Do Go On - 518 - The Dewey Decimal System

Episode Date: September 24, 2025

This week, Josh Earl tells us the wild and troubling story of Melvil Dewey, the inventor of the Dewey Decimal System. This is a comedy/history podcast, the report begins at approximately 2:39 (though as always, we go off on tangents throughout the report).For all our important links: https://linktr.ee/dogoonpod Check out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Who Knew It with Matt Stewart: https://play.acast.com/s/who-knew-it-with-matt-stewart/Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasDo Go On acknowledges the traditional owners of the land we record on, the Wurundjeri people, in the Kulin nation. We pay our respects to elders, past and present.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Do go onpod.com. And soon we'll be in Hobart, Canber, Sydney, Adelaide, Perth, Auckland, Wellington and Brisbane. Can't wait. Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dev Wonki and as always, I'm here with Jess Perkins. Stop waving. You waved too long. I know, I waved that whole...

A wave should be short. Hello, wave hand down. Well, we've started putting out the full videos of this podcast on Patreon. So hello to those people watching. That's who I was waving to. Yeah, that feel good? That felt so good. Okay.

And this week, we wave hello to a very special guest. Returning guest, it's Josh Earl. Hello, Josh. Thank you. Fourth Times a charm. That's right. Now Dave's going for double wave. Both hands.

I can't help this guy. I like it. Wave the whole show, please. We need to give people a reason. to tune into the video I like the You like the wiggles up there I just need people to

yeah like the wiggles to know when my hands are at all time Oh yes Color and movement Keep the kids engaged Josh yes welcome back Thanks Great to have you in

Of course we've talked about The Malice of the Palace Yes we did We've talked about the band That never was Exploding Hearts Exploding Hearts We've talked about

The Blimp salesman Turned Backstreet Boy Banner I forgot about the blimp element Yes I feel like yeah You're covering all sorts of topics. Thank you, thank you.

Well, this is also a different topic as well from those ones. It's not sport, it's not music. It's something completely different. Okay. Which we're excited about it. So Matt is away on tour. He's currently in the UK doing some who knew with Matt Stewart and also his new stand-up show.

So that's a lot of fun. If that's still happening in September, you should be checking that out. I'm not sure when this one comes out. Yeah, I'm just having a look. He's probably back by now, actually. But it was the best tour of his life. Yeah, he said that.

He said, I'm having the best time. I don't want to come home. And we said, well, you have to. He's back by now. He just doesn't like me. We have this feud going. He said, I'm going to have another week off. Because he, I believe you two spoke about the topic, but Jess and I don't know what it is.

Yes. He came on and did my podcast, I'll be your biggest fan, where we talk about things you're a fan of. And this topic came up in that. And he said, that sounds like a good do-go on topic. And I said, well, you know, you've got my number, Matt. And so he booked me in when he's not here. That's right. That's right.

He said, can you come in this specific date? All right, great. I'm excited. Do you want me to explain how the show works for new listeners, perhaps? That'd be great, but you have to waive the whole time. Okay. So how this show works is, one of the three of us, I hate this. And I hate you. Keep waving. Research is a topic and brings it back to the others. Who don't, as we've described now, don't know what the topic is. And we always get onto the topic with a question. Josh, do you have a question for us? I do. Who, or whom, was the man who created order out of chaos.

Oh, before this, it was chaos. Order out of chaos. Oh, okay, okay. So there was chaos. It was chaos. And then they came in, very organized queen energy. Yep. Organized it up.

Yep. So they're a Virgo. Okay, famous Virgoes. We're going August 24 to September something. Okay. Now, who do I know that's born in that time? Actually, they're born in December. Damn!

That's one of my notes. Oh my God. Is it Jesus? It's Jesus. No, no. That would have been good, though. Imagine if I came in and did it. the history of Jesus Christ.

That was the Jesus you're talking, man. You also mentioned that your report today isn't super long, so it would be pretty funny that you're like, just a really quick summary of Jesus. Well, he's born, and then we miss 33 years of his life, and then we come back, yeah. There's a bit of action at the end,

and then he's done. For the viewers on Patreon, I'm wearing a bit of a hint, okay? I'm wearing a cardigan. So who generally wears cardigans? When you think cardigans, think stereotypical cardigan?

Old men. old ladies And they work at The supermarket Do you see people That's supermarket wearing cardigans? Not enough Not enough

Where do old people work Banks Think cardigan Wear a cardigan to work And no one's going to think Any differently of you The chemist Chemist Cardigan

No I don't think we're getting it Okay I'm going to talk No one more clue One more clue Because I'm loving this Match, I'm not wearing pearls.

If you wore pearls, cardigan, glasses, hair up in a bun. Oh. I hope it like the... It feels like a church. Headdresses. All right. Dave, think what, what did your mum do as a job? Library.

Library. There we go. Oh my gosh, yes. Yeah. So we're going to talk about Melville Dewey. Yeah. Whoa, really? We brought order to chaos.

The inventor of the Dewey Decimal Civil. I'm also quite proud I got librarian before Dave did. Yeah, that was good. On that clue about his own mother. Well, when I asked, what did your mum do for a job? He was like, look after me. He's like, I don't know. Mum is Mum.

Make dinner? Dave hasn't figured out his mum has a name. She doesn't have pearls on. Dave, what's your mum's name? Mum? Yeah. Mrs. Yeah, I don't know.

Mrs. Dad, I'm not sure. That's great. And this is come. So your podcast that you're talking about, I'll be your biggest fan. You talk about what you were a big. a big fan of in different decades of your life. Yeah. And I'm loving to know how that came up on the Matt Stewart story.

I think we taught, I think just working as a library, because I used to work as a school librarian. Yeah. But we'll get into that in the story. Okay, great. Not to put myself into the story. No, but you must. Yeah.

Of course. All right. So imagine a world, kids. You walk into a library. You want a book about dolphins. You don't know where they kept. So you have to ask the librarian. The gatekeepers.

And in the thousands of books they have, have, the librarian has to stop what they're doing. Remember where they put the book about dolphins? Is it with the animal books, the ocean books? Do they store it by size, by the colour of the spine, when it's published? Just absolute chaos. Wow. My dear friends.

There's no order. Chaos. I can't handle it. No. Well, things are about to change in the library. Well, thanks to a very odd little man called Melville Louis Kosuth Dewey. What? Melville, Louis, Kosuth, Dewey.

Yeah. What? Great name. Is his name a spell? It's a fact that he's got three of Scrooge McDuck's nephew for his name. Yeah, just, just to hear it. Now, okay, so I picked this because, yes, I was a librarian. I was a, I worked in a library.

I've got to be careful saying I was a librarian, even though I was doing the role of a librarian, but I didn't study to be a librarian. I studied to be a teacher. But in the years 2004 to 2009, I worked at Collingwood College School Library. And for a time that I knew the Dewey Decimal System, pretty much off by heart. Whoa. Yeah. I don't know that anymore.

But I still remember there's things like Scandinavian Black Metal, the call number, the little Dewey number, 781.66. The call number of the beast. That is great. Historical geography, 9-1-1, never forget. And then, because it was a school, like, so it was like prep to year 12, so I'd quite, quite often see like year 7, 8, 9 boys hanging around 613.96, which was sexual technique. Sexual technique. Yeah, 613.96.

And I was like, buddy, flip those 9-6s around. Come on. Yeah. So my role there was I would read a kids. There was two librarians, me and a woman called Elena, who's the best. And I sometimes was in charge of if we close the library at lunch, putting up the library's close sign. Great.

And that was a big responsibility. Very important job. But I would do it in a fun way. So this is, you know, this is 2004. So Snoop Dogg is in the charts. And so I would put up, Lebrizzle is close to Zizzle and just go, yeah, it's fun. And then other times I put up, so it looked like it was an I chart. And if the kids looked at it close enough, it was like, it spelled out, libraries closed today.

And then another one I did was I wrote a haiku. It was like, the library is closed today. Sorry for the inconvenience. All the syllables are there. And then for the, I'd put a definition of what a haiku is. underneath. And then for the kids who, I just put a picture of kittens underneath if they didn't want to, you know. And so I was a good librarian. I was a good librarian. I got kids excited about reading, but I also had a bit of fun. I was like 23, 24. And in the library is also where

we kept all the AV equipment. And so there was a portable speaker and microphone. And sometimes I would just walk around the library yelling at kids through the microphone to be quiet. It was like, I'm just going to try and make it fun. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then there was another kid. So this was 2004 to the 9, it was the era of, like, the Harry Potter books being released. Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah. Huge.

So pretty much my job was walking kids to where we kept the Harry Potter books. And they'd look at it and go, I've read all those. I'm like, there's no other ones. I'm sorry. When's the new one coming out? Yeah. Been two years. August 31st is when they would come out.

Yeah. All right. So, Melbourne Jewie. Okay. So he's born in 1851 in upstate New York. It's known as the burnedover district. for the regions obsessed with evangelicals. Okay.

So they had Mormons, Shakers, Milorites, and the Seventh-day Adventists. I'd never heard of the Milorites before. They predicted the second coming of Christ would happen in 1843 or 1844. And when it didn't happen, it ushered in what they called the Great Disappointment. Like, no, he's coming, guys. 1843, 1844, and then everyone says, look at the clock going, it's his birthday in 1844 right now he's not getting down to new year's evening like all right we've got 10 seconds come on come on uh great disappointment the great disappointment forever after

yeah yeah they're in a constant state of mourning also the onida community was there as well and they wanted to create a perfect christian community and so they uh believe that men should have multiple wives but also men should have sex without climaxing Agreed That'll do Thanks, Dahl I'm good That also partake in selective breeding

and try and create the perfect human being Okay Yeah, so a bit kooky So this was founded by a guy called John Humphrey Noise He believed that Jesus had already returned to Earth And they Christian should achieve spiritual perfection and live without sin on earth and they shared property.

So it was a bit of a commune. They shared property, resources, labour, and they lived as one large family. And they ended up creating very good silverware company and the Oneida silverware company. You can still get their spoons. Have we talked about this? That's why it has done a report on them.

So many years ago, all I remember is that the title of the episode is Oneida from Sex Colt to Dinnerware. Yeah. And I did dinnerware. This was a live episode. Yep. I was so confused because I thought dinnerware was like tuxedos. And the whole room was like, you were a fucking idiot.

Tuxedo and a bib. Yeah. I remember the feeling it was so bad. I remember it so clearly because it was maybe the only time in our 10 years that I felt smarter than me. Because I clocked straight away that you were thinking dinnerware and I remember just biting my tongue and it came back later and I just fucking got you. And I was like, this is probably the peak of my life. life. Is that I was...

Dinnerware. You put on an ice thing and you're up for dinner. Oh my God. Because one thing that Anida community did, they had like communal criticisms. So they'd all get together and everyone would have to criticise someone in the group so they could grow and get better.

So like a roast. Yes. It sounds worse. But Mr. Noyes, John Noyes was also part of it and everyone was too frightened to criticise. Because he's like, even though it's a commune and everyone was meant to be equal,

he's clearly the boss of this. No one ever had anything bad to say about it. Yeah, it was just that thing and go, oh, well, your hair looked better on Tuesday than I did today. No, sorry, no offence. No, gosh, don't keep me out, don't keep me out. I hate, I would hate that. I would hate that so, I don't want to grow from your criticism. No, I'd love to.

In your head. I'd love to dish it, but I would not want to take it. No. I'd love to go. You'd love to dish? Oh, I've got some of you, here we go. All right, Max, you little piece of shit. You smell terrible.

So, also, so we've got all that happening. And also, it was the home of the women's rights movement, the suffragettes. so in this area in upstate New York. This is a crazy area. Yeah, all happening at once. There's a lot going on. A lot of melting. So as a child, Melville Jew is growing up in this environment where surely he's growing up

in an area where you believe, oh, I can, you can actually change the way people think. You can change the world. I'm seeing that people are changing other people's viewpoint, so I can be a part of that. Now, his parents, John Eliza, they were cobblers, owned a shoe shop. And apparently, this is according to local reports, they were the hardest working people in town. and they showed very little affection to their son Melville. Okay, no time for him all about the shoe. Yeah, so no affection, and this may foreshadow some traits for Melvin later on in the story.

Okay. Now, I'm going to tread very lightly here because I'm not a psychologist and I'm not a doctor. But I am, so I'm going to really fucking get in there. So I don't want to diagnose someone based purely on just the evidence I have. But he was somewhat obsessive, a young Melville. His auntie told stories of him as a young boy being diligent in all. organizing his mum's pantry and made sure all her herbs and spices were an alphabetical order. Okay.

Yeah. I'll tell you that the herbs and spices at my place are an alphabetical order. Oh, really? It has nothing to do with me. But I'm very careful. Pick up the cumin. Okay. Put it back.

Put it back. Put it back. Yeah. We started doing that, but ours are above the range hood. And so we can't really reach the ones on the top shelf. So the ones on the bottom shelf, we can reach all those. So that's where we put all our common herbs and spices. Mustard seeds.

Oh, whatever. We don't need that. Chinese five spice up top. Not using that. All right. So Melville was also obsessed with the number 10. Okay. Obsessed with the number 10.

He was born on December 10. So is it decent? Deck, that means 10 as well. So even though it's a 12 month. It means 10. At school, he learned about the metric system. Because in America, they don't use the metric system. Crazy.

Idiots. But he was obsessed. with it. And then he discovered that the French National Assembly adopted the metric system exactly 52 years before he was born. December 10, wherever like 18 or 1799, whatever it was when he was born. And a factor of 10, 5 and 2. He was finding 10 everywhere. He loves the number 10. Okay. As adolescent, he wrote papers on the metric system and he said, it's great superiority. This is his high school essay over all others, consistent. in the fact that all its scales are purely decimal.

He loved decimals back then. He also made sure he slept 10 hours a night. I'm not... I'm not a dream. 10 hours? Yes, please. Yeah. I would kill for 10 hours.

So that means you go to bed at 10, wake up at 8. Whoa. I mean, this is before TV. And like a sleep that whole time, though. I often go to bed at 10 and get up at 8, but I'm not asleep that whole time. And I'm not sure I have. my husband doesn't climax.

That's a full-time job. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What are you doing? Stop. What are you doing over there? Stop. Stop. Stop.

Stop right there. Over there. So he's not with you. He's just on his own. He's just in the corner. He's been. Yeah, yeah. Exactly.

He's shaking. Stop, stop, stop. Don't shake you too hard. He's like, I'm asleep. Oh, yeah, as I'll say. I don't know what you're dreaming about. Do I regret that joke? Yeah.

Yeah, I do. Apparently, he walked 10 miles to buy his first dictionary with the money he got from his parents for organizing the pantry. There was a bookshop closer, but he had to go to the one that was 10 miles away. Yeah. So books and the number 10 decimals. It's all coming together. He loves it. So maybe a cookie kit.

Sounds to me, as a psychologist and doctor, sounds to me like a Sagittarius. I had to Google. December star signs. I'm not, I don't know. Sounds to me like a 10 out of 10. Well, other psychologists and doctors believe he suffered from OCPD, which is different to the more well-known OCD. What's the P? Personality. So, obsessive, compulsive personality disorder.

Sorry, I said personality and really pop that mic there. Sorry, sorry, listeners. Obsessive compulsive personality. Yeah. So OCD, they're overcome with their obsessions that it kind of leaves them paralyzed. Like, they can't, they're debilitated by their internal struggles. So it might be cleanliness or sounds or feel. They're like, it's got to be perfect, otherwise I can't do it.

Whereas OCPD, people who have this trait, they become energised trying to fix it. So instead of retreating, they're like, no, I'm going to fix this. I'm going to see the world like this and I'm going to try and fix it. So famously, Steve Jobs was someone with OCPD. So he was completely obsessed with neatness. There's a story of the first Apple factory floor. He got white gloves on and when his finger on the floor and it came up clean and he was so happy about that.

yeah but also like people he demanded excellence the whole time and in Apple I don't know if you ever have you done Apple as a car

I think you know the other Steve Jobs would be a good story and Apple yeah well apparently people were scared to ride in the lift with him

because he would try and start up to confess you could get fired by the end of the lift ride right because he might

ask you a question you might have the answer to like when he had like cancer he was on a like oxygen mask thing

and he hated the design so much he took it off and man of the doctors come up with a new design for oxygen masks. Wow. He's like, give me five different designs.

This is what you should be doing. So, um, I don't work for you. Yeah. I'm saving your life. I'm an oncologist. I don't design masks. Yeah. I've got other shit to do.

I've got other patients. He's like, no. I'm a billionaire. You need to do what I say. Yeah. So, uh, Melwood Dewey, let's say OCPD. So I had a bit of issue getting on with people. but demanded, like, excellence and wanted to change things.

So 1868, January 29, 16-year-old Melville Dewey is attending class at Hungerford Collegiate Institute, which is a college prep school, and a fire broke out in the building. And instead of just running out of the building, Melville Dewey ran to get all the books he could and carried them out. And the fire got worse, and he watched it from outside, and he was so close that the exposure and smoking inhalation resulted in a bad cough. and he was bedridden for months, and the doctors actually thought he might die.

Wow. Yeah, because he loved the books so much. He wanted to save them. But he says, I got the books. Yeah. I got the words. I got the pages. Yeah.

But that near-death experience left him obsessed with something else, which was efficiency, because he realized life is short. True. Don't waste time. Especially back then, the books he wanted all over the place. Oh, yeah, because otherwise he would have gone and go,

where's that perfect book on this? Where's this? But he'd known where they were. Yeah. So, once he recovers, he finishes high school. He does a semester at one college and then transfers to Amherst College, where he joins the library staff there as a student, and he's shocked at how disorganized it all is. So he asks, as a student, can he combine his two favorite things, which is letters and numbers,

like a panel show on SBS, host by Michael Hing. So he pitches the idea, say, I have an idea on how we can order these books. And so he comes up, this is as a student, the Jewish. decimal system. And it's simply giving every subject a number and then within that subject have subsections and you can assign a decimal to it. So it breaks down. So the first, so 0-00-2-099 is generality. So things like knowledge, books, bibliographies, stuff that doesn't really have a home, kind of can go there. Then we go 100 is philosophy and psychology, go all the way up. Then we go religion is 200s. 300 is social sciences. Four-hundreds is language.

language, 500 is natural sciences, maths, 600 is technology and applied sciences, 700 is the arts, 800 literature and rhetoric, so literature like fiction is 8-2-1, and 900s is geography and history. So he goes through that and goes there. And I used to remember it in like, say an alien comes to Earth and they want to know about the world. They go, okay, the first one, and then they go, okay, what do you believe in? Like, who are you? What do you believe in? What's going on here, what language do you speak, what is all this going around me? Okay, what, and you just kind of go that way, yeah. Okay.

Yeah. But there are people these days saying it is very, uh, white. It's very, they can tell it's been, uh, created by a white Christian man. Mm. Because in religion, um, it's, so Ruehlin is 200 to 299, the first 90 are just Christianity. And then all the rest can got to fit in the last. And others, I guess. Yeah.

And then a bunch of like sciences and then women's health is like a small little number. And it is that thing like, even though you've got the decimal points to put it in, you don't want to have like 636.99971. Otherwise, you can't. It's so hard to find. So yeah, anyway. So he copyrights this in 1876. So he's at that point, he's 25.

And he's just created his greatest work. 150 countries use this. 90% of libraries use the Dewey Decimal system. Wow. And so he becomes his to big time in libraries. So it's adopted, it's adopted quickly. It spreads quick, yeah. Wow, that's cool.

Yeah. And so now they've got this system, the libraries are streamlined. He walks into every library with a pair of white gloves. Yeah, it goes over the books. He goes to the women's health section. He goes, wow, did this need to be here? This is a bit big. So like a pop star who's written their big hit and then trying to follow it up.

He does try and follow up with other. stuff. Try to categorise and order other things. Yeah, so he's fixed libraries. So the next thing he wants to work on is the English language and spelling, and he wants that to be more efficient. So he was constantly annoyed by extra letters in words. He would love texting.

Yeah. He would love. But my thing, like, you up. He would love it. As a librarian, you think silent letters would be his big thing. Silent, I love, I love a quiet place. Even his own name annoyed him. So his name was spelled M-E-L-V-I-W-W.

L-L-E, space, D-E-W-E-Y. So he shortened it to M-E-L-V-I-L-D-U-I-D-U-I-D-E-E-E. Yep. Malville-D-E-E. Yeah. So in 1886, he founded the Spelling Reform Association and then was a member of the American Simplified Spelling Board, whose first call of business was trying to get rid of E-D on the end of words and replaced with T.

Oh, like learned and learnt. Yeah, dreamed and dreamt. Oh, because I always get a bit confused on those. Yeah, he was like, just make a T. That's how we say it. Yeah. He also wanted to change his S's to Zs, which Americans do. And he also wanted them to get rid of the letter U.

Oh, like color. Yes, the parsley of the alphabet is what I called it. A neighbor. Yeah. That's another one. Yep. So President Roosevelt was a fan of this reform. and it went all, he said,

yep, let's do it. So it went all the way to the top. To the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court, though. To the top top. What? Yeah.

And but then what happened was newspapers were ridiculing it. And back in England, they were like, never you heard what these crazy yanks are doing? And so then the Supreme Court was like, we can't pass this. Like, yeah.

And Roosevelt was like, I wanted to find it, but the one word I knew we were lost it was the word through. So he wanted to spell it like T-H-H-R. Are you? Yeah. He'd love texting.

Yeah. And he's like, that's not through. That's thrah. And they're like, as soon as we... That's the point where he's like, no, we've got too far here. That's thra. Yeah. Because you go, surely it's double O through.

Yeah, but he went thra. Thra. Thra. Yeah. And anyway, Roosevelt then was like, I can't fight this. This is just a hill I'm going to die on. I'm sorry. Yeah.

Wow. So, yeah, they change some words, though. But yeah, so back to Mel. So he, now with all his fame in the libraries, he got a job in Boston. But he didn't want to leave Amherst, and he wasn't happy to believe him. So he wrote him a letter. And Jess, can I get you to read out just the big bold thing here? And if you want to hold it up to the camera for the people, because this is how he spelled it and how he read it.

Someday, S-U-M, dear Amherst, may it be my happy lot to prove how great is the love I bear you. proud always everywhere to be counted among your sons I am very truly Melville Dewey That tested my brain Yeah it does doesn't so Prove is spelled PRUV That's Prav I-Z, that's fine Bear, he spelled it like the animal Which is like, that's even harder

That's confusing But you is spelled you, why you? You've lost one letter I don't think it's that efficient I can drop another one off there and make it you Fuck, the letter you Good point. Great point. Great point. Yeah. Yep. And your sons, with the Z, which kind of looks like Sons.

Yeah. And proud of ways, Everware. Everware. Yeah, Everware. Yeah, I don't like that. Everywhere. Everywhere. It's like, you need the wire in there, don't you? Everware. Everywhere. So he left. He didn't want to leave. His heart was in Amherst. But he went to Boston. And that's where he met his wife, Annie Godfrey, who was a former librarian at Wesley College. And they had one son. So her name was Annie Godfrey. They named their son Godfrey as a tribute to her final.

Right, but did they re-spell it? No, it's spelled G-O-D-F-R-E-Y. What are you doing, man? I mean, you've got to talk the talk and walk for the walk here. Yeah, hypocrite. God-Free. That's God-Fray. God-Fray, yeah.

In Boston, he started a company that sold library supplies. He invented the hanging vertical file. Wow. Yeah, he's really changing the game. Is that still used in libraries to this? I'm not sure, but he also invented the one uniform-sized library card. That all libraries use It's always the same size card

Same size card And so, which I don't know If they have the card system anymore I think everything's digitised But yeah Like not having the same card in the one library He's crazy It's like I'll just put it on a piece of paper

And put it in there Yeah You go let's get some order That's too messy Yeah Yeah But I'm starting to think I should work in a library

Can I say It's a very good job It sounds great And look I know that they're changing But they're not going anywhere Yeah They're an important part of a community.

They really are. Yeah. And it'd be quiet and like an organise things. Because when Rem and Barry, like, this is in Melbourne, so 1856, he was like, no, we need a library because we need to have an educator society. And so they had the library. And he was like buying up books and all this kind of stuff. But it was like a non-borrowing library so everyone could just come there and people like, go, no, it's crazy. And he goes, no, I want education for the masses.

It shouldn't just be an elitist thing. And, I mean, Reverend Barry had a lot of bad traits about him, but that was one of the good things. And he also, he was like, no, put the library here and put the, because Melbourne uni, he was a fair way away from it. And I was like, that's crazy. Put it right next to it. He goes, no, no, like Melbourne's going to grow as a city.

That won't be a big thing in the many years to come. Anyway, I could talk about Reverend Barry another time. Great. Yeah, he was the judge who hanged Ned Kelly. Huh. Yep. All right. So, in Boston, though, he organized the first.

library convention called the Centennial International Exhibition in 1876 and did it in Philly. And then he also started the American Library Association, the ALA, and helped found the American Library Journal. So he was big on just getting these groups of people together. But he wanted to get back to New York. New York, that's where he loved New York. So in 1883, he got a job as a librarian at Columbia University. And there he founded the School of Library Economy, so people come study to be a librarian

and encourage women to apply. That's good. Well, it might be our first red flag. Okay, he encouraged women to apply. Really wanted women to apply. Not only apply, but to study, but also with their application, they had to send a photo of what they look like, because in his words, you can't polish a pumpkin.

That's how I got the job on do-go-on. Polished a pumpkin? I sent in a picture. Yeah, we went through thousands of applications. There is no evidence of this, but people were saying he also wanted bus sizes, But there's nothing on the, but if you look at the photos, I'm not, they're all, they all shared a common trait.

Okay. Okay. Also, just go back to can't polish a pumpkin. Yes. You can polish a pumpkin. Yeah. Of all the vegetables. Yeah, that's the most polishable.

I would say, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the shiny skin you can get. Exactly. That's what I was thinking. Get a Mr. Sheen on that. You could polish a pumpkin. Yeah. There's so many of them that you can't polish.

Yeah. You can't polish a turnip. Polish is sweet. Good luck. A carrot? Could you polish a carrot? Yeah, maybe. Send in, listeners.

Yeah. What could you polish? What's the hardest one to polish? The hardest vegetable to polish. It could be like something soft, you know? Or like it has a very porous outside or something. You know? Yeah.

Like a bulb or like an onion or something. Yeah. Yeah, you couldn't polish it. Can you polish an onion? A pea. P could be polished. Anyway, I digress. Because he hit a speed bump with our plighton.

application process because the University of Columbia believed that a person's appearance no, sorry, that's what they should have believed that a person's appearance shouldn't be into it. But no, they didn't want women at the university. Oh, right. Okay. So a year into the job, he left Albany, New York and tried to bring his 17 female librarians with him. Oh, he's studying a cult. Well, he came from, he came from that area. This is how we do it back where I'm from. Yeah. So a lot of the women went to the university. to help to set it up as the library school. So for the next 20 years, he expanded and modernised the state library.

Governor Teddy Roosevelt called it an inspiration to intellectual life throughout the state. And as state librarian, until 1906, he created the first library for the blind, the first travelling library, which is an amazing thing. So you could actually go to town, town, going these are the books coming in, you can learn stuff. And they still have those widely across country, Victorian stuff. Yeah. The first interlibrary loan program, so libraries could lend. books to each other.

That's smart. Yep. And also the first children's library. Wow. Yeah. Okay, these are all good things. Good things. Great things.

Great things. But I feel like you said first red flag earlier. Yeah, okay. I've been a bit stuck on the bus size thing and I was like, I was trying to, I was trying to figure out the joke of like they all had to be a 10 something. Oh, that's where I've been for the last couple of minutes. Dewey decimal is D, double D. Yeah. Yeah, 10 double D.

All right, so, okay, but what's happening, though, is his colleagues were saying he had a very unpredictable and demanding behavior. And the Brooklyn Daily Eagle, which was a newspaper at the time, reported in 1890 that his personality often put him on the defensive with many state offices. And he would not hesitate to dock people's pay, half a day's pay if they arrive just five minutes late. Oh, man, I'm never getting paid again. half a day half a day for five minutes like yeah um yeah he really like you're saying about like jobs he really demands excellent sense and expects others to have the same sort of obsession with with his passion as he does

that must be like it obviously he's very productive yeah like he's getting a lot of stuff done he's doing a lot of good and it's it's obviously a real passion and an obsession for him but it must also be very frustrating because other people aren't up to your standards. Yeah, they don't care as much. You see this in sport a lot. Like the Michael Jordan documentary of The Last Dance, he's crying at the end

going, yeah, I was hard on people, but I won them championships. And if that's, I'm sorry, but I did what we all, I thought we all wanted to do this. Yeah, yeah. There's a great basketball player, not all not great, but a guy called Rick Barry. And he was a great player,

but he would shoot underarm from the foul line because it was more efficient. like it's actually a better like you lob it up higher so right and you make more make more and people don't do it because it was nicknamed the granny shot yeah people don't have to it just because it's embarrassing yeah it looks it looks embarrassing but he was like I don't care what it looks like if we win yeah yeah so will Chamber who at the time was the greatest player in the league uh terrible foul shot uh terrible shooting foul shots and so the whole thing was just foul him get him on the line because

he was like seven foot three in a league where the average height was like six foot He's this dominant player who was just unstoppable. So they'll just fail him and then he'll miss and then we'll get the ball. And Rick Barry kept on saying to him, shoot underhand. What are you doing? And he refused because of the like, he didn't want to be teased. Then one year, the games weren't televised. He shot underhand because only the people in the crowd were watching.

He got the best percentage of his career that year. The next year, the league is televised again. He went back to shooting normally. But they, because I think it's a, like, they thought it was a, like a, a masculating thing. But now, but then women don't do it either. So it's not, it's just pride. You just look a bit funny. Yeah.

Yeah, you look silly. Yeah. So, so what's more important? Yeah. Your ego or the result. Yeah. That's crazy. So I need to ask how Michael Jordan shot from the, he shot very well, but he was.

He didn't do the underarm because it was so efficient. No, no, you think he would. But he was very good at. doing it anyway. Yeah, if you're getting it anyway, you're like, oh well. Yeah. But if you're really bad at him. There was another guy played, I'm sorry I've talked about basketball, but Muhammad

Abdul Abdul, who had Tourette's and his Tourette's manifest in a way that he had to, before he left training, hit like a hundred shots from the foul in a row, but not just hit the shots. They had to make the right noise. Oh, my God. And so if they went in and didn't make the right noise, he was like, no, we're starting again. And he'd just sit there and shoot and shoot and shoot.

Oh, wow. And did that mean that when it came to game time, he was an incredible shot? He was an amazing shot. So he started in the league under the name Chris Jackson, then changed because he turned to Islam and changed it to Mahmah Abdul Rolf. And he was like played for, I think at the time, Denver. And there's a game where he towers up Michael Jordan. It is like incredible to watch.

Just this guy. And it's a thing of two people who obsessive personalities, probably OCPD, just going at each other, just going, I'm not going to let you beat me. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, Melville Dewey, I'm not sure what his basketball game was like. I reckon pretty good. Pretty good. Yeah.

With the name like Melville Dewey. He's nicknamed the Quiet Assassin. He was riding very high, okay? A bit of a mover and shaking him. And so in 1895, he founded the Lake Placid Club, which was a health resort in upstate New York, a country club, if you will, although this is where a very selective application process. Ten double D.

No black people. No Jewish people And out of fear The Jewish people Even getting anywhere near the club Melville made sure He bought the land around it So they couldn't buy it

And get close Oh Okay Yeah Now this is where the power starts going to his head So he's in charge of this club And he charge members Ten dollars annual fee

Ten dollars of course Yep Yeah people are like We're running this at a loss We need 12 at least To break even No, no, it has to be 10. Lifetime memberships were $1,000, which is 10 to the power 3, which is crazy.

You're going to think that, yeah, I'll live for an extra 100 years. That's right. To make it worth it, you have to live 101 years. Lights had to be turned off at exactly 10pm. Oh my God. Melville. And that was the same time that the overnight train from the club left for Manhattan. So if you wanted to leave, you left at 10.

And so not only did he love the 10, he also was bringing. in his stupid fucking spelling. And so this was the menu. I'll get you to read out this one, Dave. Just the big old. Okay, we've got here on the menu. Haddock. Pottered beef with noodles.

No, he and noodles. Parsley. P-A-R-S-L-I. Or mashed potato. Mashed with a tea. Butter? This is a good one. B-U-T-R.

Steamed rice. R-W-E-E. Yes. Lettis. Yeah, lettuce is good. Lettis. And, man, what is this supposed to be? Exactly.

Wise cream? It's ice cream. Ice cream is spelled YS? Yeah. So Haddock, pottered beef with noodles, parsley or mashed potato, butter, steamed rice, lettuce and ice cream. But it's actually wise cream. Then it kind of annoys me that cream is perfect. I know.

With it. Yeah. Cream. That annoys me. I don't know why. Yeah, that's right. I don't know, double E, what are the E, E, I don't know. Double EM would be cream if you want to do it phonetically.

Wow. But what, Y, S, for ice, no. Yeah. I mean, look at you the many of them. I'm a big fan. Of course you are. Dave has the most basic bitch taste buds. Yeah.

Haddock, that's all right. You're going to have a really good time in a retirement home, I think. What will we all be like mushy and all custard again? yes please my kids were laughing because we drove past one of those villages and it was like from 50 onwards you can go and I'm 44 and like it's like you're six years away from living where dad you're really not far off I know yeah which is too young for a retirement village yeah yeah it's we were on a walk recently it's sort of in our neighborhood but ended up down a side street we hadn't been down before and we're wandering along and came across this really nice

apartment buildings with like a lovely sort of garden in the middle and it had a little cafe and we're like, this is gorgeous. I'm like, could we, you know, maybe we could buy here. And I could see that there was a, like, the office of the building. So I googled it and it was a 55 plus community. And I was like, okay, okay, 20 years. I used to laugh. When I first moved to, the Croxton, which is a venue, was 28 plus.

28, which I always would find so, like, who, like, 28 is such a weird year. So specific. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got reminded. minded of a Facebook status I did on my 21st birthday recently and it said just turned 21 I can now legally drink in every country and only seven more years to the over 28 clubs

I had no recollection of a 28 club how weird I don't know there was one out in Doncaster too oh that does actually vaguely remember I remember them being like 30 plus or maybe over 35 it's never 28 35 that's so gun I kind of like

35 makes sense I remember as a kid there was a 35 plus basketball league that my dad played in and me and my brothers would go there and laugh so much at these old men playing basketball. I'm like, they're only 35. I know, whoa, whoa, whoa, that's a bit young. Yeah. I was looking around recently because I'd like to get back into basketball

and I was looking around at local clubs if they had women's, you know, as seniors teams and one of the best ones I came across were, they were 40 plus. They trained for the Masters games and they have 70 plus teams and I was like, give me five more years and I'm in. There's walking basketball. Yes.

Which is you're not allowed to run. You're just going to walk. They'll call it though. Yeah. It's not fair. So you just walk and pass the ball around and get open shots. I'm not quite there. Yeah.

I think I could still run, but I love that in my future. Isn't it? Yeah. So good. I can predict some underarm free throws. Oh, and the team was called myths and legends. That's great. And their uniform rules.

So I'm very excited to get to 40 and join. See you on the court. I'm slightly too young now. but too old for every other team. So Melville, he's a moving shaker, getting things done. Also, Lake Placid was the home of the 1932 Winter Olympics, the first time it had been held out of Europe, and he was instrumental in getting it there.

Really? Oh, he wanted to get it over. Yeah, his son was really into winter sports. And so he was like, he wasn't competing, Godfrey, but he was like, yeah. I just loved to spectate. Yeah. Wow. All right.

this is happening and behind the scenes rumors of Melville he was a handsy he was a handsy man I see all 10 fingers just did the action and he had an obsession

with hugging and kissing women yeah hugging and kissing don't we all the huggin and the kissing and according to many eyewitnesses he repeatedly subjected his personal assistance Florence Woodworth and May Seymour

both students of his at Columbia to surprise squeezes. Oh, that sounds awful. No, thank you. I like a scheduled squeeze. Yeah, 905. Now, they both lived in his home, and they didn't register any formal plates,

but people who worked to him went, hey, that's not okay. That's not right. Yeah. Yeah. her visit to Albany in 9 and 05. Like, do you know how bad of a,

like a lech and kind of hands you do? You have to be for people in 9-105 to go, hey, that's too much. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's got to be pretty bad. Yuck. But this is the thing,

because he was doing stuff and he was a powerful man, people kind of excused his, like, eccentric behaviour. That's what they call eccentric behaviour. Yeah. I know, he's not a crepe, he's eccentric. It's not a criminal act.

No, he's a character. Yeah, a more efficient way to say, is it assault. Yeah. How would he spell that, though? KWK. But he, Melville didn't say he was doing anything wrong, and he had to go to court for this, and he said, I have been very unconventional, as men are, but always who, as men, always who frankly show and speak of their liking for women, but pure women understand my ways. Pure women.

Oh. So he's victim blaming? Yeah. Yeah, but just being like... He's saying if you've got a problem with it, that's on you. But if you're an actual woman, you know that men are going to... A real woman gets it. Surprise squeeze.

Yeah, if anything, real women, pure women, love it. They love my surprise squeezes. All right. So in 9-105, there was a library conference in Alaska. And it was 10 days. And he had four different women come out and say that he was inappropriate with them. In 10 days. 10 days.

Yeah, 10 days, of course. So that's why he went on the trip. Oh, yeah. 10 days. And he was like, only four. Yeah, only four. Yeah. So, so there were more.

Yeah. So as a result of that, though, the association, which is an association that he founded, and he was the number one member of the American Library Association for 20 years, they were like, nah, you're gone. Wow. Melville Dewey, you are out of here. And the president, Mary White Plummer, who had been a student of his, vowed to, she will never be in the profession as long as he's here.

Wow. Like you say, you have to back then, especially with the power that he's got, being the founder, the number one. Yes. How bad do you have to be acting for everyone to agree? He can't be. We don't listen to women now. Yeah.

This is so long ago. He must have been just disgusting for so many people to be like, you cannot be in this position. Yeah, I can't work with that. That's horrific. Yeah. So Tessa Kelso, who was also the head. of the Los Angeles Public Library

Notary, as she goes, for many years, women librarians have been the special prayer of Mr. Dewey in a series of outrages upon decency. And he had to settle out of court. It was a $2,000 sexual harassment settlement, and that's in 1922, I think it was.

So what's inflation on that? That would be a lot of money. A lot, yeah. Yeah. So his first, this is all while he was married, his first wife died in 1922. He remarried straight away. And then he moved down to the second Lake Placid

that he'd set up, which was in Florida. And on December 26, he had a stroke and died. And so therefore he missed out on seeing the Winter Olympics that he helped bring across by three months. Oh, he didn't get to go. No. But he did get Christmas. He got Christmas.

But not the Boxing Day test. That's disappointing. Yep. So moving forward to June 2019, the American Library Association, they removed Dewey's name from, Because you used to get, the highest honour was the Melville Dewey Award. 2019, they went, nah, that's not happening anymore. So now it's just the American Library Association medal.

And, yeah, there's talk of moving his name from the Dewey Decimal System as well. Really? So, yeah, he was crook. Yeah. So that is, that's Melville Dewey, guys. Wow. Yeah, renaming the whole system. Yeah, that says a lot.

I think it's so interesting. I'm just thinking about the examples of him. and Steve Jobs of being like, obviously very obsessive, obviously very intense personalities, all sorts of stories come out about how difficult they are to work with or yada, yada, yada. Yeah. But they do just the most remarkable things. Yeah. Crazy.

Like, he did so much. Yeah. And like, doing that whole system by the age of 25 is, like, it is that thing I've got just one focus, let's get it done. Yeah. And the fact, I'm actually very surprised, especially back then, how quickly it was adopted everywhere. Yeah, that seems even harder.

Like, things spread pretty easily nowadays with the internet and social media and all that kind of stuff. But, like, back then, for it to be so wildly adopted so quickly, yeah, he obviously, I bet he obviously did a good job. Yeah. Crazy. And does the system, do you know, if it still tops out at 1,000? They haven't had to add new categories in the over the century because it's like, well, well, there was new types of books that didn't even exist. Now there's like vampire porn. What do I do that?

Well, that was the thing. So having the decimals, it just means you just add at another point instead of having it. And because when I worked in libraries, there was like people would come in, like, this is the school library, parents would come in and go, oh, can we make it easier for the kids? Can we just put them all by colour? And I'm like going, that is impossible. That is, like, so it means I have to remember the color the book spine is. My mom would say that people would frequently come in and say, I'm looking for this book I borrowed a couple of years ago. It's red.

Yeah. No further information. Yeah. She'd be like, there's like a million items in our system. That's, how are we going to, what do you mean? Yeah. And they got, Red, yeah, might have been by a man. Yeah.

Maybe it was a woman. The main character, though, was a man or a woman. Or a dog. That would be so vague about it. I can hum a bit for you. Yeah, yeah. And you're like, I don't know. But, yeah, so there was, yeah, that's Melville Dewey.

It's one of those things where you're like going, libraries are fantastic and he did a very great thing. But he also was a monster behind the scenes. Yeah. The idea that he was so crook. No, I didn't know either. Yark. And yeah, I mean, as we've said about three times, for things to have been done back then, he must have been really bad. Serial.

Yeah. That even men were bothered by how he was acting towards women. Yes. You know, yeah. They were going, oh, that's a bit much. Then he's gone too far. What a story. Thank you for bringing that to us.

That's all right. What an absolute treat. I wonder what number of his own life story would be on the true test system. Well, we'd be in biographies. So that would be like 800 something, 821, I think. See, it's still up there. That's great. Still ratinol around.

Rattinle around. Rattling. That's how he would spell it. Yeah, ratnolin. Ratnallin. Well, that's the other thing. That spelling is like, that reform did change the way American spell, but also it changed the way that we use our computers because we've got to go,

oh, fuck, we don't spell like that, change it back. Yeah, yes. Every time. Yeah. No, Google. Yeah, that little red line. Yeah. It's like, did you mean?

No. No, you know what? I didn't. Change to English English. British English. Fuck. Yeah. Old English.

Change it to look at where I am. Where I am. Now, Josh, thank you so much for joining your podcast. You spoke about, you've got the one on Patreon, which is I'll be your biggest fan. Yep. And then I have another one on the main feed, which is called Four Burners. So what I do is I get people on. and both of you've been

Yes, right, yeah, great. I've been on the biggest fan on. Yes, not the other one. Haven't done four burners? Wait, wait for an email. Well, what I do is, I talk about this theory that I read about in a David Sedera's essay, which is a four burner theory

where you imagine your life as a four burner stove top and one, each burner represents different facets, so one is health, one is career, one is friends, one is family. And the theory suggests you can't have them all going at once, otherwise you burn out, so you have to prioritise

which ones you're keeping on and which ones you're turning off. The theory says if you turn off one, the other three, you'll do well at. if you turn off two, the other two you leave on, you'll excel at. And so I get a bunch of people to come on. I've had like athletes, a lot of comedians, actors, authors, all that kind of stuff. And yeah, it's really interesting. And it's interesting to see the type of person who just leaves career on. I've had a couple of people that I'm only doing career at this

stage in my life. Wow. And yeah. And can I just say, they're killing it at their career. Yeah, okay. So it does get results. Yeah. But you have to leave everything else followed. Yes. So that's out every Thursday. I feel like Dewey would be career and lettery of the two. Yeah. Is one of the burners lettery? Yes.

Quick behavior? Yeah. Turn it up. I want to excel at both. Oh, fantastic. And anything else coming up, like even looking ahead? If you're in Brisbane, I'm part of the Caxston Street Comedy Festival, October 18. I'm doing my old podcast, don't you know how I am, a live one there.

And, yeah, so that is October 18. And then I'm doing a show with Tommy Dassolo called The Notebook Asterix, not the film starring Ryan Golland, but us doing new material. And when I say, we're not reading from a notebook, it's just new material since we've been up there last night. And then the next night, October 19, I'm in Cairns doing their room there. And then I have a, look, I might do a show not in the festival next year, but around the festival. Because I coach a junior basketball team. That's why I was obsessed with Will Chamberlid. And, yeah, it's all about being a coach of teenagers.

Would you like to coach a 35-year-old woman who's chronically injured? Well, do you want to join a mixed team at Coburg? Yeah, maybe. Yeah, let's do that. Like, yeah, probably. Do you need a water boy? Come play. Yeah, but that, the two.

And then, yeah, that's it. So just on the social is Mr. Joshua, just on Instagram. That's the only one I really use. Nice. Well, thank you so much for joining us. As always, an absolute. pleasure. Thank you. And as we say goodbye to Josh Earl. Goodbye, Josh Earl. We say hello to everyone's favorite section of the podcast, which is, of

course, the fact quote or question section, which I believe has the little jingle that might sound something like this. Fact quote or question. I never know how it's going to go until I'm deep in it. And she always remembers the sing. Yes, that's right. And he always remembers the ding. And this is a section where we like to spend a little bit of time answering facts, quotes, questions, brags, suggestions, recipes, games, anything from our wonderful supporters from patreon.com slash do go on pod, specifically people who support us on the Sydney-Shineberg deluxe level or above. Is that correct, Dave?

That is correct. There are multiple levels on there for everyone's different budgets. Maybe you're not able to afford anything at all and that's totally fine. But if you are able to keep the show going with a monthly pledge, that would be fantastic. And in exchange, you can get as many, as well as the fact quota question section, you can get the bonus episodes. Yeah, four a month. Four a month and 280 in the back catalogue. You get ad free listening these days. You get to watch the video and let me just say hello to the people watching the video now.

Yeah. And yes, we have changed outfits. Change outfits and I think I was sitting somewhere differently. Yeah. I think I've gone from this exact jacket in green to this exact jacket in red. Whoa. Hello. Boy, you crazy.

And you get to be part of the Facebook group. You get to vote on the top. So nice. Honestly, it's so nice. And they organise their own fun meetups and hat swaps and t-shirt swaps, all sorts of things. And also you get to hear about live shows before anyone else get discount codes. And you just get to know that you are supporting this show and making us able to keep doing it for 10 years. What you were going to say?

And making us a lot of cash. Making us so rich. I drove here in a Ferrari. I don't know if I'm going to drive it. I'm going to leave it there. Just leave it here. I'll pick up a different one. Go.

home. Leave that in the street. I don't give a shit. So the first thing we do is the fact quote or question. So people get to give themselves a title and I'm going to read them. Normally this is Matt doing this and and he always says I don't read these until I'm reading them and that's just sort of a disclaimer that will probably stumble on words. Yes. But first up is Paul McNally. Paul has given themselves the title head of biological research at the do go on institute. Eyes in the back of your head division. Okay. Interesting.

Oh, and Paul has given us a dedication. Oh my gosh. Love songs and dedication? I'm not sure we've had a dedication before. This is exciting. Okay, Paul writes, hello gang. Hope you're all well. I met you at your Dublin show last year and you were all lovely and put on an excellent show.

God, that's good to hear. Thank you. And that was a fun, fun show. Fucking loved that show. The crowd were really into it. They were so good. It was a great story. And it's just nice to hear.

that feedback that we were pleasant to deal with. Yes. Because, you know, catch me on a bad day. Not the case. Good luck catching her on a good day. Yeah. Honestly, it sounds like Paul, you had a good time.

That's one of your favorite cities in the world. So that puts you in the good mood. Yeah, I was having a fantastic time. And we walked out to just insane applause, unlike Belfast the night before. And so it really lifted my mood. Let's not start anything, you. Anyway, Paul continues. Back on episode 329, Lamens, I used.

use the quote section of fact quote a question to make a dedication to my baby son. You weren't on that episode though. No, I wasn't. That was the Le Mans disaster. Yes. Did I say Le Mans? I did that in my head as a bit of a joke, but then I said it out loud. My bad. No, no, all good, all good. But this is why you don't remember the dedication. I, of course, remember the dedication. I'm using this submission to celebrate my daughter, Railteen, whose first birthday is a week from writing this. In Irish, Railteen means Little Star. So thank you, Paul, for sort of spelling that out phonetically for me. And I hope I've done, I've said that correctly, Rale Tine.

Very cute. To my darling daughter, Rale Tine, you are the most wonderful daughter of father could ask for. It was the greatest surprise of our lives to find out we had a baby girl. The joy, pride and laughs you have brought to our whole family is the greatest gift anyone could ask for. You make me so happy every day and your little, and your cheeky smile and unimaginable cuteness is a wonderful thing to behold. Oh my God, it keeps going. It's so sweet. This is so beautiful.

I love every little thing you do, whether they're difficult or joyful, from stealing my glasses off my head since you were four months old and throwing them away laughing. How I couldn't hold you close to my face for a month because you'd latch onto my nose with the precision of a viper. How you learn to crawl one day and two days later could climb the stairs unaided. But in brackets, with supervision. That's progress. Teaching you not to be afraid of a swing. How as soon as I come in the door from work, you crawl down the hall as fast as possible with the biggest smile and giggle.

most of all I'm proud to be your dad I love you with all my heart so twinkle twinkle my little star you're always and forever in your daddy's heart Oh my gosh I'm gonna cry Paul that is so nice Happy birthday little star That's so beautiful

Really cute I'm sure where I mean that was written A while ago So Routines now finish university And well done Congratulations little star We are so proud of you

But that is very sweet That's really nice It really hits the daddy issues, so thank you for that. Paul, that's absolutely gorgeous. Bring it all the dedications. We've had people using it as a brag where they'll brag about other people. We're happy for you to brag about something you've done as well. This is a safe space, but a dedication is very wholesome. That's nice, yeah. Very nice. Thank you, Paul. Next up is Katie C. Katie has given themselves a title official dog petter. Oh, please. What a coveted role. Yeah, honestly, we had a lot of submissions. Yes. We tried to basically use nepotism and give ourselves the role. Yeah. Nepotism? Cronism.

Nepotism. We're family. Yeah. And Katie has given us a question. Yes, it says this one is mostly for Bob. That's me. Paul Kelly has dropped a sequel to How to Make Gravy in Reader Wrote a Letter. I'm a huge P.K.

I'm a huge P.K. fan and I'm loving it, wondering what you think of it. And this one's for all of you. What's your favorite song that has a sequel or tells a story? That's very interesting. A song with a sequel. That's tricky She goes on so you can have a bit of a think I love hearing Paul tell the story of Dan, Joe and Rita

And loved that there was a death notice published in the paper for Joe Prior to the release of Rita wrote a letter That's fun to say, Rita wrote a letter But I also love the song by Eric Bogle Two Strong Arms Which tells the story of Christos from Macedonia Who moved to Australia and worked hard for his family P.S, if you get Paul Kelly on the pod

I would literally lose my shit She has written Loose My Shit, which is pretty funny um i katy i can guarantee we will never ever have paul kelly on the podcast if it was an option i would i would decline oh you think it would just you i couldn't handle it you couldn't speak no i've told you about um doing a channel 31 broadcast of the um what's the the footy game there's like a community cup thank you community cup footy game and paul kelly was playing there. He, like, performed there. And I was backstage. I'd asked Dan Sulton if he would

have a chat with me, but he was there with his, like, wife and infant daughter, and they were about to leave. He's like, oh, sorry, I don't really have the time. I was like, no worries. And that was already kind of, like, crushing enough. It feels like an embarrassing rejection. And then Paul Kelly walked past me, and we sort of, you know, I had, I sort of had to stand out of his way, so we did that sort of polite smile, nod thing. And I was like, if I asked him, if I asked him, if I asked If I asked Paul Kelly for an interview and he said no, I would replay that every night in my sleep. I couldn't handle it.

So you just sort of nodded to bed on. So I was like, I won't do it. I can't handle that rejection. Even if he said yes, I would have just fucking stared at him. Yeah. I couldn't do it. And then imagine if he found out I have a tattoo of his lyrics slash song slash album. I wonder how we, because somebody would love to share that.

Hey, look, I've got your lyrics, but you're a bit like. I'd be like, you're going to think I'm insane. I don't want you to know about this. I don't want you to know. So to answer your first question, I've got to be honest, Katie. I have listened to Rita wrote a letter, but maybe only like once or twice. I didn't know about this. It's fairly recent.

Okay. At the time of recording, it's, you know, I don't know, month, six-ish weeks ago maybe. So I did listen to it and then, I don't know, got busy, got on with stuff, kind of forgot about it. I need to revisit. I can't think of another song that has a sequel. That's such a good question. It would be a good trivia type question. Yes.

Name these sequel songs. Yeah. I like a band that Matt and I both worked out. We saw the same gig out in 2005. Cohed in Cambria. Their album is called In One of the albums, my favorite one of those, In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth 3. And there's a song called that.

And then there's also part one, two and three of the camp of Valorium. And I love that. Oh. They go into each other. I didn't even think of part one, two and three. So like Evie is a... Oh, that's great. There's a sequel.

It's a trilogy in there. Also, I've looked at, oh, Anthem Part 2, Bling 1-82. Great question, Katie. I would love, I mean, keep them coming if you know, if something came to mind straight away then

of a song that's a sequel, I'd love you to let us know. Yeah, what are they? That's such a good, that would be such a fun trivia question of like, this song is the sequel of what? Sometimes it would be obvious, sometimes it wouldn't.

Like, if you didn't know how to make gravy and someone said, Read or wrote a letter is a sequel to what song? You'd be like, what the fuck? That's really good. Oh, there's a category on wiki sequel songs. Wow. There's quite a lot here.

Any jump out that you've recognized? Drunk in Love by Beyonce has come out. Oh. Which I do like that song, but... Interesting. What is it a sequel to? Many music critics call the song a follow-up to Crazy in Love because Jay-Z's on both.

Oh, I see. Thank you so much for that, Katie. That's great. And thank you for being the official dog petter, the highly coveted role, and we're very proud of you. Yes. Finally, for the fact, quote a question this week, Nathan Damon, aka group dad, is giving us a fact. He says, hey, guys, it's been a while. And just to let everyone know, I'm fine.

Thought I'd go with an AFL fact as I know how much Jess loves her footy. Oh, I love it. Do you, foo, those boys out there. Who's your favorite boy right now? Oh, pendles. really pendles what a boy what a boy

38 year old man he's one of the few that's older than us yeah yeah that's grim I've told to you last week that I looked I just had a thought

am I older than every AFL player so I looked it up list in order and currently you and I I think we'd be about the seventh and eighth oldest

in the entire league I don't love that I like to be somewhere around the middle of the pack I saw I saw my exercise physiologist yesterday and he did a little

bit of testing on on running jumping calf strength type stuff and he goes yeah so you know right now these numbers are right around the middle of the pack and he meant that as like we've got some improvement to do but I was like sweet better than half of everyone I'm like you mean not the worst fantastic yeah let's party no one will notice me yeah great I think I'm his least favorite client anyway uh Nathan at the time of writing hopefully this comes out sometime before grand final day yeah yeah okay great The original two expansion clubs that turned the VFL into the AFL have each one more flags than the teams that have joined since put together. I didn't understand a word of that.

Can we have it one more time, one more time? At the time, okay. The original two expansion clubs that turned the VFL into the AFL have each one more flags than the teams that have joined since put together. Oh, okay. So that's to say Brisbane has four, West Coast has four, Adelaide 2. Port Adelaide 1, Frio, GWS, and Gold Coast, zero. As you know, Jess, it's been a tough time for us West Coast supporters lately, so I needed something to smile about.

Well, bye for now and hopefully see you all in November. Yes, Nathan, I, mate. Oh, I get it. I get it. Yeah, poor old West Coast Forest. Poor. And, um... Footy just, here's the thing.

Yeah. I have embraced sport more recently. But I've gone for rugby union, and the choice was very strategic in that, you know, the world championships were happening this year, women's World Cup is happening at the time of recording right now. It's very exciting. And then rugby kind of goes away for a bit. Right. Well, the movies, they play. They play. But then, you know, like every few years, there's something, like a World Cup comes up. And you know, that's a bit of fun. And then you can forget about it for a while. AFL it's too much I can't keep up Because there's

Even in the off season People are talking about What's happening next season And there's too many teams Yeah I don't I can't get I can't get my head around it But I obviously understood everything

Nathan just said And I appreciate it We appreciate you know And Nathan is one of the reasons We're coming back to Perth He's been hassling us Not hassling us Reminding us for a long time

We haven't been to Perth And that's why we're He's been nagging He's been nagging And we will see there Nathan, we've sold out the first to Perth show, so we've put on the second one. Yeah.

We might see you there too. See it both. Let's party. Let's party. West Coast style. Can I drive one of your big trucks, please? That would be so cool. That'd be so fun.

If anyone can do it, it's Jess. Agreed. Now, the next thing we need to do is also just thank some of our wonderful supporters. We do a little shout out, Dave. And we usually play a game. Oh, yeah. Should I give them a, a Dewey decimal

number. Yeah, and then you could, maybe you could even and say what it is. Yeah, like, do you, yeah, categories. Yeah, I'll look it up. Okay, great. So I'll read out the names and then you'll, oh, Melville, Jewelie, the pictures come up of this

this, uh, sex pest that we just heard about. There you go. That's not how I was imagining. Okay. So, I'll read out some beautiful people's names and locations if they've given them to us and then you'll give them what a category, a number. Yeah.

Okay, fantastic. Have you got the random Dewey Decimal? I'm looking it up. I'm just trying to find it. Hey, I've found a good picture, but it's only on Pinterest, so it only opens really small. And I'm like, no, give me the... Enhance. Is it site.

Hang on. I can do this. I can navigate things. How are you doing out there? I don't think I am doing well. All right, yeah, this will do. I've gone to help you and I've found the same Pinterest thing. It looks pretty good, but it's...

Yeah. Why are they so small? So small. Okay. First up, I'd like to think from Marblehead in M.A., which I believe is Massachusetts. Well, I'm afraid I said the wrong, Massachusetts. Massachusetts. It's Emma a hammock. Emma has published a book in 040 unassigned. Okay. That's hard to do.

Why do they have that as an option? I guess... It's unassigned. There's some things that are just so new. Yeah. Like, they're going to get assigned later? That's nice. Well, like, the defies category.

Like, for example, this podcast, we cover so many things. How could you categorize this podcast? Sometimes it's history. Often it's history. Yes. It's all technically history. But with it, through a comedy lens. Yes.

That's different. That's what sets us apart. That's a zero-for-zero. Also, we have a woman that sets us apart. Yes. We have an unclassified team member. From Fort Collins, Colorado. Thank you to.

Daniel Scott. 560, Fossils and Prehistoric Life. Oh, great. Pretty good stuff. Yeah, I wanted to be an archaeologist when I was growing up. Because of Indiana Jones? Yes, and the mummy really reinforced it. Oh, yeah.

Everything about it. And what about now? Do you still want to be an archaeologist? Yes, because of Indiana Jones and the mummy. Sure. Which we watched Raiders of the Lost Ark for a movie club this month. And I was being like, maybe I could do this. Yeah, I could rock that hat.

Yeah, I could probably learn to whip. he doesn't always whip that's the thing yeah sometimes he just gets too tired and just shoots yeah love that you could do that I wouldn't even need a whip

I just have a second gun on the other on the other why don't he just have a second gun he just have two what an idiot he should just have four guns yeah why does he have a hat

could be a gun next up from Naperville Illinois thank you to Kenny 580 manufacture for specific uses not to be considered to be confused

sorry, for 670 manufacturing. It's 680, manufacture for specific uses. Okay. Mm-hmm. Good. Okay. When the book comes in, does a librarian have to sit down and really think about this? Yeah, I was thinking that the other, I was thinking about that as Josh was explaining

these. And like, it must be that when they're publishing a book, they already categorize it. Yeah. The publisher must assign it. It might even be in the actual details of the, you know, have all the fine print at the front. Yeah. Might even say what it is. I don't know.

I'll ask my mum Next up from Blackburn Who's a librarian It would just be nice that you'd call her as well Mom She misses you I want to talk about Jewie Decimal

She's like What about everything else Going on in your life Nah Don't worry about it Next up from Blackburn South in Victoria It's Katie Katie has gone for 640

Home and Family Management Okay Family management Do you think that's like practical stuff for more social things. I think it's sort of like, you know, those books that teach you how to be like an alpha or like how to lead a workplace? Oh, yeah, yeah.

I think it's that, but you're treating your children like employees. Yeah, that's right. How to get the best out of your children. Next up from a location that is unknown to us. So we can only assume they're deep within the fortress of the moles. It's OMA. 390, customs, etiquette and folklore. okay yeah that's a big there's a lot going on there customs okay etiquette and folklore because

I can feel like customs and etiquette go together like societal customs and etiquette folklore is its own like that probably contradicts some customs or and surely folklore and folk tale or those kind of things that that must have its own section right you would think so but nope it's in 300 social social science there you and just so you know who are omer you are omer you are O M-E-R Yeah. Thank you so much for supporting the show. Deepen than the Fortress. Next up from Lutz in Florida.

Lutz in Florida, it's Ivy Rutledge. 490. Other languages. Other languages. Okay. Other. They sort of went... Fair bit to cover.

English, German, French, Italian, Spanish, Latin, modern Greek, other. Wow, there's a lot of other. There's got to be a lot, what, at least, half a dozen others? Yeah. Half a dozen, you reckon? Half a dozen. Jeez, Louise. Dave, there's not that many languages. Come on, mate. I round it up.

Come on, mate. There was one other. Put Australian in there. Yeah, that's the one that missed. Tonal language. I stand by that. Hey, you're going. Yeah, again. Thank you too, Ivy there. Next up from a location that is also unknown to us, probably in the fortress. It's Jordan Orpheus Carrington. 790, sports, games and entertainment. Okay. Again, like... Entertainment should have its own. Sports and games. It's sports and games. You've got music and arts and other things in there, entertainment, there's a lot, there's so many, there's so many things that are entertaining. Yeah. But back then, he didn't know about Jello wrestling. He was

missing out. He couldn't have imagined. He probably would have loved it. Yeah, actually, Perv. Yeah, perfect. You're absolutely right. Another fortress dweller here, probably. We can only assume the deepest in the fortress location unknown to us. It's Isaac Young. 160. Logic. Okay. Yeah, which in the Sims just means you've got to like either read a book about logic or play chess to improve your logic skill. To get like a plus one logic. Yeah. So to me, logic is just chess.

Okay, great. A lot of my understanding of the world is through the lens of Sims. We know. It shows. Woohoo. Do you right? Dave, please we're at work. No talk of woohoo here, mate.

And finally, I'm sure whoo is going to. its own subject, surely. Yeah, where would that fit in? Hmm, science maybe. Yeah, biology. Yeah, I guess so. He'd probably have his own category. Oh, yeah.

Perv. Finally, from... Pervology. Pervology. That's got to be 069. From Dali in Victoria, it's Benjo. 900. History.

Not much of that. Nah. Easy peasy. Tiny little category. give it like half a shelf in a library you're good yeah that's fine was it like three or four historians yeah and they cover a lot there's a lot of overlap then diagram of what they cover yeah yeah so so thank you again to ben joe isaac jordan ivy oma katie kenny daniel and emma i mean you're all experts in your own in your own ways yes that's right thank you and finally before

we get on out of here the last thing to do is the trip ditch club this is where we welcome people who have supported do-go-on for three consecutive years on patreon.com slash do-go-on pod. One of them. And... Do-go-on-Pod. Is it Do-Go-on-Pod? It is Do-G-O-N-Pod. How it usually works is Matt is at the door.

He's got the clipboard. He lifts the velvet rope. I'm behind the bar. I've got, you know, libations. And Dave books a band and also hypes you up. So, Dave, there's like eight people this time. Oh, my gosh. So you're going to be hyping for a while.

I love to hype. I love to hype. I love to hype. chords are appropriately warmed. And live to hype. Have you booked a band? Yes, you're never going to believe it. What?

We don't really have, often have people performing in character here. Okay. But that's true. We don't. I'll put in a special request. And tonight, we are being joined by John C. Riley in character as Jewie Cox. Dave. Doing the album in full.

Dave. So I watch, I watch that movie annually. It's a bit of a, it's become a tradition in my household. And then every time I watch that movie, the next time I come into work, I play clips for you on YouTube. Because John C. Riley's voice, he's got a phenomenal voice.

He's a fantastic singer. And the music through that ridiculous movie is actually so good. We're going to hear it live now. Yes! And can I confess, I've actually never seen the full movie. Great movie. Just the clips from you. Oh, you'd enjoy it.

It's really fun. Yeah, I think I'd love to. We watch it every Valentine's. Day. Really? That's so sweet tradition. That's our Valentine's Day tradition as we get pizza and we watch Joey Cox.

Oh, that's great. Is there any Valentine connection or it's just a lovely movie? We just did it one time on a Valentine's Day. Love that. And we're like, let's continue that every year. That's a family tradition now. It's beautiful.

Yeah, family tradition. I said the other day, I was like, I said, day and I'm like, we're related. He was like, yeah. He's like, don't say that. Yeah. I was like, isn't that crazy? We're like, we're related now. We're family.

Stop telling people that. That's not true. Stop saying you're related. to your husband. Hi, Marcel. Hi, Marcel, we're mid pod. We're doing the Patreon read. Oh, well, then I'll go do a wee.

Yeah, go do a wee. Did you, I messaged you, babe. I wasn't, I was mid-sesh. Who have we just welcomed? We're about to welcome people into the Triptitch Club. And we've got John C. Riley performing. And what's your silly, what's your silly game that you're playing? We gave everybody, because the report was about the Dewey Decimal system, so we gave

everybody a Dewey Decimal system. classification. That's fun. It is pretty fun. And like your listeners are into this and they stick around for this part of the same. It's hard to say. Yeah, we don't know. It's hard to say if they're listening. See you soon, Marcel. Marcel's going to be a guest on an upcoming episode. Sizzling!

Okay, so we've got... And we're running a bit late, so that was our fault. Yeah, that was our bad. So we've got John C. Riley coming. That's very exciting. I'm behind the bar and I've I've gone and gathered due from nearby. Okay, you're going to have to get quite a bit, quite a bit of it. But the problem is, in transporting it back to the bar, it's gotten really hot.

Don't tell you. We've got hot, due. Your face. Your faces, you were like, what are you doing, Jess? You just looked at me like, don't, don't do it. No, I was like, and then you just stopped. From nearby. I'm so excited.

It's going to be really good. To have a shot, I guess, of you. A shot is playing. There's not enough to go around. It's not enough. There's so many people in the Trudits Club now. And, you know, like, there's plenty of other stuff. It's the regular bar.

Yeah, that's right. There's a kitchen out the back. There's a menu. You'll be right. Like, there's something for everyone. Yeah. And, you know, vegetarian options, etc. All right. There's got to be some people in the club here who, no matter what the thing is,

they go, well, we're going to try something new. So you've got to have quite a fair bit at hand. That's right. Yeah, yeah. Of Jew. Of Jew. That got me. I also had to be careful about how I say it because Australians say it like Jew, Jew.

And it can be very confusing. Yes, Jew is in Dewey decimals. Like a Dewey look makeup. I don't know what that is. You know, you want to look dewy. Okay, like Dewey from Malcolm in the middle? You want to look like Dewey from Malcolm in the middle. Young.

Okay, so we've got a bunch of people to welcome in. I'm going to read their names. Dave, you're going to hype them up. I'm going to hype you up. Okay. It's just going to be a big old hype love fair. Absolutely. Are you ready? Yep.

Okay, here we go. First up, from deep within the fortress of the moles, it's Kay Hacks. I've got some life hacks, some K hacks. Woo! From Princeton and Texas, it's Madeline Murray Baker. Let me bake you up a Madeline Murray Baker. Okay, from Melbourne, Victoria. Ever heard of it?

It's Josh Pennell. I wanted to get my pen license, but I prefer to get my Penel license. Yes. From Roker in Great Britain, it's Katie. Watson. What's going on, Katie? Yes. From Bradford in Great Britain, it's Emma Ruthven. Rathven. Emma, solve my dilemma.

Oh, that's pretty nice. From The Fortress of the Moles, it's Samwise, often Smith. Often Smith, but never boring. It's Samwise. From Glasgow. In Scotland, it is Georgie Stewart. Georgie Stewart spelled the correct way, like the raw family. My lady.

Okay, yes. He has lost it a little. bit. Okay. And finally from... Georgie Baked in a pie. You never knew it. Oh, that's pretty good. That's really good. Jesus Christ. I was going to say baked in a pie because I love pie so much. You know?

What? Isn't that blah, blah, blah, blah. It's Stuart baked in a pies, I think? I don't know. No, Georgie. Sorry, I'm going with Georgie Port. Porgy. Yeah. I was like, hang on. I was like, how did I get to this? So, do you want to just go with what I said? George Stewart, you never knew it. There we go. Okay. And finally, from Chicago, Illinois.

It's Corey J. Tour. Corrie J. Tour. My favourite brewer. Oh, that was pretty nice. Thank you so much. Okay, well, I feel a little puffed from that. I just think eight is. Like, it's a big task.

Yeah, your brain shut down at number seven. I agree. Thank you. Six. Six max. But I feel bad for Georgie and Corey there, but I appreciate you so much. Thank you. Corey, Georgie, Samwise, Emma, Katie, Josh, Madeline and Kay.

And I think that brings us, that's everything we need to do. That brings us to the end. We're here. I mean, we're just getting. We're going to get the music of John C. Raleigh slash Dewey Cox. Oh, it's so good. And then, um... It's a beautiful... La.

It's great. It's great. His voice is gorgeous. And then we'll head to the bar for some Dewey shots. Yes. First in best dress. There are not enough of them. Yeah, there's three.

So one for me, one for Dave. I don't know. Save one for Matt. Yeah. Save one for Matt. I'll give it to Georgia Corrie as an apology for... As a sorry. For what I did.

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