Do Go On - 532 - Dashcon Failure

Episode Date: December 31, 2025

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Okay My question to get us On to the topic is In the mid-2000s If you wanted to find memes Fan fiction and pop culture content What social media site would you go to 4chan, Reddit

MySpace The Internet You are in the right ballpark Yes The internet Anything else Dave that you can think of For lime wire No, I'm wow.

Win M. Kazar. No. Napster. Think about... Meme. Know your meme. I reference know your meme later.

Wow, it's a great website. What a great resource. Oh, fantastic. Do you use that much in business? Yeah. Okay, if you were to, if you were going to be making yourself a drink and you were choosing between a tall glass, thank you. Tumblr. Tumblr.

Tumblr. I was thinking, Collins? I just like to say what I'm thinking. Okay, fair enough. A Tumblr, of course. Of course. That makes complete sense. Correct, yes.

So this is about a convention that was put on to celebrate Tumblr called DashCon. Woo, woo, woo! Wow, got a few people to know. specifically It's voted on by the patrons Are you a Patreon if I'm as? Yeah Because as soon as I started talking

You're like, yes I've never been on Tumblr I know it by name But I have no idea What it's about But I love that they're having You know catch-ups about it Yeah

Well to see a couple of things About this topic It was like Oh you'll need to log into Tumblr And I was like Oh no you have an account And then I got to see my 20 14 Tumblr

and oh boy wow and you were an active poster yeah I loved Tumblr will you be sharing some of that tonight no

no it's just a lot of reposting memes you know cool stuff anyway it's been suggested by a few people Laura from the Gold Coast Lucy from Brisbane Meg from Sydney Chenade from Dublin

Tom WB Hill from the UK and Tyson from Colac and as I said voted on by the patrons with it had about 50% of the vote it was an absolute landslide in a two horse race in a two horse race

yeah to make it I just picked yeah captain's called yeah I just went oh I'm just gonna do whatever I want okay so I'll give you a bit of background here AJ Willingham

writes for CNN though the blogging platform is still active Tumblr's unquestionable heyday passed in the mid 2010s it was and still is hailed as the crucible of nerddom, where young people gather to trade memes,

pop culture observations, poems, musings, fan fiction, art, and absurdist jokes to satisfy even the most niche communities. Years of Tumblr discourse have helped shape current structures of entertainment fandoms, social justice language, queer subcultures, and all manner of special interests

one might see at a comic book convention or Marvel movie premiere. So, in its heyday, it was huge, very influential. know it still existed until I logged in and went ha that is a pretty funny meme from george of the jungle and I stand by it um so in 2014 some tumbler users thought it would be a good idea to try and take that sense of community and creativity and recreate it in real life now we've heard stories on this podcast before about

how things go when unexperienced people try to put on big sort of festival type things. Like on a Caribbean Island or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Same vibe. Yeah, okay, okay. From Willingham again. The result was DashCon, an attempt

to bring together Tumblr users from different interests and fandoms for a single event. The idea was similar to the already popular VidCon, which focuses on YouTube celebrities, or any number of fan conventions around the world that have been going strong for decades. So these, like, conventions exist. They're like, let's just do another one. How hard could it be? How hard could it be? Right off the bat, like, I think they've

sort of tripped up. The name is weird. Is it about... Yeah, I'll get to that. Yeah. Should it be like Tom Cone or something. They're like, dash with like the front of a car inside of it. I don't understand it. Or is it about just like a horizontal short line. It's both. And neither. Yeah. I thought so.

It's exciting. I will explain that. Wait, is it? I'll literally explain that I think in the next couple of sentences. Well, I'll only let you get there. Okay. That's him.

He never lets me get there. Hey! But when you do, it's going to be so good. A-a-oh-oh-oh. Edging on a podcast. Ten years. Oh, God. So DashCon was originally announced in mid-2013 under the name TumbleCon.

Okay, and it was touted as the largest gathering of Tumblr users to date. The convention... The previous record was three. We're going to go for ten. The convention aimed to have stalls and panels for various fandoms that were popular on Tumblr, like Star Trek, Sherlock, a Harry Potter, Hunger Games, Teen Wolf, the list goes on. Why did Teen Wolf get a laugh? Why'd Teen Wolf get a mention?

Oh, you'll understand. because of my love of one of the stars of Teethle. Michael J. Fox. Michael J. Fox. According to the CNN article, the original idea can be traced back to a teenage girl named Lachlan O'Neill, who was 17 at the time. She'd been using Tumblr for a couple of years

and it started to get into cosplay, anime, and the Avengers, all extremely popular subjects among Tumblr users. She was also really into small animal husbandry. and I know we know that it doesn't mean it but you're still picturing little animals in a tuxedo 100%. Animal husbandry to me is like a wedding planner

for animals I think yeah I imagine it with a headset and go for the bride that's what I'm picturing I imagine like you know matchmaking this cat and this dog and you have to get married you have to

oh okay we're all pictured That's what I imagine To me a husband Is it going a tuxedo Yeah This is my husband You're like He's gonna be wearing a tuxedo

I think maybe I've only ever seen a husband Out of wedding Do they keep wearing him after that Are they still a husband half of the day? What do you think I'm wearing underneath this? What about brides? What a bit? Yeah, exactly

Yeah, who gives a shit? Who gives a shit? The brides get much attention. I don't think they've got enough, mate. What about husbands? About time someone spoke up for husbands. Dave, I got your back, mate. Thank you.

Thank you. Anyway, so she's really into animal husbandry. And she said, I started on Tumblr writing traditional blogs about mouse genetics. My blog was called Micea Nice. You can do anything on Tumblr. And is this going to get it to install at the convention? Maybe. No, I just thought that was pretty funny to mention.

Is Tumblr the one with just lots of pictures, like a theme boards or whatever? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I've definitely heard of it. Yeah, that's great. But is this the kind of thing like everyone did it but me? And me? Okay.

Give us a cheer, actually, if you were on Tumblr back in the day. Okay. Give us a cheer if you've never heard of Tumblr. Okay. You're not the only one. Chee now if you like animal husbandry? Okay. Mice are nice.

Nice are nice. This is very sweet. She said over time, she even met one of her best friends on the platform after searching content about her hometown. She said, I was always kind of an outsider. I didn't really have the ability to connect with people and I didn't know why.

Well, you're obsessed with mice. you're the weirdo of your town everyone's talking about you behind your back I've no idea no idea why would it be anyway who want to look at my boss that's how she meets people have a look at my mice

I think you but the town was big enough for a second mouse weirdo so this is a lovely story well she met her best friend and then she was like well there must be more people like me on Tumblr there must be more people like her on

Tumblr, oh my God, she noticed this pattern. Lots of people forming strong bonds with virtual strangers online over things that really mattered to them, things they didn't have a network for in their everyday lives. And she saw these posts and she thought, what if there was a Tumblr convention? What if I made it? And then all of you could also have friends. It's very sweet. It's beautiful. It's very sweet. And you would just absolutely rip in her a new one. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if she's thought it through because it's like everyone's got different sub-genres and hobbies and so she's going to bring the mouse people together with like the dog people are they all animals no well i mean then even more crazy there'll be like

the tractor people and some people who like you know dusting it's going to be how they're not all going to get along yeah that's chaos yeah yeah yep thanks for bringing up my hobby dusting well we were talking about brides so I think as a feminist I can make I think I can make I don't think

in your hands I think a joke like that wouldn't come off but I think in a feminist hands the irony there is clear that joke is coming off yeah Okay, so she started a Tumblr blog called TumblCon

and it was sort of, it was like the launch pad for what would eventually become DashCon named because of the tumblers, like when you log onto Tumblr, the main page was called the dashboard. So they called it DashCon because it wasn't actually officially affiliated with Tumblr so they couldn't call it TumblCon. So they changed the name. Does that explain DashCon to you now? it is crazy that your mind went to dashboard and you weren't wrong

yeah that's crazy exactly you were so close um but we won't get there I'll stop you right there enthusiasm for a Tumblr convention quickly grew and it wasn't long before people were offering to be on committees for different fandoms right so they're like oh we'll put together something for this thing that we love it's great

O'Neill, who, let's remember, was 17 years old, later said it's important to note that before this, I'd only been to two conventions. One was a small anime convention, the other was a rabbit breeders convention in Indiana. Different kind of vibes. But the intention is there. How hard can it be?

I don't think I realize she was 17. I'm sorry I was a bit mean to her before. Do you feel okay about being mean to? her because she's a woman. Does that make it better? No, I don't feel good about it in either way. Okay, just want to check. I think only, you know, adult men are strong enough to take that kind of criticism.

And I think Sons will back me up. Says the most sensitive of all of us. Shut up. so she goes on to say that's what I was imagining when I was imagining this event lots of booths for different interests fun activities all of that I was a teenager maybe I was stupid but when people said they were going to help out or attend I trusted them don't pity her it's all right it's fine she's not 17 anymore you know

when did this happen 2014 oh fuck her Yeah, get another one. So a YouTuber called Strange Eons has done a two-hour video on DashCon and interviews around 50 people who attended the convention. They talk about how all of the different committees were basically in charge of coming up with their own programming. for their fandom so it was just you were left to your own devices one person they spoke to was part of of the avatar the last airbender committee and this is what they said in an email they said let me be clear during this point where we were in charge of planning panels we had zero idea of what a

convention panel was slash we had never been to a convention we were trying to put on a whole stage play of the boy in the iceberg which is the first episode of the first season no scripts were written costumes made or people cast Okay It's got a pretty sick live score Yeah Would you have needed to have seen something before To know that those were required

Like they're like Oh I wouldn't have even known We'd never seen a panel Yeah Well they were just they're like Well easy we'll just put on a live performance Of an episode Yes

I guess you must need costumes for that I guess Yeah Yeah, but no people. No, they haven't cast anyone, but, you know, it'll just... It'll sort itself out on the day. Oh, sorry, I didn't thought about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you just got to think, on the day.

And did it sort itself out on the day? Okay. So for a while, it seemed like it was basically a bunch of excited teenagers kind of think tanking about how cool it would be to do a convention, but maybe not actually, like, getting stuff done. So lots of ideas being... Heaps of ideas. And as this idea gained traction, the planning and admin kind of,

got taken over by others and while O'Neill was moving into state with her family and just didn't have the internet for a bit she wasn't as active the whole convention ballooned into something massive a limited liability partnership called Dashcon LLP had been set up owned by two women Megan Eli and Roxanne Schweitzman and based on what I've read neither of them had any experience or relevant qualifications either but they were like sweet We'll just make an LLP and we'll get this ball rolling. So regardless, a date was set and a location found. The first ever dashcon was taking place July 11 to 13, 2014,

at the Renaissance Schaumburg Convention Center Hotel in Illinois. I've got convention in the title. That's pretty good. It's convention center and hotel. Yeah. Like, that seems like the right place to have a convention. And very optimistic to call it the first. ever dash con. Yes. Yeah. The first of many. Yeah. I've got a good feeling about this.

So they, the convention announced an initial $5,000 fundraising goal in March of 2013. So the year before, they're like, we need to raise some money to make this thing happen. So they, they want to raise five grand. And they have plans to apply for a bunch of grants. So posting on the convention's Tumblr page, they wrote, hosting a convention is not something any of us saw in ourselves. For a while TumbleCon was just a half-shaped idea I caught a whiff of every once in a while when a stray post or two

drifted onto my dash. Are you following any of these words? Breathing new life into this idea has been something all of our staff members have been working tirelessly for over the last month or so. We hardly remember our lives before TumbleCon. This has been my lifelong

dream for the last 30 days. We have been working tirelessly part-time hours probably not even for a month now and working tirelessly whenever we got a whiff yeah just when there was a whiff across the dash um unfortunately the idea stank obviously catching a whiff yeah yeah they go on unfortunately there's only so much passion you can put into starting a business, okay, before the real work comes crashing down on your shoulders. Mainly, we have to deal with the government and money.

Oh, God, red tape, am I right? They say, we can take care of the legal aspect. However, money is not something, a group of 20-somethings really have in abundance. But they have the legal aspect. They got that covered. Don't you worry, you're pretty little mind about it. We just need you cash. This is where you, our followers, can help.

If we have just a hundred of our nearly 4,000 followers donate a mere $10, we would have enough money to get us on our feet, pay for some software we need, file additional forms, and pay fees for applying for more grants, on top of a few for which we've already applied. So they just need, just give us money, give us your money. Please, we'll do all the rest. We'll handle the legal in the red tape and the yada, yada, yada.

You don't worry about that. just give us the cash. There are so many different committees who plan to host events at the convention and they had to raise the necessary funds to do so so they would do that through like selling commissions and fan art and fanfic, all sorts of things. For example, the Star Trek committee planned

to split their funds 60-40, 60% of the amount raised going to the convention and the remaining 40 to help members of the committee to attend the convention. So they're trying to like, there's fundraising happening everywhere, not just for the actual convention, but for all the committees as well.

special guests were advertised including Doug Jones who's known for portraying non-human characters he's in Pans Labyrinth and Hellboy in the Shape of Water a web comic artist called N.D. Stevenson and the cast of Welcome to Nightvale which was a hugely popular absurdist

supernatural fiction podcast and it was a massive selling point for a lot of attendees lots of people wanted to come and see this live show they did occasionally do live shows and they always sold out really quick so people were like we've got to go to the con to see this podcast And this guy who plays a non-human character. Yeah, the guy who's in the...

Dougie, Dougie, Dougie! Yeah, go catch up with Doug! I'd go for Doug. Yeah. Yeah, I bet you'd go for Doug. Anyway, I'm just trying to say that welcome to Night Vale was a big selling point. Yeah, great, they were huge. They were huge.

Big selling point. Numerous panels were planned for the duration of the convention and the process for being selected as a panelist was surprisingly complex. Panelists were vetted to determine their qualifications in several different areas, including but not limited to subject knowledge, leadership abilities and public speaking skills. They also needed to be willing and able to submit a Skype video interview before being selected. Panelists who managed to attract more than 50 attendees across two panels were promised that they were to be willing to submit a Skype video interview before being selected. were promised that their membership for the day would be comped. Panelists who exceeded a headcount of more than a hundred would receive their membership for that day for free.

So it was also, bring some friends. Be on a panel, be able to speak, bring some friends. I just want to say that that is not normal. So I got that... Okay, because I haven't been to any conventions. I know, I know. I've never been to a convention. So on fanlaw.org, they...

For clarity, they added, this policy was a departure from most fan-run conventions where fans participated in programming without regards to compensation. Nor is the quality of fan panellists typically measured by number of panel attendees. Okay. So that's not typically how it's done. You can do a panel if you can bring lots of people, is not typically how convention might run. But who says we can't change the game?

Yeah, that's right. Got to start somewhere. You know? It's exciting and it's fun. and everything's going really well. How would they normally would do panels to not attract an audience? Yeah.

Like it sounds like, to me it sounds kind of smart to encourage audiences to come. Huh. But you think that's one of the big mistakes they've made so far? No. Okay. No, I don't think that's one of the big mistakes. Matt, I'm thinking that's not even the top ten so far.

Yeah, and we have an issue. even got to it um no no it's just that it's a it's a it was a way more strenuous process than ever normally yeah just the i mean one of the things you mentioned was that they had to be able to do a Skype yeah pretty strenuous do you remember Skype yeah that was an impossible it was a that made no sense um so the month before the convention in june a post was made asking for applications for volunteers of the convention with really fun perks like if you worked from one to 11 hours you would receive undying gratitude that's pretty good yeah well that's forever yeah never ending gratitude i'll take that undying that sounds fantastic that's beautiful if you wanted to add

just an extra hour and go for 12 to 19 hours you'd receive a refund of your badge cost and if you want to do 20 plus hours, you would receive a refund of your badge cost and your hotel room will be comped for Friday and Saturday nights. Whoa, so you now don't have to pay to work. Yeah. So if you work 20 hours, you get to break even at work. How good is that? That's really good.

Yeah. Do you also get the undying gratitude? Or do you have to pick the hotel over that? Because I'd pick the gratitude because that is forever, like you said. That's a great point. Yeah, I don't think it's like, oh, it's this package plus whatever's in the lower ones. I think you have to choose. Yeah, so you're going undying gratitude?

Yeah, unless the buffet breakfast is included. It doesn't say, no. Undying gratitude for me, thank you. He loves a buffet breakfast. Oh my gosh. He loves to pay too much for shit food. Yeah, it's usually about $40 a head and I'm like, okay, how much do I have to eat to make this worth it?

The answer, $41. I've just worked that out. And I can't eat that much. Are you doing that though? You're going, all right, omel? This is worth $12. Yeah, I'm like, blue cheese. Blue cheese, that's expensive, that's expensive.

Like, I get food that I don't even want. I put on my plate. I throw it on the floor. $5 of ham out the window. I get my money's worth. Okay. Yeah. I break a toaster.

You don't drink coffee, but you've got a tray of coffee. Yeah, a tray full of coffee. It's less you getting your value. It's more just costing there. You make sure there. It's about punishing a local business. you're a bad person yeah um i found some of the original tumbler posts from the dashcon account this is when i logged in and went huh um someone asked what the dress code was for dashcon

there's so many answers yeah but this one's so confusing they replied the dress code is only this only this no t-shirts no shorts no sneakers and no jeans everything else is up to you so fully nude nude is fine they'd prefer new than a t-shirt

at a con whatever like some I know like this is all sorts of fandums probably including t-shirt fandom probably including t-shirt fandoms no t-shirts the Levi Strauss group's going to be shouted by this dress code

we'd be fucked no t-shirt shirts, no shorts, no sneakers, no jeans. Oh, no. I'd be left wearing this jacket and that is it. We'd be Winnie the pooing of the shirt. But Matt would just be in a jumper and hat. More of a Donald Duck. And I'm fucked.

Yeah, that's not good. I was so confused. What the fuck can you wear? I was so confused. Our mate here would be okay. He'd be in the blue chips. Oh, come on. There's no cons in business, am I right?

Yeah. Can I ask what you do? Ask the hackiest question of all, comedy? I'm a police officer. A police officer. And you do... You look fantastic. Yeah, you're fantastic.

Very well, ten. I'm pretty glad I haven't done my ACAP catchphrase tonight. You are doing a great job of going undercover tonight. It does make some sense. If he was on a tram at home, you'd know he's about to check your ticket. Yeah, big time. I did get a vibe that he was kind of sick of our shit. And it's like, yeah, that tracks.

It's like any other situation You're on the fucking floor right now If you're not a cop That was the funniest possible answer 100% And we'll not be speaking to you again Thank you so much Thank you for coming

And I'm going to look in this section I'll look from here onwards The rest of the night Okay so from what I read online A ticket for the whole weekend Was about 65, 75 bucks which is like not bad It's like a whole convention

I think that's pretty reasonable I think it was certainly at the time expensive for a convention particularly because this was a new one but looking at 2025 prices I'm like well that's pretty good yeah that's I mean okay for example

Matt and I paid $75 last weekend because our carry on bags on Jet Star were one kilo over so and they weren't carrying anything suspicious I need to know that Otherwise that $75 would have been really worth it But it wasn't

That kilo brick of whatever it was So you know In terms of value You could have got a whole weekend for that And we got one pretty shit flight Anyway There was also a limited number of daily tickets available they limited it to 500 a day

and they range between like $20 to $45. So attendees start arriving on Thursday the 10th of July the night before and some attendees and vendors said in hindsight they should have been sussed from the very beginning because the convention center hotel was too nice. Several people were like, this is too fancy for a new convention. Oh, okay, yeah.

Like it's, you know, this has been made by a bunch of teens and 20s fans just making something this is a bit too nice in hindsight it was yeah very swanky hotel but with an estimated three and a half to seven thousand people expected to come

it just made sense to host a convention at a space that is frequently used for big events like that you know you're getting that many people in you need a convention centre okay yeah but weren't they capping tickets at 500 yeah that was for like daily tickets okay but then most people would have pre-purchased tickets also.

Oh, okay. Dave, you're correct to be confused. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah. But they're expecting thousands of people, okay. Yes. Okay, great. Probably 5,000 to 7,000 is what they reckon. So people have come from far and wide to Illinois.

This weekend's going to be amazing. So day one rolls around, and attendance is estimated around 3 to 500. thousand Yes 3 to 500 500 500 being like at its peak

so they were right when they said somewhere between 5 and 7,000 5 individuals That's pretty good really That's spot on Yeah Yeah

Yeah absolutely right The numbers don't lie When they first arrived Attendees were directed to a large room For registration to pick up their convention badges. It was a massive empty room with

polished concrete floors, like huge, like probably triple the size of this room. Hard to imagine a room that. I know. For listeners at home, this room is huge. Yeah, there are between 5,000 and 7,000 people here tonight. That is true.

So naturally they set the registration table up at the very far end. So people are turning up having to walk through this empty room. To this little trestle table at the back. They set up the things that have to walk around and around. Do you, do you?

Okay, it's, okay, there's two situations where I feel like the dumbest fuck in the world. One is when there's no one else in front of you and you have to snake your way around. And the other is when a hat blows off in the wind. And you sort of have to chase it. You have to chase it. Imagine both happen on the same.

Oh, man. that's a bad day no I think it almost maybe would have made the room feel a bit fuller if it had the ropes but just empty and the table all the way over there so again they're like in hindsight

maybe it wasn't going to be as smooth as we'd hoped so they get their IDs panels and events that took place on day one I found the schedule for it and this is just a few that I found that I thought you might be interested in a day in the life at Hogwarts

what's the deal with Beacon Hills I looked into that it's a group discussion of the writing cinematography and general amazingness of Teen Wolf Ask an Avenger Which is good You can ask the Avengers questions at that one

Right, who answers? The Avengers Oh that's good They got the Avengers They actually got an Avenger there? Nope And then in the evening You could go to an improv game

called Whose Line Is It Tumblr? That is subtle but good writing. Whose line is it Tumblr? Whose line is it Tumblr? That just works. Wordplay, normally you need a couple of different angles to work at the same time, and they've done that. Whose line is it Tumblr?

I'm such a hack. I would have gone for Who's Tumblr is it anyway, but that's obviously several times worse. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're dumb. Whose line is it? Whose line is it Tumblr? Things took a bit of a turn when...

That's really funny. Whose line is it Tumblr? Whose line is it Tumblr? That's one of the funniest things I've ever heard. So good. Tonight was worth it after all. Yeah. Thank God.

So things took a bit of a turn when by late into the opening day of the con, the organisers announced that the hotel was threatening to shut down the convention unless they could pay $17,000 by 10pm. They're being held ransom. Oh yeah, we will execute this convention unless you pay in unmarked bills. Give me back my con. That's something. It's just, I mean, it's like, I just, I didn't even realize how good it is.

I've only changed the S to a C there. Yeah. Doesn't work that well out loud. Yes, but written down. Which, unfortunately, a podcast is, mate. Yeah. But when you're reading the transcript of this episode, that's going to really hit.

That, honestly, it's almost as good as, whose line is it top line? Which obviously, that works written down and said out loud. I felt quite inspired by that, so. So they have to pay $17,000. $17,000. And they were, like, struggling to raise five. Yeah. Okay.

So this is the venues hold... The hotel, yeah. The convention centre slash hotel is like, this thing is shut down unless you pay $17,000. And it feels like at this point, they should be like, yeah, shut it down. No worries. If we can just sort of... What do you mean?

They have great shows. Like, there's two more days of whose lines at Tumblr. Oh, really? Oh, okay. Now, we're all three to 500 people hanging around for all the panels? No. Oh. Because I'm like, that could be a pretty nice time at a panel.

When they say 500, that was like at its absolute peak across the day. But there was also 500 different fandoms. Yes. So there's one star that guy. There's a Pokemon fan. Yeah. In a quickly deleted Tumblr post, DashCon staff wrote, The upper management of this hotel is threatening to shut down DashCon

unless we give them $17,000 by 10%. mpm please go to dashcon.org and click the donate button and give anything you can unless we get this by tonight everything is cancelled we suspect it's due to the fact that upper management doesn't like the people at the con yeah that's right they've oh this is discrimination oh yeah oh if we don't have the money to pay for the thing yeah I bet great can you believe that I cannot believe it. I've just had an idea if our police businessman

was going to run a panel. I actually can't look at him. It could be called Boys in Blue Chip. He's back. He's back on board. Thank you. Got a smattering. What about who's blue chip is it anyway?

Oh. Oh, whose line is a blue chip? There is. There it is. Whoa. There it is. tonight's going to rule well before you continue

so I have to have an announcement to make we've just been told by the management here the show will be cancelled unless we have $17,000 in cash put on the stage in the next three minutes please give everything you can you know what that's a lot of pressure

hello Jess's mark has actually been cut honestly we were not kidding we were not kidding what happened did someone throw a coin at her is your mic back yes

yes I'm back okay yeah someone just made a big donation to the bar thank you thank you so much we can keep going

that is that is so funny that they've gone we think it's because they don't like the type of people we've attracted yeah do you think

that's why or do you think there could be another reason yeah okay yep you're not going to you're going to tell us like you've been hiding the fact that they are like a minority group or something

just to make you guys look really bad yeah yeah in the end of oh oh i should have said they're all protestant yeah you know illinois is a catholic town parts so I mean nothing's beating whose line is it Tumblr is it Tumblr

so a writer called Garvia Baker Whiteclaw wrote fordaily.com that's fun to say daily dot dot com footage of the fundraiser announcement shows

convention organizers soliciting donations from a crowded ballroom of tumbler users many of whom hand over cash and then break into song while performing the three finger salute

from the hunger games It actually does get even better You heard three-finger salute And you had some other say in here I remember when Katna Sabine Did two in the big one in the stick Yeah Is that it?

Oh, there's multiple combinations. Well, it all depends on, you know. It's really deal as choice. Length of Gooch? I've become, I don't know if, I'm starting to make our live episodes unreleased. Yeah. Let me know if you, you've never mentioned it,

but if you want me to rain it in, I can. That's not true. We've mentioned it. Yeah, in front of the crowd. Yeah, yeah. We're quite obvious when we want you to shut the fuck up. Today's not that day, my friend. I've, so, okay, imagine a room of 300 plus people all doing this.

You fucking nerds! But then, I've seen some of the footage, and they start singing. Firstly, they go for Queens, we are the champions. And then, are there any musical theatre nerds in? And then they go for Les Mise. Do you hear the people sing? Oh, they get it. That's like a real protest song or something.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's for the downtrodden. Yeah, it's for the hard done by. In the musical, it's like about prisoners of war or something, right? Sure. I don't know. I've only seen Annie, you know this. Yeah, I know. I know.

Oh, my God. They're like handing over cash. Do you hear the people sing? Singing a song of angry. Shut up, you nerds. Organizers later posted an explanation for the situation, stating that they had an earlier agreement with the hotel that they were going to pay in installments

over the course of the weekend. Great. The contract doesn't say that, but they, in the conversation, the hotel said, sure, his name was Kevin or something.

Handshake deal seemed to imply that that was what they were after. We assume. Yeah. As pretty experienced business people. Is this still the mouse woman? No, she's around. She's involved still a bit.

She's involved. Yeah. Essentially, they're like, well, we don't necessarily have the cash up front, but with those door sales, we'll have it. We'll just, like, give it to you in chunks. Yeah, we're good for it. Which obviously they have not done straight away. So the hotel's like, okay, so we need payment, which is crazy.

And there's some manager who has okay at all this who's in a lot of shit right now. Probably, yeah. But it doesn't, it's pretty bold, given that most ticket holders should have been pre-purchased. So I think they're assuming that all. All 500-day tickets are going to be purchased, which at its maximum is going to bring 15 grand, which is still not enough. So it's not good planning, but do you hear the people sing? And they're refunding most of the people like a lot of... Oh yeah, they said like donate.

It's just to like cover us for this one-off payment and then we'll refund you. How do you refund everyone in cash? Yeah, you don't. So attendees at the con and people following on Tumba were asked to donate many people made donations via PayPal we have that available

tonight as well if you want and someone walked around with a paper bag collecting cash and they did promise to refund everyone who'd loaned them the $17,000 including those who donated in cash but there was no written proof of anything and there's no evidence to say that anybody

got their refunds. I think it later was in some small print that if you'd donate it on PayPal, you get it back, but I don't know that that happened. So that's fine. A secondhand report from one of the attendees who talked to the staff says that the hotel requested the payment

when the organiser could not fulfill the room block they'd agreed with the hotel management. So they'd also said, like, we're having like 7,000 people come. Put aside some rooms for us. 7,000 of your finest rooms, please. And then, like, three people have booked.

Yeah, it was about 15% of what they were pretty confident they were going to get. So the hotel were like, hey, you owe us some cash. And I hate to side with hotels, but that's not unreasonable. Hate to side with hotels. Those dogs. Everyone knows evil hotels. Those absolute dogs. So the podcast I mentioned before, welcome to Night Vale.

They were obviously invited to the convention. They were a big selling point for a lot of people attending. They arrived, but they pulled out when organisers were unable to pay for their flights, hotel or performance fee. They arrived. Yeah, they got there. And then their rooms were not paid for. The performance fee was not possible. Oh man, I hope this goes the way that we would do it.

No one knows what they look like. We're welcome to Nightvale all of a sudden. I've never heard, to be honest, I've never heard it before, but I assume it's something like, Welcome to Night Bay Yes, I am the host of the show And I reckon we could play our way through it Should we do it now? Have you ever heard it?

Yeah, ages ago, about that long ago Well, you could host then Okay, bring us in what you need You were doing a great job though Was that basically it? Basically it, oh, we've got to check What's happening in the local town tonight? Oh, it's not vaguely on track there

Yeah, yeah Oh, I'm off to do my shopping I've got a list Better not forget the bill Something like that Yeah Oh, it's spooky milk Is it stuff like that?

Yeah, spooky milk That's about right It's like dull but spooky Yeah I have no idea That feels right Yeah feels right Feels right to us

Yeah Any welcome to Nightveal fans in Oh Big fans I think that might have been a mouse husband Yeah I do A ghost mouse husband

I do Anyway Jesus Christ So they've said we're not going on Because you haven't given us anything to be here Yeah this is bullshit And the organisers responded on their official Tumblr

that they did have money to pay the cast but had technical difficulties that prevented it from happening. So they're being very unreasonable. Yeah. Of course we do. There's just technical difficulties. Yeah.

Like with the payment? Technical difficulties, David. A staff member posted on their personal tumbler that the cast of Welcome to Night Vale lied and that they actually were paid but chose to leave anyway. That's such a great way to do it. That's awesome.

We should have done that. This is fun, but if we could have just not been here, how good without him? That would have been great. Yeah. What would we be doing right now? Four. So many things.

So, yeah. So many fun and interesting things. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. How to list them all. Yeah, wow. Oh, Saturday night. Me? Yeah, you're wild.

Oh, just partying. I'll say there's nothing illegal. never never should be illegal the way we do it man because we do it so badly yeah it's an obstruction of justice anyway so apparently the cast just went and got themselves an Airbnb and other guests of the convention also left and went and crashed with them including the artist I mentioned before N.D. Stevenson who I wrote I wrote had to moderate his own panel because the schedule moderator

just didn't turn up. So it's a panel interviewing you. I'll take this one. Great question, yes. Ooh, that's a good one. I hadn't thought about that before. Awful. Organizers offered various prizes to attendees

who'd paid for tickets for the panel. They probably wanted a refund, but they're like, no, no, we'll give you a prize, including, and this brings us to a very important part of the story, One of the prizes was an extra hour with the ball pit. With the ball pit is awesome. You can do whatever you want with it.

We'll turn around. Yeah. An extra hour. Yeah, I don't know if you'd been picturing a ball pit, but there was one. Extra hour with the ball pit. Oh, I want to be very clear. The ball print was free. And an hour is a long time to spend in a bowl-pit.

But an extra hour, that's you time. Now, are you picturing quite a large ball pit? Like, way bigger than this room. Like huge. Like Olympic-sized swimming pools, what I'm imagining. Am I off? Is it even bigger? It's even bigger.

It's like a kitty pool. It's a kiddie pool that they put some balls out. An Olympic-sized kiddie pool. I think you could fit a bare. six people. Well, that's why you need an extra hour. You have to wait your turn. Exactly right.

It was also in another giant empty room. That's art. That's art. That's art. I welcome you to pull your phones out and Google dash con kiddie pool because it's the grimmest thing ever. And it's so funny. If you do Google it, show it around to people around you. I meant to have it up to show you guys, but it's very funny stuff.

So, yeah, you could win if you didn't get to go to the. show you paid money for you could get in the ball pit yeah but not complaining you win the chance to get in the ball pit which you could do anyway you could absolutely have done at any time because I'm imagining it's not a huge cue no no line no line whatsoever nobody wants to get in the ball pit there are rumors oh we'll hear that someone pissed in the ball pit can I can I oh yeah that's as you'd expect it's hard to describe how shit it is though pass your phone back so you'll get it back. We promise you we'll get it back.

It's really grim. I'm loving seeing phones shown around. See, this is community. Honestly, if you haven't said it, we could probably fit four of those on this stage. If it could hold six people, we're comfy in there, you know? It's not even blown up. That's right.

It was blown up at the start of the day. It deflated a little. But for me, a winner's a win. I'm my full hour in that ball pit no no not in it with it with it people come home like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa you just get to stare next

and sort of padding it yeah oh easy girl easy so as shh oh easy girl so as you can imagine

the ball pit became an instant meme it took over the internet with it Within a couple of days, a video game developer had created DashCon Simulator 2014. That's very good. Which is just a simulation of a big

empty room with a ball pit in it. Sometimes I love the internet. Oh man. So the convention wasn't exactly what the organisers or the attendees had hoped for. Response to the convention was mainly critical, with some speculating that it was a scam while others thought it wasn't malicious,

it was just the result of poor management or incompetence. They were being ambitious, but maybe not quite pulling it off. The organisers' lack of experience has been criticised as it has led to questionable decisions, such as setting a comparatively high ticket price for a fan-run convention, announcing a partnership with actor Misha Collins' not-profit organisation random acts, despite that not being true.

They had not partnered with them. Oh. Only releasing 500 daily tickets. which would have made it almost impossible to achieve their projected five to $7,000 aim, attendance, sorry, not dollar. So they were selling out basically

just, they had capped it way too low? No, because like a lot of the people that attended had bought tickets ahead of time. Right. Then they were at 500 at the door. Which they weren't selling anyway. They weren't selling anyway. But if they wanted to,

if they were hoping to have 7,000 people in attendance, why are you capping the daily at 5,000? you know just the math ain't mathen and that's coming from me okay you didn't have to laugh that I know what I'm about anyway a former committee member had posted their personal experience of the preparations that went into the convention claiming poor communication lack of transparency unrealistic goals such as trying to get Dylan O'Brien from Teen Wolf oh my God now I know why you pick this topic, Jess. Who's that?

No, don't worry about it. She only talks about him all the time. You don't listen. Is this, this isn't the movie version, obviously? No, it's the TV series that was around that time. Yeah, right. Fair enough. It had fans on Tumblr.

But they also, like, they had this goal of getting Tom Hiddleston from the Marvel movies. Like, we could get Loki. They could not get Loki. Oh. They could have at least aimed for someone in their country. Why'd they go for an English guy? You know what I mean? It's probably an Illinois.

Illinois. What the fuck would that be? Illinoisian. Illinoisian. What was it? Yeah. Yeah. Well, they have really shortened it.

So you can understand. Why, I didn't realize. You should have got one of the local... Yeah. One of the emmen. Yeah. Yep. Yeah.

I reckon he was answering a different question. You're still with us? Yeah. He's a friend leading of it. Do you want to leave? Yep. Okay, so just to wrap it up, some attendees claim that the outside reaction is overblown

and it's exaggerated, and that even those who found the control, Convention Chaotic said they had a good time. They had a bit of fun. It's way better than some of the disasters we've talked about. Oh, totally. Fire festival? Fire festival.

We're like stuck on an island. Woodstock 99. Woodstock 69. We did another woodstock, I reckon. But pretty much all those ones were overcrowded. This one sounds luxurious. Yeah, yeah. And a lot of people are staying at this quite nice hotel.

Yeah. Honestly, it seems like a victimless crime because the only victim is a hotel and they are Obviously evil. Obviously. Any hoteliers. Good. Yeah, so they're like, the staff were nice. They were doing their best.

We got to, you know, we had a bit of fun. But it wasn't a convention convention. You know what I mean? They're like some of the outside reactions a bit overblown. So they got the 17 grand and they were able to see out the whole weekend? I'm not sure, actually, if the entire weekend went ahead. There seemed to be a lot of. there was a lot of footage on YouTube of just like the organizers sitting at one of the panel

tables like talking to microphones being like yeah you know like we did our best we're trying so I don't I don't think everything that was supposed to happen happened at the end of the convention the organizers announced that they were still going to go ahead with their plans for a 2015 convention in Indiana and that did not go ahead that is surprising yeah but earlier this year in July DashCon 2 took place in Toronto

Wow Wow It's about all it it deserves But I watched a YouTube video about it And when they said The 550 tickets they made available I was like oh thank God it had been so reasonable

They're not like 7,000 people They sold out really quickly of the 550 I think in the end it ended up being more like a thousand people attending and it focused on celebrating a very specific era of fandom culture as well as the original dashcon event so yes there was a kiddie pool they thought they thought that was very important to include although this one was much bigger oh it could fit easily that's against the spirit of things to 10 people oh okay great um it's it's generally seen as having been very successful especially compared to the original dashcon and it also raised seven thousand

for the Canadian Cancer Society. Oh, that's great. What a result. So they're apparently keen to hold a third dashcon to be held in 2026 or 2027. I say we go. Melbourne. I forget where we are. Adelaide. Adelaide.

Wow, that'd be huge. We're not going to take another one from you guys. Don't worry. You can have this one. I just wanted, like, I didn't entirely know the tone, like, how you guys would receive me just shitting on this convention that seemed to come from quite a nice place. So that's why towards the end, I'm like, oh, they raise money for cancer, cancer. Wow. Yeah, great.

To be a bit more positive. But I say, long may it rain. Dashcon, come to Adelaide, please. Yes. Yes. Dashcon Adelaide, 2027. Yes. Let's start the campaign now.

Let's do it. We don't have enough time to organise it for next year. That's all I'm taking. Oh yeah, it's November. Yeah, no. Like, honestly, I think... 2030. A city that can put on things like a Christmas parade in November.

Yeah. I think that's the kind of town with the kind of the foresight and the big thinking. And what are you thinking? Maybe you would put it around March when nothing else is going on in the city? Yeah. It is weird that you don't have your Christmas parade on then as well in March. Spread it out a bit, Adelaide. You got so many good things.

The year guard just said nah. Oh, I heard one little... I agree. I liked that. It was a fun fun fun fun. Anyway, so at the end, that's fantastic. Give one of Jess Perkins and DashCon. Thank you so much.

You guys really had to hang in there, and you did. Thank you so much. I don't know about you, but I'm going to go home and sign up for Tumblr. Oh, yeah. Feels like it could be big. Yeah. It's coming back.

It's coming back. Actually, I logged on, and one of my good friends, like, came up on the dashboard. Like, he's still using it regularly. I was like, he just did this the other day. He's posted like, hello, is anyone listening? I'm trapped in the bathroom, hello I'm trapped in the ball pit

I'm trapped with the ball pit oh I love it that's so good but I should call him yeah make sure he's okay you're on Tumblr dude is everything okay

is everything all right there's other stuff now yeah get out there man get out of the bathroom man well we've had some fun here tonight No, honestly, thank you so much for coming out to the Rana room here on our Saturday night. It's our Saturday night as well.

Your Saturday night, we're doing it together. We will be hanging out up the back of the room as you leave. You can either say hello or, as we always say, awkwardly avoid eye contact. That's totally fine. She's very welcome. That's allowed. We've brought over some merchandise that we had to pay... Legal.

Legal. It's all legal stuff. We did have to pay Jetstar some money to bring it over, though. We've got some tote bags, tour posters, pins. We've got some stickers and some magnets. And you can get one of each in the Dugawan show bag. It's very, very exciting. But you can also just come along and say hello if you like.

Or like we said, we can leave it at some stage. But we like to thank... We need to sell 17K of merch tonight. But before you go, can we please give a big round of course to Craig and everyone at the Rhino Room? Thank you so much. to Rod on sound. Rudd, good to see you again.

And I believe Matt has an announcement. Yeah, what was the venue called again, Craig, that the show's on tonight that I'm doing soon? You are over at the Howling Out in Needfrick. Howling Out Needfrick. It's like the second week they've been running this new comedy night.

I'm going to be over there doing 10 minutes of new material and maybe some old material because I'm a coward. but I've been told that anyone here tonight can get $5 tickets on the door if you say that you're coming from the Dugoons show so I'd love to see you over there should be a lot of fun It starts at 8 o'clock

starts at 8 o'clock and it says.com.com.au's on as well and a bunch of locals is going to be so much fun. Should be fantastic. That's guaranteed, Craig, is that right? Craig says on Stella Catmoss, I think, as well is so at 8 o'clock over the house.

Is fun guaranteed? Yes, Craig. You did seem to dog the guarantee yeah we've got a guarantee though that's on record I am wearing a wire and um oh flies and out of the door so you'll have all the info at the door but I please be there he needs this we can all walk over in single file if you like that's nice all right that's the end of the show thank you again for coming out Adelaide we love you

and we'll see you next time. Good night. Bye. Thank you. And we're back in the room. And by room, I mean studio. That's right. This room is a studio.

This room is a studio. We're back in Melbourne. Thank you so much to the wonderful. Oh, that sounded sarcastic. But genuinely, the wonderful audience we had in Adelaide. Yeah, so much fun. Afterwards, we met a bunch of you on the way out, which is lovely. So nice.

And it's great to be there at the Rhino Room, which is an iconic comedy venue in Adelaide. I'd never done The Rino Room. Well, now you have, you can tick it off. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. Because it does feel iconic. And a lot of my, when I was doing more stand-up, a lot of my closest friends were Adelaideans. And the Rino Room was like a, yeah, it was a sacred ground.

So when I was setting up the tech of the gig, Craig, who, who runs Adelaide comedy was helping out, of course, and he's got a projector going, and he's got 15 or 20 years... No, they celebrated 20 years last Adelaide Fringe. Anyway, two decades worth of photos that it just randomly plays on the projector for like hundreds of hours.

And it's amazing how the people that have been there. The big names. Yeah. And also just other people that grew up in Adelaide have since gone on to do really massive things. Yeah, so nice. It's a really great place that nurtures a lot of local talent. island as well. It was an honour to be there and what a hot crowd. It was so nice. It was a really

fun, very receptive crowd. We loved your vibe. Loved seeing there's a point where I was like, show other people around you if you're going to Google the kitty pool, show the others. And I could just see phones being like shown around and passed around. And I was like, this is a nice. A little ripples of laugh. A nice sense of community. See how crappy the trampoline was. Yeah, so funny. And then afterwards, you and I, of course, went back to our hotel room. Yep. We had these little single beds side by side, but it was so close we could reach out and touch each other. It was weird, yeah. I feel like we, yeah, yep.

But we enjoyed some fantastic pizza. Yes. And couldn't get the built-in crime cast to the hotel TV to work. So instead of watching the movie we planned to watch, we just watched four episodes back-to-back of House Hunters International. And it was honestly a perfect night. It was so great. Then you got the pods out, the Mars Bar Pods. Yes, for dessert.

That was delicious. And then... Got up early. the next morning to fly home. That's right. What a joy. Thank you for having us, Adelaide. What a beautiful city. Yeah, a very nice place. But that brings us to the section of the show where we like to spend a bit of time thanking the wonderful people who support us on Patreon.com slash do go on pod. There's a bunch of different levels on there, a bunch of different rewards. Like what, Davy Boy? You can get four bonus episodes every single month as well as access to the

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watch this whole thing. That's right. Well, actually... Not this one. Sorry, not this one. Not the live ones because traveling to state, we're already bringing a full suitcase full of audio tech, a full suitcase full of merch. We can't do cameras and stuff as well. Sorry. Sorry about that. But it's, um, trust us. It's, it's not worth it. Um, so what we're going to do now is a little section of the show that is affectionately a called Fact Quota Question and I think it has a little jingle that goes a little something like this.

Fact Quote or question You were about to sing it. Yes, I nearly went to autopilot and started singing. How would that be autopilot for you? You never sing it. I have always sung it. Yeah, but at home, I sing it. Give it to me now, go for it.

Fact Quote question. Yeah, I should let you do it. Damn it. Yes, it would have sucked. I would have... Voice of an angel. A dying angel. Thank you so.

And this is where people on the arsprud, no, no, Shineberg level or above, correct? That's right. Get to give us a fact, a quote, a question, a brag, a suggestion, some gossip, some a recipe, a joke. It can be literally anything. And I've got a couple of people giving us facts, quotes or questions this week. Dave, are you ready? I am so ready for these facts, quotes, and our questions. Okay, our first one comes from Katie Stackett.

who has given... You get to give yourself a title as well. Katie's title is Superior Sniffer of Grape-derived fermented liquid. Okay. I can't for the life of me figure out what she's talking about,

but... But keep sniffing. Keep sniffing. And Katie's giving us a fact. And the fact is, this might be a fact, depending on your strict criteria of a fact.

Okay. Very strict over here. Very interesting. I'm looking ahead. I haven't read any of this, but it's a bit long. Let's see if there's a fact in here. Somewhere in here.

Some way there's got to be a fact. I once had an old Alaska native traditional chief of the Gwichan Nation living eight miles north of the Arctic Circle. Tell me a story of how he was cured from a stomach ulcer he suffered from by adding porcupine shit to a hot stew. Oh my gosh. He claimed that after tripping out for a few hours and a solid night's rest, he was completely healed of his ailment. You can imagine my disbelief. However could animal waste possibly have medicinal qualities? Here is where the fact comes in.

A staple of the porcupine's diet is bark from the birch tree. The birch tree generates a pitch that has antiseptic and anti-microbriol. I've always struggled with that. Anti-microbial characteristics. You might call it nature's neosporan. The healing qualities are attributed to its active compounds, particularly the tritapines, butylene, and butelonic acid. Back to maybe this is.

the fact, the chief told me that the healing properties of the birch pitch ingested by porcupine were concentrated in the animal's turds, making it a perfect medicine. Now, I'm not sure why he didn't just ingest the pitch directly as they make syrup out of the stuff, so it's got to taste a heck of a lot better than dung. Porcupine shit, it's a hell of a drug, folks. This should not be considered medical advice in any way, shape or form, you know, disclosure. So that's important. There you go.

Do you think there's a fact in there? Yeah, that Pokemon shit can be medicinal. Can be medicinal. And we are doctor, so we can say. Yeah, I agree with that. And also, like, knocking, saying that it would taste better than Pokemon shit, unless you've eaten it. Yeah, how do you know? We don't know.

Let's not knock it to a try it. Maybe it tastes fantastic. Never know. Maybe add it to a stew flavor as well. I mean, there's that, you know, very highly sought after coffee that is made from beans that animals shit out. Yeah. So, you know?

Only coffee I'll drink. Poor coffee. No, poo coffee. Every time we go up for coffee, and it's often, and it's the same cafe most weeks, but Dave's always like, you guys got poo coffee? I'll just go through the minute. Has an animal pooed this? Oh, no?

No, I'll have a macho then. Animal pooed? Pancake, animal pooed this? Has an animal pooed this? Oh. So do you like eggs then? Yeah, I guess so. It feels like animals.

It's close to a pulling. An animal has cloaked to this. An animal has cloaked this. Has an animal poodle colloquy. Thank you so much. Extend the definition. Thank you, Katie. Interesting.

Yeah, that's a good one. Hey, I've got to tell you, if it works, it works. Yes. It works. If it works, it works. I'm fine with, uh, with, um, what's the word I'm looking for? Plessibos. Oh, okay.

Sorry. I'm fine with poo. I'm fine with placebos. Yeah. If they work. Uh, next up, if they work is Matt number one. Matt number one is giving themselves a title Tinder profile manager for sexually active popes.

I like that a lot. That's really good. And Matt number one is giving us a question. The question is, what is something you misunderstood for way too long? As always, as we always ask people who ask questions to answer it themselves if they want to. Matt has done that. Examples for me, I always thought the phrase was for all intensive purposes. That's a common run, I reckon.

Not all intents and purposes. Probably because I first heard it in a cleaning product, in a cleaning products as a kid. Hmm. Oh, like in an ad or something? Maybe. As someone who has lived in Brisbane all their lives, I always thought... Or maybe is, or do they do, like, that's their joke tagline for all intensive purposes. Yes, probably.

Yeah, okay. Probably. Matt goes on. As someone who's lived in Brisbane all their lives, I always thought there was a music stadium in Sydney branded by the Maya department store, the Sydney Maya Music Bowl. One day while working in Melbourne, a colleague said, let's go to a concert at the Sydney Mya Music Bowl. I commented that they must be a keen fan to go to Sydney on a work night and be back on the job at six the next morning. very confused looks.

Yes, Sydney Myr Music Ball is named after Sydney Meyer. That's right. It's an SI. And is in Melbourne. That's the confusion. You're telling a Melbourne person, oh, they're going to Sydney for that when it's like, no, there. Tonight, you're going to go to the gig tonight of Sydney.

Right next to the city. Easily accessible. Very accessible, yes. Yeah, yeah, yep. I think I've walked home from there once. That's cool. I've walked home for there too. It's a long walk.

On New Year's Eve. Yeah. Went to that, when the Falls Festival fell over and they had to do it at the, is usually like out camping, but for maybe fire reasons or something. Yeah. They had to do it in the city, so I saw the Arctic Monkeys headline at midnight. Was it COVID reasons maybe? Oh, maybe it was, yeah.

Fireworks went off over the city, which is great because you're right there. Beautiful. They come back on, play another few songs, and then I'm walking home. Walking home. Beautiful. Gorgeous. Something you misunderstood for way too long. I just remembered one for a long time, like embarrassingly long.

New South Wales. Yes. I spelled that with an H. Wales, not as in it's named after the country Wales. How long? Like into Adel. Wales, New South Wales. Yeah, whatever.

And I never even thought about it. I'm like, hang on a second. Wales. Wales. Yeah. I'm only laughing because it's you and you're... And geography.

You're very good at geography and you're very smart. Yeah, stupid stuff. No, but that's the thing. There are just like gaps in all of our knowledge. Yeah, when you just like, because you don't, It's one of those things you just don't think about again. Yes. And let me ask you what came first.

Wales or Wales? Country. No, the animal. The animal. Oh, pause. Animal. It's not a riddle. I agree.

They're really old and really big. They're really old and really big. And Wales is the country really old. Yeah, but not very big. Not very big. Compared to other countries. Correct. I think for me, the one that pops into my head is,

you know, if you go to like a fancy. a restaurant and you get a digger station menu. It's like a tasting menu. You know, they sort of bring stuff out for you. There might even be like, like paired wines and stuff like that. I thought until I saw it written down, that was digger station. Digger station. Yeah, I thought it was digger.

D I-D-I-G-E-R kind of like. Station. That's great. For a while. Then I saw it written down at a restaurant and was like, it's not digger station. But if I was just saying, I'll have the. digger station. Yeah, you'd get away with that. But what, in your mind, what was it conjuring up the image? Diggers. Okay. Yeah. The Anzax. Dicking out a station. Our boss. Yeah, I've, I've no

idea. I don't know why I thought it was called that. I never looked into the backstory. And if I had, I would have figured out it's not called a digger station. That's so good. There's also things. Yeah, I'm sure I'll be thinking of some of the drive home today and be like, oh, yeah, remember when you didn't know that? Yeah. You're an idiot. Same with like the honk if you're horny or, or those sort of bumper stickers. Like, hmm? Like the point of those is that if someone's honking at you,

it's sort of a joke on them. You know? You're like, huh, guess you're horny. I was like, that's pretty funny. Then people could walk along and go,

you know, because they're horny. That's not quite how it's supposed to work. Anyway, thank you to Matt number one and Katie Stackau for those wonderful facts, quotes or questions.

Thank you so much. Next thing we need to do, what episode are we doing here? I figured it out. So the next thing we like to do is we usually do a bit of a shout-out and we make a bit of a game of it, Dave. That is correct. And this week we were talking about dash-con. Yes.

Fantastic conference around Tumblr. Do you have any ideas? Maybe we could do like what convention they're attending or like starting. They're on the planning committee for a particular convention of something. Okay. Do it take turns? I've got really emotional. I just want to take turns.

I just love conventions. Or do you want to go like half and half? Oh, we can take it in turns. Do you reckon? Let's do it. It's just every time we try to take it in turns, we forget where we're up to. But I think we can do this. Right, because there's only two of us.

You kick it off. From Pasco Vale here in Victoria. Hello and thank you to Craig. Baked potatoes. Really? He's on the convention on the board. The baked potato convention. Wow.

Do you reckon there's sort of like the Spudfest. Cheese section over here, sour cream section. Yes. Whether you want meats. Yep. Beans. Wow. Whether you're a sweet potato kind of person.

Yeah. White potato. Yep. Yams. Yeah. It could be anything. Love it. It's going to, yeah, it's going to be big.

And I can ask Jess, how did she come up with that one? I'd rather you not ask, Dave. I'm still full from lunch. Okay. Next I would like to thank. Oh, actually, I've already done it. See? See?

We fuck it immediately. Oh, no. I feel like an idiot. Next, I would like to thank. I'd like to thank them as well, to be clear. Address unknown. We can only assume deep within the fortress and the malls. Naomi.

Naomi is a convention for staplers. Oh, the stapler car. Yes, they're a stapler a car. Oh, would they also have stuff like staple removers? Oh, no, that's anti. Right. What about hole punches? Yeah, whole punch.

I feel like anything that, they want something that puts a hole in. But not takes a hole out. Not takes a hole out. Sounds weird, doesn't it? Does. Takes a hole out? Yeah, they feel weird about the tagline, but they've printed a thousand posters.

Wow. What kind of size venue are they? 10,000. It's quite big. Stapler Khan. Stapleakan, 2025. Go to our new year. They tour as well. Oh, have they full time? Yeah, it's pretty massive. Yeah, they got the big names of staplers. Oh, yeah, who have you got? You've got, uh, office works.

Yep. Uh, she's a blue one. Anko. Anco, that's a good one. There's got to be an Anko stapler. Yeah. Thank you, Naomi. Next up, I would like to thank from Brisbane in Queensland.

Thank you to Pete Moffat. Dreamcatchers. Oh, that's good. Yeah. Did you have a dream catcher at all growing up? Yeah, we made them in primary school, but I was sick that day. So then my mum bought me one, and the bought one was way better than anything I could have made. So much better.

It was so good. It was like purple, beautiful, loved it, and caught all my dreams. Yeah, everyone else's dreams was shit. I haven't dream since. Yeah, did you throw it away? I don't have dreams. of any kind Can you get a dream catch?

I don't have goals sort of aspirations or because you threw it away Yeah Foolish I would like to thank from Katie in Texas

Shikata Kida Is that something? Not for me You gotta go watch Blues Brothers My friend Anna Oaks Anna Oaks Convention of Seashells

Whoa Yeah like really big ones Little small ones Really rare ones Okay. What about like kind of broken ones, but still mostly in part? I feel bad about this, but one of my great guilty pleasures is walking along the beach if there's a lot of seashells washed up and just crunching them. Is that bad? I think I'm just making more sand. True. But then what about homes for crabs? Or what about shells for people who collect shells?

I feel bad for the people that collect shells. Do you also just walk along and stomp on snails? You psycho? No, but I like a crunchy leaf. Sure. And a stick, love a crunch. I think you'd love to step on a snail. You don't do it on purpose. No, actually, I feel so bad. If it's dark and it's been raining, then you hear the crunch and you go, oh, God, I'm so sorry.

I can't look back. I'm so sorry. Yeah, you just have to keep going. But you feel nothing about the shells? Yeah. Okay. I mean, if I looked down and there was a hermit crab inside, yes, I would feel bad. So you're walking along the beach in shoes?

Yeah, it's like a winter, a winter activity. I will say, I'm not doing it anymore because I feel bad about it, but I still love the crunch. I miss the crunch. Yeah, sure. It's a childlike thing I can't quite look at you but am I a monster

I think I'm making I was making more sand Let's move on and thank someone day I can't look at you anymore Oh my gosh we need We need for sand pits That's just for children and dogs to piss in Next up I like to thank

From Modesto in California It's William Ramesburg William Ramsberg The sunglasses convention Oh, so cool. Yeah, we've both got sunglasses on the table. You'd never, well, yeah, because we went to the convention. Yeah, oh, wow, I've got these sort of sleek number.

Yeah. Make me look like I ride a motorcycle in 1960s. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Every time you put that on, I go, is James Dean here? Oh, my God, I say. And then I go, oh, it's Dave. It's just Dave getting out of his very sensible car.

Yeah, a very sensible family car. Oh, oh, oh, oh. It's a station wagon Politely crossing the road Oh Oh Oh Oh

Well's just my friend Dave waving at me Hello Why's he waving So disappointed Oh my god Oh Oh oh I see It's just my colleague

Who I expected to see here Thank you William I would love to thank from El Paso, Texas Autumn Autumn Love the name autumn Can I just say Autumn

Beautiful Beautiful name But Australians shorten everything. We'd probably call them like Audi. Like we'd kind of, we ruin everything. I quite like Ordy. Me too, actually. Yeah.

I just, I riffed it and I like it. Yeah. Tum, tummy. Tumny. Tumny. But Autumn's a lovely name. And Autumn is the convention for, and this is good for tonight, big New Year's Eve. Fireworks.

Oh. When the episode comes out, it's New Year's Eve. That fucking rules. Firewist convention. I'd love to go to that. Yeah, that'd be so far. I love fireworks. Like I have a, I turn into a child when fireworks are on because we can see the city fireworks from our house.

So anytime there's an event that has fireworks, Moomba, New Year's, a big concert at the MCG, I can see them. And I'll be sitting on the couch just watching TV and I can see them just, my eyes will dart over and there's, and I'm straight to the window going, ah! Or I go out in the balcony and go, ooh! Fireworks, fireworks! I love them. That's great. I used to dream about being. proposed to it during fireworks. I love fireworks.

Really? Did that happen? I never got proposed to. So there's still time. There's still time. Notice. Woo! I've just realized that tonight's the anniversary of me seeing the Arctic Monkeys at that music as well, because it was New Z from the fireworks. Oh my God. Did you propose? I did. To Alex, the singer of the Archive Monkeys. He couldn't see me off so far away. Oh, it's so disappointing.

Next up, I'd like to thank from a location that it's unknown to us, probably deep within the Fortress of the Moles as we speak. Nick Livermore. Nick Livermore. The Harmony Convention. Oh, that's good. I would love that. Do you have to sing your way in? Oh, gorgeous.

Well, no, you have to harmonize your way in. They'll give you a note and you have to... Yeah, that's nice. That's beautiful. Come on in. Come on in. That'll be $50. You have to pay as well.

Of course you do. Unless you sound really good. Yeah, unless you're, yeah. There's a few people like... And they go, come right in. Yeah. Please, it's an honor to have you. Yeah.

Um, I would, is it me? Yes, I would also love to thank also from Deep Within the Fortress of the Moles, Paul van der Malen. Paul van der Melan is the, uh, chair of the maps convention. Maps convention, you'd love that. I would. Oh, you'd see some old maps. Yes, I used to sometimes go to a map shop with my dad because he was into car rallying as a navigator. Ah, you have to get specific maps for the rallies that they do.

And you go and then there'd be like dozens of globes and all the different kinds. I wonder if that, does that map shop still? exist. Was it in Chadston? There was a map shop. Oh, no, it wasn't inside a shopping center, no. There was a map shop. It wasn't at Chadston Shopping Center.

It was in, it was on like Waverly Road, yeah. Oh my God, I reckon that's it. Yeah, used to drive past it all the time. Let me look it up. Waverly Road. I think it was Waverly Road. Yeah, Waverly Road and Warrigal. Melbourne Map Center?

Possibly. Established 1981. Shopfront closed 2017. Yeah. So I worked at Chatson, Fashion Capital and lived in that. area. I would drive past that map shop all the time. Oh, damn. Oh, look at this. There's a blog with all the like, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, wow. Full of maps. Obviously, the people running it were very into maps. Of course. I was fascinated as a child. It actually tracks so beautifully that your

dad would be into like rally car driving as a navigator. Yes, well, that's because before we were born or whatever, he had the car and all that sort of stuff. Sick. Yeah, he, oh man, historic rallying. He's very into that. old cars, but then sold the car once the kids came along and there's been... And kids came and ruined everything. Sorry, Dad. Took away his passion. But he's also won a bunch of rallies as a navigator.

That's cool. It's cool. I didn't know that. Yeah. So he likes to go fast. Yes, he does. I think I could, yeah, I don't know if, oh, would I be the driver or the navigator? I'm not very good at navigating.

I'd have to be the driver. Damn. Yeah, I imagine you'd be getting quite carcic looking down at the map telling it. True. What's coming up next? I do like, I prefer to drive. You need to be in charge. Do you want to be my navigator?

Yes. Would you trust me? Yes. Would you actually? I would trust you with the map. Yeah. Would you trust me to drive? Yeah.

Oh, I'd probably have to learn manual. I give up on this new dream already. I told you I don't have dreams. Fair enough. All right. One last one, I think, to bring this home. Am I correct? Yes, from a location that is unknown to us as well.

Probably listening right now in the fortress. Cabin Lab or in the cabin. Cabin Lab. Oh, that's nice. Curfing convention. Surfing. It's a coastal cabin. Oh, I love it.

Yeah. Like within walking distance of the beach? Oh, yeah, absolutely. Just across the road. That's so good. Nice little path into a gorgeous beach. Take your board. Sunny day.

And do they have that sort of wave pool that you can surf? Yeah. Urban surf. It's called the ocean. But at the convention. Or is that at the beach too? Oh, at the convention, definitely. That's where the convention is being held.

Is it an urban surf. Beautiful. Chris Hemsworth's there. Of course he is. Liam, maybe if he's a free. Really? And the other one? Luke's invited.

Great. But he's too busy. Has an RSVip. Yeah. That's huge. Thank you to Cabin Lab, Paul, Nick, Autumn, William, Anna, Pete, Naomi and Craig. And the final thing we need to do, David, see if there's anybody to induct into the Trip Ditch Club. It looks like we do have a few, actually. This is our Hall of Fame or our Clubhouse for people who have been supporting the show

on the shout-out level or above for three consecutive years. They've never dropped off. They've stayed true. They've already had a shout-out a couple of years back. But now, to enshrine them forever, their name goes up on the wall, we welcome them into the club. It's a bit of a theatre than mine, but once you're in, you can never leave. Yeah. Why would you want to? Why would you want to? It's got everything you need. The toilets are fixed. They're fixed? Yes. Thank goodness, because New Year's Eve, they're going to be busy. Yeah, and I've had a lot of dairy. Yeah. Which is good. Well, it doesn't typically impact me too much. Yes. But I've had a lot. Oh, okay, right. Enough that would make anyone quite ill.

Yes. Yeah, yeah. In fact, it might not even be about the dairy. Yeah, it's just the quantity of anything. It's liquid intake. Yeah. I assume it's milk. Mm-mm. Just lead, oh, okay. Sour cream. Oh, good. I've had a lot of sour cream, just as is. Sounds like warm?

Yeah. And you always organise a food, food or a drink. Wow. Oh, wow, you think there's so much sour cream. No, it's New Year's. So we're having, we've got champagne. Oh, cheers. Got cocktails.

Beautiful. We've got sex on the beach. Oh, fun me. And a drink. Bit of fun. I love my drink at first. I got sparklers. They're too hot.

they are those things are hotter than the sun aren't they are they are very dangerous is that hotter than the sun that can't that can't be david well i'm thinking of i think that's lightning lightning is hotter than the sun but people have been struck by lightning there's a website called wedding day sparklers sparklers versus sun discover the heat differences are sparklers hotter than the sun or is this a myth it is a myth at the end of the day it's unequivocally true that the sparklers are not higher temperature than the sun i have heard that before But you thought people were putting something in their child's birthday cake that was hotter than the sun, David. Someone else has written, the sparklers burn at high temperatures as hot as 1,800 to 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit, which is 1,000 to 1,600 degrees Celsius, responsible for 16% of legal fire-related injuries in the US.

They are really hot. I'm not saying they aren't hot. Are you hearing me? you would not put something in your child's birthday cake that is as hot as the sun. But would you put something in child's birthday cake that is 1,500 degrees? Even that's insane. Oh yeah, that's crazy. What are we doing?

That's crazy. But we're all adults. So we've got them for New Year's. Woo! Happy New Year's everyone. I'm going to play Old Langsign. Oh. And you know who's going to be taking the stage at midnight after Old Langsign?

You're never going to believe it. What? This is of course, after a mind, he was about DashCon. Yes. And I've booked. You're never going to believe it. Dashboard. Can Fah!

No fucking way. Those email 2,000 guys. Can for one night, we rename them Dashboard Convention? Yes, we can. Conventional if they want that. Please. Wow. That's good stuff.

Please welcome to the stage. Dashboard conventional. That's great. What an absolute get. Now, I'll play the role of Matt this week then. We'd never mention that Matt's not here. Oh, yes. Imagine if he was here this whole time and he'd just been quiet.

He turned his mind. Finally, he was quiet. That's so funny. He didn't have a coffee and this is what happens. I know, Matt's not here. So what I will be doing is playing the role of Matt, which is lifting the velvet rope, welcoming people in. You'll hype them up.

I'll then hype you up. We'll just get a nice flow going without Matt here going, I think I could do better than that, actually. And then he doesn't. And then he doesn't. He does something that's a bit shit and we go, okay, yeah. Oh, go for the most obvious joke. Fantastic. Yeah.

Dave's going for something creative and original. Yeah, like maybe the fourth or fifth most obvious joke. Okay. Pretty good. Are you ready? I'm ready. Let's do this. So, welcome into the Triptitch Club, the following people.

First up from Bradford in Great Britain, it's Kayle-Anne. Oh, I've really thought you're going to go with Kaeline. It's not Kailene. Fine. Kayle-Anne, Kaly-Anne, Kaly-Anne, Kaly-Anne, I'm a fan. I'm begging of you, please don't take my hand. I really, like, I want to support you. I thought, I'm almost, why would that be K-Lay-Lan?

I don't know, but if it was Kailene, can you see how good Jane... Jolene would be, yes. I was thinking about James Dean, that was my backup. You should have just sung Kailene anyway. I thought Kately Ann was funny because it doesn't work. Okay, next up from... But Kaleigh, I'm your number one fan. That's great stuff.

Woo! From Camberwell in Victoria, it's Caitlin Hodder. This ain't no fodder. You're my favourite, Caitlin Hodder. Woo! From Maidstone in Great Britain, it's Faye Diamond. I'm down on one knee and I've got a Fay Diamond. A fake diamond?

No, a Fay diamond. Oh. Which is one of the most expensive diamonds there is. One of the most valuable items on earth. And from Ramsgate, also in Great Britain, it's Daniel Faulkner. Daniel Faulkner loves to Torkner. Oh, and I love to listen. Woo!

Happy New here, everyone. Thank you, Daniel Fay, Caitlin and Kay. That's fun. Daniel Fay, Caitlin Kay. Oh my gosh, that was so fun. That was really nice. Caitlin, the only Australian in there, everybody else, a Brit. A British.

And we love it. and we welcome you. So thank you so much. That's everything then for this week. Thank you for listening. Thank you again to Adelaide. What a fantastic audience. You were so wonderful and we had a great time

and hopefully it won't be like six years before we come back again. But I make no promises. We're not no promises. But you made a great impression. Yeah, they were like, oh, she's welcome back. Yeah. She can come. Oh, you're talking to me or to Adelaide?

Oh, I see. I think you're saying I, Jess Perkins, have made a good impression. I finally won the moza. Because the thing is on the pod, rude dude. You know what I mean? Cool but rude.

Sassy. Yeah. In person, sweetie, patiti. Yes. Okay? Yes. Cudy putti, sweety patiti. Definitely.

Why aren't you looking at me? Because if I do, you'll hurt me. That's right. So, we've got to get out of here. If you'd like to suggest a topic, you can. There's a link in the show notes. And you can find us on socials. do go on pod or do go on podcast on TikTok.

That's right. We will see you next year. What? There's a good chance you're listening to this next year. Uh-huh. Isn't that so crazy? Oh my gosh. Dave, just that noise you made.

Can I just play them the sound that you made on an episode of... Nah. No, you can play, yeah. Dave made this sound on an episode of Just Rites a rom-com and I... Check it out. I was on with Matt and we were talking about the movie Ghosts or Ghosts. It was it going to as ghost. Oh, yeah, we're talking about ghost.

Oh. Again. Oh. It was too sexual. And I was not even doing a bit. No, while anything and I went, Jesus. I was literally trying to just engage in a conversation. Oh.

So, yeah, enjoy that from the future. Woo! Thank you again. Did you mention our website and all that sort of stuff? Yeah, if it's fine, they'll figure it out. Do you go onpod.com. We'll be there and we'll be in... We'll be in New Zealand very soon.

New Zealand, that's right, and Brisbane. New Zealand, in January, Brisbane in February. Head to dogoonpod.com. Although they're all sold out. So I was going to say if you want to come, but you can't. Sold out. But we added extra shows. Have they not sold out?

No, not quite. Well, at the time recording, not quite. The Brisbane one's very close. Yeah, okay. Try your luck. Try your luck. You never know. Hope to see you there.

Love you. And we'll be back next year with some more do-go-on podcast goodness. Goodbye. But until then, thank you. Goodbye. And happy new year. Goodbye. Dave, try and say something.

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