Do Go On - 72 - The Montreal Screwjob

Episode Date: March 8, 2017

This week Matt reports on 'the Montreal Screwjob', a huge controversy in the world of professional wrestling in the 1990s, the effects of which are still being felt today!! This episode is "The Best There Is, The Best There Was and The Best There Ever Will Be" (it's pretty good anyway, and very long!) We talk Bret 'the Hitman' Hart, Vince McMahon, Shawn 'The Heartbreak Kid' Michaels, WWF, WCW, #KayfabeBabe and much more!!Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPod Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Melbourne and Canada, we got exciting news for you. And we should also say this is 2026. Jess, what year is it? 2026. Thank God you're here. Right now, I'm in Melbourne doing my show with Serenji Amarna, 630 each night at the Cooper's Inn Hotel, having so much fun. We'd love to see you there. Canada, we are visiting you in September this year.

If you've somehow missed the news, we are heading up Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal and Toronto for shows. That's going to be so much fun. Tickets for all this stuff, I believe, are online. And I'm here too. ... episode of the podcast called DoGo On. My name is Dave Warnocky and I'm here. God, I hope you know what it's called by now. I'm here with Matt Stewart.

That's Matt. Hey, Dave, what about new listeners? You're always, like, it's not like everyone's just listened to 70 episodes. Now, I feel like it's more of a contract. You listen to one episode. You're in for the long haul. You've got to start from the start. Yeah, right.

It's been watching. Otherwise, you wouldn't understand what's happened. That's how iTunes works, isn't it? We don't have it previously on DoGo On. We should do that. But previous on Doogle one, we have featured, not a guest, but a co-host, Jess Perkins. And here she is again. Hello, here I am.

This is like a podcast pre-nup. What if you... We get you one, we get you for all. Jess actually isn't a co-host. At the end of every episode, it just says guest starring Jess Perkins. And 71 episodes in it's a bit like, maybe you could just... Maybe it's... Guest starring Jess Perkins.

I'm okay with that. Or you know how it always says... Special guester. Or when it says like an introducing. I like that. I'd love that. I'd love to be in a film. Never been in a feature film.

would love that so it could come up as introducing Dave Warnockie. I like introducing, but I think I like even more like someone who's been around for a while and they save him right for the end and it says, and Tom Clancy is Johnny Rotten. Oh, it says the exact one. That famous military rider as that famous 70s punk rocker. Jeez, that's why I'm good at. I'm an improv master. You give me a topic, like name some names.

games and I will come up with stuff. Really inventive, really interesting stuff. And then we'll play. We'll play with it from there. Do they do just that and introducing just for child actors? Tends to be young people, from what I've noticed. So I couldn't debut at 45. Why not?

Oh, maybe if they're introducing. I mean, you're as old as you feel, you know. You're as old as you feel. You're as old as the bloody, the bloody, uh, there are your... There's that improv again. Here we go. As old as your bloody... You're as old as the bloody...

Tom Clancy? You're as old as bloody... Birth certificate indicates. Your bloody... A woman you feel. You're as old as the woman you feel? That's like... That is an old...

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've heard it. I didn't come on with that. If I did. Bloody hell, I'd be proud of a bunch. You'd be rich. But you're only as old as the woman you feel. You're only as old as a bloody young woman

that you're trick into going out with you because you've got lots of money. Yeah, that is. You're only that bloody old. Because the undertone of that is that you're feeling younger women, I think. Like physically feeling. Is that the undertone or is that just the tone? That's the tone.

The tone. And they're not, like, and they're not people. They're just things to feel. If I'm as old as the woman I feel, I'm going to jail. Oh, Dave. No, you're on. I was trying to play a character there but I sort of used my own voice by accident

Didn't distance myself enough from that The way I imagined Matt's character Was like a 60-year-old man with like a 21-year-old woman When you said it in your voice It was like you were touching children But also it didn't that Like it wasn't it all related to Whether or not you're doing anything illegal

You just said if I'm as old as the woman I feel Then I'm going to jail Does that mean That just means you're why you're going to jail for the age you are Oh yeah God that was confusing Dave You're bad at improv

How am I cupping the flag on this one Because you just said the creepy thing You said a creepy thing that also didn't make any sense Yeah we haven't said anything creepy Let me just say You're only as old No fuck You're only as feel as the woman you old

That's what I wanted to say But I end up accidentally saying the right thing Dave, that was not the right thing. It was the wrong thing. Dave, you made it all very uncomfortable. You're as only as uncomfortable as the woman you talk to on your podcast and say something strange. Oh, I'm the woman on the podcast. You are.

That's all you are to him. The woman on the podcast. Hey, when you guys were discussing getting a third person, he was like, we should get a woman, right? I don't remember him saying it like that, but I think Dave has told the story that way. Did he say it like, I suppose we should. I remember saying, look, let's just get the best available talent, available talent. And Matt, it was very strange. Was he drunk? Yes, as he often is.

Yeah, true. And they obviously said no. Yeah, and then we thought, well, let's call Jess. We went through a list. Well, then we sort of just had their own podcasts. We looked out of the corner of our eye and you were sitting in the room at the time. Yeah. And we thought,

Just doodling. I just had a colouring book. Yeah. As I often do. May as well. I mean, it's quite convenient. She is right there.

And after 72 weeks of guest starring, we'll be putting you through your paces. You probably want to know, we have come to a decision. Okay. I'm afraid this will be your last episode. Ow. But it's been great.

It's been a great run. But do I have to stay for the whole episode or can I leave now? You will have to sit there. We'll turn your mic off and you have to sit there awkwardly. It's part of the show. You're going to have to sit here till the 100th episode because that is how you would want it to be. Oh yeah, true.

72 would really piss me off. That's really unfair, actually. Hey, Jess, you weren't, you weren't misright, but you were miss right over there at the time. I had to wait a while for Dave to bloody get his long diatribe out before I got that gold. I'm going to edit his bit out and make mine in. Well, that was worth it. What do you think about miss? That's a weird thing that men don't have to make a decision about?

Miss. Well, yeah, because we're missed are basically from birth. True. I have told the bank many times that I'm now a man and they still send me credit cards at 26 that say master No really? Go fuck yourself. Are you sure that's, is it from Mastercard?

That's not, that's a different thing. That's an entirely different. Call me Visa Warnocky. Fuck! You don't really still get mail that says Master Warnocky, do. I still do, I show you my credit card. Are you kidding me? I forgot about Master, yeah, no, that's true.

Master David T. Warnagie. Holy shit, it actually does. And if you'd like to read out the number there, Jess. Everybody, we're all gathered. That is really weird. Go shopping on Dave's credit. That's so weird. That's so weird. It says Master.

They see your photo and like, all right, mate. But also, why are they giving, so Master, what age would we say a Master is? Like 15 or something? I've forgotten a bit, yeah, I guess. I would have even said 12. So are they giving that kid a credit card? And they're emailing me constantly saying, would you like to increase your limit to $12,000? A 12 year old kid.

Fucking hell. See, I'm not even sure between like... Second card they're just, this is the second one that says my... Second one that says Master. Again, this card number. I'm in a lot of trouble. Platinum card day. I'm pretty sure it starts at platinum these days.

You are doing very well indeed. This one doesn't expire until 2020. It's my new card. Membership card at Spud Bar, the potato shop there. Does not say Master. Doesn't say anything on it. Are you just going through your wallet now? I've got a working with children check.

Does that say Master? Yeah, that's right. I'm younger than the children that they've checked on that I'm allowed to work with. Oh, your hair's bad in that one. That is no good. They've put on the offender. filter to make me look like I shouldn't work with children. That was a perfectly good photo I sent them, and they put the filter on to make me look evil.

As you were getting that photo taken, you made the joke. Your only is feel as the woman you old. Hang on, let me do it again. It was a very awkward visit to that primary school office. Hey Dave. They used to perform at prime school. People always ask, like, is there a way that you could get Dave to just briefly surmise what the show is about? And I was wondering if we could get you to do that now.

Okay. What does do go on to you? So do go on essentially, it's one mister, one miss, one master, locked in a room where one of the miss the master or the mister, are given the topic, no, they're given the opportunity to report on a topic to the miss and the mister, or the miss and the master, or the mister and the master. Was that? Pretty good? It's pretty good.

It's pretty good. So welcome new listeners. Pretty concise. And I think that ticks all the boxes. I actually just read that from the iTunes description. What is the difference between a Miss and a Ms. as well, by the way? I believe.

I'll feel this one. Why is Jess asking? I don't know. I'm never sure because I don't really like M-I-S. It looks a bit yuck and it feels very young. So sometimes I'll write muz, but then I'm just not sure anymore. Because Misses sort of feels like the master. Yes, exactly.

That's what I mean. feels young. Whereas, and I think Mrs is supposedly, I think, is when you get married, right? Right. And I think Ms. is like you go, I want it. Mizz is like an attempt to get rid of the, get rid of, um, it's the attempt to be the equivalent of master, I think. So there's no, you don't change if you're married or not.

You just MIS. Like Mr doesn't change. Yeah, sure. But you don't become a MIS automatic. I think it's up to you. You can also be like, look, I might be married. I might not be married. I don't really want to disclose that.

And I think it's also. sort of like if I, so if I did get married, I wouldn't change my name, but... But would you be Mrs. Perkins? No. No, because I'm not Mrs. Perkins. That's my mum. Ah, right. Mrs. Perkins is my father's name.

Good point. I mean, there's no reason I could be if I wanted to be. Yeah. That's so weird, then. If I get married, will I still be a master? Probably. Is that how I graduate. That's the only way.

No worries. You can have a credit card with Mr. As long as you fought us your marriage certificates. and date of birth. And your wife has to sign it as well. Your legal guardian slash wine. Young man. Young man. Though we are willing to increase your credit limit to $50,000.

Anyway, that makes sense. For the honeymoon. Yeah, good for you. Hey. Anyway, it's great to be married, I've got to tell you. Yeah. Dave, one part you missed out of that, the intro. We always start with a question.

We do start with a question. And this week, the Mr. We'll be starting with that question. That's you, Mr. Match. Mr Matt. You can call me Mr. Matt. To get us on to the topic, Mr. Matt? When I was in Bali, they called me Miss Jess and it was the best thing ever.

Miss Jess. Good morning, Miss Jess. I'd be like, fuck, I love that so much. Morning, Miss Jess. I love it. Anyway, Mr. Matt. Sounds nice. Miss Jess.

Master Dave. Yeah, okay, I like this a lot. Mr. Matt, go for it. Good morning, Master Dave. Here is the question this week. I've got a follow-up question if you get this one. I'd be curious because this topic is something that I don't know a lot about. But I've found it interesting into it.

And I think it's the kind of topic that's like, I reckon has got a similar world of fans and experts like a comic book world would. Which wrestler has held championships in five decades from 1970s to the 2010s, whatever you call that decade, and was the first man to win both the WWF and WCW Triple Crown Championships. I have no idea. Big fan of wrestling growing up over here. Yes, all right, interesting.

I had no idea. Oh, we learned so much about you. I was just curious, yeah. So if you, well, before you go then, maybe let's see if Jess can name any, because I reckon I could have named. The Rock. Three. Yeah, he's one of the big ones that I would have thought. It's not him.

Mr. Magic. Is that one day? Not that I know of, but I imagine that there was probably. I probably will know some names as you mentioned them, but I really can't think of any. Not a lot in this story. The ones I would have thought of were The Rock. Hulk Hogan. Hulk Hogan.

That was going to be my guess, Hulk Hogan, because he's been around for so long. No, it's not Hulk Hogan. Okay. Is it going to be a name that we know? So five separate... I'm guessing... Five separate decades. Five separate decades.

It's from the 70s all the way to the 2000. So the ones that have been around for a long time, you got Hulk Hogan. It's not Whole Hogan. You got maybe The Undertaker? It's not the Undertaker. I've heard of him, though. Heard of the Undertaker. Stone Cold Steve Austin, but he hasn't been around that long.

He's not even alive that long. He was my favourite going up. I fucking loved Stone Cold Steve Austin. Oh, interesting. Well, this story sort of leads up to when he got big. Oh, cool. Big fan of the rock growing up as well but he hasn't been around along

I would say the only one I can think of that's old enough and probably still wrestles and did at least 10 years ago the nature boy Rick Flair No, I've heard of him as well Is that ravishing Rick Flair? Yeah, so they all go through different nicknames and stuff, yeah, oh

his catchphrase was this Woo! That's a great catchphrase What a catchphrase Or maybe I can give you a hint by telling you this guy's catchphrase or one of them and it's I think it was something like

I'm the best that is, the best that was, the best that ever will be. I like that. Better than woo! To be honest. The other one famous is like, Brett the Hitman Hart. That's him. Yeah. Well done, Dave.

Great Simpsons cameo from him. Yeah, that's right. I mentioned that. And also... I had a toy of Brett the Hit Man Heart growing up. So this story is about him, but that's not the topic necessarily. The topic, I wonder if you know, what is the single event is the biggest ever controversy?

in professional wrestling. Is it the death of his brother or cousin? No, but that is, I don't mention that, but I heard about that in the ring because he comes from a big wrestling family. Yeah. In a mishap, he was meant to come down from the ceiling. From the top of the stadium.

And he fell like 50 feet or something. Oh. I did think he landed on the turnbuckle type thing? He broke his neck. It's like this. In front of a, like a stadium. And the announcers like, this is not part of the show.

Oh my God. You don't want to make that announcement. There was a part that I read, or maybe in the documentary I watched where Hart was talking about this time that he broke his ribs because he was thrown out of the ring and the crowd are like abusing him and stuff

like he's still done it and the guy is wrestling against thinks it's part of it so he keeps sort of like laying into him in that sort of wrestling style yeah

do you believe in wrestling Jess do I believe in it yeah is it a unicorn mat well no I didn't realize how fake it is it's very fake yeah it's all it's all it's entirely it's scripted

I'd say scripted rather than the word Yeah, sure. Well, yeah, I would say they're more like stuntmen than restless. Yeah. You know, because like... But it is a very physical job. Obviously, people die falling in stunts go wrong. And it would be very dangerous because you do have to get it right.

I mean, people die working in like factories as well. Sure, sure. I don't know of that. I'm sure people have died in call centres. True. Right, but you were talking about... Old age. From boredom.

Old age. All the old people in... There's heaps of old people in my house. Please let me leave. Make another call, grandma. Make your phone. fucking sale. I don't know what I'm selling.

What are these tarzos? Is that what you did yes? Yeah, I sell Tarzos. Do you sell toys from the mid-90s? Yeah. No, just Tarzo specifically. I work in the Tarzo factory. We'll have to make it one of those memes what Mom thinks I do.

What Dave thinks I do? Selling Tarzos. I think my mom is probably... What society thinks I do? Closer to what I do. I don't know what the controversy... So you're going to say what I do to get to it. I'm excited.

Well, I'll tell you what it's called. and then the rest of it's building up to it. The controversy, which I'd never heard of, which was voted for, as my topics always are, they're opened up to the Patreon subscribers to vote. Based on suggestions from the broader audience, I then take some out of the hat. This week, the four options were,

I'll read out the three that didn't get voted in. The lowest amount of votes this week was past Afarianism, which is, you know, the flying spaghetti, Monster Religion. Oh my God, that is awesome. That would be the good one, but that was the lowest. But it's still, I got votes. It was relatively close.

Then Friends, the sitcom. Then Gallipoli. Oh, that would be interesting. Oh, wow, that would have taken you a lot of research. It's a long one. But the winner this week, the Montreal Screw Job. Oh, I don't know. I wouldn't have heard that, but I didn't even realize it was wrestling related.

Sounds like a cocktail. So, yeah. Can we get three Montreal screw jobs? It's a celebration. I'm the best that ever was He's while he's pouring his cocktails And the suggestion Initially came from a couple guys

Off the Twitters I'd like to thank Brett The Hitman Hart Just can't get enough of the story Now Lee Hollod Owen Hart That was the guy that died Sorry just remember

That's right So sorry I took away the thunder of who Lee Hollod I'm going to say At CannonBod Which is a great Twitter handle And suavegemo At suavejmo

dot com. Swafe gemma. Dot com. What I have that in? I'm from the 90s. It's an internet thing. It ends in dot com. Or the word 2000.

In 1998, like 2000 was so far away. You couldn't even think about it. And suddenly it's 2002 and your business is still called like internet cafe 2000. Version 2.0. It's like, mate, we're up to at least version 4.0. So yeah. So the story centers on. Brett, the hitman, heart.

That's his wrestling nickname. He doesn't get it until sort of mid-career, but that's what he's known as now. Can we give each other wrestling names? Slash, can you guys do it? You know, I'm shit at everything, but I think you guys would be good at it. Yes, the hitman, Perkins.

There it is. I was about to say Hart, which would have been. Dave. The hitman Warnocky. Yep. Thank you. What about me, Jess? Matt.

Matt. Now, what do we know about Matt? He's got a beard. He's a hit. with the ladies. He's a man. Okay, let's put two and two together. He is Brett, the hit man.

Oh, no. He is Matt, the hit beard. Hit beard. Stuart. There it is. Thank you. See, that's interesting, isn't it, Matt? That he puts you, like, if he's categorizing you, he goes,

beard first. Rather than man. How does that feel? Look, it feels good. Feels right. Great. I don't see gender, but I do see facial hair. Sure.

and I see it in a lot of places I don't want to I reckon the only time I ever remember knowing about the hit man heart was from that Simpsons episode you were talking about season 8, it was in 97 which is the same time as the screw job Oh really? Because he buys Mr Burns' house

He buys Mr. Burns' house And Mr. Burns comes up to him because Mr. Burns hit trouble financial trouble and Mr. Burns takes a portrait of himself off the wall He goes, would you mind if I keep this to remind me of the good times? And then Brett the hitman heart, voiced by himself, goes, why would I want a picture of a pitiful pencil-necked geek?

I mean, it's good. That could be Dave's wrestling name. The pitiful pencil-neck geek, I'll take it. And then Mr. Van goes, ooh, indeed. Yeah, he puts the painting down. But the other thing, he's on the other line, I believe, in the show is, oh, this place got old man stink. Yeah.

When he's like viewing the house. That's right. I remember, I remember I can picture Mr. Burns taking the painting down, but I can't picture the other guy. He was wearing his trademark colors, black and pink. And pink. Pink shades? And he, yeah, where's these shades that look like something Marty McFlyer would have worn

in the future, back to the future too? Yeah, they're kind of like sort of lab goggles slash sunglasses. Yeah, but like mirrored lab goggles. Oh, sick. Just imagine Bono gone wrong. Sick. I know, there's something... Oh, Bonnegan, very right.

Oh, yeah. There's something really cool about it. I watched quite a famous documentary about him, which was filmed through the year of the Screw Job. And it followed him around the whole time. And he really got to know him. It was like out of character, just backstage with his family and stuff like that.

Wow. He just seems like a real, you know, normal guy. He's just a massive beefcake. He was born in Calgary, Canada, which is my last hockey team, the Calgary flames. Go flames. Flames.

As I always say, one of my catchphrases. An ice. What made you pick the flames? I'll melt the ice. I met some Calgarian women when I traveled once. There we go. Did you meet them at a bar? Yes.

Didn't meet them at some sort of historical museum. Yeah, not in a museum or an art gallery. Met them in a bar. Yeah, well, I mean... You've got a problem, Matt. Was it in Canada? No, I was in Greece. Oh, okay.

Sure. On the island of Santorini. Beautiful spot. Beautiful spot for a tipple. I was about to say like, God, he's traveled so much, but he's a hundred years older than us. He's had so much more time. He's traveled to countries that don't even exist anymore. Yeah.

Yeah, that went under the sea years ago. Under the sea. He was the eighth child in a family of 12 children. Too many kids. I've got here. Do they know what was causing it? I've got here. Pause for Jess or Dave to say, do they know what's caused it?

My dad has started listening to the podcast I hope he hears that Oh is that That's where it's from Yeah it's my dad It says that all the time John Perkins John Perkins

We'll get him on the pod What a dude We should have the parent special That would be fun His dad was Canadian wrestling Legend Stu Hart And all of their siblings

ended up being involved in wrestling All of them All of them Yeah Most of the guys Became wrestlers And all four sisters Married wrestlers

No way All four Why weren't any of the girls' wrestlers? They're a lady wrestlers. I'm not sure if they... Yeah, I'm not sure, but I don't think they were. No, I think they were more... They just married wrestlers.

Married to them. Good heavens. There were some great female wrestlers growing up for me. Trish Stratis. Trish. Sorry, was that... Say it again? Trish...

Stattis. Just telling me Matt. Trish... Trit. So you can think of one. You can think of one. Stacey. I remember Stacey

Were there twins? There's bound to have been twins at some point Yeah, they were called the Dudley Boys And they were two men No, I feel like I definitely And they were definitely not twins I remember twin, like identical twins Women, wrestlers

Anyway, do go on China China Trump She died sadly I love China The wrestler He was referring to the wrestler

The country never heard of it She was billed as the ninth wonder of the world. Excuse me? China. China. Like the whole country. The stuff that they were the builder is like the world's strongest man. Oh, really?

This big dude called Mark Henry. All right. That sounds like old. Stuff like that makes it sound like an old circus thing. Yeah. Which is probably what it used to be kind of. Yeah. So they still have that sort of factor in it.

Anyway, so this family of 12 all rest of. Yes. Or married to wrestlers. It sounds like they was a, his mom was in the documentary and she was just like not into wrestling. Oh, really? She was just like, she goes, I remember asking Stu, how long is this whole wrestling thing going to go? And he was like two years and it's still going. And she was just like, it was broken.

Oh, man. Oh, wow. It really just looked like she was like, I can't wait for it. this to be over. That's tragic. That sucks. But yeah, so it sounds like a, I mean, this is one little grab out of context potentially. Maybe she bloody loves it.

Probably. Sounds like it was a pretty eccentric family to grow up in. His dad had regular visits from aspiring young wrestlers. And then he'd take him down into his... He'd take him down. To teach him a lesson. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, he'd take him down in the basement to teach him a lesson in wrestling.

They called the basement in the dungeon. Oh, no, I don't like that. And Brett and his family from upstairs could hear through like some cracks in their floor or whatever, some sort of, they could hear just these young guys just screaming for hours on end when he, uh, Stuart would just be teaching them. They weren't wrestling. It sounds like the wife was not afraid of wrestling, but of something else. Oh my God. It did, there was something like that. It did sound a bit weird, but then, um, so apparently he was just, he would, they went down in the documentary and showed him doing it.

more recently or in the 90s when the documentary was made and he just take these guys and just hold them in these finishing moves and they're just screaming in agony he's like yeah and then you can even take the arm a bit further around like this and they're just like ah! Or a bit even further and he's this old guy who can't like he's... You know those old guys who are basically walking

where their torso's on a right angle from their legs? You know they're facing basically directly at the ground as they walk along? So this old guy but he's still like bringing the pain for the... Like he's dropped his wedding room. Yeah, and he just... Where is it? Somewhere around here. Yeah.

That's how we... Yeah, it was... He was an old dude. But he was still hurting young children. He was hurting... Well, I'm saying young children, they would have been like... In their 20s.

You know, early 20s or whatever. And then... They probably have Mr. on their credit cards, though. Yeah, they fucking do. Brett was like... My mate, Brett was like, yeah, he used to hear the screams be like, oh, bloody hell.

And then eventually he got older and he went down and he watched him train and stuff and sort of getting into it. But he didn't have... I would have so many questions. He didn't have great... Like why? That'd be my main one. Well, I guess it's just learning it.

They wanted to do it because Stu also ran a big wrestling company in West Canada, probably the biggest wrestling company in West Canada called Stampede Wrestling. So hanging out with him was a way in. Yeah, that's right. I guess he's almost like trialing him, training him. It was a training studio, but I guess. But they're hoping that he'll be like, hey, you're pretty good. Do you want to do a match?

Yeah, totally. Do a match. It's been a while since I've watched it, guys. Do a match. I challenge you to do a match Against me The big man Maybe Matt could be like

The match, like a match stick or something Oh Matt the match stuett Snap him like a match stick Flaming Redhead There was a big One of the biggest wrestlers Oh god wrestling people are going to hate me for this Of recent times

It's this big massive Irish dude Whose skin is so white You can nearly see through him He's nearly got seat He's like got red hair, but his skin is sort of, you know, very, very pale, as pale as you can get. And he, yeah, he's one of the most popular in the word, you could be that guy. I could be that guy. Wow.

I can't remember, I don't know his name, but yeah, he's very, very popular or was a couple of years ago. But all that Dave remembers of him is that he's pale. Because you could be that guy. Because he was the most amazing looking dude. Like, oh, there we go. That's better. Never seen a man that. Because as a pale man, you don't get many pale heroes.

especially muscular ones. And I was looking at this guy going, that could be me. I'm that white, nearly. You are that white. Thank you. Good for you. So that's my hero,

that unnamed Irish man. There goes my hero. There he is. So Brett started a train. He wasn't right in the idea. His dad wanted him to go into amateur wrestling, like real wrestling. You know, the stuff,

the Olympics and stuff where they actually... They actually wrestle? Yeah. Greeko Roman, whatever it's called. Yeah, Greco Roman. And he wasn't really... He did it for a little. a while but he wasn't loving it and he saw her a way out by he didn't want to break his dad

dad's heart is one of the things I read so he um he ended up going in to work for his dad's stampede wrestling company okay sort of saying that he'll go help out with that and he started refereeing uh a bit um apparently the family home also kept a bear on their property oh for fuck sake what hang on what sorry and and apparently like back then you know you might wrestle bears a bit. No. This is the 70s in Canada. No, you don't wrestle your pet bear.

And Hitman said, I saw him talking about it, how he used to get the bear to lick ice cream off his toes. That seems like a really bad idea. Which is a bit interesting. I'll be honest. Why did you put ice cream on your toes? Everything about it is a bit odd, but... Cool you down?

Cool down your toes. When I was a kid playing basketball in summer... In Barmy, Canada. You know, went mum... And it was hot in the stadium. They'd give us, like, ice packs to cool us down while you're sitting on it, and you put them on your wrists, or on the back of your neck, it's like, cools you down really fast.

Seems like a weird way to attract bears. Or your toes. Mm, I think you're that. The three main places to cool you down fast. Toes, wrists, back and neck. What if you've only got two? Inner elbow. And, uh, what's the inner elbow called?

Is that just your elbow? Yeah, I reckon inner elbow works. Is this space just your elbow? It's the anti-elbo. There it is. I knew you'd know. The technical term. I've just looked up this rest of it.

I want to show you him. Please. And you'll love his name, Jess, as a big fan of Irish names. Oh. Shamous. Fuck yes. He's just Shamous. Fuck yes.

Just shame. He's... He's awesome. You really don't see pale guys who are buff like that. Yeah, that's why I was so impressed. He's quite good looking. He's on TV and I was like, oh. Norm.

Yeah, they're always like dweaves, but this is huge. But it's like, once you get musly, people just like... Get a tan. Brons themselves up as well. You just used to saying guys like that who, just lots of orange tans and stuff but that's kind of the key to WWF WWE wrestling

is you get a thing that people remember you for so he's like well there's no other big buff white dudes is he still get all oiled up you know for wrestling he just covers himself and talcumpelling pales himself down so

Stu being this successful wrestling promoter old man Stu at Hart he actually started started Stampede Wrestling in 1948. Whoa. And it was quite a big, like, back in the 70s, that's how it was. It was lots of little companies spread across Canada and the US.

So Brett was, I said Brett like a, you know, weird. Didn't put you guys off. It made me feel weird. So Brett was around wrestling his whole life. And then in 76 he started when he started refereeing matches for a while. But in 1978, he performed for the first time in a stampede event, filling in for a wrestler who was a late withdrawal. So he just like had to step up at the last minute.

And from there he became a regular at stampede events going on to win many of the titles there. Unfortunately, the person who pulled out was a bear. So he had to... His character was a bear. He was in a bear costume. And he celebrated by licking ice cream off the opponent's foot. That's what bears like to do. As far as I understand it.

It's the bear that he knows. All bears like this. They're all out there. He's like, Dad, I don't know what to do. Just impersonate a bear, Brett. All right. Just let's look in ice cream. Oh, da boy.

Yeah, so early days he was known as Brett, the bear heart. Oh. Oh. But yeah, it's funny because I was reading and it's like, in the articles they talk about all these titles that he's won. And I'm like, oh, wow, cool. And then I'm like, oh, but I mean, that's all scripted. Yeah, how do you win a title?

And his dad runs the company. I never thought about that. Yeah, so then they're like 19 times WCW champion. It doesn't mean anything. 19 times the plot said you were going to get this certificate. If we lived in the fictional world that they exist, then you'd be like, oh, that's incredible. Yeah, wow.

You guys don't know this, but I've actually been crowning myself. The do go on. The DGO, undisputed. world champion every week for the last 71 weeks. Wow. Yeah, I'd pick that, yeah. So that's actually... I'd probably give him that as well.

To me else, wouldn't you? No, I'd give it to Jess as well. Oh, yeah, that's the real winner. I said that multiple times on the record. That's the number one contender. Yeah. Have you... I'm written this as a question, but Dave clearly knows it.

But you've heard of the WWF? Yes. The World Wildlife Fund? Yeah. Which is it now... Now it's known as the WWE. because of some legal action with the World Wildlife Fund. In 2002, somewhere earlier.

Because I watched it as it changed. Right. So it changed the World Wrestling Entertainment. Oh, I see. I was going to ask what the E stood for, but you were one step ahead. What would you have guessed? Enterprise. Yeah.

You'd think something like that, right? Exploropedia, which was an educational computer game I had. World Wrestling Exploropedia. It was great. It's why I learned about the Mississippi River and had a song. It went M-I-S-S-I-S-I-P-P-I. I've heard a different song, which I think is much catchy. M-I-S-I-D-S-R-P-I.

I hate that. What's that from? M-I-S-I-D-S-I-D-P-I-I-N-A-D-B-I. No, I hate that. Because there's three doubles. Yeah. Well, I remember mine my way. Well, all I have to say to you is a bomb in a bull snowman.

Yeah, very good. You are very good at remembering. Is that M-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-A. I reckon it's from my girl or something like that. So it's from some sort of kids' movie from the 90s, I reckon. Right. Yeah, something I know somehow. So the WWF slash WWE owned and run by a guy named Vince McMahon.

Vince McMahon. Great name. And at the time, it was one of the largest professional wrestling promotions in America. Did his dad start it, though? His dad did start it. His dad started and then died a couple years later, and he sort of inherited it. And now he is, and they always plug this, because he often wrestles himself,

even though now he's in his, what, 60s, possibly 70s. I think maybe, yeah, definitely 70s, I'd say. They, yeah, he was probably in the 60s, but I watched him 15 years ago. He's, and they always said, The billionaire, Vince McMahon, because he's a billionaire from, and they would always, like, sort of,

that was his credit. But he didn't start as a wrestler, right? I'm pretty sure in this world, he was more of an announcer. He was sort of like quietly, the owner but the his face like public face in the whole enterprise was as an

ringside announcer. So he's like commentate and announce and stuff. And then I think based on this story he started to become a one of the bad guys that come. I think I may be wrong. Because he always played a bad character like I'm the bad boss. Yeah but that didn't happen

really until Big muscular dude. Later on he was still kind of fairly quiet at this stage. He hasn't really started playing that character, which is apparently referred to as the Mr. McMahon character, the bad boss, Mr. McMahon. As opposed to his credit card, which said Master McMahon.

It's a fictional portrayal. So, yeah, so he was expanding and he was buying up a lot of these little franchises, these little promotions around America and now he was going through Canada and buying him as well. And up until this point, there was sort of like a code between all the groups. You wouldn't steal wrestlers from each other. You wouldn't affect the ones bordering you. And it was like this system that worked.

They all just existed alongside each other. And he came in sort of from outside of that and just started buying them out. Oh, wow. He was just buying them and collecting them, taking the stars and just, and their territories, basically. Wow. And eventually, you know, spreading right across North America. Which is what we're doing with the podcast, really? Yeah, we're buying out of the podcast.

We're, we've put him an offer. for filthy casuals. And we're waiting to hear back. But it was a pretty tidy sum. I think so. I think they'll say yes. I've, uh, I, oh, shit, actually. I meant to tell you guys the other day, I made an offer for my dad wrote a porno.

Oh, great. What did they? Yeah, what did you? Uh, I offered him 50 bucks. So we'll just see. Australian? Yeah. Oh, shit.

That's good. Don't go in too hard. No. Yeah. But, so I think of, yeah. Don't give them all than their way. So you, what, did you give them $1 per million downloads that they've had? Is that how you work that out?

Yeah. I think that's a fair amount. Hey. Here's a number. Let's see what you think of this. Just slide it across. I would love to be in a deal meeting one day where they slide an offer over to me. And you're like, oh my God, it's happening.

Flip it over. Zero. Yeah. It's the best. I've thought about your offer. I think this is fair. I think this is a fair. You'll find this to be a fair amount.

But still, to be in that situation when someone's... Just to be in a boardroom, I think it would be fun. Oh. Wouldn't it? It would be. I hope we're in a boardroom together one day I hope we all experience that envelope sliding

thing together and it's a matter of time and I'll open it with my mouth you're ripping it open or like very delicate and they're going that that's not it's not even an envelope

just a piece of paper we're reneging I'm trying to open a blank A4 sheet with my mouth don't worry guys I got this I can't make up the number can't make it out now so we assume it's a million dollars

and we agree and they're like Interesting power move by Dave Warnocky there. Never seen this done. He ate our proposal. Quickly, double the offer. He's eating that too. God, he's good.

Before Sonia makes a bigger offer. Sonia. I meant to say Sony. Oh, did you? No, I meant to say... I was saying Sonia because I don't want to be sued by the real Sony. Ah.

Smart. Geez, he's Wiley. I meant to say Sony. The favorite of the brain. France, Panasonica, Universely. Nestle. I'm pretty sure that in America they call it that.

Oh. They called it Nessels in Australia in my parents' generation, I believe. So when did it change to Nesley? They've tried to get a bad boy French image. When we got more worldly. Like, Yokel. It's French for young.

When we started hearing about it. Back in the 60s and 70s, they didn't know that there was such thing as a way to pronounce L.E. like lay. Oh. They didn't even know. It hadn't been invented. Nessel.

Nessel. Pronounce it as you see it. You know what? For quite a while though they said it was like they had like, you know, the unpronounceable word. And then eventually they built up to the stage where they could say Nassel. Because actually is that how you spell Nessel? Yes.

I know. I do. Probably. I think I get it now. Do you get it? I'm not, I'm going to bail on making fun of old people. Because I think I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, you are one. Yeah, because you are the oldest person.

In the world. In the world. So in 1984, WWF. You were alive then? Yeah, I was, yes. We weren't. They brought out Stampede Wrestling, including many of its star performers, including the one and only Brett Hart.

Oh. So they paid his dad off. Yeah, they bought it out from his dad and his dad closed down Stampede. Wow. Later on, it got re-invigorated. but reinvigorated. And some, some...

It had a V. I had a V. Jeez, we're dropping some brands today. Jess, interestingly, when I said 994, you said you were born then, when normally you would say... I'm not your monkey, Matt. That's the right.

You'd normally say I'm not your monkey, Matt. Initially... Interesting when you said 1984, Matt, when usually you would say 18. 84. Interesting. We're all learning, aren't we? You've all got our catchphrases.

Mine is And Sonia Initially, Hart was asked to perform as a cowboy character I love it, yes Yeho I would love to be the guy that looks at people and goes You, you're the cowboy Okay, great, cast us

Well, because interestingly Oh, okay Okay, sorry So I don't interrupt with the report Leprocon Matt, you're the lepricon Yes Jess, you're the lepricons friend

Yes We're a duo We get to do offensively bad Irish accents Speaking of offensively, I'm the fencer I come out fencing Okay For some reason I'm not Building fences

I like that Yeah I come out building a fence Dressed in a fencing outfit Which is the outfit a person building a fence would wear Good for you This character is infallible Anyway now that we've cast ourselves Sorry do go on

So yeah So Calgary is famous for it's Stampede, which I guess is why they called the wrestling thing Stampede, which is a big Cowboys sort of festival. Stampeed. Yeah, that's the thing. You probably can't hear me pronouncing that way,

but he called his thing Stanpeed. Even though I clearly said his name was Stu, but... This entire time I thought he was they were Stan. Stu peed. Stupid. Stude everywhere. He peed everywhere.

He's stupid, eh? So I don't actually know the Calgary Sanpique. It's a really big, really big festival. It's like, you know, like, um, like horse riding stuff and like bucking broncos, I guess, and it's sort of like line dancing. It's, you know, a big cowboy culture festival. It sounds like I want to be a part of it. It's on my bucket list.

I want to go there for sure one day. So was it massive? It's huge. So the biggest one in Canada, you say? I think it's one of the really big festivals, yeah. But it felt like sort of that country style. I love it. Billy Ray Cyrus.

Let's all go. I'm in, for sure. Do we have any lists of California? It's also the city that... Never sleeps. The windy city. It's also the city that the Winter Olympics was held in when the Jamaican Bob Said team. Oh.

That is cool. I would love to pay my respects. Yeah. To cool runnings. John Candy. Rest in peace. I can pay my respects to cool runnings. Great film.

The film that was played. played on many primary school bus trips. Oh, big time. So they asked him to play the cowboy character, but he came from Calgary and he wasn't a cowboy. He said, if you call yourself a cowboy where I come from, you'd better be one. He's sort of saying, like, I'm not doing it.

He's like, I'm a method wrestler. I can't fake. All of this is real to me. Yeah. I couldn't possibly pretend. I'm willing to play a wrestling character. Yeah. I'll play a hitman.

But I shan't play a cowboy. Back where I'm from if you're a hit. Hitman, if you say you're a hitman, no one cares. But if you say you're a cowboy and you're not a cowboy, heads will roll. Yeah, the cowboys will turn into hitmen and take you out. That's a very confusing system, but it works. So no to the cowboy. No to the cowboy.

Instead, he decided to join. Maybe he just didn't want to wear the arseless chaps. Yeah, I think that drew the line at the arseless chaps. Back right on from, if you wear arsless chaps, you better wear arsless chaps. If you are in arsless chaps. You better fucking wear them. All the time. Wace, not want not.

So instead he decided to join Jimmy Hart's heel stable. Now, Dave, explain what a heel stable is. Okay. So, well, heel in wrestling is the bad guys. Yes. Oh. The good guys usually referred to as face. Short for baby face, apparently, I learned.

Is that where it comes from? I don't know that. Face and heel. So heels the badies. Interesting. I wonder why. Yeah, why, do you know why heel? Is it foot?

I'm actually not sure. Yeah. Someone will tell us. He's in a heel gang. So he's joined, and it was interesting like the guy said, name was the same as his, but no relation. Too many hearts wrestling. They're from different places.

That would be a really nice country song. Two men of hearts were wrestling that day. In the documentary I watched, there was a guy who was a big heel at the time, and he was sort of, he's like, you know, that's just the role. You're the pantomime bad guy. He didn't say put in those words, but you're the guy that you're meant to be hated. And he's like, when I'm out there and they're booing, to me, I'm hearing cheers. That's doing your job.

I'm doing my job. Yeah, yeah. It's like some actors that are just so good at being bad guys. Like Ellen McMahon. Kevin Spacey. Or the great Dennis Hopper. Greg Keneer. You know, it becomes your thing.

Matt, you're kind of the heel of our podcast. You're the bad boy. Yeah, and that's why you can fuck off. Thank you. Matt, you're typecasting yourself with that anger and aggression. Yes. But I didn't realize it was like a heel stable. So he's joined a bunch of other baddies.

Yeah, I guess. You know, they're the bad guy crew. I think if you think about it, some of the teams, when you used to watch it, would have been overall good guys, popular heroes and other teams of the bad guys. Yeah, totally.

And, you know, over years that change. Yeah, that's right. They're talking about that. Yeah, which I found fascinating. And they did the weirdest thing where they'd, like, wrestle under one name, go away for like maybe six months, to come back, new character.

No one's questioning it. That's weird. Yeah, that's weird. I didn't know about that. Can you think of any examples? I know, actually, the rock was rocky. Well, he was the rock and then he was the tooth fairy. And then he was the Scorpion King.

So he's played quite a few characters. And then he's the guy from Fast and the Furious. And then he was in Bridge to Terribithia. I think. Is that the one he's in? He's in a lot of movies. No, I don't think that's the one of him. I think he's from the Christopher Walken school of saying yes to whatever people ask you to do.

Say yes like Christopher Walken? Yes. Nailed it. Yes. But yes, I will. Okay, Dolly Parton. Yeah. Yeah.

That was Christopher walking impersonating Dolly Parton. Having a good time. What are we talking about? Oh, yeah. So The Rock. So he, I read that he, you know, when you're doing these reports and you go, I'm like, I was reading about The Rock for a good half an hour. I'm like, he's got nothing new with this fucking story.

Go back to the report. He's paying off. He came up. So he started out. I can't think of his full name, but it was Rocky something. And his name was a split between his dad and his granddad's wrestling names. Right, because he's like, they always built him as the third. It was the first third generation wrestler.

Oh, that's cool. And his nickname earlier was Blue Chipper. Oh, don't like that. He was a blue chipper. No, I don't enjoy that at all. And he, the crowds just didn't get into him. He was meant to be a face, but they didn't really get into him. And then he really got popular when he sort of reinvented himself as the Rock.

Oh, when he was the Rock, he was the most popular restaurant. The people were up. Probably the elbow or something? No, the people's shoulder? The people's elbow. Yeah. Inside or outside? It was outside of the other way.

The weanus. Unbelievably popular. Yeah. And people say that, yeah. Anyway, I quite like him. I think he's great. He's funny.

He's a cool guy. I follow him on Instagram. Yeah. Oh, you must. I think he's got like 50 million followers, something crazy. Because he plays good content. He's a great content creator. I...

This episode brought to you by The Rock. Hate every. everything you just said. That's the point of it. But I love your smug little face when you just said it. There's someone so fun to talk about content. Content. You're talking about it seriously.

But I joke about it so much that it's becoming a habit. Oh, it's good content. Oh, it's great. I love it, though. But we message each other that a lot. Oh, great content. Some good content here. Yeah, you give my tweet some sweet burns.

Oh, great content. Hey, Dave, do you know the thing that is a rule in wrestling, that's a word. And it means we basically don't acknowledge it as fake. Have you heard of that? It came up a few times, but I, and I was just wondering, it's called K-Fabe or something like K-Fabe. K-Fabe. Yes.

Which is a really weird word. I'm not sure what its history is. It's an interesting word, but it just means like publicly, even though everyone knows it's fake. You don't drop the story. Yeah, you never drop character. You never drop the story. And that is, that is like the number one rule of professional wrestling. they get pissed off at their performance because they're seen like hanging out in real life with their enemy or...

Yeah. You're sort of dropping it. You got to live it. Yeah. That's a bit rough. It's a bit rough. But at the same time. Sometimes the bad guys.

Like, I remember when I was in grade five, I lined up for about three hours at a mire with my dad to get a piece of paper signed by this like classically bad wrestler called cane. at the time he wore this big red mask and his nickname was the big red machine because they built him is 6 foot 11 and he looked that big to me because I was you know 11 and remain that's your measurement

11 inches yeah 11 inches oh I'm talking about you dead but he was so Matthew he was so so nice yeah I'm sure he was even like he was so that's one thing that they break the thing so sweet of your dad to line up with you

my dad because he loved wrestling growing up. Oh, really? Yeah, and he sort of got me into it. I had a toy of this 80s wrestler called Hillbilly Jim. Such a funny. Who would come out wearing blue overalls and a farmer's hat. Very good.

It used to be more like it was like even more like clowny, theatery sort of stuff. Yeah, like the bad guys were really bad. Yeah. Like you knew. You didn't have to guess which is a heel and which is a face. Yeah, and they were like villains, but those sort of super villains for the safety. of being a villain like there's no

it doesn't help them at all it's just I like doing bad stuff yeah and everyone's like woo that's awesome and then the hero comes out

and takes them out yeah so my dad really got me into it and when I was the next year in grade six I went to see the wrestling

at the at Rodlaver arena when it came out Hulk Hogan was there no how exciting so cool

when what year would this have been 2002 right and what was it was it was WWE yeah

so it just become W. Maybe a year. I reckon it was 2002 maybe was the year that it happened. Yeah, WWE and I saw, yeah, Hulk Hogan, Brock Lesnar, who's now a big UFC fighter. Oh, so he's, yeah, which is like as real as fighting gets.

Was the Rock? No, I don't think the Rock was there. I think Triple H, who's one of the other big guys was there? Yeah, when I was growing up, the three biggest people were Triple H, the Rock and Stone Cold Steve Austin. That's cool. That's great. How do you say that out loud?

Austin 316, just like a biblical... Because he quite, there was a character he had a big speech against. This is another thing that read it when I was getting sidetracked. Whereas it was like a Bible bashing character. Like a, like some's all born again Christian or something like that, another wrestler. And he goes, he said something like, you know, he's going, you know, you can thump your Bible as much as you like. You can tell me about John 316.

well here's stone cold Steve Austin 316 suck my dick or something like that I'm definitely paraphrasing there but he was such a badass his thing was he'd always say you're on these old was the woman you're in the film

as the dick you suck and he I was thinking the same thing his big thing was he would win and then he'd stand on the turnbuckle and then someone from the crowd would throw him A dick. Two cans of Budweiser.

Sure. He'd shake him up, like crack him and then smash him into each other. Like, and then pour him and like drink him. And he used to get a little bit in his mouth. Yeah, he had some. But mainly just make a mess. Mainly just waste. Oh, seriously, it's just smack.

And then they'd throw two more beers and he'd do it again. Oh, I thought it was so cool. Did you? Stickiness. Totally. Stickness is so cool. It's so strange. I thought it was so cool.

But did you know that it was all bullshit? Or did you sort of, because it's about, suspending your disbelief, right? You go, I'm in. I'm in the bubble now and I just sort of believe it. And I would be pissed off. Watching a drama on TV. Yeah, exactly.

When you're watching that, you're watching a TV show. You know that they're millionaire actors. Yeah. What? Pardon? Orange is a New Black is not a documentary. Hang on. I'm watching that doco's Seinfeld from the 90s.

Run for nine years. What's the deal with cell phone? What was that? So, we're talking about how, you know, your heels could turn into faces and faces into heels. They call that a turn. Interesting. That's wrestling parlance.

Parlance. Parlance. I like that a lot. So, yeah, the heart turned into a face. He had a turn, a face turn, they call it. He turned into a face in 1988. Just does this all the time. Yeah.

I turn constantly. You go from heel to face, heel to face. Hill toe, heel toe. Heal toe. Step together. I'm all about it. First position. So, yeah, that was. After about four years in the WWF, he became a face.

Oh. A hero character. So he was bad, so before, do you know what his bad name was? Uh, I think it was just as him, I think it was just built it as himself. I didn't read. Because some of them are just, you know, like their name. Yeah. Like the guy was talking about before, Brock Lesnar.

This is his name. I think he, he was still as himself. I don't think he'd become the hit man as yet, but he, um, he was just, yeah. Cool. Just a bad guy and the bad guy crew. So yeah, his catchphrase I said before I'm the best there is The best there was

And the best there ever will be Ever will be His signature finishing move Dave, do you know this No, maybe I'll It was the sharpshooter It was a version of the Sessori Gatame Move popularised by Japanese wrestler

Ricky Chosu Or Rike Chosu Other wrestlers have used similar moves named things like the scorpion death lock, the Boston Crabb, the Cloverleaf leg lace, and the standing reverse figure four leg lock. Oh, that's all... And they're all basically the same thing, but when you've got a signature move, you'll give it your own name. And the thing for me is, I don't know how they get the name out there.

I think maybe the commentators just say it. Like, the people's elbow. Yeah. Oh, the Rock had so many sweet moves. The People's Elbow. I don't know if you... Did he used to... Did he used to...

Hold it up. They'd be on the ground. He would do this dance, essentially, from one side of the ring, bouncing off the rope to the other, pointing to his elbow, like going to the crowd, what, what, what?

And then he would just like drop his elbow, miss their face, of course. And then that would be like, there's no chance of coming back from that. It's so funny because it's like, if you're meant to think it's real, then you're either thinking, geez, he's...

He'd better hurry. up and do it. This guy could get up at any... Or you're thinking, no, he doesn't need to hurry up because that guy's out cold and he's now going to go smash his face with his elbow.

Either of those scenarios are fucked. Just in case this guy's brain damage wasn't already taking effect. Yes, I do love that there's all those names. That's all a big part of the fun. What would you call your signature move? I'd call mine the reverse people's elbow and I'd rub the inside of my elbow

on their head. Cop that, dicko! I like it. That's not bad. What would you have, Jess? The old razzle dazzle. The razzle dazzle. No, the old razzle dazzle.

Yeah. I'll just do spirit fingers at him. Woo! The rock's other move was called the Rock Bottom. Oh, that's... Did he sit on them? No. There was this one guy when I was growing up called Rikishi,

who was the size of a sumo wrestler. And he would come out in a, like, a sumo-style G-string. And his thing was he would sit on them and rub his ass in their face. Oh, he'd sit on their face. And they'd go. like, no, no, no, and ass in my face. Yeah, fair, enough. Nobody wants.

That's really strange. Don't do that. Don't do that. Yuck. I'm loving, Larry, living in these guys. I haven't thought about these people in so long. Yeah, this is how I felt was Riverdance and you just shuddle over it. No one's sitting on my dreams is awesome. Everyone's really keen to hear about what I like.

I'm loving. I love the support. What about, maybe I'd do some version of the nipple cripple, but I'd call it something else. The, as I was going to say, Titty Twister. That's just a thing. thing. What's another name for, for,

there's another name for nipples, is there? What about the teat tweak? Oh, that's pretty good. I do, yeah, the teak tweak. Tweak, tweet, tweet, twos. Because often they would do things like, even though in real life,

if someone started doing this to them, you just hit him in the head and get out of it. Like, they, they, are stuff like, you grab their nipple, and they're just like, it's in, undescribable pain. Oh my God, he's touching my nipple. Even though I can just knee him in the bowl or something.

Yeah, like both of my hands are free to defend myself. That's funny, yeah, they get them in those moves like they've got them by the nose or something. And they're on, oh, waving their arms around like, oh, what can I do? No, he's got me. What am I going to do? And then they'll come back. You even did a nasally voice there. God, you're a method actor.

I'm all the way in. Can't improv, but bloody hell I can act. I've always said that about you. Matt's you do it, my friend the actor. Give him a good script. Yeah. He'll give you a good. good bloody performance.

As the 90s War on Heart was becoming one of the superstars of the WWF, he was collecting belts up the wazoo. Like Vince McMahon, who I guess is, and he's, you know, the people below him who write the scripts, they sort of, they saw him as a, as a, the person that should be dragging them along to the next generation, I guess. There was some around, because there was all these controversies about steroids around that time that so they some theories are that they they sort of tapped this guy heart because he wasn't oversized you could he was like realistically built right so he's muscular but but not like

he could be yeah yeah dad so they thought and he was he had kids too you've not met my dad all right my dad why he's more roydie yeah my dad's real roided up right he's huge my dad's shredded Fuck. Yeah, it's intimidate. He can't feed himself because his arms are too big. So we have to feed him. We take turns, going to the airplane.

Where's the food, Johnny? He's just like, put him my fucking nail. Yeah, he hates it. But hey, that's the choice he made. At the same time as Hart sort of building up his big bag of belts, WWF's major competitor, the WCW or the... World Championship Wrestling. Was becoming increasingly popular,

even getting the stage where it was starting to eclipse WWF in the ratings. Right. On June the 17th, 1996, WCW Monday Nitro won the battle of the Monday Night Ratings against WWF, which was the big battleground. Monday Night. They went head to head two of their big shows up against each other. So it was sort of seen as a real key battlefield between the two competitions.

and after it won it this night in June 96, it went on to win Monday night ratings the next 84 weeks in a row. That's WCW. That is over a year. So they started dominating. I can confirm we have taken a five-minute break of consulted calendars and that is over a year. Thank you.

Hey Dave, I know you're kind of the numbers guy here, but you got some competition, mate. Catching up. You're trying to take me on? Monday night rating style? Last week, I told you that somebody was 20, 20 years after they were born. I told you that. She told you that.

She told me that. Born in 1922, you mentioned 1942. I was like 20, 20 years old. Like, it was like that. Like, no, I didn't have to think about it. It was like that. I'm starting to just like see numbers. It's a lucky guess.

Yeah, when she's looking at them, she just... She's starting to recognize numerals. Yeah. She's really coming along. Wow. You guys must be so proud. I'm very proud. According to the Bleach Report, which is an American sports website,

the WCW's success during this period was due to them beating WWF to the punch on knowing what the audience wanted to see, which seems like a key thing. And what the audience wanted to see was something that felt real. That's what it wrote. It was like, not was real. Felt real. Felt it. Like our friendship.

It sounds real. Yeah. God, it's staged. It's not. We did not talk outside of here, but we keep up the K-Fave on Twitter. Yeah. We do. Not on the show, apparently, for some reason, right now. Why you're breaking the K-Fabe there, babe?

Oh, shit, hang on. K-Fabeb. K-Fa-Bb. That's what they say to each other. Dude, K-Fa-Bad. K-Fab. Hashtag. K-Fa-Bab.

Hashtag. K-Fa-Bat. According to the Bleach-Rap-Rap. Up until that point, professional wrestling had spent much of the late 80s and early 90s in a comfortable zone. zone of family friendly programming that had a certain stench of cheesiness to it. Like this guy called Hillbilly Jim. Yeah, I guess so. Stench of cheesiness.

Cartoon-like characters over-the-top acting and repeated enhancement matches featuring the Big Star versus the no-name. Have you heard of this? No, what would they do? That's so funny. So they'd take a big name, put them up against a no-name, and the big name would just build, start like getting their signature move popular with the crowds and stuff.

So they just do it over and over again beating these no-name. But they could do that against other famous people because it's all scripted, ma'am. But then, no, the point was that then they'd do, so they'd get the, they'd build up the big name, even bigger, get his move big. And then they'd get him up against another big name and make it a pay-per-view. Oh. So just, yeah, kind of, but I think people were getting a bit bit over there. They're pretty bored of seeing me fight the rock. And then go...

Oh, I would never get bored of that. That would be... The people's... The people's elbow on me like five times. I'd just watch my friend die. Oh, how much fun. So fun. He would miss...

His biceps are thicker than my stomach. He'd miss you with the people's elbow there. Yeah. He's trained on doing it to like... You'd just go under his legs. You'd be an easier target to miss, I imagine. Wouldn't you? The smaller you are, the easier...

out of miss? Surely. That makes sense. So WCW changed a lot of this, all this cheesiness, supposedly. They were back by the Uber Rich Ted Turner. Oh, CNN.

Rich from Uber before it was a thing. That's interesting. Did not take off. He lost billions. Wow. He started poaching WWF stars as well. What's taking them out with sniper rifles? Yep, like a hitman.

No, poaching them like a... On safari. No, putting them in a boiling whirlpool of water. His trick was vinegar. Works every time. The biggest star that WWF had created up to that point was Hulk Hogan, and he was brought over to WCW by Turner on the big kish.

Business was getting pretty hard for McMahon and the WWF brand. Shit! And he needed to change. He'd be beaten by Turner's WCW. This was his moment. It's now or never, Vinci. What should I say, Mr. McMahon? Not yet.

Sorry, still Master McMahon. Still Master. As the Monday Night Ratings War continued, the WWF transformed itself from the more cartoony, family-friendly product to become more adult- aimed. This time... It became boxing.

It became porn. Mix with boxing. They'd secretly film people having intercourse, and then Mike Tyson would turn up and just start punching them. It's also fun. Do you think it's funny hearing Dave say intercourse? I don't know how to feel about that. Say it again.

I just can't. No, I don't want you to either. Yeah. That was weird. I made me go to another place in my mind. Place I wasn't sure I wanted to be. I'll get back to you. Still deciding.

Yeah, I don't want to be there. So this time in WWF's history has become known as the Attitude Era. Oh. So what use this? This is a mid-noburn. 90s. Right. Yeah, that was our attitude era too.

Fuck yeah, I was rocking that. The attitude... I had a mohawk. And a leather jacket. Wow. In grade three. Yeah. Not even younger.

Grade one. So the attitude era saw a more violent style come in, a more violent style of a wrestling. Yeah. It's terrible for my generation. And it also led to more politically incorrect characters and storylines being created for their shock value. Great. It became a bit of it.

Yeah, just trying to... Do you have examples? Anti-fifference. feminist man. I believe there were some, yeah, pretty... Back in the kitchen, tuts. Women don't tell me what to do. I tell them what to do.

I also want to point out we're both shimmying as we say next slide. Check out my pecks. They're not boobs like a lady has. Yuck. Yuck, but I still like boobs. I objectify women all the time. Let me hear you say objectify. There was a lot more objectifying women.

They started really sexualizing the female wrestlers. The women I remember. growing up, most of them did have large fake breasts that were often on display. And they were not wearing much. They were never wearing very much clothing. But I mean, yeah, I guess the guys weren't wearing a lot either. So I was thinking about it. It's different.

It is different. It is different. And so it should be. It's okay if they don't wear much. We can objectify men. You just can't do it to us. No, but I mean, I don't know if that's, yeah, that's a confusing thing. Yeah, that's sort of like, it is okay.

It's totally acceptable for a man to go around topless and not be sexualized. So it's a confusing thing. Actually, the only time that annoys me is when it's a really hot day and I'm out for a run and dudes are running with no shirt. And I'm like, fuck, I want to do that. Oh, whenever, whenever I... Just do it, Jess. The future starts now. When I see a man running without his shirt off, I get annoyed and I say, take it off.

Take it off. Take it off, you're hot. No, when I see... Get it off now. Get it off. Get it off. Get it off. And stay chanting out his car window. Woo! Get it off, big, boy!

Yeah! Now, when I see a man with his shirt off, especially when it's not that hot, I'm just like, go fuck yourself. It pisses me up so bad. If he's left the house with no shirt and I'm like, come on, mate. But sometimes if they got it, like, tucked into their shorts or they're holding their top, I'm like, that's fine.

Are you serious? Yeah, I don't really care. It's fine. Keep the fucking shirt on. I agree. I agree because a lot of the time, it's like a tiny singlet that they've taken off. And I'm like, you could, I don't think you're making much of a different. Another thing I hate. Singlets.

Why? What do you want him to run in? A fucking wetsuit? Yes. Please. With flippers. Just really surprised us up with that suggestion. She's like, what's the opposite of a singlet?

Let's see how big I can go. Oh, my goodness. I went big. Oh, I've bought it out of the bag here. This would be a ridiculous thing to run in. Picture it. Perkins. Packets.

What do you want him to run in? A bloody astronaut suit? Yes, whilst wearing flippers. Perkins, Perkins. So this change led to a big surge in the popularity of pro wrestling in general, but WWF sort of saw a resurgence as well. And this new era brought several wrestlers to start them, including the anti-hero stone called Steve Austin.

What a guy. The Rock. Mankind. Yes, McFoley. He's also a lot of characters. Right, because I remember seeing. I remember seeing mankind. Because I reckon I was on TV for a while in the mid-late 90s, maybe,

on free-to-air in Australia, maybe Channel 9 or something. And I vaguely remember seeing mankind. But that's, I can't remember. So he'd wear a mask. Yeah, like this weird sort of, almost like a horror mask. And he was like kind of... Like a horror mask. And he was like fucked up.

Like he would talk to a sock. Oh, yes. You talk to a sock. And he would like do these crazy matches. I think Mick Foley, the guys, actually look crazy himself because he would do these crazy long matches and they would do like steel cage matches with weapons and stuff and he would actually have his head cut open and stuff.

Oh. And there's, he's just very good at what he does. He's a method wrestler. One time he jumps off the top of this steel cage thing and he actually knocks himself out. Oh. You can see video over on YouTube. Yeah.

So he was obviously a fan favorite because he was actually look like he was doing bad stuff to his body. Yeah. Yeah, that's so fun to watch. You want to believe, I guess. Yeah, because as a fan of wrestling, the realer it seems, the more you can convince yourself with the real, I guess. Yeah, but I don't want to see people get hurt.

That's the same with, that's why I don't really like watching boxing, or UFC, because you're actually seeing people. Yeah. Like, really, really hurt each other. I don't really like that. No. You guys are soft. Yeah.

Yeah, I like to watch kittens. But my favorite thing about... Bixing. Kittens, boxing is the best thing ever. But I love that UFC. wrestler Connor McGregor, UFC fighter, I should say, because he's like a wrestler

because he has crazy attitude. Yeah. And that's part of his brand. Like he's done it wrestling style. Yeah, that's smart because he's sort of done it. I haven't thought about it like that. But he's way richer than the other guy. Like that...

You've got to be really good as well, though. He won two belts. First got to win belts over two weight divisions, his own division and the one above him. He challenged the guy and beat him. That's pretty great. And then he's like, I've been talking a lot of shit about people.

And I just want to say, I'd like to apologize To absolutely nobody Oh, crowd goes wild That's such a wrestling thing Yeah, that's true That is classy And like he shoots videos himself

Driving like sports cars And driving private planes and stuff It's all part of the image Yeah, it's smart And that's your brand You make yourself richer by It's a weird system But yeah, it's weird isn't it?

People love that But I appreciate it People love a bit of arrogance sometimes That's what we do If you already like him a bit And also It seems to make them love them Also the fact that he actually

Backs it up every time. That helps as well. We need to talk about our social media content then. Content, yeah. What we need to do is film us on private planes driving Lamborghinis. On the plane. Apologizing to know, yes!

Lamborghini's on a plane and then people will give more to our Patreon even though, because we look like we don't need it. Oh, I see. We don't need your money. Right now, we could really use it. We can really use your money right now. Well, that's what we're pretending. Yeah, pretending.

Wait, what? That's the characters we're playing. We should go from face, poor people to heal, rich people that... We don't need your money. We didn't need your Patreon. And then they'll give us money. Exactly. And then we can eat.

The hitman didn't like the new direction. The WWF was going to sexy, the sexy new one direction. Because he was a wholesome guy. And he, you know, sure, pretended to bash people for a living. But he didn't appreciate the sexy violent. Yeah, come on PC. Heart by name. Bashing.

Heart by nature. Over the people. I'd wrestle a little mania. This time there were also people he started really disliking other wrestlers that were coming up in popularity. Like this one guy, Sean Michaels. Oh, yeah, HBK, the Heartbreak Kid, who he bills himself as that right. Look him up. He's like the most average looking dude with a ponytail in his mid-40s and he's still like,

and his song, he comes out to a song that's like, I think I'm sexy. And then women would cheer him on. And that was his image, even though he was. It's so funny that you can create, Even beyond like things like you can fake things like I'm a bad guy even though you're like behind the scenes you're like a nice guy But you can't come out and pretend that you're good looking or apparently you can yeah and he was like shorter than all the others not as muscular But he but he was really he was a heel and but people yeah say well was like the ladies were into him I guess but heartbreak kids a good name but he was also he was also a real showman and and it was kind of everything

that the hitman hated about wrestling's new direction supposedly. But supposedly not only his character hated it. Apparently in real life they were also feuding, sort of in character and out of character. So K Fabe was really confusing off the seat. Yeah, that's right way to you. Hang on, are you actually pissed off at me? Very confused.

That Facebook message you sent to me. Was that real? Which pissed off? Because no one can see that. Is this the pissed off you are about the wrestling stuff or the stuff about me owning that cash? Because I can't tell. Tell me which one.

Sean? Sean, hello. I always dislike Sean Michaels. You disliked him or liked him? I did not like him at all. Right. Heartbreak kid though, I'm a fan of that. I suppose at 12, I'm not getting the possible irony of him not being that attractive.

Yeah. I was just a bit like, who's this dude with a ponytail that all the women care about? I care about the cool musly dudes that like beat each other upheaps. Also Stone Cold Steve Austin There was a bit of feuding between him I think that was more in the world Him and the hit man Oh right cool

At WrestleMania 13 Heart faced off against Stone Cold In a submission match Which Dave you can explain maybe Oh I think it's It just keeps going to there's a submission Keep going until someone taps out So rather than usually the winner is

Like a fall Which you mean you pin them to the ground for three seconds Oh yeah One Two three taps you're out. But like this one, it's like, I've got you in an arm hold and I'm going to break your arm and then eventually after about 15 minutes genuinely. If they're the main match, who would have been in the position? And he'd be crawling. Because if you grab the rope and you

have to let them go. Right. And then you'd bring them back off the rope and you do it and they'd crawl around and they'd nearly, nearly to, and they've tapped 15 minutes later. Right. Just really drawing out. It goes just so long. Sounds great. Kind of watch. Any Irish dancing around? Yeah, that'd be more interesting. Oh, God. I just a little bit of move. A little bit more, you know.

Yeah, 300 steps per second. A bit more emotion in it. So in this mission match, Austin suffered a cut to his face. Can't fake that. Jess, it's real blood. Stop yelling at me. And it was bleeding.

We're just trying to make you hate it, Jess. We're trying to get you to be a heel, but you're like, I just don't care. Yeah. Because I'm not a monster who shits on other people's loves. Okay, I'll hate it. I'll hate it if you like. Fine, poo on my chest.

If that'll make you happy. Fine, is that what you want? All right, I'm taking my shot up. I don't. I don't, I'm not going to poo on you. Fess your shit on my dreams and you pared on my chest. I don't know. That's the two things we'll remember from this episode, Jess Perkins.

Ms. Perkins. Dave, she doesn't want to do it. I don't want to poo on you. You keep coming up these weird scenarios. It's too late. The shirt is off. He does have his shirt off. I'm lying on the floor with the mic.

Put it back on. I'm ready for my destiny. Well, I am not ready. That's weird because you asked for it. Off mic, perhaps. Maybe Matt's done some fancy editing where he took out the phrase, I'd like to shit on your chest. This is taking a real weird turn.

Please do go on. So Steve Austin is bleeding quite a lot out of his post. That's right. That's what we're up to. And Hart got him in his signature finishing move, Jess, which you will recall is the... A little whoopsie daisy. He's got him in the little whoopsie daisy. Oh, the backwards whoopsie daisy.

The backwards Cincinnati whoopsidazy. Yeah, Cincinnati Whoopser Daisy. Is it the sharpshooter? The sharpshooter. But Austin refused to tap out. Eventually, like it, and it was like you were saying just did, would refuse to tap out. And then eventually he passed out from blood loss. What?

Which is what they say I don't, I can't, like, the whole time reading this, I'm like, I have no idea where the truth. There'd have to be a lot of blood everywhere. You'd have to lose like a litre right? That's a lot of blood. It feels like that's part of the script. And also, like a tiny cut on your head will bleed a lot.

But not like a litre? No, I don't know. That's then or is it? Oh, good point. I don't know, I'm entirely sure why. But I just know the head wounds will always bleed a lot. It always looks a lot worse than it is. Because a lot of blood's got to go to your brain.

There's lots of shit around there. So like a little cut will just pour blood, but it's tiny. and nothing. Right. But it's just... Yeah, so we'll assume that that's bullshit. Anyway, so in the story, and I get... This might have even been part of it.

But at this period... Oh, anyway, I'll get to that later. The... I've just had too many thoughts in a row. So, yeah. So, like someone's getting excited by wrestling? He refused to tap out. I hate it.

You know, I pretty much always get excited about the topic or anything. When I read this much about anything and watch documentaries and stuff, I'm like, I'm in. Yeah. So, you know, I'm not read this much. Yeah, he refused to tap out, eventually passed out, which meant Hart is awarded the win. But despite this year... Hang on, that's not a submission, that's a passout. Yeah, that's interesting.

I guess the submissions are all passouts. But he refused to let go of the hold even after the match was over. Even though Stone God's passed out. He's passed out. And he's like holding a man... In the Cincinnati... That's limp. I'm not sure if it was this match or another one, and he even like he was just playing real dirty.

and he kicked him when he was down. I'm not sure if that was this one or a different one, but basically this match. Is he hurting him for real? I don't know. Parfay. I don't talk about it because of the parfei rule. At WrestleMania 13 is, I'm trying to think of that word.

K-Fabe. Parfay. Parfay is a dessert. Everybody love parfes. Parfay's a delicious. Shrek, we got that Shrek episode happening one day. I like that boulder. That is a nice.

It's bolder. Still got it. So yeah, so that was WrestleMania 13. So in that match, Stone Cold Steve Austin went from heel to face. No. The hitman heart went from face to heel. They switched.

No. It was a very rare occurrence of a double turn. Oh, that is so hard. What a rare occurrence. I would have loved to have witnessed that occurrence. Would you? Because I do. But I would have seen

But, O'Carr. It's just so rare to see a double Turn. It's just not something that occurs. I cannot remember the last time that occurred. The Canadian? That sounds Canadian.

I don't know what it is. So how it was now... What a historical occuras. Let's mark this day. The day of this occurring. Laudette It all I can't

Wait I'd say You guys saying I said a occurrence funny No you're fine I legit Didn't even hear you say But I'm just repeating

Her impression of you No I said it weird I thought I thought I thought you got away with it I thought I was gonna get away with it I don't think anyone noticed Because the funny thing is

If I do stop And go back And repeat myself Yeah we haven't I don't be like Man no one cares It's fine And this is the exact reason

Yeah that's right Make me the bad guy. You're the fucking heel. You're the heel. Okay. Well, lardy fucking da. It made me love. Now you want to shit on Matt's chest, huh?

Yeah, I'm going to shit on both of your chest. Oh, wait, what? I don't want this. They heard it. It's not about what we want, Matt. What a strange thing for you to accuse me of, David. Good heavens. I'm a lady.

Well, you're only as old as the lady that shits on your chest. And that is not a regular, a carress. That would be true. in your case, Steve. Yeah, because we're the same age. So now... By a couple of days. If anything, you'd age two days.

Then our heart is a villain, right? At least in the United States. What do you mean? In the United States... And he started... He started... Because he's a dual citizen, but he's sort of Canadian-born.

He's got a Canadian accent. He started... His character, at least, started bagging out of America more and more. So he really embraced. Right, because Stone Cold is like all-American. Yeah. From the South. And there are other characters, like...

Other occurrences. The Patriot, maybe. Is that someone? That's a Mel Gibson movie. Didn't he go on a wrestle after that? Is that a Mel Gibson movie? Heath Ledger. Without Heath Ledger?

Yeah. He did. Yeah. So, yeah, one speech in an American, like most of the wrestling is in America, but some is in Canada, obviously. but one American match this is in the documentary goes

Canada is a country where we still take care of the sick and the old we still have health care we have gun control Canada isn't riddled with racial prejudice we don't go around shooting each other Whoa a little too real there mate Which was yeah that one and the American crowds Like whoa boo

But shootings are a regular occurrence here so He is saying Because he was I don't know if you got the subtle point there We were saying all those things are not true for America. And in another time, at a match in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, we have listeners from Pennsylvania, including in Pittsburgh, Go Penguins, as I always say. And when he was in Pittsburgh, he said, and if you were going to give the United States an enema,

you'd stick the hole right here in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Oh, wow. So then, like the asshole, I guess. So he's a real bad guy now. Brutal. You'd stick the hole right here. I don't think that's how our enema's work. Yeah, you don't choose where the hole is.

Hmm, but do you? You'd say you'd stick the tube. Yeah, I think that's what he meant. Hmm, maybe they call, uh, tube holes in, in Pittsburgh. Oh, yeah, maybe it was talking to local lingo. I don't think so. So those sort of jabs are all part of his storyline. Jabs.

And he has said later that he regretted the Pittsburgh line. He liked Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh. Picksburg. Fuck. Pittsburgh. The American. Go Pingans. Go Pingans.

Go Pingons. Go Pings. The American crowds increasingly turned on him. I was kind of thinking, watching this documentary in particular, I was thinking that's so funny how easily the wrestling crowds are manipulated like that. That's what I was thinking at first, then I'm like sort of realizing that, you know, the wrestlers are all acting and the crowds sort of are as well.

They're just in on it. They're playing the game. Yeah. So they're not being manipulated. They know it's all bullshit, but they're still like their role is to hate the heel and to love the hero. That's just how it goes. And I think in some instances it goes the other way, like they'll turn on a go.

And I think like the rock early on was meant to be a face. But he... Isn't just not buying it? I think, yeah, they didn't get into him. Like, it doesn't necessarily work. But usually I think they get on board the one that's meant to be the hero and they are against someone that's a villain. I found that interesting because I reckon the first half of me sort of researching it, I'm going, wrestling fans, I don't get it. Like, how do you get so into it?

How do you buy it? But then I think I read someone say about, you know, what's the difference between movies? I'm like, oh, I'm like, oh, I'm like, oh. Yeah, that's all, because I was thinking like Avengers movies. Yeah, there's two sides. You hate the bad guys, love the good guy. I get so into it.

I know it's all bullshit, but I love it. It's the same sort of thing. You're still thinking, fuck them up. Yeah. Go Captain America. Yeah. I like Captain America. If I was going to put the anima, I'd put it right here in...

Captain America's Shield. I was going to put it in Ultram's butt. That's better. That's better than the shield. Why would you put in the shield, Dave? He needs that. Can't put a hole in it. Can't put a hole in that's made of pure, that special metal.

Yeah. The name of which I have forgotten. Shieldanium? Yep. Metardium. Unobtainable. Yep, that's the one. But he was still a huge star.

I continued from halfway through a sentence. And due to this, he was offered huge money by Ted Turner to come up. across to WCW. Ah. At the same time, Vince McMahon didn't want him to go, so he offered him a contract for less money, but a much longer contract,

I think around 20 years, like a long contract. Okay, I'm going to give you a contract. It's less money, and it's less time, but I'd like you to stay. But his thing was because... There is literally no perks to this.

No perks. There is no pro, there is only cons. In the documentary, he said... What do you say? And then he slides it across the table. That's how you get him. The slyb.

Slide. Slide it over to me. I'll say yes. Yeah. Also, yes. In the documentary you were saying how, you know, he felt like, you know, they were fighting over him a bit and it felt like it was the prettiest girl in the ball sort of thing.

And he found the decision pretty hard because, like, the money from WCW was big. But he saw McMahon as a father figure and he felt really loyal to the WWF brand. I mean, his career was all based on McMahon, basically. You know, he was the one that put him up there, made him, you know, wrote him into winning titles and stuff. You can't do it without, you know. It being decided. Yeah.

So, I mean, you've got to play your part. You've got to be, you know, you've got to play this role and the crowds are got to, you know, react to you one way or another, I guess. But still, you need someone to be on your team who's writing the scripts. It was interesting. I was wondering about it. Like, what happens? Does it always go to script?

And there was one fight. I think it was in London where he was scripted. to win the fight, Hitman was. And during it, he broke his sternum. So he had to lose the fight. They had to, like, change the script mid thing, and he was out. So he, so sometimes, if there's a real injury, it might go the other way. How do you reckon they communicate that?

Yeah, there's got to be a good way. Like, it's not going well. It's not a joke. He just showed his sternum. He pulled it out of his chest. He said, this is not meant to be out here. Waving at the camera. No good.

I need this bit inside of me again. Can we write this up? Yeah, I submit. I'm submitting. I'm not enjoying that mental image. What was I talking about? Oh yeah, so yeah, he's happened to make a decision between WCW and WWF. But because he sees McMahon as somewhat of a father figure and also felt loyal to WWF,

he accepted the long-term deal to stay. Wow. You know, basically meaning that he'd, because he was about 40 by the stage, I think. So he's sort of seeing him out, really. Yeah, he's got job security. Yeah, totally. And you know what? That's hard to come by.

In the arts, which this is. Totally is. The big war with WCW, though, was taking its toll on WWF, the business. And despite fighting to keep Hart, McMahon eventually turned around and said to Hart that he probably should go and see if you can still get that big money deal that was offered by WCW. What? Yeah.

Hey, I've been the... thinking about it. It's pretty dumb if you don't say yes to that. It was sort of that as well as like... What did he not want him anymore? He kind of didn't want him anymore. I think it made sense for him. Other people were coming up.

It was almost like his storyline was almost playing out. Steve Austin was coming up now, the rock. People were taking over as the number one guy anyway. And also he was... The long-term deal seemed bad because he was about to float on the market. just physically flowed or no so and because when he was going public long term

do you call him liabilities what do you call long term I guess so whatever they're called in accounting world Jess a bad news apparently unattractive for potential investors some shit like that

right I guess we could imagine it's pretty hard to get rid of them if it's not going well or you've got to pay them out heaps yeah I guess so Hey, we didn't need you anymore, but we've contracted you for 15 more years. So here is a million dollars for each of those years. Yeah, yeah.

And we're not getting any more from you. Yeah. So, yeah, so there were those kind of reasons, and it made him, which would have felt a bit, you would have felt a bit hurt as Hart. And I'll Brett the hitman hurt. Yeah, that's right. So he basically was forced out, right? But Hart was able to lock in that deal with WCW.

Oh, all right, this is good. Ending his around 14 years with the WWF. Is this the screw job? It's leading up to it. Oh. Because I thought him being screwed... The whole topic is the screw job. Yeah, we're not even there.

I should get to it. I thought him being screwed over by McMahon was going to be the screw job. Okay. Or McMahon, we've called him... It is definitely a part of it. So he's going to WCW, but the deal didn't kick in immediately. So he had a few months left to run on his WWF. contract and between them they had to figure out how his storyline would come to an end with

the company in the contract though Hart had a clause written into it that include that said that he would have some creative input to the storyline so what he did was a moving interpretive dance piece I'm moonwalking out of here and I'm gone and he's shimmy the whole way back the thing that complicated it was that he has no creative Was the... Yeah, he's like, I've got no ideas, but I'd like to have him put. He was the... Sequins. I don't know.

He was the champion at the time. So, yeah, he was the holder of the belt. All right. So you have to give it the belt and leave. Yes, that's right. So... Oh, they're going to do a match where he says, if I get beaten, I'll walk, because he's so confident. And then he gets beaten.

That is a great idea. Do they do that? That sounds like a good definitely. Yeah, that would make sense. What did you say? Oh, you're not fucking listening. No, I'm trying to get to... What did you say, sir?

I said they'll do a match where he's really cocky leading up to it, and he says like, well, if I lose this one, then I'm out. Yeah, like, I bet my career on this belt. And then he loses. He's like, well, I said I'd do it, and then he leaves. Well, the tricky thing was, because, you know, he was going to WCW anyway, and at first they... Well, so yeah, they can't kill him off. They can't kill him.

They agreed to keep it a secret, but McMahon sort of... reneged on that and he went out and announced it because he was worried that WCW would break the story I think so he came out and did it first I said it first yeah basically he wanted to own the in the narrative I guess um we said go he didn't he didn't quit just saying it just saying end of press conference Hart was worried that if he went out a winner um he'd take the belt to like one of the WCW shows and ridicule it and put it in the bin, you know, piss on it or something,

shit on it, shit on his chest and then rub it in the belt. Rub it into the belt. So that's getting shit on his hand. No, he's puts a glove on. And the idea of that would be that he, and the idea would be that that would be sort of, you know, like not good PR for WWF. Oh, him shitting on a belt.

And wiping a poo stained glove on top. to the belt. To me it would be worse. That would look worse to WCW. And McMahon's like, I'll own it. I'll shit on the belt myself. I'll rub my post and glove on it. I'm not too proud.

But apparently that was a genuine fear of McMahon. He didn't want that to happen. Someone needed to McMahon's plane to him. So they basically needed to figure out a way for heart to leave without the belt. Just lose. And they... Jess already wrote the story. If you now say what I said before...

Quite clearly, I mean, quite clearly, I mean, Are you thinking that maybe there's something, maybe something more complicated than that? Oh, no. Well, the more complicated thing is that he doesn't want to, he doesn't want to go out a loser. What a deaver. If you're going to take the million dollar contract, mate,

you've got to take one for the team. It's a tricky thing, right? So I had to figure out a way that would leave everyone happy because he had, in his contract, some creative control of this situation. But he won the fight, but then he died. There was a big event coming up in Montreal, Canada. called the Survivor Series.

And the obvious plan would have been for Hart to just go down to the second banana of the WWF. Number two banana. Number two banana. Number two banana. Number two banana. So that the second banana would become the first banana. Number one banana. And the number one banana would become the number two banana and then leave.

That would have been straightforward if the second banana didn't happen to be Hart's biggest rival. Heartbreak kid. Sean Michaels. Oh, fucking Sean Michaels. Don't even get me started about that pretty boy, not pretty boy face. That ugly pretty boy. That ugly pretty boy with a ponytail. He said to McMahon that asking him to lose to Sean Michaels in his home country of Canada

is basically asking him to blow his brains out in the ring. Okay, a bit dramatic. A bit dramatic. A little dramatic. Yeah. And he's like, is that an option? Yeah, can we do that? Sean Michaels does stuff with the Canadian flag around this period.

He's wiping on his ass. He's like fake-humping it. He's wiping his nose with it. Oh, no. Being very disrespectful to the flag, the Maple Leaf. And the beautiful people of Canada are just standing back, not knowing what to do. Because they're so lovely. They're so beautiful.

A young Justin Chudeau is going, look. Look, mate. Violence is not the answer. There's got to be another way. He's right. He's still right. All the way up to the day of the match, they hadn't figured out how... But they've built the match.

The match is built. They're going to wrestle. They just don't know how it's going to end. Oh, fuck. And the documentary crew, who's been following around, is there on the day. This is awesome. Can't believe I've never heard of this. I love wrestling.

I never knew about this. Don't love it that much, indeed. McMahon... Obviously not. McMahon said no... cameras. So, because he wanted, he wanted to chat. Hart and McMahon were chatting before the thing. They had to figure out how, how it was going to go down, what was going to happen. And McMahon's like, no cameras. So Hart wears a wire. He's wearing a microphone.

And the conversation is recorded. And it's basically Hart telling McMahon that he feels a bit hurt about how it's all playing out. That week was playing out. McMahon responds by blaming Ted Turner. He's like, he's the one getting in between us. It's not me. It's not your fault. Vince told him to go. I appreciate everything you've done. Vince told him to go. So he said. He gave Vince the option of staying. Vince fuck this up in life. Yeah, Vince, Vince, is blaming Ted Turner for going so hard at his business, that forcing his hand that he couldn't afford to.

Right. I think he's, you know, he's really, people are superstars. It's like, this guy's being better at business than me. It's his fault. Even though that's, yeah, I don't, I don't fully buy that either. I feel like he kind of was like, really, you're not worth it for me to keep you now. I reckon he's kind of thinking it's better. few have gone, maybe.

But he was still very popular, especially outside of America. Right, where he's about to wrestle. Where he's still a face. And he's a hero in Canada. And Europe, apparently, they love him as well. Yeah, my dad and my mum watched it a little bit, I think. But my dad was, yeah, Brett did him out of heart. He was popular.

Yeah. I imagine in Australia he was a hero. Wow. Yeah, I bet you're yours. In the conversation, Brett suggests that the match ends with something like a schmose. Do you know what a schmoss is? It's a wrestling town. No, but I love it.

It's so good, right. It's spelled S-C-H-M-O-H-Z, I think, something like that, schmoss. Love it. Is it shimauze? It could be schmose. I've heard Americans pronounce it schmoss. Like a shem-ozo? Yeah, that's what I would have almost pronounced it, but I heard them say schmoss.

And that's where the... American listeners are laughing at you right now. Oh, nearly every word I say. True. But the... Maryland. Oh yeah Okay

So someone tweeted and said I was saying Maryland wrong It should be Maryland Is all right I think so Look at the word and say Who's wrong

And what was that other one Some other guy wanted me to say their thing What's their thing Montana Montana That's amazing one Yeah you got that one Montana

I think they wanted you to say it Like fashion Oh Montana There we go That's good That does feel better actually Montana Montana

Montana It gets me every time I want to go there Montana All right, so we're in the office with Brett and Vince. Yes, or even in the corridor. They're like, they're in the stadium. So it's almost showtime, you know?

Wow. It's on the day of. Fuck, and they haven't worked it out. Yeah. And... Don't they have to have, like, like, rehearsals and stuff for the match? It makes it seem like there's no rehearsals. They just, they basically figure out...

The moves. I thought it was all... I did say basically. It's so weird. I'm falling apart. The Higgs boson Lee figured out. So they, I think they sort of, it's more like curbier enthusiasm. They know where they're...

They need to go and then they figure it out a bit along the way. They've got key posts after it. That's how I understand it, but I'm a girl who's been researching this topic for like a week on and off. Not non-stop, to be honest. I got a job. No, you've got a lot. But I've been reading about and watching stuff about it, and that's how I understand it. I may be way off.

There may be our rehearsals. I'm not sure. But they certainly didn't show any rehearsals in the documentary this or. So anyway, a schmauze is where the ring is swamped by wrestlers, which ends the match in like a draw basically. Oh, like a disqualification. Yeah, exactly. So that's what Brett suggested.

He's like, I don't win, but I don't lose. And then the following day, I'll make an announcement that I'm forfeiting my belt. You know, so I don't take the belt. I don't lose. I don't win. It feels like a compromise. Vince is going to say no. And that became the agreed plan.

Vince is going to say yes. McMahon got on board. I feel it. He said yes. Hang on, Matt. I feel like, Dave, back me up here. I feel like Vince is going to think this is a great plan. I feel like Vince is going to say, great, this is a plan.

And then that's going to become their plan. If Jess knows Vince, which she does. Which I do. A shout on his chest that time. Oh, yeah. Look, I reckon you're someone on the ball in your weird way. So let's just check. What did Vince say?

What happened? I said yes. I told you. So that was the plan. You literally just told us. That was agreed upon plan. They had different ideas. And I don't, like, they didn't say exactly what the plan was to lead up to it.

But the plan was that a schmose was going to happen, which is so fun. Plan A? Schmolz. Plan B, refer to plan A. See plan. Doesn't it? It's a weird system. But it works.

It just weirdly works. I don't know how, but it does. It's like, the schmoss hasn't worked. Well, the schmose will solve the schmoss. Just get out of my head. I won't. I'm going to touch your knee. How dare you?

My special spot. So in front of a packed-out crowd, Hart is ready to take on his arched enemy, Sean Michaels. Sean Michaels is... Because I didn't even see him talked about as a heartbreak kid. It's funny that he... Because he's normally, they talked about him as Sean Michaels.

Maybe after this in the early 2000s, he became a heartbreak kid. But when I was watching, he was one of the big guys. He did have hearts on his tight. Right, he was definitely... So maybe he was... Yeah, that's what they've wear, isn't it? Bloody hell.

I don't have all the lingo. They're called tites, sure. I wasn't saying they're not called tites. I'm just saying it's funny that they're wearing tights. Also, he spells Sean with a W, which never sat well. Nah. He enters... So first in Michael's comes out and he sings that song Dave was talking about, how I'm really

cute, I'm real sexy. I think I'm sexy. Oh, I'll post a link to it. It's hilarious. I hate that a lot. And then... second to come out is Brett the Hipman Hart, draped in the Canadian flag, the crowd goes wild, he's in his town, or he's in his country,

and, you know, they're right on board. If I get started, from what I saw, it's almost boring. There's some, you know, wrestling stuff. I don't think it's remembered as a great fight necessarily. It's one of the most infamous fights, but it's not remembered as a great fight, or this whole scenario anyway. I think they were basically following the script up until the point where Sean Michaels has Brett

the hitman Hart in Brett Hart's signature move The Cincinnati Whoopser Daisy The Cincinnati Wopsetay, aka the Cincinnati Sharp Shooter That's right And at this point At this point the plan is for Heart sort of switches around And then he's got Michaels in the sharpshooter Whoops a daisy.

Sorry, the whoops the daisy. And at this point, but before he's able to switch it round, the ref says he's tapped out and calls off the fight, calls Michael's the winner. But did he tap? Video's very clear he did not tap. Oh, no. Does the ring announcement everything go,

and the winner is, ding, ding, ding, ding. By submission. Vince McMahon's ring side, and he's saying, ring the fucking bell, ring the fucking bell, and that's when they ring it. you can hear him say that yeah supposedly i haven't i didn't hear that part it was like there's a lot of commotion going on a low commotion oh my god it was a low commotion going on and then what happens a whole low it was a low commotion that night a whole heap it was real

it's a whole bit of a lot of it to be honest bit of a blur the commotion started a lot commotion and uh i hit the deck and then i hit the hay too too Got 40 winks. I woke up. It was all over. Red Rover. Thank you. Good night.

You're not. Thanks for coming. I'm Michael Cain. Oh. Michael Cain was there. He's been into wrestling. That's how much of a commotion this was. There's a lot commotion.

I like a commotion. Sorry, I'm so keen on this. Back to the story. It's amazing. So what happens in the ring? So in the ring, basically, Michael's grabs the belt. He runs for the rooms. Canadian crowns, you know, going apesh.

Crazy. The look on Hitman Hart's face is like, he's like WTF. His face is like, what the fuck just happened, which is also what WTF stands as well. I've said the same thing twice for emphasis. So he looks genuinely sharp. He's just like, wait, what the fuck? That's not how it was meant to go down. He's like, I was waiting for the schmaws.

Yeah. Where's the schmoss? Where my schmoss at? This is Plan C. We only talked about plane A and Plan B. And then Hart's like furious. He gets up. He's on the ropes.

He spots. McMarn and he spits from inside the ring onto McMahon's face. Oh gross. You're fucking kidding. He just like with this furious look on his face he just goes and just spits on his face.

And you can see it hit his face? And he can see it at his face and McMahon's like... And then he gets out of the ring and he just starts smashing up the court side tables. Like the ring announcers table. Ring of that.

They're like their equipment. Just like there's electrical boxes. He just smashing. him on the ground. Because usually if that happens, I imagine they have it set up ready to smash, but he's actually smashed. Because a lot of people smash into that.

It's like a very breakable table. Yeah, totally. But also the equipment and all that. But he's actually breaking real stuff. Yeah. Oh my God. Then he gets back into the ring. And I'm like I say,

I'm sort of dubious on everything. I don't fully believe anything. But this is all, like this is commonly believed to all be absolutely real. Yep. This is canon. All this. Much like the suggestor of this topic.

Gets back in the ring and he starts doing a symbol with his finger. W. C. W. C.W. Over and over again. Then where he's leaving to, he's like, what? W.C. And people are like, you're really fucking up the YMCA, mate. It is not how this goes.

And yeah, he was doing the C was backwards from our perspective. Is that true? Yeah, I'll letting him have it. I mean, he's writing it for his own perspective. Was you really doing it backwards? He was done so from what you could... Like when people fuck up the YMCO. Shit.

Yeah, it's the C. It's always a C because the M. Can't go wrong. Cann't go wrong. It's just a C. And W. But... W, I reckon that one's pretty ambidextrous.

Anyway, I'm very keen. And then what's happening now? So he went into this match thinking that they were all in it together. You know, they had a plan and they were all in it together. You know, they had a plan and they were. all on the same page. And then he sort of... That wasn't...

It was a bloody screw job. It was a bloody screw job, baby. In Montreal. In Montreal. That's how it got its name. And then, do you reckon Sean Michaels just run off and he's probably left the building? No, he's gone into the rooms?

Oh, I thought he would have, like, just got into a taxi or something. He's got into the rooms. The documentary shows, so obviously the ref was in on it. Apparently working under the, you know, the instructions of McMahon. Oh, only following orders. It turns It, Michael's so there Hit Man Heart goes back in the rooms

Michael's there and he goes Did you know about this? And he said, no man, I didn't know, I didn't know And he tells it later Like, Michael's just like weeping with tears But I didn't see any of that Just like it really upset by it Turns out later I think it's

And Michael's said now that he knew about it He was in. He was in on that. Scumbag They were all, basically all in at the ref McMahon The guy wrote the script What a shit feeling.

Core team. You think you know a guy. So he's backstage. He's in the rooms. He's furious. He tries to get to McMahon, but McMahon locks himself in his office with his posse around him. He's trying to break down the door. He can't get in there.

None of this is on camera. The documentary team doesn't catch any of this. This is just from retelling later. And he's like, he gives up. He goes, hits the showers. He starts to cool down. But then McMahon sort of confronts him. or he says he wants to see him

that's the message that gets past long and Hart goes you better say tell him to get out of here for his own sake right I'm furious don't don't be around here but he doesn't listen he comes in and he's like mate if you don't fuck off

I'm going to punch you in the face and they've both got their possees around him right and this is how the hit man Hart tells it he's like he's like I knew if I'd try to take him on anyway it'd just we'd get pulled apart instantly. So there's almost no point.

He's like, I could maybe get one good shot in. And they think I'm going to go for a hook. So I took him, hit him with an uppercut and knocked him out cold. Wow. Is this true? Oh, I think you better say that he was like, I stepped away. He actually saw he stepped in and punched him in the head. Upercut.

Upper cut. He said it like an uppercut, but he ended up with a black eye. Which I don't know if that's how you get black eyes. Maybe, yeah, maybe he grazed it. It all the way out. Who knows. Oh, he got him. Bang, knocked him out.

In the aftermath, so that's what the, I know there was a long buildup together at that point, but it felt like I had to tell some story. Of course, that was great. You needed a build up. But yeah, it was really, I found a really interesting world. Just even the fact that all of this is made up is more interesting to me. But apparently this changed everything. From here on, WWF took off.

The hitman went over to WCW, but he was managed poorly. Hulk Hogan was sort of first build and he wasn't given enough limelight, I guess. He won some championships with him, but he ended up injuring himself like a couple years into his contract. And he was retired by the year 2000. Around the same time that his brother died, I think he maybe was like, fuck this. Right, yeah. And not too long after that, they started making bad decisions in the WCW. and McMahon ended up buying him out.

Oh, wow. So the WWF swallowed WCW. But apparently this was a real turning point. This was the start of McMahon being his, like the super heel character of the whole wrestling universe. So in the wrestling world, people knew that he'd been fucked over. Yeah. Oh, wow. Wow.

So it was really good for, like, it brought back, because there was a lot of sympathy for Hart. He was brought back to sort of heal, a face status. I've probably been saying heel and face wrong the whole time. I think you've been okay. And so he made... It was 1892 though, wasn't it? 1892, that's right. So he, it was sort of good for his image.

I made McMahon, this super villain that was used ongoing. And then he started even getting involved in matches and stuff, I think, what Dave was saying. Yeah, for sure. He did wrestle. Which is pretty funny. That's crazy. And he's a big, musley dude. Yeah, right.

And then... Nothing an uppercut can't handle. Yeah, cop that. It just led to a really popular era. And some people say that if it wasn't for this whole period, and especially this screw job, they reckon this played a big part into it, wrestling, being an ongoing viable.

Wow. Which is pretty amazing. Wow. In the aftermath, the popular opinion is a little bit split as to who was in the right and who was in the wrong. Like, some people say it's a little hazier than black and white, like should heart have just lost to Michael's maybe you know it's what some people say

he should have just you know he's cheating he's leaving just just say you're gonna lose you know yeah do the thing that you know it's fine it's weird that they couldn't have done it in a different city maybe done in America somewhere you know they had to do it in his home

country but it made me wonder and I don't you guys know Cam Tyson yes he's the biggest wrestling fan I know probably the only big wrestling fan, I know. And I know this because he's doing a festival show at the comedy festival called WrestleMania. It's like a panel show.

About wrestling. Comedy panel show about wrestling, professional wrestling. So I texted him today actually and I said, what do you think about it? And he said, he thinks it's a little more complicated than a black and white thing. He said, Vince was wrong to screw Brett. I love how he just has an opinion ready to go on this. Oh, that's great. Vince was wrong to screw Brett, but he did have to protect his brand and company image. Brett was wrong to stubbornly refuse to job to Sean. Job is lingo

for losing, being scripted to lose. So if you agree, if you're, apparently, wrestlers who go around and their specialty is losing, they're called jobers. Oh, good a job. What a job. Just doing a job. My job is just a guy that I don't lose. But asking him to lay down

in Canada is horrific. Oh, Cam. Sean taking the title was the right call for the feud, but he had the ear of Vince and could have talked him into doing it differently. I just like, this was nearly instant reply. That's amazing. That is amazing. He's saved in his notes ready to go.

He's ready. That's awesome. I couldn't, but I just, the whole way through, and even now, I feel pretty skeptical. Yeah. It's just, it's such a perfect, dramatic finish to it all. He's down on the fact that he loses by his own move to his arch nemesis in front of the home crowd. And that he spits on his face. Yeah. What a shot.

That's amazing. And apparently it was kind of weird for Vince McMahon to even be there, side of stage. Right. So why was he there? What do you call it? Side of Ring? Ring side.

You've also called him McMahon or McMahon? Like so many different times. I think in Australia they say McMahon, but, you know, they definitely call him Vince McMahon. How's it spelled? McMahon. M-A-H-O-N? Yeah. Yeah, it'd be McMahon.

But they call him McMahon for sure. That's why I'm getting confused, I guess. Yeah. I'm split. My dialects are split. So I actually, I looked up, I found this website that it listed 10 reasons why they reckon that it was all planned. They call it. Oh, what do they call it?

It's a... A rigididj. There's a term for a thing that's meant to seem like it's breaking. Yeah, it's a rigididge. The parfe, but it's not actually. It's a rigid did. A rigid did, so. Thank you.

It's called a worked something or something. Sorry, I can't think of the term. But anyway, a few of the few that I found convincing of this website, One of them said there were so many guys that Vince McMahon could have already had in place as the WWF champion in advance of his departure. Like he had time to plan. Yeah. There's no reason why it would have had to have been this last minute thing that he was like, quick, we better. We've got to take it off him at the last minute.

Otherwise I'll take it with him. It's like, why didn't you just do that earlier? Yeah, just take it off him a while ago. Sean Michaels could have done an earlier Undertaker could have been champion. Stone Cold was ready for the belt. but McMahon chose to have the belt on Brett Hart despite knowing that he was off to WCW. It's all a bit unrealistic, according to this website.

Another one they said, they said everyone benefited from this story, which is an interesting one. So after the screw job, business boomed. They blurred the lines between reality and gave fans a peak of the backstage conflicts. Fans loved it. It created this new type of fan that were called Smart Something.

things and they like just that they love the behind the scenes like the tactics and the drama of it and they're about the writing i think cam tyson's probably one of these guys smart marks so it's a whole new generation of fans or a whole new type of fans they're all named mark and they're all quite smart smart enough to know it's not real so yeah all these fans loved it everyone else did well out of it as well Vince McMahon became the massive heel he became a billionaire he became a superstar villain basically, which is like a really handy thing for his company to have, and he's fully in control of himself as well. So if you're going to, you want to be able to control your talent, being the talent helps.

Brett Hart became the most sympathetic baby face in wrestling, and he got heaps of cash to go to WCW, so he wins. Sean Michaels got the championship. Steve Austin now had the creative space to exist as the number one face in the WWF. He said it just worked a little too well for a lot. everyone. And then it became a great podcast topic. Hmm.

Hmm. How convenient. Also, it's another reason was that there were too many conflicting accounts of how it all happened, right? So all these people have owned up to it. You know, they're like, yeah, this is how it happened. This guy came up with the idea. But nearly everyone said a different person came up with the idea.

Also convenient. Yeah. To muddy the water. Either maybe the time had passed and they'd forgotten. Or maybe they just couldn't remember the made up. story they had about this made-up story. Oh man, this is going to be Deby Cooper. We'll find out when we die.

It's the kind of thing that only one of these guys would, like I imagine they'd have to come out and say it, but it's been such a good thing for all their careers. It's made them all legends, kind of. It's a legendary thing. Even though some of them are more legendary bad because of it, it's still like, hasn't hurt any of them, you know? It's the thing that's still talked about. There's heaps of documentaries about it.

Right. Wow. So after all your research, Matt? I, look, I ask Cam, because I think he's the expert. Because I'm still leaning towards its bullshit. I reckon it's all maybe part of the story. You are pretty skeptical. And it's genius. I love it if it's true.

If it is made up and they've committed to it this long, I love it. I reckon it's so good. It's great either way, but I love it if that's a thing that they came up with that whole scenario and just stuck with it. I reckon it's real sweet, real cool. So I asked Cam, I'm almost finished with this. I got one fun fact to finish with. This is what he said when I said, is it bullshit?

He said, he said, it's true that the best wrestling storyline successfully blur fact and fiction, but Hart really did punch McMahon backstage, McMahon. He's historically a very prideful, read stubborn man, and being asked to drop the title to Michaels in Canada was taken as a massive sign of disrespect. But Vince was shit scared of heart.

walking out on the company with the belt and walking at WCW as the WWF champ champ. So the trigger was pulled. That's how he said. Oh, Cam, that's beautiful. I would love to care enough about something to be somebody's go-to. Like, oh, Jess will know about this. You're the expert, right? That'd be great.

I want to be an expert in something. That's made me so keen to see their show, which is on. The same time as us. Same time, same venue. Oh, same time. Yeah. Oh, we clash. Yeah, we clash.

Oh, fuck. So I'm told. So don't worry about going to their show. Yeah, I think it'll be terrible. I thought I was going to be able to see it. I don't think you are. Mother fucker. Unless we have to cancel one of our shows because we have nobody turn up.

So we can only hope. Maybe we could do a screw job. Oh. The M-I-C-F screw job. As in drink cocktails. Delightful. Get too drunk and forget. All right, so I'm going to finish with this.

Did you guys want to say what you thought? I think it, I think it really happened. That does seem like the popular opinion. I just think I'm just a genuine, genuinely, yeah, and I'm an optimist. Genuinely and generally. Yeah. I think, I also think it happened.

Oh, that's cool. That's great. From the way it sounds, it just seemed like he was fucked over. Yeah. Yeah, unlike, it's definitely, it's believable. Another thing is like the documentary crew happened to be there. He was wearing a wire and he, like, he wasn't. more suss on it.

But I suppose that he is one of the... But why would you... At the time, one of the most famous wrestlers in the world. So if you're going to make a doc on one of them, it's probably him. Yeah, totally.

I mean, yeah. Yeah, you definitely... That is believable. And it's a lot... If that was all to build up to that moment that they even had the documentary, that'd be pretty unbelievable. That means a whole...

Another element had to be involved in it as well. And more people. How many people do you have in on a sequel? Yeah, so I don't know. I'm still torn, but just part of me thinks that it's... It's just a really well-written chapter in the wrestling thing. But it has, it's definitely made me more fascinated by it.

Unfortunately, I'm in with the knowledge of mid-90s wrestling. So I'd have no idea of any of the wrestlers. Most of them don't wrestle anymore. John Sina is the only guy I've heard of that I think maybe still goes. Yeah, yeah, he was big maybe eight years ago type of thing. But he's, I still think he wrestles. Up at the time. He does, because he also appears in, because W.W.E.

also make movies now and he's in a bunch of those. The two fairy? I don't think so. That's a good one. They also started a new gridiron league called XFL which lasted one season because it was very unpopular. Was it scripted? Player passes ball.

All right so we'll finish with the fun fact. Yes. Because we had some... Fun fact. Fun fact. Fun fact. Fun fact. Fun fact.

What's it take? Fun fact. But if you only have one, it's a lot of pressure on how much fun this one fact is. Well, I'd forgotten about it, but doing Googling for it, it turns out that for some reason, well, for this reason, the Montreal Screwjob has been in the news this week. Ah. So I looked it up and there's so many stories about it. Why?

And this is why. Adult film company Brazzers is producing a parody of WWE's infamous Montreal Screwjob featuring actresses actress Mia Malkova as W.W.E. Hall of Famer Sean Michaels and Romy Raine as W.W.E. Hall of fame of Brett Hart and Johnny Castle as Vince McMahon. Filming began

this week, but there's no word yet when the movie will be released. It appears the fuck job is the name of the movie. What? It's already called a porn title. Screw Jail. The fuck job. I personally cannot wait for the release.

So two female. Two female, yeah. Performers. Two females playing the men and then a man playing the man, McMahon. They couldn't suspend disbelief for a woman to play McMahon. No, that was fun. That's a really fun fact. That's a fun fact.

But I think just because it was out this week, I don't think I would have even included it in the facts because everything's had a parody. It's just crazy that it was like a week and a half ago that that was released as news. That is a fun fact. It led to some awkward moments on the train when I was watching the movie. For research It's not out yet

That was a little Sorry to use A little joke What's the word for panache No, what is it? What's the word meaning? Are you fucking up words so much today? What's that word Dave?

Panash. Funnoy. What? The word meaning Not breaking the story. Oh, K-Fay. K-Fay. Why?

You've called it so many different things. I'm going to settle on K-Fave. It's a good one. Kay-Fay- Babe. K-Fay-Babe, that's right. K-Fay-Fay-Bib. but great hashtag and great episode Matt that was

well done Matt very long report well researched very cool story and especially cool for me to relive some of those 90s early 2000 wrestlers and cool for me to let you relive something that you really love and just enjoy your enjoyment

I mean I didn't share the fun but I let you enjoy yours it just makes me think about how good wrestling is and how bad in comparison some other things might be for example some sort of dancing near a river. You're a real piece of work, Warnacky. Yeah, yeah, you shit on my chest.

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We're hoping that people come along so we can do more live shows and come to more cities and not do that kind of stuff. So, Melbourne, said it before. Don't stuff this up for the rest of the country and the rest of the world. This is on you, Melbourne. Come on you in surrounding areas. This is on you, Victoria. That's right. It's not that far.

like if you live in, you know, Bandsdale. How far is Bandsdale? Three, four hours? No, it's longer than that. We're going to do a gig there. I know. I looked it up. It's actually in a nearby town called Stratford.

And we're not doing Bansdale as well? We're also doing Painesville. Painesville. And because we are doing Sunday afternoon shows. You should come see me and Jess. Forget Dave. He's not even, we're not worried about him coming to this show. Yeah, we aren't doing shows.

Studio's website for details. That was the worst plug ever, guys. Nah, nailed it. It's going to be really great comedy night. Back to the, back to you plugging live shows. I was just going to say that you do actually want to come from, not interstate, maybe, maybe interstate or from surrounding areas. It's something at 3.45 in the afternoon on Sunday, so you actually have time to get home afterwards. Yeah.

So no excuses, you fuck heads. Yep, Jess. Just, stop telling it like it is, mate. Just turned on the ads, turned on the other. I know they are, but. Stop telling you. What's funny thing to say. Put a plug in that.

Truth canon. Oi, stop telling it like it is over there. That's enough telling it like it is. Enough truth. Oh, we've had enough truth for today. Well, we haven't had enough truth because we need to truthfully thank some Patreon supporters for pledging to the show. You support us.

We will thank you. We will get to you all. We're closing in, kind of. We are getting more support every week, so that's bloody fantastic. And we'd like to say thank you right now. This is a very special people. First person I'd like to thank And the last person I'll thank personally

is I'd like to thank him for his pledge to Patreon But also his Pedge to Patreon And that is the man, the myth of legend Brendan Pedge Very good Very good That's why you'd like to thank him for his Pedge to page Okay

Okay Thank you for your Pedge Jess, would you like to thank someone for their Pedge? I would like to thank somebody who gave us a topic a while ago which I can't remember which topic it was but I definitely remember the name of P-Basta Mr P-Baster

Is that a pun-Bastor? Yes Mr. P-Bastor What's the next line after Mr. Shag it! Shag it! Mr. Rovalova. Mr. Rova-lova.

Anyway, thank you P-Basta. I'd like to thank P-Baster as well and also Brendan P-Pedge For his pedge For his page But also, if you don't mind I'm going to change gears here for a second Interesting

And thank you Oh no Jared gear Okay There it is I change gears into Jared gear Into I'm going to change into him Let me slip into another

Something more comfortable gear Damn me I'm gonna go into a phone booth And put on my Jared gear Like Superman puts on his No we got it Superman gear

Still fucked thing to say I still don't get it How do you Well don't put Jared on. Oh, you want to put him off with your disgusting displays. Well, that's fine, but that's not how I do it. I put him on and I'll wear him about town.

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