Do Go On - 472 - Prohibition in the USA (with Nick Mason)

Episode Date: November 6, 2024

In 1920 the 18th Amendment to the US Constitution banned the sale and manufacture of alcohol - it didn't go well! Joined by the Weekly Planet's Nick Mason, this was the 4th most voted for topic of Block 2024!This is a comedy/history podcast, the report begins at approximately 12:08 (though as always, we go off on tangents throughout the report).Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodSupport the show on Apple podcasts and get bonus episodes in the app: http://apple.co/dogoon Other important links:/linktr.ee/dogoonpod Check out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Who Knew It with Matt Stewart: https://play.acast.com/s/who-knew-it-with-matt-stewart/ Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasDo Go On acknowledges the traditional owners of the land we record on, the Wurundjeri people, in the Kulin nation. We pay our respects to elders, past and present.REFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:Prohibition: A Concise History by WJ Rorabaughhistory.com/topics/roaring-twenties/prohibitioncato.org/policy-analysis/alcohol-prohibition-was-failurediffordsguide.com/en-au/encyclopedia/536/bws/prohibitionbritannica.com/topic/Eighteenth-Amendmentprohibition.themobmuseum.org/the-history/how-prohibition-changed-american-culture/jazz-and-jukeboxes/britannica.com/topic/moonshinegrunge.com/924152/heres-what-it-was-like-going-to-a-speakeasy-during-prohibition/history.com/news/how-prohibition-gave-birth-to-nascarsmithsonianmag.com/history/during-prohibition-your-doctor-could-write-you-prescription-booze-180947940/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Melbourne and Canada, we got exciting news for you. And we should also say this is 2026. Jess, what year is it? 2026. Thank God you're here. Right now, I'm in Melbourne doing my show with Serengy Amarna 630 each night at the Cooper's Inn Hotel, having so much fun. We'd love to see you there. Canada, we are visiting you in September this year.

If you've somehow missed the news, we are heading up Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal and Toronto for shows. That's going to be so much fun. Tickets for all this stuff, I believe, are online. And I'm here too. Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Warnikey and as always. I'm here with Matt Stewart. Oh, it's so good to be here.

So good to be alive, question mark. Somehow, I forgot to do the output inflection so I had to just whack on a question mark at the end there. Ordoly punctuate your sentences. Hey, Dave, if you think it sounds different, it's because we're in a different room right now. We're still at Stubed-Dil Studios, but we're in a rehearsal space, which is not particularly well soundproof. So we're going to hear trams dinging. The mics don't pick it up, but we'll hear them.

We'll be distracted. We'll let you know. We'll go later. There was one. I don't know if you caught that. And you won't be able to tell us because you'll be listening in the future. And to keep our minds on track this week because we're distracted by trams. We decided to bring in a tram expert.

This week, we are joined for, are you approaching the 20th time? I believe this is the 18th. Possibly the 18th time. Probably 20th have included a couple of bonus episodes. Oh my goodness. Including the molasses, great molasses flood. that you can hear now on Patreon. Yum, yum, yum.

We are talking, of course, about our dear friend, Nick Mason, hello. It's great to be here. I am the furthest from a tram expert you can get. I think if you wanted a real tram expert, you want one of those guys that stands on the tram tracks with a camera as the tram approaches. That's a gunzel. That's what they call them. Is that a term? Yeah.

That's a real term. So it's train spotters for trains and gunsles for trains. Gunsle. Yeah. G-U-N-Z-E-L. It's a little. Tram spotter feels. Do they come up with their own title?

No, so a Gunzel, apparently, I looked it up. So a Gunzel, so in it like, you know, in like an old, like an old, like a mafia movie or like a, like a, you know, a crime film, like in the older days. A Gunsul, G-U-N-S-E-L is like the mobsters henchmen. And they would always put, and in like the, in like the one, those sort of movies that always put themselves in dangerous situations. You know, you watch one of those old detective movies and they're always hanging off like a fire escape and then they, you know. take a few shots at the hero, and the hero, like, shoots them and then they fall off

the virus cap to their death or whatever. So that's a gun, so that's a gun, so that's a gun, like a, like a, like a, like a, like,

they're in the window so. Yeah, come, I, maybe, maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Okay.

We're making history here, folks. Or like the, the trapped up, like, Rapunzel and the only way down is to be shot off. Yeah, yeah. The virus gets exactly right. Repusal,

Rapusel, bring down your hair or else. There will be consequences. Yeah, like a damsel with a, with a gun. Maybe it's like a damsel with a gun. It's like,

but I think the idea is like that a gunsel in a movie always puts themselves in a dangerous situation to like get the shot. And that's what these tram spotters do. They always put themselves like in front of the trams that's coming up. So the people were like,

oh, they're gunsals. And then you see these gunsles and then what do you, do you slow down? Do you speed up? You speed up. You hit them. That really feels like. You make it look like an accident.

They've given themselves the cool nickname. kind of like a Dave Warnocky calling himself Cobra kind of thing. Yeah, that's all right. I can send someone who's giving themselves an email because I've been there. That's right.

It's not cobra, it's cobra. Oh, yeah. He dogs the fangs with his fingers. It did not take off. I'm starting to call you cobra. I appreciate that. It's warming on me. But as I'm here, I demanded,

I was a diva move. I said, can we do it in a different room with no sound baffling? But you wanted natural life because I actually got a window out to the street in this. That's why it's a bit less soundbr of this room. Yeah.

No sound baffling part. A lot of me being baffling. You've given me everything I wanted. You've given me a glass of water shape like a skull. You've given me, without exaggeration, 50 feet of microphone cable if I want to go walk about. So that's fun. We bought this kit to be live ready. We didn't know how.

We bought it years ago. We could have been at the MCG by now. We didn't know. Now, you might be wondering where Jess is this week. And can we all to say in unison, she's fine. She's fine. She's absolutely fine. Sorry, James, James.

James, Moes was underway and so am I. I'm also not even here. I'm not even here. I'm recording remotely. We have 50 feet of cabling and then I'm on a Zoom call in the other room. I'm so sorry to call you James. I must infuriate you. I used to get Tom, my brother's name all the time as a kid.

And he's not even on a podcast with you. So that's embarrassing. No, we get it all the time. James and I, of course, do a podcast called The Weekly Planet. and we very regularly like get stuff attributed to the other guy. It's always like, James said that. And I'm like, I said that. How do you?

I said that fun joke. I said that good joke. I said that a live off. I said that fun joke where I did a stupid accent. I said I did the funny voice. How do you? You know? So that's fine.

You get used to it. Yeah. I don't think of you two as similar at all. So it was weird that I did it. But we posted it last month. We posted a clip of last time. on and a lot of comments, maybe nearly all the comments were people saying, that's, it's so weird seeing the voice coming out of their face.

We recently did, not to plug another podcast on this podcast, but we recently did Alexei Tollipolis's podcast, the last video store, and it's us on video for an hour. And there are so many comments that are like, those guys look weird. Those guys look weird talking. They don't match the picture. No. Why? Because James, the first time I met James, I think it was even at his house and it was, I was

stalking him and I don't think he met his strong work he didn't have his um his photo online at the time yeah and so I just filled in the blanks and I my picture was basically him only had a long blonde surfy like hair oh that's beautiful he wishes but he looked so similar like he looked very similar how he looks but just with like long shoulder length bleach blonde hair wow and he shook it he was always shaking the sand out of it yeah absolutely sure yeah that's right before every podcast just come up from the surf. Put his surfboard in the corner and then shake his hair out and then be like, now there's a new Spider-Man movie.

Let's talk about it. Ben, new-kne-koo-kne-k-k. That's exactly how it was. Hey, Dave, what are we doing, though? We are not here to talk about James.

But we do like it. Maybe he'll make the Block vote next year. We are here to do the fourth most requested, most votable topic of Block 2024, which may say, just in case you're not familiar with Block. I'm familiar with Block. I know. Well, pretend that you don't.

So, If people are tuned in for this topic, they know. What's block? I'm dumb. What's that character? The movie character who's like the window or whatever? That's you. What?

For the people watching, is it a term? I think you meant an actual guy like Mr. Window. I thought he's talking about the Guns Hill again. Oh, yeah. The, the audience surrogate? Surrogate. I'm the audience surrogate. I'm just like you.

I'm stupid. You're the Everyman. And so every man, what block is? we take it in turns every week to a reporter on topic. We do that year round, 52 weeks a year. But for the most joyous time of the year, blockbuster-tobos slash Blu-Vemba, which is what we're up to now,

Matt puts out a big poll of our most requested topics, our biggest, baddest topics. And then thousands of people have voted, and we've been doing a countdown for the top nine this year because there were nine weeks in October and November. And we're up to number four, almost on the podium. Oh, yes, that's right, yeah.

This is very, very exciting. This is whatever is below bronze. Yeah, wool? It's probably the worst position to be because you've just missed out on metal. In primary school, it was the athletics carnivals. It was the four got ribbons. Yeah. And I think it was blue ribbon for first, red for second, green for third and white for fourth.

Oh, okay. No, do I involved? Yeah, the cheapest one. Very cheap. Yeah, it was just off cuts. Didn't even say it's just a piece of cloth. And I think those fourth place ribbons are why my generation can't afford a home. I think that's what people say.

That's right. But anyway, yes, that's right. So this is the fourth most voted for topic. It got a huge chunk of the vote. As all the ones we're going through did it, they vary from like 29% of the vote all the way to 24% of the vote. There was like about 300 in the list. No, no, no, they were over 400.

Okay. 400 on the list. It took matter full day to put the poll together. It's good to know there's always interesting stuff left, though, isn't it? Yeah. Like, imagine if you did a block to over one year and there was, there was just like three left and you're like, we've got three more wigs and then there's no more stuff.

We start going back and we're like, you did a block episode about Ninja Turtles once and we're now doing Raphael. That's really hone in on Raphael. He's bad, he's rude, but what makes him tick? And if you're wondering about the maths there,

you can vote for more than one topic. So this one, more than one and four people wanted to do this one. Yeah, about one and, you're just over, I think, one and four. Amazing.

So you know what's going to be big. Oh, it's going to be big. Oh, we always start with. the question now because we've had to divvied up usually we have no idea me matt and jess what the other's going to talk about but i know because we've had to divide it up so i thought matt you could ask the question to mason yes yes yes because he actually has no idea i could guess mano e mason there we go uh all right

the question is and i know you you're a big american afile oh yeah uh question is what was the 18th amendment to the u.s constitution oh no i know the guns won and that's guns are cool yeah and then there's guns Yeah, that's exactly The guns are cool Respect your parents That's an amendment I think

Parents are cool Yeah, one of their mother and father That's the one is one of the ones That is something isn't cool And they banned it Oh, it's not cool Yeah Dancing plagues

They banned the dancing plague No more dancing plagues No thank you Trucks Oh yeah Remember when they banned trucks Yeah, okay No, this one, this one didn't last for, it last.

Oh, is this, is this prohibition? It is prohibition. Whoa. Whoa. Well done. Wow. Beep, beep, beep, brim. Bamp.

Bamp. Whimp. I didn't know. You're also a man of a thousand noises. I got some noises. Oh, I got some noises. I got a number of voices that represent our shared listenerships. I'll listen to do go on.

I listen to the weekly planet. Uh. Anyway, sorry. It was it. But you were talking about gangsters before, and they're heavily involved in this. I was so excited when he brought up gangsters. I was so excited. I was thinking, he doesn't know.

He doesn't even know what that's going to be about. So it's been suggested, of course, by a lot of people, including Sophie from Melbourne, Chris Lashke from St. Louis, Missouri, Jack Taylor from Brisbane, Steve from Adelaide-ish, Sam Douglas from Adelaide in South Australia. Obviously, they're very fascinated with it over there. Liz Lafiva from Dallas, Texas, Jay Swan from Milwaukee, Wisconsin, Kevin Wright from Long Island, New York, Aaron Wolf from Daytona Beach, Alex and Megan, Alex and Megan. That's their state slogan, so I like to say it to them because I relate to them on that way. I stay weird, they stay weird. Well, I'm very normal.

Yeah, you are. Thank you. How good is this name, Aviva Wolf Manus from Baltimore in Maine. Maryland. Aviva Wolfman as well. Emmy White from Albuquerque in New Mexico. Love your work, Emmy White. A regular contributor to The Who Knew with Matt Stewart Show.

Wrights sort of specializes in weird headlines. Must work in weird news. Yes. Rights for Ripley's believe it or not. I think she actually just finished a doctorate in so like, oh wow. That's it. Overqualified for the role. Anyway, Tori McCleskey from Brooklyn in the United States and Keith

Ross from Cork in Ireland. So yes, before I talk about America's Prohibition, I'm going to head back a century or so to talk about why it came about. I should have, in hindsight, written about Prohibition and then said, oh, do I need to, you know, expand this out any further? But no, I started from way before. He started with the Birth of Christ. I wrote a full report and liquor hadn't even been invented yet.

Water had been wine, yeah, that's true. That's true, yeah, that's where I got up to. And people are like, there's got to be a better way. We can't all channel God's energy into a water or whatever. Yeah. Or can we? Maybe we can. Maybe we can.

Yeah, we get Jesus working one of those like Henry Ford style factories. Oh, a assembly line. Yeah, yeah. It just him standing an open factory. That's the sound of him turning water in wine. Foot. Foot. So, Jesus, we're going to need to pick up the pace here.

Do you have any mates who can also do this? Can your disciples do this? Because we get 12 of them going along in a line. We could speed this up. We do a slab every, you know. We won't 24 of you. Do a slab at a time. Think about it.

Think about it, Jesus. Anyway, so yes, I'm going to go back about a century, talking a bit about why it came about. Read a book, both with my ears and my eyes, called Prohibition of Concise History by historian W.J. Roorabow. And I'm going to quote from Roarabow a little bit. I love that. Rorabow writes,

After the American Revolution, a plentiful supply of cheap, untaxed whiskey made from surplus corn on the Western Frontier caused alcohol consumption to soar. Whiskey costs less than beer, wine, coffee, tea or milk, and it was safer than water. That's a dangerous combo.

It was. Americans couldn't get enough of it. Um, yeah, safer to drink than water is pretty wild. And, and obviously it plays a big role in it. In the late 1700s, water was dangerous. And still is to this day. Yeah. A shout full of sharks.

Piranhas. Paranas, exactly. Wow. You can drown. You can drown, even if there's no shouts of piranhas. Yeah, water will just kill you by itself. Yeah, we should ban water. Has that ever been banned?

I don't think it has. That's a good point. We're going to write a letter to the president. whoever that might be. Yes. As Anastasia Miller and Jared Brown write for Diffords Guide, which is like a great resource, but it is,

it's all coming from the alcohol angle, like they're from the lovers of alcohol. Oh, right, big alcohol. I wish there was a name for that. Somebody just loves alcohol, they can't get enough of it, you know? If it controls their lives. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, maybe we'll coin one by the end of the episode. Yeah. But anyway, Miller and Brown. Friends to booze. Oh, my God. Yeah. Friends to the booze. Friends to the booze.

A bit of a taboos, though, isn't it? Is that? That's the kind of joke I reckon I could write for Frazier. You know? Can you imagine Frazier saying that to Niles? I think we've got a hit on our hands. I think they're coming back for a new season, right? Are they?

I might send in a package. Just like a package of soaps and stuff saying, let me write for you. He likes caviar. Oh, Kaviar. Send him a fancy. Cavier and soap. Yeah. So Miller and Brown were talking about how water was bad news back then,

but they are very pro-alcohol, I should say that. They said that water would carry things like typhoid, cholera, e-coli, and dysentery. None of those are good. No. No. Especially when you got a whiskey, just there, you know? Yeah. I know one of them.

Is that the kind of thing that will be picked up on a microphone? Oh, doubtful. certainly not going to go for 20 minutes until that guy comes and turns his car alarm off Yeah, there is a very late car. He turned it off quite quickly. Does anyone find it fascinating that car alarms still exist?

Like, what? Have you ever heard of car alarm? You better investigate that. I better go check on my neighbour's car. You saw us all jump to action, didn't you? Hey, are you still in that car? It's more like, oh, dick, Ed, turn your alarm off. That's all you do.

I'm trying to sleep. Is there a place on this car I can kick it so the alarm will switch off? My first car had one. It just, you know, it was like a fourth-end car. I just had one and an immobilizer on it. And it would go off regularly in the middle of the night. No one was stealing that car.

But I'm living in the bungalow at the back of my parents' place. And I woke up so many times just leaping and sprinting out the front with the game. I'm so sorry, everybody. I don't know how to stop it. I don't know where it is. It's in the car somewhere. It's coming from inside the car. So anyway, yeah, so water was bad.

And this wasn't a recent development of people were drinking alcohol to avoid dangerous water. Miller and Brown continue from Shang Dynasty China through to the Age of Enlightenment. Humans knew that a cup of wine, a tumbler of beer, a dram of spirit could keep your digestive system intact and help you live past 30. The simple fact was that humans began to live long. after the discovery of fermented and distilled beverages. This does sound like the tobacco industry writing a bit of cigarettes. Honestly, the only way to get a cool, refreshing feeling and live past 45 is to smoke. Marlborough red.

It'll fix whatever alias you. Moulbara red. At the dawn of the 19th century, when water was downright dangerous, the average American consumed about seven gallons of spirits per year, consisting mostly of rum, brandy gin and whiskey. I don't really know what a gallon. But I know it's a lot of, it's like about three liters-ish. Yeah, I don't, I don't think, you know, you probably would need more water than that in a year, though, more than seven gallons. Seven gallons, that's on average.

An average American, I assume that includes babies. Oh, yeah, that'll, yeah, they need less. They have less. So, yeah. They need a thimble a bit on their gum. Yeah, they need a thimble fully at the day, I think. A little mark cup. Yeah.

Hit me again. Hit me again, Mama. I'll let you know what I've had enough. Rourabow writes, by the 1820s, the average adult white male drank half a pint of whiskey a day. All right, that's, all right. That's a bit. A bit. So it seems, yeah, while whiskey was less dangerous in water, it had its own issues.

Name one issue. Yeah, with drinking half a pint of whiskey a day every day of your life. It's just like it was standard. People were at work. Everyone was just drunk, cool, and talk. But it's the standard thing. It was the only way to live past 35. Yeah.

And yeah, there were negatives to that. Rawbrow rights. Liquor corrupted elections. Wife beating and child abuse were common and many crimes were committed while the perpetrator was under the influence. But also the people who were having the crime done to them were under the influence. Sure. The shopkeepers being robbed. But he's also drunk.

Yeah. The cops arrive. They're drunk. And everybody's living past 35. Yeah, that's right. Who's to say whether it's bad or not? Time flies, though, because you just having such a good time. It doesn't feel like you live in that long.

But anyway, all this led to a big backlash, especially from evangelical Protestants. And they began to organise around their opposition to the demon drink. At first, the target was just spirits. They wanted Americans to focus on less alcoholic beverages like beer and wine. Like, just make the switch. They take the healthy option. Drink, you know, half a liter of beer a day.

Ah, right, trying to ease them off a bit. Yeah. But unfortunately Suck on a cocaine lozange instead, you know? The healthy option prescribed by your doctor. Yeah. You know? Just take the edge off.

They, um, yeah, exactly. Like everything was, every medicine was crazy back then. Yeah, opium. It's good. Get off that uncle. That was the slogan on the photo. Opium, it's good. No downsides here.

Opium never gave you cholera. That's right. So they, um. Opium. All the things they said about. out, but whiskey is, it's the same. They're still good, just as good. We'll steal your slogans.

What are you going to do? Yeah, they wanted people to get off the whiskey, but whiskey was so much cheaper and readily available. Like, beer was not as available in country towns and stuff. If you wanted it, it was in the cities. Wine was only really big in California by the sounds of it. You know this as a beer man, Matt. Has beer always been physies?

Or it used to be flat beer Yeah I don't I think it Oh man Alright because you'd be harder To transport And keep

Because I'm like You know like Fresh Old English aisles And stuff Real aisles They're not fizy They're not

They're not They're thick Yeah They're hand pump Yeah Yeah Like a syrup Like meat and stuff

Like going back To those old school ones Yeah right I assume That's all just Sort of flat Flatish Okay right

So you can slam it down Fast That's right That's right low on the fizz. So you're going to slam it down fast. Do you remember that ad, Dave? I loved it.

Such a good ad. And wasn't it? It was like Joel Creasy's dad. Oh, yeah. It was the solo man. Yeah. That's amazing. Very cool.

That means someone had to be. Yeah, that's true. Why not Joel Creasy's dad, you know? Why not? If he didn't do it, somebody else would have stepped up, you know? I would have. Yeah. I was actually, I was about to put my hand up.

I was actually pretty P-Oed. Picked. Just the post by Joel Creasy's dad. Yeah. Again. So, yeah, the evangelical Protestant. they weren't into the booze. They started campaigning for Americans first to give up whiskey-go to beer

and then eventually just to voluntarily give up all alcohol together. They're like, do it. Just give up fun. It's fine. I replace it with nothing. Don't worry about it. Don't sound like they saying give up liquid. Yeah.

Yeah, drink poison water. They really started picking up when potable water became more available. Well, less of an excuse then, isn't there? Sorry, I need this to live. Dollar pots of water. at the pub. Apparently, yeah, I'm loving this.

This is good. There's good stuff. Keep it coming, but I'll let you know when I've had enough. So yeah, I think those two things together, the evangelical Protestants were pushing it,

water was safer, that all seemed to start working quite well. By 1840, I've got the Millennium bug where I'd changed every start of the century to the 1900s. I can't stop.

It's addictive. I'm reading 18, but I'm saying 19. I can't help it. So, yeah, by 1840, Roald Bauer reckons, about half of Americans had taken the pledge. They all just went cold turkey on booze. So it was working.

But you can sort of understand as well. It just seems like if you're drinking, you were drinking, you were binge drinking every day. Yeah, yeah. But again, in the pledge, are they counting the babies again? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Every day, more sober people have been born. So like I was saying, safe pod where water had become more readily available. And that was another big influence on people giving away the booze. As Miller and Brown wrote, as New York's population began to burst at the seams, the craft of fresh water prompted the city in 1837 to construct an aqueduct to convey water from 40 miles north in Croton. Apologies for the pronunciation and look it up to a reservoir. or reservoir situated in what eventually became Central Park. Liquor consumption waned with the arrival of fresh cold water

and not just in New York. It is estimated that by 1845, American alcohol consumption nosedived from seven gallons a year to just over 1.5 gallons a year. Nerds. A bunch of nerds. And a lot of people have given it up. There's like someone out there who's really putting in... That's right.

Yeah. It's 150 gallons a year. One of those guys that's like, oh, you're not going to eat bacon, well, I'm going to eat twice as much bacon. What do you think about that? It's the same, but it's a guy who's like, oh, you're not going to drink seven gallons of whiskey. Well, I'm going to drink 14 gallons of whiskey. What do you think about that? Oh, all my internal organs have failed.

Well, serves me right, I suppose. Was that because of the bacon or the whiskey? Who knows? Probably. I'm exclusively drinking bacon-wrapped whiskey now. That does sound good. Yeah. Tell you what, a fresh glass of water.

cold glass of oil, let me tell you. God, so good. And imagine having not been able to drink it before. Right? I could see myself really starting a hoe in. Yeah, there's no sludge in this. There's no bits. There's probably some bits.

Yeah, there's less bits than that. I wouldn't be. And they probably don't have the teeth stuff that they put in here, which controls our minds. Right. It's right. But because it controls my mind, I say it's good. But yeah, so the numbers dropping right down. But the reformers, they thought that's not enough.

Yeah, there are. We don't want it down to 1.5 gallons a year. We want no one drinking ever. We don't want it and we don't want you two either. Biggest nerds of all. So America was split. Between babies and adults. Babies and adults is one way you could call it.

They were split in two factions. You know what the two factions were called? I don't know. Snobbs and slobs. That's better. They were drys and wet. Dries and wets. Oh, wow.

Now, you're a wet. I'm a wet? Yeah. Had it be a last night of the pub. That's mind saying? Yeah, I'm an occasional wet. I'm an occasional wet as well. Yeah.

So you're sort of more of, you're both moist. You're a couple of moist boys. Continually moist. Moist boys. You're out there listening. Hashtag most boys. Let's get that going for block. Hashtag block's over.

Hashtag moist boys. Yeah. I mean, that could be big. Yeah. See, because I think, like, being a wet would be the cooler thing to do, but I think being a dry, that's a cooler name. You don't want to be a wet. I'm a wet boy.

Yeah. Sounds like you've had an accident. Yeah, that's right. The wets and the drys. You're a team wet having made two documentary series on beer. Yeah, you're a full wet. Yeah, well, I'm pro choice. I'll say that.

But only in some things. Which I think, you know, inherently that's what the wets are. The wets aren't saying you all have to drink. But the drives are saying you all shouldn't drink. It's very true. It is very funny to think that there would probably be a very small faction of the wet. So we're like, no, you should all drink. There's people at a pub that are like, why aren't you having a beer?

Why aren't you having a beer? Yeah, come on. What's what's going on? Oh, you're our designated driver, are you? Well. Okay. Well, take an Uber. What are you pregnant?

You're allowed to have one per hour. Yeah, yeah. Oh, you do. You've got work at a morning now. Oh, you're sick. Who cares? Have a whiskey. That does, it feels like that there's.

People have never quite grown out of being a teenage, like a tryhard. Yeah. Oh, what are you a loser? You're not even drinking tonight. Well, I'm about to do something embarrassing and I don't want you to remember it. So you drink as well. Yeah, that's, that is pretty much it. I think, yeah.

I feel bad about this. Not too far below the surface. And you're making me contemplate that. Okay. So there was this one dedicated draw. There's so many great characters in this. And despite this episode probably being really long, I'm only going to briefly talk about a lot of them.

And they could probably all have their own episode just about. There was this one lecturer who had a great name, Dio Lewis. And he'd travel around, this is how he made his living, traveling around small towns and saying, gathering up a crowd and going, oy, drinking's bad. You should all knock it off.

How did he make money out of that? How did he monetize that? I think he had a Patreon. You guys are all bad people for drinking. and you should stop drinking, put the money in the hat, please. $10 each, that's how much you'll be saving for me. So you're actually making money if you give me $10 right now. Don't forget to like and subscribe.

That's right. You've got to take the pledge, and that pledge will cost you $4.99. According to Roarabout, in December of 1873, which, funnily enough, is the St. Kilda Football Club was formed. You knew that was the reason you wanted to do this topic. That's right. Yeah, right. Well, it was about a year ago that I did probably the only episode longer than this one.

which is Jess was also sick for so it's a bit of a bit of a tradition. She's hacking into your Google doctor and seeing the workout? She checks a word, she gets an alert on the workout and feign sickness whenever it slips above 7,000. But anyway, in December of 1873,

this guy, Dio, gave a series of talks in Hillsborough, Ohio, God's country itself. And the effect of the evangelical Protestant women in the town at his presentations, Rorabauer describes as electrifying. Oh, yeah.

He sounds like he's got that charisma. Yeah. Yeah, okay. I'm seeing, I'm seeing his situation. Yeah. He's turning these drawers wet, if you know.

Oh, oh, just three boys here. Just three moist boys have a fun time. Just a mores. Just a mores having a bit of fun. I get, like, I like how instantly

there's like a grift involved now. Yeah. Like, immediately the people are like, how can I make a buck out of this? There's a moral issue here. How can I, how can I make some coin out of this? And you can picture him during Prohibition just flipping and going, going town to town going, we should bring back alcohol. Who's with me?

Yeah, we pass a hat around. We flip all the towns to dry and then I do another lap. It's like they're playing America is like a board of Othello. It's that game where you flip the black and white sides. It's a reference everyone would understand. I mean, even play it in, like, on a phone, and obviously it's instant. But back when you're playing Othello years ago, it was so much fun. It would have taken ages.

Yeah, back in my day. We had a little, a little bored of it. Spent half your life of flipping, flipping wild of bluders. To me, that was the fun bit. So, Rourabow goes on. So talking about the women found electrifying, moistening. And looking around Hillsborough. Oh, that's the rebuffs.

That's right boys What, I don't understand I mean dryifying Oh yeah yeah So they started seeing the town Through a different lens There are all these raunchy saloons And they're looking at and going

Hang on he's right This is no good We're like pretty hardcore religious people And we want to tell these guys To knock it off So Roarabow writes Dozens of women Descended upon one saloon

Entered this all-male sanctuary And proceeded to pray on their knees and sing hymns. They said they would leave as soon as the seller agreed to close the business. That was it. They're like, we'll stop singing these hymns on our knees only when you go out of business. Basically being like, we will ruin the pub experience for you, so you may as well close it. Get ahead of this.

And apparently, it worked. Several saloon keepers quickly capitulated, which put more pressure on the others to conform. and within a short time, Hillsborough went dry. I can only imagine how bad their singing must have been. Yeah, right. If it was entertaining, they would set the pub owner would be like, come and see the screaming women. What a, what a time.

They're seeing kneelers. Hey, there's a stage over there. You want to kneel up there? That would be great. Yeah, so people can see you kneeling down. It's probably, they put in raked seating. But it's the equivalent of when you get on the train and a guy comes into a carriage and he sets up a guitar and he's like,

here we go. Here we go, folks. And you're like, oh. Does that ever happen on the tram? No. I'm more used to seeing someone come on with a speaker that's not up to the job. Yeah. Pumping out tunes.

But with the train, you can go like carriage to carriage. You can do the whole thing. Oh, I'm busking as they go. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. When I was in New York last year, four guys get on and I thought, oh, no, because they put a little backing track on and they'll start clicking. Oh, God. And I'm like, oh, no.

But then they had the best soul voices I've ever heard. Perfect harmony. I'm like, and at the end, they do one song, pass out of it, and I'm like, yeah, take my money. That was fantastic. Where, where are in New York? I mean, you know, that's you. That's a city that never sleeps.

Yeah, it's the windy city to make a this. I went from being like, oh, to being like, yeah, another one. Because you're all used to the people get on a train in Melbourne. Oh, please. They can't see. Please. They had moves too. They were sort of in unison form moving their hands to get, oh.

I bet you could have picked the locals, though. The locals wouldn't have been so excited. Was that the four remaining members of in sync, minus Justin Tim Blake? Is that who or us? So back to Rawbauer. News of the Hillsborough campaign spread in the newspapers, including the temperance press, the temperance movement, of course, being part of the dry movement.

And evangelical women in other small towns in Ohio and western upstate New York also took direct action, thus, was born the women's crusade of 1873 to 1874. Middle class women dried up dozens of small towns, but when anti-licker reformers in larger towns led similar movements, they met defiance and resistance. In big cities, the reaction was fierce. In Cincinnati, praying women were locked out of the saloons, which admitted only regular customers, and a few saloon-keepers' wives located in upstairs apartments dumped the contents of chamber pots upon their heads of the protesters. Oh, wow.

Just dropping their juices. Their juices, yeah. They're wets. Yeah, my God. You're too dry down there. Yeah, yeah. Oh, you don't want to get wet? Well, you will.

Don't mix up your wets, folks. Don't do it. Is this the first instance of getting like a nightclub bouncer? See, line up. And then they say, are you here to protest or drink? Oh, protest. Anyone wearing knee pads? I think bouncer should bring back emptying the chamber pot on troublemakers.

Not with. those shoes. They're covering in faces. They didn't even have to really figure out because women generally weren't admitted into these places, so they stood out of them. Which is something that Prohibition really changed. We'll talk about later, but women started going to bars. Nice.

Amazing. It's pretty amazing how nearly every motivation that the people who wanted the drawers had sort of got flipped and made worse because of Prohibition. Although the demonstrators were most. peaceful, rocks occasionally broke bar room windows and sellers learned to shutter their windows before the crusaders arrived. They were usually peaceful, but sometimes they did throw rocks. They throw Molotov cocktails, but you need an empty bottle of booze for that. So where are they going to get one? Yeah. They need some sort of solid T&T, something like that. Dynamite. Yeah, sure, sure.

Yeah. It's a slippery slope, isn't it? That is. Yeah. Women played a huge role in the temperance movement. One of the key groups on the dry side was the women's Christian Temperance Union, the WCTU, which was founded in 1874 on the back of this whole, what do we call it? The women's crusade. Right. Led by President Francis Willard, the group campaign to dry out America at local state and federal levels. During the final decades of the 1800s, the WCTU was the main organization campaigning for anti-licker legislation. While results varied, Prohibition gained quite a bit of success in rural areas.

where the evangelical churches had the strongest followings. So they were starting bit by bit, some states almost, you know, but in other states like towns and areas, and they're sort of like growing out the dry areas. We're being like, our town is too small to have a pub, but if it did have one, there'd be no alcohol there, and that sort of spread. And then there were like,

there were sort of clever rules that were, because it wasn't, it was growing popularity, but not everyone was, on board so they do they'd get laws passed at local levels like in our town or in this area um saloons are illegal but not within a three mile radius or whatever of schools or hospitals and like a town so you could get a drink and go to school that was within the rules okay that's that's no no you couldn't have one within a radius but that radius took in the whole town you know the school's in

the middle of the town so yeah right right so they sort of they're legal here, you just have to have it like in the middle of knowing. I think we've got to move the school, folks. You're going to move the school. We're going to move the school. We're going to move it. There's an avalanche prone hill. We'll put it under there.

That's fine. And then it's out of the radius. Then we can have a drink. Willard, the president of the WCT, you use the motto, do everything. Okay. Oh, that's very Nike, isn't it? That's a good slogan. If that's still available, I'd probably take that.

I think it might have come back into the public domain. Do everything. Don't do everything. Don't mind if I do. Everything. Is it like this at an all cost type thing? Because it's sort of the opposite of what they're preaching, right? They're like, don't do everything.

Hardly do anything. It's mixed messaging, isn't it? Yeah. Do it. Do everything. I will. Thank you. Thank you.

No, no, no. We don't mean it like that. Yeah, I'll have a dackery. No. And I'll do some hardcore drugs. Because the motto wasn't used to the outside world, to the wets. It was used inward. It's like by any means necessary to stop people from it.

Yeah, that's right. Also talking about the kind of campaigning that work they wanted to do, whatever means the most of you, do that. Do everything. Do anything. Do anything. Do everything. It's very vague, isn't it?

The guy up the top's a real ideas, man. He's a big picture guy. Hey, what should we do to stop people drinking? Oh, everything. Do everything. Well, you said, man. Should we protest out front of the pub? Yeah, that's everything, isn't it?

Do that, yep. You said ideas, man, but this is a, uh, women can be ideas. is man to do so true may so I can do everything oh that's so true

isn't it I've just we should trademark that I reckon if we say it enough times it's ours yeah we can own that

back to Roarbert so yeah using the motto do everything WCTU members specialised in whatever reform was closest

to their hearts committed feminist Willard pushed women's suffrage which attracted many women under Willard the WCTU

grew to become the largest women's organization in the US with 200 thousand members in 1890. She also traveled to Europe and in 1891 established the world's WCTU, the WWCTU,

and she put herself in as president. This was the first global women's organization and it coordinated with women's anti-licker groups in Germany, Scandinavia, the UK, India and Australia. Willard was closely linked to the Republican Party, which led to some difficulties in the South. Apparently like, you know how the modern, uh, the modern, uh, political landscape, people say, oh, the, you know, the, the, the, uh, the intellectuals, the, what do you call them, the elites. Yeah. The liberal elites. The shandy sipping elites or what they say.

Yeah, yeah. So I think that and she was sort of in that, the Times version of that, which was associated more with Republicans in the north, but in the south, it was more, the women like that were more likely Democrats. So that led to some problems her. She's like, strong Republican and then trying to move it down there and they're like, we don't like Republicans, we're Democrats. Like, oh. So she had to separate a bit to make it work down there. And in the end anyway, she started to grow impatient with both major parties, especially her closer allies in the Republican Party because of their reluctance to move strongly on

prohibition. She's like, let's, you're, you're the big, you're one of the big parties. Classic big party. Yeah. Doesn't want it, doesn't want to make a decision. Not putting those in line. Yeah. Yeah.

When they're in opposition, they often do, we would really fix this up if we were in. Yeah, whatever you would do the opposite. Yeah, we'd. And better. All right. Remember when you said you'd do something? Now you're in. You want to do something?

Oh, we're still cleaning up the mess of the last ones. You've been in for eight years. Yeah, but those guys, 15, 16 years ago, they did a really bad job. Yeah. What a mess they left. And there's still a lot of work to do. We see both sides over here to go on. Yeah.

Wets andross. We're moist. Yeah. Do you want to go out and say who you are supporting in any upcoming elections? Or everyone. Yeah. Yeah, I vote multiple times. Vote for everyone.

Yeah. Vote for everyone. That's what I say, yeah. Yeah. I know a guy. So they just let me keep coming back in and your vote. You name. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. And it's great because it, it, it, It cancels all the votes out. Exactly. So I always come out on top. Yeah, exactly. That's right. And I always vote for the winner.

Yeah, that's right. Whoever it is. And just in case I'm voting on some of those weird little parties. That's right. Like the no alcohol party, which I'm going to keep my eyes peeled for. I bet there is one in Australia probably. I vote for the no alcohol party. I vote for the only alcohol party.

A little bit of alcohol party when you ever had a good day. Yeah. I vote for put alcohol in the water supply party. you know. Yeah, I vote for the put fluoride in the alcohol party. That's exactly right. Dry extremists from both the Republicans and the Democrats splinted off to form the Prohibition Party.

And as we all know them by name, and I think they're still one of the major players. There's a chance that just won the election. Yeah, they could. They may have. And things, you know, things went pretty well, arguably. They got some votes. In 1884, they're president. presidential nomination was former Republican governor of Kansas, John St. John.

Good night, pretty good. Pretty good. John St. John. I think the parents might have been a little drunk at the time. Willard, you know, when you accidentally fill in the surname and the fear, you get a mix. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, but this is before. The fall, but I can, not be mad at me. That'll do.

Yeah. And it was before white out. Yeah. Willard publicly backed him, Johnson John, but her organisation, the WCTU did not. So she's as a president and they're like, no, I think they were mainly sticking with, you know, the majors. According to Roarabout, Johnson John won 1.5% of the vote. The Prohibition Party's presidential vote peaked in 1892 with 2.25% of the vote and it started dipping after that. As critics noted at the time, Willard's do everything policy and her political gyrations,

the fact that she jumped ship, sort of, weakened the ability of the WCTU either to enact prohibition or to influence the two major parties that were key to political success. She's kind of like, fair enough, but she was trying to do that first, and that also didn't work. Yeah, that's true, yeah. Oh, what if I just, if I just try to influence the Republican Party from within, that would have worked.

Well, it didn't work, buddy. That's right. I was trying that for years. And also, like, it doesn't. sound like they're offering anything else. Like, it's not like they're like, oh, we're going to improve infrastructure or whatever. They're just like, no. One issue party.

You know what's the stuff you like? No. Yeah. Everyone's like, what are you going to do with the hospitals? Well, they won't need to be hospitals because no one will be drinking. Okay. That's, geez. They should do what happens, you know, when you, you know, in primary school when they want

to, you know, elect a class president or whatever. Just promise like Coke in the drink taps and stuff like that. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. I said there's heaps on this show, I'm sure. No, I'm work. When I was in year seven, a guy got voted to be school captain of my high school

because he promised if you vote for me, I'll grow an afro. Oh, you nice. The whole school voted for him. And did he? Oh, yeah. By the end of the year, he looked awesome. Yeah.

Do you think he was going to grow the afro anyway? Yeah, I reckon. Yeah, wow. Single issue party. Single issue. Willard died in 1898 before seeing a dream of a dry America realized. A couple of years after her death, another strong woman took up the cause, and she had God on her side.

Her name was Carrie Nation. Oh, that's good. That's a good name. Middle initial A? Yeah, carry a nation on her back. She was big. She was like a six foot woman, like a really tall woman for the time. And yeah, she was suggested specifically by a few listeners, including Aaron, Alex

Megan, Austin Aviva and Emmy. And so I'm just going to briefly talk about her. Carrie Nays is the best. Carrie Nation. According to Brown and Miller, in June of 1900, God spoke to Carrie Nation. She was a six-foot-tall Kentucky-born advocate of temperance who now gained divine approval for her cause. She's like, God told me, I've got to stop this.

He wants me to do it. So I'm going to get out there and I'm going to stop people drinking. Wow, so weird because there's another guy down the road that said, God told me last night that I've got to sell whiskey to everyone. What has this happened? What's going? Oh, Carrie? And he works in a serious ways.

Sorry, there's been a mixer. So, responding to this epiphany, she gathered several rocks, which she called smashes, headed, this is what I think God sort of probably worded up on this stuff as well. Then she went to Dobson Saloon in Kiowa, Kansas and announced, quote, men, I have come to save you from a drunkard's fate. She then decimated the saloon's entire stock with her arsenal. It's just her? Just her. I'm going to a lot of rocks.

And I'm going to say to pedants out there that that was brown. There wouldn't be any pedants listening to this. That was Brown and Miller's used the word decimated there. I know someone out there's decimated. I'll reduce by a tense. Because I think she reduced it by a hundredth. Yeah, we're using it at a sense of smashed up real good. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Carrie, this is God. Collect some rocks. You can call them whatever you want. Smash is God. Yeah, that's good. I mean, like that. Oh, that's really good. That's really good, actually.

I'm more a big ideas guy. Anything you want to do is fine. Yeah, do everything. Yeah, do everything. That's kind of my motto. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, did you steal that from the WCTU? No, no, no, no, no, no, I came up with them as well.

Yeah, I came up with them, so, yeah. I created everyone, so everything they create, I've technically created, so. So she's doing this wielding a hatchet as well. And she's, like, in the bar smashing bottles? She just literally went in and said, I'm here to save you all with fellas. Just started smashing up all the bottles until there were none left. Off I go. She went to two more sloons in that town and then continued on for the following decade going town to town.

I'm sorry? She wasn't arrested for destroying everything. She was arrested more than 30 times. Oh, my God. You swear you won't do it again, Carrie Nation? Yeah, I swear. I don't know why she's a small Australian. Do you, what's your Kentucky accent again?

Dave. Yeah, I'm from Kentucky. That's probably fine. You're doing like I'm not a big city lawyer kind of voice. I ain't no big city lawyer. Let me just tell you something. You're a carry nation. I don't think the you boss should be drinking anymore this year.

So I'm going to F it up. But my little hatchet. And everyone's like, this giant woman is going to kill us old. So I just can't believe that she just keeps entering the bar. Like I always think people, you go, God, she believes God told her to do it. It'll be like, yeah, you can arrest me as much as I like God. Told me to do this and we're just going to keep doing it. That's what you would do, surely.

Yeah. He doesn't ever tell me to do shit. He's the highest court in the land. Yeah. So she finally collapsed during a speech on the 9th of June 1911 and died. I'd do what she loved, telling people to stop drinking. and was buried in a non-mark grave in Belton, Missouri. The women's Christian temperance union later erected a tombstone with her epitaph,

reading, faithful to the cause of prohibition, She hath done what she could. Smash it. She's done what she could. Yeah. Not enough, to be honest. Yeah, but... Could have been more.

Yeah. But obviously, her capacity for her hard work was about that. You had a go. You had a bit of a good go. Good on you. Yeah. So, yeah. I just love the idea that he'd be walking into a bar and the barman recognising him out, Carrie, no.

Please, Carrie, please. Stop, no. Oh, not the top shelf stuff. That's really, it's really expensive. All of us, you can see, this is why we don't allow women in here. See, this is what I'll get up to. They'll do smashing. They'll bring their, they'll bring their famous hatchets.

Regular is just grabbing bottles off the shelf and trying to just skull and neck them as quickly. It's like, but well, Carrie smashes it out of there. I haven't had my daily half pint. Carrie, I'm dehydrated. Carrie, please. You'd be in there negotiating, you'd be like, I'll just drink this and then then smash it and we'll say it all went down the drain. Please, Carrie.

Just a sip. I was enjoying this. That's a new beer. I just ordered that. I just paid for that, Carrie. It's just how I like it. Flat. A flat beer.

Flat and disgusting. But without e coli. Yeah, true. What a wild character. Yeah. So you can see why I've got a few people like, you've got to talk about her. But like, this is how wild the story is that that's just a little footnote in it really.

Taking up the baton after this and into the 20th century was the anti-saloon League, ASL. Never knew that's what it stood for. According to Britannia. So back on the early internet when you were chatting with people, you said ASL. You meant anti-soulogne. He is right back. Yes. Yeah, yes, definitely.

100%. Let's smash it. some stuff tomorrow. According to Britannica, even, called a Britannia, and I apologize. We were just going to roll with it. Yeah, I thought you were just going to be quoting from rural Britannia.

Yeah, rules, they ruled the waves. According to Royal Britannia, the Anti-Saloon League was the leading organization lobbying for prohibition in the US in the early 20th century. It was founded as a state society in God's Country, Ohio, in 1893, but it's influential. and spread rapidly and only two years later became a national organization. It drew most of its support from Protestant evangelical churches and it lobbied at all levels

of government for legislation to prohibit the manufacture and sale of intoxicating beverages. So they're doing very similar stuff to the WCTU, but I think they allowed, there were men involved as well. Okay. Man can do anything. I think that's important. That's one of the big takeaways from the story. So, yeah.

They can do everything. Also, I think a lot of this stuff, I wonder how much of it really boiled down to, like, it's just something to do, isn't it? Mm. You know? Right. Yeah. You just, we could lobby Washington.

Oh, we get to go on a little trip. That's cool. That's fun. I think that's the case with so much stuff. Mm, yeah. Some of it's such worthy causes. Right. And some of it's just like, oh, you've got a hole here, don't you?

Mm-hmm. And you want to fill it. And you can do that in many different ways. That's so true, isn't it? And you've cut out. alcohol, so what else you got? Yeah. Walking around, I guess.

Yeah. A random burst of violence. Nealan. Yeah, Neil and singing. Singing? Singing. Yeah. Roar about rights, led by the brilliant Washington lobbyist, Wayne Wheeler,

which is a fantastic name I've got to say. That's incredible. And Wayne Wheeler by name, Wayne Wheeling and dealing by nature because he was so good at diplomacy in Washington. He just made things happen. He was a fixer. He was a guy who could get things done. I wouldn't normally get on my phone during one of these,

but I'm going to look up Wayne Wheeler. I'm going to see if he's got like in the one photo or one illustration of him. Like what does he look like? Have you seen Wayne Wheeler before, Matt? I think I've seen a bunch of men in this story and they all can't. He looks like a man. That's not been researching and they all look vaguely similar. Okay, look, he's got, he's sort of a like a, like, he's just an old-time.

I mean, man, he looks like maybe an FDR or something like that. Yes. He comes up later and he does it. There is one like kind of sassy photo of him where he's got his arms crossed and he's got a little smirk to him like, I know something you don't know. He's got, he's just, he's got what I would call a small mustache. Yeah. Like just he's put a number one or number two over the top of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's a, it's like a kind of a like a coffee stain. Yeah. It looks like he's that classic comedian who just drew it on with texter. He looks like that guy. Yeah. I'm sure it wasn't with texter, but Grancho Marx. To me, he just looks like anyone who died on the Titanic. Oh, yeah, that's true, yeah.

Yeah, I think, well, this is that period, and that's why they all kind of look like this guy. He is wearing, unless the fidelity of this photo is not high enough, but he's wearing, he's wearing the Pinsnes. He's wearing the glasses you pinched to your nose. Oh, yeah. The Morpheus. style. Whoa. They've got no, they've got no arms on them.

No, no ears needed. No, he's needed. That's right. Well, I think that was, they don't talk about as much. There's a fashion plate, this bloke. He is also, yeah, he, he wanted to ban alcohol and arms on glasses. Yeah, yeah, that's right. That was two big things.

We don't need them. The demon arms, he called them. Yeah, that's right. Rorbao continues. The ASL elected legislators and members of Congress loyal to its agenda. So he's, he's helping put people in. positions of power and also going if we'll get you in we'll get you the votes if you agree to be hardcore dry yeah right uh the group pushed local options uh where it could uh where it could not win

statewide prohibition they called talk about there's a bit of the local options that's just like like i say making the town have uh no saloons within a radius of the of the school or just going you know just taking them out one by one and they had to these different ways they're going about they try and encircle the big cities with dry areas. Almost like, you know, they're trapping them in there and then it'll be easier for them to like, like you picture them in a war room, you know, with the big map. Oh, they're circling like, yeah, we'll come in from the north. Yeah.

And then we'll flank them on the west. Like, was it World War II? They did that to France? World War I, you'd know. Doesn't matter. You know. It's been done to Paris for sure. This thing you've said, I've done it.

Someone's done it. You know, you block them in. Yeah. What do you call that? Double parking. Double parking. Two drinks at once. Yeah, that's right.

You sort of surround them and then sort of like, we'll have a siege situation going on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So the only way to get like a drink is you have to like, you have to thread the needle. You have to get it, you know, you can, you can buy one at the pub and then you have to run down specific alleyways. I don't remember Paris being seed. I remember the French giving up. Oh. What you don't think of the other war?

I'm thinking of the first world. Oh, okay. You know, St. Petersburg, the big Zee. there. Yeah, maybe I'm thinking to one of them. But, yeah, that's interesting.

You just, you buy it at the bar and then you can only walk like certain, like a certain way down the bar. Yeah. Like, and if you're like,

I'm going to go to the Lou, well, we're going to smash your drink. Yeah, yeah. I do think it's funny the strategy to have it. Like, they'll surround the city with dry areas.

I'd be like, well, I'll just never leave the city then. Well, why was I going there anyway? Yeah, yeah. You're like, yeah.

I, um, I, um, I, um, I, um, was going to go visit, I think we were going to go to the country for a box. Yeah, but I'm not going to nail. We'll just do it like, you know, the bar underneath my apartment. Uh, Royal Bell says, once liquor dealers were eliminated from large areas of a state,

a state wide ban was easier to enact. Uh, and yeah, he had this thought that the great wet cities, such as New York, Chicago, the windy city, uh, the wettie city. The great wet cities. The great wet cities. The great wet cities. So in New York, Chicago, where else? And San Francisco.

Atlantis. One of the wet. cities there is. He called it encirclement, you know, but it was basically like the siege. He was like, we'll get him. Peer group pressure. Everyone, look, we're all dry out here. We're having a great time.

Yeah, New York's like, you think we give a shit about you out there? Yeah, yeah. Okay. I don't know, they are kneeling and singing. They're smashing. That's fun. In these otherwise empty bars. If you're in the movement, though, you'd be like, boy, I do love smashing with rocks,

but man, it'd be great to be lick it up while. I'm smashing. Oh, my God, it feels so good. My heart's not really, in it. It also makes me much more likely to sing out loud. Yeah, yeah. Off key, people. It's funny, it made me more likely to do all the things that the dry stuff are doing.

Are we sure then we're not drinking? But yeah, all of this was moving towards their goal of the nationwide prohibition being enacted in the Constitution. Maybe an 18th Amendment. No, throw in our numbers, I don't know. On the other wettest side of the fence was the broader alcohol industry, and they were up for the fight. Broadly speaking, they'll split up in, so there were the spirits arm. The whiskey arm was mainly Irish and Scottish immigrants.

They had the wine industry like so before, pretty much limited to California, and then the beer industry, which was mostly German immigrants. And apart from the wettest areas, politicians didn't really want to be seen taking money directly from the alcohol industry. This was especially true for the distillers as they had been disgraced by a scandal in the 1870s, which in brief, a big group of whiskey distillers conspired to defraud the federal government of taxes.

So their name was mud. They'll basically go, their taxes on whiskey and spirits was getting higher and higher. So they just, apparently they literally took them to the woods and just started doing them off the books. This is the Irish and the Scottish.

And they didn't want to pay taxes, is what you said. Yeah. That's interesting. And it was true for like, the rum makers and pirates. Pirates. Yeah, yeah. They wouldn't want to pay taxes either. Yeah, that's true. And they're assorted booties and so forth. Yeah. They're declaring that treasure they found? I doubt it. Orberry. I doubt it. So, because the distillers, their name was mud. It was up to the brewers.

God, imagine you're a pirate and you go to the X and you dig up the treasure. And then you're like, oh, I've got to fill this in on my pay as you go. Tass file, whatever, you know. I think I've gone through the tax-free threshold here. Fridays are at mid-days for pirates. That's right. Always has been. Yarr. Yarr. Yeah.

Yarr. So, yeah, the brewers were the ones who, and they probably had the most alludes, because they control the saloons. Yeah, but even more so than the distillers and stuff. They, yeah, they were the bigger business in the, in the booze world. The Germans, apparently they'd set up all these, these, it wasn't just like, seedy, saloons. They also had beer gardens were really popular in New York, these German beer gardens, which were more family affairs. What is this, Melbourne? What is this a Melbourne laneway?

Yeah, yeah. A beer garden, my goodness. Yeah, a German rooftop bar. Oh, ho. Oh, the Robberites, uh, between 1880 and 1900s, the number of saloons doubled to 300,000, and the per capita consumption of beer also doubled. So it's going up again. I mean, whiskey and stuff all dropped as people were going sober, but beer's really taking off. Well, I wouldn't even count back in the day, I would think, you know. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's true.

It just keeps me alive, you know? It keeps me alive and awake. But after 1900, beer consumption continued to grow. Declining to defend a distilled liquor, brewers promoted beer as a moderate low alcohol healthful drink. There it is. It fills you up your vigors. Yeah.

Not like, but they're sort of, you know, They've been split up, unfortunately, from the distills and stuff, which weakened the whole wet movement. Yeah. But they're going, yeah, no, we kind of see what you mean about whiskey, but our stuff is good for you. You don't mean us to you? Surely not.

We're cool. You put our product on your corn flakes, don't you? Corn flakes and beer? Yeah, we're in breakfast food. So they're just letting them pick them off one by one, which is making it easier for the drawers. Right, we'd remember if that's what stuck brothers in arms and said. We've learned this multiple times over the years on this show.

Never split the party. Yeah, true. Very true. The distillers didn't like this. So they're like, wait, what do you mean? You're sort of throwing us under the bus. Distill is also a band name. Oh, it is.

And the Temperance Union. That's Tim Rogers band, yeah. And he's pretty famously a boozy man. Or he used to be. Used to be, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But that's right.

Do you think alcohols played a role in rock and roll over the years? I wouldn't think so. No, I wouldn't I thought so. Probably ironic names. Yeah, absolutely. Temperatured. I guess was definitely. But yeah, they were pretty annoyed the distillers.

The New York State Wholesale Liquor Dealers Association complained in the New York Times in 1916. Not a great acronym probably. the nice world nice world it would be a nice world if we all drank whiskey all the time back in a day remember when we all drank whiskey all the time

and seven points a day or whatever that was a nice world take me back anyway nice world we're having a whinge in the paper saying we deem it particularly deplorable that a few brewers are attempting to obtain legislative advantages

for beers at the expense of other alcoholic beverages and rober our is distillers refused to assist the brewers in the campaign to stop prohibition. Oh, it's weird. We tell we were selling everyone that they suck and now they're not even helping us. What the heck? Oh, and they proves that they suck in a way.

Oh. And then, yeah, later on they both realize, oh, we probably should have stuck together. We've cooked this actually. Dang it. The brewers were still pretty powerful because they had the German-American alliance on their side. This alliance was established by one Kaiser Wilhelm the second in 1900, promoting links between Americans and Germans. The alliance had two million members in 1914.

Wow. When a quarter of Americans had German heritage. And now I didn't realize that there was a point in time when America was, you know, had such strong German heritage. Why would I have known that, I guess? It's true. Yeah. And yeah, it probably goes without saying,

but the alliance was very anti-prohibition. And this does come up a bit that may be part of the motivation for the Protestants, the very Anglo group was maybe a bit of xenophobia as well. The Irish, they're drinking all this whiskey, the Germans, all their beer, we've got to get rid of it. And to be a real American, be like us, sober. Yeah, we're going to come up with a truly American alternative, like alcoholic hot dogs or something. You can have it on a ball game. That's America.

You can first bite it just squirts in your mouth. Oh, yeah. I'm a friend. Hot dogs are straight from Germany as well. Oh, no. What else you got hamburgers? I know. Oh.

But yeah, the alliance was used as a way to funnel money to wet politicians. The wet politicians didn't want to be getting it direct from booze. So they're getting it through the alliance via beer, you know. Unfortunately, though, a big world war was coming up fast, and Germany, if you don't know, was on the opposing side of it to America. Interesting. I think they're going to be friends forever. Yeah, yeah.

Unfortunately not. As Raw about rights, when World War I began in 1914, the German-American Alliance backed Germany. Feels like if you're the German-American Alliance, you can't back Germany. Although I should say America wasn't in the war at the time. So that's how they would have done it. but unfortunately, I can't remember. No, I didn't remember that to say it. So I'll just say it when I get to it.

Franz Ferdinand also a band. That's right. Oh my God. Yeah. So, yeah. The Kaiser Chiefs. Kaiser Chiefs. Oh, my God.

So they've backed Germany. And then within a couple of years, 1916, no political Canada could be seen taking money, either from Brewers with all the German ancestry or from the Alliance at all. So they kind of stuffed themselves a bit associating themselves with their own country, which had gone a war. We totally back Germany and then a couple of years later, it's like, oh, crap. We can't do that anymore. Yes. We should have done the hot dog thing.

And things turned on Germans in America even before America joined the war, as Miller and Brown, right? Although America didn't enter the fray until the 6th of April 1917, anti-German sentiments began boiling following the death of 128 Americans in May of 1915 during the sinking of the RMS Lusitania by the German submarine U-20. Newspapers in New York and other cities publish the names and addresses of German Americans labelling them as enemy aliens

and the Red Cross Barred German Americans from volunteering for fear of sabotage. Mob violence ensued in the Midwestern states home to many German lager breweries. So, like newspapers are literally, publishing just because they've got German backgrounds. They're going, get them. This is where they are if you want to get them.

That's crazy. Wild. Yeah, these guys are bad. Not us who were telling you to wild. Also just to get the newspaper that day and there's no stories. It's just like the German version of the phone book. He's sort of flicking through page after page of names and addresses going, what's happening in the world?

Yeah. But the guys at the newspaper were like, oh, easiest day. Yeah, it's just work day in my life. Put it on the photocopy it. Hold the presses. We found that in a bunch of old episodes as well that in these times they did just, they go, Doris Longnitude lost her dog today. Who lives at this address?

Every story they just put the address in. Name the person and where they're from? They're running stories about Doris Longnitude losing a dog. I mean, Dors Longnitude would know where everything was, you know? So anti-German and with it anti-beer sentiment ran high. Irish immigrants were also seen as second-class citizens, like I was saying, and the fact they drank whiskey meant drinking whiskey was un-American. As Miller and Brown wrote, the Anti-Saloon League implemented pressure politics

to stir citizens up to try to a patriotic frenzy. A true American nation had to be a dry nation, and things were all coming to a head. Gordon Aurora Bauer Wetz lost the 1916 election and the anti-saloon league's Wayne Wheeler pounced. Once the US declared war on Germany in 1917 in April, Congress imposed temporary wartime prohibition to prevent food shortages and pass the 18th Amendment. And also there was another part of this as well. They're very similar, but two slightly separate things, I think. There was an act conceived by Wayne Wheeler and championed by Andrew Volstead, who, was the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee.

And I don't know if you've heard of this. This is why this act is referred to as the Volstead Act. That's because of this guy, Andrew Volstead. But anyway, so the 18th Amendment goes through. Pretty brief. So I'll read it in three parts. Must be good to have your name, like an act named after you. That's why you'd do it as well.

Yeah. You'd jump on whatever it was to be like. Yeah, I'll agree to that. Can I put my name on that? Yeah. We're going to put my name on that? That's right. Yeah.

I want to be associated ever with being a party killer. That's right. Let's make skateboard tricks legal. That's a Mesa Act. Mesa Act. And then people that turn into like... Every time somebody's doing an Olly or whatever, they'd be like... This is down to the Meso Act, you know?

And it becomes an an acronym of Dog Act. Man, what a Mesa Act. That was sick. Man, absolute Moso Act for you. Oh, pure Mesa. I reckon we could get that. go on just now. I think so.

Hashtag Moist Boys, hashtag Mesa Act. There we go. Can I ask about changing the constitution over there? Is that like a, do you know, is that a hard thing to do? Like here we have to have a national referendum and everyone else to vote yes or no. Yeah, you need, it needs to go through the, I mean, I don't. You don't have to explain exactly, but is it a big deal or is it basically the politicians vote for it? Or do the people have to say yes?

So it has to happen in Washington. Yeah. Bucon, Bucke on. We can blow it. That's happened in the bloody big top, doesn't it, the bloody bloody clowns. And then I think three quarters of the states have to then ratify. Okay.

That makes sense. So, yeah. So it does have to go through a bit of it. It's not just one dude being like, yeah, I reckon. It has to be. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I can't believe we gave all this power of one amendment guy.

Johnny amendment does whatever he wants. That is similar, like, it's similar at least vaguely to Australian referendums, which like we need that. more than 50% nationally and then more than 50% of the states. Yep. So it can't just be the popular vote. But it doesn't go back to the people to vote. I don't think so.

But also, you know this is going to be infuriating people if I'm wrong. So why did you do that? Because I thought that you would have come across it. Sorry. But it's good for engagement. We need to cut the whole thing. No, no, no. Don't cut it.

If you'd rather not that way. I won't be able to tweet at me. Yeah, that's right. We're recording a set at a time. Please go up on YouTube as well. Please go up on YouTube. Well, then put them and put it in the YouTube comments. But yes or no in the comments to whatever the question was.

That's great. That's great for engagement metrics. If you can hashtag it moist boys. Hashtag moist boys, yes or no. Yes or no. Hashtag moso. Act. I'm just wondering if they all get a little, you know, they have to vote and it just says dry, yes or no.

Yeah. Do you want to be dry? Yeah. Mostly I want to be dry. Yeah. But a lot of people would be confused. They'd be like, yeah, mostly. I don't like getting caught in the road.

I hate that. Yeah. Yeah, I would love dry, actually. Yeah. Yeah, I think I, I mean, you know, I don't like water on my face. So, dry, yeah. So like a dry face. But I don't like a dry shave because you can cut yourself.

Yeah. So maybe wet. Wet shave. Yeah. There should be a few stipulations. Yeah. Dry on the street, wet in the shave. Yeah, that's right.

Wet in the sheets. Yeah. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Hashtay most point. Folks, Matt's doing his big time research. I feel bad. I'm sorry I brought it up, Matt.

An amendment may be proposed by a two-thirds vote of both houses of Congress or if two-thirds of the states request one by a convention called for that purpose. The amendment must then be ratified by three-fourths of the state legislatures. Okay. Or three-fourths of conventions called in each state for ratification. But who goes to the conventions? I guess it's like... Probably nerds.

Yeah. Yeah, it'd be nerds, wouldn't that? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. See you there. So, here's how the 18th Amendment reads. It's got three sections. Section 1.

After one year from the ratification of the article, the manufacturer sale or transportation of intoxicating liquors within, the importation thereof into, or the exportation thereof from the US. Nice covering all the bases. That's good. And all territories subject to the jurisdiction thereof for beverage purposes. is hereby prohibited. So alcohol is still legal for cleaning and other things, but not for beverage.

But also they've got a window to get rid of it. So you've got one year. That must be the drunkest year on record, right? People going wild. Yeah. I think so in probably a little bit, but people definitely stocked up if they had the means. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. Like stock your seller.

Yeah, because it was not illegal to have it and to drink it in private property. but it was, you couldn't buy it. Yeah, right. So if you just found some, it was fine to have it. Yes. Yeah, right, nice. It's like a samurai sword. You just have it.

I found it in the woods. So it's legal for me to have it actually. They call it the samurai sword loophole. Yeah, that's exactly. That's right. Yeah. So they use the term intoxicating liquors, and this was defined to be any substance that contained over 0.5% alcohol,

which I believe is around what orange juice has. Oh. I think like every like and they couldn't I don't think they could even test it to be right not bad OJ yeah um so if if my bloody ban a jay though depending on how his edit goes yeah which we'll never know because I don't think any of this will ever listen to it so oh man I'm literally leaving in your hands AJ um but if uh if anyone's hearing this bit let me know that he is not doing a good job if you can put it in the YouTube comments yes or no

Section 2, the Congress and several states shall have concurrent power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. So they're saying it's not going to be all us. We're states and federally. We're both going to be in charge of making this happen. And the third section said, this article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of several states as provided in the Constitution within seven years from the date of the submission here. to the states by the Congress. I think it was the president, or one of the key players at the time who didn't really want prohibition,

agreed to this if that was put in, because he was like, we're not going to get three quarters of the states agreeing to this. So that was his way of saying, kind of like the Brexit guy said, yeah, they'll never vote. We'll put it up to a vote, but they're never going to vote for Brexit.

Yeah, that'd be crazy. Crazy did it. But then they did do that. The guy, the president, remember the prime minister with the pig. Anyway, English people will remember what I'm talking about. And like I was saying before, I agree. Prime Minister, Kermit the Frog.

Me and May, so both voted for Brexit and non-Brexit. That's exactly right. They just let me come in. I know another guy. David Cameron. So the one? I was avoiding the name for libel stuff. Oh.

Because he f***ed a pig. Allegedly. Actually, I think that might, AJ, you're a lawyer. But it's fine. It's the samurai sword loophole. We just found that information, so that's fine. We didn't say it. We did.

So, yeah, they had seven years to win the support of the states. Well, that'll never happen. A lot of people like that don't have happened. It happened in a bit over a year. So they needed at least 36 of the 48 states at the time. And I think that's why they were saying the several states, because at the time, they were still like more states popping up, you know? Right.

So they wouldn't say the 48 states. And then within a year, like, oh, man. Man, if we found a couple more states real quick, we can probably get them to vote the way we want. Just add a few, yeah. Drop below three quarters. You just bring it up to 100 states. That's right.

But my house is a state. Yeah. They got way over 36 of the 40th. They got actually got 46 states approved. Really? So what are the whole cool states? There's two cool states. And if you're from either of the cool states,

yes or no in the comments. Yes, right. Connecticut and Rhode Island. I knew it. Oh yeah, okay. They're less of a cool vibe. Are they near each other or is that? Yeah, I think they're both tucked up in that sort of northeastern area.

It feels like Vermont, those fancy states. And they'd be like, well, we've got a lot of money. Let us drink. Yeah. You know? I'm a big fan of Vermont. But I think it seems like in a lot of ways, if you had a lot of money, you've played by your own rules anyway. Absolutely, yeah.

Though President Woodrow Wilson, man, whatever is his name. I think I can hear the wind blow. Yeah, but in the government, they'd be like W. is it Wayne Wheeler or is it Woodrow Wilson? Who's the top dog? He's the number one WWW, you know? Yeah. It's probably Woodrow Wilson because he's the president.

Well, I think that's how they decided it at WWE. That was the first WWE. Wow. Woodrow Wilson's coming in with a steel chair. Damn. Oh, Wayne Wheeler's got some smashes and a hatchet. So, yeah, Woodrow Wilson tended to be neither publicly wet or dry, which it seems like a lot of the presidents at the time were kind of like.

that. He did v- I'm whatever you guys are. Yeah, yeah. Are you drunk? I'm drunk. I'm sober man. Yeah.

I was just trying to, uh, be cool in front of those nerds. But I'm actually really like you and nerd. Wait. Uh, yeah, he vetoed the act though. So he said, I don't want prohibition. According to Woodrow Wilson.org, this was due to his desire to protect the rights of citizens from improper legislation. Despite this,

Wilson's largely technical civil liberties argument was of no matter to the House of Representatives who overrode his veto just two hours after receiving it. Oh, that's got to hurt. I'm the most powerful man in the country. Shut up. Okay. Okay. According to Brown and Miller, Wilson appealed to Congress to pass the 19th Amendment

guaranteeing women's suffrage in 1915, then in 1918. He's the president at the time. He's like, please. Because he's like, I'm losing popularity a bit from all sorts of things. Things aren't going, you know. But what if I let chicks vote? Yeah, but if chicks vote, this could help. And then as the clock ticked closer toward the March 1920 presidential election,

he called Congress to a special session on the 20s. A speche sesh. A spech sash. Nice. Yeah, compression, spech sesh. Wine the windows up. You know it's serious when he's doing a speche session. Yeah.

On the 21st of May 1999 and the amendment was finally passed, but according to Brown and Miller, it was too late to save his. career. For the following presidential election, the Democratic Party instead opted for the ticket of Governor James M. Cox and Assistant Secretary of the Navy Franklin D. Roosevelt. I've heard of that guy. Yes, but probably not Cox. No. Because he lost in a landslide to new Republican president Warren G. Harding, the G apparently stands for Gamaliel. Gamaliel. Wow. Wow. Okay. Beautiful name. Wow. Easy to say. Beautiful name. That's right.

Anyway, back to prohibition. But yeah, so Woodrow Wilson sort of, he was on the outs. But he did get, he got women the vote. Well, I said, I don't think it was all women. I think it was like, was it rich white women or? And also, you know, he didn't do it out of the goodness of his heart or a, or, you know, a means to achieve equality. It's just like, well, it's another voter pool for me.

Yeah, they might vote for me. My vote for me, actually, if I do it, actually. The United Amendment in part says, The right of citizens of the US to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. Not by sex, but I'm guessing still by race and stuff, I don't know. But this episode isn't about that.

That could be a whole different thing. We didn't even ask that time. You asked yourself that. Just in the comments say yes or no. We could wait into that another time. We're not qualified, but we'll do it. Well, Wade versus Roe into it. Oh.

Oh. That's almost something. I don't understand, but I think it was smartest thing anyone ever hear you say. Do you think that was the smartest thing anyone's ever said, yes or no, in the comments? Sorry. And if I was barking up the wrong bush, yes or no in the comments. Okay, so Harding, the new presidente. He was a drinker, big drinker.

Cool president. Yeah, yeah. But he was pretty pragmatic. He voted against Prohibition at one point. point before eventually voting for it when it was politically beneficial to him. But this didn't stop him from having a drink from then on because like I said, possession and consumption was still legal on private property. While you weren't allowed to purchase booze during prohibition,

wealthy Americans stocked up on booze before the law came into place. Wow. You're trying to get a lifetime supply going. Yeah. Harding brought a huge private collection with him to the White House. So it didn't really affect him. or anyone who was rich who wanted to drink. And many of them are like, yeah, I agree.

The working people shouldn't drink. Yeah, they shouldn't drink. Have you seen them drunk? They're awful. They're awful. Me. I'm good. I'm a fun drunk.

My collar's clean and I've built a still in my house. And yeah, this whole idea of the wealthy, you know, kind of, like one rule for us, another rule for you. Yeah. It's the only example, I think, in history. I think it is. Yeah. I think it is.

It's a real aberration. You know? So should we let it go just this one time? I think we should let it go. Yeah. Just this once. I think they probably learn their lesson. Yeah.

Yeah. The rich. Well, that's how we got to the point now where everyone is equal. That's so true, isn't it? Yeah. As Rourabauer writes, the class bias of prohibition was extraordinary. The Yale Club legally served pre-war alcohol to its members, but working class speakeasies were raided.

The new York World newspaper said at the time, It makes for hypocrisy and class hatred. Lewis Swift, the wealthy Chicago meatpacker, told a journalist that Prohibition was good for the working class. As he was saying that, he was holding a cocktail. There it is. There we go. And I'll drink to that.

Cheers. As a journalist, are you, what class are you? You could share a drink with me unless you're working class, in which case you cannot. I'll have to escort you from my purpose. The bloody Yale Club would be involved somehow. Yale and Harvard and all those tofs. You know, have a drink on your on your kayak or whatever. You know, it's fine.

Cool, actually. Actually, yeah, really, six. Yeah. That sounds fun. If you're a Yale alum, yes or no in the comments. That's right. You ever have a drink on a jet ski? I bet you would.

Hashtag moist boys. There's no moister placing on the back of a wet jet ski. That's right. Whiskey. A whiskey. I love a whiskey. The class bias also was mixed in with other bigotry. According to Roraba,

small town dryers cared only about the drinking of Catholic and Jewish immigrants and African Americans who are either working class or poor. Wetz were accordingly un-American and the Methodist board of tempera stated, quote, if they do not like, I don't know if this rings any bells, if they do not like the way things are being done, let them go back to Europe. Oh, gotcha. But they're saying they're never, I've never read. read similar phrasing

on stickers on the back of vehicles. But what they're saying is they only care about making Jewish and these other groups not drink. Are they happy to drink them? Catholics, they're not happy to drink themselves. They don't care. Well,

I think it seems like there's a little bit of hypocrisy going on. Like, we don't think they should drink. We're drinking. But some of them were like full dedicated dryers who believed, you know, religiously that it's a moral to drink. leads to all sorts of bad things.

Right. Like being less efficient at my factory. That's right. So, yeah, obviously the US is a big country. And Prohibition was welcomed in many different ways. A lot of people were happy. Others were not in the big, the great big wet cities. You know, they found it very different to the small towns.

Like, finally, some sense going on. There's a bloody clowns up there on Capitol Hill. but I like the picture of Roarbao paints of that beautiful big wet city New York. God, it's so well. He also also calls him just the great cities. There's a great cities. How great are these cities? I had a holiday there once.

He's like, I've had a great time with my wife. My wife. So this is what he, the picture he paints. January 16, 1920, the last day that Americans. could legally buy a drink. In the great cities, revelers treated the evening like New Year's Eve.

Saloons, cafes, cabarets, dance halls, hotel bars and gourmet restaurants hung festive decorations, served special food and played music, while patrons ate, drank and danced. All evenings,

celebrants down glass after glass of their favourite and soon to be forbidden alcoholic beverages. No city turned out in greater force than did New York, which was often considered the wettest city on the continent.

Your Faby! As midnight approach, the band played, the patrons raised their glasses, ironically, to toast the beginning of dry America. When the clock struck 12, drinkers down their last drop of legal liquor accompanied by cheers, jeers, whistles, and noise makers. Then, celebrants looked at their empty glasses and called for another. In most places, waiters obliged. That's their first. In my last legal drink. And now, my first, a legal drink.

but it's pause for the ceremonial looking around and seeing if the cops are there and they're not all right another drink but they are also here drunk honestly i think yeah in certain cities that's what it was like they were they were being paid off uh with cash and booze man i'll buy you a drink if i'm allowed to have another drink all the drinks are right here so was it back then like the irish new york cops was like a big standard thing right and the irish apparently weren't went um pro prohibition But New York City in general wasn't. But I like how he says this. How long did Prohibition last in New York? About two minutes. Or however long it took to obtain a new glass. A bit of fun.

So yeah, it was banned, booze. It really did not go away, as Roeboro explains. Whenever a substance is banned, two things happen. First, the prices go up. And second, the product returns in a more concentrated form or replacement appears. And I think that's how concentrated cordial came about. That's true, yeah. You used to be able to drink cordial straight out of the bottle

It was so weak and now I wouldn't dare. You'd die. He lists a few... The Cotty's Act. It's abandoned for good. As well as Cotty's, which I'm sure we mentioned in the book, I can't remember exactly the page.

But he also talks about when opium was banned under the Harrison Act of 1914, that yielded heroin. Then the war against cocaine in the 1970s, that produced crack. And the prohibition of alcohol caused a shift from beer to hard liquor and also the substitution of opiates. You know, that's something that goes, my dad picks the fruit that goes to Cotis,

to make the Cordillah Park best. That was actually a deposition in court. It was a winner statement. And there was a jingo-a-jing-rother at the back going. This is good. I think it's telling in this. And is the man you're talking about in this room right now? He's over there.

So, yeah, the logic. is that if you're handling something illegal, you want to make sure you're getting bank for buck. Yeah. So this became double alcohol. Yeah, you're just, you're like, I need, if I'm transporting it around, I need it more condensed. So I'm going to get caught, you know, it's worth the risk.

Yeah, I mean, you see that, you know, even now and, you know, when it's last drinks at the pub, somebody would be like, oh, can we get, there's three of us here, can we get 12 beers? Yeah. Just this is last drink. So we'll get 12. We'll knock them off real quick. Yeah.

Or it's like, can you give me a quadrifice? Groupal whiskey? Just the one. Just the last one, it's fine. I'm only having one drink tonight. That's right. Can I have a jug of straight whiskey? Just the one.

Just the one. Haisley made spirits, made much more financial sense to criminals than beer. And the spirits, obviously, weren't aging for 12 years like they normally would with a whiskey. Oh, no. They were banging them out as quickly as possible. Basically, like, they were making what would turn into a whiskey eventually. So, like, 12-minute old whiskey. Yeah, that's right.

I think technically you might not be allowed to call it whiskey on the label. Oh yeah. It'll be illegal to call this whiskey. I'd be illegal to call it anything, actually. This Johnny Walker's was matured for the length of a deep breath. More like a Johnny Crawler. Oh, is that? Yep.

Roarabout continues. In many parts of the country, the illegal production of beer was problematic. The beverage spoiled quickly. It was too bulky to hide, and hijacking of delivery trucks was common. Distilled Spirit There's a lot of photos of, you can see photos of

of trucks being done there's one it's pretty fun they are, I think they only got done because they had a flat tire and they're like fuck

just like absolutely stacked with booze like finally we could bribe these guys with something that we had on us yeah like oh we'll make you a deal you can have

some of this we're taking all of it and you're done anyway mate so yeah distilled spirits were cheaper to produce storage was easier

and the higher price per gallon for spirits helped compensate for the higher risk of handling the illegal substance. Beer existed during Prohibition, especially New York, Chicago and a few of the other great cities. But the standard drink was distilled spirits. Prohibition brought back the very liquor that the original temperance movement had despised. Just, yeah, that's the main one of, well, this is back for it on it, hasn't it? Yeah, whoops. We were back to a really hard liquor and it's no longer regulated, so you could probably lose your vision as well. And you're not making any tax money for the, like, their...

Yeah, that's why the government's not getting their panda flesh or other anymore. Just, it's, yeah. Guys, with the benefit of hindsight, we have, we have seen some flaws in this temperance movement. Very embarrassing for those folks, I'll tell you what. Yeah, anyway, let's go buy some legal drugs. Hell yeah. Oh, hang on. Maybe there's a lesson in this.

David, you were in American, you were saying legal drugs. are a lot more common over there as well, right? Yeah, and so in many states, your marijuana is now a legal thing you actually buy from shops. And you did probably. Yeah, but you know about 420 every day, Mara? Oh, oh, oh, yeah.

It's 420 somewhere. You know what I mean? Yeah. I don't know if you get it, but it's pretty actually funny. I don't get it. In the comments, yes or no. So, yeah, it did not take long for illegal operations to spring up.

One example, Roebao, gives is future Pulitzer Prize. When you're talking about the Harvard boys. Oh, yeah. Do you know Bernard DeVoto? No, no. He was a non-fiction writer. I know you're a fiction man.

But he won... I hate the truth. He ended up winning a Pulitzer Prize. And he was like the go-to guy for the Harvard faculty, driving liquor from Montreal through the back streets of Vermont and getting it to the Harvard campus. Oh, you see, he was on. on the truck.

Yeah. Okay. It's some real Hunter S. Thompson Gonzo journalism there. Oh, yeah. He's like the king of spring break. Yeah. That's right.

So, he's Van Wilder. Yeah. Another example. We make a romcom. It's called hopelessly devoto to you. Oh. And he finds love on the back of that truck.

But then in about two thirds of the way through the movie, something that would have been fixed with a single sentence of communication. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I end up breaking them apart before that I realize their mistake and get back together at the end. Nice. And can he be played by Danny Devoto? Oh, yes.

Oh, yes. I'd love to see Danny Devoto. D.H. Danny Devoto. Yeah, D-A. Oh, no, you wouldn't have to because it'd be like, I'm 21. Because back then. Yeah, exactly. People look like.

People look really old. Yeah. I mean, I think he. I'm going to have it. Don't need a D.H because he pre-aged. Yeah. I think he's been about the same age for four years. I like this example in 1920

pilot landed a cargo of 18 cases of Canadian liquor at an airstrip near Des Moines, Iowa and the pilot sold each case for 250 bucks which is heaps of money about six times the prohibition price and he sold out in two hours and flew away before the police were even aware that he was there. Not a bad deal.

I imagine he just would have just be doing that back and forth. You keep the engine running. You keep the engine running. You can see the cops. Yeah, that's right. And I think they were able to buy it for so much because they were going to on sell it. Even more. But what they would do is dilute it with dodgy stuff, moonshine and what, right?

Sure, sure, sure. What is moonshine maybe you're asking? Maybe not. My whole life. Yeah, absolutely, yeah. Finally. That's what all this has been about. Finally, us learning the definition of moonshine.

Here we go. Let's lean in for this. We could have looked it up, but we waited for it to come to us. Naturally. So this is the writing of Senate Pay Rakeha for Britannica. He said, I love these other names. Moonshine's great. But what about rotgut?

White lightning. White dog or corn liquor. The last one that needs work. White dog. Rotka. Rotka. Hey, can I just get a couple of liters of rotka? I'm worried about some of this moonshine blind.

me but I'm confident of Rotgat. I reckon that that's probably good for me. Raker writes, Moonshine is a term typically used to refer to illicitly distilled liquor. The word is derived from the notion of the liquor being made and distributed at night under the cover of darkness. Makers of moonshine are called moonshainers. I wonder how they got to that. Rottgartgarters.

Moonshine most commonly denotes clear. White doggers. White doggers. White doggers. I guess the white, light and white. It's because it, you know, whiskey's normally quite brown because it's been aged and it takes on the colours of the barrel and stuff. Oh.

But this is clear because it just isn't aged at all. Someone just had a bath in it. It's just clear. Yeah. Made in copper or whatever. And yeah, it's basically the base spirit that becomes other spirits. But without any sort of regulations or checks being made on it and heaps of corners being cut. So it would be gross anyway.

But it's worse. that. Yeah. Because it was called corn liquor because of all the corn is being cut. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I thought. That's right. It was initially corn cutter.

Oh, yeah? But it's also a liquor. Maybe we can work that in as well and they did do that. Nice. And also the guy who made it used to lick a lot of corn. Chris corn liquor. Raker also talks about how moonshainers weren't necessarily fuss with quality control or the safety of their drinkers writing.

Distillers cut corners to speed up the fermentation and distillation processes, which led to a drop in the quality of the moonshine that sometimes did considerable harm to drinkers. Shottie distillation processes, for example, can leave methanol in the liquor, and consumption of methanol can cause blindness or death, sometimes both, which I think all death causes bloness, which was a risk for drinkers during the prohibition era. It was a scary time. You must really want to drink where you're like, ooh, you're playing Russian roulette with every for something you've paid 20 times the price for and it tastes awful. It tastes awful. And it could like kill you.

Yeah. Yeah. Uh, Mary. Mix it up with some ribena. Straight. Yeah. God, I need a drink. Yeah, mixes.

I'll talk about it soon. Mixes, uh, to become very popular. That's right. Um, Mary Wozniak dubbed Moonshine-Merry was convicted in the 1920s in Illinois for selling alcohol that killed a man. Moonshine was often made in car radiators, which could cause lead to leech into the liquor when it passed through drinkers' bodies,

again potentially resulting in blindness or death. Lend to lead leeching into the liquor. I wouldn't want to say that if you're dying of alcohol poisoning, would you? So that's three times fine. You're here at the hospital. What are you here for? Leaching from the liquor. Oh, I think he wants us to put leeches on him.

Let's do that. We're about to do anyway, so that works out of. In a car radiator, are these cars still operating? Yeah, I think that, you know, they're also delivering it at the time. It's warm. Here it is. Hot toddies, everyone. Straight out of the exhaust pipe.

Here we go. Cool. They're just serving up. Just cooling. Contaminators and microorganisms in moonshine cause health issues as well. Unsurprisingly, it also usually tasted pretty bad. One way this was overcome was adding something called Jamaican ginger extract, which was sold at the time as a medicine and contained a high level of ethanol.

And more booze. All right, great. Like 70 or 80%. Yeah, great. And none of this is regulated as well. So people are saying, oh, put Jake in, it could be anything. You're making me blind over here. In slang, it was known as Jake.

According to Aurora Bar, so it is named a few different ways. Much of what was sold as Jake was poisonous. It might kill or it could cripple the victim causing what was called Jake Leg. I like how they just had a fun name for it. Yeah, that's right. So a lot of people ended up with limbs and stuff because of Jake. Oh, my gosh. And it also killed a lot of people as well.

In 1930 alone, 50,000 poor people in Kansas City, Oklahoma City and Cincinnati were paralyzed. 50,000 in those three cities in one year. This is a controversial take. It's not worth it. No. Alcohol is not that good. It's not that good. It's not food or...

But also, this alcohol is much worse than... Yeah, it's terrible. But being drunk, it's not that good. No. It's not worth that. Maybe just, maybe get up early. look at a sunrise. You know?

That's cool, too, I reckon. That's just as good. I don't think they should have banned it, but also, if they did, I would not be tempted, even tempted a fraction by any of this shit. No. I'd be like, oh well, I get it, bearing in mind, there was nothing else to do then. Like, you've got internet, you know? And also, this booze is elongating your life.

So, right, so, I mean, I'm drinking at risking, shortening my life, but I'm also guaranteeing lengthening it, if you know what I mean. So true, actually, yeah. So at worse, it evens out. Yeah, okay, okay. That argument has won me over. Sarah Crocker for Grunge rights, the bootleggers attempts to make their alcohol palatable were uneven at best.

Unscrupulous producers reportedly added toxic ingredients to mimic genuine flavors. Some of this is real gross, so I give you a quick warning. Like rotten meat to make it smell it tastes like bourbon. Sure, all right. I like how they're like, they're obviously are people who are real connoisseurs of bourbon. You know what it's the taste like rotten meat? Chuck some of this shit. You're there in front of your fireplace in your leather chair and there's like bits of ground beef floating in your glass.

I'm like, oh. So got a fancy glasses. Yeah. I can't, like, I'm not a whiskey drink or any, I don't drink any straight spirits. I don't sip that kind of thing. I don't know some people like that. But for me, they already taste pretty bad. So I can't imagine how.

bad, the rotten meat version of bourbon taste to sip. Well, maybe to you, it would be, you'd be like, yeah, tastes a bit of a ross. It's good, actually, yeah. Maybe the people doing it had your palate for it. True. It's like, yeah, that's about, right. That's disgusting. That's right. Well, there's a little bit more, a little bit more rotten meat.

What do you think they would have used to get scotch? Scottish people. Scotty dogs? Close. Antiseptics. Oh. Yeah, creams, bombs. Oh, cream, sure, yeah.

A bit of cream in there. An unguant. A bit of creamery. Yeah. Uh, especially unlucky speak easy patrons might end up drinking embalming fluid. So I guess if you're about to die anyway, this is saving the embalments for the time. To master taste of less than ideal booze, many bartenders use mixes like juice or honey or a beaner, I suppose.

I love this. I love that. Can you just hold the booze? Yeah. He's going to drink of, uh, honey juice. Unlucky drinkers still face serious consequences. I mean, I'd almost be like, don't mask. the bad taste will let me know how.

Oh, right. Oh, how bad my internal organs are going. Yeah. You want to know what you're in for. I'm always at the bar going, can I get a UDL? But can you strain out all the alcohol? I just would like a, just a sort of a fantery drink, please. It's an orange drink.

Crocker says, some might endure frightening hallucinations. These are some of the serious consequences. Others would become dangerously ill, and a significant number of Americans died from tainted drinks. So, yeah, it's all you say. it's hard to imagine people going out there. But this is what an unregulated industry will do. They cut corners.

I know Mason is all about, oh, cut red tape, cut red tape. Exactly. That's right. Yeah. And you still agree. Yeah. That's right. But also during this era, a lot of people would just be killing over for no reason as well.

So you'd just be like, was it the tainted booze that killed my mate over there? Or did he just die because he was 36? And working in a lead mine. Yeah. It was a lead taste tester. That's right. It was a lead liquor. It was a lead liquor.

According to Rawbauer, another source of liquor throughout the 20s was industrial liquor. Okay. So solvents and so forth. Yes, and this was made legally. It was distilled legally by special federal permit in large quantities. Alcohol was used in paint, in anti-freeze, and as a solvent in many mechanical processes. Production rose from 28 million gallons in 1920, to 81 million gallons.

Yeah, we're going to lubricate so much stuff. Yeah, $1.25. Jeez. Everything's so insolvent at this factory. We need to solve it. I need to paint this my house again. And again. Now that no one's drinking, the productivity has gone through the roof.

Yeah, that's that. The dry is going. This is a good sign. See? Told your industry. Gone up. It's working. When Chief Prohibition enforcer Lincoln Andrews estimated that 90% of all bootle

like liquor contained at least some denatured industrial alcohol that was in 1925. So he's like, if you're drinking moonshine or any sort of dodgy liquor, it's probably got some sort of clean fluid in it, which is how like people now talk about Australian, at least Australian, you know, party drugs and stuff. They're like, it's probably got some drainer in it and all sorts of stuff. Yeah. To prevent its use in beverages, though, so this is where the government stayed ahead of it. The government require the industry to add toxic chemicals to the alcohol.

No! So it's already not good for you. Yeah. But they're like, they made the manufacturers, the producers make it even worse, basically deadly. There's going to be a couple of rough weeks where people who are drinking are going to figure this out. But then after that, people are going to be fine. Yeah, we get over the hump. While most additives had a foul smell or taste, this was not always true.

some industrial processes required tasteless and odeless poisons. Bootlegers often cut. Like making poison. Like if you wanted to poison your husband or whatever, you're going to buy one of those tasteless odalous poisons, obviously. And there was a huge industry for that back in the day. What a boom time for killing your husband.

Yeah. Like, oh yeah, I think he was into the moonshine. If we invented divorce by now, I wouldn't have to do this. But you're rotten and I'm going to poison you. Yeah. I don't have the vote. and I don't have divorce, but I do have the poison. So the bootleggers often cut their own product by adding cheap industrial liquor, alcohol, I should say.

It wasn't liquor. Okay. It was alcohol. Cleaning the floors with a bottle of divanaclav club and rum. An illegal side industry developed in removing toxins. If they could be purged, then industrial alcohol might yield a big profit. There was also, apparently, some were they're allowed to add the toxins in after. So there was this sort of dodgy side industry where they would sort of...

Some would just walk out the door without having the toxins added in. Just before they had. No, no, yeah. Oh, they've gone missing. Oh, but I really like the toxins. My favourite cocktails, I'll have toxins in. I kind of miss the toxins, if I'm honest. Rorabow writes, unfortunately, the amateur chemists sometimes produce deadly results.

As injuries and deaths grew, so did. the public outcry? So slowly people were turning on prohibition. They're like, this isn't solving any of the problems. You said it would. It's making a lot of things worse, actually. The public outcry grew, but both the government and dry forces wanted to punish drinkers for industrial alcohol. After several New Yorkers died and hundreds were sickened by bad liquor in late 1926, old mate Wayne Wheeler said, quote, the government is under no obligation to furnish the people with alcohol that is drinkable when the Constitution prohibits it. The person who drinks this alcohol is a deliberate suicide.

So it's like, yeah, they knew what they were doing. And he's like, and that's fine. Yeah, basically. And that's the tea. And it didn't go, I mean, you know, the wets didn't love this, the vibe. Yeah. Of old old mate W-W. The wet senator, Edward Edwards, I didn't notice that before.

They had all names available. This is a long time ago. And they chose the best ones. That's right. Twice. John, Edward Edwards. What was his name? Senator Edward Edwards and Johnson John.

So, yeah, Edward Edwards, a New Jersey Democrat senator, denounced the ASL lobbyist for condoning murder in his words. Willers callousness fitted with the dry view that all alcohol was a poison anyway. In 1930, there were 625 deaths from bad alcohol in New York City. So people that, like you say, and I don't know. I'm totally with you. I wouldn't be drinking it. But they know that people are and they're just like stuff them. That serves them right.

Yeah. Which is, you know, I mean, I think ever since there's been a different war on something where you see a similar kind of thing. People blame the people who are addicted to whatever. Mesa's one that does. But I blame everyone for everything. Yeah, that's true. If I can blame someone for something, I'll do it.

You love blame. Yeah, that's right. You love a portion. And I blame you for that. You led me to that. I was normal and then you were like, have you considered blaming everybody for everything? And I'm like, I will. Thanks for nothing, Matt.

Well, honestly, I didn't, I didn't think it through. Yeah. Because that was on me. And that's on you and Dave. Because he's supposed to be the voice or isn't here. He is. Yeah. I'm supposed to be.

Yeah. Yeah. Thanks a lot, Dave. God. You're welcome. You are in our very same city as us when I was having a. quiet conversation with Moso. He needed nothing to stop it.

That's a real non-Maso act. I'm a coward. Prohibition had so many unintended consequences, but perhaps the most surprising to me was it helped create NASCAR racing. Okay. Oh, hell yeah. I mean, you're going to get a Frankie Muniz reference in here.

He loves racing a little car or whatever. Well, if it wasn't for Prohibition, we wouldn't have had Frankie. Wow. Wow. Wow. He might not actually race NASCAR. It might be a different. different category of race cars.

The spirit's there. Spirit is there. In the comments, yes or no. Yeah. For history.com, Christopher Klein writes NASCAR Hall of Famer Junior Johnson. First discovered. Junior Johnson. Junior Johnson, Jr.

That's his son. Junior Johnson Senior. Junior Johnson, Jr. Junior Johnson, JJ, first discovered his talent behind the wheel while running moonshine as a teen. Saying, he said much later in 1990. He was quite an old man in that point. Wow.

Moonshining was part of my growing up But it was also part of my training in auto racing Being in that business You had to have a very fast car And you had to be able to outrun the revenues Or highway patrol or sheriff or whoever tried to pursue you And you had to be able to drive around and around and around In circles

At first I had to get used to the fact That I wasn't picking up any big crates of stuff On the track So I would slow down and they'd be like, keep going You're not picking up booze Junior. Yeah, pit stops. That was his special team.

That's right. Yeah, Prohibition era. Drivers transporting moonshine from rural areas or also illegally importing booze from Canada had to make, change their vehicles to move the authorities. Oh, yeah, every other country was fine at this point. No other country cared about prohibition. I think others did, but yeah. Canada was like that.

Certainly Montreal was, I think some areas of Canada might have been dry as well. Mexico wasn't. So people were... Visa La Mexico. Texas had a hard time keeping the tequila out. I read a New York Times article which talked about it and it said tequila in brackets, a popular liquor in Mexico.

I'm like, isn't that amazing? A hundred years ago, Americans had to have tequila explained to them. But then I remember the 1990s ad campaign for tacos. In Australia. What's a tacos? What's the tacos? What the hell's a tacos? I guess it was like a...

Hey, hey, you, what's a tacos? No, what's a burrito? What's a burrito? Barato, the barito, brothers? Or a hit band back in the 60s. Great ad. Great ad. Great ad.

It's so funny to think that, 30 years ago, I was like, what the hell are you talking about? Anyway, back to Klein's riding here. They're figuring out how to drive fast down tough roads. because they're running booze. Johnson later told the BBC, if it hadn't been for whiskey,

NASCAR wouldn't have been formed. That's a fact. They also talk about how Ford was a big dry man, Henry Ford. Oh yeah, that's right. And so they thought it was a bit of fun that the... And the Kellogg's guy was against whanking. I know, Dave.

No, unrelated, but I just, you know... It's just something that's important. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Imagine if Henry Ford and the Gallox guy around the world. It'd be a little different, wouldn't I? I think it'd go a little something. It's okay. There's nothing drier than corn flakes, am I right?

No, thank you, and I won't today. That's the play. Yeah, yeah. Go like that. So, yeah, so apparently the booze runners, these drivers found the best cars were Ford's V8s. Hell yeah. So they were the ones, nearly all of them used to run booze.

what should have been a bit of fun you're dry why you're making such great cars to drive booze around in there why you're hitting yourself Henry why you're hitting yourself As client continues With relative ease

mechanics could soup up their Ford V8s to gain a few extra miles per hour of speed which could make all the difference in car chasers To further allude revenue agents In the police bootleggers tricked out their cars With features that seemed to be straight out

of a spy movie or a loony tunes cartoon Oil slick 100% Yes No They had devices that with a press of a button Could release smoke screens Oil sinks

And even bucket loads of tacks To puncture the tires of their pursuers That's the best Nice I'm like Oh they're so creative at Looney Tunes No they're just ripping off real life Wow

Do they have a James Bond ejector seat Yes Boyo-yo-o-o-o-i-o-like If the guy in the passenger seat's like You know I'm not so sure about this booling anymore Well see you later Boi-o-o-o-o-o-o-i-o-ing

And then an Acme... Big weight falls on the airball. He ever falls on his head, yeah. And he becomes an accordion. During the 1930s, moonshiders began to race their whiskey cars at local fairgrounds and racetracks where they discovered that people,

sometimes tens of thousands of them, were willing to pay to watch them showcase their driving skills. Sometimes tens of thousands. Sometimes tens of thousands. You have to know. I was here. Look, there's tens of thousands of people here.

Where do they come from? Oil slick. Oil slick. Oh, are they doing like, Mario Kart star racing with little weapons, like trying to take each other out? Green shell, green shell, do the green shell. Toad was the first NASCAR champion. Not a lot of people know that.

Yeah, so long story. Earnhardt Jr. Long story short. This all developed in a NASCAR racing. That's awesome. Apparently, I think there was a bit of a split where the guy, like a lot of the people involved, continue to have... Side businesses.

They still love making... moonshine and stuff, even after Prohibition, but there was a bit of a split decades and decades ago where the guy running, it's like, started denying that background. Oh, yeah, uh-huh. Clean it up for the families, yeah. But now they're sort of a, they're talking about it a little bit more. You can read about it on their website a bit. Right.

It's a bit of a cheeky thing now, not a dodgy thing. Yes. It was so long ago, a bit of fun. Yeah, I think it adds to the myth of it all right. So, yeah, like we were saying, May, so a lot of other countries, you could go to and drink. Oh, hell yeah. Like Mexico.

Americans would go on boozy holidays south of the border. And if they were heading somewhere like the UK via ship, the drinking could start straight away. Oh, international waters. Yeah, nice. Going to rob our passengers and crew drank while crossing the Atlantic. But then the Treasury Department declared that no ship that docked in the US could carry alcohol inside the three-mile limit. Which meant you can't carry it. If you're going to dock there, you can't have it.

at all. You have to put it on a little dingy and leave it out in the ocean and then somebody can come and steal your dingy. A little buoy. Or is a little challenge is like, you have to drink it all by the time you get. Yeah, yeah. It's like I was saying last drinks. Sorry guys, last drinks, we're five miles from shore.

We cannot, we cannot approach the United States if any alcohol is left on the ship. We're circling the block. Yes, a few delivery is finished. And that's how NASCAR was in. So there were diplomatic protests. and the State Department then allowed foreign ships to enter American waters with alcohol on board, as long as it was all locked up. American ships, however, had to be bone dry, which I don't know if you guessed what this led to,

basically the crushing of the American travel industry. Because everyone's like, well, I'm going to travel with the English company. That's way cooler. Yeah, yeah. Imagine you're on an American ship in the harbour and you're like sitting there with your glass of water or whatever, and then a British ship goes the other way and everybody's just booze in. Just, woo-hoo, you know. They're murdering you.

Yeah, that's amazing. The moonshining you. And I know actually like legitimate booze as well. Yeah, it would be. Oh, yeah, the good stuff. The stuff that won't kill you. Yeah, exactly. It's true.

We're all alive. Hey, Jack lives here. Woo. I'm still drinking. What's this? Yeah. Jack. Jack den Mills.

So, yeah. So, yeah, so the American, uh, the sales ships just. really struggled for business and they tried vainly to win people but we don't have booze but we're putting on we've got some games

we've got Wayne Newton some games yeah we got Wayne Wayne's here is that when they started doing stuff like putting roller coasters and water slides on because I needed something We've got pit bull

Mr. Worldwide is going to perform on the ship boats were also used to import booze illegally as Roebur explains Canadian liquor often arrived at anchored ships just outside that three-mile radius.

Hell yeah. And they're able to unload the boats in broad daylight. And the, you know, the US Coast Guard wouldn't be able to do anything about it. They're just on the other side of it, you know, an invisible line. And they know why they're unloading it, but they can't do anything about it until they cross that line. So then under the cover of darkness, speedboats would then dart off delivering it to the shore. and as Rawbaugh writes, offloadings were completed in minutes, and the speedboats reached shore long before the Coast Guard could do so.

And this was not an accident. The bootleggers had used public records to find out where the Coast Guard vessels had been built. They had gone to these shipyards and studied the blueprints, and then they had commissioned the same shipyards to build boats that were faster. Nice. I want that, but better. That's incredible. Oh, yeah.

What bother with the blueprints? You know that one you did for the Coast Guard? Can you give us a faster one? but paint it red. Yeah. It'll be faster. In 1925, the Prohibition Bureau estimated that only 5% of the liquor illegally entering the United States was stopped. So, a lot was still getting through.

And that was the safer stuff to drink. Wow. Just the, I guess the people that manufactured cruise ships just switched to speedboats. It destroyed the cruise ship industry, but it, not the speed. We're rum runners now. The speedboat guys, yeah. And we're disruptors. Yeah, that's right.

Hey? Isn't this celebrated here in America? Yeah. Rourabow continues. The most famous rum runner was Bill McCoy, who refused to cut liquor. From his diet and his exercise routine. Honored business arrangements and he never cheated. His quality goods were labelled the real McCoy, a brand of high reputation and premium

at a premium price. Hence the expression. That's one of the. theories. But there are about 12 theories. Different McCoys, even McKay's. And you know, other names. McCain?

The real McCain's P's and Co? I. I.O. What was that slogan? Iyo McCain. You've done it again? Yes. Arm McCain.

What did that mean in your mind? Iyo McCain. I thought it was a pirate mascot. Hey, McCain, you dog. You've done it again. I can't deny. I'll kill you, your dog. But you've done it.

again. On special this week, Coles, Red Spot Special. And it wasn't just cars and boats that we used to transport booze. This story was brought to my attention

by a listener, Tori McCleskey, who wrote, The Real Runners name The Real McCleskey. The real McCleskey rights. During American Prohibition, Texas Rangers were

infuriated by a donkey, someone had trained to continually find its way home to Texas, after they loaded it with rum in Mexico. Without a human bootlegger present, they couldn't charge the donkey and the smuggling continued.

That's so true, isn't it? That's what we call air bud rules. Yeah. There's no rule in here that says a donkey. Can't smuggle those. You can't arrest a donkey. That's the best. It's a homing pigeon, but a donkey.

Apparently the Rangers dubbed the donkey the lone rum running jackass of Star County. Bit of a mouthful, but. Greg. Yeah. McCleskey suggests I do a whole topic on that. So I apologize that we've just very briefly gone on it. And I've just read out your exact words.

But I thought, too much fun to leave out. That's so fun. But yeah, if we're going to talk about prohibition, and we are, and I think we, in some ways we have already. We are going to get to it. We are going to get to it. That's a big lead-up here, guys. I think we've got to talk about organized crime.

Two things are synonymous. And did you know the first one really produced the second one? For some for Prohibition, organized crime in America, wouldn't have didn't really come about. We wouldn't get award-winning TV show The Sopranos. Exactly. It was very inorganized before. So it feels like it was probably worth it.

Yeah, I think it's absolutely worth. He's depressed. You go to see us out therapist. That's amazing television, you know? That time they go to kill that Russian guy in the woods and they get cold. What an episode. Remember that one? Yeah.

Great. Worth it. Worth it. Left to the loose end. Yeah. Worth it for those 50,000 people that died in Kansas or whatever for poison booze. Worth it. Worth it.

I agree. Yeah, me too. I agree with that thing that I said. So, yeah, I'll talk a little bit about it. Dave Roos writes this for History.com. The term organized crime didn't really exist in the United States before Prohibition. Criminal gangs had run amuck in American cities since the late 19th century, but they were mostly bans of street thugs running small-time extortion and loan sharking rackets

in predominantly ethnic, Italian, Jewish, Irish and Polish neighborhoods. In fact, before the passing of the 18th Amendment in 1919, it wasn't the mobsters who ran the most organized criminal schemes in America, but corrupt political bosses. Oh, oh. Like disorganized crime. This is according to Howard Abedinsky, a criminal justice professor at St. John's University. John's, John, who wrote a book called Organized Crime.

But the underworld. Oh, great title. How long did it take it? to think that one up. But what's it about? It was it about, mate? It doesn't describe it. You dumb ass.

You dumb ass. Professor St. John. I tell you what. Howard Aberdinski was really having a nice time to listen to this episode until moments ago. The first two hours were really nice. Ruse continues, the underworld power dynamic shifted dramatically with the onset of prohibition.

With legitimate bars and breweries out of business, someone had to step in to fuel the substantial thirst of the roaring 20s. And no one was. better equipped than the mobsters. The key to running a successful bootlegging operation, Abadinsky explains. Pinsripe suit. Number one.

Yep. One of those cars with the running board on the side and a guy could stand on the running board. That's number two. And he had a Tommy gun. Number three. Yeah, nice. Hell yeah.

Number four, Aberdinski says, paramilitary organization. Ooh. At first, the street gangs didn't know a thing about business, but they knew how to handle a gun, Tommy gun, and how to intimidate the competition. E, I've got a Tommy gun. and I'll use it on you. I'm not afraid to use it.

That's right. I'm not, I swear to God, I'm not afraid. That's right. I do it right now. Certainly not fear that's... I don't feel like it. I just don't feel like it. Otherwise, I would.

You'd be dead already. Yeah. So just think about that. Big bullets. All right, I'm going now, but just remember what we talked about. Heaps of bullets, heaps of them. I've got heaps. I can shoot you with it and then I'd have more bullets later for another guy.

Easily. Yeah. Yeah. So just, yeah, keep that in mind. Yeah. All right. Well, anyway, good to see you. Yeah, thanks.

Good to see you. They could protect illegal breweries, this is the mobsters, and rum running operations from rival gangs, provide security for speakeas and pay off nosy cops or politicians to look the other way. It wasn't long before the mobsters were raking in absurd amounts of money, and it was bosses and cops who were taking the orders. Things had flipped. Suddenly, gang leaders are making deals with each other, says Abedinsky,

forging mutual protection packs across state and international borders and across ethnic lines. to ensure that shipments of illegal alcohol poured freely into the big cities. These are very violent people who are used to solving problems by killing them. And they're not afraid to. Killing their problem. They're not afraid to do it. Oh, no, my heater's broken.

I'll kill it. You're a dead heater. I've warned you once, Dakin. This is your last chance. I'm going to invert you from alive to dead. But eventually they all sat down and said, we'll guarantee peace in your area. guarantee peace in our area.

Organized crime. In the absence of Prohibition, it's actually a beautiful thing. It is a beautiful thing. In the absence of Prohibition, he said, we wouldn't have had the kind of syndicated criminality that occurred. Prohibition was the catalyst. Still with Ruse, in the 1920s, Charles Lucky Luciano.

Did you talk about him in after the five families? He's one of the founding, the Luchiano family's founded by him, right? Yeah, he brought together some of New York's biggest Italian and Jewish mobsters to dominate the city's bootlegging business. In Chicago, Johnny Torrio kept a fragile piece between his Italian-run bootlegging operation in the city's south side and the Irish and Polish gangs

work in the north side. But it didn't last. By the time Torrio's protege, Alcaponne took over. Alfonso Caponino. That's right. He came from New York and really, like, very quickly started dominating Chicago. He's like the main guy.

There ended up being an all-out turf war and then in the infamous St. Valentine's, Day massacre of 1929. Capone's men dress as police officers, or some of them did, and they gunned down seven of the rival gangs, henchmen. I think a couple of them were just unluckily there at the time. Or some of the police officers, some of dresses to build a... Yes.

The village people. Native American, there we go. It was a village piece. Construction guy, police guy. The St. Valentine, the full title, St. Valentine's Day, YMCA. Tamaatic, it was the full title. I'm not going to go into the mob and compone any more than that, because obviously this is already a huge episode.

They were all there, flat top, little face, mumbles, prune face, Dick Tracy, all those guys. I remember all of them, not Dick Tracy. Yeah. But yeah, love to do Al Capone one day. That feels like a block topping in itself. Yeah, a lot of people suggested, I think, and it was actually, it didn't quite win the vote, but I feel like rather than just doing a few paragraphs on Al Capone, we'll save him for his own.

For sure. That's awesome. Own topic. And the untouchables will probably be brought into that as well, which, is linked into this, but we'll just save all of that on the side. If we didn't get the untouchables, we wouldn't have got Waterworld. That's true. Well. Yeah.

It's all worth it. One of the biggest wets of all. Oh, my God. They are so wet. They are so wet. They're always wet. They're like, this sucks. I'm too wet.

Yes. Yeah. I wish there was a little bit of dry, honestly. The alternative reality. where the wets worn out. It's actually too wet. That was the slug of that movie. This is actually too wet.

Is this what you wanted? Huh? We're stopping. We're stopping. I can't get dry. I'm in dry. During Prohibition, there was no shortage of places to drink, the safest of which was the home.

Is that the name of a bar? Yeah, yeah. Everyone knew your name there. At home. That's because it's just your wife and kids. I'd be sad if they didn't know, you know. According to Rorabourabow, this led to the invention of the home cocktail party. He writes, hostesses issued written invitations and dress was often formal.

Cocktails were modern and sophisticated, but obviously mixed often with disgusting drinks. Oh, yeah. Can I get an old-fashioned with a whiskey with some meat in it, please? Absolutely, you can. That is the only option. We got heaps of that. Yeah. It's rotting. Is that okay?

Because of the... Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, Craig. That must the taste of everything else. We've got the rotting horse flesh juice. It's fantastic. Because of the mediocre bootleg spirits, they had to be cut with a mixer to be palatable. Not enjoyable.

Palatable. The hostess has prepared cocktails in the kitchen and then pass them around the living room on a tray. Men drank martinis and manhattans while women took sweeter drinks such as gin fizzers and lime rickies. I don't know what a lime rickie is, but I fricking love the name. That's the answer is. Guys, let's get lime rickies after this. Can we? Let's go to a local Brunswick bar.

I'd be like, three lime rickies please. They'd be like, what? What are you talking about? You heard me. You know what? We could find the right guy that would make his day though. Absolutely. Yeah.

Three lime rickies. Oh my God. He clang a little bell and be like, Lime rickies on deck. Let's go. And a line building up behind us of just people going on, I just want to be a... In Harlem, another kind of private event became popular.

Rent parties. To gain entry, guests would pay a fee. They could then eat and drink and dance while the tenant earned enough to pay the rent. Okay. These are, I think these were particularly big in, in,

in the black communities. It was like one of the places where white people wouldn't be, uh, gained entrance because there was such, so much of a higher chance that they were narcs. Yeah, that makes sense. No,

I'm a good one. I swear. There were nearly, there were very, very few black agents in the prohibition forces or whatever. And New York, uh, June Prohibition, New York State voted that they were going to stop like enforcing the law,

so only the federal people in New York did it, and there were only like a couple hundred of them. So it was pretty much, pretty much free brain in New York. It's pretty obvious to the Naxway when they came in. Yeah, yeah. Hey, guys, we're here for the cool, cool party. Let us in. We plan some jazz tonight, yeah. Oh, how I'm a lot drinking.

Oh, you got Wayne Newton on the stereo. Here we go. Well, Michael Boubley. Depending on where you were in the country, the supposed to be doing it's, the underground dream culture was quite avert. Roarabout continues. Folks, Dave's taking his wedding ring off. I didn't want to say anything.

So he's getting ready for that lime rickie. One low alcohol. Lime Ricky. Riki. Ricky. Rikki. According to Roba, the New Yorker even published street prices for alcohol as well as recipes for mixed drinks.

Fashionable stores sold serving trays, cocktails shakers and tall highball glasses. This trays for putting your Bible on. I'm worried about it. What are you going to use that for? It's like, what's that chain of stoner shops? Oh, off your tree. Off your tree.

It's just like sells, it's all bongs. Whereas, marijuana is a plant holder. It's a vase. Yeah. That's a put your breakfast smoothie in. Yeah. That's for your protein shakes. Yep, that's right.

Yeah, it seems like there were loopholes everywhere. For the Smithsonian, Megan Gambino writes, during Prohibition. Gambino, is that a big name? Is that a crime for that? It's a crime name. That's a crime name. Oh, well. Gambino writes.

And maybe a type of pizza as well, I can. Yeah. Well, this one's a historian. And she writes, during Prohibition, the US Treasury Department authorized physicians to write prescriptions for medicinal alcohol. It's quite similar to marijuana and Australia at the moment. Yeah. I have anxiety. I need an old-fashioned, thank you.

Well, literally, they get prescriptions for whiskey and beer. Lawson's doctors with pads of government-issued prescription. forms, advised their patients to take regular doses of hooch to save off a number of ailments, cancer, indigestion, and depression amongst them. Presumably, doctors were doing examinations and diagnoses, but it was mostly bogus, says Daniel OK Rent, Ockrent, probably, author of of last call, the rise and fall of prohibition. This is one of the bibles of prohibition. Every 10 days, patients willing to pay about $3 for a prescription and other three or four bucks to have it field could get a pint of booze.

There may have been some people who were being prescribed because there was a perceived medical need, but it was really a way for some physicians and pharmacists to make a few extra bucks, he says. Rourabaut continues, these prescriptions turned drug stores into liquor stores. In 1916, Charles Walgreens, yeah. Well, he owned nine pharmacies before Prohibition, but by the end of the 20s, he operated 525,000.

five. So the Prohibition really kicked off Walgreens as a chain. I wonder if that's on the Walgreens website. Legal alcohol profits enabled him to expand the empire quickly. Gambino writes, the National Prohibition Act, which enforced the band also allowed farmers to produce wine for their own consumption and priests, ministers and rabbis to serve it during religious ceremonies. So as Royal Bauer writes, if you knew a rabbi or Catholic priest, real or fake, you might

have someone who might provide wine in return for a contribution. You know, we'll make a little donation of the church. You give us a bottle of plonk. The homemade wine loophole is pretty fun as well, as Rob Bauer continues. A head of household could legally ferment up to 200 gallons of fruit juice a year to 200 gallons a family for family use. Grape juice. It's for my family. It's for my kids.

I get some thirsty kids. They are their juice. So all you needed was grape juice, sugar and yeast. and California producers would ship grapes to make wine, but they also dried grapes and pressed them into bricks and sold them to make reconstituted grape juice. That's right. You could buy grape bricks.

And they became very popular. Rawlbauer rides. God, imagine taking a big bite out of that grape brick. That'd be, I'd love that. Just a big, the biggest sultane you've ever seen. Nom, num, num, num, num, num. Just with a knife and fork. Yes.

Like a meatloaf that's a, that's a, that's a grape. You'll have a grape sandwich. So they came with instructions to add water to make juice, but warned that sugar and yeast would create an alcoholic beverage. Brick sales sword. Don't do this. We're telling you this so you know what's not to do.

And definitely don't leave it for this many days and check on it this many times a week. And store it in a cellar at this temperature. Because if we accidentally do that, you might accidentally create alcohol. We don't want that. At about 13%. Yeah. The wet editor, Arthur Brisbane, promoted the bricks in print writing, quote, The grape growers are not held responsible for the laws of nature,

which seem to have no sympathy for prohibition and turn innocent grape juice into wine. Exactly. It's just nature. It's natural. It's natural. Natural. Are you anti-nature? No.

No. I'm pro-nature. I'm pro-nature, actually. Yeah. We haven't talked about the Ku Klux Klan yet. Okay. We're required to every time the boys get together. We're going to talk about.

about that KKK. That's exactly right. Smart casual. The Ku Klux Klan were apparently concerned about lax enforcement of prohibition. Yeah, that sounds about right. Yeah, the dry, so the draw, the KKK. As we're about rights, the clan invaded Carroll County to impose its own peculiar form of law and order. One Ku Kluxer explained that an excellent way to obtain liquor was to seize it by marauding with the clan.

Hey, guys, you want to do a marauder? I'm thirsty. Let's go to marauds. Let's go maraud. In many parts of the US, the clan attacked distilleries or wet shipments. If local officials cannot enforce law, vowed one clan leader and Methodist minister in Denver, Colorado, love that that's the same person. We should teach them how. The Indiana Clans magazine, the Fiery Cross promised, the clan is going to drive bootlegging out of this land.

But also, if you could subscribe to our magazine, that would be terrific. Sold in all good news agencies. That's right. Or bodegas. Is that one of this? Or what's new? In Williams... Typically, I don't think

What's News sells the Ku Klux Klan magazine. I just want to be there about that. I just sell those vases. They do, yeah. It's a vase shop. Yeah, we've got a few vase shop chains in. We're in.

In Williamson County, Illinois, the Federal Prohibition Bureau agent in charge deputized hundreds of clansmen from neighboring counties to assist in a series of simultaneous raids. The resulting deadly mayhem led higher-ups in the Prohibition Bureau to replace the head agent.

Weird, he lost his job over that, recruiting heaps of clan members to go on a rampage officially for prohibition. That is wild. I wouldn't have been surprised of that paragraph ended in promotion. Thankfully, they did step in and say. I think there should be heaps of clan members, but like not in that way. Should be a big heap. Yeah. Open graves. Yeah, in a way.

I hate to tell you this, most of a 50% of our audience are clan members. that one is not true I don't think that actually isn't tracked by ACAST but people keep emailing it in you're like as a clan member keep it up boys yes or no in the comments

it's going to start to get confusing what you're answering now President Harding died of a heart attack in 1923 and VP Calvin Coolidge I had enough booze You had enough booze I've had a lot of booze

That's just why I'm like this. Yeah, we had a, well, you wouldn't know, listeners, but we had about a three-hour break, and we've all had a lot of lime rickie. That's right. I've had a little too much Ricky. I've had a gallon of Ricky. We are not getting scurvy, fellas.

I tell you that much. I told mine to hold the lime. I'll just get a jug of Ricky, please. A big jug of Richard, please. Yeah, I'm not on, I'm not on nickname basis. It's just a jug of Richard, please. Jugg a dick President Harding died of a heart attack in 1923

and VP Calvin Coolidge took over Cool cow Cool cow The following year he ran for re-election Oh first time First time for election But you know what I mean Because he's acting person

Yeah yeah yeah On the promise to improve Prohibition enforcement So he was like Yeah I'm doing him I don't think he was Maybe his heart wasn't really And it didn't say

Why any of the presence Were necessarily Right They were just like Whatever you want me to say You want me Do everything You want to hear this?

Yeah. Because it's like, probably, you still sort of like prohibition, but you're just like, oh, you're not really enacting it well.

Well, I'll enforce it better. Yeah, he wants. I guess if we're going to do it, we may as well do it properly. Um, and he won in part

because the Democratic Party was bitterly divided between wets and dries. They, they split their own party again. They threw their own party. They had a dry guy and a wet guy. And, and, uh,

yeah, they couldn't figure out which way to go. They could have been, they could have been a bunch of moist boys, which is the perfect position to be in. Exactly. But they couldn't make that compromise. They were too proud.

If I spoke of that democratic thing, I would have said something like, shouldn't we go with the side the clan isn't on? You know, it's a bit of a rule of thumb. Some of us like the clan, though. Oh, shit. I didn't want to know that about my party. They're party split again.

A lot of us were in the clan, actually, TBH. Yeah. Yeah, because Democrats were the, were they the pro-slaver? Switcheroo at some point. I'm not sure when. Yeah, Lincoln was Republican. He was the anti-slave guy. Yeah.

I'm a bit of an expert on history. Specifically, the American history is we're fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We all know our stuff. Oh, yeah. But yeah, I don't, he got back in landslide, but I don't think it really improved all that much. Coolidge didn't end up seeking another term. Instead, another president I've heard of, Herbert Hoover ran.

Oh, yeah. For the Republicans, he won in a landslide. Hoover was apparently pretty neutral on Prohibition, but it was part of his party's platform. So he put out a statement, which is often sort of used in reference to Prohibition. He called it a great social and economic experiment, noble in motive and far reaching in purpose. So people sometimes call it the Noble experiment, stuff like that you hear, I guess pejoratively maybe. I'd call the Nobles experiment. I'm pretty sure there's a bar in Melbourne called the Noble experiment.

Yeah, they might be. And I guess that's what it's a reference to. Was he kind of trying to wrap it up. They've been like, guys, this was a good idea. Your heart was in the right place. It hasn't really worked out. So let's just get rid of good on you. Yes.

Good on you. I don't know if you noticed this. Checking the breeze. I don't know if you notice this, but millions of people are still drinking and they're laughing at you. Yeah. And we're not making any income from the tax. Yeah. They're still spending more.

It's more expensive. But we're not getting a cut of it. I've worked. And it's worse and people are dying. Look, I think it's. in every single possible way, the taste is worse? I've been thinking out loud here, and I think maybe we should change the name to the stupid experiment for stupids.

Yeah, the rest of the quote is, and I was being sarcastic. Nah, it's opposite day in Congress. So during his term, public opposition to prohibition grew, and more and more people seem to flout the laws. I've mentioned speakeasy. I love flout and a law. I'll tell you. Flout and the law. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Flout in the law, flat, flout in the law, you know. That's good.

That's okay. You won't know this, but we just had another three hour break. We went out flat in the law. And, yeah, so if we sound a bit tuckered out, we've had a big flout. So, yeah, I've mentioned speak easy. So let me explain them to you a little bit. But, you know, generally speaking, unlicensed bars. Nice. After Prohibition, legal restaurants and bars tried to keep trading with

non-alcoholic beverages, but they soon went out of business. It was too early for boost juices. People didn't know you could make a mint out of that. You were coming here for the vibe, right? This room's really nice to hang out in. Yeah, we got women praying over here. So by 1924 in New York City, only 20% of pre-war licensed saloons remained. Oh, that sucks.

And, yeah, all their customers migrated over to speak easies. speak easy is actually go back quite a few decades before prohibition i mean i'm sure unlicensed bars go way back but the term speakies is easies apparently according to miller and brown from eighteen seventy four a few state governments adopted a new tactic to reduce alcohol consumption raising the price of liquor selling licenses intended to reduce a number of bars the 1888 brooks high license act raised a saloon licensing fee in pennsylvania from fifty to five hundred dollars but instead it gave the world a new term speech As an Ohio newspaper reported, in Pittsburgh they call a place where liquor is sold without a license to speak easy. It is likely the trend began in McKee's sport just outside of Pittsburgh where illegal saloon operator Kate Hester was known to hush Rorke's patrons by whispering, Speak easy. Soon it was popularized in Philadelphia and the notion spread from there that drinking in an unlicensed establishment implied the habitual had to speak easy. or softly, to escape the notice of police. Basically, just keep it down.

I'd call them the shut up cafes. Hey, shut up. Shut up. You're going to look at a cafe. All right? You're supposed to have had a fucking latte. New York's the world wrote in 1895. The speakeasy has always been the result whenever prohibition has been attempted.

If we had to, if we had no intolerant crusade, we would have no speak easies. That was five years before it came in through a marriage, like sort of like, They probably ran an article 30 years later saying, told you, or called it. Yeah. Headline called it. Body, told you. And here are some addresses to some German people. No, different paper.

I don't think that, I feel like they were a very wet paper. Basically paper mashet in the process of being made. Obviously not the end where it is dry. Of speak easy's crockery rights, the first step in the Prohibition era speakeasy experiences was naturally of finding a speakeasy. but simply knowing that one existed nearby wasn't enough. Essentially, you had to show that you were safe and not a snitch or police officer hoping to close down the joint.

Speak easies didn't operate in a uniform way, but according to raw bow, to be discreet, a typical speakeasy lacked any sign and the large, thick and plain wood door often contained either a peephole for the bouncer to see out of or a small opening where the potential customer could be screened. They were called Judas Judus Holes, I think. Just check if a... It's a traitor out there.

All right. You were Judas? Yes. Well, you're not coming in. I like our rule about. Are you, are you a policeman trying to shut us down? You have to save.

You have to save you are. That's the number one rule. This, I mean, this sort of, you know, if you were the police trying to shut anything down, you would look for the plain wood door

with the, with the, with the people for it, wouldn't you? I mean. Why does that door have a peephole? We're doing religion in here. Oh,

that's fine. You can't come in. We're praying really loudly. Some, someone men are in the clan. we're doing a clan meeting oh that's fine that's fine the clan also like the

the little Judas hole at the front don't they that's true the hoods is that well you're gonna you're gonna tell anyone what I'm up to in here because it's pretty shameful what happens in this hood

it's my business but I'm also the minister of the church so don't tell anyone that though not in print in our own published paper so yeah

you'd either have a password or you'd be a member they just know who you were. You just try password, I reckon. Is it password? It is. Local police officers were usually welcome. Their visibility tended to preserve water.

Is it booze, one, two, three, four, five? It is booze one, two, three, four five. You can't come in. You can come in. Cops are allowed in. Cops are allowed in. Okay, this is weird. Once New York Speakeasy owner during the period was quoted saying,

the first day we opened up, the police came right in to be stood drinks. And I've had these four cops on my side in this business from that day. on. Right. So if the cops aren't shutting them down, who would shut them down then? The federal agents. Yes, like I was saying before, at some point in New York, and every state was different, some of it, like everyone was anti and would, everyone snitching. But in New York, there's not that many there to keep it under control. I think it's like less than a couple hundred agents. Yeah, sure. To find a speak easy, usually you would have to have the inside word, but others would subtly let you know as well. For instance, according to the Mob Museum, they would paint their doors green as a

signal to prospective clients. Okay. Just don't tell the agents. Don't tell the agents. According to Crocker, two Chicago Speakeasies became known for this, namely the Green Door Tavern and the Green Mill Cocktail Lounge. Even smaller joints like the Green Door in Fortescue, New Jersey also went by the name. Some speakeasies became quite well known, such as New York City Stalk Club.

It opened in 1929, and though it was raided once and shut down, it moved location and ended up surviving longer than Prohibition itself, continuing to be a place to be seen with clientele such as previous do-go-on-topic, Joan Crawford. Oh, and now it's a boost juice. So that's good. I reckon if I was the feds, I would, I'd just set up a green door that goes directly to a prison cell. Oh, yes. Yeah.

What's the password? I don't know. That is the password. Come on in. Do you there's a chance that they chose green because the federal agents are all colorblind and couldn't see that. It's just a wall. The wall continues there.

Yep. Well, I understand Calablinus. This is the perfect crime. Or they were just fixing it in post to make it, you know, green screening of the doors. No, no, no, no. We're just, they project on bricks. Like a wall. Crocker also mentions the 21 club, which I have to think is what inspired Shane Warns 23 Club.

Club 21? Club 23, it can't be a coincidence. It can't be. It's too better than that one. You know that famous club in New York? This one's too better. The 21 Club, which was a notorious spot for those who could afford it, with the owners making a splash on New Year's Eve in 1929,

with a tuxedo-clad affair, a wash in champagne and demolition equipment. That sounds dangerous. Did they put a bunch of, did they put like thousands of gallons of champagne behind a wall and they just smash it with hammers? And then it just... Yeah. This is a champagne flooded affair. The letter flow.

Apparently boozed up guests were then encouraged to take apart. the old venue and join the owners in the newer nicer digs. So they reopened that night. So everyone in their tuxedos smashed up their one bar and they went to their second venue. That's amazing. So we're talking about opulence, opulence, and appulence perhaps when you have too many apps on your phone. That's so appellant. But is this opulence or is this people who the tradies haven't rocked up?

It sounds like a swim. Very expensive, but it sounds like free labour doesn't it? God, wouldn't it be so, wouldn't it be so opulent? if you help me put the lights up. Yeah. It'd be quiet in some of the electrical stuff. But it's like, oh, I feel so. I feel like a working type. Look at me.

God, this is opulence. I'm rugged. Class tourists. But yeah, they were all promised and delivered the best possible alcohol available. They weren't getting any dodgy moonshine there. The operation at Club 21 was very slick. According to last call, the bartender, if they got a warning from the doorman, was able to push a button that would immediately dump all of the bars liquor down a bottle-smashing

shaft. Grates allowed the alcohol to drain away before the police found the shattered remnants in the basement level. Wow. Which obviously would be like last resort, but better than getting shut down. I was hoping you're going to say that they had like something at the bottom that caught it and then pumped it back up and then they start a feeling. I'm picturing Barney Gumble at the bottom.

Yes. It is very, it is super. Beer Barron. Do you remember Beer Barron? Yeah. They make Moe's a pet shop and they push the button. You wouldn't want to bump that button on your first day there, would you? No.

Oh. What does it? Yeah, yeah. Another famous speak. I like how cool people go on speaks. That's cool. It's big, easy too long. Yeah.

Another famous speak, wait, softly or loud, what do you want? What can't speak? You know what I mean? The Cotton Club, this one I'd heard of. I've heard of this one, yeah. It was a glamorous cabaret-style performance venue that drew white parties to Harlem, which featured legendary black performers like Duke Ellington. There was Britannica notes.

Only whites were allowed in the audience. Oh. So there were... I'm about to talk about to things were a bit more progressive because of prohibition, but the expensive ones were still super segregated, racist-y places. You can come work. You could be behind the bar and be on the stage, but you can't be sitting at one of these tables.

You could be underneath having bottles smash on top of you. That's fine. It's fine. We'll allow that. We'll have had a chat. We'll allow that. But yeah, some of it was a lot more progressive at the time, which I guess, you know, remembering that the clan is still.

huge pot of the sounds of it at the time. So it's a very different America because I think they've fixed all of that now. I think it's... Yeah, it's fixed. Yeah. Same as Australia. Yeah. Everyone is exactly equal.

But anyway, some of those slightly more positive stuff, according to the Mob Museum, a beautiful resource, it was, it wasn't entirely unheard of for patrons of various skin colors and ethnic backgrounds to mingle in a speakeasy, listening to jazz music pioneered by black musicians, which was like before Prohibition. bars were men only and probably white only or black only. So this was pretty for the time, pretty progressive as Crocker-Rots. Eventually these became known as black and tan clubs, a term that had been around for decades. The phrase became fairly popular to the point where one Seattle establishment, formerly known as the Alambra, change us name to the black and tan in 1933.

Speakeasy is also brought around a bit more gender equality. According to Crocker, before Prohibition women were generally expected. to keep their alcohol consumption private, and certainly a lady would never be seen in a down and dirty saloon with the common drunks who were men. But this all changed with prohibition. For young women, it was an opportunity to mingle with men like never before

and without the troublesome presence of chaperones or noisy church ladies. God, there's nothing better than mingling with men. I'll tell you what, they just... Have a mingle. God, it's great. Is that where the term mingas came from? People who like to mingle?

Yeah, almost certainly, yeah. Yep. I haven't heard the word in a while. but that makes you think. That's the main thing about the show, isn't it? Makes you think, yeah. You don't learn a lot, but it will make you think and probably Google to check the facts.

A lot more questions than answers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what life's all about. Yes. But apparently all of this led to dating, you know? I heard of that. It was like, courting and stuff, but now it's like, oh, want to go to go to a movie?

Want to go bowling? Oh, you can hang. I guess so, yeah. Want to push the bottle smashing button. Watch this thing. Freak out. Yeah, this is great. It also ruins our night because we're getting more drinks,

but I've already ordered six from the bar. Rourabow suggests, as well as doubling the potential business by allowing women, that's good business. There are other benefits as well, writing, when both men and women entered the doorway, outsiders, including members of the anti-sloon League, were less likely to suspect that alcohol was being served. There's like, women are going, and they're not going to be drinking.

That's right. I guess this place is fine. I guess this evening party places, they're all probably just drinking Bruce juice. They're going to be riding horses. on the beach. They're going to be playing tennis and all white. It's not going to be drinking. No, certainly not. Maybe holding hands.

Yeah. Not though. Crocker continues to help encourage this increasingly diverse, gender diverse clientele, speakeasies might change how they do business. A few places added table service. This more discreet way of ordering was considered more accessible to women who might still be shy about public drinking. Don't make me stand at the bar.

That's very unladylike. If they come to me, it's a bit more subtle. And then I'll drink it under the table. Yes. Really long straw. I'll be under here. And rather than expect women to just sit around drinking, speak easy managers began to expand their entertainment options,

adding live music and dance floors to make it a real party. Rourabour writes, decor and attractive male bartenders were used to draw women who came alone with friends or with dates. All three options were available to women all of a sudden. Alone, friends or dates. No chaperones and nosy church. ladies, though.

That's exactly where on. They can stay out. Croco continues, with the combined powers of a decent drink, good music and an energetic dance like the Charleston, many women found it easier than ever to enter the speak easy and be as daring as they please. This is flapper times, baby. They're flipping, they're flapping. Wow.

Not everyone was pleased, though, as Royal Bauer writes, elders were alarmed that young men and women drank together. To the young, the idea of prohibitions seemed bizarre and unfair. You know, by 1926 when they're becoming 21 or whatever the, I can't remember, I think, I can't remember when the 21 thing happened, but that was also done by the dry movement. They got a move from 8021. It doesn't matter. Class exam.

They tried to move it up to it. But yeah, 31, 801. They were kids when it came in and now they're only going, this is, why is this happening? This is weird. In 1926, a poll found that four-fifths of Yale university students opposed prohibition, drinking, and they had access to all the good stuff. That's right. Or at least their teachers did.

Drinking was just one way young women rebelled. Flappers talked dirty, bobbed their hair, wore short skirts, put on lipstick and carried flasks in their boots. They also listened to jazz. Prohibition and the speakeasy culture it gave birth to led to a real boom time for jazz. The Mob Museum notes that jazz had already been around for some time prior to Prohibition, but it was the abolition of alcohol nationwide that created a lively and lucrative nightclub culture. Crocker writes, for some of the lower-classes, class spots, one of the newfangled jute boxes, which they weren't called that at the time.

The first they were called, let some other name, but I think in the late 20s, early 30s, they became known as jukeboxes. But it was much better to have live musicians. And as the Mob Museum continues, that culture advanced the careers of major jazz performers such as Louis Armstrong, King Oliver, Duke Ellington, Fatswaller, Paul Whiteman, and jazz itself as an art form. If we didn't have that, we wouldn't have revolving. nightclub in Melbourne? We wouldn't have billboard.

Were they just the nightclubs or do they start off as jazz clubs? I don't know. Okay. Probably. Yeah, probably. Probably. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's another question for you.

Yeah. I'm just thinking about thriving nightlife and culture in Melbourne, you know, more so than that. And they're two fantastic examples of us. That's what I'm telling you. I remember never getting there at 3am and going, what have I done this? I lined up to be in here. Why did I do that? We wouldn't have the tote.

We didn't have the punters club. That's true. It's so true, isn't it? That is so true. Yeah. Truth. You are speaking. You're not even speaking.

You're spitting truth. That's right. Hey, don't speak easy on these. You can speak those loud. Loud and proud. The Mob Museum continues. The new opportunities for live musicians in higher paying clubs would foster two types of jazz in the 1920s. Cool jazz and hot jazz.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's what I thought. Wet and dry. Yeah. Because there was heaps, actually. A sticky. Sticky jazz. Yeah.

Oh, that's my favorite. Yeah, a lot of the features. From New Orleans, where Armstrong and Oliver originated came, a style in which musicians performed together as an ensemble. In Chicago, a free-form improvisational style arose. Armstrong, who moved with Oliver to Chicago 1922, became a big success as a jazz recording artist, as did Bessie Smith, who recorded 180 songs during the decade.

Some of their jazz records openly referred to illegal booze. One of Smith's songs called Me and My Gin, include the refrain, any bootlegger sure is a pal of mine. And here's my address. Armstrong recorded a popular song about drinking titled, Knocking a Jug. That's really good. It's really good.

I like it. I haven't heard it, but I love it. I'd love to knock a jug. Apparently, speaks were much more queer-friendly than the broader society as well. As Crocker writes, Prohibition era speak-easies could host LGBTQ. guests and performers with far more frequency than the rest of the world was willing to accept. According to History.com, gay culture enjoyed a new era of openness during the 1920s.

Drag balls in which attendees thumb their noses at gender norms while strutting their stuff in glamorous gowns had already been a fixture of metropolitan and nightlife in places like New York City. By prohibition, thousands of people took part. So with Crocker, it was such a force in speak-easy culture of the time that people dubbed the proliferation of drag performers and LGBT friendly spots the pansy craze. Oh. That's a bit of fun.

Does the Moll Museum have anything to say about the LGBTQ? I don't have anything here from the Mop Museum. Interesting, all right. We think they're all right. Hey, they're all right by us. As long as they're buying our liquor. They're all right. Money's all right here.

Is that what the mops? That's what the mops sound like. Yeah, that was, yeah. Silla Crocker, though members of the community would have to endure a cultural backlash in future decades, the more open world of the speakeases set the stage for gay culture of the future. There were even dedicated LGBTQ speak easies, visitors to Harry Hansbury's Clam House in New York. Clam House is so good. I love the Pansy Craze at the Clam House. Sounds like a meal.

I'll just get the Pansy Cray things. Oh, and a Clam House. That's the chival. What about alarm, Ricky? Wash it all down. Oh my God, do you reckon they do them here? At the Clam House. I've got the taste for them now.

So, yeah, the Clam House was one of the best known underground spots catering to gay clientele. And it might even have seen legendary blues singer Gladys Bentley performing on stage. Even Gladys Bentley? Yeah. Whoa. Bentley, an icon of the Harlem Renaissance and member of the LGPTQ community was often dressed in a stylish, traditionally masculine suit and And top hat. Probably made it sound like it was an entirely lawless time, and that's not quite the case.

Plenty of speak-easies, bootleggers and moonshiners did get busted over the decade or longer of prohibition. And remember, everybody's cars got ticketed for being outside the speakeasy for longer than two hours. That's right. But yeah, you could drink driving. It's fine. Yeah, it's fine. Yeah.

And also, what is even drinking? I'm not allowed to. Yeah, well, I know. Why would you even be checking? Test you for something that you're not allowed a hat. Yeah, why would you even be testing me? It's not possible what it has? But yeah.

So a lot of people got busted. Keith. Not Keith. Not Keith. Oh, okay. Maybe Keith one would be, of all the people who suggested these topics, Keith was the only one who wanted me to talk about some narks. Keith wanted me to, so maybe he was busted and he's like,

oh, yeah, get a plea bargain. I'll be able to mention on a podcast. Get a podcast to snitch in all my everybody else and I'll get a reduced sentence. He wanted me to talk about agents Izzy and Moe. And luckily for us, old mate, Aurora Bow, dedicates a couple of paragraphs to them writing. Through self-promotion, the Prohibition Bureau agents Izzy Einstein and Moe Smith, another Smith, frequently made the New York Times.

It's so funny, they're busting people and then they're like leaking the story to the press. Oh, I heard, I heard Izzy and Mo have done it again. They could do interviews, but they had to wear like those daft punk helmets. Yeah, yeah. Einstein apparently was a natural actor, and he loved faking his identity to catch liquor violators. He appeared to care less about prohibition and more about being able to con crooks. At one time or another, he pretended to be a rabbi, a violinist, a fisherman, a baseball player, and construction worker, Native American.

Cop, didn't work out so well. This is the one. I'm undercover. Don't worry. I'm a cop, yeah, I'm undercover as a dodgy cop. I mean, not undercover, I'm overcover. Some of the outfits require a bit more work than others, don't they? Violin player.

Yeah, yeah, here's a violin. Iceman, I'm picturing, you know, Schwarzenegger in Bang Manor for sure. Also an undertaker. His victims fell for his phony lines and tried to sell him liquor, whereupon the game was up. Public support of Prohibition continued to drop as the 20s ended in the 30s, began because of this Franklin D. Roosevelt's platform for the presidency included a call for the

repeal of prohibition. Oh. He was the losing vice president nominee 10 odd years back. Yeah. In the meantime, he'd be, you know, done a bit of state politics and stuff. Anyway, cool. And just waiting while the incumbent presidents were being tired with the disaster that was going on.

So it was pretty much like whoever got the opposition ticket. Roosevelt reemerged with a cool new hair cut and some sunglasses. and like a whole new look. Like when you go from primary school to high school or whatever, it's like, I'm going to reinvent myself as the cool. I could be anyone now. Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

Call me Cobra. It doesn't work. It doesn't work. According to Klein, by the 1930s, it was clear that Prohibition had become a public policy at failure. The 18th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution had done little to curb the sale production and consumption of intoxicating liquors. That sounded like it did pretty well.

And while organized crime flourished tax revenues, is withered. As with the start of Prohibition, women played an instrumental role in its demise as Miller and Brownwright. Many of the women who had previously fought for prohibition and suffrage campaigned for repeal. Oh, here we go. I will keep singing until you bring in the moves.

Bring in the role. Keep singing. Yeah, there's someone working around with an axe and put bottles back together. Pauline Sabin, or Sabin, a New York socialite active in Republican politics. once commented that, quote, I felt I should approve of it because it would help my two sons. The word pictures of the agitators carried me away. I thought a world without liquor would be a beautiful world. But then she realized that the men who supported strict enforcement of prohibition drank cocktails behind closed doors. She also came to the epiphany that, quote,

children are growing up with a lack of respect for the constitution and for the law. She formed the women's organisation for the National Prohibition Reform, or Wanpur. in Chicago in May of 1929, along with the wives of some of America's industrial leaders, many middle American middle class housewives saw it as an opportunity to hobnob with the Hoypolloy. I love hobnob with aoi polo. If I'm going to hobnob with anyone, it's the Hoypelois, right? It's hoy poit boy or nothing. Others were disenchanted.

Hot knob with a bourgeoisie, I don't think so. No, not for me. No, no, no, no, no. Others were disenchanted that the promised utopian society had turned out to be more of a percolour Burgundy. Membership grew to 1.5 million within two years, embracing women from all economic levels and branched out its chapters in 41 of the 48 states. The Wampur was not alone. It was joined with the Association Against the Prohibition Amendment. That was one. Voluntary Committee of Lawyers, the Vickle, I guess. The Crusaders and the American Hotel Organization united with the

Wampa to form the United Repeal Council. The Crusaders butt for booze this time. Yeah, that's right. We understand our name might be a little bit ambiguous. It might sound like we're against booze, but we're actually four booze this time. We're still crusaders, though. We're crusading, pro-boos. Yeah. So, yeah, they all grouped together and lobbied at both the 1932 Republican and Democratic

conventions. Eight other national and regional special interest groups placed additional pressure on both national and regional levels. Klein continues, in February of 1933, Congress easily passed a proposed 21st, Amendment. Obviously, there's a couple of amendments in the meantime. Oh, yes. Don't ask me what they were.

We don't have the time. We do. We do, of course, we do. But I just don't know. We can, we've got to leave time for future episodes about all the amendments. That's why we're going to do. Well, Block next year will be the top nine amendments. But basically the 21st Amendment.

You're going to give your opinion on the Second Amendment, aren't you? Can't wait to hear that. That's right. Finally, Dave speaks out. Yeah, we have to wait a nearly a full year till block next year. So the whole point of the 21st Amendment was getting. getting rid of the 18th Amendment. Hell no.

You know, everything knows, 18 minus 21 equals zero. So, 17 of the 22 senators who voted for Prohibition 16 years earlier now approved its repeal. So it was clear, the tide had turned

and everyone was off. Classic police. There they are. For the first time in American history, a constitutional amendment had been repealed. Soon, President Franklin D. Roosevelt, who obviously...

President Cool, Roosevelt. one in a big way, issued a proclamation declaring... The D stands for dynamite. He issued a proclamation declaring the end of prohibition while also admonishing the country to drink responsibly and not abuse this return of individual freedom, saying, I trust in the good sense of the American people, that they will not bring upon themselves a curse of excessive use

of intoxicating liquors to the detriment of health, morals and social integrity. And that... Kind of like you've been doing for the... And that model has since been adopted by advertising for every alcohol and gambling company in the world. We're bringing it all back, folks. You can do anything you want. Drink responsibly, though. Yeah, drink responsibly.

We'll say really quickly the end of the drink response. It seemed that they followed this request, though, as Klein writes, Cities reported that arrest for drunkenness were no different than those during a normal weekend night during Prohibition. when a lot of people were also drunk, but only on weird a boos. While some predicted it was going to be a wild celebration, that was not to be, but why not? Boozing was legal once more. Why didn't it go off in a big bang? Well, as OK Rent, Ocrant writes, the 21st Amendment actually made it harder, not easier to get a drink, because along with legislation came regulations on closing hours, age limits and Sunday service.

Oh, but before that, they decided to sell their own bosses. If you want to pay, you can get booze. It might kill you, but you can get it. Yeah. Still, the end of prohibition resulted in a financial windfall for the federal government, which, according to Ockrent, collected more than $258 million in alcohol taxes in the first year after a repeal. And that was a lot of money back then. In the money?

Yeah. Like pocket change it now. But in the 30s, that was a lot of money. Those millions, which accounted for nearly 9% of the government's tax revenue, helped to finance Roosevelt's new deal programs in the ensuing years. And that's the end of my report on prohibition. Now, I would say things, like, things didn't just go back to normal. Organized crime remained.

So many things changed. Nighttime culture remained. Men and women continued to hang out together. So it sounds like it did change. I never experienced that. I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. Like, in the in tune years, like, it did, like, there were positives for, like, some minority groups that beforehand weren't able to go to the bar and hang out together. And women were allowed in now. and that that kept going forward. So I guess there's progress on that, on that front. But also unfortunately, and probably played into the ending of Prohibition was the Great Depression. It was also hitting at that point.

So things were changing in a lot of different ways as well. And that did, apparently that did stymie a lot of the progressive movements that were happening. I read somewhere that if it wasn't for the Great Depression, like the, the 20s into the 30s would have been more like what the 60s ended up being. Right, because it was sort of the upward trajectory and then it just got smashed. But yeah, they had to worry about, you know, being desperate. I think that's what, and depressed.

The economy. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, Mesa, thanks so much for joining us. Absolutely. What a wonderful report. Should we have one last break to go get some Lime Rikis? I think so, yeah.

Yeah, let's do it. And we're back from the Lime Rikers. Ricky by my goodness. We drank of dry. There's no more life Ricky's left in Melbourne if there ever was any. That was the best Ricky session

I've ever heard. Yeah, that's right. That I've rekt harder than that. Wreck it up. Thank you so much for joining us, Mayso. What a delight. It's always wonderful to be here. It is,

especially in the room that I've demanded. I think you might have been on every block because you did the original block you told us the story of Batman. I know one block you told us about Ninja Turters. You're on the episode about Lost City of it. Atlantis.

Yeah, yeah. So I had to, you know, give Jess some poisoned liquor and get her off for the week. Well, we needed to here. Yeah, you would have been here anyway, I'm sure. But, yeah, so I'm so stoked that you're able to make it back in. Keep this tradition rolling. Actually, one block, one of the Patreon bonus reports was actually the life of Mesa. That's right.

You did that one for real. By popular vote. Okay. They wanted that on the main feed. We're like, I reckon we could get a bonus. out of this. Oh, yeah. I learned a lot about you.

I just made some stuff up, I presume. No, I listen. I mainly got the info from your mouth. Oh, interesting. On the Daniel Connell podcast. Oh, there you go. He really got you chatting. All right.

And then I think I made up other stuff. Yeah, nice. That's great. Yeah, cool. If people listen, they have to guess which one and comment yes or no. They can check that out. May so any guesses for what number one will be for Block this year? Oh, it could it be?

Prohibition? Oh. This time it's personal. Unfortunately, we... Extra prohibition. We have a double indemnity rule. No, what is it? Double jeopardy.

Oh, well, okay. So you can't... Can't be convicted of a second podcast topic twice. Yeah, that's so true, isn't it? Even if it won the vote, we'd have to discount it. So that was number four. We're counting down three to go. My goodness.

Would it be the corvette? Oh, my God, he's got it. The little red corvette. We'll have to beat that because we don't have people to know. we want it to be a sense of great. Yeah. Thanks. It really is always a pleasure to have you here. People, if they want to hear more of you, you talk about movies and comic books and TV shows.

That's correct. Over on the podcast, The Weekly Planet, and also the video channel, Mr. Sunday movies on YouTube with James, who's been here before. We talked about Star Wars and such and so forth. You guys are so funny together. We have a good time. You're one of the ones great combos like people and alcohol. Oh, yeah. When you come together, people have...

The choice to drink our thoughts they want. They call one of us lime and one of us Ricky. But which one? We'll never tell. Which is which? I'm Ricky is a good, Nick. Isn't it though? Yeah.

It's great. Yeah. Can we start calling you lime Ricky? Yeah, absolutely. Thanks, I'm Ricky. Okay. Thanks, moist boy. All the boys boys boys.

Moise boys. We did it. That's right. Man, we're all sitting in a big puddle now. I want you to get up first. I'll see you. Dave, say goodbye to Mesao. Mayso.

Goodbye. Goodbye, Dave. See you, Mason. Bye. Well, as we say goodbye to the great man, Nick Mason. We say hello to the greater man, Jess Perkins. Thank you. I'm the greatest man.

The greatest man of all. You know, as a feminist, I think the greatest man of all is a woman. Yeah, no, that's the same thing I said. But explained back to me. He said it a little bit louder. A little bit louder. Speaker. And not quite as high.

It's hard to... Yeah, less whiny. Yeah. And did you notice I went in? Yeah. Okay, these are some things that you could do if you listen to me and take my course. Feminism for gals. So what are we doing?

Well, we are welcoming Jess back. She missed the episode. I had to pull out late. Unfortunately, you were sick, but you are betterish. Betterish. Yeah. Just a different sick. Yeah, but we will still accept prayers for Bob.

I think pray for Bob is always probably wise. Just in case. It's fine. I think it's become more and more relevant as the years have gone on. Yeah, I don't know even how it started or why, but more recently, it's more relevant. Yeah, yeah. It probably started off slightly jokingly. Yeah.

But now it is legit, please pray for ball. Sounds like we're being really cryptic. I just get migraines a lot. That's what we're talking about. about. Yes. I didn't want people to be like, is she dying? Is she? Or, is she shitting us off right? Like any woman who throws up ever in a TV show, is she pregnant? You know? Oh, yeah. Pray for Pop. Pray for Bob. Pray she gets over this awful affliction. No, I just get migraines. And, but the time the Mesa was here, I had come to work. Turns out I had taken too much of a medication,

essentially poisoned myself and projectile vomited everywhere. It was opium. It was opium. I was trying out opium. Turns out it's not for me. Yeah. She came straight from the den. So, Jess, you missed what I would call one of the best episodes of the year. Wow.

Would you, like, up there with, you know, do you think if people had voted on it, they would have, it would have been like top nine? I think so, yeah. Wow. The top nine. I don't know where exactly in it, but it would be somewhere. Somewhere. Somewhere amongst the top nine.

Wow. Yeah. The pointy end. Huge. Yeah, it's really big. I'm sad to have missed it. I can't wait to listen. Yeah, I think it'll...

I probably won't listen. What? I don't like listening to myself. You're not. I wasn't on it. You can listen. I don't like listening to you. Is Dave on it?

Yes. And Mesao. I do like Dave. Does Dave and Meso outweigh me? Yeah. Matt did do a lot of talking. Yeah, but then it's just three white men. Why don't you listen in the car?

Yeah, I can listen in the car. That'd have to jam me, yeah? I can't hear you anyway. Yeah. Yeah, perfect. It's weird that my voice is drowned out by engines I heard. I don't really understand what that would be. I don't really ever say what that would be.

That makes them, no, no, no, no, no, sense of me. Anyway, we're here to thank some of our great Patreon supporters. That's what Jess came in, even though six, she's like, you know what? I don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck about Matt's little story from history. Don't care. But what I do give a fuck about, our great Patreon supporters.

I give several fucks about them. You will fuck all night for them. I will. Will and I do? Yeah. Which probably explains what you get some of these migraines. Yeah, I'm not sleeping. Have a rest, man.

No, no, no, no, no, no, it's all for them. It's all for them. I do it for them. I do it for them. There's a picture of all of them above your bed. I am in so much pain. So the way we do this for people who don't know is we go to our Patreon at patreon.com slash jrgonopod and people on there who've supported at various levels get

different kinds of shoutouts and whatnot. Dave, you can maybe explain a little bit better than that. Yeah, I mean, we basically reward you for rewarding us for making the show. Hey, it's a you scratch you my back. I scratch you your back. Exactly. We'll scratch you back with access to the Facebook group. bonus episodes we do basically one a week these days, four per month, and you get access to

the back catalogue, which is closing it on 250. So there's literally hundreds of hours of content that you can unlock by supporting the show, but also voting for, you can get voting for topics, early access to tickets, discounts. So in some ways, this thing pays it itself. Yeah. Some ways. Some way. You'd be a full not too. Exactly. There's never been a better time. Did you mention the ad free feed? And there's an ad free feed, that's right. Which is the same as the bonus episode one. That's basically the one that we're like, hey, this is the best value we think. You get four bonus episodes per month and add free listening to all of our new episodes. So all of Block, that's ad free.

But if you're an absolute king and you sign up on the Sydney-Shaunberg level, which is all of that plus you get to be in the fact-quota question section. Exactly. Which is this section we're about to do, which actually has a jingle, I think, goes something like this. Fact-quote or questions. He always remembers the thing. And the way this works is if you're on that Sydney-Shine list.

about Berglar level or above. You get to give this fact quote of question or a bragger or a suggestion or really, whatever you like. You also get to give yourself a title. I'm reading out three this week. The first one comes from Stephen Edmonds, whose title is Watcher of Too Much YouTube. Ooh, and I think Stephen actually created this subcategory of fact quote of question,

the recipe. Yeah. Stephen writes, Yes. If you happen to find yourself with three overwripe bananas, then I think the best thing to do with them is to make banana muffins. Wow, I've actually got four right now. Is that too many?

That's too many. You should have eaten those bananas. That's wasteful. I'll have the other one and make a smoothie out of it. Beautiful. And then the three, tell me what to do with them. All right. Stephen says, I'm not going to repeat the recipe here,

but I got it from Evan and Caitlin's YouTube channel in their making banana muffins while blindfolded video. Oh. Is that a prerequisite? I have made it a couple of times, and the muffins have come out great. More so if you pour over melted butter and cover in cinnamon sugar. Oh, that does sound pretty good.

So, yeah, basically Google making banana muffins while blind folded. Wow. And thanks Stephen later. And I'll thank Stephen now, though. Thank you, Stephen. Banana muffins. Banana pancakes. Another good option, maybe.

Thank you, Stephen. Next one comes from. Kevin Ulysses Packrad, okay, Thingus Bingus, Cunny Lingus. Beautiful name for a boy, old girl. And Thingus is offering as a fact here, writing his little fun movie fact. We'll wait to see if Jess agrees. In 2006, after the release of his movie Inland Empire, David Lynch wanted to run an Oscar campaign for Laura Dern's performance in the film. But because it was self-financed, he had no money to run any ads or anything like that.

Instead, on December 13th, 2006, Lynch sat on a corner of Hollywood Boulevard and LaBreya out with a giant poster of Laura Dern with the caption, For Your Consideration. He also sat next to, what else, a live cow. I love a bloody live cow. Don't think I'd make it sit on the corner of a busy street, but, you know, put it in a big grassland and just me and it hugging it out. There was also a second poster next to the cow that said, Without cheese, there wouldn't be an inland empire. When someone asked what he meant by this, he said, cheese is made from milk.

Get it? Personally, I don't get it. What? Nor do I get most of the film Inland Empire. But I love David Lynch, and I hope he gets to eat as much cheese as he likes. Wow. All I know is that inland empire,

would make for a very interesting episode of the Do Go On Movie Club. Wow. Thank you so much for that beautiful fact. I love Laura Dern. Kevin, I love Laura Dern too. I love Laura Dern more. One of my favorite Nepo babies. I mean, they pretty much are all of Hollywood is.

They're all Nepo babies. Yeah. And that's fine. That's fine. That's okay. As a lot of them will tell you, they still had to work really hard. Yeah. Some doors were opened.

Sure. And honestly, they weren't even really for me. Yeah, all right. Well, I'm much prefer to say, look, I'm very lucky. Yeah. And I appreciate that I got a bonus lucky start here. But they really do say that. Then I always said, oh, I worked just as hard as anyone, if not harder,

living in the shadow of the person who got me all my auditions. Yeah. Of the person who cast me in their films when I was quite young. Okay. Do you know how hard it is to be directed by your mum or dad? It's hard. It's really annoying. It's tough.

I actually do. My mum taught me once. Whoa. And it was a bit weird. That would be strange. Was it for like a... That's the main reason I didn't get into teaching. Didn't want to be called a Nepo baby.

Yeah. Was it a short lesson or like for the year? Is she subbing? No, it was a short lesson of one day. And even then you were like, this is... I lost my mind. You know, I was in grade prep or grade one. Like I was little.

You were little, yeah. And I remember just getting home. and being confused. Yep. And mom was like, you're being weird. I don't know what's going on. I don't know who I am. I know what's happening?

You're not a teacher, you're my mom. What do I call you? There's no teacher in our classroom. We can do whatever we want. And everyone's laughing at you for accidentally calling the teacher mom. It is actually my mom. That is my mom. Did you ever have your mom as your library?

I had my dad as my salesman Oh yeah I would have gone to because my mom was a children's library specifically so she would do weekly story time sessions Yeah cool That's nice

Yeah and I was That's the only way And your mom to read your report Yeah I lost you exactly Once a week She didn't bring her walk home No you can't It's like chefs don't want to cook at home

Yeah Your mum didn't want to read to children at home Oh my god This is me time Mom you do it What did your dad sell you Oh a good time Okay.

Four park super bars? Yeah. What are we doing? Where are we? Who are I saying? Yeah, I got lost. I can't remember what's happening. Oh, yeah, we're talking about Laura Dern.

Great actor. Laura Dern. Yeah, big fan of Laura Dern. That's how we got onto that. Nepo baby, that's it. I think I just suddenly recently realized that, like, that her dad was who her dad is. I don't know who her dad is. He's like, he's a guy he'd recognize if you saw her.

Right, okay. Gary Dern. And I looked at up. And my mom's also a three-time Academy Award number. Yeah, yeah. So powerful parents. That's powerful. But, you know.

Diane Ladd. It is funny because also I think it does make sense that. Bruce Stern. Bruce Dern, yeah. It makes some sense that you would, growing up in it, you would have a natural talent for it probably. But anyway, they never do say that if, you know, when I got a mate who took over his dad's pool business.

That's not NEPO, is it? No one ever goes on to that. That's just the family business. Oh, here we go. Oh, Nepo pool boy. I try that as a bit at Adelaide Fringe, and I don't think, either I didn't nail it or they were just like, yeah, great observation. It was the crowds. Really, I saw it's not you.

It's not you. They were, what was wrong? They were wrong, and that's why we don't go to Adelaide. They were a bit, they were just a bit off, weren't they? Not quite right. Bit off that crowd. That night. Yeah.

I mean, all the other night's fantastic. Anyway, where are we? Another fact word of question? And the final one this week comes from Nick Verderosa, aka official Yankee of the podcast. Okay. Offering a question. I think this might be Nick's first time.

Welcome, Nick. Hey, hey, Bob, Cobra. And the bearded weirdo. Hey, hey. Seven years ago via the Do Go on Email account, Jess agreed to dub me the official Yankee of the pod. Now it's time to make it official official. Excited I can join this level on Patreon to show my support for you three

for bringing so much joy and laughter to me for nearly a decade. I thought I was very familiar with the name. Right. Because it was the first one is, but he's just, he's upgraded. That's nice. Welcome. Welcome. You get comfy of your seats now.

Oh yeah, these are right. A little bit more leg room. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Better food, slightly. Yeah. Yeah. Dave will look you in the eye. I won't, but, you know, good on you.

Yeah, doctor a podcast. That's the only level high. That's, if you want Jess's eyes, you've got to go well. there. Anyway, continue saying, you've helped me get through a lot of ups and downs. For a title and those who don't know, a Yankees is anyone from the northeast of the USA. It's funny because in Australia, kind of just means Americans in general, but it is, in America, it's very specific.

Oh, that's so true. I am from Connecticut, the best state of New England, which leads me to my question. What is your favorite fact about your hometown? For me, my town, Bethel, Connecticut is the birthplace of episode 282 topic P.T. Barnum. Ah. Our town has a P.T. Barnum Square, a statue of the greatest showman in front of our library and circus murals around town. I guess the weirdest my town inspired him. Thank you guys again and excited for you to come visit us in the good old US of A.

Creamies on me. Oh, wow. Yes, please. Obviously, Vermont being my favourite state of New England, but still, Connecticut, pretty good. Yeah. So fun facts about... What's mine? I think mine are mainly Midwest.

All my favour of my favour of the gold mile. True. But you've got a fact? I was just thinking so, like, okay, so I'm, me personally, I'm from Melbourne. Melbourne is my hometown, and I guess my favourite fun fact is, like, we have wonderful laneways and culture and... That's true. Actually, it is quite interesting. We have very good coffee here. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not everybody knows that. And most Melbourneians don't, aren't insufferable about that.

No, that's true. So that's a little hidden secret. No, I googled ten interesting facts about Melbourne. It says Melbourne is home to wild penguins. Oh, yeah. Known for its iconic coffee culture. It's the worst list, isn't it? Hosted the 1956 Summer Olympics. We really, it's hard. Like, people go, oh, what's? should we see and like, ugh, we're coming to Melbourne for a bit. What would she say, I don't know. What would you, it's nice to live here though? What would you say about our weather? Oh, four seasons in one day. That's one of the options. And then the Great Ocean Road,

which is approximately two hours out of Melbourne. It's in Victoria, that's for sure, but it is not in Melbourne. So you didn't have any Mount Waverly specific? Um, no. No. I don't think there's anything particularly interesting about Mount Waverly. Nice suburb. I would say I've just went to Brisbane recently. Coffee there is, I think. Just as good. Just as good.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think, I think all the things Melbourne's proud of, Brisbane does just as well. Oh, yeah. Most big cities will do. Yeah, around the world. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely.

Including, like, changeable weather. Although Brisbane is so nice and warm. Yeah, but we'll go to Dublin pretty soon or and. Their coffee is great. Their coffee's good, but their weather is, it changes. Oh, it does change. Either of you have any fun facts about our town? McCaffey started here, I'm pretty sure.

Oh, my God. You told us about that in the McDonald's episode. I was born in Kant, I only lived there for four or five years, but I think that D from Neighbors was from there as well. Whoa. I think, I've looked up the Wikipedia page and the notable residents. I can't think of her actor's name. Is that Holly Valance was Dee?

No, she was... I don't remember. I never watched it. I used to. Dee, I can't remember what Dee's real name is. But it does say, Joe Camilleur is the only name that I recognize that is under notable residents,

aka Jojo Zep, Maltese Australian singer-songwriter, front man of Jojo Zep and the Falcons and the Black Sorrows. Dave, you've been TikTok. Tip, tap it away over there. Have you found a... I also brought up the Wikipedia list for Eltham, the suburb that I grew up in.

And I was like, straight down to the bottom, Notable Reson. It's like, oh my God, no way. Alan White, the former drummer of Oasis was born in Eltham. Isn't that crazy? What? And I was like, that's really, really surprising. And then I looked into it, and I have loaded up the wiki page for Eltham in Southeast London. Okay, okay.

Oh, it's like, what? Well, we've got former notable residents. Peter Hitchiner, the Hitch. Oh, the Hitch. You've met the Hitch. Before, you've partied with the Hitch. I've met the Hitch. He's lovely.

It's great. I've also met Peter Halea. Wow. So, a few Peters. Kerry Armstrong. Whoa, actress. Cadell Evans. Kadell, Tour of France winner.

Alistair Knox. That's how I say Tour de France. Tour de France. Tour de France. You're from the Alcernox Park in Eltham. So that's why I know that one. So there you go. Pretty good.

Merrick Watts, another comedian. Melba Wild? Oh my God. Oh my God. Who's from Jojah Zep and the Falcons? Really? Whoa. I don't ever run into him at Coles.

That's crazy. Or at Sammy's charcoal chicken. Melbourne was originally named Batmania. Yeah. That's fun fact. That's cool. We had the first ever set of traffic lights in Australia. Really?

And we have the largest tram system outside of Europe. And the fourth largest in the world. Whoa. We act like it's the only city in the world. I grew up believing that was true. We're the only one with trams. There's so many trams systems around the world. In Australia, too.

Well, like, hang on, what? When did you go into these? Oh, we've always had one. For about 180 years. Do you know, Kondin seems to have also been home of Bill Farnan, Australia's second heavyweight boxing champion. Wow. Like one of those guys who were in front of like this, you know?

That's great. I reckon that's a fantastic answer for that question. Sorry, yes. We've absolutely nailed that. I think we've found many fun facts. There's someone called. Polly hurry. Anyway, great name.

What are we doing? I'm feeling more lost than normal today. Jess was trying to move it a little. Which is rare. It's rare that I do that. That's right. So the question was from Nick Verderosa, official Yankee of the podcast.

Yes, which I apparently agreed to seven years ago. I love that. Because you would have been like, we've got a listener in America. Yeah. And the next thing we like to do is shout out to a few of our other fantastic supporters. Jess, you normally come with a bit of a game.

So today's episode was all about how America, the land of the free, did not allow people to drink alcohol. They kind of didn't anyway, for about 13 years, I think. So how about we come up with the thing that these people are trying to ban? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Great, love that. That's so good. So this is episode 472.

Dave, do you want to give us the places I'll give the names and Jess can give the, oh no, How about, we always make you do it How about Jess, you do the place Okay Dave, do you want to do the band thing or the name? You do the band thing, I'll do the name. Yeah, sorry, I misunderstood what you said, band thing, I was like, the music thing, yes.

What they're trying to ban, absolutely. So, first up, from Exeter in the UK. It's Java. And Java was trying to ban olive oil. Whoa. They only want, like, sesame or avocado oil. Wow, you only want the fancy.

Yeah, get rid of that olive oil, says Javo, and I'm like, okay. All right. Olive oil can be expensive. Yeah, really. And, you know, sometimes we try to use a bit of vegetable oil instead. Ah, yes, and Javo's like, yeah, that's great. Or butter. Okay.

Yeah. There's other kinds of fat. Or just eat a banana. Because Javo's from Devon, also trying to ban people doing scones wrong, which is jam first. Next up, where are they from Bopper? They are from Roslyn, also in the UK. It's Katrina. Maguire.

Katrina Maguire was trying to ban Shakespeare being taught in schools. Whoa, I agree. Too hard. Very complicated. She found a barred a bit confusing. I think it was, I mean, people make it out like it's really important and stuff. It's not. It's not.

It's not important. That's Katrina's main argument. If Shakespeare was alive today, he wouldn't have written like that. It's nonsense now. And if you did, people would be like, is everything okay? Are you okay? The bar? He wouldn't be known as the bar

Imagine being a teacher Having to teach Shakespeare Because you have to just stop every sentence And decipher it And go okay So what he's saying there is No man of woman born So like no person who's been born

From like a mother Like a woman, right? Too, but like oh god, tedious Could technically be Caesarian though Yeah And as their eyes shift around the room Yeah But oh hang on

I guess if you were born By a caesarian Maybe you're not Maybe you've you? Remember there's a loophole there. Right in your mum's tummy. Next up from Dursley also in Great Britain. My goodness. It's Malika Loury. Malika is trying to ban haircuts. Wow. Just let it grow it out. What about trimming a beard? Nothing? Grow it out. Grow it out. I think I think armpits? Grow it out. So just like no trimming of hair at all? Maliga had like one bad haircut and it's like

that's it. I'm going to shut Malika's New World Order. Pretty comfortable in there. Thank you so much, Malika. I'm not. From Romford. Would you believe it in Great Britain? It's Ayaz Tarik.

Ayes is trying to ban people wearing mistmatched socks. Oh. They think it's disgusting. Ayers, you would hate my husband. Yeah, never, never matches. No, never. No, no, his sucks always match. Yeah.

Yesterday. Good one. I don't get it. He would just hate you. Yeah, yeah, just saying it. Oh, I see, I'm saying. And that's probably fair, too. Yesterday he had mismatched socks, but they both had sharks on them.

Oh, that's cool. They were matching it away, but different shark socks. Yeah, but that's not good enough for AAS. A is. I would feel sick for me. Do you know, I'm just looking up AAS the name. It's, uh, it means cool breeze or night breeze. Oh, my God.

That's beautiful. That's a great name. I like it a lot. Fantastic name. Next up from Basilden. in Great Britain. Oh, it's Andrew Simmons. Andrew Simmons is trying to ban streaming services.

Bring back the VHS. Andrew. Oh, he's going back pre-DVD. DVDs, banned, Blurays, banned, Laserdisc, ban. VHS? Yes, please. Beta? What does he sound on beta?

Banned. Okay. Whoa. This guy's no, he's an alpha, but it sounds like. I don't know if I agree with this one. But, okay, Andrew. It's going to take us a while for our. brains to get used to the poor quality again. And having to rewind it. That's funny. I grew as a,

I mean, I remember when VHS came in and I was like, wow, this is new. This is fresh. This is hip. Yeah. But now looking back, I'm watching old VHS occasionally. It is, it gives me a headache looking at it. Yeah, it hurts. So, okay, Andrew, but I don't know if we can support you on that mission. From Springwood in New South Wales, finally, one Australian. The rest, all English. It's Monny Wazink. Moni is trying to ban tattoo removal. Yeah.

Live with your decisions. Yes. Yep. I get that. I'm guessing that this would have been around the time that we did a pre-sale for patrons for the UK tour. That makes sense. A lot of British. A lot of people jumping on.

Whereas Moni just came into support. The others are all trying to wet their beaks. If I'm using that term correctly. Cheap. Cheap shit. I like the idea of wetting your bees a great term. I try to squeeze it in where it didn't belong. Just like.

A wet bag. Again, we did it again. I don't think it belonged there either. Where else we got? From Warrington in Great Britain. It's Billy Peacock. Speaking of wet beaks. Billy Peacock is trying to ban Goldfish's pets.

Right. He wants you to let them free. Oh, yeah. Straight into the... Is it true that they get bigger if they're in a bigger thing? Or is that a myth? I don't know. I heard that.

Like a coy fit. Like one of those coy ones is just a big... Yeah, why are you being so coy, fish? Something so coy. Tell us they really feel. Come on. Fishy. From Aberdeen.

Aberdeen. In the UK. It's Mike Graves. Mike Graves. Sorry, I'm trying to look up goldfish now. Mike Graves is trying to ban the use of... of plastic flamingos. Wow.

Hight them. Tacky. Yes, but apparently that's one of those facts. There's more fake flamingos in America than real ones. That is a wild fact. That is sad. That's a sad fact. Yeah, okay.

Mike's just really into interior design and it's like, it's time. Okay, that's over. Flamingos, they're in the past. Yep. Let's leave them there. Are flamingos from America, though? Yeah, I think you like Miami area, can't they be? Yeah, right, there you go.

they be? Can't they be? Geez, can't they be? Miami area, can't they be? Who we got bringing up the rear here? Yeah, native to Florida. But disappeared from the state around the turn of the 20th century. What?

But after 1925, people started captive colonies of flamingos in South Florida, including a breeding colony, which still remains. Wow. You know, they get their color from the algae they ate or whatever. Is that that that? Yeah. Might not be algae, but it's some sort of, maybe the krill or the krull. Really?

Well, the... Some little thing. And finally, from Birmingham in Great Britain. It's Eloise Trigotha. Eloise is trying to ban the use of pens, because they keep... All the school excursions were to the Birmingham Pen Museum. And they've just taken a stance against it. Yeah.

Stop rubbing it in my face that I rub ink all over the page. Okay. It's very triggering for me. Eloise Trigotha. That is a fantastic name. Thank you so much to a Eloise. Eloise, Mike, Billy, Monny, Andrew Ayers, Malika, Katrina, and Jarvo. And the last thing we need to do is welcome a few into our Triptitch Club.

The Triptage Club, Dave, explains so well. This is our Hall of Fame. The long-term supporters of the show that have been supporting the show for three consecutive years at the shoutout level or above, we welcome them into our clubhouse where we serenade them with music. them food and drink. We provide them entertainment. We provide them a place to sleep if they need it. Yeah. Well, they do need it because they're not allowed to leave. Yeah, they are. You do live here now. That's absolutely right. And Dave, I don't think, have we ever mentioned this before that it is a Hall of Fame and everyone gets a painted portrait of themselves down the hall?

Yes. We've got the same artist that did Shane Mourne's mural that he put together of him hanging out with, you know, your Chris Martens, your Mike Tyson. You Jack Nicholson Yeah, that's right So we get that same great artist To paint you onto the wall And now there's a thousand faces on that figure It's pretty awesome

That's beautiful Pretty amazing stuff It's overwhelming So try and spot yourself up there Find yourself up there's a big wall Take a moment with it like just yeah Really like soak it in And I'm just having a look

We're only a year away From the first people being inducted into The TripTipitch Club The nine years of support which is why we're busily working on it. It's being built at the moment. That's why you might notice some scaffolding up. Yeah.

That is a new separate extra area for the trip trippers. Yeah. But they're not going to be starting to be inducted until November 2025. The infinity pool is looking great. It is looking so good. That bit is complete. Yeah. But you are not allowed.

No. Well, not. Some of you will. We are. Because we've been here from day one. Yeah, yeah. Nobody has supported us longer than we've been here. I don't think so.

It's not possible. Maybe Evan Monroe Smith. Evan Monroe Smith. Evan can be in the pool. Yeah. Yeah, we'll put him in. Put him in the pool. He's fully dressed.

And he goes. All right. So we've got three names to be inducted this week. But before we get there, Jess, you're behind the bar. Are you serving anything up in the club? Certainly not. No. Because of prohibition.

Yes. Jesse's winking, actually. No, I don't have anything secret. You don't know about this, but a lot of the moonshine killed people. What? Is you serving anything like that? No? No.

Okay, well, that's probably good. I think nothing is better than that. People were desperate to have a drink. It was kind of wild. I have got moonshine, but it is too hot. Oh, my God, hot moonshine? It won't kill you. Well, unless you have it right away.

Yeah, you've got to let it cool down. Okay. And Dave, have you booked a band? Yes, coming in this week. I mean, one of the all-time greats, we've got Iggy Pop. Whoa, lust for life. Loss for life, that's right. Are you going to be my dog?

That was just a question, Dave. Well, I don't want to be it. Seek and destroy or search and destroy. I get Metallica's one and there's confused. And he's going to be doing solo stuff and also Stooges stuff. Is he going to be doing candy, the duet with maybe one of the B-52s? I don't know. Who was that with?

Kandah, Kandi, Kandi, I can't let you go. I don't know it, no. Oh, my, oh, anything I've got you so. When I hear the actual song. Oh, yes. It would be so long to realize. I, like, genuinely, I was fully an adult before I realized that it wasn't coincidental that no one could ever recognize the song I was trying to tell him.

So I don't sound anything. But I feel I'm like, no, what do you know, no, you know this song. because, kandah, kandah, kind of like, no idea. And honestly, it would have been like 100 people going before I eventually went, oh, I don't sound like I think I sound. Your whole life. Oh, you know, Kondi, Kandah, Kandah, Kandu. You know, like singing some of the most famous songs.

Let it be. No. Even the words aren't helping me. You're making it sound so different that the words sound like different words. I mean, I know the Beatles letter B, but that's not that. No. There must be a different little bit. What are you talking about?

So we've got three inductees this week. Dave, did you say, yes, Iggy Pop. Iggy Pop. Also, maybe most famously as the rage intro, I'm a real wild one, wild one. And he's crawling around and stuff. What a performance. All right, so, Dave, you ready?

Absolutely. You're up on the stage. You're hyping them up. Please hang around everybody for Iggy Pop. Sorry, Deb, you can just come a bit closer. I can't reach your butt. Thank you. Oh, thank you.

Oh, thank you. Jeez, how's your father? First up from Tilaray. Oh. In California, yeah, it's Candice Harrison. Candice Harris, son of a preacher man. Candy, candy, candy. I hope you don't mind me calling me candy.

Candice Harrison, am I right in thinking that she's the one who made the doc of things I've said not right? I believe so, yes. Matt misremembers. Doing God's work, which you can find in the Patreon Facebook group. I'd also love to welcome in. Thank you so much for your support from New York. New York. It's James Lee.

I want to James Lee. Oh my God. Yes. That is easily the best you've ever done. I agree. I don't need to hype him at all. That was perfection. Yeah, that felt good.

Was that accidental? That felt good. That was fantastic. Oh, my God. I've been waiting a year. for that. I am. So I'm just ashamed that you got one more to go.

I know. Why can't we go? I've gone with a musical theme, so let's try and give you going. And finally, from Newcastle, Steel City in New South Wales, it's Jess Evans. Seventh, Jess Evans. Yeah, no, it was. James Lee was the best. Buying a stairway to Jess Evans.

Yeah, yeah. Slast of Jess Evans. And just... Timing a stairway. Jess Evans. Pretty good. That's pretty good. Well, the way Jess did it was.

Yeah, the way I fixed it was pretty good, yes. You slid a few puzzle pieces across to Jess. Well, I wrote it. You just performed it. You said, can you make this make sense? You gave her a muddled up Rubik's Cube, and she did that blindfold thing with one ad. You think that was like a... I don't think I know.

You've hit a nerve. You've hit a nerve. I walk of in, Jess, and I'm so sorry, Dave, peaked early. James and Candy Candace I want to James Lee Let's not forget it All that brings us in the episode Anything we need to sell everyone just before we go

That you can suggest a topic And we would absolutely love you too The link is in the show notes You can also go to our website Which is do go on pod.com And you can find us on social media At do go on pod Or do go on podcast on TikTok

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