Do Go On - 492 - The New York Zodiac Killer

Episode Date: March 26, 2025

At the scene of a New York City shooting in 1990, an eerie note was found by the victim that simply read "Zodiac - Time to die!" This week we are joined by friend of the show Rhys Nicholson to hear the story of the New York Zodiac Killer!This is a comedy/history podcast, the report begins at approximately 7.24 (though as always, we go off on tangents throughout the report).For all our important links: https://linktr.ee/dogoonpod Check out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Who Knew It with Matt Stewart: https://play.acast.com/s/who-knew-it-with-matt-stewart/Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasDo Go On acknowledges the traditional owners of the land we record on, the Wurundjeri people, in the Kulin nation. We pay our respects to elders, past and present. REFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:Netflix’s Catching Killers Night Terror: New York Zodiachttps://www.insideedition.com/how-astrology-inspired-the-new-york-zodiac-killer-and-proved-to-be-part-of-his-undoing-88230https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/zodiac-killer-new-york-caught-b2368470.htmlhttps://www.thetruecrimedatabase.com/case_file/heriberto-seda/https://www.nytimes.com/1996/06/20/nyregion/trail-zodiac-overview-police-say-zodiac-suspect-admits-attacks-that-killed-3.htmlhttps://www.nytimes.com/1990/07/09/nyregion/in-the-zodiac-case-still-more-riddles-than-clues.htmlhttps://www.crimelibrary.org/serial_killers/weird/seda/index_1.htmlhttps://www.forensicfilesfiles.com/new-york-zodiac-killer-heriberto-eddie-seda.php Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Melbourne and Canada, we got exciting news for you. And we should also say this is 2026. Jess, what year is it? 2026. Thank God you're here. Right now, I'm in Melbourne doing my show with Serengy Amarna 630 each night at the Cooper's Inn Hotel, having so much fun. We'd love to see you there. Canada, we are visiting you in September this year.

If you've somehow missed the news, we are heading up Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal and Toronto for shows. That's going to be so much fun. Tickets for all this stuff, I believe, are online. And I'm here too. And welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Devornikey and as always I'm here with Matt Stewart. Hello, Matt. Hello, Dave.

Hello. So it's a new interview format. And joining us to join the interview this week. It's Reese Nicholson. Hey! Hello! Long-time listener, first-time caller. Oh my goodness.

You actually listen to the show. I do. I'm a big old fan. I listen every week. That is so nice. I can't wait to find out what Wikipedia is. Those are the end of my references. It's pretty good.

Can I ask you a quick question then? Sure. How good is it to be alive? I'd rather die. I know, what is it? How does she fade? Well, I think that's a fresh take on an old classic. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

I'd rather die. Those are the binaries alive or dead. I'd rather... No, what is the shit? Why am I blanking on what she says? I can't remember. It's something like... I wish...

I wish I was never born. I wish I was never born. Sorry. I wish I was never born. Are we like to say what Jess is doing? No. Probably not. No, okay.

Never mind. But now it sounds so mysterious, which is one. She's fine. She's fine. Nothing to report. She's fine. She's fine. She's fine.

She's fine. You've been doing that to me for years. So I was not doing it. Well, she's fine. Hey, do you reckon, Reese, if you have listened before, you could probably explain how the show works then. Okay. So, uh, someone has written about like a year 10, uh, book.

report about something and we're not going to talk over it and do shit riffs. Shit riffs? Yeah, dog shit riffs. Yeah. And now it's just going to be, we're just going to listen and it's not going to take three hours. I've been told that. I made the mistake of saying I do not have a hard out.

Yeah, and then you're like, I'd be good to be done. I'd be good by three and a half hours. Which is, like, is it? I was saying off air, I feel like I know who did the report by the length of the episode. And I feel like now finding out once I've gotten here who's doing the report. Maybe I should say, I do have a three hour hardout. Yeah, I was like, you're saying three and I was like, no, no, no, no, no. Please give us a hard out.

Yeah. 20 minutes. I have 20 minutes. As soon as you said no hard out, Dave, like, he went back in his chair and was so, he went from almost pressing record to go on, well, let's talk. What have you been up to? What are we doing? Save it for the part out.

The man can chat. But the... That's coming from Matt. Yeah. He's telling me that I can chat. Well, you know what? Remember if he can. My episodes are long because you and Jess are chatting while I'm trying to tell a story.

This is fucking tense. That's actually a pretty good point. Yeah. That's a good point. All right. So we always start with a question with Tresia. You know that. Yes.

But it's Matt asking the question because it's your topic this week. What's your question? Well, I think this is normally geography is. Dave's strong suit, because Jess isn't big on geography, but, Reese, you're a big traveller. Yeah, sure. This is a battle of two tartans of the field of geography. And by travel, do you mean I tour for comedy, so I've seen some of the best westerns

of the world. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Some of the best Westerns. Some of the best best Westerns. Yeah, no, I think so, but I'm pretty sure you've both been to this place. All right. So, I'm going to ask, what city has these nicknames?

names. You can jump in any point. The melting pot. The center of the universe. Oh, I mean. The capital of the world. New York City. Correct. Yeah. The melting pot. Yeah. Well, I won't, within the next three years. I feel like that's going to change. I went straight to Gary, Indiana because of the symbol of the melting steel. They do it. Yeah. Their logo is a melting pot. Yeah, it is. So that really threw me up. Being tipped onto the, world. And having been to Indiana, I don't know if it's much of a melting pot. I wouldn't describe it at the melting pot unless it was like a Bechamel sauce. They've got, there's a lot of different nicknames. The Big Apple's probably the most famous one. Well, you're going to get to

that if we really, we really, yeah, the big apple is the fine on. Yeah. The city that never sleeps. The city so nice, they named it twice. Um, the five boroughs. Metropolis, Gotham. It's got heaps. The greatest shitty in the world, which is. Is Gothel? Gotham, like, Gotham is New York. What's Metropolis? Also New York, I think. Also, or like... But yeah, they're like two, they're in, they're both exist in the same, you know, oh, this is going to...

They should have been like an L.A. Metropolis should have been L'A. Yeah. So all the superheroes are douchebags. But very well, very well, douchebags with wonderful skin. Hello to our La La La Land listeners. Yeah. Hello to all our douchebags.

They know what they are. Yeah. So, anyway, Today's episode is based in the city of New York. Wow. So we have been there. And, Ries, you would have two of them any times. Yes.

I'm an American citizen. Yes, I found this out when you posted a photo of you've got a US passport. I got a, my dad's American. I got a US passport. Not as useful as it used to be. I'll say. You stopped posting that on this show? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I would have liked it a lot more 15, 20, 30, 40 years ago. But, no, it's, I'm. I would prefer a European one. But so if there's any, I've married, I've married other people before, if anyone, you married to European royalty or? No, I'd just like to, I would, I would like to, I feel like I'd use the British one a little bit more, surely. I feel like you guys are the same.

Because, like, I know that you, you want a tour America and it's a fucking nightmare to tour that place. It's really hard, yeah. It's really hard. And I, like, was going to ask you for advice and then you, you actually wrote a beautiful letter for us, which is very, very helpful, which I appreciate that. But yeah. And then I realized that you can just go anytime like the cause of the past.

Yeah, I just go. When my husband and I travel there, they, we have to go in different lines. And sometimes it will be like an hour wait as I just wandered through. They offer me drugs as I go through. Oh, welcome back. Oh, here are your slippers and your gun. Yeah, I don't know. It's that funny thing with America, isn't it?

Where I do love America. I did a little tour there last year. And it was great. And I love it so much. But then everything about the news is like, it's bad. Don't go there. to live in New York as well, so I've spent quite a bit of time there. But New York, it's separate to America, surely. Yeah. Yeah, well, um, if you think, if you think things are bad,

uh-oh. This is, this isn't a happy report. Are we doing September 11? Is that what we're doing? No. Have I come to do this podcast, the podcast that I love on what is the last episode. No, yeah, that's why we got, we made sure we got an American citizen on. Yeah. So it gives us a past to make the jokes. Yeah. Which we would never make. No, no, that's not the topic today. The listeners already know the topic, so let's just get stuck into it.

Sure. On the 31st of May, 1990, a 78-year-old retiree named Joseph Prochie was shot in Queens. That's one of the boroughs. Yeah, it is. One of the top five. Yeah. One of my top five. How do you rank them?

Yeah, right. Let's go. One. Oh, wait, do we want to start at five? Yeah, you got to count them up. We'd do it like famous New York show. Oh, the look of fear in your eyes. The top five list, Letterman.

The Bronx? Staten Island. Isn't that famously the lowest? Yeah, yeah. The fair is bad. Oh, I thought you could put that at one. I mean, that's where I would put it. Yeah, sorry, you were going society rules, not you.

Yeah. What's your five? Oh, okay. Top five in any order. Staten Island, Staten Island, Bronx, Manhattan, Queens, and Brooklyn. That's good. Yeah. And so you've put Manhattan at number three.

In any order. In any order. Okay. All right. I knew in the any order you did was least or most preferred. Yeah. So this man got shot in Queens. It got shot in Queens.

Flushing queens? Flashing queens. Was he there to sell makeup? Oh, it was a crushing saint. It really would have been. My God. So, Detective Mike Chirovolo attended the crime. I'm saying that night.

He remembers, quote, a detective picked up Prochie's coat and he shook it, and a bullet fell down onto the concrete steps. The bullet had passed through Joe Prochie, and had come to rest in his heavy coat. He were tired. Yeah. The bullet was tired.

Oh, my God. You know how fast I was going? He's killed this man. But do you think it's the thing that cops do where they just shake evidence? Yeah. Just pick stuff up and give it a good shake? I do feel like I wouldn't see.

much of like detective Gorin and aims in criminal intent, just shaking a corpse to see what happens. We'll see what falls out. Oh, false teeth. Okay. They would just say they were looking for change or something. They wanted to buy a newspaper from one of the vending machines. Trevello continues. That's the detective.

Once we're able to interview him, he survived. He said that he was out for his nightly walk. The shooter followed him. He told him, get away from me. I don't have any money. And that's when he got shot. It was dark, his eyesight was not good, he couldn't tell us what the perpetrator looked like, so it wasn't really helpful.

It's so funny to be like, this guy, this victim. Oh, my God. I've been mugged three times. Really? Yeah. And you are. Yeah. I'm a very, I'm open to the universe.

And one of the times I got mugged a block away from a police station, and it was a very polite mugging, and I had to go in to the police station. And there was a little bit of that vibe. I mean, also ACAP, but went in and the cops, I was like, hi, I just got mugged like five minutes ago. And they were like, where? And I was showing them on the map like there. And they're like, around the corner.

And they were like kind of laughing about it. I was like, yeah, I got mugged looking at a police station. Yeah, where were you? Yeah. We're eating donuts. Yeah. Was this an American one? No, Australian.

So they might have been having like a. Probably having like vegamite. Finger bun. A chint. Easy might scroll. Yeah. Baker's Delight or something from Michelle's Petissary. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Rest in peace. Valet. What a way to find out. Is that true? Yeah, yeah, they're off. Where are the elderly going to sit now during the day next to a Kmart? Coffee Club. Yeah, true.

They've got options. Yeah, coffee club. Maybe this is Starbucks's chance to really break into Australia. Yeah, that's right. I never worked here. It's either. No. I think it was Michelle's Petituary that I used to live with someone and her parents lived

next door to the founder, man. maybe, and that they had a tennis court where the, which was also the entrance to the garage and it would lift up sort of Thunderbird style and they could drive their cars into there of whatever, 14 car garage. Out of the tennis court. Yeah. Michelle. Michelle did well for a while there.

Well, I love Michelle in the wintertime. I love Michelle. Anyone remember that from the 90s? No, just me. Newcastle. There was an ad that was like, I love Michelle in the wintertime. I love Michelle in the spring. And it was just a picture of bad looking cakes.

And is it for Michelle's position for any? Yes. No, it wasn't just an ad for a woman called Michelle. A local ad. I love my wife, Michelle. That's a, Glenn's doing an ad about his wife, Michelle. I've got extra money. This is a happy anniversary, baby.

When summer comes around, I hate Michelle. Michelle, she broke my heart. That's a song about Paris normally, isn't it? Yeah, probably. I love Paris in the wintertime. I love Paris in the spring. Which I think was big in the non. as well because of a Kevin Klein movie. Doesn't matter. Um, my parents out the soundtrack. Doesn't matter.

I think it could have been Ferguson Player that I'm thinking about the tennis club. I love Ferguson. Which my dad calls Ferguson Plaro, which I love. What's Ferguson Player? Well, it's like, it's similar. To Michelle's, they sell, but they do very good pies. Is it, yeah, some brand. Fantastic. Is it Victoria exclusive? Oh, maybe. Oh, oh. I always thought it sounded quite French, Ferguson in Clare, but... Same with Michelle. What? Paris, Melbourne, a place of alleyways and coffee.

Well, there's also the end of one of the streets in Melbourne that is a Paris end. I forget which one. You haven't come across that in your few years living here? Nah. There's a, yeah, they... I don't walk around. I don't look at it. The Paris end of Collins Street, am I goodness.

Like, some people will tell it, say it to you seriously like, oh, yeah, you should check out the Paris end. Is it called that because it is closer to Paris? I think that must be. Yeah, yeah. Just a slightly north. It's the north end of the street. Like, there's, like that's the Paris end of this studio. Technically, like there.

I think there maybe there's a Prada out there or some sort of Paris place. There's one Chanel and they go, ooh, Paris in. Oh, you got to check out the Antarctic end of Cullen Street. It's beautiful. This time of view. Oh, my God. It's not as cold as you'd think. Oh, anyway, we haven't got.

far in. Now, this is definitely going on the, this is going to go. Yeah, yeah, we're going to do it. It's going to happen. And you're both going to blame me. Yeah. But I mean, come on. What takes the longest is the dog shit rifts? I have actually already noticed so many times you try to get it back on track. So like, respect to you, it is definitely just and me who are. Okay. I'll shut the fuck up then. Jesus day. Just me to blame. Never blame the guest. Okay. Sorry. Never blame. I act up. I'm pretty sure. I've got a parisocial relationship with this podcast and I've forgotten that we're not family.

You're yelling at your iPod from inside the iPod. Yeah. I've got an iPod. So, so yes. Anyway. Someone's been shot. And then Chirovolo's sort of turn on like, who's hopeless.

Useless witness. No, good. The shooting wasn't particularly out of the ordinary. This is New York City in 1990. And during that 12-month period, apparently there were 212,000 violent crimes reported. Pre-Juliani. $212,000.

Yes. Is that possible? Giuliani gets a brief reference later. Is that? I couldn't get my head around it, but this is according to DisasterCenter.com. And it was a pretty official looking graph. It feels like that, how did that affect the population? That's unbelievable.

That's wild. It's like six or seven hundred every day. Yeah. What's the population of New York City? Apologize for that. It is a loose time in history that. time in your, like, there's a story, there's a movie called Paris is Burning, while you look that up or so, there's a movie called Paris is Burning that's kind of about the ballroom scene,

like a kind of queer, like, vogueing, yeah. And there's a person in that documentary called Dorian Corey, who was like a kind of famous, they called them like house mothers. And she's in it a lot and she's a really fascinating person. Anyways, when she died, they were going through the back of her closet. And they found, in a steamer trunk, a mummified dead man. And it was this guy that had, the theories that this guy broke in. into her house and she shot him and was like, well, it's the mid and early 90s and I'm a

queer person. I'm going to go to jail for this. So I'm going to wrap him up in some dunas and put him in the back of my closet and not worry about it. And he'd been there for like 10 years. Wow. Because it was New York in the 90s, people were like, that guy just disappeared and they're like, ah, probably murdered. That guy disappeared. That apartment smells a bit funny. Ah, well. It's New York. Yeah. Apparently 7.3 million. So what's that? time. It's still a pretty big chunk, but it's, you know, it's not every other person. Yeah.

It just seems crazy. And there's a violent crime. Yes, exactly. Chances are, it's only a few of us. And you know what's crazy? Three people did all of them. And we're talking about one of them today. Oh, the penguin.

That's, we will get to the penguin. He's still at the Antarctic end of New York. So, yeah. Over 200,000 violent crimes. They're like, to shooting, the guys survive. It's not a high priority. There's so many murders happening. But what made this crime scene stand out to detective Chirovolo?

I want to call him Mike because every time I look at his name, I have to go, all right, stop, have a think. Yeah. Try and pronounce. Sounds like a delicious treat for Michelle's pittisserie. Oh, one truolo, please. Make it two. Yeah.

Twa. So at the scene, Trevolo says he finds a cryptic, eerie note. Did it like fall out of the jacket pocket? He shook it? Yeah. Would you say it was a riddle? Oh, my God. Jim Carrey killed this man.

Somebody stopped him. What's this buffoonery? But he... on the top left of the note was a circle with a cross through it like a cross hair and on the top right was a circle with three slices of pie drawn into it each with a different symbol I'm listening and then it's all coming together it's a picture of you love pies and oh no Dave we've finally cracked this cat

The greatest culmination of the entire history of this podcast was one of you finding out that the other one was a serial killer and revealing it on the podcast of like, here's a story of a famous serial killer around Melbourne in the last 30 years. Anyways, all right, you got me. And then, yeah, the note simply reads, Zodiac, Time to Die. Oh, what? They're back? Yeah, well, the Zodiac killings. They're infamous, right? Yes.

We covered them way back on episode 65. but here's a quick recap. They curb between 1968 and 1969. And according to Zodiac Chronic... You do listen. Crona Club, Drew H. Beeson. I like how you're claiming that as something you'd need. You know, the podcast, you guys invented it.

We didn't invent it, but it's also that we would stop on any date. And I appreciate it that Reese brought up. Yeah. But you guys did invent the position 69. Yes. Oh, my God. I've invented so many sexual positions on my own. That was a nice of skateboard.

They were like, let's do some... Because you're famously a massive slut. So, sluttie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Stutty. Slatie. Am I saying that right? Yeah.

So this is according to Zodiac Chronicle, Drew H. Beeson. The Zodiac killings were crimes that occurred in Northern California. It was a very complex set of crimes involved five deaths and two survivors. It was a very strange set of murders and involved letters to newspapers. It also involved ciphers, which were messages hidden in cryptic codes, and it became the most notorious unsolved mystery in American history. The last confirmed notice we got from the San Francisco Zodiac was in 1974 in what's known as the Exorcist letter.

That's called a Beeson, which means that if this was the same killer, there had been a period of 16 years between letters. Detective Chirovolo noticed the similarities, and it's amazing that he, yeah, 16 years, and he's still like, Zoddy, there was another one of these. How about this? Could that be the same guy? So he contacted the lab,

the crime lab in San Francisco to get a comparison between the handwriting. Could it be that this is the original Zodiac resurfacing on the East Coast of America after 16 years? Well, no. According to... Oh, okay.

Thanks for me, everyone. Should we be disappointed? It was Jack the Ripper. Yeah. Oh. I did. I thought about holding that back longer, but I'm like, I think most people will know that we did our episode about it after 1990, and we probably would have mentioned.

Yeah. And also, it just would have come up. Like, every time there's a documentary on, like, I was going to say Fox still or something, but it's always like the mystery of the Zodiac killer or the mystery. And you watch to the end as if they're going to tell you what happened in the... I feel like this would have hit the news. Yeah, exactly. So, according to Trevolo, I got a call from the detectives in San Francisco and they let us know,

this is a copycat. This is not our zodiac. The handwriting didn't match up at all. Weird thing to be territorial about. This is ours. Get your own. We pissed on the serial killer, so you can't have it. A couple of weeks later, Trevolo is told the police have been sent another letter via the New York Post.

So the New York Post has been sent a letter by a... The New York Zodiac Killer Shooter at this point. And the New York Post is kind of the shit one, right? Yeah, I think it's one of the Murdoch. It's the tabloid one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I don't know this for sure, but it's the kind of one that might talk about alien abductions on the cover. Great. They want the truth. Yeah, I appreciate that. It might be, is it their version of the Northern Territory News? Yeah, maybe. Left crocodile based.

Yeah. Yeah. Yes, less kangaroo is fucking a pig. Yeah, I wonder what their version is. Probably squirrels. Squirrels fucking a pig.

That's harder to do. Although, what a front page. You see a crocodile in the center of New York City. That's a thing. Yeah, yeah. I'm clicking on that. So this note reads,

this is the zodiac. The 12 sign will die when the belts in the heaven are seen. The first sign is, dead on March 8, 1990, 145am, white man with cane, shoot on the back in the street. The second sign is dead on March 29, 1990, 257 a.m. White man with black coat. Shoot on the back in the street. The third sign is dead on May 31, 1990, 204 a.m. White old man with cane, shoot in front of house. I'm no, New York, the city that never sleeps. Old people with canes really wandering up and down the street at 2 a.m. frequently.

That's setting yourself a hard target if you're a serial killer. I get, and how, yeah, if he, maybe he sells canes and so he knows he's got like a database of all the people. Or he's got the cane as a props. He's an old man. Hey, hey, throw it to them. Oh, my God. This is sounding like the penguin again. If there's one thing I know about old men as well, you throw a cane at them.

They catch a lot. Yeah, yeah. They start doing a little tap down and twirl it. I also, that it was very beat. poetry that like I really wanted like a I j can you add in that in post and do it with my lift that works really well

it kind of gives it a bit of a yeah it signed off even though at the start it says this is the zodiac he signs off faust and then it says no more games pigs and then it says all shoot in Brooklyn no grooves in bullet

and that's the note. You can see it here. Oh. Oh, right. It's got some of the diagrams going up top, like you said. It's got the zodiac symbol. It does look like the type of you're on a phone call and you're taking some notes and also just doing some doodles up in the corner. No one will say.

Like drawing a box and then putting like a little frill around it and then like, it's a very, um, I mean, it just sounds like maybe someone speaking English as a second language, right? Could be. Shoot on the back, was it? Shoot on the back. Yes. Or you're just someone trying not to use anything. You know, when you wonder, you go, is it someone using their left hand and purposely, you know, like, you're keeping it vague. Because you don't want to be caught.

But you're taunting. Calling them pigs. Oh, root. Squirrels and pigs? Squirrels and pigs. A squirrel fucking a cop. What could a whole mean? New York City.

So, yeah, there's a bit, a bit to go through here, I would say. Okay. All right. Firstly, the note mentions three murders. At this point, they're only aware of one. Sorry, I've got to, is this not predicting murders? No, the third one. These dates have already passed. The, the dates have already passed.

Gotcha. And the third one is Prochi, the old, the old fellow who had the coach shaken out. Oh. So, and that isn't even a murder. he's in hospital. He's not doing great, but he's alive. And the details of that third victim match perfectly, note for note. Right.

They're looking for two other potential victims. Exactly. And then the other, I'll get back to that in a second. And then the other thing is it signed off as Faust. Hmm. The devil. Yeah, the Faustian pact thing. Apparently, I'd only knew of the Faustian pact is like the idea of making a deal with the devil, right?

Is that right? Yeah, is that the guy that went down? down to Georgia and made a deal with the devil? I think he went to the crossroads. It was, so this is according to Britannica. I was really hoping Dave would just pick this up as a book guy. But he, no, I'm not, I didn't mean. No, I didn't mean it like that.

I was not. Took one look at you and thought, never read a book. That is not what I meant. I've dreamed of coming on this podcast for so long. And what I'll. To be treated this way. What I was trying to say was, There was, Dave gave me nothing is what I was saying.

I said the devil. Please spit on me. Yeah. This is a golden of Britannica. There's a girter and all that sort of stuff. Fouc is the hero. I don't know. I don't read.

One of the most durable legends in Western folklore and literature. The story of a German necromancer and astrologer who sells his soul to the devil in exchange for knowledge and power. Apparently there were maybe up to two real Fausts. Mm-hmm. Up to two. Up to two. At least one.

Up to two. At least one, but it could be zero. No. It could be zero. Could be zero. Up to. Up to and including. I love the term necromancer as well where they've tried to like give it a really cute name for what is someone fucking the dead.

Is that what necromancer is? I think necromancy is. Oh. Necromancer sounds like the bit before the necrophilia, doesn't it? Yeah. Where you're taking the dead body out for dinner? You got a wine and done. Yes.

And then rough them up in a duna back of the cupboard. Never to be thought of again. But what does necromancer mean? Oh, I'm looking at it. Doing spells and stuff with the dead. Is that right? Oh, it says a person who practices necromancy. Beautiful.

No further questions I assume? Too great drag names as well. Necronancy. And then it has an example. Dr. Faustus was a necromancer of the 16th century. All right. We're going around in circles. This gives us nothing.

Also called black magic. Oh, okay. Sorry, I went straight to fucking dead people. Apparently, it's from the ancient Greek word for corpse, necro and prophecy manse. Ah. Mancy is a nice name. Corpse prophecy. Beautiful language. Anyway, that's, that's, I don't know that route doesn't really come to anything.

It just shows that this. Oh, they signed off as faust. Yeah. Yeah. They sort of started by saying that they were the zodiac and ended by saying they were fowls. I forgot who they were. Um, yeah, so what could it all mean? Oh, the note also has no grooves in bullet.

Oh, yeah. Uh, bullets technically, usually grooved. I think, uh, for her pleasure. But the, um, they, um, they normally, uh, hey, let me let me let Chiravola explain. Thank you. He says, guns are unique. There's lands and grooves inside. So you can match bullets to the gun it was fired from.

Basically like they all almost have their individual finger. fingerprint, right? All right. So the problem with this generation? All guns are unique and interesting and smart. Snowflakes. Every bullets are bloody snowflake. Back in my day, bullets were fucking bullets.

When the bullet was tested at the lab, it was found to have no grooves, just as the note suggested. Something only the shooter would have known. And this meant that the shooter was probably using a zip gun, which Chiravolo describes, as a crude, homemade gun. It's basically a length of pipe. They're impossible to trace. It's just a piece of plumbing. Beeson says, that was actually pretty intelligent,

knowing that he would never be able to be linked to these guns. And did he say it in that tone? I should say, yeah. It's actually pretty intelligent. It does. It sounds so dismissive. That was actually pretty intelligent. This guy who is escaping any justice so far.

So Chirovolo notices. Hate. Oh, so far. Yeah, I don't want to give anything away one way or the other. So Chirovolo notices that the note writes on May 31st, white old man with cane shoot in front of house is Joe Prochie, but of course he also notices there are two other shootings prior to that. Oh, that's actually pretty smart, pretty intelligent to notice that.

Oh, he's a detective. You don't get that badge for nothing, okay? Yeah. Detective, necro detective. You got to fuck quite a lot. a few dead squirrels to get that bad. Detect romance. Detect romance.

Detect romance. That's really good. Thank you. We don't know why or how. It'll come around somewhere. So they go through all the murders in their records, but find no matches. Even if there's like 50,000 murders that occurred in the last 12 months. Well, there's probably not that many murders.

Okay. Just violent crimes. I don't want New York in 1990. 1990 getting a bad rap. It was a paradise. I mean, look, how many murders in New York 1990? That was the year I was born. I think it's...

I think it's like... Maybe we're reincarnation of dead New Yorkers. Maybe where one of the murder victims. Oh my God. Whoa. 2,245 murders. Yeah. How many?

What? 2,245 New York. This is, according to the Google AIO view, was the deadly. year for New York City in terms of murders. Do you know what, though? 2000. Like, it's heaps. But if we're painting the story of like, oh, this is, was the worst place on earth.

Yeah, it's only 1% of the violent crimes. Yeah. Because that these days, 2022, there was only 327. So it has gone down a lot. Like, grow up. Could have been worse. You're so disappointed. Yeah.

I thought it was going to be like 40,000 or something. Yeah. Like a, you know, a suburb. Yeah, yeah. I thought a suburb was going to be gone. We lost one of the boroughs. Yeah. There's no Queens anymore, everyone.

We killed everyone in Queens. Aw. Oh. Except for one, someone with a rent control department that's not moving. So, so to disappoint you. Yeah. But yeah, of the 2,200 murders, they're like, none of these match. No, these people with a guy with a cane.

What was the other one? Uh. Because it was two canes. So we've already had one cane. and then there was one with a black jacket or was that the same? Black coat, yeah. So.

It's hard to keep up with it because the letter was so confusing. Yeah. Like, I feel like I've retained no information. Yeah, there were, there were grooves. No grooves. I'll take you through it. I don't think you'll need to retain any of that particularly. Oh, okay.

That's basically gone. The whole show is like that. You walk out of here, it's gone. But we have fun. Yes. So, yeah, none of the murder. of this match, but then they're like, oh, well, he said this one was a murder and it wasn't. He still, the guy saw a lot.

So maybe the other ones also survived. His potato cannon gun didn't work. Spud gun. He's got a spud gun. He's got the deodorant can filling it up and then got the little barbecue ignition and they just shot a guy in the back with a potato. I was just about to say, geez, they've gone out of fashion, but no, I just don't hang around with teenage boys anymore.

Yeah. Not 13 anymore. Yeah, you're not like lighting, link. Africa on fire. You'd be crazy if you still were. Yeah. Which I am. Yeah.

Okay. Love my potato. My neighbours hate me. The quality really picked up when my brother and his mates all started apprenticeships and they could get like the quality lengths of pipe. Pipe. Pipe actually gluing it together properly. Yeah.

Duttepe. Suddenly you're down in Queens, shooting strangers. Oh, I've said too much. Exploding a whole suburb with your potato game. So, um, So they start going through the non-fatal shootings and bingo. They get matches for both. Bingo!

Will they like that? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the old guys with Keynes. That's where they were. That was far too loud. Sorry about that, everyone. They were leaving the bingo parlour. Yeah.

Two old men with canes. That's number hundred and something or other. I think it's 1001. 1001. Yeah. Because it's like one and then the cane and then one and then. in the can. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's an ultimate bingo. Yeah. So on March the 8th, 1990, according to Sal Bono, I'm going to quote a little bit writing for Inside Edition,

Mario Orosko was on his way home from his job washing dishes at a coffee shop when he was shot in the back by a man wearing a ski mask. And then apparently, uh, the gunman put the gun to his head. He's lying on the ground. That's like one of the main bits. But he shoots him in the back, goes down, gunman holds the gun to his head. He's like, hang, I'm just got to fill this canister up with links Africa. Give you a figure, screw the pack on.

All right, we're back, we're back. And according to the New York Times, since he didn't move, Orozco thinks the gunman thought he was dead, the victim then walked home, made a cup of coffee and called the police. But in my head, he has a sip of coffee and it, like, shoots out like a little, it's like, oh, I got to call the ambulance. It doesn't usually do that. Fill your cup up again?

Yeah, he's like, yeah, I'm not getting the caffeine hit that I need. Man, that guy's not going to sleep. This is, what, 2 a.m.? He's having a coffee? Yeah. It was crazy. Well, I guess. Crazy behavior.

He had to keep awake for the cops to come. Yeah, you don't want to be falling out, fallen asleep before the cops come for your attempted murder. That's embarrassing. They're banging on the door. You're standing asleep. Bleeding out. Bono continues. On March 29th, Germain Montefat.

Cedro, who was 33 at the time, was shot in the head. Oh. And in his side while in Jamaica, Queens, he too recovered from his injuries. What? So you're getting the vibe that this homemade gun isn't probably the most powerful and... But who gets shot in the head and survive? Yeah. Even with a potato.

Yeah. Which is what I am now imagining he's actually using. Like, I'm just under the... Yes. Or a yam. I am under the impression. Like, because movies tell me you get shot in the torso, you might survive, shot in the head. That's it.

That's it. That's, brain. Brain. That's where the brain is. Yeah, I guess must have, like, nicked, nick the skull. Oh, a bit of flesh wound. Yeah. Must have got one of the flesy bits.

Maybe I had jowls. But, like, wait. Yeah. I don't know. I find this very confusing. Yeah. He's not a bad murderer. Yes.

In that he's not murdered anyone yet. Yes. Yeah. But he thinks he has. He thinks he's three for three. Oh, my God. Because you would think, you think, I got a headshot. I'm done.

It's over. Main bit. Yeah. And then also the body as well got, oh my gosh. But then you see the news and then you got to look in the mirror before you go out to the next murder. You look in the mirror and you're like, you got this man. Yes, you got this. And you got to make sure.

And then the next one, he came up. I think they're dead. I won't shoot him in the head. I'll let him go. And then they got up. They got up and made a coffee. Yeah. Don't want a waste of potato.

Yeah, something about him then getting up and walking home to call the cops. If you're the attempted murderer, you're reading that, feeling really embarrassed. I've stuffed this up really badly. I think that's a good snapshot of New York in the 90s as well. You get shot and you're like, oh, boy, what a day. Better get home for a hot cup of Joe and wait for the pigs to come. And then the call the cops are like, you got shot? Yeah.

So did everyone. Yeah. Okay, take a number. I'm super busy tonight. Did you die? Did you die? Three potatoes got stolen from the corner shot near you. So,

Gervolo says, this guy's a serial shooter and he thinks he's killed him, but all three survived. You're not a serial killer. He's a serial shooter. God, that's embarrassing. We then realize his drawings on the pie slice coincides with the three correct astrological signs of the first three victims. Oh, so he sounds insufferable. Orozco, Montenegro, Prochi.

He had the Taurus. He had the score. And he had the Gemini. Oh, he knew their births? Somehow he knew their signs. Wow. They don't know how he knew, but somehow he knew. And these three people don't know each other.

No. Well, that's, okay, I'm back on. Yeah. This is crazy. Maybe he, maybe he does the horoscope. Yeah. Yeah. But you will get shot today.

Taurus. Every the next day, it's like, yeah, I live in New York. Yeah. We're all getting shot to happen. But luckily. no one dies or very few you'd be like yeah everyone gets shot yeah very few die

yeah like 2,000 or something yeah a blip in a whole year a blip chances are you're gonna be fine yeah what's that that is more than that's multiple a day though in one city people being murdered yeah but it's only 1% of the violent crimes yeah okay when you put it like that pretty good

this is a good podcast now because it's just three white male presenting people talking about like violence is fine I don't know what... Soon as the one woman on the show leaves, we're like, stop complaining. Well, I mean, you know Jess better than that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She'd be like, why are we even talking about this?

Yeah. Even, it's just showing that the criminal, they had a lot of criminals, but they were really bad. Or their heart wasn't really in it. Yeah, so they were seeing others and going, I guess this is what I do as well. Yeah. And then no one was actually properly. Yeah. Going through with it.

Yeah, being a serial killer anyway. Commit. Or die. Murder. So Chiravolo continues. So a lot of this I'm quoting, there's a Netflix documentary about it. So a lot of my Churavolo quotes I'm notating from the actual show.

It's great fun to watch him. There'll be a link to the show on the show notes. But Chiravola continues. He's like this guy, you know, those ones that they show a bit of them sitting down to be interview, a bit of the natural stuff. And someone behind the camera goes, oh, it's a nice suit. And he goes, yeah, the Taylor puts my name in it. And he opens his jacket and his name's written in it.

There's like, Zara. Weird nickname, I know. It's a nickname. I like it. Top man. But they also show. Well, this jacket's complimenting me. They show his, um, his high school yearbook.

And under his photo, it says, ambition police officer. So he was... A psycho. From a kid, he always... He always wanted to be... Always wanted to be a cop. Anyway, Chirovolo continues.

Now, I'm thinking there's 12 signs. He's got a game plan and his intent is to carry it out. How do we get this guy before there are more? Again, that note is brought down to the lab to try and get latent fingerprints off it. Were there prints on this? Answer, no. So he probably wore gloves. Again, detective.

God, he's good. He is good. Has he no? The New York Post plastered the letter on the front page story. Chivalos like saying, please don't post it. Give us more time. If we catch him, you can have the exclusive, but don't let everyone know, you know, some of the only information that we have secretly, you know.

Yeah. This is our only edge at this point. But yeah, put it on the front page and this put further pressure on the police to crack the case. Another letter came to light as well. It was sent through on the 17th November 1989, meaning it came through several months before the shootings. And this is what it said. This is the zodiac. The first sign is dead. Doesn't seem like there was anyone killed at this point, but anyway, the zodiac will kill the 12 signs in the belt when zodiacal light is seen. The zodiac will spread fear. I've seen. I've seen. I've seen.

seen a lot of police in Jamaica Avenue and Eldon Lane, but you are no good and will not get the Zodiac. Orion is the one that can stop Zodiac and the seven sister. And was that sent to the New York Post that one? And they just went, this is a crazy letter. That was sent of the cops. Oh, and they went ignore. Well, they looked into it and they couldn't, they couldn't figure out that, you know, apparently they get a lot of wacky letters and they're like, they looked in it and they're like, I guess this is just another. And he just themed the knot. Like, he themed. You don't want to meet him at a party. You know what I mean?

Like he's going to want to do like a reading for you and like, oh, I brought my, I brought my guitar by the way. Like that's who this guy is. You're building a profile. Yes. Right before my eyes. Yeah. I'm loving it. Looking for a guy carrying around a guitar and a potato gun.

He's always tuning it. What, what do you think in age and sort of like? I reckon, uh, like, uh, 36th. So he's come to turns with the fact that he's 35 and he's not pleased. Things have not led to where he wanted them to me. So he started to murder people to find purpose. I think 36 is to be about the age, men panic. Yeah, yeah.

It's classic midlife crisis age, you think? Yeah, yeah. 36, definitely white. And, yeah, so it was either this or a sports car. Yeah, yeah. And if you can't afford a sports car. Can't afford a sports. Not in New York 1990, the rent.

Yeah. And you know what's very affordable, spud guns. Yes. Just need a length of pipe. Links the utterance. And a barb you lighter. So there's all these references to the occult and astrology in his notes. And Trouvolo thought that, quote,

he writes about Orion, the Seven Sisters, the Belt in Heaven. So there's an aspect of this investigation that required some thought outside the proverbial box. Enter. Essentially sounds really smart. Yeah. If you think about it. Enter Detective Larry Melanesi. He was part of a team that would look into astrology, astronomy, witchcraft, all these

sorts of things. Oh my God, it's spooky molder. Oh. It is apparently, but like seeing him interviewed, he reminds me more of a, like, a De Niro character. He sort of has the mannerisms of De Niro. But yeah, it's like De Niro playing Mulder. Oh, my gosh. Imagine.

I'd love to see that. And if you're watching this on a clip, that was a dead on De Niro that we just saw as well. The lip moved the head bob. Hey. I didn't even attempt one. No, you did. Oh, your one.

Yes. No, Matt, you did. No, you did that. You did that. You did that. You did that. You did that. You were about to say,

are you talking to me? You're talking to me. There's no one else here. Why am I being bullied? I don't know. Jess isn't here. We're praising your acting. Yeah.

You've got the part. You're playing. Robert De Niro playing Foxmolder. One of the treacherous things about being gay is that sometimes you think you're just having a conversation with someone and you realize you're bullying. I think tonally that was fun. Oh, no, no. I was absolutely bullying. I just amissrated you in front of all your friends.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought that was banter. All in good fun. I think that's podcasting. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, apparently Milanese or De Niro Molder. Later said people would pejoratively call them things like

The Devil Desk and the Voodoo team. Wow. That doesn't, X-Files, they were getting a lot of flack from the other agencies. And this is in 1990? Is this pre-X-Files? That's just pre-X-Files. Jaffed. Jeez, I wonder.

Do you reckon that Chris Carter was ripped it off? I mean, it was inspired. Also, Voodoo Desk isn't that bad. No, I think both of them sound sick. Yeah. Voodoo desk, devil desk, voodoo team. It's great. I'd love these.

I'd see a band called that. Yeah. Welcome to the devil desk. How can I help you? So I was hoping to speak to the voodoo team, actually. Oh, I'll put you right through. So Melanasi and his team figured out there was a pattern. The shooter was operating on a 21-day cycle.

According to Milanesei, De Niro Molda, we had three shootings and these notes came in. They were all very detailed with times and dates and zodiac signs. We created a chart with the dates of the shootings. We had March 8th, March 29th and May 31st. What we could see was a 21 day cycle being followed here. We found out that the Parks Department had a very prestigious astronomer. Sorry, what were the dates? Yes, I can see you're right.

the first who are in 21 days and then there's a bit of a gap to the 31st. But I think that is, it's like some, it's a 21 multiple between the second and third. Oh, might be like a 40, 42. Or a 63. Oh my God. I forget people are listening to this on a recording. They can rewind back and check. They can just check.

I also love, I want my new phone tone to be you whispering. April, man. It was quite like, it was genuinely quite pleasant ASM. Okay. Yeah. Well, March best. This is the new sleep podcast.

Oh, great. Oh. That is good. That is powerful when it works on yourself. But I'm always tired. It does feel like statistically they are like clutching its draws out the first two, 21 dead's part. Well,

and the one after that, if you'd multiply 21 by three. Oh, Dave, Dave, Dave. You haven't heard the kicker. So back to Melanette. The kicker is, he wrote another letter. saying, I'm working on a 21-year cycle. I missed one in the middle. I'm sorry.

I'd take my mother to hospital. Oh, I've said too much. Don't check the hospital at course. Oh, no. So they had access to this great astronomer. And apparently, he laid it out. This is still Milanese. We found out that on March the 8th, three specific constellations were visible at the time of the shooting.

Seven sisters, Taurus and Orion. On March 29th, all three were visible at the time of the shooting. The next two 21 day periods, the stars were not in the sky at the same time. No shootings. Then on May the 31st, the third shooting, at 204 a.m., all the stars were in the sky. So we asked him, give us the next 21 days. Let's just see what's going on. And June 21st was when all three would be visible.

Whoa. All the arrows were pointing towards June 21st between 1 and 4 a.m. in the morning. I thought all the arrows are now pointing to that. Yeah. If this was Laura, if this was Lord and Order, it's him. Yeah, that's right. Sorry, Matt, you're coming with us. If this was Lauren Auto, as for your criminal intent, we would have met him early on in the episode. He would have helped. Yeah. And then we see him later on in the season and in the episode and all comes true. And I was like, oh, suddenly he seems way more creepy. And he's played by Martin Short or something. Like, anytime they're like, you meet someone at a super famous theater, you're like, it's them. Yeah. Why else? Why? They're not doing three lines at the start of an episode. They're not hidden to be the greengrocer. Yeah. So, yeah, so they're pretty confident.

That is cool. They know when the next one's going to happen. And they're like, this has never happened before. You can't normally predict. You can't normally say this is when it's going to happen. We just have to be there waiting. Problem is they're waiting in the city of New York. They think it's going to be somewhere in Queens or in, they reckon they know the general area.

So I can't remember It's got to be Queens, right? Yeah. I find you all confusing. Maybe it was because Brooklyn's also involved at some point. Look, you just got to go there enough times and it's just, it's a city of really open something.

You think, it was so overwhelming. And then one day you're like, this is my city. I think that about every city though. I still like, I've lived in Melbourne most of my life and I'm still like,

where where's that? I don't drive, so I don't know where anything is. Yeah, I don't connect anything together in my head. Nah. You're like, you get off at the train here. I've got this little bit mapped out. Yeah, yeah.

It's like an open world video game and you haven't opened up the whole map yet. Yeah. Those little bits where you can fast travel to places. It feels. Even though I don't know what that is you're talking about. He was nodding a lot. But I do think now I now understand open world video games. Yeah, like Red Dead redemption or something.

It's like a big open map. Gotcha, yeah, yeah. Like for you, you've spawned in the paramed. end of Colin Street. Yeah, and never left. No. You sleep in Chanel. Talk to me in battle toads terms.

It's like earthworm gym where... So I need to be going from left to right. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. But, you know, that, that is totally... It took me so long to realize that I thought both ends of the Melbourne block were... Oh, we're back to the... Okay, yep. ...at the same.

I thought Parliament... was on Spencer Street, which is like the exact opposite end. Yeah, but it's confused, yeah. But if I don't know why, but I had them both. So I'd go to Parliament sometimes. And I'm like, yeah, this is just,

obviously just down. Anyway, it doesn't matter. Should have just looked at a map. But did you think that Spencer Street was not on Spencer Street? It was on Spring Street back there. No, I thought Spencer Street Station was closer to Parliament. Okay.

I don't know. I always worry that Australians, I always worry that Australians we seem like kind of small compared to other. And then we're like, I don't understand how the train works. I don't know where it goes. It's in a loop. It's in a loop. I don't know.

I'm the same. I don't understand how anything works in this city, but I still still. Or the most, anytime I see a bus in Melbourne, I'm like, where's that going? Yeah, yeah. It says on the front. But it does. It's like, where are these people on a bus going? Yeah, yeah.

I've never seen people, like, you know what I mean? Like, this is a tram and train city. What the fuck is this bus you? I don't trust the bus. I never met a bus person. My God. But I grew up. I grew up amongst the buses.

Where are they going? Because you grow up outside the tram network. It's true. I did take a bus to school. I did. I'm othering the bus. Well, you grew up way outside of the tram network. Newcastle.

It's not even on the loop. So we'll be soon. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of building going on. The sprawl. Bullet train. What are we talking about?

We're talking about when the next murder. I still don't know. The next. Is it Queens? Is it brook? It's somewhere in one of the... It's in the boroughs. In the center of the universe. June 21st between 1 and 4 a.m. So they took this info to their boss, the chief of detectives, Joseph Borrelli. He was skeptical to say the least.

Oh, you can see that scene playing out as well. Yeah, yeah. He's like, my budget stretch, you can have two guys. I'll give you two guys. This is your last draw, spooky desk. I'll have your badge. Yeah. That's exactly how it was playing out.

But then they were like, someone's going to get shot tonight. And apparently that convinced him. He's like, yeah, it's New York. Yeah. We're all getting shot tonight. That's like a terrible Katie Perry song. We're all getting shot tonight. So, so yeah, Borelli goes, all right, you can have all the resources you need.

Wow. You really flip. Right, fine, bring in the army So they put together this task force called Operation Watchdog And Chirovolo calls these cops the best of the best They included this big balky looking guy

called Louis Savarese And he had in the interview He's like, yeah, I've got tattoos on my back And he lists his quote I have faces of serial killers I got Manson, Charlie Manson Berkowitz, got John Wayne Gacy, the clown.

And the theme was evil that men do. Without police, you have anarchy. Are you kidding me? I mean, you're fighting bad guys, you know? Part of my life, you know? So that's why I did it. You know, a part of my life? That's why I did it.

Okay, arrest this guy. He just said, that's why I did it. And he's got serial killers, had it on his back. Wrap it up, we've got him. That's a man who spent his life having to explain the serial killer tattoos with your back. He's in a constant state. I'm not defensive. I'm worshipping these guys.

Yeah. I caught these guys. This is, it's on my back so people only see it when I'm running away from them. What? And he brought it up. Like, they're not visible. Yeah, he's wearing a suit. So it was better though.

I thought the way called Charles Manson Charlie Manson. Charlie. Yeah, that's weird, man. Yeah. You know? And the theme was. The evil men do. It felt so defensive.

Well, I mean, why are we even talking about it? You brought it up. And also, no, Eileen Warren. sexist. Oh, that is so disappointing. Women can serial kill too. It's 2025, women have the right to murder. Wait, what? Um, so through the media, New Yorkers were warned that a killer was on the loose, choosing victims via their astrological signs. So, if you're a Tory and you're like, I'm off the hook already. I'm done. I'm invincible. No one can shoot me ever. But I'm up the other end. I'm a Virgo, I'm going, oh my God, I've got a couple of months, but not long.

Taurus, go out. Aquarians, stay in. Stay in. In a press conference, the police warned if any individual approaches them in any fashion and the subjects gets around to the date of birth, be extremely careful. And we would like to know about any incident like that that's happened. I haven't thought about how did he know the, like I just figured he must work in a place that has records or something. Oh, good one.

Like, he's like, I was going to say, maybe he's a nightclub bouncer. He's looking on IDs. Yeah. All the people have been like 70 year plus, so probably not getting ID'd. Probably not getting ID, but probably also not. If he asked, they'd be like, I don't fucking know. Yeah. Imagine asking a 78 year old in 1990, New York.

Hey, what's your star sign? Oh. Poor. I'm a Gemini rising. They generally, like, still to this day, they genuinely don't know how most of the star signs were figured out. Oh. They still, yeah, they're not sure. So, I don't know.

Maybe there was some sort of connection to a records facility. You might have busted this case wide open. Oh, my gosh. But I do love that they're like, if the conversation just happens to turn to your birthday, your birthday, your birthday, your star sign, call the police immediately. You're about to be shot. Which also, in, I feel like early 90s was a pretty star signy time, right? I reckon there was a lot of, like, you'd be on a date with someone. you'd be like, what's your sign?

Yeah. In the early 90s? Yeah, yeah. How early did you start dating, Russ? I never really, but dating, I didn't really do it, I don't think, because I feel like we don't date in Australia. No, that's a big, that feels LA. I think you, like, meet someone at a party.

Is that an L.A. thing? Yeah. Is that a doucheback thing? That's not what I've said. Do you meet? No, no, you said it. I think in Australia, you meet someone, you root them, and then at a certain. point you decide to keep rooting them. Yeah. Well, you do, yeah, you're like, well, at least in my community.

And by that I mean, uh, the East Coast of Australia. But you know, I mean, like, I don't think there's any kind of like, when I used to watch TV shows as a kid and they would do the, like, we're not exclusive, like where I'm going a date with this guy, but also I'm going on a date with this guy later. Like, Sex and the City made no sense to me for a lot of reasons. Yes. No, I think it's the same in my community. Yeah. Oh, I'm East Coast as well.

I think I meant the Paris. So, 21st of June, they are hitting the streets on mass trying to catch this guy. And people, there must be panicking the streets, right? Because the media is also reporting, it's this day. Yeah, like, you'd think hardly anyone would be out, but that wasn't the case. According to former assistant DA, Cheryl Ananya, there were done. Thousands and dozens of detectives assigned to try and find him. They flooded the streets in that neighborhood to see if in 21 days he would appear.

According to Savarese, this is the big bike you go with the tats. He's still justifying him. Well, I mean, I don't know if you, let's see what you think of this guy after this quote. He's sort of like being interviewed. He's kind of likable and fun, but some of the words you say out of context are like. Is he wearing an orange jump suit in the interview? No? He says,

That night, they put people together from individual precincts And we hunted the streets But now you got to say it's we canvass the streets, you know So, but we were hunting I was hunting, you know Who we were looking for? Nobody knows Could be a black guy, a white guy

A Spanish guy We tasked, questioned And frisked everyone who moved Oh, Jesus Christ And apparently there were hundreds of people out and about and anyone was out and about, they treated as if they were a killer. Which you can't do anymore. No.

We just wanted to see cats. This is the land of the free. Yeah, it's all on the... We're all just like, we all went to another place and of like, oh boy. It's not it never was. So there's that friskin stopping people on the street, being like, are you the killer? Cats would have been peaking then as well. Yeah.

This is high cats time. Oh my gosh. Jellicle cats as Jellicle does. Yeah, tell you what, Maxwell Sheffield, he was furious around that time because he's like, I think he passed on cats. Yes, he did. Him and Andrew Lloyd Weber are always in a battle. Yeah.

Thank God he's got that sassy nanny to. Yeah, that's true. Eventually fuck him. When they didn't know where else to go with the series. Yeah. And then looking back, maybe they were all along. Do you know that the nanny is? a thing in the UK.

Really? Yeah, we've referenced it on a live show before. We're over there and they're like, what do you want? They tried to watch it. They played like half a season and it didn't work. Even in America, a lot of America's like, what? Why are you talking about that? You talk about it so much.

I can't make it clear to American listeners how big the nanny was in Australia. Huge. We all watched it. That was New York to us. Yes. Piano played anytime you looked at a building. Yeah. laugh track when you enter the room.

Oh my God. Everyone wore sassy dresses and walked downstairs. Chanel was a place you could shop at. Yeah. Is that right? No. That's still a thing. Yeah, where does she go?

Something on, and retails an amount you could pay for something? Yes. You paid retail? And you returned them? I never, didn't understand anything that I were talking about. Never understood. I thought the butler was gay the whole time and then he ended up in a relationship with C.C.

Oh my God. They got together. Spoiler warning. Oh, sorry. AJ, put that at the top of the episode. Spoiler alert. Oh, man. It's so fun.

It's just a real fun thing to, like, every reference about it is just fun. Yeah. I don't know. There's something about it is probably more fun to talk about than to watch. It's an insane show. And do you know that she pitched it on a flight? She met the producer and was an actress going to L.A. And she met the guy.

Reese. I was like, I had this idea. You better. I'd have believed that I've done an episode. Oh, you've done an episode. It was a Patreon bonus episode. I didn't think the public were ready to hear it. But it's crazy.

A plain pitch. Plain pitch. And it becomes the nanny. The nanny, the most important piece of Australian popular culture. Yes. What was it on like 6.30 at night? It was on every night. The big three was.

Simpsons and the nanny. And then Seinfeld had rotated with those four would. rotating those three prime time slots. Yeah. Wild. No one was touching the dial. Nah. Channel 10.

Yeah. When it was still a thing. Yeah. A valet. It's all right. We got those last tickets on the Titanic. We're all right. So, yeah.

So they're stopping and searching everyone. As Chirovolo says, uh, now they were considered a gross violation of civil right. But back then, we got a result. Back then, it was a little faster, a little looser. Now these days, we're going to call it, I don't know,

can't know, can say that or something faggy like that. I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. I can say that. I don't know. I have to say that. People say, get a warrant. I'm like, what the fuck is that? Get a wife.

What? Anyway, I'm three times divorced. I don't even want to want. I got a wife. You want to see the tattoos? Next to Charlie Manson That's my first wife Elizabeth

Yeah I put her there To remind me the evil That women can do Busting my balls I have them on a similar plane Yeah Yeah yeah yeah

She also turned a bunch of people Against the police So Despite all that effort 4 AM came around Without any luck Oh my God, they've frisked 500,000 people. Yeah, for nothing.

They got no results. That was shattered, especially the ones who pushed the theory. They were kind of putting themselves on the line. Sorry, everyone. The boss is like, you can't be serious. They're like, no, we're serious. And the boss is like, you can't know, people don't, the murders don't happen because of the star signs.

And they're like, well, they don't. But we just need this. If this guy believes that they do, then, you know, it's, It's a genuine threat, but yeah, that was sort of, I imagine going back on. Straight back to the office. Yeah. Yeah, really, really, right. But then, Chirovolo receives a call from the Central Park precinct.

And this is how he recounts the conversation. He said, you didn't get anybody up in Queens and Brooklyn tonight, did you? I said, no. He said, you know why? Because he just shot someone in Central Park. Oh, no. Chiravola says, son of a bitch! It was like getting punched in the stomach, punched in the solar plexus.

It mixed feelings, surely, because you can go into your bosses up and say, see, I fucking told you. Yep. Yes. So I think, I think maybe he was better at, Truavello was better at hiding that part because someone had been shot, whereas Milanensey. Oh, boy. So the tattoo guy.

No, no, the other, he's the, uh, De Niro Molder. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you got Bucky guy. We got the guy who's names on his suit. and we've got Melanasi, spooky molder. Okay, Robert Dino. So, Melanasi remembers it more fondly. It was a beautiful night.

We were tired. I didn't know anything would cheer me up, but then I found out some guy gets shot in their head. We didn't know all the time. I don't mind saying. I got a little chubby in my pants. I don't mind saying a little twinge down there. I liked it. I've been chasing that high ever since.

So he remembers that, like, he got, like, is the boss, Chief Borrelli. He remembers him saying to everyone, hey, here's my guys. These are the ones. They told us it was going to happen. And Milanesey says, it felt really good. Not that someone got shot, but the fact that we knew we were right. It was, I'm glad he had that. Yeah.

Not that someone was shot. Again, apologies to the widow. It's like. Well, they've said a crime's going to happen. Again, it's New York in 1990s. Someone got shot in Central Park. But also, like, you didn't stop it. So you're claiming the credit.

Yep. Yeah. We did it. We knew this was going to happen. It just happened in a complete, hugely different part of New York. Yeah, that's what Milanese says in the interview. He goes, something like, and then the chief, the chief says, see, next time, I'm going to need a place as well.

And he's chuckling. same. They're all laughing. Wonderful. It's good to laugh in the precinct. So now there's a fourth victim. Uh-oh. A man named Larry Parham. A homeless man who was on a park bench in Central Park. The bullet passed through him though and he survived.

And the bullet was recovered. Yeah. Don't tell Melancy. He was just celebrating. So, yeah, they recovered the bullet from the bench. So they had a, you know, decent evidence there. See, where are they getting the birth date for the unhoused man? Yeah. And, well. Yeah, just chatting him up.

This is the one that they think they know how. Oh. So he survived, but he was unable to provide a description of the shooter as he was sound asleep at the time. So, like, this is like the most cowardly, you know, like, serial killers are always a bit cowardly. but this is like, you know, next level coward. This is the most cowardly. Beeson says that the New York Zodiac was attacking lone individuals and was basically looking for weak targets.

So he was looking for targets that he was pretty sure could not fight back if he got his shots in with his zip gun. And he was pretty much a coward. He was definitely going after people that look pretty weak. So Beeson's a real expert, especially on the San Francisco, Californian Zodiac. So like sometimes like, Yeah, the New York one, coward.

Not like my guy. Oh, yeah. He was taking risks. Yeah. Yeah, he loved the, he loved the, he was from San Francisco, you know? Yeah. He loves flowers in his hair. Yeah.

And while he was asleep during the attack, the New York Times writes, Mr. Parham told the police that a stranger had earlier asked him about his astrological sign. Oh. Mr. Parham also gave some details that allowed the police to release a sketch. Like a comedy sketch? So yeah. This is how we think it happened. I need a place.

Central Park. Okay. Occupation. Serial killer. Okay. And also, I mean, would the sketch be about the fact that clearly this isn't the city that doesn't sleep? Because this guy was asleep. If this was true, there'd be another, someone wouldn't have been shot.

So obviously he asked him with no mask on and stuff like that, I guess, assuming that he would later be killed. So he was able to give a pretty good description. This is what they drew put out on the front page. Is he the Zodiac? Just, I think, helping to prove that it was a pretty full-on time in New York at the time. The story above it is they left her to die. Prosecutor tells Grimtale of Jogger trial opening. So it's just like...

One of the just over 2000. Hmm. So anyway, according to the true crime database, is that kind of, I'm not. Like, is that kind of what you were picturing? Look, I will say he looks a little more, and this is a broad generalisation and hopefully not as racially charged as it's about to sound. He does look quite a bit like the cop from diehard. You know, the guy that's on the radio and talks and through everything?

Yes, the dad from Family Matters. Yes. Yeah, he does a bit. Well, they, the media caught onto a different, um, a different pop culture reference at the time. Maybe it was pre, was it pre diehard? No, post-eye hard. Well, they should have really gone with that. But maybe they didn't want to go with a cop.

Yeah, true. According to the true crime database, he described the young man as black, about 30 years old, 5 foot 10 inches to 6 feet tall and around 185 pounds. The sketch was released to the press, and journalists soon began referring to it as evil Al Roker. Oh, wow. The guy that shit his pants in the White House. Is that true?

That's true. He said it on the news once. What? Apparently, yeah. It's like that morning television thing where they're just talking. He was like, I put myself in a white have. Because they're just like delirious. They're up every morning.

You're like, excuse me, out? No filter in your mouth or pants? I did a poo in the whitehouse. Didn't make it. I got a tattoo over it on my back. Sorry, Al. What? To prove the evil that.

men can do. Anyway, we're going to a break. That's the most evil thing that's haven't been done in that building. He's not like obviously, we never really had him here, but he had a, there was an episode that he was on Seinfeld a bunch. He kept, he was like on the cover of the TV week and it was a recurring thing. So I knew, I've known of him for a long time as well. Jesus.

It's, uh, just if we could have got some of our own culture. You know, the nanny, that sort of stuff. Australian culture. A classic Australian. Directed by Baz Luhrmann. Oh, yes. A nanny remake, would it work? I don't think it would work.

Well, it would have to be set in probably Sydney, right? Yeah. Big smoke. Yeah, she came over from, she came over the bridge. Yeah, to the northern beaches, is that? Yeah. Northern beaches. She was there to sell wellness diet pills.

She was there. So she became an opair. Actually. We got to catch a plan. Yeah. We've got to cancel this podcast. and get on a jet star flight. It'll be a jet star flight.

Yeah, that's where TV execs in Australia are flying now. Yes. I mean, maybe. So, um, so yes. So homeless man, uh, is short but survives, Mr. Parham. Um, and, uh, coordinator, Chirovolo, the real find at the crime scene was the note. Uh, he had his circle and crosshairs on the top. He's got his fourth piece of the pot.

pie in there, which is cancer. They checked out Parham's day of birth and again... Terrible pie. I still eat it. It's only one of the sauces. I really believed you when you said that. And yeah, they checked and that it was right, Parham's was a cancer and Travella continues. We still didn't know how the shooter knew the astrological sign of his victims.

That was baffling. So now four victims. he's four for four, there's eight more people until he fills in the pie chart. For Crime Library, Melissa Ann Madden writes, an intriguing Zodiac letter arrived at the post the day after the Central Park shooting. It contained the same occult symbolism, nonsensical ramblings, and listing of the victims, Time of Death and Star Sign. This letter, however, was unusual in its vehement attempt to convince the post

and thus the police and public that New York Zodiac was the same person the San Francisco Zodiac. It's so funny. Anyway, to me it is. Let's find out. Aside from a few enthusiastic exceptions, the police press and public never really believed the two were the same,

the East Coast and West Coast Zodiac. Right. Yeah. Everything from that killer's handwriting to the victim's descriptions of the assailant pointed to the fact that the New York Zodiac was just a copycat. However, the June 22 note reads,

This is the zodiac. I've seen the post. And you say the notes sent to the post not similar to any of the San Francisco's zodiac letters? You are wrong. The handwriting look different. It is one of the same zodiac, one zodiac. In San Francisco, killed a man in the park with a gun and killed a woman with a knife and killed a man in the taxi cab with a gun.

The note, this is the bit that made me chuckle. And I know, this is grim things to be laughing about. But the note also has a doodle of the original Zodiac with the note. And it says next to it, me in the park, is this similar to one Zodiac? I know what? It sounds like a toddler. Hey, there he is.

He's drawing a picture of the famous. Funny little legs. San Francisco Zodiac. It said, huh? How would I know this? How would I know this? All the pictures we released. 20 years later.

And it looks like a doodle of someone wearing a paper bag on their head. Which is, do you not remember? He had a black sack with it. Yeah, but like... And clip on sunnies, remember? But everyone's seen that. Yeah. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. Like, it also reads like a toddler hurriedly telling you about all the stuff they have in their room. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Like, they're kind of like, and, and, and one zodiac, one zodiac, like, just so excited to be telling you about it, taking out all the the the thos and the ads. Yeah.

I don't know. I think it's fun. And it's just so funny. Like, the first Zodiac from memory was all like cold and... Yeah, yeah. Not that needy. This guy's so needy with it. This guy's a bit more of a BTK.

He was a needy story. Yeah, right. He was very like... So, all right, mate. Dennis. Is that what his name turned to do? Oh, man. Because last, the last Zodiac was like had all the cryptic stuff going on as well.

Yeah, he's not sent with one puzzle. No single part. It's just me, be like, one, Zodiac, it's me. I am, I'm him. Because weren't even the Zodiac letters were ciphers themselves, right? Yes, that's right. Well, that this, I mean, I can't remember looking into this, but there is something that looks like a... But again, it's like, something you write on a phone call, like, you know, like around a shopping list or something.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, the note, pretty silly. It's a silly, silly. But there was a reminder that this was all serious stuff a couple days later. Joe Prochie, who had remained in hospital, ended up dying about three weeks after he was shot, died from an infection from the wound. So that's the hospital's fault.

But you know what? Zodiac's going to claim that. Definitely going to claim it. Yeah, Zodak claims. I got one. After this, it becomes a homicide investigation. Into the hospital. Yeah.

Yeah, we'd take a big detour now. Unless he's like spitting on the bullets as he put him in or something. I think. Yeah. Well, we do. What's he? Give it a bit of rub it in the dirt a little bit. He said, um, no dints or whatever.

No grooves. No grooves. I like dints though. He didn't say no gubbas. Um, no. So, so they're like, all right. it's a murder investigation now. They throw everything at it,

but the trail soon goes cold. Again, thinking outside the box, Milanesey, you know, spooky molder, spooky minotinassi met with a warlock named Herman. Sorry? It was a big warlock in New York.

Yeah, deepest darkest forest of New York City. There's it. And it's Herman. Herman. There's footage of Herman, And Herman's really playing up for the camera back in 1990. He's got a snake, like, yeah, I've got a snake. But I'm not a snake expert.

I'm guessing it's like a, you know, a carpet snake. Yeah, yeah. But I'm imagining David Bowie in the labyrinth. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's putting on a show. But he lives in his mother's bath. Well, yeah, that's the spurious room of the house. My mother gets home at four.

So we need to do this now. So, Herman suggests he get the book of the law by Alastair Crowley, an English Satanist. It's a pretty famous one. Yeah, sex magic. Sex magic. He's with the sex magic. Whoa, I didn't know that. Necromancy, necromancy.

Right. Necromancy and the necropancy. Yeah. So Melanessi later said, that's when I started. started getting freaked out because we knew we were dealing with some very strange people at that point. I knew a couple of other occult stores in the area. Nobody had the book. I went up to the Central Research Library on Fifth Avenue, finally found it. Apparently wasn't allowed to take it out. It was like, it was kind of rare. And then he says, when I sat down, I opened the cover of the book

and the book opened to the exact page I wanted. Yeah, because you used your hands. He said the spine was kind of broken So it was like it was almost And it also had a note in that page Which would also help it open to that page It's like on a bookmark basically But the note read And he says I believe it said

There's two different I'm using the You know the funner version of his telling of this I believe it said White Devil We knew you were coming And it had a pentagram And a lightning bolt

So he apparently he shat himself He In the library El Roker style Al Roker chucked in Al Roker Chucked an Roker Chucked a big owl A metaphorical

A metaphorical Roker I could have like a roca That's good It's also a terrible Cludeau Like shitting yourself

In the library With a candlestick What a way to go By myself Um So He's definitely reading this by Candlelight

Absolutely Yes yes yes So apparently he's like, and he's not a shame to say it, he pulled his gun out. On the book and put a die you bastard. Stop shoo, bo, bo, bo, bo, bo. No one calls me white devil and gets away with it. That's why they're like, we wouldn't let you take the book out of the building. We knew this would happen.

No, he, well, no, he's not, he's not thinking it's the book, but he's thinking someone is watching me. Someone knows that I was coming to read, to look at this and they're in here. Poor librarian. He's not a gun put on them. Yeah. So he was afraid. Third time this week. And then he...

I hate New York. He, um, he, you know, he figured out no one was actually there, put his gun away. And he read, he read the book. It freaked him out even more. Read the whole book. Oh, he read that whole section. And to him, it all linked up with the murders. It said it was all about like trying to take slay.

with you into the afterlife and you had to kill him in certain ways and you wanted the most people to know but everyone would be confused all these sort of things that you know vagueish but linked up to to the murders um and he became really wary of being followed home he'd worked with the mafia uh uh for for years but this was the first time he really started freaking out he'd like turn off early on the highway circle the block apparently his wife's like you you'll looking different. You're looking ashen face and stuff. So he was all pretty, pretty freaked out by it. But I don't think it's different tellings of it. We'll have that happening earlier and that led to them picking that date, but others have it later. So I don't know where it happened,

but I thought it was interesting little side note anyway. So they finally get a break in the case when the lab finds a partial fingerprint on the most recent letter. Unfortunately, things weren't computerized back then. So they can't have to match it by eye almost, like manually go through, which is very laborious. They have to, a lot of time and effort, but it leads to nothing. They can't match it to anything.

But still, they're like, one day, you know, if we have a fun or maybe this will be the, That would have been like such an annoying job. There's not enough dexies in the world that would have like even or a vivance, whatever, to just sit there and have to like just hold up. You know what? Yeah. And so what?

Where are they keeping all the fingerprints? And they're so like, like, they all kind of look the same. Yeah. So they look for those little swirl. Swirl. Whirl. Swirl. Whirl.

Wait, wait, wait. No. Swirl. Swirl. Like, infuriating. And, yeah, just the whole system. And we've, in previous episodes about solving murders, it's so much frustrating stuff about just departments not talking to each other.

All these things that crimes would have been solved so much easier. Cops are big on getting, like, their department to do it as well. Like, yeah, they'll openly kind of hold, like the, and I think was it, BTC or one of them, a lot of it took slower because they just, yeah, They just weren't, they just chat to each other about it. Yeah, which is men, talk to each other, please. And also stop murdering. Okay, geez, can we do one at a time?

Yeah. All right, well, which one? Pick one. I'll do one as a new year's resolution next year. Okay? So, yes, nothing comes of it. Things go quiet and the task force and the investigation sort of gets disbanded, gets put into on the back burner in late 1990, in November 1990.

Of the task force being wound down, the big, bulky-looking cops of Vareci, the go of the tats, said, this guy disappeared. Where is he? Is he dead? We don't know. And really, that's, that pissed me off, you know. Frankly, we don't want to know. Actually, we do want to. Wait, wait, no, wait, wait, wait, wait. No, we do. We do. We do. But people got away. People get away with murder. That's good quote But not the guys on my back Yeah We got these guys

And my wife Doreen So he He sticks around But Chirovolo and Milanancy They both retire Around this time I reckon

You know It was full on Both of them Were talking about it Like it was Kind of ruining Their lives Their home lives

And stuff They were missing Holidays They weren't seeing Their family That much So yeah Everyone moved on

To other thing things. That was until the 3rd of August 1994. Oh my gosh. We were four. How were you? 60? Oh, that is so sweet. So, on the 3rd of August, 1994, after nearly four years of silence, maybe just over four years? No, yes. Another letter was received. Sergeant Joe Herbert, who in the Netflix show refers to himself as pork chup. They call me pork chup because I kind of like eating food. I'm also a pig. But he looks like a really average looking guy.

And maybe he, I don't know. But the other guy is like, yeah, I still call him pork chop. is like way bigger than him in every, like, taller and just a bigger guy. But anyway, you know, a bit of fun around the office, I guess. Hey, pork chop. I quite like it as a nickname. Hey, mashed potatoes. You just had lunch, I bet you did.

You love to eat. I am fat, yes. Okay. Thanks guys. Okay. I'm sad. I'm pork chop. I'm pork chop, but I'm sad.

So, yeah, pork chop or Joe Herbert, he wasn't on the, uh, force in 1990, but he had followed the case pretty closely through the media. So he was pretty pumped to get the chance to have a crack at the case. Here's Herbert describing the letter. On the right, he listed five incidents of violence. So the first thing that I do, I started to research the crimes that he was taking credit for. First one is from August the 10th. So this is the new letter going, hey, here's a bunch of crimes I did. Oh, wow. Yeah. You thought things had gone quite, you'd forgotten about me. Well, I haven't forgotten about you. I stole some clothes for the dry cleaner.

How about that? Sorry, I ruined that by knocking over an empty glass. Do you want some water? And it then to shiver through my spine because I thought it was full. No, I'm all good. I pulled a gun. Yeah. He pulled a gun on a book?

That's so funny. Well, I probably oversawcored that. He, like, unclipped his thing and he went to hold it. Basically pulled his stuff. I like the idea of pulling the gun on a door. He'd hate bookcheon. Oh, he'd hate it. Terrified him.

I'd be dead. That bookcheat to him is like watching Mind Hunter. It's just like, why are we glorifying these things? Yeah. So, Herbert, pork chop. He describes, and I, like, because he calls himself pork chop. I think he's pretty apt with a nickname. So he says, so the first thing I do, I started to research the crimes that he was

taking credit for. First one is from August of 10th, 992. female, what? Stabbed and shot in Highland Park. Ooh-hoo. That was Patricia Fonte. That was the first woman victim. And this was totally different from the others.

She was stabbed a hundred times. What? And he said, we found no indication that she was shot, but she could have been. There were so many marks on her body. Oh, God, that's so awful. Yes, I read somewhere that, and it, like, so inconsistent, the different tells us story,

but one place I read that, it's thought she was shot, but she tried to wrestle him. So in a panic, he pulled her off. Stamped her a hundred times. Yeah, which is... I'm starting to think this guy's insane. Like at a certain point. We are assuming it's a man, aren't we?

Yeah. It's sexist. Yeah. Well, we've seen a sketch. And I would say, if that is a woman, no offense to large women with full facial hair. Yeah. Well, I will say that's, that's a sketch of the person who asked about star signs. Oh, so maybe he was just what?

Just curious. A travelling. We don't know. Yeah, maybe. A hundred is, and in no way in my glory, like, that is a horrible thing that happened. But a hundred is, like, stabbed ten times and you're like, oh. Yeah. Like, you know what?

This is awful. Seventy-three, 74, 75, 76. So, well, so violent. Seventy-seven. So that's... 80. That's the first one. Then there's Jim Weber.

This is still with pork chop. Jim Weber... The heir to the Weber dynasty. Yeah. Barbecue King. The Zodiac shot him. Then hopped the fence and fled into a nearby cemetery. Weber survived.

Joseph Diakoni was a homeless individual. He was shot in the back of the neck and bled out instantly. He died. Diane Ballard was shot one time in the neck and she survived and later became transitioned and turned into Tom Ballard. Tom Ballard, that's right. And then there was a fifth victim, 11th of June 1994. Pork Drop says, we did a very thorough search of the park,

cadaver dogs, helicopters, we could not locate the victim. Two of them were homicides. Two were non-fatal. The NYPD was not able to connect the second series of attacks with the first series because there were over 2,300 homicides a year in the city in those days. Yes. So that's, so they're not claiming credit for a bunch of different.

And that's the first we've heard from the killer in four years. Yes. Yeah. Hey, I've been busy. I've killed these people. And the cops are not, they're like, not sure. They're like, is it, is it even the same person? And it's like, because now you do, if it is a copycat, it's a copycat of a copycat.

Yeah. So at this point, it's like we're, it's a photocopy of a photocopper. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, or is it the killer just being like, I'm bored. I've seen these murders or things in the paper. I'm just going to claim that I did that too.

That's true. Could it be claiming that, yeah, I stabbed that lady. Yeah. And it does have the vibe of, I have a similar thing of, um, I've killed several people. But the, I'm not doing a tour this year. And when people ask me what I'm doing, I panic and go, I've been busy. I'm doing other things. Yeah, I've been doing heaps.

I'm still doing comedy. You're looking through the paper claiming other people's shows? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Hughesy kicking out those women from that show. That was me! The note signs off by saying, quote, Sleep, my little dead.

How we loathe them. Does that ring any bells? Apparently, that's a quote from Edgar Allan Poe. I want to wake up in the other. And there's another part of the note that says, NYPD zero, Zodiac 9, taunting them with a scorecard. Yeah. I mean, as in like, they have.

haven't killed anyone because, yeah, I think that might be a little longer. Yeah, if it's a kill count, they, come on, they're going to win. And, oh, there's also, um, there's also this picture on there. The first sort of, oh, I think a little, like a little, like, like, like, I'm saying houses as well, like little rows of houses, yeah, yes, little, um, like there's little ceramic houses. Yeah. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Yeah. There's the, The score, NYPD Zero, Zodiac 9. Now, do we know about their birth signs, these people, these five newer victims? Yes, I think he hasn't doubled up for all but one, but he seems to be playing that up a lot less.

That's only found out later, but, you know, when they look into all these victims. Yep. But for some reason, this version of the guy, or if it's still the same guy, has changed his MO a bit. In four years, he's like, I don't believe in that anymore. That was crazy. My new thing is, just killing people at random. Yeah. And I've gotten into glass blowing.

I don't know how I'm going to involve that in the murders yet, but just so you know, that's my hobby now. Yeah, yeah, try and combine them later. According to the true crime database, the police released the letter to the public a week later, and soon the city was gripped in a blind panic, fearing the return of the Zodiac. Detectives were hesitant to declare this newsletter the work of the New York Zodiac, suspecting it might have possibly come from a copycat. The Zodiac's totem pole code, which is what they started calling it, it sort of looks like that.

It ended up being composed of international maritime signal flags. Oh, what's that called? Semaphore. So someone noticed that, and journalist Kieran Crowley from the New York Post decoded it with the help of his father-in-law, who was a veteran of World War II, and who had worked in signals intelligence and cryptography. And when disaffered, the code apparently read,

this is the zodiac speaking. Speaking. Was it a little pause that? Yeah. Ahoy, hoi. This is the Zodiac speaking. I am in control. Who mastery be ready for more.

Yours truly. which I don't know if that like I saw another version of it made more sense than that it was basically saying this is a Zodiac speaking I'm in control be ready for more yours truly with love yeah XO XO gossip girl another task force was put together and they worked with the fingerprint again checking more strategically pork chop was looking at certain zones that he called like the killers areas of comfortability and he had a bit of an overlap. So he was checking any criminals who were in those areas and working with the fingerprints. And the docker is like, I put my beep brown vibrate and I attached to me.

I didn't want my wife to wake up, but I knew it was going to go off. I knew they were going to find something. And they didn't find anything. Yeah, it never turned into any of it. It was a good theory, but it didn't come to anything. and yeah, the New York Zodiac, sadly and frustratingly, would not be heard from again. The trial went cold and the second task force was also dismantled. The big barky detective, Savaresi later said it felt just like deja vu.

The second task force is over. It's winding down. Nobody, no perpetrator. That bothered me. That bothered me a lot, you know. I gave it the best I had, you know. That's what they're paying me for. If I can't get you, good luck.

Good luck? He really turned around in the end there, didn't he? All the best. I really enjoyed that monologue. Yeah. I like the way he talks. Yeah. So he's fun.

Like, at the time in the 90s, he had like this sort of big curly mustache. Oh, my God. You know how else has a mustache? Potentially the killer. Oh, my God. That's right. Oh, my God. You were just pointing at Matt.

You know, I was like, yep. No, the sketch we saw. Yeah. In the doco from last year, he just had this huge white beard. Oh, Santa. Yeah, I think it's pretty. So I was like, I'm delivering poise, you know? That's what they pay me for.

I got a picture of the Grinch on my back. Hey, here's a piece of gold, kid. Good luck. Herbert, pork chop, took a career change and, became a hostage negotiator, which, by the boy, I think his first job is worth mentioning it because it lets us finish with a positive. Can I quickly, does this mean it's a mystery episode? Yeah, you've gone early, but yeah, it's a mystery episode.

Oh, my gosh, it's a mystery episode? Cut it out. Sorry, cut it out, E. Don't make it funny. Let's look at Herbert's first job as a negotiator. I love it because he was, like, clearly really nervous about it. He's like, I want to do a good job. And he gets on the phone to the hostage taken.

He's like, hello, you can call me pork chop. Yeah. I like to eat. I like to eat. I'm your friend. I'm really, I'm quite an interesting person. Here's one of my very unique traits. I eat like every day.

Well, almost every day. All right. So this is, I'm going to tell it from Herbert's point of view. It was June 18th, 19906. So there's a couple of years later from one of, left the story off. He's trained himself up. He's finally ready.

He's doing his first job. There was a hostage job in the 7-5 precinct. I was nervous because this was my first hostage negotiation job. An individual had shot his sister and is holding her boyfriend hostage. They told me his name was Eddie. I'm saying, Eddie, we don't want you getting hurt. None of us want to get hurt, Eddie. This went on for an hour, an hour and a half.

Finally, he says, I'm ready to surrender. I was proud as a peacock because the bosses, they were patting me on the back. Good job, all that stuff. So I was very satisfied that I didn't blow it because they don't always go good. So now they're taken in back to the station house. And I went back to the scene. The bomb squad had removed two pipe bombs fully constructed that he had in the apartment. So he saved lives probably.

I'm at the scene. I'm talking to the bomb squad guys and three detectives came right to the corner here. they hand me the confession. Eddie confessed to shooting his sister, to holding his boyfriend hostage. All wrapped up. And then Herbert notices something interesting about the confession, the handwriting.

He'd know it anywhere. You wouldn't read about it. It's the bloody zodiac. What? I was tricking you. It isn't a mystery. What? What the heck?

He's recognized the handwriting. Yeah. Oh my God. He says... That was such good. acting. I can't tell if this is another double. No, me neither.

You've just made up. You've been like, all right, I panicked. It's a mystery episode. It's not satisfying. And then just first job as the hostage taker was, um, yes, it's a killer. We got him, everyone. Good night. So this is what Herbert says.

I actually had a physical reaction. And it was kind of like my blood pressure went down like 40, 50 points. I shoot my pants. He says, it looks like my wife's shopping list. That's how familiar the lettering was. Wait a second. Is he's why? wife also involved.

Yeah. Yeah. At first that you're like, what do you, what do you mean? What's he written? Eggs, milk. No, he's just saying it's, it's, it's so familiar with it. I know this so well. And I'd also be annoyed that I had to write my own confession, by the way.

Yeah. I mean, especially if it leads to you getting done. Yeah. You let you dictate it at least. Yeah. If you know that you are kind of famous and not yet found for doing crimes where you taunt the cops with notes, I'd definitely be changing up the handwriting style

Imagine it was written in like a Like I did the murder The pipe bombs Pipe bombs Yeah One, two, pipe bombs A pie Pipe bombs

That's when he knew The eye contact we just made Pipe Bones Are we to believe that If Porkchop hadn't been involved They wouldn't have noticed Like no one else

Would have picked up on the Holy shit shit. If it wasn't, it didn't, if it was someone else, it seemed like it, yeah. And he had bombs now. Wow. So you got to assume that people were going to die. Like he was going to have his third.

Well, he's clearly not good with a gun. Yeah. So pork chop goes, the S's, the T's and the M's, you know. I knew the handwriting from all the letters that I'd studied for the last two years work in the Zodiac case. That is so wild. I'm actually blown away here. Yeah, me too.

I kind of went to another place to say because I was thinking how what, like. Just like, yeah, imagine that moment when you're looking at it, you're going like, this can't be. Yeah. Kind of comparing it going, holy shit, holy shit. Am I insane from like, am I noticing that it's not there? I'm losing my mind. Yeah.

And apparently he calls the big bikey guy, the first guy, because he's like, we got it. Like he calls him on the day. He's like he knows it straight away. He was in the tattoo parlor. He's all right. What does he look like? He said that. There's no time to describe him.

So, um... Is Eddie the guy from the sketch? No, I don't know who that guy from the sketch is. He looks nothing like that. I think it was just the cop from diehard walking around, trying to find out people's, people's star signs. He was working on a new character. Yeah.

Um, so was he a cop in Family Matters as well? Or just the dad? I think he was both. I think he might have just been a dad. Right. Yeah, because it was all set at home, wasn't it? Yeah, but he's also a dad and diehard. So, oh my God.

Could be the same character. One note. So, yeah, just so wild. That's insane. This is as Bono writes, half years have been. Sunday. Bloody Sunday.

Yeah, what was it Sunday? Sal Bono, this is. Sal Bono. Salbon. Salbon. All right. After years of inactivity, a report of a domestic disturbance proved to be the undoing of the New York Zodiac. I mean, it was a pretty big domestic.

Yes. It was a murder. It wasn't a murder. It was a shooting. Oh, he didn't kill that. That was his sister. But she didn't die. She didn't die.

Oh, so I don't know why I assume. This guy is so bad at murdering. I assumed, sorry, that she was dead in the, in the apartment with him and that he was negotiating for the boyfriend's life. No. It was just. Yeah, he could have... Okay.

So he was about to be a domestic terrorist. Yeah. Like, he was about to be a terrorist. Yeah, he was about to go up. Like, I mean, there was a full-on jump from the first of the second one with the stabbing's and people dying instantly. So that I did five. Yeah. He loves pipes.

You know, he made a, like his zap gun. Is he a plumber? Oh, he's a plumber. It's Murray. My mum, yeah. We're still trying to solve who it is, even though we've arrested it. It's warrior. Yeah, this is more wariness, barb.

Yeah, this is what Salboaun writes. On a hot day, so yeah, the domestic disturbance is what was his undoing. On a hot June day in 1996, Gladys Rays was shot in the back by her brother, Huberto Eddie Seda, in their shared Brooklyn home. Ray's escaped home and fled to a neighbor's house where she called the police. Ray's boyfriend was still trapped in the home with Seda, but managed to barricade himself in a bedroom. And by the way, so this is what the New York Zodiac looks like.

Oh. So nothing at all like that description. He's kind of handsome. Worth getting a tattoo of? Like on your chest or something? Oh, yeah. A real centerpiece. I mean, he could get the tattoo this time

because he's actually been involved in this case at least. And there's him getting taken away by the bikey dude and the pork chop. Wow. We're going straight to the tattoo parlor. I need you to sit down and do a sitting. How old was he? He was in his 20s. And this is like six years or five years after the first year?

Yeah, so he started early 20s, I think. And what's his vibe now? So he'd be like 50 something now. I don't, I mean, I haven't. I don't think of, in the 90s. He'd be in his 50s? You mean vibe? You want to know what he looks like now?

Oh, you know. Has he gotten like fit in jail? He is, apparently. Like, I don't, the only place I've seen, he's, um, on the Wikipedia page, which I don't, I don't know. It's fine. I don't need to see what it is. I think some sort of database of, uh, of, uh, serial killers or something. But apparently, um, he's, uh, he had a sexual affair in prison with Cynthia China

Blast, a transgender woman who is serving a sentence for gang-related movies. murder. Cool. Is that the, when you say vibe? What? You know, he's clearly, you know, he's, he's got a diverse group of friends. Do they, do they, I mean, do they put out updated photos of? I mean, they, yeah, is they like, like a kind of TV week style prison magazine where

are they now? Yeah. Well, we know where they are. Where we left them last. That's the name of the segment. Where we left him last. Where is their jawline now? Yeah.

Basically, I just want to know if he's still hot. Anyways. But yes, he started so young. So, yeah, so the sister calls the cops. The cops come. That's when you have the standoff with Herbert. Did she make a coffee first? She obviously would have made a coffee first with the, you know, the wound in her back.

He shot a lot of his victims in the back. Coward. Bono continues. When police entered his home, they found a cache of weapons, which included pipe bombs and zip guns. Former assistant DA Ananya said, those two letters, the fingerprints they retrieved from both of those matched each other. They knew it was the same person. Years went by, and they were always trying to match those fingerprints with the fingerprint from whoever they arrested. It was really exciting.

It was like Cinderella. It was like the shoe finally fit after all these attempts to try and find him. He's so romantic. I love the terms they've put it in there. As news quickly spread that the New York Zodiac was arrested and in police custody, more came out about Cedars history. This is still from Inside Edition. Eddie was basically just a loser, Beeson told Inside Edition.

He's the one who... That's got to hurt when you hear that. He couldn't kill more than two people, his whole... career as a serial killer. What a loser. Remember, Beeson's the one who's dedicated the life to the California. Oh, I'm trying to big up there with the mysterious one. This guy's a loser.

Why are we even talking about him? We love our one. Baster goes on. He got kicked out of school for carrying a gun to school when he was 16 years old. He wanted to be a green beret. He joined the army and fortunately did not get past their psychological test to get into the army. Or who knows what would have come? Because if he did get in the army, I'm sure he would have actually been able to acquire some

real weapons later on. Damn. Yeah, so that's pretty good. The New York Times, I'm going to read a chunk from a New York Times article that was published later that week reporting that he said to someone, to a cop who didn't want to be named, he said to them that, why did you kill him? And he said, because they were evil. So he was a reclusive man, obsessed with guns in the Bible.

And he admitted to slaying three people. people and wounding fire of others in two calculated waves that bound many New Yorkers in a fitful terror and he became known as the Zodiac shootings, police officials said yesterday. The stunning admission to the twin crime sprees, one during a compressed period in 1990 and the second from 92 to 94, apparently closes one of the city's most notorious unsolved cases. During four hours of interrogation, the police said, he admitted those crimes as well as the latter attacks. Until yesterday the police said they never knew with firm conviction whether the two deadly rampages were actually the work of a single person

And they wondered if the... Or a married person Could have been a divorcee Sounds like it And yeah they were starting to wonder if he would ever be a court Herberto Cedar 28 Who was arrested Tuesday in Brooklyn after shooting his half-sister And engaging in a gun battle with hundreds of police officers

Hundreds? Hundreds. With a zip gun, a spud gun. He was portrayed yesterday as a withdrawn man smitten with weaponry and the teachings of the Bible and who preached damnation to drug dealers. Apparently that was one of the reasons he was so upset with his half-sisterers. She was getting involved in some people who were in the drug scene and stuff.

I guess that's what he was trying to protect her. That's why he shot her in the back. Yes. Can't do drugs with a bullet in your back. I think then until you get to the hospital and they give you morphine. Yeah, they will pump you right up. Get the good stuff. Yeah.

Two years ago, the police seemingly came within a whisker of linking Mr. Cedar to the Zodiac shootings when he was arrested on a weapons possession charge. So they did him for having a zip gun. And his fingerprints would then have been routinely sent to Albany to be compared with prints stored in a statewide fingerprint identification system. But six days later, before the full set of fingerprints were mailed, the case was dismissed. missed and the fingerprints destroyed. Because they're like, oh, this gun's fault doesn't really work anyway. So the case was dropped. God, he's such a loser.

His gun doesn't even work. And that's why he got away with it. And apparently that gun was the gun that had been used in previous attacks. Oh, my God. The New York article continues. I did promise a Giuliani reference. In announcing the arrest, Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani profusely praised the police department and declared that the latest arrest, quote,

gives the victims and their families a sense of justice that helps the healing process. Remember when he was like, he was like seen as a real beacon of something or other? He was the mayor of America. Yeah. He used to call him. And it was just because something happened when he happened to be mayor.

Anyways. The article continues, late last night, detective searched this house removing four large paper bags full of evidence, including books, magazines, newspaper articles. Books. And a bow and arrow. Evil.

Oh, that'll really piss off Savesey. They pull it gone on the bookshelf. Not Savazey, sorry, Malancy. Oh, my God, books. Get in the bag. Get in the back. Nice and easy now. They're dead.

It's okay. Because of all these dead books and stuff. It's so spooky. You know, like, there's that sort of a trope where Bible will save someone's life with a bullet to it. And the cops like, no, I wasn't trying to shoot you, man. Yeah. I hit the target. A guy in my family was a cop and he got shot and it stopped in his wallet through a picture of his family.

Holy shit. Wow. That's amazing. Yeah. Oh my God. That is some good quality paper that printed it up. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Wow. No, it was just that, um, the one with the holes on the side of the dot printer. That's just layered. Sorry, it was a dot. It was a dot. picture of his family. But yeah, true story.

That is incredible. Oh yeah, they found a bow and arrow, but the police said it had never been used. He couldn't work out of it. What do I do with this thing? He's trying to get spuds on it. Where do I spray the deodorant? Inside his room were more than a dozen plastic models of military equipment, including cobra attack helicopters and aircraft carriers and assorted gun magazines.

Oh, cool. Including a Remington cat. and a gun parts catalogue. There were also basketball trading cards, GI Joe comic books, a magician's kit, and several pornographic videotapes. All right, so he's still kind of cool. Yeah, he's got cool hobbies.

Yeah. I'm not against like three to four of those things. He's still kind of cool. He's practicing magic at home. There's things that I could talk to him about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. which is this card, which is your card? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Which is this card? He's got a bit of practice. This is card. Which is this card? He doesn't know the symbols, yeah? This is what it looks like. He's trying to be the Zodiac. He used Zodiac killer.

He doesn't know symbols. I mean, some of the people call it a club. I don't really see it. No. This is more like a clover. But so no zodiac stuff. No. Like, it's in no astrology stuff.

No, it doesn't seem like it. But he did apparently see a documentary about the California Zodiac killer. And he, you know, he quite liked how he annoyed the cops. And he was sort of... Game, game recognises game. And he kind of hated, he liked astrology the first few killings. But then when he came back, it was gone. Do you reckon he discovered porn by that time?

Oh, yeah. He didn't care about that shit anymore. I think videotaped for more of a thing by that point. Yeah, so it's easier to get his hands on the good stuff. It was real to real first time around. So, yeah, apparently he had so many weapons filled three buckets with homemade zip guns and the bombs and stuff. This is such a vague term. Having the buckets of guns.

He had three buckets of guns. I'm picturing like a, like, what do you call it, a feast? What do you call it? I've never been in KFC, but like, do they have a big bucket? Oh, yeah. Do they have a feast bucket? I've never seen the buckets in Australia. Did they have them?

Oh, yeah, he had a bucket. Oh yeah. My gosh, should we split a bucket after this? Yeah. Yeah, I was wondering when I'll have diarrhea in the couple days. Confirmed. How would I get it?

I do love it, though. Yeah, some people get a colonic. Yeah, I just eat only skin from the chicken. I'd be a little skin off the chicken. Colonel Colonic. Yeah. I reckon this is my favorite quote from the article, the New York Times article from the week of the arrest.

He was very religious, the detective said. He kept talking about Jesus and good and evil and salvation, but he never explained how he made his jump from a Roman Catholic upbringing to a Zodiac serial killer. Just get to the good bit. Well, I kind of think that's your job, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. As the cop to explain that.

It's like they keep walking out and he's not a good storyteller. There's like, there's no second act here. I wouldn't describe it as a tight five. I'll quickly run through Bono talks about the trial. Sorry, which bono is this? Oh, sorry, this is our Bono again. Yeah, yeah. I first met the edge.

I first met Bono McCartman. Yeah, I know. I realized as I was saying it. I don't know how to do it. Iris is hard. Iris is hard. Irish is hard. I first met the,

hey, yeah, well, maybe it's not that hard. Yeah, we go. There we go. There you go. Yoo-hoo. So Bono.

writes in June 1998, Sida, and I've said his name different every time, apologies for that. He wanted to be famous. I don't even know how to pronounce his name. You know, Zing. Yeah, that'll stop that. Cedar was convicted of three murders and one attempted murder after a six-week trial in Queens. This is an interesting thing to me.

It sounds like they have to, they had to do separate trials for the Brooklyn ones and the Queens ones. He was sent to 73 years in prison for those Queens ones. and he was also convicted in a separate trial in Brooklyn a year later of eight attempted murders which with several of those charges being connection to his attack on his sister and the fight with the cops so he's going getting done for that as well

and he was sentenced to 152 years in that case because I was thinking like it was just the first he's only got 50 years to go that's fine there's a chance for it you know you could be back in action you get to meet him About 150 years on top of the 80. Yeah.

Modern medicine, though. It's true. It's true. Imagine in a hundred years I marry the New York serial killer. We'll have to have you back on. We'll still be doing the podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll all be heads in jars.

Like, guys, I did it. Live that your dream. Reese, we don't remember what we talked about last week. Anyway, this guy killed. Well, no, he didn't kill it. as many people. You cover it like, check it. It happened.

I did it. What? This is going to be the best. They're going to love this. It's a long time to wait for a joke to pay off. You're committed. Bono continues while trying the case in Brooklyn, dealing with Cedar. So this is why I've been quoting from the assistant DA and Anja a bit.

She was, you know, she was there at the trial. dealing with Cedar was like dealing with the weather she said Okay wet sometimes She never knew what she was going to be working with Or against that day I think she works with or against the weather He decided he would come to court whenever he felt like it And so there were days

Sometimes he didn't show up So we would just be trying the case without him sitting there She recalls As he was walking out of the courtroom After one day's proceedings, he walked by the judge, and the next thing he knew, he started running up the steps towards the judge on the bench. And we were all like, oh my God! And the court officers just tackled him and brought him down.

He had some deep-rooted anger in him, she says. In total, Cedar was sentenced to 232 years in prison, now 56. This article's written last year, so he's 57, I guess. He remains incarcerated in the Clinton Correctional facility in Danamora, New York. Do they have an email address? I don't have one here, but I'm sure we can track one here. Having experienced a number of failures and setbacks in his life, Cedar is believed to have been motivated to kill by the desire to be known.

But as Beeson notes, his crime sprees often eclipsed by more famous ones of the other Zodiac killers. Beeson, of course, is the real hero of the... I hope that's right. I've really been hammering that home if it's not. Either way, Beeson says, this final thought, I'll leave it with Beasin. I think he was just looking for an excuse to attack anybody.

And it was about creating a name for himself, even though he wasn't even original enough to come up with his own name. So he wasn't even original there. Isn't that funny? That is such a borderline explanation of so many people we work with in this industry. They just wanted to kill to be known. And they didn't even. And they couldn't even do that. Couldn't even come up with their own on stage persona.

That's why we're all doing race. Well, that was very... Well, wild story, right? Wild! And a great fake out. Really good. I really thought it was a mystery episode. And then that chance thing happened.

I can't believe it. You'd be spewing if you were the killer, but it's obviously good to get some justice and take him off the streets because he had the pipe bombs. It is good. It is good that he got arrested in the end. I agree, Dave. But yet no one has suggested that is not in the hat.

Really? And I've put it up for the vote, I reckon, five times. And no, it comes second. Mate, take a hint. No, no one was to hear that. I'm like it's a good story. Honestly, I've looked into it and it's pretty crazy. Yeah, they should take the hint.

Yeah. Why does he keep putting it up for a real? I'm glad he did, because that is a wild start. I'd never heard of it at all. Yeah. And I like it's a semi-sequel to episode 64. Yeah. Yeah, it's like a, um,

not a full reboot, but maybe like, it's like the Han Solo movie. Yeah. It's within the same universe. Yeah. You've zeroed in on a character. Yeah, he was younger or whatever. I'm not quite as good as the original, but still pretty good. I liked it.

I thought solo was fine. Wasn't it? I watched it on a plane as well. And I, I find, I like them all. I'm just happy to see Donald Glover in a cool outfit. Yeah. For once. That was your joke.

Yeah. And I said it, yeah. I'm sorry about that. AJ, can you edit that out? Keep it in. The guest decides. I'll do the edit. I'm just going to upload it.

Yeah. Race is it true? I don't want a podcast now? Good. Thank you. I do a podcast. It's called F-W-E-N-D-S. It is with me, my husband, Kairn, and our friend, Georgia Mooney.

And it's on its third rebrand. Well, it started off as a movie podcast. during the pandemic, Georgia had COVID, long COVID, and she was in Sydney and we would Zoom with her and watch movies and then we talked, and we did all of the Marvel movies and then we did all of, like, just watched a lot of movies in different universes. And then we decided we'd make a podcast just about friendship because we have a weird friendship where, uh, Kieran and I are married and have been together for a long time. But just before we got together, um, Kieran and Georgia were together. Uh, so that creates a,

How did you think Don't actually? An interesting, yes. And now Georgia and the, we're like kind of best friends. We were, it was a tense start to our friendship. It sounds like to me you've got one link left in that chain. Yeah. Oh, yeah, no, we're going to, we're going to root. But is that what you meant?

Yeah, I guess. Yeah, sure. But the podcast is, yeah, Fuenz, where we, every week, we interview an interesting slash famous person about their friendships. Do you let them know which one are they are? That's how we start. We're like, and of course this week is an interesting person episode. Tune in next week for a famous one.

Do you ever try and get one who's both? That's not possible. They don't exist. That's our white whale. The unicorn, yes. But we ask each, it's, we ask people there to tell us about their first friend, their fastest friend, their former friend and their forever friend. And it's kind of, it's a little bit of a, we like, hearing people being out of talk about their like childhoods and stuff.

It's basically just, it's just a chatty podcast. But, you know, like the next one that we've got coming out is Sarah Blasco. And then, but we've, we've got,

uh, the one before that was with Ryan Shelton. Like, it's quite a mixed group of people, but it's fun. Listen to it. Foyns. Fulens.

Fens. And then the first 20 minutes of every episode is kind of us just shooting the shit. Being actual Foyne's. Yeah. Because she lives in London, so it's kind of the only ways that we can catch up with her as well. But yeah, have a listen. We like it. Is that a good sell? Yes. It is.

So like Maya. Maya, we like it. Yeah. But thank you so much for having me on. Thanks so much for being on. Great story. I enjoyed it. There were genuinely times that I forgot that I was on the podcast because I was listening to the podcast. And then I was waiting for Jess to cut in and I was like, oh, wait, no. I'm the Jess. I'm Jess. So good. And you're going to be on our 500th episode. Yes. Big theatre show. So,

a bit of fun. So excited. What is that? Is that show? Is there lots of guests? Oh, yes. And you're the first one I guess I think we're announcing now then. Oh.

Yeah. We've got a series of series. And is it we, some of us, we come out for a minute and then leave or is it a, I'll stop talking about this because it feels like you haven't announced it. No, we're working about it. No, we're working about. But maybe you'll come out, do a magic trick. Oh.

This is your card. So the very. aggressive magician. This is your car. And then you shoot a homemade gun and then you're... Yeah, yeah. It's something to do with the episode that you've been on previously. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this makes sense for you. Yeah, yeah. Wow. But now I'm very excited about I think where we think it'll be more like you just come and sit and we talk about a topic. But while you're doing magic.

While I'm doing magic. Yeah. You're doing magic. Penn and Teller are going to be there and we have to fool them. Do it in a way that only the live audience is being entertained by it and it won't affect us being able to release it as a podcast. Yes, you can't distract us because we've got to be talking about the topic. Don't distract us. You can't say anything about your mat. You can still talk about what we're talking about. But on Mike, you can't.

So you might hear just off Mike, me talking to wanting to members being like, is this your car? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Okay, so remember this car. Ace of clubs. That's what I just said. I need to work on my magic. No, that's good.

I think that's really good stuff. Well, yeah, thank you very much for having me on. Ace of clubs is a thing. No, it's not. Oh, no. Is it? Yeah. I thought it wasn't, but it is.

I thought you were being like, out of all the suits, that's the lowest one. Yeah, but I was also picturing a heart as the ace. Yes. Me too. Yeah. Oh, no. I'm Matt.

You're the mad of the show now. You stick around, you want to be the jest, but everyone ends up becoming the mat. Yeah. Thanks so much for joining. No, thank you. It's been so fun. This has been a real treat.

Thanks for having me on. I really appreciate it. And I guess I'll, uh, This will be one of the only episodes in a long time that I won't listen to. I can't listen to myself. No, yeah, 100%. No, no, no, no. Nice to meet you, AJ, even though I haven't met you, but I'm meeting you in recording.

Well, as we say goodbye to Reese. Goodbye, Reese. We actually, I mean, we stop briefly and walk them out. But as we say goodbye to Reese, we say, we say hello to everyone's favorite section of the show. Hello to everyone's favorite section of the show. I can't stop. I can't stop. That was,

hopefully that was a fun episode. It was, it was a unique experience because Dave, normally is just the report giver who has self-doubt about the episode. But when there's a guest and a report writer, we both got to, and Reese and I both needed you to say, no,

that was okay. It was good, no, because the catchphrase of the report giver as always, was that any good? Yeah. Which we all have said, hundreds of times each at this point

because when you're in the report you kind of like feel like you're stopping the fun a lot of the time but obviously it's a big part of the show it's doing the report, very important part and Reese so funny in everything they do

but it's like I don't know was that anything and I was like yeah you were so funny you're always so funny you're always so funny and so really really thing Reese

so cool to have them on as well real pleasure and And as Reese was leaving, said, well, that'd be the first episode I don't want to listen to. Yes. And we understand. You don't love listening back to yourself, which is why we've brought in a beautiful AJ to edit these things. So we don't have to listen back to our house, Drivel on.

But anyway, what is this section, Matt? What are we here for? Well, this is where we thank our supporters who make the show possible. They do so at, what is it? Patreon.com slash do go on pod. That's right. Patreon. dot com slash do on pod and uh people go there sign up on various levels uh support the show this

what keeps the lights on keeps the mics on keeps the recording on etc hey but everyone listening is also doing that but these people do it a little bit more you know in a different way in a different way absolutely because one thing they get is um ad free listening why yeah so i don't have to put it with any of the ads they also get bonus episodes we put out four a month and there's over 250 in the back catalogue that you get access to straight away they are there forever so So you can absolutely jump on that. You hear about live shows before anyone else. We can't.

What if, what if there's some sort of critical issue with storage? Gosh, which we are facing yet again once in our Google Drive. So is that why it's on your mind? You just can't say forever. Or there's some sort of nuclear war. Yeah. So I'm just saying nothing's forever. Okay, nothing's forever.

But at the time of recording, you get access to the fullback. There's no plans to get rid of any of that. But like nuclear war, we don't control that. Do you control that? No. Hopefully that pause wasn't too long. And you also get to vote for topics, so you get to decide what the show is all about. Like, yeah, listeners like I was saying, listeners on multiple occasions chose to vote against the one we did today.

Exactly, and no one wanted to suggest this topic. But you also get part of the, you also get access to the Patreon Facebook group, which is a beautiful part of the internet. You might be thinking Facebook, I haven't used that in years. Well, let me tell you, it's worth getting on there again just to be. in this beautiful group. So supportive and lovely. Oh my God, I just pulled off Dave's head. It was Zuckerberg all along.

That's right. You got Zucked. Honestly, don't sign up to Facebook because of us. So that would not make me feel good. But if you happen already be on it. If you're already on there and you want it to be better, you want it to be improved, we'll do that for you.

Now, they're all fantastic things. But another thing people get involved in, if they are on the Sydney-Schenberg level, Memorial Rest and Peace package level or above, you get to be involved in the fact quote of question, which is a section of the show that goes, has a jingle that goes something like this. Fact quote or question.

Dong. Dong. He always remembers the dong. And you always remember the song. Oh, sorry. Sorry. Yeah, that's something we're trying to say, cut it out, Dave.

Too many hits from the bong from you. I'm just bubbling away. We call you bloody Cypress Hill over there. So this one, yeah, you get to give us a fact quote a question or a bragger or suggestion or really whatever you like. And I read them out. You also get to give yourself a title. I don't read them out before we read them out.

So there's no quality control. I didn't mean like that. But that doesn't need to be. I mean no quality control on my pronunciations is what I'm saying. That's right. There's no rehearsal. The first one comes from Jesse N. A.K.

Guy who hopes his boss doesn't listen to the pod. Well, let's bleep out the surname there, AJ. What do you think about that? Are you thinking of its nominative determinism? Like, they're napping at work? Is that where the worry is there? Well, actually, also, Jesse would have thought of this. So, I'm just don't, yeah, you probably don't have to worry about that, AJ.

Because I think Jesse, if needed, probably already put in a fake name. Unbleep it, AJ. The first one comes from Jesse Napper, aka guy who hopes his boss doesn't listen to the pod. You get to write if it's a fact quote of question or and Jesse's written life news slash question. Wow. Writing, howdy all? Wow.

What a great episode this has been. I agree. That's what I told Reese and Matt, but they wouldn't listen. I can't believe that twist at the end. Oh my God, that is made. I'm about to pull my gun out. Shoot the podcast. Is someone watching us?

Congratulations to Matt. It says insert report writer's name here. On writing, what is by far the best? report I've ever heard. You've always been my favorite report. Right. That means a lot, actually, Jesse. I think the other two have a lot to learn from you. Hey, we are, well, I'm here. Jess will never hear this, but I'm here. And you're here to learn. I'm here to learn. Thank you for pointing out the area of my ways. I'm here to share some wonderful news about my life. I got engaged. Woohoo! Air horn, air horn. Congratulations. My beautiful now fiance,

holly. Holy was caught. Oh my God. Is the thing about the boss? Holly is your boss. wife or something. You can get to the boss's wife. I hope my boss hasn't heard. Oh. Oh, boss's mom. Holly was kind enough to say yes, which makes me so happy. That's such a funny way to phrase it.

She is by far the best thing that's ever happened to me, and I can't wait to spend the rest of my life with her. We've decided to elope without any of our friends or family present, which our parents weren't stoked to hear, but it's how we want to do it. Like the fast moves we are, we've got to. got engaged on the 30th of January and we already have our elopement date set for March 15th. So we'll probably already be married by the time this is read out. You are already married.

Congratulations. Poo! Poo! Poo! Poo! They're air horns. AJ put them in after. That's why they sound so good.

Oh my God. I forgot I'm the man of a thousand noises. Let me do them. AJ, you don't need to. Okay. Yeah. Better than AJ is. And what made that even better was you doing like triggers, like your finger gun.

Like, I know you look like you were probably pulling an air horn, but it did look like you were like Rambo two machine guns. Yeah, yeah. That's what my spud gun sounds like. They've got air horns attached. So we'll probably already be married when this is, well, the time it's read out. On top of that, we've decided to move from Sydney to New Zealand in June. Wow, this is big life steps. Okay, this is the thing.

I haven't told work this yet, so I really hope my boss doesn't listen to the pod. Sorry for hoping someone doesn't listen to the pod. What you should do, Jesse, is tell them to listen in your resignation letter. Put a hyperlink in there in a written letter. I'm so excited and slightly scared for the big move. My fiancé grew up where we'll be moving so she knows the era very well, which will be helpful for me. With all these big changes in the next four months, I might need to disappear from the Patreon until I'm all settled. I hear getting married and moving countries is quite expensive.

Well, I don't think it is if you're moving from. Sydney to New Zealand. You might all of a sudden go, geez, I got cash up the bloody wazoo. Rent's a lot cheaper. Sydney was just famously very expensive city to live in. Yeah, I don't think New Zealand's cheap, but I just think Sydney is like one of the most expensive place in the world. Outreaches. And with good reason. The beautiful harbour, the beautiful beaches. You pay for those views. Yes. There's a tax on your eyes. Yeah. But I'll be back. Look at me talking about myself so much.

What good news, big or small, do you have thank you and see you on the New Zealand tour? Thank you so much, Jesse. Congratulations to you and Holly. Dave, do you have any big news? I don't, I don't think. I don't know if I have any small news. I guess small news. I was stoked that we were asked to do the do go on the quiz show at the festival club.

Oh, yeah. After going, because it is a nightly after party after the comedy. It's another late show. And I've been going there for years. And I've never performed there before. And now we get to do our own show there. And just being asked to do that. Oh, Dave, never performed there.

I know, Matt, Matt, you've been there many, many times. Oh, Davey boy. Oh, kiddo. Oh, one day. Kiddo. I've been looking up to my hero, Matt Stewart for many years. But you've, even in your bands? No, that's, I've never, and that's the other thing.

It used to be called. the high-fi bar. Now it's called Max Watts. But growing up, that was like a great, like, club, music club to see live bands. I saw heaps of stuff there when I was in school and union. I saw Dada Rock there. I saw, uh, uh, Cahed in Cambria. We were there the same night, which we worked out 20 years later. I saw the, yeah, I saw what's, uh, Matt Skeber's band? Why am I remembering his name and his band? Uh, uh, Gone blank. Oh, no.

I saw Taking Back Sunday, Bright Eyes, A-Trey U. People are yelling at their iPods right now. Many bands. Alkaline Trio. Alkaline Trio, of course, that's right, because he filled in for, well, filled in. He was a member of Pung-A-2 for quite a few years there, too. Yes, that's right. And I saw, who was Dragon Force there?

Oh, wow. And I saw Tism there. And, yeah, a lot, like, it's, you know, it's one of those big venues. Yeah, that's a bit iconic. And to be doing a quiz show, so that felt like a little victory a few weeks ago, a little thing to celebrate. Anything from you? I, no, I don't. I mean, can I claim that one too?

Nothing's really coming to mine. That's, yeah, I, you know, you get out, you're, I'm about, I'm going to a family wedding this weekend. And I need to get ahead of this question because it's, you know, small talk with family you see every couple of years. Not most of the, you know, a lot of my family, I see a bunch, but some of them, you know, you say, you're standard family. You've got nothing really to necessarily to talk about. And that's the question. Oh, what's been happening? Oh, so you need something.

Yeah. So can I say, I might say that. And I'll be like, oh, good on you. You said. How much does it, does it doesn't sound like anything to anyone outside, but. But inside our little world, this is a cool thing to do. Well, good on you. Good on you.

Why don't you say that you just got engaged to Holly and you're moving to New Zealand? Oh, fantastic. They'll think that's big. I'll say, don't tell my boss. Thank you, Jesse. Congratulations once again. That's awesome news. Next one comes from Michaela McRae, aka Collectibles enthusiast with a question.

Hello, today my co-worker came across a $1 coin with a vanilla Slice Design. I love seeing cool coins and where possible I will save them and pass them on to my team. It got me thinking, if you could each design a fancy coin, what would it look like and what face value would it be? I know, we always ask, if you ask a question, if you can answer it, that would be fantastic. Please. McAlla says, I would put a wedge-tailed eagle design on a 50-cent coin as heavy as they are. I love them. The best coin to put in those big vortex donation tins because they don't roll.

They are fun. It's a 50 cent roll, yeah. Yeah, they are. It's a great shape. What are they? Dodecahedron. Isn't it just an octagon? No, it's got a heap.

Doesn't it have heaps of sides? Oh, no. Decagogon's 10, isn't it? What is a dodecahedron? I think I learned that word from the Simpsons. That's like a... Lisa taught it to Magid. Oh, well, it's not that.

50. You look at a... up. Okay, 50 cent piece shape. I put a wombat, uh, and you've already taken 50 cent piece. It is a dodeca gone. Oh, so I was sort of in there. I was in, yeah, absolutely. In the world. So what was your, you'll say again? What, what? Uh, so yeah, you get to design a coin. Yeah, what are you thinking? I'm thinking wombat on the $2 coin. Wombat. I just, the $2 coin's a little chunky, no, maybe the dollar coin. The dollar coin's pretty great. It's the, the, the, the of the gold coins.

Yeah. Put a big, just one big wombat, front on. Front on. You know what I mean? Yeah. Front on design. What's up?

I mean, we're bumping off the kangaroos, off the dollar coin just for a one-off. There's like a special edition. It's a special. Yeah. Because they are, yeah, special coins do come out. Like, I've got my lucky $2 coin that I use for if I want to go shopping and

need the trolley. Oh, yeah. It's a possum magic. Oh. It's got, it's colorless rainbow. It's colorful. Beautiful. Oh, that's fun.

What would I put on there? Maybe... It's got to be a pie, right? It's already the shape of a coin. I think it's got to be a pie. You're right. Has to be a pie. And then do I get to take the king and the queen off the other side?

Do they have to be on there? Well, I think it's your coin. You'd put the base of the pie on the other side. Yeah. Oh. Top. Could you design a coin that becomes like a 3D pie? Like a thin 3D pie?

Yeah, thin crust. Yeah. That'd be pretty sick. And I'd probably do... That's a currency I would respect. I'd probably go to the 20% because that's the largest round one. That's a great call.

I'm going to go for that. That's a big pie. Thank you. Thank you so much from Michaela. Interesting question. I like it a lot. Next one comes from Drew Forsberg, aka plaster of Muppets.

That's funny. Bit of fun. Drew's question is, maybe this issue has been addressed one way or the other. But my searches haven't resulted in any new news. on the subject. And I'm simply very curious

about the status of listen now. Okay, I'm glad I'm here to field this one. I'll take this one. If this is a bad place to ask about it, I do apologize. Well, I'll see Sam at this waiting on the weekend. Oh, perfect. So this could be a good opportunity.

The main problem I'll say. So what you said listen now is your music podcast. Yes, it's probably the smallest of the pods in the, in the, do-go-on pod family. But those who listen love it. That's right. And I love making it. The main issue was that Sam moved from the Marabin-ish area where we grew up,

which was already quite a while from the studio to even further away. Damn. And it just has been, it's like it would be like, you know, you're almost like planning a weekend to do it. We just haven't got around to, but I think we should be able to, the setup at the studio now here, means that Zoom or, you know, doing them via satellite. It's much easier now, isn't it?

It's doable, as Alice of Trumbly, virtual might say. Yeah. So I really should get onto it. I'm just doing a little burst of primates episodes. So I really wish you were asking about that. I could give you good news. But, but yeah, we, I think we're about three years since last episode, which was halfway through a countdown.

You and I actually recorded the next episode. Has that ever come out? No, I don't. I wonder if it's on this, on the studio computer. I'm not sure. That's right. We covered one of the albums. Did we record it, the old studio?

It was in the other studio. Yeah, so I don't know if it's still survived or not, but I should try and find out. I remember enjoying the album. Because for a little while, I was like, oh, maybe Sam was like, you can just have fill-ins for me. But it would be nice to have her back to finish it off. Yep. And we both saw Cold Chisel late last year,

which we were intending to do an episode about that. Oh, there was some discussion about. Oh, and I had a beer with the harmonica player, David Blatt in Adelaide. Because he, does he own the, or work at the brewery? He was playing a show there. He's just a regular there.

He's a regular. That's like, you mentioned him on Be a Pioneer. Yeah. Oh, did I? Yeah, so good. That maybe he regularly goes in? Or maybe he just told me off pod. I don't know.

he's um it's the place of the their golden gay time yes that's right exactly oh and what was it like tell us all about it oh we're he he was lovely we had a quick chat told him love seeing him play and yeah but um and they played a great set of um covers this and that but they were they were really awesome me and seren had a good time there that was the day that we went late that night we recorded a primates episode nice uh which was a bit messy I think the episode's called Seven Degrees of Monkey or something like that.

All right, anyway, this message from Drew continues. I just want to know if season two is ever going to continue. Yes, I commit that I will, we will finish it. I've enjoyed being exposed so many new artists and songs by this pod that has been a real blessing for me. Even if that reads as a tad dramatic, anywho, I hope that season two, a deep dive

on the most requested rock albums from the 80s is not on permanent vacation. No, we definitely, we definitely will finish it. Even if Sam can't, I'll do it by myself. But I think Sam will be able, we'll figure out a way to do it. If the episode this is being read on is a Jess, Dave or guest episode, I apologize for giving you a question you can't answer. And hence, I will give you this backup question. All right, Dave, is for you.

Okay, thank you. What is your favorite hunters and collectors song? Mine is, do you see what I see? A little twist on the classic Warnie Coldplay question. Gosh, that's a great song, do you see what I see? Yes. I love the slab. I'm just going through now just to make sure I don't miss any,

when the river runs dry. It's a great song. Yeah, that's a beautiful song. And, of course, the classic, throw your arms around me, Holy Grail. Hmm. Because I think I, I think I would only know the greatest hits.

Yeah. But I do love when the river runs dry. That came on on the radio not that long ago when I was in, maybe a taxi or something? I don't think of when I would have heard it. But yeah, I remember not in a long. Yeah, they're all like this song is great. Ozzy anthems.

Yeah. So good. Great question, Drew. Thanks, Drew. I'm guessing Drew's an Aussie based on that, the way that one ended. Yeah, I don't know. Did you cover on Listen Now?

Any Hunters and Collectors ever come on? Because I did thank you for exposing Drew to new tunes. Maybe. I mean, that would have definitely come up. I don't think we did an episode dedicated to him, but definitely would have talked about them. Or did we do an episode about them? We may well have.

Like I say, it was a while ago. Thank you, Drew. Final one comes from Michael de Rissy, aka it's one degree currently in brackets, negative 17 Celsius. Close bracket. That's so cold. Or close parentheses.

Yes. We've got a suggestion here. While listening to your Paddington Epp recently, I decided to stop about 20 minutes in and watch the movie because you guys so clearly enjoyed it. And oh my goodness, what a charming and delightful movie it is. I doubt if you didn't do it for the movie club bonus Epps that I would have decided to watch it. So thanks.

I'm currently planning on watching the other two and so should everyone else. Yeah, so good. You're welcome. seen it either so we covered it on the Dugan movie club on our Patreon and yeah so Michelle was there Michelle Brazier because she's a massive Paddington fan so is Jess but I'd never seen it

just it up with one of my favorite movies ever especially number two so I gave it a go and I loved it I can't wait to see number two I know you're a fan too yeah yeah number two is it's probably the best one that's awesome because number one the quality is really good yeah I love the first one but yeah the second one maybe just just edges it out and the third one is really fun as well.

Thank you so much for those facts, quotes and questions. Michael Drew, Michaela, and Jesse, the next thing we need to do or want to do, let's put it like that, because it's true, is thanks from our other great Patreon supporters. Absolutely. And Jess normally comes up with the game, but it's going to be up to us. Can we fill in for Jess here? So normally it's a little game to do with the topic at hand. Is it too grim to say, you know, this is obviously a Zodiac?

copycat killer to assign them a past killer that we've covered. Oh, all night. Do we have nine killers? We probably do. Maybe. We could do that or, yeah. Or is that too grim? Or we could give their criminal identity, you know, like the New York Zodiac killer.

Maybe we could call them the where they're from something, something. Oh, that's good. Yeah, let's do that. Because that way it doesn't have to be wall-to-wall serial killing. Yeah. And I'll, you know, that the big bikey cop would be like, I got all of them on my back. Very inconsistent with that guy's voice, isn't I?

I love, no, it was great. You can put that on a list of thousand noises. Voice of bikey cop. All right, I'm going to kick things off. I would like to thank from Bristol in Great Britain, possibly in Somerset. Somerset. Is Bristol in Somerset? Is Bristol in Somerset?

Thank you to Moody. Moody. Moody. I think our summer, how we say summer. Sommerset annoys people of Somerset. So apologies for that. Mood eye. Mood eye.

Okay. Mood eye. The Bristol something. Yeah. Is that you doing? Yep. We'll go. So their place is locked in.

Yep. And then one of us does the thing and the other one does the crime. So, you know, like killer. Okay. So for this one, do you want to do the thing? And I'll do the crime vice versa. Okay. I'll do the crime.

So the Bristol. Dairy Queen. Safe Cracker. What is Dairy Queen? Is that an ice cream shop in America? And we all, no, we had Dairy Bell in Melbourne. Hmm. Dairy Queen.

Isn't it so interesting how your mind works? When put under pressure like that. The Dairy Queen. Oh, there's also a cafe in Glenroy. Oh, that's what I'll see. I'll see the Glen Roy. The Dairy Queen Safecracker, the Bristol Dairy Queen Safecracker, Mood Eye. Mood Eye. Great work.

Then I'd like to, so then I'll do the next one. you do the other thing? Perfect. Yep. Next up from Riga. Is that in Latvia? Yeah, there's the capital of Latvia. Oh, Dave, you have your own crack at this pronunciation, but thank you. Dachikar. Tachichar. What do you reckon?

Dasko. Datsiko. Datsichai. Wow. I was so sorry. How do you say that? All right, the Rigger Tony Award winning. The Rigger Tony.

Bit of fun. That's really funny. The Rigger Tony Award winning. Um, um, uh, insider trader. Oh. What a life duchy, audaccy has had. Audas. Odassie.

I'm so sorry, but it. What a beautiful looking name. I know, we can't get close to that. I've not seen whatever that, that Vium loud on top of the sea. And we possibly met you, or maybe we've got multiple patrons in Latvia. Someone came to the Berlin show. Really? As far as I met and they were from Latvia, which blew my mind.

So cool. So maybe. But if there's more than one, that's even better news for the chance. Wait, when were we over in Berlin? Because they signed up in November last year. This could have been. Maybe they're on the train back from Berlin. to sign up.

But if not, I'm hoping there's two because that means there's a chance we'll get to Latvia one day. Finally, we can do our rigour show. The rigour Tony. I would like to thank from Montreal in Canada. It is James Whale.

James Whale. Great name. The Montreal. I'll go. The Montreal scuba diving. Damn. Damn. And dana mate burglar.

Oh, that's good. I was going to say dentist, and I realized that wasn't a criminal. A dynamite burglar, so the, I mean, some of the prices they charge on my arm. I don't know. They do the great work. It just should be covered by Medicare. From the Montreal scuba diving dynamite. Burglar.

Burglar. Beautiful. Yeah. And you can see why they got big, James Weil, because it, it rolls off the tongue. Beautiful. That's the kind of criminal alias that's going to go big. All right. I'll keep it going here from Lower Hut somewhere in New Zealand.

Thank you so much. To Holly Walker. Holy Walker. Oh my God. Holly Walker from New Zealand? Are you engaged? Oh my gosh. Holly Walker from New Zealand?

Could that be? Could it be you? Wow, you've already, you've moved it. You got married five days ago at the time of recording and... All right. So I'll say lower hut. You'll say lower hut something or I'll say lower hut something. You got lower hut something.

I think we should stick with that because I've been, I'm so tired and confused. The lower hut, cannibal. Cannibal. That's a crime. Oh, yeah. Cannibal trespassar. It's hard not to think of really grim crimes. I mean, when my, I've thrown you cannibal.

That's what a trespassar. Esa. Trespus. Ah, trespass. All right, I'll keep reading the names. Okay. I wonder if, is Lower Hut where there was, Lower Hut's familiar to me as well. Yeah.

But whether or not you've just got married, happy nuptials, Holly. Holly Walker. He probably would have mentioned if she was also a listener, I reckon. Sorry Holly Walker to get you mixed up with another Holly. I'd also have to thank from Camber and the Australian. Capital Territory, it's Kate T. Kate T. The Canber crew shirt wearing.

State false name when requested. Request. Stating. Have you, is that your mind that's come up with that? I've found a list of criminal offenses and there's hundreds of them and I just went down to it. Crew shirt wearing was bad. Let me go again. The Canberra tomato.

Tomato firearm storeer in an insecure manner. We're falling apart with that, Jess. I know. The glue. Thank you so much, Kate T. I think both good options. You can choose between. I'd also have to thank from London Town in Great Britain.

It's Aspen Watts. The London Speeder. Speedo unlicensed driver. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. You don't want, like, you're all getting around in your speedos. You don't want the cops bringing attention apart from the fact that you're like, oh, no, I don't have my license is in my pants and I forgot to bring him.

Pretty good cover story, actually. Well, that's been Aspen. I think Aspen was at the life who knew it in London? Oh, bloody awesome. Don't forget a name like Aspen Watts, unless you do, which I might. Another Bristolian from Great Britain. Thank you, Alexandra Mitchell. Okay, Alexander Mitchell, the Bristolian.

Dinosaurs. Dinosaur, dog found at large between sunrise and sunset. I'm not following what these mean. What does that mean? Apparently, that's an offence. Alexandra, you're up to no good, but what a beautiful alias yet. have. I'd also love to thank from, wow, right here in Melbourne in Elwood, Megan, the Elwood

hair clip. Bomb hoaxer. Oh, yeah. Yeah, hair clips and bombs seem to. Yeah, if you could look at that with a couple of wires coming out of you think, what the hell is that? Thank you so much, Megan. That's, I think we're back on track now.

I think we've absolutely nailed that one, Megan. which brings us to our final one this week from Blountstown in Florida in the United States. It's John Mark Plummer, the Blountstowne bulldog perjurer. Oh, yeah, we came up real strong. The bulldog perjurer. Oh, there's so many grim ones on this list, but it is hard to find. But, you know, we could have had bigamist. we could have had arsonist obviously that either.

Inside a Trader, I already said that one. Brilliant. I mean, there's a lot of great ones here. A fence to alter to face or place name on an engine of motor vehicle. Oh my God, these are all so good. Thank you so much to John Megan, Alexandra, Aspen, Kate, Holly James, Deich and Muda. And that brings us to, well, normally that would bring us to the Triptage Club. They're actually no inductees this week.

Well, we're going to take a week off while everyone inside, obviously. Those people have been supporting the show for three consecutive years. Yeah, everyone in there. There will still be a party. We don't need new inductees to have a party. We'll have our weekly party still. Jess isn't here behind the bar, but I've got the New York Zodiac cocktail ready this week. It is, well, it's any spirit-based cocktail or moktail you want.

But instead of doing like a shooter style, we spud gun it down your stroke. Open up. Thank you. Oh, that's fantastic. And Dave, you normally book a band? You're never going to believe it. The New York Zodiac Killer is here. You know who else is here?

He is here? Well, on the report. You know who'll be happy about that? You know who is here? It's the New York dolls. Oh my gosh. The front man died recently. Really?

Oh, well, they're all back. Apparently, there are no founding members still alive, but they will be reuniting at the Trip Ditch Club because we can have dead people in there. Yes. In fact, some say they, everyone in there is. That's right. So Johnny Fonders will be back.

Yeah, Johnny Thunders. He's the one who died recently, right? Oh, no, he died in 1999. Okay, not Johnny Thunders. He's the one that I know. I'm thinking of, um, no, what's his, what's his, it's, um, David Johanssen, but what's his stage name again? Uh, he had a, he also had a great stage name. Well, he did die, isn't he absolutely right?

Buster point, Dexter. God, that's so good. Uh, he was, I mean, to me, he's most famous for being on a very Murray Christmas. Oh, of course that you watch every year, so he'll live on. Yeah, yeah, I've actually dropped off that, but yeah, had been. Oh, you've, you dropped off. It never felt like the right night last Christmas. You sort of have to be ready for a bit of a slow one.

I just don't enjoy it, but it is a slow special. So, yeah, no inductees this week, but everyone in there, and there are hundreds of you, enjoy the cocktail, enjoy the New York Dolls, back together, post-life, post-punk, post-life. No, not post-prie punk. That's right, proto-punct. Proto-life. Protopunk post-life. And.

Well, what does that mean? Does that mean we're finished episode day? That's it. I didn't know how to finish this without doing it. It does feel funny. Do you want me to throw a name at you? And you can just sort of like do some weak wordplay just to give you. Oh, fine.

Hit me, hear me, hit me, hit me. All right. From seratosis, is that somewhere in America, in Minneapolis. Please welcome Johnny Duga. Johnny, Johnny, Johnny, I'm all like Johnny Dug, good. Go on in. That's good. It's Duga, what's Duga? Is that a name?

Yeah, I don't know. I didn't think of any of that ahead. I made all of that up. I don't know. Johnny Dugar, please enjoy some of the Nuga. Doesn't that all sound like an American thing, though? I think one of the things was definitely true and that was Minneapolis or whatever, Minnesota. That's a real place.

That's a real place. And Johnny's a real first name. I think the other two bits weren't real. But prove it. Close enough. Prove it in a cold allure. But you can't. I'm the Bulldog perjurer.

Should you send this one home? Yeah, let's put this baby. Hey, if you're listening live, don't forget that the Melbourne Comedy Festival is happening from tonight. I believe it's just kicked off. Dave, you're doing a show. You could go along and be dated by Dave. That's right. Tomorrow night, Thursday, March 27, 2025.

For the next couple of weeks, you can see me at the improv conspiracy with Sammy Peterson. And we will be dating the entire audience. You'll be using your phones to tell us what you want to do next. It's an interactive show where you use your phone. And, yeah, it's a lot of fun. But you also don't have to be that interactive. I've seen some people ask you online or, or, post about asking, oh, I'm a bit introverted. I don't really want to get interactive.

It's not like the kind of thing you're forced to be involved in it. No, that's right. If you, like, I mean, some people just go, I, my phone's flat. That's fine. It means you just take your phone line because you say him texting all the mind. Yeah. And they're texting, this sucks. This sucks. So weird. I can see that. The font's so large and they keep turning around to show me. This sucks. Still battery dead, but you can see it says this sucks. That's right. So yeah, you get to vote on what you want to do on the next date. So, so fun. And it is not. And you. And it is not. And you also get to send us anonymous messages, so some of them have been pretty wild.

And then just after you finish, I'm doing my show, Bad Boy. And it's just all about how I'm a bad boy of comedy, probably the worst boy of all comedy. Wow. And then we're also doing the Festival Club, like I was saying before, the high-fi bar, the knee-high-fi bar, now the Max Watts. That's Wednesday, April 2nd at 11 p.m. It's late. It's live. It's loose. And it's filled with love. That's right. Laced with love?

Yeah. Laced with love. So I guess that's it. If you want to get in contact with this, our website is do go onpod.com. You can click there to go to Patreon to buy merchandise to find any live show tickets. All the shows we just mentioned are listed there. But apart from that, hey, you made it. Go, you know, go have a nice drink.

Yeah. Like if you feel like a... Let's just shoot one down your face. Yeah, that's right. you're a Patreon. If you're a TripDitch Club member. And yeah, check out FastFWans, the podcast with Reese Nicholson. Great, Rhys Nicholson.

And thanks again to Reese for listening, well, for listening for over the years, but also for being on the show. They haven't heard this one, but that's okay. We'll be back next week with another fantastic episode. That is the Do Go On Guarantee. But until then, I'll say thank you so much for listening and goodbye. Later. Don't forget to sign up to our tour mailing list so we know where in the world do you

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