Do Go On - 564 - Tycho Brahe: Danish Astronomy Kook

Episode Date: August 12, 2026

Today we are talking about Tycho Brahe, a brilliant 16th century Danish astronomer - but also a bit of a kook. We are joined by Claire Hooper who is heading to Edinburgh this week, go see her show and say hi for us!This is a comedy/history podcast, the report begins at approximately 17:25 (though as always, we go off on tangents throughout the report).Check out Matt's new special 'Bad Boy': bit.ly/BadBoyComedyVote in this year's BLOCK: bit.ly/BLOCK2026For all our important links: https://linktr.ee/dogoonpod Check out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Who Knew It with Matt Stewart: https://play.acast.com/s/who-knew-it-with-matt-stewart/Jess Writes A Rom-Com: https://shows.acast.com/jess-writes-a-rom-comOur awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasDo Go On acknowledges the traditional owners of the land we record on, the Wurundjeri people, in the Kulin nation. We pay our respects to elders, past and present. REFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:https://allthatsinteresting.com/tycho-brahehttps://www.britannica.com/biography/Tycho-Brahe-Danish-astronomerhttps://www.space.com/19623-tycho-brahe-biography.htmlhttps://www.famousscientists.org/tycho-brahe/https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Tycho_Brahehttps://www.bbc.com/news/11756077https://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/30/science/30tierney.html?pagewanted=all&mtrref=en.wikipedia.orghttps://gizmodo.com/the-crazy-life-and-crazier-death-of-tycho-brahe-histor-5696469 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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As always, I'm here with Matt Stewart. Hello, Dave. It's so good to be here with you. It's so great to be here with you. And this week, we're joined by Claire Hooper. I know. I'm such an imposter. I hate it when I listen to one of my favorite pods,

and somebody's, like, replacing one of my favorite pod hosts. I hate myself for it. No, it's perfect. Well, because the thing is, we don't know where Jess is. She's fine. Oh, sorry. We know where she's right now. She's fine.

is fine. She's in a fine location wherever that is. Yes. And I don't think people need to worry about her. I certainly am not. I'll tell you what, if you do need to worry about her, by the time this pod goes out, it's too late to do anything. Yeah, that's true. But she's fine. She's fine. Such a delay. We don't want you meddling. You know what? I think she might be somewhere in the UK, which, funnily enough, Claire, you're about to be. Holy hell, you're going to give me a plug this early in the podcast. It's got to be.

Thank you. It's such an honor to have you on the show. on Who Knewett last week? You're a regular on Who Knewert, always an absolute star. As you are, you know, you're Australia's sort of quiz master, riddlemaster. That's right for those listening from overseas, I am. I'm Australia's sweetheart riddlemaster. You are, well, people will know, what's the pointless guy like, Dave? Richard Osman.

Richard Osman. Richard Osman has a House of Game show. Claire is our Richard Osman. In Australia, Claire Hooper's House of Games. Did you have any contact with Richard Osman? Yeah, I went and watched a recorder in Manchester before he's left as host of House and Games now after a decade in the big seat.

I think it's a decade that he was doing it. He's a gorgeous man who I, when I texted a friend after meeting him, I was like, he's like a nice, warm dad figure, but a dad who's actually quite busy at work. So it was just an absolute. a light and so welcoming, but also like, I really must actually record about 10 episodes of this show now. Because it does feel like he's doing too much. He writes, how many books has he written and then he hosts, is he still on Pointless? No, I think he stepped away from Pointless.

Well, he's still on the clips that I see on social media. Yeah, because he's a TV producer as well, because a lot of these projects that he's on, he's actually like, one of the masterminds. Apparently he sat in on the Pointless, like, pilot or whatever and the executive. are like, we need a Richard Osmond type for that role. And like, actually, Richard, would you be up for? He's like, apparently that's how it happened. Yeah, he's a very busy man. Yeah.

And it seems to be quite graceful and unflusted in his incredible busyness. Because do you listen to the rest of his entertainment? Can't believe we're plugging Richard Osmond so much. But that pot is amazing. The books are excellent. I see the clips of it. I'm the same bit about the pod. Yeah, but the clips are great.

I've read one of his books, but yeah. I like the clips. Anyway, we're not talking about him. We're talking about you. You're going to his home country of the UK. The point is. Now that we've contextualised me in terms of being Australia's Richard Osmond, I'm going to Edinburgh, but I signed up quite late.

I was just so thrilled. Since we recorded Who Knewit, Matt, I have sold two more tickets. Oh my God, here we go. So it's probably who knew it that didn't. It's a crowded marketplace for someone with Zero Profile, But I don't care because I'm so excited to go. I've got a bloody great show that I love doing. And I'm also just going to see,

I'm basically going to see stuff from 11 a.m. to 1 a.m. I think it's a great opportunity for people who are going to be in Edinburgh to see you. Like over here, you're doing bigger rooms that are packed out. Over there, people get to see a more intimate show. I'm jealous of them. It's like when Barnsey would do shows in Europe in the 90s. and there'd be like 30 people there. I'm like, imagine being in that room.

Must be mind-blowing. You're like the barzy of comedy. His voice is too big for 30 people. Thank you. It's going to be. Look, here, I'm just going to guarantee if anyone comes and there are two or less people in the room, I promise. I've got enough hands to hold all your hands.

So I'll hold everyone's hand while I do. I would prefer to be able to gesticulate those. So I'm hoping to get more than two people every night. I tell you what, yeah, and you definitely will. But the, there's so much. of the Aussies over there, for starters. You'll have good crowds, I'm sure. But when I was there, the only time I really spent any time there was back in 2014,

part of the winning Roar, you got sent over there. Oh my gosh, you got flown over. You get the dream, though, to get flown to Edinburgh? Yeah, or get transferred some money to buy flights. Well, you've got a fake check, though, right? You got a big fake that said from relative obscurity to Edinburgh. Brian. He didn't.

Is that what they said? I think it's still in the studio somewhere. But anyway, I was just saying lots of shows. And, you know, you see a lot of good shows that are under attended and some of them don't handle it very well because they knew a comics. And I remember seeing one of Irish guy. It was clearly very good, but he had a breakdown. I'm like, was so depressed.

It was raining outside. How many people did he have a breakdown over? Well, it was, it started. There was, I think, 12. in there and they, but they were leaving throughout the show. Is that because of the breakdown or did that cause the breakdown? I think it was chicken and the egg a bit because he was clearly not dealing with a well and then the more people left the more he was fraying at the ends.

Anyway, after that, I'm like, I need. Fun show ex ex at Assembly Roxy, 20th to 30th of all. No, the point is, the point is, I'm like, I need to see, I'm like, I need to see a sure thing. And I went and saw Justin Hamilton just after that, who is maybe a similar vintage, maybe being going a bit longer than you, but he... He'd get a little longer than me, but yeah, comparable. And he was in a, you know, a smaller room than he'd do in Australia. And it was just, it was the best because he's a pro and he can, he's, you know, like, we'll all come up.

Everyone who's been doing it for 10, 20 plus years have done a lot of gigs to small crowds. Yeah. and very comfortable. Oh, and just, yeah. I bet. Like, more comfortable than I'd like to be. How would have just, he would have just settled me. And it was the best.

It was so good. It was exactly what I needed. It was like a warm hug of a comedy show. And I was, it really brought me back off the edge. I was so sad. So that Irish guy's breakdown, course, you didn't nearly have a breakdown. Yeah, yeah.

It really was contagious. I think that's why people had to leave the room. Everyone's having a little breakdowns. But I, I, I'm maddened. I can't leave a comedy room, even though I should have just jumped up with one of the other groups who left, you know, joined him with them, but I'm like, I can't leave. You know, you can always just, like, you can always just be like,

sorry, like you pick up your own jacket and it'll be like, sorry, sorry, excuse me, is this your jacket and follow them outside. Oh, that's what you did. That's a hot tip for leaving a room. But anyway, we are, this is the most negative plug I think I've ever been involved in. Age, I added around it to make it feel better. Don't edit a thing, please. But Claire, what is the show about?

generally because it was so well reviewed. Michelle Brazier called it your best show ever. Is that right? Did she? I think she said that on who knew it last week. Yeah, it's an absolute ripper and it's about how I just sort of identify as the least fun person that I know, the least fun person in my family and the least fun person in my friendship circle. I feel like everyone I know is better at being spontaneous and adventurous and I feel like I have I've painted myself into a corner where I will facilitate fun. Like, I'll hold your jacket and I'll take the photos, but I don't participate. And I've kind of had a year of trying to force myself to participate more.

But also, I mean, the show is also a little bit about, like, my dad, who used to be a really fun person. And I still think he is essentially, but he's been going through it health-wise. So it's a real taking stock about how if you're not careful, you run out of opportunities to have fun, you know? True. So the sooner you make a change if you want to be having more joy in your life. If you're sitting in a room watching a comedian have a breakdown,

you're not enjoying it. Life is short. Get up and go to different. Get out there, have your own breakdown. Do you know what? Here's what you bloody do. You walk up onto the stage.

You hold that guy's head and you say, I'm here. I'm here for you, but actually do you want to leave with me. Yeah. We don't have to do this. We don't, none of us have to do this. Let me go buy your drink. Time is fleeting. Imagine doing a show

and someone walked up and said, you don't have to do this. You just die, wouldn't you? That's so funny. No, but I dare someone listening to do that. You love to do that. Come along in Edinburgh. I'm trying to think about, like,

you're not only Australia's Richard Osmond. You were co-hosts of Great Australian Bakeoffs. That makes you Australia's Noel Fielding. Is that right? Yeah, Australia's, I don't know, when I got it, it was still melon. So when I got the bake-off the first time round. Do you reckon you were the Mel or the Sue?

I guess Mel was the Mel. I think no, I actually think Mel was the Sue. Oh, okay. I was the Mel. Right. I think so. We didn't fit perfectly those roles. But.

You made it your own. But I'll tell you what, how convenient that there was a Blockbuster show hosted by two women, because otherwise I don't think anyone would have been looking for that. Right. I mean, it is, you know, like, It's still fairly... So you think Mel and Sam... Mel and Sue?

Mel and Sue? You think Mel and Sue? You changed her gender. Classic TV producer over here. Yeah, I just want to be a TV exec. They were... We take Sue, make her a Sam. Yeah.

What do we think? I think they were groundbreaking. They were a beloved duo in the UK. They got this show. This show was an immense success. And I think it gave Australian producers the confidence. to duplicate the format. And that benefit of me, because I just don't think, yeah,

there's more often than not, people are looking for a male host for shows. Does Australian TV ever get more confident than duplicating another show? It's like, let's do it. Yeah, mate. We're going to do it. We're going to duplicate another format that's been tested and proven. We do.

That's pretty adventurous. We do do some of our, thank God you hear, was an Aussie format. That's true. And also to give a little like salute to ABC and Endemol Shine, they didn't duplicate Richard Osmond. They let me have the job hosting. And how many seasons did we get? One, not important.

So far. So far. So far. Yeah, sign the petition. All right, should we start the show? Yes, please. Wait, one more time. Okay, just cut here.

Start here. Yes. No, what? I forgot. Was it assembly? Yeah, Assembly Roxy, which is, um, great little venue over near Pleasance. Part of, you know, an assembly offshoot.

I'm thinking about shuffling things around and coming over for the week. You should come over. Do you need an opener? If you come, I'll let you. You can only have two minutes. It's quite a long show. You know what? I won't open.

I'll usher. Phil from the front, please. Oh, no, I stopped already. One line. You're in the front row. The front row. Oh, no. What's you going to?

One job. Phil from the fund Oh no he's having to break down again He needs hammered to save the day again All right Dave For Claire and any new listers Do you want to explain how the show works Oh yeah Claire I've got no idea of you know what we do

We take it in terms to report on a topic Which is something from history often suggested By one of the listeners And it's Matt's turn this week He's gone away He's done a bit of research Watch the docker I assume Matt is notorious for downloading

3 or 4 audiobooks and spending 50 hours listening. I try to keep this one a little tired of. So it goes away, does a bit of a research, writes up a report. We usually say it's about a year 9, year 10 level. So nothing too intimidating. Okay.

And Matt, it's going to tell us about the topic now. We don't know what it's going to be. We always start with a question to get onto the topic. I'm dying to know. I'm really excited to know what I'm going to be learning about. Well, I'd never heard of this topic before. So I assume that you two might be similar.

So instead of asking directly about, them, I'm going to ask another question. If I was at a bakery and wanted a light, rich, flaky pastry, especially a puff paste, leavened with yeast and filled with cheese, nuts, raisins, custard or fruit, what would I order? Is this because I did the Great Australian Bake-off? Is this because Claire does riddles on Instagram? It's not a riddle. Does riddle ask?

It's got a riddley cadence. If I wanted. What? No, I'm just, this is just what is what, what are I described? What bakery product have I just described? Well, you said puff, but you also said leavened with yeast. I just took this straight off dictionary.com. I don't have no idea what any of it means.

And there was cheese, but also... Yeah, there's sweet and savoury versions of this. It's also... A lot of people call this a Danish. Correct. Well done. It is a Danish. Today we're talking about brilliant Danish astronomer.

Great. Tico Brahe. What's the name? Tico Brahe. But there are, I mean, that's according to our man. We love this guy who, he goes, today, he's got a YouTube channel. He just pronounces words. What's his name, Miguel?

Julian. Julian. Oh, my God. That's so far off. Oh, my God. But Matt does an all-time impression of this guy. But he goes, today we're going to learn how to pronounce the name of brilliant. Do you know that guy?

Yeah, I know that. And there must be some sort. To get a YouTube out in there, I assume he has to hit a minute or something. So there's always about a 30. second run up to what this word is a Colombian-based word and it is a lovely word. And here is the word pronounced. The word is and then finally gets to the word and often there are YouTube comments from native speakers saying, that's not right. You're all right. Because I saw maybe three main ways to pronounce this name, but there were more. Also, Tycho Brahe and T-C-C-O-B-R-

but it's spelled T-Y-C-H-O-B-R-A-H-E. So it looks like Taito-O-B-R-H-E. But anyway, I'm going with Julian's pronunciation of T-C-O-Bra-H. Any of the options you gave are probably the best name I've ever heard. Yeah, I know. Like it looks amazing. Anyway, it's been suggested by a few people, including James Edwards from London, UK. Andriana Januldi from Alexandria VA, Virginia maybe.

Dave Morasekki from Windermere, Florida. Marita Lindenbach from Victoria, BC and Canada. Dave, we're going to Canada. That's right next month. Yes, you're going to Canada. Going to Canada. Which is also where Nick Deck is from from Calgary, which is one of the towns we're going to who also suggests the topic.

Oh, Calgary. And finally, Vinnie Policastro, from Tuckerton in New Jersey. So there's a lot of, even though it's a Danish topic, a lot of Americans have suggested it interestingly. Wow, there you go. I've never heard of this guy in my life. No, have you heard of him, Claire?

I've not heard of this guy in my life. I'd never heard of him either until this week, to be honest. I asked the Sydney-Shaunberg patrons to suggest and James Edwards gave a brief rundown of him, put it up for the vote, and this one nearly 40% of the vote. So people, this was the runaway. winner. Exciting.

That's a good sign. I can't wait to discover whether everyone's excited about him because of his astronomy, astronomy or because of something way out of character. I reckon it's a bit of both, but to be honest, I think it's the kookiness of this guy. Did he find a penis constellation? He's the penis guy. He's the guy that's like, look, it's the. It's the big, it's the big donger.

It's a big donger. Thank you for that. That was beautiful, Ed Libby. That's really sweet of you to say that, and that means, I thank you so much. All right, so let's hear about this guy. And I'm going to have to, I've written up the top of the page in fanatical spelling, Tico Brahe. I'm sure I'm going to say it multiple different ways. Anyway, Tico, Odison Brahe was born on the 14th of December 1546 in Nudstreet.

Scania in Denmark, now Sweden, southern Sweden. Three years after another giant of astronomy, Nicholas Copernicus died. For famous scientist.org, Doug Stewart writes, and by the way, Doug Stewart calls himself the doc. So when I'm quoting from Doug Stewart from now, and I'm just going to say, the doc writes. Right. Is he a doctor at all? I don't think so. That is awesome. Maybe.

Might be a doctor of science. Maybe it just eats a lot of carrots. Oh, what's up? So the doc writes, Tico's father was Otty Brahe, a member of the royal court. His mother was Beattie, Billy, also an important aristocrat. And Tico was the second of the couple's 12 children, the eldest died. So he ended up being the heir to the family's fortunes. God, I mean, when you're the heir to the family's fortunes,

you do have enough time to like indulge in a, like how many astronomy professionals come from working class families. They're just doing it on the side. It's a bit of a novelty career. Like it's in great stuff. But you've got to really be secure that there is a house waiting for you.

Yeah, something's coming down. That's now. Imagine the 1500s, you know. The doc continues, although we usually refer to scientists by their surnames, in some cases we use their first names, like Galileo, for example. And this is also the case with Tico Brahe,

who is usually referred to simply as Tico. So I'm just going to call him Tico. His life got off to a strange start, fair to say, when he was kidnapped by his uncle. Wow. Okay, that's unexpected. For Britannica, Olin Juech Egan writes, Tico's wealthy and childless uncle

abducted him at a very early age, and after the initial parental shock was overcome, he was raised at his uncle's castle in Tostrop, Skania. Oh, after the initial shock. Does it say how old he was when he was kidnapped? I believe he was under two. Like as an infant. Yeah, as an infant.

Right. His uncle was even more rich and powerful. Because it makes sense if you see your brother or sister has 11 children. You go, oh, can I have one of those? He's the top of them. Yeah. Take one of the spin. Wait until they've got a bit of a collection.

It can't take the main one. Oh, true. Yeah, the others weren't around yet. Others weren't around. I didn't even think of that. Is that why they kept having children, though? But it does speak to why they might have ended up going on and having. Yeah.

In case other siblings start stealing their children. That's, uh, I had not considered that. And also, you know, wait and see what they're like. You get 12, you can pick the best other one. Oh, that's right. Yeah, the one you've got to rapport with it. What are the odds that the first one's the best one? Yeah.

Yes. Yes, the pancake isn't. Well, actually, that's a bit sad because didn't the first child die. So actually, yeah, good call. Maybe, yeah, it's possible that the first child was still around when they nicked. I think that might make sense. You've got the other one. But also, you're right.

Like, don't get them while they're an infant. It's like people that buy puppies. I get that puppies are cute. They're a handful. You've got to get a dog from like the shelter that's got like three, four years on it and they can tell you what the temperaments like. Way smarter. Yeah.

You don't have to suckle them or whatever. I wish I got my children at three, four years old. Yeah. Yeah, because those early years, not worth it. Do you think you would have still picked the same ones? Okay, not going to answer that. But anyway, I love, I just love how Egg and in Britannica writes that after the initial parental shock was overcome. To me, it's so funny.

And then he just stayed with the uncle. Yeah. Well, of the incident, the doc writes, in his second year of life, so I guess there's one, he was kidnapped by his uncle Jorgon and Aunt Inga when his parents were away from home. I'm like, what? Oh, no, they're rich. He was probably got maids and nannies and such. Tico's uncle and aunt were childless, and they believed that Jorgon was entitled to a lawful son and heir to his estates. Tico's natural parents eventually agreed to this. So Tico was raised by his uncle and art as if he was their own son. Traditionally, the male children of the Brahe clan would become warriors.

They were a military-type family. You know, they keep forgetting. It's 1,500. This is olden days, you know. Yeah, there's quite a while ago. They're living in castles and stuff, you know. He's like knights and whatever. I don't know what the Danish version, Viking warriors.

That's not quite, is that, that's our other day, doesn't it? His castle would have been about, because wasn't Hamlet meant to be a Dane? Oh my God, yes. You know, we're talking about, we're talking about the life of Hamlet. Yes. Oh, no, no, an inspiration. Well, yeah, there is, there's a theory unproven that there, part of this story is. With a weird uncle too.

Hang on, sorry, you're saying part of this story. Some people. Have I jumped ahead? You've jumped way in here. Oh my God, all right. So like the final line. And he was Hamlet. We all stand up and applaud.

Yeah, so they would normally become warriors, but according to the doc, Tico's mother slash aunt, Inga, had come from an academic family and she persuaded her husband that Tico should receive an academic education. This sort of set him on the path towards the stars. He went on to study. law at the University of Copenhagen in 1559 at the age of 12.

Which I think it's so funny to think of a 12-year-old lawyer, you know. Objection! I know you're guilty, but what am I? You're on a right call for a recess, I want to play four square? Bit of fun! But yeah, he switched his focus from law to astronomy when a total eclipse of the sun was predicted for the 21st of August in 1560, and then it eventuated. He was like, hold what?

How do they predict? How can they predict this? Blew his tiny mind. And he wanted to learn how science could predict such things, and he wanted to be able to do it himself. While he was just impressed by the science, many other Europeans were freaked out. Oh, okay.

What does it mean? This is a bad sign. For all that's interesting, Geno Demuro writes, At the time, the science of astronomy was still somewhere between the realms of science and superstition. When the sun did in fact disappear behind the moon on the appointed day and plunged the world into darkness, people were astounded. For some people, the announcement of the eclipse was a signal to panic, and in France, people flocked by the dozens to make their confessions to priests. For Ticobrahi, however, the momentous event marked a changing point in his life that he would never forget. Yeah, so he was absolutely changed by it.

He did continue to study law by day, like his uncle father and his auntie mother. Well, astronomy is easier at night, so that makes sense. That's true. I mean, law by day, but at night, he belonged to the stars. That's beautiful. I'm not surprised people like panicked and, like, ran into the streets. You know, like, because the world was, like, even if you're, even if it's explained to you, it's still freaky. Yeah, it's weird.

What are you think? And it's not like they had like, it's not that they could pop out something on the socials or play it on the nightly news. There'd be plenty of people who weren't getting the message. Don't worry, we predicted this. Yeah, yeah. So people would have, because remember, remember Y2K, the world wasn't even plunged into darkness and people were behaving erratically.

Yes, we lost it. We lost it. Some people did lose it. Yeah. My friend's dad made the family live in a hole in the backyard for a few days. A hole? Yeah, he'd been digging a hole for ages. They had to go in it.

I don't know why that was going to protect them. The machines can't get us in here. Yeah, it's true. I'm picturing just an open top hole. Yeah, pretty much, pretty much. Like a pool but without the water. We put a bit of corrugate iron over the top. What's the password?

But he had really, so, but you know, for a few days, she said, but the weird thing was he would let them go inside to use the toilet when they needed to use it. And eventually, like, they kind of all just went, oh, I guess everything's fine. Maybe I'll stay in there. Oh, I've got to do a really long pissed dad. I might be gone overnight. That's so funny.

I need to ask her more questions about that. And then I'll come on, do go on, and I'll present the story of Y2K for you. Y2K in the hole. We did actually an episode on Y2K way back in the day, but this would be a brilliant follow-off. We did a part two. I don't remember talking about anyone hiding in a hole. Yeah, isn't it wild? He'd have to go back to work after a few days.

They say, oh, Tim, where have you been? I've just been a hole in the back yard. Just been in the hall. I don't like, oh, mental health break. You can't be too sure. So, yeah, he's all in on the stars, but he is still starting by day. He's also a bit of a party animal, by the way, a bit of a boozer. But as well as simply...

God, he's burning the candle and all of them. And all of the is. Yeah, like where's he sleeping? Sorry, Law and the Stars at Night and Boozer? Yeah. I think he might be bringing a few of those together. Crack open a few beers. Look at the Stars.

That sounds like a fantastic evening. Anyone and enjoy the stars. Yeah, go on. Have a look at them up there. There's the Big Donger. It's beautiful. Look at it glistening. So, yeah, as well as just looking up at the stars,

he also read all the available astronomical books that he could get his hands on. De Miro writes, the science had changed little since the days of the Greeks. And Ptolemy's, I should say, I had to look up at it. It's P-T-O-M-L-I-Y. That's Ptolemy. Tolemy.

Well, I found it pronounced Ptolemy, and I've copied and pasted that. Oh, and I agree. I think it looks like Ptolemy. That's like Cleopatra's family. Ptolemy. Ttolemy. Yeah, the Ptolemaic dynasty. There you go.

I'm talking about her, like, great, great, great grandfather was like one of Alexander the Great's generals and then he formed his own kingdom. They were all split up after that. There you go. Well, anyway. Oh, my gosh. What a brain. Yeah.

Nerd alert. Ptolemy had written a book called Almagest, and that was written around 150 AD, and that's still served as the base reference for most of the world's astronomers in the 1500. So it hadn't been a lot of gains made. That is a long time to still read the same book. Apparently a lot of the similar tools were used, you know. I would love to write a book that had last that long. It'll be like us still quoting, like in science, something from the year 500 now.

Yeah. Yeah. Do we? Do we? Has anything endured? Something must have endured. Something must have endured. Something must have.

Well, it was soon after this, though, I think the next. century though, I were pretty sure that the sun was the center of the solar system. I guess we still believe that. Okay. Yeah. We still believe that for now. But not at this point, that was still disputed. Like I was saying that fellow who died just before him.

Oh, that's Copernicus thing, isn't it? Yeah, I think others had said it, been saying it for centuries. He said it louder. Maybe a millennium. But he was sort of like, yeah, he said it louder. Yeah, he was yelling at it. But, yeah, T-Col. wasn't necessarily convinced, which I'll talk about later.

Anyway, so he's written all the books, some of them very old, and his college teachers also helped where they could as well, helping him construct small globes, which he could plot star positions onto. Like the textbooks, yeah, the equipment he had at his disposal was very primitive. So obviously we're going a long way back here. For context, this is pre-t telescopes. they were not invented until early the following century.

So everything he achieves is with the naked eye. And some of it still seen as quite accurate. Like, very impressive in a lot of ways doing it. He was like the last of the great astronomers pre-t telescopes. Last of the great squinters. I'm going to go. You want to have pretty good eyesight, wouldn't you? Maybe he was just very tall.

He was that a little bit closer than everyone was. The Richard Osmond of his day. Richard, what can you see? I can see a star there. Oh, tell us more. Richard Osmond, notoriously bad eyesight. Oh, no. Yeah, that's true.

But, you know, you don't need it when you're that tall. You can't have it all. Can't have it all. In 1562, he was sent by his father-uncle to study at the University of Leipzig. He wanted his son, such a nephew, to become a legal advisor of the... the Royal Court, a respectable role for a noble type, as opposed to an astronomer, which is the same as running away and joining the circus. They employed an academic to keep Tico on the straight and arrow, his uncle and auntie,

slash mother and father, had someone at the uni, it was like a 20-year-old academic who was like, you've got to keep studying. Like when you got a primary school year in prep and they give you a buddy and great six. Yeah, like that. I think it's, yeah, the party system. Whoa, whoa, whoa, well, concentrate, concentrate. And they're all, yeah, apparently the parents were paying him to basically go.

Make sure he doesn't get any, doesn't go off track too far. But he was just too rebellious and continue to sneak out at night and observe the stars. Oh, my goodness. You know what the kids are like. It got so bad he was buying paraphernalia to aid his nasty habit. The doc right. So it's in April of 1567, age 17, Tico bought a cross staff to make his observations. It's like an old school.

It looks like a little crucifix. But, yeah, old school stuff. The cross staff was so large that his supervisor must have been aware Tico was devoting time to astronomy. But Tico did not care. There was no need for secrecy anymore. He had decided that astronomy would be his life's work. Do you think there's anything in your life that you'd care about enough to speak? sneak out at night to do it.

I don't think so. Yeah, like if your mom and dad said no more podcasting, Matt Stewart, you'd be like, oh, well, if I can't do it during the day. Yeah, yeah, I'm like, great, all right. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not enough of a mega fan of anything to just really. I'd say it's different times, maybe a hamburger, eating a hamburger. But try not to do that now.

You know what? And because your mum and dad didn't prohibit hamburgers, it's meant you haven't had to devote your life to hamburgers. That's true. You could just have them in a, you could have a healthy relationship with them. Tell you what, a hamburger's parents, different story. They were hard-lined. No buns, no patties in our house.

He just start stealing other people's burgers. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. It's why, you know, Prohibition doesn't work. That's right. There you go. So anyway, at the University of Leipzig, that was where he made his first recorded astrological observation.

Astrological, astronomical. Man, I stuffed those two words up. The real one. The real one. Yes, definitely. I've already done that once this chat. Yes. Listeners, no, we're not, for the most part, we're talking about the people who look at

the stars, not the people who tell you your favourite colour. Lucky colors and stuff. Which is my main memories of astrology growing up was at the Melbourne Cup. They'd have an astrologer on the TV podcast doing lucky colors for today for different, which doesn't make any sense, does it? Because if you're a Libran, your lucky color is this. But you're gambling on the same races. It's a Virgo, you know what I mean?

Yes. So how does that make it? any sense. It's not like there are 12 different dimensions with 12 different winners depending on which star sign you are. So the lucky colour should be the same for everyone. Which is, I thought this was more universal. I used to try and do a stand-up bit. It never really works. I'd be like, I've been doing some astrology. It's Melbourne Cup coming up. So I've worked on your lucky colours. Here they are. Lime green, serrice and horse brown. That's a good line.

I think it's funny, but never, I don't think it got a single laugh ever. I think the line's funny, but I'd never heard of the astrologist expert. Yeah. But the beauty of that for them is that whoever wins, they just go, that's the one. You know, Libra wins. Yeah, that's what? They can claim it. It's just got 12 options.

Virgos, it was not your time to win. Yeah, forgot about Mercury. Oh, dear. Okay, so. So, yeah, he, he, he. At the University of Leipzig, he makes his first recorded observation of the overlapping of Jupiter and Saturn in August of 1563. Do that with a naked eye? Isn't that amazing?

People are like, oh, there's, what's the one we can see the most? Venus or? I don't know. There's one that goes red at night. Yeah, there's the brightest thing in the sky. And I'm like, oh, yeah, I guess. And then it's an airplane usually. Venus is making a weird noise tonight.

Oh, no, Venus is making a weird noise tonight. Oh, no. Venus is on the move. Looks like it's heading of Sydney. Venus has landed. Tolomarie. So, yeah, he, after he observed it, he's like, I want to see if the existing Ormanacs accurately predicted it, including Ptolemy's and, you know, and Egan writes.

He found that they were grossly inaccurate with the Copernican tables several days off in predicting this event. In his youthful enthusiasm, Ty, Tico, I've gone back to, when I haven't got it written down phonetically, I'm just going to, it looks like Tyco. Anyway, Tico decided to devote his life to the accumulation of accurate observations of the heavens in order to correct the existing tables. Do you want to see what this guy looks like?

Yes, now I do. I mean, it's one of the great mustaches of all time. I wasn't imagining great facial hair, maybe sideburns. He looks like he could be a brother of mine, I reckon. Holy, holy, holy. That is your relation. That is an incredible portrait because it actually does those eyes. Wow.

Like that's, you know, some portraits just look like someone's done a picture. Yes. I'm seeing a real man in there. Yeah, yeah. But the moustache doesn't look real, but the eyes look real. Do you agree? Yes, I agree. So we're looking at a man with sort of sandy, reddish hair.

Now I'm just describing Matt, which is the same thing. I don't even know what you'd call that mustache. It's epic. It's like he's got pig tails under his nose. Yeah, it's like a walrus, but rather than come down, it sort of goes out at angles. It doesn't really, unless he's on a, I mean, maybe he's on more of an angle than I realize, but it does seem like one side is considerably longer. Oh.

And there's no curve to it. What do you say? Siblings, not twins. Here's what it is. It's like, it is like the time is. 20 past 7. Yes, he's an analogue clock. Absolutely, that's the time on his face.

He's the original clock face. And he's wearing a great rough. We've got to say that. Oh, look that rough. I love a rough. There is actually an incredibly expensive velvet cape out at Zimmerman at the moment with an oldie Shakespearean ruff. I was about to ask, do you reckon they'll ever come back?

Yeah. What's Zimmerman? Stunning. Oh, Zimmerman is Australian fashion label. It's very expensive. It's like a velvet cape that costs just under two things. thousand dollars. Oh my God.

It is. So someone out there, who's buying that? I always wonder that. Who is buying? Who is buying an Elizabethan velvet cat? Like, as in, it's a very, it doesn't always. It wouldn't be for costume? No, it's absolutely not for costume.

Most of their stuff is either resorty or black tie. You know, like as you're for wearing on an expensive holiday or at an expensive function. I was imagining like a rough by the pool. That is quite a look. You take the cape off and then you have a dip, put it back on. But all of those, it's like there's this really cute sweater on there. And it's, yeah, I'm like, yeah, that's a nice jumper. Oh, it's $800.

Who's buying this stuff? Yeah, it's a lot. But I feel like they don't have to make a couple of sales a day to make it worth it to have the shop open. Okay, that's interesting. And it does feel like it's a, I mean, just a great example of how it's all falling apart. You know, if some people could afford that while so many people are struggling to a job. Every single thing I'm wearing today is secondhand.

Oh, yeah. I'm not spending $800 on a jumper. And I'd like to think if I had it, I'd probably be like, oh, you know what? I could just buy a $400 jumper and give $400 to charity. I'd like to think that I would do that. Yeah. I'll be afraid to wear it. Someone in that position is thinking, well, I mean, I could get a $1,600 jumper.

I'll just get the $800 jump. Yes. Because there's always some with more money than you. I'm not rich. I'm not a billionaire. And then the billionaires are like, well, I'm not a trillionaire now. Yes. At the Commonwealth Games recently, Gina Reinhardt, a multi-malt, maybe Australia's

richest person. I think she is, yeah. Multi-Millionaire is giving 20 grand to swimming gold medalists. Like, 20 grand. Is this a pocket change for you? Yeah. If you're going to give him something. Yeah.

It'll be the equivalent of me giving him five cents. Can you imagine? I think it's way less than that. Yeah, I agree. That's the smallest denomination. You can't give it. I've round enough. A small enough amount to him.

Can you imagine being given 20 grand, though? Oh, I mean, I'd accept it. Straight to Zimmerman. I've been getting that rough. I've got 10. Shakespearean Velvet case. Does Zimmerman do Zimmerframes? Velvet Zimmerman.

Zimmerman. Anyway, what a... I just think he's a fantastic little fellow. He does honestly look like your relative. It could be, right? For sure, Matt. We'll try and post the photo on Instagram. I'm putting him on my, you know, fashion inspo board.

Do you think you could get your moustache there to the 20 past seven by Canada? Oh, I don't think so by Canada. I could do it, but that would probably be a nine-month job or maybe more. Absolutely worth it. Okay. Because Matt is someone who has tried every facial hairstyle on the planet. Hang on. Have you done the wraparound beard with no moustache?

Yes, the chin strap. Sorry, you have. Oh, yeah. He's done them all. What? the hell. Oh yeah, I put air. I've been following my husband's mustache journey on the socials lately.

And I did say that my dad had had the wraparound beard. I didn't realize I did realize I knew someone who'd done that a couple of my dad. Yeah, I've done it. The Abraham. Abraham Lincoln. Gee whiz. Or the James Hetfield 90s style. Mutant chops, you've done the. Nothing amplifies the intimacy of your mouth lips.

Oh, yeah. It's full on. around it but not on it. It's like a full fight. Yeah, it's not a good look. But I reckon it was... It looks like you're saying, look at this mouth. You shouldn't be seeing this.

Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. It's around the, around the, um, my 20s. Actually in the, in the, in the actual, when's this bad boy my show that just come out? I do show a photo where I have the, the goatee without the mustache, but now, not the wraparound. I mean, I'll say that for a future show. Yeah.

I should reveal one embarrassing beard each festival. Has Bad Boy just come out? You're special. Just come out on the 8th of August. It's a great show. It was so cool to see you and Hickey came one night. It was a real thrill to see you after the show. It's always fun when comedians come to your show.

And I'm very glad I didn't know you're there till afterwards. Oh. The whole time I'm thinking like, I wish Claire saw that line get on it last night. It really, I really knowed it last night. Oh yeah, there is that isn't there? It's so funny to have those two conversations in your head. One, just commentating it and just going shut up. Yes.

I don't. You can talk to me later. Yeah, we're not 35 minutes of talking. I really need to be present for this if I can. Yes. I remember one time, Jordan Barr, at the time, I didn't know her very well, sat in the front row for a festival show years ago, six years ago.

Why is she in the front row though? Oh, she would have been pushed there, you know. But I just the whole show, I'm like. Seats at the front, please. My whole, the whole show. my brain just going, I wonder what Jordan's thought of that. Like, this isn't helping?

Wonder what Jordan thought of that one. Oh, I'm sorry, Jordan. Yeah, that, oh, no, sorry, Jordan. I wonder what's Jordan had for lunch. Oh, my gosh. But it does always happen, doesn't it? You've got mates that come along. You're thrilled, they're there, and that will be the quietest show.

Yeah, yeah. You look at it's three uncles. You're like, oh, no. And you just don't want to be. You don't want the first thing you say to somebody you know after your show. You don't want the first thing to be like that actually, that was a quiet one, guys.

You don't want to make a poll. But you have to say. You can't not say, by the way, it's usually better than that. I had 60th last night. Anyway, sorry?

Sorry you came on my breakdown show. But I really wish you didn't leave at that key moment. 12 people, 10 of them uncles, all leaving. Uncle fathers. Or we should get back to the story. Anyway, that mustache, I just thought you needed to see it.

Unbelievable. So, so yeah, he makes that big observation there, and now he's really, he's in. He's like, oh, man, all these books I've been reading, I could do a better job than those. I've got the knack for this. Then from 1565, he left the University of Leipzig to travel around Europe, classic gap year sort of stuff, only set of booze and backpacking. He sort of just kept studying. I think he was still boozing.

Ben, he was. Egen writes, he studied in Wittenberg, Rostock, Basil, and Augsburg, Augsburg, modern-day Germany, I think even Bavaria maybe, and he acquired mathematical and astronomical instruments, including a huge quadrant. This guy's habit was out of control. You see, it just seems like it's a man, mate, you got, you're in too deep, bro. It's like, I'm picturing a huge bong, I guess. I don't have to play so much excess baggage in his quadrant.

He's going to, like, what are those drug paraphernalia shops? I don't know. They usually say, smoke tree. Smoke tree. Yeah, yeah, that sort of stuff. He's doing the astronomy version. According to the dock in the summer of 1565, Jorgon, I'm saying Jorgon, I should look this up, Jorgon's spelt with an O with the line through it.

It does something to the O sound. I should have looked. Anyway, Jorgon, the uncle father, had been in the process of making Tico his legal heir, but unfortunately for Jorgon and Tiko, a war with Sweden intervened. Jorgon was appointed vice-admiral of the Danish fleet, and apparently he either fell into the water or he dived in to try and save the king of Denmark.

Either way, he caught pneumonia after and died from it. Two stories there. I'd really, you'd really, really push it. the one where you dived into trying to save the king. Not just you fell off the boat. No, no, no, no, no, I was trying to save the king. Yeah. Yeah, his last word is, I swear, that wasn't a fall, that was a dive.

Do we, is it true that you can get pneumonia from falling in water? I, well, I wouldn't, I wouldn't know, but, yeah, I don't know. I guess so. I guess if it is on a very cold day. If you're very cold. Yeah. Yeah. I just don't know how much that being cold gives you a cold.

You know, like, that's the old. That's more of a, yeah, it's more of a... Yeah, because that's why we call it a cold, because you caught, you caught the cold. Yes, but it's an... But is it really that? Is it a virus or it's the other thing? Well, usually it's virus, cold viral.

But then maybe, yeah, maybe cold does challenge your immune system and maybe, maybe... Or it just seems to be more likely when people get it, but is that because people are inside more and... It's because people are in, yeah, people are sharing air more. Right. There's less things happening outside is what they were saying about. about COVID. It's not cause it's cold outside.

What? Do you believe in... You don't believe in that. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. We're talking about science here today, Claire, and you're bringing up that mumbo-jumbo. Okay, apologies.

Do go on. Or, as my husband says it, do goon. Dogoon. So, your husband, who has been on who knew it as well, back when... That's right. You put my husband on your podcast. He did. Because he had that great,

Nikki Britain, that great... The Remains. The Remains. Do you ever listen to that? Dave? It was like a light horror, sci-fi audio series.

Oh, that sounds fun. Yeah, it was great. With Nicky Britain is the lead. Oh, very good. That's really good. What's it called? The Remains. The Remains.

I'm going to look that up. Yeah, definitely. And very bingable. I listen to it all in like a couple of nights. Well, yeah, it's really. It's really, they're really short eps. Yeah, love it. Jorgon, one way or another, he dies.

And that is before he's able to finalise the documents to make Tico the air. No. He's about to sign it. And then he goes, actually, there's a war old. He'll get to that later. Just sign it. It's like Alan Partridge. Have you seen that episode of one of his series, he's about to get renewed?

The TV boss, who's signed a thing, dies of a lot. Punches grabs his hand. Good stuff. But anyway, he, yeah. So what happens to the castle? Well, apparently it ended up going to his wife, the auntie, instead. It seems fair, to be honest.

And then when the auntie died, it just got split up in all sorts of directions across the Brahe family. He's like, I got kidnapped for this. I deserve this. But I mean, to me, that's the, that's the funnier version. I saw another version where he did inherit. It's so funny how it's, it's only 500 years ago, but the story splays at every key moment to three or four variations. So you've chosen the funniest each time.

It's a choose your own adventure. It is a little bit, yeah. You choose the bit or he falls off a boat. But I'll tell you either way, he's not poor, you know. Money's not a huge issue for him either way. He's going to be all right. Yeah, he's going to be okay. In 1566, this is maybe one of the most famous non-astronomy-related events in his life.

He was studying at Rostock in modern-day Germany when he attended a party, put on by a professor again, many versions of this. Could have been an engagement party. Whatever, it was a fancy do. Could have worn a nice velvet Zimmerman coat. Oh, my God. This is exactly what he would have. There's exactly the sort of event. Everyone would have been in Zimmerman, head to toe.

Yeah. And, yeah, he was engaged in a discussion, a heated discussion about mathematics with a fellow Danish noble and student at Rostock named Rostock, named after Berg. Manderup, Parsberg. That sounds the answer to a who knew it question. He does, doesn't. It sounds like gibberish. Yeah. What's the name of this bird, Manderup Parsman? And the two men also happen to be third cousins.

probably, you know, they're both nobles in Denmark. Probably they're all related to some degree. But anyway, it got increasingly heated. And in the end, they decided to settle their difference with a jewel. Honestly, I mean, I asked you this question before. What would you sneak out at night to pursue? What would you, would you have an argument about mathematics that got so heated, you'd challenge your third cousin to a duel about mathematics.

Yeah. I love mathematics. I love it. I'm like, it just doesn't seem, it doesn't seem in the same universe as a Jewel. No, it doesn't. They can't get that heated. Yeah, I feel like I'd probably be in the discussion up to maybe warm, but once it got to heat it, I'm out. And that's well before Jewel. Oh, that's so far. When you're looking at the person across from you and they're getting angry about mathematics, doesn't it just, doesn't it, isn't it, isn't it just like holding a mirror? up to yourself and you're like, holy, holy, I'm having, I can't believe we both got so angry about mathematics.

Like, sure, can you really sustain anger about mathematics? Yeah. Whilst looking at someone opposite you who's angry about mathematics. It would, you would, I feel like you would break out and laugh at, wouldn't you? You'd laugh. What are we doing? But no, they didn't get to that point. Okay.

And it's funny, it seems like the jewel was even a couple days later. Like, they had time to cool down. Oh, wow. Oh my goodness. I read it in some sources say it was in darkness, though, the jewel, which I think is a crazy way to have a sword fight. He's going to get distracted by the stars. He's looking up.

His flanks are open? I tell you what, that could explain it because Pazberg won the jewel, striking Brahe in the face with his sword, slicing through the bridge of his nose and scarring his forehead. Permanent scar on his forehead and lopped out a part of his nose. What was the moustache okay? Moustache survived. Or was that image taken after the sword,

the sword cut his mustache in two, and that's why it's at that weird angle. Maybe, yeah. The shorter length was... Yeah. That is crazy, though, cutting him on the face. Egan writes, he and Palsberg became good friends afterwards.

But Tico wore a prosthetic nose for the rest of his life. I think he had about a year before he found one. His false nose was long thought to be made of silver or gold But his corpse was exhumed in 2010 And it was found that the nose was actually made of brass Wouldn't you be pissed off if 500 years later They're digging up your body Because people are now debating about what your fake nose was made of

Yeah, people getting so angry They challenge each other to a duel But it was over the first It was like the first time He'd been exhumed in about 100 years He's been exhumed a few times So every 100 years I have a look at Oh, look.

Poke around in there. How? What sort of a proposal do you have to write to get yourself an exhumation? We need that body. Like, how, can you imagine the paperwork involved? You're like, we want to dig him up again? And this is what, like, you'd have to, was it just, it's just the nose again. Yeah, it's just the nose again.

But who call, who makes that call? Like, what? How do we know that somebody didn't swap out the pure gold nose for a brass nose? Oh, my God. Oh, yeah, guys, it was actually pretty cheap this thing. Yeah, don't worry about it. As you sort of pocket a gold nose. Imagine trying to hawk a gold nose.

Someone takes a brass. The next time it's a wooden nose. It's just a garden tap. Especially it's paper mashet. So, yeah, crazy. So he's a man with a false nose. Middle nose. What age?

What age does he had about? I think it was like 19 at that point. At 19, you're swapping out your real nose for a nose. a brass one. But, you know, he could pick whatever nose he wants at that point. You know what I mean? That's something. I was in, maybe I'd have.

Did you mean the pick? No. Oh, I was laughing because I thought you were making a joke. I thought so too. You can pick whatever nose. You can pick a brass nose. You can pick a wooden nose. You can pick all the nose.

I've got a bad reputation as a guy who purposely does bad jokes. But I never realized I've done them. till people are patronisingly laughing at me. We think we're laughing with you. But no, I think if I was him, I'd have, I'd have a series of noses, you know. You'd get Zimmerman to design a gold nose. Oh, yeah. But then you'd have, you know, I'd have an everyday nose.

And a good nose. I'd have my good nose. Going out nose. I'd have my ostentatious big nose. Yeah. You know, I'd have a petite nose. Yeah, you'd really. I mean different era

But you know the The sort of Italian Lahtze You know the clowning All the different shaped noses Mean different personality types Right There you go

Yeah you'd have your red nose Red nose day It'd be a dream for you You'd have your bulging nose You'd have your like Long upturned nose Yes Yeah

You'd open up the drawer with the noses How do I feel today Yeah What nose What nose am I feeling Yeah my feeling Which one should I pick Which one should I pick today

God he's good I just got it clear, that is good, what I did before. It was good. So, so yeah, he's a man with a new nose and a new lease on life and a new friend and third cousin. Anyway, he found out news soon after this that his natural father, Oddie Brahe was ailing.

He was maybe on his last legs. So he returned to Dad Mark. and his dad died in May of 1571. This left Tico a substantial legacy. So he potentially didn't get the uncle father estate, but he did get a bunch of stuff from his. Okay, do you have to go home, try and get your dad to adopt you? Yeah, yeah.

Because you were adopted out to the brother. Imagine being the other 11 kids or 10 kids of that dad. Like, wait, hang on, you come back to claim this as well? He swoops in. Yeah. Come on. Yeah, I mean, that looks like Tico's nose, but you could be anyone. It's so funny.

Like instead of Revere like Scooby-Doo mask pull-off, it's a nose pull-off. Oh my gosh, I didn't recognize you behind that giant honker. So, yeah, he got a chunk of his parents' estate, and he settled back in his family's homeland of Skania, Skarnia, which is modern-day Sweden. But back then it was part of Denmark. Shout out to Swedish listeners. Oh yeah, big shout out. They are loving the pronunciation. Yeah.

They're not listening anymore. They are laughing it up. No. What's Swedish like? Not that. That's all they know. Like the Swedish chef. Oh, targan, borgon.

Like that? I'm not listening anymore. Is it more like that? Keep going. Keep going. Have another attempt. Claire's like, don't. Save yourself.

And Dave's like, giving me more and more rope. Yeah, sorry. So he, back at home, he set up a small observatory on a relative property. And there, Egan writes on the 11th of November 1572, he suddenly saw a new star, brighter than Venus and where no star was supposed to be. And this was, this was full on at the time. Egan writes, it was a disquieting discovery to the broader community. Demeuro writes, since antiquity, astronomers had subscribed to the doctrine of celestial immutability

laid out by the philosopher Aristotle. The doctrine essentially stated that the universe, which was ruled by the heavens, was perfect and unchanging. If the stars were constant, it did not make sense that Tico could be seeing an entirely new one in a constellation that had been mapped out for centuries. It was turned everything they knew on at TED. So that can't be right. It's Y2K all over again.

Exactly. Get in the hole. Just in case. Everyone, to the hole. The doc writes, he studied the new heavenly body for a year. We now know it was a supernova. But to that it was just a new star suddenly appearing. So it was a star that was already there.

On his last legs. Yes. Exploding. But, you know, that gets. really hot and bright. In that final burst of... And it lasted for a few years. So he was able to observe it for quite a while.

Do I just not notice when they happen? Or is that just something that is very rare? I think it's hard to... You've got to be... I mean, now with telescopes it's easier, but you've got to be looking at the right spot at the right time. I guess you've got to be pretty clued in. I don't map out the stars.

Apparently the best ever do it is this sort of a hobbyist Australian who just had a homeschooling. set up and he's he's documented more than anyone else before. In terms of stars? Read about that in Bill Bryson's book, Short History of Nearly Everything. Oh, stars or supernovas? Supernovas. Oh, right.

Yeah. Just a guy out there. Just a guy. So anyway, yeah, he studied this new star and the doc rights. He deduced that it was a star because unlike closer bodies such as the planets, it's positioned relative to the other stars did not change. But yeah, this freaked everyone. turned everything on its head.

And in 1573, he released his findings in a book called De Nova Stella on the new star, the English pronunciation. And this established the term Nova as describing a new star. So he coined that basically. Ah. But so Super Nova. Yeah, never really thought about super new. Actually, it's actually an elderly star.

Yeah, yeah, fanning it's super old. Yeah. Yeah. Language, huh? Huh? I tell you. Oh, my God. Oh, God. Always changing, always evolving.

I think it's beautiful. The publication of his observations put him on the map among serious scientists. As Egan puts it, this marked his transformation from a Danish dilettante to an astronomer with a European reputation. What a beautiful word dilettante is. Oh, I love it. Continue. At the time, Tico did one of the most controversial things in his whole life. Okay.

So he's now a big-name scientist, he's a nobleman. I can tell by the sound of your voice that you're hitting the bit that we've all been waiting for. I thought the nose was good. Me too. What is it? The nose was good. No, this isn't that bit. I was more setting up for an anti-climax here, but it was super controversial at the time.

This is what he did. He married a commoner. Oh my gosh. In his life, this is probably the most controversial thing he did. But to us, it's like, oh, cool. Anyway, the commoner and his new wife was named Kirsten Hansen. And she was the daughter of a Lutheran minister. Yuck, common.

Daughter of a preacher. Oh, my God. Wrong side of the tracks. She wouldn't even be able to take her eyes off his shiny nose. Yeah, that's right. I've never seen anything. She's a gold nose digger. Yeah, gold nose digger.

But yeah, noble marrying a peasant makes me sick even saying the words out loud. The doc writes it was illegal for the young couple to marry in the usual way. However, provided they lived together for three years, their partnership would be recognised as a legal marriage. Wow. And they did this and became husband and wife. True love, huh? The pair had eight children, but because Kirsten wasn't a noble, their children. their children weren't either, and were not entitled to any of the privileges of nobility

and were not able to inherit his estates or his coat of arms. Wow. They were in pure. Yeah. So he obviously... Incredible. I assume really loved her, which I think is rare back then. I mean, as it still is probably in a lot of royal families.

I'm just shocked that somebody that wealthy and influential can't like. cheat the paperwork a bit more. She's like, oh no, she's a noble commoner. Yeah, sure, wouldn't you just, wouldn't you just fake it? Yeah. I reckon. Yeah, I'm shocked. It must have been easy to forge stuff back then.

Yeah, especially when you're, to be powerful enough that, to be powerful enough that people legally thought of anyone beneath you as being muck and not worth you marrying. To be that powerful. and yet not powerful enough to pretend that the person you want to marry is good enough. Yeah, it's a funny thing. It feels like if your scene has been that good, then you should have the power to make the muck better. Yeah, right, right?

Yeah. Because if you think about extreme power and privilege nowadays, absolutely. You could get anyone a passport saying there whatever you want if you're rich and powerful enough. And you don't have to because you're, You're allowed to marry muck now. Yeah.

But it's like back then, rather than your nobility being contagious, it was the muck that tainted you, not the other way around. Yes, that's right. Anyway. Anyway. There's three muckers here. How dare you? Filthy grubs.

All right, maybe not you. Dave's from the Warnocky clam. It's like, I'll have you know a shop at Zimmerman. Really? I can't believe. I can't believe. believe I. It's just that I was looking at that cape yesterday. I love it. I'm going to look it up after this. All right.

It sounds great. I'm impressed that you're even aware. I don't look it up while Matt keeps talking. I think just being aware of Zimmerman's is a step above the muck. Most of the muck aren't even allowed to hear. Yeah, here I am thinking about Gorman. I thought you were talking about Gorman. Oh my, as if they do a velvet cape with a rough, honestly. Matt doesn't even know Gorman. That's where he's at. Yeah, I do know Anko. Is that related?

So, yeah, had the eight kids, married a Colemaner, but, yeah, just they were sort of shunned a bit, basically. Yeah. But he had cash, so he was able to, you know, they lived okay, but weren't able to, like, initially he was meant to be in the Royal Court and stuff. That was what his parents wanted for him, but that was absolutely off the cards now, even if he wanted to, because of his mucky, uh. Mucky family He mucked it up He should have just married someone else And then had there as the proper wife

Which I think was the way more common thing back then Was have the children And they said no it's actually her Like and then obviously A marriage of convenience She's happy with it as well Did you want to look at the Velocat? I'd love to have you got it there Claire

You bet I have Here look at that here Oh there's a video Play it at it Of course it is When you're selling something for $1,700 This is amazing Isn't it beautiful

It is really cool And you just know it'd be the soft as velvet. And I love how one of the tassels hanging at knee length is the kind of champagne color. And then the other tassels is black, you know, like just the details. Breastaking. I feel, how many would they sell? It's got to be limited edition.

Because otherwise you're rocking up at a party, you know, imagine rocking up and two of you're wearing it. Oh my gosh. I'd say, I'd wear this, I'd imagine someone wearing this, and I couldn't think of any other occasion to like a masquerade ball. Yeah, it does seem a bit eyes wide shut, doesn't it? Yes, very much. So it'd be so fun to do Logies in something like that, but you wouldn't, and people would lampoon you for it. You know, like, Logies is our screen awards and everyone just plays it really safe.

It's like pretty gowns boring. The end. Oh my God. Yeah, that's something of a wizard might be. I'm showing up, but also maybe the video too, so people can see, oh my goodness. It's this thing. So it's called, if you want to look it up, Zimmerman, Valiant Velvet Cape, nearly $2,000. I'd wear the hell out of that.

Oh, do they still do? I like that it's nearly 2000. I still do 1999, 99, 95. It's 1950. Yeah, that's a rich people version of the nun. Wow, amazing. Only available in black cream. Yeah.

Okay, thank you. Sounds delicious. That's great. I'm going straight there after work. So, despite the commoner family, he's on the map scientifically, and this new found scientific start and put him in pretty hot demand. He planned to move back to Germany.

It wasn't Germany isn't existing, but you know what I mean, back to where it is now, to build a new observatory. But the Danish king, Frederick II, heard about this, and he pulled out all the stops to keep the young astronomy star inside his kingdom. Like the rock stars of their era. Yeah. And I'm amazing that you've got enough respect for the king to do that, but he won't recognize your mucky wife or your children.

Yes. Yeah, it does like the king. The king feels like the king could go, I'm overruling this one. Yeah, she's all right. I met her. Yeah, she feels noble enough. So the king, to keep him in the country, gave him like a little fiefdom a title to the island of Venn. This island in between modern day Sweden and Denmark, sort of the north of Copenhagen.

he gave him that island to set up a new observatory. Great. As well as the island, he offered to pay for the building of the observatory and laboratories and whatever. And he took up this offer and built as palatial. It was basically a palace slash observatory on this island. That is awesome. You must be able to visit it nowadays.

It must be there. I haven't looked up. I did look up just to see where the island was on Google Maps. Yeah. And it does have. It's there. I want to go. He goes observatory.

It's still, oh, what it's actually called, Chonte in a second. Yeah. And there's a museum for him there, I think. Yeah, I'd love to go. So in around 1580, he completed the three-story palatial observatory. With both form and function in mind, he had brought Dutch and Italian architects in to help design it. He wanted to make it really beautiful. He was a bit of a, what do you call those people who do all sorts of stuff?

Renaisance Man. Renaissance Man. What's more polymath? So he was big on art design as well, as well as inventions, as I'll mention a minute. But yeah, so he wanted to be very aesthetically pleasing, but he also brought in German craftsmen to construct the astronomical instruments. So it just like be, you know, classic German engineering. And yeah, he was also an inventor, according to Egan. He invented a pressure system to provide the then uncommon convenience of sanitary lavatory facilities.

just on the off, which I mean, in my head, it's just like he's creating Caroma flushable toilets. Yeah. Caroma's sort of like the Zimmerman of the toilets. Oh, yeah. One can only dream. It's the only what brand I could think of. There's one that's got a way funnier name, but I can never think of it. Name a toilet brand.

Yeah, I can't. Oh, geez, Caroma's there. What else is Fowler? Fowler. to see that. That's very good. Spelled with a W, but you hear the U. Yeah, that sounds like a real nomative determinism.

A friend called Fowler in it. It's on a Cia Toil and take a photo, send it to her. Is this one of yours? Armative Shanks, that's one of seeing a... Armadive Shanks, that's a funny one. That's a funny. That is funny. That's funny.

Funny as. As rampaging Roy Slavin might say. Funny as H.G. So in naming the observatory, Tico went with, beautiful name for a boy, girl, Araniburg, Araniburg. Araniburg. The name comes from Urania or Urania,

the muse of astronomy. Makes more sense now, but it's such an ugly name. Aranaborg. And what is that? It sounds like the name of a toilet. Yeah, it really does. What is it? What is Aranaborg?

That's what he called the Observatory. Oh, that's terrible. That is an awful. It's a real, like, beautiful palatial observatory. What's it called Aranabor? Wait, that's the name of your toilet wing? No, the whole place. Oh, that's great.

That's really great. The mucks rubbing off on him. Real commoner stuff. Corner to the dock, Tico's Island was rather windy, and he realized, I didn't even think about this or that. He basically goes into the hole. He realized it was so windy. that it was going to be hard to make highly precise astronomical measurements,

unless he had perfect stillness. So we decided to build an underground observatory, a hole, which he completed in 1581. Tico called his underground observatory Storenborg, probably not quite right, meaning Starcastle. That's so much better than Urenball. Yeah. Yeah, Starcastle.

Starcastle is a right. It's a Mario Brothers sort of thing. Tico now carried out research on a scale few other astronomers could match. Egan Wright, surrounded by scholars and visited by learned travellers from all over Europe, Tico and his assistants collected observations and substantially corrected nearly every known astronomical record. Urenborg fulfilled the hopes of Tico's king and friend Frederick II that it would become the center of astronomical study and discovery in northern Europe. It was a huge success. While living in his castle-like observatory, he was surrounded by an eccentric entourage.

Claire, now we get to the bit that got this over the line. Okay, the pitch. This was what was put in the pitch that got the votes. Unfortunately, there isn't that much to talk about, but, you know, just if you thought he was, have you thought he's a bit quirky so far? Yes. He's a man with a golden brass nose. Well, this will fill out that picture a little bit.

His entourage was eccentric, particularly two of his entourage. One human, one animal. Okay. The human was a court jester named Jep, who Tico believed to have psychic powers, and at dinner time, Jep would sit under the table. Okay. Like a child. And the animal?

Under the table, like a child? You know, when you're out for dinner and a table. And a child is so bored that they just go under the tub. Get back here. Get back here. No, but he's under there doing, he's just doing psychic reading sort of. So it's just a man of science. How do you spell J?

J. J. J. E, double P. That's what I was imagining. Yeah. Good name for a pet, actually. But I think.

I know it's not. I know it's a man. It's a jester. Yeah, the animal's still to come. Jep is good, but the piece of resistance is the animal. the most eye-catching member of the posse was his prize pet either an elk or a moose

that's so much bigger than I was imagining I was thinking a weasel or something Were you? Because I was like initially I just thought Well obviously it's a dog Hang on what if it's a monkey That's so big And yeah

Either of the elk or the moose It's a big deer No wonder the jest is under the table Because the moose doesn't fit And also The moose was a boozer, so I'd be hiding under the table as well. Terrifying. So, yeah, Tico got the moose drunk all the time. Apparently the moose was

an alcoholic. And, yeah, this copious amount of beer that the moose drank would lead to its downfall. I'd probably a lot of pissing inside. Like it fell down? A downfall, it fell down. Oh my God, again, Claire, I did not realize it, but yes. As Alistair Wilkins, accounts for Gizmodo, the elk met a rather bizarre end, reportedly drinking a lot of beer while visiting a nobleman on Tico's behalf, after which it fell down the stairs and died. Wilkins does clarify, yes, that entire sentence was about an elk. Visiting a nobleman on Tico's behalf. He sends it ahead?

Yeah, he sends it out. Sorry, elk. I wish the elk had a name. Sorry, Elk, can you go check? Got to visit my nobleman friend. I simply don't have time. I don't have time. I'm looking at the stars.

He needs the company. Don't worry. I won't make it sober. He's a six-pack. And then the elk got so drunk, it fell down the stairs. Fell down the stairs. Which, I mean, shouldn't be funny. But it's a very funny image.

Obviously, if you're not thinking about it as a real, if you're thinking of like a cartoon elk. Oh, yeah, there's a lot of. Tumbling down the stairs. It's not funny. It's a horrible idea. But also, people eat the meat of animals every day. Like we're going to have to be comfortable with the fact that animals die. Let's have a thing just for a second about the noisy. Do you think it would be more people would be more comfortable eating meat if every animal had met with a hilarious death? I wonder, but actually I don't think people need any help feeling more comfortable eating meat.

Yeah. I think people are more comfortable than you'd think they would be. How about this as a test? If you didn't find that funny, you're not allowed to eat meat anymore. Yeah, I actually think that's fair. Yeah. If you're going, oh, man, I think. Oh, my heart's breaking for the poor elk. Yeah, well, you're not allowed to eat red meat anymore if you say that.

Okay. Well, I liked a lot and I'll be enjoying my lunch. I think at every steakhouse, they should be a clip of a dramatic recreation of Tico's elk. To enter, if you don't pass a laughometer. You guys are joking, but I do find the hypocrisy really troubling, and I actually do feel like more people should have to see footage of how their meat is produced before they eat their meat. I think that's fair. I think I'm done with a hypocrisy.

I take it one step further. I'd say you have to push your animal down the stairs. And then? Well, we're not psychopathic. I don't know, I reckon that would probably stop a few people. It's not me. But I'm afraid it would encourage others. They're like, oh, I'm not thinking anymore.

This is too big of an opportunity. Hey, if he doesn't want to do it, can I do his one as well? You push one elk down the stairs. You're eating for a year. Oh, yeah. How long would you now? A lot of meat on one of those things. Yeah, yeah.

And so soft from all the beers. Do you reckon the nobleman, the nobleman, that was his story. he's like oh tico yeah he just fell down the stairs sorry yeah and i didn't want him to go to waste here he is here he is meet him rare yeah because you get to say yeah you're out got drunk you know how he is you know how he's loose he's a loose moose we all knew i was going to catch up with him someday let's just laugh and have some milk oh my god yeah i reckon that's definitely what happened the noblemans he's made that why is it the top of Yes.

Like that seems ridiculous in itself. Why did you take him upstairs or near any stairs? Yeah, he's got no business being upstairs. Anything with that state? Anything with hooves can't go near the stairs. No. It is actually really hard to get a hooved animal up or down. Should be a ramp.

What we'd have to assume are stone stairs. That's right. That's true. Yeah, anyway, so that I'm pretty sure if it wasn't for that, we wouldn't be talking about this guy. right now. Yep. After all the scientific things he did,

it's all about that drunkenness. Yeah, and let's not forget Jep under the table. Jep's little side dish there. Jep under the table, psychic jep. Psychic Jep. Yeah, but the thing is,

if he hadn't dedicated him to himself to the study of stars, the stars would have been studied. Would a drunken elk have fallen downstairs without him? That's right. That is his legacy. That's true. Yeah, the stars will always be there.

Yeah. But the elk. Oh yeah, that wasn't an inevitableity, was it? No, right? People noticing stars, that's going to happen at some point. Yeah. Let's talk a little bit about some of his scientific successes. Having found issues with existing star catalogs,

he decided to work towards creating his own, which would replace the ancient work of Ptolemy. Tolomy. According to Tico accurately recorded positions of 777, stars by 1592 and eventually amassed data on 106 stars. Which is obviously very impressive but when you hear that people say that there's more stars and grains of sand on planet Earth. Yes.

That would be frustrating. Well, this is pre-t telescopes. Telescopes definitely helped. But at the time he'd be thinking, I've got nearly all of these. Yeah, yeah. This is it. As time goes by, you're like, what was the point of that? Yeah.

There's trillions of these things. I think luckily he died before the telescope. it was invented. They would have been cruel otherwise. Oh, no, to be honest, he would have loved it, surely. Yeah. A guy dedicated his life to it. You'd like to think that he looked through and went,

holy shit, this is exciting. Yeah. But there's two types of people. One type of person would have looked through and go, oh, what was the point of what I did? Great. What a waste of my fucking life. Thank God for the elk.

My legacy is assured. The doc also says, in one of his most brilliant pieces of work, and I don't know really know what this means, but I thought I should highlight some of his successes anyway. In 1595, Tico discovered the variation of the moon's longitude and that the moon's oscillations on its orbital plane are relative to the elliptic are not a constant 5 degrees,

but vary between 5 and 5 and a quarter degrees. From this, he was able to reason correctly that there are oscillations in the longitude of the lunar nodes. Wow. Can't put it any more plainly than that. I'm sure you can't. Yeah, tip my hat to that one. I only half listened.

I've just been thinking, I wonder what is eight children thought about the elk. They would have loved it. Do you reckon they would have loved it or would they just have been kind of like, yes, you can pick us up from school, but don't bring the elk. It's embarrassing.

Oh, that's so true. Pick us up a couple of blocks away. If you insist on bringing that drunken elk. Please let us off the elk early. Yeah, they're all on the elk. All eight of them. That's why I need an elk and not a, you know, a pony or something.

That's why a monkey wouldn't do. Monkeys maybe could carry a couple. Elk can carry all right. He wasn't right about everything, of course. For instance, he didn't agree with Copernicus's work, suggesting the Earth rotates around the sun. He did, he brought in part of it, but he tried to, he had a bit of both, bit of topology, what was his name?

Ptolemy. Tolemy. And a bit of Copernicus. He was sort of saying, the planets go around the sun, but the sun and the planets go around the earth. He was trying to have a bit of both ways. Because he thought the earth was simply too heavy to fly at an enormous speed through the heavens. He's like, it's too big and heavy.

It can't be rotating around the sun. I mean, it's stationary. I know that's not true. But when you say it like that, you're like, yeah, it is probably too heavy. Yeah. But the airplanes are too heavy to fly for sure. What? What?

Yeah. How is this happening? Yeah, I mean, all of this is like, it seems silly now. I was like, I don't, I mean, I'm just taking everyone's word for it. I'm not, I'm not personally saying how silly. I'm just saying. Yeah, I couldn't tell you why that's silly, but. But apparently back at this point, they thought these sort of large, almost invisible crystal type things held the planets in position.

And he was, he was one of the first to really debunk that, which is interesting in itself. People going, you know, they're being held in place. Not that we're all just sort of floating around or whatever. Anywho, things were all good and he was living it up, really just astronomising until his friend and king died in 1588. Frederick II was succeeded by his son Christian IV, who wasn't quite as generous to Tico. This is perhaps because Frederick II spoilt Tico a bit. As Egan writes, Tico had become both unreasonably demanding of more money and less. less inclined to carry out the civic duties required by his income from state lands.

Oh, it must feel good to cut your dad's best friend off. Yeah, he's like, this guy was getting too big for his boots. Yeah. Especially he sounds a bit odd. He's coming around. Oh, it's the guy with the bloody elk again. Cut him off. Your dad's a weird mate.

Yeah, he's like, mate, didn't Jep see this coming? Yeah, cut off. They're kicking Jep under the table. Why don't you tell me about this? Yeah, it's also been positive, posited that the New King had a strong dislike for the astronomer. Demuro writes, it's been speculated that the New King's animosity stemmed from the rumor that Tico had been having an affair with his mother, Queen Sophie. Oh. A rumor that also may have inspired Shakespeare's most famous tragedy, Hamlet.

As Claire rightly predicted. We've got our own little Jep here. Jep under the table. Hang on. So is Hamlet meant to have been having a sort of an affair with a married man's, with a king's wife? Is he? No, it's Hamlet's uncle. Yes. Kills his father and usurps the throne. Okay. Marries his mother. Uh-huh. Yeah. So. But Tico wasn't related to the king, but he's meant to be. Well, that's the rumor. The affair might have had a son.

Oh, who was? Who was the. Who was Hamlet? was the new king, Christian. Oh. So there's a rumor that Tico's actually Christian's father. And then Christian comes along and cuts him off? Yeah, well, he's like, well, I guess he doesn't like the rumor. His real dad. And then it also maybe would mean that he can't be king.

He's not king if his real dad wasn't the king. Yeah. I guess. Yeah. None of this is the plot of Hamlet, but I still like that it inspired Hamlet. Yeah. Shakespeare took it for a walk. Yeah, that's right.

There's enough. I mean, Hamlet's full of like, yeah, like it's full of intrigue, for sure. And it's also, like, I think Hamlet was inspired by a bunch of other things, probably more likely. Maybe there's thoughts that this coloured it a bit, I don't know. Having no idea about Hamlet, apart from to be or not to be. But Christians, so it's not teak of it.

That's right. That's all I know. That's the, And ruffs, maybe. Plenty of ruffs. Plenty of ruffs. I'll tell you what, plenty of bloody ruffs. Yeah.

I mean, I should know Hamlet, but I can't remember it, but I should. Fun fact, I directed Hamlet for Perth Theatre Company, featuring as Hamlet, and at the time, little known musical theatre performer called Tim Minchin. Holy moly. Yeah, Minch played Hamlet, and I directed it. And it was because they lost something from their program and I'd already applied for and received funding. So this show was ready to go up And I got to do it under the Perth Theatre umbrella

Even though I was only 23 Wow That's incredible Isn't it? And at the time you're just like Oh well life goes on And then you reflect back on it You're like oh

I was only 23 So you're Australia's Richard Osman Mel and Orsou And Shakespeare Yeah and also Shakespeare Australia's You're Australia's bard

I'm a Renaissance man So yeah, anyway, a bit of fun, but, you know, a bit of a throwaway, maybe influenced or inspired Hamlet. Either way, Tico's influence dwindled and most of his incomes was stopped after this new king came in, possibly his son. Possibly his imagine that grandson. He continued on at Uranaborg, the beautifully named Island Observatory, under these tighter conditions into the 1590s,

but in 1597, he shut up shop and went looking for new opportunities, potentially fleeing because he was worried about the new king being after him. So after returning to Rostock, he settled then in Prague in 1599. There he worked on horoscopes for the Holy Roman Emperor Rudolf II. Oh my horoscope. So we used to do a bit of astrology. Did I say horoscis? Yes.

Yeah. It's like astrology, astronomy, yeah. Yeah. Stars. The big donner says you can have a good one. Emperor. So his comment a wife and children were welcome into Rudolph's court and treated as nobles here. So treat it with a lot more respect.

Yeah. Which is a happy sort of ending here. You'd write a weird horoscope column, wouldn't you, for that kind of deal? Yes. Make it up? You've found a place where your wife and children are welcome. All you've got to do for this cushy life is pretend to care about people's lucky colours for the week. You would do it, you do it.

That's how all horoscope artists are born. That's how they start. And then they start believing their own bullshit. Yeah, I wonder if he did. And well, he was also funded by the emperor to continue his work, you know, writing his magnum opus. Sounds like a conflict of interest to me, but all right. Pick aside. Strolity, astronomy.

Which one are you? Tolomy. Astronomy, astrology, autonomy. As long as I can work autonomously, then I'm okay. So when Tico left Urnborg, he didn't go empty-handed. He took within decades worth of data, or nearly decades worth of data based on his observations made there. Now in Prague. Do you take Jep?

I don't know. There's no word if you took Jep. Still under the table. Or the carcass of the elk. I would have had that elk stuffed, surely. But no, now in Prague, he continued his work, and he hired a young man named Johannes Kepler as his assistant. Hello.

Is that name ring any bells? Yeah. He's like a big deal in this world. And so he was, yeah, it turns out he was the mentor of Kepler. Together, Kepler and Tico continue to work on the New Star Catalog. Kepler and Tico, the Las Vegas show. What do they perform with? What do you think?

What are you imagining? There's definitely a drunk elk. Yes. Allusions, a drunk elk. They're, yeah, they're the tiger magicians only with elk, drunken elks. You know, instead of white tigers. Yeah, okay, yeah. That's those guys named?

Just as dangerous. Oh, yeah. Siegfried and Royd. Yeah. Roy. Royd. Royed. You're going to need some urine bog for that ride.

That is also, that's from bad boy. I said it so much doing that show. how I mis-said their names once that I've actually now locked that in. Did I just say Ziggfried and Royd? Yes, you do. Yeah, that is, that's a leftover from the Bad Boy Show. God damn it.

Bit of fun. But anyway, it's available on Humdinger now. Maybe it wasn't an accident. That's how good at plugs I am. Or how about this for a plug? We also, I did a full episode for Patreon on the history of Sigrid and Lord. Oh, you did. It was so fun.

I love that episode. Wild story. Yeah. Probably unsurprisingly, to be honest. But yeah, they, wild story. Anyway, do so favour. And go see Claire at Edinburgh. So Kepler's now his assistant and together, they kept working on it.

But apparently Ticoe jealously guarded his data. He wouldn't really let Kepler look at his books too much. And apparently Kepler was pretty annoyed by that. Fair enough. Probably drove him to Greater Heights, though. But that does not, that mentor relationship where the mentor is like, so long as I get to remain the greatest holder of knowledge, so long as you never surpass me, I will take you under my wing.

That's not real mentorship. You should hope for your mentor to exceed you. You should give them everything you have and hope that they do better than you, which has happened to me a great many times. Oh, like, how many mentors did you surpass? Oh, I see what you're saying. Are we talking earlier about a young hamlet, for example? Yeah, yeah, that's a good call.

I didn't even think of that one. Yeah, he's done all right, isn't he? Ross Lyon, current St. Kilda coach, talking like that in his press conference this week, he's like talking to his players saying, he's like, they'll all outlast me. I'm hoping to be on the couch watching them playing grand finals. Like, that's good mentor stuff. That's good mentorship. Others would probably quietly just think in

I'm going to, if I don't make it, I'm burning this club to the ground. Fuck them. Anyway, sadly all good things must come to an end. And only two years after relocating to Prague, he died. Now, potentially under suspicious circumstances, some think maybe Kepler was so jealous that he wouldn't let be able to get into the books that maybe Kepler took him out. Others think maybe the new king wanted to take out him out.

But it's unsure. But people are still writing about this theory. There was a book written in 2004 suggesting that it was the king who took him out. Not directly, but he had someone go and do it. Usually the idea is poison. At one point when his body was exhumed, Mercury was found in his beautiful mustache. I love how his mustache survived hundreds of years. That is amazing.

Also, poisoning, that's very Hamlet-esque. Right. It's poison into the ear, isn't it? Yeah. This is nasty. Oh, yeah, just tickling. The feeling, because you'd wake up for a second and go, oh, what's that?

Oh, no. The 2010 exhumation of his body, which made a bit of news at the time, Seems to have probably ruled out poison as a cause of death. They reckon the amount of mercury he had on him, which the last time they found it was like, oh, this is interesting.

But it seems like it's probably the same amount of mercury that everyone would have in their beard. Okay. So like a very small amount, I'm assuming, I'm hoping, unless beards attract mercury. Oh,

maybe. I remember they're using mercury beard oil or something. Oh, true. There were some theories that he was a scientist, and they did wacky things back then. Have a little sense. Maybe it was having a little. testing out a mercury shots.

But yeah, it seems to have ruled out poison as a cause of death that recent exhumation. Instead, the most common story, and this was the story at the time, Kepler even wrote about it, that he died of politeness. And I guess this is the final. So the big bits of his life that I think people know about,

his fake nose, his drunken moose, and how he probably died out of politeness. This sounds like the way I'm going to go. The doc writes on October the 13th, 1601, Tico attended a banquet in Prague, real Zimmerman type of fare. As usually, he had plenty to drink, but the meal carried on for a long time. Although desperate to urinate, he did not leave the table. It would have been impolite to leave the table before the meal was formally over.

When he died, age 54 on the 24th of October, 1601 in Prague. So this is less than two weeks later. His premature death was probably caused by a burst bladder. Complications from. My goodness. Okay. Number one, sounds like something I would do.

Yeah. It really made me think of all these times where I'm like, man, I've... I've pushed it real hard. I've pushed it hard out of politeness. Can you imagine, didn't anyone notice at the table that he wasn't laughing at any of the jokes anymore? Yeah. He's just sweating. Taping his foot

dancing when there's no music. Isn't that what Jeff was there for to just hold the end tight? But number two, it goes to, I mean, like, that's what the history books say died of politeness, when really they're saying died of a burst bladder. Yeah, I mean, that's a good spin, really. That is great spin. That's the best spin since died saving the king. Yeah, that's true.

So, yeah, he was buried with great honours in prize. Teen Cathedral. Obviously, great honors then, he's been dug up like a common muck. Yeah, many times since. They did him up weekly. Yeah. Give a proternity bladder in the year. No, it's going on.

But how do your egos go with the idea of, like, would it be, would it be, is there something to be said for being valuable enough to the story of your people and the generations after you that people every now and then just dig you up again and have a look? Oh, that'd be fantastic. I don't think it's... Nice to be thought of. It's not horrific.

You'd have to be like, well, that's nice, isn't it? Yeah. Oh, good to be remembered. Good to be thought of. Totally. Yeah, like every few decades. It's like getting a Christmas car from someone you'd forgotten your friend. It's like, oh, well, that's nice.

That's nice. Nice to be thought of. And every few decades, they give you a mustache a new comb. Yeah. Fresh oil. Yeah. With mercury, hopefully. So after it, his death, Kepler continued to work on the,

the New Star Catalogue and finally published it in 1627 as the Rudolfine tables. The doc writes, these were by far the most accurate astronomical data tables ever published with planetary data, like we said before, for 100 and 6 star positions. Kepler also went on to use Tico's data to develop his own revolutionary laws of planetary motion, and Kepler's work in turn paved the way for Sir Isaac Newton's law. of universal gravitation. It was like a direct line between those three. So without Tico, Isaac Newton, some of his biggest work wouldn't have been possible.

Yeah. So weird unit, Tico, but, you know, the world would be different if it wasn't for him. And I honestly think there's not enough of that sort of eccentricity. I mean, I'm really just talking about Jep and the Yelk. I'm like, what? Let's make our story is a bit more interesting. You've got a little hunch that you might enjoy having an elk around. Get a bloody elk.

Get a bloody elk. You're of noble blood. Get yourself the elk. If someone offers an elk. Don't self-sensor. Come on. If you're offered an elk, take the elk. Take the elk.

Just maybe keep it away from the stairs. Or don't. Up to you. If that elk had survived, would we be talking about the elk? I don't know if we would. I mean, a drunken elk is something. Also, it's obviously an animal. animal cruelty and whatever.

Don't get your elk drunk. But 500 years ago, come on. I'm having fun with it. In my head, I'm picturing, you know, bullwinkle basically, though. So that probably makes a little easier. Or Rocky, depending on which one's which. Which one was which? Of Tico, Kepler later wrote, kind of glowing terms,

in Tico Brahe, divine goodness gave us the most careful observer, establishing an error of eight arc minutes in the Ptolemaic calculation. These eight arc minutes could not be ignored. They formed a great part of the work which led to a total reformation of astronomy. It's like an accuracy of the measurements. So yeah, basically saying he changed the game. Finally, Wilkins writes... I mean, that's how he went on record.

We know it was an all back glowing. Yeah, I think there are definitely our people who, didn't like him that much. Yeah. But I think, yeah, I'm not super surprised. But, yeah, Kepler, people, yeah, people are still, I mean, there was a book in 2004. Was it Kepler or, yeah, the theory that Kepler killed him is still kind of prevalent, even though it seems like it was debunked by that exhumation, but maybe that's what they,

maybe those scientists who did that were Kepler, Kepler fanatics, you know what I mean, covering the true story. Yeah, you can present the data however you want. Yeah. Or for our US listeners data. Finally, Wilkins writes, Tico's death opened up in one burst all the data he had hoarded and Kepler was able to move astrophysics far further with that information than he likely could have working with a still living Tico Brahe.

For all his astronomical genius, Tico might have done more for his chosen field in death than he did in life. It's remarkable, really. If he really was murdered because of an illicit affair with the Queen of Denmark, then his larger than life tendencies and runaway libido might well have been responsible for both the science of astrophysics and the greatest work of English literature. Hamlet. Not bad for a guy with a fake nose and a drunken elk. That is my story on Tico Brahe.

Wow. What a guy. Do we clap at the end? I think it's nice. Yeah, I think it's nice. You've definitely added a more positive spin to what Jess would normally do. She'd say something like, well, thank God that's over. No, she's doing, she's doing fine if anyone's worried.

She's so fun. She's so fun. Wow, what a story. I've never heard of that guy. And it is interesting that, yeah, the people I have heard of, I've been very influenced by you. Yes. And it does, like, those things, it's like, where's the movie?

You can see, like, a Johnny Depp sort of quirky character. He's like the pixies of astronomy. Yeah. You know, where like everyone's. The mud honey. Yeah, the pig. Oh, the mud honey, you reckon that's a better call? I don't.

Well, I was just trying to add another name. Yeah. But that were two of the ones that really influenced Nirvana, aren't they? Mm-hmm. I think so. But not just, like, not just Nirvana. The pixies were. Oh, well, they...

I just feel like everyone was like... They said like the quiet, loud, quiet or whatever, verse chorus first. Isn't that? Is that the thing that? They changed? I think so. Dave, he's the music nerd. Not about this bit.

But also, yeah. I choose, I choose not to know. But yeah, very influential on more famous people. And it is, but great that he's also got the hook that we still talk about him because he may have exploded his own blood, and killed him as slash elk. Yeah, who would play him? Oh, great. I think Johnny, does Johnny, is he still out? Can we please not?

Yeah. I mean, just let's not. He would have been who I would have said 10 years ago, but I don't think he could pull it off anymore. Well, yeah, also, it's a bit, we're just, we've, we've, we're sort of learnt about, like, you could take different sides in it, but we've learned he's got a bit of ick. Oh, yeah, no doubt. No doubt about that.

Let's, let's not do, let's not give him any more work. I think, you know, you know, the reason it was in my mind, it's because Jep is like a mush-down version of Johnny Depp. Yes. I think that was why it was in my... That's what you thought. I even think, I even think DiCaprio might be too old for him. Yeah.

And also, to be honest, a little bit of ick. But, um, only, it'll tannie. No, there's no ick. I take, I'll, don't know. Please don't put me on the record saying that. There's a bit of it. He's the guy, isn't he the guy that won't date anyone over 21? 27, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, 27. What about, he has a rule, it's like, if, if, uh, you live beyond Kirk Cobain, I can't, I can't look at you. Yeah, that's it. But you could, like, an earlier, DeCabreux. Caprio could definitely do this guy. Considering this guy died at 54, though, I feel like DiCaprio's already.

Yeah, you want someone who's like probably 30s. You want to play down and up. Yeah, the new, new Willie Wonka. Timothy's Chalemey. Yeah, that's true. I guess you could put Charlemai in it. He's in everything, but by the time this movie comes out, people are going to be sick of him. Shalemate's too elfin for this guy.

This guy needs. He could play Jep. He's the Jep. He's the Jep. I'm thinking of it. I'm thinking of Jep. Yes. Or he could play Christian.

Is it his son? Oh, yes. He could play that guy. That's true. He's the Christian. If he'd turn up for the non-lead role, which I think Shalemae is such a good actor, he 100% would. Okay. You can't pose this question and then not answer it.

Or is it better to leave it unanswered and people can just get in touch. Let us know who plays Tico Brahe. I'll do it. Could it be Sam. Could it be Sam Worthington. We know what he looks like. Oh, Sam Worthington. That's fun, isn't it?

it. Okay, doing it with an Aussie accent. Who looks like this guy? No, Sash Worthington can do all the accents. Not when he auditioned for James Bond. Very funny video. Oh, really? Ozzy Bond.

Thank you. Oh, but yeah, Matt, it could be you. It could be you. James Bond. Oh, yeah, okay. I'll cut you. We did it. I'll put my hand up.

We did it. Hey, we'll save money on the fake mustache department. But a lot of money spent on the brass nose. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. And not like, like, uh, like I've done the past. Can I take, you know, do you need this wardrobe back? Got a great pair of shoes from a catering show.

I'll be taking the Zimmerman Velvet Cape and this brass nose, thank you. I've got the logies to attend. Not the catering show, the gal, get cracking. Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, but after get cracking, there was that, there was that amazing hallway sale of all the, get cracking up. Yeah, you went down to ABC Level 4 and they'd put everything out. I got a dog bowl. I got some bunting.

I got a jacket in a size eight girls for one of my kids. I got like there was so much. It was just every single thing that had been on. I want to be on this mailing list. You're on Zimmerman, ABC sales. I was there's something else. I can't remember what I was going in for to the ABC. It may have been Pineapple Project time when I was doing that podcast about money.

And so I was very thrifty. And I was like, well, I must take up. But it was like everything was a couple of bucks. Every year or a couple of years of the project would clear out the wardrobe. Oh, that was so good. I've got about eight of Walid's ties. Yeah. And they're still to charity with two bucks a tie.

Oh, everyone's a winner. Yeah, it was so good, except that the project, it was like, Carrie Bickmore is like two sizes too small, you know, like way smaller than me. So everything was really too small. It was very, it was so frustrating. You'd just be like, look at all these fancy clothes. Yeah. So I just bought some of Walid's ties too.

They're great. It's been an absolute pleasure. I finally have you on the show. Have you been on book cheat? No, I'd love to have you on bookcheet. I was going to say maybe. You've been on... We've got to get you on all the show.

You're a regular on who knew it though and always a fan favourite. It's so good to finally have you on Do Go On. This is the older of the podcast network shows, obviously. That's why it's called Do Go on Media, I guess. What are the chances. Got naming rights. But apart from Edinburgh, which I know we've got a bunch of listeners over in the UK who go up for it.

I'd love, are you cool with that, people posing with you for a photo after? In Edinburgh. In Edinburgh. A hundred percent. Get photos and. And if you do come along and I'm like, anyone having a birthday this weekend,

say yes, because I give you a present at the end. Oh. If it was, right, don't be, commit to the bit. Don't be shy about it. Also, if you're in Melbourne, I am doing a, I'm filming my special

on the 5th of September. There's not many tickets left, but let's sell this out. Where could it be? But here underneath our feet. All you've got to do is fall down the stairs. You'll be in the Humdinger Studios on September 5th. That's where I'm filming it.

Awesome. Dave Thornton's doing the one after me. So you can actually make a night of two specials, which is a night of two specials, which is the best of nights. That sounds great. I'm going to sneak in. Could you please? I'm so sorry I haven't officially invited you yet.

But yeah, please sneak in because I might not have any. seats left. Yeah, yeah, I'll stand at the back. Just bring your own chair. I'll put one of those headsets on that the other crew have and pretend if it won't be plugged in, but yeah, zoom in in. Zoom in here. Not actually for real, if you want to come in, I'll get it.

I'll put your name on a seat. I'll sit behind the screens. And listen. Woo! You're just hearing this really off-putting solo woo from the back. Yes, oh, that's amazing. So yeah, go check out Claire in Edinburgh or in Melbourne. And yeah, if you get a photo with it, definitely tag us in the post.

We'd love to see it. Yeah, please. Love to see it. Let's find out if this did any good. Yeah. Please, make us look good. Come on. Please.

Come on. We need this. Please. Well, as we say goodbye to Claire, we say hello to everyone's favorite section of the show where we thank some of our great supporters who are patrons who have signed up at patreon.com slash do go on. Is that right, Dave? That's absolutely correct, Matt. And if you do that, which you are welcome to do, we will not stop your ring.

In fact, I think we encourage you to do that. Yeah, I'd so bad. If you do do that, you'll be able to get, depending on the level you sign up to, all sorts of different things, including videos of the episodes. You might even be watching us right now. I'm waving. You get ad-free feed. You get shout-outs. You get to vote on topics.

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What the heck? Maybe we'll do a stretch goal that says we'll fill in even those Sundays if people want it. We won't be stopped. We won't be stopped unless people want us to stop. Hey, we can be stopped. Where people pleases. But the first thing we normally do in this Patreon section of the show where we're really, it's just, we like to spend 20 plus minutes, sometimes 45 plus minutes, thanking and showing our appreciation.

Because without our supporters, this show, just would cease to exist. That's right. We wouldn't be here. So the first people we like to talk about people in the Sydney-Schenberg level. And if you're on the Sydney-Shineberg level, we get to give us a factor quota or a question or a brag or a suggestion or really whatever you like. And then I read them out. Couldn't be more simple. It could not be more simple. There's never been a better time. Yes. Tony Martin's favorite when he used to write ad copy for radio things. He's like, that was just the go-to. And once I heard him talk about that, on You hear it all the time.

There's never been a better time to clean your carpet. Don't put it off. Act now. It's like they're trying to be like hypnotising. All right. So first up, we've got Nicholas Guy Hall, aka official poop master of the pod. They all get to give themselves a title. It's good to be in charge.

It is good. Show that poop is boss. We, yeah, that position had been vacant for some time. So it's good to have someone in there. We had lots of people like, I mean, and interview, audition. so to speak, but they just weren't... They weren't Nicholas Guy whole level. Now, Nicholas has a question writing.

Greetus, greetest. Okay, he didn't write that. Okay. I've merged the first three words together in an effort to be speedy. Okay, what are those three? Greetings, my closest. Greetest. Greedest.

Which is, sometimes I think about my brain and marvel. I think what is it doing? Wow, we always. How did it think that was going to help? Greedest. Greetest. Greetings my personal, greetings my closest personal friends and deepest confidants. I come to you all with a question.

Animation has always been a keen interest of mine when at about the age of seven or so while watching The Simpsons, I had the sudden realization that in order to create the show, each individual frame had to be hand drawn. At that point, I became obsessed with animation and wanted to make my own cartoons. Unfortunately, I'm both lazy and not great at drawing. Still animation means a lot to me, and I would say about 95% of TV shows that I consume are animated.

That being said, my favourite cartoon show of all time is Avatar, the Last Airbender. The world building storyline, character writing themes, etc. A top notch, and it deserves its place in pop culture as one of the most beloved cartoons of all time. In brackets, in America anyways, close brackets, full stop. That being said, barring the Simpsons, what would you say? say are your favorite cartoon, open bracket, close bracket, question mark, cartoon or cartoons.

I think Barring the Simpsons is clever. Yes, that's good, because that would have been the number one. I like how many, was I, I think there were at least a couple of that being saids in this paragraph, which I like. I like just starting every sentence of a paragraph. That being said, every sentence is slightly contradicting the last. Well, that being said, on the other hand,

Um, great, quick, future armor I love, which is obviously, very similar, right. Uh, yeah, almost a direct, like the same team, basically, or a similar team. What else? I mean, growing up, I loved cartoons. I loved Angry Beavers. Did you ever watch that on Nickelodeon? No. Love, love, still love the Angry Beavers.

Uh, I liked, um. Roger Ramjet. I loved all those ABC Australian broadcast. and ABC, interstitial cartoons that were played, like little five-minute shorts. But, yeah, I loved all sorts of cartoons. Oh, Captain Planet was a big one. Number one as a kid. Which I think is, is that another one like the nanny that is oddly big in Australia?

Is that? I'm not sure. Because looking back, like, people talk about, oh, the world's gone woke. That is like the most, like, lay it on thick, environmental, wokey sort of. And the cast was stacked. I was created by Ted Turner, the CNN guy. Absolutely loved it so much. But it's just funny to me, people, if that was made now, people are like,

oh, people from around the world working together to help the environment. But at the time, I don't remember, I mean, I was a kid, maybe people were talking like that. Dragon Bowl Z and Pokemon were must watchers in sort of grade four, five, six before school and my era. Danger Mouse. Oh, yeah, Danger Mouse is fun. Danger Mouse. Da-na-da-da-da-da. Oh, Super Ted.

Remember that? Yeah, Super Ted, that's good. A banana man? Banana man I loved, yeah, when Eric ate a banana. I also loved... I did a primates about Banana Man. Some other cartoon network ones I liked. What are that?

Swat cats. I loved... Samurai pizza cats? Centurians. Oh, we've got to say Teenage Mutton into Turtles. Oh, yeah, that's a big one. That's still good to watch. Voltron.

That was sort of like a precursor of Power Rangers. I had a Voltron toy from my older car. dozen. X-Men 97's a newish one, which apparently is really good. Like, I guess it's, I don't know, it's following on a continuity from 97 or something. I liked the cartoon in the 90s. Rick and Morty? It's that, I know that's probably become a bit of a, of a sort of a, I think that

divides opinion now, but I'd. I never watched it. I think that by the time I got round to it, maybe people were talking about it in a negative way. Yeah, like a... What do you call? Like a... What are the Selly boys called again? Selly boys?

Selly boys. Selly boys. You know, the basement boys. Oh, yes, I know what you're saying? She's what are those guys called? Yeah. Something sell. In sale.

In sale. Maybe. I don't know. The Selly boys. The Selly boys. Because I think it's sort of... I mean, it feels more like it's taking the piss out of that. So it's more, I know.

Man, this is going to be annoying some people. I apologize. Yeah, but... AJ added it to make me and Dave sound really cool. Yeah, thank you. Thank you so much. This episode just got a lot shorter. But yeah, so many classic ones from my childhood that I...

Oh, Harvey Birdman, attorney at law. That's good. That's right up there. I love that. Oh, I also like C-Lab 2021, which is also Adult Swim where they dubbed an old show, C-Lab. Oh, fun. Remade it.

Very funny. Too many dimension. Duck Tales. That was great. Woo! Secret Squirrel. Have I said that correctly? I don't know.

Secret Squirrel. Secret Squirrel. Man, that's another American word that they improved. I'd probably had first anyway. Squirrel's way better than squirrel. Squirrel away some cash. Squirrel away some cash. Come on.

Squirrel like swirl. I love it. Anyway, there's a bunch of, I'm sure I'm missing out heaps of them, but like the... Great question, Nicholas. Hey, Nicholas, if you're in the Facebook group, definitely ask that question in there and see, I'd love to see what I'd like, because there'd be a million that I'm forgetting. Yeah. But yeah, I'm like you.

I've loved a lot of cartoons over the years. There was one, there was a show called Happy Tree Friends. That's when I first saw Harvey Birdman and Tony Law. It was like an SBS packaged up all these sort of shorter cartoons, maybe in the Nauts somewhere. Orts, Nauts. And it was called Happy Tree Friends and Friends. And it had like Harvey Birdman and other things in that. Yeah.

That was a great package of different quirky shows. Thank you so much, Nicholas. The next one comes from Jordan Nassie, aka Poutine Captain of America. Oh, my God. Poutine Captain of Canada. Oh. Almost faux part that one, big time.

The Poutine Captain of America is still available if people want to reply for. That's right. Now, Jordan is writing under Fet Quarter Question, etc. Just some things and a recommendation. Oh. writing, you're coming to Canada. True, next month, September 2026. Whoop, whoop.

Honestly, I thought I'd have to go to Australia to see your live, which I was fine with, but now I get to save money. Yay! There's a lot of exclamation marks. Woo! Question marks. While you're here, Calgary, well, Calgary is, some people are starting to call it.

You should try Village Brewery. Okay, this is the kind of tip I need. It's really close to the venue. They have great beer. and I'll buy the drinks. I love every element of that. Yes, you do. I mean, great beer.

That was enough. But close to the venue and you're buying the drinks? What? Jordan. Is this the best day of mass life? I'll see you there. Yeah, I'm a tight ass. That's not true.

Who's very lazy? Don't get that word out. I'm a very unlazy, loose. You're also unorganized. All right, maybe some of it's true. Also, you should have some putteen. Professor Poutine here with Mysteries histories. Oh yes, a guy on Instagram we both follow.

And yeah, I don't really know what Poutine is. Is that cheese curds on chips? With gravy as well. Okay, I know what Poutine is. But people have opinions about whether the original, like, I've already heard from other Petron's people that, hey, you've got to go to, I think the Kibakwa. Well, Jordan's not done.

Okay. So maybe there's going to be some of that here. Jordan says Costco Poutine never fails. Costco Poutine. I was at Sanspans recently and they got Costco pizzas. What is Costco? I've never been to one. Is it?

I just thought they were like mega-pats of stuff. And is it a big pizza? Yeah, it was a huge. Too big to fit in the oven so you couldn't take it? Yeah, yeah. It was like, they were like New York slices but in a full pizza. Wow. Costco Poutine never fails.

You just have to go in the exit. The Calgary Tower is cool, but expensive to go up. Peter's drive-in is the. the oldest restaurant in the city. The burgers are fine, but the milkshakes are amazing. Future Report topic, Eddie the Eagle, competed here in 1988. I love that. Hugh Jackman in the film about that. And you can go see the ski jumps if you'd like at Canada Olympic Park. They have things to do year round. My favorite place is the military museums. It's one museum. You can go to Adelves. It's a cool German store.

Anyways, I'm excited for you to come to the city. I was born and raised in. Me too. Go the flames. Me too. Very excited. I keep forgetting that's happening. It still doesn't really feel real to me.

It's real that we're going to Calgary. I'm so excited. Yes, I've been excited. I know it's not Stampede time of the year, which is still on the bucket list. But just to go to Calgary at all, I'm very excited about. Probably better for our accommodation, too, I reckon. Oh, it's certainly better for, yeah, and yeah, just being able to get flights and everything. Final one this week comes from Harrison Kirby, aka Sleepy, Sleepy. Oh, so sleepy guy.

Hey, I've got that title. Harrison has a question writing, oh, it's a short one, no answer. So we're going to have to think about this all in our own day. Okay. What's your favorite thing that one of the other hosts introduced you to? Oh, okay. Straight up for me, Nick Cave. Introduced to me by Matt Stewart.

Black hair. Like a guy I was obviously very aware of is like a cult figure in Australian music, but I just never had properly given him a go before. I was just playing Dave before this song from Beasards and Rarities where he sings about a woman with black hair. Every line mentions her black, black hair. Like it's like what I love about it, a lot of his songs. Well, like there's few ones that you're like, this is a parody of yourself.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, yeah. That's a good one. All right, Dave, can you help me with this? My brain is fading. I mean, Baby I'm Burning by Dolly Parton is a song that Jess introduced me to. I've never heard before, but I love that song now. I love that song too.

It's an old timer. From Jess. Who's fine? Oh, Jess is fine if you're worried. Don't. If you're worried. Yeah, you've introduced me to music, Dave. I mean, the love of pies.

I probably didn't pay pies much attention. for you. Yes. And it is great to when we tour to go get a pie. The other thing I love doing with you, when we tour, we normally have at least one night at an Italian restaurant where we feel like fancy people. Oh my God, love that.

Love that fancy little night out. Yeah. Oh, this table has a cloth on it. Yeah. Oh, rag, whatever. But it's fancy. But what's a band you've introduced me to? Hmm.

I mean, on the, Canadian music episode recently. Alexis on Fire, you said maybe were your favorite band or one of your couple of favorite bands all the time? Yeah, they're my top three, yeah. Yeah, I've listened to them a bit and they're really great. We did have to counten down our favorite Canadian songs.

To celebrate the tour on our Patreon. I need a bit more time with them. We have a chance to see them live? Do they play? Yeah, they come to Australia. I saw them maybe 12 months ago. And what about moving? What's one of the movies?

Oh, with Nell and I, you chose the movie card. Oh, with Nell and I, that's true. I loved. Jess has introduced me to a couple of rom-coms through her love of rom-coms that I've given, like, a much bigger go. And that is always fun. Oh, you know, what's the location, location, location, but not that one. One of those shows where they buy houses overseas, Jess has introduced me to that. Now, if that's on, I will watch that.

Yeah. Nine life. What a channel. We'll watch episode after episode together, and I appreciate that. Yeah. I think also Jess has kept my love of Skittles going. Oh, yeah. I probably would have had one in years before.

She's a big Skittled head. Because people give them to her and she shares the bag. I'm into it. Yeah, Jess is very generous with the bag. Yeah, some people won't. They'll tightly guard the bag for yourself. Yeah, they won't even tell you got the bag. But Jess chops out the bag.

Yeah, she actually is often like, please have like something. Please take some of the bag. I'll have it all, otherwise. Great question. Thank you so much. And I think we've not improved Jess's life in any way. No, I don't know what Jess. Made it worse. We try.

And she's like, I've already got a better option than that. She's like pies, I like pasties. Damn it. Nick Cave. She's like, I like Nick Cage. She's always one step ahead. Thank you so much to Harrison, Jordan and Nicholas for those great facts, quotes, and questions. If you want to be involved in that, Sydney-Shineberg level.

and if you're on the Sydney-Shaunberg level and you don't know how to get them into me, damn me on Patreon or if you want to know where your shout out is or anything like that, feel free, there's absolutely no pressure, you don't have to apologise,

happy to do it, damn me on the Patreon if you have any questions about anything really. You know, mainly Patreon and Deacon-Related, but, you know, I could help out another thing sometimes. Yeah, like a recommendation for a restaurant. Yeah.

In a city you don't live in. Italian. Yeah. Just Google Italian. Yeah. The next thing was, like to do is shout out to some of our other great Patreon supporters. These are newer ones have signed up recently. Just normally comes up with a game. Now, Dave, what do we do here?

So this guy lost a bit of his nose. He has a beautiful mustache. Could it be like what he got into a jewel over? Because this guy got in a jewel over maths. Okay, yeah, yeah, that's a good one. What seemingly non- How would you describe maths in terms of being a motivation for a fight to the death? Like this non-infuriating, like so basic, who cares? Yes. Do you reckon you got nine of those?

Yeah. All right, I'm going to give you a name and a place, but not in that order. Yeah. And then you can give us the reason that they're going to fight to the death. To the death. All right. from Bangalore in India.

Oh, very cool to have an Indian patron supporter here. Thank you so much. Aaron Venkatrim. Aaron Venkatrim. Now, Aaron is challenging someone to a duel because they were disagreeing violently about what's the best Pokemon to start off with in Pokemon red or blue.

Should you go Squirtle, Bulbazar or Charmielian? All right. So this is like water style. or whatever. Yeah, like if you're going with... While you're Googling that, I just remember... It's not charming.

It was the one before it. The block poll is open for this year. So while you can look that up, I can tell people, yeah, if you... You can either go to the Bitley link. We've got Bitley slash all caps block 2026. Yeah. Or you can find it in our link tree and our social media

that lets us do those sort of posts. But let's have the address one more time. Bit. slash capital B-L-O-C-K, all caps, 2-0-6. And the Lees. Dot L-Y. Dot L-Y. That's right. People aren't a bitly familiar.

Also, my bad boy special. My new comedy special is out now on the Humdinger Channel. Check it out. I was released on Saturday, just gone. Wow. I'd love you to get on there. I already hearing big things. Go on there, comment, like it.

It helps, you know, help feed the algorithm type stuff. I've got to tell you that there is Oscars buzz. Is there really? Yeah. And the Oscar, is it no, not Oscars, I'm thinking, maybe it's the Grammys that seems to have, or it's got its real finger on the pulse. I think maybe Louis C.K. won it last year.

Riquet is the year before. Yeah, new hot up-and-comers. Yeah, yeah. Who are just like the, you know, the next big thing. Yes. Sorry, it's Charmander, of course. I'm so sorry. A Pokemon fan is going to challenge me now to a duel,

but Aaron is finding something to the death over what Pokemon to pick Charmander. Bulbosaurus Squirtle. And I've just double-checked the pronunciation. Venkatram. Great name. Aaron Venkatram. Love that.

From Pangalore. So cool. Next up from Cremorn in, not the Melbourne one. There's a New South Wales Cremor. I love to hear that. Thank you so much. And welcome to our supporter group. We love you.

Anna Maria. Anna Maria is getting into a fight to the death or the challenge on to a duel. because they've just bought a bunch of chicken nuggets from McDonald's. And Anna wanted to get sweet and sour sauce, but also like an a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a. But the person they were with just wanted two sweet-and-sours. Anna Maria. And it turns out if you get between her friend and their sweet-and-sour, they get pretty sour.

Oh, yes. Yeah, no, that's right on the edge of a worthy duel. Now, I didn't say, I feel like if I've said, I love you to Anna, I've got to do it for all. I love you, Aaron, as well. And our next supporters from address, I know we're assuming from deep

within the fortress of the malls, they also haven't given us an email address. So really, very little to go on. But thank you so much to KD. Can I only assume this is Kevin Durant, the NBA legend. Not KD Lang, okay.

It could be Lang. Could be. Canadians own. Okay. Canadians own. KD is just telling us, Someone's very close to them in their life, the person they live with. Oh.

Because they didn't notice that Katie got a haircut. Oh. It's been three days. Not one mention. Not a single mention. Katie, we are sorry, because we think it looks fantastic. Oh, my goodness. And it looks very different.

It looks super. It's fantastic. One of the greatest haircuts. Oh, okay. I haven't done a trump in a while. Did I happen? You know, when your subconscious sort of works on things? Yeah.

Has it improved? Fantastic haircut, KD. It took me four lines before I knew what you were doing. Really fantastic. Well, I think me too. I didn't realize. It was sort of felt fun. I don't know, oh, is it fun?

It's sort of, you know, it's a funny voice. Whether or not it's a funny, I don't know. Really great stuff. No, it is. It's not good. No. Okay. Well, you know, I'll put it back away and have another go.

in the future. Thank you. Next up from Berlin in Deutschland. Thank you so much and welcome in coffee studies. Now, it's rare for someone to challenge an inanimate object to a jewel, but coffee studies obviously isn't just a normal person. They're coffee studies, or one word. They challenged the being.

Coffee study. They've challenged a vending machine where the packet of chips or crisps dropped, but then got stuck halfway through and no matter how many times they shook it, punched it, karate, top of the machine, it's stuck. So you know what? Challenge the to a duel. So coffee studies slapped it with a glove. A demand satisfaction and chips. And we wish you all the best. I think each one of these is getting more and more logical to me. Thank you. Crack that thing, open coffee. Next up another address unknown, deep within the fortress of the Moles. Please, and thank you very much to our new supporter, Rachel Alquist.

Alquist. Thank you so much, Rachel. We appreciate you for supporting the show. And Rachel has taken a trip to the zoo where they've challenged a gorilla to a duel after the gorilla through shit at Rachel. Oh, yeah, again, absolutely worthy. Take down that, eh? Take it down. Take it down.

We're talking swords. Yeah. Swords at a dawn. Oh, they might have more muscle. fibres or whatever they have that's better than ours, but I don't think they have that sort of prancey, sort of backwards and forwards fencing thing. Exactly.

Yeah. Yeah. Hey, hop. I'm over here. I'm up, I'm up, chop, chop. E.P. How do you say,

how do you say that word? Epe. Epe. Because it's always in crosswords, but I've never heard anyone say, Epe. I guess it's like they're like, I need a lot of ease in this.

Yeah. Next up, thank you so much from Lewisham. or Lewisham or Lewisham in New South Wales here in Australia, Joyita, Chowdry. Now, this one's a little bit embarrassing for Jirida because they mistook road rage. Well, they mistook just like something that was spent to be friendly as road rage. Someone gave them the bit, pip, because the lighter turned green. Like, just you missed it.

It's okay, you can go, but Drita thought that they were really taking him to town. So they've pulled out the sword at the traffic light. Oh, slashed the tires. Yeah, and the person's going, whoa, no, it's okay. We just want to keep going. Joyita's like seeing red. Yeah, which is ironic because it was green. Yeah.

Thank you so much to Joyita and Joy in the name, not in the nature apparently. From Ballarat, home of Plaga Lockett and Spud Frawley. Really? And actually, I was there last week once this comes out. So maybe I saw you there, Test J. Test J. Speaking of Ballarat, went to the Sovereign Hill Gifts shop, and thought the prices were pretty ridiculous.

They wanted to buy a little plushy, little gold bar with a face on it. And it was going to be $55, and they didn't think it was worth it. So they challenged the poor cashier behind the counter to a duel. They've panicked and left the shop. To the Jets. Now Tessa, or Tess is absolutely free to just walk out with that gold bar. Santa Claus rules. Tess now has to run the shop.

Yeah. Sorry, Tess. You've obviously lost a gold bar, but gained a job. Yeah. So here you go. And yeah, if you work here for another few weeks, you'll be able to afford that gold bar plushy. I was about to plug the Ballarat show, but this is in the future. Oh, great.

But it went well. Oh, it went fantastic. Ballarat Cat Comedy. I think it's a monthly room. I won't be it the next one. Get down. But get down. Someone good will be there.

Yeah. As if they wouldn't. Yeah. Why wouldn't they? Yeah. From address unknown, again, assuming from deep within the fortress of the malls, based on email address. I reckon their surname starts with W, but I don't know for sure.

All I know is their name is Nathan. Nathan has absolutely taken to town. The staff, a lot of staff getting yelled at him. I'm sorry. The chef at the All You Can Eat Breakfast Buffet at the Hilton Hotel, wherever they live, in the fortress. They've told Nathan after eating 52 flapjacks that they're out of pancake mix. But Nathan's just saying, it's just flour eggs and water, buddy.

Make some more. And they've said, we're out of. eggs or out of flour, out of water. Nathan's like, I want to come back to the kitchen and check. And they say, Nathan, you can't come back here. It's an occupational risk. But Nathan has pulled out the sword and is demanding either some pancakes or to see the kitchen.

I demand pancakes or satisfaction. Unfortunately, they've challenged someone who has access to a plethora of knives. Oh, yeah. So it's not as easy as they thought. Yeah. And there's EPI. Can you say it again? Epe.

Epe. They got like a little knob at the end? Yeah. Can you kill with an epi? Question without notice. Probably in the past, the ones they're based on, but you wouldn't be able to kill, especially if you're wearing all that fancy uniform. Why, they dress as beekeepers?

Why is this going on out there? Just to add a degree of difficulty? And finally, from Doncaster in Yorkshire in Great Britain, thank you so much for your support, Thomas Beresford. Thomas Beresford. Makes me think of Ferrisford, Ferris wheel. Oh, I was thinking Herriford Cows. Okay, well, you think they challenged a cow to a jewel?

Well, I was wondering if they had challenged a cow to a ferris wheel. Oh, okay. Who lasts the longest last one touching the ferris wheel. Wends the car. Yeah. Win's the jewel? And then to... And this jewel is a literal diamond.

Oh, wins the jewel. Win's the jewel. And the runner up gets a copy of Jules' latest album. That's right. And, you know, a free long ride on a ferris wheel. Yeah, pretty good. Pretty good for a cow. That's runners up.

Yeah, gosh. The cow bolts real early, but gets a beautiful, you know, is enjoying the beautiful sounds of... I can't think of a single lyric to one of our songs. Lose hands are more. Yeah, no shit, Jules. Yeah. We've all got, well, not everyone, but, you know, obviously the ones at the end of your arms. Okay, exactly, yes.

We can all see your... Well, not every I can say, okay, I really patting myself on a corner here, Jill. I understand the lyrics on. That's how Jules gets you. I understand. That's how Jules. You can't challenge her. You can't. You can't.

She's too good. She's untouchable. Thank you so much to Thomas, Nathan Tess, Joyita, Rachel, Coffey, KD, Anna and Aaron. And the last thing we need to do is welcome some people in the Triptage Club. There's no one in the Triple Triptage Club this week, Dave. But there are some inductees into the Triptage Club. What is the Triptage Club? What's going on?

This is our Hall of Fame slash Clubhouse to entry and people who have been supported the show for three consecutive years. They've never, they've stayed true. They've, you know, they'll stay with us. And they have stayed with us and do that. We've put their name up in lights on our clubhouse, which is Theatre at the Martin Star. But once you're in, you can never leave.

Why would you want to? We've got everything you need to sustain life and also have a good life. Mm, big time. A good life. We've got these hands. They are our own. They're not yours. They're not yours.

We have to go through this for some reason. It's on the fine print, if you read up on it. But yeah, we've got a few inductees this week. Now, what else we need to? You book a band. I'll be Jasper on the bar this week. Yes. The Tico Brahe cocktail, it's a Danish type liqueur.

We've got Danish vodka and little Danish is on the side, sweet and savory. Oh, do you have a, I love this, that chocolate milk caccio. Yeah, we've got a chocolate milk cotchio. If I'm saying that correctly, and anyway, C-O-C-I, I've been to Denmark and drunk liters of it. It's so weird. Yeah, we got that with vodka and, oh, it's already our colleague. Well, you know, we could have, and we got a virgin one as well, which Dave is looking after.

Laters. And Dave, you've got a book to band. Oh, you're never going to believe it. Oh, I couldn't I believe when you announced that this is a, Danish topic. I couldn't believe my luck. Because RSVP just this morning, we've got Michael learns to rock,

a Danish soft rock and pop band that achieved a massive international success across Asia. Wow. That is exciting. Michael learns to rock. There is a band called Tico Brahe. So that would have blown my mind. Really? I think this helps.

prove that you don't just make it up. Some people think that you haven't pre-booked. Like obviously, if you were doing it now, you would have gone for the namesake of the topic. I might try and get them next week. Yeah, exactly. Or maybe next year, depending on the schedule. And, yeah, emails back and forth. Yeah.

Anyway, that's really exciting. I hope by the time they play, they have learnt to rock. And it's just Michael. They've had it since 1980. to get it together. I believe they can. I've read, they've done it.

Learn to rock. So I've got seven inductees this week, Dave. Are you ready? Because you're up on stage. You're the MC. It's a bit of the mind stuff here. We've got, you know, 1,100 plus people in there. Cheering.

They're all cheering, revving up the new people. I'm on the door. I've got the guest list. I'm going to read out the place and name of the inductees into the triptage club. Dave's going to hype up the crowd with some weak word play based on your name or where you're from. and we'll all just, you know, get right into it. I was going to say, you're going to give me the support that gesture to do.

I'll give you support. I think everything you do is fantastic. First up, say it like you mean. If you hear, your name come on in. Okay. And grab yourself a Chokio and a Danish. Sweet or savory. First up from Towson or Tosin in MD.

I can never remember it. Oregon, Maryland. It's got to be Maryland. In the U.S. Welcome in Samantha, Sievering. You the DeManta, Sievering. Yeah, receivoring our blessings. That's pretty good.

From Colorado Springs in Colorado, also in the United States. Welcome into the club, Joanna Nelson. I've got someone to tell you, son. Yeah. You're my favorite now, son. We don't need to rendon you anything, but okay, render. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I try to go again and it wasn't.

What about rent out of 10? Ran out of 10. Every time. Every time. Every time. From Bloomington, Indiana. I reckon these people were signing up maybe to get some Canadian live ticket discounts with all these North Americans in a row. They can still get 10% off tickets.

And I'm really excited. I hope that's case. I would be loved to see you there from Bloomington in Indiana. Oh my God, God's country itself right next door to God's country itself Ohio, I believe, and home of Gary. But not Gary. In this case, it's Bloomington. Please welcome in Donna Kay Zeber. I Bloomington love you.

Amazing. And I just realized that these people signed up three years ago. So it certainly wasn't for the Canadian. So this is pure coincidence. That's right. I mean, some people just have a six cents for these things. About three years are going to tour Canada. Speaking of God. A place I'm not actually from. Speaking of God's country, Ohio, from Youngstown in Ohio. Welcome into the club, Michael Brown. Let's paint the Youngstown Brown.

Michael Brown. From some, very good, from Somerville in South Carolina, also in the United States. Welcome in Kim Elliott. Hey, it's always Somerville when Kim Elliott's here. Oh, fantastic. Little Kim, big in our hearts. Oh, that's good. That's really good.

From Rhodes Corner in Nova Scotia, in Canada. Welcome in Jen Maister. I consider you the Colossus of Rhodes Corner. The Colossus of Rose being one of the ancient. seven wonders of the world. Yeah. Yeah. If there's a meister wrong,

Jen is Mr. right. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I'm just taking the chance while Jess isn't here to have a go. Yeah.

Because I think it's really fun, but Jess does not like me getting involved. Yeah, because you're so negative about me. I know, but that's a bit about you. But maybe, yeah, maybe that doesn't chance.

She worries about me. She does worry about you. Jen out of 10 as well. And finally, from Sunbury, oh, home of the Australian. Woodstock, Sunbury. Here in Victoria, Australia, it's Mia Pantalon. Oh, Pantelon pants.

You'll never pantalon anymore. You'll pant with us. You'll never pant alone. That's pretty good. Yeah, yeah. Mia, you set me freer. I feel freer with Mia. Mama Mia, here we go again.

You're the best. I mean, sometimes when you hear perfection, there's no point of going again. Welcome into the classroom. Mia, Jen, Kim, Michael Donner, Joanna and Samantha. Hopefully we see a bunch of you at the Canadian shows, whether or not that's why you got involved. That's right. I mean, you may as well.

Why not? We're coming a long way. We're sort of, there was an internet thing here called internet to the node a few years ago, which was like where they brought really good quality internet near our houses. That was very good, wasn't it? It was very good. And then, you know, and then from there to your house, from the node. it wasn't as good, which was genuinely, that changed government over that, or partially.

The government before was going to do it all the way to the house. And they're like, we can save money here by making it way worse. Anyway, we're sort of, we're bringing podcasts to the node. We're coming to Canada. You just need to travel that little bit. And yes, the government will be fired over this. Yes, and hopefully that made a lot of sense. I just love the term internet to the node.

I don't know why. Aren't it funny every time? Dave, that brings to the end of the episode. No Triple Trip Ditch Club inductees this week. But there will be soon. I'm just looking ahead. I've got a few lined up. Very excited.

That's for people who've been unbelievably on the shout-out level or above for nine straight years. But that brings us to the end of this week's episode. We could say one more time. Please go see Claire's show over in Edinburgh. Definitely have a chat with her after the show. Grab a photo. She is the coolest.

She rules. Yeah. Oh, I should also say that we said she wasn't on the book cheat episode. Oh. She's never been in a book cheat. But she has since, basically, she left the building and I was like, I'm doing one next week. And Matt's like, get Claire on. That'll come out in time.

So I mess to Claire. And yeah, we did one on an episode of Anne of Green Gables. Oh, it was so good. It was a real. And we were talking about earlier today about, or was it on that episode, I'm not sure. Yeah. But we were talking about how it's nice. to have a feel-good-shore thing when you're feeling a bit flat like I was in Edinburgh years ago.

And that episode of Book Cheat, I reckon people will save that as one to listen to when they're feeling a bit low. Because it's a real gentle energy, positive. A delightful book that we didn't shit on. I really liked it. And I think Matt and Claire got on board too. So that's a lot of fun. And also, she was on Who Knew it. So if you want, you can get a bunch of Claire this week.

She was on Who Knewit with me and Dave as well. Also, also, an addendum to this episode, I realized since recording, we were talking about, and I'm sure there's been a couple of tweets about this, the astronomer Ptolemy. Yes. No relation to Cleopatra and the Ptolemaic dynasty. Oh. It's the same name. Interesting. Oh, you rage-baiting our listeners.

I can't remember if I said that they were related or I just recognised the name from that. I think you said they were. I think you said 100% I put my life on it. Well, challenge me to a duel. I dare you. So I hope people that have listened right to the end for me to eat humble pie. Yeah, which is Dave's least favorite pie for a pie guy. It's the one pie he really tries not to eat if you can, avoid it.

Thank you so much for joining us. Dave, boot us home. Hey, we'll be back next week with another episode. And we're pleased to say that Jess Perkins will be back in the building. But until then, thank you so much for listening and goodbye. Later. That's true about Jess, isn't it? Yeah. That's true about Jess, if she survives.

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