Do Go On - 499 - Camille Du Gast and the 1905 Algiers to Toulon Boat Race

Episode Date: May 14, 2025

In 1905 a motor boat race was staged from Algiers to Toulon and it's fair to say things didn't go well! This week we hear about the race and the amazing life of one of the entrants, Camille du Gast! This is a comedy/history podcast, the report begins at approximately 07:53 (though as always, we go off on tangents throughout the report).For all our important links: https://linktr.ee/dogoonpod Check out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Who Knew It with Matt Stewart: https://play.acast.com/s/who-knew-it-with-matt-stewart/Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasDo Go On acknowledges the traditional owners of the land we record on, the Wurundjeri people, in the Kulin nation. We pay our respects to elders, past and present. REFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:Power Boat: The Quest for Speed Over Water by Kevin Desmond “DIMANCHE 25 MAI 1905 Naro 70 PERTE DU CANOT AUTOMOBILE CAMILLE  DANS LA COURSE ALGER-TOULON Périlleux sauvetage de M du Gast par les  vaillants marins". Sunday, May 28th, 1905 - Le Petit Journal https://guides.loc.gov/feminism-french-women-history/famous/camille-du-gasthttps://www.historicracing.com/driverDetail.cfm?driverID=3048http://lesliefield.com/races/1905_algiers_to_toulon_race_autoboats_swamped.htm#https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-algiers-toulon-motor-boat-race/ https://guides.loc.gov/feminism-french-women-history/famous/camille-du-gasthttps://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Du_Gast,_Camille http://speedqueens.blogspot.com/2010/01/camille-du-gast.html https://www.beaulieu.co.uk/news/women-in-motorsport-social-history-camille du-gast/ https://www.infinite-women.com/women/camille-du-gast/  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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I reckon it's time for us to re-jooj up our website. On three. Let's do it. Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Warnocky and as always I'm here with Matt Stewart. Hello Matt. Hello Dave. So good to be here. Quick question for you. How good is it to be alive? Well, let's pose that question up to me, but to our special guest this week, please welcome Rae-Win Pickering. Hello. Hello. I'm so happy to be alive right now.

Oh, thanks so much, Rae-Win. And with you too. It was interesting that- This is beautiful. What? Rae-Win's feeling- I'm the guest dancer. Rae-Win's feeling into Jess and like I do to Jess, I'm-

You're talking over me already. As the face of the world. I'm the guest dancer. I'm the guest dancer. I'm the guest dancer. I'm the guest dancer. I'm the a fan of that. I'm not a fan of that. I'm not a fan of that. I'm not a fan of that. I'm not a fan of that. I'm not a fan of that. I'm not a fan of that. I'm not a fan of that. I'm not a fan of that. I'm not a fan of that.

I'm not a fan of that. I'm not a fan of that. I'm not a fan of that. I'm not a fan of that. I'm not a fan of that. I'm not a fan of that. I'm not a fan of that. I'm not a fan of that.

I'm not a fan of that. I'm not a fan of that. I'm not a fan of that. I'm not a fan of that. I'm not a fan of that. I'm not a fan of that. I'm not a fan of that. I'm not a fan of that. I'm not a fan of that. I'm not a fan of that. I'm not a fan of that. to say, interestingly Dave refused to answer that question. Hmm, what's going on Dave? Yeah, everything alright?

I never answer that question. You never answer that question? You never answer that question? That's not true, I think I do. It's good, it's good. This is episode 499. Whoa! So last of the Old Testament so to speak.

We are so close to 500. I think people one day, there'll be two tablets. Is it the King James next year? Next week. Next week we start the King James era. It's going to be, you know, a friendly God starts next week. Oh yeah. I think it's going to be a friendly God.

I think it's going to be a friendly God. I think it's going to be a friendly God. I think it's going to be a friendly God. I think it's going to be a friendly God. I think it's going to be a friendly God. I think it's going to be a friendly God. I think the King James next year? Next week. Next week we start the King James era. It's going to be, you know, a friendly God starts next week. Dave plays God. Looking forward to it. Famously. Yeah.

You know, throwing off the shackles, throwing off the robe, just being a nice guy. Yeah. What do you think? I think that would be really nice. Yeah, less of the fear that you command. Hey, fear's still good though. you command. I feel still good though. Still be scared. Respectful fear.

Yes. That's right. But it's so good to have you on, Rae. When first time on the show? At first time? I'm digging on, but long time listener. Oh my God. I've loved you guys.

Um, since. You know, Moses came down for the moment. Hand out the two tablet stone podcast. No, I've got my definite favourite apps, the Burke and Wills, obviously. Classic. I mean everyone talks about it. Yeah. Never split the party.

No, I love to go on. Oh, that's so good. Yeah. You mean you've been on other podcasts in the network, Prime Mates and who knew it? Yes, who knew it? Who knew it? Been on BookCheek? No.

You'll have to compete the Quaternary. I famously don't read. Yeah. What? Cannot, right? That's perfect for you. Right, and that's what that show's all about. Dave reads the books so we don't have to.

I don't have a single reader or listener. Beautiful. I know. Works out well. I read with my ears. Always have. Even before audiobooks, which I was around for. I read with my ears. Always have. Even before audio books, which I was around for.

Anyway, this is a great opportunity to hear how a listener would describe the show. Rowan, for new listeners, how would you explain how this show works? This is three friends getting together and discussing some new event that they've learned. And that new event could be an older event. Yes. Oh yeah, not even specifically events. That covers it though. Person, place or thing.

Yeah. I think a thing that's happened or yeah, no, that's even not vague enough. Cause you're right,, it can be people. But are people gonna be a thing? People have happened. Yes. Somehow Rowan, you've described it more succinctly than I think we have in quite some time.

You got so many, many hundred episodes. This week I'm doing the report. And yeah, so I've been learning about a topic and we always get on the topic with a question. Rae, when you ready? Okay. Dave, you ready? Unfortunately for you, Rae, when this is playing into Dave's strong suit, where are you on

geography and world capitals? Not great. Okay. You're more of a farm based comedian. Yeah. More if it was Australian rural geography. Yes. I'd be stuffed actually. I would be stuffed. I still actually probably wouldn't be. So yes, I, before we knew you were on the show today, I'd already picked the topic.

Locked it in. Otherwise I certainly would have done Alpacas or, yeah. You know, the wool industry, something like that. Yeah. Anyway, the question this week is, what is the capital of Algeria? Dave, I think we should give Raewyn first crack here. OK. Oh, no. First crack. I don't know. Algeria. You're so close. You are so close. Actually, I cannot.

I actually would have said Algeria was a city. So I mean, it's so Alge, Alge's Alge's Europe Alge's Alge's Alge's Alcatraz. I would say Alge's. I think that's pretty much basically. Yeah. I've actually, yeah. As I talked myself into it, because I was like, I actually think I've seen that written down.

Is it A-L-G-E-R-S? I-E-R-S. I-E-R-S. E-R's and I-E's are tricky. Yes. I literally had to, you know, friend the I and the E and that still stuffs me up. I have to see it before I know which one's right. Oh, right.

And yes, that's because I don't have a lot of them and I don't have to use the word very often. It's a foreign concept. Yeah. So yes, Algiers, that is, well, I mean, it's partially where this story takes place. Very partially, to be honest. Oh, right. I was excited for that because I don't know if we've covered many Algerian topics.

Yeah, really, to be honest, this is more of a continental European topic. But so can you or Dave actually just tell me where Algeria is. Can I ever guess? What's the... You've been looking it up. What countries is it like next to? It's like North East Africa. Is that right? It's like North East Africa? Is that right?

It's like what sort of? Oh. Yeah, North East. No, it's very, it's very Northern Africa. Right. Okay. Like it's up there on the Mediterranean. Egypt?

Yeah, so I think it goes Egypt and then possibly Libya, then Algeria. Is that right? And they also, and it's very big. And it goes all the way down and they share a border with Morocco. Yeah, right. So it is not that way. It is more north-west if anything. Yeah. And actually also, what's the other one that's there? Libya.

It's split between Morocco. It's got shares borders with Morocco. Tunisia as well. Tunisia, Libya, Niger, Mali, Mauritania and Western Sahara. Is Western Sahara a country? It's a disputed territory. Yeah. And I think Algeria and Morocco did not get along when I went to Morocco. They're like, you can't actually cross the border from Morocco to Algeria. Oh really? It's closed. Wow.

And they do not get along. Whoa. I think they both have claims over Western Sahara. Right. They're not friendly there, to each other. To each other anyway, so yeah. They were lovely to you. They were so, honestly, very lovely people.

Man, I'm bad with geography, looking at this. I'm like- Yeah, I would not have guessed that. Because I was picturing like, Italy and stuff shifted way to the East from where it is like. Sicily is almost touching, you know, uh, Tenezzia. Yeah. But I thought it was almost touching more Eastern North. That's why I was thinking of it anyway. Fun podcasting AJ. Uh,

Wow. Your geography is great. Yeah. Wow, your geography is great. Yeah, those are two best. African geography is pretty good. But yeah, Europe actually is, there's so many tiny countries there that it gets a bit confusing around parts, but yeah, Africa is pretty good. Wow. All right. So yes, today I'm talking about the 1905 Algiers to Toulon boat race.

Am I saying Toulon right? That's a French city. Toulon? Toulon. And it'son boat race. Am I saying Toulon right? That's a French city. Toulon? Toulon. And it's a boat race. Yes. That's actually so exciting. We love a race here at Toucault.

I hope it's not Toulon. We keep it a Gesseraint. Gesseraint. Yeah, I have not looked up any pronunciations, but there are a lot of French words. And yet, because the main character in our story today or tonight, depending on when you're listening, is Camille de Gaust. Who was, she was like a pioneer of a bunch of things like she was a real trailblazer for women of the time. And yes, so. So it's Camille.

Camille Camille the ghost. Camille Dugast. D U spacebar. G A S T. Oh, great. Dugast. How would you say that? Dugast. Dugast. Dug. How would you say that? The do gas.

The gas. Doug. Out on the farm. Cami do gas. Here we go. Here comes Cami. You know, reverse a trailer. Cami too big for a body boots.

This was suggested. The race in particular was suggested by Oz Tilson from Kalauna and Brayden M. Burke from Connecticut. Now, Brayden actually wrote into our Fat Quota Questions section a while ago saying he got inspired by this throwaway line I said in my New York to Paris motor race episode, where I talked about a disastrous Algiers to Toulon motor race, and he ended up doing a deep dive on it. Funnily enough, I look back,

and I actually was mentioning a different race. Oh! No! I thought- There's a different Algiers to Toulon. The one that I talked about was one from Marseille to Algiers. Like, almost the same but in reverse, like Marseille and Toulon are close-ish.

But I can find, like it was a throwaway line from a Smithsonian article that I was reading about one of the characters in that episode. Right. Was it, had to organize this race. But anyway, it doesn't really matter. That's by the by. Braden has done a ton of research on it, including translating French articles, which is where most of the information came on. So I'm going to, I'm going to quote from Braden a bunch. But he is legit.

He's a graduate assistant in the department of anthropology at the university of Connecticut. Okay. So, holy shit. So it's okay. So I think what we're doing between us, me and Brayden, are creating the definitive, you know, tomb time on- Who are you murdering? On this event. This will be the one that now becomes the one that's quoted the most.

Yeah, okay. You are the new Smithsonian article. Yeah. Well, me and Brayden together the most. Yeah, okay. You are the new Smithsonian article. Yeah, well me and Braden together. Yeah, co-authors. And of course- You can win the Nobel Prize for Literature together. Like whenever I quote-

Between you, you have a degree. Yes. Whenever I- I do have a degree, actually. Do you? Oh my gosh. I use it every day. It's huge. It's still, honestly honestly still in the tube that came in.

I didn't go to the ceremony, it got mailed to me. I've never taken it in a tube. You never unwrapped it. Have you ever checked it in there? Oh, you didn't even frame it? Yeah, what if it's dust? What would you do with it? It's probably...

I honestly, I couldn't tell you where it is if I do still have it or not, but I do respect it and I think it was a very worthwhile endeavor. Wow. Worth those 10 to 1000s of dollars. Yeah. tell you where it is if I do celebrate or not, but I do respect it and I think it was very worthwhile endeavor. Worth those 10 to 1000s of dollars. Yeah, cost for fortune, but it was, yeah, no, it definitely was worthwhile. Anyway. Good to get the tube. But I'm going to.

It's an expensive tube. Yeah. I'm going to, I mean, it's just a piece of paper. The experience that was where the value was. It's led you to where paper. The experience, that was where the value was. It's led you to where you are now. Exactly right. Basically an associate for the university. Yeah.

I'm an assistant to the university. Yeah, an assistant to the university. Anthropology department. Yeah. You probably noticed me using my criminology brain a fair bit around the place. Oh yeah, all the time. You gotta watch what you say around this guy.

All the time. Honestly. That's not, criminology is a fair bit around the place. Oh yeah. You gotta watch what you say around this guy. All the time. Honestly. That's not, that's criminology is not like, I'm not CSI or something. He's constantly, he's constantly fingerprinting me. Yeah, you are dusting. He insists on doing this podcast with the black light on. It's really weird. That's not what criminology is.

It's really weird. Mate, I will not give you a blood sample. I'm sorry. Um, so. Constantly asking for DNA. It's weird. Always listening to the who. It's really weird. Wow. Constantly asking for DNA. That's rude. Always listening to the who.

It's really weird. Wow. Taking my sunglasses off. Putting them on. And then walking away like, Matt come back. Why are you always in a swamp? You come back.

I love a sassy line there, that is true. Anyway, so, Brayden Burke, I'm just gonna, obviously you don't do first names. If I'm quoting from an academic, I'll use surnames. So I'll refer to him as Burke from now on, which I think is Burke is so good. Was that a... You grew up in Queensland, was Burke a name for... I remember my parents were like talking about Burke, so the Burkes up the road.

Like, meaning like the... Oh, bloody Burke. Yeah, like you're an idiot. Yeah, these clowns. Oh, no. These bloody Burkes. Bit of a Burke. No. Yeah, idiot. Yeah. These clowns, these bloody Burke. Bit of a Burke. No. Yeah. It's not really common.

It was a common. Yeah. No. It might've been a Victorian one. Yeah. I mean, no. Did you use Wally? It wasn't in reference to surname.

So I remember like my parents saying it's, oh, it's as busy as Burke Street out there. Yeah, that's true. This is like the main street of my population of 10,000 down. Berk Street was your main street? No. No, okay. That's a saying. You don't know that's a saying?

No, I know it's a saying that makes sense to you because- Even my parents had that as a saying. It's like, it's as busy as Berk Street. I just thought maybe it was like it worked up there as well. And you're like, I don't really get it because it's not that- Yeah, because it is as busy as the name of this street. Up there means the opposite. It's really quiet.

It's as busy as Bourke Street. Ghost town. No one around. All right. So, yeah, before getting into the race, I'm going to give you a chunk of info. Really, the star of this report is Camille Dugast. The Gast. Dugast.

And she was actually suggested as a topic by Beth Harvey from Scotland. So you're going to be a bit of a twofer today, Raewyn. Making up for lost time. Great. Scotland and Connecticut together at last. Yeah, connecting together. Yeah. So Camille de Gust was born in either 1868 or 69 and was born into a wealthy family in Paris, France or Paris. Because I know we're going to get a lot of French listeners in so they'll be like Paris. What's that? Where is that? Le Paris. It is good to translate. Yeah. Something that comes up in most accounts of her early life is that she was seen as a tomboy,

but as Burke writes, her tomboyish tendencies do not appear to have been something a family cared much about squashing as her liberal upbringing is often stated as a foundational factor in her activities later in life. Coming from a wealthy and somewhat progressive family meant that she had many opportunities that other women of her time did not, due to lack of funds or just old school sexism. While domestic life was the fate of most of her contemporaries, Degust had her mindset on a higher octane lifestyle. Oh, mechanical being a maid. Yeah.

Basically using the turbo to clean the house real quick. Yeah. Turbo vacuum. She's really timid. All her friends are just dusty. Timid torment. I can just, I can just adjust his place in 38 seconds. She's been quoted as saying something along the lines of, life is just too boring for

women at the time. And she was going to have none of that. She was, she was saying something along the lines of, life is just too boring for women at the time. And she was gonna have none of that. She was gonna push the boundaries. Oh, is he there? She's gotta have all this money. Yeah, yeah. Where are their slave and away? We don't have that.

That's true. Must be nice to go fast. The topic suggested Beth lists some of her pursuits, which we'll talk about briefly and does include motor racing, being a motor racing pioneer, but also hot air balloonist, parachute jumper, fencer, tobogganist, skier and shooter. Some of them she was like at the forefront of as well. Wow. Hot air balloons really don't go very fast.

Oh, high octane. They really famously go very slow and it's quite a relaxing ride. Yeah, you drop a few sand bags. Oh. You're going, it doesn't look like it, but you're going up. Look at you slowly rise. But back then, no one's rising at all, so that seems fast. That's true, yeah.

And it's sort of like anything that is, you know, it's like, it's dangerous because they haven't really figured things out. Yeah, that's right. To the forefront. When was ballooning, when ballooning come in? Dave knows a lot about ballooning. Oh, it's a French thing. That was the Montgolfier brothers. What's that? 18, I'd guess 1860s, I guess.

1783. Exactly what I said. 100 years different. Well, hey, when you're rounding up to 100. That was. But you're right. The Mongolia brothers. Joseph Michael and Jacques Etienne.

Beautiful. Is that right? Beautiful. Etienne. Uh, we, uh, so Burke writes that while specific details of her film formal education remains sparse in historical records, it is evident that she received education in the arts, becoming an accomplished concert pianist and singing alongside her sporting endeavors. She was just like one of those do a bit of everything. The 1881 census lists three live in tutors, which is obviously a money thing.

Oh my gosh. So live in teachers. Three of them? That's crazy. How big does your house have to be to have three rooms for teachers? They each have a wing. Wow. Wow.

And so they all specialize in different things, one in mathematics, one in equestrianism and one in musical theory. So yeah, she was just sort of brought up to be- I'm sure they could just live down the street and come in for their two hour session a day and then go live, they have to live in the house. In case- Call at any time. She's got a musical question.

Sorry, two by two? What was that again? She's on horseback. Oh, sorry. Playing violin on horseback. Yeah. So yeah, it sounds like her parents only started to worry about what they described as a quote, masculine proclivities when she started risking injury to herself.

Doing maths like a boy. A lot of thousand waltz and blues. But anyway, what does he say? I ain't spending any more time on it. I ain't spending any more time on it. Because spent any more time on it. Cause every day. Is it every day? Yeah. A man is torn apart by a crocodile and fired off Queensland.

It's the best. Um, but yeah, so there was, there's, uh, one incident on record when she was 14, where she climbed the family's mansion's 25 meter facade. Whoa. Which is pretty high. Very high facade. Yeah. I'm at only a 25 meter tall house.

Yeah. Wow. That's pretty good. But she climbed it like a- That's nearly three stories, right? Whoa. How many stories? That's more.

Isn't it? Is it? 25 meters, did I say? Yeah. Yeah. Normal ceiling is like now is, oh, that's true. It depends on the ceiling, but in Australia, there has to be at least 2.4 meters, but back then the ceilings would have been higher.

Look at you knowing how high. So maybe it's like three. At least 2.4. Well, I used to work in air conditioning. We have to know about stuff like this. Did you ever use a- Had a tape measure all the time? Did you do the thing with the tape measure where you put it on the ground and then sort of push it up against the wall? First time I saw someone do that, I was like, that is so impressive. You barred right up.

Yeah, I was like, I'm going to need a minute. That tape measure is not the only thing rigid around here. Whoa. Burke writes, this incident, heard Scarlet at 25 meter facade, but you're right, it could be three stories if they're like, you know, eight meter. Yeah, they've got eight ballrooms, three ballrooms stacked on top of each other. Like, I kind of wouldn't be surprised, picturing like French mansions of the 1800s. Yeah. Probably did have ridiculous scenes.

I'm imagining where Madeline lives. Ah, we, we. Yes. We love our water. I'm sure there was at least 12 orphans in that façade. Live in orphans? Oh yeah. Yeah, we got live in orphans here.

Pretty good. So yeah, Burkard's of the incident saying it was documented in a police report and resulted in her confinement to the Chateau de Voler Penile Estate, where GameKeeper logs show she practiced daily pistol shooting. And apparently over the next few years, she got really good at it. At 50 meters range, by the age of 17, she was achieving 93% accuracy. Wow. A bit of a dead-eyed dick, so to speak.

Is that a saying? Is that how you say it? They say that that's what they call, um, sharp shooting footballers. A dead-eye dick. They're a dead-eye dick. I've never heard that before. Is it a real dead-eye dick? Oh my God.

Yeah, I don't think that's a thing. Dead-eye dick. But like, is there a famous dead-eye dick that they're referring to in the footy world? Um. Is there a famously- I don't know. Famously dead-eye dick. Dead-eye dick. Or a lazy... Famously dead eyed dick.

Or a lazy-eyed dick. The origin of the name dead eyed dick is not clearly established, but at least one person who answered to the name was a Chicago man who was a safecracker and robber. Who answered to the name. I love it. Hey, dead eyed dick, one guy turned around. Who answered to the name? I love it. Hey, did I dick one guy? Yeah.

Huh? So it's like, it sounds like it's a, it's an old American term, I think. Ah, there you go. Wow. I've never heard of it, but that's great that she was. And do you think it applies in this case? She's a good shot. Yeah.

That's a dead idea. She's a dead idea. Um, right when, uh, I'm as old as the wind, you got to remember. So I know a lot more stuff. I mean, I'm looking at your face. You don't need to remind me how old you are. One more gust of wind and this all facade falls apart. Of her musical exploits, Burke writes, conservatoire des paouilles.

Archives confirm her 1886 admission to Louis Duhmer's piano masterclass, where she premiered Cécile Chaminade's Le Sylvain's at the Sylvieuvel in 1889. The surviving program notes her performance wearing a revolutionary split skirt design that allowed pedal work without compromising modesty. Pretty good. Society columns of the time describe her vocal debut as a Rothschild salon performing Gynud's Ave Maria within impressive three octave range. So do you say that some of these articles were translated to English?

Sure. It doesn't feel like a lot of them were. Yeah, I feel like if I ever crack it, like maybe a hundred French words and names in this episode, I'll stumble on one of them. Yeah. And if there are, I know we've got some French listeners and French speaking listeners.

Can you let me know if I nailed one word? Yeah. Cause obviously, you know. I mean, it's not 93% accuracy. Yeah. I don't think we can all. I'm no dead eye. You're no dead eye dick. Dead eye fromp.

A dead eye dick. Dick. A dead eye dick. Man, you remember that? There was like a production company at the end of some shows. Yeah. Dick. Man, that got a laugh in our house.

Dick. Dick. That and our sit-a-boo sit. Yeah, good dog. That was a classic. Bert continues, this combination of artistic and athletic prowess was highly unusual for Geek. That and our sit-a-boo sit. Yeah, good dog. That's a classic. Bert continues, this combination of artistic and athletic prowess was highly unusual for women of her time and social class who were generally steered towards softer and more domestic pursuits.

Vacuuming. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. But that was at the forefront of cleaning back then. You know, these are early- these are dangerous vacuums to use. That worked out the technology. You're wasting your life every time you turn it on. They were built with asbestos and they were coal powered.

We had to shovel coal into the back of them. That's why the asbestos was so good, it usually kept the flames from the user. Usually. Usually. Obviously, sometimes a seal. A couple go through. Yeah, you know, but that's all right. That's good stuff.

As she grew up, physically, Camille developed on this. I should say this still Berks academic words here. As she grew up, physically, Camille developed into a striking woman described by contemporaries as, quote, the most beautiful woman in Paris. They sound angry at that. Green-haired and fair-haired with a shapely corseted figure, complemented by a vibrant personality featuring a quote, wicked sense of humor and irresistible smile. And you know, like beauty stands, everything change, of course.

And I don't think, you know, she just looks like a normal, a normal person from the olden days. My gosh. Yeah. But she's comfortable. And sometimes I'm also like, is this how much of this writing is because they're rich and you're you sort of pay the people to be more favorable? Or is that just that was what a beautiful person looked like back then?

I just don't think anyone was attractive back then. Well, you would know. Yeah, I was there. Yeah. It was a much more level playing field back then, wasn't it? Well, yeah, it was a great time for me. Because the people thought like I was hot back then. Really? Yeah.

Kind of anyone was. Wow. Yeah. OK. Yeah. The standards are really low. Really? Yeah. Wow. Kind of anyone was. Wow. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. The standards are really low. Yeah.

Yeah. If anyone described anyone back then. Yeah. That's what I found on this show. Like when I always look at the photos, it's like, he was so handsome. He'd stop any saloon dead in its tracks. And you look him up, you're like, this guy? This balding guy?

Yeah. Well, it must have been some sort of. We just don't describe anyone with that kind of like beauty anymore, do we? No, because it's not their value they used to have back then. Yeah, back then, very shallow. Which is ironic because they were so- Oh my- If someone from back then was alive now, they'd die over how attractive people are now.

Yeah. It's gonna kill them. I'm sure it's not standards changing and stuff like that. No. No, we are not. Oh no. Yeah, hot is hot. Bad is bad.

That's Huey Lewis said. Little poet. Yeah, but that, Rae has pointed out that that corset does look extremely uncomfortable. It looks so uncomfortable. Like it's sort of contorting her body into. Yeah. No, I think she's naturally like a 120, 3, 120 figure. I don't know what the numbers are meant to be, but that's pretty dramatic.

Okay. Is it not? Sounds pretty consistent to me. Yeah, it sounds like a square. You're two of the same number. No, you didn't hear the 3, that's the one. 123, 120. All right, it sounds like you're saying 123.

If you're saying 120, 3, 3. Well, I mean, I'll accept that from the listeners, but you're you're saying 123. If you're saying 120, 3. 3. Well, I mean, I'll accept that from the listeners, but you're watching me go 123, 120. How are you not- No, you move very fast though. 123. 123. 120.

AJ, edit that out please. Well, AJ, you could just edit in some pauses so we'd know what you're saying. Yeah. 120. You know when- I need some commas. When everyone misunderstands and you're still going, no, I'm right. Yeah.

I'm communicating very well. Listen. Listen again. Okay. 123, 120, 123, 120. Anyway, okay. That makes more sense that you didn't know what I was talking about now, now that I realize you guys are a bit slow.

Yeah, please slow it down for us, particularly when you're speaking French. At the age of 22, she hooked up with a fella named Jules Crespin, which is, I think, a fantastic one. Wow, Jules Crespin. Beautiful. Sources disagree as to whether they were married at that point or lived in sin for the following four years before marrying, but either way they did end up getting married. How do you disagree?

Like, well, I wasn't invited, so they surely didn't get married. I think I would have known about it. I would have known. Historians are like, um, yeah, I think I would have been invited to the wedding. I would know. Yeah, I can't find the paperwork, which I mean, invitation. And then other people are like, well, I definitely gave them a toaster. So why did I do that?

Look, I've got a photo of me here. Here's me at the box party. So yeah, obviously they did that way ahead. They weren't married for four or five years. Anyway, so that's only vaguely relevant. People aren't sure. Cause they'll add a little call ahead, but that might be relevant.

Call forward. Yeah. Anyway, either way, Burke writes that it is notable that throughout her marriage and subsequent sporting career, Camille insisted on using her maiden name rather than her husband's, despite the conventions of the time. Burke continues, this deliberate choice stemmed from her desire to avoid any

suggestion that her daring exploits were merely publicity stunts designed to promote her husband's department store business. Like, I'm not, this is, I'm doing this for the. Yeah, this is. For the thrill, not for the. For Harvey Norman. Wow. And he's there being like.

I'm riding this hot air balloon as fast as I can to sell a couch. I'm the David Jones daredevil. Yeah, the husbands will be like, it'd be great if you did do it for the family business. Yeah. Honestly, just. Yeah. You're doing it anyway. Just throw it in.

It's a conversation. Wear a staff t-shirt or something. Where are lanyards? You get the 5% discount, you earn it. It's worth it. Yeah, so Crespin was a wealthy department store heir who served as manager and major shareholder of Dufayel, one of Paris' largest retail establishments. Camille was evidently hands- on with the running of the store,

as ledgers reveal her influence in introducing electric lighting systems and pneumatic cash carriers by 1892, boosting annual profits by 37%. Getting like robotic stuff happening there. Yeah. She was actually sort of supercharging everything. Wow. Hey, everything needs an engine. Yeah.

Catra's engine on wheels. Yeah. Put a motor in it. Yeah. Check out the donk under this catra stuff. I haven't seen that in a while. Oh, god, man. I haven't seen that in a while.

Oh my god. Vroom, vroom. Vroom, vroom. There's your change. Vroom. There's a receipt just spitting out so good. Coins flying home in three people. Just rolling around the floor in a Segway.

Oh, can I help you? No. Department store just full of smoke. You can't see across the aisle. Oh, don't breathe in. There's asbestos everywhere. Just watch out. Crestman supported Camille's choices, even though, you know, she was breaking gender norms at the time.

So in a lot of ways, I think he's the hero of this piece. According to Burke, he even shared in Camille's burgeoning passion for aeronautics. Crespin was a balloonist himself and was often accompanied by Camille on expeditions, which would have been considered highly unusual for both men and women of the period. Ah, fun fact, Hot Air Balloons, I believe, debuted in about 1783. Oh, interesting. Wow. Okay, I would have guessed 1870.

Interesting. We'd be wrong by almost 100 years. Wow. And you would look like a fool. What a fool. That's actually a number anagram of the year the St. Kilda football club was formed in 1873. No.

Is there a word for number anagram? I reckon there must be. There probably is. Anyway, Burke goes on. The couple's shared passion materialized through their own customized balloon, Le Céblanc, who's 1893, what? I know Blanc, isn't that white?

That's white. Yeah. And what is Le Seu? I understood your French, Matt. I'm just being happy. How do you say that word? Oh, Dave does a bit of French. Loiseau.

Loiseau. That's a... I don't know. Loiseau. Loiseau? I don't know what that means though. But it's capitalized. The L apostrophe, what would that be?

Is that like L'Oreal Paris, what does that mean? Yeah, I was gonna say L'Oreal. Is that of? Of Blanc. Of L'Oreal, is that what that means? Ah. But yeah, so- Ah, it means bird.

Ah, white bird. There you go. The white bird? I think so. So what does the L for Laureate? Like the L apostrophe. Oh, it's just the. Yeah, sorry. I don't know what you're saying.

Yeah, that's the white bird. Yeah, anyway, they flew the white bird in 1893 and flight documents show that it was a record breaking 14 hour journey from Paris to Bremen in Germany. So there were nine hours. You could watch a few movies. Yeah. And now we're going fast. The Fugitive for one.

What about the Fugitive 2? For two. Oh yeah. Up. That'd be a great one. Yeah. That one's more relevant. Is there a hot air balloon in the Fugitive?

No. Up. That'd be a great one in a hot air balloon. Yeah. That one's more relevant. Is there a hot air balloon in the fugitive? No. It's beautiful to see your brain in action though. Yeah, it's beautiful to see me just give up and say no. I like it. Burke continues, Camille's love of sports and daring was not bound to her husband, of course.

Camille had already began establishing herself as a daring sportswoman by 1895 when she began the first woman to complete a parachute jump, leaping from a hot air balloon from the height of 2000 feet. Whoa. Her parachute proudly displayed the logo of her husband's department store, Dufayel. I wonder if he snuck that on. Then Burke says, so much for not wanting to be associated with his store. Oh, good one. He goes on to say parachutes have been around in some form or another since the 1400s and

likely go back much further, but they only became common in the early 1900s and 1910s as they were made more compact and easily worn on the back. In 1895, sadly Crespin died of peritonitis at the age of 27. He was a member of the 27 club. Oh, there you go. One of the original members. Yeah. He packed a lot in. Yeah. Under department store. Yeah, inherited one. I think a lot of it was sort of given to him. The family. Silver platter. He was an heir. He was an heir, no wonder he loved

hot air ballooning. Yeah. And peritonitis? What's that one? I looked it up. It was like redness of the something. But it's nothing to do with the, like, the daredevil stuff caught up with you. No, I think it- Just unfortunately got ill. Yeah. I think it's just an infection in your stomach. Yeah, I think that's right. And do you know that from animals? Chickens get egg yolk for it to not. That is the more you know. So yeah, you know.

A redness and swelling or inflammation of the lining of your belly or abdomen. And it just depends, it can be, depending on what's causing it or whatever, I think it can be fatal or not. And whether it's treated, I guess. Yeah., depending on what's causing it or whatever, I think it can be fatal or not. And whether it's treated, I guess. Do they know what's causing it? No, he's dead.

Couldn't pass the egg. But before, before he died, they did pass an egg, so to speak. They had a daughter named Diane. Oh, Diane Crespin. Yeah, Diane Crespin. Crespin's a real eggish sounding name as well. Don't you reckon? Crespin? It doesn't have an E or a G or a G. I don't know.

Oh wait, Crespin obviously does have an E. Got an E. Yeah, I don't know. There's something about Crespin. It just sounds eggish to me, like a Shell's crispy, I guess. Crespin. Don't think that'd be a nice name for an egg?

Yeah, I call it- For an egg, a beautiful name for an egg. I call my egg Crespin. For- That's all I was saying. For a boy egg or a girl egg. Yeah, exactly. That's all I was saying.

Crespin. Really well said as well. Nope. Crespin's death meant Camille inherited his fortune as well, and she's already got her own one that she inherited from her folks. As Burke writes, she now, she was now managing a substantial business portfolio,

including coal mines and textile factories, evidenced by a handwritten margin notes in board meeting papers. So she's there. She's active in the board meetings. She's in the, in the mine. Yeah. I imagine just going, Oh yes, yes, yes. I know she's French, but my head just looks like our queen, Elizabeth the second. When even my mind's the first, um, I don't, I actually, but she's French. I'm one of a growing number who don't, uh, acknowledge Elizabeth one.

So our Elizabeth too is now Elizabeth one. And long may she reign. She's Elizabeth number one for you. Yes. The only one. Yes one in your mind. Yeah. Yeah. And long may she reign. Well, she's Elizabeth number one for you. Yes. The only one. Yes. That's right. Just Elizabeth.

Yeah. Yeah. And the Queen Mother, not even worth mentioning. I mean, she gave us Elizabeth. Yeah. So, you know, I'll thank her for that. Is the Queen Mother Elizabeth two or Elizabeth three though? Queen Mother, no, no, no.

She did, yeah. She's, she's. There's only one. Okay. There can be only one. I haven't seen that movie series, but I assume it's about Elizabeth. But it's about Sean Connery or something. Is there a movie series about there can be only one?

Or am I thinking The Lord of the Rings? I'm thinking The Lord of the Rings, I believe. Okay. Which Sean Connery famously turned down. Yeah. By Dumbledore. Am I thinking the Lord of the Rings? I think you're Lord of the Rings, I believe. Okay. Which Sean Connery famously turned out. Yeah. By Dumbledore. Hunt for Red October?

Submarines. Submarines. There can only be one Submarine. Lizzie was famously. The hot air balloons of the ocean. Bit of work for Age of Addity this week. I'd just love to know how your mind works. People reckon that-

It's beautiful to see. You are better than most at deciphering. Yeah. What's in your head? Even you are able to access deciphering for me there. That is the word that I was reaching for. Okay. A podcast editor, AJ here.

I can also decipher Matt. He is most likely referring to the film Highlander, which does feature Sean Connery and the line, there can be only one, but Sean Connery doesn't say it. On top of this, neither Queen Elizabeth is mentioned in any of the films in the series, though it does take place technically during the first Elizabeth's reign. Raywin is also right about Sean Connery being in The Hunt for Red October, which by sheer coincidence is a film I watched two days ago and I'm going to be discussing it on my podcast called Pop Sure next week if you want to tune into-

Uh, anyway, her husband's dead. That's sad. Dead at 27. But she's extremely rich now. She was already very rich now. She's like phenomenally rich. Now she's inherited everything. Two fortunes together.

And all these more extra responsibilities and that sort of stuff. Did that slow her down in terms of her need for speed? No it did not. Whoa. Second engine, put it in the car. Her need for speed, thrills and spills, if anything, it got even bigger. Wow. Her hunger grew.

Whoa. And she fed that hunger with patchou bigger. Wow. Her hunger grew. Whoa. She fed that hunger with patchel It is great to see your mind work Following her husband's sudden death Camille embarked on increasingly ambitious adventures that would have been considered extraordinary even for men of her time Even for men. I don't know if you can even imagine that extraordinary even for men of her time. Even for men. I don't know if you can even imagine that. Between 1895 and 1901, she traveled extensively taking up mountaineering and notably crossing Morocco on horseback, often traveling alone through potentially volatile regions. Throughout this

period, Camille continued to develop her skills in an astonishingly diverse range of sports and activities. She became an accomplished fencer, skier, rifle and pistol shooter and horse trainer while maintaining her artistic pursuits as a concert pianist and singer. Wow, that's a lot. That's hard to lug a full grand piano on horseback across the Moroccan desert. But she had a baby grand. Yeah, that's that. She invented the baby grand.

She honestly was hogging it. Wasn't she like skills and. Yeah, it makes you feel really. A lot of them though, to be fair, were just self-defense. Yeah. There was a lot of shooting and fencing. I want to know how to look after myself. Yes.

I think that makes a lot of sense. Get away in a hot air balloon. Oh yeah. Yeah. All of it. She was holding her keys between her hands for sure. You got her through Morocco, I guess. I don't know.

Between her hands. Between her hands. Is that what you meant? Where else would you hold your keys, mate? Between her thumbs. I wouldn't want to mess with this woman. Oh no. She sounds like a real badass.

Yeah. Yeah. And she would have had the baby, the baby on her back. I just strapped it to the back. Just scrapped it out. Yeah, well, the baby doesn't come up all the time. Oh no. She sounds like a real bad ass. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And she would have had the baby, the baby on her back. Oh, just strapped to the back. Just strapped it on. Yeah. Well, the baby doesn't come up a lot. Okay. I get the feeling that maybe the baby was at home. Okay.

Maybe in its own wing. Probably had three babysitters live in, look after. Yeah. So she was doing fine. The baby grows up. Their relationship's not so good. We'll mention that a bit later. Oh, okay.

Yeah, Berks was like, tried like really couldn't find much out about Diane growing up and stuff. Oh. You're like, while the mom's gallivanting, the dad's dead. She was a real, real.

I'm just a dead, real deadbeat dad. Yeah. Hold the beat. Then Diane, she can't get around the house. It's like I'm ordering a salad or something, hold the beat. Yeah. Hold the day and get out. It's like I'm ordering a salad or something. I'll debate. Deadbeat. Hold the. You don't like it.

No, I really love it. Actually hold the bait and then put it in my mouth. Hold us as a two bites. My hands are holding something else. My hands are holding parakeets. That's like, I always say, can't beat a root mate. You always say that. Man, I love beetroot. Can't beat a root around a bush. So sorry.

It would be so inappropriate for you to apologize for any dog shit riff because apart from anything, that's a big part of the show is. That's the show. And you're also looking at me? Have you heard what the shit that's fallen out of my mouth so far today? You apologize to this guy? No one apologizes to me. I say, yeah, I should. Get some self-respect in yourself.

Oh my god. This is making me rethink all of my- Was it, is it when you said holding your keys and trying to change your hands and I was an asshole and not understanding clearly what you meant? Look more at Dave. He's way more supportive. Two thumbs up right there. I don't know.

Look into those big blue eyes of his as well. You'll get lost in that. Oh, there we go. Below the rims. No, above the rims. Never below. Whatever gets you through the craziness that is sitting next to you. Back to Burke.

In 1898, Camille expanded her sporting repertoire by learning to drive, which is obviously it's quite a new thing. Yeah, wow. Becoming only the second French woman to receive her driver's license, the first being Anne de Rochon-Roe, Adem-Montana, Duchess of Uzzers, who was also the first woman in Paris to get a speeding ticket. Oh, same day? Yeah, I couldn't. Yeah. How quickly are they giving out speeding tickets? I would have

thought that wouldn't have, and I would have thought that would have that wouldn't have. And I actually do imagine that would have been years later, probably. Yeah. Camille dove headfirst into motorsport, acquiring both a... Sounds painful. She's wearing a helmet. Burke might have left off the R there. Camille drove headfirst. Nice. Burke might have left off the other. Camille drove had first. Max.

Yes, she got both a pan had and a Peugeot automobile. How do you say Peugeot in a Frenchy sort of way? Peugeot. Peugeot. But what's the first brand? Panhard. Bernard. Don't know.

Still exists. And potentially she inherited those from her husband. It's unclear. This decision. Like the cars or the full business like she owns. This decision to embrace the new technology of automobiles would soon lead to her most significant sporting achievements and public recognition. France was at the center of the world's automaking industry in the early 1900s, making something like half of the world's cars at the time. I think in 1903 that were at like, I read somewhere 49%. They made like seven cars.

I mean, I say, yeah, exactly. I was like, I was thinking that was impressive. Surely there's not that many cars getting around. They made 49 cars. It was way better to do percentages back then. Yeah. When you make 100 cars a year. Let's count it 100. The first woman kept crashing on them.

Yeah, none survived. Go do fast. Go too fast. Come on. So yeah, it's unsurprising that France was also the centre of the burgeoning motor racing scene. While the industry was on her doorstep, it was still seen as the domain of men and in particular wealthy men. Fat cats. It was far too dangerous for little ladies. Even the wealthy ladies.

She's 50% of it. She's wealthy at least. Halfway there. Yeah. Of the women. Of, you have to be a wealthy man. Oh yes. Okay.

She's wealthy. So she's got the wealthy down. She's also at one point half of the women in France who have lost influence. That's what I was going to say. And also at one point, half of the women in France who had the last influence. That's what I was going to say. So really she's, yeah. To be the sole surviving driver. Burke rides after watching the start of the 1900 Paris Lyon race, Paris Lyon, I should

say, Paris Lion race, she became determined to participate in competitive motorsport herself. In June of 1901, she entered the prestigious Paris to Berlin trail, organised by the automobile club de France, becoming the only female competitor in the main event. For this grueling international race, Camille drove a 20 horsepower Panhard L'Avaisseur, a relatively standard road vehicle rather than a specialised racing vehicle. So she competed in the heavy car class for vehicles over 650 kegs with the Duke of Sagons serving as her riding mechanic. It's so fun. It's like it's only rich people. So the ride on mechanics are Duke.

Yeah. This entry- He's not getting his hands dirty. Get a new one. We get another. This entry into a major international motor race made her the second woman to compete at this level. She's always second.

Wow. She's a real Michael Chang of women in motorsport. Really kind of got a hurt. But this, you really established her place as one of the earliest female racing drivers in history. A real pioneer of the sport. A real Michel Mouton. Oui, oui, oui, oui, oui.

The first was likely either Baroness Helene van Zulin or Andy Rochengott, the Mortimer, Duchess of Uzez. That's according to Burke. In this first race. She translated it. Yes. In the first race.

Yeah, he could have. I think he really, he translated so much and just fell over that final hurdle. Andy Rochengott. What does D mean in French? The Russian goat? He translated so much, he just fell over that final hurdle. And the Russian goat. What does D mean in French? The Russian goat? What is it? Oh, thank you. Well, Rowan's finishing Burke's work there.

That's great. The Russian goat. And the Russian goat. The problem is that that title went so long, I forgot who they were when you started. Who are they? They were likely, it's lost to history, but one of those was likely the first woman car racer. Aww, what? So she can't even be remembered.

It's interesting, isn't it? You've just got to remember one name, boys. Boys, boys, boys. Stuff it up. Yeah, I mean, it was all sort of seen as, obviously people aren't writing blogs about everything back then, but it was- Especially because there are multiple races to run around Europe.

Yeah, no one's really tracking it. They're not like, cars are really going to take off this next century. It would have been like, yeah, I'm going to write about the first game of Frisbee golf. They almost definitely did. I bet you there's a lot of ruckus about it. Oh yeah, there's a lot of ruckus about it. There's a lot of lore. They're on a similar power of influence, aren't they? The invention of the motor vehicle and the invention of Frisbee.

Well, that's what I'm saying though. At the time it was seen as this sort of frivolous thing, but people didn't really see a big future in it in car. They didn't think it was going to take over the world. I think there's yet to be a woman play Frisbee golf as well. I reckon you'd like to step up? I would not. It's for a wealthier woman than me.

I love you. Comfort her. Millions of women have had opportunities and just gone, that looks silly. No thanks. I don't want to do either Frisbee or golf. Yeah. Dumb. I played, bit of fun.

Did you? Yeah, but like- You know Rob Braslin? Wow. Tassie Conklin? Chris Bialgo. Yeah. Oh, dumb. I played a bit of fun. Did you? Yeah. But like, you know, Rob Brazlin, a Tassie comic, he's got his own, he's got his own discs. He was up for a couple of months for work and he goes, want to go throw a few? Hey, Matt, let's chuck the disc in our ass.

What are we talking about? But it was good fun. I mean, it's just like any of those things. It's mainly about the chat and just hanging out. Bit of a walk. It's fun. I sucked at it, though. How did it get you men through depression?

Really? Yeah. You got to have an activity. Yeah. Yeah. Then we can talk about things. How I'm feeling. Oh, we did.

I mean, we didn't do that. Oh, okay. And he felt worse afterwards because he was so bad at it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Luca Malo played as well, and he picked it up straight away. Really? Rob's already got, I mean, he's bringing his own discs around. He travelled with them, obviously. So. Whoa, you can get them through the airport security.

Well, yeah. And just let them in. Well, I imagine they would have had to have been stowed. Yeah. They're not carry on. They're not carry on a metal one, Xena warrior princess style. Oh no. You could chop off the pilot's head with that thing. Dangerous.

Can't take nail scissors, cannot take discs. It's on the list of items. That's good. Do you have any of the following in your luggage? You've seen that clip with, I think it's like Ridge from Bold and the Beautiful, one of those shows. And it's a clip of him in a movie, this low budget movie, where it's like Ridge from Bold and the Beautiful, one of those shows. And it's a clip of him in a movie, this low budget movie, where it's all about Frisbee culture.

And he switches the frizzies on point to one with blades all over and he chops a guy's head off by flinging it at him. I have seen that. Hey, you want to throw? It's a great. He just chops, just decapitates. Yeah. Whoa. You know when you assume your algorithm is everyone's algorithm?

Yeah, I'm not getting that. I've seen that clip so many times. I have seen it too. Really? I think it might even be the original Ridge. The Ridgey Ridge. The Ridgey Ridge. The Ridgey Ridge.

Wow. I think you ought to replace. Really? Ridge 2. Just like the Flight Center guy. The Ridgeening. Oh, I miss it. What happened to the original Flight Center guy?

Well, I worked... Oh. I don't know if this is true, of course, but I, when I worked at the supermarket, a guy knew him, he was his neighbor or something. And he said that he thought he had flight center over a barrel. So he negotiated real hard and they just replaced him instead. Oh, really? It would have sucked. You're like, no, can we go back to that last software again? I will accept it after all.

Please? Oh my God, three people have played Ridge. What? I can only think of one Ridge. Yeah, I think of the original Rod Moss, the Ridge. Yeah, Rod Moss, yeah. And then there's, uh, Lane Davies did it. Oh, maybe it says, this is on the Wiki page.

Maybe just in 1992, maybe just- What's Wiki page? Uh, this is, sorry, the Bold and the Beautiful. I think it's similar to Wiki Feet. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a Wiki for the rest of the body. Yeah.

Yeah. The rest of the body being bold and beautiful. Yeah. Wiki Ridge. Now it's just played by Thorsten. Thorsten K. His name is Thorsten? Thorsten.

Thorsten K. Yeah. Oh my God. Can't believe it. A third Ridge? It's K, yeah. Wow. Oh my God. I can't believe it. A third Ridge. It's a slippery slope from here. Anyway, so she's she's entered a race and she finished 33rd overall and 12th in the heavy car category, maybe even 11th.

How many were in it? It's over 100, I think. Oh, that's great. That's good. That's good. That's every car in Europe. Most people didn't realise they were part of a race. They were just driving to work. Berk writes, Camille's racing career gained momentum between 9 and 01 and 9 and 04, during

which she participated in several major races. Her participation was notable not only for breaking gender barriers, but for her approach to racing. She maintained traditional feminine dress standards, even while engaging in these dangerous competitions. Reportedly even wearing a corset during some of- Lose the corset. The most perilous race of the time. I think I got a photo.

Oh my gosh. That's wild. That's funny, like, it just looks like posh people going out for a picnic. Yeah. Yeah. But there's a number on the side of the car as well. Yeah. Wow.

I remember, I think in one of your descriptions, you said that she notably wore like a side split skirt, but so she's still just wearing, like she's not even wearing pants. Yeah. She has an- Amazing. Wow. Burke says this choice may have represented a strategic compromise, allowing her to challenge gender norms in one domain while maintaining certain expected standards of

femininity. So she's like, maybe she's just making a compromise. Look, I know you don't think I should race cars, but I'm not going to wear pants. Yeah. I won't go silly. I'm not going to go crazy. But I'm not going to wear pants. Yeah. I won't go silly. I'm not going to go crazy.

Cause that would make it. My car's still going to be the tidiest car. Yeah, so Korea's really gaining momentum. She's been, she's sort of seen as a bit of a rising star, which is interesting in itself. You know, it's male dominated, but it seems like she's relatively accepted in the racing community, even if the broader society is like, what is she up to? What is she doing behind that wheel? But these racing people were fine with it. Seems like it.

I mean. Wow. Progressives in there. Yeah. Or was it just, she was incredibly rich. So. Yeah. And mean. Wow. Progressives in there. Yeah. Or was it just she was incredibly rich. Yeah. And a babe. Pretty easy on the eye, apparently. That green eyes, that smile.

103 and 100. What are the- what are the- like those numbers? Am I vague? There are 3's obviously was meant to be a comically small waist, but. Isn't it? They used to be thinking people would say like 72, 42, 72. That's also crazy, I think. Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

Classic. What standard? Hourglass measurements. How you would always refer to people as their shoulder, their waist, their hips. No. 36, 24, 36. 72 is quite wide. 100? Imagine 100, like a meter. 123.

Because is it inches? According to HawaiiVane, that's one. You thought that was a beautiful woman. Well, over a meter. What? What? Shoulder to shoulder. We don't want to be able to hug this woman. It was meant to be a comical exaggeration. Yeah, comical. You sound like an idiot over there.

That was the point. Your dream woman. It's insane. Oh my gosh. Really unattainable. Why do you put women on a pedestal like that? Very good pedestal. Because they'll topple over otherwise. The...

Yeah, hawaiianvein.com says 36 24 36. Hawaiian Vein. That's awful. With an E as well. It's not the home of vanity in Hawaii. So I don't know what they do. It's the Vein and Skin Center of Hawaii. Oh.

Do they know what they're talking about? It says for a true hourglass figure, the breasts and hips should be almost equal in circumference. Perfect measurements are often cited as 36, 24, 36. Petite women can have this curvaceous shape as well, but on a small scale. Yeah, it's funny that- Never a larger scale. Mammoth on the lips, ladies. Mammoth on the lips.

Soon you'll be 120 in the hips. Yeah, this is like, I can't, I can't. I think that was just an old fashioned, I'm thinking of like, you know, like black and white movies here in like, you know, Clark Gable saying that to Marilyn Monroe or some shit, but only not them it'd be people that you haven't heard of. Right. Midday movie. Clark Gable's dad. Ridge. Marilyn Monroe's auntie. So anyway, yes, her career is gaining momentum, doing great.

She's loving it, having a good time. So has she won anything yet though? Hasn't won anything. No. Unless she's just, she's into it. Competing. Competing is winning. She's competing, yeah.

But still, she's only 33rd or something you say. Yeah. Yeah. So she's just having fun. Yeah. And I know to you second is just first loser, but, um. She's 32nd loser. But yeah, anyway, the French government had other ideas. They put a stop to this.

They banned women from, from competing in motor sports. Oh, wow. For motor racing. Why? Well, the reason, Rowan. Did everyone, wow. For motor racing. Why? Well, the reason, Rae-Won. Did everyone not, anyone ask? Too dangerous.

And as the feminists of the podcast, I have to agree with this decision. Women are just too valuable to risk in such a frivolous pursuit. Leave that to the man. To the man. Disposable. It's such a strange thing. Too dangerous. Yeah. Other boys can do it.

Yeah. It's almost as if there was a bit of... We've moved past that. Yeah. I did hear, like five years ago, I heard someone, I won't name him, an older person. They were like, I don't know about the AFLW, I'm just white, like, just, you know, women had built differently, the tackling and stuff. I'm like, what are you talking about?

They've taken, like, everyone's choosing to play. Yeah. I mean, you're going to think really no one should be doing it. No one really should do it, but like, you know, you can't- You don't have to tackle. You hear people talking about like women boxes sometimes? Like, yeah, they shouldn't, but either should anyone. No one should be getting punched in the head.

We're the only men... For our entertainment. The only men should have CTA. Perfect. They don't, yeah, not realise it. It's like, you're so close to sort of getting A point, but it's a weird... It's a weird thing you've come to. Weird to draw the line there.

Yeah. So while she wasn't able to race anymore, at least what it sounds like. At least no woman could. Yeah, but it sounds like she was able to go on a few of the lower profile ones, but the high profile big races that she was really into, that were the ones that it was clear you couldn't be in it. We had for the government to to step in. Like, surely then the racing body could like decide for themselves. No, it's the prime minister.

No, no. How do you say no in French though? No, no, no, no, no. So she wasn't able to race anymore, at least in the higher profile events, but she did earn a position as the first and apparently only woman official of the automobile club de France, demonstrating that despite the external disrespect coming from the government inside the male dominated industry, she was held in high regard, seemingly. That's cool.

Yeah. So they thought she was good enough for the club. Yeah. You know, yeah, the individuals in the racing community sound nice. Honestly. Yeah. Not if people are talking about them. Yeah.

The- I think we're talking too much about this woman. And we need to be talking about the men. Who's in this club? Who's in this club? Who are the men around? You may grab points Rowan. So she's not able to be involved in those high profile races,

but she's got like a board spot kind of. And instead of just retiring from competing altogether, she just pivoted again. She seems like even if they let her keep racing, she probably would have moved on to something else for too long. She's always bouncing around different things. As Burke writes, rather than abandoning competition altogether, Camille simply transferred her

competitive spirit to motorboat racing. They wouldn't let her race on the land, she would race on the water. The car of the sea. I've heard. In international waters too, no rules out there. Yeah, that's right. Wow. It is weird that I didn't call them motor car boats.

Water cars. Was it because boats were from around before cars? I don't know. It's possibly why. Ships, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'll get back onto that soon, but I should mention whilst acting as a motorsport pioneer, she continued with her business interests.

And on top of that, was involved in diplomatic work and political activism. Bloody hell. We've talked about before, like an overachiever, bloody hell. She's like all the businesses. She's an activist. She's in the mines. She's in the mines. She's segueing around the department store. She's got, it feels like she's got to be more, you know, what do you get, master of none,

jack of all trades kind of thing. How can you be good at so many things? I say you can't. Yeah, I feel like Diane might say. Maybe a couple of things to drop the ball on. Being present. Yeah. So yeah, we'll talk a bit about this. Well, Burke, well, he writes, this sensational quality of her life and accomplishments made

her a natural subject for women's magazines and journals of the era. And she shrewdly used this publicity to bring awareness to causes she cared about passionately. During this period, Camille was also entangled in a prison scandal known as Le Femme Eux Masque. What does that mean, Dave? First you got to figure out what words I was saying. Uh, female masque are you saying there? Le Femme. Yeah, I don't know what masque. M-A-S-Q-U-E. Masque. Yeah, I don't know what mask M A S Q E. Mask. This is when she was maliciously but incorrectly identified as the nude model in a notorious painting by Henri Geve.

This salacious accusation resulted in three court cases and garnered some negative international media attention. It does mean mask. Dave, you're all over it. Despite these challenges, she maintained her public. So the female mask was the name of this nude picture that everyone was like, Camille, that's you. Yeah. So she was obviously wearing the model with the mask on.

And that's why they can't prove that it is her or not her. Yeah. Because it's just like a naked lady with a mask. Right. Maybe. Yeah, I get that. That makes sense to mask. Right. Maybe. Yeah, I'm getting that makes sense to me. Wow.

Um, but yeah, she maintained her active public life and growing involvement, involvement in humanitarian causes. Um, sadly, this, uh, this scanner wasn't the only negative experience, uh, she had at the time as Burke writes by the early 1900s, Camille's daughter, Diane. Here she is. Diane Cresp, was estranged from her mother. Historical records are unclear as to why, though if Camille and Crespin had her out of wedlock, assuming that's for Yigga, then potentially this would have left her out of the inheritance of Crespin and Camille's fortune. Which is that- But if they weren't married, how did Camille get Crespin's money?

Well, they got married probably four years later. Oh, after, okay. But also, like, I mean, was it different back then- So they were married at some point. Yes. But no one knows the date. When they were born, they weren't married, get them out. Yeah, it's really interesting, like-

So I don't understand, So they had the marriage certificate. They just could not figure out what date was on there. Yeah. Well, this is something you come across with history. There are often competing views. Wait, so people aren't right? Well, they just... People will, you know, records, you know, there might be a little smudge on the page. It could be it. It could be anything.

If only our mate Braden Burke was in the room with us right now. He'd know. He'd know. He was there. He's yelling at his iPod right now. We can post this during the week if we don't mind putting this on. But that's the feminine mask. Oh, yeah. And see, so it is a lady who is-

It is a lady. Nude, but wearing a mask. So that's why I guess people would say that's her and she'd say, that's not me. I didn't. That's so funny. And it's a painting. You can paint anyone. That's so funny.

Even that is me. Yeah, they could have just been like this imagination. Yeah. And if they're based on me, that's their mind. Yeah. I didn't pose for anything. Do you find it interesting that, like like apparently she is out of the inheritance because potentially was born out of wedlock.

Surely Camille could say, oh no, I'll still, I choose who I leave the stuff to. I was like, oh sorry. Of course. Sorry, no rules are rules. Mom, you can just put my name on the thing. Yep. Afraid not. Out of my hands.

Gosh, if only I had, you know, access to a pen, but I don't. I'm so sorry. Sorry. It is all going to my equestrian teacher. The rules are rules. Burke writes that according to accounts, Diane began attempting to extort money from her mother, leveraging inheritance disputes as a means to gain access to her wealth. Legal battles over family assets further strained their relationship with Camille and broiled in court cases against other family members during this period. I'll get into more of this later, but we really got to get into this motorboat racing.

Oh, what are we an hour in yet? Yes. Have I mentioned the motorboat race? Fantastic. boat racing. Oh, what are we an hour in yet? Have we mentioned the motor boat race? Fantastic. Um, Ferris Rides, the first documented yacht race was held in 1661 in England. Motor boat racing is much younger as a sport though, obviously. Oh, well, yeah, she put the motor on.

That's right. During the early 1900s is when it kicked off as technological advancements in internal combustion engines made powered watercraft possible. The sport quickly gained popularity among wealthy enthusiasts like Camille, who sought to transfer the thrill of land-based automobile racing to the open waters. In 1902, the British Marine Motoring Association was formed, officially organising motorboat racing as a competitive sport. In 1903, France held its first major motorboat races.

In 1903, the Hamsworth Trophy was established, which was an international boat racing competition held at Queenstown Harbour in Ireland. And this is considered the first motorboat race of significant importance. Whoa. Like ever. Or sorry, just France. No, no, ever. I was in Ireland. Whoa. Which is, Dave, sorry, is Ireland in France? I'm not good with Europe. I told you that.

We won't know. We'll never know. I mean, I said it's not. It's its own country. Great to disagree? I agree to ignore your opinion. So, yes, 905 comes around. Finally it's time to talk about the Algiers to Toulon motor race. It's such a long distance when it's only been invented a couple of years before. Suddenly the scale has obviously exploded. Yeah, what's your guess at how successful this will be?

I reckon everyone will make it. Yeah, everyone will make it. What do you think? Well, how long is it? LG's Tattoo line. Oh, well it's not long enough, if you ask me. You don't have this information handy? I mean, I do, but further down the-

I mean, I had no idea. Further down my report. Oh, okay. Sorry. Geez. Sorry. If you just do measure distance on Google Maps, obviously, you know, it's not necessarily a straight line that they're traveling in.

About 750 kilometers. Okay. That is- Right. The Google AI was a fair way off that it said 437. All right. But like I said, that's straight lines, possibly even further. So yeah, while.

Wow. Yeah, that is. So what percentage do you reckon will make it to the finish line? Are they all dead-eyed dicks? Shooting? Yeah. As far as I know, there's only one dead-eyed dick. Okay.

But there's more than one entrant? Yes. Okay. Otherwise, my 100% rating is looking a little silly now. Hmm. At least half. Surely half would get it. now? Um, hmm. At least half. Surely half would get it.

I reckon 50%. All right, 50%. Well, let's see. We'll check in with you again later. All right. I'm on 100. Robinson, 50. Let's find out.

Well, how many people did it? I think there were only, I think there were like seven entrants, seven boats. Oh, okay. I think that's right. We'll get to that soon. This podcast is brought to you by Squarespace. Squarespace is the all-in-one website platform designed to help you stand out and succeed online.

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reckon it's time for us to re-juge up our website. On three, let's do it. So yeah, flashback to episode 358, another classic big race episode. That was the New York to Paris motor race. This is the episode that sparked Braden Burke's interest in this story. In that episode, I quoted Karen Abbott, writing for the Smithsonian saying that, quote,

a man named Boursier-ainte-Céphre once organized a motorboat race from Marseille to Algiers that resulted in every single boat sinking. Interestingly, this man Sainte-Céphre was also an entrant in the race we're talking about today. So he's got good form. Don't worry. The early races were tough. good form. Don't worry. The early races were tough. And his boat in this race was the Malgur-tut. Dave roughly translates apparently to despite everything. Malgutut. Malgutut.

His boat was notable for its large size and unique design, measuring 65 feet in length with an 11 foot beam or width. Of the race, Burke writes, it was organized by the Paris newspaper Le Matin. Le Matin? The morning? The matter? What does it mean? That's the morning.

M-A-T-I-N. Yes. And how do you pronounce that? Le Matin. Le Matin. So That's the morning. Is it M-A-T-I-N? Yes. And how do you pronounce that? Le Matin. Le Matin. So that means the morning. Yes, that's the morning. The mat-

Finally, no- Was there two words you said? Oh no, I just repeated. Okay. Because they sounded very different. They were, yeah, they were very different. So, yeah, Le Matin. And Mercedes also sponsored the race and organized it.

That newspaper, Le Matin, was also the driving force behind the New York to Paris and Peking to Paris motor races, which we've done episodes on in the past. Great, great, great. And the whole point of them sponsoring is that they get like the exclusive coverage of it. Yeah. It's very exciting to cover it every day. Right. Burke writes, the event received significant support from the French minister of Marine,

who provided torpedo destroyers to escort the competitors and offered a prize for the race. This collaboration between a prominent media outlet, a major automobile manufacturer and government officials highlighted the growing public interest in the sport, or at least the spectacle. Yeah, it sounds so full on. It feels like Overkill being the torpedo destroyers. I think they were just there to make sure the races were safe, you know, if they got into trouble.

I don't think they were there protecting the little boats from people shooting torpedoes at them. They also weren't there pressuring them, be like, keep going. Yeah. Oh, shoot. Yeah, yeah. We can destroy a torpedo. We can destroy your little boat, be like, keep going. Yeah. Oh, shoot. We can destroy a torpedo. We can destroy your little boat, mate. And we will do it.

Just got a little red dot. I'll go. You sweat, no? I need a little sleep. And then you see the dot just rising up. We'll go through the night. It wasn't just the French government backing the event either, according to Kevin Desmond, author of Power Boat, The Quest for Speed Over Water, quote, some 120,000 francs in

prize money and cups presented by the president of the French Republic, the king of Spain and the prince of Monaco were also donated for the race. So yeah, it wasn't just the French government, it was heavy hitters from Spain and Monaco as well. All the royalty. And it sounds like the prize would be equivalent today to around 750,000 USD. Wow. While this is a big chunk of change, you gotta remember most of the people involved. Very wealthy to have a motorboat. Yeah, so they weren't really, it wasn't really about the cash for them anyway. It was like, it was the thrills, maybe a bit of the notoriety, being the first to do stuff, the challenge.

You got a cup from Monaco. That's pretty cool. Yeah. Put it in the pool room. Yeah. Chug it with the other cups. Yeah. Back to the fine work of Burke for this next little bit. Camille's transition

of boating began in September of 1904 when she piloted a sleek motorboat named Massouin on the Seine River near Paris. Her performance attracted considerable attention, not only for her skill, but also for her elegant attire, a tightly cinched corset under a full length leather coat, gloves and a hat with a veil adorned with violets. They keep talking about what she looks like. Really? Yeah, it is. It's a real throwback. Yeah. I don't do that anymore. Next in April of 1905, Camille compete, I mean, after I spent time saying that she was an Ugo basically before, but I was really not just talking about her. I was talking about her whole time. Her whole generation.

I was talking about human kind. You were talking about all the women. And men. Okay. And probably animals too, if you give me a look at them. Trying not to vomit. Be the judge. Before, what's your dog called, Dave?

Not your dog, what's his breed? Oh, Grudel. Yeah, before Grudel's were invented. That's right. That was a hideous back then. Uh, next in April, 905, Camille competed in Monaco's prestigious motorboat, Meet, which featured an unprecedented number of entrants and drew significant public attention. She raced her boat, La Torquise. La Torquise?

La Torquose. What is that? Torquose? What's the colour? Toque's. Turquoise. Turquoise. Turquoise.

La toque's. Toque's. Is that what you're saying? La toque's. No, what is it? Turquoise. Turquoise. And she raised her no bone.

La toque's. Toque's. Fit it with a powerful 150 horsepower six cylinder panhard engine, rather before she was in a 20 horsepower. Yeah, this is way more, wow. Entering the 100 kilometer race for boats in the 8 to 12 meter class, Camille was reported as being a skilled pilot, but ultimately did not finish the event due to mechanical issues. The Algiers Toulon race would come just one month later in May of the same year.

And Camille commissioned the Pithrey company of Perry to build a 43 foot or 13 meter custom steel hulled powerboat named Camille. Well, now she's got somewhere. Okay. Just a coincidence, I think. I named this after my daughter. Whatever her name was. Yeah.

Well, just as a placeholder, just used Camille. And when it comes after my daughter. Whatever her name was. As a placeholder, I just used Camille. I want to come to my wedding. I'll remember. I did some research. It was equipped with 90 horsepower Charon Girardier Voigt engine. Whoa. Girardier-de-Piedieu. Yeah, Girardier-de-Piedieu designed.

The race was split up as a two stage competition. Stage one from Algiers, Algeria to Port Mahon, Menorca, 195 nautical miles. Stage two from Port Mahon to Toulon in France, approximately 230 nautical miles. Oh, where's Menorca? I'm like, is that how you spell Majorca? But it's not, I think it's a different place.

Oh, a different island, is it? Menorca, Majorca how you spell Majorca? But it's not. I think it's a different place. Oh, a different island, is it? Majorca, Majorca. Where's Majorca? That's part of Spain. And where's Minorca? Minorca, looking it up now. It's also one of Spain's Belarac Islands. Is it halfway between Algeria and Tulum?

Well, not quite halfway. Well, it sounded like it. Yeah. Anyway, so there were seven boats competing in the race and each had a crew of between four or nine people. And they were all going to the other side of the island. Well, not quite. Well, it sounded like it. Yeah. Anyway, so there were seven boats competing in the race and each had a crew of between four and nine people. There was an Italian entry, which was the smallest boat,

only 30 feet with 60 horsepower engine, but it was reliable and that was named Fiat. There was Camille's boat. There was a Mercedes boat, which was a 45 footer. There was another Mercedes one, which I prefer the name of, Mercedes Mercedes. So good they named it twice. Piloted by Emil Jelenik, it was a 60 footer. Then you had the one we talked about before, Mal GGut-Taut by Bosseur de Son-Chaufferoy.

That was the largest boat at 65 feet, 120 horsepower. Then you had the Hercules II, and apparently the pilot is unknown. This is what I'm talking about. They're just little documented things. It had a mahogany hull, 35 foot long. We remember that. Yeah.

I cannot remember the person driving it. And finally, Duke Dukacy was the pilot of the Quantum Meme, which was a real luxurious 70 4.46 foot footer with twin 100 horsepower. Whoa. So that's the big. 200 pounds. And a crew of nine. That's the big boy. Yeah, that's's the big. And a crew of nine. That's the big boy.

Yeah, that's a big. Yeah. A crew of nine. Yeah, luxury. Whoa. And you, I don't know this, but I'm picturing the rich person, they've written their name as Pilot,

and they're just on a banana lounge, drinking Mojitos. Oh yeah. They're like, keep going. Yep. This is it. They've definitely. Forward, that's Oh yeah. Keep going. Yeah. This is it. Forward, forward. That's right. Keep it going.

They've definitely got like a fake steering wheel. You just see the real captain behind the steering wheel. We're doing it. Back to Burke. The first stage of the race officially began at Algiers at 6 a.m. on the 7th of May, 905 Where the fleet of boats departed under calm sea conditions each leaving at intervals of a few minutes and led by the big Fancy one the quant meme

But she was the only woman doing this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a she solo Everyone's got a lease. They have a crew. Yeah, okay. Between four and nine people on every ride. Kamil's Kamil performed well during the first leg, covering the 195 nautical miles to Port Mahon, Menorca in 16 hours, but arrived second. Menorca is next to Majorca. Oh, okay.

Second, that's great. Yeah. The Fiat, the Italian entry was leading at that point. And it got there quite a few hours before that. She got there in 16 hours, the Fiat got there in just over 12 hours. It arrived at 6.15pm, she arrived at 10pm. Taking up the rear, the Malga tout had to be towed in a port. Like, I can't really remember him, but it sounds like he's not too good at stuff, this guy. Or he loves having a go, but he's had a lot of luck.

He sucked at the last race, though. Every everything. No one made it, including him. He organised that race, apparently. According to the Smithsonian, I could not find much else about that race at all. But it's great to have another crack. Yeah. Yeah, so he's being towed in and then the Hercules II arrived much later in the morning at 11am, so like a full half day later.

However, bad weather delayed the start of the second leg from Menorca to Toulon until May the 13th. Unlucky. No sources that Burke has found have much of any specific information regarding this part of the race as it was markedly uneventful. However, that's about to change. Despite the five day delay in the start of this leg intended to allow a massive storm to pass shortly after leaving Port Mahon, Menorca, the racers soon found themselves engulfed by the storm. Oh, should have waited another day. Storm pattern then.

Yeah. If you're going to wait, you're on bloody an island near Majorca, which sounds like it's a cool island. Enjoy yourself. I mean, I don't know if Menorca is probably a dud, but. Go to the other island. You got five days. You heard of Menorca, it's probably a dud. But go to the other island, you've got five days. You're so close to Majorca. Get over there. The timeline for the first of the boats to sink is unclear. The first of the boats to sink, what a sentence.

Wow. But before long, the Fiat was taken on board the support ship that was following close by and was the only boat not to sink due to the race. Every other boat sank. Oh, that sunk. And they only made it because the boat was taken in by a bigger boat. Yeah. Oh my god. Keep in mind, due to the French minister of marine involvement in the race, French torpedo ships and cruisers were used as support vessels meant to follow close-reach races.

Oh, of course. You've got to have the torpedoes. So you were lucky. They were lucky they had these big Navy ships. Yeah, ready to rescue them. Wow. Soon the Mercedes CP was being towed by its support ship before the tow line snapped and the ship sank beneath the waves.

So it sank while being towed. Wow, with people on board or? Well, they were at one point, but they got off. And then they. Before. Yeah, they were. The tow line broke. Yeah.

That's good. And then you had a similar fate of for the Mercedes Mercedes, which was brought in tow, but its support ship had to cut the lines to prevent itself from sinking. It was going to drag it under as well. Hey, sorry guys, sorry. Yeah, you're dragging us down. We can't keep doing this.

And then, yeah, as soon as they cut it, the Mercedes-Mercedes sank straight away quickly. The Hercules 2 also broke away while being towed, the line snapped. And unfortunately for them, their crew was still on board. However, the support ship was able to relocate the ship and rescue the crew before this boat also sank. Oh my gosh.

Oh my gosh. As for the- The Hercules, not the support ship. Yes. Yeah. Okay. As for the Malga Tau, it was smashed to pieces against its support ship. Oh my god. That's great support. Thank you. Uh, it was smashed to pieces against its support ship. Oh my God.

That's great support. Thank you. I really needed this. It's a real abusive relationship. You might hear my support. Smash. I can't believe. And then, but no one was on board that one either? No. Well, you know, they, they, they're all so far. No casualties. The...

Well, Tom. So far. Yeah. Which could be till this very day they, they're all so far, no casualties. The time. So far. Yeah. Which could be till this very day. Maybe they're all still alive. Being supported. Burke says the timeframe here is messy, but it appears that sometimes after the Fiat was brought aboard its support vessel and the four other boats sank, the sea began to calm briefly before getting rough again.

A guy called Mr. France Rachel was on board a nearby support vessel and later stated about this moment. It was midday and the sea, which seemed to have calmed down, was swelling again. Two competitors remained in the race, the Kwand meme and the Camille. The latter sailing with a large lead. That's Camille. I love that they're still like, let's finish the race. Yeah. The way they run up behind us is like, they're smashed to pieces. You and I can go.

And she was going at a superb pace that drew cries of admiration from all the officers of the support vessel, vessel Klebe. And so beautifully blue on the green road. Well of course they were going to support it. Yeah. Hey, this is our one job. That's their home job.

But eventually even the largest boat, the Quand Meme, was struggling. It remained afloat until 5pm on May the 14th, the next day, but its crew was ultimately forced to abandon it. While technically not sinking during the race, it was well out of the running before the race ended and did sink shortly after. So even the one that didn't sink because of the race, sank. Sank.

So this leaves Camille de Guest and Camille, the last racer standing. Kind of by default, like not really. Well, I mean, she was. Was leading anyway. And the only one making good time. Yeah. Well, she was. she was, was leading anyway. And the only one makes a good time. Yeah. Yeah.

The, the leader sank pretty quickly. She was second and well ahead of the field. Um, and a big part of racing is remaining in the race. Steve Bradbury knows. Oh yeah. I mean, maybe she was Bradbury. It was a bit of a Bradbury. Cause like the Bradbury thing, I mean, he purposely held back as well.

That was the thing about Bradbury, no one ever gives him the due for. He actually knew what he was doing. He's like, there's a chance. He's hoping for it. Yeah. He was playing for a second. He, yeah, it was really clever. Just like Camille.

Um, only she was coming. You seem to saw it. Yeah, it was really clever. Just like Camille. Only she was coming. You seem to be diminishing her efforts here, Rowan. And as a, well, I'm, I guess, the only feminist on this episode. Jess often sits in that seat. You know, she has some feminist tendencies. I don't think she's full blown like me. You know, we all have our faults. So Camille, she's still going strong.

With the help of one of her crew in particular, Naval Lieutenant Menier, Camille fought to keep the engine on and the water pumps pumping out water that was pouring into the vessel whilst being battered by 30 foot waves. 30 foot. So she, I mean to her that's not that hard. She climbed a 25 foot meter wall when she was a kid. True. But yes, unfortunately, all good things must come to an end.

And even Camille knew when it was time to give up. And it was abundantly clear to those on board the support vessel Clébe that she was in trouble. Now I'm gonna be reading, there's a much longer article and I was gonna read it all at one point, but I'm just gonna use it. All in French? Well, the luckily Braden Burke has translated for us.

Yeah, but this is for an article from Le Petit Journal from the 28th of May, 905. Is that a big journal? I think that's one of the biggest. Yeah. So this is, I've just sort of cooked out some of the highlights, including Out All Ends, but just the drama of the writing is so great. I've trimmed out some of the details about the rescue, but this is all about

Camille's boat being rescued by its support ship. The entire crew of the frail steel shell is on deck. Lieutenant Menier at the helm. Madame de Gust is at his side. The four men have their life belts and hanging onto the boat, they await help. With what anxiety? The storm is blowing furiously. The waves are enormous maddening. Seven brave men rush forward. The seven volunteers surrender themselves to the wave. What a scene of anguish. Ten times the hateful wave throws them back onto the side of the cruiser where they nearly break. Ten times they set off again. But yeah, that's how it sort of kicks off. Incredible. I'm going to give you some of the highlights, some of my favorite passages.

Oh, this terrifying spectacle of five men and a woman delivered to such danger when one feels helpless and with a supreme effort, they approach the Camille. Our hearts are gripped by a painful emotion saved. But no, the wild boat is no longer moving forward. The sea wants its prey. The men are weakening. The task is beyond human strength. We are losing hope.

And what torments they must go through? The unfortunate ones. Oh, not the unfortunate ones. And these seconds are centuries of horror. And you cry this one, horrible, exhausted. The man has let go. Madame Dugaste has fallen into the sea. It is a catastrophe.

Behind her, two men have rushed into the water. They grab Madame Dugaste and, with her, cling to the edge of the Camille. We can barely see them in the darkness that surrounds us. And this drama in the dark is terrible to live through. And finally, when they're all saved, finally relieved, we're able to cry with joy. As for the Camille, taken in tow,

it broke its mooring at nine o'clock. We saw it disappear in tow, it broke its mooring at nine o'clock. We saw it disappear in the distance in the sea. Wow. What a ride. Oh my gosh. They got her out. They got her out.

They got everyone out. Just in time. Burke could not find any evidence of a single fatality in this whole thing. Everyone survived. All the shipwrecks. After the storm, all the support. All the rescuers. Yeah. I guess it like it turned out that they needed the full Navy with them.

Yeah, yeah. Seemed like overkill, but in the end, they needed every inch of that. Kevin Desmond, who we were talking about before, the author of the quest for speed over water, explains the outcome of the race, writing, as a contestant who would come closer to Toulon, just 50 miles away, got quite close, Madame de Gust was proclaimed the winner and promptly retired from racing. I didn't know she got that close.

Yeah, so close. But yeah, as soon as declared the winner, retired from racing to devote herself to organizing and financing the French Anti-Cruelty to Animal Society. Oh, poor Diane. Still not. I love my pets. Yeah. I love all my pets.

Anyone else you love? I'm going to come to mine. Yeah. I want my servants. I'd prefer to give all of my money. Oh, there was that guy on the boat. He was nice. Yeah, he seemed like an alright guy.

But yeah, let's go back to the daughter. We'll let Burke take us out, tie up a few loose ends and whatnot. We'll breeze through the final three decades of Camille's life. She's settled down, obviously. Or still motorizing her whole life. I imagine, yeah. Well, she's working with animals, just putting on engines on them. Oh yeah. This is horsepower. This horse has one horsepower. I'm feeding it coal.

Okay, that didn't work. Sorry, that's coal power. Let's try something else. I'm making this horse coal powered. No, that didn't work. What else are we trying? Okay. Asbestos.

Okay, here we go. Hamster. Hamster. Hamster. Hamster. Hamster. Hamster. Hamster. Hamster. I'm making this horse cold power. No, that didn't work. What else we try? Okay. Asbestos. Okay, here we go. Hand-fed asbestos. So by 1910, Camille's daughter, Diane, grew increasingly

estranged and violent in intent. Historical accounts describe Diane as jealous and mercenary, motivated by resentment towards her mother's fame and wealth. And maybe the fact that mom can't remember her name. She didn't have family. Camille's adventurous lifestyle and public acclaim may have contributed to Diane's feelings of inadequacy or bitterness. Regardless of why, Diane decided to hire a group of men

to kill her mother. Oh my God. That's interesting. Is that why you saw that finishing? A little bit better. Logical conclusion in my mind. So the gang broke into Camille's home under the cover of darkness intending to carry out their plan without detection, which I think is- That's a good intention. That is a good intention. Okay. They knew what they were doing. Our intention is to succeed at whatever we're doing.

Burke, I think those comments about your writing there were positive. OK. Oh, yes. We like them. Yeah, that was classic. Classic. Oh, I thought that was the groups. Yeah, you know, Ami Burke is translating the French. The French. That's how they speak. They wear their intent on their sleeves. Camille, however, heard the men break into her home and confronted them directly.

So they were detected. They were instantly detected. Are you honest? I better tell you my name. This is my driver's license. I'm so sorry about this. Burke says they were so shocked that they promptly fled. So they were like, oh, well, our plan was to do this undetected.

So I guess. Not even a quick stab. Yeah. Oh, she's awake. Oh, God. She saw us. Also, she's a dead-eyed dick. If they knew anything about it, as soon as she was already to be like, no, no, no, we were just joking. Don't shoot. Yeah. Your daughter made us do it. I don't have a daughter. Butughter, you mean one of my chickens?

But yeah, details of what happened that night, Merky, but apparently all accounts attest to her bravery. In the decades following the assassination attempt, Kamil devoted herself wholeheartedly to a variety of social and political causes. She became deeply involved in providing healthcare access in Morocco, building on her earlier familiarity with the region from her solo travels there.

During her missions here, she also mapped Berber migration routes, cataloged 142 medicinal plants, and documented German arm shipments through Tangier. Additionally, she studied cultures of North Africa during this period with her 1911 report, Femmes du Head Atlas, which included phonograph recordings of oral histories and preservation of wedding chants. I just can't get my head around how much stuff she did.

That is so varied. Like, there's not like a through line. No, yeah, it's amazing. Did she ever go to sleep ever? Yeah, wild. As mentioned, she also dedicated herself to defending animal rights, eventually becoming president of the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, a position she would hold until her death.

In this role, she would institute canine welfare reform, including a code de gest municipal regulations, which mandated two meters of minimum kennel space per dog and daily 45 minute exercise periods and compulsory anesthesia for tail docking. So before they just lop off the tails without anesthesia. Camille's animal rights activism was particularly notable for its hands-on approach regarding bullfighting.

She wanted to cut those tails off herself. I'll do it. But this is about bullfighting. Her campaign against bullfighting, including using acoustic disruption from modified Renault engines equipped with 150 decibel silence to startle bulls enacting 127 lawsuits against bullfighting arena owners and training undercover activists as matador assistants to stage interventions. Imagine that your, your matador and your assistant, it's like work their way into you, they've been working for you for a while and then one day they're like, anyway, um, yeah, I've

invited you here today to say, what are we doing? Come on. Come on. These bulls don't deserve this. This is crazy. Come on. What's going on? This is an intervention.

Yeah. In Paris, Camille established programs providing healthcare to disadvantaged women and children addressing critical social needs that were often overlooked by government services of the time. In addition, her feminist principles were highlighted in her service as Vice President of the French League for the Rights of Women after World War I. Perhaps most remarkably, Camille continued her charitable work during the German occupation of France in World War II, refusing to abandon her humanitarian mission even under

extremely difficult and dangerous circumstances. This persistence demonstrated her lifelong commitment to helping others regardless of personal risk or hardship and showcased the same tenacity, determination, and spirit she showed throughout her motor sport career and life. Just like, I don't know if we've ever talked about a more impressive person, I'm not sure. That is, when you said, but perhaps most impressively. Yeah, you're like, what?

Yeah, how could this be most impressively. Yeah, you're like, what? How could this be done? Wow. Yeah. But she did so much good in the world, but then you just can't help but think, what about Diane? Hello, Diane. I don't know. She was just right in front of you.

You're just overlooking past her to the little dogs with nubs. I don't know, Diane. Sweet, sweet Diane. Yeah, maybe, I don't know. Maybe she was just a bad kid. Yeah. We don't know. One of those bad ones.

She might've been a bad egg, mate. She was a Crespin after all. Couldn't have an egg. Like we all agree on that. We all agree. Hope Adrienne didn't add that up before the fuck. No callbacks. I'm gonna put the Crespin shit back in. Burke finishes saying, sadly, all good things must come to an end. And Camille de Gauche died on 24th of April, 1942, at the age of 73, having lived a truly remarkable life.

Today, while being little known compared to other pioneering women of history, her tomb in France is often covered in flowers from the roughly 2,300 visitors that come by every year. Wow. I wonder, so is she the most well known because of that race or from all, I mean she did all this so much stuff. She did so much stuff but I think that race is like, that was her motor race and then that race were the things that really got her broader attention.

So people still visit her, like these motors. Yeah, I guess so. In like real diehard fans. Yeah. Of visiting at Grove. What's that Dave, every day? 2300? Like six and a bit. Six and a bit a grave. What's that Dave, every day? 2,300? Like six and a bit.

Six and a bit a day. That's a pretty busy- That's a busy grave. Grave. A great turnover there. Yeah, once every four hours, including overnight hours. What, okay, let's say daylight hours. Oh yeah, you don't go with symmetry at night.

Every couple hours. Wow. Yeah, amazing story. I really appreciate Brayden Burke for bringing it to our attention. Yeah, amazing. Beth as well for suggesting it. And also Oz for suggesting we talk about the race.

Obviously, just based on there not being that much info on the race. Yeah. It was interesting, but her life was really wide. Fascinating. Unbelievable. Do they still do that? What happened the year after? Like did they do the race?

I don't think it ended up becoming a big race. I mean, she retired straight after. Yeah. I believe. It sounds like it retards straight after. Yeah. I believe it sounds like it wasn't a success. The government would be mad. Going round to Mercedes, Mercedes, Mercedes. Yeah. The fact that no boat. Yeah. There's no support this time. Come on. Yeah, that's incredible. Yeah. So I think Raywin was closer. Yeah. With my 50%.

I thought everyone was going to make it, but I'm just happy. You're an optimist. Good lucky guy, you know? You never know. I like to believe. Yeah. Um, so yeah, that is the report. Thanks so much Raywin for joining us.

Oh, thank you. Thank you Raywin. This is a delight. Our guest Jess. We've learnt so much. Rae-Wan, for joining us. Oh, thank you. Thank you, Rae-Wan. This is a delight. Our guest jest. We've learnt so much. Guest jest, yeah. It was a real fest in here. Now you record a podcast yourself in this very room. Is that true? I've been on it. Yes.

So I know it's true. Yes, you've been in this room. Do you want to mention that? With your sister who... With my sister, no less, who's been on... From Rake. Obviously. Obviously's been on- From Rake, obviously. Obviously from Rake. From Rake.

Is that her, what's her most known, because that's what I first became familiar with, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah, probably Rake. I saw a clip from your episode with Luke McGregor, and he was like, you were in that shark movie. On the reef. On the reef. Yeah, she gets to eat my shark.

Oh, so sorry for spoilers for a 10 year old baby. She also made out in a deleted scene with Nicolas Cage in a movie one time. Yeah. So fun. Don't at all. That's gross. Isn't it? That's so rude.

Dave's gonna need a minute. More? Uh oh. The support rope snapped. Rethinking everything. I wonder what's, what's a wilder moment being told you're going to make out with Nicholas Cage or being told you've done it, but it's been deleted. Yeah.

Can I get the footage? All that. Yeah. After all the preparation. All the lip balm that you went through. What's the name of the podcast? We can find it. The name is, is this a job?

Um, yes. With my sister, Adrian. So we talked to just creative people. So Matt's been on, would love to have you one day. Um, when you're free, I'd love to, if you could come on, um, no books are mentioned. So great. I need a break. I need a break.

You've had Muses and you remember Ice Cream Hands, Dave? The main man from Ice Cream Hands. The Melbourne, it's a Melbourne band. Oh yeah. Yeah. Classic Triple J band. Anyway, yes, Charles Jenkins, very funny musician. Well, funny but also very good musician.

His episode was great. Johnny Hickey, Luke McGregor. So good. Gonna record an episode with Ben Russell in a couple of days, which will be so fun. Can I request you asking Oliver Clark? Oh, yeah. I'm just so deep in Oliver Clark's back catalogue at the moment. I want to hear more of the story. How he got into it.

Yeah. I think it'd be really interesting. Like this sort of character of the Vegas. What was the inspiration behind short skirted girl. Well, I will be asking that question because I think that that's a bit that we all, you know, it's right there. I want you to ask them the deeper questions. I don't have a tube. I think it's pretty clear. I don't have a degree. I don't know these hard hitting questions. I don't know these hard hitting questions.

No, that's great. That's why they call her short skirt girl. She's my short skirt girl. She wears a short skirt. That's why I call her short skirt girl. I love that. But yes, please listen to Is This a Job? And also if you're in the Melbourne area, I run a gig called Miss Moses Comedy with another

very funny comedian, Jordan Barr. She's great. So yeah, come along. Miss Moses in Brunswick. Brunswick Barg. It's a great bar. Rotating craft beer taps. Yes. Love it. So yeah, come along. It's Moses and Brunswick. Brunswick Barg. It's a great bar. Rotating craft beer taps.

Yes. Love it. And that's the first Wednesday of the month, is that right? It sure is. Yes, you've both been on. The nice little thing is you have to tell a secret. So I know some of your darkest. Yeah.

The darkest recesses of your mind. I always think, I'm like, I can turn turn this is a great opportunity to soft launch a bit. And just like, and there was one that I've never said to anyone before or since. Because it was like it got so bleak in the room. I'm like, really? I don't remember that. I mean, it's usually always very warm. And it's eyesight.

Yeah. And it's eyesight. Not dead-eyed. Miss Red, this situation. Just a real slow clap to try to get you out of there. And you got to start your set with it. Yeah. Anyway. Seven more minutes of chat after that. Yeah.

One and back, don't worry. One and back with nonsense. Zip your pants back up. Just show my flyers done up. So classic Oliver Clarke bit. Classic. Oliver Clarke. Everyone should listen to his tunes.

What will, let's go around the room. Favorite Oliver Clark song at the moment. I mean, I could never go past Atomic Thrusters. It's one of the old time tracks. It's a great film clip as well. I haven't seen the film. Oh man, it's so good. Check it out. Really good stuff.

Where can I find it? YouTube. Okay, great. 70,000 views and counting. Wow. I watched it? YouTube. Okay, great. 70,000 views and counting. Wow. I watched it last night. I don't know, I also watched his album launch, which is on his YouTube channel. What's that?

Um, last night as well, when I was meant to be writing. You went deep into it. Yeah, I am deep in. I'm loving Honey Bear at the moment, which I think is so great. Honey, yeah. Um, but I can't believe you're making me choose. Wow. Has he been a guest on Pune? He hasn't. He's been on Do Go On.

He was on Do Go On. He was on the Mr. Hands episode. Yeah, the infamous Mr. Hands episode. And it's so funny to think that he's never been back on, so he thinks that's what the show is. Which is interesting. Yes. Anyway, we'll be back shortly with everyone's favourite section of the show. But before then we'll say thank you so much for joining us, Rowan. Thank you so much. This was a pleasure and absolutely a delight. Thank you so much, Rowan.

All right. We've said goodbye to Rowan. We've had a little break and we've welcomed in who I think of now as sort of like our guest, Rowewyn for the rest of the show. I'd love to introduce her, please make a welcome Dave, Jess Perkins. Great to meet you. Wow, hello. Thank you so much for having me. Hey, I'm a big fan. Am I doing this right? Yes. Okay. You two have never done an improv class. I know. But you just entered a scene and owned it. Well look, when you took quite so much high school drama as we did, it never really leaves you. You know what I mean?

You trod the boards every day. Oh, I tried. Every, my every existence was trodding the boards. I wish our school had boards. The whole world is bitter board and we are all trotters. Yes. We are merely trotting. So beautiful.

Jess, you obviously missed that episode. Were you listening at the door? I assume you were. Yeah, of course. Yeah, I wasn't off to accept the else. Okay, great. I was just, I just, you know what? I just need a break.

So I said, Raymond, sub in. I don't even think they'll notice. Raymond was just walking by. Yeah. I was like, can you go in? Jess, can I ask you, you had like a genuine reason not to be here. It wasn't a sickness. No. Are you going public with that or are you?

Because otherwise I'd love to just make something up right now. Please make something up. I'm not going public with anything. It's none of their fucking business. Yeah, yeah. So Jess. That I'm trying to better myself as a person. Yeah, Jess is actually taking a class right now. Dave, are you ready to reveal what it is? Oh you want me to? Yeah her class because I was about to say something crook so

I've decided to throw it over to Dave. Yeah I've been doing some re-educating, I've been doing a course. I'm uh look if you're happy for me to reveal it. Yeah, I'm happy for you too. That's fine. She is doing improv level one. And it shows. And it is intensive. So I did have to take weeks off work.

Yeah. So yeah, definitely missed a few weeks recently. It is because she's intensively doing improv. Yeah. Level one. And it was, you know, I got to a point where I was like, it's time to challenge my brain a little more, learn something new, upskill. Yes.

And I thought, what's going to make the podcast better? Better improv skills from me. That's right. And what's going to give me more career opportunities outside of the podcast? Improv level one. That's right. You're going to be thinking about your future. Canonically, Jess is doing this.

And it is interesting that that is an option for improv to do it intensively, because I don't think there's any other way to do it. Every improv writer I know is quite intense. Yeah, that's true. At least when they're improving. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But see, like, often more people will do an improv class, say, once or twice a week, you know, an hour long class. And I thought, no, no, no, no, no. I need to do three solid weeks spread out though. Um, 10 hour days, uh, just, just in a character.

I've honestly, I've blacked out a lot of it. Right. I was so deep in the improv. It makes a lot of sense because we talked about it maybe in this episode of the bonus episode we did with Rowan recently, and that's where I met her at level one improv class. So it is, it's amazing. I would love to know where Dave gets his ideas from. I get my ideas from the group chat.

Jess says, hi everyone. Yes. Just finished day one. Yeah. I'm going to need some time off. I'm, I'm doing some improv classes and you both supported and loved me for that. And, and it is tax deductible because it's for the pod. So. Right.

Now, Boppa, you did miss it, but we just chatted about someone who is quite amazing, Camille Dugast, French woman who, like maybe most famously, was involved in this boat race in 9.05 from Algiers to Toulon. OK. Which ended with every single boat sinking. Famously was involved in this boat race in nine and a five from Algiers to Toulon. Okay. Which ended with every single boat sinking. But she also did pretty much everything else possible apart from perhaps be an active parent. And this was a map report.

Yes. So you were doing a lot of French. Oh, we we. Oh, fuck. Yeah. It was actually off tap. You've had a couple of. It was unbelievable. A couple recent of like amazing French women. And I'm all here for it. Well, I can't wait to listen back to this episode that we're a part of right now.

That'll seem confusing to the listeners, but. So, yeah, it was wild, the things. She just she was like set up an animal rights body and just like every thing she did seemed to be unrelated to the others. Like she was one of the first women to parachute. What the fuck? Isn't it funny too that like,

you know how sometimes people, particularly people older than us, I feel we're kind of like, you finish school, you get a job, you work that job for 50 years. But the best stories we do are about people who have done a million different things. And then people do like, well, there are people in your life that jump from job to job or hobby to hobby. And you kind of go like, oh bloody hell, they can't stick to anything. But really this is fucking living. I haven't read her Wikipedia page, but under occupation, this is what's listed.

The first one is so funny. One of the richest and most accomplished widows in France. Yeah, an important title. That's the one. Okay, so job title, widow. Yeah, so that's the one at the top of list. Number one. Maybe during jury duty, they're like, what are you doing?

I'm a widow. Oh, congratulations. And then these are all secondary sportswoman, balloonist, parachutist, motorist, motorboatist. We did not. We somehow avoided that. We did not do a single motorboating joke. Is it because I wasn't here?

I think so, yeah. And you were being polite in front of Raywood. And we know that that's your expertise. I love to motorboat. You and Vince Form. We are. We can't bring it up without you. Yeah, I expertise. I love to motorboat. You and Vince Vaughan. We can't bring it up without you. Yeah, I understand. I would.

Man. All right. So she was the second woman in France to get her license and the second woman ever to race in a car race. Fuck yeah. She was always runner up. She was a charity worker, animal welfare worker, made surveys of Morocco for the French government. What? She is the vice president of the League of French Droit de Femmes. I don't know what that, I can't remember what that means, but only a woman official of the

Automobile Club de France, the president of the society to protect the animals. Concert pianist and singer. Sure. Yep. That like, just amazing. Out of everything, like. And what did she die at 45 or something? Like, or is this one of the- She lived till 73. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. But it's still like, she- You fit so much in. It was, I couldn't believe it the more, oh yeah, she also started a charitable enterprise for orphans and disadvantaged women. She crossed Morocco on horseback solo.

Sure. When apparently it was unsafe for- Well, she wasn't solo, she was on a horse. You're never alone if you're with a horse. That's equine erasure. And she was also accused of being a nude model, but... Accused of it. Yeah.

And that got a lot of negative attention from her. Wow. Yeah, like a painting came out with a woman wearing a mask, but naked apart from that. People were like, that to you. She did. She didn't have a great relationship with her daughter. And it does seem like, and I mean, I don't think we talked about it at the time, but we've mentioned a few times and I have been thinking in the break, and I mean, I don't think we talked about it at the time, but we mentioned a few times and I have been thinking in the break,

I'm like, I don't, we probably wouldn't mention that for a dad who does all this stuff. I'm like, Jesus, it doesn't sound like he was really parenting that much though, was he? That is a great point. Yeah. But yeah, so, but her, her relationship was so strained with her daughter that her daughter put out a hit on her mom. Oh shit.

Yeah. Which failed like comically. Kind of amazing. Yeah. You're absolutely right though. When a dad fucks off to do eight different things, we kind of go like, well, that's a bit shit. What an amazing adventure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Which is I think the main tone about it for this. Yes. You're right. If you do think about it for the dad, it's kind of like, oh, well, he wasn't a very present father, but at least they had their mom. Anyway, that's just interesting commentary, don't you think? Oh my gosh. Yeah.

Society, am I right? No, yeah. And I will say that it was mainly Rae when making that point about her being a bad mom. So I think, you know, that's luckily a feminist here was. Yeah. You wouldn't say that about a man. Yeah. Man, I tell you what, I talked over Rae a bit.

Did you? Yeah. Just to try something new. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I actually really slipped right into the role. Or right under, you know. Ha ha ha. Anyway, so let's get to our favorite section of the show now that you're up to date. I don't think you need to listen to that episode anymore, Bob.

No, I'm good. So now's the time where we thank a few of our great Patreon supporters. Now if you want to get involved, go to patreon.com slash do go on pod. It's a bunch of different levels. Even the lowest level you can vote every third-ish week, every rotation between the three of us anyway. And then there's a high level where you can vote two out of three. There's bonus episodes from a certain level and above.

For a month we do a D&D campaign. We do a bonus report every month. This month was about a, Ray wouldn't guess it on his own, it was about a spite fence in America in the 1870s onwards, which was pretty fun. Wow. 40 footer.

Someone built a 40 foot wall to just fuck off their neighbor. Love that. And it went all like, all on three sides. That's good stuff. Crazy. And they had no air. They had no sun. Yeah.

Just because they wouldn't sell to this rich developer. The guys are like, well, I own everything around you. I'm just going to 40 foot fence around. Hectic story. Yeah. So the San Francisco spite fence episode is called. Fascinating stuff. Yeah. So the San Francisco spot fence episode is cool. Fascinating stuff. Wow. And we also found a Wikipedia page dedicated to other spot fences, which is pretty fun.

Anyway. Wow. So yeah, there's that and there's games and all sorts of stuff. There's heaps of stuff. In Perth, a couple of weeks ago, someone said to me that their favourite bonus episode is Am I a Dead Woman? And they said they even started playing it at home. Wow. And they said, well, that's not really true. We just played celebrity heads, but I would always start with the question,

am I a dead woman? And my friends thought it was a bit weird. Really? Yeah. Get better friends. Yeah. If they don't think, am I a dead woman is a perfect first question. Yeah.

Come on. Is that what you want to be spending your life with? The answer is yes. You've narrowed down a lot. A lot. That's right. Eeps. Because like, isn't technically there's more people alive now than have ever lived before?

No. So if you're a dead woman, that can't be true. That cannot be true. Is that not true? How could that be true? Well, there's always facts like that that I assume can't be true. That cannot be true. Is that not true? How could that be true? Well, there's always facts like that that I assume can't be true. Like someone was telling me that iron in like,

added iron in cereal is actually literal flakes of iron. Is that true? Yeah. It is. Yeah. How can that be true? But it is true. But there's literally like, yeah, yeah, that's true.

There's a clip of another podcast having this exact conversation that I've seen multiple times on TikTok. And is it true? Yeah. Iron is iron. We're eating little bits of iron? Mm. It's crazy. You thought there were two types of iron?

Oh, yeah. I'll just Google how many people have died in history. The first thing that comes up, it is estimated that approximately 110 billion humans have died, representing about 94% of all humans who have ever lived. OK. And how many live now then? So 94% is there 95% alive now? Yes. So technically- Of people who are alive, a 95% or above alive?

Huh? Got him. Is it true about a species of animal, pigeons or something? Something is more alive now than ever dead. Have I at least made that up from a misunderstanding of something else? Probably, probably. Yeah, okay. I didn't just dream it. Man, I've been having vivid dreams lately. What are we doing? We're doing the Patreon section. Have we explained this much? The first thing we like to do is the Sydney Scharnberg level or above. They get to writing, give us a fat quota question.

This section of the show actually has a jingle. Get something like this. Facts, Quota, Question! She always remembers the digs. She always remembers the sing. I did more of a jing there. I loved it. I can't believe you didn't harmonize with me. You harmonize with each other and never harmonize with me. But I appreciate both of your work and this section of the show. This section of the show, people on the Sydney Schomburg level get to give us a fact or quote

or a question or a brag or a suggestion or really whatever they like. And then I read them out on the show. And this is episode 499, I believe. It absolutely is. So I'm reading out first up from Conner B. Conner gets to give themselves a title and Conner's title is Senior Coordination Officer for the placement of essential quest clues that seem to be coincidental, but are actually strategically placed to appear to adventurers at just the right time and not a second before. That's a pretty important role, Conner B, I would like to think. Wow, well done.

Conner's got a recipe. Ooh, I've had a recipe for a little while. I've been cooking a bit more lately. I did my first spaghetti bolognese last week. Oh my God, you're fucking dull. Sorry. That's awesome. And then I turned it into the next night into spaghetti bolognacchos.

That's a bit of fun. That is nice. Is that better? Portmanteaus are the number one podcast joke. So thanks for doing it. That's good stuff. It's not really a joke. It's more of just a meal I had.

Yeah. And he's just sharing with us his personal growth. At 34 years old, he's cooking bolognese. First ever. I thought you were joking. Spaghetti bolognaccio. It was great. So what it is is nachos.

No, we get it. But with bolognese. Yeah, we get it. But there's no spaghetti. No, it's just bolognaccio. Yeah, but if I said that without context, you'd be like, what the hell are you talking about? Is that like a bit like chilli? Almost like a lasagna.

Yeah, that's not... Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty... Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty common though. The nachos with a bit of chilli on top, is it? Yeah, but it's, I don't know. It's more of an Italian, Italian Mexican. More of an Italian sort of like a red winey sauce versus a...

I wish they could see, Dave. It looks like he's... He's squishing the balls. Yeah, it does. It looks like he's cupping balls. That's right. If your tomatoes doing that, put it back. Yeah. All right. So here's the recipe. Two ingredients, baking soda, vinegar. It kind of says, I think you can figure out what to do with it.

It's honestly just a fun thing to do sometimes. You can also do it with a vase buried in sand or dirt. You and some others can mark some spots in the sand and the first person's point that the lava reaches wins. It's a bit like marble racing but with fake lava." Baking soda and vinegar, that's how you make those American science projects. Right, right, right. And then- That I've seen on The Simpsons. And the competition, you set them off and try not to.

Yeah, I guess you're all set in a certain point. I'd sit up, up the dune. I reckon that'd be my. Right up the dune. Right up. Right up. Mate, I'd put it right up the dune. Hang on. Thanks so much, Conor B. I've never seen one of those done in Australia,

but they seem to be on every American TV show, kids making a volcano. Classic science fair. Uh, thank you Conner B. Next one comes from David Loring. Was it Loring like boring or Loring like boring? It's like boring, isn't it? Loring. David Loring. Okay. Not like boring. Just think of the word boring. And David's gone with the title, executive director of hype and hyperbole, hyperbole even. I think both of those pronunciations at least. David writes, we all know there are the appointed decision makers over which facts are fun,

grill, grim and dull. That's a grill fact. Yeah, that's a poor manto. Can I do that now I'm a chef? Yeah. I'll do grill facts. You've done one Bolognese and you're like, I'm a chef. I'm a chef.

Well, you did one Bolognese and one taco Bolognese. Bolognache. Taco Bolognese. That works better, doesn't it? Let's just move on. I can't look at you right now. One Bolognese and one taco Bolognese. Bolognache. Taco Bolognese. That works better, doesn't it? Let's just move on. Taco Bolognese.

I can't look at you right now. Taco Bolognese. That's night three, Taco Bolognese. And what that is, is tacos. Shut up! Bolognaco? Bolognaco. Bolarito.

That's pretty good. But David keeps going, but you may need to assign someone to the facts that are shocking, earth-shattering, and up-and-all you have ever known. Oh, God. Like a life-changing fact for possibly bad reasons. Are you ready for this? Nutbush, Tennessee is an unincorporated rural community, meaning it doesn't have formal incorporated status as a town or city. And though it does have a general have general boundaries, this means that it does not, in fact, have city limits.

No. Whoa. Mind blown emoji. Bye. What is she singing about then? Makes no sense. So they call it nutbush city limits. then. Makes no sense. So they call it Nutbush City Limits. Doesn't- I don't think she ever says, technically it is the Nutbush City Limits. She says, Nutbush City Limits. They call it Nutbush City Limits.

Or am I adding the- they call it Biddy Limits. I think so. Next we'll be hearing that that dance isn't like, official. It's not an international thing that we all do at weddings and school discos. The Kona Bush. The Kona Bush. And the final one this week comes from Damien of Long Island. And the title is Rain Sounds Listener 4000 Hours.

Whoa. That's a lot of hours. Holy crap. I saw it. Do you know Shane Gillies, comedian, I saw a clip of him talking about how a friend stayed over and he listened to rain sounds at night. The friend does or Shane does? Shane does. Okay. And the friend was sleeping on the couch and was- and the next day was like, you listen to applause going to sleep?

That's- he's like, that's psycho, man. That's so good. That's really funny. And he's like, no, it's relaxing rain sounds. That's so good. Woo! Again! Six more hours!

And apparently he's like, I can't listen to it anymore because I can hear the applause. That's so funny. So funny. Hopefully I haven't ruined that for you as well, Damien. Damien has a quote writing, I've had two dreams featuring the pod. One is a full blown dystopian nightmare where Matt apparently runs the world through podcasts. Wow.

I don't think that would be dystopian. It would be a nightmare though. I think you've misspelled utopian there, mate. The other one was barely a dream and more of a quote. I was waking up from a nap and I was pretty groggy, but I heard a voice. It was clearly Jess and she said, quote, Hey, get married by a clutch at first spin, would you? That is something I've said. I've said.

I've thought about getting that tattooed because I believe it's so much. Get married by college for the spin. Yeah. Would you? Is that anything? Damien asks, is that anything? I don't think it is. No, I don't think that's a thing. But I think that makes any sense.

Anyway, if you want to hear about Matt's dystopia, let me know. Bye. I'd love to hear about it. dystopia, let me know. Bye. I'd love to hear about it. If you could fill us in on your next FQ or Q, that'd be fantastic. Thank you so much to Damien, David and Connor. The next thing we like to do is shout out to a few of our great Patreon supporters. Oh my God, I've been working on my Trump through the week. Do you think it's any better?

Oh no. Let's see. Well, firstly, what, uh, what, uh, Jess, you normally come up with the game. Yeah, it's hard cause I wasn't here for this one. Yes. She just, I mean, you've, you've got a bit of an idea that she does a bit of everything. So maybe like, and so, so broad in scope. We're going to give them two jobs each. Okay. This is just like, this is just the top two.

All right, what about if I'll do place and names, you each do a job. Okay. Okay. All right, and I'll do it in my best Trump. Or not. Yeah, we had that enough of that last week. You could just do your normal voice.

From Grafton in Australia. Okay. Thank you so much to Matt Shields. OK, so it's just the one and done for the Trump voice. Great. How about a different accent for each one? Different impression. Sorry. OK, I'll do all the Trumps. Great. So Matt, Matt Shields from Grafton, from Grafton, New South Wales. OK, perfect. He's a great guy.

Yep. And he's a fantastic guy. And his jobs are plumber and emu wrangler. They're very hard to wrangle. That's good. A beautiful big bird. A great bird. I saw a picture of an emu on Facebook. Can I come clean with you guys? Trying to book a plumber. Do you mind if I come clean? I'd prefer you didn't. Well, I just want to listen to her. Oh, he's going to anyway, but he asked permission and I said no. Dave looked at me like he was open to it.

Okay. Here we go. So this isn't for Jess, this is just for Dave. I'm not listening. I'm not listening. I haven't actually worked on this impersonation at all. It's just naturally gotten better over the last week. That's shocking.

Next. Next. Next up from address unknown. From address unknown. What does that mean? I can only assume probably from deep within the fortress of the moles. Thank you so much to Maze Bro. Is that a new impression? Yeah, this is Trump's son. Really, Baron?

Baron. I've never heard him speak. OK, didn't know he suddenly thought that. He sounds exactly like this. Maze Bro is an underwater, like one of those deep diving scuba divers that fix oil rigs and also. A t-shirt designer. Oh my gosh. T-shirt designer is like, I went to the bottom of this rig and this is, and they only brought me this t-shirt.

Oh my God. Oh my God. This is a crappy t-shirt. Oh my God. Thank you so much to Mays. Maysy. Next up from Melbourne here in Australia, it's Joshua Williams. Who is that? One of his other sons. How many sons does he have? Couple. Yeah, great. Don Jr.

Yeah, that was Don Jr. Okay. Joshua Williams. Jess, first job. Joshua Williams is a bank robber. Bank robber slash hairdresser. Yeah. So always looks good, changes hair every year. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Different colour hair. Beautiful disguise. Hair is very important. It's very important to get a nice cut and colour. Yeah, no, if you've got one, this last time. Have you ever dyed your hair, Matt? Yeah, I bleached it when I was a teen. And I didn't understand it.

They put on a cap and did the tip thing. Oh, that way. Yeah, yeah. It was so painful. Very uncomfortable. Oh, they don't do that now. And then it just looked like my whole hair was bleached anyway. I don't know. It was to protect your scalp, I guess. Sounds like it was stinging your scalp. What, they put a pin through the holes or some sort of metal thing and pull out

chunks of hair so that all your hair comes out through this. That's how they did like the blonde tips back in the day. Right. Because I had, I, yeah, when I was in grade six, got a few blonde tips, but I think it was just the fringe for some reason. Yeah, sick. Well, it was the fashion of the time. And then it grew out and did not look good. No. Yeah. Is it silver in the same spot? Because you got the silver shock at the front.

Yeah, maybe it's really damaged my hair. Well, no, I don't think it damaged it. I thought maybe it- Improved it. Improved it. Yeah, actually it was- You've done a permanent sort of- Similar to, yeah, it was just the fringy bit here.

But then I also, in year eight, went fully black and that made me look very pale. On the hair. Yes, on the hair. Yeah. You've got to qualify that. And I looked very look very pale. On the hair. Yes, on the hair. Yeah. You've got to qualify that. And it looked very, very pale. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. You would do it. It would really wash you out. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It didn't look good. You're a summer.

Yeah. You can't do- you can't wear black. You were- and it was the floppy fringe or it was full emo, Dave? Oh, full emo, Dave. Yeah. You were welcoming yourself to the Black Parade. Yeah. Funnily enough, the Black Parade. Yeah. Funnily enough, I never got into my chemical romance, but I always thought they were posing.

Anyone else to welcome him? But looking back, I'm like, there's some great songs. You're missing out. And also, what were you doing if they were posing? Oh, of course. I'm coming clean. I was a wanker. I'm coming clean.

What do we-? Of course. I'm coming clean. I was a wanker. I'm coming clean. What do we... Next up from Parkville, again here in Melbourne, Victoria, it's David Devinish. Oh, what a name. Devinish. I love that. David Devinish. David Devinish is a

part-time knitter. And also works security at Kmart. Oh, what? And they probably at Kmart. Oh, boy. And they probably, they sell knitting gear, probably. Yeah, definitely. Why do you think they need security? Yeah. You can get the staff discount.

I think that's what the K and Anko stands for, actually. Next up, thanks so much, David. Next up from, oh, address unknown, can I have your name from Dead Within the Fortress of the Mind? Wow. Just let me say wow before I say this name. No shame from dead within the fortress of the mind. Wow. Just let me say wow before I say this name. Yeah. Please welcome and thank you.

Taz Witcamp. Wow. Taz Witcamp. Taz Witcamp. OK, is a WWE wrestler. And Greyhound Breeder. Whoa. My friend Taz had a Greyhound. And I think there was a WWE wrestler called Taz. How do you guys get your ideas?

From Buddha in Texas in the United States, it's Katie Phillips McCloud. Great name. Katie Phillips McCloud. It's Katie Phillips Mc... Nah. It's why... Last week you made it look so easy. Yeah, I do that with a lot of things.

That I thought if I just didn't think about it for a week and came back. Yeah. Just from seeing you do it last week, I thought that would be enough. Yeah, but you're not me. No. And you never will be. I wanted to soak it in. I should have just like played that clip on repeat of you saying- not even

listening to him talk. Yeah. Donald Trump that is. Uh, Katie- what was that, the Joker? Katie Phillips McCloud. It's heading towards Gollum anyway. Yeah, go on. Is, of course, you say something?

Katie Phillips McCloud, very famously is an ice cream artisan. Oh, and also works in the McDonald's drive through. Yeah. So if you're getting a sundae, you're getting a sundae. It's going to be a good one. Give me my precious. That's my precious. Give me my precious.

That's my precious. He's definitely seen those movies. Recently. And they've suckered his brain very well. Give me my precious. And my well. Give me thy precious. And my axe. Give me my axe. That's my new character, Donald Giblets.

Donald Giblets. Wow. Wow. All right. We've got three beautiful people to thank you. From Preston. Wow. Wow. All right. We've got three beautiful people to thank you. From Preston, again here. Big week for Melbourne patrons.

Preston in Victoria, Australia. Please thank Catherine Middleton. Like Kate Middleton. Oh my God. Who married Prince William? Yeah. I'll do a Prince William. Thank you, Catherine Middleton.

You're a beautiful wife, a beautiful mother of my children. It's so good to be married to you. Do you think he would think of her as precious? I think you're precious. I think you're wonderful. I think you're fantastic. That's my precious. She's my precious.

That's my precious. Give me my precious. That's my precious. Give me my precious. Give me my precious. I feel so bad for this, Catherine Middleton, because I assume that you're old enough to have probably gone the first at least decade of your life and no one ever commented on your name and now it's changed forever. Yeah. And now people are pointing you in the street saying, that's my precious.

Catherine Middleton is of course, a... Olive grower. Slash. Oh, that's a real loving olive. Um, a video game tester. Oh, my- She's living my dream life. My uncle and auntie live in Preston and over the weekend, they harvested all their olives.

Whoa. And took them to a community garden where they all got crushed and made into olive oil. Oh my goodness. And they're looking to keep the oil? This is just the thought process. Yeah. I saw Preston. Show your workings out.

Oh, right. I thought Catherine Middleton and I thought Wario. But her real- We're all different. Okay, the princess is Kate. So I don't think Catherine would probably get away with it. Or is Kate Middleton short for Catherine? But now she's Catherine.

Oh, she's changed to Catherine. No, it's just like what she's called now that she's like about to be queen. That's her Regnal name. Yeah. Is that right, Dave? Regnal? Yeah, they all call her Catherine. It's her pre-Regnal. Pre-Regnal.

I thought maybe that's why Catherine, yeah. But Middleton doesn't get used anymore. Ah. Because that's her maiden name. Right. Back when she was a maiden. That's right. Next up from Auckland in New Zealand, it's Hey Danky.

Hey Danka. Hey Danka. Hey Danka is a Christmas tree farmer and also- A Hobbit reenactor. Whoa. New Zealand. They do one as a hobby and the other one, they're a Hobbit. A hobby and a hobbit.

That was the worst high five I've ever done in my entire life. I think Hey Danker as it's written might be Hayden Kay as well looking at the email address in case I got that wrong. And finally from Manchester, where I'm going to be in September, come see me at the Froggin Bucket. It's the only show at this point that I know. I really got to ask Giles, who's producing the tour, where I'm going.

But I know that one, because it's already on sale. Will you be doing an official announcement at some stage where you know the dates and where you're going? Hopefully before this episode comes out, to be honest. MattShillcommer.com, maybe I do go on pod.com if I figure out how to get the keys to that website. From Manchester, thank you for your support. Henry Thomas. Henry Thomas is, of course, a train conductor and magician.

Close up only. Yeah. No far away magic. Yes, because he's not wearing any pants. You've got to zoom right in. Yeah. Yeah. He will not wear pants.. You've got to zoom right in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He will not wear pants. Thank you so much to Andri or Henry, Hayden, Catherine, Katie, Taz, David, Joshua, Mays, and Matt.

And that leaves us only with the final thing to do, which is welcome in a couple of people into the Triptych Club. Dave, what is the Triptych Club? This is our hall of fame, our clubhouse for people that have been supporting the show for three consecutive years on the shout out level or above. And you know, we've given them a shout out previously, but now it's time to get down to business and welcome them into this Hall of Fame.

Once you're in, you can never leave, but why would you want to? Because we supply food, drinks, entertainment, and you know, whatever you want, honestly. Name something, Jess. Drugs? Oh, probably. Yeah. Well, there is a doctor surgery and you know, you can convince something, Jess. Drugs? Probably. Yeah. Well, there is a doctor's surgery and, you know, you can convince them to give you. But I'm the doctor.

Jess will give you whatever you ask for. Yeah. If you, yeah, Dave was about to say, if you convince her. Doesn't take much. Doesn't take a lot. Doesn't take much. I want you to have a good time. She does a lot of winking. And you need this wink. Yeah. And this is medicinal wink. Yeah. Are you showing some non-physical symptoms that aren't going, you know, that I can't check? I couldn't possibly check.

I just have to take your word for it. Wink. Wink. Yes. Yeah. Would come the answer. I've got a great medical brain though. So it's not like, you know, I'm not going to endanger you.

No, you wrote a book. I wrote a book. After last week's episode, you're inspired. Yeah. I've read a book and now I'm pretty confident I could save a life. Yeah. Well done. Well done, Dave says. I haven't done anything yet, but he's like, I'm so proud of you.

Oh, is it because I read a book? Yes. Thank you so much. Thank you. And Jess, you're behind the bar. Yep. Normally do a drink. What drink, cocktail have you made?

Well, this is a French lady. Oh, it sure is. French martini. Oh my gosh. I love a French martini. And is it just a Martini or what? What's the... No, no, no. A French martini is it's usually like a blackberry chambord. So like it's like a liqueur is usually, I think, vodka in it.

It's vodka based. That sounds delicious. They are delicious. I've enjoyed many a French martini in my time. Camel du Gast sounds like it's ready to go for it. Do one of your poor manteau jokes, Dave, that you always do with a Camel du Gast and a cocktail. The what? The Camel du Gastly?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a, it's a, it's a scary cocktail. It has like a ghost on it. Oh, Camel de Gastly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a, it's a, it's a scary cocktail. It has like a ghost on it. Oh, Camel de Ghost. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. And Dave, you've booked a band, haven't you?

You're never going to believe it. What? I keep expecting you to have a week off. Like, we don't have to always have a band, but you always- He just keeps booking them, yeah. Yeah, and sometimes it comes down to the wire, like, I'm walking in here and I'm getting texts from their booking manager saying they're in. And I go, yes!

Awesome. And then Matt started speaking, couldn't believe it. He started speaking French. I thought, well, I've booked a French person. So good. And then he said the name Camille, and I was like, oh my gosh, because I've got the French singer known only as Camille. Oh my gosh. She's here. What are some of the songs we can expect from Camille at the

after party? Le Festin, Que Je T'Aime, Turn Around Reprise. Turn Around Reprise. Yeah, I love the reprise. Sui moi, el mal, equation, seeds. Lots of good stuff to look forward to. Yeah, we'll be forward to it. Reprise, turn around. So we've got two inductees this week. Mm-hmm. Uh, je t'aime. Uh, oui.

What does je t'aime mean, Dave? Je t'aime? Je t'aime. Oh, je t'aime? Well, je t'aime, is it? There's a sonnet. I love you. Uh,'Tam. J'Tam. J'Tam is it? I love you. J'Tam.

I love you. Yeah, but what does it mean Dave? Dave. I have no idea. I thought of a thorough compliment. You shut up. That has never once worked. Dave.

J'Tam. Am I close? No. You're getting further away. You're saying dem. J'Tam. J'Tam. Just read the names.

Yes, I did. Sh-dem. Am I close? No. You're getting further away. You're saying dem. Sh-tem? Sh-tem? Just read the names. Yes, I'll read the names. Yeah. So we have two inductees this week. I'll read them out. I'm on the doorknob, the clipboard. I'm going to lift up that velvet robe. Two names. You jog on in if you hear your names. There's 800 odd people already in there. They're going to be cheering along. Dave's hyping them up on the stage. He's got the mic in hand. Jess has got her hand on Dave's rear end just for support. Consensually. Consensual support. What's a bit of bum touching between friends? I've always said that. I think if- She really talks me into it.

She kept saying it. And she's your boss. So I don't know if it's appropriate. What do you mean? We're friends and kept saying it. And she's your boss. So I don't know if it's appropriate. What do you mean? We're friends. And that's it. Nothing weird. Just a couple of friends, one of whom has their hand on the other's tush. That's it. Yeah. But he likes it.

Yeah, I don't know. I feel like I'm a student of body language and Dave doesn't look like he likes me. He can say no thank you at any time. The quicker we get through this, the faster she gets a hand off, so please. First up, please welcome into the club, make some noise from Carlisle in Great Britain, it's Kieran McFadden. Not the pronunciation I thought you were going to go with there. Well, you go with your pronunciation.

Kieran McFadden. Not the pronunciation I thought you were going to go with there. Well you go with your pronunciation. Kieran McFadden, more like Kieran McFadden's queen. Woo! You're a queen! You're royalty, baby. Yes, queen. Yes, queen. I'm sure Carlisle, is Carlisle in Scotland? Feels like it.

I'm sure there's some chance that they would love to be associated with the royal family. Thankfully, it's in Cumbria in England. Who love it? They love it, Dan. They love it. They love it. They all love it. They all love it.

And from Boxborough in Marr, which might, I don't know why we can never remember these ones. Is it Massachusetts? Marr. In the United States anyway, in Boxborough, Boxborough, Mar. Please welcome, make some noise for Sarah Tardiff. Sarah, I really care for you. Oh, that's really good.

That's good stuff. That's really good. No notes. Well done, Sarah. Thank you. Make yourself at home. Grab yourself one of those drinks. They sound fantastic. Same to you, Kieran. Help yourself. Please. Make yourself at home. Grab yourself one of those drinks. They sound fantastic.

Same to you, Kieran. Help yourself. Please. Make yourself at home. You live here now. So live it up. Jess, anything we need to tell people before we go? They can suggest a topic and we encourage them to do so. There's a link in the show notes, which will take you to diggoompod.com.

That's our website where you can find stuff about Matt's shows coming up as he figures out how to put it on that website. Yeah. Come on. I think I'm doing like six dates, something like that in the UK. Awesome. Um, and you can also, uh, find us on social media, do go on pod, um, on most

socials, do go on podcasts on TikTok. Oh yeah. Please follow us. We'd love you to follow us and you know, even like our posts. That'd be great. You could comment on them. It's such an annoying thing in some way. I think you get something out of it because you're following along and it's a bit of fun but also does help us with opportunities, booking live shows and stuff. We live in that weird world there where venues will look at your

following count to see whether or not they'll have you on or whatever. And same with international producers and whatnot. And can we also just take a moment to say congratulations, Matt Stewart, on 10,000 followers. He did it. Thank you so much. He did it. Can I just say for now? Yeah, well, honestly, because I hit that mark and then I saw this thing I hadn't seen before and it said deactivated accounts that follow you. And there was like 150 accounts.

So I deleted all them and went under again. I don't know if I'm actually bad. Why did you do that? Well, they were deactivated accounts. Who cares? Oh, I don't know. Like it's all just a number, isn't it? It's all just a number, baby.

Yeah, I don't know. I just, it said you should delete these if you want. I said, oh, okay. You should delete these if you want. And you said, yeah, I don't know. It just said, you should delete these if you want. I said, okay. You should delete these if you want. And you said, yeah, I don't want 150 followers. Well, they're dead accounts. They're not real. Who gives a shit? It looks good to have them. I mean, none of it's real.

It's sort of like accounts who just have entirely bot followers, but they've still got 20,000 bot followers. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. It's just funny timing to do that right when you've been campaigning to get to 10. So you've gone back under, is that what you're saying? Yeah, I believe so. Fuck. You just, you just sabotage yourself.

No, no, I'm back. Just believe in yourself. I'm back, baby. Okay. What a rollercoaster that was. How about that? Dave Booth at home. Well done. Congratulations, Matt. Thanks so much.

That was a big moment for you. We, uh, we'll be back next week with episode 500. Can you believe it? And we've That was a big moment for you. We will be back next week with episode 500 Can you believe it and we've got some special stuff planned for you so much fun? Can't wait for everyone to hear that maybe we we don't know what it's gonna be but it's gonna be great Yeah, it's gonna be so much fun. We'll be back then. Thank you so much for listening to the last 499 weeks I hope you'll join us for 500 but until then thank you so much for listening and goodbye! Later! Bye! Don't forget to sign up to our tour mailing list so we know where in the world you are

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