern Egyptologists now suggest that it was some sort of a political crisis such as a threat from a competing branch of the royal family that oblige Haddy to become Pharaoh. She's like, if we just leave it as this kid, the two of us together, an adult woman and a baby man, us together might be enough to hold off the challenges from the competition. She's like, the baby is very vulnerable if he's, and, you know, it turned out to be true because she, she ended up raining for over 20 years. Whoa.

and yeah Catherine Rohing, creator of Egyptian art at the Met in New York, said, far from stealing the throne, had he may have had to declare herself king to protect the kingship for her stepson. Backing up, this idea is the way she treated her stepson slash nephew 33 during her reign. He wasn't under house arrest for those 20-odd years, says Roig. He was learning how to be a very good soldier, which he went on to become. He takes over when she dies and becomes like a great pharaoh in his own right. Wilson continues. And it's not as if Hattie could have stepped down when her stepson came of age, saying,

once you took on the attributes of kingship, that was it. You were a god. It's not queen for a day. It's king for all time. So you can't go, you know, I'm the representative God. You can't just like quit that job. Yes. Otherwise the whole system falls apart.

So she's like, I can't just hand it back to him. It has to be passed on when I die, sort of thing. Which is interesting. Because people are like, if she was really doing it for his benefit, she would have stepped aside when he was an adult. You can't just step. You can't just step. Also, it sounds like it all worked out.

He got it. Yeah. Everyone got to, like, I just don't understand the problem. So everyone got a turn and that's worse. And he got like, because he, you know, he's still got it relatively young. got in his 20s and he rained for like 30 years. Oh, great. So yeah, that seems like it all went.

And I should say, like I said earlier, and we haven't really been talking about it, everything's going great. Egypt is just like in a hugely prosperous era. Everything's going fantastic. So at the time, people probably aren't questioning it because they're like, it's a good thing. I imagine if things were going bad, she wouldn't have lasted 20 years. Yeah, yeah. That's true. Cooney says in later text,

Haddy, boldly and perhaps somewhat defensively, states, and so she obviously did write some sort of diaries or had some things put down. Because they did have record-keeping things, but it wasn't about, it wasn't very broad, very specific records were kept. But anyway, apparently the translation makes it sound like she took on the power only because her godly father, Amon, the one she sexually reawakened every morning, asked her to do so. She tells us that her human father, 31,

introduced her as king to his elites before his death. She tells us that everyone wanted her to be king at such occasions. They were like, yeah, you'd be a great king. That's what she's right. It's like decades after the fact. Everyone like high-fived me. Everyone was awesome. Yeah, yeah, there's probably never going to be a king as good as you.

You're the best king. I know you're not king yet, but you would be such a good king. And that's a strong position to be in, right? Saying God wants me to be king. So then anyone who wants to like argue that, they're like basically, You're going, what? You disagreeing with God? Yeah, you're calling God a liar?

You're calling God a liar? What? I have to use that Shrek next time I fight with Ashley. We fight a lot. And I tell you, I never think to put God on my side. Yeah. I don't think God's a liar, so boy, oh boy, would you get me with that one. Why would God lie?

He's got no reason to lie. Well, God help you pick your next memoir? Yeah, he picked a baby memoir. It's a short episode. So yeah, so she went from regent to Pharaoh. Something around 70s, I don't know how long. It was a few years she was regent. She was like, you know, looking after him and then took it over full time or, you know, splitting it about seven years in maybe.

And she also took on a new name, which I will mispronounce, but it's something like Martcari, which may translate to something like, truth is the soul of the sun god Ra or Ray. Wow, that's very efficient language. And so it may be like, it may be like, it may. or may not translate to the most perfect beautiful girl in the world. I don't know. In the 20s, the men are like, it may translate to vile woman.

Yeah. Snake. Evil conniver, which was an interesting name for, she chose it. Which shows her true colors. That's a beautiful name, though. Truth is the soul of the sun god rar. I love it.

Yeah, beautiful name for a boy or girl. So, Mutt Cara. or whatever she's also known. She's known a bunch of different things. According to Wilson, the key part of this name is the Mart, which is the ancient Egyptian, and I'm so sorry Egypt, people still listening. I know that's not probably how you say, but the ancient Egyptian expression of Mart is all about order and justice

as established by the gods, maintaining and perpetuating Mart to ensure the prosperity and stability of the country required a legitimate Pharaoh who could speak, as only pharaohs could, directly. with the gods. By calling herself Mart Kare, Mark Kara, Hattie was likely reassuring her people that they had a legitimate ruler on the throne.

Don't worry, guys. So a lot of this, so, you know, some historians are like, a lot of this stuff of her saying, oh no, dad said he wanted me to do it. The gods are telling her, that's not just her big noting herself or whatever. It's not necessarily self-interest. It's like, it's a way of making everyone else feel this is okay.

We don't have to be nervous. She's meant to be there. God said so. Yeah, I got this. So yeah, I guess you could take it either way, but no one knows. All of this is guesswork or emotives and whatnot. A big part of creating the idea of Mart with the people was building monuments. I guess to sort of project a connection with the gods.

And Hattie excelled in this area. Because things were going well in society. So she had a real chance to build. She was like a... Because she's like women, though, right? To come in and like redesign. the place? Oh my God. The thing's plays. She's like, I'm finally king and I want an extension on the pool house.

She was putting it onsuits on every bedroom. So this is what Wilson wrote about it. Her building projects were among the most ambitious of any pharaohs. She began with the erection of 200 foot tall obelisks at the Great Temple Complex at Karnak. Reliefs, which is a term I'm nerd, but they are like, they seem to be like engraved sculptures that tell the stories of things that have happened. So there are reliefs that they found commemorating the event of erecting the obelisks, each weighing about 450 tonnes,

being towed along the Nile by 27 ships manned by 850 Orsmund. Wow. Like a building project's great, but normally, like, is there any more useless project than a big stick? That's what an obelisk is, isn't it? Isn't that just a big stick? A big pointy thing, yeah.

We've got one of those right by the Lincoln Monument too, I think. Oh yeah, Washington. Checking out in D.C. When you're there? Yeah, the Washington Monument is a big stick. So if you hate those, then heed my warnings. Skip it and go to the water park.

Yeah, I think I'd rather the water park now. I'm 100% going to Wisconsin. It's like everyone, I think most Australians who travel to America would go to the same, maybe five places, generally speaking. California, maybe a couple of cities in California. Somewhere in one of the big cities in Texas. Austin. Yeah, probably Austin.

That's what I did. New Orleans, New York City, maybe Boston, I think would be probably, or maybe Miami if they like Disney. Oh, yeah. Don't you reckon, Dave? Yeah, yeah, I think that's the common one. But I think they are really skipping over Wisconsin, especially now we know it's got 15 plus water parks. First of all, sounds like everyone's skipping Chicago. That's a really good one.

Chicago, yeah. Yeah, Chicago is actually popular to, yeah. Drive up to Wisconsin have the water park. the wet and wild weekend of your life, and then you can go to, I guess, Boston. Ashley, you're talking about a water park? Water park? You're really got to land the K.

I think you're getting lost in the R. Yeah, the odds are brutal. Because we don't pronounce them. And you're not making it to the K at the end of that. Yeah. Water park. Yes. That sounds like a water park employee.

Oh my God. Do you know what my name is? Claire Parker Can I hear that? Hey Claire Parker Okay, wow What an ugly name coming from it Hey, hey what a pleasure to see you, Claire Parker

That's very King of the Hill Like I feel like you're taught English from King of the Hill Hey, would you like to buy some propane? I was getting more Kermit the Frog My head it was Tiger Woods But you know Really, we've all got a different take then Yeah, that's right

I'll never listen back to this. I'm sure you were more accurate than me. Yeah, but I think Wisconsin, I'm assuming you are in the pocket of Wisconsin tourism, but you are doing a good sell. Thank you. Thank you so much. That's our one advertiser. The state of Wisconsin.

So, yeah, Wilson continues about her public works program across the Empire. It was mainly concentrated around the era of Thebes. which is like the theological and dynastic center of the Thadi dynasty. And she built a network of imposing processional roadways and sanctuaries. At Dei El Bari, which was named, you know, many centuries later. I don't know what she would have called at the time, which was just across. I hate to interrupt, but this sounds a lot like FDR. And in my country, America, we loved that guy.

Oh, yeah. But he famously built roads and stuff. And we like, that was as good as it got for us. And we had one guy. See the one in the wheelchair? Yep. Yep. Who was in the Annie musical?

Yep. Yeah. I think he adopted the little girl that our America's princess, Annie. But yeah, he built a lot of roads and we loved that about him. We had one guy who was going to build roads and he was the only one. We've gotten not a road since. But I'm just saying, I think people might have really loved that about her. In our country, we live.

love it when people build roads. Oh, yeah. I mean, yeah. I mean, you invented cars, right, basically. You made them what they are. And what would they be without roads? That's so true. But infrastructure, people love an infrastructure project.

It gets people employed. That's right. It's connecting communities. It's great for the economy. Yeah, everybody wins. So she's that. She's that. Yeah, that's right.

She's made, you know, in a prosperous era, you can just, like, hoard the cash or you can spend it. You can hire 850 Orsmen to tell a useless monument if you won. Yeah, I imagine they were all getting paid really well. I forgot about that bit. Yeah, so she's getting stuff done. And apparently, her magnum opus, the thing she's most famous for was an immense memorial temple used for special religious rights connected to the cult that would guarantee had he perpetual life after death. So this is a bit of, this one's for me.

My big magnum opus building, that's where I'm going to be buried. And, yeah, it will guarantee my afterlife. I forgot that she has a final afterlife. This is a road for you, and then the big building, that'll be my thing. But yeah, I'm building a road so you can come and say hi to me in death, you know. You'll be able to get their easy. Trump, and he did something similar. Yeah, that's right.

So she's kind of a Trump FDR hybrid. Which is, I mean, if you could get another one of those, they'd win in a landslide, wouldn't they? Trump should try sitting down. Okay. For the imagery. So, yeah, this temple, pretty sick. Tildersley calls it a famous example of creative architectural exploitation of a site. Oh.

Isn't that high praise? Incredible. A-site. I'm like, bloody hell, Tildersley. And is it, is it still around and at all? Any bits of it? Yes, it is. It was sort of, it was kind of lost and uncovered and they've worked at putting it back

together a little bit. Wow. Because it's still there. Yeah, I think it's seen as one of the wonders of the ancient world or whatever. Cool. Or whatever. Or something. Oh, you know, like whatever.

It's no Wisconsin Dells, but. Yeah. That one's going to stand the test of time. So, yeah, of this building, I'll just read a couple of paragraphs of Wilson about the site. Dramatically sited at the base of towering limestone cliffs, the temple, which is regarded as one of the architectural wonders of the ancient world. Oh, my God. Or whatever. Or whatever.

I went off script and it was fucking right there moments later. Anyway, and it is approached through a series of terraced colonnades, colonnades. and courtyards that appear to ascend up the very side of the mountain. Despite the enormous scale of the complex, and I like how she puts it in terms of can understand, roughly the length of two and a half American football field. Its overall impression is one of lightness and grace, unlike the fortress-like temples of her predecessors.

They're a woman's touch. A bit of a light of touch, beautiful. The temple's lower levels featured pools and gardens planted with fragrant trees. How they would know that. I don't know. Super-sized images of Hattie were everywhere. Some 100 colossal statues of the female pharaoh as a sphinx guarded the processional way. Lining the terraces were more images of the ruler, some more than 10 feet tall,

in various devotional attitudes, kneeling with offerings to the gods, striding into eternity, or in the guides of Osiris, god of death and resurrection. Miraculously, a number of these statues survive. Most are massive, masculine, and meant to be seen from a distance. That really That made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up It sounds really cool Wilson has a way with words

Meant to be seen from a distance Oh my God Fantastic It looks like bullshit up close But take a step back And you will love it Yeah Is she sounding like any other presidents now

Someone who's just made So many monuments Right That's a big one Yeah There's a few lines Yeah, and there's so many places called Lincoln. He probably didn't do that himself, but Lincoln's big.

Oh, yeah. Especially the statue of the big Lincoln. Oh, my God. And that one looks good from afar. You go far away and you look at it and you go, okay, now I can see the whole thing, and that's nice. The first I heard or saw of that Big Lincoln was the twist for the Mark Woolberg Planet of the Apes, where it's a... We're in the chair was actually an ape instead. An ape, yeah.

It was Abraham Lincoln. Which is, it's so crazy that that film was panned. That is good stuff, I would say. But anyway, sort of coming towards the end here. So yeah, I probably don't think she's a vile ambitious usurper that some suggest. But she was obviously somewhat ambitious. You know, you're likely, unlike her to find yourself in her position. without a bit of drive.

And she was... I will say that's not even true. She was born to the king. Yeah, yeah. She was born to the king, passed up twice, and then there was a baby next to her. How ambitious do you have to be to usurp a baby? Yeah, she had to look over and go,

oh, fine. I mean, I don't know if I would have. Like, oh, it sounds like a lot of pressure. I think he's got it. I think he's doing great. Look at him. I think he's advanced, actually. I think it literally is more work.

to take care of a baby than it is to usurp a baby. She just didn't want to have to look after him. She's like being a mother of... I think it seems like anyway, she was good at, you know, background politics and diplomacy and that sort of stuff, as Cooney writes, she was a master at cloaking her political ambitions in a veil of ideology, taking the onus of any power grabs off herself and calling her actions simply the will of the gods. But also, she may have just believed this stuff, right?

You've brought up believing that the gods are controlling everything. You're brought up saying, yeah, your dad's the son of God. Yeah, she talks to God every morning. You probably fully just believe it, right? Yeah, why would she be a master manipulator? Her dad was like, the pharaohs chose, like, you're the Pharaoh. I picked you, you're the God. And then everyone was like, no, you're not.

She's not manipulating them into thinking it's true. She's like, no, this is like for real. I know God. I literally just talked to him. Yeah, exactly. he said it You know, not in so many words But it was a vibe thing

There was a whisper Yeah Yeah, I could tell what he meant He meant, yeah I'm basically his son now Yeah I think Is that right?

Yeah So yeah Anyway Yeah Cooney was probably a bit more pessimistic about it all But yeah Talks about how

You know She showed herself in temple scenes In Nubia And Elfantime I'm so sorry About the pronunciation of these and Thebes interacting directly with the gods as no regent or God's wife of Amun ever had before. Egyptian elites, I mean, no wife of Amun had ever been Pharaoh before either.

So it feels like it's not like for like. Yeah. She's breaking the glass ceiling, guys. Give her a break. Yeah. Egyptian elites had never before seen the gods wife of Amun depicted so large, so close to the gods, performing rituals that normally only the king had power to perform, which, I mean, she was the king.

So I don't really know why that, why they've said that. But anyway, I probably shouldn't have, I shouldn't be voicing those weird opinions for me. Tiddlesley, I've said Tiddlesley's name different every time, but anyway, Tittlesee. There's a new one, I love it. There's a seventh way I've pronounced their name. They write that had he never explained why she took the throne

or how she persuaded Egypt's elite to accept her new position. But it just seems like she, you know, it made sense. That's probably how she was like, come on. I'm already doing the job. Yeah, I'm like, yeah, you're right. However, an essential element of her success was a group of loyal officials, many handpicked who controlled all the key positions in her government. But yeah, she's obviously pretty good people, personal or whatever.

One of her loyal officials was a guy named Senin Mutt. He had a strange career getting involved. Like his entry into life as an elite was being Hattie's daughter's Tudor. Oh. And he was a climber. Yeah. That's a good way in. He's not born into that.

No. And Hattie obviously liked him because from Tudor, he went on to gain 93 different titles, including great steward of Amun, who was the god of Thebes. So yeah. 93. You couldn't even remember your own title. Yeah. That's a lot of.

of titles. A lot of titles. Imagine having to write those down on a form. It gets rejected every time that guy is not getting a visa. He's no visa for him. He just can't remember his username. It's one of these. Oh, it's too long, too long.

So he wasn't a royal himself, but he, as he got more power, he started getting monuments built honoring himself as well, which was apparently a bit unusual. For a tutor. Yeah, just for a... For a pleb. And can I say public school teachers, they deserve every monument they get. Yeah, that's right.

Rise them up. Preach. I'm a son of one. Unionize, buddy. Yeah, big union man, my dad as well. All right. If he's listening. Workers of United.

Whatever. Anyway, if listeners want to take anything out of today's episode, unionize and visit those Wisconsin water parks. Corridorhistory.com Some have suggested Senamut might have also been Haddy's lover but little evidence exists

to support this claim Well the 93 title It doesn't stop a lot of people suggesting it As well as The Secret Lover Theory Some Egyptologists in the 20th century believed that he was actually the one pulling all the strings behind the scenes

Well I mean There must be a man here somewhere That's exactly That is exactly what they said In 1961, historian Alan Gardner wrote, not even a woman of the most virile character could have attained such a pinnacle of success without masculine support.

Wilson writes that Gardner has now been largely discounted by experts as a woeful underestimation of Hattie. But it is very funny. I mean, obviously, there would have been men supporting her as well because, you know, you can't be king with no support. support at all. Yeah.

If everyone's against you. The whole country. Yeah. God's a man, famously. Yeah. And that's the key for all the male pharaohs as well. Like he's going, he's leaping to the, the, um, conclusion that that means she couldn't have any power at all.

And she's just a puppet, which is, anyway, they've, uh, discounted, uh, gardener's thoughts, uh, pretty, um, con, con conclusively. I've had an hour and a half sleep, by the way. Normally I have a huge vocabulary. One of the best vocabories. So, wait, where am I? Oh, yeah. I said we're coming up to the end, but we are last few pages,

and my font is very big. I am waning. I'm really impressed with all this research. Yeah. I feel like having to have multiple sources is so difficult. We have like one thing, and then we're like, don't ask us a second question. And it's not in the book, we won't address it.

Yeah, great. Which is so funny when you did, the episode I was listening to was about John Mullaney's ex-wife. And the book doesn't address John Mullaney at all. No. Which has got it, that's got a, the publisher must have been, come on, please. Well, the one I was listening to on the drive-in was about flee from the red hot chili peppers, which he says he mentions the band with what two or three pages to go. Yeah.

I've been so annoyed. And he's like, and then I made a, met a guy who had a pretty funny idea about lyrics. Where would this go? And you're like, wait, no, that's what I showed up for it. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wow, whoa. That's a cliffhanger. Hold on another chapter.

Another chapter. Please, a bit more. So how long did he spend on his first three years of life in Melbourne? Because I think he was born here, wasn't he? A lot, like 100 pages. Oh, really? I consider him an Australian celebrity because of how much he gave to Australia in his book. That guy, I would have assumed he would not have paid any year.

Yeah, I thought it. wouldn't even remember. Wasn't he like three or something when he left? Yeah, but like, you know, you say that he references himself as I feel proudly Australian and things like that. Really? I think of him as the most Californian man in the world. He loves his grandma.

She was from Australia. Gotcha. So, uh, Tiddlesly, again, that's another one I think. Uh, writes, traditionally Egyptian kings defended their land against the enemies who lurked at Egypt's borders, but Haddy's reign was essentially a peaceful one. Peaceful. prosperous. It was just a great time to be in a jihad. Women should be president. Yeah, all the time. It sounds like it went really well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it seems to have.

Sounds like things were never better. And yeah, her foreign policy was mainly based on trade rather than war, which was a bit of a change-up as well. But there were, there are scenes on the walls of one temple in Western Thebes that suggests she did have a, a, short, successful military campaign in Nubia early in her. Okay, so she even whack at war crushed it, got bored, moved back to peace. Like, what could this lady do? She showed I can do that if I want. Yeah, I'm just not in the mood right now to have war. And the biography writes, and I don't know if this is, I don't know if she went the right

way here, but it writes, unlike other rulers in her dynasty, she was more interested in ensuring prosperity and building and restoring monuments throughout Egypt and Nubia, then conquering new lands. I don't know. Or be at till the soil at home. Yeah. Be happy with what you've got. What you want is in your own backyard.

I learned that early. Is that why you left New Jersey? Well, yeah. Well, I left my backyard, but I could see New York from my backyard. Yeah. But it was, it's a metaphor. You can't. I carry it with me spiritually.

I'm all the way with you, big time. So, yeah, big inner trading. One great trading expedition that seems to be a most famous one. It's the one that's referenced in every article you read, which is funny. When you read one article, you're like, oh, they're just summarizing all these great things. And then you read 10 articles, and they're just slightly differently worded versions of the same. They're like, they don't know that much about this woman.

I don't think, yeah. But anyway, one great trading expedition during a. arrayed, uh, rain was to a land called punt, which no one knows exactly where it was, but, um, some think it, it's in modern day Eritrea. Um, and there are reliefs, those sort of, you know, uh, sculptures made about, uh, telling the story, commemorating the trip, uh, and Wilson writes that they show the Egyptians loading their boats in punt with an array of highly prized luxury goods, ebony, ivory, gold, exotic animals and incense trees. never reads an inscription

Were such things brought to any king Since the world was Just doing things no one had ever done before Got some good stuff Killing it at trading I wonder it doesn't say what she gave up for that Yeah It was a bad trade

Yeah it was a bad trade She gave up babies And bad heaps of babies Yeah but you can make a new baby They'd never even seen incense Yeah Can I say reliefs sound like podcasts Yes

Kind of the podcast of Egypt The modern relief Tiddlesley writes towards the end of her reign Haddy allowed 33 to play an increasingly prominent role in state affairs and following her death after 20 odd years

on top She was in her 40s maybe 33 ruled Egypt alone for 33 He had a great stint He was apparently also really good But he was more of a warrior He was more of a You know

He went Took it back to war. I don't like that about him. He had, you know, he had 20-something years just to like pent-up aggression. Yeah, thanks to IC. Yeah, get the hit list going. He's like, that's not what I would have done. Trade.

I would have killed him. I'll show you. So her tomb, which he built, which was really sick, obviously, Wilson writes that it was large enough to accommodate both her sarcophagus and that of her father, re-burying him in her tomb was yet another attempt to legitimize her rule. It's believed that had he died around 1458 BCE. According to biography, in recent years, scientists have speculated the cause of her death to be related to an ointment used to alleviate a chronic genetic skin condition, a treatment that contained a toxic ingredient after testing of artifacts near the tomb

has revealed traces of a carcinogenic substance. So this is a theory, but they think that might be. That's so crazy that they're like, oh, toxic ointment for her genetic skin condition. You can't have it all. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, with her death, 33 became Pharaoh. And according to old historian, that guy thought she was a conniving bitch. So we can really trust what this guy's about to say.

Yeah, William C. Hayes said 33 had developed a loathing for Haddy. her name and her very memory which practically beggars description. He's, which is just, he's, you know, he's, he's,

uh, put two and two together, got 17, you know. Yeah. Um, but you, you might,

at the moment you go, what, what's he based on? But you, you, you, you might see his logic, um,

in a second because he suggests that, this is what, he suggests that this is why he carried out the destruction of many of her monuments, basically in an attempt to wipe any trace of her reign from history. He, uh, 33, just, just basically, he, he bricked up around her monuments and statues, knocked down things, smashed it all up. Ah. Weird.

Okay. Isn't like loving. No. So that's, so you can understand William Hayes's idea that, okay, maybe, yeah, he obviously was pissed off and he couldn't wait. But what he doesn't mention was it. He didn't do that just after she died and he was Pharaoh. He did it decades later.

He did it deep into his own reign. So it wasn't like this buildup of fury. It was obviously for some reason. And he didn't really think about it that much old hazy. But yeah, more modern day ones disagree with that, which I'm talking about in a second. But centuries later in 1927, Egyptologist Herbert Winlock witnessed some of the destruction. Wilson wrote, signs of desecration were everywhere. Eyes had been gouged out, heads lopped off.

The cobra-like symbol of royalty hacked from foreheads. Wynlock, head of the Met's archaeological team in Egypt, had unearthed a pit in the Great Temple Complex at Der El Bari. In the pit were smashed statues of a pharaoh, which of course was hady, the images had suffered almost every conceivable indignity, he wrote, as the violators vented their spite on the pharaoh's brilliantly-chiseled smiling features. To the ancient Egyptians, pharaohs were gods.

What could this one have done to warrant such blasphemy? In the opinion of Winlock and other Egyptologists of his generation, plenty. Winlock wrote that 33, quote, could scarcely wait to take the vengeance on her dead that he had not dared in life. It's basically like he was scared of her, but as soon as she died, he really messed up. It's such a cowardly thing, be like, say nothing in life, but then when she's gone, yeah, and then you start chisling her face off. 20 years later.

I got it. Just punching a statue, but we could do what I would have done to her if I saw her now. I would do this. Yeah. And I would do this. I would kick her. And then she walks in the rooms.

Oh, hey, how, howdy? Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. I was just fixing up your tomb. I thought you were dead. But yeah, like I say, more modern scholars don't really believe in that anymore. As Tittlesey writes, um,

rather than an act of vengeance, Now it seems like 33 was just ensuring that the succession would run from 31 through 32 to 33 without female interruption. That's all he was probably doing. And this was, which seems that, you know, that's weird. Well, what does that matter? It's hate female interruption. Yeah, yeah. We love it.

Jump in at any point. So I should have said that. Yeah, we've been shy. Sorry. So, yeah, but the idea is basically to avoid anyone disputing his or his son. And he didn't name him 34, disappointingly. He named his son Amonhotep I'mon. He named his son Amenhotep the second.

And yeah, he was basically like, I'm doing this to make sure no one goes, yes, after he dies, your son, oh, he shouldn't be a ruler. He's come through this woman. chain. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was the idea, apparently. God forbid a baby come from a woman. Yeah, so it's amazing, but he was so successful in erasing her from history.

She was basically raised for, you know, millennia. Going a little further than this, Egyptologist Peter Dorman believes that Haddy's unconventional reign may have been too successful, a dangerous precedent best erased he suggests, quote, to prevent the possibility of another powerful female ever inserting herself into the long line of Egyptian male kings. That's another theory, like why she might have been erased. That was my theory. Can I say if I came in after someone who had led like 20 years of prosperity and peace and my schick was being a soldier, I feel like I'd really want them to forget that they used to not have to go to battle and die. I'd be like, I would

like so gaslightment and be like no we've always been doing this and they're like it used to be really good at people no no no no no no that temple what temple yeah show me the statue that proves what you're talking about that the gaslighting pharaoh but because she she's like literally building this place with gardens and pools and stuff he's like no no that that never happened yeah i didn't what pools do you mean that sand the pools are in Wisconsin yeah yeah um so titers Lee continued news. Haddy sank into obscurity until 1822 when the decoding of hieroglyphic script allowed archaeologists to read the dire al-Bari inscriptions. Initially, the discrepancy between the female name and the male image caused confusion. But today, the thudy succession is well understood. It's sort of undisputed now. The story, as we've told it, is what happened. And Haddy is now recognized as by far the most successful woman to rule Egypt. Egypt as Pharaoh, though it is like unlikely we'll ever know the full story. It's just not possible.

It's lost to time, basically. But information does continue to be uncovered, as Wilson wrote. In 2007, Egyptian archaeologist Zahi Hawass identified a previously excavated royal mummy, which from about a hundred, it was excavated like a hundred years earlier. He's like, this is Hattie. We've had, we've had Hattie. I found it. Yeah. And he fully believes that and some do, but other academics like Catherine Rorig from, I think, American Egyptologist, is like not quite sure, need more evidence. And I think it's still, like this was, you know, 15, 20 years ago, and they still don't know either way for sure.

But History.com writes, it is now housed in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo and a life-sized statue of a seated haddy that escaped her stepson's destruction. So he trashed so much, but this one survived. And it's now on display, as it should be, at the Met in New York City.

Oh my God, we have to go. We have to go visit her. Wait, can I say something? I've seen her then. I've been to that exhibit like a hundred times throughout my life. That was like a big childhood exhibit

and I definitely know, like I can picture her in my mind. I've seen that lady. That's all. That's so good. If you can get us a photo, That would be amazing. I'll go up there. I love learning.

This has been great. Why don't I keep the party... Why don't I go to my secondary source of the Met? You go. Go say hi to Hattie for us. Yeah, we gotta go. I'm going to tap her on the shoulders to see if I can get a story out of her.

Hattie. Go on, spill. What really happened? So before she died, Haddy erected a second pair of obelisks at Karnak. And I figure let's finish today's report with some words from Hattie herself. Because on the inscription it reads, or the, obviously the translation reads, Now my heart turns this way and that as I think what the people will say,

those who shall see my monuments in years to come, and who shall speak of what I have done. That's really lovely, but also so brutal that her stepson tore down all this monument. Yeah, like she did that, yeah, quite late in her rain. She probably knows she's starting to think about legacy and stuff. Yeah, people will talk about me for thousands of years, but then there was that big gap in the middle,

but where she's back now. Yeah, she's back and bigger than ever. Maybe it even helps, you know, because all, like, Toon Carmen apparently was really insignificant. He's only famous because of the discovery and how intact the tomb was and stuff. So this all being discovered in the 1900s, you know, probably help put Hattie on the map maybe.

I don't know what I'm talking about. Trying to put a positive spin on it. I'd way rather be famous now. She's here being discussed on this podcast now. That's exactly what she wanted. We're crushing it. She couldn't have even dreamed of TikTok clips. You said we're the modern day relief.

Here we are. Yeah. Yeah. And what a relief. That is the end of the report. Thank you so much for hanging out and chatting through it with us. It's really great to have a perspective. of some people who live near the Met.

Yeah, that's right. You brought that knowledge with you and also the water parks. We've got to go. Yeah. We don't live near there, but... But we know about it. Neither way. But it has jumped to the top of my to-do list.

Yeah. I'm scrapping weekend plans. I'm heading over. Imagine we could do a live show at a water park. Oh my God, the dream. That's a good idea. The actual dream. Thank you guys so much for having us.

It was so fun. I love to learn about a powerful lady. Me too. Yeah, well, so this was voted on by our patrons. I put up, she actually, she beat Nelson Mandela. Got that, Mandela. Yeah, I put up, and the first woman to scale the highest peak on every continent. Well, Japanese lady.

So, yeah, she beat, and she beat out by quite a distance, those ones. So I knew you, because I know you do celebrity bios. That's why I put up three. So I look through your list. I'm like, I'm going to pick ones that you haven't done. And all the ones I was thinking of you had already done. So I'm like, I'm going to have to think outside the box a bit. Yeah.

We had that considered. Matt had to make sure you hadn't done that. Oh my God. And just the nick of time, it's next week's episode, actually. Oh, this is perfect timing. Now, of course, we can listen to Celebrity Memoir Book Club. every week you've got a new new app coming out but then also if you're in Australia like us

the tour is coming up coming up very very soon the first show kicks off on September the 20th that's in Sydney then you're in Adelaide Brisbane Melbourne and finally Perth on the 29th so you're here for are you here for any time on either side

because it's a whirlwind it's the footwork to go into that footy thing that y'all have I was going to say yeah Katie Perry is going to be there too Oh, what a flop. Wow. What a, like, just like Hattie, a feminist icon. Yeah, seriously.

Somebody whose monuments has been taken down for sure. And so, like, you know when she's rocking up, when Americans are rocking up to do the pregame entertainment at the AFL grandfather, which is, she'll perform in front of 100,000 people. It's a great gig, but it's never acts at the top of their game. I think last year or the year before was Kiss. Oh, my God, to be following up kids. Yeah, I can't.

The most famous one is Meatloaf, who came out about 10 years ago and was so bad. Yes. So bad, so out of tune. Yeah, not there. Who was it? Meatloaf. Meatloaf. He became like basically a joke in Australia. Yeah, it's still like he would still be referenced as a joke.

And he was such a serious artist before. Meatloaf. I saw an interview with him Where it was like The only thing that really pisses me off Is when they put a space People spell my name with a space Between meat and loaf

It's one word All vice versa He has one of those Pharaoh like taped on beards I believe Oh yeah Yeah So masculine

The loaf Um Yeah You're that's so I was about to say Oh you're coming to Australia At peak footie finals time You're not You're not competing

With the grand final are you? Oh no, no, no, no, no. But Ashley used to play the, play that sport. She could compete in it. You could play all the rules? Yeah, tap me in. Uh-huh. Do you know, there's a pro women's league now has been for about eight years, and it's, it's grown year on year.

You should. Yeah, they used to have, they used to have, like, when they would come over to America, they would, like, bring one over for, like, a, like a seminar. Awesome. Oh, that's sick. That's so fun that you played it. How'd you get into it? I love it.

I was, like, drunk, and this girl. said come with me to this thing tomorrow and I said okay that's amazing those two things really go hand-in-hand that's how most players here start as well the 27th yeah that is you it is that's a public holiday well that's our um the day before the game is a public holiday in melbourne oh my god it's a day of work for you so um you could call it afl grand final day public holiday or uh celebrity memoir book club holiday. Yeah, could be either thing. I think of it as both.

They literally, they do a parade through the streets with the two teams on the back of, like, trucks or youth sort of. Oh, but that's our culture too. If you want to get involved in Australian culture, you're coming at the right time. We're so, we can't wait. We want to dive in.

We're hoping to get stuck and never come back. Yeah. You got to do, are you doing a, A different book for each show? We do, so we do stand up at the beginning, and then we do, like, a short essay of, like, a local celebrity that we do, like, an episode. And then we have, like, improv games, like, where are they now? Like, we do hot takes.

We interact with the fans, that kind of thing. It's a whole fun. Yeah, it's not an exact episode. It's like a little live show that looks about. Does it go out on the Patreon or just it lives in the moment? It lives in the moment. Just in case. That's really funny.

fun. That's great. You're going to, that, you should do some AFL footballers. That's a really good idea. That would be very funny. That would be so funny. Beautiful writers. Or Shane Warn, the, an Australian cricketer. Yeah, he, we did an episode on him. I read his book for that. He'd be a fun one for Melbourne. Yeah. He did a lot of, he did a lot of pretty funny and outrageous stuff in his life. Yeah, yeah. He lives the he got, he got banned from international cricket and he blamed his mum. Oh my God. He took a, it was, he was done for taking something that would mask, um, a doping.

But he's like, uh, no, mom gave me a diuretic. I just didn't check. I love moms. I'm so stupid. And I've always. He's like, mom said I looked a bit chubby on TV. So she gave me a diuretic. He's like fully, what is he like 32 years old or something?

He's fully grown man. Like our most famous curricula. He was engaged to Liz Hurley for a, for a bit. God. I don't hurt. He had a non-smoking deal with a like a quit smoking thing and he got busted smoking. You know, like really low stakes stuff, but really fun. I think that would be a very funny thing to talk about live.

Yeah, and everyone knows him here for sure. I love that. It'll be funny. Thank you guys so much for having us. This was so fun. I really appreciate it. Thank you so much. Well, that brings us to everyone's favorite section of the show.

We've said goodbye to the fantastic hosts of Celebrity Memoir Book Club. Thank you, Claire and Ashley. What an absolute privilege it was to podcast. It was so fun. That was our first time meeting, but really enjoyed their vibe and looking forward to catching their live show, which is sold out. So hopefully... Oh, has it sold out now? Hopefully they can get us in somewhere.

Oh, wow. We did our job. Well, that was the Melbourne one in doing, I'm sure that there's probably tickets They're coming to Sydney, Adelaide, Brisbane, Melbourne and Perth I'm sure there's tickets Somewhere around there Definitely, and obviously you can listen to their pod for free

Yeah, which we have been doing it, it's a lot of fun It's a lot of fun Learning, yeah, they just go, it's all, it's bim bam, bam, bam Yeah, they are very well We were even complimented them before we went on hit record Like, wow, listen to your thing It's impressive that how in sync with each other they are It's great

Something that I do regret, Dave, during the episode. I had the thought, and I never set it out loud. We remember our hashtag hot for tut? Yes, from the first 10 episodes at the show. I feel like there's a real opportunity for hashtag hottie for thotty. Thothmus. What a name. A beautiful name.

It is great. And I'm so glad that Eli gave me clearance to misproneternet. because you can't prove me wrong. Anyone, people are going to want to tweet me. Yeah. Hey. Hey. Prove it.

Exactly. As far as we know, all we know ancient Egyptian mummies sounded like was like, Oh. And if you want to prove a song with your time machine, we'd love to go back with you. Oh, that'd be fantastic. Have any of proven wrong with the time machine? Look, I'd also love to go with you in just a normal flying machine, like an aeroplane. If you want to fly me to Egypt.

I'll concede defeat. if you give me, you know, return flights to Egypt. Happy to conceive under those conditions only. I guess it wasn't thought must. Or thought must. Yeah, by the time you come back, you're like, sorry, what are you talking about again? Yeah, what did I say?

Kara was amazing. But anyway, this is the section of the show everyone loves. A lot of people will skip to it. If you have, just skipped to this point, go back and listen to it. That was a really good episode. I reckon it was worth it. For once, it was actually worth listening to the main episode.

I don't think we go that far back in history that often. I think the majority of our history that we focus on is probably in the last hundred years. Totally, definitely. And a lot of that is source-based, isn't it? Yeah, that's right. The easiest thing to, you know, they're most sources. Yes. And it's funny that, like, even if we told that story 100 years ago, which in the length of time since it happened is such a minuscule difference for them, 100 years is nothing because it's, what, 2 and 1⁄2,000 years ago, 3,000 years ago.

but the story has changed so much. Yeah. Well, you know, with our modern interpretation. So who knows what it will be like in another hundred years. Yeah, no doubt.

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go out and purchase all of their stuff all of it all of it sell it out and say Dave sent you actually say Dave Warnocky from Doogon because that might be confusing otherwise Oh and what's Dave's surname

I don't know The first thing we like to do is for people who've signed up on one of the higher levels, the Sydney-Shineberg deluxe memorial package level, or whatever it is called. And people on that level, or above, get to give us a fact, a quote, or a question, or a bragger or suggestion, or really, whatever they like. And I read a few of them out each week. This week I'm reading out four, Dave. You ready for this? Four, hit me.

And each person who sends one in also gets to give themselves a title as well. So the first one is a first time, fact, quote or questioner. Richard Taylor Doyle, R.T.D. RTD. Fantastic. An RTD has given himself the title of expert in raising obscure references from episodes years ago. Love it. Richard, this means a lot.

We like to remember. Yeah. Because we almost definitely will have forgotten. Let's find out. Richard writes, hi, guys, a few years ago. I cannot remember the episode or the year. You sound like you fit right in over here. That's the same as us.

You talked about the title of autobiographies. So I have a question for you all. What would you call your autobiography? I have answered the question also for Matt, the Man of a Thousand Memories, a history of Matt Stewart part one to 10. Or part one of 10. For Dave,

pie in the sky, the unfulfilled dreams of Dave Warnocky. Unfulfilled. Thank you so much. I did. That is brutal. He's worked off from pie. I think he's gone pie in the sky

And that's why it's unfulfilled Okay These dreams are up pine in the sky I don't think he's having a direct jab I think it's really really funny And finally for Jess Bop thumping I got knocked down

But I got up again I was hit by a car Don't you know The rise and fall And rise again of Jess Perkins That's very good That's also the first chapter I reckon

That's fantastic Well I don't know if I can beat that Dave The Man of a Thousand Memories A History of Matt Schult Part 1 of 10. How amazing that this is on the back of the celebrity memoir. Oh, yeah. Perfect. Because they are all about, you know, celebrities that have written their own autobiographies.

For instance, John Mullaney's ex-wife. Yeah. Do you know her name? No. Flea's one was acid for the children is what his book is called. The one that I listen to. Well, that's good. Can you work off that for yours, maybe?

Pies for the children. Pies for the children. Pies for the adults. I really don't think I can beat what Richard's done there. What about something like for me? It would be like Dave Warnocky, like easy as pie. And then it's like a story in 3.14, 159 whatever pages. Oh, yeah.

And then I'm exactly like some sort of pie digit. Yes, I like it. And you should do it in 3.1. You just do a really short book. 3.1.4 pages. Easy. Yeah, that's good. Because I am writing a book.

I mean, I haven't touched it or looked at it for a while, but I still think about it. Yes. Based on a dare that you and Jess gave me on an episode of phrasing the bar. Yeah, we said you're a coward if you don't write this book. And I was actually thinking about it this week. The name of it's going to be something like the history of it. The World Part 1 from A to Ant. That's good.

That's great. And then, yeah, I'm just going to, you know, free ball a history, you know, that's nonsense, basically. But I'm going to be there. You know, I'm witnessing it. Right. But it's just set in an alternative reality where these things have never happened. I don't know. I think it'll be things that have really happened and it'll just me sort of floating through them.

Right. Gotcha. Forest Gump star. As well as I remember it. It'll be like the stipulation. This is, yeah, this is 100% true as best as my recollection allows, sort of thing. So yeah, maybe that'd be it. But I don't know, I think this might be better.

The amount of a thousand memories. That's really good. But. I love Bop's one too. Yeah, bob thumping. Bob thumping. If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear them for what we should call our autobiographies. Yeah, that'd be fantastic.

What a great debut from RTD, Richard Taylor Doyle. Next one comes from Stephen Carter, and Stevens, also known as irresponsible purchaser of brunch. I'll get this. Geez, someone you'd love to head to the cafe with. Yeah, you'd love that. Stevens got a question slash apology writing, Heyo!

Exclamation mark, so I think, I hope I hit the day. that right. Hope you're all well. Thank you. Also exclaimed. Firstly, I was wondering what venue slash city you would regard as the best crowd you have performed in front of, either individually or on pod, which leads me to want to apologize on behalf of the audience at the latest Sydney show.

It was hilarious and my friends and I were having a good old lull the entire time. Matt going off the rails in person is somehow funnier than it is via the iPod, by my pod. Anyway, I hope you enjoyed the big bridge and the pointy house. Keep on, keeping on Stephen. They weren't so bad. I was laying into them a bit. Yeah.

It was all good fun though, wasn't it? Yeah. I mean, yeah, they weren't the best, but they were fine. It was fine. But we have played to some crowds that are like super hot and then you step back and you go. Yeah, so maybe you're slightly more like a more raucous crowd. I think when you look back, you go, it's such a lovely venue.

But the Ritz, this is. The episode that came out two weeks ago, DBTuber, if you've heard that one. And yeah, I think it was a fun show. And it's such a lovely venue, so beautiful. But it is. It's cavernous. It's also during the day, we did an afternoon.

People are having popcorn rather than beers for most of the part. So there's maybe a little bit less of a Saturday night crowd. And it's more of a Saturday afternoon. Like, oh, this is fun, yeah. Yeah. And the highest ceilings is a classic. Yeah. Comedy is always best with low ceilings and all that sort of stuff.

But I don't know. I thought they were a nice crowd. No, I had a great time. I'd love to go there. It's just fun to needle crowds. I do that probably every third live show we do. And also to step into the stereotype of a Sydney person from a Melbourne perspective with a bit of tongue and cheek. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I was just talking. I was making up the stereotype. They're all real estate agents on cocaine. It made no sense. It's the most expensive place to live in the country, that kind of thing. Yeah. And they are all hot. Yeah.

I mean, that was true. That's right. Oh, you didn't remember. You didn't see her. but there was that woman who looked like she was getting up from the bus stop and going straight to a runway. Just did well to keep us on track that day, I think. Hotest crowd, best crowd. What do you think?

Oh, it's a good question. I don't know. Maybe, like I know in one of the live Melbourne ones this year, I think maybe the scream one or something. That was a very warm crowd. Yeah, yeah. That is a great venue, the basement comedy club. Like you're saying, that is the low ceilings crowd right there. People were up for that.

That was a great time. I remember once we did one in Manchester as well, where I was doing an episode on lawn chair Larry. Oh, yeah. I did Plugger that day. I just felt like everything I said from the report they were laughing at. Right. It was like the biggest hit rate of my own. That's just a bit of information there.

Yeah, yeah. That was at the bread shed. I remember that. This is about six years ago. That was, so that was a really fun one. I remember that. We'll never forget the Dublin crowd for our first and so far only time,

but we're coming back next month, or the month after early November, we'll be back in Dublin and just doing the report on U2 and Bono. And again, them comically getting into booing and the energy in that room was just, that was wild. That was fun. Yeah, I think I would say,

we've never, very rare we have a live show that the crowd isn't very warm. Yeah. You know, quite an awful. nice. Yeah, all those UK ones, there were a couple of, the ones that felt lower energy in the UK were the two Monday shows back in. Yeah, it's not surprising, isn't it?

Back last time Jess was over with us. But yeah, that was probably more the day of the week. But they, yeah, it was still pretty fun. I think one of the hottest stand-up crowds that I remember was in Nusa for the road show. And it was just, you know, it was just one of those ones. where it just felt like everything was hitting and like to like a thousand percent. I might be misremembered, but I do remember. You already a 10 minute set goes for 20 because you have to pause and yeah.

Okay, I guess you need to get to the bit. But I mean, in terms of my stand up, it's hard not to think of a crowd that hasn't absolutely been electric. Exactly. You've never missed. Never missed, which is hard because I think you learn a lot. from bombing. That's what everyone says, but I just never bomb.

You've never learned. Never learned a single lesson. Good question though. That is a great question, yeah. But yeah, Sydney, Sydney is fine. And I mean, I also, I laid into Sydney a bit for the life who knew it earlier in the year as well. But they were also fine.

Yeah. I think it's, that's, that feels fun just needling a crowd a little bit. Yeah. Especially when you know that they're a friendly crowd. Yeah, exactly. And they get it. And Sydney can take it. It's such a lot great place.

Yeah. It's like you're jabbing your big brother. We know you're better. It's Tinseltown up there. Thank you so much for that question, Steve. And next one comes from Claire. We should get a... I really think we should be doing a show in Sydney every year.

Yeah, I'm hoping that we'll be back the next year for sure. Brisbane, too. Actually, we are talking... I mean, we're at the end of the episode. We could probably let a few behind the curtain things out here. Yep. But we're talking about maybe doing a proper tour next year, aren't we, Dave? Yeah, hitting up all the places we love and haven't been to in a while.

Yeah, Australasia, maybe first time in New Zealand. Definitely high on the list. And America, obviously, is the other big one. But Dave's even been looking at what, I mean, oh, please fill out the form that Dave put together. Yeah, the do go on international tour mailing this. I shouldn't say international. It's also if you're in Australia on it. Yes.

Or closer to home, please also fill it out. Basically, you tell us where you are in the world and we will email you when we are coming there. And it also, it's just great because we get these little stats behind the scene that says so many downloads in blah, blah. But sometimes it's too specific. Like in, rather than say in Melbourne, it will say Brunswick, like the suburb we're in. And then it will also say Coburg, the one over. Frankston. It's hard to find exactly know the numbers of where people would come to see a live show.

So you let us know. And a listener doesn't necessarily mean someone who will come to a live show as well. So, yeah, fill it out if you would be out for coming to a live show. And this is how we're going to decide where we're going to tour next year. Like, for example, right now I'm looking at it. Then not that many people have filled it out already, but there's already 16 people have told us that they would come to a show in Tokyo. Oh, really?

We get that number closer to 100. Maybe it would be worth our while doing a show in Japan. Oh, man. For example. That would be so great. And then, like, yeah, obviously in America too, that would really help because we are hoping to get there next year. It also helps with showing a promoter on paper. Hey, look.

Yeah, this amount of paper. people said they'd come to a see us in Dallas, oh my gosh, we have to go to Dallas. Yeah, they'll say, oh, maybe I'll reply to this email. Yeah, exactly. Because otherwise they often go podcasts from Australia too hard, but no, we want to get there. But yeah, so please, that's linked in our link tree.

A link tree, which you can find via the do-go-on pod. Instagram's the easiest way to find that. And it takes a minute. You name, you fill out your cities. And that's the other thing. Please follow us on Instagram, probably especially, but also the other social media as well. Firstly, we keep your update and we normally post photos and stuff about the topic during the week, but also, yeah.

Videos from the show now. And yeah, apparently promoters do also look at numbers of followers and they base whether or not they take you seriously or not based on that number as well. And ours aren't super big. Yeah, that's right. A lot more people listen than follow. So please tip the rate. I think it also probably makes easy to get other podcasters who don't know us. Yeah, that's right.

To come be guests on if they're like, oh, they've got a following year. Anyway, next one comes from Claire, aka The Whisperer of the Caves. I like that a lot. Yes, I used a title generator. It's no horse name, but alas, I'm not a horse. Should it as a cave name generator? Yeah, yeah. Very specific.

And Claire has a question writing, Hi, all, I hope everyone is well. Since this is my first fact quota question in a while, it's still impressive. I'm sorry that I trialled off. Yeah. Oh, in a while, okay. Since this is my first fact quote of question in a while,

congratulations to Dave and his family. Oh, thank you. For people who don't know, Dave had some big news. His family banned. we're top of the charts we've gone gold in Sweden yes no

newest family member at the start of the year I've got a lovely little baby now and things are going great so I appreciate that hopefully you're getting some sleep now and to Jess who I'm sure is listening

because she's fine I hope you and your partner have a wonderful life together that sounds sort of ominous yeah that does sound a bit ominous that sounds like you are suggesting she won't be back have a nice life

That sounds like you're putting Jess into witness protection or something. Oh, trying to see what wishes to me. Nothing. That seems to be the end of the paragraph there. Oh, no. But anyway, my question inspired by my six-year-old and a recent visit to the zoo. If you could have any animal as a wild pet, what would it be? Oh, wow.

Assuming it would not kill you and you could keep it happy and healthy. Oh, great. Love that. I added these as my kid was all for people with guard lines. That's great fun. My kid picked, we always like people to answer their questions. Yeah,

yeah. My kid picked the River Otter, native to our area in Sacramento. Oh my gosh, Sacramento, home of the old basketball team, the Kings. Wow,

whatever happened to them? I don't know, but we wish them well. Yeah, we wish them up. Have a nice life. Have a nice lot of Kings. Um, and,

and Claire picked, Sorry, I've lost my spot. Pear, and Claire picked and pear click. The meerkat. Oh, two great, very cute animals. Also, not too big. I learned a fact about meerkats recently.

I think this is right. Apparently they dig a fake burrow or whatever so that like birds of prey that are trying to get them go to the false one. I hope that's right. That's great. Anyway. And then do they like close, like kick the door in Yeah, yeah.

Just sort of track underground. Oh, no. Finally says, cheers. Hopefully we'll see you soon here in the US. So good. Great question. I like all those stipulations because I will stipulate that I wouldn't want to have a wild animal as a pet just because. Having learned from Erica Fleury from Napsa on primates, their North American

in primate sanctuary alliance. It's not a good idea. And I guess I probably already knew that deep down. But if, you know, in a dream scenario, like we're living in a cartoon world or something. Yeah, that's right. And also, because I imagine, like, I think otters don't smell very nice.

Like, if you go to see them at a zoo or something, usually they're in the water and they hold hands. But they're so cute. Yeah. I would, my favorite animal ever is a panda. Panda, that's right. Love to have a panda. But if it doesn't hurt me and it's happy and healthy.

And you're talking about a giant one because you loathe red pandas. Oh my God, there's red pandas. Fake pandas is, I call them as a child. They are very cute. But they're not real pandas. Yeah. It's funny that they haven't had a rename, a name change. Yeah.

But yeah, love a giant panda. I also love, and you do see them looking like they having a nice time as pets. Capi burrows. Oh, yeah, they look cool. I love it. I think I'm going to have to go wombat. Because that is my favorite animal. I love them.

Thick. Yes. I love a chonky animal. A beefy boy. Beefy boy, you know, a thotty. I love a thotty animal. I'm hoty for thotty animals. I think wombat is a good choice because your other ones like a yak or a bison,

which I know you love, but that's hard to have in the backyard. Bison, what a beautiful animal. Or any sort of cow. A cow, maybe a cow in the backyard. You can have that probably. I'd need to get a backyard, but. Yeah, okay. In this world, I also get a yard.

Your council are going to have a real issue. In the end, I just end up with a dairy farm. My dream. Turns out my dream was just to be a dairy farmer. Or obviously, he's a big fan of a non-human primates. So, you know, like an orangutan or something would be so good. But obviously, wouldn't do that to them. Cow, I think, you know.

Cow. I don't know if they can do it by themselves anymore. That might be the most ethical of all of them. Thank you so much, Claire. It's a fun question, though. It is a fun question. But, yeah, panda. And you can, I mean, they also, can they, they struggle to live.

I, because your house and home is made of bamboo. Yeah, that's right. Which was, you know, environmentally very friendly to build out of. Yeah, but they, oh, this is a problem. They have come to be destroying that. No, they're like, worse than a termite on wood. Oh, no, bamboo home. Oh, no, this home has pandas.

Oh, yeah. We got the pan. Panda exterminators in? Great question, Claire. Yeah. I'm going to open up my own mini zoo, which focuses on wombats, bison, cows and orangutans. And I will learn how to say orangutans,

orangutans before I get involved in that. Final one this week comes from Lauren Joyner, aka the titular Lauren Joyner. That's good. Also got a question. Four questions this week. What is your favorite underrated comedy? And second question, what is your favorite unintentional comedy?

Absolutely love watching so bad their good movies and even better when they are not at all supposed to be funny at all. But clearly, I love a dog shit riff. So I trust your comedy recommendations. To answer my own questions, thank you so much for doing so. Yes. Lauren, favorite underrated comedy and favorite in general is Hamlet 2 starring Steve Coogan. What's that? Hamlet 2 with Steve Coogan?

I mean, that's like an AI's come up with something I want to watch. Yeah. It's ridiculous in all the right and wrong ways, and I can't get enough of it. I recommend it to everyone who will listen and also those who don't. I also love all things David Wayne and Christopher Guest, and favourite unintentional comedy goes to Roadhouse, the original, starring Patrick Swayze. It's so ridiculous and it takes itself so seriously. What a fun romp.

I need all action films to have a minimum of three unnecessary flips during fight scenes. And boy, does Roadhouse Deliver? I think I've seen a clip from that. I haven't seen it. That sounds way up your alley. I honestly love that. Favorite underrated comedy? I think maybe Yes Man is one that I think is, I haven't seen a long time.

Oh, yeah. I read the book, Danny Wallace book, but I haven't seen the... Jim Carrey's so good in it. So many great moments. Reese Darby, very funny in it as well. It's like it's quite a, it's quite a cute sort of film. Yeah. Nice.

Zoe Dashanelle's in it as well. It's great. Everyone, yeah, it's real, real funny. Oh, and like, yeah. Everyone in it's really great. The guru in it. I forget what his name, but he's got a real, what's his name?

He's, he's just got a very funny name for a guru. It's like, um, Trent or something. Trent's, that. I'm laughing already. It's not trying. What is it? Terrence.

Terrence. He says, if he's so funny, he's played by Terrence Stamp. He said something like, the mountain won't come to the, no, the mole hill won't come to the mountain or something like that. I got to remember it. But it's good stuff. But it is good stuff. It is definitely good stuff.

Unintentional, I'm not sure, because it is probably pretty intentional, but I love like Con Air. so funny. Oh, yeah. But it's like intentionally funny. Yeah, we love it though. Yeah.

But it's not like a comedy comedy. I can't without notice, I'm not, none is coming to mind of a real unintentional. I'm sort of the opposite to you. The underrated comedy, everything I'm thinking about like, oh yeah,

people like that, people like that. I love the, um, the like cartoon parody shows where they redubbed the voices from the 2000s. Do you know C-Lab 2021? Oh,

I've heard or I haven't seen him. Yeah, I feel like a lot of, a few people probably haven't seen that, but I absolutely love. loved that. And I, yeah. But I don't know if that's underrated.

I think the people that do like it really like it. It's more of a cult thing. So I don't know if it's underrated. I think that counts. But less like maybe less well known than a lot of comedies. And unintentional man, I love her so bad. It's good movie. The most recent one I watched that came to mind is, um, this is also a sequel, Titanic 2.

Oh, that sounds fantastic. And it is written and directed by Shane Van Dyke. Oh my God. Did you know that at the time? Yeah, that's one of the reasons I picked it. I was like, what's he up to? Titanic, do I have to watch this? And yeah, it's great.

Basically, this is the plot. The film is set on a fictional replica of Titanic that sets off exactly 100 years after the original ship's maiden voyage. But due to global warming and the forces of nature, it causes history to repeat itself on the same night, only on a more disastrous, deadly scale. So there's another iceberg.

There's another big wave. Titanic 2 sinks. And did I also say that Shane Van Dyck is also the main actor in it? Oh, yeah, that's what I want to hear. I appreciate that very much. It's a merciful 90-minute run. And really, really so bad it's good. You got it.

Yeah, it's from 2010. I watched it on Tooby, one of those sort of apps where it's free, but it's got ads. Yeah, so. Tubey. Tube is fun to say. All right. Thank you so much to these fantastic facts, quote, same questions, all questions. Lauren Claire, Stephen and RTD, first timer.

Fantastic effort on debut from Richard Taylor Doyle. Next thing we like to do, Dave, is normally coming with a little game, and luckily for us, Eli, who not only suggested the topic, also suggested a little game for us to play at the end here, writing. I also found a page on royal names. Not super important, but just thought it would be fun for you to know since you mentioned one of Hatshepsut's royal titles. And they really go for it.

So I'm going to use this list, which is just a photo that's taken from a book, like an academic book. Right. Yeah, yeah. So, and it's titled, it's a piece. Appendix P, the titulari and other designations of the king. Amazing.

The titulary of an Egyptian king comprises five titles and names. So we're going to, the first five, I guess we'll go with these, and then the last four I'm going to have to make some up. You'll riff some up. Okay. So you want me to read these names out? I would love that. And then you'll sign them a titular title.

Okay, I would like to thank first of all from Lakewood in Illinois. It's Brandon. Brandon wasney, okay, the horace. Oh, that name is written vertically within the palace facade upon which the horace falcon is perched. Sometimes wearing the double crown. The horace falcon on the facade is the writing for the title Horus, and the name can also be written horizontally following the horus falcon without the crown and facade. Oh, right. Do you get a symbol and then the name?

Yeah. I mean, obviously a lot of their hieroglyphics are symbols to us. But I like the idea that you could just sign your name with one little. That's me. Horace. And that's you, Brandon Wozni. Thank you so much. I would like to thank now from Lavington in New South Wales,

our new pharaoh and new king. We bowed down to Jason Smead, aka the two ladies. Oh. And that is the name that follows the title, which refers to the two goddesses of the crowns. Elkab and Buto. Okay. Two, just two ladies.

It sounds like Egyptian bingo. I like it. I'm not. Eli's going to be listening to this going, this is not what I'm. I think Eli knew. I knew. I knew. I knew.

I think he learned. knew where this would go. I would like to think from a location unknown to us, probably deep within the fortress of the moles, possibly beneath the Great Pyramid of Geesea? I'd like to thank Tim Wood. Okay. Now, I don't know.

I'm just reading the words, okay. The prenonem. The premen follows the title, and there's some hieroglyphics there. King of Upper and Lower Egypt. The prenom men. is usually formed with the name of the sun god Ray or Ra and is written within a cartouche.

Ooh. A cartouche. A cartouche. Do you know what that means? Yeah, it's like a... You'd know it because you've watched the mummy. Yeah, I think it'd be honestly, isn't it like... The come up in the mummy? Cartoosh.

Is it a papery thing? Could be. But I think that's... I think the word itself is so good. It doesn't even need to mean anything. Oh, no, it's one of those... That's what I know. My dad has one of these as a necklace that he got in Egypt.

It is a, in Egyptian hieroglyphics, a cartus is an oval with a line at one end and a tangent to it, indicating that the text enclosed is a royal name. Well, there you go. That makes some. That makes sense. That makes some. No. Thanks, Dad.

I would like to thank from Dyer, Indiana. I'm not sure how to say this. It's either J, J, J, or Triple J. Oh. Or double J J J. Or double Jail. Or single double J. single double j a k a k a son of ray

son of ray hey hey hey name follows the it's like a hieroglyphics of like a duck or a goose with like a circle this is a fun game describing horroclimics actually that is a scene from the mummy as well

remember she she's reading from the tablet the book of Aman Ra yeah Ammon Ra and then she can't no Jonathan's reading and he can't quite he goes

it's sort of a lady doing this and then she's dancing and then Evie has to work it out and she's about to get killed. All right. So we are doing that. It is also written within a cartouche. It is the name born by the king before his ascension and confirms to the current dynastic tradition, 12th dynasty. Something, something eight. 12th dynasty Amenemhet, Sestostris, 18th century, Amon Hopeptep, Thutmosis, 19th and 20th dynasties

Sedi and Ramesses Rameses Sorry everybody Ramseys that one I know that one So yeah Son of Ra Son of Ray

I think that I think Triple J got a good one there Triple J you are the son of Ray Ray Ray I would like to thank now From location unknown to us Probably also deep within the fortress of the moles It's Kevin West Well there's one last paragraph here

That maybe Kevin gets saying today following the ancient Greek tradition, we refer to the kings by their son of Ray names, whereas the Egyptians of the old kingdom use the Horace name, and those of the middle and new kingdoms preferred the NSW, New South Wales, Bitty name when mentioning the king by only one name. So I think, what was this person's name?

Kevin West. Kevin is Bitty. King Bitty. King Bitty. Thanks KW, aka Bitty. So good. I think we're all learning here. We've got four more.

Is that right? Yeah, four more. Bringing things closer to home to our capital territory from Canberra. I would like to thank Beck. Beck. All right. I've just found Egyptian fantasy name generators.

An Egyptian name generator. All right. Let's see what comes up here. What is that done? I miss Jess What does this mean? All right. Beck, here we go.

Tespast Peru. Honestly, if you'd read that out before I would be like, oh yeah? Yeah, maybe it is a real one. I don't know where they're generating it from. Yeah. Test basque Peru. Oh my gosh. And Dave, do you want to like give some sort of a background to what that means?

Oh, test basque Peru. I just Googled it. And the first thing that came up was Transformers, of the beasts, because that must have been said in Peru at one point, which it definitely was, because I talked about it on primates. Perfect. Yes. And back is Tesbass, Peru, aka a pyramid that transforms.

Yeah, yeah, that's right. Is that what happened to the movie? That's what happened to the movie. I would like to thank from old Eltona in Victoria. It's Miranda Taylor. Miranda Taylor, aka T. T.E. Mest Nibs. P-E-Mess Nibs.

T-E-Mest Nibs. Okay, let's see what comes up if I Google this. Calligraphy Nibs. Okay, yes. So what's the, this god? This god was, this is actually the first serial mascot that Egypt had, ancient Egypt. Yeah. And because everyone was writing things down, a bit of calligraphy.

Right. They obviously went, well, it's kind of like, they called them Nibby. Nibby. Niby. So is your serial like, the little monkey from Cocoa Pop. Yeah, that's right. Snap, crackle and Pop and Nibby.

Nibby. Nibby was actually the original. Yeah, yeah. Not people, not many of them to know that. King Nibby. King Nibby, aka Miranda Taylor. I'd like to thank from Edmonton in Canada. Thank you to Alex.

Alex, aka Downsea Parneffer. Downsea par nefar. And if I Google that, what does Google Auto-Corps? it too. Oh, no, this is a real thing. Petri downseated par Nepa was an Egyptian Medeje in the

service of Prince Rameses during the late Bronze Age. He served under Rameses during his conquest of southern Canaan, including the siege of Ashkelon in 1205 BC. Wow. And that's Alex. That's Alex.

That's Alex, yes. Great work, Alex. And finally, I would like to think from London Derry in Northern Ireland where we will be not in London Derry we're fortunately we're only going to Belfast but we'd hope to love to meet you in the middle we're going to do our live show there in November as part of our European tour I would like to thank from London Derry as I find the tab again because I was looking up the map Phoebe and David Nugent oh double all right I'll pick two here what about Hissette M Keb and Fakhaina

Fakhina Fokaina Wow Hisset M. Teb. Fakhina. That sounds like a James Bond character. Fakhina. Fakhina. My name is Serena Fakhina.

And James Bond just sort of looks at the camera. Fleming, you are, you're starting to lose it, man. It says the first thing that comes up is validating tests as high school equivalency tests. So how would high school equivalency tests? What kind of goddess and god pairing could this be? The goddess of VCE and HSC. Oh, yeah. Which, too, of London, dairy listeners probably doesn't mean anything.

But that's two of the certificates you can get here in Australia. Yeah. So, there you go. Thank you so much to Phoebe and David and Alex and Miranda and Beck and Kevin and Jiji and Tim and Jason and Brandon. And the last thing we need to do is welcome a few people in our Tripitch Club, Dave. You want to quickly give us a rundown? before you help us bring them in. Yeah, basically this is our Hall of Fame,

where we induct members that have been supporting the show on the shoutout level or above for three consecutive years. You've already had a shoutout, but now a few years later, we're going to induct you forever, put you on the honor roll, put your name up on the wall, put your name up in lights, and welcome you into our clubhouse. It's a theater of the mind. It's whatever you want it to be.

For us, it's a clubhouse. It's a hangout zone. It's a bar. It's a music venue. it's an arcade, it's a movie theater. And also, it means you're only six years away from getting into the TripTrip Ditch Club. Absolutely. Which is still being built.

Exactly. There's another little club out the back, which has an even thicker velvet rope. Oh, yeah. It's thick. It's a thought. Am I using that right? It is absolutely thought. It is a thought rope.

So, Dave normally books a band. I was I did put in a request a while ago to see if you could get the bangles but you said you couldn't, is that right? Yes, it's been very difficult with their people they've kind of said like not everyone wants to do it or everyone's back together so unfortunately I wasn't able to get the bangles

but I have been able to get another great band the go-goes. Oh my God, I love the go-go. very happy to have them. Stoked with the go-goes. Yeah, I knew you would be. That's why I thought I'd let you down quietly because I knew you were very stoked on the Bengals. And what is that original lineup?

Or, you know, is... All of them. Everyone who's ever been in the band. Oh, wow, that's fantastic. It's kind of like when you get inducted to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, you all get an invite. Which they did, didn't they? A couple years ago, I think. Very exciting.

If I'm right. If I'm remembering right. Anyway, and also, just normally behind the bar, serving up a drink. I'm taking over that role. we're serving up a cocktail called Hoti for 30 and it is too hot unfortunately. I put it on the oven. We boiled it up. All the alcohol was burnt off.

Great. And it has remained so hot. So it is just something that I'm so sorry. I'm now trying to do two jobs. I'm also the door person. So if you could just have a little patience with me, I'm really sorry. But yeah, probably avoid drinking the hoti for thawty because it is, it will burn your mouth. You will be having to go to hospital.

I'm back on the door now, Dave. Are you ready? We've got three inductees this week. Yes, I usually hype these people up with some non-week wordplay, strong wordplay. Mid to strong. And we've got three this week. And yeah, if you hear your name, run on in. Everyone else in the club, which is hundreds and hundreds of people now, they're there.

They're in there for life, whether they like it or not. And they like it. And they are cheering you on as well. So here we go. First up from reservoir. You know what? You did both. Because I started reading it because I've been listening to Triple R recently

and they've been doing their membership renewal trial. And they keep mucking it up. So I got in my own head about it because the word is reservoir, right? But the suburbs called, spelt the same, but it's called reservoir. Vore. That's what I'd say. But it got in my head. So I'd, anyway.

From reservoir in Victoria here in Melbourne, it is Alita Trong. Well, if it's not a leader trong, I don't want to be right. Yeah, fantastic. I don't want to be a leader, yeah. Don't want to be Alita Trong. I'd rather be a leader tron. Thank you so much. From Columbia in Moe in the US, it's Andrew Hutchinson.

Hutchinson, the Hutchinson son of a gun. And finally, is M.O. Missouri? We always get trapped up on this. It doesn't matter. I'm in the zone. I can't look it up. Finally, from Somersworth in New Hampshire, I reckon in the United States, it's Angelo del Gducci. Gouducci. Oh, I thought about wearing my Gucci shoes, but now I'm going to decide I'm going to wear my Guducci shoes and look even cooler. He's done it again.

Well done, Dave. And thank you so much to Angelo. Andrew and Alita. Please make yourselves at home. Avoid the drink at least for a while. Let it cool down. But enjoy the fantastic signs of the go-goes. That's right.

When it comes to the drink, your lips should be sealed. They should be sealed. And now they'll be singing their hip. it, our lips are sealed. Thank you so much. You've done it perfectly well. And I'll be in the back of the room. Miss singing it as Alex the seal.

Alex the seal. All right, Dave, that brings to an episode. Anything we need to do before we've built this baby home? Hey, no, no, no. Just to tell people to go to our website if they want to find our links to live shows, Patreon, merchandise, all that sort of stuff. That's do go on pod.com. You can follow us, as we said, and fill out that form.

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