Do Go On - 66 - Jack the Ripper

Episode Date: January 25, 2017

Jack the Ripper, a gruesome and mysterious murderer from the 1880s. Matt does his first serial killer report, it's pretty full on at times but somehow the episode is still a pretty funny one. Tune in and let us know what you think!Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPod  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Melbourne and Canada, we've got exciting news for you. And we should also say this is 2026. Jess, what year is it? 2026. Thank God you're here. Right now, I'm in Melbourne doing my show with Serenji Amarna 630 each night at the Cooper's Inn Hotel, having so much fun. We'd love to see you there. Canada, we are visiting you in September this year.

If you've somehow missed the news, we are heading up Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal and Toronto for shows. That's going to be so much fun. Tickets for all this stuff, I believe, are online. And I'm here too. To another episode of DoGo. On my name is Dave Warnocky and I'm here with the magical, I was going to say Trio, but that's all of us. The magical duo, Matt Stewart and Jess Perkins. Ooh, magical.

If you had to pick one power, what would it be, superpower? Um, uh, oof. I have always thought probably like being able to teleport. Oh, that's good. You'd save so much money on travel and not just like international travel, but also just like getting to work. I could get out of bed. Ten minutes before work.

Bop, I'm there. And you wouldn't have to get out of bed. You'd teleport out of bed. Oh, yeah, you're right. Well, I'd probably still have to get dressed. So I'd have to get out of bed and get dressed. No, teleport into your clothes. Wow.

If you had your clothes hanging up, hanging in sort of Wallace and Gromit style contraptions, you're inside. I reckon I'd get that Wolverine thing where you can heal. Fast healer. You don't even injure yourself that often. That would be fine if you were just like a stunt man or something. Yeah.

But you're a stand-up comedian. What injuries do you? you have besides bruised egos yeah exactly no matter how high your bum you walk out of they're thinking nailed it I killed that I don't know I can't like because I went through a few of my head and then I'm like teleporting sounds fun but I reckon I'd end up abusing it you know like I'd end up being really shit at life because I'm like uh you know I'm meant to be at this meeting or something I can't I'll teleport there in a minute I end up being late anyway I And then I'd just end up, you know, killing myself somehow.

Okay. With the teleporting. Did you accidentally teleport into an airplane engine? Well, have you... Oh, no! Have you seen that it's a snap? It's like an ad for a TAFE or a uni in Australia. It's quite, it went quite viral a couple years ago.

And they're doing it, it's a snap. You know, it starts as one of those fun uni sort of videos where it's so easy. It's a snap. And now we're in the bar. You know, and it's a snap and I'm in the lecture theatre or whatever. And it goes on and then it's a snap and he ends up like impaled on a stairwell. What? Yeah.

It's pretty fun. Check it out. What's that an ad for? For a university. It's an ad for anti-teleportation. But now, see, you know you're making me, yeah. See, that ad worked. But I just sort of thought airfares are really expensive.

What about flying? Yeah, but then I'd have to. You have to fly. And also like, how fast can I fly? Faster than a plane? Yeah, like Superman fast. I mean, you're choosing. So anyway,

my one, I don't know. I thought you're going to say the Wolverine claws. I was like, that's weird. Yeah, the Wolverine one.

What? Like cat like claws to kill people with? I mean, what other options are there? Or like hunt animals. I should have something ready to go.

What about you, Dave? Probably the ability to turn anything into blue cheese. Imagine that. Oh, yeah. Do you really like blue cheese? I love blue cheese.

Okay. This is the difference between me and Dave. That's very expensive. Whenever an opportunity comes up for some sort of question or something on this show, Dave's got a joke. And I'm like, yeah, what would be the best? He's like, this fucking a comedy thing. Just say anything.

Yeah, but what are the issues involved with blue cheese? I mean, it's good, Dave. I mean, teleportation. I mean, there's so many risks involved. You are no fun. Yeah, if I do the calculations. But that's okay because you're like the grumpy dad. on the podcast and we're the fun young kids who just we're the dreamers look um it all changes now

we stop dreaming yeah i'm gonna bring you guys down well i think that's a fun way to start yeah all right um my secret power oh that's not even the word is it see how much i'm fucking with it my secret power yeah your secret power is uh turning back time into cheese blue cheese oh okay you can Turn back time into cheese. If I could turn back time into blue cheese. Yeah. That's what I want to do.

So what, you reverse time and suddenly everything is blue cheese. No, you turn back time into cheese, Dave. Back time. You know when you go to the gym and sometimes it's arm time. Sometimes it's leg time. Never skip back time. That's what I say. So the more reps you do on your back, the more blue cheese you have for dinner.

That's gross. Not on your back, Jess. Still gross. Like toe cheese? Oh, for fuck sake, Dave. It's back cheese. David. No, it's not like that.

Okay, question for you that. Chief. This cheese, just, you open the fridge and it's there because you've had a really good back time. I don't want blue cheese. Let me talk about toe cheese for a second. No. Let me just pose your question. Hey, let's get on with the episode.

It's a really good topic today. If you discovered that it was the best tasting thing in the world, would you eat it? No. See, blue cheese is disgusting anything about it. It's like mouldy cheese, but it tastes amazing. No. I would eat toe cheese. I'm just putting you out there.

Oh my God. It's the question that everyone wants to know. I would eat toe cheese and I would enjoy it and it would be my superpower number two. I feel, you would give you the number two's. I feel really unwell right now. Stop it. I don't want to talk about cheese. Hey, you guys.

Should we get on with this show? Oh, God, yes. All right, question about. Back cheese. So the way it works, Dave, is on this show, do go on. I'm too distracted by cheese to the show. to describe it. You take the reins, Matt.

Come on. You explain it. So the way it works is we do a topic about a thing. The thing is the topic and it's different every week. Regretting letting Matt do this. Generally speaking, it's a listener suggested topic. The way I do mine now is I put three suggestions out of our topic hat that have been submitted from the people and put them up on a poll for our Patreon subscribers.

to vote and this week we hit a certain mark on our Patreon whatever so it meant that our most requested ever topic hashtag keen for pain um went up into the poll if we hit a certain amount we promised that people could vote on the topic hashtag keen for peen where did where did that start i don't even remember what episode that was someone hashtag keen for pain yeah it was around hot for tut time but it wasn't hot for tut. It was back when I was really into hashtags. Yeah, you were very good at it briefly. I've given up, okay, well don't.

That was your superpower. Yeah. I reckon for maybe two or three weeks in a row. I've not necessarily lost. But you've given very little. Okay, well, that just, maybe I've just changed focus. It doesn't mean I don't have that skill still. Oh, that's good.

Hashtag, skill still. Thank you. Hashtag toe cheese. It's not what Dave. Dave's no good at it. Nobody tweet toe cheese. So everybody tweet Toeathease to at Jess and it's called Birken. Fuck you.

That's not... I'm going to edit that out because you're a asshole. Are you calling me some sort of cheesy toe? No, I'm not. I never would. Oh. You're worse than that. Even worse.

That's toe cheese to at underscore Jessberg. So this week, one of the topics that went into the hat was keen for pain. Normally I don't tell you... What does that mean? Well, it was going to, you know, going to be up to me, whatever I wanted to... I love it. Or whoever had... Had to do it.

It was me. It was always going to be me. It's going to be me. The other possibilities were the magic school bus and Jack the Ripper. Oh. Good topic. Ripping topics, I'm concerned. Well, so my question you is, in what order do you think people voted for those?

I think, because knowing our listeners. I can tell you the percentages. Okay, good. Sure. 52.6%. Oh, it's close. 52.6, that's over half in a three horse race. Then 27.6, that's a pretty big difference.

And 19.7%. Okay. But 52, like I honestly thought that one of these topics would maybe get in the high 80s. Yeah, well, I mean, because they're good topics. Some could argue that Matt was worried about doing King Vapin, so put in purposely two good topics to try and sway the listeners. They're all good topics in the half. I plucked them out.

Well, that's the question. We know our listeners. Everyone listening probably already knows because they looked at the title of the episode. We know our listeners and they love for serial killers. I know. But that said. They love for pain. Yeah.

They do like pain. And their love of school bus based 90s cartoons. I'll also be a little bit sad. Keenness for penis. I'll also be a little bit sad if somebody else gets to do a serial killer episode. You've got the Monopoly on that. So you've got three. So you know the three.

What's the order? What do you reckon it is, Jess? Starting at three. At three. Least popular. What was the lowest percentage? 19.7. So, magic school bus. I agree with that. Okay.

And second. Keene for pain. No, I think Jack the Ripper. And first. Jack the Ripper. And... Keene for Paine. Toe cheese.

Wasn't an option, Dave. Sorry. No. I think the 52% of the people would have gone for Keen for Paine. All right. So, one of you... was wrong on all of them. Neither of you were right on all of them either.

What? All right, can we have another? Does that mean it's magic school bus is the winner? One of you was wrong for all of them and the other one was right for some of them. We could sit here and work it out, but that would be so dull. So the second, in second place I'll give you the magic school bus, 27.6. So one and three. Oh no

It's the way around Three Peen for Paine Number one was Jack DeRipper That's what I said Yes that's right I know I said one of you was right

No you said one of you was wrong And one of you was right on some of it Was right on all of it No I didn't say that Luckily we're recording this Guys that is another episode Of the world's worst game show Thank you tune in next week

This is the host getting it wrong And the listener of the contestant going No, that's wrong. I won the cut. I'm so sorry. You were right, but you weren't entirely right. Dave was got every single one of them wrong. And you got some of them right.

Oh, because I said... I said Magic School Bus was really the third. I do beg your pardon. I'm so sorry. You just said I got everyone on. I would like to say that the listeners got it wrong. You fucked it. No, Jack the Ripah, cool.

It was the lowest. Keene for Paine was the lowest. Keene for Paine. I don't want to hear it. It will never go on the hat again. You fucked it, Patreon. You fucked it. You fucked it.

out another time. That's it. I'm doing it next week. I want to talk about team. It's funny though. Funny looking dicks. Because you know how people can, um, people can comment. Oh, people.

People can comment, so. Hashtake funny looking dicks. Sorry, right, what are the comments? Someone said, uh, this one's a shoe in keen for pain slash longing for shlong. Longing for shlong. That's great. for a shlongan. We had someone voted for,

someone voted for Jack the Ripper and their comment was just because I know everyone will vote for Keene for Paine. So they donkey voted. This is what happened at Brexit. They're like, we'll vote. This is Trump all over again. We'll vote because everyone will vote and I want to make a stand against the politicians how they are.

And then everyone with a protest vote. The protest vote backfired. Too many of them. I imagine most of the patron saw the result and we've gone, can I change my vote? Yeah, I want to change. Can we? Someone actually said no comments.

That was worth commenting. I appreciate that. But yeah, a lot of people did say it was very tough, but I think obviously the majority ended up going for Jack the Ripper. Someone did say here, I'm interested to see how Keene for a Pn episode will turn out, but serial killer episodes have been so good, I had to go with Jack the Ripper.

Yeah, but do you think serial killer episodes have been so good because I present them so well? I think that's right. My biggest worry here is that Matt will go skimp on the gore because he's the one that when we finish the episode always goes, I feel weird. Yeah. I feel weird now.

I know. I'm a associate now. Do you know what this guy did? I'm not going into the details of what he's. I want. Well, I'm assuming we're going to find out. I don't know a lot, but like, is he as bad as H.H. Homes who built a specially designed hotel for murdering? Yeah, you definitely do these better.

Look, let's see how we go. Hey, don't start it like that. I'm just kidding. You're going to be great. I believe in you. Someone does want to hear. Dave say, hello, I'm Michael Cain and I am Jack the Ripper.

Hello, I'm Michael Cain and I am Jack the Ripper. I'm going to kill you. They said, please note, this is the only reason I did not select Keene for Peme. But now do, hello, I'm Michael Cain and I'm Keene for Paine. Hello. No, terrible, terrible. Let's go again. Try again.

Hello, I'm Michael Kane and I'm King for Pene. And I'm going to kill you. Great. Oh, wow. How do you feel, Matt? Are you excited? You pumped? Did you enjoy researching this?

Was this fun for you? No, look, it's fine. I found it very fascinating. Did you do it late at night? That's always good. Yeah, I did do it late last night. Yeah, great. It was great fun.

I don't know. I feel bigger pressure on these really popular ones because people would expect it to be good. Anyway, 52% of people think this will be good. Yeah. Anyway, let's crack on. In the late 1880s, Would you have known? I had no idea when it was.

I probably would have said 1800s, yeah, or early 1900s. Well, you would have been right and then wrong. I would have said late 1880s. That's what Dave would have said. Would he have been correct? You would have been bang on. Wow. Good Dave.

I just repeated what Matt said. In the Whitechapel area of London's east end, it was becoming quite overcrowded. There was a lot of migrants coming in from... Big Russia. Is your argument that he did them a favor? He was just doing a bit of a cull. Like when we have too many rabbits. Yeah.

That's what I was getting off the top. There was a lot of people. A lot of people around. What was it? Bigger Russia you called it? Bigger, big old Russia. But yeah, I think there was a lot of Jewish migration because they were getting persecuted across a big chunk of Russia.

They're going to have a great time. that's not what I want to say take that out what does that mean crime became more common so it became a bit slummy around this area in particular it also led to many women

becoming sex workers there were many attacks against the sex workers in this area in the 1980s so at first when these murdered did you mean the 1980s did I say 1980s did I also write

1980s? Yes. I do this every time. I've done this is my third episode about the 1870s or 1880s and every time of, anyway, there were many attacks against women in this area in the 1980s, which is not relevant, so I'll move on, but there are also a lot in the 1880s as well. And due to all these murders at the time, it wasn't... So when you say attacks, people are dying. People are dying, yeah. So, and, and, uh, sex workers are getting killed. And apparently, when the Jack the Ripper murders, this lot of murders started happening,

the first one, they weren't like a huge surprise that it happened. It was just more how fucked up it was, that was the bit that got people's attention. Right. Which is, you know, a funny little liner draw. I mean, they're both pretty, I mean, you killed someone, but at least you didn't do it in a fucked up one.

But even now, like, there are sensational. cases when the crime's particularly horrific that it takes off in the media. Yeah. Yeah, true. I think because we have that sort of fascination with serial killers and nasty stuff. I don't know why. You do and our listeners. A lot of people do.

Matt, you just said you were researching this last night and it was quite fascinating. It was quite fascinating. It is. But I mean, everything is when you read about something, isn't it? I always enjoyed researching these things. Yeah, true. But due to the many murders at the time, it is also unclear how many were actually committed by The Ripper. The Ripper is also a great name.

Oh. Like a good murderer name, you know? Yeah, I think that is part of the cell. Like the Zodiac Killer we had last week, that sounds really cool. Similar to like we're talking about the boxing fights that everyone can remember or just have great names. Yeah, yeah. Thriller in the jungle. Thriller and Manila.

Thriller and Manila. Just cool names. God, that's awesome. Yeah, but like, if you call it... It's all branding. And also, like, Ripper in Australia is like a good thing. Ripper Dipper. Bloody Ripper.

That's great, right? So he's like, Jack the Ripper. He sounds like a cool dude. He's a good guy. Yeah, you'd want Ripper around at your party, wouldn't you? He makes every party fun. Oh, he makes it a bloody Ripper. Yeah.

Oh, you're bringing Jack. Oh, Jack's a Ripper. Which Jack? Oh, Jack. Oh, Ripper, yeah. Ripper, yes. Oh, great. Maybe you'll kill some sex workers.

Oh, hang on. Not that one. We're getting that, Jack's. Oh, God. No, I just mean the one who makes really good hummus. Oh, God, I've invited the wrong one on Facebook. Oh, no. How do you withdraw an invitation?

That's too late, mate. Now we're all going to die. So there were the Scotland Yard or the, I mean, it was, there was a few different police crews who were investigating, but obviously Scotland Yards are the big ones. And their investigation in these murders included 11 murders, included 11 murders and it's not clear how many of them

were done by Jack the Rippers Jack the Rippers There's a couple of people That looks, a new theory I just came up with then As I misspoke And those 11 murders occurred between The 3rd of April, 1888 And the 13th of Feb 1891

So three years Three years But of those 11 There's only five that are generally accepted To be Definitely The Ripper murders. And almost like seeing the other ones aren't.

They're different. Yeah. They don't have his sweet... His M-O? M-O, yes. But then again, I mean, Zodiac killer had different M-Os. He said he had like 38. Yeah.

They're not sure. But yeah, I mean, yeah, but how do you know? How do you know? Yeah. Man, they've got so much power when they're saying, nah, I did more than this. Yeah. Then everything you say is sort of throwing people off the center of his bull.

I think that often happens a lot though they claim, especially when they go to jail forever, they start claiming, oh, I've actually killed 45. Yeah, but you'll never get them. Like, I think it's just a bit of a lust, fuck you. Surely. Because usually they're in jail forever. It's an ego thing.

And they're also like, just trying, they're in, like the Zodiac guy, he was, seemed to be enjoying having the props on the wrong scent. Yeah, like the taunting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool. So those five murders that, Um, uh, called the canonical five.

I haven't read that out yet. I've only read it a million times. The canonical five. Canonical. Is that, would that be right? Fuck, I don't know, but it's amazing. Canonical five? That can't be right.

Canonical. Canonical. How are you spelling it? Canonical. That's not in. C-A-N-O-N-I-C-A-L. I think that's canonical. Canonical, right?

Well, the canonical five. Fuck, I love that word so much. Canonical. Canonical. It's fun, isn't it? I enjoy that a lot. Hey, if you're listening at home, even if you're on a tram or some sort of train or in the car, have a go saying that out loud.

Canonical. Turn to the person on your ride. I'd say canonical. Canonical to meet you. Canonical to you, sir. Okay, and we're back. Great. It sounds like a rejected boy band name.

It's the canonical five. Teenage girls cannot spell that. Even just canonical's pretty cool. Canonical. Sounds like a teen crime. novel. Canonical. Canonical.

Or a sci-fi series. Like an Artemis Fowl thing. Yeah. Canonical. That's cool. I don't know what that means. Hey. Well, that's because you were born in 1880.

You were eight years old. Where were you the first one? Can you give your whereabouts for the night of the canonical five murders? I wasn't born in 1880. It's born in 1883. All right. I round up. No, I ran down.

Oh, boy. I ran down for humor. So yeah, the Ripper's motorso operandi, M-O, is basically just being a fuckhead. But it also includes killing people in a pretty brutal way, a lot of stabbing and gutting, debauling. That's not right, disemboweling. Disemboweling is a... Well, not fully, not always, but he...

A horrible word. I'm using that more than the general sense. know if he always took the bowel out, but he did take, he would, he would take some stuff and he'd, and it was big, like, more brutal than required. Sure. And it was also, like, involving, like, sex places on it. Okay, yep. More brutal than required.

Can you give me the minimum brutality required? I mean, the minimum would be to just kill them. Kill them. So no disembelling at all. Yeah. Are you serious? That's the minimum, Dave. I mean, you're asking for the minimum.

All right, well, what's the maximum? The maximum. How much disemboweling? Just wearing their skin as a cape. As a bowel. I don't. I'm not enjoying myself. We're wearing their bowel as a cape.

I'm a superhero. Balman. Bowman, flapping in the wind. There was a heavy metal band in a, I think they were a Melbourne heavy metal band in the 90s called Balmau. And I always thought that was a great metal name. That's pretty good. I think canonical is a good metal band name. Canonical.

Canonical bowel. Sorry about that. I've just got a canonical bowel at the moment. I've got on antibiotics. It's alright. I just can't drink much. It plays up my canonical bow. Oh, God.

More than two beers in and you'll know about it. You'll smell it. You'll all smell it. What a threat. You'll all smell it. You'll see and smell. You'll live to regret my canonical bowel. You went from me like,

A friend at the bar at Sunday who just isn't having a big one Because you're not feeling well To like an evil villain like you'll all see Fuck you It's like Dave we just having a beer man It's fine Sorry I get touchy about my carnicle bow Don't get touchy around your bow

The first victim in the Whitechapal murders So this is what they're sort of broadly termed at that stage The Whitechaple murders was Emma Smith This wasn't one of the canonical Five This was the first one in this political lease file. Sure.

So her name was Emma Smith. She was robbed, abused, and left for dead in Osborne Street, Whitechapel on the 3rd of April, 1988. 1888. For fuck sake. I've genuinely... Are you written a letter? I am.

I think I might be the only person who was ever affected by the millennium bug. I can't handle the century changing. It just everything clicks around a 19ian Oh my fuck's sake We are in 1916 right No Maddie We're not even in the 20th century We're not even in 2016

It's such a weird thing for me to be stuck in It's quite a while ago Oh boy We've lost him So but Smith didn't die at this I was worried that you guys might not have been able to be cheerful amongst all this death But that hasn't been an issue

Not a problem at all Because unlike you, we know they've been dead for 130 years, not just 30 years. I'm still mourning the loss. God, it was in a decade where I was alive. He's still out there. We could catch him. Dave and I are like, long gone. They don't exist.

So she didn't die at the scene. She was found alive and taken to hospital. So she was able to describe her attackers to the police. And there were reports that she said that it was either two or three men. and she died the following day. Oh, awful. Apparently, one of them, a teenager as well, so just fucking, I mean, it's all fucked. Oh, it's all fucked.

And yes, we're able to make fun of it, but it's still awful. Of course it is. It's horrendous. But it's because it's so far, it's so long ago, sometimes it can kind of feel like it's just a plot from a movie. Hey, these could have been your great, great grand... It could have. Maybe. I don't know.

Yeah, I have no disrespect. God. and bring it to my attention. So that murder is often linked to the later murders, but not, it's generally seen as not being canonical. Well, there was three dudes. Three dudes for starters. But not many of the other, or none of the following ones ever were able to speak to the victim.

So, yeah, I mean, maybe the all of them have three. Yeah, who knows? And that's the funny thing what I think about when people are like, I've got an alibi then. It's like, yeah, but if you're working in a team or something, you've got an alibi for one murder

and a serial killers run of murders. It's like, what if you were switching around or whatever? Yeah. I don't know. Team work, hey, how about it? Yeah.

It really is better. I think, but isn't there one, a general rule that serial killers tend to do their fucked up stuff alone? Although not in Smith's case. Well, they're usually not very mentally balanced, so they're probably not the best people to work in teams.

But then again, On their resume. Couples do it sometimes. It's also just less work. It's sort of like how on this podcast, because there's three of us, you only have to do work every third week. Do you know how much quicker it is to disembow someone with three people?

So much faster. I mean, you only have to disembow one in three. One every three weeks. Oh, it's so good. That's great. But you have to disembow three people to get three capes. So for two murders, one person, well, until the third murder, one person is walking around with no cape while their friends have one,

which is very, you have to work at the hierarchy. With the cape thing. I don't want to know. I mean, obviously you're a smaller man. Yeah. Do you need a smaller bow? Yeah. Cape?

Oh, the bow must fit. If the bow fits. If the bow fits. As the old sang goes. That's why they had to kill 11 people to get three boughs that fit. Right. Okay. They had rejected boughs.

Every time they left a bow, That's because it didn't make a good cape. Right. Obviously, there's a bit of collateral damage here. An ill-fitting bow. But eventually, there were three well-fitting boughs. Bale capes. And they are the canonical trio of bails.

Case solved. Next, magic school bus. Came for pain. The next murder was that of Martha Tabram, who was killed on George Yard on the 7th of August 1888. So a few months beyond Smith. He said the year-ro. That was good, Matt.

I genuinely am just reading it. Good job. I'm an anchor man, man, Ron Burgundy. I'm Ron Burgundy? Tabram was stabbed 39 times. So I would call that. Excessive. Excessive.

That's more than needed. Okay, I'd agree. A couple of stabs will probably do it. A couple of stabs in the right place would probably do it. Yeah, so what do you think the minimum is two? No, well, I think the bare minimum is one. Oh. One well-placed stab.

So this is 39 times the bare minimum. Yeah. Wow. Done too much work. Too much. But I mean, if it's three people, what does that work? That'll be 13 each. A nice even number because that's what makes sense.

No, that would bother me a lot. You go up to 15 or stop at 10, thank you. 13. No, they're saying it's unlucky. Three times unlucky. Yeah. So the brutality of the murder has some people in the past and even now linking it with the canonical 5,

but the wounds differ greatly from those murders, which has many other experts separating this murderers unrelated. So we're not into the five yet. It's not into the five, no. Wow. So there were a couple in the file of the 11. There were a couple, then there were the five,

and then there was more afterwards. But do you think... Was she the subject of the Beatles song, Martha, my dear? Yes. Got it. Good question. Next question.

You said that there were sex workers being murdered at the time. I don't know if you know this, but was this particularly brutal, even if this is not part of the... canonical fire that someone kills on with 39 stabbled? Yeah, that's full on. I think normally it would be like it's just a, it's a murder. Maybe it's a bit of, like it's not a pre-plan.

Like, I'm coming up. Yeah, so something's gone wrong, you know. You look, you know, I wasn't actually alive and I was born a couple of years after. So I don't remember entirely, but. But this probably would still make the newspaper, right? Someone being stabbed 30 years. Yeah, yeah. So these were, these were newsworthy murders, for sure.

I mean, they probably all did, but they just didn't get the same sort of hype. Imagine if I got murdered and it didn't even make the news. Yeah, you'd be pissed off. That'd be so annoying. Because, like, unless it was a particularly interesting murder, like, I don't, I'm not a celebrity or anything. Like, there's nothing that would be. Yeah, but people get on the news all the time for being murdered. Yeah, but.

Fucking hacks. It's the number one benefit of being murdered. Melbourne podcaster, Jess Perkins, was murdered. You know, it's. See that. Who would care? Melbourne customer care agent. Jess Perkins was murdered.

Uh. Melbourne arsprod. Don't want to you. He was murdered. Melbourne director. Matt Stewart was murdered. Sounds pretty good. Geez.

Front page. 100 year old man. Dies. 100 year old man dies. Life continues. In brackets, slow news day. Nice even number though, Jess. It'd be great to make it 100, wouldn't it?

If I don't. We're so pissed. Okay, so this gets us up to the canonical. Also, do you know what the word canonical means? I think it means like canon, right? Canon is like the... Yeah, canon's like your canon of work. Sure.

So it's his canon. It's like his portfolio? Yeah, I know what you mean? His filmography of murders. Excellent. Do go on. The first of these was Mary Ann Nichol. Her body I'm just sort of going to go through the details

broadly on these. Her body was found in the early morning hours of the 31st of August 1888. The second is Annie Chapman. Annie. Her body was found on the morning of the 8th of September. Like a week later. Yeah, about a week later.

It's a fast mover. She had cuts. Cuts is probably an understatement, admittedly. But she had... She had a scratch. She had them very similar. To her heart. Similar, very similar incisions and cuts and stuff to Nichols.

She was found to have had her uterus removed. And a witness later described seeing Chapman with a dark-haired man approximately half an hour before her body was found. Half an hour, geez. This was quite, yeah. So that's a pretty good bet that that guy might have been the guy. Uteris removed. Can you see how I'm sitting?

Oh. It's like you're protecting. something. My organs, all of them. Dave, you don't have a uterus. I know, but I have organs. You don't have to hold your... Okay, yeah, look after your organs.

P.S., don't treat me differently just because I don't have a uterus. That is pretty offensive. You're absolutely right. I'm really sorry that I even said that. That was really mean of me. The third of the canonical five victims is Elizabeth Stride, who was founded around 1am on the 30th of September. So a few weeks later now.

So three in a month? About a month. Yeah, well, that's the thing. His five are all done quite quickly. Oh, wow. This murder was slightly different to the others is there weren't any abdomen mutilations. Great.

And due to this, some people dispute that Stride's murder should be assigned to the Ripper. Some say that it's different. He didn't, the killer didn't. It shouldn't be. It shouldn't be. It shouldn't be. But then,

It's like a weird art dealer authenticating something. This is not a Van Gogh. There's not enough stab wounds. It is a bit, yeah, it's a bit like that. This is just some sort of cheap knockoff murder. I wouldn't pay more than 10,000 pounds for this murder. I'll take it. But for a real riper, oh, there was at least 10 million pounds.

It's an authentic ripper! Oh my goodness, this is the lost ripper. The thing is actually the canonical six you'll find. A very common theory is that he was interrupted, and that is why he didn't get around to the... How rude. His phone rang. Yeah.

I've really got to take this one. Hey, hi, mum. No, I'm not doing anything. What are you up to? I wonder why in my panty? I just go back from a jog. Apparently, so the man that she was seen with, the guy who saw the man was with some friends,

and there is a bit of conjecture about how he actually looked. Some said light hair, some said dark air and that sort of stuff. So it's, there was a guy, but it's hard to say exactly what his deal was. We've narrowed it down to 50% of the population. That's pretty good. It's all right. We've ruled out late. Well, we ruled out kids.

Yeah. There's obviously some sort of man. He's a man. It's some sort of man. Oh, but unless it's two kids with a trench coat. Not again. With light and dark hair. Yeah.

That makes sense. That does make sense. There we go. We got him. But he did kill this Emma, sorry, Stride. Is her name? Elizabeth. Elizabeth Stride.

Elizabeth Stride. But he did, he got maybe interrupted, but he did still murder this woman. Yes. She did die. She was dead. She was fully dead when found. So I don't want to get too graphic here But most of the time they're dying

And then he's sort of stabbing him more Or like cutting bits out of them Or I think yeah I mean it's all The doctors are fine in the body And these are pretty old school doctors But I think it's hard to tell isn't it

I think it's It'd be hard to guarantee But I think they believe that it was You know All happening I did really Yeah one of them I definitely read the doctor said

That he believed they're alive for all of the stabbings. Oh, I'm really glad I asked that question. Yeah, thanks for that, Dave. I just thought Matt wouldn't be gory enough unless we pushed him, and now I regret everything. Yeah, there's a lot of things in my head that I haven't written down, and I didn't want to, but...

I'm still just holding myself, like, protecting organs. But you're protecting the non-essentials. You've got your bloody heart up there. Yeah, that's better. Nasty's covering her heart. What about your brain? That's not essential. As I've proven in the last 26 years, thank you.

The fourth victim is Catherine Edo's. Edos. Edos. She was also killed in the early morning of the 30th of September. Oh, Tewy. So maybe he interrupted the first one. All right. Okay, I didn't get to finish that one.

I named my cape. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. They need a bowel cape. So Edo's body was found less than an hour after strides. Oh, Jesus. And her body had more of the telltale ripper signs

With a major part of her uterus having been removed Major part A major part, a big chunk of it Oh no But like an hour later Yeah Which means he's just like He's just gone straight on another one

Wow That's sick And I don't mean like yeah sick I mean like gross sick Do you know what I mean? Like the original meaning of the word sick. Sick is a hard, well, sick is a hard word, isn't it? Because that could mean, like, ill, like a cold.

Could also mean, oh, sick, like fun, cool. In this case, I mean sick as in disturbing. Sickening. Sickening, thank you, yes. That's what I was going for. See, brain no work. No, don't need it. You've got a heart.

Oh. The fifth victim of the canonical five. Still such a great phrase. is Mary Jane Kelly. Kelly's mutilated and disembowed body was found in the room where she lived at 10.45 a.m. on the 9th of November 1888. Most of the organs had been removed from her abdomen and her heart was taken from the scene.

No. Wait, so the organs have been removed but just left around? Some of them, yeah. Oh, yeah. But he took the heart. Yeah, there was something left on her shoulder or something weird stuff. on the pillow. Oh, yuck.

So apparently that one was the most fucked of all the scenes. The cops coming in, apparently that was quite, even for like, you know, grizzly old school cops, 1800s cops, it was like, this is fuck. So he's like just grabbing a liver and going, I'll just put that there. Oh, yuck. You don't need this anymore.

Also, I wouldn't know how to remove anything like that. So maybe he's got... Does that mean that they are some sort of surgical... That has been a theory that's come up. I'll talk about it soon. But were the other ones in their own homes? No, all the other ones were out and about, out in the street or out at the back. Were they all sex workers?

Yeah, all sex workers. Just add on the street, like out, like down an alley and stuff like that. Presumably, yeah. But they've all happened, you know, they're overnight sort of stuff. They're all happening late at night. It's still pretty risky. I suppose that obviously number three did get scared. Yeah, that's right.

So. And the last one was. I was in her, on her bed, in her one bedroom apartment sort of thing, or a one room apartment. She should have had two rooms. He could have been in the other room and she could have been safe. I know, yeah. Because that's how it works, right? Yeah, and also.

If you have a second room, it's like a secret room where the killer gets trapped. Yeah. Do you guys have one of those? Yeah, my housemate's room. The killer is trapped in my housemate's room. Where did you live with a killer? Yeah. Is your housemate safe?

Oh, I don't know. I don't know. The killings only happened because there was only one room and just they fought a lot. Oh man, it's claustrophobic in those old England houses. I bet it would have been slummy houses. Oh, God. Sometimes all you have, someone pisses you off and you're just like, well, I'm just going to remove every one of your organs. Then we'll see who will pay the electricity on time next time.

Hmm? Hmm? We're all thinking that. So that was the last of the canonical five murders. Kelly is generally considered to be the Ripper's last victim. The assumption being that his crimes ended. because of his death, imprisonment, institutionalisation or immigration. You know, basically,

right. Basically, no one thinks that he just suddenly realized that killing was bad. Yeah. Oh, hang on. Hang on a second. Oh, no, what I meant to be doing is buying them flowers. I always get those two mixed up. I fucked it again.

Oh, it's like the time I disemboweled mum on Mother's Day. Sorry, Mom. And that was you putting, putting mum on your head. Oh no, it was just you adjusting you. Headphones. I thought you were acting it out. Okay.

It's better. What was I putting on my head? The cape? I thought, yeah. My mum? I thought it was a fuck. But maybe he could have read about himself in the paper and been like, oh, I'm being very misunderstood here.

This is being taken well out of context. This is art. Yeah, I was going to say this art project is so misunderstood. Well, I'm going to move on to painting then, whatever. I thought you said it was crowded. Yeah, I was trying to help. Yeah, I was trying to recycle their parts. As capes.

So here are some things that link the murders together, those five. They're all committed after dark in the early morning hours. They all occurred between Friday and Sunday. Oh, just on weekends. It's a hobby. Yeah. So that's what a lot of people think that he's probably either a professional or something like that. He's got other shit on during the week.

Yeah, which is... He needs his eight hours. He can't be up murdering on a week's night. God, people would catch on when he was tired. I bet he's an accountant just quietly. Yeah, that is a very good view. That makes perfect sense. Yeah, they're always bloody ripping our hearts out, aren't they?

They're always fucking us in the guts. Bloody disemboweling my bank check. You scumbags. So that's the tax department I'm talking about now. Fucking us in the guts. It's all involved. Hashtag fucker the guts. Also, each murder was a little bit more fucked up.

than the one before a little bit more, so maybe growing in confidence or something like that, apart from the one where he was thought to have been interrupted. I also wanted to stop the podcast and acknowledge that the thing that's got... The fine work of tax accounts. No, no, I wanted to actually say the thing that's got the biggest, like, bad reaction so far, out of all the murdering and gutting,

has been toe cheese at the start of the episode. You were like, no, no. Stop talking about that day. Oh, gutting. Oh, that's fine. they're alive. I've been holding my body. I'm like holding my rib cage.

I've been holding my toes for 30 minutes now. I would eat it. I would eat it. Okay. If it tasted that good. Yuck, Dave. And it didn't kill you. Stop it.

There is still a lot of conjecture as to whether the canonical fire victims were, it's so funny if someone knows how that's meant to be pronounced. And they're just increasingly getting pissed off. We said it a hundred times. Canonical. But it sounds great. Like, how else could it be? Canonical.

It sounds like... Canonitial? Cananical? Cananical? No, that's not here. Canonichul. I think it sounds like... Canaanichu.

They use an Italian word to describe the English syracula. One more, Maddie. Canaanichu. That does the best. Like, when you do that accent, you like pull your mouth back in a really... Yeah, you show all your teeth when you do accents. It's so good. It's the same when you say, fashion.

Fashion. It just really bears his bottom teeth It's great Canon of Yishel I think Canonical 5 sounds like A Tin Tin Adventure It sounds like yeah Like an Eden Blighton adventure

Or something like that A different thing but similar So there is still conjecture As to whether the five victims were all murdered by the same killer There was an author Stuart P. Evans And his mate Donald Rumbleau

And they As in they wrote the book together. They wrote the book together. They have said... Definitely not friends, though. Professional acquaintances. All right, acquaintances. Much like us.

Yeah. We worked together for the money. They said that the canonical five is a rip-a-miff. That's a bloody rip-a-miff. That's a real. You read that? With an Australian... What a rip-a-miff.

That is one of the best myths. Hey, what's your favourite myth? My favourite myth? Yeah. Is it the canonical five? is actually the female orgasm. That... Samples where Dave has a joke for something.

Where she would be like, I mean, geez, Lockness is pretty... This is pretty good. Did you talk about the Bermuda Triangle, that was a fun one. Not swimming for half an hour after eating. That's one of my favour. Anyway, they've called it a rhythm, and they reckon that only three of the cases,

Nichols, Chapman and Eddows can be definitely linked together and that they... So it's a canonical trio. That's what they reckon. Canonical three. They are much less certain about Stride and Kelly. Others suggest that the canonical 5 plus tabrum were the work of the Ripper. Oh, canonical 6.

Yeah. So there's a lot of... A lot of... A lot of... Conjecture. Conjecture. Conjecture. Conjecture.

Conjecture. This might surprise you. There was a huge police effort to find the killer. That is surprising. They conducted house-to-house inquiries. Good about. Knocked on some doors. Bit of old school police work.

A bit of this. Hello. Hi there. I'm Constable Barrows from the police. Yes. Do you have a fucking warrant otherwise get the fuck out of here, you piece of shit? Wow. Okay.

Anyway, sorry. Sorry, you're going to just stand there? chatting to my house, mate. Hey, can we get a second room? Why? Don't you like sharing a bed? No. And I also wanted, I wanted to maybe start killing.

You want to kill? Yeah. Are you still here? I said start killing, officer. Yeah, that's right. We are not, if there's a sixth murder, that's us. What did? The canonical five.

So you do know about the canonical five. Hang on. Putting words in my mouth here. Do you hear that? I never mentioned the canonical five. said you wanted to start murdering and then you mentioned the murders that I've come here to ask about it. Yeah, but I mean, you came here and you said, hey, do you want to talk about the canonical fives? The first thing you said when you knocked on the door. I said, I'm constable barriers from the police and you told me I can fuck off.

I don't think so. Do you have a recording of that officer? Yeah, I do. Well, I don't think you do because they don't exist yet. Oh, now you know that I know about them as well. But fuck you. You don't have it. You don't got me. Would you like to come in for some toe cheese? No, thank you. It's really nice. That's disgusting. It tastes really good. And we'll always be disgusting.

It tastes really good. You'll see in 120, 30 years. Dave, it's so gross. Nobody will ever. But what if it's really good? 131 years. And sync. Okay, moving on.

There was... I like it. So on these door knocks, they interviewed more than 2,000 people. Woo. And they investigated something like 300 suspects. Wow. That means that what? Oh, he's mathing.

Vaguely, one and six and a half people, they're like, well, this guy's suspicious. I don't trust him. And then of those 380 people were detained. 80 people. Wow. There's that many white dudes. Yes. Who knew?

Section of the public lost patients with the lack of results. I don't know if you know that. At the time, they didn't get a result. Weird. And still haven't. But section of the public lost patients. patience with that, and a group of volunteer citizens got together and called themselves the Whitechapel Vigilance Committee.

They patrolled the streets and hired private detectives to question witnesses independently. Wow. Due to the nature of the killings, men who worked in jobs such as butchers and surgeons were suspected. 76 butchers and slaughterers were investigated, but it seems they all had alibis. They're just professional slaughterers, you know? And they're eliminated pretty quickly from the inquiry. It's like chefs going home, don't want to cook, you know?

A slaughterer going home, they don't want a slaughter. Yeah. They just want to relax. They want to read a book, you know, whatever they did back there. I don't leave this studio and go home and start podcasting about other serial killers. Oh my God, no. God no. If I did do that, I imagine I could get a few downloads because people love serial killers.

Yeah, we should change this entire podcast and just to be that. serial killers. One and two. I don't think I'd enjoy doing it anymore. It's not about you, Matt. It's about the downloads. Thank you. That's what these whole thing is about.

Come on, Matt. Come on, mate. Jump on board. No, I forgot. I remember now. The down low is that we need more downloads. Not your best. I had it when Jess is mean.

I just thought we needed a catchy catchphrase. I liked it. Thank you. I liked it and Jess made me feel uncomfortable when she shot you down. A little boy doing his. best. Thank you. Which wasn't good enough, admittedly.

But still, did you have to say it to him? Yeah. Because how else will he? He won't. He never will. We'll see him that time and time again. You're worse than a serial girl. You're a dream killer.

Whoa. You just disembowed my dreams. Wow. And wore him as a cape. Dream cape. You've got a dream cape. She's got your dream boughs up in her room as a dream catcher. Dream catcher.

It's a dripping bough. It's a, no, you dream bow. Bail, not your bloody real bough. It's catching... It's not dripping anything, thanks. It's catching stream boughs. I don't know what that means, but I guess it's really caught itself in a loop.

Apparently, some people at the time had a theory that the pattern of the murders indicated that the Ripper might have been a butcher or cattle drover on one of the cattle boats that sailed between London and Europe because of the times they were there and back. And, you know, he was. was there, he'd murdered, then he'd be gone for a certain week.

Sure. I reckon there was this theory that it might have lined up. And it made some sense because Whitechapel was really close to the docks. And those boats usually docked on a Thursday or Friday and departed on a Saturday or a Sunday. And he was doing them during his time. In his downtime. Everyone's got to have a release, Matt. Yeah, but he could have been like, you know, just catch you up on some sleep, cleaning his knives.

You know, just like the admin sort of life stuff you've got to do. You know, keeping people in small businesses accounts up to date. Because he's one of those scum people. Yeah, I said it in a real nice, efficient way. Yeah, it was great. I got it. Took me maybe six or seven more words than required. That's poo.

As per the Stuart usual. As poo. As poo. As poo. Do talk some shit. Fact. The cattle boats were examined. but the dates of the murders did not coincide. So their theory was just absolutely wrong.

No, it was wrong. But, geez, I like the sound of it. All the things I was reading, I'm like, oh, oh, oh. There's a lot of, yeah, this lines up and this lines up and this lines up, and they checked it and it's definitely not true. It's like, no. I thought we were getting close. I thought somehow this paragraph and this website might lead me.

Yeah, but no. One name that came up in the police investigation when they were talking to the sex workers of the area kept coming out was leather apron. It was this weird dude. What? What? It was the nickname they gave him because there's this weird dude wearing a leather apron who'd hang around and he'd bash sex workers if they didn't pay him. He was, I think.

If they didn't pay him. If they didn't pay him because he's just like basically mugging them almost. But I think the root, like the scam is that he's like, protect. protection money. I'm protecting this patch. You owe me money. Otherwise, if you don't if you don't want to pay for my protection, then, yeah. I'll gut you. Yeah, crazy. But, um, so that name came up a lot. They didn't have a name or any specific details about him, but that's what they called him. Leather apron. Well, that sounds so silly, right? At no point in any context, would I trust a man wearing a leather apron? If you're in 1888 and a lot of people wore leather aprons.

wearing leather aprons? I'll talk about one specific guy in a second. But he's clearly not that, it's not that common. If you can point to the guy, it's the guy that wears shoes. The shoe guy? Shoe man. That's a good point. Does shoe man do it?

Have you seen Shoe Man? I think it's like... I reckon Shoe Man killed the people. It's like going, like the shoes are very specific work shoes that you normally take off after you leave. Oh, work shoe. Yeah. If it's like, I'm this guy, what's he wearing work shoes.

He wore flip-flops and it's winter. Yeah, that sort of thing. It says like people wearing the leather aprons at their place of work. Oh, but he's wearing on the dogs. Like a blacksmith. He's wearing a blacksmith. Would they be wearing a leather apron? Would a blacksmith wear it? They'd wear an apron of some kind, wouldn't they?

Would it be leather? I don't know. Could be. Not sure. Probably just chain mail. Look, I haven't done a report on leather aprons, Jess. They probably just wear one of those aprons that has like a lady's bikini body on it because they're just a bit bloody fun.

Hey? Or one that says, kiss the cook? Stop it. All right. Oh, yeah. I would like to point out that I once nearly got bashed by a man wearing a bowtie on the street. Really? Yes.

What did you do to provoke that fight? Notice I assume it's your fault. Yeah, I happened. Was it James Bond? Yeah, what was it a, was it like a bouncer at a really swish nightclub that you're just being kicked out from? My crime was being on the streets of Newcastle. Oh, in England. New South Wales.

Oh, okay. Both roughish? Yeah, it's an old industrial town. he asked me for one dollar and I did not have one dollar and then he pushed me over and I fell off a curb And I was, The whole time I was thinking, I'm being mugged by a man wearing a bow tie

Was he a, Was he a bathroom attendant? No, he's just a dude on the street. And you refused to tip him. But like, did he look normal and fine? No, he was high as a kite. Right, no, but I mean, like was he like a really rough, dirty looking person who happened to be wearing a bow tie?

Or he looked fine and normal, but he was on something. On something? Yes, and then luckily I was near a pub and there was a bouncer out the front and he just came out and this is so good. He just went, hey, no, no. And the guy, like a dog, the guy on the bow tie responded and went, oh, okay, and left. He yelped and ran away, tail between his legs. So I will say that the man that shot two-pack who they never found was wearing a bow tie. And I think it may have been the same man.

Probably. Newcastle. That bouncer saved your life. He could have been two-pack. If that guy had been two-pack when he was being drive-by, he just yelled, no. No. Get out of it.

Get out of it. The guy would have kissed kept driving. I'm sure of it. No. But what I want to say is that just because people are wearing silly outfits, aka a leather apron, does not mean that they're not capable of hurting people. That was the point of that story.

So this guy that the sex workers, were naming leather apron, they were confident. I'm collectively talking about all the sex workers in the area, but, you know, as it was reported... Speaking on their behalf, are you? Yeah, in a way. Well, Matt did live at that time and interview them firsthand. So they were really confident this was the guy. Because they couldn't give him too much info, it seemed like it might have been hard to find him.

But a policeman named Sergeant William Thick... found a lead. Apparently, oh, he found a lead. Apparently he was aware of a guy who was known as a leather apron.

I found a lead. What's the lead? I went to school with a guy that wore an apron. But he was actually... I know him. He's my next door neighbor. He's my dad.

This guy, a local shoemaker, um, had the nickname leather apron around the community. If you said, going over to leather aprons place. Such a shit.

Shit nickname. It's so weird, isn't it? And also, like if you're going around murdering, people, try to blend in a little better. You know, like, why are you known for wearing something weird? Unless you're framing someone.

Oh. Which I'm not suggesting at all, but that would be the only reason why. So you reckon the real Jack the Rupert said, hey, you would look really cool if you reinvented yourself and always wore a leather apron. And then he did, and now everyone thinks it's leather apron. So are you thinking framing him? Maybe. Could be.

Wow. You just blew this case wide open. Whoa. Like all those women's abjointed. So Sergeant Thick Sgt Thick named this local shoemaker who was also known by the nickname Leather Apron. Jesus.

It's very silly. His real name was John Piser. John or another version of John. Jack. Jack. Yeah. I think at that stage he still, he wasn't known as Jack to Rupert yet. I would have loved if he'd been called Leather Apron Killer.

Yeah, that's better. That is sort of. Well, that's one of Jack the Ripper's nicknames is leather apron. Oh, wow. Are you serious? I've never heard it. I'd never heard it either, but I found it interesting because the first I saw of it, the first I came up was like some account talking about leather apron without any explanation.

I'm like, what is going on? Am I meant to know what that means? Yes, you are. So, and will you talk through, they're not calling him Jack the Ripper yet. Is that right? That's right, yeah. We'll get to that soon. So, yeah, he was sort of known as the,

basically the Whitechapel murderer, I think. Yeah. He hadn't become a full legend as yet. What a legend. He is not full Ripper yet. Semi Ripper. So when they were following up this lead, right, of John Jack Piser,

but the information was leaked to the press somehow. And the Star newspaper ran an article that read, Leather apron, the only name linked to the Whitechapel murders. That's just, if I read that, I would be like, that is gibberish. What does that mean? What are those, did someone? Extra, extra, extra, leather apron named as Jack the Ripper. Wait, what?

What? What? I said leather apron named is Jack the Ripper. Okay. Let's just, all right, young man. Okay, here we go. Have they been giving you some of that moonshine again? Yes, miss, I love it.

It's Christmas Day. I'm going to say, what day is this? The article went on to emphasize the suspect's Jewish appearance, which led to a sharp increase in anti-Semitism. It feels racist. Apparently it was already brewing a bit as well. Because there'd been a lot of Jewish immigration, right? Yes.

So they're, yeah, okay. And they were fleeing, you know, persecution. Yeah. And they come somewhere else and it's like, no. No one wore leather aprons before. the Jewish immigration. There's no cause and effect. There's no evidence that proves otherwise.

So yes, you're correct. I did read somewhere that it was big in the Jewish community, the leather apron thing as workwear. Well, legit. I was just a bit excheous. Pazer was arrested by Thick, but was cleared of suspicion when it turned out that he had strong alibis for two of the murders.

Two? Well, at this stage, they hadn't been, this is sort of mid, this is in September still, So they hadn't all happened So he had strong alibals for two of the murders I love one of them. One of them was he was staying with relatives Which is obviously pretty good alibi

But the other one is just Almost too perfect that it feels like It's set up pretty Their time of the other murder He was chatting with a police officer While watching a big fire on the London docks Right Just chatting at the day, geez what a great looking fire

Have a look at this Hey just take a look at it What time is it? and you got the date there. You're aware of my name, right? Leather jacket. Can you see my... It's me, leather apron.

Oh, no worries, sir. Good to see you. Hey, police officer. Can you just take note of this? Hey, over there. Sorry, can you just take a photo of us together? Can he just hold the newspaper from today? Extra extra leather apron named as Jack the Ripper.

Thank you. I don't know what that means, aren't it? Dibberish. Giffish. God, the journalism these days, am I right? The star is just bullshit. After examining one of the victims and also all the post-mortem notes from the other four canonical murders, police surgeon Thomas Bond was asked to give his opinion on the extent of the murder's surgical skill and knowledge, right?

Tom Bond. Because people were thinking, yeah, this is a surgeon or he's a butcher or something like that. What do you think? Do you think that's true sort of thing? And this is what Bond said. He wrote that all five murders, no doubt, were committed by the same hand. So that was one thing he noticed. But he strongly opposed the idea that the murderer had any anatomical knowledge.

Anitomic. Or even the technical knowledge of a butcher or a horse slaughterer. Wow. So he's sort of like this guy. He's just ripping away. Do you reckon that's why he stopped? He read that and went, oh, that's offensive. Single tier.

I'm doing my best. I've been doing an apprenticeship for five years. And it means nothing, apparently. It means nothing. I'm going to leave this country. They don't recognise skill when they see it. I'm going to go murder somewhere where my work will be appreciated. And then he became the zodiac.

Same guy. Possible. They did all happen in the same universe. Yes, Matt. True. And both in your lifetime. They all killed human beings. Stop winking.

So no surgical skill Yeah, no So you reckon, okay If I gave you a cadaver A body And said People still talk about it like They

None of these things are like Everyone's on board Yeah Everything is like I disagree with this This guy definitely believes this And then there's a whole bunch of other people Go, no

They're wrong Yeah, sure I think these were kind of famous part of it and definitely help with the myth of it all. There were a lot of letters supposedly written by The Ripper. Oh. During the time and afterwards. Why am I imagining him in a yellow raincoat?

Is that a thing? You're thinking of Paddington bear. I get those two confused all the time. Gumboots, right? They're both Londoners, but yeah. My Paddington wore a blue duffel coat. Oh, fuck. I'm sure at some point he's worn a yellow one.

Yeah, think about that day. Am I crazy? Wasn't there something about Jack Ripper wearing? But that would be silly because he's a little. You'd stand out in a yellow coat. You're thinking of leather apron. Ah, yes. Well, the thing is, no one really knows who he is.

You may well have, and you might have seen, if you saw a fictional account of it, maybe they'd dress him up that way. No, Matt, I've seen the real thing. I saw a documentary where they interviewed Jack the Ripper. And they had... Was he wearing? A yellow raincoat. Matt, just meet that.

Oh, look, I can't. I'm sorry. Clearly didn't do your research if you don't know who did it. Well, I certainly didn't do great research, to be honest. I don't know if that's come through. at all. No, it's been good. So, yeah, so there were three particular letters that were, have became quite famous or infamous.

So many were seen as being fakes, like straight off the bat. It's a cricket term, I think. Baseball. Just keep talking. They both use bats. During the time of the murders and investigation, hundreds of letters claimed to have been written by the killer himself received. Many of these were fakes, but three of them have become quite famous. They are the Dear Boss letter.

Oh. It's known as the Dear Boss letter. I'll read it in a second. Maybe you can figure out how it got the name, Dear Boss. I can't wait. It was dated 25th of September 1888. Signed, Dear Boss. That's my guess.

It was mailed to the Central News Agency and forwarded to Scotland Yard. And important to note before I read it out, at this stage, the Jack the Ripper Monica didn't exist. Okay. So the letter reads, Dear Boss. Ah, okay. Also,

straight off the bat, he's gone for an accent. I love it. Now you've got to commit to the whole letter. All right. That's, oh, fuck,

all right. Dear boss, I'll keep on hearing. I'll keep on hearing the police have caught me, but they won't fix me just yet. I've laughed when they look

so clever and talk about being on the right track. That joke about lever Her apron gave me real fits. I'm down on whores, and I shan't quit ripping them until I do get buckled. Grand work, the last job was. I'll go have the lady no time to squeal. Oh, my God.

I haven't thought this through. How can they catch me now? I love my work, and I want to start again. You will soon hear of me with my funny little games. I'll save some of the proper. of red stuff in a ginger beer bottle over the last job to write with but it went thick like glue

and I can't use it. He fucked up trying to keep blood in the cup. He's clearly some sort of surgeon. The next line's like do you know how I can use it? How do you defrost blood?

Also, how do you get blood out of a shirt? Because I've tried fucking everything All my love Dear boss That's so good Red ink is fit enough I hope Ha ha

The next job I do I shall clip the lady's ears off And send them to the police officers Just for jolly Wouldn't you Keep this letter back Till I do a bit more work Then give it

Give it out straight My knife's so nice and sharp I want to get to work right away if I get a chance. Good luck. Yours truly. Jack the Ripper. Don't mind me giving the trade name. P.S.

Wasn't good enough to post this before I got all the red ink off my hands. Curse it. No luck yet. They say I'm a doctor now. Ha ha. What? Is that real? It's still not, people aren't sure if it is.

Why did he say you couldn't get the red off his hand? Because it would have smud. It would have smud. It would be marks like red mark. on the page. Gross. It's so weird. It was initially, yeah, it's fucking bizarre.

Yeah. And it was brutal to read that with a silly voice the whole time. As it got fucked, it was like, oh no. If you just read it normally, I feel like this room would have suddenly got quite dark and I wouldn't have enjoyed it. So I think the accent, it helped. Yeah, right. Well, initially it was considered a hoax.

but then Eddows, Eddows was found dead soon after with one ear partially cut off. Oh, yuck. And obviously that line saying, I'll clip the lady's ears off, gained attention after that. So, and that wouldn't have been possible for someone to know that because it was written beforehand. Yeah, having said that, wasn't that the last one, he just chopped everything open? No, Edos wasn't the last one, though. She was like third, I think. Yeah, and some say that it looked like Edos's ears

may have been accidentally nixed during the attack and a piece of the year was never mailed to the police. Yeah, okay. So they're like... Still, weird coincidence. Yeah, and I think that's the main reason, or that and it's the first time that he used the name Jack the Ripper. Yeah.

Or anyone did. Even if it's a hoax, some hoaxe coined that name. Same with the Zodiac. He gave himself that. name yeah I think all the cool people give themselves nicknames well I mean that's he did say don't mind me giving the trade name like that's what he's known as in the biz yeah sorry this I mean it's on my business cards and stuff sorry not to give him a real name not on the birth to make it too easy yeah yeah that was it was my gross

English accent because I find the English accent to be quite a cool accent it's great but not that one I'm trying to do whatever that is yeah look I'm not sure what is that you're trying to do, but... But, you know, it's got an English tinge. No, cool that. That accent is actually called Jack the Ripper. He's our English Ginge. Me English tinge.

Check out me English tinge. Nah. Don't. Please stop looking at it. Stop looking. So the next one was the saucy Jackie postcard. And that was received by the Central News Agency on the 1st of October 1888. The handwriting was very similar to the Dear Boss letter. So if it's a fake, it was probably a fake by the same person.

or if it was real, it was probably a real by the same person. Interesting. It reads, I was not codding, dear old boss, when I gave you the tip. Codding? Coding, I think it's fucking about kidding. Yeah, a lot of the spelling in this is weird as well. Yeah, great.

But I think it's, language's change or the... There's a different time. It was a different time. I'm saying, this is how they spell back. He probably, maybe didn't, I don't know. English is always evolving. Isn't it? I mean, it's a bloody fluid language.

Isn't it just? Matt, stop codding about and read the letter please. I was not codding, dear old boss. Dave, now I'll read the letter. I was not codding, dear old boss when I gave you the tip. You'll hear about saucy Jackie's work tomorrow. Double event this time, number one squealed a bit, couldn't finish straight off. Ha, not the time to get ears for police.

Thanks for keeping Lassau back till I got to work again. Jack the Ripper. So there's a couple of key things in there. You referenced doing two and one night. Reference doing two and one night. And also that he couldn't finish one off. Because he was scared. Or she yelled out or whatever.

Yeah. One squealed a bit, I guess, brought attention. You could interpret that as. And didn't have time to get the years. I reckon I'd squeal heaps, to be honest. If somebody was gutting me, I'd probably squeal a lot, I reckon. So you're not blaming her? Is that what you mean?

God, no. No, but it's just that he's... Just the interesting use of language there, even though it is fluid. Language is fluid. Just that he says squealed a bit. I'd just be... Yeah.

Just a lot. Heaps. Heaps, I reckon. Wouldn't stop squealing, I don't think. So, yeah, so like Dave, no. That's why you're very different, Jess. That is one of the things that said you apart. I'm a squealer.

Oh. I don't know what that even. That means you tell the cops stuff, right? She's a squealer. Yeah. Is that what it means? He'll squeer like a pig. You know, when there are people trying to like get information out of you.

Squeal for me, piggy. Anyway, is that a thing? So as Dave... That's from deliverance. Okay, great. I haven't seen it. Mentioning the double event, as Dave said, the murders of Stride and Eddo's suggested authenticity

as they were mailed prior to the murders, being reported in the press. But as it was postmarked more than 24 hours after the kill, around 24 hours or just after the killings took place, a fake letter may have, have, um,

it would have, they would have had to have had some sort of inside knowledge or just spoken to locals or something. Yeah. But at the same time, it couldn't have been sent earlier than that because it's the, if it was the killer, because he,

he did it after it. Yeah, predicting the murders. Yeah. It wasn't predicting. It was talking. about what happened. Yeah. So it's not like it.

Yeah, so people believe it. Some people don't. It's one of those ones. And then the third one was the From Hell Letter. And it was received by George Lusk, who was the leader of the White Chapel Vigilance Committee on the 16th of October 1888. The handwriting and style is totally different to the others.

So if this one's real, those aren't and vice versa. Do a different accent then. Oh, fuck. You're going to do a different voice if it's a different person. I'll try, but I don't have a huge amount of range. Yes, you do. Hey, Dave, just let me. Shut up. Shut the fuck up.

Dave, shut up. I'm trying to give him a little point, a little tip. What were you going to say? I was going to say, just do it in the style of leather man. And that will help you. Okay, leather man, I'll try. Matt, did you find that helpful at all? Because what I was going to say, now I'll give you some advice and we'll see who's more helpful.

I was just going to say that I believe. believe in you and I think you're wonderful and I think you've got more range than you're giving yourself credit for and if you just dig deep there's going to be another voices so who out of Dave and I can I just give one one more thing to be honest I've already forgot what Dave said exactly all right new advice it really helps if you start by saying hello I'm Michael Kane then you can do any voice you like okay great okay I'm going to take all that on board and just see what happens so so the handwriting is very different um And the From Hell letter was also a little more than just a letter.

It came with a present in a three inch square cardboard box. No. Inside it. No. Half a human kidney. Oh, kidney. Preserved in alcohol. Yeah.

Half a kidney too. Oh, what's he done with the other half? Eddo's left kidney had been removed by the killer. Oh, not the left one. The left one, yeah. Your favorite. So this one's probably real then. Um, let's see.

I mean, it's hard to know. Well, where else did somebody get half a kidney? The letter read. In the olden days. Yeah, the kidney, kidney shop. Down third. Man, bodies were falling everywhere. So this, the letter read, okay.

From hell. Mr. Lusk. So, I send you half the kidney I took from one woman and preserved it for you. Tell the piece I'll write it. It was very nice. Is that, are you actually reading a letter? I may send you the bloody knife that took it out.

Fuck. If you only wait a while longer. Fuck. Signed, catch me when you can, Mr. Lask. Oh my God, that's crazy. Did he really say that he'd eaten the other half? Yeah. That's fucked.

That was some incredible acting. Oh yeah, that was amazing. You transported. Man, that voice was scary to me. That was terrifying. It was more fucked than the other one. I'd probably rather. fight off the other guy then.

If that's what Leatherman sounds like. A leather? I forgot about Leatherman. I underestimated it. I was doing Michael Kane. That was your Michael Kane. Wasn't it? Yep.

Dave, don't tell him. Sorry. Dave, don't tell me what? No, he's a good Michael. Jess, can you tell Matt that that was great? Matt, that was great. From Dave and I. Thanks, guys.

Like so much in this case, there is debate as to whether or not this letter is legit. The kidney was examined by a doctor from the London hospital who confirmed it was a human kidney He's going to make that joke Like, it is a kidney He literally

Confirmed it was a human kidney He also confirmed it was from the left side Oh It tastes like a kidney Which I don't know if Yeah, I wonder if a fakesster could have known It was the left kidney But could

It could be 50-50 Yeah Beyond that, though, his findings were not conclusive either way he couldn't tell. He's like, some say, some reports said that he said it definitely could be. It looks similar, but I... Did it have her initials on it? Yeah. Yeah, it did.

Yeah. But, I mean, there's so many people with those initials, right? There's heaps of JPs out there. Yeah, exactly. I know like three DWs. Who else? Danielle Walker. Fuck off.

Next. That's the only other one that I call DW. Can she live, please? I like her. What about DW, the Arthur... Arthur's little sister. DW. DW.

DW. Daniel Walker's great. She's right. She can share it. Share it. Okay. What about Doug Walters? Well, he can fuck off.

So I think it was a cricketing grate. Okay. You're going to say Doug Walters can fuck off? Absolutely. Cricketing great can fuck off. All of them can. Interesting. Interesting.

What about Dave Warner? Yeah, he can fuck off because when you're trying to Google me, he can comes up before me. How often do you Google yourself? The vice captain of Australian cricket team comes up. Comes up before Dave Warnocky of DoGo On. Can you believe it? No.

One of the greatest 2020 plays in the world comes up before a Melbourneian podcaster. When you Google Jess Perkins, it's usually a character from Robocop. Or this is a personal trainer in Florida called Jess Perkins. Also, she's doing really well. Also had a cameo in Robocop. Yeah, she was in Robocop. Yeah, but... I was in Robo Cop.

Yeah, it was a weird... The casting agent was he had a fetish. A Jess Perkins fetish? It's a very niche one. This is a weird blip in their system? And they just accidentally hired all Jess Perkins. Do I tell you there's a Canadian comedian called Jessica Perkins? Really?

Yeah. I don't know if she's on Twitter. We're like mates on Facebook. Really? Yeah, yeah. She added me. Have you had a chat? Yeah, she's lovely.

She's really nice. So you will accept anyone called Jess Perkins? Absolutely not. No, I will not. But I did accept. Because it's kind of funny that there's two, or she's Jessica Perkins, or like goes by Jessica.

It's her stage name. Do you think she did that because she saw you? No, I think she's been out longer than me. So really, you're the thief here. I'm the thief here. But in, like, in saying that, she's been incredibly gracious. You left her the Ike.

Yeah, she's got the Ike. She's got the Ica hand. She's got the formal. Yeah, so. Is she successful? Yeah, I guess so. She more successful than the Melbourneian. podcaster Dave Warnocky.

Anything is actually, yeah. Fuck. If you type Dave, space W in to your Google, you will get Jessica Perkins, the comedian from Canada. Yeah. She's got a powerful online presence. Yeah.

Her use of Google AdWords is incredible. Yeah, she's very good. Anyway, just a little fun fact. So a lot of people who do think that the letters are fakes, especially the first two in this case, might have been written by journalists

trying to pump up the public interest and keep it selling papers. Yeah, because these savage murders were not interesting. Yeah. We need a name to get it across the line. Well, I mean, that's like you were saying before. It can be a big part of it. But also, someone did come clean,

supposedly in the early 1900s saying that they did do that. They were a journalist. Oh. But that's not confirmed either. But there's been hundreds of letters though, so yeah, it could be any of those letters. These big three. He was claiming those first two letters.

Really? Supposedly. But I don't believe anything. I'm not even sure that this English, England place exists. Yeah. Point to it on a map. How can you be sure? A day to try.

I've never been there. I have. That was my joke that I've been there, so I know it exists because I've been in it. Have you? Yeah. Prove it. England, I'm Enya. That was what I would post on.

England, I'm Enya? Sail away, sail away, sail away. And she's Irish, so that's confusing. I don't know what I was doing. England, I'm Enya. That's how she starts her tour. That's when she kicks off through UK immigration. She just yells out, England, I'm Enya.

And they just part, the line parts around she just sails through, sales away into London. So there's so many suspects you want to hear about a couple of them? No. Okay, great. That actually will be more efficient. No, I'd like to hear about them. I want to hear about them. Okay, let's go through a couple of the

big ones. There's so many. And I don't... I don't know who the... This guy, Serran Klosawiski, a.k.a. George Chapman. Thank God he's got an A.k.k.a. Yeah, because that wasn't... He's a Polish immigrant who moved to the UK in 1887 or 88 just before the murders began.

Convenient. He was later convicted of poisoning three wives. All his own wives, his own wives. His own wives, one after the other. Oh. Kill, remarry, kill, remarry. That's a long process, isn't it? The third wife...

You'd be like, do you really trust him? Here, I made this suit for you. I don't think so, George. Well, I don't know if they knew... I don't think they knew that he... It was after the third one that he got done for it and was put to death. Yark. Put to death.

Hanged in 1903. He was Scotland Yard Inspector Frederick Abiline's favoured suspect. So one of the cops at the time. Right. But it's seen as being less likely by some because it's rare that a serial killer will make such a big change to their MO. mid-career. Career is a weird word there. But you wouldn't do that to your wife if you want to get away with it though, would you?

Because that would be... Yeah, it's a very different scenario. Everything about it's very different though. Yeah. But that's all part of the MO, right? If you want to get rid of your wife, you're not going to disembowel her, because it'll probably come back to you. No, you actually...

How would you get rid of your wife then, Dave? No, I'm talking about if you want to murder your wife. I'm just interested to see how you would get rid of your wife. Well, having never been married, I don't know. That we know of. I've been married three times. They're all dead. I will not talk about it on the podcast.

They did not like my cooking. So I poisoned them. With my cooking. Took a while because they wouldn't eat it. It was a very frustrating process. Eat my ironic dinner. It would be actually difficult for me to poison someone because I can't cook. I think that might make it easy.

you for you because you'd accidentally poison someone. We've got it. There it is. I've got my M.O. That's your M.O. And that's your alibi, too. Like, well, I'm a terrible cook. It was an accident. Oh, no, Cheryl.

My beautiful third wife, Cheryl. They've all been called Cheryl. I've got my three Sherryls. Rest in peace, Cheryl one, Cheryl two, and Cheryl the third. She did not like being called Cheryl three. Fussy bitch. She had to go.

Hey, Matt, remember when you You said you weren't sure we could make this fun. We're having a great time. Having a great time, have you? Just killed three Sheryls. It is fun. It is fun to kill a Sherrill, isn't it? That's all I have a go.

Hey, everyone. Go out there and kill a Cheryl. No, no, no. That's face. It was so worth it. Guys, don't kill anybody, obviously. Especially, Cheryl. Not Cheryl.

If anything, make them live. Make everyone live. Ava Cheryl's life. Have a baby and call it Cheryl. Hashtake saver Cheryl. Shave a Cheryl. Hey, some of them might need help. Shaving.

That cheeky back of the knee part. You can't get it right. It's back of the knee hard, is it? Yeah, well, weird angle, right? Is it hairy? No, but it's just a fine bit of hair, but you just do it all. It's a fine bit of hair. It's a fine hair.

Anyway, Matt, too, go on. So there's a couple others that I sort of came up a few times. times. Aaron Kuzminski. He's always an Aaron. Also Polish. This guy was sent to the Colney Hatch Lunatic Asylum in 1891. When the murders possibly stopped.

Yes. He was a Polish Jew. And this one was kind of a tricky... Or was it Polish? A Polish, sorry. He was a polished Jew-ish man. This one I think had a kind of long process by the sounds of it. Like the name Cosminsky was written as a suspect in journals of some of the key cops, right?

And with no first name. And then in 1987, there's an author named Martin Fido. Wait, is this actually 1987? 1897. No, no, it is. It's the real 80s. Yeah. The real 80s?

One of those 1887. That was fucking fake. Mate, the only 80s you're going to see the 2080s. Nah. It would be difficult. I'd be in my 90s. Yeah. Well, you're a much better chance of seeing them than any others, I reckon.

No, good call. Think about that. Can't go back in time, can we? It's true. We weren't alive in the 1980s. But if you're in for the 2080s, you're in for the 2180s. Do I reckon you make it to 90? I'm going to make it a 190.

Yeah, definitely. Is that how science works? Yeah. Yes. Thank you. So this author searched through asylum records With the surname Cosminski And found only one

And it was Aaron Cosminski So this is relatively recent That this guy's come up To us I mean the 80s weren't that recent That's true It was quite a while ago In comparison to the pyramids

It's quite recent I mean it was 30 years ago but also... But at the time, people went drawing conclusions. At the time, the cops at the time would have known him by name. They just didn't write his name, full name down for some reason.

Fair. If we are to believe that this guy's found the right one. But Aaron Kuzminski did live in Whitechapel. But at the asylum, he wasn't like a violent person at all. He made daisy chains a lot. He was the captain of the choir.

Apparently his insanity took the form of auditory. hallucinations, which is a paranoid fear of being fed by other people was like how is... How often does that happen when you're a grown-up? Just like anyone providing your food, like all the time, I guess. Especially if you're in an asylum. So apparently, the way he got around eating was eating food off the floor, like scraps of the side. I guess he was worried that it was going to be contaminated.

I don't know, but maybe. I also imagined that he was worried that people were putting meatballs in his mouth while he slept. Oh, fuck! That would be the worst. Fuck off. I've got a small gallant, you know that. I could have choked. I've got it choked.

I want to kill a lot of women now. Is that what happened? So people think that it's very unlikely to be this guy because, yeah, he just didn't have those sort of, only one time in the records did it say that he ever seemed violent. in the asylum. After the meatball incident. Yeah, it was the meatball incident. He also refused to wash or bake.

Oh. But he... He would have been fun to be around. It makes you think maybe was it this guy? Because I think other people said, I reckon you're mistaking him for someone else. There was another guy with a slightly different spelling of the surname and names might have got mixed up. which is interesting here's another guy

David Cohen he was a Polish Jew whose incarceration at Colney Hatch Lunatic Assam roughly coincided with the end of the murders as well and he was described

as violently antisocial case closed we got him we got him is there any suspects that aren't Polish Jews Matt no I don't want to say

your report is biased in any way but so far three from three I'm just saying supposedly one of the cops has also said that he knew who it was and it was a Polish Jew someone else's another cop

like this is in his in his journal or whatever his memoir in his memoir but it wasn't public at the time and then someone else at the same time another cop said we never knew for sure we got the man so they sort of contradicted each other

but the guy who did say he did know I think he did say it was a Polish Jew so I think that's why still people talk about what a Polish Jew guys So yeah I mean there are a few of the suspects But there's so many

And going into any of them deeply Could be a whole episode Don't they sometimes claim like famous people did it Like Arthur Conan Doyle or something like that Yes yeah they have But I think they're all pretty silly For a bit of fun Yeah

I just have a little bit of fun That is a bit of fun It's a bit of fun, isn't it? Killed 11 women. Oh my God, that's so Artie. They called him Artie. They didn't. This is being silly.

Guys, I'm sorry for being silly. Hey, they're silly, and then there's not silly. Silly is killing 11 women. Silly, not silly, is calling Arthur Arty. Sorry. That's offensive. Sorry. So, yeah, I guess it's never been solved.

I don't think it ever will be solved. It's a bit like now, isn't it? It's quite long. Just imagine if they had, like, the technology they have now with DNA. and stuff like that. Well, that's the interesting thing, because the standard practice at the time of the murders was for the police to move the scene on as soon as they could.

They'd get the body away, they'd wash away the blood, and just get it done. Because apparently if you left a scene like that out for too long, people would come and have a bloody gawk. You got a crowd on your hand. Gross. They'd have a cheek squeeze. So if they bagged and tagged everything like they do now,

and it was all just sitting in boxes somewhere, like they probably would have knocked it over. They could go back now. Yeah. There is a guy who has done that, a guy who runs one of the walking tours in London. He's released a book and, you know, made the news a few years ago.

He bought a shawl that was found next to one of the victims and reckons he's confirmed without a shadow of a doubt that, and I think it was the, I think it was the Klaus Sovsky that he reckons it was. Oh. Through DNA evidence? That sounds pretty dubious.

130-year-old DNA evidence that may... May... That he bought on eBay. May have... Well, he spent a lot of money on it at an auction, but it's no guarantee it was even there. He wasn't very public with how his scientific process went and stuff like that. I got ripped off and then had to justify it by writing a book.

His wife was like, we're going to get that 30,000 pounds back, mate. Look, I disagree. I think he knew exactly what he was doing. He bought it and so he could do this. and it made news around the world, and he runs a little company that profits off Jack the Ripper being a thing that people want to know about. And now he's the guy who supposedly has the answer.

I reckon that would have been good for business. Wow, he's a smart businessman. I reckon 20, 30 years he'll make the money back for that, sure. 20 or 30 years, worth it. What an investment. Long haul. I'm not sure how much you pay for it, but I think it was a few thousand pounds. A few thousand?

Yeah, yeah, totally. But if there was surviving evidence, I'm sure they would have been, you know, able to figure out. Wow. But they just had no idea that was going to be possible one day. In the years after the murders, Jack the Ripper has gone through some changes in depiction, apparently, like in the 20s and 30s, he was...

Yellow raincoat. He was wearing, like, everyday clothes, yellow raincoat, that sort of stuff. But then in the 60s, he sort of became portrayed more as the top-hatted gentleman, kind of like a symbol for the upper classes, you know, and just the excess. that sort of stuff. That's when you see some photos, you know, pictures of him with top hat. Yeah, that rings a bell too. But I'm still Googling Jack the Ripper to see if I can.

Oh, look, I reckon if you Google it, you'll probably find out more than what I've told you. He's been used in so many works of fiction over the years. The list of novels that he's been a character in or whatever, it just was epic. One sort of well-known book is called From Hell. It's a graphic novel about the Ripper case and this theory that it was like a bigger conspiracy. And so it turned into a graphic novel, which ended up being turned into a Johnny Depp film. Yeah. Which one?

Called From Hell. Do not know it. It was ranked number five by the newspaper The Telegraphs, top five. Jack the Ripper movies. Top five. Yeah. There's so many movies. Number four, they had Hands of the Ripper, which is a 1971 film.

Number three, The Lodger, which is an Alfred Hitchcock, 1926. Two is murdered by decree, 1979. Number one, they had Pandora's Box. 1929. Oh, wow. Do you remember in this is Spinal Tap? Apparently there's a scene in that, I can't remember it, but apparently there's a scene in it where the band discusses composing a rock opera about Jack the Ripper's life.

And I wanted to call it Saucy Jack. It's such a funny movie. Lots of songs have been written about him as well. Saucy Jack? Saucy Jack. Yeah, well, he did sign him, he called himself that one in the saucy jack. He's a bit saucy-jackie. Postcard.

Postcard, him on a beach. That's what I want. Cocker Cabana. So many musicians including Morrissey, Bob Dylan and Nick Cave have all got songs about Jack the Ripper. Oh, do you know what their songs are? Nick Caves is Jack the Ripper. Cool. S subtle, very Nick Cave.

In 2015, the Jack the Ripper Museum opened in London, which you can go visit. Yay. Obviously. A private museum has opened. They're also a heap of walking tours. of the area where you can go hear an out of work actor talk about a history of Jack the Ripper

or alternatively you can walk around Whitechapel Alone at night Alone at night Listening to this podcast again Oh my God Oh my God imagine That's for free

And I imagine that you would have left Whitechapel hours ago If you listened to this Yeah probably No I wouldn't have not at all stay. And yeah, that's it. Great report, Matt. Peace.

Great report. Like drop him. He's out. He's taken, he's thrown the headphones. He's out. He's done. He's leaving. Matt, come back here. We've still got to talk some more.

Now, Matt. Great topic. And of course, it was voted for by the Patreon listeners. Yes. How do they get onto the Patreon, Dave? Our Patreon is patreon.com. Do go on pod. And you can vote for all of Matt's topics.

you can also get bonus episodes. You hear extra stuff from us, and it is a gay old time. But you have to give us some cash. But if you like the show, you want to support it, you've heard all the episodes, maybe thinking, I'm in for the long haul with these guys. That would be greatly appreciated. But what I was bringing out Patreon format was our topics in the hats, in the first place, have to be suggested by someone.

I don't think we actually said who suggested Jack the Ripper. But I do have suspicions that it might be multiple people because it's one of those sort of very famous topics. They love a serial killer. Yes, you are correct there, Dave. This is maybe one of the more commonly... Yeah, well, they pick this over Keene for Peen, so people obviously love it. They love it.

They also pick the Magic School bus over Keene for Pean. They obviously love it. Nobody wants to hear about peeing, basically. We had Devin Shane Gedis suggested this one at Loose Cannon 777. Nathan Weselch. at Endgamer 32. Austin Brackett. Austin Brackett.

Austin Brackett was one of the ones who suggested the Zodiac Killer. Austin, I think you're a bit sick. And I mean like a cool dude. Get help. Also Chrissy, who is a patron at XOX underscore me. Thanks. Oh, cool, Chrissy. It's quite an invitation.

Is that kiss hug, kiss me? Yeah. No, kiss-hug-kiss underscore me. Play music. I was going to give you a low mark. You see, that's the difference. My score is musical. Yeah, we know.

You're fucking weirdo. Cormac at aromatic herbs. Cormac is it again. Aromatic Herbs. That's one of my favourite Twitter. Yeah, he's great. I'm pretty sure he might have been H.H. H.H. Holmes. You're all so sick.

And I think the very initial suggestion was from Mike at Mike 8. 5773-0-9-78. Mike, how do you remember that when you log in? Wait, say that number again? 8-5-7-3-3-0-9-7-8. I got that wrong as well. I said some wrong numbers there. That's difficult.

There's possibly more people, sorry, I'm just going off. I'm just sort of trying to bring that all together. But I think that, I think there may have been more people even. Good saying. Thank you so much. Please don't hold it against me. Weird people who like zero killers. Don't murder him.

Please. Yeah, it's good to fear, Alice. I think. Speaking of fearing listeners, we should fear the listeners that we do not read out their names via Patreon, which is another thing that you... That's a weird way to get there. Look, I tried really hard. Please don't fear me.

I mean, kill me. But do fear me. We actually, another Patreon perk. Let's call on that Patreon Perks. You've only just figured that out. Patreon Perks. Sounds good. Perks is also my name.

Is that what you mean? No. Actually, no, anyway. Patreon Perks. Oh, you weren't, you were pointing at me, though. With Jess Perks. Okay. One of...

Not you, Jess. We're talking about the Canadian. Yeah, Jessica Perkins. She's great. She's great. The number one ranked comedian called Jessica Perkins. Agreed. We'd like to say thank you individually to all our Patreon supporters.

So we're going to say thanks now. Give a big shout out to some... We actually hit 100 Patreon. Yeah, we did. It was amazing. 100 people. 100 of you support the show. Really cool.

That was a few weeks ago, guys. You don't check it every day, obviously. Oh, yeah. Dave, you definitely do. Yeah, it's all I do. I live for Patreon. I forget about it and then I check it and I go, oh, that's nice. A little surprise, but we have Eclipse to 100, so thank you very much for everyone.

But let's thank some of those hundred. Matt, do you have some people to thank? Oh, yes. I do. So many to thank my mum and dad. Oh, my God, it's not the Academy Awards, Matt. He means the Patreon listeners, your bloody goose. being played off.

Okay, sorry, I take it back. Forget, fuck mum and dad. Don't do that. That's a weird way to start your Academy Award acceptance speech. Fuck, mum and dad. I'd like to thank the producers. The best show on Broadway. I'd love to thank a really bloody good patron slash listener,

slash person slash personality. Jeney Coulton. Jeney Coulton. Jeney can be crazy. Thank you, Jenae. You got any Jeney in you? No, why? Because Jeney can be crazy.

You heard that before, Jene? Probably. Let us know, and we'll come back with something better if you have. I would also like to thank... Jeney? Jene. Obviously, I'm not an idiot. Of course, I would like to think Jenae because...

You're not crazy. Because it's Jenae, you know? I think Jenae is the type of person that could definitely be like share and just go by Jenae. Anyway, another person that I would like to think who probably couldn't go just by it first. name because it's a fairly common name and so is the second name so they'd probably have to maybe add the third at the end but I still think would have a big career who I'll tell you if it'll the third will work on it so I would like to thank Will Downing Will Downing the third yeah that

will work it's great right definitely you want to keep that name going for as long as possible absolutely at least three generations yeah so will I mean obviously go out there and have some children maybe you already have if you have had children and you haven't named them will after you must insist that you change their names legally. I'm so sorry, but that is now canon. Yeah. That is one of our canonical requests. Yes.

Unlike Star Wars, we haven't wiped our cannon. We, everything we've done is still... Did you not wipe the cannon? I forgot to wipe the cannon. Unlike Star Wars, will they frequently clean the cannon. Cleaning the cannon sounds dirty. It's just got to go wipe the cannon. Well, before Jess wipes Matt and I's cannons...

No! Hey, I would like to say a big thank you. And I think you and us, us three are the canonical trio. Yes, canonical. Does that mean we're all victims? No, no. Canonical. But if we were part of a quartet, I would like to welcome in an honorary fourth member,

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