Two In The Think Tank - 481 - Vere St Leger Goold: The Irish Tennis Champion Murderer

Episode Date: January 8, 2025

Recorded in front of a HOT Dublin crowd, we hear the story of Irelands tennis champ, Vere St Leger Goold... and the story takes quite a few twists and turns along the way!This is a comedy/history podcast, the report begins at approximately 08:02 (though as always, we go off on tangents throughout the report).For all our important links: https://linktr.ee/dogoonpod Check out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Who Knew It with Matt Stewart: https://play.acast.com/s/who-knew-it-with-matt-stewart/Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasDo Go On acknowledges the traditional owners of the land we record on, the Wurundjeri people, in the Kulin nation. We pay our respects to elders, past and present. REFERENCES AND FURTHER READING: Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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for the 500th episode. Oh my goodness! Yeah! Hello Dublin! Oh my god, we needed that. Holy shit. We needed that so badly. Thank you so much. Was anybody in Belfast last night? You know why we needed this pause then.

Belfast hated me. Oh my God. No. Hated me. They did not hate you. It was incredible. They hated me. Are you doing Belfast or just?

I need to just establish. Dublin is one of my favorite cities. If I think my favorite city in the entire world. She says this every night. I don't, I love Dublin, I'm very happy to be back. I remember saying that to an Irish woman that I worked with years ago. I was like, oh, where are you from? She's like Dublin is my favourite city.

And she said, why? I was like, oh yeah, fair enough, sorry about that. Sorry, I, fair enough, sorry about that. Sorry, I love your city, sorry about that. Doesn't make my top ten. In Ireland. Oh man, thank you so much for coming out. Yeah, thank you so much. Look, we've got couches.

Look at this. What a lovely spot. I'm going to get comfy. Yeah, I'll sit back down here. I became really aware at a comedy venue when I went for a piss before. Any fellas? That is funny stuff. For the people that haven't been in, do you want to explain what you're talking about?

Well, yeah, if anyone hasn't had a piss at the urinals. In front of every urinal there's a woman, I think a photo of. Very realistic. One of them's got a tape measure out. The other one, she's looking pretty impressed. Another one, she's taking a photo. So you know, you've got options. Which one did you decide to go to?

I went for the one where... She was going. Yeah. It felt the most natural for me. The one, yeah, the one who was gagging. You could take that two ways. You could take that two ways and I'll allow you to... I won't tell you which way I meant it.

I feel like I'm swimming in this chair to be honest with you. Yeah, yeah. No thank you. Yeah, this is very nice. This is cosy. Dave, explain what we're doing. Hi everyone. I'm just going to wave at these guys over this side. Say hi to these guys over here. I'll just keep checking in. Great. Should we start the show properly? Okay. Great.

So, hello. What have you got? I hope Front Row knows if you get food, I'm having some. I hope you know that. I'll come over. A bit of corn chips left here. I hope you know that. There's a bit of corn- I will be, I'll come over. Bit of corn chips, corn chips left here. Okay, start the show. Yeah, sorry, sorry.

You're distracted immediately. I'll come back later. Sorry, I was saying. Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On. Dublin, how you doing out there? Oh my god. Wow. Wow. You know what? Completely, completely.

You were right to leave the North behind. What the fuck is wrong with you? You were just talking about how much you hated Belfast. I thought I was sticking up for you. I said Belfast hated me. But I also hated Belfast. I love Belfast. I love Dublin. So. I love Dublin. So I just love everyone.

Get him out of this hole. Before the show, we were given some lovely gifts and I thought I'd show them to you because we've got from, am I saying this right? Morseys Crafts? Is it Morsey? Morsey? Yeah, you're just saying it with a weird accent. With an Australian accent.

Yeah. Yes, a weird accent, a weird accent. Dave, we are really outnumbered here. This is the weird accent of the moment. Yeah, the person doing the fire drill on the pre-recording, I was like, are they doing a parody voice or is that just their voice? Yeah.

They just sound that delightful. Yeah, I love it. It's the best. And we sound like chainsaws. So Morzy thank you so much. Nah. Nah we don't. So Morzy's made this which we are gonna put up in our office. These are cards there's one that says how good is it to be alive? Which is amazing. I'll field that one. Really good. So that's obviously Matt's catchphrase. And then Jess is represented with I wish I was never born.

Yeah. Stand by that every day. And then I'm represented by the catchphrase that of course I say every single week. I'm a virgin the catchphrase that of course I say every single week, I'm a virgin and I eat paws. That's the PC version. He actually doesn't eat the paws. What happens between me and a beef and Guinness is up to me.

So great to be here. Thanks for coming out. Who's, we always ask by asking at our live shows, who's heard the podcast before? Brilliant. All right, other end of the scale, we always ask this, so don't be shy. Give us a round of applause if you've never heard Dougal on ever. Always in the front row.

Honestly, that is, I think, was that four from four in the front row. Always taking up prime real estate. Honestly, there are people who want that chair, you dog. You get up and you stand at the back. No, thanks for coming out. Thank you. If you haven't heard the show before, basically what we do here is we take it in turns to report on a topic often suggested to us by one of the listeners. We go away, do a bit of research, then bring it back.

Now it is Matt's turn to do the report tonight. Yes, and we always start the... did you say that with the question? No, I didn't, but you can say it now. We always start with a question. And I'm going to ask one now. This is to get us on to the topic. Famous for its crystal, what is Ireland's oldest city? Is it Crystal City?

No, Jess. Waterford. Yes, it? Waterford. Yes, it's Waterford! CHEERING Jess, how did you just know that? I don't know, it just like came to me from over there. Of course, the crystal! It also came to me from over there, someone said Crystal City, what the fuck?

LAUGHTER Send me up. Are we talking about Waterford Crystal for an hour? No. That's pretty, that's actually, that's the only reference to Crystal and Waterford for the show but, no no, I will say it one more time. According to RTE, Ver Thomas Gould, he's the main character in tonight's episode, he was born on the 2nd of October 1853 in Waterford Island. I read another thing that said he was born in Clonmeld County, Tipperary. But anyway, that one didn't have any crystals, so I just went with the crystal one.

I forgot to check who suggested this topic, but someone really good. He was the sixth child of George Ignatius Gould and his wife Clara. No surname attached. His dad was a justice of the peace and resident magistrate in Waterford. Oh my God, I said it again, and his wife Clara was the daughter of a man who was Major General James Webber Smith. So yeah she was also So she had a really impressive dad. Yeah yeah. Good for her. For the Irish Times Nathan Mannion writes, he was the child of an aristocratic family. So close.

Look at that. The grandson of a baronet or a baronet, it doesn't matter. And a great-grandson of the Earl of Kenmare. As an adolescent in Waterford, oh my god, I'm going to say this a lot I think. I said before, I'd already said it the only time, but I think we're up to four. You lied. Yeah, okay. Let's keep count.

Does it count if I restart a sentence? Yes. As an adolescence in Waterford, he spent his free time sailing, hunting, riding horses and playing tennis. He was fiercely competitive and didn't shy away from putting his money where his mouth is. These traits would remain with him throughout his life. Gould was also known to be an unceasingly charming

and frequently used his charisma to advance himself socially. Oh, my ears are burning. Is everyone, are we all familiar with this guy, Ver Thomas Gould? No. One of Ireland's favourite sons? LAUGHTER Has anyone heard of him at all? No.

LAUGHTER We've got a hand up! No-one. No spoilers. LAUGHTER That's so funny. Everyone's going, no. No. No, and we don't care to know.

I could ask around, but I'm just going to say no. Yeah, no. He's not bono. Let it go. Fuck it out. I don't remember yesterday. You guys are really holding on to five years ago. Hey Jess.

Remember last time? No. Truly no. So anyway, this guy is basically a smooth talking fella born in a well-to-do fancy pants family. But that's not how he made his name. Instead, it was on the tennis court. Now you're starting to remember.

You're the guy who played tennis. You know, one of your many famous Irish tennis players. Yeah. Manian continues, as his father's fifth son, he didn't stand to inherit very much and tennis appeared to him as a gateway to a rarefied existence that otherwise would have been beyond his means. You know, it's a classic pathway. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You go, okay, well, I'm not going to inherit much.

I'm going to go into a nice steady career as a tennis player. Guaranteed. Yeah. Apparently, Waterford was an early adopter of competitive lawn tennis events. And our man, Veer Gould, was keen to be involved. He often played incognito, though, avoiding the nepo baby claims, of course.

Oh, yeah, of course you're playing tennis. Your granddad's a baronet? This is the thing you put at the end of a gun in old wars, right? Bayonet. Okay. I was going to say I didn't think they could reproduce. But anyway, he competed under a fake name, Veer St. Ledger. He kept the veer, which to me is the bit that stands out the most. He's the only veer I've ever heard of. Are there any veers in? Is there really?

No. No. No. It was this, no. No. Were you? No. No. No. It was this, no. For the best part, it wasn't even Austin Tastes as well. It was like, yes. I am Veer.

Veer here. Veer is I. Veer I. Are you Veer I? No. What is your name? No. What is your name? Claire. Claire. Claire, did you mishear what we said?

Are there any Claire's here? Claire. Claire, you're a nightmare. And I'm a big fan. That's the best. Anyway, he found success playing tennis in 1878. He traveled to Limerick where he won the singles championship. Oh, there's a few Limericks in. Are you actually? Claire, are you lying to me?

Claire, you are trouble. You know, we know she is telling the truth because she actually attended with a lie detector. No. No. No. Just her wife. What is a wife if not a lie detector? A good move to Dublin!

And became a member at the Fitzwilliam Lawn Tennis Club. Any members of the Fitzwilliam Lawn Tennis Club in an eye? Imagine. Claire? Claire's a menace. It's fucking 20 past three. I love this place. If you think a menace is someone putting their hand up politely every day.

Quietly I do. What are they looking for? I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I love this place. If you think a manist is someone putting their hand up politely. Politely I do.

What do they look? According to RTE, Gould was a prominent member of the Fitzwilliam Club. The club colours when he joined had been chocolate and blue. That is the worst combo I've ever heard. There are so many colours, why do you go for brown? And blue. Yuck. That is the worst combo I've ever heard. There are so many colours, why do you go for brown? And blue. Yuck.

Well, they then changed the colours to chocolate and maize. Maize. Corn? Like yellow? I guess so. Brown and yellow. But I can't even say that. This is a fancy, fancy place.

But yeah, this was a bit of fun. I think you'll enjoy this. Because of Gould and another player there, Ernest de Silly Hammy Brown, oh, you're familiar with, yeah. They started calling the colors, instead of chocolate and maize, they called them brown and gould. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha scarf in the club was compulsory. So go through the cap. Cap. I'm okay with that. Tie. I don't like that. Yeah, when you're playing tennis. Yeah. A waist scarf. A waist scarf. Are you wearing pants? Pants are not compulsory. It's just a waist scarf. But isn't it, I mean it shows how ridiculous it is, like now you'd go in all those places you wouldn't be allowed to wear a cap back then you had to you know what I mean yeah he's speaking truth to power up here tonight

in 1879 the Fitzwilliam Club held the inaugural and the inaugural Irish championships and Gould went on to beat CD Barry got that Perry he won eight six eight six in the final this was in the men's singles, and he won 20 pounds. Oh! Whipplin' of about two to three grand today. Oh! With this win, he was able to enter... Oh!

Yeah. Oh! I'm having a good time. Two to three grand pound? Yeah, not Aussie dollars. Yeah. So two to three pound, that's like $45,000,000 to 3,000,000 pounds? Not Aussie dollars. So 2,000,000 to 3,000,000 pounds, that's like $45,000 Australian dollars. That's pretty good. You could buy Tasmania for that.

That's a place in Australia. It's a really beautiful place, but we talk about it like it's shit. It's another one of those emerald islands that the English stole. So he was known for having a splendid backhand and his play was, quote, showy and attractive. And remembering this man is already charismatic off the course. He is also showing and attractive on the court. Oh, my God. I was going to say I'm barring up right now, but that would have been inappropriate. This took him all the way to the final.

This is at Wimbledon, I should say. He's at Wimbledon? He's at Wimbledon. I've told you he got to the final, and then I'll let you know the final was at Wimbledon. He's at Wimbledon. Wow. I've told you he got to the final and then I'll let you know the final was at Wimbledon. That was a great reveal. Wow, it was Wimbledon the whole time. I've decided to read this every like paragraph, paragraph, then back to paragraphs. Yeah. Yeah, just get a little bit more fun for everybody So if at home on the recording you can you can chop it up and put it in your own order Even at random it'll probably make more sense than how I've done it

So he's made the final of Wimbledon. Right? That's big. Yeah, that's big. His opponent was one Reverend John Thornycroft Hartley. Give that to me again. Reverend John Thornycroft Hartley. I love it. Yeah. So good. You don't hear of a lot of reverends making the top

of sport. No. Not enough. But yeah, unsurprisingly, Veer St. Ledger Gould started his favourite in the match. I mean, how ridiculous would it be for a Reverend to win Wimbledon? Especially as Reverend Hartley had to return to Yorkshire

after his semi-final to give his church sermon before rushing back to Wimbledon on the train and then in a horse and carriage when he arrived just in time to make it. He was like, this guy can't win. He's a reverend. Now he goes off. He's a reverend in a rush. So there were about 1,100 spectators and they watched him flog Gould 646262. Whoa! Of Gould the

reverend said, he was then a cheery wild Irishman. He was an Irish champion and a very pretty player. I think he volleyed more than most of us that year but there were some weaknesses I suppose in his play. As being fit and well after a night's rest I won three sets straight off. You see, there's a little implied thing in there. He had a good night's rest. What's he suggesting? Well, what he was subtly alluding to is the fact that Gould hit the piss the night before

and was under the weather during the match. A report at the time put it as, quote, a roaring hangover. Let me give you a quick aside about the Reverend. So Reverend John Thornycroft Hartley was ordained a priest in 1873, the same year the St. Kilda Football Club was formed actually. While we're on the subject. He wasn't only the first clergyman to win Wimbledon, he was also the second when he defended his title the following year. The reverend was on a tear. And he remains the only man of cloth to have won Wimbledon to this day. Sadly, he was unable to three-peat losing in 1881, 061616, which I believe was still the

shortest final on record. He got flogged real quick. He later blamed his performance on English cholera. Which I guess, yeah, luckily it was a man of cloth. Would have needed it to tidy up. Um... I don't know, is Chloro one of the things where you're extreme? I don't know what Chloro is. Yeah, look...

Chloro is someone who has horse gets? Is it? Colic. Colic, thank you. Ketamines, fantastic. Ketamines, one of those things a horse gets. We'll take three. Thank you so much. He played his final Wimbledon singles in 1883 where he was eliminated in the second round by the delightfully named Herbert Wilberforce.

There are so many brilliant names in this, it's unbelievable. Apparently he was awarded a silver medal by Queen Mary to celebrate 50 years of the championships in 1926 as one of the 34 champions who was still alive. Pretty good. That's Queen Mary like George V's wife, not the one who was well and truly dead by then. Thank you. In case you were wondering. Thank you, yes. Though he did, so yeah, let's go back to Ver St. Ledger Gould.

Though he did continue to play for another couple of years, things went downhill pretty quickly for Gould after his loss. As I touched on a little earlier, Gould had his issues with alcohol. That wasn't his only vice as he was also an opium addict and a big gambler. Okay. And this is a bit of a dangerous combination. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And in the end it did prove his undoing. After a string of losses, he quit tennis in 1883.

Then according to Mannion, he lived as a man of leisure on an allowance provided by his family but continued to drink heavily. RTE writes Gould later moved to London where he met a French woman named Marie Violet. By the time she met him in 1886 she'd already been widowed twice. Third time's the charm for Mary Violet. Was it suspicious circumstances? Yes. Yes. Jumping ahead but yes. I mean but this one's for love, surely. Yeah, that sounds a charm. You know, two husbands for Dr. Death, one for Dr. Love. As the famous saying goes.

I don't know if anyone in this room knows this, but sometimes I'll start a sentence not knowing where it's going. Results may vary. Let's find out about Marie Violet. Marie was the daughter of an ironmonger and worked as a dressmaker for most of her life. According to a 1907 article in the Washington Herald, she was recognized as a woman of great energy. Claire. Got a great vibe. Yes, I did mention that she'd been widowed twice before. Well, historian J. Robert Nash notes that her earlier life had been one of an adventurous

and that her first two husbands died mysteriously. Anyway, moving on, the Goulds lived a lavish lifestyle and after marrying in Paddington in 1891 they moved around a lot to escape their partying and gambling debts. They moved to Montreal and Canada for a period running a dressmaking company but after running up debt there they returned slash fled back to England. In the meantime, Veer's older brother had succeeded or succeeded, it doesn't matter, succeeded, whatever. He took over from his uncle in 1900 to become Sir James Gould. He got the sir.

According to the Washington Herald, on the death of another brother, Frederick Veer, he laid claim to the title and started referring to himself as Sever. This is despite the fact that he probably had no right to. He's like, yeah, I'm Sever now. Our guy. Our tennis man. Veer. Or was I saying Veer? Veer? Yeah, Veer. That's why you're confused. It's not because of the way I'm telling the story, it's how I'm pronouncing the story. It seems like it was not legitimate. But anyway, he started going around calling himself Sir. His new wife was Lady Gould. When the Goulds returned to London, they ran another dressmaking company, maybe

a laundry company, maybe that meant the same thing back then, who knows? There's no way to know. According to the Washington Herald. This article from 1997 has been very handy to me. It says, there they lived in apparent affluence and appeared to have been accepted by one section of society as thorough gentle folk of high degree. They were living it up. You know, Sarah and a lady. The lifestyle you would expect of those two made‑up things. But unfortunately they continued to spend beyond their means. Once again running

out of money. Luckily they had a plan. Once again it meant they were going to move, this time to Monte Carlo and they were going to make their living gambling. Yes! Oh my gosh. This feels like a foolproof plan. Yeah, I feel like an idiot for not thinking of that. Why are we here in Dublin? We should be in Monte Carlo.

Should we all go to Monte Carlo? Yeah, I'm quitting our dressmaking business tomorrow. Yeah, yeah. As Mannion writes, growing desperate, Severe and Lady Gould, as they referred to themselves, decided they needed a big windfall and windfall to set their fortunes right again. They left for Monaco where they were determined to break the bank at that renowned cathedral of vice, the Casino di Monte Carlo. According to Mark

Hodgkinson writing for the Tennis Space. Sorry, the Tennis Face? Tennis Space. Tennis Space. the tennis face? Tennis space. Tennis space. Tennis space. Tennis pace? Tennis space. Tennis space. I'm still not sure.

I don't know. What is it? And we're the ones with the weird accents here. According to Hodgkinson, writing for that beautiful medium that I said. Lady Gould believed that, quote, she had developed a system for playing roulette. That's the easiest one, isn't it?

You get a system. You get a system. Roulette's one that you can definitely get a system for. It's going to be one, then it's going to be four, then it's going to be five. Back to one. Once you crack the system on roulette, it's just a license to print money. I mean, you've got to look to the stars and stuff first and figure out your lucky colours, but eventually once you get your system down and when Libra is in retrograde, you can... And you find out if your lucky colour is red or blue. I have no idea where this story is going.

Yeah, do I? He was a tennis player for a bit. Yeah, now they're gambling. Now there's a sus wife. This is exciting, yeah. Oh, there's always a sus wife, isn't there? Behind every great tennis player was a sus wife. I'm sus on this wife.

Great time for a sip. Yeah. We gave you some time. Yeah. We had a little riff over here. Yeah. This is all part of the stagecraft, you know? Like...

Like I was going to say... CHEERING Whoa! APPLAUSE You gave me too much time now. Hey Matt, are you still driving back up to this? This good thing about Irish stouts, they're always 4%. Is that right? I did get mine with a shot of whiskey, but I actually drive better under those conditions.

And do go on, we're never seen again. It doesn't matter. So this Herald article wrote at the time, Mrs. Gould is described by one who knew her as an accomplished, amiable, and generous woman, a French lady to her fingertips. What the fuck does that mean? French to her fingertips? Oh yeah.

What the, what is that? I like it. Well, I mean, everyone hears from closer to France, what does that mean? Claire? Claire just puts her hand up. Claire, would you describe yourself as Irish to the fingertips? Oh, God, yeah. During the following three years, so they lived in Monte Carlo for three years, there

they occupied a charming suite on the first floor at the Villa Manassini in the Boulevard de Molina Monte Carlo. You just showed your Monte Carlo to your fingertips as well. That's what French to your fingertips means. Italian. Italian to your fingertips as well. That's what French to your fingertips means? Italian. Italian to your fingertips. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well Monte Carlo is right there between France and Italy, so it's a beautiful meeting of

those two great cultures. Manian continues, after some initial success at the roulette table, she must have been like, I knew it, I knew it, the system is working. It didn't last long. They began to lose heavily and once more sought to endear themselves to wealthy patrons who could subsidise their lifestyle. They settled on a woman named Emma Levin, a rich Danish widow who soon made Lady Gould a companion of hers and agreed to loan Veer a thousand francs.

Bit of cash. That's a lot of cash. Yeah. It's like I also saw it written as like 40 pounds. And I could not figure out a way. Anyway, apparently it's... It's three million Australian dollars. Yes, exactly.

It was a lot of money at the time. According to the Herald, M11 was the widow of a great stock home merchant. She moved in a good society and was well‑to‑do. I think all of this stuff is really good and legitimate. Do we have any well‑to‑do types in tonight? Yeah. Yeah, great. Get the wife going, no. No. Just put your hand down.

She was always smartly dressed and very intelligent. She also loved wearing expensive jewelry. According to the hair order, her fine diamonds and jewelry were estimated to be worth more than $10,000 American in 1907 money. Confusing, but wow. It's an article from 1907 in Washington's, if you know what I mean. So it's a fuck ton of money. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

According to Hodgkinson, the Goulds had such a poor run at the roulette wheels in 1907, that Veer broke down back at the villa. Their financial situation was so desperate that he could hardly afford another bottle of whiskey. I mean, he could afford it, but only just. He couldn't go top shelf anymore.

He was slightly lower there. So sad. Soon enough the Goulds had also lost all the money which they had borrowed from Levin. Woo! Crippling debt. But as all good gamblers know, you've got to chase your losses. That's what they were doing. Levin had a number of other beneficiaries.

One of those was a lady named Madame Castellazzi. I liked the start of that. And then it finished with Nazi. Dave, sometimes you can hear what you want to hear. What I said was, Madame Castelazze. Did you hear Castelazze? No. I'm sorry, mate. You're on your own.

Did anyone over here hear? No. Fucking hell. Wow, that's a lot of people shaking their heads. Yeah. Anyone, anyone, Nazi, anyone? No, no, no. Lady Gould didn't like this, didn't like that there were others that the madame favored as well. So she started trying to drive a wedge between Casalazzi and

Levin. Casalazzi said your dress is ugly and she said you smell really bad. Really? What a bitch. Oh my god and that's coming from a Nazi. Did you like when I got in really weirdly close there? Yeah. Use the space. Yeah, you got it. So Gordon Castellazzi, that's all right. Different every time. Gordon Castellazzi started quarreling publicly and they quarrelled so much that the quarrel

started making the papers. Love that. A public feud. It was a big feud. I love a feud. Big in the Monte Carlo press and all the hubbub is said to have embarrassed Levin. This is on top of the fact that an unsigned letter was slipped under her hotel room's door suggesting that Veer and Marie were fraudsters and had no legal right to the titles they were using. Which was correct. In fact, Veer's older brother who was the rightful owner of the title was alive and living in Australia. That's where we are living! I hadn't even put that together. I love it when Australia gets mentioned.

Do you think it could be the same Australia? Where in Australia? Where could it be? Where do you reckon? Could it? Not Melbourne. I don't care then. It was on a cattle station.

Apparently he didn't want to go by the serb because he was trying to be cool in front of the other farm. The cows? Yeah, the cows. No, I'm just like you cow. Just a regular guy. And the cow's like, my name is actually Lady Moo. Why do they do that really half-assed applause? That was a pity applause.

It's pity, yes. We'll take it. I don't think it didn't feel good for anyone that you didn't commit. I didn't earn it. I think that cheapened I Think cheapen the whole experience. I think that's actually put a dampener on things. It was going so well You were reading real good So now Levin has been tipped off that the people who owe her a bit of cash are probably full of shit.

Yeah. So she's like, and they're also making a scene. But Marie's still trying to spread gossip about other people. So she's like, she's wearing purple today, and she is such a spring. Mm. LAUGHTER According to Hodgkinson,

Levin demanded immediate repayment of the Gould's loan. And on Sunday the 4th of August, 1907, she accepted an invitation to collect her money from their apartment. She was never seen alive again. Oh! Okay, that's where this was going. Okay, well, so to, yeah, who knows? She might have got on a jet. Yeah.

She went on a jet. She might have gone on a jet by herself. Maybe she went on a jet. Maybe she moved to Australia. Yeah, to a spot where no one could see her alive. Yeah. We don't know. We don't know. Maybe she moved to Australia. Yeah, to a spot where no one could see her alive. We don't know. We don't know.

I'm telling you now. So pretty soon after, Madame Castellazzi reported her as missing to the police. And when the cops visited the Gould's apartment, they arrived to find a grisly scene. There was blood splattered everywhere and a blood covered dagger as well as a butcher's knife and some saws Hey, let's not jump to any conclusions Okay Sure, there's a perfectly reasonable explanation why this tennis player has this stuff. Okay dagger. What was this? What was it in the middle there? Butcher's knife butchers knife

saws What was it in the middle there? Butcher's knife. Butcher's knife. Sores. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. But there was no body. Oh, well then. Yeah. Thank goodness for that. What, you're not allowed to have bloody daggers in your house?

Yeah, what is this, nanny state? What is this, nanny state? I thought Monte Carlo was cool. According to the Herald, on the night Levin left town, a servant girl at the Goulds apartment complex stated that she heard sounds of a struggle and a voice that cried out, let me alone. Let me alone. Yes.

Oh, she deserved to die. Strangely enough, the Goulds had also decided to leave town soon after. They were heading to Marseille by the train. Is that right? Marseille? Marseille. Merci beaucoup. This man is French to his fingertips.

Oui, oui. The person tried to correct you, when you tried to copy them they went, I give up with this guy. But the fact that you knew how to correct me means that I wasn't that far off. If I was in France I was like, I cannot help you. What you're saying is not anything. I love the French. I love everyone.

I love everyone. They have a certain, I don't know, how do you say? Yeah, it's like a... Yeah, I wish there was a word for it. Sort's like a... Yeah, it's like a... Yeah, I wish there was a word for it. Sort of like a... A joie de vie. I don't know. It's all on the shoulders, isn't it?

French. Je ne sais quoi. Why are you doing it again? No! No! No! Somehow that was worse than before. So anyway, the ghouls just happened to be leaving town.

Yeah. At the same time. They probably didn't even know. No, ghouls love to travel. Yeah,. Yeah. At the same time. They probably didn't even know. No, ghouls love to travel. Yeah, they do. They've been travelling this whole time. They've been fleeing a lot, travelling a lot. And it's a coincidence.

It sucks for them that they accidentally left behind their dagger, their butcher's knife and their saw. Yeah, and that old lady fell on them. Yeah. You know that feeling, did I leave the oven on, did I leave my bloody knives? Shit, actually, where did I leave my bloody daggers? But anyway, yes, so they went to that French place via train. That French place?

Javodon. And yeah, from there they planned to sail back to the UK. Unfortunately for them, though, at the train station a porter became suspicious about their luggage. Oh, no! It had a smell and a trail of blood. No. The porter thought something was a bit off. Something smelled a little odd if you know what I mean. And I mean literally. Their luggage stank. It was putrid apparently. Oh my God. The perfect crime. They just want to zip up the suitcase and go job done. We'll take this with us. Yeah, but don't worry about this.

The Goulds had a perfectly good explanation. They explained the suitcase was full of dead chickens. They just slaughtered the poultry and were taking it with them on their travels. No need to have a closer look. Just dead chickens. The porter was a suspicious type. And he thought he better call the cops just in case. And after they arrived, the gulps were taken to the police station and the trunk was opened in their presence when opened the butchered body of Madame

Levin was discovered according to the Herald the head and parts of the legs were missing they were found in smaller pieces of luggage the head was in a hatbag this report started with a reference to Waterford Crystal. You're so right. And this is where we're at. This is such a crazy journey. This guy almost won Wimbledon. If he didn't get drunk the night before he probably would have. And he was beaten by a reverend.

What the fuck? Are you just making this up? No. I can't remember who suggested it did you dream this what a dream yeah the woman's body had several wounds on the head and she'd been stabbed several times in the chest. Mr. and Mrs. Gould, despite saying it, it wasn't them. What the fuck happened to our chicken mag? Ah! I must have swapped it.

Oh my god, you know what? That means Greg's got our chickens. That is embarrassing. Greg's a vegetarian. Cannibal. A vegetarian cannibal. So, yeah, they get arrested, the Goulds. And this may shock you, but the police alleged that when Levin visited the Goulds to ask for her money back, they killed her and stole her jewelry, which was worth 125,000 francs. Oh, my God, that's so much. Francs.

Francs. And how good is this? How good is this line from Shane Harrison writing for the BBC in Ireland? Ver Thomas St. Ledger Gould would soon exchange the tennis courts for the courts of law. I mean, law courts, it's right there. I thought that was fantastic. The courts of tennis for the courts of law. The incident became known as the Monte Carlo trunk murder,

and its trial lasted only three days. The goulds had 30 witnesses appearing against them. People were pretty keen to put them away, to be honest. But despite all the witnesses and the evidence and being caught red handed basically, the Goulds weren't ready to concede defeat just yet. Obviously they had to pivot from their original story. Despite forensic testing being fairly primitive back then. The police were confident the remains were human and not poultry.

I don't think chickens have hands. But neither do these bodies. Neither does these bodies. Jess, wait, wait, wait. I've written down something really fun. Okay. So the murder was most foul, but clearly not most foul. Yeah! Now that feels right.

Yeah. That one was deserved, that one was deserved. I bow down to the pun king over there. If I'm being honest, that one works better written down. Anyway, according to the Herald, they admitted that they had cut up her body, but they didn't murder her. We just found her dead and thought, well, we'll chop her up. This is what the article said.

So this article I've been quoting from from.07 was reporting just after the event. And it writes, Mrs. Gould declares that when Madame Levin visited her home, a man rushed in with a knife in his hand and killed her. He shouted, you wretch, you have ruined me. Now I'm going to kill you. Mr. Gould stated that the woman was killed by a man during the absence of himself and his wife and that they decided to cut the body into pieces and put them in a trunk in order to avoid scandal. It makes perfect sense to me. Yeah. I like it they're both saying she was killed by a man, we weren't there. We weren't

there but it was a man who killed her. It was a man. I know that we weren't there, but I know it to be a man who killed her when we weren't home. So that convinced me, but unfortunately it did not convince the court. Sorry, the law court. Thank you. Marie then changed her story again and suggested that it was actually her husband, Ver, all along. Hodgkinson writes, throughout the trial, Marie veered between bravado and self-pity when she shrieked, howled, sobbed and threatened to faint. I'll faint, I will. I'll do it.

Don't push me, I can faint. Imagine somebody's reaction to that being like, no, please don't, no. Don't faint. Harrison writes, it was the prosecution case that Mrs Gould had instigated the crime like a Lady Macbeth figure and that Veer was easily manipulated and a contemptuous pity and a drunk and a debauched creature. So he doesn't come out of it great. Honestly, you'd rather be the murderer than that. That's so sad. Remember historian J. Robert Nash, who said her first two husbands had died mysteriously?

He also added that there may have been more husbands who had met the same fate, meaning that Mrs. Gould seems to have been a serial killer but that is still a mystery. But anyway, Harrison continues. After a quick three-day trial, Justice was served and both were found guilty. And it was super rare at the time but she got a heavier sentence than him. Normally that would never happen. Yeah, feminist. Get it, Queen.

A logger sentence. She was sentenced to death by guillotine. That's what you've been fighting for. According to Hodgkinson, it was the right of the condemned to choose where they wanted to die. So they could choose which jurisdiction or whatever it's going to be by guillotine, but where do you want it to happen? She chose near the casino. Unfortunately the jurisdiction did not have a guillotine or an executioner, so her sentence was commuted to life imprisonment. What?

She's a genius. What a sweet loophole she found. I'd choose Atlantis. Yeah, things in prison went super good. She died seven years later of typhoid fever. Beer on the other hand didn't even make it that long. He was sentenced to life in prison on Van Diemen's land, only French. It's located off the coast of French Guiana in South America. It ran as a penal colony for 100 years between 1852 and 1952. I like how they let them make the tongue.

You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They wanted to wrap it up about four years earlier, but they said, let's just keep it going. Come on, we've got to make it to our triple nidge. It was notorious for a 75% death rate due to harsh conditions, including tropical diseases and the harsh treatment from wardens. Prisoners on the island were categorised either as political prisoners, habitual criminals, and also felons that were sentenced

to hard labor like Veer Sintleger Gould. Originally anyone with sentences over eight years was sent to live on Devil's Island permanently. So he was there for life, basically. It was known for its dense jungles and dangerous oceans. So it was pretty much known as being impossible to escape from. One of the island's most famous prisoners was a man named Alfred Dreyfus, a Jewish French Army captain who was wrongly convicted of being a German spy. He eventually had his conviction overturned but returned a broken man and never recovered from it. He wrote a book about the conditions on Devil's Island and apparently his writings

were one of the big reasons that contributed to it ultimately getting closed down. Wow. It was apparently, it was just fucked. If I could put it in a term, do you understand? And while the island was said to be inescapable, some prisoners did manage to escape, like French anarchist Clément Duval, who tried 20 times to escape unsuccessfully before succeeding. And he made it out and started a brand new life in New York City. Wow.

New York City. The most famous escapee was a man named Henri Chowry, nicknamed Papillon, which is French for butterfly, is it? He was a safecracker and thief turned murderer and was sentenced to life in prison in 1931. He tried to escape a number of times, succeeding twice. Once via boat, but was then caught and sent back. And finally, in 1944, he escaped on a coconut raft and settled in Venezuela,

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website or domain and you don't even have to be a sewage enforcement officer that's squarespace.com slash do go on. So there's a couple of fun slash grim slash dull facts there. Gould was one of the many, many victims of Devil's Island, one of the 75% who didn't make it through. He actually died by suicide the following year at the age of 55. And he is still the only Wimbledon finest to be convicted of murder. So far. I do have some, if you, I had some in case of time, had some fun facts about Wimbledon if we wanted cheering up.

Jess, would you be up for telling me if these are fun or not? Yeah. What have we got? I've got like five. Here we go. Maria Sharapova holds the record for the loudest on-court grunt. 101.2 decibels, which according to an audiology noise chart is about the same volume as an MP3 player at it fun is the snowmobile, to be honest.

In 1949 there was an upset win when Wimbledon's shortest ever player, 4 foot 9 Cynthia Jem Ho Hing beat 6 foot American model Gussie Moran. Wow. So that's just a short player, a play to tall player. And she won. I'm going to hand that one over to Dave. I find that fun. Just imagine that.

Which means it's dull. In 1913, a number of suffragette women were arrested on the grounds of Wibbiden attempting to carry out a politically motivated arson attack. Again, I was like, yeah, and then arson. I'm like, yeah, it's pretty fun. Arson's fun. All right, two more. All Wimbledon players have to wear white because back in the day sweat stains were considered

improper. I never knew that was why. Apparently, Andre Agassi decided not to play from 88 to 90 because he couldn't wear his colourful attire. And one year, Federer got in trouble for orange shoes. Nah. This last one better be fun. You can't sweat, but like, it does make it pretty bad if you shit yourself. Yes. You know what I mean?

Like it's really risky. That's why you're in black pants. Yeah. Black pants, black socks, stops it all. And it's the reason why Prince Andrew was allowed to wear colours. Finally, a hawk known as Rufus. Yes, fun, fun. Great.

Well, he's let out during Wimbledon to keep pigeons away. He was stolen in 2012 but found three days later. Fun. Where'd he go? I hope he had an adventure. stolen in 2012 but found three days later. Fun. Where'd he go? I hope he had an adventure. That's it. Give him a round of applause.

Come on. What the hell do we call this episode? Because I like not giving away where it's going. I was going to call it like... Claire's. Oh, we could call it Claire. We could call it Claire. Because initially I was thinking about calling it Ireland's tennis champion murderer, but that really, that gives

quite a lot of it away. Yeah. Do Gould on. Do Gould on. All right. The crowd has spoken. That's one of the wildest tales we've ever had because it just was going all over the place the whole time.

Yeah. I thought you'd lost the plot for a bit. Yeah. I was like, I don't know where this is going, and I don't know what's happening. And I was a bit frightened. I'll be real. When it got to the bit where he quit tennis, and I was like, is this it?

Yeah. We're just talking. He's had a pretty quiet retirement. Apparently, I didn't mention this, but he had an interest in photography. That's retirement stuff, isn't it? Exciting stuff. Oh man, one more time for Matt Stewart, everybody.

That was great. Well done. Thank you so much for coming out this afternoon. Our first time in Ireland in Dublin in five years. So an absolute pleasure to have you all here. We will be hanging out for a little bit. I know we saw some of you on the way in to buy some merch. We appreciate that. In the same spot on the way out, if you do want to come say hi we've got a limited time because there's another show for us tonight so we're here to what 445 only a little bit of time but we'd love to say hi to you we've still got a bit of merch but if you just want to say hi that'd be absolutely fantastic but no pressure feel free to just keep

heading up the stairs yeah just do this and avoid all eye contact that's also that's also fun yeah I was gonna I say something. I was going to say you can flip us off on the way past, but then they'll all do it. And it would be funny once and then after that I'd feel sad. We've got a long drive after this. So thank you. I don't know if that deserved an applause. But yeah, we are very, very grateful. What's up? I don't think anyone suggested it. I just looked in the hat.

I don't think it's been suggested. Where did it come from? I have no idea where it came from. I think it actually came... Have you suggested this? I don't know if it's how it ended up here, but I sent it in to you about five or six years ago. What's your name? Kieran O'Sullivan.

Kieran O'Sullivan suggested it. Thank you, Kieran. Good stuff. Yeah, it's very possible that my quick find feature in our spreadsheet did not do the job there. Sorry about that, Kieran. Or you don't know how to spell. So either of the two.

Either or. What are the odds you don't know how to spell or I don't know how to spell? Tell me how you spell your name, mate, and I'll tell you who. Kieran, obviously, K-I-E. It's honestly very easy sometimes. Anyway, Dave, boot this home. Hey, thank you so much again for coming out. Give yourselves a round of applause for us coming out on a Saturday afternoon. And thank you to the venue, the Lasser Labs for having us.

We love this place. Great place. Jackie up there, thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you Jackie. Woo! Chloe's been looking after us as well. Great venue, very well run, so thank you so much. That's the end of the episode.

We'll say thank you so much for coming, but until next time, it's goodbye! Later! Bye! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!

Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! And we're back in the room. Wow. Wow. We've been transported back into the podcast studio for the Patreon section of this show. And then I guess once we're done here, once we hit stop, we go back to Dublin? Yeah, we have to and then pick up where we started.

OK. So it's great. We've actually just walked off stage. Yeah. Fantastic. Thank you to the Laughter Lounge and everyone in Dublin for having us. We've got to get out there and sell some merch. Oh, hang on a second. All right. Let's let's keep this quick. No, thank you very much, everyone who did come out to that show.

It was a fantastic vibe in there. So fun. And a nice big venue in my favorite city. Oh, I love that place so much. It was great. And we love all the crowds, of course, but there's something about Irish and Scottish crowds that just seem funny in the crowd. Do you feel that?

Yeah. There's a couple of comments out there. You're just like, you guys are funny. Yeah. Don't say that because I encourage you. No, yeah, not too much. Yeah, sorry. No heckles. But unless you're Irish or Scottish. That's right. You've got it. Zip the lip. OK? Shut up.

Now we had a great time. We have lost Matt. Matt didn't teleport here. Whoops. He's teleporting. He did say he was having trouble with his teleportation device. OK, well, I guess we can just do it. Just us. Just this time. He's probably like some sort of like, you know, Irish pub.

Yeah. In Ireland. Yeah. Dave, you're being ridiculous. They just call them pubs there, mate. Um, okay. So, well, this is where we like to spend a little bit of time and, uh, and, and really sit in it, really bask in it.

Really? Uh, really? Yeah it. Really, really, how do you say? How do you say, would we say everyone's favorite section of the show? Yes, yes, yes, that's how I'd say it. This is kind of like our Patreon section where we thank people that are supporting the show on Patreon and you can do so at any time at patreon.com slash do go on pod

and you keep us rocking and rolling Yeah, we can't afford teleportation devices without you. Are you kidding me? And in exchange for the measly sum of supporting us teleporting you get some rewards including bonus episodes to do for every single month including 250 ish in the back catalog that you can unlock instantly so heaps of extra stuff if you're all caught up. You get to hear about live shows before everyone else, which is what happened on the entire Europe tour. You get discounts on those tickets.

You can be part of the Facebook group and you also, which is a very nice place. Some people say, I don't want to be on that. No, you do. You do. Trust me. You do. No, trust me. Yeah. Look me in the eye. Trust me. And you also get shout outs. And some people in the eye, trust me. And you also get shout outs and some people on the Sydney Scheinberg level or above get to be part of a section called fact quote or question, which I believe has a jingle.

There might go a little something like this. Fact quote or question. Yeah, I can go pretty high. Who are you threatening? You just looked over there in a threatening way. There's no one there. I did, I know. I miss Matt. I'm here.

You're pretty good. Okay. No, thank you to everyone. They just support us on the Fact Credit Question level. And what you get to do is write in your name, then also give yourself a title and then a fact, quote, a question, a brag, suggestion, a joke, a recipe, a recipe. It could be anything you like. Yep.

A comment. Do you want me to read them out this one? Yeah, go on. All right. This is usually Matt's domain. Yeah. And just like Matt, I haven't read ahead. He never reads them until he reads them.

And I haven't done that just to pay tribute to the great man. And first up we've got a fantastic Petron supporter, which they all are of course, Michaela McCray, who I just saw in Sydney earlier in the week at the time of recording. Matt and I were up there doing our stand-up shows. Michaela came along from Newcastle. It was a real effort. Yeah, huge. And then hang around afterwards. We had a be with a few people including including Michaela Who had to then take the train and bus home? Oh wow to Newcastle So it's gonna be late night, so we appreciate that and it was a Monday as well everyone. So my god Michaela

Michaela's title is Captain nostalgia. Oh, yeah It's very nice an important job and then Michaala's given a fact for us to read out. All right, here we go. Hey, gang, I recently saw the Whitelums, great seminal Aussie band, live as they are doing a nostalgia tour for the album Love This City. Tim said at the show that they only ever had one song used on a commercial. The song You Gotta Love This City, and it was used for New Castle Holden.

It always struck me as a bit funny that they used a song that was written about Sydney and that the refrain, You Gotta Love This City for its body and not its brain, was chopped off. It's a sad song about a man who was made redundant. His girlfriend breaks up with him. Basically everything falls apart. The part they use in the ad is the chorus, the words, You gotta love this city, love this city, you gotta love it, with backing vocals by Marsha Hines. Oh wow, so there's some Whitlam's knowledge for you

Hope you're having a blast over in the UK Yes, we are we are well, we're gonna we're about to get back to the UK from Dublin from right here Who Roo thanks, okay? That's very cool. And also very, very funny, Eve. You know the song, You Like This, is not the vibe that they were going for. But hey, I'm glad they took that dollar. Not the city they're talking about.

Yeah. Next up we have Kevin Ulysses-Pakrad, whose nickname is the King of Chicken Milanese Chickerees. Okay. Wondering if that will be explained? We'll find out. It's a question. Okay. So let's, let's see.

Hey gang. I'm not sure I've ever asked a question to you before, but I finally came up with one that I think will spark some interesting conversation. And my question is this. What's something you discovered later in life that you wish you had learned about earlier? I asked this because I originally started reading the book, A Love Strange Trip, which is a history of the Grateful Dead, a band I've always been intimidated by,

partly because I felt their material and lore was impenetrable to me, someone who knew next to nothing about them. That being said, I've always been interested, especially after the Tale of Two Dream Teams episode, going so far as to buy my own Lithuanian team shirt. Whoa. Something that I've been very keen to do, but the shipping from the guy who makes them, the artist, is crippling. Yeah, OK. You'd be looking at over 100, maybe it's over 100 US for a t-shirt or a lot.

Oh, shit. It's a lot. Yeah. So anyway, but it's great to support that guy. I love learning about the band and discovering all the music they have to offer from their studio stuff to the mountains of live shows out there. I'm only 23, but I still wish I had started listening earlier. Anyway, looking forward to hearing what you have to say. Cheers.

PS. The history of the Grateful Dead would make an amazing report someday, but it would probably a monster episode to tackle. Mmm. Wowsers. Kevin. King of chicken, Milanese, episode to tackle. Mmm. Wowsers. Kevin, king of chicken, Milanese, chicories. Wow. Do you have something that comes to mind that you're like, I wish I'd discovered it earlier? I think there's lots of things of like, I wish I knew how to do that earlier or I wish, you know, but I think from Kevin's example, the thing that it came to mind for me is like

finding the genre of video games I like. Oh yeah, that's right. Because I really do love getting lost in a video game, but I've probably really only, I've had a Switch for a few years, but I've probably really only got stuck into a few games in the last couple of years and like really enjoy it. And I'm like, well, I wish I'd found this sooner or I wish games had been more accessible to me and hadn't felt like such a boys club or like, I felt like I was too late to

video games to pick them up. Because now you're discovering this style of game. Are you like, they have been out there for a long time. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. But I guess there's a lot to discover then. Yeah, exactly. It's really fun. But yeah. I've just finished at a game and now I'm looking for my next game. What's it gonna be? You got anything on the shortlist? I don't know. It's so exciting. What a fun time to have. Yeah. The thing that came to me, this is gonna sound a bit silly probably, is our baked beans. Okay. I love them. Yep. But I didn't try, I always thought the concept of a baked bean in a can, disgusting. Sure. Until I was maybe 17 or 18 and my girlfriend at the time, her family ate them and I was like, oh, I better give this a try. And I was like, oh my God, I love this. I love this so much. Well, it's a mushy food. Yeah, I

love it. You'd love that. So that came to my- I feel like 17, 18 is a reasonable time. You know, you've still got so much of your life to enjoy baked beans. True. But yeah, I understand. You're like, wow, I would have loved this ages ago. Yeah, exactly. I could have loved this for years. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's one that comes to mind. I guess there are other things where I'm like, I wish I'd gotten into this earlier, like

Bitcoin. Yes, exactly. Any kind of crypto, really. Yeah. I was thinking about learning a language. I wish I'd just dedicated the time to it all these years. Absolutely. But that's not something I guess.

Yeah, I'm still on the French duolingo train, but. It's just not the time to it all these years. Absolutely. But that's not something I guess. You know, I'm still on the French duolingo train, but, um. It's just not the same. It's not, you know. I did do a couple of, a couple of terms of lessons and it helped with the very, very, very basics, but there's something that, yeah, I wish that it would have stuck a lot earlier if I'd started when I was seven. Yeah. Good.

If only your parents had thought ahead. Yeah. Oh, language for sure. It did anything. I wish I'd done anything, Kevin, to be honest with you. But it's a great question, Kevin. It's a really good question. There's things that probably does make you realise that you need to try things. Absolutely. Just start.

Exactly. Because you give it a go and if you don't like it, well, you don't have to do it. In 10 years time, you could be going, oh, yeah, I've been meaning to try that. Or it could be something that you've been doing for 10 years. You know? Just start things. Just try it. You might love it, you might not.

That's fine. Whatever. Do something else. You know what I mean? That's good advice. Inspirational. I thank you to Kevin and good luck on your Grateful Dead journey. It's also exciting when there's something, I'm a bit like that with I, the music one

that comes to mind is Nick Cave. I always felt a bit inaccessible because he's got such an incredible discography by the time I'm even aware of him being a person. And then it was only through Matt that I got into sort of exposed to anything that wasn't like sort of his top three for most famous songs. And now I love it. Yeah. And I am enjoying going back, listening to a different Bad Seeds album, listening to

a different solo album and yeah, I guess there are other artists out there that I feel intimidated by. Someone like Prince, he's got like 50 albums. I'm like, he's acclaimed as one of the most successful, best songwriters, fantastic guitarists, all this sort of stuff, but I find it a bit too intimidating to jump in. But I should just give, pick an album and just give it a go. It's a bit like, yeah, there's several TV shows I've never watched and won't watch

because I'm like, oh, it's too many seasons. Oh, that's like, oh, 10 seasons. You're like, that's over 200 episodes. I can't do that. 25 seasons. You're like, crazy anatomy. Stop. Yes, please stop. We can't keep up.

Oh, it's too much. I can never start. Who are all these secret siblings? TikTok fills me in on the majority of it, so that's all good. Great. If they could do that for everything, that'd be awesome. I it. So that's all good. Great. If they could do that for everything, that'd be awesome. I would really appreciate that. For Prince.

Yeah. Can you just summarize Prince for me? Thank you. Next up to Jesse Napa or Jesse Napah. Hopefully I'm saying one of those correctly, whose title is Jesse with an EY, which is true. Yes J-E-S-S-E-Y is on a reading here, but that's a good a good shout. Jessie has got another question and that is hi all I just wanted to say how uplifting it was when Jess was hyping up the spelling of my name in the last fact quarter question

From one just to another I appreciate it. I Was in Woolworths at the time, a supermarket that we might be talking up on an episode very, very soon. Oh my god. Or it already happened. Oh, it already happened. Okay. That we talked up several weeks ago. Yes. Oh my goodness. It was the Christmas special about Woolworths bombing. Anyway, trying my best not to look like a weirdo with a goofy smile on on my face but alas I failed. Jessie's question is, my question to you all is, I am relatively new to performing stand-up. I've been at it on and off for a bit over a year now and it's something that brings lots of joy to my life. I was wondering if you had any advice outside of the obvious, write and perform as much

as possible for a stand-up newbie. I generally get pretty good laughs at open mics when I perform in brackets not to brag. Hey we love a brag here. Love a brag. Brags are allowed here. So I feel like I'm on the right track, but I just thought I'd see if I could get any tips from the pros. Thank you. Yes. We are very professional.

As someone who hasn't done stand-up in over a year, let me tell you all that I have to give you. Yeah, I do. I kind of wish Matt was here because he is the one that performs consistently the most of us. Yes, yes. He's been consistent for 10 years plus. Yeah. And does the most gigs. But that's, I guess, part of my advice.

You can take breaks if you want to. I think. I would agree with that completely. Certainly when I was growing up, when I was starting, it was really like, you got to hustle, you got a gig, you got to eat a week and- Yeah, real open mic culture. Hey, if you want to be a comedian, this is what you have. This is the only way. And if you're not doing this, you're not a comedian. Exactly. It's like, no, you're a human being. So you're allowed to have a life outside of

stand-up comedy to then talk about stand-up comedy. Exactly. That really helps. You got to have a life. Especially if that's something you're mining for your, for your act. Absolutely. And I think, and it may be too early to say this, Jessie as well, but like, what I wish I'd thought more about was what do I want to get out of this? Is it just to enjoy it?

Fuck yeah. Do that. I think you can get a bit swept up in other people's goals and other people's ambitions or where they're heading to. And you can end up doing a podcast for 10 years that you never wanted to do. That's happened to some people we know. I've heard of people that's happened to. No, no, no, no, no.

That's a joke. But what I was saying is true. Think about what you want to get out of it. If you're like, I'd really like to write on a TV show, then work towards that. You want to just do a festival show every year or something. Fuck yeah, do that. If you want to be one of the biggest standups of Australian history, you got some work to do.

Yeah. I mean, you can give it a go. You can absolutely do it. But there's not only one way to get there. Yeah, exactly. As a, just piggybacking off your joke there, the opposite way I feel is that you can also, by doing standup comedy way I feel is that you can also, by doing stand-up comedy, get into things

that you probably didn't consider that you would do and then be happy that it sort of happened along with, like a podcast or often like writing a TV show, there are ways to get into that, but there's also, you meet someone and they go, hey, you're very funny, do you wanna do this? Or I would say collaboration is another thing. Yeah, huge.

Especially if you wanna meet people, work with other people and work out how they think and maybe like this is a great way to learn about comedy from other's perspectives. Collaborate, maybe do a split show, maybe launch a podcast, do a quiz show, do all sorts of make some TikTok videos together, write some sketches. You learn together and then other people often will see that and then they start asking you to do things. Yeah. And then you learn from them and it just becomes this thing and it's often is, and it's not

what, you know, who you know, that does help a lot. Yeah, absolutely. And it just, yeah, helps give you a different perspective. And be open to trying things. Trying things and going back to what you said at the start, there's not just one way to do things. Yeah. A lot of people will tell you, hey, this is the only way to do it.

And often they're not even professional yet. Yeah. And they're telling you, hey, you have to do this. They've been doing it for 15 years, but they're still at the same open mics you are every week. This is what you have to do. You have to do this many open mics. Then you have to try and do this thing with a comedy festival.

Then you have to do your first solo show, but only when you're ready, because you need to win an award. Exactly. And if you don't win an award, then you'll never get to do the comedy festival road show. And then you'll never get to tour to Edinburgh. And then you'll never win an award, then you'll never get to do the Comedy Festival Roadshow. And then you'll never get to tour to Edinburgh. And then you'll never win an award. It's like there's so many- That was genuinely such a thing with like, don't do your first solo too early because

then you won't get nominated for Best Newcomer. And it's like, okay, who was nominated for Best Newcomer last year? I don't know. Yeah, I'm not sure. This year, I don't remember. Yeah. And it's obviously, it's a lovely pat on the back. A lovely award to get that. It's amazing. I'm not shitting on that. But it's just like, I know, I agree. There's 500 shows

in the festival. Yeah. And there's only one best newcomer every year. If you're ready and you want to do it, just do it. Doesn't matter. Exactly. And it'll be a great experience in other ways. If you do your, if you do a solo show or a split show or whatever it is, whatever you want to do, if that's what you want to do. So yeah, basically there's no set way and don't feel bad if you have to take breaks. Yeah. Just be a person. It's great that you're enjoying it. So keep enjoying it. Yeah, that's awesome. And if you're not enjoying it, you can take a break. Absolutely. Come back to it. Go do something slightly different. You'll meet some great people, but also it doesn't have to be your whole life.

You'll meet some fucking terrible people too. You'll meet some absolute duds and you'll be stuck doing a podcast with them for 10 years. So we've heard- So we've heard. So we've heard. I've heard of that happening. Maybe that's happening. Dumb dumb. You know, definitely not us.

Thank you, Jesse, and good luck with all the gigs. Hopefully we might see you out there one day. Yeah. And next up, finally, we've got Nick Verderosa, who is, given the title, official Yankee Doodle Dandy of the pod. Okay. Well, we needed a Yankee Doodle Dandy. Remember just last week I was saying to you, Dave, we need to get a Yankee Doodle Dandy of the board. Okay. Well, we needed a Yankee Doodle Dandy. Remember just last week I was saying to you, Dave, we need to get a Yankee Doodle Dandy.

Oh my goodness. We, that position has been open for too long. Too long. And now- Glad to have you. And now official Yankee Doodle Dandy, which is hard to say, has given us a suggestion, which we love. Okay.

I hope it's constructive. Yeah. Go fuck yourself. Just a suggestion. This is, go fuck yourself. Just a suggestion. This is this is great. When you make your way to the USA, I highly su- I highly suggest you stopping by the pizza capital of the US. OK. Which is, have a guess. Pizzatown.

That would be great. It's New Haven, Connecticut. Ah. Do not let New York, New Joyzee or even Chicago try to trick you. Pepe's or Peppy's, Sally's, Bar and dozens of other pizza parlors located around New Haven have the best pizza or as they call it, a pizza. The best pizza. The best pizza in the country. I don't know.

I frequented Joe's Pizza quite a lot in New York. They finished by saying, I'm partial to Sally's, but Peppy's White Clam Pizza is a fan favourite. Seafood Pizza. Nick, you're doing the opposite of a sell to me at this point. I'm not onto it either. A White Clam Pizza. I'm sure there's some others. How about just a cheese pizza, Nick?

Have they got that? Or have they got a cheese and I've put a baby goat on it pizza? Have they drained the ocean to put it into my pizza, Nick? It's actually called Sally's a pizza. That's incredible. That's awesome. Um, I'm looking forward to, to giving that a try in Connecticut. Okay.

Hey, we'll have to put on the list and we really appreciate any suggestion like that. I love pizza, Nick. I love pizza. Again, the white clam thing, you put me off, but... Hey, don't worry, we'll give you a second chance. So thank you to Nick, Jesse, Kevin and Michaela. The next thing we'd like to do is thank a few of our Patreon supporters by name and often location, if they've told us where they are. And if we don't know, that's because they haven't told us. Yeah. And you can always check on pagerun.com if you want to make sure your address is up to date for the annual Christmas card, which we cut off the 1st of November.

And these people, we usually like to give them a bit of a nickname. We play a bit of a game that you come up with, Jess. Yeah. Keeping in mind, yeah. What do you think? This guy was a murderer, obviously, but also Wimbledon, like a tennis player. Yeah, finalist. Finalist. Pretty impressive. So I was thinking, obviously they're all murderers, but like, what are their day jobs? Oh, what are their-

Their slash. Their slashers. Yes, slash. Slash. Yeah, perfect. Could be a day job, could be a passion. Okay, great. Love it. But yeah, it's like, what's their title? Obviously they're all killers. We know they're all killers. What? Perfect. Could be a day job, could be a passion. Okay, great. Love it. But yeah, it's like, what's their title? Yeah, obviously they're all killers.

We know they're all killers. What are they writing on a customs form? Yeah, that's right. You're not going to write murderer. No. That would be weird. That would probably flag you. Raise a few flags.

Exactly. Okay. Do you want to, we'll take turns? Yeah, perfect. Okay, great. I'll kick things off. Firstly, we would love to thank thank from, oh, address unknown. Okay.

So we can only assume deep within the fortress of the moles, please welcome Autry. Autry. I don't know why I said please welcome, but please welcome to the shout outs. Okay, Autry. Autry, murderer slash botanist. Oh really? That's good. Yeah.

And all people ever want to ask Autry about is the murder. Yeah. Hey. It's like, what about my botany? Yeah. Huh? You know? I've got layers.

I've got dimensions. I am, I contain multitudes. Yes. Hey, I might've killed several people. Sure. I've also killed a lot of plants. Yes. Yes.

And I've learned a lot about succulents along the way. That was pretty good stuff. Thank you, Autry. Next up, I would like to thank, from Markham in Illinois, in the USA, it's Nick Rozpapa. Oh, Nick Rozpapa. Nick Rozpapa is a murderer slash sea captain. Oh, yeah That's how you did it. Yeah, honestly, it's really good way to suppose the bodies

Yeah, but um, but also they mostly they will CCTV on the boat. Oops. Yeah live feed to the other Yeah, you can't really throw the CCTV if it's live into the ocean You can't so that's how Nick got but Nick's also a great captain. Great captain the people he's not killing You're looking after really really well. Yeah yeah. Making sure that everyone's safe. So, you know. Safety standards are always absolutely seen to. That's right. So Nick? And? He probably cleans up really nicely after the murder. Exactly. He's probably killed lots but probably saved lives as well. Yeah, that's right. They don't ever factor that in. Next up from Brisbane here in Queensland, Ben.

Ben. Ben is a murderer slash air conditioner repairman. Oh really? My goodness, Matt Stewart might have come across. Yeah, probably. Yeah, it's probably why Ben listens to the podcast. Probably Matt mentioned it and- Just starting this podcast actually.

That's why I'm leaving. I'm going to go be a big podcast star. And Ben was like, all right, bud. And we're still trying to prove Ben wrong. Obviously during summer, it's a busy time for an air conditioner repair. But in winter, that's the off season. That's when you get your murdering done. That's right.

Air conditioning and murdering, they're seasonal jobs. Okay? And so it's just smart. keep yourself busy the whole time. Definitely. Why are we defending all the murderers? It's an interesting thing that we've fallen into is sort of justifying it. Because I think we just naturally like our Patreon supporters. Oh, speak for yourself.

Yeah, I testify for these people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They've supported us for a long time. I'll be on the stand there going, Ben, great bloke. Okay. I'm going to remember that for when I commit the crime. Hey, I would like to thank from Strathalbyn. Strathalbyn, surely. Strathalbyn. Strathalbyn. Strathalbyn. Maybe. It's in South Australia. I actually haven't heard of it, but I have heard of Amber Budden. Amber Budden. What's Amber? Murderer slash... Murderer slash, and you're never gonna believe this, this is the perfect cover for a murderer, a chainsaw sharpener.

Chainsaw sharpener? So you like, you obviously, you've blunted your saw. Yeah, of course. I'm gonna throw it out. I'll take it to Amber, get it back. Do you not just replace the saw bit? You sharpen them. You gotta sharpen the chain. Wow.

And Amber does that and obviously puts them to whatever use that they see fit. I'm not defending Amber's extracurricular activities, but I have, I will say, I've had my chainsaw sharpened by Amber and it was very, very sharp. Wow. Yeah. A little too sharp? Yeah, a little bit of blood was on there actually.

Okay. Very interesting. But I assume that Amber just cut themselves, you know. I've looked up the town. It's like an hour east, southeast of Adelaide. Ah, great. So it looks like a gorgeous, gorgeous part of the world. Beautiful Amber. Kind of near like Lake Alexandrina. Hope to see you at the Adelaide Fringe Festival.

Myself and Sam Peterson doing our show. Dave Warnocky dates the entire audience coming up in March. Awesome. I didn't know you were going to do that in Adelaide. That's great. Yes that's I think where we're premiering it which should be good fun. Yeah Four Nights at the the Rhino Room. Oh great great. Yeah, that'll be really fun. That'll be really, really good. Well, thank you to Amber. I would like to also shout out and thank from Rotorua in New Zealand. It's Lisa M.

Lisa M. OK. Now, obviously, headline. They'd call Lisa a murderer. Sure. But you know Lisa properly. Okay. Now, obviously headline. They'd call Lisa a murderer. Sure. But you know Lisa properly. Yes. What are they known for? Lisa is obviously a murderer, but more importantly, a barista. Oh, great. Everyone needs a good barista. Oh, my God. And Lisa's one of the best, honestly.

If the coffee is good enough, you are willing to forgive a lot. I would drive past eight other cafes to get to Lisa. Because I'm like, well, fuck, you know, I'm a one coffee a day kind of gal most of the time. You don't want to waste your one shot. I'm pushing if I'm going to two. So I want it to be good. Yeah.

I want to enjoy it. It's one of few joys I have in my life. I just, I wish that was a joke. But if a doctor ever said, you've got to cut out coffee completely, I'd be like, doc, let's discuss other options. How do we end this? Yeah, surely there's something else for this. I'm okay.

I'm happy for you to amputate the leg. Let it go. And they're like, this has nothing to do with your leg. And I'm like, take it anyway. Take the other arm. What do you want? What do you want? What do you need for me to satisfy you that I can keep drinking coffees?

It's my only joy. Lisa M. Thank you so much. Thank you, Lisa. I would like to thank from another location that is unknown to us, I can only assume it's deeper than the fortress of the moles. And this is two letters, both capitals, CS. CS Lewis, of course.

Oh my goodness. From the dead to support us. Thank you, CS. Or maybe it's like the, you know, the trust fund of the family trust. That'd be huge. Obviously, still sell heaps. Massive. So thank you, CS.

CS is a murderer. Crime suspect. CS. Oh my gosh. Yes, you're on fire. I'm actually doing really well today. That's really, really good. Well suspect. CS. Oh my gosh, yes, you're on fire. I'm actually doing really well today. That's really, really good. Well fine then, what are they?

They're a murderer slash? Slash. I keep just looking around the room. Okay, well let me think. No, these are my turn. They're a sky rider. Sky rider. One of the best in the biz.

Absolutely amazing. One of the best in the biz. And again, great way to dispose bodies out the plane. Oh, great. Yeah. No one will ever look on the ground. Who's looking on the ground? For bodies.

See, yes, hey, if I could write a message to you in the sky right now, I would say, thank you. For the bodies? Oh, for the patron. Oh, that makes way more sense. Next up, I would love to thank from Chinchilla in Queensland. Oh my God. That's how you have to say it.

The killer from Chinchilla. Queensland. Oh my god. That's how you have to say it. The killer from Chinchilla. Fuck me dead. Sorry for my language, but that was worth a fuck me dead. From Chinchilla, I'd love to please thank Aaron Sells, the killer from Chinchilla. That is awesome. That is fun. Jazz singer. Oh, that's nice. So it all jazz singer. Oh, that's nice.

So it all really works. Yeah, that's great. And when Aaron gets out of prison, um, his next jazz album is going to be called Killer from Chinchilla. It's a bit like an OJ Simpson thing of like, if I did it, kind of thing. Aaron's just leaning in and people love him for it. Aaron, I can't wait to hear you sing. Beautiful voice, I'm sure.

for it. Aaron, I can't wait to hear you sing. Beautiful voice, I'm sure. I would like to thank from Enfield in Great Britain, it's Talia Hassan or Talia Hassan. Talia is, of course, obviously, as the pattern goes and as we know of Talia, a murderer. A murderer. But also a deep sea fisherman. Whoa! Deep sea. Deep sea. How deep sea fisherman. Whoa. Deep sea.

Deep sea. How deep? Like really deep. 20 feet? Way deeper. The fuck? 20,000 feet. No, Dave. OK, fine. Not really. The water doesn't get that deep. Not that deep, but 2,000 feet.

Whoa. Like off an oil rig with a big pole. Shit. With a really big pole. Just go on a fishing rod. Fishing rod, one fish at a time. No, like none of this net stuff or... Wow!

And also, being so deep, it is also, again, great for the disposal of the bodies. True. Sleeping with the fishes. But lots of fish have been caught by Tyler as well. Yeah. And those fish feed people and keep them alive. So I'm just saying. One out, many in.

Exactly. The good could outweigh the do. The good do outweigh the bad. The could outweigh the do. Your Honor, here are some of my kids. Your Honor, what do you say we break for lunch? I think we can all agree I've nailed it. Talia, good luck out there.

Good luck with that fucking lawyer you've got. He's terrible. I'm going to go and get some food. I'm going to go and get some food. I'm going to go and get some food. I'm going to go and get some food. I'm going to go and get some food. I'm going to go and get some food. I'm going to go and get some food. I'm going to go and get some food. I'm going to go and get some food. I'm going to go and get some food. I think we can all agree I've nailed it. Talia, good luck out there.

Good luck with that fucking lawyer you've got. He's terrible. Finally, bringing it all home from Johnston in IA. What's IA? Indiana? Oh my god, let me look that for you. It's Iowa. I was going to say, oh, damn it.

Johnston in Iowa, please thank Ali. Ali. Ali, of course, murderer. But on the on the side, she operates a ski lift at a chalet. Oh, hey, we all know Iowa is known for. Yes. Very chalet heavy. Chalet heavy state. The chalet state, I think is what it says on their number plates. If I'm not mistaken, which I really am.

So thank you to all of our favourite murderers, Ali, Talia, Aaron, CS, Lisa, Amber, Ben, Nikki and Autry. And, Dave, there's one final thing we need to do. That is see if we're going to induct anyone into the Triptych Club this week. This is our theater of the mind, our hall of fame where people who have been supporting the show on the shout out level or above are welcomed into the clubhouse. They're cheered on by the former members, which is like over a thousand or something at this stage. Yep.

And you're treated to food, drink, music, live entertainment, Yeah. activities, social events. Yep. There's an air hockey table. Don't touch it, but anything else you can have. It's fun. It's got everything you need.

It's fun. We've got toilets. We've got toilets. We've got. And Dave. Toilets multiple. Exciting news for you. There are five inductees and I would like to take on the role of Matt Stewart, which

is reading them off the clipboard, lifting the velvet rope. Love that. Welcoming them in while you stand on stage. You hype them up. I hype you up. We don't have Matt this week being a real sad sack about your weak wordplay. Honestly, I could just really cruise here, couldn't I? You could have a great time. You also book a band, Dave.

Have you booked a band? Yes, I have booked an Irish band, you're never going to believe it. We were just there. We've teleported from Dublin and we are being joined by the Dubliners. Oh my God. What a get. Irish folk band legends. Huge. Absolutely huge. Oh my goodness. Every single past member has their own Wiki page. That's, you know, they're big.

They are big. Yep. That's good stuff. I'm behind the bar as well. Obviously we've got Guinness on tap. Uh, I've got Irish whiskey. I have got, um, Irish stew ready to go. Got some soda bread.

Oh, oh my goodness. Got everything you could need. We had some great food, um, in Dublin before we teleported back here. We went out together. I had a lovely pie. You had a- you did have a stew. I had a veggie stew and it was fucking delicious. I had a mini Guinness because I was the designated driver that night.

Yep. Was I? I didn't think I even drove home. I think I drove there. Yeah, I think Matt ended up driving home, which is pretty funny. I was the designated- even though I. I think I drove there. Yeah, that ended up driving That I had the half-pine and he had the full part, but anyway, it was over and I just had a soft drink Yeah, you driving but there was no it was it was the one drink and then obviously we ate and it was a long time So don't anyone to be worried about it. It's just funny that I was like, oh just in case I go to drive

I'll just have a half. I always am very very very cautious in this pretty funny Oh, just in case I go to drive. I'll just have a half point. I always am very, very, very cautious in this. It's pretty funny. Um, okay. Ready? Are we ready to welcome some people in? Let's get them in, baby! All right.

First up from Austin, but not the Texan one in California. Please welcome in Alex Hill. I gotta tell you, there's only one hill I'll die on and that's Alex Hill. You're gonna die on Alex Hill? I'll die for you. For you. What were you doing to Alex Hill? I'll die for you. For you. What were you doing to Alex Hill before you died on them? Stop asking questions.

Woo! Woo! That's right, that's the kind of shit that Matt would pull. Next up from Inverness in Great Britain, I'm gonna guess that's probably Scotland, Jordan Taylor. Jordan Taylor, they'll never failure. Oh! Woo-woo-woo!

From Brookline, Massachusetts. Is that Massachusetts? Yeah, let's assume so. I'll double check. It is Eric Romo. I was getting Eric Fomo until I met Eric Romo. Because everyone else who had met Eric was like, you got to meet him. It was Massachusetts.

Yes. From Hallie in, oh, B.E. This is Belgium, is it? Is it Belgium? Is this true? It's in Belgium. Bally in, oh, B-E. Buh, buh. This is Belgium, is it? Is it Belgium? Is this true? It's in Belgium. That's awesome.

Well, please welcome in Alison M. Alison M, the M stands for my favourite person from Belgium. Wow. I don't mean it. Poirot? Alison. Fuck. You like Alison more than Poirot.

Yeah, Poirot 2, Tintin 3. Oh, Alison. Honestly, obviously welcome into the Triptych Club Fuck. You like Alison more than Poirot. Poirot 2, Tintin 3. Alison, honestly, obviously welcome into the Triptych Club and thank you so much, but you should be so flattered by what Dave just said. And finally, bringing it home, I would love to thank from Menasha in Wisconsin. That is a guess. Sam Dymel. Dymel. Dymel. Dymel. OK, I just need to know what you're going to say. You're going to go with it. Sam, I... Die Mel. Die Mel. Die Mel. Die Mel. Okay, I just need to know what you're going to say.

Sam, you make me never want to die Mel. Never want to die Mel. You know, you give me a reason to live. I live for you Sam. I'm not dying Mel. Who's Mel? Who knows? Who the hell is Mel?

Thank you so much, Sam, Alison, Eric, Jordan and Alex. We love you and thank you. You can go and enjoy the Dubliners. Thank you to everybody for listening. We had a really fun time. There's going to be, if you enjoy the live episodes, there's another one coming out either next week or the week after. And then we still have a couple more from this European tour that will be coming

out later on, you know, in the next few months, probably. Yeah, that's right. We spread them out a little bit. Spreading them a little. But I guess that brings us to the end of the show. I just want to say that I love you all, that you can find us on social media, do go on pod, do go on pod.com is our website and suggest a topic. If you come across something, you read a fun article, you see a YouTube video, you go,

this could be a bit of fun. You end up in a Wikipedia rabbit hole and you go, this will be a fun topic. Send it our way, baby. There's a link in the show notes and on our website, which again is Dougo on Pod.com. Now Davey boy, boot this baby home. Thank you again for joining us for this section of the podcast. And until next time, also, thank you so much and goodbye. Ladies!

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