Do Go On - 503 - The Jinx Murderer

Episode Date: June 11, 2025

On the 31st of January, 1982 29-year-old Kathleen McCormack attended a party at her friend’s house in Connecticut. After she left the party that night, she was never seen again.This is a comedy/history podcast, the report begins at approximately 10:17 (though as always, we go off on tangents throughout the report).For all our important links: https://linktr.ee/dogoonpod Check out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Who Knew It with Matt Stewart: https://play.acast.com/s/who-knew-it-with-matt-stewart/Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasDo Go On acknowledges the traditional owners of the land we record on, the Wurundjeri people, in the Kulin nation. We pay our respects to elders, past and present. REFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:https://allthatsinteresting.com/kathleen-mccormackhttps://www.vulture.com/2015/03/robert-durst-timeline-life-and-crimes.htmlhttps://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/10/obituaries/robert-durst-dead.htmlhttps://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/05/nyregion/35-years-later-sister-in-durst-case-is-still-looking-for-answers.html https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/01/nyregion/robert-dursts-wife-steps-back-after-years-of-defending-him.htmlhttps://www.vulture.com/2015/03/debrah-lee-charatan-robert-durst-wife.htmlhttps://www.vulture.com/article/susan-berman-the-jinx.htmlhttps://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/2015/03/robert-durst-murders-wife-susie-bermanhttps://people.com/celebrity/hbo-the-jinx-robert-durst-robert-durst-arrested-for-murder/ https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/24/arts/television/robert-durst-the-jinx.html Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Melbourne and Canada, we got exciting news for you. And we should also say this is 2026. Jess, what year is it? 2026. Thank God you're here. Right now, I'm in Melbourne doing my show with Serenji Amana, 630 each night at the Cooper's Inn Hotel, having so much fun. We'd love to see you there.

Canada, we are visiting you in September this year. If you've somehow missed the news, we are heading up Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal and Toronto for shows. That's going to be so much fun. Tickets for all this stuff, I believe, are online. And I'm here too. And welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Warnocky and, as always, I'm here here with Matt Stewart and Jess Perkins.

I'm a here. I think that's pretty good. I'm here. I like it. I think I also like it. I don't, have we ever restarted an episode because Dave stuffed it up? I don't think we ever have. My God, 500 times.

There it is. There it is. I think we just prove that. We just don't. We just don't. He has an astronomical fuck up. Yes. just keep plowing on.

Dave doesn't have... I'm thinking about that for hours. Yeah. He taped him over. Yeah. He doesn't look back. Doesn't look back. It's so bad for parking.

It's really... He kind of vibes it. Yeah, I do it my feel. Yeah. How am I doing back there? Pshh! Yeah. You feel the other cars, aren't you?

Yeah. Some do touch parking. You do more like nudge parking. Yeah, no, there's the reason I've got a big tow bar. Little nudge. But yeah. You've created damage wherever you parked. Yeah.

Yeah. I make room. Small man, big tover. I am compensating. But hi Dave. What a treat to be here on this podcast. So great to be here. So good to be back.

I think I missed maybe the last couple of weeks, depending on when they come out. Because it was away. But now I'm back. What did you say to the listeners, do you tell them the truth? Or did you make up a polite excuse for me? I'll be completely honest with you.

I have forgotten. But I'm also fairly confident it was a bit of column A, a bit of column. Yeah, yeah. You know, I think we... Or you just didn't even mention it. No, we mentioned it. We thought people wouldn't notice. I think we alluded to the fact that you were dead or missing, you know, the classic gag.

And then I think at one point I did say, he's on road show. Okay. He's doing some shows. He's away. Because I got bored of my own joke, you know? Yeah. Well, a bit much to claim that is your own joke. I think that started when you were away.

Okay. I got bored of the joke. I was doing at the time. Jesus, fucking, I missed this tedium. Welcome back. How are the shows? Who cares?

That were really great, really great, apart from one, but I won't mention that place. Blacklisted in your heart. It was pretty funny. There was some people who heckled, and I think it was because of Tourette's. So, you know, no shade at all.

But some really funny moments. At one point, A woman said, I think there was a group of people with Tourette's, and I think a woman said at one point, something like, you've got red hair. And I was like, yes, yes, I do. You're not wrong. Yes, I do. You are not wrong. And you got me.

You got me a beauty. No context. Half I do with your story, but nothing to do with your hair. Yeah. Love it. And it was really fun. I mean, I kind of enjoyed myself all the same. It was also just like a smaller crowd, but you know, whatever.

That was also the first one. And every other one was great. It's the way to do it if you're going to do it anyway. Oh, yeah. Start with a rougher show. The common way to do it is to finish with that one. Yeah. That's how I tend to do it.

Yeah. And it's always leaving it with a bad taste. But this time around, the taste is still delicious. Jess, what are we doing here? Episode 503. What is this all about? Well, we're having fun. That's what we're having.

We're having obvious friendship. That's what we're having. But if you're asking me how this show works for new listeners who have decided to start at episode, what, 503, welcome. You absolute wild dogs, can I just say? You are wild. Just picking 503 and going from there. I remember at one of Matt's classic gigs recently, and they're like, I want to check out this guy's podcast.

He's got red hair. He's got red hair. I love to listen to redheads. One of the three of us, research is a topic, often suggested to us by our fantastic listeners. And then they tell the other two about it, who listen very politely, definitely remember these things for years to come and who never interrupt with dog shit riffs. And we always get on to the topic with a question.

That's right. I do have a question. Okay. Are you ready? I want you both, there's no taking in turns. I want you to both give it to me as you have it. You want me to give it to you as I have it? I don't got it.

I have it, but I don't think you actually want me to give it to you. I don't think you can handle it. I don't think you can. I think you might have a hard time. it to me, you too. I do have a heart condition. If you hit me, it's murder. Question is, when you and another person unintentionally say the same thing simultaneously,

it's a playful tradition to shout what word. Jinks! On my head, I'm like, what a fun moment this will be? And I wasn't quick enough to answer my own question in sync. Or was it that I was too rude in interrupting and not letting you finish your question? No, I think too quick. Yeah, well done. Jess, so that's a point for Jess.

I held back because I knew what he was doing. I knew that he was set. Shut up. No, you didn't. Oh, now I'm the idiot. Okay. Yeah, that's how we get you. I know.

He's like, well, I obviously saw the bit he was trying to do and for the comedy I was actually hanging back. But obviously, I knew the answer. Basically the second he started talking. That's actually how it went down. Yeah. I'm going to not have fun on this show. Man, just are here to have fun, Dave. Well, I'm here to win.

Well, but you didn't do that either. Well, I'm here for Look and Smug. I'm so confused by this guy. It's an audio medium. Oh, I'm not doing it for anyone else. Oh, well, you are looking smug. I'll give you that. So, yes, this week we're talking about a guy,

nicknamed the Jinks, Robert Durst. Oh, I think he's going to say. We're talking about a guy. guy who had been jinxed for 30 years or something to say it. Please. Please say my own three times or whatever it is. The jinx. That's rumples still.

Okay. What are the rules of jinks to go? Yeah, you've got to say it. I think you just say it once, though. Do you have to say it three times? Oh, yeah, maybe I'll never say it once. Or you're thinking of Bloody Mary. Oh, yeah.

Or the candy mare. Beetle juice. Okay, there's a few. There's a few. There's a few. But speaking of really terrifying people, the jinx, this is one of the, like, a big docker that I've I haven't seen. Have you seen it, Jess?

No. Oh, that's great. I'm glad. Yes, HBO's The Jinks. Oh, my gosh. And it's one of those documentaries that it ends up wrapped up in the story. The fact that they made the documentary led to, you know, big breakthroughs in the case. Yes.

So I know that, but I don't know the details of the whole case. Yes. is very interesting. And this has been suggested by a few listeners, including Bailey Blacklock from Portsmouth in the UK, Scott Clark from Cumbria in England, Joseph from the US, not any, can't be any more specific than that. Jack Vernon from Mesa, or Mesa, Arizona in the US, and Jordan Dajong from Johnson City. There's some incredible names all through that.

Jordan Dajong from Johnson Cies. Who was first? Bailey Blacklock? Blacklock? That is awesome. Is that CK or C-H? C-K. Fuck, yeah.

Black-lock. That's great. Bailey's leaving us in no doubt that is Blacklock. Black-lock. Not Black-Loch. Exactly, yeah, yeah. It's not a lake. No.

And yeah, Jordan De Jong said that he's, or they are about 90 minutes from Dollywood. Wow. Did you get a Johnson City? That's one of the best city names that have it. I did not. I love that so much. That's so good. I mean, I'll see you got married you didn't go to Johnson City?

No, we're waiting. I'm re-watching Parks and Rec because I'm basically always watching Parks and Rec. And there's a... You're like painting the City Harbor Bridge. Yeah, once I finish, I've got to start again. And there's a couple in it that are like conservative rights activists. So, like, they always... And they're arguing for abstinence only to be taught.

and we've met the wife several times and then she introduced her husband who is a very flamboyantly gay man and he says at one point he's talking about he's like, we waited until marriage and then some and I've been saying that a lot this week I'm waiting until marriage and then some yeah just to be safe

just to be safe you never know just in case the paperwork hasn't got through to the big fella yet Oh my gosh sure it's certainly a pack log It's a pack log I don't know how to It's like when I played marriage courts work in Vegas. Played Centurion, I made sure I had a 101st shot. Yes. Just to make sure, in case it was a clerical error.

Exactly. Yeah, very similar. All right, here is the story. I was up late last night. Were you? Or were you up early this morning? I was up early this morning. And were you doing the Centurian last night?

Yes. Okay. That explains a lot. Every fact I wrote down, I had a shot. Oh, boy. Oh, my God, there's so many fakes. But yeah, so I haven't done a read through this. I'm confident it is.

Anyway, we'll find out together. And, like, you know, I don't know why you would need to mention that to us, two people who would never ever pick up on small things you say incorrectly. Yeah, that's true. We're very polite and we respect you. Plus, AJ will look after us in the edit. Always does. Always does.

We assume. We know listen back. All right, here's the story. Maybe some warnings about some. domestic violence and, you know, other such things. I don't know, like we never go into too much detail, but it is a part of it. So on the 31st of January, 1982, 29-year-old Kathleen McCormack attended a party at her friend's house in Connecticut, and after the party that night, she left early and was never

seen again. For all that's interesting, Neil Patmore writes, Kathleen, Kathy McCormack, was born on the 15th of June, 1952, and grew up near New York City. She attended New Hyde Park Memorial High School and worked numerous part-time jobs, both on Long Island and in Manhattan. Man, that's the longest school name I've ever heard, I reckon, New Hyde Park Memorial High School. Too long. Yeah, put that on your jacket. Yeah, what the letter be? Is that what the Letterman jacket is?

In American culture? Hmm. Is it just the first letter of the school? Or is it just a letter? I think it's what letter you got on your latest exam. Yeah, you got to keep changing that patch. Hey, hey, give that to me. You only got a C.

Give me that B. Oh, right. So, yeah, some people are going around with an F letter jacket and they just didn't do so good. Yeah. And they're really uncool. It's a shaming thing. Right. But you have to wear, put your jacket on.

Yeah. Young man. Yeah. I got my Letterman's jacket. Oh, what'd you get? V plus. That's all right. Pretty good.

That's pretty good, I guess. Nothing sneezed. So McCormack did go on to marry Robert Durs. They met when she was quite young. I think she was maybe 18 and he's nine or so years older than her. But he was the son of a wealthy real estate magnate. And his dad was the son of a wealthy real estate. You know, it was a bit of an empire, a big deal.

It's like properly wealthy people. Yeah, the Manhattan, Scholar. line was a lot of those big buildings were Dirst family building. Right. Okay. So yeah, and then just over 10 years after they met and eight years after they were married, that's when Kathy disappeared. Five days after she was last seen on the 5th of February 1982, Durst finally reported

her missing, which seems like a long, that's a pretty long wait. he said she's off to study they were living outside of they're living in Connecticut or whatever and she was studying New York sometimes she'd go away studying and they wouldn't chat for a bit wasn't that uncommon this is pre-smart phones you're not texting all the time you know we're so clingy these days oh I got to check in with my partner every day so they know I'm alive yeah but back in the day you know Your partner would just go out to the forest for three or four weeks. Yeah, nothing weird about it.

Yeah. You wouldn't hear from them. I know. Plus, you write them a letter. It takes a few days to get there. Yeah. You go five days. Well, now I'm starting to think there should have been a letter back by now.

Yeah, did she not immediately write back to me? Maybe she was busy. She thought, I'll sleep on it. I'll write back to him tomorrow. I'll give it till tomorrow. Yeah. Yeah. That's true.

For Vulture, Nate Jones writes that Durst told police that Kathy returned to the couple's South Salem cottage the night of the three. 31st. Then after a fight, she wanted to go back to New York City where they had an apartment. Dirst told police he dropped her off at the Metro North Station at Katona, then called her from a pay phone to talk when she arrived at her Manhattan apartment. His story appears to be backed up by testimony from a dormant who says he saw Kathy enter the apartment building, as well as from an associate dean of her medical school who said Kathy called in sick the next day. When asked why he didn't report his wife missing sooner,

Dirst said that because of her med school duties, it was not unusual for him to go two or three days without seeing her. So it's like, it's pretty normal. But Kathy's family was very suss on Durst. Right. They didn't mind him at first, but pretty soon they're like, this guy's, he's not right.

So who is Robert Durst? Well, according to Robert D. McFadden, writing for the New York Times, Robert Alan Durs was born on the 12th of April, 1943 in Manhattan. It was the oldest of four children of Seymour and Bernice. His father was the Patriarchist's face. I was trying not to interrupt you,

but Bernice gave me a visceral reaction. Oh, either for Seymour. You like Seymour? No. Okay, I don't like Bernice. What about Bernice? Oh, yeah, that's fine. Yeah.

Bernie. Bernie. Let's call her Bernie. Seymour and Bernie. I like it. Mori and Bernie. Mori. Yeah, because I don't like Seymour much.

Fair enough. Seymour. Yeah. Can I only say it like that. It was definitely worth interrupting you and I'm sorry I had a visceral reaction to Bernice. It's fair to commentate the page because it really caught me up God as well. You just sucked a lemon. I actually love lemon, so it has to be something else.

Okay, you just sucked a lime. Because me sucking a lemon would be like, mm. You know what I mean? Yeah. So, yeah, Seymour, it was the page. shark of this building empire, which was founded in 1927 by Robert's grandfather, Joseph Dirst, who was an Austrian immigrant. That's so close to Joe Dirt.

It's so close to Joe Dirt. Meet Joe Dirt. A fantastic film. And the film wasn't Meet Joe Dirt, was it? That was Meet Joe Black. Yes. We've now merged three different things. That's what we do best.

We misremember things. and smush them together. This is how Charles V. Bagley, also running for the New York Times, put it about the Dirst family, said that they presided over a Manhattan real estate company whose towers formed the skyline. That's nice. That's big. Yeah. Back to McFadden.

Robin and his siblings, Douglas Thomas and Wendy grew up in the Westchester suburb of Scarsdale, but their comfortable childhood was punctured in 1950 by the death of their mother who fell or jumped from the roof of their home. Their family was devastated, and seven-year-old Robert, who may have witnessed her plunge, was shattered, obviously. He says he did see it, and others say he didn't see it. Like others in his family said he wouldn't have seen it. He's like, I saw it. Dad brought me over to the window, and then I saw it. That's how he tells it.

Dad brought me over to the window. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, probably not for that. No, just a bad. He was like, look at the view and then, oh my God. Yeah. Our memories aren't very reliable.

No, isn't it amazing? Yeah. I used to be so sure and it'd be like, no, this is how it happened. You're wrong. And now I'm like, well, we will never know. Yeah, yeah. Which isn't ideal. No, it would be good if memories were like, yeah, pretty locked in.

Yes. But actually, we can kind of trick ourselves a lot too. Yeah, memories of memories. Like, I've done it where I've inserted myself into memories or insert, more likely inserting people who weren't there into memories, like merging a few different things and going, wait, you weren't there? I don't picture you there. Sometimes, yeah, there'll be a photo I've seen frequently,

and then I'll remember things. And I'm like, do I actually remember that? Or am I thinking of a photo? Yeah, yeah. Weird. If you ever do that thing where you've exaggerated a story for stand-up, combined two events just for storytelling. and now I can't remember what really happened.

Yeah, I've said the story so many times that way. Yeah. But I've combined two events. I've cut something out in the middle and I'm like, what happened in the middle? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. And it turns out that that's quite an important part. Officer.

Of course, I'm usually a truth teller on stage. Yeah. Truth of power. That kind of stuff. Yeah, truth's of power. Putting up a mirror to society. Punching up. Yeah.

Punching up at the mirror to society. Yeah. Back to McFadden. So him and his, His younger brother, Douglas, didn't get on. They had fist fights. Douglas Durst. Douglas Durst.

Dougie Durst. Okay, Dougie's better. That sounds like a good name for their dog. Yeah. Duggy Duggy Durst the Dirst. Dougie Ders the dog. There it is. But they'd have punch-ons.

Yeah. Siblings. And Robert was sent for psychiatric counselling. And, yeah, they thought, I mean, this is all in hindsight of after. how his life went, but they'll talk to, that's, you know, some of those doctors. And I say, yeah, there were signs of troubles. Mr. Durst, that's Robert or Bobby, as his friends seem to call him, graduated from La Hai University, or Lehi.

Or Lae, it could be Lae University. But I'd like to think it's French, Lehigh University, if you know what I mean. I just can't imagine how this is spelled from the way he said it. I'm just excited for the posts in the Patreon group explaining it. L-E-H-I-G-H. But one word. Anyway, he graduated in 1965 with a degree in economics, but dropped out of postgraduate studies at UCLA,

where he met Susan Berman, an aspiring writer, and the daughter of a reputed Las Vegas mobster. Oh. We'll hear more about her and her dad a bit later. McFadden continues, as a young man, Mr. Durst's conduct often seemed merely impulsive and eccentric. After two dates, for instance, he invited Kathleen McCormack to move with him to Vermont. I think I said Connecticut before. Vermont, where he had opened a health food store named All Good Things.

So they end up getting married. All Good Things. Yeah. Must come to. Is it still going? I don't think so, as the adage projected. But, yeah, so two dates, they moved together into state. When you know, you know.

Dave and his wife still haven't even been on two dates. Yeah, they just, they met married. That's it. Boom, locked in. When you know, you know. We're open to health food shop. It's going great. For now.

Sorry, that's the name of the shop. It's going to go. For now. Well, for now. And then it closed down four years ago. Okay. So a year later, after they'd moved and they're working on this health food store, kind of live in a bit of a hippie lifestyle, driving a Volkswagen.

What? You know what I mean? What? Yeah. Hippie-dippy. Come on. Alternative. This guy's, he's from multi-multi billionaires.

Or millionaires. VW. What's that stand for? Very weird. Yeah. Stay very weird. But yeah, I think his dad was like, all right, time to come back. You've had your fun.

I'm embarrassed. You're driving a VW. Yeah. You're having to a health food shop? Oh, it's a shame on the family name. Come on. So he gets him to come back to New York, joins the family business, and Dersa and McCormack were married in 1973, and they were living, you know, that lifestyle in the big city,

partying at Studio 54, the Celebrity Disco on Manhattan. And they would sail the Mediterranean also. They went to Thailand. Whoa. Living it up. Whoa. Really? On the surface.

Look at paradise. It sounds like a beautiful life. But sadly, as the 70s continued, the couple's relationship deteriorated, and Dirst became increasingly violent and controlling. he reportedly forced her to give up a pregnancy. And that sounds like that was a big turning point. Like she started trying to find a path out seeking independence. She started studying nursing.

And then after graduating her nursing degree, Bagley Wrights, immediately she started medical school at Albert Einstein College, if you don't mind. Imagine you go like, I've never heard of it, but you... It's got to be good. Yeah. Have that on your diploma. That's a good one.

Yeah. Which, that's in the Bronx. Yeah, I've heard of Albert Einstein. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, he's a pretty big deal. Honestly, it could say Albert Einstein and clown college and I'd be like, wow, that's got to be a good clown college. If you just saw him without knowing who he was and I said, medical school or

clown college. I think you're saying he's probably the... Yeah, the dean. This is a clown college guy. Comes in, we're honking a little, uh-huh. Uh-huh. That's a fancy honk. Uh-huh. No, I remember it because it's tuition free because of a $1 billion gift given to them by Ruth

goddessman. Her late husband, David, left the money to her upon his death. So she donated a billion dollars, so it's now a tuition. school. I think they also have predominantly or definitely a much higher percentage of black students as well. So it's huge. That's, I mean, billionaires. That was only like a couple of years ago. If you're listening billionaires, why not do that? Do that for fuck sake. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Just like build some houses for people maybe. You could do a lot. You can do a lot. A billion dollars. And if you're a multi-billionaire, you can do it even more.

You fuck. Jesus. I know. Anyway, that's why that school was in my head. I was like, oh, I've heard of that one, and I've heard of Albert Einstein. And I have been mean to say that, because I know 50% of our audience are billionaires. Yeah. So it's probably, you know, we've got the platform.

We should really speak to them directly. That's right. So, yes, back to Bagley. So she's studying at Albert Einstein College of Medicine, and her plan is to become a pediatrician. Her classmate, Dr. Alicia Landman Riner. Wow. Excuse me? Fantastic.

Landman Riner. Landman Riner. So obviously, she was a, they were students together, but she went on to become a doctor. Dr. Landman Riner said, she was so excited to be a medical student. She worked hard. She always took a seat in the front row and took notes. And so, you know, she was, if she had a letter on her jacket, it would be A, maybe. For attendance?

A for attendance. I'm here every week. I failed every exam, but I will be back next week. I'm not listening. She was taking notes, but of what? Just sketching the room. Yeah. Oh, there's a squirrel outside.

Oh, sorry. Squirrel. Squirrel. Squirrel. Bagley continues. Bob Roberts, possessiveness was escalating into physical violence, said nursing school classmate, a nursing school classmate of McCormack's. named Eleanor Joy Swank. The names in this episode.

Stop it. Yeah, running Joyce into Swank. Joy Swank. Yeah, it's so good. That's a lot going on. Yeah, this is what Joy Swank said during an interview in 2000. Kathy would call me saying Bobby is really violent. Dirst, are impatient to leave a McCormack family gathering at one point,

yanked his wife's hair in front of her family. Oh, my God. Gosh. So they're like, oh, shit, this is bad. And her sister Mary said on another occasion, he stormed into their east side apartment where McCormack was talking with friends and kicked an acquaintance in the face. What the fuck? The man who was kicked in the face later set out of a lawsuit over the episode with Mr. Durst.

So he got cash out of it. And that was the thing. I think Durst was so rich. His family, so rich and powerful that he could just get out of things. Yeah, and you just don't see that happening anymore. more. No, that's right. Really wealthy people, particularly in a real estate sort of environment, just getting away with

things and abusing power. Certainly not New York City. And I think that... You've never seen that in New York. Yeah. Beautiful city. That's one of the things that I think is, you know, people say, oh, things used to be better. Well, that used to happen and it doesn't anymore.

Exactly right. You know, I'll rest my case. Proof is proof. So, yeah, apparently McCormack would tell her sister Mary, as well as her friends and She told a lot of people, and this is pretty chilling. If anything happens to me, don't let Bob get away with it. She was starting to think. Fuck.

Oh my gosh. That's awful. Yes. And I don't know if it's a bit of a spoiler, but he gets away with it. Anyway, he doesn't get away. There's a lot to come, but yeah, brutally, he basically gets away with it. So that's on her friends. Yes.

She was, sounds like she was pretty clear. They took an oath. Don't let him go over with it. And they did. Some friends. Also, Mary, the sister, Bagley writes, Mary has a vivid recollection of the phone call. She got the week of her sister's disappearance.

She got the call from Robert Durs, from Bobby. And he called up after she was, had been missing. He said, have you seen Kathy? She said, no, I haven't. but I've been meaning to talk to you about her. And he cut her off saying, well, I'm going to the police and hung up.

And Mary, who's now Mary Hughes, remembers that she hung up the phone, turned to her husband, Tom, and said, I think he killed her. Oh my gosh.

Wow. That's horrific. Yeah, it's so grim. Over the following months, not a lot of progress was made in the case. there was no body found so remained a missing person's case

but this didn't stop her friends and family from doing their own investigation like the police were sort of they had their suspicions but they felt like they weren't able to make any progress and Jones writes a lot of what Jones writes is in present tense

so apologies for the people who find tense switching very frustrating but okay I don't like what are you going to miss quote Jones yeah that'd be disrespectful uh Jones writes a group of Kathy's friends investigate the Durst's uh Kathy and Bob's Westchester home and discover Kathy's mail in the trash unopened they go to the police who have formed their own suspicions by this time the doorman now admits he only saw Kathy from behind and from a distance and despite Durst's claim that he spoke to his wife from a payphone the nearest pay

phone is miles from his house. And he's got a phone at home. It would have made no sense. Yeah, why a pay phone? Why a pay phone? Oh, is it because that would be a lot harder to trace the call and prove that the call actually happened? Where are you living miles from a pay phone?

Yeah. You know, it's not like in the hustle and bustle this place. This isn't in New York. There's in Vermont. Home of the whoopies. And the creamies. And the creamies, I should say. Man, I don't know how they go a whoopee.

I haven't had a creamie. but I'm dying to have a whoopee. Wait for marriage and then some. And then some. Then we'll go to Vermont. We'll have our whoopies. It seems like maybe this dormant, maybe he did see someone he thought was Kathy, or maybe he got a bit of cash to say, oh, you maybe saw this person. Also, it's possible that the phone call that the school.

received saying she was calling in sick. Maybe that wasn't actually from Kathy. That was from a woman and I assumed it was Kathy. But yeah, now there's quite a lot of doubt about it. Call me now and do an impression of me calling in sick. Okay. Who am I speaking to? So you're me.

I'm you. Okay. Dave, you'll be the phone. Why are you not answering? Because I feel am I me? Because I'm calling in sick and this is where I work. Okay, but I'm... Oh, okay, sorry, sorry,

I thought you were the reception for Albert Einstein and I'm like, why does Matt work then? No, no, no. I'm calling sick. I'm giving Matt an opportunity. No, this is great. All I was trying to get to, have you seen Mrs. Doubtfire?

It's pretty easy to just do a high-pitched voice and pass off as a woman. I'll be the phone, I'll be the phone. That's where I was trying to go with this whole fucking bit. But you've asked so many questions. Well, I'm not going to do Robin Williams stuff. Okay, you're the phone.

I'm going to try to do an accurate Jess. I mean, if an actor can't ask questions, they're not going to give you the best out. Well, when you're calling yourself an actor and you're playing the role of phone. I've been cast. Go. Okay.

What era phone? I'll just answer the phone. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm just answering. Sorry, the phone's on silent. The phone's on silent. There's another phone. Hello? Hello.

Oh, hi, Jess. What's up? I'm sick. Oh, no. I'm not sure why you haven't just messaged the group chat. But, okay, what do you want me to do about it? I've got my period. Okay.

Beep, beep, beep. Call waiting. Sorry, Jess, just one moment. Okay. Hello. Hello. It's Jess here. I'm just calling in.

Just calling in to tell you I'm feeling very well, and I'll be there in five minutes. Jez, I just had you on the other line saying you were sick. Oh, you just got... Beep, beep. Have you got another call? Just one second, Jess. Okay. I'll be here.

Hello. Hello. I'm actually, yeah, feeling a bit better now. So, yeah, me and Jess will be in soon. Who's this? It's Jess. Beep, beep. Hang on one second, Jess.

I'm going to get to the bottom of this. Yes, hello. Hi, Jess again. I'm sorry, I'm not going to be there after all. I've got diarrhea. Anteniparian. Yes. That's a bad day.

I'm having a bad one. So, yeah, hopefully Mesos free to fill in for me. Anyway. I'm saying. See you. that's how easy it is. Yes. So it could have just been Dirst himself.

That's what I was trying to say. Yes. I think that's admissible in a courtroom? What part of it? Well, just to be like, jury, this is how easy it is. And then you point to the judge and say, all right, judge, you're playing this role. Like, judge, close your eyes. I'm going to take you on an adventure.

So, yeah. We will try and insert lightness in the cracks here. Yeah, that's right. So, Dirst, this absolute fuckhead, starts withdrawing from the press, and he appoints his friend Susan Berman, who we heard about before, Ryder and daughter of Las Vegas gangster. He made her his unofficial spokesperson. So any press asking about...

you know, the case and his wife. Because, you know, to the media, he's, he's looking for his missing wife. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's possibly grieving. Yes. He'd be very scared and worried for sure. And despite Kathy's family's concerns, the case went cold.

In 1988, six years after the disappearance, Dirst started dating in New York City real estate broker named Deborah Lee Sharraton. In 19, in the documentary, they've got a few scenes of, weird stuff with her. She had an all-female firm, but they made them do these tests, like that were smelt and stuff, like making sure their scent was okay,

if I remember it. I haven't watched the series in a while, but it was like a bit odd. So we don't, we only employ women, but not stinky women. Yeah, and I think they were weighed and stuff like that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What are they, my GP? Pretty empowering. I just need a new script on the scales. Hello? It's your doctor, Jess. Just checking in and see what are you weighing today, mate? Oh, I haven't.

We heard you were sick. I haven't weighed myself for a bit. Heard on the grave find he might be a bit sick, so I just thought I'd call and find out. Also heard Art Flo's visiting, so you're probably getting into a bit more chocolate than usual, aren't you? Disgusting little fanny. Okay, all right. All right, you took no words right out of my mind. So it sounds like you're on top of it.

Thanks. All right, just so rude. Now put your husband on. Yeah. I let the adults speak now. Jesus. So in 1990, Dirst, and he did this quietly without telling her family, he divorced Kathy, citing, you know, she was, she was absent or whatever.

And he also sold their cottage before moving to a New York City apartment with Sharpton, the woman he started dating. But this didn't last long. moved out after nine months, but she kept the apartment. In 1994, his father picked Durses younger brother Douglas Dirsts. Dougie Dirsts to take over the family business. Okay. Do you think M.C. Duggy Dirst is good. Actually so good. Yeah, I think it's really good. M.C. Duggy He should do weddings, bimitsfers, etc. He does at all. But their families, unfortunately, their family business is real estate and not DJs. Damn it. Yeah. I think.

I think, can I show you a photo of this guy? He says, he has the look of a cartoon character, maybe like a, um, who's that S&L guy who was like, uh, the other wedding singer and the wedding singer? There he goes, uh, he's losing his mind. Yeah, Johnny Lovitz. Johnny Lovitz. Yeah, he's, I reckon John Lovitz should play him if. Yeah.

Yeah, big time. John Lovitz, so with the glasses on, a little bit of, uh, David Sousay as well. Yeah, yeah. DJ Dougie Durs played by John Lovitz, and in some scenes, when he's wearing glasses, David Soush. Maybe it depends on the tone of the film. True, yeah. It might end up being that thing like Capote,

where there were two Capote movies the same time. Yeah. Different takes. Yes. One was an Academy Award. That's John Lovitz. Yes. Souchay misses out.

Unfortunately. Somebody has to. But Lovitz did a fantastic job. But yeah, so he gets passed over by his younger brother And that he's hurt by this Doesn't take that well Doesn't take it well And he can't

He just basically breaks off contact with his family Wow Over it In 1999, according to Jones After receiving a bogus tip about the location of her body From a serial public masturbator Okay So I didn't expect that.

I think it was like a public hoaxer or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was thinking. This seems unrelated, but they also seem probably unreligable. Often gives these fake tips. No, no, they're just masturbating everywhere. Yeah. He was done for, you know, wanking, wanking outside.

Yeah. And he was like, apparently he was like, yeah, I've got some information for you on another one of your cases. But it turned out to be false, but it still led to the, the case being reopened. And this time now is a possible homicide because the information that this guy was lying about was the location of the body.

Right. So they then searched the Dursault Cottage in South Salem as well as the nearby lake but found nothing. Now, we've talked about Susan Berman a couple of times, the writer and daughter of the mobster. Let's get into her a little bit more now. So her dad, the mobster, was a guy called Davey Berman, a Las Vegas mobster who was Bugsy Siegel's partner,

and he took over the business from Bugsy Segal. Bugsys are a great mobster. There must be a few Bugsys, right? Yeah. You say it's a Bugsy Malone is that one? Yeah, he seems like one of the big ones. One of the big bugsys. I reckon Dave could pull off Bugsy.

Yeah, I think so. Is it because of his eyes? Yeah. What about Dave? Can I pull that off? I know that and thought, I think you'd pull off Davy. Davey boy.

You want to try it? Yeah, go for a rebrand. Okay, we'll try it. I'm going to do it organically. I'm not going to force it now. Davey, Bugsy, Warnocky. I also don't really call you, Dave. You used to drive a VW as well.

Yes, I was very weird. Yeah. But it wasn't a bugsy. In my 20s, I was very weird. Stay weird, Dave. Dave. Davey. So, yeah, he was a mobster.

kind of a big underground mover and shaker in Vegas. But to Susan Berman, he was just dad. For Vulture, Lisa DePollo wrote, he'd pick Susan up from school and help her with her math homework in the counting room. Math is what Americans called maths. Oh, okay, thank you. In case you were like, what? What's that?

Huh. That's maths. Is it like singular? I think they just do one sum. 7 times 7.49. It's a great one. Wow. And it's not technically a sum, is it? That's addition. Doesn't matter.

Equation one. I didn't even do a single math. He's having a bunch of it. Oh my gosh. What's one less than math? Math minus math is what I do. Matt. That's you. Matt, yes.

So he teach her math homework in the counting room using casino chips. That's nice. It's like if you're going to learn math at someone's workplace, the casino is perfect. Perfect. He taught her how to play gin at the age of four. This was so she'd have something to do with the bodyguards who lived in their house. She just grew up thinking they were just friends and uncles.

Yeah, the fellas around. It wasn't until much later in life that she realized who they actually were or all these other things. They're weird, but when that's the only thing you know, it's not that weird. Yeah. Like she was like, oh, that's why the windows were so high off the ground. So there'd be no drive-by shootings. Wow. Why they never had the keys because that was apparently that's a mobster thing.

If you have your keys and you get shot, then your family's in trouble. So the keys were left with the security guard and stuff like that. Interesting. All right. So they let you in. Yeah. You got a dormant. Basically, yeah.

And they played gin with toddlers. Yeah. Sure. She was wondering why her onesies are made of Kevlar. Yeah. I just thought everyone had bulletproof onesies. There were things like she'd get whisked away at different times. Like, oh, we got to lay low.

So she was whisked off to other cities. And she's like, oh, I just thought it was fun adventures. No, we were on a holiday. I got to have ice cream when we did that. It was the best. Wow. Her dad died, though, at the age of 53, which is not unusual in that line of business. but what was unusual, it was of a heart attack.

I was going to joke of natural causes. Yeah, it was of natural causes. Wow. But do you think looking over your shoulder your whole life, that's probably not. Probably not. Probably not. That's the old tickers. Yeah, not great.

She later wrote that she never appreciated the irony that he was maybe the only gangster of that era to die a natural death. A month before her father died, he threw a lavish 12th birthday party at the Riviera, where Liberarchie sang happy birthday to her. That is a big party. This article has lines like, to her, the real king of Vegas wasn't Elvis, it was her dad, though she did know Elvis. Elvis was just some guy that just came in and serenated it. Yeah, later, I was just like, oh, he was a singer. Oh, I just thought he was an uncle or something.

Nice guy. Shit at gin. Absolutely fleeced him. So she didn't know that he was a mobster until adult. hood and finding out about his dark past didn't tarnish her memory of him as de paolo writes his FBI wanted poster was hung prominently in her living room and she carried his mug shot in her wallet and would quote whip it out the way the rest of us showed baby pictures according to an old colleague she rather than showing babies she's like check out my dead dad okay great that's

really ended this conversation yeah well that's my break done so I'm going to go back to my desk now. Yeah. Yeah, I'll see you. No, I don't know if I can go out for drinks later, yeah. But it was funny because apparently it was working in the media where people were going, oh, you're not any relation to Davey. She's like, yeah, it's my dad.

And she, for a while, she was like, oh, that's interesting. And then she started looking into it and really figured out the extent of her father's underworld involvement. Honestly. Is she a bit stupid? How did she not know until like her 20s? She's working in the media? Yeah.

She has no critical thinking skills. All that stuff's adding up now in those articles. And that FBI wanted person that's hanging in the lounge room. That's what that means. That came later. I mean, I'm messing around with the timeline a little bit. But you did say she didn't figure out to her. She was an adult.

Yeah. Well, if that's all you know. Yeah. I fully know that feeling of being like, oh, of course. Yes. But you grow up and you've built this sort of. But it's usually about like things your parents said you couldn't do. And then you go, oh, wait.

You know, like the TV doesn't work on weekdays or something. And you go, oh, our TV didn't work on weekdays. The bruised bit of bananas is the healthiest bit. Exactly. And then you grow up and you go, oh, fuck it. I fully, I've fully realized that bruising when I was an adult. Yeah. I was like, oh, my dad, you are diabolical.

Yeah. How would it get any healthier? It doesn't make, if anything, that's like, I reckon if you really zoomed in on those rotting bruises. Yeah, it's probably. There's probably some bad stuff in there. Not in the 90s there wasn't. So, yeah, she ended up writing a book about it called Easy Street. And when she did this research, she was like, holy shit, he was actually a, maybe she started

thinking, oh, he was involved, but oh, he was like a boss. It's a weird, wild ancestry DNA. Like, most people find out, oh, we used to own a pub in rural Victoria. but she's like, oh, my dad was this huge mob sing. Yeah. I thought everyone had Liberace sing happy birthday. It wasn't until I was 28. I realized that I was, who sang at your 12th birthday?

I don't know their name. In fact, no one's saying. No one. My family? What do you mean? Oh, that's weird. Is your uncle Liberace? What's going on?

I'm so confused. So DePaolo writes at Easy Street, this book she wrote, was published to rave reviews in 1981. and was bought by Universal Studios for $350,000. Wow. Which in today's money is a shit tongue. And the movie never got made though. And apparently, yeah, that bummed Susan out a bit,

but surely that $350,000. That's a bit of padding. Yeah. Yeah, but when you've grown up, the daughter of a mob boss, 350K is probably what? Yeah. And apparently she was good at spending cash. Like she burnt through it.

it. Right, because... But after the dad dies, is the family still wealthy? Or is it kind of like, we lived a wild lifestyle and now dad's gone, they're sort of fending for themselves? Yeah, I think it was a bit like that. Um, her mom was sort of wasn't around either. So she, she was off at a, you know, another uncle's place kind of thing. And, um, he was in and out of jail, her new sort of carer. Oh, right. And, um, so yeah, I think money was left to her. Like, her dad tried to look after her, but yeah, it wasn't that much in the scam of things. Or she certainly burnt through it anyway. And then, like, she burnt through that $350,000, which is a fortune in 901.

I mean, you've got to get Liberati to sing at your 25th. Yeah. And he is not cheap. He's not cheap. Even for family friends. So Berman and Robert Durst were close. You'll read that they were best friends sometimes. I don't know if anyone was really Robert Dirst best friend.

I don't know. she referred to him as like a brother and often dedicated her books to him. DePaula writes, it was always, Bobby this, Bobby that, wonderful Bobby, a friend recalls. Yet when Susan tried to reach him in 2000 to borrow money, because she burnt through what she had, she was irked to find he'd changed his phone number. So, yeah, it's like, oh, a best friend probably doesn't do that without telling you. So she wrote to him via the Dirst organization and he ended up kind of, coming through for her sending two checks worth

$25,000 each. And she's like, I just want to borrow money. He said, no, keep it, it's yours. There are theories that maybe he might have been buying her silence. She was very close to him. Maybe she knew things. Okay.

That's a theory. Like, no one knows for sure. Yeah. Then later that year, on the 11th of December, seemingly out of the blue, Dirst marries the real estate broker, Deborah Lee Sharraton, who they lived together for nine months. Yeah.

And that was years ago. Yeah. Like 12 years. They'd split up. Yeah, right. Okay. And the ceremony, it doesn't sound like it was, you know, a big deal. It was secret.

It were, and only lasted for 15 minutes. It was just like a, let's get this. And that's a bad thing you're saying. I'm not saying it's a bad thing You're judging people who get married privately And in 15 minute ceremonies I'm not saying that But I am saying that

There are certain things that a spouse Doesn't have to say in court I think there's Right Because you're saying Confidence And just just reiterated But I'm just catching up

That they had broken up years before Is that you're saying And then suddenly then married again Gotcha I think they stayed in touch I guess But they weren't in an ongoing wrong relationship.

Suddenly they're married. Yeah. Okay. Right. According to Jones, the rabbi that presided over the ceremony was hired out of the phone book and later told the daily news that, quote, Durs was rather taciturn. He was not buoyant and didn't smile. On his wedding day.

So it does actually sound more and more like you're wedding. Yeah. Yeah. Were you quite taciturn? And also, follow up question? Am I saying that right? Um, it said to your first part, yes? Yes.

Yes. Yes. Yes. I don't know. Taciturn, reserved or uncommunicative in speech, saying little. Yeah, that's me. David, I must say in the word. I believe you are saying it right, but all you have to say is I do, right?

Yeah. Yeah. So. We need to be chatting away. I think this was a chatty rabbi. Yeah. And you can get them sometimes. He's like, how about this weather?

Yeah. I hate small talk. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Gosh. Find the footy? No.

Oh, shut up. Maybe I'd be less taciturn if I could get a bloody wording. Yeah. Yes. Okay. Now, another sad turn here. On the 24th of December in the year 2000, Susan Berman is found dead in her LA home.

This is the daughter of the mafia man. Oh, my gosh. And a good friend of Robert Durs. She was found with a gunshot wound to her head. And according to Jones, there were, and he does it in present tense. There are no signs of forced entry, and all her valuables remain in place. The main piece of evidence is an anonymous letter addressed to the Beverly Hills Police,

Beverly Hills being misspelled, which informs them that there is a cadaver, that's the word they used, in Berman's house. Though Cathy Durst friend suspect she was murdered to keep her from telling the police what she knew about the disappearance. And it is a murder. It's definitely not self-inflict or anything like that. Yeah, definitely, yeah. It's clear that someone has murdered this woman and then a letter has been sent. Yes, exactly.

The LAPD considers Dirst a possible suspect but focuses more on her manager, Noel Brenner, which as it turns out, is they were focusing on the wrong guy. So, yeah, there were different theories, like she's the door of a mob guy. Oh, okay. Are they worried that she's going to write another book? but no, it sounds like she wrote about them in a pretty positive way, if anything. She wrote about them with childlike wonder. She had no fucking idea what was going on.

She can't name any mobsters. She didn't even know they were mobsters. Exactly. And also most of those guys that she would be talking about were all dead. Oh, yeah. So it's not like, it seems, like on the face of you go, daughter of a mob boss who's now writing books, maybe someone's trying to silence her,

but people are like, oh, it doesn't really make any sense. Yeah. Um, yeah. Now, this is, uh, so that there's kind of three sections to this story. The first one was about Kathy. Second one, uh, was about Susan. Uh, and now this third one.

And when I say three sections, then there's probably a fourth after that. Thrilling. A bit of an epilogue. As I go, they'll, I'll be like, okay, no, five sections. Just don't even put a number to it. Just say, and now I am. beginning a new section. Yes, okay, great.

That's good. I think that's nice. And AJ will tidy that up in post. No, there'll be no need. It's perfect. Okay, great. Even this bit? Yeah.

It's real. No, you answer. No answer. Okay. Oh, shit. Where is it? I've lost my phone. Oh, well, they'll call back.

All right. So we're heading to Galveston in Texas. And writing for Vanity Fair, Another one, I can't believe how many great names in this story, but even the journalists have cracker names. Ned Zeman. Wow. So Ned Zeman writes, the island of Galveston sits off the south-eastern coast of Texas, about an hour's drive from Houston.

It's an affordable beach town known for its peaceful lifestyle and good fishing. On September the 30th in 2001, a man named David Avina stood on a rocky slip of beach near his home, fishing with his stepdaughter and son. Step son. Whilst casting, the boy, his stepson, noticed a body floating in the water. Oh my God, another body. Caught an Zeman. Avina approached, looked into the shallow water and saw something floating there.

A dead pig, his boy guessed, but Avina knew otherwise. He was a surgical nurse, and he'd seen human corpses in many states of disrepair. One looked like a pig. Yes. But he did say he'd never encountered a naked torso shorn of its head and limbs floating at his feet. So it was new, but he's like, that's human. Oh God, that's grim. By nightfall, the place was crawling with news trucks and police.

Neighbors reported that a number of trash bags have been floating offshore. In time, the police found bags containing two severed arms and two severed legs. They also contained metamusel packets, a receipt. dated the 28th of September from Chalmers Hardware, plastic cups, paper towels, an addition of USA today, at least the cover of it, and the packaging for a bowsaw. On the newspaper was a delivery address.

2213 Avenue K Galveston. This is still a Zemin. The Olive Brown House at 2213 had a little backyard which boarded an alley where tenants put out their garbage cans. Once placed in the alley, the garbage ceased to be private property. Good news for the cops who don't even have to get a warrant to search these bins. Oh. And they wasted no time.

Inside the garbage cans, they found an empty trash bag box, a metamusal box, plastic cups, paper towels and packaging for a drop cloth. How backed up are these people? Yeah, multiple metamusal boxes. Yeah. I'm not a, yeah, I don't even know if we get to the bottom or why the metalmusal boxers. Metamusals there. They're trying to get to the bottom.

Yeah. I was going to say the same thing. I was like, he said bottom. Bottom, that sounds like a poo thing. I fell on my bottom. They're trying to get to the bottom. Most of the items had been purchased at Charmer's hardware, where the receipt was found in the box. You're a metamusal.

It's all tying together like so neatly. Like, I don't know if someone. ones. It's suspiciously neat, isn't it? It's so stupid. It's almost like, come on. That's what it feels like, but I think it's just stupid. Oh, okay.

There's also, like, even you go, oh, they're obviously the same metamusals. Well, they matched them via serial number and it was the same metamusal package. Okay, wow. Police also discovered the packaging for a four-inch pairing knife, a spent 22-caliber shell casing, a pair of men's briefs, a bloody sock, an eviction notice addressed to a Morris Black, and an eye exam receipt made out to a Robert Durst. What?

This all comes back to the first guy? Yes. Oh, my God. Fuck, hell. Who's all that coming? And who's Morris? Yeah. Is that going to be Section 5?

No, no, Morris is the guy without a head. Okay. Oh! Oh, he really was evicted then. Yeah. Sorry, that taste. Yeah, that is bad taste. If you want a really swift eviction, get on to that metamusel.

God, he is good. That's really good. That is really good. So, still with Zemin. It could be Zeman. Because it is spelled like seaman with a Zed. Let's just call him giz. No, we'll call him Zeman.

Zemin. I think Zemin's great. Okay. Ned Zemin, actually. If you're going to put Ned Zeman is good, but Ned Zemin is fantastic. Yeah. The E, yeah. It sounds like a Led Zeppelin cover band.

Yes. Yes. That's really good. That's really good. We should call him. You guys are on absolute fire today. Let's call him. We got an offer for you.

Ned. We've got an idea. Ned, are you sitting there? We're about to change your life, mate. So we're still with Zemmen. who obviously, you know, was writing by day. Busting out some very high-pitched vocals by night. So he writes,

Morris Black lived downstairs in Apartment 1. Durst was not listed as a tenant. So they're like, oh, it's interesting that his stuff was mixed up here. Then October the 3rd police executed a search warrant on Black's apartment. And there they found blood in the kitchen sink, the bathroom shower and on the carpet. it. They also found blood between Black's apartment and the unit across the hall. That unit's tenant was a Dorothy signer. Police searched her apartment. It was sparsely furnished and had no

telephone. What it did have, though, was another section of that USA Today newspaper that was found. Is this section five? Section five of the paper. Yeah. Yeah. Whoa. That is interesting. That's weird. Yeah. They also found more trash bags, a drop cloth, perhaps the one from the packaging, a plus bloody boots and a bloody four-inch pairing knife. Preliminary blood tests turned out positive in various parts of the apartment, police said. Also, there was a cut in the kitchen's linoleum floor and blood had seeped through the cut, soaking the wood beneath the flooring. Gross.

The tenant, Miss Siner, wasn't home. In fact, she was rarely home. The landlord Klaus Dillman had seen her only four times. Klaus Dillman, another. That's amazing. Klaus. Her lights were on rarely and her blinds were always closed. She was very quiet.

Very quiet, in fact. When she showed up to rent the place about six months earlier, she communicated only in writing. I can't talk, she scribbled. A throat condition, she indicated. Oh, my gosh. That's so suss. She always paid with unsigned money orders.

On occasion, a friend stayed with her, and once or twice Dilman had chatted with him, the friend's name was Robert Durst. Sometimes Dorothy would enter the house, and minutes later, Durst would leave. Sometimes it was the other way around. Dorothy liked to visit the local library. She wore glasses, which sometimes were held together with tape.

Every now and then her neighbours saw Dirst smoking on the porch. He was shy and polite and avoided eye contact. But he wanted quiet and sometimes he yelled at school kids to keep their voices down. He took issue with the barking of neighbourhood dogs. He barked back. Well, that'll help. Yeah, that doesn't exacerbate the problem. No.

Feels like that would be more of a duggie durst. He's trying to be more like his brother. Yeah. He's like, how do I get the big gig? Still with Zeman. None of the tenants got along with Morris Black. though. He was 71, lonely and cranky, always whining that he was about to die. Eventually he was correct on that. Always in everyone's business. Further garbage sifting turned up more evidence.

Police said a 22 calibre pistol and two clips of ammunition. In the meantime, neighbours said that on the night before the torso was found, they'd seen Dirst loading bags into a silver wagon-like car. Police found a vehicle identification number registered to Dirst. Was that a Vaux wagon? It was not a Volkswagen. It was a silver Honda CRV. My actual dream car when I was a teenager. Yeah, CRV. CRV when I got on my P's,

my dream was to drive a Honda CIV. And I never achieved that dream. What a dream that was. Yeah, I had the same dream. You loved them. God, they were cool. They were like little mini full drive. Yeah, they were so cute.

I wanted like an old falcon wagon. Yeah, that's cool. Similar idea. You got up in a different time. We didn't, you didn't have. Or a Toyota Salika. Oh, yeah, they were cool. Oh, that was so cool.

Then on October the 9th, so we're like a couple weeks later, or a week or so later, police spotted the Honda travelling through Galveston and pulled it over. When Officer Gary Jones looked through the car's window, he saw, in addition to the driver, a bowsaw. It's all like fallen together pretty straightforward. It was like the bowsaws like seat belted in to sit in next to him. Yeah, he's talking to. It's got googly eyes on it. I love you.

I'm looking at what a bow so. Okay, great. Yeah, that is what I was picturing, so that's good. Now I feel pretty powerful. Can you show me? Yeah. Because I'm imagining. Yeah.

Yeah. See? We belong at Bunnings. Yeah, totally. I was imagining like the handle going over the top. Yes. Yeah. Like a bow.

Like a bow. But it's one side of the soil. What are the chances? No relation. So it turns out, Dirst had moved to Galveston, perhaps to lay low. He was getting heat from. you know, a couple of suspicious deaths that were close to people he was close to. Yeah.

And to do so, he posed as a mute woman named Dorothy Siner, a name he borrowed from a girl he went to school with. He was busted for the murder and, as discussed, there was a lot of evidence against him. You know, it was, felt pretty open and shut. Word got back to McCormack's family, his first wife. and they were hopeful that the man they were sure had killed their Kathy was finally going to be brought to some sort of justice. Right.

And when Dirst was arrested, he didn't put up a fight. He was charged with murder but released on bail at $300,000. Apparently this was, it's kind of a loophole, but in Texas, at least at the time, you had to be offered bail unless he basically had killed a cop or like there was a certain level that would mean that you were held without bail. Probably done to dismember a man and throw him in the, in the ocean. Yeah.

So, right, not a flight risk. While impersonating, like, while committing fraud also in hiring that apartment. Has incredibly deep family pockets. So $300,000. Nothing. It's probably got that on him. Who cares? Yeah, well, he, I mean, part of the reason maybe he married again, she,

He was able to, part of it sounds like it was so that if he died, the money wouldn't go back to his family. He added, you know, a chunk of his own cash as well. Yeah. And he got a couple of million a year from a trust, I think, as well. And he wanted to make sure if he died that this, his wife, you know, by convenience, she would get it instead of the family. So she was the one who was able to put up the 300 grand. and an arrangement was scheduled for the 16th of October. But this might surprise you, he was a no-show.

What? But where was Dorothy? Yes. Yeah, people did, they were like, oh, we've never seen them together, Dorothy and, and, uh, I keep wanting to call him Fred, Dorothy and Bobby. According to Zemin, in November, Durst was spotted in Plano, Texas, so there's a big manhunt. He's on, like, America's Most Warner on TV and stuff like that.

By the time police got to Plano, though, which I'm sure is not how you say it, Plano, Texas. Maybe it's exactly there. Yeah. By the time the cops got there, he was gone. There are alleged durst sightings in all sorts of places. In northern California, in homeless shelters, even in Manhattan, after all, that's where his wife lived. and, you know, he had places to stay there.

But then there was a break in the case. Another, like, you think of how sloppy the other thing was? Get ready for a bit more sloppiness. Slop it up. So a man-fitting dirt's description was held at a grocery store in Hanover, Township, Pennsylvania, for stealing a sandwich. Amazingly, this is how he was found. Despite having $500 on him in cash,

he was caught stealing a $5.49 chicken salad sandwich. It turned out Dirst had been staying in a hotel nearby using another alias. This one's fantastic. Emilio Vinoini. He'd shaved off his hair and eyebrows. In the store where he was caught, he cut himself shaving and he was trying to put a band-aid on him. And then he had not just the $500 in cash on him, he had $37 grand in his car. There was no reason for him.

To shop left a sandwich. No. I mean, good that he's caught, but what an idiot. Oh, yeah, massive idiot. Yeah. And he, like, couldn't explain. He's like, you know, I don't know what's going on here. And some people are like it's almost like he wanted to get caught. Exactly.

Yeah, it's like a self-sabotage. Wanted to get caught. Why did he, he just, he was caught and he went on the run. According to Zaman, locals had seen him wearing a brown wig and a white mustache and talking to himself. Inside the trunk of the car that he was now driving, cops found. And two handguns, a stash of marijuana. Apparently he's a big chuffer. 37K, all in hundreds.

And Zaman suggests this was possibly the end of his nest egg. Weeks earlier, his wife, because the cops had, his assets have been frozen as well, obviously. Weeks earlier, his wife, Sharerton, tried to withdraw 1.8 million from one of his accounts. but that she wasn't able to do it because they were frozen. The car was traced back to rent a wreck in Mobile Alabama. It had been picked up on the 17th of October. And this is like, to me this is weird stuff. The name he used, the fake name he used here on the rental agreement was Morris Black.

Huh? Yuck. So. Are you going to get to why he killed Morris Black? Well, I'm afraid it's a bit of a mystery, but... He was a winger. Winder maybe a bit nosy. I think that's the main theory is that he probably heard something he shouldn't have heard.

Some say that maybe it was this one, like it was so messy, maybe it was a real heat of the moment thing. But I don't, like, Bobby, he wasn't a big, uh, admitter of things. Sure, but like, and that is weird though, too, checking under the name of the person he killed. Yeah, that's pretty gross. So he's, you know, held in jail for the next few years waiting for his trial for the murder of Morris Black. Cornyn Jones, he argues that he killed Black in self-defense after the older man threatened him with a gun, although he admits, quote, I did dismember him. in self-defense I mean

I think I think the idea was that was he panicked he's like I've I've killed in self-defense now I'm I've panicked and I don't want to get done for murder so I dismembered him

and got rid of the try to get rid of the body yeah they'll never believe me but I didn't do it in cold blood during the trial he also admits that his marriage to Sharitan was

quite a marriage of convenience to give her power of attorney, et cetera. She's in the audience going, what the fuck? Wait, what? I love you. I got a tattoo for you. I thought he was taciturn. For People magazine, Maria Yagoda writes, another great name.

The Texas jury believed Durs claimed that he killed black in self-defense and subsequently disposed of the body in a panic. And on the 11th of November 2003, he was found not guilty. You're kidding me. They bought the story. That it was self-defense. Self-defense. Yeah.

How, I don't know how often that would happen that self-defense leads to you carving up the body with a bow sore. And then going on the run and using that man's name. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, rich people can get great lawyers. Not guilty. Wow. Yeah.

And not even like they can't even get him for second-degree murder or something like that because, is it because they went after him for the first? Yeah. And if they believe it's self-defense, then. Yeah. The following year he pleads guilty to tampering with evidence, though, and jumping bail. Hard to argue against that. Yes. And that led to a sentence of five years with credit for time served, and that meant he was released on parole the following year.

He broke the conditions of his bail, though, pretty quickly, returning to the scene of the crime. What the fuck? And also, he was basically meant to not leave a certain vicinity of his house. He also, yeah, he traveled and went to a mall. And this one was unlucky. He got busted at the mall as he bumped into the judge who presided over his murder trial. No. And apparently, like, they were both walking up to each other going,

I don't know this guy from. And then they had an awkward smile. And they had an awkward conversation because the judge didn't, the judge didn't set the parole terms. So he didn't even know it was only later he was like, oh, yeah. I ran into him. He wasn't meant to be there. That's pretty funny. They made small talk.

Yeah. That would be so weird, wouldn't it? Especially if the judge is thinking, I reckon you did it. Yeah. Yeah, and apparently the judge was apparently during the case, he was, uh, uh, Dirst was really aggressive to him. So it was like at first, he was like, oh, shit, what's, what's going to happen here when they bumped into each other?

Yeah. And then he's like, oh, I can tell he's actually really nervous. So he felt pretty safe. And they just had an awkward conversation. Yeah, just buying a new sweater. Yeah. And there was... Then I'm going to go get a Wendy's, yeah.

The judge... Cool, good to see you. The judge was interviewed on an American, like, you know, a news chat show. And one of the questions was, oh, what shop were you? And he's a cross-dresser. So were you buying women's dresses? And the judge was like, no, we were just walking through the center of the mall. It's so funny.

I mean, I... News chat show. I was cringing so hard reading the transcript. I haven't seen the footage. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't awkward. But it feels like, oh, swinging a miss there, bro. Yeah. Breaking the parole man, he was back in jail.

But great lawyer and the lawyer said, uh, the parole conditions were a bit strict, so he got him out again. And, uh, man can't go to the mall. Officer. Man can't return to the scene of the crime. I thought this was land of the free. And the judge's like, oh, shit. Yeah.

It is. That is good. Yeah. Jeez. What an orator. Am I saying that right? That's what the judge would say. So yeah, first of March 2006, he was once again a free man.

So he could have gone to the Melbourne Commonwealth Games. Is that right? Oh, man. Will they September that year? Yeah, they worry about that time. Could just come with me to see the weightlifting or the men's gymnastics. Yeah, saw some basketball. Did you?

I didn't see anything. I didn't see anything. I was in Europe. Oh, that must have been all. Awful. Well, my parents took me to a bunch of things because I missed the Sydney Olympics because I had chicken pox and they felt bad. So I went to the opening ceremony of the Commonwealth Games. And it was fine.

At the G? Yeah, I think so. Who was the big act? It doesn't quite have the same budget. The church? Church. Church. Churches.

It's interesting. It's pre-churches. The church. Before they went plural. Before they went plural. Under the Milky Way tonight? Yes. What a tune.

Did a scene with Steve Kilby, the singer. Oh my gosh. In between takes, I'm wearing a he-man outfit. And in-between takes, he's playing himself. Of course he is. And I... Are you playing he-man? In-between takes, I go, sorry, Steve, I'm not really an actor.

And he goes, no kidding. Oh! That is brutal. It was brutal. Like, you know, I think we were joking together, but... Is he an actor? No. Great.

He was probably. I thought it was funny. I'm ready to fight. Yeah. Have I seen that guy? That's absurd. Jesse, you can tell him, I saw you at the Commonwealth Games. You're not a singer.

Yeah. No kidding. No kidding. He was like, what? I was like, that's for Matt Stewart. He was like, who? You might know him as he, he man. What?

I've got to ask what's this for? What was this for? It was for under the Milky Way. Oh, of course. So, yeah, which you were both on as well. That's right. Dave as the bandit. I was the bandit.

Yes, I had a local radio host. And Jess as... Lorraine. Lorraine, an assistant to the mayor or something like that. Yeah, I was pretty dumb. Acting. Shane Dunlop writes women. Pretty dumb.

Interesting, Shane. Esogeny is showing. Your sogeny. Your sogeny. Back to... Dirst. So, yes. He's out in about 2006.

Not really, no big breaks in any sort of case or anything. In 2010, people are interested in this story and also that he's getting away, like seemingly getting away. This one's as clear as anything. There's some doubt still about the other two. You know how the public wanker guy got them investigating it again. Did that bring up any new evidence or anything like that? Well, the guy he, it got a local cop really invested in the case. Right.

Who wasn't aware of it. He was too young when it happened, even though it was local. And he ended up, you know, being a big part of, you know, sticking with the case and working with the family and friends of Kathy. I'm just really hoping that that public wanker guy, really, he mattered. Yeah, yeah. He got him. He mattered, things other than his pubic. So.

So. In 2010, a movie is released titled All Good Things. It was directed by a guy called Andrew Jarecki and was based on Kathy's disappearance. Well, the names are changed enough to be like. Oh, like a feature. It's not a doco. Yeah, yeah. Right.

And the Durst character, who was named someone else, John Marks or something like that, was played by Ryan Gosling. Really? Which is a real glow-up for Bobby. Very flattering. Yeah. You'd be stoked with that, wouldn't you? And Kathy was played by Kirsten Dunst. Mm-hmm. Or the Kathy role.

According to Jones, that year Dirst saw the film, or not, let me do it in present tense as Jones like to do. That year, Dirst sees the film at a private screening and later tells the New York Times, quote, Parts made me cry. Huh. Against the advice of his lawyer, he contacts the film's director, director, Jerke to offer a lengthy sit-down interview.

His lawyers and stuff are like, don't do this. Director probably doesn't even want this. What? He's already made the film. Yeah. He's like, no, you know,

I guess he was flattered by a Gosling playing him and stuff like that. Even though the film heavily implied that his character was responsible for three murders, he was like,

no, I'd like to do an interview with Jerkekekekeke. is like, okay. And this interview becomes the basis for HBO show The Jinks. So if he didn't do that,

that probably would have been he would have just lived this or he maybe would have killed again, I don't know, but he would have, if he could stop from killing. Those three wouldn't have caught up with him again. He would have probably just, you know, lived a free man.

But no, he wanted a bit of time in the sun, I guess. Wanted to tell the story his way. During the interviews with Durecky, he denied any culpability in the deaths of Kathy McCormick and Susan Berman. Obviously, he couldn't say the same for Morris Black because he's like, I did kill him, but it was in self-defense. Durecky later gets its hands on an envelope addressed to Berman from Dirst. Like, because he's now basically investigating it himself. Yeah. Working with Kathy's family, Kathy McCormack.

She changed her name to Durs, but I don't know. You know what I'm talking about. Yes. Kathy McCormack, her family is, you know, they're all kind of communicating a bit. And, yeah, this letter that is uncovered is from Durs, written, handwritten from Dirst to Berman, and it matches the handwriting of the cadaverly letter. Right. Oh, Beverly Hills misspelled.

Including the same misspelling of Beverly Hills. Wow. And how did he get this letter? He got it through, it's all shown in the doco and I'm... It'sy, I think. Yeah. I think he outbid. The mysterious was sick.

You really call me. I was like, have you sang the docketing? Fuck. Acting. Sorry. That's great. That's really good. I'd love to know how Dave thought that made sense.

Yeah. Well, that's, it took a second. Oh, guy, it was a comedy show. It was crafted. Yeah, 500 episodes. Sometimes we forget to. Yeah, God, but that is. Dear listeners, when you're like, this isn't funny.

I feel like it was, might have been like Susan Berman's son or something like, I think that's right. And I think from memory, you should watch the docket because there's all sorts of other stuff going on and it is gripping. Yeah. And they ended up making. the second season because of what happened during the filming of the first season and the airing of the first season. But, yeah, I think it was the son who had really taken a shining to Bobby.

He, you know, he was giving him cash and that sort of stuff. I think, and he sort of believed him. But in the end, I think he handed over this letter and it was like, well, this is pretty big evidence. Yes, the exact handwriting and misspellings. It's crazy. There are parts of the documentary. There's a part where he just seems, he's really nervy and he sort of practices phrases, Dirst. Yeah.

I was like before they're about to sit down. Yeah, like, and they, you know, they're rolling a lot. And he seems to when the mic's hot often and he's sitting there with his lawyers like, hey, the mic's on and he's just sort of like running through phrasing of. I didn't do it. I did not do it. Yeah. I didn't do it.

I didn't do it. It's not that far off, to be honest. That's really funny. In 2012, Durecki interviews Dirst again, and he confronts him with the envelope, sort of blindsides with him on camera. And Jones writes that Dirst is unable to identify which handwriting is not his. They show them the two and said, which one is your, if you didn't write them both, one of these you definitely wrote, we know you did, which one is it?

And he's like, I'm not sure he couldn't tell, which is like, okay, that's interesting. Then, in the bathroom afterwards, Dirst mutters to himself, and this is how they finish season one of the jinx. He mutters to himself while his mic is still hot. He's having a piss. The toilet flushes. That's good. Good to know.

And he says, there it is. You're caught. What the hell did I do? Killed them all, of course. It's really unnerving actually It's really creepy And apparently So which is like

I mean Watching it It was like Holy shit Yeah Holy shit It turns out That they've edited it a bit

It made it sound more coherent than it was They edit in the flush Because they were like They added it out the flush actually But in court This ends up getting played in court and there's the flush and it is. I'll read out what the transcript soon.

But apparently I didn't realize this until last night. Even though I was caught on mic, they had so much footage. They're not listening to him while he's pissing. They didn't know they had that for two years. Whoa. Yeah. Whoa. Someone just listening back and going, holy crap.

Yes. He just said he did it. Yeah. And just before. before they found that, the investigation for another reason was reopened into Susan Berman's death. And according to Jones, when the fifth episode of The Jinks aired on HBO, introducing the crucial cadaver envelope, Dirst again went on the run. And at the same time, a Los Angeles judge signs a warrant for Dirst's arrest for the murder of Susan Berman.

So it's sort of closing in on him. Then on the 14th of March 2015, the day before the jinx finale, the FBI arrest Durs in New Orleans, where he is thought to be planning an escape to Cuba. At the time of his arrest, Ders is in possession of a gun, $40,000 and a latex mask. The LAPD denies that the show had anything to do with the timing of Dirst's arrest. But it feels like a funny coincidence. It does sound like it had something to do with the timing of him going on the run. Yeah, yeah. No, we only did it then because he was about to flee.

Nope. And maybe he was about to flee because the final episode was about to ebb. But I don't think you can draw any conclusions there. I mean, we don't even have HBO down at the station. We've only got basic cable. I don't even own a TV. I've never seen TV. So he's busted, he's arrested,

and he goes on trial for the murder of Susan Berman, a woman who saw him as her brother. Supposedly, though, we're best friends. But you'd love him to go, all right, here's the story, here's what happened. But he didn't. He pleaded not guilty. I mean, it's worked for him before, isn't it? Yeah.

Yeah. During the case, it is revealed that the recorded confession that was played on the jinx, there it is, you caught. What the hell did I do? Killed them all, of course, was actually edited by the documentary makers. That's a bit dodgy to be on. Yeah, I find it really annoying. Because you're like, documentaries are they do manipulate things sometimes

and they did it in other ways and you go, oh, how much manipulation did you do? So you say, there it is, but I didn't do it. Yeah. It's not, well, I did not do it. Didn't kill those people, of course. Yeah, yeah, there's got all those things. It wasn't like he, it was that manipulated. It was just tightened up in a way that made it much more succinct.

Right, okay. Bagley writes, the filmmakers defend their edits as being entirely representative of what Mr. Dirst said. But other documentarians, like a guy called Mark J. Harris, an Academy Award winning filmmaker and professor at the University of South Carolina, who actually taught one of the other makers of the jinx, a guy called Mark Smirling, he questioned it saying, the editing is problematic. They put those lines together in a way that's very damning, but it is definitely more ambiguous in the transcript. So here is, maybe I'll also say deputy district attorney, you know, one putting the case forward for the prosecution in court, a guy called John Lewin, stressed to jurors, though that while

the audio was edited before it appeared in the dramatic finale of the jinx, the original version was no less damaging. So this is, this is the transcript, as I believe it to be. And a few bits, there are bits that say, unintelligible, you know, he's pissing. just mumbling to himself. Oh, just keep pissing. Just keep pissing. Okay.

Dave, not everybody has to say that to themselves. Okay. Almost done. Come on. You're doing so well. So proud of me. No one's watching.

It's okay. Waterfalls. Relax. Rain. A leaky pack. Okay, so is a sorry. What is? Okay.

Unintelligible. Then? I don't know what you're expected to get I don't know what's in the house Oh I want this Killed them all of course Unintelligible I want to do something new

There's nothing new about that Inaudible but possibly disaster He was right I was wrong The burping I'm having difficulty with the question What the hell did I do So it's

What? Very different That is so different So different That is the ravings of a madman Yeah So, I'm trying to piece together all the bits that they used. Yeah, the three bits they used were killed them all, of course.

So there's a couple lines and killed them all, of course, and a few more lines, then what the hell did I do? So he said, what the hell did I do? And the way they presented it was, he asked that question and then said, killed them all, of course. But it was, that were totally separate thoughts. And what about the bit that you're caught? Was that said it at all?

It was all said, but it was just like this. It was sort of spread out and sporadic. Oh, man, because that really sounds like, it's entirely different. It's so different. Yes. And they're being like, so disappointed because I remember seeing that go around and being like, whoa. Yeah. It's chilling.

Interesting. Yeah, so it's like, I'm like, are they? So it's not like they cleaned it up for, all right, we just scrubbed the bits, but you couldn't understand what he's saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who knows? We don't want to say what he said because we don't know what he said. And we just cut out the middle crappy bits.

They actually shifted the order. Yeah. That's the question that you didn't ask. Yeah, that's right. They fully changed the implication of that. Like, it was just like, kill them all, of course. I mean, it doesn't sound great, but it's not at all like how they presented it. Yeah.

Hmm. Right. Bit of a bummer, but it's... I mean, I don't think he's any less guilty of this table. No, no, that's right. Yeah. It sounded like they've absolutely got him. Yeah.

But I don't know how this ends. It does sound like he could, from this, get away with it. Because that doesn't, that sounds like just someone ranting to themselves, muttering to themselves. Yes. They also, yeah, like there are articles saying in some ways, you know, the makers of this documentary are also kind of on trial because it's like, should you be able to do that?

And a lot of people like, no, I don't think you should be able to. I don't think so from, not having seen it, but hearing the two transcripts read there, I'm like, wow, that's completely different. Yeah, it's not quite the same, but like Homer Simpson, you know. That's weird. Can. If there was, if he was doing that on camera, you wouldn't be able to edit it like that. It's only because it's audio that they were able to.

Yeah. They must have, they must have known that it was a bit dodgy. But it made for a very impactful season finale. Exactly. Yeah, totally. I mean, they probably go, well, it wouldn't have got the attention up if we didn't do that. During the trial, Dirst's lawyers finally conceded that he did in fact write and send the cadaver letter to police. They weren't sure how to deal with that.

They're hoping an answer will come to us. Yeah. And it never did. But they did say that didn't mean he killed her saying, quote, what the note demonstrates is that the person who mailed it was aware that there was a body at the house. Not that the individual murdered Susan Berman, which is true, but it's like why I denied for so long. long if you had written the letter. But it's the same thing with Morris Black, isn't it? Why cut up the body and throw it into the harbour if you did it in self-defense?

Yeah. And it worked? Worked last time. Yeah, that's right. And what, like, using the word cadaver about your best friend? Really weird. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, like if you walked into a house and found your best friend shot dead. You'd call the cops. Call the cops. Oh, my God. Yeah. You'd call an ambulance probably right off the bat. And just like really. She's been shot in the head.

I need help. Finally, on the 17th of September, 2021, Dirst is convicted of the murder of Susan Berman. 2021, wow. And is sentenced, not on that day, but later sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. The following month, New York police charged him with the murder of his wife, Kathy. So this is, you know, 40 years later. Huge for the family, though. Huge, yes.

And there is footage if you watch. Season two of the jinx, there's footage of the family watching the confession and different moments of the first seasons of the jinks. And you just like, you see the sort of relief and not relief, but I mean, it would be quite a strange feeling, but it's like. There is a bit of relief. Thank God that this is catching up with him in some way. Because he just like, how they're like, we want justice for Kathy. And he keeps sort of getting away. But I mean, I'm afraid it sort of still ends pretty heartbreaking.

Oh, I should say, I've written this pretty good line here. But just as the movie about his life, all good things came to an end on the 10th of January 2022. So did his life. Even though that wasn't a good thing. He went in a cardiac arrest at a California hospital and died soon after. But as Danny, this is like, I'm afraid it's a bit of a bummer of an ending because I'd love to have just finished it there.

He died. He was, justice was coming. for him and he died, which I think you could take it like that. He died knowing he was charged for two murders until that point had got away with. One of them he was found guilty of. When he died, he was in the process of appealing the Susan Berman conviction. But as Danny Anguano writes for the Guardian, and yeah, I'm afraid this is an unsatisfying end to the story. He died on the 10th of January, I mean, this part is pretty satisfying, in a California hospital, while serving a life sentence for shooting his best friend.

Interestingly, Anguano suggested it, like, the motives were clearly saying, he shot her in the back of the head at her Los Angeles home in 2000 as she was preparing to tell police what she knew about McCormack's death. Right. Just weeks after he was sentenced for Berman's killing, a New York ground jury indicted him on second-degree murder charge in McCormack's case. But the 78-year-old's death upended both cases. bringing the McCormack charges to a halt and thanks to a quirk in the Californian law,

seeing the Berman murder conviction rendered void because the case was under appeal when he died. Really? Yeah. So he was found guilty, but technically that was voided when he died because it was under appeal. Ah. Which is an unset, I mean, but really, you know, he's dead. And they can't sue for defamation. So he did it.

We know he did it. Yeah. And the family's still going through, I think they're suing for wrongful death of his widow, his second wife. And I don't know where that's at. But yeah, I just hope that they got some closure from, because obviously it was way rougher when it was just,

there was no charges brought before the jinx was shown even. or put together, it probably was looking like there would have been, you know, he would have just been remembered as a suspect. Right. And if he hadn't arrogantly done the interviews. Yeah. Which he volunteered to do. Don't even ask, requested him to do.

Wow, that's. And they never found Kathy's body, obviously. No. And they don't know what happened to it. And I don't think they ever found Morris Black's head either as far as I know. Wow. That's so awful. Yeah.

What a monster. Yeah. Yeah. So interesting, so gripping, and we all know true crime is very popular for these reasons, makes you feel all sorts of things. Yeah, that's right, because it is real people. And it is, but it's an interesting one in this case because the true crime media actually led to developments and maybe him getting closer to being brought to justice than he would have otherwise.

But yeah, but he lived like a large percentage of his life as a free man and getting away with it. He did. Yeah. Yeah. And what really, it was only when he started looking for the bit of the limelight that, you know, he spent a lot of the rest of his life in jail from that point on. Yeah. Even though he was dodging when he should have been found guilty of the Morris Black thing.

He ended up in jail for a bunch of time anyway. Yeah. Yes, okay. Yeah. old story. I felt like that was the one. I couldn't remember if it was the jinx or the documentary, the staircase where the guy,

I remember that the bit of readmits it on like on a microphone. But I also did not know that they had manipulated it. So I wasn't sure the whole time it was going to be that one or the other one. Why do they call the jinx? I don't know that for sure, but I... I just googled it. Well, I was Googling him before. Yeah.

I could just let you answer the question. Well, my guess was that it's just like, oh, wherever he goes, misery sort of follows, but it's not, that was my interpretation of it, but obviously he's not a jinx. He's actively bringing in misery. But is it something else? He wasn't sure if I was asking the dumbest question ever and I'd miss the bit. Remember, that was his nickname the whole time. It was, it was along those lines, I can't find it now. It was one of those things that people also searched for, but I think it was that like he didn't want to have kids because he hadn't had a good childhood and, yeah, thought of himself as a bit

of a jinx. Right. And because he was like, oh, because people around me keep dying. Because you kill them, you fuck you. Yeah, yeah.

What are the chances? I'm such a jinx. Oh, man, I'm just bad luck, I guess. It's like, no, you're a murderer.

Yeah. But that's bad luck. That's, but they're two different things. Bad luck and murder. That was fascinating, Matt. And yeah,

like you say, there's a lot of feelings around true crime and that kind of stuff, but it is so gripping and interesting that story. Yeah. Yes.

I appreciate people suggesting it, and the patrons who voted for it, was so close. I think I put like seven or eight options up, and it was split all over the place. It got, as a topic, you got about 20% of the vote winning only by a couple of votes. Wow. With about 800 voters. Huge. Yeah. My most recent report was a similar ratio.

It was really refreshing the thing. I'm like, I got to get gone on this. Yeah. I got to get gone. Somebody please. one of these topics really did. It's a pull out in front. Yeah.

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And then you buy someone a cap, They buy you a cap It's cute I know it sounds like a cult, but it's not a cult. It's not a cult. And if it is, it's like a pretty nice one. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The cordial is just cordial. Yeah. You know? The Kool-Aid. Yeah. Anyway. You get the idea. There's bonus this stuff there.

But yeah, one of the things, if you sign up on the Sydney-Shaunberg level or above, you get to be involved in this section of the show, which is called fact quote or question, which actually has a jingle go, something like this. Fact Quote or Quote or Quay. Oh He always remembers the ding Shios room as a scene And in this section of the show You get to give us a fat quote or question or a bragger or suggestion

or really whatever you like And I'll read them out on the show We've got two this week And boy howdy Are they crackers I'll be honest with you I haven't read them I never do

But But uh Yeah if history is to repeat itself As it always does Are they going to be crackers Yeah They just have always been that one Okay

Okay So the first one comes from Bob McBobbobbiddy Bobbington, okay Capitaine of getting annoyed. Are you the only other person I know who pronounces Capitaine like that? All El Clappitano. El Clappitano. That's right.

And when I say pronounces it because he's obviously written it, he spelt it fanatically like Capitan. Anyway, Bob's Capitaine of getting annoyed. And he's got a tip. Have we ever had a tip before? I'm not sure. I like that as an idea. But thank you for the money.

A bit of fun. Bit of fun. Because I assume it's more like advice tip, but I'm just being cheeky. Well, like, I mean, this might have been before your time, but there was a classic pizza hut campaign in the 90s. And Dougie was the, and we've had a Dougie today. When we were talking about Dougie, when we were talking about Dougie.

Dougie the pizza boy. Because he'd, he delivered a pizza, maybe even to his own house. And the dad takes it. And Dougie goes, how's about a tip? And the dad goes, work hard and be good to your mother. A bit of fun. He misunderstood tip. Or did he?

Or did he? Exactly. Classic dad. Classic dad. My second favorite Pizza Hut, I dad, number one, of course, being the Pizza Hut dog, the pizza mutt. And it would deliver from the car to the house. I don't recall that one.

A little dog. I think a slice might have been missing. So someone else had to drive the car. But we're paying two employees. And then when you get your pizza, a dog has eaten this. So it's pretty gross. Yeah, that's not a great campaign. But I remember the pizza mark. I mean, you dog people would probably love it.

You're like, oh, I love it. I love it when I kiss my dog on the mouth. I like it when they're eating my foods. And strangers dogs are. Yeah. Oh. I love to share a sandwich with my dog. I was being hyperbolic.

We go bite for bite. But this is a stranger dog. This is the pizza mark. Oh, yuck. I watch at the pizza mutter on YouTube right now. Dave. Dave, come on, Dave, come back into the room with us, please.

Come on, mate. Come on, mate. Three loads of cheese. What's the tip? I also love dogs. The tip is... He hates dogs. I love dogs.

Okay, what's the tip? The tip is, I just heard the Abraham Lincoln episode, just felt changing bed sheets required a minimum of two people. While I don't like doing it alone, simply because I'm lazy, I was given this tip for the duvet cover part you may find useful.

What do they say duvet? That's English, isn't it? Yeah. It's very fancy sounding. Ooh, the duvet. Well, the duvet. Yeah, I'm thinking like frilly stuff. Yeah, yeah.

Duvet. Duvet. Oh, duvet. Duvet. Oh, duvet on. That could be our bedding spin-off. No, it's just, it's a pod we do from bed. Oh, my God.

We all get in one big bed. Yeah. But not in a weird way, just in a snuggily way. Yeah. Not a weird way. I'm not going pants on. Oh. All right, I guess.

Well, we've all got a big bed. either pants or tops on. Okay. Dave's Winnie the poo. Yeah. Anyway, Bob goes on. If not already inside out, hold the cover by the corners first from the open end and turn inside out. Still holding the corners, pick up the duvet with the corner in each hand.

This is, I think, did I give you this tip? This is how I do it, Bob. Keep going, almost. He's never made a bed in your life. I make, I'd make every bed overseas. I'll make it. I'll make it. I have to close my bedroom door when Matt comes out of.

Yeah, stop. Get out of there. Get out of it. It was already made. Visiting orphanages is a nightmare. Trying to think of a place with lots of beds. Hostels? Hostels, yeah.

Why? Just go straight to all. We watched Annie. We watched Annie recently for our movie club. There's so many places with lots of beds. Hospital would have been better. Hospital. Hotels.

Hotels. Forty winks. Exactly. Bed shop. Well, they're not normally. unmade beds, Dave. But you don't care of us unmade or made,

because they might have done it wrong. You have to redo it. Oh, yeah, I'll redo it, yeah. Sorry. Redu-do-ve-on. No, I need to hear this tip. This is changing my life. Okay.

Well, it's not changing mine because I know it already. It's weird that he hasn't credited me on it. All right, you're a big man. We get it. I change it for bed I see. Now, carefully keeping the corners of the duvet and cover together,

move them together to hold with one hand, and push the cover down the duvet to turn the right side out. The last bit, hold the two corners in two hands again and shake it to work the cover over the rest. Give it a flick. Then just do a little finagling to get the open end corners correct. Possibly shake again, then do up the opening. I've probably made it sound more complex slash stupid than it is, but it's made life that little bit easier for me. I think it sounds beautiful.

Sounds very nice. Also, be careful with the rest. As I know someone who broke their finger changing the mattress over. It's a dangerous world in here as well as out there. Oh, God, that would be such a bad day. Turning up to the ED, like, I'm so embarrassed. The worst thing is a Matt did it, you have to still be changing the hospital beds. Yeah.

With a broken finger. It's a nightmare. Bob signs off saying pip-pip and tuteloo. Thank you so much. That's a great tip, Bob. Thank you, Bob. I probably won't follow that advice. No, well, you don't need to.

You just have me over there. Yeah. That's why you come over on a weekly basis. That's true. Every Sunday and I just leave the fresh sheets sitting on the bed with the door slightly ajar. I can't afford for it every week. I lose Matt for about 10 minutes.

Oh my God. Justice has having me over. How nice. Sunday brunch. She said there's certainly nothing in it for her. Thank you, Bob. Next one comes from Nick Berderosa, aka the American Bandit Healer, with a question writing hair

How's that spell? I got to tell you when I started the word I thought it was going to be hay and then I realized it was here and I think I covered it quite nicely. Got away with it. Hair!

Hair in America. Or maybe I should do it in American England. Here in America. We are going crazy for the Australian phenomenon known as Bluey. Not sure if you are

We're in on the craze, but I wanted to ask which character you most identify with. Whoa. Also, if you have watched, what is your favorite character episode? Being a dad of two of myself, I am definitely a bandit. Okay, I can hear Dave typing, so he's currently Googling characters. Whoa, whoa, whoa, I love Bluey. I've seen them all. He is the best dad in TV history, and I've learned a lot from him. My favorite episode is Unicorce, which makes me.

me crack up every time. I have seen... I've seen a bit of bluey. Yeah. I couldn't tell you any episodes, but I've seen it. And I know Bandit is a voice by Custod frontman David McCormack. So I'm going to say... Bandit. Great. Because I love Custod. Banned and dessert. Good choice. Favorite episode, episode one.

I think I set a lot of it up. Yeah, good one. Often I say give a new show three episodes to let it sort of settle in. Didn't need to with blue. Perfect at number one. No, I've seen bits and pieces of blue. I haven't watched a lot of it, but, you know, I've got a niece who loves it. I've seen Christmas specials.

Yes. I identify with Bingo, who's a little sister. Oh, yeah. Bingo's really cute and I like Bingo and she's funny. Yeah, yeah. So there's that. Yeah, they're all really funny though, right? Like, it's a funny show.

but it's also like a nice show, but it's not corny, but it's, it is sentimental, but not to the point of it being yuck. But would you agree that bingo's really cute? Yeah. And would you agree that I'm really cute? Yeah. So. I'm so facto.

Need I say more. Dave, after your frantic Googling over there, have you got a really genuine authentic answer? I love Calypso. Oh, that's a great name. It was by Megan Washington. Yep. So I see I to be fair. Megan Washington.

Yeah. Meg does it some voices. To be. Meg. Hang on, Dave. Sorry, Dave. Jess just dropped in your, are you friends with Megan Washington? No, I think she just prefers to go by Meg.

Fair enough. A friend would know that. A friend would know. Are you a bit of, you kind of is. I've never met Megan Washington, but I would love to. Okay. I think she has a phenomenal voice. So cool.

Very talented musician. Her debut album blew my frickin' mind. Like a version was Santa Ria by Sublime? That's a good choice. One of my all-time faves. Basically, I'm sure that my world is about to become blue-y-centric. Oh, yeah. And my, I've got a 15-month-old, so it's not quite there yet.

It's this generation's wiggles, probably. So I just haven't never watched it because I assume that one day I'll watch all of us. You'll see all of it, and they're short episodes, so you'll see all of it multiple times. Yeah, but I hear it's one of the shows that kids and parents alike all in joy. So I'm looking forward to it. My best friend's kid is about to turn three, and she likes to request, A little bit of bluey is what she says. What's that like half an episode?

A little bit of blue. It's obviously because her parents have said you can watch a little bit of blueie. And then so now she goes, how about a little bit of bluey? It sounds like she's ordering, she's asking for crack pepper at a restaurant. A little bit. It's very funny. And she turns three this weekend and I have bought her multiple pairs of, like, items of clothing that have bluey on them.

Very good. She's going to lose her freaking mind. Christmas swim, I'm looking up. Christmas swim is an episode that I reckon was great. And Veranda Santa, just fun to say. Yeah. Veranda Santa. So if you haven't, you know, done yourself a favour, maybe check out a little bit of bluey.

A little bit of bluey. And I liked it. Apparently Disney, when they were getting the rights to it, they were pushing for it to be re-voiced. And the creator said, no, no deal. it's either take it as is without our original cast or no deal. And good, because we get so much American media and stuff like that. Why can't... Nice to give a little something back.

Give a little something back. I give a bloody great show back. Although we've been revoiced in the US. Yes? Yeah, yeah, of course. Obviously, so you're not hearing... If you're hearing this in the US, this is not my actual voice you're listening to. Yeah, I'm played by Matt Berry.

I just realized he said US that would be easy to get a British comedian I'm voiced by race Darby very confusing voiced by Claudia Carvin That's a great choice Great choice Yeah great choice

Yes Better enunciated than you I'm guessing Agreed What was Yeah what was the question was Yeah Yeah favorite blue character

and favourite bluey episodes. So I'll come back to you in the next couple of years. Nick, follow up. Nick is a prolific fact quota question writer. I'm literally there. He's got four more questions. Submissions. That's great.

Lined up. And there are six more submissions in the hat. Okay. That's a strong hit rate. There's a bunch of people in that level we never hear from. They have the right to ride in and they just, They wave that right. Yep.

Well, they don't, yeah. I don't know if they wave it. Maybe they just don't want it. That's waving it. All right. I couldn't think of it. They're not waving it. They're just opting out.

Maybe they're drowning. I could not think, I'm like, I'm going to counterpoint this. Could not think of one. Why do you have to fight Dave so much? Well, sometimes it's just for comedy. I just wish you two could get along. Well, you got a bit of comedy. You just sound like a fool.

The joke was on you. You're trying to make a joke? He said that it was on you. He said that and then took a smug little sip of his drink. Yeah, out of a little bamboo straw. I just stood up for you. Why do I bother? Thank you.

I loved it. But Nick, if you haven't, look up custard. Apartment. Classic pop rock song. What a riff. Dave, favorite custard song? Apartment. Fantastic.

I also like the new Matthews, great one. Yeah, great. What about funky again? Oh, yeah. More recent stuff. Yeah. Very good. Like, girls like that don't go for guys like us. Yeah.

In brackets. I want to see the fact. This time, it's serious. They say there's... All right, I will probably... Move on. Move on. But I want to just start singing custard.

Just, I want to put that on the record. Yeah. Thank you. They said there's two... My God, it's going to be hard to not do that. And we're back. He sang every single custard song, and he got it out of the system. So thank you very much to Nick and Bob for their facts, quotes and questions.

If you are on that level, please get them in. DM me on Patreon if you need the link. The next thing we'd like to do is shout out to a few of other fantastic supporters. Normally Jess comes up with a game based on the topic. Okay, how about, because obviously this is a pretty grim topic. But because didn't he have a couple of aliases that were like people, he went to school with. He did, he did at least two, where they figured out later,

the people he had no contact with it, just names, he's like. Is it? Because you just remember it. Yeah. They're locked in your head. You don't remember forever. So let's, um, let's just dox people we went to school with. Okay.

And, and straight up like, don't, don't pre-plan anybody. Just see what happens. Are we doxing? I don't know if we're doxing, are we? No, I'm just having a bit of fun. But we, if you're, if you're, no, I'm, I'm not. I'm just saying, do you want us to fully docks? Fully docks, name, address, and if you do know, if they've been married and changed their name, give us both.

Okay, great. And child's name. And any children they've got? Any children they have. And primary school, the children go to. Nothing weird. Nothing weird. Let's just fully docks of people we haven't seen for 20 plus years.

Love it. Or in Matt's case, 400 years. So that's the nickname we're giving to the people. It's just like their alias. Not their nickname. Sorry, yes. Did you listen to this? episode today?

Which episode? Did you think Robert Durs was giving himself nicknames? Such cool nicknames. This episode had some of the best names we've ever had. Oh, sure. So now we have to try and top it with just like dull people we went to school with. Okay. So how are we going to do this?

I guess we just do it one for one. Yeah. All right. I read out place and name. Jess does the pseudonym. Jess reads it out, Dave does the surname like that. What do you think? I do the pseudonym.

Yeah, you do. Alias. Did we listen to this episode? That sounds so good. All right. Okay. Oh my God. This has got to be one of the greatest place times I've ever heard.

And we... From Rancho Cucamonga in California in the United States. Thanks to Stephen Parrish. New alias, Trent Nut. Is that real? Trent Nut. Yes. We're not going to be able to top that.

Dave, you are laughing at a real person's name. We can't top nut. Trent. His mom's name was Pauline. Mail addressed to her said peanut. Oh my God. Fuck, that's awesome. We can't beat that.

I'm not laughing. I'm living. Trent, if you're listening, how are you, bud? I'm getting strength from Trent Nut. How's things? I had a crush on you in grade four. Oh, wow. And?

Short-lived. Reciprocated? Crush the nuts. Well, that's why I'm asking. Crush nuts. That's why I'm asking Trent. Let me know 20 years ago. 25 years ago, you had a short.

All right. Jess is going to read out. name now. Oh yes. Sorry, I went straight to Facebook to look up Trent, I hadn't thought about the long time. Next up, I would like to thank from Ringwood, Victoria. Neva is not just a planet in the Vulcan system. Well, that's an interesting name, but I think that your new name, your alias is Chloe Calange. Oh, Chloe Callange. Oh, Chloe Callange. Oh, shit. I haven't thought about Clover. That's, I, uh, like you said, emptied my mind. Empty your brain. See what comes. Great name. Chloe. That's a great name.

Dave, do you want to thank someone? I would like to thank from a location unknown to us, deeper than the fortress of the moles where you can only presume. And this is Dishingis. Yes, that was my little throat going, because I had that smug sip of juice before. I'm not sure that that would have picked up on. I know, but I couldn't not.

But we heard it. Yeah. I reckon I heard it through the cans. Yeah. I'm hoping you got picked up. Burp. It's Dishingis. Dishingis.

Dishingis. are now known as Richard Wexler. Oh. Really? God, that's a great name. Dick Wexler. Oh my God. I don't think we ever got on that as kids.

It's a bit funny. Dick Wexler. Dick Wexler. I'm Dick Plexed. Dick Wexed. No, yeah. Richard Wexler. Whatever.

He was a great drawerer. I haven't seen him since. 400 years. He went to a different high school, but he, yeah, he was a great drawer. Okay. And real tall. I wonder if he still is both of those things

No way to know I'd love to thank thank you so much to singus I also love to thank from Preston here in Melbourne, Victoria, Tia Evans,

holy shit, that's a great name. Okay, Tia Evans, um, uh, Shana Leia. Shana Leia.

What school? This is, no, don't say what school. Then you're getting into boxing territory. Shane a layer, you've got N, and Laya, are they all sex names? Leah are hardly no one. It was primary school, these are children.

It was L-E-Y-E-R, I think. No, I could be wrong. Anyway, I just popped into my head. I'm clearing my mind and just picturing... Clear it out. Pictureing school. Yeah. So thanks, Shana.

Hope you well. Next up, from Colorado Springs in Colorado, Carl. Habiger Carl Habiger, aka Darren Keyes. Oh, Darren Keyes. That's a name you could set your clock to. K-E-Y-S?

I don't want, Docs completely, but yes. Bloody hell. That's a good one. That's a good name. Good name, Darren. Haven't thought you about you in a while. Hope you going well.

All right. Dave, who are you thinking? I would like to thank from where are we up to? Bait Haven in New South Wales. Thank you to X. X Dylan and every letter is capitalized except the Y. X Dylan.

X Dylan, now known as Jinger Yap. Oh. That's a good. That's a fantastic name. It's such a great name. I think he, I think, yeah, he was maybe most famous at our school for, if I'm remembering, right, maybe he did, no, I can't. I mean, he's so handy to have in my thing that I do to get.

to sleep sometimes going through the alphabet going for first and second names with the same letter for Yingi Y is difficult is a slam dunk but it's also I've always just thought one of the great names yinjyap I think that's a great name so good burnt in your brain forever for reason yeah and if I can I'd love to thank oh from address unknown can only assume from deep within the fortress of the malls uh thank you so much to Lisa Walker uh now known as Sabine Slattery Sabine Slattery Wow, it's a great name The family had moved from Ireland

To Australia And then I think she went on to the US We are like we are surrounded by great names It sounds like it's been that way our whole lives Yeah, there's some great ones I think both of you are killing it I'm gonna try and dig deep for this Because it's just saying a lot about the diversity

Of Dave's school, you know what I mean Very boring names Diversity of names Yeah, pretty dull so far But okay, here we go All right Clowne Calantius, that's a good thing I've never come across that surname ever since.

That was nothing against those people. It's just purely against you. So next up and ultimately from Bromley in Great Britain, Scott Willis. Scott Willis, aka Carla Donnelly. Oh, I take everything back. I take everything back. That's a beauty. That was so bouncy.

I loved it. Yeah, that was nice. Carly Danali. Carly De Nala? That's good stuff. Is that right? Carly Donali. Carly.

No. Is Carly Denali? Darnala. Carly Danala. That's so good. Carly De Nala. I love that. No, other way around.

Oh, my gosh. It's Carla Danali. Can I? Oh, that's the best of the three options. Yeah, sorry. Yes. Carla Denali is sick. Holy shit.

Congratulations. So all concerned. All right. I'm fully blank in my mind now. Okay, here we go. Final name. From Victoria, British Columbia and Canada. Hello.

Thank you. To Connor Gleason. Okay. Githangeli, Ashok Kumar. What in the actual fuck? Kathangeli, I love that. No, shorten to Gee. She was real cool.

That's beautiful. She got to our school, like, I think in grade two or three. I'm like, someone about her, so cool. One of those effortlessly cool people? Yeah, 100%. Hit me giving that full name. Yeah. Githangeli, Ashok Kumar.

Oh, that's good. That is music. So good. So good. I hope none of those people. people minded us using their names, hopefully. No. I didn't make you uncomfortable in any way.

Well, I tell you what, I bet you none of them are listening to this. What are the chances? Based on their names, they're all doing some pretty important stuff. I imagine they're all, maybe someone will go in the NASA break room. They'll be like, I cannot believe it, but the whole team was referenced on this stupid podcast I was listening to get to sleep. Yeah, this stupid sleep podcast. I listen to dumb Australians. It soothes me.

Wow. Thank you, everybody. Thank you so much, everybody. And, yeah, that just leaves us with the Triptage Club. The last thing we need to do is welcome. I think we got one inductee this week. Dave, is so good at explaining what the Triptage Club's all about. Yes, Matt, this is our clubhouse, our Hall of Fame.

It's a bit of a theatre of the mind sort of stuff going on here where we welcome you into our space, our hangout zone, our restaurant, our club, our arcade. our dance floor, whatever you want it to be. It is that. These people that are being welcomed in this week, they've been supporting the show on the shatter level or above for three consecutive years. They've already had a shatter.

They've already had a name or whatever given to them a couple of years back, but now they've stayed true. We're putting them up on the honour board. And we welcome them in one by one. But first of all, Jess is in charge of catering. I actually misunderstood. Even though we've been doing this for quite some time.

Yes. I forgot to like make a dream. drink or a like a food special. I misunderstood. I've just actually put microphones in all the bathrooms. Okay. I misunderstood. So I was just going to record everybody pissing and money.

Bob, this is not. But I could have sworn that's what you asked. I didn't know that I was supposed to be coming up with like food or drinks or something. Oh my God. No, that is not. Dave. Oh my God. But have you come across any confessions just so you know?

Dave, I heard you before. Oh my God, please don't take me out of context. Baking, baking out some of the toilet. God, please make it stop. Please. Please, this hurts. This hurts. I know I asked for flow before, but not like this.

Oh, my God. Made some of this liquid to remain. Make it stop. I'm bleeding out of here. For example. For example, yeah. So, yeah. I could, I'll try and whip something out, but I'm underprepared.

Okay. No, I think that's a nice little addition. You've made to... Okay. You're not mad at me? No. Okay. No, no.

That's good. It's like good work from you. And Dave, did you book a band? Yes, you're never going to believe it. Obviously, I don't know what this topic was going to be because... Sorry, you pause so I could go, what? And I didn't. I'm sorry.

I didn't know that, yeah, Matt was going to do the topic on the famous Jinks. You never going to believe it because I just got an email this morning from the New York, I believe new metal band, Jinks. Y-N-X who are performing tonight. They've just said yes. Bloody hell, that's great. It's not jinx. That's massive.

So looking forward to a bit of New York Medal, and that's N-U-York Medal. Pretty good stuff. That is really good stuff, actually. So we've got one inducte. Inducte. Inducte, more like it. I was going to let it go.

I'm loving it. From now on, they're all inductees. And, yeah, so the way this works is I'm on the door. at the clipboard. Just one name on the list this week. It's a short guest list. But everyone who's already been inducted before, which I believe is something like 900 people,

they're all in there. They're chanting the name. They're parting it up. We're welcoming you in with open arms. Because once you arrive, you never had a leave book. What would you want to? We've got everything you need,

including mics in the toilets. Dave's on stage. He's ready to hop you up. And no one's listening. It won't be for years before anyone actually goes through all the family. I'm actually in the toilet on one of desist's microphones. Yeah. So obviously people hear this in a couple of years, but still.

Yeah. Oh, God. I'm ready. So Dave Pop, he really hipes up the inductees by doing a bit of, you know, the biggest gift he could give is weak wordplay based on either their name or address. He does a fantastic job. Oh, my God. I'm looking at the one and I'm not going to be able to pronounce this.

My guess is that is in Poland. Okay. That's a guess. It's a Polish name. All right. So, Dave, you ready? Absolutely. From Rizuska in Poland.

Please welcome in Sandra Anita. Look, I was just saying earlier that I need a something. And I, Anita Sandra Anita. That makes sense. That makes sense. You could have just stopped it. I need a need a Sandra. That's what you would normally do.

Yeah. Yeah, okay. Fine, whatever. Obviously, like the jinx. Sorry, I forgot to set up. Jess is always supporting data. Like the jinx, edit what I said to make it make more sense. Okay?

Welcome in Sandra. I need a something. I need a Sandra. Make yourself at home. Please enjoy the work of the jinx at the after party. Are they going to be fantastic? Huge. Well, that brings to Sunday episodes.

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