Do Go On - 63 - James Bond

Episode Date: January 4, 2017

This week the topic is Bond (James Bond)! Matt talks us through the history of Bond, from the novels to the films... It's a bloody big topic, but Matt did his best (and it turns out that Jess and Dave are big Bond fans!) Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPod  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Melbourne and Canada, we've got exciting news for you. And we should also say this is 2026. Jess, what year is it? 2026. Thank God you're here. Right now, I'm in Melbourne doing my show with Serengy Amarna 630 each night at the Cooper's Inn Hotel, having so much fun. We'd love to see you there. Canada, we are visiting you in September this year.

If you've somehow missed the news, we are heading up Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal and Toronto for shows. That's going to be so much fun. Tickets for all this stuff, I believe, are online. And I'm here too. New Year and welcome for 2017 into Do Go On for another cracking year we hope. My name is Dave Warnicky and I'm here with the Cracken Legends that are Jess Perkins and Matt Cracken Stewart. Yeah, you're the Cracken, I'm the legend. Yeah, I've long been called Matt Cracken Stewart.

I like it. And that is Cracken K-R-A-K-E and the Monster of the Deep. Yes, the Cracken. The Monster of the Deep. Guys, it is a new year. A new us. A new ass. I am no longer Dave.

I am. Jerome. Jerome. Nice to meet you, Jerome. Well, welcome, Jerome. Thanks for being here. He's really good to have you on the pod. I have legally changed my first name to Bop now.

So. The Deep Pole came through. Yeah, yeah. It came through on December 31st at midnight. Oh, wow. So in many ways, January 1st. January 1st. So, yeah, 2017 is the year of Bop.

New Year. Hashtag year of Bob. New attitude, I hope. No. No. Well, it is new, but it's worse. Yeah. Release the Cracket.

That's got a catchphrase now. It's all happening. Yeah. Oh, it's just... My New Year's resolution was to say my catchphrase more. Oh, yeah, great. So, yeah, keep your eyes peeled for that. Can't wait.

Is it Release the Cracket? Yeah. That's what we just said. Oh, my God. His is to listen less. No, no, I just needed to confirm. Do you have any news resolutions, Dave? New Year's resolutions

Resolutions Probably should have thought of that by now, shouldn't I? Maybe in a non-funny way Be a bit more fit Okay That is not funny at all I played a Christmas It was a Christmas party

It was a cricket game Yeah sure And I actually tried pretty hard And it was fine But the next two days I felt awful Like I was so sore From cricket Exactly

Exactly. And that just made me wake up. You're not young like you used to be. Yeah, no, a similar thing happened to me. I played a pretty ruthless game of croquet. And I think I'm still hurting and that was a week ago. Pulled a hammie. Yeah. Well, I pulled a, like, what's that muscle?

What's the muscle that does that? That's not a good gesture that you're doing that to demonstrate what it is. He's doing the thing where you put the ball through the little hoop. Yeah. Croquet. He's crocane. It's my croquet muscle. That's what it is.

He pulled his croquet. I've also got another news resolution, and that is that at any possible opportunity, I'm going to release the Kraken! Oh, very good. Which sort of appears nicely with my catchphrase, actually. Yeah, it works because you can yell the catchphrase before doing the action.

Two birds. Yeah, that's great. Hey, good for you. That's smart. Doing two birds with one stone, so to speak. Very good. My news resolution once was to be able to lick my own elbow, and I can do that now, so.

That's a good news resolution. And you know how he did it, Every night, he just stretched that muscle and got closer and closer. Stretch before bed. Every single night. I've done that for four years now. This has been a while. Do you still do it?

Every night. If I don't do it, I feel terrible. I don't know how people aren't... Stretch more. That's my message. Stretch! This is the guy who was sore after playing a game with cricket. Maybe you're open stretching.

I should have stretched more. More. I think you've stretched too much. Nevertheless. Hey, anyway, let's cheers to the new years. Cheers to the New Year's. Oh, we've got beer all over the control panel. Oh dear.

Sparks are flying. No, it's great to be here. I think things are going to be really good in 2017. Looking across the world, do you think everyone's going to have a better year? Because 2016, people repeatedly talked about how bad it was. It's so funny because everyone has been talking about that all week or all year, really. I've had a great year. Me too, absolutely.

Last year was super good. It was the year of the pod. Oh, true, yeah, I guess so. We really came into our own, didn't we? I had a great, like, first night. nine or ten, not like ten months. Until you cracked a rib. Until we have had to start praying for you.

Yeah, that's true. And then just a lot of things just started to go wrong. And I was like, I'm ready for this year to be done. So I'm hoping. So now we're in a new year, how's the rib? Still, it's very sore. Woke up, much better, thank you. Yes, I'm all healed.

Ever since you've been called Bob. So I'm like, yeah. Officially. Yeah. Yeah, you're right, yeah. What? I didn't like, I know, just doing formal things. I was like, sorry, first name?

bop. One more time? Bop. How do I spell that exactly as it sounds? Yeah. Yeah. Bop. Bop.

Bop. Bop. Bop. Bop. Bop. Oh, that helps. That's great. You can spell Jessica, but you can't spell.

It's been impressive. Bop. Oh, man. You should change your name by D-Pol to that. How? How would you spell that? Bop. Bop. I think you'd need a letter from a different alphabet.

Yeah. Like, it's just an exclamation mark, maybe. Maybe it's just B-O. B-O. B-exclamation mark. No, exclamation should be Bop. Bop. No, that'd be...

No, no P. No, that would be... Bo! Yeah, and then I'd be like, you pronounce the exclamation mark, you dickhead. Like this? I couldn't do it. Anyway.

It's fun. It's enough fun. If you're at home, have a go. It's really good fun. Another New Year's resolution of mine is to nip our ever-increasing opening bullshit chat. Been bullshitting too much. I'm going to nip it. Which is, unfortunately, really, because my New Year's resolution

that I thought about is actually to extend this, and because I am younger than you, I have more time to live, hopefully, for me. So I sort of trump you, so I'd like to keep talking about your feelings on global warming, Jess. Okay, here's my thoughts on global warming. Great. I'm just excited. I'm really disappointed Matt then took a sip of his beer and sat back.

I really wanted him to interject because I have nothing to say about it. I'm going to stop you right there. Thank you very much. Matt, it's always bloody silencing your opinions on the podcast. You're a climate change denier. I'm sick of it. I'm turning your mic off. Jess, have a go.

Thank you. Back to the question, please. Yes. So my thoughts are... Jess, no, don't... Please. Nah, honestly, let's get on with the fucking show today. Okay, well...

We'll save that for another day that. I guess I'll have to do a topic on global warming. Please, nobody suggests that I have known nothing. Please talk about... I think you know one thing. It's a relatively bad. Is it? Well, it's...

All right. Is that? I'm pretty sure. Jess's mind is open for mold. Pretty sure? Look, I'm not a scientist How much money would you put on it? I'd put all my money on it

Oh, so nothing Yes It's a pretty safe bet for me You get my debt Woo All yours Patreon.com Matt

Speaking of Patreon I believe that Matt has got a new topic for us Because your topics are now Actually listener voted through Patreon Yes, that's right From a couple of Well, my last topic was the first one

but this one again, every three weeks or whenever I do a topic, it will go to the vote to the Patreon listeners who think subscribe for $2 or more a month. I mean, pretty rich, to be honest. I'd say overvaluing the right, but it's been really good because people have... Matt, you're not very good at selling Patreon. I'll just stop you right there. And I suggest to have a go while simultaneously explaining her thoughts on global warming. So here's the thing. Okay.

It hurts. She wasn't good at doing one of those at a time. No, I gave her two and I broke her other rib somehow. I don't know. Laughing hurts. No, you're right. I'm saying, I mean, $2 over a month is probably, even I could almost afford that. We did have to tell you to stop subscribing to the podcast.

Yeah, I was bankrupt. But he was giving us $1,000 a month, which is weird. It was crazy, but I was happy. I was stealing. I was stealing from my friends. Yeah, to Ben. You guys. Put back into the podcast.

Anyway, so you've put it to the vote and the people have spoken. So this one actually also comes in from the Golden Hat as well. So that which is a level of the Patreon you get to guarantee that your topic comes up. And it was by a guy called Alex Kossi. And he loved our Back to the Future Trilogy episode, which was one of my episodes as well. Thank you every now and then someone likes what I do. It's nice to be appreciated. I always like what you do.

I sometimes like what you do. There you go. I'm going to be biggest fan. I'm not your biggest fan, Jess is. I'm a picture of you on my wall, and every morning I say, go get him, Maddie. Yeah, it is true. You do.

I've got a picture of Jess's wall on my wall. It's very confusing. So he really liked that episode, and he just asked more broadly that he wanted us to do another movie franchise. Right. So I put that to the vote with four suggestions. So my question to you guys is, without even telling you what the four suggestions are,

what do you think our listeners, would have voted for as the movie franchise that they would have wanted us to do a topic of... Are you going to narrow it down or not? We just have a go. Do you want to narrow it down? No, we can have a guess each. So you've given them four options and they've picked?

Yeah, maybe I need to... Do I need to narrow it down? I would just... Maybe Terminator? Terminator, I don't even know. I didn't give that as an option. Indiana Jones? I gave that as an option, but it was not chosen.

It's an English one. It's quite a long history over 50 years now in the cinemas. Oh! Oh my God, is it James Bond? It is James Bond. Oh my God, I'm so excited. Yes, an opportunity for me to do my bad Sean Connery accent. Oh my God, yes, I fucking love James Bond.

Me too. And I really wanted to do this as a topic like one day, but I was also like, Jesus, you've got to do a lot of research. Because James Bond is huge, it's massive Matt. They chose Bond over Jones. By a long way, more than half. Oh, awesome. James Bond. I think second place was Shrek.

Shrek is great. Surely that was your joke hands. No, I like the idea of doing Shrek. It's got a great because it came from a book as well, similar to James Bond. Did Shrek. Yeah, and it was... Oh, and they had a different actor that Mike Myers replaced. Really?

Yeah, the guy had, like, done like 90... I wish I knew that the guy's name. He'd done like 80% of the dialogue and then died so they got Mike Mines. I didn't know that. I don't think that the original guy did a Scottish accent. Wow. Yeah, I'm pretty sure Mike Myers came up with the... Anyway, that was...

That's, well, we're not doing that topic. Hey, guys, it's going back in the hand, because obviously these guys are it. And I know something about it somehow. Also, I opened up comments on it this time on the poll. Yep. And there were eight comments and four of the comments were about Shrek, like going, you've got to do Shrek and you got to talk about specific Shrek things. Awesome.

Which is interesting. So the ones who wanted Shrek really wanted it. Yeah, the diehards. Yeah, which is cool. Do you want a diehard? That wasn't in there? I love Dahl. Do you want to know one of my fondest memories of Shrek?

Is it when I was 11 and, well, I was about to get braces. I got braces quite young. and I had to go get teeth pulled out first so I'd been to the dentist and then I'd got home and I was still on lots of painkillers and my mum had bought me Shrek on VHS and so I was lying on the couch

watching Shrek and she was on the phone I think to my dad and then the painkiller started to wear off and I was in a lot of pain and I was just like she's on the phone and she's like I've got to go

Jess is crying but I was just watching you were terrified by Shrek I've got to turn off the movie it's too much for her it's too scary as a talking donkey. It's too overwhelming for a poor little brain.

But we should maybe, oh, if anyone does want to hear that, let us know, we'll put it in the hat. But one of the other comments, which I think maybe Jess in particular might like, so the comments were different things. Some of them were like questions say, oh, can you explain this thing about Bond? Because a few of them about Bond. Yeah, sure. But one of the Bond-related ones, and I don't know who wrote it because it doesn't leave the name or anything, it's somewhat anonymous, I think. But the comment was three words, Perkins. Bop Perkins.

That's awesome The name's Perkins Bob Perkins Oh okay Well Dave you've ticked off another one of the comments Because Was it a requested to Sean Connery? It was

Also lots of Sean Connery impressions are required Great, great No problem That will probably happen Can deliver Yes All right anyway I think

Awesome I could have written on this for weeks It's huge I only had a you know, a few weeks. But it was also the Christmas, a New Year's period. Oh, hey, you've been busy.

Jess, you're obviously a fan. Love it. I studied James Bond. I don't, it sounds like I'm the least fany. That's okay. I've got the box set. I've seen them all.

Really? I own a mall. Can I borrow the box set? Well, you guys are going to be able to fill in some blanks potentially because I reckon I've seen a small handful. One of my earliest films I can remember seeing was Thunderball on TV.

Oh, yep. My parents let me say that late to watch it, and I enjoyed it so much. that at age six, my dad took me to see Golden Eye, the first Pierce Bros., which is one of Pierce Brothers is his best film. And they didn't make me pay for a ticket because I was so small in the seat, my tush, so small. Wait, how long ago was this?

Not even like a kid's ticket, it was 20 years ago. And then half-foot through the film when he's kissing a Zenia on the top, who's the evil, like, Russian lady, but like they have like a lot of sex, even though he knows she's a bad girl. I stood up in the movie and, yeah. yelled out, don't kiss her, shoot her. And the whole movie laughs. Oh, that's so cute.

Is that cute? That he wants to murder a woman? No, but he gets it. He knows what's going on. She was a bit... Oh, man, I was highly perceptive, I knew. I don't think I'm a... I wouldn't say I'm a Bond expert.

I may not be able to fill in a lot of gaps, but I am an enthusiast. I haven't seen all of the films, I don't think. But I studied James Bond a couple times at uni. Two different Unis. What do you study? Studied James Bond. Yeah, but what do they...

So, what do they... Well, Just like the history of the movies, that kind of thing? Kind of. No, it was more to do with, like, sociology. So James Bond is actually a really good representation of society at the time. And, like, you can... Oh, because each time the gadgets are from that era, the...

No, it's not a good about gadgets. It's more about behaviours. So even if you look at, like, how Sean Connery treats women in the films, it's like... Oh, man, he's really bad, in me. He literally one time tells her to go away because the adults are talking. Like, it's amazing. Oh, my gosh.

And then in the more recent ones, like, the women play a more integral role. Like, James Bond is... always going to be a bit of a sleaze, but he's a bit better. Was M always a woman? No. No. It's named Judy Densch now. No, for many years was the same man.

Same guy. Right. So that's probably one example of that maybe. Yep. She's the big boss. Yeah, exactly. And he obviously, he does respect her quite a lot. This report, actually, because I have done a fair bit of work on this, so it is quite long, so I should get stuck into it.

It's long for me. It's not Dave long. No, God, no. Oh, sorry, pardon me. So this first line feels a little bit, um, unnecessary. James Bond is a fictional British spy created in the early 1950s

by author Ian Fleming. What? During his time serving in the naval intelligence division, Fleming began planning his first Bond novel. He told a friend apparently, I'm going to write it. I'm going to write the spy story to end all

spy stories. Imagine being that friend, you'd be like, g- All right, mate. Rito, Ian. Go to bed, Ian. Stop talking. The lights out was 10 minutes ago. For fuck sake, Fleming.

Nothing by an Ian has ever been remarkable in any way is what I would have said. Go to bed. Ian. Ian. Do you think of any good Ian? Ian Fleming. Ian McAllen. Sorry.

Ian McAllen. Oh, no. I'm so sorry, Ian's. I'm fucked up there. Yeah, that's it though. That's the end of list. He's either Gandalf or the other one. Or neither?

He's Magneto. I know that. He's Magneither. Is he Magneither? That's lovely. Is he Gandoff the Grey? Yeah. I said that wrong, I think.

And in 1952, he began writing his first Bond novel, which was called Casino Royale. Which is a sweet name. So good. Apparently he started the book shortly before his wedding to his pregnant girlfriend and Charteris to distract him from the upcoming event. you want a distraction

Yeah you want a distraction from your wedding Hang on I've got a lot of planning to do What am I going to do I'm going to write a novel I'm going to write the spy story to end all Ian lights out was 10 minutes ago I'm home and you're my wife Fleming base

Soon to be Don't get head of it up Anne I could cut you off at any time I'm going to be really rich one day With the spy story to end all spy stories Last week's episode It didn't end too well for a few

Married Anne Yeah a couple of hands Is she and Anne with an E? I forgot that I'm having to answer that. No, no, eh. So that's how she got through. I never realised there was another way to spell N. A double N, mate.

That's a name. That's a name. That's a name. A recipe for disaster if you asked me. Nobody asked. No one did ask. Matt, do go on. Can you please ask?

Fleming-based bond on a bunch of different dudes I've written. He encountered one, which is fucking stupid. Did you get that from a, like, is this, like a quote? This is an encyclopedia Britannica. Yeah, a quote from a in. Heen? Heard. guys that he encountered while in the Naval Intelligence Division in World War II

at one point saying that Bond was a compound of all the secret agents and commando types he met during the war as well as basing Bond on secret agents he met during the war he also based Bond's appearance on the composer singer and all-round stud muffin Hogi Carmichael Oh, Hogi! I don't know if that's 100% true or that's what people think that he did or I don't know if that's necessarily verified but you see pictures of that guy and some of the earlier illustrations and they do look quite similar. Okay, cool.

Not at all like the cinematic forms though. Sure. He also gave Bond many of his own traits, including his love of golf and also of gambling. Apparently he even gave Bond his golf handicap. Oh, really? And also the thing where... Weird Easter egg to leave in a novel. that like the way Bond says

Bond, James Bond that's how Fleming introduces himself to He goes Fleming Ian Fleming He better say he says Bond James Bond That would have been much funny I'm sorry so your ID does not match your name

I can't let you check in But I'm here at the golf tournament How are I going to play? This is all, it's all gone on And that doesn't match her name either It's got an E on the past one Fuck Well there's been a problem

You heard me pronounce with an E. I said it with an E, didn't I? Do I? No, I don't think you did, sir. Step off. Step off. Fleming was an avid bird watcher. No, no.

A Twitcher? He's a character. Is that what it's called? Twitter or an ornithologist? Yes. Ornithologist is nice. Your Twitter is a great word. Twitch is so fun.

But, yeah. So he actually took the name of James Bond from a well, another well, well, an actual well-known ornithologist. Really? And this is what he said. he said, when I wrote the first one in 1953, I wanted Bond to be an extremely dull, uninteresting man to whom things happened. I wanted him to be a blunt instrument. When I was casting around for a name for my protagonist, I thought,

by God, James Bond is the dullest name I've ever heard. That's why I picked it, because it's based on the bird watching man. But isn't that funny that, like, initially what he thought was Bond would be a really dull character in this wild world around him? It's such a cool name now. Yeah. If you're writing a spy, though, they're also going to have spy skills, which are not dull at all. Yeah, it's a weird thing.

I guess he just thought he'd be, like, sort of... But if you were to blend in, though, you'd want a boring name. Sure. But if your name is, like, Zania on a top. Sure. Well, he gave an example. He goes, I wanted the simplest, dullest, plainest sounding name I could find. James Bond was much better than something more interesting, like Peregrine Caruthers.

Fuck. That's named after two more birds. Yeah. Yeah. Perigran of the Carutha. What a great example. The name's Caruthers. Peregrine.

Caruthers. I'm sorry, sir. It says Ian Fleming. Ian Fleming. I'm really going to have to hold you to this. I'm so sorry. Anyway, you're off on the first 10 in five minutes. Please.

Just get out there. Play golf. Your caties waiting. He said, exotic things would happen to and around him, but he would be a neutral figure. Not to mention erotic. Roddy thinks that happen just around him and he would be

just lying in the bed oh this is pretty good just kind of neutral just trying to blend into the sheet he's wearing a beige suit you can just see his eyes moving oh yeah Perrigan Crothers likes this

he still calls himself that yeah that's his little sexy nickname Perigant Crothers When he finished his manuscript for Casino Royale. He took it to... When he... When he finished the manuscript for Casino Royale, he took it to his friend William Plomer,

who worked in publishing. And Ploma loved it, and he submitted to a publisher named Jonathan Cape. And Cape wasn't into it at all, really. And it took him a lot of convincing before he eventually did agree to publish it. So he was turned around. But I like this, because he was... In the end, he was convinced to publish it. It's published it based on the recommendation of Peter Fleming, Ian's older brother, who was a respected travel writer.

So, like, um... No, no. He's got no real... Throw him a bone. Yeah, but it's funny because it's like... Do me a favour. You're a travel writer. This is a spy novel.

What do you know? And it's your brother. It's your brother. There's so much in that that's like, that can't be convincing. It's not like it's Ernest Hemingway going, you should do this. I'm a world famous, very, very good writer. I don't know this guy, but I love what he's done, you know? So this is my brother.

And one time I went to... Barbados and it gave it four stars. And I'm super biased and yeah, what do you reckon? Oh, I'm convinced. Oh, yeah, all right, no problem. So you guys are obviously Bond fans, so you'll

possibly know this? I reckon Dave knows all these sort of weird trivia things and you'll understand that I'm sort of, it's not the obvious answer and asked a question. Do you know who was the first person to portray Bond on screen? Oh, as in like, wait, is this a trick question? It is a bit of a trick question. It is a bit of a trick question.

It wasn't the films? Is it not an official E-O-N production? It's pre-it, they hadn't even been put together at this stage. It was in 1954. It was like Peter Sellers or something like that, who they did a comedy version. No, that did happen. That was later on. But it was the first version of Casino Royal,

the one you're talking about is the second one I'll talk about in a little bit. But I always just thought it was Sean Connery until I was reading about it. I was wrong, obviously. I've written here, I was wrong, dead wrong, for some reason. Some of these reports are write quite late at night. And it's like a little note to yourself? Yeah. Man, you were dead wrong when you thought that thought.

You, you fucking idiot. Get out of here. No, but don't. Get back to your laptop and do the work. That's what you say. In early 1954, Fleming was paid $1,000 for the television rights for Casino Royale. And the novel was adapted into a TV special for CBS as an episode of the Climax, exclamation mark, mystery theater. Sorry, it's climax. Oh, sorry.

Thank you. I always fucked that up. Come on. It was a low-budget black and white episode. Obviously, it was 1995-was colour TV even... It was a different time. It was a different time. Simple a time.

A good year. A good year. I've missed a few chances, though. I've missed a few, sorry. And it starred American actor Barry Nelson. Barry Nelson is like the least sexy name ever. Barry Nelson. Barry Nelson.

Oh, fuck. Barry Nelson Barry Nelson Is that how you do it Nelson Barry Nelson So which one's your first name Is it Nelson or Barry?

Both are awful Get out of here So it says Ian Fleming I don't know how many times I have to tap this licence But he's also an American Which is interesting Yeah

So apparently Barry played Bond Very casually And despite several laughing This is something I'm reading this directly off a website Despite several laughable fighting and torture scenes, the episode... That torture scene was hilarious. The episode was an interesting and enjoyable rendition of Casino Royale.

Okay. Speaking is hard. Wow. They enjoy the hilarious torture. Yeah. Do you guys know about how many Bond books Fleming wrote or anything like that? No. These are things I didn't know as well, because...

Books are still being written in the Bond series, and Fleming's been dead for quite a while. But all the ones he wrote, I've heard of them all, right? So he wrote 12, or he had 12... Oh, should we try and name them? Yeah, yeah, okay, so he had... Fleming wrote 12 Bond novels and two collections of short stories, and they were released yearly every year.

Apparently he went to his property, and he wrote... January February, he wrote one every year sort of thing. So his property, Golden Eye? Yes, it is. That's so cool, is that. What is called, his property's called Gold Island? That's sick.

And that's sick. That's right. It's such a cool name for, I'd love to have a house big enough that I could name. Yeah. I, there's a house, there's a building near me called Graham Manor. Graham. Oh, Graham, what are you going to call it?

Graham. Graham. Graham. I'm going to call my house Gary House. Not even Gary. Gary's house. Gary House. Gary House.

There's another one nearby that's called Jessica. And I was like, well, is that... Jessica does... I reckon I've seen a boat name Jessica. Jess is probably a good boat name. Do you reckon that's enough for me to just go over to somebody... To just go over that house and be like, I live here now. Yeah, this is Jessica.

Everybody fuck off. I'm pretty sure that the law would come down well on your side. I'll give you... You can guess until you get one wrong, otherwise it could get super tedious. But so there's 12, and that does include... Okay. The 12 plus two short story collection Casino Royale, as you've mentioned.

Dr. No. Yes. Goldfinger. Yes. Moon Raker. Yes. From Russia with love. Yes.

On Her Majesty's Secret Service. Fuck. Yes. Thunderball? Yes. The spy who loved me? Yes. What about?

Diamers are forever? Yes. Oh, we got two to go, yes. Oh my God, Dave. You've done all of this. I'm not sure which one you've missed, damn it. But I'm worried about the later ones. Like, I don't...

Yeah, I think they ran out later on, I reckon. I'm not sure about, like, quantum of solar, so I think that's one. No. Yeah. I fucked it right at the end. What were the two? So I'm not exactly sure, but did you say live and let die? No.

And did you say the man with the golden gun? Ah, no. And you should have known that because you're the man with the golden tonsils. Oh, exactly. Ah. You did so well, though, Dave. That was a... I can't...

Like, I just was... I guess it was my... I reckon it's a parents thing. Your parents get you into it. Must do. Yeah. On my granddad's shelf. So my granddad,

I've talked about before, had about 4,000 books of the library. He had the James Bond. Like, he was like an anthology of all. And I started watching them young, but then I was too young to read it. And maybe about five of those

were a part of this. Right. Nice. And I've got that book now. I still haven't read it. But it's just like, it means a lot just having it on the shelf because I used to just every year go there at Christmas

and I'd be like, we're going to read that one day and I will. That's great. It's really sweet, Dave. It's a sweet memory. It is. You get so, I'm so impressed. It was so good.

But it's funny because I, I don't, like, I just don't, my parents or no one got me into it. So I just never have really been into it. And the ones I saw, I'm just like, ah, it's so boring. They all seem the same. Like, I just don't get it necessarily. But I've heard of all of those. Yeah. Somehow, somehow I've just know all those names.

And it's crazy that they're all hit movies on some level as well. Yeah. And then the two short story volumes. I don't know if you'd heard of these. For Your Eyes Only. Oh, yeah. That's another movie title. And also Octopus and the Living Daylight.

I didn't know Octopus was the name of one. Yeah, it was a movie called Octopus. Yeah. Oh, it was a movie called Octopus. Yeah. I thought that was just the character. That's called Octopussy. It's called Octopussy.

Yeah. Oh, yeah, of course it is too, actually. I did know that. Damn it. Which is like such a great name. So good. The last two, the man with the golden gun and Octopussy and the Living Daylights were released posthumously.

Oh, okay. But he actually wrote those. But he did write them, yeah. And there's been multiple riders who've gone on to continue that series. I haven't really focused on that at all because there was plenty of stuff without that with just his series and then the movie releases. Crazy. In the late 1950s film producer Albert R. Broccoli. Yep.

I've never heard. Still comes up on every title. Really? It's like, yes, broccoli. That's so funny. What's his daughter's name? Yeah, because she does it, is she did a music or she producer? Yes, that's right.

They've passed it on. The two guys pass it on to. Barbara Broccoli and Barbara Barbara. I'm pretty sure. Nice one. I've never heard of that. I thought you guys are going to love it, but you don't, you're not going to enjoy any of the silly names. I love it every time I watch a Bond movie. It always comes up and they think sort of Albert R. Brockley's Phil. His nickname Albert is, he was nicknamed Cubby.

Cubby Broccoli. Oh, I like that. Cubby's a great nickname. Yeah, that's a sweet nickname. Cubby. Oh, that's cute. He had a meeting set up with Fleming in the late 50s to try and secure the film right. because he loved it and he wanted to get, he wanted to make Bond into a movie series or at least a movie to start with.

But unfortunately I had to miss the meeting as his wife had just been diagnosed with cancer, which obviously is a pretty good excuse. In his absence, his business partner, Irving Allen, attended the meeting. But Alan wasn't into this series at all. See, he's like, nah, shit, shit. And Albert's like, what have you done? What have you done, Irving?

This is a quote attributed to him, apparently said to Fleming, in my opinion, these books are not even good enough for television. What? Don't go to the meeting then. Surely, yeah, that doesn't make sense to me. I reckon that's, I've got something confused there. But apparently that's a comment that he said somewhere. But why would you go to the meeting and say that? You'd go to the meeting and go, oh, what do you think is possible?

Anyway, what a fucking idiot. A couple of years later in 1961, broccoli parted ways with Alan, which just feels like a good idea. And he hooked up with another producer named Harry Saltzman. Saltzman. You heard of him? No. So this guy apparently is pretty important. I don't think so.

With Saltsman. So Saltzman already had started, he'd basically figured out a deal to make it happen and then partnered with broccoli. And then they finally got their dream going and got the movie rights to the Fleming series with the exception of Casino Royale, which had been sold for $1,000. Oh, sure. So, yeah, so everything else that from then on, all new books would be in that deal. Wow.

So at that stage, Saltzman and Broccoli formed Eon productions, and they started working towards making the first film. They struggled to find funding from multiple Hollywood studios that they approached, and were given reasons such as it was too British and also too blatantly sexual, which in my mind is the same thing. Did you write that down? I enjoy that, you know, that's good. I wrote, mentally wrote it down.

You wrote it down. A little bit of flare there, Matt. You're riffing. Those Brits. That's a pre-written riff. They're sexy, those Brits. Them sexy Brits. I love the English accent.

Oh yeah, big time. After much hustling the pair eventually signed a deal with United Artists who agreed to fund and distribute seven films. And they gave them a million dollars to make the first one. Seven's a lot. That's a lot. That's a big deal for the first right off the bat. Just to agree to seven. If you're struggling to get anyone to take you seriously and then,

how about you have seven? But I think often, often those deals work like that. Like they go, they want to sign it. They're not signing it like, we're just going to sign you for one. And then if it's a success,

you can sign to someone else. They need, all those deals will be longer. And often they just won't go past the first movie if it fails. They're like, oh, we didn't really keep our money. Sorry. Yeah,

we're not guaranteeing we're going to fund the next but you're giving us the we're going to work in part. I think that's how it would be. Yeah, that does make sense. But they did give him a million bucks to make the first one, which was a decent amount of money at the stage. According to a Vanity Fair article, after an arduous and seemingly fruitless search to find a lead actor who was mutually agreeable to the two producers and their

studio benefactor United Artists, Broccoli went back to one of the lesser knowns among the candidates, Sean Connery. Who? So he was basically unknown at that stage. He'd done some small roles. And to confirm his hunch that this tall, handsome Scotsman could be the guy. Broccoli, while in Hollywood, arranges for his new wife, Dana, to join him at a screening room at the Samuel Goldman Studio.

I want you to seduce my wife. And if you're successful, you've got the role. No, Connery wasn't there, but they organized to meet there. and his wife watched this movie, and the only Connery movie he could get was this movie he was in called Darbio Gill and the Little People, and apparently pretty not great movie. It was in like pretty bad or pretty offensive just with little people?

Probably both, to be honest, it was the 50s. A, bit of corned, yeah. I think everything was offensive back then. And Dana Broccoli's response was instantaneously, That's our Bond. She stood up in the movie. Sit down! It's a private screening.

Who's saying that? Albert. It's the usher. Sit down, Dana. You've paid for the seat, not for the air above it? There are people like that, I reckon, who are just like, no, rules are rules.

I don't care this is a private screening. You get in that fucking church. Until you're done. You've had it for three hours. I'm handcuffed you to the same. The first novel they chose to take the big screen wasn't obviously the first one because that was not, they didn't have the rights to it,

but it wasn't even the second or the third or the fourth. It was the sixth novel. Doctor No. Which is interesting, right, that they, yeah, they didn't go chronologically. But were the novels,

I don't know the storyline so much. Was there much of an arc throughout the early novels? Or was it really self-enclosed stories? Well, like I say, haven't read those granddad novels. Right, you're more familiar with the movies. But from the movies,

they sort of chop and change a bit, yeah. Because he gets older and then suddenly he's a new actor and then it's back to Sean Connery. I think there are some reboots and that sort of stuff. But I think normally it's almost like it's, at least in the more recent one, it's like they'll reboot with a new actor and that's a new arc.

But not necessarily in the past. I'm not 100% sure about that. The critical... That's not how you say that word. Though the critical response was mixed, Dr. No was a huge hit. It took nearly 60 million at the box. offers from that budget of about one million bucks that's a good return it's a pretty

what's that return Dave 60 times what interesting he's so good that that is going to sound like I edit out some thinking time there I did not no he just said it that fast in fact I've done some calculations yep it's actually 59.9 whoa recurring thank God again no thick time do you remember do you remember who co-starred is in the movie as Honey Rider. Doctor no, who's honey? No. Her name's Ursula Andres.

Oh, Ursula Andres. Was she Swiss? Sure. And in 2003, the scene of Andres emerging from the water in a bikini. So good. Apparently, it's an iconic scene and it topped Channel 4

in England's list of the 100 sexiest scenes of film history. Wow. And that bikini was sold in 2001 at an auction for, what do you reckon? Two million dollars. No, 100,000. Ah, it was 61.5.

Still a crazy amount for a bikini, I would have thought. But it seems pretty... Whenever we ask that question, it's always way higher. And then it sounds disappointing. Holy 60 grand. I'd pay that. For a bikini, big time. And they parodied that scene with Daniel Craig in one of his first movies.

Him getting out of the water in like little blue trunks. Yeah, that's a fun idea. That's more of the modern time sort of stuff. Well, exactly. And the other thing is, if I may, just talking about him in his little trunks, You go back to, like, because it also, the film's also a representation of like what's sexy in a man or what's like the idea of a man at the time. So if you look at like Sean Connery, he's like got really hairy chest and he's like, he's fit but he's kind of stocky. And then you go to like Daniel Craig now and there's like not a hair on his body.

And ripped. Ripped. It's like you're describing me. Okay. Which one? The hairless part. That's about it. After the release of the film

The sales of all of Fleming's novels rose sharply And in the seven months after Dr No was released 1.5 million copies of the novel was sold Oh man Payday for good old Ian It's funny when like it's just like Everything in your business is good Like it's like I've just made some money

Selling my rights of the film But it also It helps with my books You probably I wonder if you even consider that at the time I don't know Connery starred in a further four Bond films from Russia with Love, Goldfinger, Thunderball, and You Only Live Twice. Goldfinger! It was the best one.

It's my second favourite Bond song. Hold that up because I want to ask you about it, because I found a list ranked, ranking all the songs. I want to know what your favourites are and I want to see how that compares. Because my favourite is saying there is the worst. Great. Great. I'm interested to you. Yeah, we just sizzle for later in the episode.

The Duran Duran Duran one? Is there a Duran Duran one? There is a Duran Duran one. Is there? I don't actually know that many of them. I might when you say them. Anyway. So Connery did five movies all together and they all have, like, the problem with this topic is there's so many movies. And they've all got interesting stories, but I just don't have time to go into most of them.

So I'm going to have to keep sort of moving through. Fair enough. In the mid-60s, American producer Charles K. Feldman bought the film rights success. He tried to have it made as part of the official series of Bond films, but when he failed, he decided to turn it into a James Bond spoof instead and released it two months before you only live twice. Aw, what a dick move. There's a spoiler alert.

If anyone wants to go out and see this spoof, maybe fast-forward the next 24 seconds. I'm going to just briefly go through it. I'm going to say the next 24 minutes. In the film David Niven, who Dave's mentioned on a previous... Oh yes, he was on one that helped out one of the Monty's. And he was also in the Pink Panther guy. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he plays a retired 007, and his old boss, M, dies in an explosion.

So Niven, Niven's Bond reluctantly goes back to the spy agency, and he takes over M's role, and then decides to rename all of his agents to James Bond to confuse the enemy. So in the movie, it ends up being David Niven, Terrence Cooper, Woody Allen, Joanna Petit, Padet, Dahlia, Lerner. Lavie, Peter Sellers and Ursula Andres All are all end up being named James Bond. Oh, that's pretty funny. So it's a spoof. It's kind of like a, it's one of the,

it's, I'd almost call it a romp. I'm not sure if that'd be right, but that's what I'd almost call it. You'd almost call it a romp. Almost, not quite though. So you call it a rom. Rom. It's a rom.

Film critic Roger Ebert said, this is possibly the most indulgent film ever made. But it was a box office success, actually. Really? turning its $12 million budget into over $40 million at the box office. So not a huge success, but, you know, it made its money back and then some. Wow. 3.3 times.

I know that, but that is a bit dicey because that doesn't take any consideration of advertising and other costs, but also probably DVD sales. Yeah. I was going to ask you, yeah, but how many DVD sales? Like I was going to ask, we are just one brain. After Connery's retirement, the search was on to find the next bond. I'm imagining you guys know who it was. It was the Australian.

It was the Australian. So he was, I read two different things. He was either spotted in a chocolate commercial on TV, or he was spotted by the producers of the barbers getting his haircut. Eating a chocolate. But he was, either way, chocolate was involved. There was definitely chocolate. That's all I remember.

So it was Australian model, George Lazenby, who was the highest paid model in the world at the time. I don't know that he was already successful. I don't think he's that good. looking. But I think it was like you say, it's different times. Different times. That's funny how...

We are a product of society, you know? It's just like a big guy. Yeah. I reckon he looks kind of like in that Bond world. Like when you see him all lined up, you can see the... Yeah, yeah. But you would definitely pick Sean over him, right? And this was the worst Bond movie.

Well, yeah. I mean, with all of this, I've found that no one's 100% sure on anything. There are always big fans of the ones that generally hated. But because I don't, I just don't particularly like any of them. I don't know. Well, I mean, I haven't seen the majority of them, but I just remember being younger, just being a bit bored by them. It's like, what's the point?

Although I did enjoy Austin Powers as a child. Okay, so you had terrible taste anyway. I've seen them since as an adult and Austin Powers hasn't aged well. No, it's fine. It's fun. The last one is no good. Oh, actually, I haven't said the last one. It's all a bit gross.

It's really no good. The first one. The first one, I haven't seen a long time, but I remember really enjoying. I have no interest in re-watching. I think that's probably for the best. It often is. I'm going to spring it on you one day. You'd be like, oh, great.

Dave, I'd love to come over and watch the new James Bond movie. And then I would handcuff you to a chair just like that lady was. And then I'd put on Austin Powers. That sounds terrible. Why would you handcuff a friend to a chair, you monster? Why would you refuse to watch Austin Powers? I think the majority of people would be on my side of this. No, I think you sound very creepy.

Laysenby was our... Don't move on, Matt. I'm not ready. Until I hear Jess explain global warming. Okay. Here's the thing about global warming. It's sometimes it's hot. Sometimes it's hot.

It's hot right now. Other times, real cold. Wait, that's not... So what I'm saying. I think what you're talking about is seasons. Oh, are they not the same? No. Hmm.

So Lays and B was recently back in Australia and I really enjoyed how he described his sort of ascent into the role of Bond, how it went. It just sounds so effortless. So in Australia, he was working various jobs. Couldn't really hold down a job, I guess. He was working as a mechanic and different things like that. Slash model.

And then he said, he fell in love with a beautiful woman. And then he said he fell in love with a beautiful woman who was way out of my class, and she went on to England. So I told my boss, I'm going to England. And then when he went over, he couldn't find her. So he hung out in London and sold cars at Mercedes-Benz and happened to meet a photographer somehow, which brought him into the modelling world,

and then from the modelling world, I went into film. Oh, is that all? Also, you follow somebody the other side of the world. You don't know where they live. Yeah, I'm going to England. Oh, they're in England. It's a little country. Yeah, I'll just follow that person back to Australia.

Okay, where are you going to go? You go to Sydney, they could be in Melbourne. You got to Melbourne, they could be in. in Perth. You know, Perth? It could be anywhere. They could be in Subiaco. Let's list everywhere they could be.

Subiaco very close to Perth. I wish I had control to fade you guys down sometimes. Okay, Matt, well, that seems a little unfair, but do go on. I could have just faded you down and you would have listed Western Australian places. Is this going to be more fun? I would have got through some bond stuff and then faded you back up and you're still going at Claremont. We got the Swan River.

Is this going to be fun for you then? If you just keep going with your report and we just don't pop in it all, is it going to be fun for you? They're going to be fun for the listeners? No. Okay, well off you go. Off you go. So this is from an interview in the Australian paper, the Sydney Morning Herald. Laysenby scored the coveted role of the Secret Agent 207, despite having no real prior acting experience. He said that when film producers Albert Broccoli and Harry Soltzman demanded Lazybsenby returned the next day after a successful casting call, he said he didn't like

their attitude. Very demanding. I'll come back the next day. So he goes, so I told them I couldn't be there that I'd be in Paris for a film, which I wasn't, and they asked how much I was being paid. When I told them I was being paid 500 pounds a day, which I wasn't, they said, go down to the account and he'll give you the money, be here tomorrow. The actor... He was like, all right, well, I was really just going to sleep in and probably order a pizza, but... All right, 500 pounds, I reckon I'll fly back.

The actor said that... But remember, he probably wasn't in place. Paris. Yeah, it wasn't even Paris. He was just down the road, I guess. The actor said that when director Peter Hunt learned of the ruse, he belly laughed and offered him the role on the spot. He loved it. He loved him being a bit of a... And offered him double the money on the spot. If I weren't that, I'd be like, you sound like you're going to be too much work. Yeah, didn't you're a bit of trouble. Laysenby didn't sign a contract and the negotiations dragged on during the production in the film.

Lazybe recalled, my agent said, it's about love, not war. right now. James Bond is the opposite. He said it was going to be, he said it was going to die and that's why Connery gave it up. He told me I could make that kind of money doing movies in Italy. Clint Eastwood was getting 500,000 doing westerns in Italy. He didn't even have to speak. That's one of his logic there. Lazy's said that he took the advice and refused to sign a seven movie contract that was offered to him reportedly worth a million dollars. There's an element of me that thinks I should have done two Bond films to prove they didn't get rid of me, he said.

On the other hand, I wouldn't have had the laugh I've had. You're gonna really enjoy this day, Maliki. He goes, I've got beautiful kids, which I may not have ever had if I continued with Bond. Instead, I was bonding with my children. Oh, very good. Yeah, I thought you'd appreciate

that. He used Bond in a different way. I'm willing to see how long Jess will be to say so on. I don't think she can do it much longer. I'm calling her bluff. Don't make me apologize. Hashtag Bopspluff. Bops, fluff. Jess, you can talk to me.

You just can't talk to Matt. I'll pass on any messages you want. I'll turn down your microphone and his headphones about that. He can't hear you. On Her Majesty's Secret Service was George Laysenby's first and last appearance in the Bond series. Although in later years, he did play Bond-like characters in several TV spoofs. So what do you think about that movie? I think Jess said that was one of the worst ones?

Yeah, I didn't. It's not fun. Isn't it? Because I've read some people say that it's quite good when I'm not. say it's not. Apparently he's a bit more like, maybe he was a bit more like what Fleming originally

was talking about, the blunt instrument sort of guy? It is hard to put someone play one bond. When I saw it, when Daniel Craig was cast I was like, this is the worst.

I hate this. Yeah. And I was watching Casino Raoul at the cinema. I got him with my dad every time to see the new movie. And I was like, I guess that was fun,

that opening, great, right. By the end of the movie, I was like, he's the best Bond ever But like when he first got cast I would have been on I'm not a forum type guy

But if I was I'd be on there going This guy sucks How can a blonde dude Be James Bond What the fuck Oh man I mentioned people like you later on Yeah but like that was my feeling But he's he's great

So but maybe It would have taken a bit more With George Lazyme Is what I'm saying It's hard to watch one movie Yes I think that's right I completely imagine him as James Bond

Like it was like And it was like basically His first movie as well Apparently he's acting like Can you imagine That he's how he's hardly done any acting before that. I believe he was quite impressive for his relative

inexperienced. Yeah, he lucked his way into a car, as a car salesman. Jess is really struggling. I think I've got to like, look, how about we... How about I apologize? I can't even remember what I said. Me either. But I'm sorry. Okay, I forgive you. I just wanted to... Because the thing with the Laysenby film,

it goes back to what we learned in uni when we were studying the films. Oh, here we go. A bit of an analysis here. Well, it is because... Because James Bond as a character is like this indestructible person, right? Like he's, you can't die and he like bounces back from everything and nothing phases him and he's like a robot human, superhuman. And in the Lazenby one, which to be honest, I don't know if I've seen all the way through or anything, but this is just what we've discussed. It's that bad.

But like he gets married. James Bond gets married. Doesn't he? Sean Connery gets married as James Bond to a Japanese girl. No, doesn't James Bond get married in the Laysenby one? I can't ride. He definitely gets married to Sean Connary. Really?

Yeah, and the girl gets poisoned. I can't help you. Okay, yeah, well, I'm pretty sure. Okay, well, it's a similar sort of thing in that, like, there's a car accident, like, as they're leaving their wedding, and she's killed, and he's, like, a total wreck. Right. And the idea, like, the reason that people didn't like it as much is because he was a human. It's too real.

It's too real. It's like, no, James Bond is indestructible. So even in like the later ones with... Like Roger Moore is the most unhuman. Right? I'm having a great time. Yeah. I'm Roger Moore.

Daniel Craig, like, spoiler alert, sorry, but he like loses Vespalind and he's torn up about it. But he's not like, he sort of gets, he goes robot and like doesn't deal with his feelings and just gets on with his life. Whereas Lazy's Be was like, why? Everyone's like, oh, yuck. We don't like this character. Oh, that's interesting, which is weird. Very weird. Um, so after Lazy's and be retired from the series...

I'll be quiet again now. Please don't. After he retired from the series, American John Gavin was signed to play the role in Diamonds are Forever. Really? Diamonds are Forever! I should say Lazy's and be reckons that he, he, he feels that rumors were spread about him after quitting the movies that he was hard to work with and that sort of stuff.

Other people say he was hard to work. with. But he says that rumors were spread and it made it very hard for him to find work afterwards. He sounds like a bit of a deeper. Yeah, I mean, that's one of the rumors, but I mean, I feel like there's always two sides and I

don't know for sure, but obviously don't know anything for sure. But yeah, this American guy, John Gavin, I'm like, I'd never heard of this guy, but he signed on to replace Lazenby. Amazing as well that Lazyby was offered such a long contract. How many? I think it was seven.

Yeah, crazy. And then he did one and was like, nah. He's like, he never even signed it. Yeah, he just did one and went. Did he get paid? Yeah, he got paid for the movie. He still get paid. He didn't sign the contract.

So, yeah, so have you heard of this John Gavin guy? No. So, and you know the film Diamonds are Forever, you'll probably know what I'm about to say. The head of United Artists wanted to bring back Sean Connery at any cost. He's like, not sure about this John Gavin guy. We need a sure thing like Sean Connery. Connery wasn't keen, but eventually he agreed to do one last film, getting paid a huge $1.25 million dollars. I remember Lazyzeby was offered a million for seven.

Wow. And that was a base salary plus an estimated 12.5% of the profits. Wow. So just a super sweet deal. So the money plus the profits. Yeah. 12.5% of profits, though. That's huge. And Connery accepted that and ended up, he donated that to charity.

Oh, Sean Connery. You wouldn't get that from Lazy-Bee. He was, I believe, offered the role of Gandalfe before Ian McKellon. Really? No, see, I like Ian McKellon. And he got the script and was like, I don't understand this. Even though, and I think they offered him like, well, I don't know. I thought Connery'd already retired. Like the 5% of the entire gross.

What? It turns out that he would, he would have made hundreds of millions of dollars. Yeah, but he's pretty much, I reckon he's pretty much given away acting. Yeah. Yeah. He's in his 80s now, though. And has no need for. Macallan has that gentleness.

Yeah, but this is, you know, 15 years ago. He's got the wisdom. There's something about him. I think he's right for the role. But, you know, you say that with everyone, don't you? But, you know, I mean, probably sure Connery, probably would have done a great job. Good on him. After Diamonds are forever, Connery retired from the Eon Bond film franchise for realzies.

He's out now. He's done. Dunsies. Or is he? No, he is, Dave. That's his last. That's what he said. For realsies.

Come on, Dave. That is his last. Yeah. He'll never be James Bond again. He'll never be James Bond again. Is that what you're saying? Yep. Okay.

Okay. Well, what I actually said was he would never be in an Eon Bond film again. So again, the hunt for a new Bond was on. And there was a hunt for Red October. There was a push. That was also Sean Connery. Yeah. I think that was her point, Dave.

There was a push for the American John Gavin to get the gig. Have you ever heard of the film The Hunt for Red October? Because it's great. And I can't really remember, but I think Sean Connery may have had something to do with it. I think that's true I think you're right Yeah I think he was in it So did I say John Gavanagh he was paid out in full for his contract

You know even though he was bumped off the movie Really? Yeah So they didn't fully fuck him only But he was put forward again They didn't fully fuck him No I mean they'd They fucked him

They fucked him They'd They'd put him off a film up that they'd Offered to him And he'd signed up on But they paid him Yeah but they paid him So I guess getting paid for not doing any works

Kind of not a bad Not a bad I would be James Bond tomorrow If I didn't have to be in a movie Would you say no to that, Jess? You can be down to one. You don't have to be in a film. I'll just give you a million dollars.

I'd be like, yeah, right. Yeah, right, I suppose. Where do I sign? Hang on, let me check my sketch. Yeah, I'm free. I don't have time to sign a contract. So again, some were keen to have John Gavin on the following film after Connery said he was done.

So it's kind of like in stand-up when somebody's really bad, so then you put on a good act after them to try and pick it back up? Is that what they've kind of done? Like, Laysenby wasn't great, so they're like put Connery back in to lift it. Get it back. I guess that was probably part of it. But I think also that, but they were at the same time, they were super keen to get Lays and B locked in for seven movies. So they're not actually thinking that he was crap.

They wanted him long term. But I think they didn't want to start making it chopping around a new guy, another new guy. Yeah, sure. I don't think that works as well. So they wanted to sort of steady the shit with an existing guy. The audience was familiar. I assume that's what they're. But Harry Saltzman insisted on the role being filled by a British actor

So he said, no good for John Gavin, who was an American. And that's how Roger Moore got the gigas, the next bond. I don't like Roger Moore. He's older than Sean Connery. Yeah, I hate Roger Moore. Isn't that weird? It is potentially weird. I don't like the Roger Moore one.

I don't like Roger Moore. Because he's like, you know, in his, maybe 40s when he's first playing games. I mean, if you let me talk at all, I will say facts. that. Fair enough. Morse portrayal of Bond was much different to the character in Fleming's novels. It was a bit more comical, a bit sillier. But he's also been voted.

He was in Wonder Vote by the Academy Awards, apparently. He got more than 50% of the vote as the best Bond ever. Wow. Which was surprising me. I would have thought that that would always go to Connery. Obviously not. Again, I don't understand this world at all. More is the longest serving James Bond.

He made seven of the Eon produced Bond films in a row. Live and Let Die. The Man with the Golden Gun. The smile who loved me. Moon Raker. For your eyes. Oh, wait. For your eyes only.

Octopussy. I've never heard it said like that. Look at that octopussy. Wait, how do you say? Octopussy. Octopussy. I love it getting made fun of by Bond nerds. He said it wrong.

What a loser. I mean, it's a ridiculous word to begin with, but octo pussy. It's fine. It's fine. Is it fine? Oh my God. I'm trying to back you up here. And a view to kill. A view to a kill. It was his final one. He's also the oldest actor to have played Bond.

He started in the role as a 45-year-old. Forty-five. Yeah. And played him all the way up to being 58 in a view to kill. Jesus. And he's like a sex symbol, though. No, I disagree. He's a good-looking man.

Oh, yuck. Even when he's young, come on. You don't think he's hot? Yeah, I would have thought that would, well, obviously. He's a good-looking suave dude. Different strokes to different folks, Dave. Jess is vomiting on the ground. Well, I'm taking that as some sort of an indication.

I'm not cleaning that up, Dave. Fine. Well, Roger Moore really gets my octopussy going. That's all I'm saying. Yes, I have an octopussy. I was about to explore what that meant, and then I decided him to. I'm going to go, I'm going to backtrack a little bit now. In the early 60s, before Eon was set up,

um, Fleming worked on a script for a Bond film with an independent producer named Kevin McClory. Great name. And script writer Jack Whittingham. Also good. Uh, the project was eventually abandoned, but Fleming used much of the script in his novel, Thunderball.

Thunderball. Only he gave no writing credit to McClory or Whittingham. Brutal. He fucking dogged them. Oh, no. I've really, I actually wrote he bloody dog. But I took it up a notch. Interesting.

That's how strong you feel about this. Some creative liberties. When you flick the mic on, you just never know what you're going to get from me. I'm a wild dog. I always said that about you. Yeah. So Matt Stewart, what's he like? Bloody wild dog when the mic's on?

Mate. Jeez, always. Wild cat when the mic's off. Whatever. Is that anything? McClory went on... He had small animals in the wilderness. Maclory went under Sue Fleming in a copyright claim.

He was successful. And in the settlement deal, McClory scored a production credit on the... Eon film adaptation of Thunderball. Great. It's already been to the movie, so no one saw your name, mate. So what a lost. No, that's not true. The novel, the movie came out quite a long way out.

Oh, right, so this is ages later. No, no, this is... Got so sassy there, Dave. You did get a little... So I got to see his name. Well, I'm happy for him, I am. You've got to be a producer and a big thing. That's great.

Was he an ass prod? He... No, no, full prod. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. One day. Live and dream, Dave.

One day, mate. Imagine go to be to be a full prod. But that wasn't the big one. I mean, that was big, but the bigger, probably the bigger thing was that he also got the right to produce a different film based on that story. But he had to wait at least a 10 year period. That was the deal. Uh-huh. He did a deal.

Which he did. And that film was called, Never Say Never Again. Ah. I thought it was Thunderpants. Thunderpants. Is that actually a movie? Yep. The kids movie.

He's had a bit of a fall from great. The other two have done. really well. No, it was still during the Harry Potter franchise. What's he done though? He's been in a movie called Thunderpants. Thunderpants. And he would say like,

Thunderpants. He guests on Conan on one of those shows every now and then, doesn't he? And does, oh no, that's Simon Pegg doing him. I love Simon Pegg. Drunk Ron Weasley is like a recurring thing. I love Simon Pegg.

Got a little confused there. Do you think that means his career is still going well? Someone's parodying a character he used to play? Yes. Yeah, I think so. So it's essentially a never say never again. is essentially a remake of Thunderball, obviously. But it's seen as an unofficial Bond film,

which I find really interesting. It's like it's not official unless it's an Eon film in the Bond nerds heads, you guys. I must say every time that there's a trivia question about James Bond, I would always write, note, we are only counting official Eon productions. Right, great. So McClory got Sean, have you guys seen Never Say Never Again? Yeah.

I don't, maybe not. Maybe, yeah, you might be an Eon-only type. Yeah, I'm a die-hard fan. I'll go there. I mean, because Sean Connery's in it, so to me, it seems like a real movie. Well, okay, great. Maclory got Sean...

He's a little spoiler there for a moment. You fucking idiot. You fucking idiot. You fucking idiot. Maclory got... It's funny, Justice's script actually says, you bloody idiot, but she just got really into that. Call me a fucking idiot.

Maclory got Sean Conner involved as a consultant for the project. right up off the top and eventually at 52 years of age and despite having sworn he would never ever play Bond again he got convinced to play the role of 007 in the movie

Oh are you surprised? So surprised. So it's like one more time so this is you know quite a few years after he lasted and which I found really fun the name of the film is actually a reference to Connery's bow to never play the role again

Oh that's very good isn't it Oh, I see, because he said, no, no, no. Is this true? Is it actually, is it equipped from his wife? It's so, it was, his wife actually suggested it, and she is acknowledged at the end of the credits, where it says, title, never say never again by Michelleine Connery. Really? That's so, I remember here. Michelin?

Michelin, probably. Michelin. Michelin style. She is a star. She's got three hats. Because he said, no, I won't do it. Never. Never.

Never. Never. It's bloody dear. Just to me it sounds like a classic Bond title. It works. You only live twice. Never say never again. It makes sense.

Diamonds are forever. Because it was initially going to be called Thunderpants. And I think this was a much better suggestion. Thunderpants. It's terrible. You should check out the trailer. It's really good. What a fall.

Fleming's trustees continue to fight the release of this film in court. But would you believe it? not successful. But they couldn't, because they got the right to make the movie. Yeah, they had the right.

So, yeah, it was interesting. They were obviously working on a different, trying to find some sort of a hole in there. Do you reckonly have you offered Sean Connery now at 80, whatever he is,

84 years of age, one billion dollars to play the role again. I wonder. Because, I mean, what's money when you're 80? Yeah, and you've got enough money. Yeah.

But, I mean, unless you're like, I'd love to have some money, because I think there's some really good things. Yeah, like, all right, I'll donate all that money to... Then maybe you would think about it if you could be... Like, if you just felt like you could humanly possibly...

Humanly possibly. Humanly possibly. Oh boy. The movie was directed by Irvin Kirshner. Familiar with him at all? Another good name. It's a great name, but I don't know his word. Three years earlier, he directed a little film called The Empire Strikes Back.

Hmm. Oh. Don't know it. Was that the prequel to the Emperor's New Groove? The Lama. The Empire Strikes Back was the prequel. Sarring David Spade as a llama. Was it that one?

Yeah. Great. Very good. As you were. The film had mixed... Patrick Warburton is in that too. Very funny. The film had mixed reviews, but was a financial success.

It grossed 160 million at the box office from a budget of 36 million, which went very close to the official Eon bond release of the same year, which was Roger Moore's Octo Pussy. That's so funny. Which gross around 180 million. I genuinely don't know what I'm doing wrong there. Nothing. You're beautiful. You're saying octopussy.

Octopussy. Octopussy. Like an octopus. No, to say octopus. Yeah, right. Octopus. So say like, say somebody was like, that octopus, bit too octopussy for me. Yeah, bit too octopussy.

There we go. I was attacked by an octopoos. Yeah, no, I see what you're saying. It sucked me in. Octopus with an E at the end. Correct. There we go. Great.

I like how I do it better. I was going to say, I'm really disappointed. If you have to say it again, please don't listen to us. After more, hung up the tucks. Welsh actor Timothy Dalton became James Bond in the Living Daylights in 1987 and licensed to kill in 1989. It's Welsh. Yeah.

There you go. He is seen as being more faithful to the original Bond of Fleming's novels. And despite only appearing in the two movies, he seems to be one of the more highly regarded bonds amongst fans. How would you feel about that, Dave? It's probably... That's harder because he was only in two, I guess. Less familiar with him than the others,

but I've definitely seen the movies. I think of the Bond movies, because by the time I started watching them, it was Pierce Brosman. So I've probably seen most of Pierce Brosnan and Daniel Craig and then back to Sean Connery and sort of skipped, I think, a bunch of the middle chunks.

I don't think I've seen as much of Timothy Dalton. I suppose there's only two, but I can't remember them as clearly as I can the more recent ones. So I don't know. I reckon we should do a poll or something of listeners' favourite one, and we should watch it or something. But is he really that high regard? Because didn't James Bond start to sort of peter out for a few years because of that?

Well, I mean, I'm only going off what I read. Apparently fans are right into his portrayal. Because the longest time between Bond's changing actors is between him and Pierce, and I thought it was because people were a bit over it. Like, oh, yeah, another Bond. And then it was time for, like, a resurgence. Joel and I was like, this is awesome. But I mean, that's not necessarily, that's timing more than his betrayal, right?

That's just bond fatigue potentially. Yeah, potentially. There was also, he was meant to be doing a third one and maybe more, but there was a long gap and he sort of lost patience or? Yeah. He's actually doing the one next year. Yeah, the bringing back. I'm talking about Dalton.

Yeah, yeah. There's been a 30 year gap, but he's back. He's back at age 60. Huh, there you go. I don't understand what you guys are talking about. After Dalton, it was Pierce Brosnan's turn. He's the first one I can remember. He was Bond in 1995's Golden Eye.

That's the one I saw, so I was five when I stood up at the movies. That is so cute. Which is... Looking back is wildly inappropriate to take a five-year-old to see that movie. Yeah, to be honest, it's unfair to the other people in that cinema. Yeah, well. It's also, like, I remember it more as a kid because it was a super popular video game. Same movie we played all the time.

Yeah, I loved playing it. Such a good Nintendo 64 game. So good. It was a 64, wasn't it? Yep. I remember playing it. He was also in 97's Tomorrow Never Dies, which is a cool name. And 99's The World is Not Enough, and 2002's Die Another Day.

Which one is Hallibarian. Shocker. One of them had an invisible car, which apparently was a bit silly. It had like a really good section, but a lot of that movie was a bit too silly. Apart from Pierce's first one, I wouldn't bother watching the other. Die Another Day's one with the Madonna song. Isn't it? Yeah, and the South Korean guy with diamonds in his face.

Yes, I remember him. Yeah. Cool. Yeah, that's funny. I thought that was cool. Who has a face swap? I'll face off with Nicholas Cade and Dr. Rolter. Another great film.

He swaps his face too from the South Korean dude to look like an English man. Oh, creepy. As well as Broznan's four roles in Bond. He also played the role of Ultra House 3,000, in the Simpsons Halloween special, The Tree House of Horror 12. So is it? Yeah. Remember that one Dave?

Yeah, when he was playing hell. Yeah. Yeah, I remember that. That was a fun episode. I remember that too, Matt. I've also watched The Simpsons, thanks. I found different opinions on how good Brosom was as Bond. To me, as a kid, he was basically the only Bond I knew.

So he was Bond, you know? Same. Yeah, I'd have feel that way. And I reckon at that time, I didn't even really, I wasn't aware that there were previous bonds, or just he was Bond. So I was kind of curious to hear what he thought about his time as Bond. I found this interview with an English newspaper that asked him if he ever rewatches the movies. And it says in reply, he mock shudders.

I have no desire to watch myself as James Bond because it's just never good enough. He laughs mercilessly. It's a horrible feeling. Wow. So he's, I don't think he loves this time. But he also, in that interview, he also talked about how he really appreciates the opportunity to do it. I think he's been a bit self-deprecating as well. because he's like that role gave him the opportunity

to set up a production company make a lot of movies of his own and it you know before that what had he been in Mrs. Doubtfire which was great which was great he was in it yeah he's good enough too yeah he was good at he was in

he was in a successful British TV show which I can't remember the name of yeah after Brozlin and then we're up to the current man Daniel Craig so you're think

Daniel Craig is a hot. Out of attractiveness, I've got to ask Jess. Because you're not into Roger Moore, who I thought was a pretty classically handsome guy, who's the hottest? Based on what Jess said before, right, modern women like Jess would be into Daniel Craig, right? Is that how it works? As a general rule? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, Daniel Craig's a babe.

Babe. Huge babe. Bad. He's bad. Who would be the next closest? Sean Connery. Dave, what about you? Sean Connery.

He'd be your number one? Yeah. But I think that mine is, my attractive factor is definitely more. My attractor is definitely more based on how cool I think they are. Very true. And as a kid, I always thought, I was watching the old ones with my dad and be like, man, this guy is so cool. Yeah, Sean Connery, I think is cool. I think Daniel Craig is quite cold as well.

But I love him as, I think he's great. Because you do get like, Pierce Brosnan was a bit fun. He was a bit cheeky. feel like Daniel Craig's a bit more serious. Okay, I'm looking at them all. Pierce Brosom was actually a bit of a babe too. Yeah, I think that, I reckon you could make an argument. They're all babes.

They're all babes. I kind of like their stances also feel like they... Matt's showing us a picture of the ball. Yeah, okay, that's a good point. Yeah, because you're talking about their stance. He's showing us a picture. So I reckon Timothy Dalton's a... Yeah, he looks pretty suave.

He's a hunk, but I quite like how our man Lazenby is standing. It's like it's kind of like... It's very cash, isn't he? Cash. No, I still, I think Daniel Craig in that one, he looks so like... Is that because in the photo, they've all got tiny guns, except Daniel Craig, who's standing... It's like an AK-47 or something. AK-47 style, machine gun in one hand, button top open, no bow-tie.

All the others have got bow-tires. Most of them are holding their guns with two hands, like they're little pissy guns with two hands. Yeah, they're small, and he's got the biggest gun. He's holding it one-handed. That's hot. So you love a man with a gun. I love a man. If I show you this picture again. I love a man.

If I showed you this picture again, would you be surprised to know that only one of them is holding with two hands? Well, was I wrong? I said most, didn't I? Which one is it? Is it? Hang on, I know, I know, I know, I know. It's Connery, isn't it? It's Pierce.

Fuck! Fuck! Connery's holding his elbow. Fuck. So is George. Anyway. A real man held his elbow and I always hold my elbow. I respect that.

That was a weird, we really needed video footage for that little. bit to work. Anyway, we'll upload the photo. So after, after Brosnan, we're up to Craig, right? Yes.

His first film was Casino Royale, which obviously They brought back. Yeah, got the rights back. And it sounds like it was a kind of complicated deal that happened and there were court cases involved.

Sony were trying to start their own Bond series, I think. Because they had the rights to Casino Royale and they wanted to make, because, you know, be able to make spin-offs of that. They sort of had the right to it, but in the end, MGM, who, MGM Goldmire or whatever,

um, went up against them because they have the rights to the rest by, with Eon and some complicated deal, or maybe not that complicated, but I'm not sure. Uh, in the end, the way it went was Sony, um,

had to pay MGM, um, a five million because of, they lost that case. But in that deal somehow, Sony sold the rights of Cassina Royal to MGM for 10 million. So they made 5 million but lost the rights of the movie, which it sounded like they weren't going to be able to do much with anyway.

Yeah, okay. Because Sony's keen to make franchises. They want to make movies with spinoffs. Right. I mean, the scheme of things, $5 million is nothing if you're making five James Bond movies. Totally. These days the budget is like 200 million plus. Insane, yeah.

It's trump change to them. I don't know if it's a popular opinion on it, but I love Casino Royale. I love it. I'm going to talk briefly about it now. So Casino Royale, the Daniel Craig version, was the third on-screen portrayal of the novel. Cassina Royal, after the ones we talked about earlier, the 1995 Black and White TV movie and also the 67 parody with Woody Allen. It was also the first film to be based on a Fleming story since 1987's The Living Daylights. So now, like, most of the modern movies are just made for the film.

Sure. Some of them are novelised afterwards. But all these books that are being written by the new novelists, they're not being turned into movies, which is interesting to me. So they probably just hire a screenwriter to think of a new story. Yeah. Yeah. They just exist in a movie world now and they'll go back to being novelized by a writer afterwards.

Yeah, sure. Which is sort of interesting. It's sort of like, why don't they base them on the novels that are still being written. Yeah, I don't know. There's so many to choose from. But obviously, it just doesn't have the same pool

as a Fleming story. And this film also marks the reboot of the series where Craig portrays a less experienced bond. It's almost like going back to... Yeah, so it starts again. He gets his double O at the start of the movie. Yeah, he earns his double O.

Yeah, which is really... And the opening is awesome. So good. But then... Are you going to talk about the follow-up movie? Only a name. Because quantum of solace is an absolute disappointment

The story sucks It's really short It's not good But And I gave up And then Skyfall Oh my God

Skyfall is so good Possibly the best James Bond movie Right It's so good Ralph finds Oh he's great Fuck me He's so good

Have you seen Skyfall Matt Have you seen Skyfall Mattie Maddy Madie we've got to watch Which is the one where someone's in it They're in like a Farm house

People really like that one And I fell asleep during it. Inglaries bastards. No, I think you're thinking of Skyfall. Yeah, there was a scene in there and it was almost like a hostage, not a hostage sort of, that was hiding out there. Yeah, that's Skyfall. They go to Skyfall.

That's the one you reckon's good? Yes. I fell asleep in that. Great. Yeah, but I was tired. God, that was great. And Havier, Baddam is one of the best bad guy. And he pulled to some of his face.

Oh my God. He is incredible. He's so spooky. There's that, that first scene where he's introduced and it's just that really long shot of him just walking, is one continuous shot. is he gets closer and closer to the screen. Oh my God, so good. He talks about his mother's farm and rats on an island. Yeah, I think that's the movie.

But I just, I don't think I saw it all because I fell asleep. But it's interesting because I didn't, I'm like, oh, it's pretty good. But I think you've got, it feels like Star Wars. You've got to have been into it as a kid. Maybe, yeah. And really, and there's some nostalgia with every time you see it, I reckon. I saw Skyfall at the movies three times. And I've never do that with films.

I never go to the movies. We made me go twice a year. Yeah. So I saw it twice with my girlfriend because she is not a Bond fan mat, but she loved that one. Yeah. So we saw it again. And then my dad said, oh, do you want to go? And I'm like, oh, yeah, that's right.

I see it every time with my dad. So I didn't tell him. And we went. And the credits are playing. And my dad's a lifelong Bond fan. He turns to me and goes, I reckon that was one of the best Bond films I've ever seen. And I went, I know. I've seen it three times.

He was like, what? Oh, that's so good. That's an last moment. Yeah, it was really cool. And he was like, what? And then we saw the latest one, Spector, which was pretty good. And at the end, he was like, have you seen that twice before? I'm like, nah, nah.

Oh, fuck, I forgot Spector existed. Did you see that one? Yeah, I have seen Spector, and I've already forgotten it. I need to rewatch Spector. Apparently, that one's quite good. It's pretty good. It's better than Quote. Oh, yes.

Actually, I really like the new Q. Young Q. Oh, yes. I really like Q. And Q is the character that gives the gadgets? Yes, and it was John Cleese at 1.1. Right. Before that was like, this actor Robert Luwellon for about, like 15 movies.

It was so good. But you know what? I think you're absolutely right in a sense there, Matt. I know that you've probably got a lot more to talk about. Not a lot more. But I think you're absolutely right in that whether it's something that you have to watch as a kid and then a new form a love for it. But it's definitely sentimental.

Like it has to be. I reckon I watched the Pierce Brosnan ones probably with my family. And anything that I watched with my family, especially my older brother as a kid I just hold on to now. Like Wayne's World. Not a great movie, but I fucking love it. That's a really good movie. It's so good, right? It's in my top five ever.

My brother and I love it. My brother and I watch that together, like, all the time. Yeah, I think that's an awesome movie. Yeah, it's great. So with the Daniel Craig Bond movies, my ex-boyfriend and I used to love Casino Royale, and like every couple of months we would watch it. Like, it would be like, what do you want to do tonight? Let's watch Casino Royale.

We just watch it all the time. We loved it. It's funny. It's awesome. So, like, that was Daniel Craig's first movie, and so I've just loved all of the ones he's done since. I did see, I saw one of them at the cinemas, one of the Daniel Craig ones, and all I, the only moment I remember from it is, like, the camera is following them right and then they fall through like a glass ceiling but the camera

just is locked onto their angle so when they fall over the camera follows them and it's just like the whole screen is like it flips down what movie's that one oh i don't know i don't remember i just remember that moment going wow i think it might have even been the disappointing one quantum of solace maybe that or the first one anyway this is just probably pretty dull we just turn into a fan The best is when in Casino Royale, he gets poisoned, and then he has to go out to the car to defibrillate himself, and he can't plug it in properly, and they're trying to look, they're talking to him through the car,

and like, you've got to plug it in, ah, and then he, like, he dies, and then Vesper resuscitates him because she came out, and he's like, oh, are you okay? And she's like, what, you just died? And then he gets back into play poker again, and the bad guy who tried to kill him, who's surprised that he's there, and James is like, sorry, that last hand almost killed me.

So good. It's classic bond. That was that Madge Mickelson, that guy's, the chiefe. The cries tears. He was a really... He was a good... I just said he cries tears. We all do, mate.

He cries blood. Can you... Like, it's probably too much for a not-of-a-lifelong fan to imagine someone who cries tears, but this guy does it. You wouldn't believe. Oh, my head, man. So you kind of touched on this earlier day, which I was laughing at the Bond people. But you...

You added yourself as one. When Craig was announced as the new 007, the fan backlash was extreme. Apparently, they protested that he should have been disqualified by his blonde hair alone. Yes, I was with him. But also, like, I mean, you couldn't possibly dye his hair or anything. But also, because he was too bland of an actor to play the suave Bond. Agreed. He is kind of bland. But you said it works really well.

That's the funny thing with nerds. It's like, I mean, everyone's sort of nerds. I actually learned from that to disqual. Like the next one, I would give them a go. That's funny, yeah. If they cast someone who I thought would be terrible, I'd still be like, I'll watch it because I thought that he would be awful and he's great. It's funny because it's hard.

Even, I reckon he had, it must have been so good to overcome that. Because I reckon when people shut their mind off to something, they'll often dislike it if it's line ball. But it has to be so good to turn people over from going, I know this is going to be shit. Because you have to say, I was wrong. and that's hard for your brain to do, I reckon. That's true, yeah.

Especially if it's something that is subjective like that. If it's objective, it's sort of like, all right, yeah, that definitely says the number two on the screen. I can't. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I said it couldn't be done, but I'm looking at it too. That's true, yeah. That's two. So despite the nerds and their backlash, the film proceeded,

and when it was released, it was met with universal acclaim. and he's gone on to successfully I mean this is all redundant now because we've talked about it but he's gone on to successfully play the role in three more films. Quantum of Solis which was disappointing. Skyfall which was meant to be

so good. One of the best ever and Spector which was meant to be quite good. There's plenty of... There's plenty of lists that rank the movies online and they're all sort of you know they're all bit different

but Skyfall is towards the top Skyfall. I loved Skyfall. Goldfinger is Sean Connery's best one too. Goldfinger. Shirley Bessie In an interview shortly after I'm almost

I'm wrapping up here In an interview shortly after Spector rapped He famously said that he would rather slash his wrists than do another Bond movie What? But more recently he backtracked from that comment Saying They say that shit sticks

Well that definitely stuck It was the day after filming stopped on Spector I'd been away from home for a year Boohoo It's a good gig it. Everyone's a bit tired. As far as I'm concerned, I've got the best job in the world. I'll keep doing it as long as I still get a kick out of it. If I were going to stop doing it, I'd miss it terribly. Oh, that's good. Because I like him.

But it's still not clear whether or not he will be back next year. He hasn't locked it in. They're keen, but apparently the producers are panicking a bit and it's putting the next movie in a bit of turmoil. But he's still odds-on favorite to be back for at least one more. And you know what? I think what we can learn from the James Bond entire series is that it's always hard when there's going to be a new one. Like, yeah, I remember Daniel Craig and I was like, come on, this is going to be shit. And he's great. Because it's such big news that it's on the news that night announced.

And you're like, what? And you learn to love that bond. But, you know, when there's a new one, I will be open to it. But it is funny. Yeah. I reckon that's a way more fun way to live is to go, oh, this is exciting. It's a new chapter. I can't wait to see what this is like

rather than be like, oh, this is going to be shit, a better, yeah. Yeah, it's pretty negative way, isn't it? Because like the movies themselves, they're just those fun action movies where there's heaps of explosions and fight scenes and it's so over the top. You're like, this is all bullshit.

He should have died eight times and the movie's been going for six minutes. For me, that's always been the weirdest thing for a movie like Austin Powers is the parody of James Bond. But James Bond is kind of a parody in itself. Yeah. He has, like, often they have like,

in jokes, they look at the camera, the names are silly, and exploding pens. Like, it's all kinds of crazy, silly stuff. Oh, man, I read this, I read about a, there was a bunch of different sort of, um, uh, Bond movies made by other makers. It were just, they weren't Bond movies, but they were, you know, they were Bond movies.

You can tell they were rip off. And one of them was done by, in Italy. And they got Sean Connery's brother to play the character with a different name. No. And apparently was, it was awful. Well, no, he's, Yeah, his name was whatever, Connery. I think he, at the end of the movie, the bad guy or the boss probably said something like,

not bad, not bad, because he'd save the day, not bad, almost as good as your brother, Sean Connery, or something like that. And then they'd turn to the camera and wink or something. That's so bad. In case you didn't get it. I was trying to look up on Netflix what Bond movies are, because I was like, I want to go home and watch James Bond. Yeah, this has definitely made me. more interested. And I'm sure it's the kind of thing you've just got to get in the right mindset.

Like, you know, I was talking about being, the nerds being negative about a new one. I'm sure I'd do that just about the whole series. Yeah, right. I just silly, but it's just fun. It's just fun. You just have to go on with the right frame of mind. But I also think why people are so negative about new ones is probably because they're just really protective of a thing they love.

Absolutely. Yeah, they don't want someone to come in and fuck it up and they assume that someone will because they love it so hard that they don't trust. Like, it's hard to give away that trust to some. And they're usually new directors and stuff like that as well. That was me with the Hunger Game series. Like, you've got to fuck this up. And they kind of did.

No, it was fine. Anyway, that was an irrelevant point. So that's basically the end of my report. I've got some what I've called Fun Facts Question Mark. Great. I don't know if they are super fun. You did mention talking about the songs. Yes, I was going to do that right at the end as well.

Great. Sorry to jump in there. I'm just really excited to talk about it and sing. There was the other comments I'm just going through the other comments It came through on the people who voted on this topic One of them said why did George Watts's His Face do only one movie Oh there we go

You answered that one Oh another guy's gone Because he wanted to bond with his kids Someone said especially if you talk about the different parts of Bond And how they belong to other people Which I think we sort of did But also about Jimmy Bond Jimmy Bond.

Oh, and he also asked for more Sean Conner Impressions. We did not do very many of those. There you go, Dave. But Jimmy Bond, I've looked up Jimmy Bond. Have you guys heard of Jimmy Bond? Is that a kids series? Apparently it's a character from the X-Files.

Oh, I thought there was also like a kids James Files. First appearing in the episode called Bond. Jimmy Bond. Oh, lol. Can you describe him? He's a fictional character. You're an X-Files fan. Oh, I love it.

Seen them all. Cool. From the lone gun. The Bondman and The X-Files. So two different sci-fi shows, some sort of crossover. Oh, yes, I do know Jimmy Bond. He made one appearance in the X-Files. Okay, and he's like the doofus in the Lone Gunman, which is an X-Files spin-off.

Yeah, that's him, yeah. Can you, because I didn't look into him, I didn't miss that comment until now. Can you tell us anything about him? Oh, he's just... For that listener? He's just sort of like a silly character. It's just a silly character. It's just a silly ball.

I think that's enough. I think he'll be happy with it. I think you'll tick that one off. I love the lone gunman. I love the X-Files. That's interesting. You have a lot in common with some of our listers, obviously.

Because they're all a pack of nerds. Here's a fact. I don't think this is super fun, but the immortal catchphrase Bond, James Bond, was first used in the novel Cassina Royale, so I was there right from the beginning. That's cool.

So we'll have a go. The Nems Bond. James Bond. Oh, are we doing accents? It's not like. The guy wanted it. Okay, but do I have to do a Connery or can I just do? You can do a Roger Moore if you like.

Can you do a Daniel Craig? No, I can't. I'm going to try. Connery, what's the Connery where to get me in? Something like, this will get me going, right? Money-pity. No, this one, I think it will get me into the mood and then I'll do the line. Bond.

James Bond. All right. All right, now I'll do the line. Okay. Bond. James Bond. James Bond. James Bond.

James. I love that. Shaken, not stowed. Shake and not stowed. You're kind of like, your voice is so deep, it's like an octave lower than Sean Connery. An octopussy lower. It's one octopussy lower.

That's so funny. James Bond. John F. Kennedy asked Ian Fleming how to defeat Fidel Castro, apparently. Is that a fun fact? Yes, that's a fun fact. So apparently the Bond novels weren't super popular in the USA until, John F. Kennedy

listed from Russia with love as one of his ten favourite books in an interview with Life magazine in 1961 and that brought it to the attention of mainstream America. That's so funny. How cool. Imagine having that much influence. Kennedy met... I assume we do.

Yeah. Hey everyone, to kill the mockingbirds is one of my favourite books. Oh, what's that? It's suddenly one of the best-selling books of all time. That obscure a book. There you go, nailed it. You're welcome.

Kennedy met Fleming at a dinner in 1960. and asked him about overthrowing Fidel, Castro. Apparently Fleming gave Kennedy a bizarre plot that included convincing Castro his beard attracted radiation, causing Castro to shave off his beard and thus totally destroying his mojo. But that would work, though. I mean, we laugh, but that would work.

And he lived until, like, you know, last month because he didn't implement that plan in 1965. That's true. Wow, what a missed opportunity. Can't argue with that. This one's less fun than that probably But M, you know, the name M's the boss Yes

Yes That was the That was Ian Fleming's nickname for his own mum Em I like that I might call my mum M That's funny I actually know because my sister-in-law's name is Emma

And I call her M And it'll get very confusing at Christmas dinner When I say Hey M And they both turn around All right at Christmas dinner I'll call your mum M I think that's

I think that's She'll know Because she knows that I refuse to speak to Emma. We have... After what happened. Yeah, we've got our differences. Yeah, I know.

And that's putting it lightly. She's a human rate of sunshine. Oh, human, something. It can't be said. Dave hates my sister-in-law for some reason. I quite like her. I think she's very nice. What's the name?

Joanne? She's a good lady. Oh, boy. And your brother's a good guy too. Well done, everybody. Hey, just before we go, though, I said earlier, I want to hear your favorite songs. and I found this article, and there's a few of these,

but I found this one on DigitalSpy.com, and it's listed the 23 main tracks at whatever point this was, 2015. There'd be a few that were either nominated or won Oscars. Only two, and it's the last two. Because my favourite is Skyfall. That's the first one to win in Oscar. Was that the first? Fuck yeah, Adel.

Specter this year or last year by... What is his name? Oh, shit. Sam Smith. Sam Smith. Yeah, that was good too. So what was your favourite again? I like Skyfall best.

It's a great theme. It's so good. Skyfall ranks. The Adel one. In this one, it ranks. What is this like most popular? No, it's just some idiot's opinion. I'd say, I really do like Goldfinger.

Goldfinger. Yeah, Goldfinger. Goldfinger is great, and that is number four. Okay. My favorite, which is probably shows that I, oh, I've got a few. I bet Matt likes the Jack White one, don't he? you. The Alicia Keys.

Jack White and Alicia Keys. Oh, that's a great song. Yeah. It's a really good song. They rank that as the worst. Do they? Yeah.

That's a good one. What do they rank as number one? I'll go through the top few. My other one that I really like, which I've only heard recently because of our friend, Oliver Clark, is a great singer and comedian. Great singer. He sings this sometimes. It's the Tom Jones one.

You know that one? I remember Tom Jones. Oh, yes, yes. Oh. So I really like that. Well, but I've only really heard Oliver Clark's rendition. Here are the top five. Number five, Golden Eye by Tina Turner.

That's 1995. Number four, gold finger. Gold Finger. Number three is a crack and tune. Live and Let Die. Paul McCarton. Live and let die. Yeah, yeah, okay.

That's that. Actually, yeah, fuck, that's a good one. Number two, we have all the time in the world, Louis Armstrong, 1969. Oh, I don't know. That's from the George Lazenby. Oh, yeah, don't know that one. And this is interesting, which goes,

George Lazenby only played James Bond once, but boy, what a movie. On Her Majesty's Secret Service was a cracker across the board. Great Bond Girl in Diana Rig, great villain in Telly Savalas's Blowfield, and the only 007 film that'll legit make you cry, which is probably...

And other people went the other way, and it were like, yeah, so I think, I think overwhelmingly people seem to dislike it, but there are people like... Does it make you cry, tears or blood? Blood. Blood.

Blood like normal people or tears? Like this weird bond villain. This crazy Mads Mickelson. And number one, which is what you joked about earlier, Gerand, Geran's a view to a kill. No. Durand ran number one. So it makes me feel like,

listening to what you guys have said, this might be a poorly constructed list. But... Hey, but it's subjective. And that person is allowed to have that opinion. I agree. And I think it would be really... It's really nice to hear listeners feedback on if you do have a favourite tune.

Favorite movie, favourite tune, favourite tune, favourite actor. I'd love to hear all three. That would be amazing. And you can get into contact with us. Get into contact. Get into contact. Get into bed with us. But also get in contact with us.

I didn't agree to that. I definitely did. When I said ass, I was talking about me and Dave. Cool. I was going to say me, but Dave, while I was bringing my thumbs to my chest, he agreed. He agreed. So I brought it to me and him. at do go on pod on Instagram and Twitter

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but yeah I'd love to hear feedback about the Bond thing and maybe if there are any other Super Bond fans are there I'd love to know where I should start if I'm going to try and get into it what's a movie that you could convert

a guy's a bit skeptical about it I reckon Casino Royale because it's like starting the franchise again Daniel Craig is great yep shot well the opening is awesome so we'll suck you in

and then it's just a great film Yeah, I agree. I might try and watch it and see how that goes. I agree. Can I watch it with you, but just watch you the whole time? Yeah, of course. Great. I'd expect nothing less.

And you just hear Jess going, huh? Huh? But I've also, like, because I've seen it. Such pressure. I've seen it so many times I would be saying all the lines with them as well. I'm bleeding chips. Oh, man, Felix Lydie. Felix is the best.

Felix Laiter. He's a recurring character as well. I'm bleeding chips. This has become a long episode. Hey, I, well, no, I think that's part of all of us. our problem. Mainly me, maybe, because I did the report. But before we go, we like to thank some of our Patrients.

Patriol. Patrons. At the end of each episode, it's part of the deal. People, if they subscribe to a certain level or something, I don't know, Dave. Don't figure that shit out. Get to hear three people, maybe say their name. It's very exciting. It is cool, but I really appreciate getting to thank people by name.

It's cool to thank you properly, yeah. And I'll kick it off. We've got three names here. Rowan Epstein Rowan! Oh, we've definitely sent you a Christmas card, I remember it well. Yeah, I remember writing that one.

Great guy, he's in the Seanberg group. Rowan Epstein. Thank you, Rowan. Big Rowan fan. You're an absolute star. I reckon he is genuinely a star and shining brightly in the night sky. A frequent contributor and supporter.

Just an all-round good guy. Kind of person that I would love to have in bed with me and Dave. I was thinking he could come and we're and watch one of the Bond movies, but... Okay, well, you've all made it weird now. Somebody that I would really like to thank is a very good friend of ours as well.

And a big supporter. Big, big supporter, but not just of the podcast, of us as humans. Oh, mum? Which is lovely. Close. It's Emily. Ah, yes, are you very close, Patrient?

Very close Patrient. So we want to say, thank you. Thank you, Emily. Thank you, Lale. Thank you, L.A. I think she actually gave us one of our early topics about tattoos. Yes, I do remember her giving us that topic. So thank you.

Emma, you're an absolute bloody gem. Love this. Now, where do I start? Where do I start? A frequent tweeter, freaking supporter. A man that lives in Scotland. They're on Twitter is Electric Kiwi. Very confusing.

He's only got his first name here, but I know him well enough from social media that I think I can just have a go at the full name here. It is Ross, and I believe it is Russ Barber Smith. Correct. And Ross, I would like to thank you for everything you do.

Ross. That was a big three this week. Yes, huge. Very exciting. Frequent collaborators. Thank you so much. Electric Kiwi. We appreciate that.

You're the best. You're the best, Ross. Thanks so much, you guys. What a bloody pleasure. Ross. I don't know how you would say it in Scottish. Have we not started the year with a real bang? Oh, boy.

Yeah, actually, that's a good one to start with. I'm sorry I got quite passionate at No, I'm glad you did. It makes me really excited. Because when I got it, I was overwhelmed because I'm like, oh, people care so much about this. I don't. And I hopefully, but it's funny how close I get to the topics when I do a report about it. I now feel involved in Bond and I reckon when I see another film, I'm going to be right into it.

Just because I'm sort of like, sucked up so much of the backstory. Yeah. Well, definitely. So thank you so much, Alex Kossi for the suggestion. Thank you, Alex. And the voters who voted it up. You go home and watch Casino Royale. I'm definitely in the mood for a bond.

I might start with Casino Royale. Might just go straight to Skyfall because I just fuck I'm in the mood for Skyfall. But I also don't really remember Spector for some reason. I'm going to watch that again. I'm going to watch Goldfinger. Oh, interesting choice. Yeah, okay. Love it.

Please text me. I will. I'll text you updates. Yes, please. In quotes. January would love to hear what people's favorite songs and bonds are. Yeah. So please do get in contact.

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