Do Go On - 525 - The Great Fire of London

Episode Date: November 12, 2025

It's our 3rd most voted for topic for Block 2025! We go back to 1666, for the Great Fire of London. And in this case, 'great' means massive, not awesome. This is a comedy/history podcast, the report begins at approximately 08: 25 (though as always, we go off on tangents throughout the report).For all our important links: https://linktr.ee/dogoonpod Check out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Who Knew It with Matt Stewart: https://play.acast.com/s/who-knew-it-with-matt-stewart/Jess Writes A Rom-Com: https://shows.acast.com/jess-writes-a-rom-comOur awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasDo Go On acknowledges the traditional owners of the land we record on, the Wurundjeri people, in the Kulin nation. We pay our respects to elders, past and present. REFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Fire_of_Londonhttps://archive.org/details/bypermissionofhe0000tinn_h3d3/page/n5/mode/2uphttps://www.london-fire.gov.uk/museum/london-fire-brigade-history-and-stories/fires-and-incidents-that-changed-history/the-great-fire-of-london/’https://www.britannica.com/event/Great-Fire-of-London Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Warnocky and, as always, I'm here with Matt Stewart and Jess Perkins. Wow. Hey, Dave, it's so good to be here with you and Jess with you as well. And also with you. Body of Christ. We lift them up to the Lord. Is our God?

Is our God the listener? And with you? Yes. Yes. Muscle memory. Well, I forget Dave's a heathen. He didn't grow up within the church. They've got no muscles or memory.

That's true. Well, you have no muscles. I have no memory. And together. I don't know. Should we start again? I don't think like we'd always just plow on But should we be professional once

And just start again Yeah maybe especially because this is like We're getting to the top of block Yes Well how about I do a quick one Welcome to another episode of do you go on The third most voted for topic Of Block 2025

Wow I'm excited Woo We're into officially into Blovember Can't believe it We're blowing through a Blovember Yeah It's just the best time of year

It is You just walk down the streets I'm over here in conversation. What are you doing for block? What are you doing for block? It's electric. Yeah. The city comes alive.

And some people are just saying block. And people know what that means. And then like you'll go into a shop, you'll be like, hi, can I get a small skinny latte? They say, yeah, no worries. Then they hand it to you and you say, thanks so much, happy block. Yeah.

And you look down and you realize the art on the coffee is a block. Yeah. And that's hard to do. It is. It's so nice. Do you find people accosting in the streets sort of saying, what's number one? What's number one?

No, they've got too much respect. And I don't think that's within the spirit of block. I don't think block followers would do that. Dave was kidnapped. Yeah. Be fun. I don't think, well, I don't think that would be in the spirit of things. Well, not everyone plays by the rules.

Kidnapping, Dave. I'd say that now, if you're listening, do not kidnap Dave again. Toshu it again, okay? You've had you fun. I didn't let him know. I didn't break. Good stuff. I think my paparazzi disguise is too good.

I don't get a costume in the street. I don't recognize you. Correct. And I'm outside your house every day. Just snapping away. I just like to make sure he's okay. Because your paparazzi disguise is you disguise as a pepper rata. Yeah, no one's looking at the paps, are they?

Hiding in plain sight. That's so good. Thank you. Thank you so much. You say stuff like, I think that's Jess Perkins over there. And they go, what? Where? She's so beautiful, they say.

Yeah. And I go, I don't know. I don't know. She's fine, I guess. Could be worse, sure. Yeah. Could certainly be better, I say. Yeah.

She could, she's got a few things she could work on. Yeah. Face-wise. And personality-wise. Oh, I mean, where to begin. Yeah. There's articles written about you. Source, close to the Perkins.

Anyway, what is block, Matt? In case people are thinking, I don't know what it is. Somehow they've been living under a block rock. Come on, that was so good. No. A block rock? I don't know. I think it was one of the worst things I've been living under a block.

Two different opinions here. They happen to go with one of them. So what it is, is we're a podcast that tells a story from history, and history goes all the way up to, like, now. Yeah. It's anything from before now. We nearly never do any stories from the future. That's true.

So far. So far. And, yeah, at this time of year, through Block, which is... I mean, isn't June set in the future? Dune, the movie Dune? Oh. Is that set in the future? Yeah.

So take back what we said. Because I was like June is in the future, but it's in the past. Yeah, June is all around us. Yeah. With June 27's in the future? Yeah. June 2026 is in the future. Yes.

But, yeah, Block is where we put up a huge pole and we all dance around this pole. It's a celebratory pole. Yeah, tie ribbons to it and we dance around. I get nude. No one else does. Whatever. And, yeah, you clench the pole betwixt your cheeks. It's tradition

I can't remember how it started But we do it every year Um AJ please trim down this intro And um To just the good stuff Yeah Leaving the good stuff

Leave the pole Leave the pole Betwixt my butt But twigs is so good Um And Yes So the huge poll goes up

As well as the physical poll We also put up a Like a A voting system system and the nine most voted for topics we count down through October and November and we're up to, I think, the third most voted for topic. That's correct.

And I also just want to say if you're joining us for the very first time because of this topic and you haven't enjoyed the vibe so far, we're not the pod for you. This is what we do. Although hopefully AJ our editor will have trimmed it down a bit. But it was, how do you trim out all the gold? Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. But we always get onto the topic with a question.

It's my turn to do a report this week. And you've been, there's been rumblings in the studio about this question. Uh-huh. You're excited about, I think. I'm always excited about my questions. Yeah. Because I'm a curious person. I'm inquisitive.

Yeah, you love to ask. I love to ask questions. I love to answer questions. I love to think about questions. You don't listen to other people's answers. I have been tinkering with the hat where people suggest their, uh, topics that we can report on. And I've added a section where they can write their own question that we may or may not use.

I don't know if that was relevant today. It wasn't. Unfortunately, this topic had not been suggested in the last couple of months. Yeah. But I love that idea. Because writing the question sometimes very tricky, sometimes really fun. I think, yeah, sometimes it's going to be really handy to be like, oh, shit, I wonder if, great. Yes.

Oh, that's a good question. Yeah. Okay, so here's my question. In which city would you find the following landmarks? Okay. Buckingham Palace. Westminster Abbey. Westminster?

Big Ben. We're going to need another one. The London Eye. London Bridge. I'm going to jump in. That's a trick. That's a trick that one. Matt's jumping in. I'm going to say London.

Matt is correct. What? He's London. Did Buckingham Palace give it away? I wanted to start with the London Eye. I thought that would be pretty funny. That is a good question, Jess. No, it's not.

You don't have to patronise me. No, it's fun. It's fun. It's fun. That's what we do here. We have fun. Yeah. No, I did real, I think once the things started having London in the name, I was pretty sure.

Yeah. Because until that point, I'm like, this is going to be a trick. Sure. There's probably a Buckingham Palace in, you know. There's a Lego model of it in Geelong, exactly. Yeah, I thought it's going to be like, you know, they sold London Bridge to that guy in America. Yeah. So we're talking about that.

No, we are talking about London. Specifically, we're talking about the Great Fire of London. and... Ah, yes, I forgot that this had made the poll this year because I've put up for a vote once before in the past. But people got behind it this time, which I'm very excited to hear about... They really did.

And this is... Where it started. Because, like, it felt... I mean, I guess we'll find out, but all I know, and I don't even know if I know it... Okay. Wow. It's that it was like...

Because it's a really old city, London. It goes back to Roman times. Correct. Lundinium or something. Sure. Or is that what it's called on the periodic table? But it... I think a

Is that right? Is there at any point in me doing the report? Was that any of that right? Yeah. You do know it. But huge spoilers for a topic called the Great Fire of London. You've just spoiled that there was a big fire. Okay, well, AJ I can edit that out.

Thanks so much for that. Sleep it if need be, AJ. So it's been suggested by a couple of people. Michael Daly from Essex and Will Smith, from Victoria. Oh, we can only assume. Yeah, we can only assume the same Will Smith. So kicking things off, a little bit of background.

What was London like in the mid to late 1600s? Great question. Well, it had been a pretty rough... Thank you so much. I like to think of questions, answer questions. I'm going to answer one right now. Thank you. It had been a pretty rough time in the years leading up to the fire.

London was by far the largest city in Britain and, in fact, was the third largest in the Western world with a population estimated to be between 3 and 400,000. Okay. This is 1600. So, yeah, similar to Geelong now. Yeah. Is that right?

Wow. I think Geelong's about half a mill. Is that right? I puts it in perspective, doesn't it? Because, you know, that's what I need. I need local references, or I just can't. Yeah. And top three is pretty good.

Do you have the other three there? No. No. Yeah, great. See, I like to ask my own questions where I know you don't have the answer. Yeah, it's exciting, isn't it? To make you look like a fool. And it's not hard.

Geelong is about 300,000. There you go. So the size of Geelong. Great. Which at the time, third largest in the world. Yeah. Amazing. I wonder where Geelong sits now in the world.

I'll find out. Thank you. Top 30. The city's unplanned and quick growth meant that it had an unregulated urban sprawl. It was progressively becoming more and more crowded, particularly in the inner city areas within the old Roman city wall. It was this big defensive wall first built by the Romans in circa 200. So it was very old. Wow.

This is from Wikipedia. By the late 17th century, the city proper, the area bounded by the city wall and the River Thames, was only a part of London, covering some 700 acres and home to about 80,000 people or one quarter of London's inhabitants. The city was surrounded by a ring of inner suburbs where most Londoners lived. So the city, it was like the CBD, basically, if you picture it, had this big wall around it. It was almost made like a semicircle.

You have like the Thames. running along the bottom and then a little semi-circle made the city centre. It was a very busy hub. It contained the largest market and busiest port in England. But it wasn't an idealic,

bustling city kind of vibe. It was traffic clogged, polluted, and the Great Plague had hit the year prior, wiping out 100,000 people over the course of 18 months. So it wasn't exactly a great time to be living in London. So they have the Great Plague in 1665,

and then the following year, the Great Fire. So it's not, they put great in there a couple of times, but it's actually, I think that's an ironic title. Oh, yeah. It's great. They mean great like big, not great, like, woo! Like you've got the plague and you're on fire. You're like, oh, great.

Yeah, it's that. Just what I need. Awesome. Fantastic. Yeah, it's sarcastic. Yeah. Great. I'm going to die now.

Yeah. I guess. Fine. So you get it. Yeah, it's a sarcastic great, which I think is great. Politically, the relationship between the city and the crime. crown was also very tense. The city of London had been a stronghold for republicanism during the English Civil War, which was 1642 to 1651, so, you know, 10, 20 years earlier.

There had been several Republican uprisings in London in the early 1660s, and a lot of the city magistrates were of the generation that had fought in the Civil War, and they'd seen how Charles I had refused a constitutional monarchy and instead was fighting for absolute power. after Charles was tried, convicted and executed for high treason. That did not go well for him. It did not go well for him. No, he was executed in 1649. The monarchy was abolished and the Commonwealth of England was established as a republic,

which I didn't know. But then the monarchy was restored in 1660 with Charles' son, Charles II as the king. So the people who make up local government in London fought against the current king's dad and didn't like him and they're pretty suss of his son as well. and that might come back to bite everyone in the ass a little bit. Given that it was such an old city as well, there had already been several major fires in London before 1666.

The most recent was in 1633. Wooden buildings and thatched roofing had been prohibited for a long time. Some sources saved centuries, but these materials were cheap and therefore continued to be used. I didn't realize they'd... Because, yeah, that was a huge part of the problem was that the buildings were made of wood. Kindling.

Exactly right. And I was like, well, I guess they didn't know. But they knew and had known for a really long time, but they're like, yeah, but cheap. The cheapest building material were jiffy fire starters. Yeah. And they smell good. Yeah. So just wanted a nice smelling home.

Damn. And they bathed in petrol. Yeah. Cheap. Only the wealthy areas in the centre of the city were built with brick or stone. The mansions of the wealthy merchants were built on spacious lots of land, often surrounded by poorer parishes, which were overcrowded due to the rapidly growing population. So it's a bit of a, there's a chaotic time, and there's definitely a stark difference between

the haves and the have-nots. You know where the wolf should be visiting, obviously, in that scenario? I'm just saying you do know. Yeah. I also know. Yeah, not the rich areas. Nah. Because they're built with bricks.

Couldn't huff and puff them down. Why are you still looking at me? Because you're talking and I'm engaged. I mean, I just said a thing and that was it. Okay. It's already been said. All right. You don't need to keep looking at me.

You want me to look away? I'd love it if you did. Okay. Here we go. You're looking at me now. I didn't even say anything. The typical multi-story timbered London tenement houses had jetties. They're like the projected.

upper floor. So you know how sometimes in these very old buildings? In fact, I might just get a picture up for you. But if I type in jetties, it's just going to be like a little pier. Where like the second story kind of juts out a little bit over the front of the building. Does that make

any sense to you? Like a jettie. Yeah. Like a walled balcony. Yeah. I'm trying, jettying. That's probably where the jettie comes from. I like how that kind of... I'm showing you...

Does that make any sense to you? Yeah. How, like, the top levels kind of... That's what, yeah, it's what... Stick out a little bit. Oh, yes. So, that kind of style of... They were very common because it meant that people could,

when you're building up, you could have a little bit more space. Is that like called, like a Tudor... This is before this, but like a Tudor style. Yeah. That place is Tudor, yeah. Or is that just the one she's showing me is Tudor? I think the one, that white wall with the black sort of timber. Yeah.

Yeah. Paneling patterns. That's true to stars, isn't it? Yeah. This would be fun to listen to. I think so. I just looked up Jetty. It's an old French word, so Dave probably knows it.

Jotis. Is that right? Mm-hmm. And it comes from the word jotty or whatever you said, meaning, Dave. To jut. Just jut out. I was going to say palace of filth Throne or projected

coming from the verb Jeter to throw I reckon that I reckon I nailed that I think you did too So a lot of their houses in London had those kind of jetties

those projected upper floors Yetios Which So now we're looking at because you're doing a French face. Mm. Yeah. Yeah.

I, uh, when 1066, the Normans came over to England and conclude the pretones

and uh, and uh, I've brought some of the language with him. Uh, Jeter, Jesse, as maybe you say.

I love getting, because he was there, obviously, at the time, so it's nice to get some of that... Lost many good friends and confidants to the plague. And the fire. The fire. The fire, my lawns. Anyway, so the jettys, they're. common, but that means houses kind of encroach over the street and shorten the gap between

two opposite properties, which isn't a big deal unless you think about it from a fire point of view. Yeah, right. So you could basically reach out and touch your neighbour through the window. And you should. What was that? You could and you should. Oh, Darren! Is this in the period where they were just throwing shit out the window as well? Oh, probably. Throw it to your neighbour. They run to the other side of their house and they keep throwing.

From Wiki, the fire hazard was well perceived. when the top jetties all but met across the narrow alleys as it does facilitate a conflagration conf-fucking a fucking sub you know what I mean so does it also hinder the remedy wrote one observer

so basically like it makes it easier for fire to spread and also makes it harder to put out fire Neil Hanson wrote that in 1661 Charles II issued a proclamation for bidding overhanging windows and jetties but this was largely ignored by the local government. Charles

his next sharper message in 1665 warned of the risk of fire from the narrowness of the streets and authorised both imprisonment of builders and demolition of dangerous buildings. And that also had very little impact. And this is, so 65, you're saying that was when the plague was on? Yeah. So they're like, mate. We got bigger issues. We're like, we can't adjust the plans, the building plans right now.

Yeah. I've got men dying left and right. Exactly right. You want to go in there and just start knocking houses down? My architect Just got plague Just got plague He's got one of those

Bube bulbs Okay Right out his fucking eyeball It sucks because he's a beautiful man Well he was a beautiful man Yeah Not anymore He's a hideous freak

I'm really Look at him anymore Still the best architect I've ever had though Beautiful architect The work he does He's a visionary He makes a pencil and paper sing

That's right But I cannot look at his disgusting face Yes, as long as those pussy postules don't start popping on his beautiful hands where he does so much of his fantastic work When the hand picks up the pencil I tell you what, I believe in magic Well, the good news is I think the bubonic plate had a pretty high survival right Okay, great

He'll be fine. Yeah, he should be right. As a doctor, he'll be fine. And it's like, because they used to have quills and stuff, right? So it's sort of like, it could self-ink with the pus. Oh, that's nice. Yeah. You can lance your own boils.

Oh, perfect. With your quill. Yeah, because I think that's good for them. And then the quill can sup on the pus inside. So. Is anything I'm saying, not adding up here? No, it all sounds good to me. Like I said, as a doctor.

Yeah. Sounds great. As a doctor. As a nurse, because women can't be doctors. I think that sounds really good too. As the head surgeon, I agree as well with me. As the creator of the concept of surgery. Oh, yep.

As the creator of surgery. Yes. Top that. You invented surgery. Yeah. Also, oh my God. Okay. Wow.

Okay. All right. I'm probably just going to move on with my report if that's okay. Thank you, nurse. So that's kind of a little bit of backstory there on like the state of the world and also how things were built. which brings us to the main event. I can't wait to watch it, but...

Here we go. Shortly after midnight on Sunday the 2nd of September 1666, which is really fun to say, a spark from an unexinguished oven started a house fire. The oven was in Thomas Farroner's bakery in Pudding Lane. Oh my goodness. Isn't that so cute? And pudding over there means dessert.

Yeah. I'd still get my head around that. All of that is made up. Imagine if you lived on, like, Cake Street. Yeah. So, Cupcake Street? Stop it. Does cake mean anything to them over there?

I don't think so. They're like, that's a pudding. I don't think they know what cake is. Everything's a pudding. That's a pudding. That's a pudding. What are you having for pudding? I'll probably pudding.

I'll probably ice cream. Oh, okay. Okay. An ice cream pudding? What are you? What's the system here? What are they talking about? The system doesn't make sense.

What the heck? I know. They need to call us. They're friends down under. Yep. And we've got systems for, words yeah you know like um uh if you if you if you if you cut potatoes into slices chips yep if you cut them into like wedges their chips if you cut them into like uh sort of like

long sticks their chips yep yeah so you know it's easy it's easy it just makes sense same as like park car park yeah other places i'll say that's a that's a parking lot you know that's those parking spaces. It's just, they're all car parks. It's all car parks. The one on the side of the road, that's a car park. I'm looking for a car park. The building where you've got multiple levels.

That's a car park. The one on the street, off the side. Yeah. It's a car park. In your house. That's a car park. The one that's like very green and has a playground in it. Car park.

That's, yeah. The way I park. Yeah. Move out the way children. Wherever I leave my car. It's a car park. Anyway, so we got onto that. because of pudding lane he's on putting what's his name again Thomas Fariner beautiful so he was

a baker the oven it seems like it wasn't properly um extinguished and uh the fire started he and his family were luckily able to escape the burning building by climbing out an upstairs window and getting across to a neighbor's house see the jetty's work mm hmm for escape true but tragically one of the family's uh maid servants was too frightened to try and climb the window and unfortunately she perished in the fire which is awful neighbors tried to douse the fire but it was quickly taking over around an hour after the fire started parish constables arrived and said that the adjoining houses should be demolished to prevent the fire from spreading quickly that was their firefighting method just start breaking shit down what great news that it'd be

you get working up middle of the night um your house is getting demolished why well for safety yeah uh do you want to stay in or out of the house we're doing we are pulling it down. It's coming down. It's already started. Yeah. So we're only doing, as a courtesy, we're letting you know. Honestly, I've only been able to enter because I have pulled off the front of your house. Yeah. Did you not think that was weird? I'm talking to you where a wall usually is. Yeah, I'm standing on the street. Okay, get out of bed. So they know the house that started the fire. Not only the house, they know that it started from the oven. Yeah. Imagine starting a fire that ends up being known

is great and is being talked about... But sarcastic great. Yeah. I'd love to start a fire that people are like, that fire was fucking great. But no, this is bonfire. Yeah. Everyone goes, what a great fire.

Saw a video of a guy hitting a flaming golf ball to lighter bonfire. That's a great fire. That's a great fire. This one, though. Really? What have you missed? I guess the bonfire's over there now. Move the stuff.

Quick, quick, quick. Move it over there. So that's a great fire, but what's this one? Yeah. What is it? Ah, I think this one's a devastating fire. From Wikipedia again, the methods of firefighting at the time

included the use of long sticks with hooks on the end, which were used to pull down buildings adjacent to those burning. What do you mean you could just pull down a building using a hook? That's how shit the building's work. You could just pull a building down, just what, single-handed, or do you think you needed a few people?

And it feels like they're almost like, I'm not going to give the fire the satisfaction of destroying the building. I'll destroy you first. cop that fire, I made the choice. And they leave all the broken up bits and pieces of the building there. Yeah. In a nice little pile. In a pile.

Yeah. Put some paper in it. But then technically if the insurance company asks, no, it wasn't a fire, we elected to tear the building down. Yeah, and that's fine. So you're not covered. Yeah. This was meant to contain the fire by removing material it could spread to. However, this was also

Destruction of Property Which was, I love that it says And was considered a serious matter Yeah, no shit Pulling down a house People are going to ask some questions about it Oh, I live there Excuse me, officer

Is that blood that's my air I'm just back from the pub Some man's pulling me house down with a hook What's going on here? What do? Ma if you go fishing, you're fishing up the wrong. tree, the coin a phrase. Who are these characters?

Because I think Matt's playing your wife. Yeah. You both just back from the pub? Yeah. Well, I was waiting in the horse and carriage. Yeah, he was in the car park. Yeah. That's some of my friends might call it.

Yeah. From there and under. I says, Mary, I've had enough. I'm up to Pussy's bow of the lager. And now it's time to go home. He's bloated. been looking up, Billy. Confetting I won in.

Come fit, no one in. I tried. I try. He tried, back. I couldn't even get Walker's Crisp down there. Tell you what, it is. It's maturity, isn't it, Gavin? It's maturity.

Yeah, 13 years ago, I wouldn't have made this choice. But I'm going to call it. 30 years ago, you were about a spewing gone again. But now, just after midnight, better go home. And I thought, we'll get a bakery treat on the way home. Oh, the baker's bloody on fire! What the bloominack we see? What the blooming egg?

It's normally quite handy to live right close next to the baker. Oh, freshest bread you'll ever have. Freshest bread, by the way, how's that smell? Oh, lovely. I love a waft of that. Oh, get up my nostrils. Oh, that's fantastic that is. Suck it in, but now I'm strong.

Ash, smell in the air. Smell in the ash. That was the name of the help. Ironic, really? If you think about it. That's actually makes sense. What way to go? Right.

So that, you know, that gives you a good idea of the tone. You know, people were obviously very concerned about them pulling down their houses. What the fuck? Having just returned from the pub. Pulling down a house with a hook. I know, crazy. A weird sight to come. You think you.

Maybe I had one too many down the local... Oh, my bloody seeing things. Local pub. So, naturally, the owners of the surrounding homes protested. And the Lord Mayor, Sir Thomas Bloodworth, was summoned... That's an incredible name. To weigh in and make the call. I wouldn't trust that guy, so...

Yeah, that's a villain. Yeah, that's a villain's name. Oh, you are so correct. So Bloodworth arrives, and he says no to demolishing the other houses. It's possible that he just didn't want people to complain, or he didn't want to deal with the aftermath or he genuinely didn't think it was a big concern. They're not really sure, but he was just kind of like,

because people are like, you can't pull down our house. I mean, this is before house insurance. So they're kind of like, if you pull down our place, we have nowhere to live. It's sort of a gamble. Like the fire might spread to my house, but it also might not. And then I don't have a house anyway.

So he's kind of gone, yeah, no, no, no, don't pull the houses down. One source said that he was hesitating because a number of properties were rented and the owners couldn't be found. It's the wee hours of the morning. morning, it's not really for the renters to say, yes, you can pull the house down. According to Samuel Pepys, I never looked up how to say his name, so we're just going to call him Peppas.

He's not famous for the diary. Yes, that's right. He was a writer and politician at the time, and it diarized a lot of things. So he has records of lots of things of these times, so he comes up a lot. But according to him, Bloodworth expressed a lack of concern that the fire would become dangerous, saying that a woman might piss it out before retirement. turning to his home and going back to sleep. Oh, great idea.

Do they think of that? Oh, my, I could do that right now. And a woman piss. So, like, a little one. Yeah. You know what? When I open up the barn doors, let out.

My. Wasn't always barn doors. They was it. That was after the children. No, I've had 17 children. Before that, more like a cat flap. Oh, I was toyed back then. Or was toyed as.

But no, not me. The barn door. I open up the barn door. Could you piss out a fire? I could piss out, I could piss out a bushfire. Yeah, right. Yeah, that's... Oh, we need to fly you over instead of those Hercules planes.

Oh, my nickname for my, uh, never regions. Yes. He's Elvis. Yeah. Oh, Elvis left the building a long time. Oh, my God. So she doesn't have nether regions anymore? Okay. I don't want to ask any further questions.

So is he saying that's a piece of shit fire? He's like, it's nothing. That's going to be nothing. A woman could piss that out. I'm saying a woman. Yeah, you got me up at midnight for this. Yeah. Don't even worry about it.

So he goes home, goes to bed. Great. Which I think is a great thing for a leader to do in a crisis. He doesn't hold a hose, mate. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's an admin guy. Yeah. So, putting Lane is very close to the Thames and London Bridge.

So as the fire spread to nearby buildings, residents were loading whatever they could save onto flat-bottom barges called lighters. Flat-bottom barges make the rocking world go round, yeah. Okay, we're, all right. One-man band over here. I was letting you eat solo. That was your time to shine. Didn't need you. So the fire spread quickly in the high wind.

By mid-morning, people abandoned attempts to extinguish the fire and instead fled. So it was catching very quickly. An estimated 300 homes had already been destroyed. This is by, like, later in the morning. By the fire or by hooks? Hooked. Fire.

They weren't hooked in. So they didn't hook any. No, they might have, but yeah. And our houses along London Bridge were now burning as well. So as I was saying before, just for a visual image, the Thames sort of runs horizontally along, and then the Roman wall makes a little semicircle. So the city centre is separated by wall and river, which means that people trying to evacuate

only have a few gates they can escape from. I think it was eight. So instead of just being able to go whoop and just dispersed from anywhere, they have to go to a gate, there's bottlenecks, it gets pretty hectic. Pedestrians with hand carts and goods were still on the move away from the fire, obviously heavily weighed down, so they're moving kind of slowly. They put their valuables in parish churches away from the direct threat of fire. fire, and the moving human mass and their bundles and carts made the lanes impassable for firemen and carriages.

So there's like hundreds, thousands of people trying to get out, people trying to get in to put out the fire, and it's just absolute chaos. Gridlock. By this time, the king had been informed of the fire, and he commanded that the houses be pulled down to slow and hopefully prevent the fire from spreading. That's King Charles. His brother James, Duke of York, offered the use of the royal lifeguards to help fight the fire, And I also imagine teenage lifeguards at local pools,

but the Royal Lifeguards are the most senior regiment of the British Army. Okay. Just in case anybody else didn't know that. Anyone else, yeah. It was maybe picturing nippers. Yeah, little hats. Yeah. I was picturing the Hoff.

Oh, yeah. Solo. Yeah. Him and one of those little, red little life-saving devices. Yeah, little floating. Yeah. I was picturing. Well, now I'm picturing Pamela Anderson.

Unrelated, though. Next to the hoff. Yes. Jogging along. Yep. Towards the fire. They've just got a look in their eye. They're going to fix this.

I believe in them. Dido-d-da-da-da-do-do-do-dun. Great theme. Such a great theme. I can't think of any other. Phelpsi was there from maybe season one. Oh, season one, yeah. And who was the kid?

Hobie. I was going to say, I don't know a name where the first letter changed from a normal name to a Toby to Hobie. Oh, I'm like, is it like, Was his name like, Mave or, you know, like, Tarath? Tarith, yeah, something like that. Dwayne. Dwayne.

So, yeah, James Duke of York, he says, we'll send in the Royal Lifeguards. Adrian Tenniswood, who I'll mention a bit, he's written extensively about this fire. He wrote that Peppers found Bloodworth trying to coordinate the firefighting efforts and near collapse like a fainting woman, crying out, plaintiff. in response to the king's message that he was pulling down houses. But, and then they quote, but the fire overtakes us faster than we can do it. Holding on to his dignity and civic authority,

he refused James's offer of more soldiers and then went home to bed. I am doing a good job. Good night. I am pulling that houses. I went to bed. That is so weird. He's really skomoing it, isn't he? He's learning the ukulele at home.

hanging out in Hawaii Yeah King Giles II sailed down from Whitehall in the Royal Barge That's so funny A Royal Barge Get me on to the Royal Barge

He came down to inspect the scene He found that houses Was still not being pulled down In spite of Bloodworth's assurance That he was I am And he overrored the authority of Bloodworth to order wholesale

Demolitions west of the Fire Zone So now they're finally starting To actually pull down houses To try and stop the spread by Sunday afternoon the fire had become a raging firestorm meaning it was now so intense and powerful that it was creating its own wind system so it's really like...

Oh my God, they've succeeded. The fires become more... The king's like, oh my God! Not even I control the wind. Panicking. This wind is out of my jurisdiction. Get the army. Get the knights. By Sunday evening, it was already the most damaging fire

to strike London in living memory, is a quote there. travelled 500 metres or 1,600 feet, west along the river. The fire continued to spread over the following three days. That's bad. It's bad. On Monday, the fire continued, obviously, the Thames blocked off the fires spread to the south, although, as I mentioned, buildings on London Bridge were on fire,

and the bridge was the only physical connection between the city and the south side of the river. So the fire continued to burn across the bridge, looking like it might endanger the borough of Suffolk. Luckily, a really bad fire they'd had in 1633 had burnt a lot of the buildings on London Bridge down and there was now a gap slash open space between some of the buildings which ended up acting like a firebreak this time. Perfect.

So isn't that great? A bit of back burning. Beautiful. Yeah, that's what they need to do, burn a few houses. Yeah. For the great or good. Yeah. So the south is safe-ish but the fire is spreading west and north.

the northern spread was of course very concerning because that was where the wealthy people lived No no no no no no Get the fire out of me Get the fire out of him Tennis Wood again writes that The houses of the bankers in Lombard Street began to burn on Monday afternoon

prompting a rush to rescue their stacks of gold coins before they melted Very Scrooge McDark Oh the coins I also like that they were sort of like Well we're fine Yeah Fire doesn't hurt the rich

Is that where blood-worthy He kept going to sleep back in the rich quarters. Yeah, surely. He's not sleeping in a spot just down the road. It's soon to be on fire. No, because I don't think he could sleep in, you know, a thatched roof. Like, it's got to be in here. You know, some people are just like, oh, I sleep better in my bed.

You know, he's one of the place. I sleep better on my bed fanned by peasants. Yes. And me too. The strong winds carried sparks long distances catching on more thatched roofs and wooden buildings, causing seemingly unrelated house fires to break out far from their source and giving rise to rumours that fresh fires were being set on purpose. Oh, no.

And who would they blame? Oh, peasants. Foreigners. Foreigners. Foreign peasants. Yeah, foreign peasants. The second Anglo-Dutch War was still ongoing, so rumours and suspicions quickly spread,

and by Monday they were circulating reports of imminent invasion and of foreign undercover agents seen casting fireballs into houses or caught with hand grenades and matches. Whoa. So this like gossip just spread. It was just a fire in an oven. Dutch oven. Dutch oven.

Mm-hmm. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Matt is you, Dave. Mm-hmm. That's a good point. Yeah.

I've got no case to answer. That's crazy. Yeah. It's a funny idea to like, we're going to take over this great city, the third biggest city in the Western world. How are we going to do it? By burning it to the ground. Yeah, we're going to destroy it.

Then it will all be ours, all the dust. Yeah, I don't like what they've done with it. Yes. Let's just demolish and rebuild it. It's a real fixer up. Yeah, you know what? I'm thinking of it more as like I'm taking the land. Yes.

You know, not the building itself. Your enemies think your city is a knockdown. Yeah, that'd be offensive. We get a grid going here. Yeah. That will come up. Tell you what, it's a mess. Yeah, it's crazy.

Melbourne, that's a good. grid? Yeah. Beautiful. Perfect city. Adelaide, that's a grid. Beautiful city. There's others.

There's others. There's others. List goes on. Hoddle, I think Hoddle went around the world designing grid city city. Gritting it up. You got to grid it up. The man loved a grid. He'd love that grid paper.

Oh, so you love that. He'll be boning up in his grave right now. Yeah. Just with the idea of it. Half chub, minimum. Minimum. Minimum. I'm half chubb.

I reckon getting close to a fully. Yeah, fully chub. So they're blaming foreigners. These tensions snowballed into a wave of street violence as well. It didn't help the communication methods were also heavily impacted by the fire.

So the general letter office, which handled all of England's post, burnt down early on Monday morning. So no kind of mail can get around. The London Gazette had just managed to put out their Monday issue before their printer also burnt down. So word of mouth, is basically all that people had, and there was this panicked and frenzied air to the city.

I think, I mean, that's probably, like, newspapers and letters are all very flammable anyway. True. So I think, like, famously great fire starters, you know? Yeah. Scrunch up newspaper. Yep. Great way to kick off a fire. See, and that's just another thing that Instagram has over newspapers and letters.

Yeah. Because you could spread news so easily on that. Yes. And say, hey, guys. Apart from those. Get ready with me for Great Fire. Yeah. By the way, it's not foreigners.

It was an oven. Yeah. But also, I'll be able to use the same device say it's foreign. Yeah. I mean, maybe about 50%. That's interesting, yeah. Say it is foreigners. Don't worry, if you don't believe it's foreigners.

You won't say that in your feed. No. And you'll think no one thinks this. Yeah. That's the thing. We could have fragmented society into two, at least two distinct. realities even back then imagine how much the world could have changed

there could be two londons could be two londons there can only be one london oh is it like that movie with Sean Connery yeah where there can only be one yeah I thought so

this has come up before I didn't get it last time Highlander we got a lot of comments I think AJ even jumped in and that he understood what was going on. He has to save us sometimes. Sorry, it looks bad.

So everyone's panicked and frenzied and there's a weird vibe. Understandably, it's a big fire but the rumours of like, oh, there's a foreigner that's set in fires. It rose to a collective paranoia and the military groups focused less on firefighting

and more on rounding up foreigners and anyone else appearing suspicious, arresting them, rescuing them from mobs or both. That's so bad. Let's not put out the fire. Let's focus our energy on the rest of these people. Where are you from?

Did you start the fire? I guess if you believe that the reason the fire is spreading is because people are setting fires, your prevention is better than the cure. Wow. To corner phrase. Because a fire will put itself out eventually. Yeah.

But a foreigner won't suddenly not be foreign. And they, you know, the foreigners will breed. Big thing of rain won't make them not foreign anymore. No, that's right. Their kids will be foreign. I actually know their kids won't be foreign, all they? So he just wait it out either way. I guess, yeah.

Just do nothing. No wonder, blood where they give you on a bed. He's like, I don't sort of self. It'll pass. Nothing solves a problem better than a good night's sleep. Yeah. So chaos is happening everywhere. And it seems a little bit laughable now

because they seem to be doing everything but focusing on the fire. This is another quote. The inhabitants, especially the upper class, were growing desperate to remove their belongings from the city. This provided a source of income for the able-bodied poor, who hired themselves out as porters, sometimes simply making off with the goods, being especially profitable for the owners of carts and boats.

Hiring a cart had cost a couple of shillings the week before the fire. On Monday, it rose to as much as 40 pound, a fortune equivalent to roughly 133,000 pounds in 2021. Oh my God. Last week it was a couple of shillings. Now it's a hundred and thirty three thousand pounds. I open up the uber up. Fares are slightly lower.

They're surging. That's so good news if you're a card owner. Yeah. That didn't have them burned down. But even like even if you don't have a cart, they would just be like, I will, I'll carry your stuff for you to safety. And they'd make a little bit of money that way. Or sometimes just steal the stuff.

Yeah. Which is pretty funny. And get paid to do it. Imagine figuring out a scam where you get paid to rob people. But imagine having a cart and being like, yeah, absolutely, I'll take your stuff for you. That'll be 40 pound, which is, it's like us saying, I'll help you move for $130,000. Yes. But the only people who they would be able to do that to are people who have way too much money.

Mega wealth. Exactly right. Anyone with a cart came to London to get a piece of the action. So lots of people are trying to leave. Other people are like, fuck you, I'll get, I'll take my cart into a. Charching. So then that caused issues because the carts took up so much space and it caused a bottleneck. And then that blocked panicked inhabitants who were trying to get out.

So it's just absolute chaos. The chaos at the gates was so significant that the magistrates briefly ordered the gates shut in the hopes of turning the inhabitants' attention from safeguarding their own possessions to fighting the fire. So they lock them in and say, guys, stop trying to save your stuff and run away. start pissing on this fire. Yeah, ladies. Ladies, please, if you could have a big sip of water and do what comes down. Not just using the water.

They're drips in the water. Now, just wait a couple of hours. Here we go. Ready we go. Okay. That's a pretty bizarre choice. But they're locked in. Yeah, they're like, close the gates.

Stop focusing on trying to get away from the fire. Start focusing on putting the fire out. And I think that makes, I think that's a really good point. Great. Yeah. So, again, from Wiki, Monday marked the beginning of organized action, even as order broke down in the streets, especially at the gates, and the fire raged unchecked. Bloodworth was responsible as Lord Mayor for coordinating the firefighting, but he had apparently left the city. His name is not mentioned in any accounts of Monday's events.

He just left. He was like, oh, I'm going to go. There's a fire. He can blame. He needs his sleep. Yeah. And there's a lot of racket going on. He sleeps better at his beach house's bed.

And so you can't hold that against him, Dave. Sleep's very important. What a piece of shit. Dave, for holding that guy away from sleep. I agree. Yeah, I won't let him sleep. I pinch him. Yeah, Bloodworth's not great.

Mayor Bloodworth. He just kind of fucks off. In this state of emergency, the king put his brother James, Duke of York, in charge of operations. James was set up, James set up command posts on the perimeter of the fire. and he had sort of three people in charge of each post with authority from Charles himself to order demolitions. So they're like, pull shit down. James and his guards rode up and down the streets all Monday

rescuing foreigners from the mob and attempting to keep order. The Duke of York hath won the hearts of the people with his continual pain. Wait, and that's a word I cannot say. Racist? No. I just don't know. It's got letters that make more sense.

Indefatigable. Because I'm really good at pronouncing things. You can't see that from there. Indefatigable. Means they just won't tire. Can't be fatigued. Can't be fatigued. Is that right?

Persisting tirelessly. Yes. Well done, Maddie. You said a word. Well, I mean, I don't know what I said it right. Yeah, I don't think so. There's something like that. Anyway, he really won over the people because he was, you know,

actually doing something. Right. Was that a quote you were reading from a newspaper? Yeah, from a witness. Yeah, it wasn't me just saying that and then going, I don't know this word. I wrote it in a flurry. I also didn't say hath.

Yeah, the lead up to it was fantastic. Yeah. Duke of York hath won the hearts of the people. That was written by witness. Is he the grand old Duke of York? No, he's the great. Duke of York. Great.

Yeah, he's great. Oh, great. So he's not the one that had 10,000 men? I can neither confirm nor deny So many had hoped that the massive stone walls of Bainard's castle would hold against the flame But by Monday evening, it too was up in flames A stone castle burnt down Yeah

And it only got worse Wow, I'm surprised There's only been like two days now Tuesday was the day of the most destruction The Duke of York had set up a command post assuming that the River Fleet would form a natural firebreak. Is that River Fleet or River Fleet Wood? River Fleet Wood, Mac.

But early on Tuesday morning, the flames jumped the fleet, forcing them to quickly make a run for it. So it's now crossing water. Right, he's standing there being like, don't worry, guys. He's like, can't get me. He's like Benny and the Mummy. Kind of? Not really. Look, he's on the wrong side of the river.

Yeah. He's sitting there like, try me fire. And the fire's like, okay, great. He's like, the fire. Damn it. What have you found, Medi? There's been, they're not sure who it is necessarily. This is the Grand Old Duke of York.

Grand old Duke of York, yeah. But James II is one of the candidates listed at least on Wiki. but so it says Richard Duke of York who lived 1411 to 1460 James II who you're just talking about now I think 1633 to 1701 but the most common attribution

is to Prince Frederick Duke of York and Albany who lived 1763 to 1827 This is pre this is pre-grand old Duke of York The song's older but it's like it's evolved But initially it was about the King of France Apparently

Oh And it was, yeah, it was first sung, supposedly, the oldest one that's surviving version of was from 1642. AJ, I added that out if that was as dull as it felt. I did feel dull. So catching you up, the fire has jumped the river. It's dumped, it's dumped Fleetwood Mac. Where's this Jai Jai the jumping fire guy? Yep.

Bloody hell. Do you don't remember Jai Jai the jumping guy? No. Jumping Jait. Yeah, jump you're a shirama. Yes. I'm just going to say yes. Okay.

Is the long jumper that got the silver medal despite like smoke and douries and eating pizza during training? That's awesome. Yeah, it was pretty sick. See, sometimes I'm like, I wish I had, I wish I'd love to be more of an athlete. And I'm like, well, maybe I'm just thinking of the wrong sports. Yeah. Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong body type of athlete. Like, maybe I could be like, well, I aspire to be a shop putter kind of.

Yeah. Shopput, disc, darts. A rugby prop A leg spin bowler A warn eater Yes The dream So okay

We're on to Tuesday Through the day The flames began to move Eastward From the neighbourhood of pudding lane Straight against the prevailing East winds

And towards the Tower of London With its gunpowder stores No Have they been shipping that out So a lot of the Particularly along the river There's a lot And I think I'm going to talk about

In a sec but there's lots of like merchants and stuff like that who are selling things to ships like gunpowder and other flammable things. So there's huge stores of it where the fire is. Oops. It's a big oops. The garrison at the tower took matters into their own hands

after waiting all day. They'd requested help from James's official firemen who were a little busy in the west having the fire just jumped the river at them. So these garrisons took it into their own hands. They created firebreaks by blowing up houses on a large scale in the vicinity, halting the advance of the fire.

Sorry, blowing up. They just blew up houses. Wow, that's a powerful hook. With its thick stone walls and a wide empty plaza which could serve as a firebreak, it was assumed St. Paul's Cathedral would be safe.

It had been crammed full of rescued goods. They put a whole bunch of stuff in there that they want to keep safe, and the crypt gets filled with tightly packed stocks of printers and booksellers, However, as it was undergoing restoration At the direction of Christopher Wren The church was covered in wooden scaffolding

Oh no This caught fire on Tuesday night And within half an hour The lead roof was melting And the books and papers in the crypt were burning The cathedral was quickly a ruin Oh no So they'd put a bunch of their stuff there like

It's stone Yeah This will be fine They didn't notice the The wooden scaffolding Whoops By late on Tuesday Tuesday, the wind dropped enough for the fire breaks to be effective by Wednesday morning,

so the wind's dropping just enough. Peppers climbed to the steeple of Barking Church, from which he viewed the destroyed city, and said, the saddest sight of desolation that I ever saw. Several smaller fires were still burning. In fact, coal was still found burning in cellars two months later. Wow. But the Great Fire was finally over. The Great Fire.

There were still little fires. Right. But the big one, the firestorm with its own windstorm. system that has died down. Big ones. Gosh. Countless now homeless people had settled in encampments in Moorfields, a large public park north of the city. Most refugees camped in any nearby available unburned area

to see if they could salvage anything from their home. So a lot of them tried to sort of stay close-ish to their home so that when the fire settles they could get in and see what they could salvage from Tennis Wood again. The mood was now so volatile that Charles feared a full-scale London rebellion, against the monarchy. Food production and distribution had been disrupted to the point of non-existence. So Charles announced that supplies of bread would be brought into the city every day

and market set up around the perimeter. Oh, but you know who makes bread? Bake it. A bit triggering. That's where this whole thing started. Yeah, that actually feels a bit on the nose. Come on. Too soon.

Yeah, a bit insensitive. But they're bringing them in from the outside and you know who started the fires, outsiders. So can't really win, can you? Yeah, there's no good way to... You need to bring them in from the inside, but not from a baker. Yeah. Someone else has to make this bread.

Yeah. Maybe blood worthy? Yeah. Did you go through a bread making phase in lockdown by any chance? No. Me either. No. Yeah.

It's a few cliches. I'm like, I don't relate to that at all. Haircuts? Oh, yeah. I did get my several of haircuts. Yeah, just in lockdown. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that hasn't continued or anything.

No. And started before that. once again fear of foreign invasion ran high among the victims of the fire on wednesday night a light in the sky over fleet street caused panic and a story quickly spread that it was an uprising of french and dutch immigrants who were marching towards them to murder and pillage holy shit they're like there's a light they're coming the light turned out to be a flare up east of inner temple so just another smallish

fire oh wow who would have started that the french the dutch the duchies so now that the fire is over obviously there's a lot to do and a lot of people without homes in terms of the scale of the destruction it was pretty immense between 13,200 and 13,500 houses were destroyed that's so many along with 86 or 87 parish churches 44 company halls the royal exchange the custom house some paul's cathedral the bridwell palace and other city prisons the general letter office and the three western city gates ludgate new Gate and Alders Gate.

So it's a lot. The monetary value of the loss was estimated at around 9 to 10 million pounds, which would be more like $2 billion now. It's a lot. A lot of destruction. It's a lot of money. It destroyed approximately 15% of the city's housing. 15%.

That's awful. Where do they all go? Where do they go? Surprisingly, in a fire of this size, the death toll is believed to be quite small. Different historians give different figures. Historian Porter gives the figure. as eight. Tennis Wood says single figures, although he adds that some deaths must have gone unrecorded and that besides direct deaths from burning and smoke inhalation, refugees

also perished in the impromptu camps. So there was no, like, there weren't many people who literally died in the fire itself, but obviously... Are you like literally eight, not eight thousand? No. Like single digits. Is it because it's like quite, it's very ferocious fire, but quite slow moving it sounded, kind of thing, it just kept going a bit by bit. So people have just time to get away. but obviously everything gets destroyed. Yeah, it really seemed like it, um, you know, it was over the, it's a lot of destruction over the course of four days, but yeah, it seemed like people had a lot of time to, like,

the fact that they've like locked the gates and said, ah, put it the fires out. Maybe it was that it was moving fairly slowly. I'm like, well, those people are gone. That's awful. Totally. Yeah, but no. So, but. Wow.

Another writer Hansen takes issue with the idea that there were only a few deaths, um, saying like, there were known deaths. from hunger and exposure among survivors of the fire who were huddled in shacks or living amongst the ruins that had once been their homes and there was a very cold winter that followed so when they say the single digits it seems like yes that people who actually perished directly as a result of the fire very low number but obviously it had a huge impact on so many different things that other deaths probably resulted from that if that makes sense right yeah i mean the the dramatist james shirley and his wife are believed to have died

this way, like huddled in their the ruins of their home. Tell me about them. Oh, I didn't even write anything because I thought David just, I've just left a gap there to say, Dave. Yes, Shirley. Fantastic.

And we miss him, and his wife. And we miss him? Do you know the name? No, I actually don't know the name. James Shirley. James Shirley, I'm afraid. Let's have a look. He, you know, descendant of the Shirley's from Warwick.

Oh, right. Warwick. Warwick. While we're doing names, also I should say, and I had a feeling on this, so I wanted to double-check. It's Samuel Peeps. Peeps, thank you. Peeps. Peppers is more fun, though.

Peppers is way more fun. So if you had already tweeted, well, first, though, we don't look at Twitter anymore, but if you'd already commented or started running a post in the Patreon group or something and say, oh, you have five seconds to go and delete that. Five seconds. Peeps, thank you. Should I have looked it up? Of course I should, but I didn't.

I have the feeling, but I'm like, if I interject you and I'm wrong, I will sound like an idiot, so I had to quietly torture. Okay. Well, as long as you've made it clear that you were pretty sure that Jess was wrong. And I was pretty sure that I know James Shirley. Okay, great. From the great Shirley clan of Warwick. That's right.

I'm looking at his... Dave's on fire right now. Put him out. He's written a lot of stuff. Quite prolific. But obviously, you lost his home and then... I think so, yeah. From there, sort of died in poverty.

It's awful. Yep. Hang on. Later life and death. He survived into the reign of Charles II, but did not again attempt to write for the stage. Wood said that Shirley, age 70, and his second wife died of fright and exposure after the Great Fire of London. Oh. Died of fright. Wow. So yes, like we're saying, lots of other circumstances because of the fire that probably led to quite a lot of people losing their lives. Hansen also says that given the magnitude, to the firestorm, which is much bigger and hotter than an ordinary house fire, it would

have been hot enough to fully consume bodies or leave only a few skeletal remains. So with that in mind, he thinks that the death toll could be more than six or eight, and possibly even in the hundreds or even thousands. So it's pretty contested, but generally, most historians say it was, you know, single digits. Such a big difference between eight and thousands. Isn't that crazy? Surely people would be reporting. He's like, yeah, he's having a guess, obviously.

So he's like, yeah, it could be much higher than that. Could be. Could be. Hundreds or thousands. Thousands even. Millions, probably. You're like, oh, I don't. That's more than people lived in the whole city.

Could be millions. Could be millions. Could be. People might have been there on holiday. Prove it. It wasn't. Prove it. Prove it.

You can't, can you? Show me a lack of evidence. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't do it. Nice try.

Gotcha. Gotcha. I gotcha. What was his name? I don't know. Yeah. Don't even know your name, prick. Hanson.

Hanson. Just been told your name. Won't remember it, though. What's his name? What was he? Hansen. What was that? Sorry, he'll distract you.

So beautiful. You are so. You're so handsome. Can I have your number? I can see why people just listen to what you say. Yeah. Fantastic. Because they're not really listening.

They're just lost in your eyes. Tell you what, hundreds of thousand people have died just by looking how beautiful you are. Handsome. Handsome. Just looking at you, I forget to eat. Yeah. Ever again? I'm hungry, Hanson.

I'm dying afright. Maybe we could get a bite. What do you think, handsome? Should we get out here? Hey, I'm, uh, yeah, I don't know. I'm not really vibe with this joint. This energy is bizarre. You went from yelling at this guy and are just like flirting.

Because all these people that, like, you want to dislike him, but then you see his facing him. Oh, my God. A real Jess Bergenstein. Yes. You want to dislike it. Yeah. to. They say, oh, I wish I could hate you. And, uh, but I want to mate with you. That's right.

And I say, no, thank you. Or do I? No, I do. Okay. So the, how did they handle this? What do they do? The court of aldermen sought to quickly begin clearing debris and reestablish food supplies. By the Saturday after the fire, the markets were operating well enough to supply the people at more fields. King Charles II encouraged the homeless to move away from London and settle elsewhere and issued a proclamation that all cities and towns were to receive these people without hesitation. They're like, let them in, let them set up somewhere. If they've got to trade, you know, let them work. They were trying to encourage people to, yeah, go settle elsewhere. The first half of that was pretty bad. I thought he was just being like, I don't care where you go, but you can't

stay here. But he has ordered other people to be kind to them, at least. He's like, open your city gates to them, please. And it sounds like that they listen to everything the king says, like demolishing buildings or building certain styles of houses in the first place. But the ones that already hate his dad and him. They'd be like, duh, yeah, telling us what to do, hey, prick. Yeah, ah, you're trying to get people to welcome me with open arms, I yeah? Oh, you son of a bitch. Despite the monarch also proclaiming that people were forbidden from spreading rumors of disorder,

Londoners were still inclined to blame the fire on foreigners. I still am. Particularly Catholics, the French and the Dutch. military were put on guard and foreigners were arrested in locations throughout England so it's created this like political unrest as well. A committee was established to investigate the cause of the Great Fire, chaired by Sir Robert Brooke. Not surprisingly, it received countless submissions

alleging a conspiracy of foreigners wanting to destroy London. Probably the most famous person accused was a French watchmaker named Robert Hubert, who, for reasons that escaped me, claimed he was a member of a gang that had started the Great Fire in Westminster. He later changed his story to say he'd started the fire at the bakery in putting lane. He was convicted and hanged in October of 1666. Now, I say it's baffling to me. That's because after his death, it became apparent that he had been on board a ship in the North Sea

and had not arrived in London until two days after the fire had started. Oh, my God. And he was hanged for it. Yep. For reasons that escape you. Me personally. Huh. He said he started the fire.

He was not there. Right. There you go. What's this guy like? What the heck? Is someone pressuring him into saying it? Very confusing. So from Wikipedia, it says,

Despite the many obvious flaws and impossibilities in Hugh Baer's confession, a scapegoat was needed. Even the king, Charles II, was suspected of having instigated it in order to punish the people of London for the execution of his father. So by hanging this innocent French man, it hopefully quelled, it like... Settled down some of the, they're like, great, we got him. Yeah, okay, it feels a bit like what he was forced to confess.

Very confusing. He was on a ship. He was not there. Overseas, the fire was almost celebrated. In the Dutch Republic, the Great Fire of London was seen as a divine retribution for Holmes's bonfire, the burning of a Dutch town by English forces during the Second Anglo-Dutch War. In Italy, a pamphlet circulated comparing London to Lucifer in its proud arrogance and its spectacular fall. And in Spain, the fire was seen as a parable of Protestant wickedness.

So, a lot of sympathy from other countries. A lot of sympathy. Sockton! In terms of the firefighting side of things, the Thames was right there. It offered water for firefighting and the chance of escape by boat. But the poorer districts along the riverfront had stores and cellars of combustibles, which increased the fire risk. That's what I was mentioning before.

All along the wharves, the rickety wooden tenements and tar paper shack, of the poor were shoehorned amongst old paper buildings and the most combustible matter of tar, pitch, hemp, rosen and flax. So lots of things that very easily combust. London was also full of gunpowder, especially along the riverfront where ship chandlers, so like retailers, filled wooden barrels with their stocks. So there's so many things that meant the fire I was just going to keep on spreading. The high Roman wall, enclosing the city impeded escape from the inferno, restricting exit to eight narrow gates, like I said before. During the first couple of days, few people had any notion of fleeing the burning city

altogether. They would remove what they could carry of their belongings to a safer area. Some moved their belongings in themselves four to five times in a single day. So instead of just leaving, they thought, well, the fire's here, I'll just go over here. Oh, fire's come over here now. Well, I'll just go over here. Did they not moving one house at a time? Just moving bits and pieces.

You've got to point at it and say white rabbit. Ah. Do you remember that? No. Fagely, what's that? Like you're sitting around a campfire. Yeah. And the smoke's blown your way.

Yes. As they're like a superstition. You point it and say white rabbit and it would move away. Oh, I've also done the one when you get the devil's horns with your hand, very heavy metal. And you point that at the smoke. Okay. And the devil will make it go the other way. Right.

Do your biddy? Do you not just have like your friends sitting opposite you at the fire, just doing it back at you? Yeah, yeah. That's why it sort of really bounces around. You're going to say who's more in touch with the devil. It's exciting. Yours makes more sad. I don't know what the white rabbit thing is from.

Yeah, I haven't heard that, but I'll try it. Might be one of those ones where it just, I was a kid at a time where I'm remembering things from, and it was an injerk the parents had or something. And now you're like, you know, like we all used to do. White rabbit. I still do it. No, I reckon it doesn't work? Still works?

Yeah, still works. I reckon people listening will be like, we used to white rabbit. So why didn't, yeah, you're right. Why didn't they just white rabbit? Yeah. Instead of moving four or five times a day. Or just moving further away from a really big fire. Probably because of the traffic.

They're like, this as far as we get. I'm not sitting in this fucking traffic any longer. I've made it three houses up the road. That should be enough. Yeah, that's enough. Imagine like the smoke inhalation and be awful. Neil Hanson writes, this is your mate, handsome handsome. Oh, I tell you what.

I want to hate him. Fuck out. But he's so hot. But here comes another one. It's a sexy name like Neil. The crucial factor which frustrated firefighting efforts was the narrowness of the streets. Even under normal circumstances, the mix of carts, wagons and pedestrians in the undersized alleys were subject to frequent gridlock and accidents.

Refugees escaping outwards away from the centre of destruction were blocked by soldiers trying to keep the streets clear for firefighters, causing further panic. That's a pretty wild take. No, it's just kind of explaining stuff. Neil, you crazy bastard. So in terms of recovery and rebuild, just to bring it all home, with the fire having destroyed 15% of the city's homes, rebuilding is, of course, a high priority. But how do you take on such a mammoth task?

A special fire court was set up from February of 1667, the aim of which was to deal with disputes between tenants and landlords and decide who should rebuild based on ability to pay. Cases were heard and a verdict. You want me to rebuild your house? I don't think I should rebuild your house. And the landlord's like, well, I mean, that's a little beyond wear and tear, don't we think? Okay. Okay.

It was fine when I gave you the king. You're not getting the bond back, mate. Okay. You know this was not a me thing. This is all around the place. And also, depending on who could afford the bill, obviously renters are usually wealthier than the people that rent from. That's right.

Yeah. If it's not the landlord, then I think if the renter rebuilds, the renter owns it now. That's their house. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's fair. Cases were heard and a verdict was usually given within a day and they kind of did this because without the fire court, lengthy legal proceedings would have seriously delayed the rebuilding

which was necessary if London wanted to recover. So they're just like... The 13,000, but still be doing it. Yeah. So there were several schemes and proposals on how to rebuild and they came from several different people. All were based on a grid system. They're like, fuck this, whatever we've got, let's grid it up.

Yeah. which became prevalent in the American urban landscape. If the city had been rebuilt under some of these plans, London may have rivaled Paris in Baroque Magnificance. Christopher Wren, who is an architect, astronomer, mathematician and physicist, who's now also one of the most acclaimed architects in the history of England, he had a plan that was based on the grid system, and according to archaeologist John Schofield,

Wren's plan would have probably encouraged the crystallization of the social classes into separate areas, similar to Houseman's renovation of Paris in the mid-1800s. Wren's plan was particularly challenging to implement because of the need to redefine property titles. So they're like, yes, we could build it on this nice grid, we could start fresh, but then it's a lot more paperwork because to do it on a grid, I need to cut off a bit of that guy's land. And, you know, so it was messy. The Crown and the city authorities attempted to negotiate compensation for the large-scale

remodeling that these plans entailed, but it was also very unrealistic and it had to be abandoned. With so many people leaving the city, there was a shortage of workers, and those who remained were more concerned with day-to-day survival than getting proper measurements of plots of land and doing paperwork. Get the surveyors in? Yeah. They're like, oh, I'd actually just like to live through the day. So what happened instead was that much of the old street plan was recreated in the new city,

but they made improvements, including better hygiene and fire safety, Wider streets, open and accessible wharves along the length of the Thames, with no houses obstructing access to the river. And most importantly, buildings constructed of brick and stone, not wood. Okay. Finally, they're like, should we get rid of it, do you think? So the rebuilding of London Act of 1666 banned wood from the exterior of buildings regulated the cost of building materials and the wages of workers.

And most private rebuilding was completed by 1671. Oh, not too about considering how widespread destruction was, yeah. New public buildings were created on their predecessor's sites like St. Paul's Cathedral. They just rebuilt it from there. And Christopher Wren, the architect, his office was commissioned because they lost like 85 parish churches. He was commissioned to build 51 replacement churches, many of which still survive today. There you go. That's kind of cool.

And finally, just a little bit of the impact of the fire. In addition to the physical changes to London, the Great Fire had a significant demographic, social, political, economic and cultural impact. The fire caused the largest dislocation of London's residential structure in its history until the Blitz in World War II. The fire seriously disrupted commercial activity as premises and stock were destroyed and victims faced heavy debts and rebuilding costs. And so as a result, economic recovery was very slow. from Wikipedia in 1667 strict new fire regulations were imposed in London to reduce the risk of future fire and allow any fire that did occur to be more easily extinguished. The fire resulted in the emergence of the first insurance companies, starting with Nicholas Barbon's fire office. These companies

hired private firemen and offered incentives for clients who took measures to prevent fires, for example, a cheaper rate for brick versus wooden buildings. Confusion between parish and private firefighting efforts led to the insurance companies in 1832 to form a combined firefighting unit, which would eventually become the London Fire Brigade. Isn't that kind of crazy? I also started private. Yeah. There you go.

One interesting angle is that it's sometimes suggested that the fire saved lives in the long run by burning down so much unsanitary housing with rats and fleas which transmitted the plague the year before. and because the plague epidemics didn't occur in London after the fire so they're like maybe it did good because it just you burnt it all but that's disputed a lot in fact the Museum of London identifies this as a common myth oh really but I thought that's a little bit interesting yeah and on Charles's initiative a monument to the Great Fire of London

was erected near pudding lane designed by Christopher Wren oh that's the mont yeah you can go up there the monument and Robert Hook it's 200 feet tall and it was it took It was constructed between 1671 and 76. It took five years. Pretty cool. And just a final note on our favourite bumbling Lord Mayor, Sir Thomas Bloodworth. Yes, what happened to that old prick?

Well, this is almost in his defence, but Jacob Field notes that although Bloodworth is frequently held culpable by contemporaries, as well as some later historians, for not stopping the fire in its early stages, Field says there was little he could have done, given the state of firefighting expertise, and the socio-political implications of anti-fire action at that time. So he kind of defends him a little bit.

But I think I remember that he was not Lord Mayor for long after that from memory. Yeah, look, not a huge shock. Let's see. He was in office or Lord Mayor. Oh, no, they kicked him out almost immediately. He was in office until from October 1665 to October 1666. So after the fire, they were like, you're out. I think he probably would have enjoyed, you know, not being in office.

Being fired? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, you could probably get some more sleeper, I reckon. Nothing in the way if you don't have to be at the office, nine to five. Some people, you know, find different things relaxing. Maybe carnage and being in charge of stuff like that is what really got him to sleep, though. Yeah, that's because he sees that and he goes, oh, I've got to go home. I'm finally tired. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So then if that's the case, that'd be a bummer. He's got five years

I can't just deal with they rebuild Pretty crazy A bit of shame A bit of shame A shame and never sleep again But that is the story Of the Great Fire of London

1666 Wow There it is It is so It's interesting how London's such a massive city now And it was for its time then But it's kind of

It is like a regional capital now In equivalent And everything about it felt very regional and not regional, but very poorly organised. Right. The regions are well organised. Yes. I don't I would love the regions. I hope the

people of Geelong aren't listening and are you saying that we couldn't put out of fire? I believe you could put out of fire. I know you could. I think you could piss out of fire. I reckon you and I'm talking to the women of Geelong. Yes. You reckon you could piss out of fire easily? Easily. Easily. Don't even have to think about it. Just have a piss.

They should have punished them. mayor by who claimed that he'd be able to piss out the fire. Yeah. And said, all right, have a go. Yeah. And they just, all they do is lie to match and he can't piss it out. They light his house and fire. All right, piss it out.

Piss it out. We got to, well, we'll let it go a little bit first. Yeah, yeah. Whatever you put out, if you put it out in time, you get to keep it. You get to keep the piss part. Yeah. Well, that's fascinating. I can't believe there was a thousand, 13,000 buildings.

Yeah, it was a lot. It really is a big fire. It was a great fire, yes. A really great big fire. It is funny because I was. I'm like, I've blown it out of proportion of my head. I'm like pretty much the whole city burns down. But it is, that would be insane.

Yeah. It's instead just a lot of houses. Yeah, a big chunk of it. And St. Paul's Cathedral. Yes. And the Royal Exchange. It's sort of like, imagine like the CBD. You might not be losing the same number of like residential houses as if like a much, you know, but it's still a lot.

I mean, I think that's not a good example, Jess, because our CBD built on a grid with those beautiful laneways and the coffee culture. How could it burn? No. I'll tell you something that never burns, the beans. The beans never burn. The beans. The milk never burns. They're always roasted a perfection.

That's right. They never burn the milk. Never burn the beans. Not here. I mean, I've travelled around, I'll tell you that. I've had burnt coffees from here to Timbuktu. Not here though Not here

From there to Timbuk 2 Is what I Of course mean Never here Oh it's a couple of times here To be honest Yeah that happens here You can get bad coffee here too

You do get bad of coffee But it's pretty rare It's honestly hard to find bad coffee here It's doable Harder Hard der but it is possible Some people pride themselves on it Yeah

Bad coffee served here Yeah That's right That's right Like we used to They're like This is how it used to be done Back in my

home country, which is normally somewhere it doesn't do good coffee, like Italy or France or something like that. No idea what they do. What would they know? Thank you so much for telling us this story, Jess. I've looked up a Reddit thread about White Rabbit. It's on the camping subreddit.

Oh, so it does exist, obviously. And someone asked, what is your mythical campfire smoke deterrent mantra? and the person who started it they said they have always heard people say I hate rabbits Oh not white rabbit

And then someone else says I believe it's white rabbit And then another person says It's I love white rabbits And then there's another person says I hate white rabbits Oh So there's like lots of variations of it

In Finland there is a saying Savusarabash which translates to The smoke follows the sheepfucker. I did not know what was going there. That's so funny. And you've had the smokefollow you before? Ah, yes. Oh, my word.

That makes sense. The sheepfielder is the sheep fucker. Oh, that's, I love culture so much. Wow. Yeah, there's a, there's, oh. Inboys, we'd always send the new know-it-all kid to all the other troop campsites asking to borrow a left-handed shifter ours was right-handed only yes we mock something up to serve as a righty that's pretty

fun it's fun to bully scout have fun i've always said that so that brings us to everyone's favorite section of the show a lot of people skip to this part welcome to you uh we're in block if you don't know go back and listen to this episode third most voted for topic uh it was a doozy just took us back to 1666. Wow. We didn't even mention that that's like one and then the number of the beasts unless you did. Oh, yes. No, we didn't.

I thought you were going to bring up something else about the year 66. Well, in England, big things happen in the 66's. 1066 is when the conqueror, William, Willie the Sea, came over then 1666, big fire. Yes, big fire. 1966, they won the one-and-only World Cup in the men's soccer. So, who knows what's coming up this century? 66, bit of a lucky year. Yeah, 2066.

I mean, lucky is in a race. I think William the Conqueror, you might have some people saying... Yeah, lucky 66. The fires? Lucky! Lucky! And the football. Do you think I'll be alive in 2066?

Yeah. You said it's so confidently. Yeah, of course. Thank you so much. Yes, but a baby. Butter baby You'll be a butter baby Which is something you need to cut down on

If you want to live to 266 Dave will still be alive as well Yes of course Of course You two kids, of course Now What we do in this last part of the show Is we

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It's great value for money. And while the camera's on me, can I point at them as well? Yeah. Okay, so I just need to get, okay, and. And now back to me. I'm going to join in. Point.

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Now, this part of the show is called Fact Quote or Question, which actually has a jingle go, something like this. Fact Quote or Question. He always remembers the ding. She always remembers the sing. And now the way this part of the show works is people on the Sydney-Sharmberg level get to give us a fact, a quote, or question, or a brag or a suggestion, or really whatever they like.

They also get to give themselves a title. I'm reading out three this week. The first one comes from Michael Derrissy. and Michael's title is Rom Communists. Oh, don't mind if I do. Michael's offering a fact writing, Jess, I'm loving your new podcast. I am a proud Rom Communist. P.S. I love Mr. Aynol.

That's me, isn't it? That's you. Did I get that name on Rom Communists? No. No. Where do I get Mr. Aynol? I don't remember, but it is your name in the group chat now. but I think, yeah, I think there's almost two different things there. It's like Jess loving the new podcast, I'm a rom-communist,

P-S, I love Mr. Aynel, which is you. Yeah. So really, Dave should be offended that he was shaded in that. What the hell, Michael Derizzi? Hmm. Well, no, I think that was an implied love for you. But if anybody's really confused by that, my podcast is called Jess writes a rom-com. J-Walk.

J-Walk. Well, only would I need to shorten it from the spreadsheet. So good. J-Walk. And my dedicated fans have taken on the title that I made up of Rom Communists. They love it. Yeah. And Matt is Mr. Aynal.

Was that from the Cheerful Lithful Podcast Festival? Oh, so I don't even be a released episode. I think it's on the, released as a Patreon episode. Oh, Patreon episode. There you go. Mr. Anil. On the cats? No, was it yours?

Oh. Or was it cats? Doesn't matter. We just did an episode. Because you're cock-a-lorum. That was from a who knew it that is unreleased Anyway Where the fuck did Mr Aynle come from

Well Maybe was that the name of one of the cats No But it's not far off Anyway maybe you could let us know where you heard that Yeah I reckon Michael probably knows Because we've forgotten Thank you so much for that fact

Yeah thank you Michael That's very nice Next one comes from Gaddy J from UK Who has the title of Stay at Home Dad Open bracket maybe to three children in the new year. Fingers crossed emoji closed bracket.

Ooh! That sounded sarcastic. I didn't think so. But it was, okay, great. Okay, great. That's a genuine excitement, but it felt a bit like it sounded like, ooh, like who cares, but we can't deeply. To me, I thought you would do it more like, ooh, Gatty J's boning. Oh.

Because that's kind of, you know. Yep. You could read it that way. I could. But Gary writes, I think they adopt, though, Jess, so I don't think that's really. I knew that, but that doesn't mean they don't bone. That's true. What better way to celebrate.

Gary's got a fact writing, just for the record, there is nothing wrong with drinking shandies. I just want to make it clear. I'm not a beep. Please edit that out, AJ. And I'm also not a murder. Okay. Happy to leave that in.

Happy to leave that in. That's fine. This is a very poor joke that you'd have to have been there to get. Sorry, everyone. Ta-ta for now, plus hope you're all doing well. Okay, I was there for it. Do you want to explain? Yeah.

So Gary Jay, we're after a show, I think maybe it was in Birmingham after the Who Knew It, Love Who Knew It, and Gary Jay is drinking Shandies. Delightful. And someone said that they always thought of Shandies as a bit of a pedo drink. Oh. Whoa. And that's such, okay, yep, sure. Or for something like that came up.

Right. And so long later, the conversation moves on. And Gary goes, I just need you able to know that I'm not. It was so long later. He didn't sit in the inside. How do I get back into the conversation? How do we bring up? Politely nodding along the conversation, but not really take it in it.

Because he's just like, oh, they all to get a petto. I have to get ahead of this. Oh, my God. I got, uh, and standing up loudly yelling, I'm not a petto. I think you should all know. Oh, wow. And then he brings up that story when we're in Swansea. Yes.

He brings it up to a group of people who weren't there at the first one, apart from me, but he goes, he says something, yeah, something you referred to it. I'm like, why are you bringing this pick up? And now he wants everyone to know on this show there's nothing wrong with a shandy. No. Agreed. What is that, beer and... Beer and lemonade.

Lemonade. It sounds delicious. To me, yeah, because to me, I always sort of as an auntie drink, a very non-peto. Yeah. So they're saying it's more of an uncle drink, but I always thought it was more of an an anti-drink. Yeah, stereotypical. Oh, anyway, glad to clear that up for you, Gary.

Good to have it on the record, Gary. But, yeah, you're never going to let it go for some reason. I keep, I forget about it until he brings it up again. So now, I know you're all thinking about it, so let me address a few things. He's feeling really defensive about having a shandy. I mean, he's in on the joke, I'm sure. Or just comically insecure about it. It just ruined his life.

Yeah. Thank you so much, Gary. Always a pleasure to hear from you. And congrats on the possible news. Yeah, fingers and toes crossed for you. It's very exciting, man. Really exciting. Last one this week, another regular at the live shows over in the UK.

Paul Meller. Paul. Who writes, has the title of Chief Watcher of Scary Movies on Halloween. Oh, fantastic. Thank you, God. I didn't want to have to do it. No.

Obviously, yeah, you're getting in early, we're about 11 months probably from Halloween now. But you might be talking about the one that's just gone. But Paul writes, hi, guys. At the time of writing, it is Halloween. Oh, there you go. That makes sense. That clears that up.

So I've just been putting the decorations out ready for the trick or treaters tonight. In our house, it is tradition to watch something scary on Halloween night. I really like to spook myself And they're Not so spooky, I knocked my drink over And you made, jeez, you sounded frightened When you said, oh He sounded like you were coming, mate

Did the noise I'm so scared Oh Oh, frightened Oh Oh no Did you hear a noise? Did you become German at the end there?

Oh, no Nain, nine Frighton Too far. Too far. Please, please stop. I'm getting too horny. But there's nothing scarier than being horny around friends.

Oh, no. Oh, shit, shit, shit. Think fun sexy thoughts. Okay, okay. Okay, I've got to sit, sit, sit down for a little while now. So, um. So, what's this is a scary movie? Yes, that's the tradition.

Likes to get spooked. I really like to not spoof myself. Sorry, I miss heard. I miss heard, okay? I really like to spook myself. and there are a few films that get me every time. So my question is, what film gives you the creeps on a dark autumn evening?

Alternatively, I mean spring evening for us, am I right? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Come on. I don't know what we so. We should do Halloween in, what would the equivalent of Christmas in July, Halloween in April or something? April or something.

That's what we should go on. Yeah, that's six months here. I don't even care. I don't even fucking, like, scary stuff. We do it on April 30. first doesn't exist alternatively maybe for Jess

what film did you watch that puts you off scary moves I think Dave and Jess are both not fans of the horror Not a big spooker For a lot of times It's weird I like Alien

Which we spoke about on the alien franchise And that is meant to be a Halloween I mean that's meant to be a horror I believe That is a Halloween Yeah like that would That'll give you a bit of a spooking The one that really put me off

Was watching Saw in high school Oh, I just found it really upsetting. Yeah. I remember watching with, like, family friends, they were watching the Blair Witch Project and I was hiding behind a cushion. Yeah, right. But there's lots of movies.

I just don't like the feeling. Like people, like Paul was just saying, enjoy the feeling of being scared. I really don't. And I don't do well with tension either. So like thrillers and stuff like that I don't love. So that rear window scared me a lot too. That's just like a thriller.

I was a child. That one with Jimmy Stewart? Yeah, no. James Stewart or Kerry Grant? Oh, is Jimmy Stewart, I think. Yeah. Yeah, the Simpsons parried it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Break his leg. Oh, so sinister looking kid. Yeah. I was a tiny child and a bit nervous about that. And what was the other one? I haven't seen any of these. Signs scared me as well. I haven't seen that.

But not, I've watched that as an adult, but I was like, oh, this is okay. As a kid, I was scared. Wizard of Oz. I had nightmares about the Wicked Witch for ages. Oh, no. And like, do you remember, which part specifically was scary because I think it was her you know flying and all that sort of stuff I don't know I just think it was

yeah I vividly remember getting up having nightmares about it and telling my parents and like them trying to take it seriously but to them they're like that's like a pretty silly kids movie yeah yeah you're like I'm really scared of the wicked witch and I think mostly it's just because like I think as a kid the scariest things to me were olden days things You know, like, oh, this is a movie from the 30s. Terrifying. Like a witch from the 30s is way scarier than a witch from today. And nothing more scary than a penny farthing.

Oh, yeah, that's right. Terrifying mode of transport. Yeah, I just don't enjoy the feeling of being scared. But I've been getting right into horror movies more recently when I'd really, and I'm sure I've talked about it before, but knowing that it's a much broader genre than I thought. Totally. I love, you know, like any sort of meta horror movies, comedy horror, um, any sort of sci-fi, sort of like time travel, fantasy horror ones.

I watched Get Out and loved it. Get Out. Yeah, so good. But yeah, I find some of the other ones I find it just a bit boring. Yeah. Because of that tension stuff. They have to set up these slow periods to make the scares work better. But I'm like, I'm so bored.

I think about it like sexual tension. Yeah. You know, like you let it build up and it makes it so much. Yeah, yeah. Usually when you're like, I'm so bored. I'm so bored. This is going to really be worth the payoff. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm trying to think. The first proper horror movie I saw at the cinemas was Halloween H-2O. Oh, wow. And I remember that being pretty scary, but I imagine it's not too scary. But as a teenage, it was like, oh, my gosh. Oh, my God. This guy can't be stopped.

Yeah, and I ended up finding that pretty tedious. It's like, well, he's undefeated. He just keeps coming. He comes like, you kill him in one movie's back and the next. I'm like, I like scream. I really like scream. They do that and they, it's the character's back, but he's a different person under the mask. So it makes sense of it.

Otherwise, I'm like, why are you, why am I bothering watching this movie when it's just going to, the next one's going to start again? And I don't know, I know that's not logical because they're all movies and none of it's real, but. It's emotional. Not logical, you know. Yeah. But I do find those slasher ones a bit boring, maybe. But, yeah, anyway, so we always encourage people ask the questions to answer their questions. Paul writes, my answer for both is Salem's Lot from 1979.

I watched this way too young. I would have been eight, and I didn't sleep for weeks. Something about vampires at the window freaked me right out. I love this film and the book now, and it is still one of my favorites, but it had a profound effect on me. It was either that or the time they put poltergeist on in primary school for a treat. Cheers, guys. What the hell?

I haven't seen either of those either. Man, I haven't seen a lot of movies by the sounds of it. But I haven't seen Poltergeist. You've been alive for so long. I know. I guess I've just been living it. I guess. You know, out there.

Yeah. You're out there. You're doing stuff. You're living your life. I'm doing this and that. Whoa. Yeah. Thanks so much.

to Paul Gary and Michael for their facts quotes and questions this week. The next thing we'd like to do is shout out to some of other great supporters who are on the shoutout level or above. And Jess normally comes up with a bit of a game. That's so true. I do, don't I? You do. So the topic was the Great Fire of London.

Could we come up with the Great Something of their town? Yes. Oh, that's good. I think we definitely could. Yep. And the other thing, and I always give you an alternative, now which is so tedious i agree but i was also thinking it could be the thing you point at the fire and say to make the smoke turn away yeah that's good you can come up with those okay we're doing a

too far all right um so jess got sunglasses on now uh which those watching the video will have known but you know the majority of people listening won't be able to see that they'll hear the vibe they'll hear the vibe change yeah i'm sounding a lot cooler yeah because you're wearing my sunglasses and I can't, to see how dirty they are. Can you see anything? Barely. And their prescription? No.

But they are polarised. So is that why you were looking around? Or were you looking to see if my sunglasses were here to put on? Oh, I was thinking of your sunglasses are here. I thought we're going to do a sunny spot. They match the shirt. You are looking like you're a preppy sort of, you're like quite a wealthy person. I should have a like a sweater over the shoulders as well.

You look like you've written a pony before. And I should be an absolute cunt. Yes. Do you reckon you've been to the polo? I've never been to the polo, no You've just taken them off Now that I have, yeah Now I haven't

Yes But before That character I owned three horses Um So Dave you're going to read out the names and places Jess is going to say

What's happened to their city And I'm going to point at their fire And make the smoke go away Should I look up some sort of weather Event Generator Generator I'll let you do that

As I say, first time, I would like to thank from Diffield. Dryfield in Great Britain. Thank you and hello to B, B, B, W.E. I'm pointing. Derek and the Dominoes. Derek and the Dominoes. Yeah. They're working for you.

Yeah, yeah. Get out of the fire. Oh, that's what you have to say, the fire. Get out of the smoke. Derek and the Dominoes. I don't know why that. Maybe because Eric Clapton's also in Cream and they had a song called The White Room, White Rabbit.

I don't know. I'm sorry. I don't know how my brain works. Nobody asked the explanation either. We accepted it as it was. I'm like going back and figuring that out, but I don't think that makes enough sense to be the reason. Brain's working mysterious ways.

Jerk in the Domino's and Bees Town of Drifield. The great time storm of Drifield. Oh my gosh. It's a chaotic weather event where time seems to warp, causing moments to stretch or compress. It's a time storm. That's quite chaotic. That sounds like it could be a whole movie.

That's not very much. 40Ks an hour isn't a lot of wind? Nope. Isn't it? Not really. Isn't it? I mean, like, hurricanes do like 300. Oh, okay.

40, I'm like, you know, if that was a car, they'd be pushing the speed limit in a school zone. There was, yeah, if they'd be bloody they'd be up there. And that's, they got pretty fast. There was wind recently that, like, nearly knocked me over as I was walking. Yeah. I mean, there's nothing to me, obviously. For example, today. You're a wife.

Melbourne's wind today is 18 kilometres an hour, and that's... It was pretty windy out there. Yeah, my hair was gone all over the place. It was pretty blowy. It was a bit blowy out there, mate. Well, it was a bit blowy, wasn't it? All right, so people who also ask is a 40-kilometer-hour wind are strong. Oh, strong enough to break umbrellas and move large tree branches.

I apologize. That is actually... That's a first. That is a first. Dave normally takes on new information and disregards it. Yeah. He says, no, fuck you. That doesn't sound right. That's incorrect.

I think the recent, like, mega storm over Jamaica and stuff, which I watched a fair bit of news coverage over made me go, well, they're getting 300. 10% of that. Can't be that bad. It just makes me think that 300's even more than I thought. Yeah, 300's quite bad. Okay. Yeah.

Next up from a location that is unknown to us. It's the great timing from the Fortress of the Moles. We can only assume, hello and thank you to Amelia Byrne. Pointing, hello dog. Say that to the fire. Hello, dog, and that moves the smoke away. Love it. Hello dog.

And it's the great stardust of the Fortress of the Niles. And that, it turns to your question, is a glittering substance covers the ground, creating a magical and enchanting layer. This dust has the power to produce stars, wishes or even miracles. Okay, I'm starting to think these aren't real ones. These are magical? What do you want for me? I love magic. Are you having fun?

I want the truth. Are you having fun? I want the truth. Are you having fun? Yes. Then that's all I care about. I'm an entertainer, Matt. I'm fun first, facts later.

Yeah. I've always said that about me. Yeah. Fun now. Fact, if we get around to it. Yeah, if there's time. Yeah. Next up, I would like to thank.

From the Netherlands, specifically from BoxTul, thank you to Elja Menoween fan. That's all one word. Yes. Elja Menoween fan. Oink, oink, said the pig. And then smoke just goes away. Smoke goes away. And the great frost fire of, what are they from?

Boxstle. Boxstle. Foxfire Frost fire Do I say foxfire? No, probably not. No, you did say frost fire. Okay, frost fire.

That sounds for long. Frostfire makes less sense. I'm like, oh, a lot of foxes burning. How so? It's a fire Yes. Where the flames are cold. Oh, I'm meeting a chilling glow that freezes the air around them.

Okay, sorry. It's mesmerizing and dangerous. Now I get it. Wow. Wind speeds of only 32K, so Dave's like, whatever, I go out with the brolly. Yeah, exactly. You'd be fine.

Yeah. Next up from Newton Highlands in Massachusetts, if I'm saying that correctly, hello and thank you to Harrison Wayne. Never going to give, never going to give. Oh, I like that. Oh, the smoke's coming back. What do you say? Never going to give, never going to give.

I like that a lot. It works every time. Where are they from again, sorry? They're from Newton Highlands. The Storm of Echoes of Newton Highlands. The Great Storm of Echoes. That's cool. Like, if that's a book, I'm like, I'm picking that up or reading the blurb.

Yeah. And then going, oh, not for me. Oh, that's a bit silly. A bit sci-fi, bit fantasy for me. But that's okay. To each their own. The great storm of echoes, I'm like, oh. I love that.

Come next up. We're going to stick in Massachusetts. Now we're going to move over to Spencer. And coming from there is Margaret. Oh, it's a tight fit. I mean, you've got to get the video to fully appreciate Matt, pointing at this fire. One more time? It's a tight fit.

Very good delivery. Nice one, Margaret. And Margaret, something of Spencer. The great ember rain of Spencer. Oh, that's terrifying. Warm droplets that resemble glowing embers fall from the sky. How do they think of these ideas? They're like, right, fire only, it's cold.

Rain, only it's fire. They're good. Jess, your eyes are saying that you disagree with me, but I think they're good. You have no whimsy. Man, I'm fucking up to the eyeballs and whimsy. I'm chockers with the fucking whimsy He wished he could make it stop As Dave's English character said before

I'm up to pussy's bow Very whipsical statement in itself That was insane watching you to do that For so long It went for a long time I think AJ will trim it down for I loved it We didn't know how to get out of it

Yeah I just did try a couple of times Well That wasn't a hard try Hard enough All right moving to Scotland now from Edinburgh Hello and thank you to Captain A-cab. That's funny.

You feel me? You feel me? That's good. I'm going to the smoke would feel you. Yeah. By moving away. Oh, yeah. Do you feel me?

Yeah. You feel me? You film me? You film me? You film me? Are you filming? Are you filming? Are you filming this?

Are you filming this? Put it away. Delete that? Show me you're deleting it. Police. And the negatives. They're using film. I got a step on your phone.

fire and destroy it. Or I will. And they're like... And then the smoke moves away. You feel me? Captain A-Cab from Edinburgh. The great whispering winds of Edinburgh. That feels like a spooky city.

Yeah. They'd have whispering winds. Yeah, they would. I did catch the name Captain A-Cab. Captain A-Cab. That's a good pun. Lou Ha-Hat, listen to this. A soft breeze that carries faint whispers as if the wind is sharing secrets.

Oh my gosh. And that's a... That is a pun on Captain Ahab? Ahab from Moby Dick. Or maybe Ahab is a pun on this. Oh, true. You ever thought about that? Have you ever thought about that?

Edinburgh is a very old city. Maybe Captain Haycaves too. That's true. Good point. Next up, we're moving to Canada now from Matoch. We're moving to Canada? Yes. I just got the news.

I've never even been. The visas are approved. We live there now. All three of us? Yeah, we're going to go live at Alistair Tramley Bertels' house. He'd love that. He hasn't heard that yet, but we'll be there. See soon now.

From Martok in Canada. Hello, and thank you to Spoopee Spoons. Uh, that should be doable. Uh, that should be doable. Fire's gone, that's good. From, I keep forgetting the name. Martok. Martok, the great lunar blossoms of Martok.

Really? I'm seeing that, and I can already picture the cover of the book, and I'm going, yeah, not for me. Big moon? Yeah, lots of vines, dark, moody, yeah. I like it. There's probably some pretty graphic sex scenes in it. Oh, wow. Oh. Really? Oh.

Yeah, it's like, it's romantic. When you say it's fantasy, you're like, I don't want to, I don't want to know about, you know, the elk, elk man. Yeah. He's the leader of the elk pack. Yeah. And she's the chosen one. Yeah, you know. He's got to mark her or something.

I don't want to know about it. Mark her, like X marks a spot. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if I understand, but I don't know if I understand, but. I don't like it.

Me either. Oh, no, sorry, I love it. I love whimsy. You love whimsy. Wimsy and romanticcy. Second last year from a location that is unknown to us. Probably deepening the fortress of the moles right now. Hello and thank you.

Caitlin Bluff Witch. Fair suck of the sauce bottle. Fair suck of the sauce bottle. You got a point why you say that, Dave, come on. Sorry. You're about to cough because of the smoke getting in. Oh, cough. Oh, my God, I'm having an erection to the smoke.

I've got to get out of it. direction to the smoke. Well, I wanted to say asthma attack, but I actually don't have asthma. It felt like that might be a bit rude. So I was just saying, oh, I don't like this smoke. But I'm going to say, oh, for a suck of the sauce bottle, gone. Okay. Do you think asthma attack would have been, like, stolen valour sort of thing?

People would just be like, you don't have asthma. Yeah. We know your medical history. Yeah. We've got it downloaded. We've seen it all. You've got a threaded gullet. That's nowhere near near your bloody windpipe.

Come on. Come on. Come on. That's the aphoros of the lung. Your deficit is off the pipe. You're a fake. How about this? The great crystal hail of the fortress of the moles.

I love it. Crystal hail. Crystal hail. Crystal hail. I think I went to school. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I went to school with the Crystal Hale. Hail, hail, great man. And finally, from location, there's also one on us.

Just references to things. I feel like I'm slipping in, and maybe I've always been like this, but just saying, references out of context to things that were funny in context. Yeah, you've always done that. Always done it. Yeah, often it's an ad. Yeah, I don't know why you'd stop now. From the late 80s.

Yeah. Finally, from a location that's unknown to us, probably deep within the Fortress of the Moles. It's Kate Burke. Check out these beautiful globes. Check out these beautiful globes. There's a wink in that way. Yeah, yeah. And the smoke can tell?

Yeah, yeah. Have to do it. Well, he's getting smoke in the eye. Oh, I see. Um, the great shimmering snowfall. Wow. Pretty cool, pretty powerful. Sounds great, but I bet it's not.

It's, uh, snowflakes that sparkle and glimmer. I don't see how that's bad. Thanks, beautiful. Each flake also contains a piece of magic. Oh, my God. What? Dave, you want to recap those names there? Thank you again to Kat, Caitlin, Spoopee Spoopee Spoonz, Captain Acap, Margaret, Harrison,

El Gamenoween fan, Amelia. and B. Now we've got four people to induct into the Triptage Club this week. If you don't know what that is, that's four. People have been on the shoutout level or above for three straight years. And now we induct them into our club. Dave calls it the Hall of Fame. It's a bit of theatre of the mind.

People picture it differently. Just pictures like an airport hangar, I think. I picture it like an airport. No, you picture like an airport lounge. Yeah. I picture it more like a jazz bar, velvet and stuff like that. I have pictures. How do you picture it?

More like a... I was going to say palace. Yeah. Wow. Which is the name of his local. Which has come palace. That's a room out of the back. If you want it.

I've never been in personally. No. And Jess, you're behind the bar as well? Yeah. So, I mean, just given, you know, there was a lot of mention of like bringing in bread. So I've just got some bread. Oh, nice. Got some nice soup to go with that bread.

How one of your temperature? Temperature was. What have got gazpacho, cold? I did make some gazpacho, yes. Oh, great. I love cold soup. But unfortunately, the oven has created its own firestorm and wind system. Oh, my gosh.

So it's very hot in the oven. You're using a baker's oven? Yeah. Oh, no. I'm really hoping that the toilets don't get burnt down again. The toilets won't get burnt down, but I have been having some stomach issues again. We need to burn them down. I think it's starting again.

We need to burn down those pools. Closing fire was the torts. It's the only way to stop the place. Oh, God. Damn. Yeah. Let's not think about that any further. Dave,

you normally book a band for after the show. Oh, my God. You're never going to believe it. What? You're never going to believe who I've got this week. Who? I mean, talking to these guys for so long, and they finally said, you know what?

We've got a space in our calendar this week. And they're going to be joining us live. It's London Grammar. Oh, whoa. Like that big song. Yeah. Yes. Strong.

Yes. Or wasting my. Young Years, pay now or night call. Oh, wow, I can't wait for the whole set. Yeah, there's four songs with over 100 million plays, can't be wrong. Fantastic. Huge. Finally got them and we'll never let them go.

Never. Until next week, can we have a new band come in? Now, the way it works is I'm on the door. I've got the guest list on my clipboard. If you hear your name, come in through the Velvet Road. Dave's going to be on stage, hype me up, he's them seeing the night. Grab a drink from Jess on the way through. Jess will hype up Dave as well because he hipes you and the crowd up

by doing a bit of weak wordplay based on your name or the place where you're from. No, like lovingly, it's like awful stuff, but I think it's on purpose, it is on purpose, isn't it? You do a bad wordplay stuff. This is the highlight of my fucking week. Yeah, no, I agree. Same, but like it's sort of ironically bad. Dave, don't listen to him. Is that not?

Now, turn around so I can put my hand on your butt. Thank you. Get you ready to go. need this. All right. Dave, we've got four names. Are you ready? Now, can I point out one thing?

Next to one of these names is a very round number. Oh, my God. Are we hitting our thousandth member? I think the first person in, wait. Or is there one at the top? This is the, this tab isn't labeled the new triptych shape. Oh, okay. So I think it's the thousandth we've inducted since I,

I've started this page. Oh, I didn't know what number you were talking about. I got really confused. Now I see it. Okay, sorry. I thought we were getting inducting our 1,000th member and I was going to say like, this is really special. Yeah.

Oh, I think it is really special. It was always really special. Do you want to just, like, it's the thousands of this spreadsheet? Yeah. Do you reckon we possibly? I can't remember, like, that was a long time ago. Yeah. It's possible that, I don't know why this is called new tripped it.

Could we maybe give them like a red sash or something? They can proudly wear around the club. Yeah. Yeah. I think balloons will drop from the sea. Yeah, perfect. Let's do that. All right.

Well, how exciting. The 1,000th member to be inducted in the club, at least, on this page of the spreadsheet. It says that in small writing. On this, Ash. From Teddington in ABC in Great Britain. Welcome into the club, Mark Sumner. It's been a long mark winter. But it's time for Mark Sumner.

Woo! 1,000. What do you reckon ABC is? It doesn't matter. From Greensboro in North Carolina, I believe where they have in some counties, blue fire trucks, they sort of did the same trick that just did with the weather before. Hot to cold, cold to hot, good stuff. Welcome in Sarah Hamblet.

It may be Sarah Humbleet, but it's Sarah Hamblet. To be or not to be. From Rochester. From Rochester and maybe maybe. Minnesota from MN in the U.S. It's Alexander buckholes. Buckholes. One, two, buckles my shoe.

Okay, that's pretty good. I was going to say, I'm like, um... Well, don't bother if it's not better than that. It's not better than that. My favorite animal is the giant panda, but my favorite person is the giant Alexander. It was something like that. Yeah, that was good.

That was good. Yeah, that was good. And finally from... Melbourne. Here in Melbourne, it's Zalia noti. More like Zalia, no faulty. Yeah, you're perfect. Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! Zalia? Zayle. It's a great name. Gorgeous name. Looks beautiful written down too. Uh, welcome to the club from Aida Z. Aida said, Alexander Zaley, uh, with a mark and a Sarah in between. Make yourselves at home. Now, uh, we now, we now, and I think we're some people,

like the Patreon section of the end doesn't go long enough. And that's why we now have... We've extended it. The Triple Trip Ditch Club, the TripTrip. We've got two inductees this week, Dave. Now, last week, Jess, you're away when we started this. Yes. And Dave was just saluting each of them, which was really a visual thing.

Because they can watch it on the video, so it is for them. Oh, that's true. But also then giving a little compliment. Oh, okay. Are you happy with that or... I like that? Yeah. I hope for Dave to do that.

Yeah, I think it's a nice starting point, but hopefully this evolves into something else. Can I give them a kiss? Yes. Okay. I think that, maybe from next week. Oh, yeah. Yep. All right.

So two inductees this week. First up, I haven't seen her in a while, but met her at a few live shows back in the day. From California Gully in Victoria, welcome into the triple triptitch club. It's Joe Boyd. You give me live. Salute That's nice What about a kiss?

Good, good, good, good Wait, I'm just trying to make sure the camera comes over to me but it's not, they're good. And from Littleton in maybe Colorado in the US, welcome in to the triple triptage club,

Kat McCauley. I love you more than roller coasters. Salute. Oh, that's a big compliment. So yeah, this is a second room. Huge. Obviously we got, everyone's in the club already, but now there's a room within the room.

I know, but we already have a velvet rope to welcome you into the Triptitch Club. So what can... Oh, a silk rope? I guess. Like, yeah, what's better than Velvet? And the, yeah, so there... Dave always describes the Triptitch Club as the Hall of Fame, but this club is now the Hall of Legends.

That's nice. I reckon you can still come out and mingle with people if you want, but maybe you get like a tiara or something that shows people that you're in the trip trip. And there's probably a... There's like a separate line at the bar. Yeah. You know, kind of like when you're boarding a... plane and if you're if you're fancy you can go whatever i think everyone the service is still

great oh the service is fantastic but if i'm serving someone and somebody joins the like i will throw down their drink and go but also something they really need it because they've got a self-service bar in the triple drip ditch car yes we have a robot in there who's actually better than me for the most part and the soup in there i think is always perfect temperature yeah the oven in there's working fine yeah it's perfectly it's kind of annoying welcome in to the Trip TripTitch Club Cat and Joe Make yourselves at home

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