Do Go On - 49 - Charles Manson

Episode Date: September 28, 2016

This week, we go all creepy and murdery and look at the life of Charles Manson and his murderous cult The Manson Family. 'How can you make that topic funny?' we hear you ask! We can't! Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPod Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Melbourne and Canada, we got exciting news for you. And we should also say this is 2026. Jess, what year is it? 2026. Thank God you're here. Right now, I'm in Melbourne doing my show with Serengy Amarna, 630 each night at the Cooper's Inn Hotel, having so much fun. We'd love to see you there. Canada, we are visiting you in September this year.

If you've somehow missed the news, we are heading up Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal and Toronto for shows. That's going to be so much fun. Tickets for all this stuff, I believe, are online. And I'm here too. Hello and welcome to Do Go On. This is the show where we talk about a thing and then we all chat about it as well. I wish.

I actually am starting to miss Dave. Yeah. He's very good at the opening bit. I mean, you're doing better, but he is much better at it. It's my right-hand man. It's Jess Perkins. Hello, Matt Stewart. You didn't choose yourself either.

Hi, Matt Stewart. Jeez, Louise, this is a tricky gig. He's really, he's mixed. To be honest, I'm playing it up. I'm playing it up, like, just to make Dave, if he's out there listening, I just wanted him to think that we miss him. I haven't noticed. I'm right here, guys.

Hiding underneath the table the whole time. Yes, the man with a golden tonsils, as I describe myself, is back, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to DoGo on. I'm going to start the intro again because of Matt's effort there. The man with the golden tonsils is peeking the audio there. It's going to be too enthusiastic. Well, the man with the golden tonsils was. just playing with what he thought was a piece of blue tech on the table,

but then mint started coming out of it, and I realised that it's someone's discarded chewing gum. Ew. Oh, God. Really? Yeah, that's right there. I feel like... That's a brand new table.

I was going to say, this table hasn't been here very long at all. It's the brand new studio. Usually it's accustomed for people to put the gum under the table if they have to dispose of it, but on the table so that I can play with. The only people have been in here so far, Dave Callan, his sensei and auntie Donna. Oh, I was going to Auntie Donna for sure.

Interesting. Interestingly, we went different routes there. But okay. Hey, Dave, welcome back. Oh, thank you guys. It's so good to be back after my... Yeah, how was school? Yeah.

Do you want anything? Oh, sorry. Hale, Warnockie. Well, I did listen to the episodes that were recorded while I was away. And let me tell you that I was in no way at any of the Nazi camps that were mentioned about six or seven hundred times in the last episode. I was driving my car going, no. No. No.

Not Nazi camps. Nazi university. There's a difference, Dave. Oh, I said no Nazi-based institutions. Okay. Okay, well, that's fine. I mean... Great or disagree.

You don't have anything to prove that, but, okay. Well, I've got many photos of me with pies all around Europe. Yeah, you've got your priorities, right. That's right. I love it. It is good to be back. Have you been well without the Golden Tunnels? Well, stop calling yourself.

It hasn't been the same. It's been nice, though, because we have had a couple of guests come on, which has been very nicer than to come and come and hang out with us. And people have really enjoyed their presence. I don't know how that makes you feel. Depressing. I have had Broden Kelly and Nick Mason killed. So they will not be coming back.

Fair enough. That means there's an opening in Auntie Donna. Now it's Perkins time to shine. I know all their sketches. I've also killed the other two members of Auntie Duna just so that there's no possible way that they could replace me in the future. Smart. Wow.

All right. Smart play. You've got a strike first. Yeah, okay. We need to talk about that after the show maybe, but I'm a little bit worried about you now. But I did have a bit of time, obviously, a way to think about my actions in the last episode I recorded. I talked about River Dance. Oh, my goodness.

Don't bring up that. Totally. I mean... You broke Jess's heart. It's in the past. But you, Jess, I don't think you've mentioned that you actually saw River Dance since that last episode. I haven't actually talked about that. No.

I did say it, and it was amazing. And I was sitting in the theatre and I was like, all right, here we go, whatever, I've seen this before, no big deal. And I think you'd gotten in my head. I was like, this is pretty lame. Like, what is going on here? And then the lights went down and the music started like on a little bit teary. I was like, no, it's still magical.

It was great. I really enjoyed it. So you cried at the start? Yeah. Always a hallmark of a high piece of art. Normally people don't cry until they realize that they've paid money to see. Dancing, which normally happens after it starts. Yeah.

Nah, that's a joke. I'm not Warnocki, I guess. I'm just going to say completely silent. Smart decision. I regret everything I see on that episode. Good thing is, I don't think you can really tease me for my topic today. Great. Do you know what I mean?

You're not passionately? No. Not passionate about this topic? I'm not passionate about this topic. It's fascinating. Is it from the hat? It is from the hat. That gets you excited mouth.

Of course it does. The hat is so full. We need to work through that. I don't remember the time we haven't. Oh, Riverdance wasn't in the hat. But apart from that, recently. Plainspotting wasn't. Okay.

That's two of the last three. No, never mind. Sorry. Yep. Stupid. Perkins, stupid point. But I mean, we didn't allow Broden to put his hand in the hat. No, you can't see the hat.

No, he can't see. I don't know where his hands have been. Dirty boy. He's a dirty boy. He's a dirty boy. He's a dirty boy. But my hands do smell minty fresh, everyone. It's a, it's quite a balance.

Between disgusting and beautiful. It really does look like blue tack, though. It does. It does. I reckon it is. Yeah, I'm not convinced it. Minty blue tack. Is that a thing?

That can be a thing. Sure is. Hey, so Dave, I don't know if, you might be a bit rusty, but we normally kick off the show with a bit of a question. Oh. By the report writer, and that's going to have something to do with the topic at hand. Yeah. And then you and I will deliberate, we'll answer. I'll probably get it right.

And you'll probably fumble about like a little Nazi fool. Hang on. Go on, no, do go on. And then we'll get cracking on the show. That's how it works. You have been away a couple of weeks, so it's good to have you back. It's good to be back. I feel calmer in your presence.

Yeah, I feel like, you know, the captain of the ship is back. Yeah. The Titanic. Dad's back, is what I'm saying. Dad's back. Dad's back. But does this dad have golden tonsils? Yes.

Thank you. Thank you very much. Golden tonsil boy. Little golden boy. Golden boy. Tonsal dad. Reporting for duty as your captain. I imagine the captain came in reporting for duty.

Everyone's like, no. You don't have to report. We report to you. Well, very well. Very good. I didn't write a question. Oh, okay. Great.

Well, you could have used that fluff time there that Matt and who created. I could have, yes. But instead I thought, no, I'm going to be honest with our listeners because they're our friends. And I will. I lie to the listeners. I will be honest and say I, uh, this one's been put together rather frantic and recently. So a little change, a little change up.

Yeah, normally I really put so much effort in. But you know what's interesting is that nobody ever like corrects us? And I don't mean to invite that. Don't. But I would have thought considering... It is surprising that we've never had even like we've only ever had one person complain that you got a date wrong about the Beatles early on. Apart from that.

49 episodes. People, I honestly thought that we would get every week about 10 people going, Well, actually, it was October the 7th, not the 8th? Well, actually, it was this person. Well, you know why that is, though. It's because we're bloody bang on every time. Yeah, that's right, exactly. We are inviting it now, aren't we?

I think our listeners are just on board with the fact that we're just like telling a story-ish. Yeah, that's right. We don't claim to be a professor in the field. No, I'm not like, don't use this for you. I mean, you are a professor of podcasting, aren't you? Yeah, doctor. Doctor of podcasting. So, well, if I do my time, I could work my way up.

To be a professor. I would have thought, is professor above doctor? Oh, definitely. Really? Yeah, at a university. You become associate professor and then you become full professor. Oh, hello. Wow's.

And when do you become a doctor at university? Once you've done your doctor, which you do before you're a professor, I understand. But then after a professor, you become a mister. No, that's not true. You know what the surgeon. And then you become a master. Then you become a pilot. And you become a small child.

Benjamin Button style. And the cycle starts again. I was a pilot in my teen years. I was just working backwards in my... Yeah, yeah. It's the circle of tertiary education. Anyway, the question, gentlemen, is who is the creepiest man in American history?

H.H. Holmes. No, we've already done him. Michael Jackson. No, no. The creepiest. Thinking more along... Are they a serial killer? Because we'd get a lot of serial killer suggestions.

Oh, no. The Zodiac Killer? I just realized I was nodding on a podcast. It's actually very disturbing how many people tweet in saying, do more serial killer episodes. Like, I'd say probably 20 different people who requested serial killer topics. I agree that that's disturbing. But then I was like, yes, because this is a topic I wrote down when we started this podcast

that I wanted to do. And I was like, it's a bit dark. I don't know if I can do it. And then somebody's put it in the hat. I'm like, well, you know, to give the people what they want. It's not the Zodiac Killer. Is it? Let's think of the famous one.

John Wayne Gacy. No. I'm out. Thinking a little bit culty as well. Colty. Oh, the gold. Oh, Charles Manson. Boom.

He's got your swastikas on his head, doesn't he? Mm-hmm. Tattooed on his head. Yeah, that's just like Davy Warnocky. I do not have a swastika tattooed anywhere in my body. It's on his butt. It's not on my butt. It's in his butt.

It's in his butt. And they get tattoos as cute things like zebras. That's it. Yeah, it's a bit cute. Nazi zebras. Nazi zebras. Manson. Wow.

Charles Manson. I've always been a little bit fascinated by Charles Manson. I mean, I think a lot of people are. It's sort of like a lot of serial killers. No, I must admit that I am fascinated by serial killers, but then I lie awake at and not going, why did I read that entire Wiki article? Exactly. And any type of, and just this one's so interesting because he created this cult following.

And you just, I'm always so fascinated with how somebody can have that level of charm and convince people to sort of believe them and follow them and do awful things for them. I think it just comes naturally to some people. For example, the man with the golden tonsils. I would not kill anybody for you. Really? What if they were harming me? Oh, they're harming you.

Thank you. Good. I'd defend you because you'd need it. Damn's a little distress. Matt, what's the scenario? Somebody's trying to hurt him. I just said, can you kill for me? No.

Probably not. Oh, well, I mean, have I had some drinks? Yeah. You've had a couple of beers on the footy. Are you ready? I'm very suggestible after a few drinks. Are you paying? paying him because Matt and I are both quite broke at the moment.

Super poor. So is there money up for grabs or old money bags, golden tonsils over there? Are you advertising your services as a hit man? No, I'm just asking for more context in the situation where you're asking us to murder for you. I don't think you're not really a cult leader. You have to pay. That's the difference, I think. If you don't have to pay, you're a cult leader.

I'm not following you in a cult. Yeah, I'm so sorry, Dave. You are no Charles Manson. Sorry, buddy. Well, in many ways, I'm disappointed. I don't think you should be This one was suggested by Corey Cavender

at Caveman Curry on Twitter So thanks to Corey Caveman Curry That sounds delicious That's isn't it? Cavender I'm sorry if I said that wrong Corey So thank you for suggesting

Thank you Corey you're sick bastard Thank you Corey No it's awesome Because like I said This is one of the first things I wrote down in my little notes So when we invited you to be part of the podcast You instantly thought

Charles Manson Not An excuse to research him I wasn't like Oh this is I got a message from Matt Stewart. What's this? A podcast. Charles Manson.

No, it wasn't quite that quick. But is it like a passion for you like river dances? No. No. It's not a passion. You did. Your first topic was the Beatles, right? Yes.

And this is a little, it's like some little Beatles. Yeah. Which I wasn't actually fully aware of. I'd heard bits, but it's interesting that it does sort of tie in. So yeah, there you go. Beatles kind of ties in with everything. That's true. But also what about the Beach Boys?

The Beach Boys, yes. The Beach Boys are mentioned. Very cool. There's a, he, oh, it's a, he's a strange and terrifying person. So, um, this one's going to be nice and light and super fun. Great. Good luck finding some comedy in this one, boys, but it's not my fault. I'm the presenter.

Corey's fault. Thanks, Corey. Bye. Um, Kay Van Garry. So I'll start with a little bit of, of a backstory of Charles Manson. Maybe we can have a look into, you know, the psychology of this person. I'm sure. I think you're about to tell us he had a great childhood.

I'm confident. Yeah, that's what's weird. He had like heaps of siblings. and they all had a great time. He had an excellent education, loving parents. I'm lying, Dave. You cannot pick sarcasm sometimes. Is any of that true?

Your little face is just like, blah. But why would they lie? None of that is true. So he was born in 1934 to an unmarried 16-year-old named Kathleen Maddox in Ohio, where a lot of our listeners are from. Most of our listeners are from. Shout out to Ohio. Hi, Ohio.

We're all the great serial killers of history of been born. Just if any of you were also born at the General Hospital in Cincinnati, congrats. You're in the same hospital as Charles Manson, so add that to your resume. Imagine if you put that on the resume in brackets. Charlie Manson was born here. No big deal. Whatever.

Pretty cool. I should be the CEO of your company. Did people call him Charlie Manson? Have you just given him a cute nickname? Well, Dave tends to sympathize with his kind of people. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. People jokingly do call him Charlie Manson.

Right. Not jokingly. If your name's Charles, I'm sure you're going to get called Charlie. It's a very good joke. It's like how I get called Jess. Hilarious. Oh, that is good. My name's Jessica.

If you were a scary... If you were a scary person, it might be a little funnier. Oh, okay. So Charlie's kind of endearing. Context is all. Okay, no, fair enough. But originally, though, he was named no name of Maddox. He wasn't named for a while.

Oh. Is that the default note? No name. I don't know. Well, I don't think she wrote down on his birth certificate. No name. name, but he was, they would have, in the hospital, they probably would just call them baby Maddox or no name or something, you know, anyway.

And within a few weeks, he was named Charles Miles Maddox. Maddox is a nice name. Maddox is cool. One of the Branjolinas kids. Ah, yes, very good. Oh, topical. That's right. Bloody, I tell you what, if they can't make it work, none of us can.

Hey? Going to stay single and lonely forever, I'll tell you that for sure. It's the only way to do that. No. You're going to start telling relatives at family gathering? Yeah. So you're still single, Jess? Brenelaine didn't work out, so yes.

Yeah. Like, yes, Auntie Rose. Of course I am. God, stop asking. How about you just assume and I'll tell you when it's not the case? Now, for a period after Charles's birth, his mother was married to a labourer named William Manson. So that's where he got his surname Manson. His biological father, it's kind of disputed.

that it appears to be Colonel Walker Scott. But again, he never knew his biological father and there's been like arguments as to who his real father was. So we're not 100% sure. I feel like Colonel Walker Scott probably would have said, no, it wasn't me.

It wasn't me. Because he's like shaggy. But if he'd become a billionaire, he probably would have said he was my son. Yeah, he's mine. Yeah, he's mine. That's my boy. That's funny.

That's funny. I mean, I think most fatherless children either go one way or the other. Billionaire, serial killer? Yeah. Yeah, that's usually the case. That is true. Is that a fact? That is 100% fact.

Okay. So like the dispute about his father, there's a lot of his early life that we don't have a lot of answers for because of the varying stories that he's offered in interviews over the years. So nobody really knows exactly. what his sort of situation was. His mother was allegedly a heavy drinker, and based on, like, you know, future things that sort of happened, that kind of makes sense. But, no, just because, like, he spent a lot of time in foster care

and in that of juvenile hall and stuff like that. So she wasn't great. She wasn't a great mum. Because apparently, once she sold her son for a picture of beer to a childless waitress. A picture of beer. Picture. A disableness.

morning with that be. I'll trade him for that beer, all right. It brings it over. Oh, it's a photo. Not again. Not again. Got to have another one. Every time. For a jug of beer, Matthew. What happened to the, did he stay with the waitress? No, his uncle had to go and get him a few days later. But he still stayed with the waitress for a few days. Because mum was like, free beer, you're all right? Mum's at home going, good trade. Good trade. Worth it. Do that again a second. Beer never nags me. So it's pretty bad. So his mother and her brother. were sentenced to five years imprisonment for robbing a service station in West Virginia in 1939 by brandishing a ketchup bottle.

Stand back or I'll squirt. It's a squeezy bottle. It's not even glass. Amazing. Oh no, I'm wearing white. No. I've got to go to work after this. I'm already at work.

I'm working at a service station. So they went to, they were... Five years is a bit much. Like, surely the judge would laugh that one out of court. Is that rubbing? Well, if they got away with stuff. Who knows? They may have had other weapons, but they certainly had a ketchup bottle.

I think in this situation, the least, the less you know, the better. They forgot to mention that she was holding a hand grenade. Yeah, as well. A hand grenade. Which hand grenade at a petrol station is a pretty dangerous combo, man. Yeah, Matt. Add sauce in there. That is a good point.

I like to think that maybe she ordered a meat pie and then they asked her to pay for sauce, and that was a little too much. No, fair enough. She grabbed her own bottle off the shelf. I hate paying for sauce. It's ridiculous. Bloody bullshit. But I mean, why is that bullshit?

It's like you pay for everything else. But it should come with the sauce. So it should just be facted in. I really thought you'd be on side here. Yeah, Matt, you're such an Aussie bloke. You're such an Aussie bloke. You're a battler. You should be like, yeah.

You should get as much sauce as you want, no. Sure, but I mean... You're a drover. Why are we paying for your source? Yeah. Who's we? Okay, well, I don't think those... Who's we?

You don't have source. The taxpayers. Oh, that's right. I'm very conservative. There's a rebate from the government on source. Anyway. It does feel like because someone doesn't want source right. So they have to...

They just factor that 10 cents into the price. And then everyone's paying for source either way. But you don't want source. No, but it's never 10 cents. It's usually like 30 or 50 cents. What I think they should have is those communal bottles. I'm so okay with the Cunumoon bottles. I don't like the communal bottles.

No, I'm not bad. Because you hate sharing, you bloody right-wing, bastard. No source for anyone. I've really picked a weird character today. It's weird that you're against this. Usually you're like, no, fuck the patriarchy. And it's me that turns on things, but you've turned on the source. And also the little packages are like way shitter for the environment than a communal bottle.

But that's what I'm about. Fuck the environment and pay up. You're on to the commies. Yeah. Free sauce is quite communist. It really is. Yeah. Source for all.

Anyway, can I go on? Sure. Text in what you think. Yeah, hashtag free sauce. Is this a problem overseas in Ohio? Do you have sauce? Ketchup? If you get a hot dog.

Nice. Should you pay for sauce? Ketchup. Sorry. Yeah, they've been Googling what tomato sauce means over in America. What's sauce? What does tomato sauce mean in America? Ketchup is a more fun word.

Ketchup's a bit different to our tomato sauce anyway. Oh, is it? Ketchup's like a bit more of vinegary and sweet. Yeah, it's good. It's good. Tomato sauce is, I mean, it's the best thing that's ever existed. I'm drinking a little cup of it now. Anyway, so, mum's in prison.

And rightfully so. Rightfully so. No, I don't think she should be in prison. I'm sorry to hear that, Jess. My mum's in prison. Can I go on with the podcast? No, my mom is a saint. Annie would never do anything that would put her in prison.

Also, if she went to prison, oh my God, She'd be someone's bitch within seconds. Wow. And probably like willingly, she'd be like, do you want me to wash your socks for you? Like, can I help you? She's so lovely. You have a strange misunderstanding of what prison bitch means. No, I know.

Yeah. No, she'd probably be like everybody's, I really don't want to imagine the situation because, as I said, she's a delight. Now, when Manson's mom was paroled from prison that she was in, unlike my mom, who's an angel, she was paroled in 1942. She retrieved her son from the aunt and uncle that he was living with, and she lived with him in a series of run-down hotel rooms. Manson himself later remembered her physical embrace of him

on the day she returned from prison as his sole happy childhood memory. The only good memory he has is the hug when his mum got out of prison. Oh, boy. I imagine it would cost a lot more to live in several, even shit hotels and just rent in one small apartment. Okay, Dave. Financially, there's a lot of... questions here. And if people

had free source, there wouldn't be any Charles Manson's in the world. It's all I'm saying. Wow. Wow. The real mic drop on that one. I mean, you can't drop the mic because they're attached to the table and... Well, I could pull a Brun Kelly in Riverall. Yeah, which one

was that? Is this one, wasn't it? It's the one I'm at because there's a hole there. Fucking Kelly. That will be invoicing, you mate. Anyway, In 1947, Kathleen Maddox tried to have her son placed in a foster home, but failed because no such home was available. So she was trying...

Usually as people were trying to take them away. Yeah, but she was like, I can't take... I don't know the reason why, but let's assume she was like, I can't take care of him. She's trying to put him in foster home. There's nowhere available. There's nobody can take him. I think she wanted them to also have beer involved in the trade somehow.

Probably. And they're like, no, that's not how it works. Child services were not up for that. So he was placed in a school for... boys in Indiana and after 10 months he fled there to be with his mother but she rejected him. Oh my God. Yeah. So he's only, this is 1947 and he's only like 13, 13 at this point.

Oh my God. So then he burglarizes a liquor store and that way he sort of gets some money to rent a room and he commits a string of burglaries of other stores. Using what weapon? Oh, look, who knows? Mustard. It's burglary. Colonel Mustard in the study with the mustard.

He stole a bicycle and he was eventually caught in the act and sent to an Indianapolis Juvenile Centre. He escaped after one day but was recaptured and placed in Boys Town, which is like a, again, like a boys' home. Sounds like a boy band. I know, I thought that too. And then it made me look up Boy Town, Boy Town, which was the Australian film. Oh, that's right. There was a film called Boy Town.

that up. Mick Maloy. Mick Maloy. Bob Franklin. Wayne Hope. Oh, so good. Very good. Very fun. So I was watching that trailer on YouTube for a bit and then I went back to researching. So check that out if you want to.

It's pretty funny. Or don't. I don't. I saw it at the movies. Did you? Was it good? Yeah, at the time I really... It was like 12 years ago or something. It was a while ago. I remember it. I remember it, but it wasn't... I don't think it was well-loved.

by the critics after because it was kind of the follow-up to crack a jack not loved by the critics cracker jack was uh went off right everyone loved it cracker jack was good yeah but then i think people were disappointed by boy town but i can't i can't remember with that cast how could you go wrong i've wayne hope so much yeah wayne hope so much yeah wayn hope's great they're all great bob franklin oh look that's all of them the man the legend yeah totally anyway um four days after here arrived at Boys Town, not the band. He escaped with another boy and the pair committed two armed robberies on their way to

the home of the other boy's uncle. So they're like, hey, let's just go stay at my uncle's place. Do you want to rob some stuff on the way? Yeah, all right. So they were caught during the second of the break-ins. That was at a grocery store. And Manson was sent to the Indiana Boys School where he would later claim that he was sexually and physically abused.

So he's not having a great time in life. He's only 13 still. After many failed attempts, he escaped with two other boys in 1951, so by now he's 17. In Utah, the three were caught driving to California in cars that they'd stolen. Well, they've got a convoy. They don't get into one. They get into three. Maybe there's two cars.

They drive like side by side. It's pretty easy to get pulled over. Yeah, you can't do that. Oh, yeah. Okay, sorry. So they'd robbed several petrol stations along the way. Now, for the federal crime of taking a stolen car across the state line, Manson was sent to Washington, D.C.'s National Training School for Boys.

And despite having, like, four years of schooling and an IQ of 109, when he was tested later, 109 being pretty average, like a fairly good intelligence. Not incredible, but not... Is 100 average? Is that right? Is that how the scale works? I think so. I googled, like, 100. IQ of 109, and that's pretty average. pretty normal.

He has been accepted in a many schools. Many schools. They're not the nicest schools. They're like juvenile centres, but they're still schools. And several boy band academies. So he's clearly very talented. He's got that.

But what they're saying is despite like having not much schooling and but still having an okay IQ, he was illiterate. So it's kind of choosing not to learn really. Yeah, well, I suppose like nobody really paid attention to him to teach him. Oh, don't sympathise with him, Jess. No.

I don't care. How could you not so far? Yeah, it's pretty horrible so far. No, but because we know what he goes on to do, I shouldn't really be like, what a poor kid. Anyway, a caseworker deemed him aggressively antisocial, and I kind of looked up antisocial personality disorder. It's a personality disorder characterized by a pervasive pattern of disregard for or violation of the rights of others. So it's like no sense, moral sense.

sense or conscious is often apparent as well as a history of crime, legal problems and or impulsive and aggressive behaviour. So that kind of makes sense. So, okay, not given a fuck. No fuck's given. That was my diagnosis. No, fuck's given. And then he puts on his son, he's always. Yeah, yes.

It will drive us away. In October of 1951, on a psychiatrist's recommendation, Manzan was transferred to Natural Bridge Honor Camp, which was a minimum security institution. Oh, I know, he's graduating with honours. Wow. Yep. They give these places quite nice names, also like Academy. Yeah, they sound nice.

Honor Institute, but really it's a jail. Yeah. It's a minimum security institution, yeah. And hasn't he escaped like 12 times? Why is he in minimum security? Yeah. Right, okay. Yep.

Is he going to get away again? Well, less than a month before a scheduled parole hearing, one of the boys there apparently took a razor blade and held it against another boy's throat, while Manson sexually assaulted him. So he's got a month before he's paroled. Oh. And he attacked somebody in the prison.

So he was then transferred to the federal reformatory in Virginia where he was considered dangerous. Oh, do you reckon? Do you reckon you might be him in dangerous? We could have maybe picked up on that a little while ago. Okay. Maybe I would put him in minimum security. He was then, in September of 15th. So a bit later that year, he'd had a number of serious disciplinary offenses.

And so they transferred him again to a different federal reformatory in Ohio. Shout out to Ohio. Back to Ohio. Maybe you've been to the same reformatory. Hey, tweet in. The Boytown Academy for Excellence. It was a more secure institution, so a bit more high security. So like the paparazzi can't come in and take photos of the young, young Super Bowl.

stars of tomorrow. Just while he's trying to learn. Exactly. Learning jazz tap and ballet. Yeah, he's got classes, guys. Triple threat. You got to be. He's quite triple threatening to other people in the prison.

Oh, boy. Now, that's interesting, though, is about a month after the transfer, he became almost a model resident. Like, he behaved himself. So he had a modeling as well. He's had a modeling. He's not a modeling. He's not a whole. He's got the look.

Sorry, how has he transformed? He had just had good work habits. There was a rise in his educational level from like a lower fourth grade sort of level to seventh grade. In a one month? In a couple of years. All right, sorry. It meant that a couple of years later in 1954, he was granted parole. So he's now 20 and he's finally out.

So he spent most of his like childhood in and out of foster homes, family homes and institutions. Right. So he temporarily, so the parole condition was that he had to live with his aunt and uncle in West Virginia, and he did that for a while, until eventually he moved in with his mother, who was also in West Virginia. And in 1955, he married a hospital waitress named Rosalie Jean Willis, with whom, by his own account, he found genuine, if short-lived, marital happiness. So he was happy, he's married, he supported their marriage via small-time. jobs and auto theft, but they had jobs and theft and sell some cars. Oh, no, Charlie. And around October, about three months after he and his pregnant wife had arrived in Los Angeles

in a car he had stolen in Ohio, he was again charged with a federal crime of taking a vehicle across state lines. But after a psychiatric evaluation, he was given five years probation. So it's like you're not going to prison, but you've just got to behave yourself. but he failed to appear at a Los Angeles hearing on an identical charge filed in Florida so then he's arrested in Indianapolis. It's just a mess. His probation is revoked.

He's sentenced to three years imprisonment at Terminal Island in California. Terminal Island. Does that sound fun to you, Dave? That one sounds less fun. I've got to say Terminal. You couldn't even call it a boy band album that. No, you could Terminal Island. NSYNC, Terminal Island.

Oh, it's not terrible, actually. Do you think? Yeah, I'd listen to that. I feel like maybe the bad boy of the boy band, like his hometown could be Terminal Island. Yeah. In his fictional backstory. Yeah, that works.

Otherwise, not so good. While Charles is in prison, Rosalie gave birth to their son, Charles Manson, Jr. During his first year. Not a good name. Bet he changes his name. Yep. First year at Terminal Island.

And they visit, and his mom visits, because his wife and mother are living together in Los Angeles. In March of 1957, when the visits from his wife stopped, his mum informed him that Rosalie was living with another man. And less than two weeks before a parole hearing, Manson tried to escape by stealing a car. He was, how did he try to escape?

Okay, he escaped and stole a car somehow. So then he's given five years probation. His parole's denied. So every time it gets close to him getting out, he acts out, which is a little bit strange. He... It's almost like he doesn't want to leave Terminal Island. Yeah, or there was...

I mean, it's such a great place. Also, it'd be very difficult to drive a car off an island, I imagine. I'm picturing it like a fun fair, like a, like a, like Coney Island or something like that. Oh, yeah. I thought I had it written down, but there was some sort of point where... I don't remember exactly where it was, but he did ask to stay. Yeah, right.

And they deny that. He must have enjoyed running the roller coasters. Well, that's where you go to, like, to leave somewhere, right? You go to the terminal. Yeah, like airports. Terminal Ferry terminals. I just want to leave the terminal. That's fair enough.

I like terminals sometimes. It's fun. There's some good cafes there. Yeah, I associate them with good time. It would feel like you're constantly about to go somewhere. I'm about to leave this terminal. And it's all about, you know, like the anticipation. That's what life's all about in the end.

So I get it. I get ways into that. Oh, this is the saddest story I've ever heard. It's pretty sad. No, it's good for a comedy podcast. I feel like it's going to get better before it gets worse. I mean, the other way around. So, finally, he receives five years per roll in September of 1958,

which is the same year that Rosalie filed to divorce from him. By November, he was pimping a 16-year-old girl and was receiving additional support from a girl with wealthy parents. He must be very charming, I must say. be. He must be. It's terrifying. It's so creepy. Was he good looking on his younger? No. I only see him looking crazy. Oh yeah, but that's the thing. He's got the crazy eyes. He's got like dead eyes. And like how do you not pick up on that? How do you go? Ooh. Just don't look him in the face. Oh, he's dreaming. No, he's terrifying. Nightmarish. Yeah. Look at his legs go.

Jazz, tap and bella. What a combo. He received a 10 years suspended sentence after he pleaded guilty to a charge of attempting to cash a forged check. That's a long suspended sentence. Ten years suspended sentence. You get given 10 years and then they're like, no, I'll suspend that. Well, they suspended it because a young woman with an arrest record for prostitution made a tearful plea before the court that she and Manson were deeply in love and would marry if Charlie was freed. What kind of stuff only happened in movies? I know, so they're like, oh, well, if he wants to.

get married. We can't let him go to prison. How strange is that? Just so fucking weird, right? So, um... The judge is a... He loved love. Hey, who doesn't? It's true. Love must prevail. Who doesn't? Love conquers all. So before the year's end, she did marry him, possibly so testimony against him would not

be required of her, like, later, because you can't testify against your spouse. Oh. What, can't you? I'm sure you can, I don't. I'd like to marry everyone. No, Dave. No, Dave, you can't do that. Come on. Also, what are people going to say that?

What are you hiding? I don't know. I just want to know that I'm covered. What do you mean? What is he hiding? He's a Nazi. Oh, no. Stop that.

It used to be implied that you thought I was some sort of nasty. Now he just said it to my faith, and I will not sit here and take that from you. I'm in no way a Nazi, supporter of Nazi ideology, or a fan. of anything Nazis have ever done. All right. Just to set the record straight. It feels very strange that I have to publicly say this. But Hitler wasn't that bad, was he?

No one else has to come out and say, I'm not into Nazism. I have to do that because of you too. Well, because you said that Hitler wasn't that bad. Yeah. Wasn't... Go back and listen to what I say. It's an early episode. We're just working out who we were as people.

Yeah, true. I'm still not sure. There was no context. You just came out of nowhere and said, look, guys, I've got to get this off my chest. We're talking about the Beatles. Hitler wasn't that bad. Welcome to do-go on.

My name's Dave Waterkey. Hitler wasn't that bad. You know, my new catchphrase. The man with a golden tonsils. Kawabunga, Hitler wasn't that bad. Oh, no. I love how you're not even giving it the context anymore. You're just like, go listen to it.

Yeah, go to listen to it. Yeah, girl, because I sound, if I dispute it too much, I sound like she doth protest too much. Does that make sense to you, Matt? No, it doesn't. Highbrow? No, I think that Shakespeare quote is actually misinterpreted now over the years. How you said it then isn't quite right.

But that's okay. You're a young fellow, you'll find your way. Do you want to correct me then, please? No. Go look it up yourself. For a wise old man, he doesn't. like to share his wisdom, doesn't he does not? He does not. Oh, it's just a pile on everybody today. Do be, do be. And Jess has an IQ of 108 less than Charles Manson.

Oh, I wonder what mine would be. Can we do IQ tests and find out if we're smarter than Charles Manson? Oh my God. So I actually liked you, but I'd also be afraid that I'd be a lot dumber than I think. Yeah. I reckon let's do it. Anyway, I'll go on. So the woman that he married, Her name was Leona, and as a prostitute, she'd use the name Candy Stevens. Candy, great name. Stevens is very un-sexy and unoriginal, I've got to say. You start with candy. You should be like Candy Good Times, with the Zed.

Good times. Now, after Manson took her in another woman from California to New Mexico for purposes of prostitution, he was held and questioned for violation of the Man Act, which is like white slave traffic act. So they questioned him for that, but he was released. But he sort of suspected correctly that the investigation hadn't ended, like that they would be wanting to ask more questions. So he disappeared in violation of his probation and a warrant was issued. And when one of the women was arrested for prostitution, Manson was returned to L.A. And for violation of his probation on the cash checking, the check cashing charge,

he was ordered to serve his 10-year sentence. So then he's released on the 21st of March in 1967. And he received permission to move to San Francisco, where with the help of a prison acquaintance, he moved into an apartment in Berkeley. And in prison, he'd met a bank robber, Alvin Carpus, and Alvin had taught him to play the steel guitar. Ooh. Maybe that's how he gets all the ladies because...

He knows the steel. He can play guitar. So he soon gets to know a lady called Mary Brunner, who's a 23-year-old graduate of the University of Wisconsin-Madison. She was working as a library assistant at the University of California, and Manson moved in with her. Well, she sounds so innocent. She does, like, she's a library assistant. She's a graduate. Is she bookish?

Oh, yeah. She's pretty bookish. So he moves in with her. And according to a secondhand account, he overcame her resistance to his bringing other women in to live with them. So she's kind of like, well, I thought maybe just you and I could live in my place. And he's like, nah, let's bring other people in. And before long.

Overcame that resistance. Like at some sort of triumph. Yeah. Yeah. Bullying people. Before long, they were just sharing her place with 18 other women. 18 other women? Mm-hmm.

I don't understand Like the logistics of that Same out of control Bunk beds How many beds are there? I don't know What about the John? There'd be a line at all times

At all times We always have to line up Oh We Women Oh sorry I thought you meant you were in the house You were one of the 18

Or 19 women No women Women always have to line up I live in a house With one other person I still have to line up For the toilet all the time Do you say

Someone's constantly in there It's always in there And there's only one one other person living there. Yeah, we'd have to pee at the same time. I'm kidding again, Dave. How many women have you been overcame to invite into your house? We do have a guest with us, so there's one other person living in my house at the moment

who does not always live there. Who's the guest? My friend Libby, her friend, Deb's friend Libby. See, it starts with one. Starts with one. Yeah. You'll come home tonight. There'll be 17 other women in your bed.

But then Libby's boyfriend was there for a while too. So there's two other people. You've been overrun. Oh my God, I'm being mansent. I'm being mansent. By letting guests stay in my house, I'm being Manson. That's what a mansoning is. That's how they get you.

I don't think it is what a mansoning is. Oh, okay. Well, I mean, so far in the story. Yeah, that's what he's known for, right, from so far? Yep. So he teaches his followers. They're his followers now, that they were the reincarnation of the original Christians. and the Romans were the establishment.

He's anti-establishment. But they're fighting against... An anti-Roman. What an empire that fell a thousand years ago? Reincarnations of, Dave. Oh. So he's grabbing bits and pieces from a few places. Yeah, he's also had a lot of Scientology background as well. He has?

Yeah. He himself strongly implied that he was Christ. He often told his story. He didn't say it straight out, though. Just wrongly implied it. Hello, Mr. Manson, are you Christ? Some say. I'm not, look, I'm not saying no.

And it just keeps walking around in a robe. Just answer the question. He often told a story, envisioning himself on the cross with the nails in his feet and hands. So the implication is pretty strong. And sometime around 1967, he began using the alias Charles Willis Manson. And he often said it very slowly, like, Charles Will is man's son. Oh, great work. His will was the same as the son of man.

I can just imagine it when he was in bed and thought of that. He got up in the middle of the night to write that down. No, he got up in the middle of the night to applaud himself. Why do you think? Followers, wake up. You've done it, Manston. So if his mum didn't hook up with that Manson guy, maybe this all could have been avoided. Yeah, yeah.

Maybe if she hooked up with really good guy, Gary, really good guy, then he would have been, see now Charles Will is really good guy. everyone, let's go for free lunch on me. And then we're going to pick up some rubbish on the highway, free of charge, not as a punishment as a reward for living on this beautiful earth. Thanks, Earth. But you could draw the fact that... You've got to thank the earth.

You got to. Or if he never knew who his father was, maybe it was an immaculate conception, a la Jesus H Christ. What's the H stand for? Horatio. Horatio. Is that true? Yes.

How do you not know that? Jesus's middle name was Horatio. Look, I've got no religious background, so I have no idea of you joking around. You are so gullible today. It could be. No, it couldn't. I feel like you would have known that. Yeah, I don't know where that, I don't think there is a middle age name.

I think, I don't know where that's saying come from. Are you thinking of William H. Macy? Yeah, is that what you think of? Sorry. I get, I get confused. That always happens. It was because when Jesus wanted to join the actors' guild in a lot of, America, and there was already a Jesus Christ.

Yeah. You had to add the age. And all the good ones do have a middle initial. Yeah. That's a funny rule. That's a funny rule. That's a funny rule. I'll accept that.

I'm really proud of. And juniors as well. There's a lot of juniors. Like the Iron Man is a junior. Charles Manson Jr. He's a very famous actor. Gild. Very good actor.

He's a character actor. Do we find out more about him and if he's okay? No, I didn't really look into that because at this stage as well, around this time, Mary became pregnant. Mary, Mary. She gave her birth to a son. She named Valentine Michael. A son. A son, Valentine is a saint as well.

Nicknamed Pooh Bear. Is that a thing? Much like the Disney cartoon that Jesus endorsed. Well, by not saying anything. He endorsed it by... Just staying out of the way. Yeah. Find me a record of Jesus saying poo bear sucks.

Never said it. Never said it. Great point. Right, so I think she was like the first of quite a few of them to have his child. Which one's Mary? The librarian. The bookish one. Yeah.

So I don't remember how many kids he had, but there was a lot of them. But there's 18 women and there's no other men yet. In the overall group there is. Right. because if they're all your partners, God, he'd be tired. 18 girlfriends. I don't think he's being a very attentive boyfriend.

Like, I don't think he's like, how is your day, Mary? Okay, you've got five minutes. I don't think he's the type of person that treats them all that well, to be perfectly honest with you. He calls a general meeting. All right, everyone tell me how your days were now. In unison. Yeah.

Turn to the person next to you and tell them one fact about you. We're going to do some icebreakers. We're going to come back. And you present back to the class. I'm going to throw the tennis ball to one of you. If you catch it, you've got to say a fact about the person next to you. Oh, have you lived that life? Yeah.

I did drama classes, yeah. Yeah. So lame. So I always hated about starting a new semester at uni. So awful. I don't want to do Ice Break. I just want to learn about PR or whatever I'm doing. I just want to learn where the H stands for.

I think it's nice that they got a little bit of sport in your drama class by throwing the tennis ball around. No. There was a lot of drop. Drop catches. Hand eye coordination, very important for actors. That's so good. You got to know. Where you...

In case you've got to do that Novak Djokovic biopic. You got to know. Biotic. I like how you said biopic there. Biopic. Yeah, that's nice. That's like if you can see out of both eyes, right? You're an idiot. Hey, can I go on?

I'm just waiting for one of you to say do go on. Do go on. Thank you. It's definitely biopic. I think it is, but I say biopic. But I say wonder and wonder wrong, don't I? I just say wonder for both of them. That's a Melbourne thing.

That's a weird Melbourne thing where we switch O's and A's, and we switch a few vowels around. So we say helicopter. I say helicopter. Yeah, helicopter. But you're going to think about it now. I wouldn't say helicopter. You just did. No.

Why would you lie? Like the lie was given away in your lie. I wouldn't say helicopter. Helicopter. It's interesting. I didn't think I did either. What do you say? Apparently, it's common in Melbourne to say helicopter.

Instead of... Helicopter. Helicopter. Oh, that's a helicopter. I think I say hell. Just because of the word hell. I should have asked, then we could have figured it out better. Now you know, you're probably going to make better luck choices.

I kind of like how we're finding our own accent here. Yeah, it's nice. I mean, that happened because it's a youngish. city. Ours is a little bit rougher than, like if you got, you hear the Adelaide's very posh. They're a bit more proper.

Apparently it's one of the closest accents to the Queen's English. Yeah, I would agree. Which is interesting. Compared to other like majority of English people. All right. Yeah. All right.

What about Perth? They say chance as well, don't they? Yes, they do. But they say Derby when it should be Derby. Derby? But then Americans say Derby. I mean, it is spelt Derby, so that makes sense.

That's like that's a weird switching of the vowel sound for no reason. I just think like chance, dance, France. We sound a bit rough. But when I was in Ireland recently, I get a little bit self-conscious of the accent when I'm travelling when I'm overseas. But this, a couple of people said they really like the Australian accent. One taxi driver was like, oh, I love the Australian accent. It's beautiful.

Really? The women especially. Yeah, he said the women especially sound, oh, just so lovely. The way you dance, take a chance and move to Dublin. I'm happy to be driving you in my car Tablin The words just roll up your tongue Yeah, nah

We do not have a good accent No but that's what he said I'm not I'm not going to dispute it But I wouldn't say it's lovely I agree I was like we don't sound lovely at all And then one lady

The elderly couple I befriended at Riverdance She said But you don't sound too Australian I was like thank you I think that's because people The Australian accents people think are Australian accents? They're Americans pretending to be Australian.

You know, like, Gada, my, oh, he, we're going there. You know, really outback. Ridgey Ditch. Really rough. But I've never said Ridgey Ditch in my life. All right, we just want to give you a little boot up to bum. That's, that the Simpsons. That's a funny name.

I'd I call it Chaz-Wazzer. I love that episode. I would have called. Oh, yeah, I remembered it as Chuzz Wazzoz. Yes, Chaz was her. Okay. Oh, I see you've played Knifey's Booty before.

Is the Simpsons episode coming up anytime soon? Davey Boy? It's a big one. It's a big research project. I'm watching the first 10 series again. Great. I'm going to like skip ahead a bit here because we haven't even got to the main thing. I do want to tell you one kind of funny story about him.

Oh, great, funny. Well. Good finally. It's a little bit weird. It's sort of about his, like, a present. presentation of himself, if that makes sense. So basically, at the beach one day, this guy that he met Gary, Gary Stromberg, fantastic name.

He was a young Universal Studios producer, and he was working on a film adaptation. He met Charles Manson, and they were at the beach one day, and Stromberg watched while Manson preached against the materialistic outlook, only then to be questioned about his well-furnished bus. He had like this bus that he carted everybody around in. And so nonchalantly, he just tosses the bus keys to the doubter, who probably drives away with it. Drives away, takes his bus.

And Manson's just like, hmm, whatever, no big deal. He's like, oh, he's called me out on this. And I'm stubborn. Yeah. And so Stromberg reckons that Manson had a dynamic personality with an ability to read a person's weakness and play them. So he was really manipulative. He might.

speak he's convincing all these people to do this crazy stuff. Yeah. It's not even that crazy yet, but... He just sort of does whatever it takes to get what he wants. He's, yeah, he's very creepy. On one occasion, the enraged father of one of the runaway girls who had joined the Manson family, pointed a shotgun at Manson and told him he was about to die. But Manson quietly invited him to shoot him.

I was like, go ahead, man, shoot me, before talking to the man about love, and with the aid of LSD persuaded him to accept the situation. I should have shot him. Should have shot him. So is the guy with a gun suddenly given LSD? Yeah. Put this in your mouth and I'll tell you all about myself. Yeah.

That's just so, hey man. Actually, the charmingness maybe isn't a thing if he's giving LSD. Yeah, he's just drugging people. Okay, but how do you convince somebody who wants to kill you, just like sit down and talk about love for a bit? LSD? Yeah, how do you get it to him? How do you get it in them?

How do you get it in their goal? you go, look, happy with you to shoot, happy with you shooting me, that's fine. But obviously that's very final. Can we just have a quick chat first? Quick chat and then you can shoot me. Like, reasonably it'd be hard to say no to that. That's fine.

You're only discussing the chat element. Okay. How do you give them the LSD? In a glass of water. Yeah. In a glass of water. Tea, maybe. Can you, does LSD just...

I got the kettle on. Would you like... Fucking genius. I'm just... I've just got the kettle on. Do you want to... I've just poured myself one. It'd be awful if it went cold.

It'd be a shame to waste it, really. Yeah. Would you like, can I get your one as well? One of a cup of two? One of a cup of a cup of. Okay, but after this, I'm going to kill you. No, absolutely. Absolutely, that's the plan.

I insist. That's the play. In fact, I'd be offended if you didn't. Okay. Okay, fine. Well, yeah, let's... You put it like that. Let's have some tea.

Wow. Okay. Yeah, I see. So, that is pretty charming. That's pretty charming, though. But I mean, I am also an evil charming person. Oh, you're so charming. Matt knows how to manipulate people.

I've seen him go. I've seen him talking his way out of being murdered. Yeah. Several times. Yeah, it's weird, isn't it? It's weird that it keeps getting in that situation to begin with. But here we are. You got a murdery looking face.

I mean, when you know you can easily get out of it. Yeah. You walk through life freely. It's fun to get into a murdery situation. Sure. I search them out. Yeah, now you must. I don't, listeners.

Please. Nobody knows. I know we've got murdery listeners because they keep asking for fucked up top of. They love murders. I do, but who doesn't? Curry, caveman, sitting there going, get to the murder, get to the murder bit.

Thanks, Corey. Thanks again, mate. Okay, so here's what you were talking about earlier, Dave. So in late spring of 1968, when Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys picked up two hitchhiking Manson women. They're called Manson women. It's fucking terrifying.

And it's Dennis the drummer. Is that right? Yes Yeah Yeah he was the drama Of the Beach Boys But I think they all had a sing In the harmony

They loved to sing They all had to sing They all had to sing He played He tinkled the ivories as well I think Anyway so he picks up Two

Tinkled meaning Pissed on He pissed on the piano Well It was the 1960s Got to piss on everything So you mark your territory So he picks up two women

Patricia Crenwinkle Fucking great name Oh Patti Krenwinwinkel Krenwinkel and Ella Joe Bailey also a good name and he brought them back to his his house for a few hours they just kind of hung out for a bit what a day when you could be hitchhiking and a rock and roll superstar would pick you up and take you back to their place

I just hang out I'm assuming there was probably some illicit substances taken there was probably some booze but they had a good time so then he comes home to his house in the early hours of the following morning after a night recording session and he's greeted in the driveway of his own house by Charles Manson. What up? Who emerged from the house. So Wilson's like, oh, hi.

And he asks, are you going to hurt me? And Manson's like, ah, man, I'm not going to hurt you, totally. Just have this tea. So they go inside the house. Wilson discovers 12 strangers, mostly women, uh, in his house. He's just like,

all right, this is better than I thought it was going to be. They're all just sort of crashing. This is so great. Over the next few months, as their numbers doubled, the family members who made, who made themselves part of his Sunset Boulevard household. Cost Wilson approximately $100,000. Wow, big money.

This included a large medical bill for treatment of their gonorrhea. Oh, no. And $21,000 for the accidental destruction of his uninsured car, which they borrowed. Accidental destruction. I didn't just crash it. I crashed my car the other day. Just a little one. What?

You're all right? I'm fine. How bad? It's not, it drove here. He's still fine, but he's... What's your car's name again? Gary.

Colin. Colin. Gary, similar. Colin. Colin after Lano Woodley? After Lano? Sure. Yep.

Okay. But it's not going to cost me $21,000 because the car isn't with that anyway. But $21,000, they crashed his car. And he would... Apparently, though, like it seems like he kind of just like hanging out with them. Like, they'd sing and talk and... and, oh, this is so awful. So Wilson would sing with Manson.

They'd like, they'd jam, basically, while the women were treated as servants to them both. Yay. But only while they were jamming. Probably, yeah, otherwise, it was a very equal society. All right, so as soon as you pick up the guitar, they dropped everything. All right, the boys are playing guitar. You know what that means, ladies?

We've got to get a plate of strawberries. All right. Who's got the big fern to fan them with? Where did you put it? Sue? Where did you put the big fern? I think I left it in the John. Oh, thanks, Sue. I'll go get it.

What the fuck, Sue? I had to fan away. Someone did a big poo go on. Good one. Good one, Sue. Appreciate that. I'm Dennis, by the way. Yeah. I'm Dennis. What's that in reference, so? I don't quite get the poo go on joke. No, it'll be funny in like 40 years. Okay, great.

Yeah, no, you're all druggies. I don't know what you're talking about, but we have a good time. We have a good time. Is Dennis, so Dennis is into it. Yeah, we seems to be. He paid for some studio time to record songs written and performed by Charles Manson. and he introduces him to a few business, entertainment, biz acquaintances. What are the beach boys doing at this stage? Are they, like, right in the middle of being?

I wish they, California girls. Oh, he was singing about the family. Yeah. Because some of them were from Ohio. Mm-hmm. Okay, I get it. I wish they could all be California guys. Yeah, most of them are.

But there's a few. There's a couple of there. Sue, for instance. Always forgetting where the bloody Fern is. Is Dennis the only one of the beach boys that actually served? I'm pretty sure that is a fact. Oh, really? The others didn't serve.

They're talking about surfing and they just did not. I didn't think any of them did. Which one did? The guy, the Manson friend. He looks like a surfer dude. Right. Yeah, but that is also part of their promotion. Interesting.

No, I don't know. But he drowned. He did drown when he was 39. So, I don't know, possibly surfing, possibly giving it a go for the first time. He thought he'd been living a lie for several decades. Less and learn. Don't try anything. Never try.

Never try. So the entertainment biz, bigwigs that he meets are Greg Jacobson, Terry Melcher and Rudy Altebelli. Remember those last two. Terry Belcher, Rudy Altebelly. Right? Because Rudy owned a house, he would soon rent to actress Sharon Tate and her husband, Director Roman Polanski. Not that that has any relevance, so it's fine. Last time I hear of those names.

Totally fine. So he establishes, Manson established a base for the group at, I think it's a Span movie ranch. Span, S-P-A-H-N, Span. Let's say Span. I think it's Spar Horatio N. You're an idiot. Spar Horatio N. So, so basically Wilson's manager got them evicted from his house.

So they took, they go to this ranch, which was used for like, like, film, as a film set. back in the day, but now it was kind of like, it deteriorated. So living on the set of Bonanza, practically. Basically, it was a TV and movie set. Wilson eventually came to his census sort of thing. Kicked him out, yeah. Get out. Satisfying, I guess.

So, I don't know. Yeah, a bit. I mean, they haven't done anything too bad yet, so. Yeah, and so far they're just a weird group of people who like to party, but it was the 60s, man. Yeah, women were free love and women are all our slave. Okay, that's terrible. It was awful. So they're living at this ranch and they sort of did work around the grounds.

And so they were living with basically the owner, who's this 80-year-old guy called George Span. And so they didn't, like they helped out around and Manson ordered the family's women, including Lynette Squeaky From, to occasionally have sex with the nearly blind 80-year-old owner. Just as some sort of like payment. Oh, they also, the women also acted as seeing eye guides for him because his vision wasn't good. I mean, that's kind of nice. Shock on that job.

Yeah, that job's fine. Having sex within bits, probably not great. Or all that kind. But that's fine. So then a guy called Charles Watson soon joined the group at Spans Ranch. Now, he was a small town Texan who'd quit college and moved to California, and he met Manson at Dennis Wilson's house one night. Span nicknamed Watson.

Tex, because he is Tex and drawl. So Tex Watson becomes part of the gang. Is that because he doesn't want another Charles? Probably. There's too many. Tex is a great name. Tex's a great name. That's the second nickname we've had on the podcast.

Remember Tex Banwell from the Second World War? Oh, there was a text. The guy that kept escaping from everywhere. And at the time did I mention that I get called Tech sometimes? Older people will call me Tex? Oh, I think, yeah. And then I told you that Tex Perkins's real name is Greg. So disappointed.

We've relived it. It's great to be back. It's great to be back. But is he really a Perkins? Yes. Greg Perkins. Greg Perkins. Fuck, it's a terrible name.

Do you have a great uncle called Greg Perkins? You'd change it to Tex, wouldn't you? Jesus. No, no Greg's in my family, thank you. We stay away from them. There's an A. We've got a shitload of Johns and Phillips, but no Greggs. Phil Perks.

There's an NFL footballer's nicknames, uh, Tex. Tex Walker. I guess that's a good one. Walker, Texas Ranger, I guess. Maybe, yeah. Who knows? He's got no, yeah, he's got, I can't imagine an Adelaide, Crows football would have any connection to Texas.

You never know. You never do know, because I'll never find, I'll never look into it. We'll forget about it. As God is my witness. I'm not looking to that. For some time, oh, it gets weird, for some time, Manson had been saying that racial tension between blacks and whites was growing and that blacks would soon rise up in rebellion in American cities.

On one cold night, I think it was New Year's Eve at one of the ranches. They sort of spread out across a couple of ranches. They moved around a little bit. So the family members were all gathered around outside a large fire, and Manson was explaining that the social turmoil he'd been predicting had also been predicted by the Beatles. So he thought that the white album songs told it all, although in code. In fact, he maintained that the album was directed at the family itself,

who were an elite group that was being instructed to preserve the worthy from the impending disaster. So he's like, the Beatles are onto it too. Oh, no. Oh, no. Don't bring the Beatles into this. Yeah, that's awful. So what you've got to do is like look for the messages in between the lyrics, but when they say things like peace and love, ignore that bit.

Ignore that. They're being ironic. Yeah. It's opposite day. It's opposite day, whatever they say. So really, we don't, all you not need is hate. So once again, love, we need love. That's what that means.

Ah, damn it. Okay. Wait, hang on. No, I'm wrong. Okay. So all you need is, what's the opposite of need is want? All you want is hate. There we go.

There it is. All you want is hate. But opposite of all is nothing. Nothing you want is hate. Nothing they want. Nothing they want is hate. So nothing they want is hate. So they don't want hate.

Nothing they want is hate. So let's give them hate. And I'm not 100% sold that wants is the opposite of need. Nothing they want is hate. Hate. Hate is all they nothing want. Yeah. So it's catchy, isn't it?

Yeah, it's pretty good. I only just heard that message then. I'm going to go kill some cunts. All right, bye. Get some beetles told me. too. Well, yeah. We're going to kill some guns.

We're going to stop saying that. No, it's pretty funny. I can imagine being in the context where you've been having, like you've been partying, the leader's a bit crazy, says some weird stuff, but then suddenly you're at a bonfire and he's saying the Beatles want to kill it. You'd be like, oh no, shit. Oh, I'm in one of those situations.

I thought he was a bit, you know, hokey. Yeah, but I thought we were just going to do a lot of drugs and have fun. Charlie's weird. And then you're too far in. Yeah, you're like, I'm too deep now. I've got to go along with it. stuck. There was another Beatles reference as well in that they

they got out of the cold of the desert and they put themselves moving closer into LA and they were staying in this canary yellow home so Manson called it the yellow submarine which is another Beatles reference so fucking weird

and also because their location would allow the group to remain submerged beneath the awareness of the outside world no one will find us in this yellow house Oh boy We'll blend in So they prepared for the impending apocalypse They thought

This is what's going to happen It's always an apocalypse coming with these cocks It's a good motivator To get people to do what you want That's true And he termed the apocalypse Helter Skelter after the Beatles song So he's kind of closely affiliated with Helter Skelter now

Which is awful because the Beatles does have better than that Yeah, kind of ruined that song Yeah. It wasn't my favourite anyway, though, to be honest. If it was like, oh, the apocalypse, Blackbird, I'd be like, no! I love that song. Anyway, so by February, Manson's vision was complete. They decided that they were going to create an album of songs as subtle as those of the Beatles that would trigger the predicted chaos.

So they're going to write some trigger songs. It does sound a bit like when you're 13 years old in a band in a garage and you think these songs are going to change the world. It does feel a bit like that. Yeah, it's pretty fucked. It's so funny that they thought like, but the beat, do they think the Beatles songs are doing that? Yeah. And they decided that once all this tension arose in the apocalypse started, that they were going to ride out the conflict in the bottomless pit, which was a secret city beneath Death Valley. That sounds like a good spot to hang.

It sounds like a hang. There's a secret city. Apparently. So while the family members worked on vehicles and poured over maps to prepare for their desert escape, they also worked on songs for their world-changing album. When they were told that Terry Melcher, who's one of the big entertainment biz dudes, who's a music producer. Terry Belcher. Melcher. He was going to come to the house to hear their material. So they're like, sweet, we've got all our songs ready. And the women prepared a meal and they cleaned up the place, but Melcher never arrived. Oh, dear.

Was he actually ever booked or... Yeah, like they'd said, hey, come along and he didn't. But maybe he's got the dates wrong. But was it a Charles lie, I mean? Or did he actually tell him? Well, he came another time. All right. That's good. But, so he doesn't come that time.

So on March 23rd in 1969, Manson, uninvited, went to Melchers' house. He was like, I'm just going to go to his house. But it was actually Rudy Altebelly's property that Melcher had, like, rented out. but he wasn't the tenant anymore. As of that February, the tenants were Sharon Tate and Roman Polanski. Oh. That is unlucky. So Manson was met at the door by a photographer friend of Sharon Tate.

His name was Shaharok Hatami. Hatami was there to photograph Tate in advance of her departure for Rome the next day. Having seen Manson through a window as he sort of came up to the house, he sort of went to the front door and was like, hey man, what's up? And Manson said he was looking for someone. and Hattami didn't recognize the name so he said oh no this is the Polanski residents maybe try the back alley

because there was like a guest house around the back so he said try around there if you're looking for somebody but then he's like that's a bit weird as a stranger wandering around and that I've invited him in exactly Hey go to the neighbours place Thanks photographer you fucking idiot

So Charles Manzan goes around the back and then just like he's gone for a couple of minutes comes back and leaves So he's left the house. It's fine. Everything's fine. Okay, thank God.

I thought something bad was about that. That evening, Manson returned to the property. And again, went back to the guest house, presuming to enter the enclosed porch. He spoke with Rudy Altabelli, who was there, he'd just come out of the shower. And although Manson was asking for Melcher, Altabelli felt that Charles had come looking for him as well. So he's just sort of like out to get these record execs now. Who knows? and so he tells him oh I don't know where Melcher lives now

he's moved away but they kind of knew each other like Manson and Altabelli had met before so he was kind of like hey Charles to see you I guess makes it turning up at my house at midnight so it was really weird so then then Manson's sort of doing like hey so we're making some music if you want to like, I don't know, give us a record label or something, that'd be pretty sick.

And Altaveli's like, oh man, I'm leaving the country tomorrow. Manson's like, cool, well, what about when you get back? And he's like, oh, I'm going for a year. I'm going for 10 years. He wasn't going for a year. But eventually. So he knew, this guy knew it was on him that it was a bit fucked. Yeah, he was like, this guy's a bit strange and turning up to my house late at night.

Yeah. And like, don't bother my tenants in the main house, please. Yeah. So that's just a little bit strange. So then in May of that year, so a couple months later, Terry Melcher did go to the ranch, and he heard Charles Manson and the women sing. And he arranged another visit not long after,

and he brought a friend who had like a mobile recording unit, so they recorded a few of their songs just to, you know, get the ball rolling on their world-changing album. By June, Manson was telling the family they might have to show the blacks how to start helter-skelter. So he's like, we've got to start, like, start the uprising. Oh, right, wait. So he's saying that they're going to have to show black Americans.

It's an American thing. Yeah. Yeah. So it's just, yeah. It's funny that I'm still surprised how. bizarre he is. He's so strange. I'm not following his train of thought here.

It's almost like there is no real train. It is almost like that. So there's a couple of, like, it's going to be so flippant there. There's a couple of murders. But the main one that obviously they're the most famous for is the night of the August 8th in 1969, when Manson directed Tex Watson to take Susan Atkins,

Linda Kasabian and Patricia Crenwinkel. That's who the band of Casabian are named after. Yes. Oh. That is true, which is creepy. Yeah. He said, go to Melch's former home and kill everyone there. Just go to...

But he's not there, Charles. He's not there. He sends them. Kill everyone there. Who is there? It's just the Roman Polansky and whoever. Sharon Tate, she had like four friends over. There's only five people.

Only five people. Has anyone died? These are the first murders they've done? No, there was a couple before that. This is sort of the one they were most famous for, though. And then... But over the years of all the 50s and he hadn't killed anyone until this point? No, I don't think so.

A weird turn. Yeah. So, yeah, they... And the attacks were always kind of out of nowhere. So this was just that they were living in the house of someone that used to live there who he's mad at for no apparent reason. Right. So it's so strange.

And the murders are quite brutal. Like I was reading about a couple of them and I was like, I probably don't need to put that into the report. And all five of them get murdered, do that? Yeah, they all get murdered. Yeah. And then they write, they wrote pig in blood on the front of the door as they left.

It was a couple of references. They'd either write Helter Skelter or they'd write Pig. A few Beatles references, like the song Pigies. Yeah, Piggy's. So they'd, yeah, I didn't know. Because obviously that album was inciting the apocalypse. It's just pretty messed up.

The next night, on August 9th, six family members, the four from the night before, and they also took Leslie Van Houghton and Steve Grogan, who went by Clem, doesn't make sense, they wrote out and they just sort of went driving.

They just went, they didn't really have a plan and where they were going to go, but they were just going to go on a murder. And after a few hours driving around, in which he considered a number of murders and even attempted one or two of them, Manson gave Kasabian directions that brought the group to an address on Waverly Drive.

This was the home of supermarket executive Lino Labyanka and his wife Rosemary, who was a dress shop co-owner. So this house was next to a house that they'd attended a party at earlier in the year. And that's the connection. That's the connection. They'd been to a house party. Had they complained about the noise or something? No.

And like they murdered this guy and his wife, Lina LeBianka and his wife, Mary. Again, that's where I sort of read in great detail about the murder and I was like, oh, that doesn't need to go in. Oh, is it pretty... It's just got, it's really brutal. They're doing this to try and kick off and up like a race war. Yeah. I just, how is that going to start a race war? Well, there's a couple of instances and I'm remembering this rather than reading it where they would sort of be like, oh, we'll take Rosemary's wallet and we'll leave it in like a black neighborhood. And so that way, like, a, you know, a black kid will find it and use the credit cards.

And it'll look like they did it. It looked like they did it. Oh, my God. That is awful. Yeah. I mean, you know, it was already awful. But then, like, yeah, framing it on other innocent people. It's just so, so strange.

So the Tate murder obviously became huge news. The Polanski's housekeeper Winifred had arrived to work that morning and discovered the murder scene. on August 10's detectives were investigating the La Bianca murders as well but they hadn't put them together they were just like two different murders that had happened it's kind of weird the La Bianca crime scene was discovered at about 10.30pm on the 10th of August it says approximately 19 hours after the murders were committed 15 year old Frank Struthers Rosemary's son from a prior marriage and Lino's stepson returned from a camping trip

and was disturbed by seeing all the window shades of his home drawn and by the fact that his stepfather's speedboat was still attached to the family car in the driveway. So he calls his sister and her boyfriend and the boyfriend sort of takes them into the house and they discover their parents' bodies. It's really messed up. I just don't understand the speedboat thing.

So he's like, that's weird that they haven't detached the boat from the car. The car's just parked in the driver with the boat still attached. But were they attacked midboat? Oh, who knows? Maybe they just got back from a trip, hadn't detached the boat yet. You know when you get used to your parents' routines? Yeah, I guess so. So you'd be like, that's weird.

Dad would always detach the boat straight away. It's amazing that you had the foresight to know that something had gone. I think you'd know. Just have a feeling, I guess. You'd have a feeling getting back to your own house, especially your parents' place. You'd be like something's not right here. Very strange. Awful, awful, awful, awful.

Keeping it light. Okay, yay. Yeah, it's hard to make this bit funny. I know. It's hard to make any of it all that funny to be perfectly honest. and I'll, you know, we've been going a while, so I'll just sort of keep powering through. Eventually they connected some of the earlier murders with the Tate murder,

and so they sort of went looking for the Manson family, and they'd kind of moved around, and like they said before, they're going to live in the underground city and wait for the apocalypse. So there was a joint force between the National Park Rangers and officers of the Highway Patrol, the sheriff's office. they raided Myers Ranch and Barker Ranch which were a couple of ranches that they were often staying at

and they followed clues on whittling the left by the family members like a burned out earth mover and they found stolen June buggies and other vehicles and arrested two dozen people including Charles Manson a highway patrol officer found Manson hiding in a cabinet beneath a sink in the bathroom oh dear which is a good place to hide

I feel. I don't really need to go over the, like, all their trials and everything like that. There's a couple of, like, weird little things, like, Manson tried to represent himself in court. That feels like something he'd do. That feels like something he would do. And then... And just bring out, like, Beatles lyrics. Yeah, we'll say...

Your Honor. Arrest my case. So the judge was William Keane, and he sort of reluctantly granted Manson permission to act as his own attorney. I thought you about to say bail, and I was like, no. If that cannot happen. Because he was already, like, because of his conduct in court, he was just, like, so outlandish and nonsensical, they took away that permission. They're like, no, you crazy.

So then, like, the next day, he filed an affidavit of prejudice against that judge, who was then replaced by a different judge, Charles H. Alder, Charles Horatio Older. Thank you. So on Friday, July 24th, the first day of testimony, Manson appeared in court with an X carved into his forehead. He issued a statement that he was considered inadequate and incompetent to speak or defend himself and had exed himself from the establishment's world. He's like, you won't let me speak for myself.

I'm not going to be one of your little chess pieces. He said, Your Honor, everybody's got something to hide except for me and my monkey. I arrest my case. And they're like, and he's a free man still to this day. Just because of that. Yeah, they're like, we've got no comeback. The defence rests. So he's carved an X into his head.

Over the following weekend, the female defendants duplicated the mark on their own foreheads, as did most family members within another day or so. Years later, he turned his into a swastika, so, you know, you've still got things to look forward to, Dave. Oh, fuck, no. Oh, it's so good. But then years after that, he turned it into a little house.

A chimney Yeah, it's nice A little picket fence at the time I might Sounds much more appealing I might kind of wrap up With a few Sort of weird things

So just in terms of like His followers So during the trial Family members loitered Near the entrances And corridors of the courthouse To keep them out of the courtroom The prosecution subpoenaed them

As prospective witnesses Who would not be able to enter While others were testifying When the group itself established a vigil on the sidewalk. Some members wore a sheathed hunting knife. They were just holding knives and they all had the X on their foreheads.

They're just like holding hunting knives, which is much makes sense. Some family members attempted to dissuade witnesses from testifying. Prosecution witness Paul Watkins and Juan Flynn were both threatened. Watkins was badly burned in a suspicious fire in his vows.

former family member Barbara Hoyt who had overheard Susan Atkins describing the tape murders to another family member Ruth Ann Moorehouse agreed to accompany Ruth to Hawaii I was like yeah cool let's go to Hawaii and then Moorhouse gave her a hamburger

spiked with several doses of LSD to try and like silence her or probably try to kill her she was found sprawled on the Honolulu curb been a drugged stupor was taken to hospital. But then, like, I don't think she kind of went on to... Great things. Yeah, to do much.

Oh, I don't think she, like, went on to be a witness in the case or anything because... Super creepy. Super, super, super creepy. On October 5, Manson was denied the court's permission to question a prosecution witness whom the defence attorney had declined to cross-examine. So he's like, oh, I'll do it. If you won't talk to her, I will. Sit down, Charles.

He's just a terrifying person. So he's sort of become like, he's like a really fascinating. People are obsessed with him, are fascinated by him. There's still, to this day, he's 80 years old and in prison and is still, like, there's still articles written about him in interviews. And I was reading one interview in like Rolling Stone where this young girl, who's like 24 and like had had a really good upbringing like quite a Christian upbringing as well but was now like living at the his ranch still he was Christian too aren't you saying yeah he believed

he was he believed he was so maybe that makes sense he still has a ranch that people live at he still has like followers and she visits him every weekend and they spend like five hours together and she has a swastika or not swastika but she has like the ex mark oh my might be swastika ex mark in head and stuff like that. It's still. And she's like, she's like 25 and he's 80 and it's fascinating and terrifying. And I obviously do not have any fun facts.

Right, but he's still in jail. Who's in jail forever? Yeah, yeah. So they were given, they were all given the death penalty, but then the death penalty was taken away. So there's like life sentences. So any, like five of them were all convicted and life sentences.

Are they all still kicking? I'm not sure, actually. I'm not sure if they were like. I don't know any of the other names. No. Manson definitely is, but yeah. Casabian. It's interesting.

I didn't know that about the Casabian. Yeah, I read that this morning. I was like, oh, that's kind of weird. Yeah, weird choice. There's, um, in, like, there's a couple of famous interviews. There's one that was, like, in 1989, uh, Nicholas Shrek conducted an interview with Manson, um, and he cut the interview up as part of, like, a, um, a documentary called Charles Manson's Superstar.

And he concluded that Manson was not insane, but merely acting. that way, out of frustration. Oh, yeah. You know what I do when I'm frustrated? I plan murdering heaps of people. It's not a weird cult. Fun, fun meanings in places that they're definitely out of meaning. They're definitely not there.

Hell to skilter. Doa, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Helter scouter. What's that? What's that, John? Not pricing. So that was a bit of a weird one, but... That is, and at the end of that, I've decided to withdraw

my aspirations of becoming a cult leader. Yeah, I think that's fair. But, probably not the best aspirations to have. Well, I mean, you know. I like certain elements of it, just like hanging out. Yeah. I like the sense of community. The community feel.

I also really like my own space, though. I think I probably prefer to start like a book club or something. Yeah, that's really right. Meet once a week, once a month. Or even, you know, yeah, bi-monthly or. Yeah, that'd be fine. By annually even. I like a lot of my own time.

Yeah, yeah. just a couple of times a year. Yeah. And it takes me a lot of read a novel. At Christmas. Yeah. I mean, that's probably what I do with my relatives, really. Yeah.

We meet out once a year at Christmas and her own little cult. Yeah, no, I think it's just a family. Yeah. Although they were the Manson family. Wow. Wow. I'm part of a family. I see a little too much myself in the man.

But not the Nazi stuff. Interesting. Interesting that you feel the need to take that out. Anyway, Corey, thank you for your suggestion. Yeah, you've ruined my day. Curry, Caveman. Caveman, Curry. Thanks for listening.

Yeah, thank you. Thanks, Corey. Thanks for the suggestion. So that's only come through once. I thought that might have been a multi-suggest. There's definitely another one that was like, more serial killers, or I like the killer episodes. There's multiple killer people out there. So far, is it, have you guys have done any, because I've done H.H. H. H. H. H. H. H. H. H. H.

I'm not into it, really. Am I'm not into it, really? Am I'm the sick one in this group? I think so. But I'm glad you're doing it because you're sort of appeasing. Like, I feel like that that's a reason for a crazy person to kill us is not talking about killers. Right. You feel like?

Just does the killers. Every three months you bring one in. Oh, thank God. Dave does the mysteries. Yeah. What do you do? I do the frivolous thing. Elvis last week.

You're so frivolous. No, Matt does the ambitious ones from the hat. You pick a topic and then halfway through, go, oh. Yeah. Mine are normally just plucked out of the hat. Flucked. You're at random. I love it.

I really don't. want to pluck out of the sea i don't think i want to get like yeah what you've had to do just delve into it i'm i'm not keen on that at all would you prefer to is that the only time you'll put a topic back in the hat as if it's too brutal i never put them back in never put them back never go back never go back the hat the hat rules well if you want to get in the hat of course you can contribute your serial killers and other interesting ideas that we could do topics on Yeah, give us some non-serial killer ideas. Yeah, that'd be great.

We've got enough in the hat. Mystery ones are the best. Mysteries are cool. But then we'll just be a mystery podcast. Which is cool. But I really want Dave to do the fucking Simpsons. Well, it's the biggest mystery of all. Will Dave do the Simpsons?

Oh. At Twitter, we are on there, of course, at Do Go On Pod. And we also tweet out photos and other silly little things that we also do in our Facebook page. So it's worth getting involved and following us there. It's worth it. It's definitely is. Oh, yeah. Well worth it.

Worth the click. There's some fire content. It's not just, hey, here's the new episode. There's some other little silly things that we do in there. Yeah. Yeah, and things that we mention on the episode, we often do remember to post the photos of. It's like we're building a little community.

Oh, no. Like a little cult that we could move to a ranch somewhere. Ohio. It'd have to be Ohio. Yeah. It has to be Ohio. Ohio, start looking out for some ranches. It's rather if you could sort of link us to any.

ranchers that are for rent, that would be great. Do go on pot at gmail.com is the other thing you can get in contact with us. Or you could just say hello to us on the street. Don't do that. We are very socially awkward. I'm jumping. Oh dear.

Stabbed another listener. Oh, God. I also carry a hunting guy. I think it's okay to say hello to Dave in the street. I don't know if at the end of this serial episode I want to do it, but I'm doing a fringe show this week. Tonight would have been Today's the third one

You're listening to the day it comes out on Wednesday Where can we see it, Matt? That's what we're all wanting to know It's on 8.30 nightly At the courthouse hotel Which is a cool pub in North Melbourne Got a lot of nice beers on tap And they do cocktails

If I sell out a show They'll name a cocktail after me For the run of the show Oh, that's cool Which hopefully I'll do one night They did not do that last year No this is a new It's a new thing.

I think you should ask to call it the Manson family Mojito. No, I don't think so. Or the do-go-on-garita. I think it's going to be named after the show, which is called Pretty Dry. So I'm pretty sure it's going to be a pretty dry-minty. But that's okay. That's great. Yeah, you guys are going to come one night, right?

We definitely are. That's going to be fun. But once again, do not talk to us in real life. Oh, God, don't. If you do, even if you do, like, audience participation with us, I'll get up and kill you. I'm going to chat to you guys, for sure. Speaking of which, how good was that tweet or Facebook commented, someone said that they thought my voice doesn't match my face. It was on first date with Jess.

Oh, yeah, Jess is a big surfer. They said, sound like a six-foot-tall Australian surfer guy. One of those is right. So come and meet me in real person. Australian guy. Australian, that's right. And yeah, come meet Dave and be bitterly disappointed. That's right.

I'm a small, small man. We talk about that a lot. No, we do a lot. We do talk about my... But maybe they think we're being ironic. We're not. He's small. He's little.

Yeah. I'm in the corner. Let's get out of here. Yeah. Thanks listening, guys, and we'll see you or you'll hear from us next week. For the big 50th. Oh. We're not doing anything special.

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