Do Go On - 72 - The Montreal Screwjob

Episode Date: March 8, 2017

This week Matt reports on 'the Montreal Screwjob', a huge controversy in the world of professional wrestling in the 1990s, the effects of which are still being felt today!! This episode is "The Best There Is, The Best There Was and The Best There Ever Will Be" (it's pretty good anyway, and very long!) We talk Bret 'the Hitman' Hart, Vince McMahon, Shawn 'The Heartbreak Kid' Michaels, WWF, WCW, #KayfabeBabe and much more!!Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPod Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Always stripes, safely. Hello and welcome to another episode of the podcast called DoGo on my name is Dave Wanuki and I'm here. God I hope you know what it's called by now. I'm here with a match to it. That's Matt. Hey Dave, what about you listeners? You're always forget like, that's not like everyone's just listen to 70 episodes. Now I feel like it's more of a contract. You listen to one episode, you're in for the long haul, you gotta start from the start. Yeah, right. It's been watching.

Otherwise you wouldn't understand what's happened. That's how iTunes works, isn't it? We don't have a previously on Doogawon. We should do that. But previously on Doogawon, we have featured not a guest but a co-host, Jess Perkins. And here she is again. Hello, here I am.

Oh yeah, right. Just like a podcast prenup. What if, we get you one, we get you for all. Jess actually is in a co-host at the end of every episode. I just said, guess starring Jess Perkins and 71 episodes in a split like, maybe you could just, I just literally star. Maybe it. So it's guess starring Jess Perkins.

I'm okay with that. Or you know how it always says, um, special guest or when it says like an introducing. Oh, I love that. I'd love to be in a film never been in a feature film would love that so it could come up as introducing Dave Warnocky. I like introducing but I think I like even more like the someone has been around for a while and they say for the end and it says and Tom Clancy is Johnny Rotten. Oh I says the exactly.

That famous military rider as that famous 70s punk roger. Jesus, that's why I'm good. I'm an improv master. You give me, you give me a topic like name some names and I will come up with stuff really inventive, really interesting stuff and then we'll play, we'll play with it from there. Do they do just that and introducing just a child actors? Tens ofy young people from what I've noticed. So couldn't debut at 45. Why not?

Oh, maybe. They're introduced. I mean, you're as old as you feel, you know. You're as old as you feel. You're as old as the bloody, uh, the bloody, uh, there are, you're as, there's that improv again. Here we go. You're as old as your body. Here improv again. Here is old as the bloody

Tom Clancy your was old as bloody Yeah, the certificate in decades your bloody woman you feel Your as old as the woman you feel that's like that is an old old old Yeah, I've heard it. I've heard it. I didn't come on with that. If I did bloody hell I'd be proud of the rich. You'd be rich. But you're only as old as the woman you feel. You're only as old as a bloody young woman that you're tricking to going out with you. Because you got lots of money. Yeah, that is. You're only that bloody old. Because the undertone of that is that you're you're feeling younger women. I think like physically feeling the undertone or is that just the time the tone?

And they're not like and they're not people. They're just Things to feel and I'm as old as the woman. I feel I'm going to jail Oh, Dave you're Oh, Dave. You were, no, you were, you were, you were, hang on. I was trying to play a character there, but I sort of used my own voice by accident. Didn't distance myself enough from that.

I also liked to think, the way I imagined Matt's character was like a 60-year-old man with like a 21-year-old woman. When you said it in your voice, it was like you were touching children. But also it didn't. Like it wasn't at all related to, whether or not you're doing anything illegal. You just Yeah, if I'm as old as the woman I feel then I'm going to jail So that means that just means you're well, you're going to jail for the age you are oh, yeah

God that was confusing Dave you're bad at improv How am I copying the fuck on this? You said a creepy thing that also didn't make any sense. Yeah, we haven't said anything creepy. Let me just say, you're only as old. That was fucking... I was gonna... You're only as feel as the woman you old.

I thought I wanted to say, but I ended up accidentally saying the right thing. David, that was not the right thing. It was the wrong thing. Dave, you made it so very uncomfortable. You're as only as uncomfortable as the woman you talk to on your podcast and say something strange. Oh I'm the woman on the podcast.

You are. That's all you are to him. The woman on the podcast. Hey, when you guys were discussing getting a third person he was like we should get a woman right? I don't remember him saying it like that, but I think Dave has told the story that way. Did he say it like? Supposed we should I remember saying look let's just get the best available talent available talent and Matt did it was it was strange. Yes as he often is yeah, true

And they obviously said no. Yeah, and then we thought, well, what's called Jess? We went through a list. Well, then we sort of just had our own podcast. We looked out of the corner of our eye. I knew that you were sitting in the room at the time. Yeah. And we thought, just doing, I just had a coloring book.

Yeah. As I often do. Man, it's quite convenient. She is right there. And after 72 weeks of guest starring, we've been putting you through your paces. You probably want to know, we have come to a decision. I'm afraid this will be your last episode. But it's been great, it's been a great run. But do I have to say for the whole episode, or can I leave now?

We'll turn your mic off, we have to sit there awkwardly. You're gonna have to sit here till the 100th that is but no mind you would want it to be Oh, yeah true 72 would really piss me off. That's not really unfair actually. Hey Jess You weren't you weren't miss right, but you were miss right over there at the time at the way to wow for David I spotted he's got his long die try about before I got that gold. I'm going to edit his bit out, but I'm in. Well, that was worth it. What do you think about misfer? Is that, that's a weird thing that a man don't have to make a decision about?

Mis. Well, yeah, because we're misster, basically, from birth. True. I have told the bank many times that I'm now a man, and they're still sending me credit cards at 26 that say master. No, really? Go fuck yourself.

Are you sure that's, is it from master card? That's not, that's a different thing. That's an entirely different. Yeah. For me, visa wannaki. Fuck. You don't really still get mail, it's his master wannaki. No, I still don't show you my credit card.

I've got a bad master, yeah, no, that's true. Master David J. wannaki. Holy shit, it actually does. And if you'd like to read out the number there, Jess. Hahaha. Everybody, Laurel. That is really weird. You know shopping or a day's creep.

That's so weird it's his master. They see your photo and I'm like, all right mate. But also why are they giving, so master, what age would we say a master is? Like 15 or something, right? I've forgotten a bit, yeah I guess. And all of them said 12. So they're giving that kid a credit card.

And they're emailing me constantly saying, would you like to increase your limit to $12,000? A 12 year old kid. Fucking hell. See, I'm not even sure. But second card, they're just a second one. This is my first year. It's my second. It's my second. It's my second. It's my second. So everybody on again, this card number, I'm in a lot of trouble. Platinum card, I'm pretty sure it starts at platinum. This. You are doing very well indeed. This is my... This one doesn't expire till 2020. Ooh, it's a new card.

Membership card at Spudbar, the potato shop there, does not say master, doesn't say anything on it. It's got no details. You're just going through your wallet now? I've got a working with children, check. Is that same master? Yeah, that's right, I'm younger than the children that they've checked on that I'm allowed to work with.

Oh, your hair's bad in that one. That is no good. Look, they've put on the offender filter to make them look like I shouldn't work with children either. That was a perfectly good photo I sent them and they put the filter on to make me look evil. As you were getting that photo taken, you made the joke. You're only as feel as the woman you hold.

Hang on, let me do it again. It was a very awkward visit to that promiscule office. Hey Dave, perform a promiscule. People always ask, is there a way that you could get Dave to just briefly summarize what the show is about? I was wondering if we could get you to do that now. What is do go on to you? So do go on essentially.

It's one mister, one miss, one master locked in a room where one of them is the master or the mister. I gave him the topic, no, I gave him the opportunity to report on a topic to the miss and the mister or the miss and the master or the mister and the master. Is that pretty good? That's pretty good. So welcome Neil Sus. Pretty concise. And I think that takes all the boxes. I actually just read that from the arch-in description. What is the difference between a mess and a miz as well, by the way?

I believe. I'll fill this one. Why is Jess asking? I don't know. I think it. I don't really like my SS. It looks a bit yucky and it feels very young. Because Mrs. It sometimes all right, moves, but I'm not just not sure anymore.

Because Mrs. sort of feels like the master. Yes, exactly. That's what I mean. It feels young. And I think Mrs. is supposedly, I think, is when you get married, right? Right. And I think Mrs. is like, you go,

I want it. Mrs. is like an attempt to get rid of the, get rid of, it's the attempt to be the equivalent of master I think. So there's no, you don't change if you're married or not. You just Miz, like, Miz, it doesn't change. But you don't become a Miz, I think it's up to you. You can also be like, look, I might be married,

I might not be married, but I didn't really want to disclose that. And I think it's also sort of like, if I, so if I did get married, I wouldn't change my name, but eat, but would you be Mrs. Perkins? No, no, because I'm not Mrs. Perkins. That's, that's my mother. Oh, right. Please, Mrs. Perkins is my father's name. Good point. I mean, there's no reason like, I could be if I wanted to be. Yeah. That's so weird. If I get married, will I still be a mouse? Probably.

Is that how I graduate? That's the only way. Come up. No worries. So you can have a credit card with Mr. as long as you ford us your marriage certificates. And don't but. And your wife has to sign it as well.

Your legal guardian slash one. Young man. Young man. So we are willing to increase your credit limit to $50,000. Anyway, that makes me mean. For the honeymoon. Yeah, good for you.

Hey, it's great to be married. I've got to tell you. Yeah. Dave, one part you missed out of that intro is we always start with a question. Yes, Chin. We do start with a question. And this week the mister will be starting with that question

that's you, Mr. Matt, you do it. Mr. Matt, you can go me, Mr. Matt. To get. Matzhuwet. Mr. Matzhuwet. You can go me Mr. Matzhuwet. To get us onto the topic Mr. Matzhuwet. When I was in Bali they called me Miss Jess and it was the best thing ever. Miss Jess. Good morning Miss Jess. I'm like fuck I love it so much.

Good morning Miss Jess. I love it. Anyway. That sounds nice Miss Jess. Master Dave yeah okay I like this a lot. Mr. Matzhuwet go for it. Good morning Master Dave. Here's the question this week.

I've got to follow up question if you get this one. I'll be curious because this topic is something that I don't know a lot about, but I've found it interesting to do. And I think it's the kind of topic that's like, I reckon has got a similar world of fans and experts like a comic book world would. Which wrestler has held championships in five decades from 1970s to the 2010s, whatever you call it, decade, and was the first man to win both the WWF and WCW triple-crown championships. I have no idea. Big fan of wrestling growing up over here. Yes, all right. Interesting. I had no idea. Okay. We learned so much about you.

But I was just curious. Yeah. So if you will before you go then maybe you're just Can name any cuz I reckon I could have named the rock three. Yeah, he's one of the big ones that I would Mr. Magic is that one day I make not that I know but I imagine that it was I probably will know some names as you mentioned them, but I really can't think of any not a lot in this story the ones I would have thought of were the rock. Yeah. Hulk Hogan. Hulk Hogan.

And that was going to be my guess. Hulk Hogan, because it's been around for so long. No, it's not Hulk Hogan. OK. Is it going to be a name that we know? So five separate. I'm guessing five separate deckers. Five separate deckers from the 70s all the way to the 2000s.

That's a shame. So the ones that have been around for a long time, you got Hulk Hogan. It's not Hulk Hogan. You got maybe the Undertaker. It's not the Undertaker. I've heard of him though. I heard the Undertaker. Stone Cold Steve Austin, it hasn't been around that long. It's not even alive that long. He was my favorite going up. Fucking loved Stone Cold Steve Austin. Oh, interesting. Well, this story sort of leads up to when he got big. Oh, cool. Big fan of the rock-roaring episode, but he's not been around long. I would say the only one I could think of that's old enough and

probably still wrestles and did at least ten years ago. The Nature Boy Ric Flair. It is no, they're not pervading him as well. Is that ravishing Ric Flair? Yeah, so they all go through different nicknames and stuff. Yeah, he would have his catchphrase was this. Woo! That's a great catchphrase. What a catchphrase. All right, maybe I can give you a hint by telling you this guy's catchphrase or one of them and I think it was something like, I'm the best that is, the best that was, the best that ever will be. I like that, better than woo! To be honest. The other one's famous as like Brett the Hitman Heart. That's him. Yeah, well done, Dave. Great Simpsons Cammy-O from him. Yeah, that's

right. I mentioned that. And also, I had a toy of the Hitman Heart growing out. So this story is about him, but that's not the topic necessarily. The topic, the topic, I wonder if you know, what is the single, what single event is the biggest ever controversy in professional wrestling? Is it the death of his brother or cousin? No, but that is, I don't mention that, but I heard about that in the ring because he comes from a big wrestling family and a miss-happy was meant to come down from the ceiling. From the ceiling, from the top of the stadium.

Like 50 feet or something? Oh, I think you landed on the turnbuckle type thing in the breakfast neck. It's like this, and- It's kind of a stadium. And the announcer's like, this is not part of the show. Oh my god, you don't want to make that announcement. There was a part that I read, or maybe in the documentary

I watched where Hart was talking about this time that he broke his ribs because he was thrown out of the ring. And the crowd are like a busing him and stuff, like he's still done it. And the guy is wrestling against thinks it's part of it. So he keeps sort of like- Laying into it. Laying into it, in that sort of wrestling style.

Yeah. Do you believe in wrestling, Jess? Do I believe in it? Yeah. Is it a unicorn mat? Well, no, I didn't realize how fake it is. It's very fake. Yeah, it's all, it's entirely...

It's scripted. I'd say scripted rather than the word fake. Yeah, sure. Well, I would say they're more like stunt men than wrestlers. Yeah. You know, because it is a very physical drop. Obviously people die for it. I'll totally and it would be very dangerous because you do have to get it right. I mean, we've been able to die working in like factories as well. Sure. So I don't know of that. I'm sure people have died in call centers.

True. Right, but you were talking about for a whole day. For a whole day. For a whole day. For the old people. There's a bunch of old people in there? Please let me leave. Make another core grand man. Make a fucking sale. I don't know what I'm selling.

What are these tazos? Is that what you did just? Yeah, sell tazos. Do you sell toys from the midnighties? Yeah. No, just tazos specifically. We're going to tazo factory. We'll have to make it one of those memes

What mom thinks I do what Dave thinks I do I think my mom is what's the side he thinks I do closer to what I do I don't know what the controversy. So you're gonna say what it is. Yeah get to it So they're excited. Well, I'll get I'll tell you what it's called and then the rest of it's building up to it The controversy which I'd never heard of which was voted for as my topics always are, they're opened up to the Patreon subscribers to vote. Right, so based on suggestions from the broader audience, I then take something out of the hat. This week the four options were, I'll read out the three that didn't get voted in. The lowest amount of votes this week was pasta fire inism,

which is the Flying Spaghetti Monster Religion. Oh my God, that is awesome! That was a lot of votes. But it's still, I got votes, it was relatively close. Then friends, the sitcom, then Gallipoli. Oh, that would be interesting. Oh, that would have taken you a lot of recent years. Yes, that's a big one. But the winner this week, the Montreal Screw Job.

I'm gonna have heard that, but I didn't even realize it was wrestling related. Sounds like a cocktail. So yeah, can we get three Montreal Screw Jobs? It's a celebration. I'm the best that ever was. Best that ever. He's probably spoiling his cocktails. And the suggestion initially came from a couple of guys off the Twitters. I mean, like to thank Brett, for hitting that heart. Brett, the hit man heart, just can't get enough of the story. And I'll Lee Holod.

Oh, and heart, that was the guy that died. So just remember. That's right. So sorry, I took away the thunder of who was the first. Lee Holod, I'm gonna say, at Cannonboard, just a great Twitter handle, and SwavGemo at SwarthGemo.com. SwarthGemo.com, what are you? I'm from the 90s, that's Swahaw.

It's an internet thing, it ends in.com. Or the word 2000, like in 1998, like 2000 was so far away, you couldn't even think about it. And suddenly it's 2002, and your business is still called like internet cafe 2000. Version 2.0. It's like, mate, we're up to at least version 4.0. So yeah, so the story, Sanazon Brett, the hit man, heart, that's his wrestling name. He doesn't get it till sort of mid-career,

but that's what he's known as now. Can we give each other wrestling names? Oh yeah. Flash, can you guys do it? Cause I'm, you know I'm shit at everything but I think you guys have got it. Yes, the Hitman Perkins. There it is. Well it's about to say heart, what should it have been? Dave. The Hitman. One a key. Yeah. One key. What about me? Matt. Matt. Now you. I want a better name. Matt. Matt.

Now, what do we know about Matt? It's got a beard. He's a hit with the ladies. He's a man. Okay, let's put two and two together. He is Brett, the hit man. Oh, no. He is Matt, the hit man.

Hit beard. Hit beard. Stuart. There it is. Thank you. See, that's interesting isn't it, Matt? That he puts you, like, if he's categorizing you, you guys beards first. Before I open, man.

How does that feel? Look, it feels good, it feels right. Great, I don't see gender, but I do see facial hair. Sure. And I see it in a lot of places I don't want to. I reckon the only time I ever remember knowing about the hitman heart was from that Simpson's absurd to me. It's season eight, it's in 97, which is the same time as the screw job.

Oh, really? Because he buys Mr. Burns's house. He buys Mr. Burns's house and Mr. Burns comes up to me because Mr. Burns's hit trouble, financial trouble and Mr. Burns takes a portrait of himself off the wall and goes, would you mind if I keep this to remind me of the good times? And then, for the Hitman Heart, voice by himself goes, why would I want a picture of a pedophile pencil-knack geek?

Ha ha ha. I mean, it's good. That could be Dave's, rest of the name. And he's the pedophile pencil-knack geek. I'll take it. And then Mr. Bound goes, oh indeed. Yeah, it's the pitiful pencil neck geek. I'll take it and then Mr. Bound goes, oh indeed But the other thing he's only other line I believe in the show is oh

This place got old man stink. Yeah, when he's like viewing the house That's right. I remember I remember I can picture Mr. Burns taking the painting Yeah, but I can't picture the other guy He's he was wearing his trademark colors, black and pink and pink. And he, uh. Pink shades. And he, yeah, where's these shades that look like

something Marty McFly would have worn in the future, back to the future too? Yeah, they're kind of like, sort of lab goggles slashed. Yeah, but like mirrored lab goggles. Oh, sick. Just don't matter in Bono, gone wrong. Sick. I know there's something.

Bono, gone very right. Oh, yeah That's something really cool about I'm watch I watched a Chronofamous documentary about him which was Filmed through the year of the screw job Um, and it followed him around The whole time. He's really got to know him. It was like out of character. Just backstage with his family and stuff like that Wow, he just seems like he's like a real, you know, normal guy. He's just a massive beef cake.

He was born in Calgary, Canada, which is my last hockey team, the Calgary Flames. Go Flames. Flames. As I always say, one of my catchphrases. On ice. What made you pick the Flames? Well, melt the ice.

I met some Calgary and women when I traveled once. Did you made them at a bar? Yes. Did you make them at some sort of historical museum? Not a museum or an art gallery. Made them at a bar. Yeah, well I mean... You got a problem, man. Was it in Canada? I was in Greece. Okay, okay. Sure. On the island of Santorini. Beautiful spot. Beautiful spot for a tipple. I was about to say like, oh, he's traveled so much, but he's 100 years older than us. He said so much more time.

He's traveled to countries that don't even exist anymore. Yeah. Yeah, that went under the sea years ago. Under the sea. He was the eighth child in a family of 12 children. Too many kids. I've got here. Do they of 12 children too many kids I've got here Do they know what was causing it? I've got a few calls for Jessal what Dave to say do they know what's caused it? My dad has started listening to the podcast. I hope he hears that. Oh, is that that's where it's from?

Yeah, it's my dad is his all the time John Perkins John Perkins. We'll get him on the part What a dude we get him We should have the parent special. That would be fun. His dad was Canadian wrestling legend, Stu Hart, and all of their siblings ended up being involved in wrestling. All of them. All of them. Yeah, most of the guys became wrestlers, and all four sisters married wrestlers. No way. All four. Why weren't any of the girls wrestlers? They're a lady wrestlers. I'm not sure if they... Yeah, I'm not sure but I don't think they were. No, I think they were more. They just married wrestlers. Married to them. Good heavens. There were some great female wrestlers growing up for me. Trish stratus. Trish. Sorry, was that... say it again? Trish.

So again, Trish. Stap this. Just handling that. Trish. Trish. So you can think of one. You can think of one. Stacey Kepler. I remember Stacey.

My key. Were there twins? There's bound to have been twins at some point. Yeah, they were called the Dudley boys. They were two men. No, I feel like I'm definitely- I'm a Dudley boy. They were definitely not twins. I remember twins, it's like identical twins. No, I feel like I definitely would never definitely not twins.

I remember twins, it's like identical twins women wrestlers. Anyway, do go on. China. China. Oh, Trump. She died, Telet. Oh. I love China.

The wrestler. He was referring to my wrestler. The country, never heard of it. She was built as the ninth wonder of the world. Excuse me? China. China. A lot of country. The stuff that they were the builders, like the world's strongest man. Oh really? You speak dude called Mark Henry? All right that sounds like old, that stuff that makes it sound like an old circus thing. Which is probably what

at least a bee kind of. Yeah, so if they still have that sort of factor in it. Anyway, so this family of 12 all wrestlers. Yes, and it's married to wrestling. It sounds like they was the his mum was in the documentary and she was just like not interesting. Oh really? She was just like, I remember asking Stu, how long is this whole wrestling thing gonna go and he was like two years and it's still going and she was just like, it was broken. Oh man. Oh wow.

It really just looked like she was like, I can't wait for this to be over. That's tragic. That sucks. But it's yeah, so it sounds like a, I mean, this is one little grab out of context potentially, maybe she bloody loves it. She does.

It sounds like it was a pretty eccentric family to grow up in. His dad had regular visits from aspiring young wrestlers, and then he'd take him down into... He'd take him down. He'd teach him a lesson. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, he'd take him down to the He'd take him down. Teach him a lesson. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, he'd take him down to the basement

to teach him a lesson in wrestling. They called the basement the dungeon. Oh, no, I don't like that. And Bret and his family from upstairs could hear through like some cracks in their floor or whatever, some sort of, they could hear just these young guys just screaming. Oh my.

It's hours on end when he he would just be teaching them. They weren't wrestling. It sounds like the wife was not afraid of wrestling but of something else. Oh my God. It did sound a bit weird but then so apparently he was just, he went down in the documentary and showed him doing it more recently or in the 90s when the documentary was made. And he just take these guys and just hold them in these finishing moves and they're just screaming in agony. And then you can even take the arm a bit further around like this and there's a... AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH who were basically walking where their torso is on a right angle from their legs. You know, they're facing basically directly at the ground as they walk on.

So there's old guy, but he's still like bringing the pain for the... Like, he's dropped his wedding ring. Yeah, and he just wears it somewhere around here. Yeah, that's how it was. It was an old dude. But he was still hurting young children. Well, I'm saying young children, they would have been like... If it's 20s.

You know, early 20s, whatever. And then... I probably have a misdrawn their credit cards there. Apparently, children, they would have been like, they're 20s. You know, early 20s, whatever. And then, I probably have missed her on their credit cards, though. Bradley, yeah, they fucking do. Brett was like, my mate, Brett was like, how, he used to hear the screens, you're like, oh, bloody hell. And then eventually he got older,

and he went down and he'd watch him train and stuff and sort of getting into it. But he didn't have... I would have so many questions. He didn't have great dreams. Like, why? That'd be my main one. Well, I guess it he's just learning it,

they wanted to do it because Stu also ran a big wrestling company in West Canada, probably the biggest wrestling company in West Canada called Stampede Wrestling. So hanging out with him was a way in. Yeah, that's right. I guess he's almost like trialing him, training him. It was a training studio, but I guess-

But they're hoping that he'll be like, hey, you're pretty good. Do you wanna do a match? Yeah, totally. Do a match. I wanna do a match. It's been a while since I've watched it, guys. Do a match.

I'll challenge you to do a match against me, the big man. Maybe Matt could be like the match, like a matchstick or something. Oh, a matchstick. A matchstick. Yeah. It's nothing like a matchstick. Flamin' red something. Oh, a matchstick. A matchstick. Yeah. It's nothing like a matchstick. Flying in redhead. There was a big one.

Oh, I see that work. One of the biggest wrestlers, oh god, wrestling people are going to hate me for this. Of recent times, is this massive iris dude whose skin is so white, you can nearly see through him, you've really got to see, he's like, got red hair, but his skin is sort of, you know, very, very pale. It's pale as you can get. And he, yeah, he's one of the most popular in the world. You could be that guy.

Oh, I could be that guy. Wow. I can't remember, I don't know his name, but here, he's very, very popular. Or was a couple of years ago. But all the day, remember, some of him is that he's pale. And you could be that guy. And he was the most amazing looking dude. Like, oh, there we go.

That's better. I've never seen a man like, because looking dude. Oh, there we go, that's better. I've never seen a man like that. Because as a pale man, you don't get many pale heroes, especially muscular ones. And I was looking at this guy going, that could be me. I'm that white, nearly. You are that white.

Thank you. Good for you. So that's my hero, that unnamed Irish man. There he is. So Brett started a train. He wasn't riding in the ideas. Dad wanted him to go into amateur wrestling, There he is. There he is. So Brett started a train. He wasn't riding in the idea. He was dad wanted him to go into amateur wrestling, like real wrestling.

The Olympics and stuff were actually... They actually wrestle? Like Rico Roman, whatever it's called. Yeah, Rico Roman. And he wasn't really in it. He did it for a little while, but he wasn't loving it. And he saw it all the way out. He didn't want to break his dad's heart is one of the things that I read so he

He ended up going into work for his dad's Stampede wrestling company, okay, so to say and they'll go help out with that and he started referring a bit Apparently the family home also kept a bear on their property for fuck's sake What hang on what sorry and apparently like back then you know Apparently the family home also kept a bear on their property. Ah, for fuck's sake. What? Hang on, what, sorry. And apparently, like, back then, you know, you might wrestle bears a bit. You know, as this is the Sevenies in Canada. No, you don't wrestle your pet bear. And, and Hitman said, also I'm talking about it,

how he used to get the bear to lick ice cream off his toes. That seems like a really bad idea. Which is a bit interesting. Oh, it's a good ice cream off his toes. That seems like a really bad idea. Which is a fun, interesting. Oh, it's a good ice cream on your toes. It's everything about it, it's a bit odd, but. Call you down. Call down your toes. Call down your toes.

When I was a kid playing basketball in summer. In Barbie, Canada. You know, it went mum, mum, and it was hot in the stadium. They'd give us like ice packs to cause damage while you're sitting on it and you put them on your wrists or on the back of your neck cause it cools you down really fast.

It seems like a weird way to attract babies. Or your toes. I think here that's right. The three main places to cool you down fast. Toes. Rists. Back a neck. What if you've only got two?

In a elbow. And what's in a elbow called? Is that just your elbow? Yeah. How are you getting in a elbow? Is this space just your elbow? It's the anti elbow. There it is I knew you'd know cool term

I'll just looked up this wrestler. I want to show you him. Please and you'll love his name Jess as a big fan of Irish names Shameless, but he's just shameless. Fuck yes. Just shame. He's He's awesome. He's awesome. You'd really don't sleep. We will see pale guys, but who are buff like that. Yeah, that's why I was so impressed. He's quite good looking. So on TV and I was like, oh, no, yeah, one more. That was like, weep, so this is huge. But it's like once you get muscled, people just like get a tan.

Ronz themselves up as well. You just used to saying guys like that who just lots of orange tans and stuff. But that's kind of the key to WWF WWW wrestling is you get a thing that people are remembering for. So he's like, well, there's no other big buff white dudes. He's still little oiled up, you know, for wrestling. They just cover themselves and tell them to pal. It pales himself down.

Yeah. Also, Stu being this successful wrestling promoter, old man Stu, Hart, he actually started Stampede Wrestling in 1948. Whoa. And it was quite a big, like, back in the 70s, that's how it was. It was lots of little companies spread across Canada and the US. So Brett was, I said Brett like it. Weird. Didn't put you guys off and made me feel weird. So Brett was around wrestling his whole life. And then in 76 he started, when he started referring matches for a while, but in 1978, he performed

for the first time in a Stampede event, filling in for a wrestler who was a late withdrawal. So he just had to step up at the last minute. And from there he became a regular at Stampede events, going on to win many of the titles there. Unfortunately the person who pulled out was a bear So he had to his character was a bear And he celebrated by looking ice cream after the of the opponents That's what bears like to do so that as far as I understand it's the bear that he knows Oh bears like this

Dad, I don't know what to do just impersonate a bear Brett all right That a boy. Yeah-crux. That a boy. Yeah, so Ellie Daisy was known as Bret the Bear Heart. Oh. Oh. But yeah, it's funny, because I was reading, and it's like in the articles they talk about all these titles that he's won,

and I'm like, oh, wow, cool. And then I'm like, oh, I mean, that's all scripted. Yeah, how do you win a title? And his dad runs the company. I've never really thought about that. Yeah, so then they're like 19-, I mean, that's all scripted. Yeah, how do you win a title? And his dad runs the company. I'm really thought about that. Yeah, so they're like 19 time WCW champion. It doesn't mean anything. I mean, 19 times the plot said you were going to get

this certificate. If we lived in the fictional world that they exist, then you'd be like, oh, that's incredible. But you guys don't know this, but I've actually been crowning myself the do-go-on, the DJO, undisputed world champion every week for the last 71 weeks. Wow. Yeah, I'd pick that.

So that's actually... I'd probably give him that as well. Do you want to ask me? No, I give it a just as well. Oh, yeah, that's the real one. Yeah, we've said that multiple times on the record. That's the number one contender. Yeah.

Have you come, I'm written this as a question but Dave clearly knows a bit of you you've heard of the WF yes world wrestling Federation world wildlife fund. Yep, which is it now now? It's known as W.A. Because of some legal action with the with the world wildlife fund in 2002 Because I watched it as it changed right the change the world wrestling entertainment oh I see I was gonna ask what the east would for but you one step ahead what would you have guessed? Enterprise experience you think something like that right? Explore a pdf which was a educational computer game I had well wrestling explore a pdf it's great it's right I learned about the the educational computer game I had. Well, wrestling explorer, Peter.

It's great. So I learned about the Mississippi River and had a song in my SSI SSI PPI. And then I have this. I've heard a different song, which I think is much catcher. And my double-less side double-less side double-PI. I hate that.

That's my last song. And my double-less side double-PI. No, I hate that. Because it's three doubles. Yeah, well, I remember mine my way. Well, all I have to say to you is What is that from? A bomb in a ball. It's no matter. Yeah, very good.

You are very good at remembering. Is that an MISS? No, I reckon it's from my girl or something like that. So that's from some sort of kids movie from the 90s. Right. Yeah, sort of something, yeah, something I know somehow. So the WWF slash WWE owned and run by a guy named Vince McMahon. That's McMahon. Great name. And at the time was one of the largest professional wrestling

promotions in America. And it started though. His dad did start it. His dad started and then died a couple years later. And he sort of enjoyed it from it. And and now he is and they always plug this because he often wrestles himself even though and now he's in his what 60s possibly 70 I think maybe yeah definitely 70s I'd say they um yeah it's probably the 60s but I watched him 15 years ago he's and they always said uh the billionaire Vince McMahon because he was a bit he's a billionaire from and they always said, the billionaire Vince McMahon, because he was a billionaire and they would always

like, sort of, that was his credit. But he didn't start as a wrestler, right? I'm pretty sure in this world he was more of an announcer. He was sort of like quietly the owner, but his face, like public face in the whole enterprise was as an ringside announcer. So he'd like commentate and announce and stuff. And then I think based on this story,

he started to become one of the bad guys that come, I think I may be wrong with it. Because he always played a bad character, like I'm the bad boss. Yeah, and he would rough that. And he didn't happen really until... Big muscular dude. Later on, he was still kind of fairly quiet

in the thought of this stage. He hasn't really started playing that character, which is cool. Apparently referred to as the Mr. McMahon character, the bad boss. Mr. McMahon. As opposed to his credit card, which is a master McMahon. Yeah. It's a fictional portrayal. So, yeah, so he was expanding.

He was buying up a lot of these little franchises these little promotions around America Now he's going through Canada and buying them as well and up until this point There was sort of like a code between all the groups you wouldn't still wrestlers from each other You wouldn't affect it the you know the ones bordering you and it was like this system that worked They were all just existed alongside each other and he came in sort of from outside of that and just started buying him out. He was just buying him and collecting him, taking the stars and their territories, basically. And eventually spreading right across North America.

Which is what we're doing with the podcast, really. Yeah, we're buying it out of the podcast. We've put him in offer for filthy casuals and we're waiting to hear back but it was a pretty tidy sum. I think so. I think I'll say yes. I've, I, oh shit actually I meant to tell you guys the other day I made an offer for my dad wrote a porno. Oh great, what did they, what did you do? I offered him 50 bucks so I will just see.

Australian? Yeah. Oh shit. That's good, don't go into hard. No. Australian yeah, oh shit. That's good don't go into hard But so I think we'll think even more than that what so you what did you give them one dollar per million downloads that they've had? How you work that out? Yeah I think it's a fair fair amount. Hey, he's a number. Let's see what you think Yeah, so I just say no, that's I would love to be in a deal meeting one day where they slide it and offer over to you

Oh, and you're like oh my god, it's happening. Flip it over. Zero. Yeah. That's the best. I thought about your offer. I think this is fair. I think this is fair. I think this is a fair. You're fine.

It has to be fair on that. But still, to be in that situation, my son's. Just to be in a board room, I think it would be fun. Wouldn't it? It would be. I hope we're in a board room together one day. I hope we all experience a board room together one day. I hope we all experience that envelope sliding thing together. Oh it's a matter of time. I'll open it with my mouth.

You're ripping it open? Or like very dull, you're like eh. And they're going that that's not. It's like it's not even an invitation to a piece of paper. We're reneging. I'm trying to open it. A blank A4 sheet with my mouth. Don't worry, I've got this. I can't make up the number. I can't make it out now. So we assume it's a million dollars and we agree. And they're like, interesting power move by Dave Hurnichin, huh? Never seen this done.

He ate our proposal. Quickly, double the offer. Double the offer. He's eating that too. God, he's good. Before Sonya makes a bigger offer. Sonya. No, I meant to Before Sonya makes a bigger offer? Sonya. I meant to say Sony.

Oh, did you? No, no, I meant to say, I was saying Sonya, because I don't want to be sued by the real Sony. Ah, smart. Jesus, wily. I'm a very sorry. The favorite of the brands? Panasonic, a universe lay. I'm pretty sure that in America they call it that. They call it nestles in Australia in my parents' generation, I believe.

So when did it change to nestle? They'll try to get it from me. I think it's a good one. I think it's a French image. When we got more worldly. I think that- It's French for you. But we started hearing about it. Back in the 60s and 70s they- There was a different one. They didn't know that there was such thing as

a way to pronounce LA like LA. Oh. They didn't even know that I hadn't been invented. Nestle. No one had heard- Nestle. Pronounced it as you say it. For quite a while though, like they have like I hadn't been invented. Nestle. No one had heard... Nestle. Pronounced it as you see it. For quite a while, though, as I said, it was like they have, you know, the unpronounceable word. And then eventually they built up to the stage where they could say, Nestle.

Because actually, is that how you spell Nestle? Yes. All right. I've no idea. Probably. I think I get it now. Do you get it? I'm not, I'm going to bail on making fun of old people.

Because I, I think that's just... You are one. Yeah, because you are the oldest person in the world. In the world. So in 1984, WWF. You were a live-ven. Yeah, it was, yes. Lee weren't.

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Interesting. Interesting. We're all learning. You're all learning. You're all going to catch phrases. Mine is... say 18 heavy falls. Interesting. We're all learning. You're all looking at our catchphrases. Mine is, and Sonia. Initially, how it was asked to perform as a cowboy character?

I love it. Yes. I would love to be the guy that looks at people and goes, you, you're the cowboy. Okay, great. Cast us. Well, because interestingly, oh, okay. Okay, sorry.

So I don't interrupt with the report. Lepricon. Matt, you're the Lepricon. Yes. Yes? You're the Lepricon's friend. Yes! Where do you are?

Hey! We get to do offensively bad Irish accents. Speaking of offensively, I'm the fencer. Oh! I come out fencing. Okay. And for some offensively I'm the fencer oh Fencing okay for some reason I'm building fence. Yeah, I come out building offense Dressed yeah, I'm fencing up. What's that which is the outfit a person building a fence would wear good for you this character is Infallible Anyway, now that we've cast us. Oh, sorry to go on So yet so Calgary is famous for it's stampede,

which I guess is why they called the wrestling stampede, which is a big cowboy sort of vessel. Stampeede. Stampeede. Yeah, that's the thing. You probably can't hear me pronouncing that way, but it called his thing Stampeede. Even though I clearly said his name was Stube.

But. This entire time I thought he was saying what's the standard? Stubeede. Stubeede, everywhere. He's Stubeede. He's Stubeede. I don't actually know the Calgary Sand Peak and he's like, it's a really big festival. It's like, you know, like...

I was like horse you know, like, um, I was, I was, like, horse riding stuff and like, buck and broncos, I guess, and it's sort of like, line dancing. It's, you know, a big cowboy. It sounds like, culture festival. It sounds like I want to be a part of it. I'm, it's on my bucket list.

I want to go there for sure one day. It's so, is it massive? Like, it's huge, really. So the biggest one in Canada, you say? I think it's one of the really big festivals, yeah. So, but it, but feel like sort of that country style. I love it. Be the racer.

We're coming to music as well. Let's all go. I'm in for sure. Do we have any listeners? It's also the city that... Never sleeps. The... The windy city.

It's also the city that the Winter Olympics was held in when the Jamaican Bob said team. Oh! That is cool. I would love to pay my respects. Yeah. To cool runnings. John Candy. John Candy. Rest in peace.

I'd like to pay my respects to cool runnings. Great film. The film that was played on many primary school bus trips. Ah, big time. So they asked him to play the cowboy character, but he came from Calgary and he wasn't a cowboy. He said, if you call yourself a cowboy where I come from, you'd better be one. He's a little sound like I'm not doing it. I'm a method wrestler. I can't fight. All of this is real

to me. I couldn't possibly pretend. I'm willing to play a wrestling character. I'll play a hitman, but I shan't play a cowboy. Back where I'm from, if you play a hitman. But I shunt play a cowboy. Back where I'm from, if you're a hitman, if you say you're a hitman, no one cares. But if you say you're a cowboy, you know a cowboy, heads will roll. Yeah, the cowboys will turn into hitman to take you out. That's a very confusing system, but it works. We somehow make a... So no to the cowboy.

No to the cowboy. Instead, he decided to join... Maybe just in one way, the ass was chaps. Yeah, I then drew the line at the assless chats. Back when I came from a new assless chats, you better wear assless chats. If you are an assless chats, you better fucking wear a. All the time. I do not want not.

So he, instead, he decided to join Jimmy Hart's heel stable. Now, Dave, explain what a heel stable is. Okay. So, well, heel in wrestling is the bad guys yes The good guys usually referred to as face short for baby face apparently So he was the baddies interesting wonder why yeah, why what do you know why he is a He's in a heel gang so he's's joined, and it was interesting, like, the guy's surname was the same as his, but...

Yeah, I thought that wasn't a relation. No, a relation. Too many hearts for a song. From different songs. That would be a really nice country song. Two man hearts were wrestling that day. In the documentary, I watched there was a guy who was a big heel at the time, and he was sort of,

he's like, you know, that's just the role. You know, you're the pantomime bad guy. He didn't say put in those words, but you're the guy that you meant to be hated. And he's like, when I'm out there and they're booing, to me, I'm hearing cheers because I'm doing my job. Yeah. It's like some actors that are just so good at being bad guys like Ellen. Kevin Spacey. Kevin Spacey for the great Dennis Hopper great Keneer you know it becomes your thing and Matt you're kind of the heal of our podcast you're the bad boy yeah that's why you can fuck off thank you I Matt you're talking to yourself with that anger and aggression yes but I didn't

realize it was like a heel stable so he's joined a bunch of other Yeah, I guess you know, they're the bad guy crew I think if you think about it some of the teams when you used to watch it would have been over all good guys Popular heroes and other teams of the bad team totally and you know over years that change. Yeah, that's right Yeah, which is the weirdest thing where they'd like, wrestle under one name, go away for like maybe six months to come back. New character, no one's questioning it. That's weird. Yeah, that's weird.

I didn't know about that. Yeah. Anything of any examples? I know, actually, the rock was rocky. Well, here's the rock and then he was the tooth fairy. And then he was the scorpion king. So he's played a few characters and then he's the guy from Fast and the Furious. Then he was in bridge to terabetheia.

I think. Is that the one he's in? He's in a lot of... No, I don't think that's the one he's in. I think he's from the Christopher Walken's school of saying yes to whatever people ask you to do. Say yes like Christopher Walken? Yes. Nailed it.

Yes. But yes I will. Okay, Dolly Patton. Yes. That was Christopher Walken in person having Dolly Patton. Ah. That was a good time. What were we talking about?

Oh, no, wrestling. Oh, yeah, so the rock. So he, I read that he, you what and you're doing these reports and you go I'm like I was reading about the rock for a good half an hour from like it's got nothing to with this fucking story Go back to the report. It's paying off. He came up. So he he started out I can't think of this full name, but it was Rocky something and he his name was a split between his dad and his granddad's wrestling names Right, cuz he's like they they was built in the third. It was the first, the generation wrestler.

Oh, that's cool. And his nickname early was Blue Chipper. Oh, don't like that. There's a Blue Chipper wrestler at the Blue Chipper. Wow. No, I don't enjoy that law. And the crowds just didn't get into him. It was meant to be a face,

but they didn't really get into him. And then he really got popular when he sort of reinvention himself as the rock. Oh, when he was the rock, he was the most popular restaurant. The people's, probably, probably the old one. he was the most popular restaurant. The people's house. Probably the old house. No, the people's shoulder.

The people's house. Yeah. Inside or outside? It was outside the other way. The awareness. Unbelievably popular. Yeah. And people say that, yeah.

And anyway, go. I quite like him. I think he's funny. He's a cool guy. He's a cool guy. I follow him on Instagram. Yeah. Oh, you must.

I think he's got like 50 million followers. Something crazy. He's funny. He's a great content creator. I. This episode brought to you by The Rock. I hate everything you just said. That's the point of it.

But I love your smug little face when you just said it. There's someone so fun to talk about content. Like you're talking about it seriously. But I joke about it so much that it's becoming a habit. Oh, it's good content. Oh, it's great. I love it though. But we message each other that a lot. Oh, great content. Oh, great content. Some good content here. Yeah, you can my tweet some sweet burns. Oh, great content. Great content. Hey, Dave, do you know the thing that is a rule in wrestling? That's a word and it means we basically don't acknowledge it as fake. If you heard of that, it came up a few times, and I just want to...

It's called K-Fabe or some other K-Fabe? K-Fabe? Yes. Which is a really weird word. I'm not sure what its history is. It's an interesting word, but it just means like publicly, even though everyone knows it's fake you don't drop the story. Yeah, you never drop character You never drop the story and that is that is like the number one rule of Another you get pissed off at their performers because they seem like hanging out in real life with their enemy or

Sort of dropping personal stuff. You gotta live it. Yeah. That's a bit rough. It's a bit rough, but at the same time. Better make it. Sometimes the bad guys, like I remember when I was in grade five, I lined up for about three hours at a mile with my dad to get a piece of paper signed by this, like, classically bad wrestler called Kane.

And at the time he wore this big red mask and he's nicknamed as the big red machine because he's they build him is six foot 11 Wow, and he looks that he looked that big to me because I was you know 11 and remain that that's your measurement 11 inches. Yeah 11 inches I'm talking about you, but he was so Matthew. He was so so nice Yeah, I'm sure even though he was so that's. He was so, so nice. Yeah, I'm sure he was. Even though he was, so, that's one thing that they... Also, they break the thing. So sweet of your dad to line up with you.

My dad, because he loved wrestling growing up. Oh, really? Yes, and he sort of got me into it. I had a toy of... Oh, that's sweet. This like, uh, 80s wrestler called Hillbilly Jim. That's just funny. Who would come out wearing like blue overalls and a farmer's hat?

Very good. Because it used to be more like it was like even more like clowny, theater-y sort of stuff. Yeah, like the bad guys were really bad. Yeah. Like you knew, you didn't have to, you didn't have to guess which is a heel and which is a foot. Yeah, and they're like villains, but for,

they're sort of super villains for the sake of being a villain. Like there's no, it doesn't help them at all It's just I like doing bad stuff And then the the hero comes out takes them out. Yeah, so my dad really got me into it and when I was The next year in grade six. I went to see the wrestling at the Rodlay Verena when it came out Hulk Hogan was there. No How exciting so So cool.

When, what year would this have been? 2002. Right. And what was the, it was WWE? Yeah, so it just become WWE maybe. I reckon it was 2002 maybe was the year that happened. Yeah, WWE and I saw, yeah, Hulk Hogan, Brock Lesnar, who's now a big UFC fighter.

Oh, so he's, yeah, which is like, as real as Friday. Was the rock, no, I don't think the rock was there. Oh, I think Triple A like as real as starting. Yeah, what's the rock? No, I don't think the rock was there. I think triple eight was one of the other big guys was there. Yeah, when I was growing up, the three biggest people were triple eight, the rock and stone cold sea vast. That's cool. Three three 16 or how do you say that out loud? Austin three 16, just like a biblical because he quite there was a character he was he had a big speech against this is another thing it's read it when I was

getting sidetracked whereas it was like a Bible bashing character like a like a like a born again Christian or something like that right another wrestler and he goes he said something like you know he's gone you know or you can dump your Bible as much as you like. You can tell me about John 316. Well he is Stone Cold Steve Austin 316. Suck my dick or something like that. Like it was, I can't, I'm definitely, um...

He was paraphrasing there, but... He was such a badass. His thing was, he'd always say, you're on these old. It was the woman you're from been as the dick you suck and he I was the same thing. He speak thing was he would win and then he'd stand on the turnbuckle and then Someone from the dick from the crowd would throw him a dick two cans of Budweiser sure he'd shake him up Crack him and then smash him into each other like and then pour him and like drink him And he's a little bit in his mouth. Yeah, he has mainly just

Manly this way. Oh seriously, it's just and then hit they throw two more beers and you do it again Oh, I thought it was so cool. Did you stickiness totally? Sticking it's so cool. It's so strange. Oh, that was so cool Did you know that it was all bullshit? It's sort of, because it's about suspending your disbelief, right? You go totally, yeah. I mean, I'm in the bubble now, and I just sort of believe it. And I would be be starting a drama on TV.

So when you're watching that, you're watching TV show. You know that there are millionaire actors. Yeah. What? Pardon? Orange is a new black is not a documentary. Oh, hang on. So sorry.

When I'm watching that docker sign fell from the 90s. What's the deal with self-hosts? What was that? Gramer! Gramer! So we're talking about how your heels could turn into faces and face into heels. Oh. They call that a turn. Interesting.

That's wrestling parlance. Pallance. Pallance. I like that a lot. So yeah, the heart turned into a face, who he had a turn, a face turn. They call it who turned into a face in 1988. Just as this all the time. You turn on people all the time.

I turn constantly. You go from heel to face, heel to face. Heel toe, heel toe. Heel toe heel toe. Heel toe stepping up. I'm all about it. First position. So after about four years in the WF, he became a face. A hero character.

So do you know what his bad name was? I think it was just as himself. I think it was just build it himself. I didn't read. Because some of them are just you know like their names Yeah, I think I was talking about before Brock Lesnar. This is his name. I think he may he was still as himself He I don't think he'd become the hitman as yet, but he he was just yeah It's the bad guy and the bad guy crew So yeah, that is catcher said before I.4. I'm the best there is, the best there was,

and the best there will be. The best there will be. Have a will be. His signature finishing move, Dave, do you know this? No, maybe it was the sharpshooter. It was a version of the Sasori Gatame move popularized by Japanese wrestler Riki Chosu. Or Riki Chosu. Other wrestlers have used similar moves, named things like the Scorpion Deathlock, the Boston

Crab, the Cloverleaf Leglace, and the Standing Reverse Figure 4 Leglock. Oh, that's awesome. And they're all basically the same thing, but it's so good. When you've got a signature move video at your own name. And the the thing for me is I don't know how they get the name out there I think maybe the commentators just say it like that's just in the script I guess the people's elbow yeah, oh the rock has so many sweet moves the people's elbow I don't know if you I was sir a YouTube yeah He's a part of it. Yeah, they'd be on the ground

He would do this dance, essentially, from one side of the ring bouncing off the ropes to the other, pointing to his elbow, like going to the crowd, what, what, what, and then he would just like drop his elbow, miss their face, of course. And then that would be like, there's no chance of coming back from that. It's so funny because it's like, if, if you're meant to think it's real, then you're either thinking, Jesus, he better hurry up and do it. This guy could get up at any,

or you're thinking, now he doesn't need to hurry up because that guy's out cold and he's now gonna go smash his face with his elbow. Either of those scenarios are fucked. Just in case this guy's brain damage wasn't already taking effect. Yeah, so I do love that there's all those names, so that's all a big part of our-

What would you call your signature move? I call mine the reverse people's elbow and I rubbed the inside of my elbow on the head. Ha ha ha ha. Cup that, deque! I like it. That's not bad. What would you have, Jess?

The old razzle dazzle. The razzle dazzle. No, the old razzle dazzle, yeah. I'll just do spirit fingers. I said woo! Ha ha ha ha ha. the old razzle yeah the rock saw the movie was called the rock bottom oh that's did he sit on them there was this one guy when I was growing up called Rikishi who was the size of a summa wrestler and he would come out in a like a summa style G-string and his thing was he would sit on them and rub his ass in their face Oh, and they go like no no no and I said my face. Yeah

That's really that don't do that. Yeah, I'm loving the re-living these guys haven't thought about this Yeah, that's how I felt was River Dance and you just shadow over no one's here the oh my dreams is awesome I felt was River Dance and you just shuddle over it. No one's hitting on my dreams, it's awesome. Everyone's really keen to hear about what I like. I'm loving it, I love the support. What about, maybe I'd do some version of the Nipple cripple, but I'd call it something else. The, as I said, titty twister, that's just a thing.

That's another thing. What's another name for, isn't it other name for Nipples, is it? Or like, or the teet tweak. Teet tweak, I do, yeah, the teet tweak. What's another name for, there's another name for nipples, is there? Or like, or- What about the teat twig? Teat twig, I do, yeah, the teat twig, twig twig twig. Because often they would do things like, even though in real life, if someone started doing this to them,

you just hit them in the head and get out of it. They'll ask stuff like, you grab their nipple and they're this like, it's in indescribable pain. Oh my god, he's touching my nipple and they're this like right in undiscribable pain. Oh my god He's touching my nipple even I can just need them in the balls Yeah, both of my hands are free to defend that's funny. Yeah, they get them in those moves like they've got them by the nose or something Wave in their arms are like what can I do? Got me. Oh, what am I gonna do? Even did a nasally voice there. Yeah, God you're a method What am I going to do? And then they'll come back.

What are you even doing a nice, Lee voice there? God, you're a method actor. I'm all the way in. Count him, Profit, Buddy, how like an act. I've always said that about you. That's you, it might be my mom's stuff. Give him a good script. Yeah, he'll give consider a career in IT.

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and he's, you know, the people below him who write the scripts, they sort of, they saw him as a, as a, the person that should be dragging them along to the next generation, I guess. That was some reason, because there was, there was all these controversies about steroids

around that time, that, so they, some theories are that they sort of tapped this guy heart because he wasn't oversized. He was like realistically built. Right, so he's muscular but. But not like this. It could be.

Yeah, yeah. So they thought, anyway, you had kids too. You've not had my dad. All right. My dad. Ways more royalty. Yeah, my dad's real rooted up. Right,. My dad. My dad weighs more rowdy. Yeah, my dad's real rowdy-dup. Right, he's huge.

My dad's shredded. Fuck. Yeah, it's intimidating. He can't feed himself because he's armed. You have to do a bit. So we have to feed him. We take turns going the airplane. Woo!

Where's the food, Johnny? He's just like, What am I fucking now? Yeah, he hates it. But hey, that's the choice he made. And at the same time as a heart building up his big bag of belts, WWF's major competitor, the WCW, or the... World Championship Wrestling, was becoming increasingly popular,

even getting the stage where it was starting to eclipse WWF in the ratings. Right. On June the 17th, 1996, WCW Monday Nitro, won the battle of the Monday Night ratings against WWF, which is the big battle ground. They went head to head two of their big shows up against each other. So it was sort of seen as a real key battlefield between the two competitions.

And after one at this night in June 96, it went on to win Monday night ratings the next 84 weeks in a row. WCW. Yeah, that is over a year. So they started dominating. I can confirm we have taken a five-minute break with consulted calendars and that is her year. Thank you. Hey, Dave, I know you're kind of the numbers guy here, but you got some competition, mate. You're catching up. You're catching up. You're trying to take me on Monday night,

Monday night, braiding stuff. Yeah. Last week I told you that somebody was 20, 20 years after they were born. I told you that you She told me that I told me that Born in 1922 you mentioned 1942 I was like 20 20 years old Like it was like that

Like I didn't have to think about it It was like that I was like I'm starting to just like say numbers It's a lucky guess Yeah when she's looking at him She just She's starting to recognize numerals Yeah

She's really coming along. Yeah, wow. He has must be so proud. I'm very proud. According to the Bleacher Report, which is an American sports website, the WCW success during this period was due to them beating WWF to the punch on knowing what the audience wanted to see,

which seems like a key thing. And what the audience wanted to see was something seems like a key thing. And what the audience wanted to see was something that felt real, that's what it wrote. It was like, not was real. Felt real. Felt real. Like our friendship. Sounds real.

Yeah. Yeah, God, it's staged. It's not. We did not talk outside of here, but we keep up the K-Fabe on Twitter. Yeah. We do. Not on the show apparently, some reason right now. Why are you breaking the cafe there, babe? Oh,

shit, hang on, K-Fabab. K-Fabab. That's what they say to each other. Dude, K-Fabab. K-Fabab. Now K-Fabab. Hashtag. K-Fabab. K-Fabab. According to the bridge bleacher report, up until that point, professional wrestling had spent much of the late 80s and early 90s in a comfortable zone of family friendly programming that had a certain stench of cheesiness to it. Like this guy called Hillbilly Jip. Yeah, I guess so. Stench of cheesiness.

Cartoon like characters over the top acting and repeated enhancement matches featuring the big star versus the no name. Have you heard of this? No, what would they do so funny? So they take a big name, put them up against a no name and the big name would just build, start like getting their, their signature move popular with the crowds and stuff. So they just do it over and over again, beating these no name. But they could do that against other famous people because it's all scripted map. But, but then, no, the point was that then they'd do so they'd get the they'd build up

The big name even bigger get his move big and then they'd get him up against another big name and make it a pay-per-view So just yeah kind of but I think people were getting a bit bit What over that they're pretty bored of seeing me fight the rock. And then go. Oh, I would never get bored of that. That would be the best. He's doing the people's. So people's elbow won me like five times.

I just watched my friend die. Oh, how much fun. So far. That'd be so skitt. He's biceps, I think, of the my stomach. He'd miss you with the people's elbow there. He's trained on doing it to like, other six goals. You just go under his legs.

You'd be an easier target to miss, I imagine. Wouldn't you? The smaller you are, the easier you are to miss. Surely. That makes sense. So WCW changed a lot of this, all this cheese in us, supposedly. They were backed by the Uber Rich Ted Turner. Oh, CNN. CNN, yeah. Rich from Uber, before it was Ted Turner. Oh, CNN.

CNN, yeah. Rich from Uber before it was a thing. That's interesting. Did not take off. Do you lost billions? Wow. He started poaching WWF stars as well. Now the biggest...

What's taking them out with sniper rifles? Yep, like a hitman. No, poaching ones like an arrow. On safari. No, putting them in a boiling whirlpool of water. His trick was vinegar. It works every time. The biggest star that WWF had created up to that point was Hulk Hogan, and he was brought

over to WCW by Turner on the big quash. Business was getting pretty hard for McMahon and the WWF brand. Shit! And he needed to change. Maybe beaten by Turner's WWF brand. Shit! And he needed to change. He'd be beaten by Turner's WCW. Fuck, this was his moment. It's now on Never Vincay. What should I say, Mr McMahon?

Not yet, no, he's still... Sorry, still Master McMahon. Still Master. As the Monday Night Ratings War continued, the WWF transformed itself from the more cartoony family-friendly product to become more adult-amed. This time it became boxing. It became porn. Mixed with boxing. They secretly film people having

intercourse and then I can tie some of it down. I'm gonna stop punching them. It's also fun. Do you think it's funny here? Dave intercourse? I don't know how to do that. I'd say it again. I just can't. No, I don't want you to either. Yeah, that was weird. It made me go to another place in the mind. Place I wasn't sure if I wanted to be. I'll get back to you. Still deciding. Yeah, I don't want to be. So this time in WWF history has become known as the Attitude Era. So what used this?

This is mid-90s. That was the Attitude Era II. Fuck yeah, I was rocking that. At a Mohawk. And a leather jacket. In grade three. Yeah. Not even three. Yeah. Not even younger.

Great one. So the Anatura saw a more violent style coming, a more violent style. Yeah. It's terrible for my generation. And it also led to more politically incorrect characters and storylines being created for their shock value. Great. We can have a bit of it. Yeah, just trying to.

Do you have examples? Anti-feminist man. I believe there were some Yeah, put it back in the kitchen Toto women don't tell me what to do. I tell them what to do I also want to point out with both shimming as we say this life check out my pecs They're not boobs like a lady has yuck yuck, but I still like boobs. I objectify women all the time Let me hear you say objective

There was there was a lot more objectifying women. They started really sexualizing the female wrestlers The women I remember growing up most of them did have large fake breasts that were often on display and they were not wearing much We were never wearing but I mean, yeah, I guess the guys weren't wearing a lot of either so I don't yeah, I was thinking about it It's different. It is different. thinking about it. It's different. It is different. It is different and so it's different. It's okay if they don't wear much. We can objectify men.

You just can't do it to us. No, but I mean, I don't know if that's, yeah, that's a confusing thing, because it's sort of like, it is okay. It's totally acceptable for a man to go around topless and not be sexualized. So it's a confusing thing. That always, actually, the only time that annoys me

is when it's a really hot day And I'm out for a run and dudes are running with no shirt. I'm like fuck. I want to do that Oh whenever whenever I just do it When I see man running without a shirt off with that with outy shirt off I get annoyed and I say take it off Take it off take it off take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off! Yeah! Now when I see your man with that, he should, especially when it's not that hot, I'm just like, go fuck yourself. It pisses me up so bad. It pisses me up so bad.

He's left the house with no shirt, and I'm like, come on mate. But sometimes if they got it tucked into their shorts and they're holding their top, I'm like, that's fine. Are you serious? Yeah, I don't really care, it's fine. Keep the fucking shirt on. I agree, because a lot of the time it's like a tiny, singlet that they've taken off. And I'm like, you could, I don't think you'd make much of a difference.

Another thing I hate, singlets. Why, what are you arms are running? A fucking wet suit. Yes, please. I'm actually, with flippers. Just really surprised us over that suggestion. She's like, I want to see opposite of a singlet. Let's see how big I can go.

Oh my goodness. I went big. Oh, I've bought it out of the bag here. This would be a ridiculous thing to run in. Picture it. Perkins, perkins. What do you want to run in a bloody astronaut suit? Yes, whilst wearing flippers. Perkins, perkins. So this change led to a big surge in the popularity of pro- in general, but WWF sort of sort of a resurgence as well. And this new era brought several wrestlers to start them including the anti-hero stone cold Steve Austin, the rock mankind.

Yes, Mick Foley. He's also a lot of characters. Right, because I remember seeing I remember seeing mankind. Because I reckon it was on TV for a while in the mid late 90s maybe on free to air and show Maybe channel 9 or something and I vaguely remember seeing mankind But that's I can't remember a mask yeah like this weed sort of almost like a horror mask He was like kind of like a horror mask. And he was like fucked up like he would talk to a sock. Oh, yes. He talked to a sock and he would like do these crazy matches.

The I think Mick Foley, the guy is actually the crazy himself because he would do these crazy long matches and they would do like steel cage matches with weapons and stuff. And he would actually have his head cut open and stuff. And this is just very good at what he tells. He's a method wrestler. One time he jumps off the top of this Steel Cage thing and he actually knocks himself out. You can see Vity over on YouTube. Yeah, so he was obviously a fan favorite

because he was actually look like he was doing bad stuff to his body. Yeah, that's what they want to want to watch You want to believe I guess Yeah, because bed has a fan of wrestling The realer it seems the more you can convince yourself with real I guess Yeah, but I don't want to see people get hurt That's the same with that's why I don't really like watching boxing Because yeah or UFC

Because you're actually seeing people Yeah Like Be the shilly Really hurt each other I don't really like that No You guys are soft Yeah I like beat the shilly really hurt each other. I really like that. No, you guys are soft. Yeah. Yeah, I like to watch kittens, but my favorite thing about boxing

kittens boxing is the best thing ever. I love that that UFC wrestler Conno Magrega UFC fighter I should say because he's like a wrestler because he has Crazy attitude. Yeah, and that's part of him his brand like he's done it wrestling style It's yeah, that's smart. He's sort of done it Yeah, and now he's what about like that Wait, rich than the other guy like that at we gotta be really good as well though He won two belts first guy to win two Belts over two weight divisions his own division and the one above him

He challenged the guy and beat him that's pretty great And then he's like I've been talking a lot of shit about people and I just want to say I'd like to apologize To absolutely nobody! Craig goes, well, that's such a wrestling thing. Yeah, that's true. And like he shoots videos himself driving like sports cars and drive private planes and stuff. It's all part of the image. Yeah, smart.

And that does your brand. Totally. You make yourself richer by a weird system, but... Yeah, it's weird, isn't it? People love that. But I appreciate it. People love a bit of arrogance sometimes. That's what we do. If you already like him a bit,

and also... And also... I'm just trying to make him love him. Also, the fact that he actually backs it up every time. That helps as well. We need to talk about our social media content then. Content, yeah. What we need to do is film us on private planes

driving Lamborghinis. On the plane. I'm apologizing to no... Yes! Lamborghinis. On the plane. I apologize to you to no, yes! Lamborghinis on a plane and then people will give more to our Patreon even though, because we look like we don't need it. Oh, I understand that. So we don't need your money.

Right now we really use it. We can really use your money right now. Well, that's what we're pretending. Yeah, pretending. Wait, what? Are we? That's the character we're playing. Which thing we're playing.

We should go from face poor people to heal, rich people that, I wouldn't need money, we don't need your Patreon. And then they'll give us money. Exactly. And then we can eat. The hitman didn't like the new direction. The one direction.

The sexy, the sexy new one direction. Because he was a wholesome guy. And he, you know, sure pretended to bash people for a living, but he didn't appreciate the sexy, violent, unPC, heart by name, bashing, heart by nature, over the people. Adress little, mainly, at this time, there were also people he started really disliking

other wrestlers that were coming up in popularity. Like this one guy, Sean Michaels, via Ram... Oh yeah, HBK, the heartbreak kid, who, he bills himself as that right. Yeah, look him up, he's like the most average looking dude with a ponytail in his mint forties and he's still like, and his song,

he comes out to a song that's like, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, I think I'm sexy. And then women with cheery man, and that was his image, even though he was, it's so funny that you can create, even beyond like, you think, like it's reality.

You can fake things, like I'm a bad guy Even though you're like behind the scenes you're like a nice guy But you can't come out and pretend that you're good looking or apparently you can yeah And he was like shorter than all the others not as muscular but he but he was really he was a heel and But people yeah, so was like the ladies were in him, my guess, but Heartbreak kids are a good name. But he was also a real showman, and it was kind of everything that the hitman hated about wrestling's new direction, supposedly.

But supposedly not only his character hated it, probably in real life they were also feuding sort of in character and out of character. So K-Fa was really confusing off the sea. Yeah, that's right. What are you? Hang on, are you actually pissed off at me? Very confusing. How do Facebook message you sent to me?

Was that real? Which pissed off? Because no one can see that. Is this the pissed off you are about the wrestling stuff or the stuff about me only that cash? Yeah. Because I can't tell. Tell me which one. And I'll. Sean? Heartbreak Kid. Tell me which one and I'll.

Sean. Heartbreak kid. Sean. Hello. Unless Sean. I always dislike Sean Michaels. You dislike him or like him. I did not like him at all. Right. Heartbreak kid though. I'm a fan of that. Yes, I suppose at 12 you're not I'm not getting the possible irony of him not being that attractive. Yeah. I was just a bit like who's this dude with a ponytail that all the women care about? I care about the cool mussely dudes that like beat each other up heaps. Also Stone Cold Steve Austin,

it was, there was a bit of a feuding between him. I think that was more... Him and the world, him and the Hitman. Oh right, cool. At WrestleMania 13, heart face off against Stone Cold in a submission match, which Dave, you can explain maybe? Oh, I think it's... keeps going to us a minute. Keep going to someone taps out.

So rather than using the winner as like a fall, which, you know what I mean, you pin them to the ground for three seconds. Oh yeah, one, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, like this one it's like I've got you in an arm hold and I'm gonna break your arm and then eventually after about 15 minutes genuinely that would if they're the man match who would have been in the

position and he'd be crawling because if you grabbed the rope and that you have to let him go right and then you bring him back off the rope and you do it and they'd crawl around and they'd nearly nearly to and they've tapped 15 minutes later. Right just really droid. It goes so well. Sounds great. How do what? Any eye-stancing around? Yeah, that'd be more interesting. Oh god. That says a little bit of movement. A little bit more, you know, yeah, 300 steps per second. A little bit more emotion in it. So in this mission match, Austin suffered a cut to his face. Can't fake that. It's real blood stop yelling at me and it was

We're just trying to make you hate it Jess. We're trying to get you to be a heal, but you're like I just don't care Yeah, because I'm not a monster who shits on other people's loves. Okay. I'll hate it. I'll hate it if you like fine pool in my chest That'll make you happy So you want all right, I'm taking my shirt off. I'm never brought up. I don't know. I'm not going to poo on you. First you should have my dreams and you're peered on my chest.

I don't know either. That's the two things we're remember from this episode just Perkins. Miss Perkins. No. Hey, she doesn't want to do it. I don't want to poo on you. You keep coming up these weird scenarios. Two years to like the shirt is off. He doesn't be shirt off. Hmm. I'm lying on the floor with a mic. Flood it back on. I'm ready for my destiny. Well, I am not ready. That's

weak as you asked for. Off mic, perhaps. Maybe Matt Stts some fancy editing where he took out the phrase, I'd like to shit on your chest, but. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Whoopsie daisy. Oh, it's got him in there. Whoopsie daisy. Oh, the backwards, oopsie daisy. The backwards, Cincinnati, oopsie daisy. Yeah, it's a back-wits daisy. It's at the Yishab Shooter. It's at the Yishab Shooter. The Shab Shooter. But Austin refused to tap out.

Eventually, like it, and it was like you were saying, just refused to tap out. And then eventually, he passed out from blood loss. What? Which one do they say? And I can't, like the whole time reading this, I'm like, I have no idea where the truth starts. There'd have to be a lot of blood everywhere in him too. You'd have to lose like a liter, right?

That's a lot of blood. That's part of the script. And also like a tiny cut on your head will bleed a lot. Like a liter? No, I don't know, but, I don't know, is it? Oh, good point. I don't know how to show why,

but I just know the head wounds will always bleed a lot. I don't know. I don't know. Is it? Oh, good point. I don't know. I'm not sure why, but I just know the headwinds will always bleed a lot. It's always because it's a lot worse than it is. Right. Because a lot of blood's going to go to your brains. There's lots of shit around there. So like a little cut will just pour blood, but it's tiny and nothing.

Right. But it's just, yeah. Yeah, so we'll assume that that's bullshit anyway. So in the story, and I get, this might have even been part of it, but this period, oh, anyway, I'll get to that later. The, I'll just say too many thoughts in a row. So, yeah. So, someone's getting excited by wrestling. Hey, you refused to take out.

I hate it. You know, I pretty much always get excited about the top of a head. And it's, you know, I read this much about anything and I watch documentaries and stuff. I'm like, I'm in. Yeah. So, yeah, he refused to tap out, eventually passed out,

which meant heart is awarded the win. But despite this, he- Hang on, that's not a submission, that's a pass out. Yeah, that's interesting. I think if it's a submission, I guess it's a submission's all pass outs. But he refused to let go of the hold even after the match is over.

No. Even though Stonecoz passed out. He's passed out. And he's like holding a man. In the Cincinnati, that's a dim. I'm not sure if it was this match or another one, and he even like, he was just playing real dirty, and he kicked him when he was down.

Well, I'm not sure if that was this one or a different, but basically this match. Is he hurting him for real? I don't know. Okay. Pafay. I don't talk about it because of the Pafé rule. At WrestleMania 13, is, I'm trying to think

what that word, K-Fabe. Pafé. Pafé is a dessert. Inbrello of Pafé's, Pafé's a delicious. Shrek, we got that Shrek episode happening one day. I like that boulder. Those are nice boulder. Still got it. So yeah, so that was WrestleMania 13.

So in that match, Stone Cold Steve Austin went from heel to face. Ah, no. The Hitman Heart went from face to heel. They switched. No. It was like, it was a very rare occurrence of a double turn. Oh, that is so hard. What a rare occurrence! Hahaha! Who would have I would have loved to have witnessed that occurrence? What are you? Because I too.

Well, I'd love to have seen that occur. It's just so rare to see a doubled. It's just not something that occurs. I cannot remember the last time that occurred. When you made it, that sounds Canadian. So how it was now in the world? What is historical occurres? Let Mark this day. The day. The day.

The day. Okay. The day. It all. I can't. Wait, I'd say you guys say I said it. It's funny. No, you're fine.

I let you leave in here. You say it. I'm just repeating her impression of you. No, I said it weird. I thought. I thought you were. You thought you got away with it. I thought I was gonna get over

I don't think anyone noticed because the funny thing is if I do stop and go back and repeat Yeah, we're just gonna be like no one cares. It's fine. So and this is the exact reason That's right make me the make me the bad guy You're the fuck I'm a heal you're the healer. Okay. Well, Ladi fucking dar Made me laugh. Now you want to shit on maths sh shit, huh? Yeah, I'm gonna shit on by the VHS Oh, wait, what I don't want this they heard it It's not about what we want map. What a strange thing for you to accuse me of David good heavens. I'm a lady Well, you're only as old as the lady that shit's on your chest and that is not a regular occurs

That would be true in your case, Dave. Yeah, because we're the same age. So now by a couple of days, if anything, your age two days. So now, heart is like the risk is a villain, right? At least in the United States. What do you mean? In the face. In the United States. And he started, he started, because he's a dual citizen, but he's sort of Canadian-born, he's got a Canadian accent. He started, his character at least started bagging out America more and more. So he really embraces here things. Right, because Stone Cold is like all American.

Yeah. From the South. And there are other Characters like other occurrences the Patriot maybe is that someone Did he go on a wrestle after that So yeah one speech in an American like most of the rest things in America, but some's in Canada, obviously, but, uh, one American match, he, this is in the documentary goes, Canada is a country where we still take care of the sick and the old.

We still have health care. We have gun control. Canada isn't riddled with racial prejudice. We don't go around shooting each other. Whoa, little too real their mate Which was yeah that one and the American crab is like whoa The shootings are regular a car because he is saying because he was I don't know if you got the subtle point there We're saying all those things are not true for America and in another time

Imagine Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. We have listeners from Pennsylvania including in Pittsburgh Go penguins as I always say and then when he was in Pittsburgh, he said And if you were gonna give the United States an anima you'd stick the whole right here in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania Oh wow So I'm in like the asshole. So he's a real bad guy now, but Routel you'd stick the whole right here. I don't think that's our animus work Yeah, you don't choose where the hole is but do you you'd say you'd stick the tube? Yeah, I think that's what he meant Maybe they call Chew tolls in Pittsburgh. Oh, yeah, maybe it's talking the local lingo

So those sort of jabs are all part of his storyline jabs are all part of his storyline. Jabs. And, and he has said later that he regretted the Pittsburgh line. He liked Pittsburgh. He liked Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh. The American.

Go Pingans. Go Pingans. Go Pingans. Go Pingans. The American crowds increasingly turned on him. I was kind of thinking, watching this documentary, but he was thinking, thinking that it's so funny how easily the wrestling crowds are manipulated like that. That's what I was thinking at first when I'm like sort of realizing that, you know, the wrestlers are all acting and the crowd sort of are as well. They're just in on it. They're playing the game. So they're not

being manipulated. They know it's all bullshit, but they're still like their role is to hate the heel and to love the hero that's just how it goes and I think in some instances it goes the other way like they'll turn on a guy and and I think like the rock early on was meant to be a face but he didn't just not buying it I think yeah they didn't get into him like it doesn't necessarily work but usually I think they get on board the one that's meant to be the hero and they are against the one that's villain. I found that interesting because they're in the first half of me sort of researching on me on wrestling fans. I don't get it. Like how do you get so

into it? How do you buy it? But it's, I think I read someone's how about, you know, what's the difference between movies and like, oh yeah, that's because I was thinking like Avengers movies. Yeah, that's all, because I was thinking like Avengers movies. Yeah, there's two sides you had the back of, that's a good guy. It's so into it, I know it's all bullshit, but I love it. It's the same sort of thing. You're still thinking,

fuck them up! Yeah. Go-Cup Donut America! Woo! I like Captain America. Well, I was gonna put the anime, I'd put it right here, and Captain America's shield.

Well, I was gonna put it in Ultram's butt. Ha-ha-ha-ram's butt. That's better. That's better than the shield. Why would you put in the shield Dave? He needs that. Can't put a hole in it. Can't put a hole in it. That's made of pure that special metal. Yeah. The name of which I have forgotten. Shieldanium, Metadeum. Anobtain him? Unobtainable. Liam. Yep, that's one. But he was still a huge star. I continued from halfway. It was sentenced.

And due to this, he was offered huge money by Ted Turner to come across to WCW. Ah. The same time Vincent McMahon didn't want him to go. So he offered him a contract for less money, but a much longer contract than around 20 years, like a long contract. Okay, I'm going to give you a contract. It's less money and it's less time, but I'm lucky to stay.

The next thing was because... There is literally no perks to this. No perks? There is no pro, there is only cons. In the documentry, it's the... What do you say? And then he slides it across the table. That's where you get him the slime Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll say yes in the documentary was saying how you know

You felt like you know they're fighting over him a bit and it felt like it was the prettiest girl in the ball So and he found the decision pretty hard because like the money from WCW was big But he saw McMahn as a father figure, and he felt really loyal to the WWF brand. I mean, his career was all based on McMahn, basically. He was the one that put him up there, made him, you know, wrote him into winning titles and stuff. You can't do it without, you know,

it being decided. Yeah, so, I mean, you've got to play your part. You've got to be, you know, you've got to play this role, and the crowds have got to, you know, react to you one way or being decided. Yeah, so I mean, you've got to play your part. You got to be, you know, you got to play this role and the crowds are going to, you know, react to you one way or another, I guess, but still you need someone to be on your team who's writing the scripts. It was interesting. I was wondering about it. Like, what happens?

Does it always go to script? And there was one fight. I think it was in London, where he was scripted to was one fight I think it was in London where he was scripted to win the fight, Hitman was, and during it he broke his sternum, so he had to lose the fight like that to like change the script mid thing and he was out. So sometimes if there's a real injury it might go the other way. How do you communicate that? It's got a bit of a signal. Like, it's not going well.

It's not a joke. I think he just showed his sternum. He pulled it out of his chastening. This is not meant to be out here. Waving at the camera. Yeah, we're here. No good. I need this bit inside of me again.

Can we? Can we write this up? Yeah, I submit. I'm submitting. I'm not enjoying that mental image. What was I talking about? Oh, yeah So yeah, he's he's happened to make a decision between WCW and WWF But because he sees McMahon as somewhat of a father figure and also felt loyal to WWF He accepted the long-term deal to stay. Wow, you know, basically a meaning that he because he was about 40 both stage

I think so he's sort of seen him out really. Yeah, he's got job security. Yeah, totally. And you know what, that's how to come by. In the arts, which this is. Totally is. The big war with WDCW, though, was taking its toll on WWF, the business. And despite fighting to keep heart, McMahon eventually turned around and said to Hart that he probably should go and see if he can still get that big money deal that was offered by WCW. What? Yeah.

Hey, I've been thinking about it. It's pretty dumb if you don't say yes to that. It was sort of that as well as like... Why did he not want him anymore? He kind of didn't want him anymore. I think it made sense for him, other people coming out. It was almost like his soil line was almost playing out Steve Austin was coming up now the rock

people were taking over as the number one guy anyway, and also He was the long-term deal Same bad because he was about to float on the market Just physically float on the market, just physically float on a. So and because when he was going public long-term, you call him liability, what do you call long-term? I guess so. Whatever they're called in accounting world, Jess.

A bad news apparently, unattractive for potential investors, some shit like that. Right, I imagine it's pretty hard to get rid of them if it's not going well. We've got to pay him out heaps. Yeah, I guess so. You're like, hey, we didn't eat you anymore, but we've contracted you for 15 more years. So here is a million dollars for each of those years. Yeah, yes, we've got good. And we're not getting any more from you.

Yeah. Um, so yeah, so there were those kind of reasons and it made him, which would have felt a bit, you would have felt a bit hurt. That's hard. I've bred the Hitman hurt. Yeah, so he basically was forced out, right? But heart was able to lock in that deal with WCW. All right, this is good. And in his around 14 years with the WWF. Is this the screwdriver? It's leading up to it. Oh, I thought him being screwed. The whole topic is the screwdriver. Yeah, we're not even there.

I thought him being screwed up by a McMahon was going to be the screwdriver. Okay, yep, you're good. Oh, MacMahon, we've called him. It is definitely a part of it. So he's gone to WCW, but the deal didn't kick in immediately. So he had a few months left to run on his WWF contract. And between them, they had to figure out how his storyline would come to an end with the company.

In the contract though, Hart had a clause written into it that said that he would have some creative input to the storyline. So what he did was a moving interpretive dance piece. I'm moonwalking out of here and I'm gone. And he's shimmy. Shimmy the whole way back. The thing that complicated it was that he was... Has no creativity.

Was the... Yeah, he's like, I've got no ideas, but I'd like to have him put it. He was the champ. Sequence, I don't know. He was the champion at the time. So yeah, he was the holder of the belt. All right, so you have to give it the belt and leave. Yes, that's right.

So... Oh, they're going to do a match where he says, if I get beaten, I'll walk, because he's so confident. And then he gets beaten. That's a great idea. Do they do that? That sounds like a good deflation. Yeah, that would make sense.

What did you say? You know, fucking listening. No, I'm trying to get to, what did you say, so? I said, they'll do a match where he's really cocky leading up to it and he says, well, if I lose this one, then I'm out. Yeah, like I bet my career on this panel. Yeah, bet my career on it. And then he loses, he's like, well, I'm certain I'll do it, then I'm out. Yeah, like I bet my career on Span. Yeah, bet my career on Span. And then he loses, he's like,

Well, I'm certain I'll do it. And then he leaves. Well, the tricky thing was, because you know, that he was going to WCW anyway. And at first they, Well, so yeah, I can't kill him off. They can't kill him. They agreed to keep it a secret.

But McMahon sort of reneged on that and he went out and announced it. So he was worried that WCW would break the story I think, so he came out and did it first. I said it first. Yeah, basically. He wanted to own the narrative, I guess. We said go, he didn't quit.

Just saying it. Just saying. End of press conference. Heart was worried that if he went out of winner he'd take the belt to like one of the WCW shows and ridicule it and put it in the bin, you know, piss on it or something, shit on it, shit on those chests and then rub it in the belt. Rub it into the belt. So he's, that's getting shit on his hand. No, he's put the glove on. And the idea of that would be that he,

and the idea would be that that would be sort of, you know, like not good PR for WWF. Oh, he was shitting on a belt. And wiping a post-ained glove onto the belt. To me, it would be worth, that would look worse at WCW. Coming man's like, I'll own it. I'll shit on the belt myself. I, it would be worth, that would look worse to WCW. Coming man's like, I'll own it. I'll shit on the belt myself.

I'll rub my post-anglo on it. I'm not too proud. Apparently that was a genuine fear of McMahon. He didn't want that to happen. So I needed to make man's point to him. So they basically needed to figure out a way for heart to leave without the belt. Just lose.

And that, yes, we're already wrote the story. If you now say what I said before. I mean, quite clearly, I mean, you're thinking that maybe there's something, maybe some of the more complicated than that or. Oh no. Well, the more complicated thing is that he doesn't want to, he doesn't want to go out of loser.

Oh, well, if you get to take the million dollar contract, mate. You've got to take one for the tag. It's a tricky thing, right? So I had to figure out a way that would leave everyone happy, because he had in his contract some creative control. Killing option. But he won the fiber, but then he died. There was a big event coming up in Montreal, Canada called the Survivor Series.

And the obvious plan would have been for Hart to just go down to the second banana of the WWF. So that the second banana would become the first banana. And then that would have been straightforward if the second banana didn't happen to be Hearts biggest rival Hard break kid Sean Michaels Fucking Sean Michaels don't even get me started about that pretty boy not pretty boy face That ugly pretty boy. That ugly pretty boy with a ponytail He said he said to McMunn that asking him to lose to Sean Michaels in his home country of Canada

Is basically asking him to blow his brains out in the ring? Okay, bitch dramatic dramatic a little dramatic. Yeah, and he's like is that an option? Yeah, can we? Sean can Sean Michaels does stuff with the Canadian flag around this period? He's wiping on his ass. He's like, faking, humping it. He's wiping his nose with it. Oh, no. I think very disrespect to the flag.

No, no. The Maple Leaf. And the beautiful people of Canada are just standing back, not knowing what to do. Because they're so lovely. So beautiful. That's your guy. A young Justin Trudeau is going, look. Look, my.

Violence is not the answer. There's got to be another way. He's right. He's still right. All the way up to the day of the match, they hadn't figured out how. But they've built the match. The matches built, they're going to wrestle.

They just don't know how it's going to end. Oh, fuck. And the documentary crew, who's been following been following around is there on the day This is awesome. I can't live. I've never heard of this. I love wrestling McMahon obviously not McMahon's shoot said No cameras so because I wanted he wanted a chat heart McMahon were chatting before the thing they had to figure out how how it was gonna go down, what was gonna happen,

and it man's like no cameras. So, who? Heart, where's a wire? He's wearing a microphone, and the conversation is recorded, and it's basically heart telling MacMan that he feels a bit hurt about how it's all playing out,

that week was playing out. MacMan responds by blaming Ted Turner, he's like, he's someone getting in between us. It's not me, it's not your fault. I appreciate everything you've done. Vince told him to go. So he gave Vince the option of staying. Vince fucked this up in my mind.

Yeah, Vince fucked. Yeah, totally. Vince is blaming Ted Turner for going so hard at his business that forcing his hand that he couldn't afford to. Right. I think he's really good. He really good.

He's like, this guy's been better he's really good. He's really good. He's really good. He's really good. He's really good. He's really good. He's really good. He's really good. He's really good.

He's really good. He's really good. He's really good. He's really good. He's really good. He's really good. He's really good. He's really good.

He's really good. He's really good. He's really good. He's really good. He's really good. He's really good. He's really good. He's really good. He's really good. maybe, but he was still very popular, especially outside of America. Right. Where is the better person? Where is still a face and he's a hero in Canada and Europe apparently they love him as well. In the... Yeah, my dad and my mom watched it a little bit, I think, but my dad was, yeah,

pretty human, huh? He was popular. Yeah. And imagine in Australia he was a hero. Wow. Yeah, I bet you yours. In the conversation, Brett suggests that the match ends with something like a schmoss. Do you know what a schmoss is? It's a wrestling show.

No, but I love it. It's so good, it's about SCHMOHZ. I think something like that schmoss. Love it. Is it schmoss? It could be schmoss. I've heard American's pronounced schmoss. Like a schmossal? Yeah, that's what I would have almost pronounced, but I heard them say schmoss. I've heard red Americans can pronounce it schmoss like a schmossal Yeah, that's what that's what I would have almost pronounced it

But I heard them say schmoss and what and that's where American listeners are laughing at you right now Oh nearly every word I say but the Mary land Oh, yeah, okay, so someone tweeted and said I was saying Mary land wrong. It should be Maryland It's alright. I think look at the word and say it should be Maryland. Is that right? I think so. Look at the word and say who's wrong. And what was that other one? Some other guy wanted me to say their thing. What's their thing?

Montana. Montana. That's what he's doing. That's fine, yeah, you got that one. Montana. I think they wanted you to say it like, fashion or Montana. There we go.

That's good, now it does feel better actually. Montana. Montana. Ha ha ha ha. Sounds. It gets me every time. I want to go there. My turn now. All right, so in the office was Brett and Vince.

Yes, or even in the corridor. They were like, they're in the stadium. So it's almost show time, you know. It's on the day of. Fuck, and they haven't worked it out. Yeah. And don't they have to have rehearsals and stuff for the match? It makes it seem like there's no rehearsals.

They just, they basically figure out the moves. I thought it was all. I did say, basically, so weird. I'm falling apart. The Higgs personally figured it out. So they, I think they sort of, it's more like curbing enthusiasm. They know where they need to go.

And then they figure it out a bit along. They've got, they've got key posts after it. That's how I understand it. But I'm a girl who's been researching this topic for like a week on and off. Not non-stop. To be honest, I got a job. No, you've got it all right. But I've been reading about and watching stuff about it, and that's how I understand it. I may be way off. There may be our rehearsals. I'm not sure. But they certainly didn't show any rehearsals in the documentaries or. So anyway, a schmoss is where the ring is swamped by wrestlers, which ends the match in like a drawback. I like it as a qualified. Yeah, exactly. So that's what Brett suggested. He's like, I

don't win, but I don't lose. And then the following day, I'll make an announcement that I'm forfeiting my belt. So I don't take the belt. I don't lose. I don't win. It feels like a compromise. Vince is going to say no. And that became the agreed plan. Vince is going to say yes. Mick Mahan got a... he got on board. He said yes.

Hang on Matt. I feel like Dave back me up here. I feel like Vince is going to think this is a great plan. I feel like Vince is going to say great. This is a plan. And then that's going is a great plan. I feel like Vince is gonna say great, this is a plan and then that's gonna become their plan. If Jess knows Vince, which she does, what I do, she's shadowing his chest that time. Oh yeah.

Look, I reckon you're someone on the ball in your way. So let's just check what Vince say. What happened? He said yes. I told you. So that was the plan. You literally just told us.

That was a great upon plan. They had different ideas. And I don't like that and say exactly what the plan was to lead up to it. But the plan was that our schmals was going to happen, which is so fun. Plan A, schmals. Schmals, plan B, refer to plan A.

See plan. See plan. Doesn't that's a weird system? But it's weird, it just weirdly works, I don't know how, but it does. It's like, the schmoz doesn't work. Well, the schmoz will solve the schmoz. Get out of my head. I won't. I'm gonna touch you knee.

How do you? A special spot. So in front of a packed out crowd, Hard is ready to take on his arch enemy. Sean Michaels. Sean Michaels is... Because I didn't even seem talked about as a heartbreak kid. It's funny that he... Because he's normally... They talked about him as Sean Michaels.

Maybe after this in the early 2000s, he became a heartbreak kid. But when I was watching, he was one of the big guys. He did have hearts on his tights. Right, he was different. So maybe he was just a... He was just a... Yeah, that's what they've wear, isn't it? Bloody hell.

So I don't have all the lingo. Are they called tights, sure? I wasn't saying they're not called tights. I'm just saying it's funny that they're wearing tights. Also, he spells Sean with a W, which never set well. No. He enters, so first in Michael's comes out and he sings that song, David's talking about how I'm really cute, I'm really sexy.

Think I'm sexy. I'll post a link to it in the hilarious. And then, and then second to come out is Brad the hip man heart, draped in the Canadian flag, crowd goes wild, he's in his town, he's in his country, and they're right on board. If I get started from what I saw, it's almost boring, there's some wrestling stuff. I don't think it's remembered as a great fight necessarily.

It's one of the most infamous fights, but it's not remembered as a great fight, or this whole scenario anyway. They, I think they were basically following the script up until the point where Sean Michaels has Brett, the hitman heart in Brett heart signature move. The Cincinnati Whoopsadaisy. The Cincinnati Whoopsadai, AKO. The Cincinnati Sharp Shooter. That's right.

And at this point, at this point, the plan is for heart sort of switches around and then he's got Michael's in the Sharp Shooter. Wupsade A. Sorry, the Wupsade A. And at this point, but before he's able to switch it around, the ref says he's tapped out and calls off the fight,

calls Michael's a winner. But did he tap? Video is very clear, he did not tap. Oh no. Does the ring announcement everything go? And the winner is doing ding, ding, ding. By submission. Vince McMahon's ring side and he's saying ring the fucking bell,

ring the fucking bell and that's when they ring it. He's, you can hear him say that? Yeah, supposedly. I haven't, I didn't hear's saying ring the fucking bell ring the fucking bell and that's when they ring it He's you can hear him say that yeah, supposedly I haven't I didn't hear that There's a lot of commotion going on a low commotion. Oh my god. Oh my god. There's a low commotion going on and then what happens? A whole lot. There's a low commotion. I was a low commotion A whole heap. That was real It's all been a little bit To be honest, bit of a blur. The commercial started, a lot of commercial. I hit the deck and then I hit the hay.

It's a good one. Got 40 wings, woke up, it was all over. Red Rover. Thank you, good night. You're welcome. Thanks for coming. I'm Michael Cain. I'm home.

Michael Cain was there. He's been into wrestling. That's how much of a commission this was Yeah, I like a lot like I'm like I'm So I'm so keen on this back to the story It's amazing what happens in the ring last on the ring Basically Michael's grabs the belt he runs for the rooms can I didn't crowns? You know go on crazy the look on rooms. Canadian crowns, you know, go on the crazy. The look on hitman hearts faces like, he's like WTF. His face is like, what the fuck just happened, which is also what WTF stands

like. So he looks genuinely shocked. He's just like, wait, what the fuck? That's not how it was meant to go down. He's like, I was waiting for the schmarts. Where's the schmarts? Where's the schmarts at? This is Plan C, we only talked about Plan A and Plan B. And then, it's like Furious. He gets up, he's on the ropes, he spots Vince McMahon, and he spits from inside the ring onto McMahon's face.

Oh, gross! Fuck you! Kidding! He's just like, with his Furious look on his face, he just goes, gwfff, and just spits on his face. And can you see that he's face on his mouth? Aw, yeah. And then he gets out of the ring,

and he just starts smashing up the, the, the court side tables. Like the ring announces, Tangerine, they're like, they're a equipment. Just like there's an electrical box, and he just smashing them on the ground. Because usually, if that happens, I imagine they haven't set up ready to smash, but he's actually smacked, because a lot of people smash into that, it's like a very breakable table.

Yeah, totally, but it's just, but also the equipment and all that stuff. But he's actually breaking real stuff. Yeah. Oh my god. Then he gets back into the ring, and I'm like, like like I say I'm sort of dubious on everything I don't fully believe anything, but this is all like this is commonly believed to all be absolutely real Yep, this is canon all this Much like the suggestion of this topic gets back in the ring and he starts

Doing a symbol with his finger W C W Over and over and then you where he's leaving to is like what? W C W people like you're really fucking up the YMCA mate. It is not how this goes any yet He was doing the savers backwards from our perspective, but yeah, I'm letting him have it I mean he's writing it for his own You really doing it backwards. He was doing so for a while. Like, you can fuck up the way I'm seeing it.

Yeah. Oh, shit. Yeah, it's the sea. It's always the sea because the M. Can I go wrong? Why? Can I go wrong? Just the sea. So it's the NW. The W are I can...

I reckon that one's pretty ambidextrous. Anyway, I'm very keen. And then what's happening now? So he went into this match thinking they're all in it together. You know, they had a plan and they're all on the same page. And then he sort of... That was a bloody screwdriver. It was a bloody screwdriver, baby.

In Montreal. In Montreal, that's how it got its name. And then, Derek and Sean Michaels just run off and he's probably left the building, because, no, he's gone into the rooms. Oh, I thought he would have like, just gone to a taxi or something. He's got into the rooms, the documentary shows.

So, obviously the wrap was in on it, apparently working under the instructions of McMarne. Only following orders. Turns it, Michael's, so their hitman Hart goes back in the room, Michael's there and he goes, did you know about this? And he's like, no man, I didn't know, I didn't know. And he tells it later, like, Michael's just like weeping with tears, but I didn't see any of that, just like really upset by it.

Turns out later, I think it's, and Michael's has said now that he knew about it. He was in the museum. Oh. Turns out later I think it's and Michael has said now that he knew about it was Scum bag they were all basically all in at the ref McMahon the guy wrote the script like a shit feeling core team. Yeah, think you know a guy So he's back his backstage is in the rooms. He's furious. He tries to get to McMahon But McMahon locks himself in his office with his posse around him. He's trying to break down the door. He can't get in there. None of this is on camera. The documentary team doesn't catch him. This is just from retelling later.

And he's like, he gives up. He goes, hits the shower, as he starts to cool down. But then McMahon sort of confronts him, and, or he says he wants to see him. That's the message that gets passed on and and Hart goes, you better say, tell him to get out of here for his own sake, right? I'm furious. Don't, don't be around here, but he doesn't listen, he comes in and he's like, made it, if you don't fuck off, I'm going to punch you in the face. And they've both got their posse's around and right. And this is how the hit man heart tells it.

He's like, he's like, I knew if I tried to take him on anyway, it would just get pulled apart instantly. So I was almost no point. He's like, I could maybe get one good shot in. And they think I'm gonna go for a hook. So I took him, I hit him with an uppercut, knocked him out cold. Wow. Oh, I thought you were gonna say that he was like, a step-to-way. a hook So I took him I hit him with an uppercut knocked him out cold. Wow

Yeah, oh, I think you better say that he was like a step-to-way. He actually so he stepped in and punched him in the head uppercut uppercut He said like an uppercut, but he ended up with a black eye Which I don't know if that's how you get black eyes Maybe yeah, maybe raised it and race all the way out. Oh, he got him bang knocked him out in the aftermath so that's what the, I know there was a long buildup together at that point, but it felt like I had to tell some story. Of course that was great. You needed to build up. But yeah, I found it really interesting.

Well, just even the fact that all of this is made up is more interesting to me, but apparently this changed everything. From here on, WWF took off. The Hitman went over to WCW, but he was managed poorly. Hulk Hogan was still sort of first built, and he wasn't given enough line light, I guess. He won some championships with him, but he ended up injuring himself like a couple years into his contract, and he was retired by the 2000 around the same time that his brother died I think he maybe was like fuck this. Right, yeah.

And not too long after that, they started making bad decisions in the WCW and McMahon ended up buying him out. Oh wow. So the WF swallow WCW. But apparently this was a real turning point. This was the start of McMahon being his, like the super heel character of the whole wrestling universe. So in the wrestling world,

people knew that he'd been fucked over. Yeah, that was really good for like a brought back. Because there was a lot of sympathy for Hart. He was brought back to sort of heal a face status. I've probably been saying heal and face from the whole time. I think you've been okay. And so he made- It was 1892, there wasn't it?

1892, that's right. So it was sort of good for his image. I made MacMahon, this super villain that was used ongoing. And then he started even getting involved in matches and stuff, I think, for what day was on. Yeah, for sure, he did wrestle. Which is pretty funny.

That's a crazy. And he's a big muscle dude. Yeah, right. And then... Nothing, an uppercut, can't handle. Yeah, cop that. It just led to a really popular era. And some people say that if it wasn't for the this whole period and especially this

Screw job they reckon this was played a big part into it wrestling being an ongoing viable Wow, which is pretty amazing. I did amazing In the in the aftermath the popular opinion is a little bit split as to who was in the right and who was in the wrong like Some people say it's a little hazier than black and white. Like, should hard of just lost the Michaels maybe. You know, it's what some people say. You should have just, you know, he's, he's leaving. Just, just saying you're gonna lose, you know.

Yeah. Do the thing that, you know, it's fine. It's weird that they couldn't have done it in a different city, maybe done it in America somewhere. You know what I mean? You know, you have to done it in a different city, maybe done it in America somewhere. You know, right? You have a head to do it in his home country. But it made me wonder, and I don't, you guys know Cam Tarson. Yes.

He's the biggest wrestling fan I know, probably the only big wrestling fan I know, and I know this because he's doing a festival show at the Comedy Festival called Wrestle Brainia. It's like a, a,. It's like a panel show. How about wrestling? Comedy panel show about wrestling, professional wrestling. So I texted him today actually and I said, oh, what do you think about it?

And he said, he thinks it's a little more complicated than a black and white thing. He said, Vince was wrong to screw Brett. I love how he just has an opinion ready to go. Oh, that's great. Vince was wrong to screw Brett, but he did have to protect his brand and company image. Brett was wrong to stubbornly refuse to job to Sean.

Job is lingo for losing, being scripted to lose. So if you're apparently wrestlers who go around and their specialty is losing, they're called jobbers. Oh, good job. What a job. Just on a job, my job is just a guy that specialty is losing. They're called jobbers. Oh, good job. What a job. Just doing a job. My job is just a guy that I'm losing. But asking him to lay down in Canada is horrific.

Oh, can. Sean taking the title was the right call for the feud, but he had the ear events and could have talked him into doing it differently. I just like this was nearly instant reply. That's amazing. That is amazing. Got it saved was nearly instant reply. That's amazing. That is amazing. Got it saved in his notes, ready to go.

He's ready. That's awesome. I couldn't, but I had just the whole way through and even now I feel pretty skeptical. Yeah. And it's just, it's such a perfect dramatic finish to it all. He's down on the fact that he loses by his own move to his arch nemesis in front of the home crowd. And that he spits on his face to his arch nemesis in front of the home crowd. He spits on his face.

Yeah, and what a shot. That's amazing. And apparently it was kind of weird for Vince McMahon to even be there side of stage. Right. So why was he there? Or what did he call it side of Ring, Ring, side? He was also called him McMahon or McMahon. Like so many different times.

Nothing in Australia they say McMahon, but you know, they definitely call him Vince McMahon. How's it spelled? At MacMahon. MAH Owen. Yeah, I'd be MacMahon. MacMahon. But they call him MacMahon for sure. That's why I'm getting confused, I guess.

Yeah. I'm split, my dialect is split. So actually I looked up, I found this website that it listed 10 reasons why they reckon that it was all planned. They call it, oh, what are they call it? It's a... A rigidage. There's a term for a thing that's there's meant to seem like it's breaking. Yeah, it's a rigidage. The um, parfait, but it's not... Massive. Actually. It's a rigidage. A rigidage, sorry. Thank you. It's called a

worked something or something sorry, I can't think of the term. But anyway, a few of the few that I found convincing of this website, one of them said there were so many guys that Vince McMahon could have already had in places the WWE F champion in advance of his departure. Like he had time to plan. Yeah. There's no reason why it would have had to have been

this last minute thing that he was like, quick, we better, we gotta take it off from it the last minute otherwise we'll take it with him. It's like why didn't you just do that earlier? Yeah just take it off him a while ago. Sean Michaels could have done an earlier undertaker could have been champion Stone Cold was ready for the belt but McMahon chose to have the belt on Bret Hart despite knowing that he was off to WCW. It's all a bit unrealistic with the corner of this website. Another one they said, they said everyone benefited

from this story, which is an interesting one. So after the screwdriver business boomed, they blurred the lines between reality and go, fans are peeking the backstage conflicts, fans loved it. It turned this, created this new type of fan that we called smart somethings and they like just, they loved the behind the scenes like the tactics

and the drama of it and they're about the riding, I think Cam Tossins probably one of these guys, smart marks. So that's a whole new generation of fans or a whole new type of fans. They're all named Mark. They're all named Mark and they're all quite smart, smart enough to know it's not real. So yeah, all these fans loved it. Everyone else did well out of it as well. Vince McMahon became the massive heel. He became a billionaire. He became a superstar villain basically, which is like a really

handy thing for his company to have and he's fully in control of himself as well. So if you're going to, you want to be able to control your talent, being the talent helps. Brett Hart became the most sympathetic babyface in wrestling So if you're gonna you want to be able to control your talent being the talent helps Bret Hart became the most sympathetic babyface in wrestling and he got heaps of cashier at a WCW So he wins Sean Michaels got the championship Steve Austin now had the creative space to exist as the number one face in the WWF Said it just worked a little too well for everyone. And then it became a great podcast topic.

And everyone wins. Also, another reason was that there were too many conflicting accounts of how it all happened, right? So all these people have owned up to it, you know, they're like, yeah, this is how it happened. This guy came up with the idea. But nearly everyone said a different person came up with the idea. But nearly everyone said a different person came up with the idea. Also convenient. Yeah, so it's... Money the water.

Either maybe the time had passed and they'd forgotten, or maybe they just couldn't remember the made up story. They had about this made up story. Oh man, this is gonna be Debian Cooper. We'll find out when we die. It's the kind of thing that only one of these guys would, like I imagine, they'd have to come out and say it, but it's been such a good thing for all their careers. It's made a more legends kind of thing that only one of these guys would, like I imagine, they'd have to come out and say it, but it's been such a good thing for all their careers.

It's made a more legends kind of, it's a legendary thing, even though some of them are more legendary bad because of it, it's still, like, hasn't heard any of them, you know? It's the thing that's still talked about, there's heaps of documentaries about it. Oh, right.

Wow. So after all your research, Matt. I look, I asked Cam because I think he's the expert, because I'm still leaning towards its bullshit. I reckon it's all maybe part of the story. You are pretty serious. And it's genius. I quite, I love it if it's true. If it is made up and they've committed to it this long, I love it. I reckon it's so good. That's great either way, but I love it if that's a thing that they came up with that whole scenario and just stuck with it.

I reckon it's real sweet, really cool. So I asked Cam, I've almost finished with this, I've got one fun fact to finish with. This is what he said, when I said, is it bullshit? He said, he said, it's true that the best wrestling storyline successfully blur fact and fiction But heart really did punch McMahon backstage McMahon He's historically a very prideful reads stubborn man and being asked to drop the title to Michael's in Canada Was taken as a massive sign of disrespect but Vince was shit scared of heart walking out on the company with the belt and walking a WCW as the WF champ Champ so the trigger was pulled

Oh, Cam, that's beautiful So he would love to care enough about something to happen to be somebody's go-to like oh, I just will know about this You'll be expert, right? I want to be an expert in something. It's maybe so keen to see the show, which is on. The same time as that. Same time, same venue. Oh, same time. Yeah.

Are we clash? Yeah, we clash. Oh, fuck. So I'm told. So don't worry about going to their show. Yeah, I think it'll be terrible. That's probably great. I thought I was going to be able to see it.

I don't think you are. Not a fucker. Unless we have to cancel one of our shows because we have nobody turn up. So we can only hope. Maybe we could do a screw job. Oh! The MICF screw job. As in drink cocktails. Delightful. Get too drunk and forget. Alright, so I'm gonna finish with this, unless you go, did you guys want to say what you thought?

I think it, I think it really happened. That does seem like the popular opinion. I just think I'm just a genuine, genuine, genuine release. Yeah, you've always kept a cool. Yeah, I'm an optimist. Genuinely and generally. Yeah, I think I also think it happened.

Oh, that's cool. That's cool. And the way it sounds, it just seemed like he was fucked over. Yeah. Yeah, unlike it's definitely believable. Another thing is like the documentary crew happen to be there. He was wearing a wire and he, like it wasn't more far from it.

But I suppose that he is the one, why would you? At the time one of the most famous wrestlers in the world. So if you get him like a docker on one of them, it's probably him. Yeah, totally. I mean, yeah. Yeah, you definitely, that is believable. I

know it's a lot if that was all to build up to that moment that they even had the documentary that would be pretty unbelievable. That means a whole another element had to be involved in as well. And more people. How many people do you have in on a sequel? I don't know. I'm still torn but I just part of me thinks that it's just a really well written chapter in the wrestling thing. But it has, it's definitely made me more fascinated. But unfortunately, I'm in with the knowledge of Mid-90s wrestling. So I don't have no idea of any of the wrestling. Most of them don't wrestle anymore. John Cena has only got heard of that I think maybe still goes.

Yeah, yeah, he was big maybe eight years ago to happen. OK, right. But he's still thinking wrestlers. Up with the time. Because he also appears in, because WWE also make movies now. And he's in a bunch of those. That was a two-therry.

That's a good one, sir. That was a good one. They also started a new gridiron league called XFL, which lasted one season. because it was very unpopular. Was it scripted? Play a Possible. Alright so we'll finish with the fun fact. Someone tweeted at us and said bring back the fun fact. Fun fact, fun fact. But if you only have one, it's a lot of pressure on how much fun is. Fun fact, fun fact.

Fun fact is. Well, I'd forgotten about it, but doing Googling for it turns out that for some reason, well, for this reason, the Montreal Screw Job has been in the news this week. So I looked it up and there's so many stories about it. Why? And this is why adult film company, Brasers, is producing a parody of WWE's infamous Montreal screwdriver featuring actress Mia Malkova as WWE Hall of Famous Shawn Michaels and Romy Reyn as

WWE Hall of Famous Bret Hart and Johnny Castle as Vince McMahon. Filming began this week, but there's no word yet on the movie when the movie will be released. It appears the fuck job is the name of the movie. What? It's already called a porn title! Scroogey is a porn thing! The fuck job. I personally cannot wait for the release. That is so too female. Too female, yeah.

The performers. Too female playing the men, and then a man playing the man, Nick Man. They couldn't suspend this belief for a woman to play Nick Man. Oh no, no, that was fun. That's a really fun fact. That's a fun fact. But I think just because it was out this week, I don't think I would have even included

it in the facts because everything has had a parody. It's just crazy that it was like a week and a half ago that that was releases news. That is a fun fact. Led to some awkward moments on the train when I was watching the movie. For research, it's not out yet, that's a little, that was a little sorry to use a little joke. What's the word for Pannash? What is it? What's the word, man? Are you fagging up words? They're us today. What's that word mean? What's the word?

What's that word, Dave? Fun I, fungi. What? The word meaning not breaking the story. Oh, KFA. KFA. You've called it so many different things. I'm going to settle on KFA. It's a good one. KFA babe. KFA babe, that's right.

KFA babe, great hashtag. And great episode. Well done, Matt. Very long reportaibabe, that's right. K-Faibabe, great hashtag. And great episode, Matt, that was- Well done, Matt. Very long report, well researched, very cool story, and especially cool for me to relive some of those 90s early 2000s. And cool for me to let you relive something

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