Do Go On - 548 - Pirate Anne Bonny of the Caribbean

Episode Date: April 22, 2026

Anne Bonny was one of the few women recorded as active participants of the golden age of piracy, her story is one wild ride, strap in!This is a comedy/history podcast, the report begins at approximately 09:37 (though as always, we go off on tangents throughout the report).For all our important links: https://linktr.ee/dogoonpod Check out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Who Knew It with Matt Stewart: https://play.acast.com/s/who-knew-it-with-matt-stewart/Jess Writes A Rom-Com: https://shows.acast.com/jess-writes-a-rom-comOur awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasDo Go On acknowledges the traditional owners of the land we record on, the Wurundjeri people, in the Kulin nation. We pay our respects to elders, past and present. REFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:https://allthatsinteresting.com/anne-bonnyhttps://www.britannica.com/biography/Anne-Bonnyhttps://www.amazon.com.au/General-History-Pyrates-Pirate-Captains/dp/1497385792https://gallery.lib.umn.edu/exhibits/show/mary-read-anne-bonny/fact-or-fiction-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Bonnyhttps://www.postandcourier.com/news/special_reports/the-true-and-false-stories-of-anne-bonny-pirate-woman-of-the-caribbean/article_e7fc1e2c-101d-11e8-90b7-9fdf20ba62f8.htmlhttps://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/postandcourier.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/d/53/d53297f8-dd54-11e8-a5bb-f382533ea96d/5bda2070535b3.pdf.pdfhttps://www.libs.uga.edu/reserves/docs/scans/the-life-of-anne-bonny.pdfhttps://www.nps.gov/people/anne-bonny-pirate.htm#:~:text=She%20received%20a%20temporary%20stay,to%20her%20father%20in%20Charleston. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Melbourne and Canada, we got exciting news for you. And we should also say this is 2026. Jess, what year is it? 2026. Thank God you're here. Right now, I'm in Melbourne doing my show with Serengy Amarna 630 each night at the Cooper's Inn Hotel, having so much fun. We'd love to see you there. Canada, we are visiting you in September this year.

If you've somehow missed the news, we are heading up Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal and Toronto for shows. That's going to be so much fun. Tickets for all this stuff, I believe, are online. And I'm here too. And welcome to another episode of Do You Go On. My name is Dev Warnikey and as always I'm here with Matt Stewart and Jess Perkins. Hello. Hey, how's it going?

It's so good to be here. It's so good to be alive. I don't know when this episode's coming out but we're at the back end of the comedy festival, Comedy Christmas here in Melbourne. I guess it'll be post-fest. It'll be post-fest. We'll be having that post-fest blues. Yeah.

I'll be doing welfare checks on you. Yeah. But we had a great time. At this point, we've only got one. one last live one to come. The first two have been so much fun. Really looking forward to bringing home the fest. Why am I talking about this?

It's over. It's over. It's done. Personally, I wish I was never born. Yeah, but it was good. And someone might be listening to this in 2026. And yeah, come, come see our shows.

I'm going to a lot of people listening in 2020s. Oh, are we in 2026 now? Yeah. Oh, Jesus, 27. Jeez, that snuck up on you, didn't it? Well, I'm not happy about that at all. I just lost a year of it. my life. I'm so sorry. We're four months into the year.

Oh, no. 2026, that's so futuristic. Yeah, it's like we're like fully in it. Shit. Yeah, I know. That's, I'm so sorry. That's really hard to hear. So sorry how you had to find out this way. Well, while Matt recover, Sest, do you want to do us the honours of telling people who may have never heard the show before what we do here? I would love to. So usually between existential crises, there's not much time between.

No, but we research topics usually suggested to us by our fabulous listeners. We go away, we live it, we breathe it, we research it, we bring it back to the other two, and we tell it to them in the form of a roughly year nine, pretty average year 10 report. And by average, pretty average, I mean like that student is probably not going to do 11 and 12. So when you mean pretty average, I mean, they're interested in probably something else a trade or something.

That's right, yeah. Academia is not for them. That's great. And there's nothing wrong with that. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. My brother figured that out, like he was so mature for his age. He's like, mom and dad wanted him to finish VCA, I think. So he's like, I'll do it.

But I'm not using it. I want to be a plumber. So smart. And where is he now, huh? He's plumber away. He's plumbing away. Worked that well. Yeah.

Doing quite well for himself. Yeah. Yeah. Because the trades are fucking awesome and always necessary. And you just... AI ain't replacing a plumber. You can't. Oh my God.

They can they? And we always get up to the topic with a question. Matt, have you got a question for us? I do have a question. for us. When I say us, I mean you... Yeah, please don't answer. It's unfair.

You know the answer. It's not fair. Let Dave and I have a go before you answer. Okay, the question is, who was Clyde's partner in crime? Bonnie! Correct. Oh no.

What? Oh no. What? Don't time you're doing Bonnie and Clyde. Yeah? No, I'm not doing Bonnie and Clyde. Are those in the first 50 episodes that you did that?

I'm talking... So it's time for a refresh. I'm talking about the Irish pirate and Bonnie of the Caribbean slash Caribbean. Great. Which I thought we'd done before. It came up on something we did recently. Yes, what was that?

And I looked into it and maybe we were talking about another pirate or something. I feel like it might have been on the mutiny line. We talked about how we've done a few pirate episodes. Yes, and yeah, for some reason I thought we'd already done it. But it turns out I did this on that Sleep podcast, which is a much shorter show. It's like a 10-minute show. So I read out a bunch of notes on it And this won the vote

Although I will say this In a bit of a quirk Went back to see how much of Because I'm now doing For our Patreon votes to pick the topics I'm putting up a bunch of topics And letting them pick as many as they want And that's just like an approval rating thing

Sure And I went back in to see what the approval rating is And it is now like in third spot Okay So I don't know what does that mean What should I do? Should I scrap it and just riff the winning one? Yeah.

Or do I do the winning one next time? Or do I just put them up for a vote? Fuck, I would love to make you just riff a report. Yeah, what do you reckon? Because of all days, we have like a hard out today. Yes. I mean, we could. And just watching you riff would be really funny.

No sources. Like, close the laptop. Just what you think this story is. There'd be so much of us translating for him. No, I reckon do the report you've written. Okay. Because it sounds like still lots of people want to hear the story. Yes, that's true.

I vote, will that tip it over the edge? Yeah, can I vote too? I think it, well... I'd like to see other options. Are you breaking up with me? I'd like to see other options. Such a funny way. I'd like to explore some other options. Preferably hotter ones with bigger hogs.

Good luck finding one. I don't really get it. You get me all the time. You can have hotter. You can have one of the three. Bigger hog, but you can, oh, you can have a bigger hog, but not hotter. Oh, I'd go hotter. Okay.

Yeah, how often are you riding a hog? Oh. You don't have to answer that. I thought you meant motorcycle. What if I appear shallow would say the bigger hog? So I said hotter. Yeah, that's what it was. It's not shallow.

But then I went, oh, but he's hot and he's got a tiny tick. No, no, not tiny. Why if you jump to tiny? There's more than two sizes. I just didn't. I hate that. I've done this. Yeah, it's just not intimidating.

Okay, yeah, no, hotter and perfectly adequate. I didn't say adequate. What is it? Like, not that you wouldn't go tell your girlfriend's, Jesus. Which I think is a thing men think women do a lot. Don't tell you. You would. You would.

Women definitely talk about their partner's bodies more than men do in terms of, like, hetero relationships, I'm pretty sure. I think like early in dating, yes. Once you're in a relationship, no. God, so it's weird. Rod my husband of 60 years of hog last night. Exactly. Everyone's like, I know your husband.

Yeah, true. You know what I mean? So it's very different. It's a young woman's game. And it's really the size of the hog only really comes up if it's noteworthy. Yeah. Either way? Yeah.

There you go. See, we knew. We knew it. Yeah, but I'm confident you guys are sitting just in average, so nobody's talking about it. Well, that's like we live in. our friend Cam James's space. He had that hit song medium. He's hit song, we love him.

So men catching up for brunch after going out on a date, aren't they're like, oh, you should have seen this chick's bazongas? Never in my time have I ever had that conversation with anyone. Oh, you must. It's so fun. Yeah. And never in my life have I said,

God, you should have seen how small my hook was. Couldn't get it all. It was ridiculous. I was laughing, she was laughing. We were all laughing. And that was nice. It's good to be on the same page. But not what I was going for.

I love a girl that's into humour. And I need a girl. It's into humour. With a hog this small. Her ad said she's got a great sense of humour and she showed it. She could not stop laughing. She was yucking it up. It was I just loved it.

All right. Sorry. Are you riffing a report? No. I'm going to do the report on the pirate and Bonnie. Great. So a bunch of people have suggested this topic. I've just had to go quickly through the hat.

And hopefully I got everyone's names. But it's certainly these people and maybe others. But Dana Laguerre from Minnesota. Josh Harmon from Dallas, Texas. I'm from North Carolina, a baby. That's how Army wrote it. Nice. Jonathan McGee from Urbana, Maryland.

Wow, this is a big American topic. Daniel McMeans from Sacramento. Go Kings, if they still exist, I don't think they do. Well, not from, I should say, Sigurbjr, from Sibber, Iceland. Austin Bonnie from Washington, D.C., any relation? Mandy from Miami, Florida. Justin Goodellie from Kitchener, Ontario.

Is that where going anywhere near Kitchener, Dave? Jamie Delgado, question without notice, Jamie Delgado from Virginia, and Dylan Old from Myrtleford, Victoria. Yeah, up near Desi country, which probable future topic. Yeah, but give it time. I think we'll have to give it quite a bit of time. Because it's quite a local one. Yes.

Same with the mushroom lady. Yeah. And also, well, probably with both of them, there's a lot of media and podcasts out there about it. True. Do they need to be done again through a comedy lens? probably. The mushroom I think lends itself to it. There's some pretty funny stuff in there.

Kichner is but an hour and 15 minute drive at the time of recording. Whoa. From Toronto. At the time of recording. Yeah, maybe we'll see it because the traffic could be different. Yeah, it might be in the middle of the night. Yeah, and also they could move it. Exactly.

They could be an earthquake. Yeah. And that's driving. Helicopter probably even shorter. At the time of recording. At the time of recording. Okay, so we're talking about Anne Bonnie. of the Caribbean or Caribbean.

Is it Anne with an E? Well, I've seen both. Really? So on E. I've seen both, but it does seem that the E is the more common one. The correct one. Okay. Okay.

All right, so here's a story of Aunt Bonnie. And this goes a while back, so it's a bit sketchy. But anyway, Anne Bonnie is thought to be the daughter of a lawyer named William Cormack. and his housekeeper Mary Brennan. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Bastard. Yeah.

Oh, my God. El-Igitimate. Whoa. Is that allowed? I don't think so. Not in proper society. And he's a lawyer, so he's sort of like a top end of town type. He's an, ooh, not what I mean?

Make it Irish. What kind of, um, oh, yeah. Buddy, how you're good at that? That's really good. I think Irish people will agree that that was spot. My people? Yes. They'll agree.

For all that's interesting, Kalina Fraga writes, one of the few female pirates in history, Bonnie was known for her striking red hair and green eyes, her quick and violent temper. Gosh, that's a combination of the two of you. Yeah. Yeah. Red hair, green eyes.

Just as quick. I'm violent. And we're both in temper trap. Yeah. Sweet. That's the secret. disposition. What happened to those guys?

Just about to release the first album in like 10 years or something. Wow. So much of what we know about, Anne Bonny is from a very famous book, a general history of the pirates. Pirates spelled with a Y, a bit of fun. That was written by Captain Charles Johnson. Where's the Y?

I was thinking the same thing. I said the I. I like it. I love it. I was hoping it was going to be like Pirate, yes. Parachis. Yeah. The book was a smash it when it was published in 1724

and includes a bunch of stories and biographies of the pirates of the time, including probably the most well-known pirate Blackbeard, which just covered in a Dugo on mini episode, which was a filmed episode when we did a mini-series. You can find that on the Humdinger YouTube channel. That was a great series. I thought it was so good. It was really good.

I mean, it was an actor award nominated. Yes, that's true. And also... But we lost to some children vloggers. Where are they now? Still vlogging. Yeah, still killing it, probably. Still with a millions of subscribers.

Yeah, they're doing great. Yeah, the comment that really stuck out to me on that episode was a negative one, of course, because they're the ones you remember. But someone said, they were like a real pirate fan. And they said, oh, something like, as soon as Captain Jack Sparrow was mentioned, I turned it off. They're like, they're serious about pirates. It's not these fictional nonsense ones. I want to hear real pirate talk.

You are. Because we brought up, we said. So Blackbeer was obviously friends with Captain Jack Sparrow, who was real. That's what we said. That's what we said. Oh, you know what I found out recently? Bluebeard I always assumed as a pirate as well, but you know he's not a pirate? He's a Viking, is he?

Yeah, well, he was just like a, I think it was a Frenchman, but he was like a just a bad guy. I killed a lot of, oh. The Bluetooth guy. Yeah. Anyway. Lots of blue out there. D, Daboday. Now, the book, Pirates with the wire,

is considered the origin of the image we have of pirates. Eye patches, wooden legs, buried treasure, the Jolly Roger A-Ira. Jolly Roger, and if you don't know, the skull and crossbones, flag. Classic. Man, that is classic. It's cool. That's classic pirate. Maybe the coolest flag.

Should we get a flag? Yeah. Take one flag. I think so. Sell them at shows. That'd be pretty cool. Yeah. Fly this one.

Yeah. Yeah, fly this one. Fly my flag. Hey, run this up your pole, if you know what I mean. I'm being literal. Okay, I take it back. Take this half-mast. Okay, yep, no, he's definitely ruined it.

It's hogs at half-mast. Why is he so horny for flags? I don't know. I love semifor. You've got a semi for a semifor. So apparently this book about the general history of pirates by Johnson is where writers like Robert Lewis Stevenson and Jay and Barry got their inspiration for books, Dave, such as...

Treasure Island. And Peter Pan. Oh, my God, he is good. The man knows books. He knows them. He loves them. I bet he probably is... He's probably cut a hole out of one of them, if you know what I mean.

To store stuff in, because I've keep it. Yeah. Yeah. You are clever. You are clever. You're a clever little boy. You'll never find my mustache. Your mustache?

Yeah. I did think you said mustache. Yeah, I heard mustache. You never find mustache. Is that? You've still said you'll never find mustache. You're saying this is why it's taking your so long dress his beard? Is you hiding in a book?

Yeah. I think your beard's looking fantastic. Get your beard out of a book. So I'm always saying. to him. Never. So, yeah, so it's a very, a very popular and influential book. However, there is a lot of skepticism about how accurate the book is. Really? A book written situation.

And portraying pirates in their life on the high seas. I found an article from the James Ford Bell Library that talks about, talks how the book covers female pirates, specifically Anne Bonnie, the one we're talking about today. And another one that will come up later, Mary Reid. I don't have you heard of either of them? They're like two of the more famous. of Anne Bonnie.

Yep. They sort of connect. Does Mary Reid on our money? Is that the same name? On our money? Oh, that's Mary Reby. Sorry. On the $20 bill.

You think we have a pirate? No, I thought it's just the same name. In this nanny state, we're celebrating pirates on currency. So here's an excerpt from this James Ford Bell Library article. To be clear, Mary Reid and Ann Bonnie were real people, and they were down. Definitely pirates. We still have historical records for their legal trials, and we know for certain that they were convicted of piracy and served jail time. The rest of their stories, however, are preserved only in Charles Johnson's book, which may not be the most trustworthy historical source. So as we do sometimes on this, we'll probably put it to one side, and we're just going to tell the story. As it's told.

Yeah. Yep. So, like, there's just no way of knowing how true it is. Well, it doesn't matter. I'm still going to pick it to pieces. Yes. Everything you say, I'm going to fight with. Yeah, you're going to say, hang on. I don't think that really happened. I don't think that style of watch was actually invented at that point.

I don't think actually you'll find that model of Commodore didn't come out of too. Yeah, she's on chap laps, right? In her V.S. Yeah. A wagon. In 1985, hang on. Do you mean mums? Wagon.

Borrowed for the weekend. Mom and dad are away. So anyway, putting that on the table, but let's talk about Ant Bonn. Yeah, this is the Campfire version. Love this. So. Can we have marshmallows? Yeah.

Oh, my God. Did you bring any marshmallows? Yes. And I was not sure if that would be cool or not. So I'm so glad you brought it up. Here's one for you. One for you, and I'll have the bag. I'm just disappointed.

They were my marshmallows. Pink and white ones? Are they the bags you go for? Yeah. And their flavors, I think, are pink and white. They're the same. Oh, God, I love pink. Yeah.

I love white. I haven't had one for ages, but when you roast them and you can just sort of take that sort of skin off and it's good. And then go again. Yeah. Oh, so good. Go later by later. Like babushka marshmallows. Oh, yeah, that's good stuff.

Babushka marshmallow is a sick band name. Should we start it? We are Babushka marshmallow. You know what? Yes. I've been getting sick of the shit of the other two members of Tempertrap. Yes. Or three members, depending on how many there are.

I reckon we split. Yeah, let's go solo. But together. Babushka marshmallows. Yes. So what we do know, I just punched the microphone. And then I flew around, but don't worry. You kept your calm.

You were really cool. That's potentially get set of out. Well, I'll never know. It won't now. It landed on my keyboard and it took, scrolled back to the top of the report, which started so long ago. Lisa didn't start playing something on Spotify on your computer. That would have been embarrassing.

Okay, so let's talk about Anne Bonnie. What we do know is that Bonnie was born in County Cork in Ireland. We don't know when exactly, but it would be sometime in the late 17th century saw it written as possibly 1697 or 1698. And like I said earlier, she was the illegitimate daughter of lawyer, William Cormack and his housekeeper Mary Brennan. What I don't understand is like, how do illegitimate children come about? Oh.

Like, what's causing it? Yeah, like, how does that happen? How does a lawyer accidentally have a child with the housekeeper? I just don't, like, that's just crazy to me. It's careless. And it happens more than you'd think. Yeah. I just don't get it.

Yeah, what are they doing? What happens? Well, unfortunately, while Johnson did write about, it, we can't be sure of his account. Yeah. But it was pretty hot and heavy stuff. Oh. So despite her illegitimacy, it said that her dad presented her as a legitimate daughter.

He's like, no, no, she's real. She's not imaginary. She's a real daughter. His wife's like, what the fuck? I don't remember birth and that and then a gaslight zone. You're like, no. Of course you did. Yeah, you passed out.

Yeah, it was tough on you. You came to and now she's seven. That's one story. There's another that suggested. he dressed her as a boy and called her Andy telling people that she was training to be his clerk or clerk. Okay. The story goes that once William's wife found out about the affair and the illegitimate daughter,

she cut him off and you can't be like, no, no, babe, she's yours. Yeah. Although that would have been fun to see him try. Yeah. He's a lawyer. Maybe he is one of those big city lawyers that you've been hearing all about. I've heard about them. Yeah.

They are pretty convincing. Thumbs in. the suspenders? Oh. Well, no, I think they're not some of those big city lawyers. If I'm right, I might be wrong. So, yeah, his wife found out, and she cut him off. Where?

At the knees. No, I think more... That's hard to recover from. Just cut him out of her life. Okay. No contact. No. So he ran away to South Carolina.

He's a grown man. You ran away without legs. He ran away from home. Little rat knapsack on the back of a stick. She's mad at me, I'm running away. She fell the fuck up. You cheated on your wife and now you're like, I'm running away.

Shut up. I did say run away. It should have said sailed away. Men have always been pathetic and you always will beat a lot of you. No argument here. Especially if your hog's too big or too small. So yeah, ran off slash sailed off. Probably goes without saying, I don't think you can even to this day.

I don't think you can run from Ireland to America, can you? People have tried. You know my geography's not good. Okay. Well, great to disagree. I think that's how that phrase is used. So William supposedly attempted to practice law in Charleston, then known as Charlestown. What?

That's fun. It's evolved over the centuries. Did they drop a W at some point? They dropped a W. That's fun. I want to drop a W. Yeah. You're pointing at me?

Oh. I think listeners will assure me it. Yeah, you need to piss. or get rid of Dave or do a drug called W I don't drop a W drop a W you got to need W you guys

you guys want to party it sounds like I got some W like a kid show that was written by old people who had never been involved in that sort of saying that's how they're right

so I hear W's going around anyone got any W because I'm in arrested I'm definitely not a cop I'm not a cop The biggest narc energy I've ever seen. It's something I've got to tell you. Yeah.

Don't like cops. I hate cops. A-cab, am I right? Got any W? Got any W for me? I could want to split a W? Just have a U each? So,

AJ's got a little bit of work to do today. So he tries to practice law in Charleston, then known as Charles. down. But didn't do too well, but soon apparently he was making a good living somehow or another to the point where he was able to buy a plantation. Oh, okay. Yes, I think in the background of this is the slave trade, but I didn't come up a lot in the

pirate stories. Yeah, sure. So sadly, Mary Brennan died of typhoid fever in 1711. Fraga writes, following her mother's death, Bonnie's fierce and courageous temper began to emerge. At one point, she allegedly stab. a servant girl with a kitchen knife after an argument. She was also like probably 12 years old at the time, so it's a pretty hectic behaviour. That is a bit hectic, yeah.

And I know, like, I think with the violent temper before we were looking at me, but have either of you ever feared I was about to stab you? No. No, but I'm not your servant. I'd be worried if I want. Okay. That's interesting that that's not how you see yourself. Like, if I was giving you soup and it was like too hot or too cold,

I would fear for my life. Oh, yeah, that's fair. Like when we got food before delivered and the chips were cold, I had to make it into a little joke to soften it because otherwise you were going to try and gowd someone's eyes probably mine. With the chip. Yes. And they were soggy too.

So I would have had to work pretty hard to gou your eye out. You do, you say your classic phrase, I will not abide this foolish behavior before you get stab. Yeah. Before you get stab. Yeah, so there's a warning. Yeah. Sounds like she didn't warn.

I nearly never hear the end of that sentence. Because you're already... So I'm sailing away. Fragger also writes that Bonnie also beat a man who tried to rape her to the point that he was near death. I think that one feels better. That one feels better.

Yeah, that's better than bashing a servant. Yes. With a knife. Yeah, stabbing a servant with a knife over an argument versus beating a man who was... Self-defense and then just go on and... I want you to remember not to do that anymore. Yeah, yeah.

That one I support. In a general history of pirates, Johnson notes that her attacker, quote, lay ill of it a considerable time. Okay. In 1718, she married a poor sailor slash maybe pirate named James Bonnie. That's where she got her name. It's not a coincidence or incest or something.

That's good to clarify. Were you thinking incest? Oh, straight to incest. I went, she's got a different name to it, mum and dad, incestors involved. James and Anne. Classic, a bit vanilla, but pretty classic. What would their old holtons? Hollywood name be.

Jam. You put an M into it. I like that. James. Oh, so you've just rid of her completely. Okay. It's Jan. Are you happy?

No. I regretted the question. What an olden days? What would their Hollywood couple name be? What is this? Ten years ago? Fucking hell. I'm so sorry about that.

Thank you. So anyway, John... I don't forgive you. Okay. But you will forget. Yeah. Because that's just a memory thing. for you.

Yeah, I just don't know where I am. Johnson described James Bonney as a man, quote, who belonged to the sea and was not worth a groat. He's trying to fuck the sea. Oh my God, and he's not with a groat. What's a groat? So like, are you having an excellent? I had to look it up.

Thank you for doing that for us. My guess is it's a portmanteau of grabbing and scroat. My guess is it's like a... It's not worth a grab of a scrote. It's something not very valuable. Yeah, I think just... Well, that's my guess. But let's see if Dave is right.

Grabbing a scrote. He's not even worth grabbing his scrote. Yep. Which was a custom at the time. Yeah, of course. Like some people you were showing affection to. Yes. Good-day.

How you going? Oh, so nice to see you. Groat. That's how I greet you every week. I get a groat. If you're good. Yeah, exactly. If I've been bad, no groat.

And that's what I know. Gone too far. So, yeah, dictionary. com writes that it is any of various medieval European coins in particular. an English silver coin worth four old pence, which was issued between 1351 and 1662. So it's not worth nothing, but it's not worth much. Sure. Right.

He ain't worth a dime. That's a definition one, definition two. It's a portmanteau meaning grabbing a scroach. Ah, okay. So in a way, we were both right. Oh, yeah. Oh, is that what you said, Dave? Yeah.

Oh, there you go. Almost verbatim. Yeah, similar. Yeah, right. Similar. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I love when that happens when we're both right. Equally right.

Oh, that's nice. Shall we celebrate with a groat? Please. They had some examples of putting it in a sentences, which I really like. Not Dave's one, to be honest. Oh, no, maybe it is. Like instead of, I don't give a toss, they would say, I do not care a groat, which I think we should bring back. I agree.

Yeah. Unfortunately, none of us will remember this, but otherwise. No. So someone should submit that to who knew it. What is it groat? What is it groat? It's such a dull answer, though. Anne's dad disowned her following the marriage,

believing him not a worthy husband. I'm a lawyer. The lawyer had already fucked off overseas. Yeah, and daughter. No, he brought his daughter with him. Oh, sorry. She went to South Carolina. Yes.

Oh, my God. Haven't I told this story well? Yes. Okay, I did not know that she went with him. Yes. Oh, okay. Sorry about that. Okay, then I guess it's fine that he's

allowed to disown her then. Yeah, that's fine. He's just like splitting the party one after the other. And that started as a family of three. Yeah, so it's like. Oh no, he came, no, at four, because he had his mistress, who she sort of split off from the party by dying.

By dying. Yeah, he did mention she died. I think I'm doing really well. I think so too. But that was in South Carolina as well. That was in South Carolina. The family. I thought that she was back in,

Island. No, wait. So the mum also went to South Carolina. No, no. Okay, great. That was the mistress who died. Yes. Brennan.

Yes. And she died in Ireland. No, no. She died in Carolina. But she is Anne Bonnie's mum. Yes. So I said the mum went to America with them. Yes.

Right. So his wife kicked him out so he just took his second family to America. Yeah. And they stayed as a unit for a while. Yes. Okay, okay. Before mum slash mistress died and then the daughter married. Someone he didn't approve of.

Got it. So you've probably realised that I am doing the report that I haven't written. I think you're doing it really well and I think as a team we're telling the story super well. And to find the word groat as you go along, that's really good. Incredible stuff. I had a deep dive into the brain for that one. Yeah. Well, you were around back then.

I remembered it, but it was a lost memory. Yeah. So the three of them came. His mistress, Mary Brennan died. then they're sort of hanging out with pirate, well, the dad's owning a plantation, he's kind of cashed up again, and his daughter, she's a loose unit,

she's stabbed someone, she's fiery, she's like bashed a guy, and now she's married a guy that her dad found unworthy, because he was like a poor sailor slash maybe a pirate. Sure, but like your dad, you're the second family for your dad. Are we taking his opinion? Yeah, it's hard to take the moral high ground now. Yeah.

I agree. Are we really holding his opinion that high? Mm. You know what I mean? Yeah. I don't know. Where does Sailor, how does that compare to, you married your servant? Hmm.

Right? Or you ran off with your servant? I feel like they're comparable. They're both like good jobs. Just go with someone for love. Yeah. How about that? Which seems like you did.

Yeah, exactly. So let's just back it. But anyway, he's cut her off. So they're at the niece. Well, he would know more than anyone how difficult it is to get around after that. That's right. Yeah. That's right.

Respect of this family. That's exactly right. I mean, pirates and their wooden legs. Skipping ahead a bit. Two. Two, yeah. It's kind of fun. In the early 1700s, Charleston, Charlestown, which is in the Carolina town,

where they all came to. All of them. It had a big pirate problem. Legal pirates, known as privateers, had been useful to England during a long war with Spain and France, but they were out of a job when the war ended, and many decided to continue their careers as pirates, sailing under their own flags like we're going to do.

And this includes one of the most famous pirates, Blackbeard. So we're covering some similar territory to what we have in the past. An article in the Post and Courier, which is a daily newspaper in South Carolina, describes Charleston's local economy as being dependent on pirates like Blackbeard. Carolina planters were getting rich, growing and exporting rice, but they needed slaves to cultivate the fields, and the pirates were able to provide them. I didn't know the pirates were involved in that. Oh, wow.

Yeah. When new leadership was elected in Charleston, pirates were on the outs, though, with many being rounded up and publicly hanged as a warning to other pirates. No longer welcome in the area. Many of the pirates left for New Providence Island in the Bahamas, also known as the Republic of Pirates at the time. Now it's known as Nassau. Ah.

Which is also a nice name, but Republic of Pirates is sick. That's cool. Among those heading to New Providence Island were our Irish Pirate Anne and her new husband, the loser James. Oh, yeah. He sucks. Yeah, he does. All right.

The first record that connected Anne Bonnie with piracy is a 1720 article in the Boston Gazette where she is named as Anne Pulford, Elias, Bony, alias, alias, Bony. Should I say that again? Elias. That's perfect. Are you known under any of the Elias? Benny Elias. This is an old rugby player.

So her name is written along. with another well-known pirate of the time, one, Jack Rackham, okay, Calico Jack. Sorry, Jack Rackham, fuck off. That's so good, Jack Rackham. That's so good.

That's like an action star. Jack Rackham. Is. Calico Jack. Yes. But as soon as you mentioned, Jack Rackam, I knew I'd turn off this pirate podcast.

So, yeah, I'll talk about Calico Jack a bit more soon. But Woods, Rodger's. was the new governor of the Bahamas, and he was once a privateer himself. His first name is Woods? Yeah, W-O-O-D-E-S. I like it. So an ex-privateer, basically legal pirate, but he showed no sympathy for his pirate brothers as he went about ridding his jurisdiction.

Oh, so they're a family. Yeah. It's nice. A band of brothers, y'ar. You'd be a good pirate. How do you go on boats? I don't love it. Okay.

I'm a land lover, as me and my people would say. Yeah, right, but how do you go? It was like, I don't know, like pillaging, killing, stealing treasure. Yeah, yeah. Happy that. Drinking lots of beer. Okay. Copying DVDs.

Yeah, love it. What's your best selling part of a DVD? The clumps, too. Really? God, that was a hit. It's hard to get your hands on a hard copy. Yeah. Did you have that ready?

I went to Fast and Furious Tokyo Drift. Oh, that feels very pirate. Exactly, the clubs is way better. So yeah, he's, he's, woods. It is a good, I didn't even notice it, Woods Rogers. It could be an old Hollywood name too. Yeah, that's a great name. He just wants to get rid of the pirates and guess.

Guys, all I want to do is get rid of the pirates. And guess who was there to help him? and Bonnie's weak dog of a husband He became a grade A snitch And he was pointing his fingers at pirates Hither and thither And unsurprisingly, Anne, it was a badass pirate lover

Was not happy about this at all Her dad was right Can I just say that? Yes He wasn't worthy Don't say it Don't say it to her He was right

But I needed to find it out for myself That's right It's something she might have said I've got to make my own mistakes That's true Fragor writes, Anne quickly grew bored of married life. She and her new husband became disillusioned with each other. He thought that she would come with her father's money.

And Bonnie thought that he would be a rule breaker like her instead of a dirty snitch getting paid for fingering pirates. I do it for free. Exactly. It's good, honest work. Soon, Gallico Jack, caught her right. You're funny So Calico Jack caught her eye

And she is And according to the general history of pirates Pridden by Johnson She left the low dog James Bonnie and married Jack at sea This is Jack Rackham Okay, catacom She should be Anne Rackham

Oh my God Why the fuck? Does history still know her as Anne Bonnie? Yes Anne Rackham Annie Rackham Fackham Fuck right off

What a great pool shark name Yes. Annie? Rackham. So that's so sick. That's so good. Jack Rackham and Rackham. How's Rackham spell? As you'd guess, I think, R-A-C-K...

So just as we'd guess. I am. Their Hollywood name should be Jack and Rackam. Jack-M-R-M-R-M-R-M. That's good advice. Jack-M-M-R-M-R-M. What? What do you mean, but it just sounds like something of mob boss would say,

Jack and my rack them, boys. And then you have to go like, sorry. That sounded incredibly cool, but I just need to clarify. I got to wank them off. And then kill them? And then put them on a rack? Or are you saying that? Or like a torture rack?

Am I torturing them and then kill them? Is this like a classic fun line between pleasure and pain sort of thing? I just want to clarify what? Am I meant to be edging them? Jack and the rack are mean so that in the future you can say it and it can sound super cool and I know what you mean. But we need to establish. Like a common understanding.

First you explain it and then from now and I'll nod and it'll be sick next time. But this time, I'm so sorry, this time I'm not sure what to do. I'm pretty sure you've just asked me to wank off a lot of guys. And I didn't say I was into that in my interview. No. And you never brought it up. I never brought it up. So I just sort of feel like if we look back at my contract, this is outside of my scope.

Oh, you meant steal their cars. Oh, sorry. Fabulous. And then write them off. Gotcha. Can do. Can do. I'm so sorry about that.

Sorry. Sorry. I don't. Unless I know the size of the hog, I'm not committing to jacking and racetrack. Honestly, though, I wish I'd clarified this a couple of weeks ago. Yes. I've made some horrible mistakes. Yes.

I need to go, steal a few cars and apologize to a few people. I've got, I'm getting so many calluses. Yeah, that's not. What if, what if next time you say, car jack them and rack them? Please. Just that, hey, I thought you said there were no bad ideas. Not next time you say carjack and jackam. Best of both worlds.

Then I know. I just need the clear communication. Yeah, I can't read between the lines. So, this dirty dog, he was fingering pirates. She leaves him. She hooks up with Calico Jack, aka Jack Rackham. They get married at sea. Don't know if there was divorced first, but if the marriage was gone.

on International Waters Day, we know... Exactly. I mean, like, just, like, Barry the first marriage at sea. Yes. Marry the first second, the second marriage at sea. That makes sense.

Yeah, I think that makes sense. That makes perfect sense. Thank you. You could not have said that better. They can't get you for that, can they? Can't get full again? You can have a different spouse on every continent. Yeah.

And then as many as like on international waters. Correct. Yep. So Anne became part of Jack Rackham's crew, aka Calico Jack. and together they're a baby. Anyway, that doesn't come up again. Anne and Jack,

uh, oh, okay, let me read this because I think I confused myself and then I clarified, but why have I done that?

Did you clarify by cheating your chin into the microphone and knocking around? I did a manual zoom. I really hope that that was recorded on the video that of course you can see on patreon.com so what I wrote was

so Anne became part of Calico Jack's crew and together they had a baby. Anne and Jack, not Anne and the crew. But I felt that's so confused. What the fuck have I written here? Oh. That's delightful. So apparently it's very unusual for women to be allowed on board ships back then.

That's because we get periods. Oh, okay. What will happen? What will she do? Bleed everywhere? Oh, no. There was a rule. No boy or woman was to be allowed.

Britannica writes that women were considered bad luck aboard ships. But for some reason, Jack rackum, okay, Calico Jack, made an exception. Can't know why, but maybe it was love. I'm fantastic luck on ships if you want to see lots of fish. Frogger writes, most of the time she wore women's clothing aboard the ship. What? But dress like a man whenever. the ship went on the attack.

She wore trousers in a tunic, armed with a sword at her hip and a pistol in her hand. It seemed that at least one of the crewmen didn't like having a woman on board, though, as Fraga writes. One of the pirates made the mistake of voicing his opinions about Bonnie's presence on the ship. As the story goes, she challenged him to a hand-to-hand combat, stabbed him in the heart, and tossed his body overboard. Any other complaints? It's kind of a fine line between, like, what a badass.

And also she's like, what a psycho. Like, she's an absolute psycho. I was like, I think she's going to pin him down with his arm behind his back and he's going to say beg for mercy or something. Oh, let me go. Women are great. Women are great. But she's like, no, I'll have your heart.

Thanks, pal. You know, you think like she beats him fair and square and he shakes on it. And the rest of the crew's like, she's all right. Yeah, a bit of respect. But no, she's like, anyone else? She's like holding his head. Yeah. Everyone else got something to say.

We would normally have a burial ceremony. And she's like, too late for that. Who's next? She's like biting to the heart like an apple. Yeah. She's crazy. Jack's like, Jesus Christ, Anne. No, yeah, he's like, Jesus Christ, I'm so fucking horny right now.

You're so sexy. Apparently from then on she was welcomed into the crew, but I don't know. I don't think she was welcomed. Behind her back, people are going, fuck it out. Totally. She wasn't welcome. She was, hello, Anne. Nice to see you.

I was just leaving. I'm a pirate. I've done some messed up stuff now. But that was crazy. That's fuck. So, yeah, she, Calico Jack and the crew hit the high seas, and they were pillaging and pirating around Jamaica. At one point, they conquered another ship.

They were conquering a heaps of ships doing very well, making a big name for themselves, which obviously... When you conquer a ship, do you just sort of tie it to your toad? And all of a sudden, you're just like, you're like a water world, you know. Kevin Costner, they've made this sort of land mass. And that's actually how Australia was formed as a continent. That was... But Kevin Costner.

Yeah, yeah. We are Waterworld. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, actually, it's just a landmass of a lot of ships tied together. But so they conquered another ship. I assume they just pick the better one and sink the other. I don't know. Take all the good shit off it.

But I don't know why I'm assuming that. Maybe they do just have a long... train of ships. But then the first one stops and the others go, they all run into each other. So they don't have brakes. Ships don't have, boats don't have brakes. Yeah.

Anchors aren't immediate. Nah. That's why cars are better. Yeah. The ships of the land. Although I've never been hit by a ship. Have you been hit by a car? Why have you never brought this up?

Yeah. Why have you never been hit by a ship? Yeah. You've got to live. I know. So at one point they conquered a, another ship off the West Indies. Following the pirate code,

Jack invited the survivors of the defeated ship to join his crew. One of these survivors caught Anne Bonnie's eye. Oh, Anne. As Johnson wrote, she, quote, took a particular liking to this handsome young fellow. She's just horny, isn't she? Perhaps while flirting, Bonnie let the fellow,

that handsome young fellow know that while she was dressed as a man, she was actually a woman. She's like, don't worry about when I left. Oh, and he's like, damn, I thought this cute guy was floating with me. Oh, no. Okay. Well, as Johnson writes,

to the great disappointment of Anne Bonnie, the fellow let her know she was also a woman. I love the idea that it just turns out that everyone's a woman pretending of a man. I am also a woman. As am I. So it turned out this handsome young fellow was in fact the pirate Mary Reid. Oh. We mentioned earlier at the start of the episode.

On our $20 note. That's right. Fragger writes, I hope this is I'm pronouncing it right, F-R-A-G-A, but it's just fun to say Fraga. Fraga. Fragor writes, it's possible that Bonnie's disappointment did not last long because some accounts suggest that Ann Bonnie and Mary Reid became lovers on their voyage. In Reed, Bonnie had found an equal, not just in gender, but in courage and temperament, and in the bedroom perhaps. Johnson recounts in his book, How Reed was in a relationship with a more timid male member of the crew at one point. while they were sailing around, and her boyfriend was challenged to a jewel,

but to protect her delicate lover, Reid said, I'll step in, she fought and won the jewel instead. Which I like that. Thanks, babe. Thanks for stepping in again and cutting out that man's heart. I would have done it, of course, but I'm really glad you were here. Anyway, I've got a beef strong enough going if you're hungry. Anyone else? He's wearing a little aprons. Fantastic.

I enjoy that very much. Real, like, I'll be tribute, you know, like that humming jay. She's like, I got this one, Toots. Take a seat. That's a bit scary for you. I relate to that guy. But through all this, Mary Reid was still presenting as a man to have run, apart from Bonnie, who sort of compiled it in. And this led to her drawing, Iyer from Calico Jack, who was jealous of her close relationship with Anne Bonnie.

Oh, thinking it was a man. Man, yes. So to save Calico Jack. from attacking Reed, because he was like clearly getting pretty fired up about it. Bonnie left... He's like, that's my C-wife. Yeah. And when I see wife, I'd take wife.

Something like that. Something to that effect. Bonnie, so Bonnie is like, no, don't do anything. She's a woman as well. I mean, he's a woman. It's confusing, but yeah. Like me, pretend to be a man, but we're a woman. And according to Fragga, Jack joined the secret in more ways than one.

Some accounts suggest that Reed, Bonnie and Calais. Jack formed a Pirates menagerie. Wow. What's different between a menagerie and a pirate's menagerie? Well, in a menagerie, there's six legs, I guess. And in a pirate one, there's only three. I guess, I don't know. I've written this down yesterday, and I'm sure that you two will be able to make this better.

Okay, here we go. But I've written, Pirates on the seas, swash bucklers on their knees. You're saying like freeing the sheet Yeah Yeah yeah Like a sheets and streets and streets Yes Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes

It's not good No no that's what I was saying I thought that's a starting point So pirates on the sea Swashbucklers On their knees On their knees Yeah I mean I'll be honest

I didn't spend a lot of time on it Really Go on what's not a lot 45 minutes I think swashbucklers in the Conservatively I think sheet still works Okay

Pirates on the sea Because that can sort of be the street equivalent. Yeah. And then swash bucklers in the sheets. But doesn't you need the wrong? C and sheets is close. Okay.

So you're also not good at it. Anyway, I can't lie. What about something like, is there something you're like, Swash Bucklers on the seas? Swash fuckers. Oh, swash fucklers. I was going to say no, swash. Sucklers.

Swash buckles to my knees, you know, like as in like belt buckles down kind of thing. I think you let us to a better one. I think you're right. Shwash bucklers on the seas, shwash sucklers on their knees. I think we got it. Suckler, not sucker. What about swash sucklers? Yes, please.

Did I start this with the hog chat to start? Yeah, I think so. You really set the tone. You made Matt and I think it's okay. Yeah. Probably isn't. When I had a coffee in the breaking day, they had a macho. Oh, my God.

And I'm getting a little bit of a reflux. That's hepped up on much. Yeah, I'm hepped up on reflux. Well, I think that was worth bringing up. I think so, too, yeah. So anyway. I can't lie. So there's a potential threesome and is the boyfriend of Mary Reds still like to sort of

cucking in the corner? Oh, that's fine. Do you want any more strong and all? Yeah, he's in the cut chat for sure. And loving it. Oh, that's fun. It just happened to be invited. Just looking you're having fun, darling.

Does he think Mary Reid, because she is only out as a woman to Anne Bonnie? Oh, yes. Does the boyfriend know? Oh, that's a good point. Maybe not. Maybe he thinks his male lover has a very strange penis. Tiny hog. Like an iny.

Yeah. Wow Wow I was just coming to on a Jess's face like I said that It's been going Poor boy

I didn't like it But you're not asking AJ to edit out And that's the difference to you and me You'll stand by it Yeah I back myself And also she knows that No matter what she says He won't edit anything anyway

He says he will listen to you to It's just me that he's It's because you say it so often I'm the boy who cried AJ added it out. Correct, correct. Yeah, that's right. It's hard to tell.

If you do it 10 times an episode, he's not going to listen anymore. Yeah, you need a code word. Yeah, code word. Swash suckler. Yeah, say swash suckler if you actually want to turn it stuff out. Swash-suckling pig, something about a hog. Anyway, just things to think about. Just a theme.

Relative of a theme. Anyhow. Yes, do go on, go on. They're having a great time on the high. C's. By this point, it's 1720, and they're taking down ships left, right and center. They've just got their kid with them on the ship as well. Plumbering their valuables. Yeah, it's like, I think Johnson maybe mentioned it a bit more, but... It's not a lot of talk of them.

I imagine, probably, if though, unfortunately what happens, next means it didn't come to that, but I reckon it would have grown up to be a pirate. Do we know the Mini Rackham's name? No. So could we name them? Yes. What about that? And Jack Wackham. Like Barry Rackham. Barry Rackham.

Mac Rackham. Oh, that's pretty good. That's pretty good? That's fantastic. Mac Rackham? Shut up! Yeah, okay. That's a video game franchise that's selling billions.

A second video game franchise. Mac Rackham! Yeah. Oh my God. So they're having a lot of success, but they're starting to draw like other pirates of, fearing them, but the authorities are also becoming more and more aware of them. And they're not only taking down other pirate ships, they're also taking down legitimate

businesses who, some of them have been going back to complain about it if they survive. Snitches. So, yeah. Finally, on the 5th September 1720, Governor Woods Rogers had a proclamation published in the Boston Gazette, which called Calico Jack and his crew, including Reid and Bonnie by name, quote, pirates and enemies to the crown of Great Britain. Then Rogers sent out Captain Jonathan Barnett and English privateer to hunt them down, and the following month he caught up with them.

Fraga writes, this is the big battle. How do you reckon? I mean, you know the cruel bit. How do you reckon this goes down? I think the cuck boy dies instantly. He probably is brave at the last second, though, jumps in front of a bullet. No, I don't think so. That's the Hollywood version of it.

Lucky, like, the first one he catches with the crockery pot that he's cooking the casserole's worth. Oh, my casserole! Oh, jeez. Oh, I've spent ages on that. Oh, my plan! We went to the most exotic parts of the West Indies for those spices. Oh, my goodness. So Fraga writes, the crew was celebrating their string of good luck when Bonnie and Reed noticed a sloop

fast on the approach. They shouted a warning, but the crew was too drunk to ready themselves for battles. Oh, that's good. That's good. Some of them had passed out, and others sought refuge below deck. Perfect. The timid boy. When their crew was attacked, Anne Bonnie and Mary Reid fought back while most of their male comrades cowed in fear.

Reed supposedly cried, If there's a man among ye, you'll come up and fight like the men you are meant to be. Right. So everyone actually admitted, I'm also a woman. There's 50 women on board, so. But yeah, no one came out, so she just fired a shot towards them below deck and killed one of her own crew members. It was a warning shot. Didn't do enough to bring up.

Some of them were far too drunk to even pick up their weapons anyway. This led Bonnie to scream. You can't pick something up you're that drunk? Yeah. My God. My God, man. So apparently this is what Bonnie reportedly screamed And I'm sure they were jotting these things down

Sorry, what was that Bonnie? Sorry, I'm hard to hear of this cannon fire But that sounded like a really good line What was it? Just say it again slowly. What she said was, Dugs, if instead of these weaklings, I only had some women with me.

Unfortunately, though, the only crew she had with her were weak male dogs. And they were no match for Barnett and his crew of privateers. and the ship's crew was captured. Once captured, they were brought back to Spanish town in Jamaica, where they were tried and convicted of piracy, and their punishment, death.

Their trial is one of the few things that can be proven about Aunt Bonnie, as it's actually on record. Witnesses that took part in the trial seemed to confirm that Anne and Mary were both willing pirates from transcripts from the trial. A witness says that the women were, quote, very active on board and willing to do anything. and also did not seem to be kept or detained by force,

but of their own free will and content. Another witness, Dorothy Thomas, said that both women, quote, wore men's jackets, long trousers, and had handkerchiefs tired about their heads. Each carried pistols and machetes. They swore at the men, urging them to murder Thomas to prevent her from coming against them. She told the judges she knew

they were women by their womanly figures though. I've never seen a man with such beautiful hips. Yeah, with a buck that does not quit. If I was to describe her figure, I'd say, my yoy-ye. That's not the sound. Your Honor, if I was to describe this man's figure, I could only describe it as a r-h-ha.

That's probably what I meant. Ay-ya-ya. No, that's sneaking. Oh, okay. Dave, what noise would you use to describe a woman's body? Woo, woo, woo, woo. It's possible now to think about it. Maybe she was, she maybe hadn't had the baby yet.

Because, yeah, Mary and Anne avoided hanging by claiming that they were pregnant, which according to some accounts is actually true. just another example of pregnant women getting favorable treatment in the workplace. Yep, you're on the right side of history. Absolutely. What an incredibly, what a swing. Yeah. What a swing.

Astute. Was that what you're thinking? Yeah, it's a very astute. Someone finally said it. Yeah, finally. Pregnant women have had it too good for too long. You know what? In some countries, they're allowed time off work.

Yeah. And they're not often just, you know, there's no job for them when they get back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What, early retirement? Some places they get as much as a few weeks after giving birth. One of the most traumatic things that happens to a body. Yeah. Come on, ladies, back to work.

Humans have evolved in a way that makes birth. Like, we've got to be some of the worst animals to do it. Yeah. It does not make sense. We have evolved in a way to walk up right, which makes... birthing near impossible. Yep. Although we've found a way, I tell you that.

And I think that's a collective thing we all have. Yep, we all did that. All of us can take credit to that one. Yes, yes, yes, yes. It is incredible that it is, yeah, anyway. Sorry, I got a bit sincere there for a second. Yeah, I hated it. Let's go back to bashing on pregnant women.

So this is a bit of fun, maybe. So Calico, Jack and Ann Bonnie, before, you know, He went to the gallows. Yes. He requested that he see Anne before he died. And Fragor writes, Bonnie agreed to see her former lover and captain. But she brought him no words of warmth.

Meeting in his cell, she told him that, quote, she was sorry to see him there. But if he had fought like a man, he need not have been hanged like a dog. That's brutal. So former, like the thing that broke them was that he didn't fight in that final battle. Yeah. And I guess got them all captain.

and in prison. She should have fought to the death. But it's really unlucky that they just were all pissed as farts at the time. That's wild, yeah. Like absolutely brilliantly timed from the privateers. Yeah. Do you reckon they were just waiting off deck until the boat was sort of veering? Yeah.

And they said, now. Now's good, yeah. So, yes, sadly, of course, all good things must come to an end. And Mary Reid died not too long after just the five. following year. What happened to Bonnie is less clear. The US Department for the Interior Rights, quote, some say she was eventually hanged.

Others say that she was later released and returned to her father in Charlestown. Britannica, on the other hand, writes, quote, she returned to Charlestown where she married, had children and lived out the remainder of her life. What? Yeah, that's why a lot of people believe that she

just transitioned into like... Sorry, is this the Disney version of the story? Yeah, exactly. Wow. She just, yep. And then finally, And she never stabbed a man in the heart again. She learnt her lesson. Very maternal.

Yes. In 2020, a YouTuber, and this is where we get our info these days, named Tyler Bioshock Rodriguez, did some digging and possibly found the answer. According to the Post and Courier, he stumbled across a ledger of deaths for St. Catherine's Parish in Jamaica, the same place where Reid died. There in the second column was a name Anne Bonnie buried 29th of December, 1733. So this is like 13 years after capture.

Rodriguez said he felt absolute shock and joy when he saw her name in the ledger. The first real documentary evidence that suggests Bonnie lived an unremarkable life in Jamaica after her remarkable trial. But was this the same Bonnie? That's the question. Common sense suggests it is, Rodriguez said. This and Bonnie was buried in a Spanish town, the same place as the trial, the same place where Mary Reid was buried. Another clue was the spelling of her first name and without the E at the end. But like I say, you see both. You see both.

So I think the E is more common. So I don't know if, I don't know. But I trust Bioshock with my life. Of course. So they avoided being hanged because they said they were pregnant. But just for a bit for Mary. Was it like you've either had the baby or you've been here long enough that you would have had the baby.

You're not pregnant. Oh, interesting. Is that what I'm thinking? Or she just died maybe. No, no, she died separately. I think she died of illness. So they both went, we're pregnant. And so they just went, well, I can't get them then.

Yeah. Rather than like just delay the hanging of them. I'm not saying that's what I think should happen. It is kind of sounding like that is. I can't believe they got off. I can't believe. Yeah, it's very interesting. Just finally, of her legacy, Frugger writes.

Although accounts of Anne Bonnie's story were written around the time that it was happening, some historians note these accounts were later suppressed, probably so they wouldn't give other women wild ideas. Boney and Reid. Jess, any ideas from this episode? Yeah, this hasn't inspired me. Bonnie and Reid broke gender boundaries and stunned people at the time, noted Professor Kate Williams. They were trailblazers in an incredibly male-dominated society who forged their own way. Bonnie has been featured in films like Anne of Indies in 1951 and Through the Eyes of Men in 2013,

also being portrayed in video games like Assassin's Creed 4, black flag and on television it shows like black sails additionally she's made appearances in songs novels and manga is that manga or manga uh in november 2020 and bonnie's friendship with mary reed was immortalized in a statue of the two women standing together on should look this up burr island berg island uh in the united kingdom from there they can keep an eye on the waters where they found love glory and adventure centuries ago wow i'm not really i'm I mean, so some of her behaviour, we agree psychotic. Yes.

But she's remembered to history. Yeah. You know? And possibly very little of its true. Like those quotes are like, what, like this guy's written a few years later. Yeah. How's he, like this is at best, at worst, he's just made it up and he's filled in the blanks with some fiction. At best, it's like a game of telephone where stories have morphed over time and become torter.

But anyway. Yeah, some... Wild stuff. Yeah. Just throw out like the guy going, I don't think we should have a woman on board. And the next thing you know, he's dead and being thrown in a sea. Huge reaction.

Yeah. Oh, she's sexy. Isn't that a sexy sound? To me, yes. Depends what you ask, yeah. Yeah. That's a yes for me too. Yeah.

We're horny. You know, you two like creeping. about. We live to creep. We live to creep. We're creepers. We're creepies. Well, that brings us to everyone's

favorite section of the show. Would you believe it? I think most episodes we finish by one of you complimenting the report writer, not today. But we'll move on with the... I just, it would be rude for me to interrupt. I hate to interrupt you.

Matt, fantastic report there. What a fun story. That was one of the best. I liked the bit where a woman was murder. And that's why so many people, Dane, Josh, Arme, Jonathan, Daniels, Sigaborg, Austin, Mandy, Justin, Jamie and Dylan all suggested it. Yeah. Hopefully did it justice. That's what we always want to do here.

Great suggestion there, gang. And this brings us, and anyone can suggest a topic. I think sometimes people think you've got to be a patron. You don't. Anyone can suggest a topic. Go to our website. There's a form there you can fill in or it's in the show notes as well. But this last section of the show is all about us.

given some love to our patrons. If you want to be one, you can sign up at patreon.com slash 2G1Pod, also linked in the show notes. And you also, if you do that, as well as voting on topics, you also get to have the video feed of the studio episodes that we film,

which is the vast majority when we remember. I think we've only mucked up once. And also you get bonus episodes. We're pushing up towards 400, I think. Or are we over 400? No. 300. Over 300.

Over 300. Yeah, definitely over three. But if you listen to this in 2026, it might be 400 by then. Yeah, all sorts of other things. You get discounted tickets to our live shows. We're going to Canada. The patrons were the first to hear about that, and they got a discount and a pre-sale. Same with the 200th episode of Who Knew with Matt Stewart in Melbourne, June 27th?

I'm just looking at here. I accidentally booked her for 2026 this next year. And, yeah, heaps of stuff, including the Facebook group. We've been, during Comedy Festival, we had a bunch of meetups with the patrons. It's been really, really nice. So lovely. But this part of the show, we like to thank a few of our great patron supporters, depending on the level.

If you're on the Sydney-Shaunberg level, we get to be involved in the fact-quote or question section, which actually has a jingle go, something like this. Fact-quote or question! He always remembers the ding. She always remembers the sing. Now, the way this one works is you get to give us a fact quote or a question or a braggress suggestion or really whatever you like. And then I read them out, I should say I read them out without pre-checking him first. And I'm just going to read out the one today.

And it comes from Nick Fedorosa, who's given himself the title of pretty much sexy Glenn Powell. Okay. Okay, if only there was a sexy Glenn Powell. Yeah, I've been crying out for. And believe it or not, Nick is giving us a brag. That doesn't sound like him after that title. Okay. Now, Nick's brag is.

The Hidden Figures episode had quite a bit of it, quite a bit of It Man, Glenn Powell referenced in it. Got me thinking of a brag I could share. In the spirit of the game, seven degrees of Kevin Bacon, I'm but a single degree from our boy, close-eyed Glenn. So who's close?

His eyes are a bit too close. Jeez, if we're... Oh my God. I really don't want to start having people questioning the looks of Hollywood heart throbs. Because that makes people like, you know, not me, but some of our listeners may be feel uncomfortable. Like, am I enough? You? Certainly not me.

Fuck no. No. Yeah. My eyes are so far apart. Yeah. You wish you had Glenn Powers. You look like Sid the Sloth. Yeah.

I'm like a bird. I can see each side at the same. same time. So anyway, Nick says Glenn's early TV appearance was on season two of American Kids reality show called Endurance. Sound familiar. It is the same show that I was on per my previous fact quote or question. So you could go, you could either go Glenn, the host of the show, J.D. Roth, then me,

or Glenn, my cousin Michael, who was on the season with Glenn. then me to make the connection. Funny enough, both Glenn and I lost in the very first episodes of our respective seasons. Wow. So it just goes to show that we losers can make something of ourselves.

A beautiful message to finish there. Thank you so much, sexy Glenn Powell. Something I needed to hear. Yeah. Thank you so much, Nick Verde Rosa. The other thing we like to do, or one of the other things we like to do, is shout out some of our newer supporters

on the shoutout level or above. Now, Jess, you normally come up with a game from the topic of the day? What are you thinking today? What their disguise does. Oh, very good. Okay. So, for example, the disguise

and Bonnie is a man. Correct. But these people might be a different man. I'm not wasting any options. All right, so me and you're going to do all the disguises? Have you got a disguise generated there? All right, I'll do it.

I don't need a generator. I can do it. All right. Dave, a lot of mall people today. Do you want to do the names or the places? I'll do that. I don't know the names in a while. Okay.

I've been doing a few places. Well, I'll say, first up, no address. We're only assuming deep within the fortress of mole. And we should say if you are a mole person and you want to get your Christmas card, you've got to go in and update your address and possibly click a thing saying that you'll accept mail, maybe. Yeah, that's the way. And yeah, that's, that's, maybe you're going, I'll never get the Christmas card. Yeah, because we don't have a Christmas card.

Yeah, because we don't have. have your address. And that is true for this first person, Ross. Possibly in your email, possibly a Ross C. Then can you say disguised as a. Okay. And Ross C is disguised as a frog. Oh, yes, the frog. I'm a froggy frog. It's like the turtily turtle. Is he doing the voice too? That's good. Is that Ross? No, it's a very convincing.

I'm a turtily turtle. Fogs don't talk English. I'm a frogly frog. Oh, this is like a like a like a human size, but very, very. Accurate. I never said human size. Please move on with the next person. Next up from Cronulla in New South Wales. It's Mitch Smith and Mitch Smith is dressed out as disguised as a shark. Cronulla sharks.

Do do, do, do, do, do. Oh, I see what you've done. What kind of shark? Hammerhead. Was it the funniest one? That is the funniest one. Yeah, cool. And also similar eyes to me.

I'm wise. Yes, I think. Your eyes are perfectly normal. You're actually like a, just. a conventionally handsome, sexy man. Honestly, you put a Glenn powder shame. Yeah. Don't sit here and be like,

yeah, I'm such an every man. Shut up, you fucking Adonis. Fucking, uh. Yeah, put your abs away, man. I've never felt more uncomfortable. Stop making fun of me in a confusing way. How are making fun of you? Next up from Address Unknown.

Also guessing from deep within the fortress of the moles. It's Julie O. and Julie O is dressed as a... Clown! Oh! Yeah, scary clown? Fun clown. Yeah.

But bad. Left out of the job. Like bad at the job so you're walking past and you're not looking at them. That's why it's a fantastic disguise. Yeah, you're like, oh my God, I'm so sorry for them. They can't even juggle, Jesus. That's only three. It's actually very smart.

I can juggle three, kinder. Can I just say, Jess and Dave, you're doing so well. And the next person, I will say, is also a mole person. Really? Well, this small person's name is Lisa Turner, and Lisa Turner is disguised as a... Tina Turner impersonator. Oh, that's good.

You'd never forget who you are. And also, you know, it feels like you're hiding in plain sight. They're like, that can't be her. Obviously, she wouldn't disguise herself as someone with the same surname. That'd be insane. Very clever. Very clever. Well played Lisa Turner.

That's why I go everywhere as Kieran Perkins. Who just hold a cup of purer light stuff. Yeah. You still write your name on your milk? We genuinely drank that. milk for a long time growing up and I think it was because of the Perkins connection. And another mole person, Dave. This mole person is Harry.

And it was hard to say. Maybe HTC? Yeah, maybe HDC might be your initials because that's somewhat of your email. Harry is dressed or disguised as a. Voldemort. Oh, yeah. Harry Potter feels too obvious. Nosed off.

Nosed off. Nosed off. And again, nobody wants to look at that because the nose thing's gross. Yeah. It's a bit much. Off pudding. And he's even doing the Amarica.

Godemort. And they're like, all right. Matt, Voldemort, use your words. What are you saying? Annunciate. I think that's an important part of casting a spell. Did he?

Did you lose your teeth as well? Absolutely. So embarrassing. Probably. Having grown back, I don't know. I don't really interact with. With Voldemort. With that.

Yeah, I just don't even say the name. Like since his creator became crook, I'm like, I'm going to start calling. him the one I won't mention his name. That's sort of, that's been my bit of a protest.

Yeah, I love that. But every other character, like Neville Longbottom. Fine, fine. Neville Longbottom. Yeah. That can't be real. No, maybe she is good. Maybe she is good.

And Neville started as the ugliest and ended as the hottest. And he had to like wear a fake teeth to try and look and like, yeah. Have you thought about doing that so people can look you in the face and not feel intimidated? Dave. expect it from Jess, I don't expect it from you. I can't even compliment a friend now. You're being mean. From Sudbury in maybe Suffolk in Great Britain.

Oh, it's Grace Middleton. Kate Middleton. Really? Now, Jess, I'm going to have to ask the question. Where do you get your ideas? I just look around the road. Got my picture of Kate Middleton. I mean, next year, Tina's a picture.

Well, she's my, that's my screen saver. Yeah. So he just dressed as a princess in that maybe? Yeah, I'm not looking at a princess in the eye I don't know what the rules are That's true actually I don't know how to curtsy You're the ma'am

Oh is it ma'am? Is it ma'am? Is it your highness? Trying to think of the line Helena Bonham Carter says in the King's speech It's mom like harm Not ma'am like ham I'm trying to think of Helen and Bonham

Karnas line in Harry Potter She plays Crazy one Thank you so much, Grace Also I've been told From you I don't go to that media since Voldemort do what he did. From Yarra Junction, here in Victoria, it's Liz Gleason.

And Liz Gleason is disguised as sloth. Oh, really? I'm saying double. Two sloths, so I'm standing next to her at the time. Dude, one of these sloths is so good looking. Yeah, that sloth is hot. God, I'd fuck that sloth. Do it, would you do it?

Would you do it slow? No. Robba-ra-ra-ra-ra-ra-ra-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha? I don't know. What a weird energy today. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry.

If everyone's listening with their kids in the car, I'm really sorry. Don't listen with your kids. From, oh my goodness. Beaver Creek, Ohio, God's country itself. We might have to beep that name. It's S. L. S. L is dressed as, eh? Looks like the S.L maybe stands for, oh, you'll know.

If you're from Beaver Creek. Okay, yeah, okay. Come on. Come on. Geez, how many Sells are in Baby Creek? I want to go there. Okay, okay, okay. Folkhorn, leghorn.

Oh, really? I'm a, I'm not one of them big city chickens. That's exactly what I was thinking of the big city lawyer. That's great, though. Thank you so much. Does your best work. Beaver Creek, Ohio. Can we go there if we ever make it to America?

The United States. I think we can fly in and out of Beaver Creek. Fantastic. Surely. Beaver Creek International Airport. Finally from Ashfield in New South Wales. We are looking at the name of James Tarbotton. James Tarbotton.

That's very Neville Long Bottom coded. Okay. Well, great. Now I've got to think of another one. Stephen Hawking. Really? That's a brave disguise. Yeah, because he died.

Yeah, but not everyone knows that. Oh, true. Yeah. That's a really good point. I'd be on Google going, is he alive? Yeah. Geez, I thought I read something. Maybe you figured it out.

He might like if anyone's going to figure out how to come back, it'd be him. Yeah, that's true. Thanks so much to James, S.L. Liz, Grace, Harry, Lisa, Julia, Mitch and Ross. The next thing we need to do is welcome some people in the Triptage Club, which Dave explains so well. This is our clubhouse, a bit of a hall of fame. It's all theatre of mine stuff, but once you're in, you can never leave. And the people that get to come in,

people that have been supporting the show on the shout-out level or above for three consecutive years. We've already given them a shout-out, a nickname or something a few years back. But now to enshrine them forever, we read their names out one by one. They run on in. They enjoy the hospitality that we're providing. There's foot rubs. There's back rubs. There's shoulder massages.

There's a hairdresser in residence. You don't have to ask for any of those massages. I just do it. And she's very relaxing. And she'll talk your ear off. Like, God, you bring headphones. Bring headphones. I love to talk to strangers.

You're right. Jess, you always organize food or drink. Sometimes related to the topic. Yeah, I went pirate themed. Yeah. So absolutely no vitamin C. Okay. Anything that has vitamin C or really any kind of vitamin or nutrient, out.

Oh, you just like slap it out of their hand. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. So we got some gruel. I love it. It's got maggots in it. Oh. And beer.

Pretty warm. And the maggots. Wait, the maggots are like, you know. Not all of it has maggots. Okay. But are you talking like... Every now that a bowl has maggots. Little lolly maggots or?

Yeah. Okay. They're not allie maggots. I didn't think so. Like Alan's lolly maggots. Yes. Magots alive. Yeah.

Magots alive. Chewy little, uh, fun, flavoured. But they're not always. Don't eat the riggots. Don't eat the maggots. Don't eat the maggots. And a warm beer. Like English?

They didn't have fridges Kind of English style beer Sure Yeah Like a not warm But room temperature Or are you warming it up I'm warming it up

Okay well that seems crazy Well it works for like a mild wine Yeah It doesn't work for beer No Oh I can't innovate In my kitchen No I'm sorry

Of course you can Sorry I'm so sorry about that I'm sorry about that That was awful That's not I don't know if I've mentioned this But I am a feminist and I'm really sorry that...

Are you not looking at me because I said you were in Adonis? No, I'm just trying to see if there's anyone in the Triple Triptych Club. I forget that there's another bit of this. Do you want me to pad then because you're trying to do two things at once? Dave, you don't believe your book a band. You're never going to believe it, Jess. I have been in contact with this person's representatives for a long time. Who have you got?

I tried a few Twitter DMs, got nothing. I went to the manager. Got nothing. Okay. But then I reached out to a friend of a friend. Yes. Got this person's mobile number. I sent in her a text and she said, my God, I'm going to fire my manager.

Of course I want to come and headland with a little club. Fabulous. I'd love to do that. I'm so glad you got to get a podcast. And I said, thank you. I hope the manager was a pregnant woman. Oh, absolutely. Because she's had it too good for too long.

And that was- going to land that? It was a risque gambit. That was an absolute textbook landing. Oh, yeah. You've absolutely changed the game on that one. Yeah. They, when they're teaching people,

out of land in the simulator, that's what they show on, mate. Here's a video of Matt. Don't you worry about that, mate. That's the really good news. You landed that. You landed that an absolute beauty, mate. And the person that will be headlining in the club tonight, we've got English singer and songwriter, Anne Marie.

Oh. Is that the bum dance? No, that's Sarah Marie. I had the same thought process. Anne Marie, apparently a very big deal if her plays online or anything to go by. Okay. It's very exciting that she. Hits including.

Rockabai featuring Sean DePaul. Yep. Rewrite the Stars with James Arthur. Oh, yep. 2002 and the song Friends. All of these have multiple billions of streams. Yes, is. One of these songs?

Yes. I know rewrite the stars for sure. Okay, fantastic. So I'm really looking forward. Oh, that's from the greatest showman reimagined, it says. Yeah. So really looking forward to Anne-Marie. Really looking forward.

Really looking forward. Really big show. So, yeah, very excited for her word. Yeah, look at those, I'm looking at those streaming numbers and it's just, it's too many digits. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't, I can't comprehend that. You know it's a lot. Yeah.

There's no one in the Triple Triptitch Club this week. So this is the last thing we need today, do today. I'm welcoming to members to the Triptage Club this week. I'm on the door. I'm going to read out their names. If you hear your name, run on in. Dave's on stage. He's got 1,000 old people in front of them because once you're in, you can't leave and why would you want to?

You don't need to. Don't worry about it. And he's going to hop you up with a bit of weak word player based on your name or your place of residence. And Jess is going to hop up, Dave. Don't worry about him. So, are we ready? He's so attractive. He's never had to develop manners.

Yeah, or a personality. Or a personality or a sense of humour. Exactly. Well, you're that beautiful. I mean, I wish I wouldn't, I wouldn't not be funny. Fuck no. How does this go? No way.

If I could use my looks as currency, I'd never have a personality. All right, here we go. the hot personal alarm. Mine is a leaguer. So, two names. Let's have fun. Hang around for Anne-Marie afterwards. Let's have fun.

But in the meantime, welcome in from Starbridge, Stourbridge in Dudd, maybe Dudley in Great Britain. Welcome in Joe. There are anything but a dud. It's Joe. Go with the flow. And from King City. Can't want to see what Dave does with this one. Ontario, Canada. Maybe we'll see you soon. It's Adam with cats.

More like Adam with friends. Yes. And that's us. Boo, boo, boo, boo. You don't need your cats. You're the king, Adam. King of the city, Adam. Welcome, Adam and Joe. Make yourselves at home. Grab a warm beer and, uh, and donate the maggots. I'll enjoy Anne-Marie.

And, um, you know, maybe we'll have Sean DePaul zooming in. Sean DePaul. Now, that brings in the episode, anything we need to tell people before we go? We just need to tell people that we love them. We're really sorry about being a bit too horny on this episode and we're sorry that Matt didn't know how sexy he is. If you wanted to suggest a topic like we mentioned before, anybody can. There's a link in the show notes or you can go to our website,

which is do go onpod.com. Don't cry, Matt. Because obviously if people want to see you on the episode, they want to see your good looks, they get a Patreon. Yeah. Do go on pod. Give the people away, Matt.

Let's stop and look at the camera. You're just showing a hat. But say hello, so you. Hello, Rudy, Bertie. Oh my God. I can see the video. Jesus Christ. We should actually have an upper tier where you just get Matt's camera the whole time.

And you know what we could call it? That's not. You should be called the panty droppers. Can I just make a quick request? Can this not be an ongoing bit? You really do protest too much over there, my friend. I mean, I guess. But it's not a bit.

I'm going to go get some work done. Yeah. Yeah, can you say, can you make this worse? And they'll say that would be a crime, my friend. Yeah. Anyway, anybody can suggest the topic. There's a link in the show notes. Find us on social media at Doogon Pod or Doogon podcast on TikTok.

Dave, boot this baby home. Hey, we'll be back next week with another episode. That's the Durgaon guarantee. But until then, I'll say thank you so much for this thing. Bit of bloody fun. It's episode 549. I think it's already in the can. Would you believe it?

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