Do Go On - 75 - Mutiny on the Bounty

Episode Date: March 29, 2017

Mutiny on the Bounty! A tale of drama and treachery on the high seas... many people know it on some level, as there have been FIVE feature films made about the story, but none since the 80s, so it's time for a refresher course. This story includes: boating, flogging, boning, blood letting and lush tropical islands!Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPod Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Melbourne and Canada, we got exciting news for you. And we should also say this is 2026. Jess, what year is it? 2026. Thank God you're here. Right now, I'm in Melbourne doing my show with Serengy Amarna 630 each night at the Cooper's Inn Hotel, having so much fun. We'd love to see you there. Canada, we are visiting you in September this year.

If you've somehow missed the news, we are heading up Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal and Toronto for shows. That's going to be so much fun. Tickets for all this stuff, I believe, are online. And I'm here too. And welcome to another episode of Do Go On. Over there, Jess, please. You're annoying Dave. I thought maybe I could have a go.

Well, you could have said that before. Yeah, you probably should have shotguned as I do every week silently to myself. Okay, I'm sorry. Dave, do you want to go again? I'll be quiet. No, no, Dave, let's give you a chest. Let's hear it. Okay. Come on.

I think it's time. 75 reps. Let's do it. Hello and welcome to Do Go On. My name is Dave Warnocky. and I'm here. Oh, fuck. Oh, no, she did it way better.

She did. Oh, no. This is the worst possible result. Is that I did it better than him? Yeah, because... How's that a bad result? Well, you've got so much. And Dave only has this.

That's true. Oh, no. Look at him. I've got nothing to live for. This tiny heart is broken. My name is Jess Perkins, and I'm here, as I am every week, with my best friends, Matt Stewart and Dave Warnocky.

Hello, boys. How are you today? I'm dying. Dave's just been demoted. I'm going pretty well How's he demoted? I called you my best friends Demoted to not the introductory

Go-A Demoted from soulmate to best friends It's really hard to like open up to people And tell them that they're your best friend So that took balls To be honest From me Oh okay

And I just want you both to appreciate that I mean it doesn't have to be reciprocated Yeah I'm still searching for my balls I took them You took my balls I took your balls Happy Peter have them Jess has got

How many balls do they give you You got Dave's two. Mm-hmm. Was that all... Not all I got, yeah. What other balls would I have? Do you know? Hockey balls?

Oh, basketball. Basketball. Probably, to be honest. There's probably a couple around the house. Hey, look. Anyway, sorry. All these balls are very fun to talk about. All these balls.

I'm having a real great ball talk chat with you balls. Here with my balls talking about balls. I'm loving that, but what I would like to talk about is what we did yesterday. Or in the, like, whatever the... Manor Days back is from Wednesday to Saturday. What we did on Saturday? Saturday, yeah. We had a really fun time at the bloody launch.

Yes, we went to the Planet Broadcasting Launch at the very cool Art Deco Riverly Cinema on Saturday. It was absolutely awesome. Such a good day. At a great time. If you haven't heard us talk about it before, we have joined forces form the Avengers of Podcast Networks. called Planet Broadcasting, spearheaded by the guys and wife of the weekly planet.

So that's Mesa James and his wife, Claire. And they organised a fantastic event where all the eight or so podcasts that are being part of this network, it was launched. We had a bit of a panel discussion. Yep. A thing where we tried to sum up our show in 90 seconds. I tried to do a report in 90 seconds. And I didn't finish the report.

Yeah, because it normally takes us hours. Yeah, two hours condensed into 60 seconds plus Matt talking. And they gonged us. We got gonged. Mainly because Matt was speaking at one syllable per 10 seconds. Oh, hang on. As he does. But that's what we love about him.

And we got to meet some listeners, which was really cool. Oh, that was cool. Yeah. Including Matt Nash from Shepardin. Yep. Although Matt decided to not disclose his profession to me until after. and he tweeted a photo and said, little did Jess know, she was getting a photo with an accountant.

And you know what? Before that, I liked that. I was like, this guy's cool. Well, what does that say? Yeah, Jess, give him a go. What does that say? And you know what? We make Kieran in Stratford as well, and he's also, and then he was there on Saturday as well.

He traveled a long way to be there, which I appreciate. He's a really lovely guy. Who else did we meet? I should have written some names then. We met Sof. Yep. Who's cool. You've met her already.

Yeah, Sophie's great. And we met Nick. And Sally. And Tom, Sally, very cool. Had a good golden girl's chat with Sally. Oh, Sally, yes. Which golden girl would you be? Oh, I mean.

And we had the exact same. Back when we were younger, we would have been Dorothy. Sure. But now we feel like we're more Sophia's. Wow. Yeah, it was really weird. I would have thought I'd be one out with that. That's great.

She's all the way on board. Good for you. Good for you for meeting that. You know who else I met? Who? I met the guy, I think his name was Marcus, who, put Y2K in the hat and he's like, oh, thanks for doing my topic back. Ah, awesome.

A few months back. And he goes, he was so excited about, that we read his name out on that episode that he wanted to play it in front of his family, right? So they were, what is that funny? You're a piece of fucking shit, Jess. I'm just laughing because that's sweet. Oh, geez, Louise. Take it back.

We'll take it back. That's early for a piece of, not even a piece of shit, a piece of fucking shit. Oh, sorry. Good heavens. Look, my parents listen to this. I got defensive about that you were laughing at Marcus. I would never laugh at Marcus. So he was sitting around the dinner table with his extended family.

Sorry if you're hearing my voice go up and down. Dave's been super unprofessional at the moment and turning me up and down on the mic, which is going to sound a bit confusing to you because you're like, is there some sort of issue going on with my system? Because you were louder than the sun. You're the one on the dials. Matt, I'm just talking normal levels. Finish your story about Marcus.

So Marcus, it's sitting on the table, extended family. Oh, you fuck. What? You fucking fucks. This was a really nice story. Yeah, and I want to hear it. I want you to just hurry up and hear it. So they were sitting around the family dinner.

Nana was there. Everyone was there, right? And he's going, I'm going to play this for it. And they're like, what a podcast? Why do we care? He's like, just wait a second. I'm going to play this thing. And, you know, you can only skip it 15 seconds at a time.

No. He's trying to get the. He's trying to get to the right thing, but he overshoots and he lands it on a piece of me saying, what a fucking... You're kidding. What are we on to that in front of Nana? One of the very, very few times of that... The three times that that's gone through to the keeper.

Yeah, we normally bleep it and we don't even say it anymore. I would have just bleeped it then. Or we cut it out or we don't say it, yeah. Whatever Matt just bleeped, wasn't bleeped, I assume. Yeah, I don't think it was, it wasn't bleep the first time around. But I will bleep it this time because we don't talk like that anymore. Anymore? Because of this story.

Just the things like this story. Oh no. Marcus, we're sorry that that happened. No, no, no. The guy that said these horrible words also said my name. You had to back it up. Oh, no. Suddenly Nan's got no time for Matt.

Oh, sorry, Nan. Sorry, Nan. But it was a grand day out. Oh, what a go to do. Pan? Pan's another guy I met. Did you meet Pan? Yes, met Pan and a good chat.

Pan was cool. All right, great. I'm definitely forgotten some people. Sorry about that. Phil was great. fill in the great shirt that we said was a Warnocky shirt Photographer Phil. Oh yes.

He was great. He was cool. But with that out the way, our final studio episode for a while because we will be releasing the episodes, the episodes of being recorded live live. So if you are overseas and listening, you think you're going to miss out. Don't worry, you will hear the show,

but possibly we'll be editing out the controversial stuff. But if you see it live, we can't edit it out of your brains. Yeah, it's going to be fun. We won't. I won't. I won't do it. I refuse. Because Contrary,

some Facebook messages, we do edit this show a little bit. A tiny bit. We have learnt to edit. Well, we're learning to it. We're learning. Over to the man, the Matt Stewart. I was going to say Matt the man, Stuart, but who cares? It's all good. Hi, Maddie. I answer to both of those, unless we're in a crowded room and you say that, and I'll assume you're talking to someone else. But yell out, man. I'm assuming you're talking to Vince McMahon or some other man. Anthony, the man, Mundine, the Aussie boxer. also someone else called man. Jane Mansfield.

There we go. Marilyn Manson. Ooh. Oh. I want to just go straight to the people who suggested this topic. Topic. On Twitter. Twitter.

Multiple is a popular one. Also, yesterday a few people, or one person, said, hey, you did my topic. You did my topic one time. I was so excited about it. And he goes, it was the Bermuda Triangle. And I'm like, oh, I'm so sorry. That was the one I was particularly drunk.

Mabodos. And then he said that I forgot to read, I read out some names but not his. I'm like, oh, fuck. I mean, it feels like that episode more than others that I have an excuse. I was a bad person. And also the ideas were lost in the Bermuda Triangle that week. That's right. Here we go.

Dan always saves it. We found the wreckage and there was only three out of ten names there, so we apologize. And I was also drunk from being at a charity luncheon. Yeah, you're a hero. You're a hero. That's right. Oh, okay. You got drunk for charity.

I just remember, it's the only time you've worn a suit to the recording and you were drunk off your heads. How good did he look, though? He looked so sharp. So good. It just couldn't speak. It was so good, though. That was a fun time. I hope that happens again one day.

Anyway, so the... What were you to the live show? Oh, well, that's a good question. I might put that up to the vote. That is a good question. Vote for Matt's on the Patreon. Vote for Matt's outfit to the first of a live show. That's a real good.

Can we have like... Can we do that? That's fun. Can there be a wild car? like a flamingo costume or something. Yes. Oh, you know that's what that. You know that's what they'll vote for.

I'd vote for that. I'll get on and vote for it. So the people who nominated this week's topic, Will White at Willow. At Willow White, 95. It makes sense. There's just an O. Oh, it doesn't matter.

And also Echo at Echo Watkins. You're a mess. So thanks to both of you. I'm very tired. It's been a big week. I know, buddy. Well, let's get through it. Okay, great.

So the question, we always saw the question. We do. This week is, it's almost as like Dave wrote it because it's very confusing as a question. It's the answer to Japan. So this week's topic has had five feature films made about it. So it's quite a big, well-explored topic. Indiana Jones. Narnia, Harry Potter.

I'll give you an extra clue. Yes. A key character from. this story has been portrayed by the five actors he's been portrayed by Wilton Power, which I don't know. I was going to say, if that's a clue, go fuck yourself. Okay, he was from a, that was the first one, that was a silent Australian

move, which has been lost. Lost to the ages. So this is really old? Yes. Australian movie? Also, Errol Flynn in his first on-screen role. Oh, okay. Clark Gable. Oh.

Hollywood legend. Marlon Brando. Marlon Brando. and Mel Gibson. What a fucking line-up, apart from the guy hadn't heard of. Oh, those other four are like...

It's lethal weapon. Yeah, is it lethal weapon? Is it lethal weapon? Riggs. I'm 12 for this shit. Yeah, yeah, it's lethal weapon. Is it... Is it... No, Dave, I got it.

He said it's lethal weapon. Oh, sorry, pardon me. This is all about the lethal weapon ride at Hollywood on the Gold Coast. I was trying to put a joke answer in, but obviously you've already guessed the right one. I mean, sorry that I got there first with the correct answer. No, I get it with your joke.

Go on. Braveheart, William Mullen? Is it brave heart? Is it Robin Hood? No, I'm going to give you one more try, Dave and Jess. Otherwise, we've got to move on, all right? Okay. All right, Jess goes first, because I need more thinking.

Is it? Lethal weapon? No. Interesting. Still not. Interesting. No, it was, but now it isn't. I've changed my mind.

I could tell you the character of my, is a Fletcher Christian. So it's a real person. It doesn't help you at mine or not. I'm afraid I do not know. Have you seen the trip? The trip. Oh, with Steve Coogan. Yeah.

They do, some of their impersonations are about it. I've not seen it. All right, great. Well, it is the Mutiny on the Bounty. Oh, William Blyne. William Bly, yeah. Is that the character? That's the other guy.

Sir Anthony Hopkins played Bly versus across from Mel Gibson's Christian. Oh, what movie do they play? The Bounty. Oh, God, I didn't know the Mel Gibson did a movie about this. You know what I would like? I would like Matt to tell us this story. The HMS bounty was built in 1784 at the Blades Shipyard in Hull, Yorkshire in 1787. No, last time you didn't even pause to let me get in there.

I forget Dave likes it when you do that. I think it's a waste of time. Now he comes out with the truth. I just forget every time. Every time you say it, I'm pleasantly surprised. You know why it is? Because Matt's concentrating so hard on seeing the correct year. Yeah.

He has no time to think about your catchphrase. No, that's fine. And you also just hurried me up moments earlier. So I thought I didn't have to hurry. No, I was just saying like you were asking if there were already questions. I was like, I know nothing to ask questions about. I'd like to hear the story. That's a very good point, Jess.

What year was this again, sorry? Built in 784. That's a good year. And there it is. I do feel good. 13, oh, sorry, fuck. Three years later, it was bought by the Royal Navy for about 2,000 pounds in 1787. That's also a good year.

also a good amount of pounds. Yeah, happy for that. Yeah. It was 91 feet long, which seems pretty long to me, but apparently it's not that long for a ship. How many feet, sorry? 91. It sounds like a lot, right? I have no idea what I have.

Well, okay, they have like 1,000 feet long ships. Yeah, think about like, okay, you go to a sub where you get a foot long sub. Yeah, that's a lot of subs. Get 91 of those. That's a few, but it's like, it's not. Is it true that their subs aren't even a foot long? I believe that is true. They're only 10 inches.

I believe that is true. That's weird. Is that an American foot? No. Are their feet short? They famously have small feet. Very dainty though. Yeah.

The boat was purchased by the Navy to transport breadfruit plants from time. Subway. Eat fresh. There it is. Subway bought it. Have you heard of breadfruit plants? I'd never heard of them. Bread fruit.

Yeah. Bread fruit. Yeah. Wait. Wait. Wait. Why? Do you sign that because it's obvious that I should know it or that?

bread fruit bread fruit it sounds like a made-up sort of thing you sure there wasn't a comma bread fruit and plants oh sorry yep whoopsies bread fruit so they are the seeds loads of bread yeah yeah yep oh that makes complete you put the plant in the oven uh what the whole thing heat it 90 degrees celsius that's not or fahrenheit Is it not? Wait, that's worse. Look, whatever.

So they bought the boat or the ship. I'm going to call it a boat or a ship. It's a ship, it's not a boat, but you know what I mean. Anyway. It's like 91 feet. It's probably a boat, not a ship, you know what I mean? Okay, great. That's fine then.

Okay, so they bought the boat to transport these plants from Tahiti to the colonies in the West Indies. Did you discover what a red fruit plant is? I saw them. Yeah, I don't think it's ever really taken off like they thought it was going to. Their idea was to get it because it was a cheap source of food for slaves. Everything back there is so sad. I wish. I had an ass.

Yeah. The bounty had it. I thought you said I wish I had an ass. And I was like, we all wish you had an ass name. I wish, I wish I had an ass. But then I realized after you'd said, I wish I hadn't asked. But you still stopped to let everyone know. Yeah.

That little. I needed to know. That's a funny little. journey we went on. The bounty had its captain's quarters converted into a greenhouse for the plants. The captain would have been fucking pissed. He just graduated to be a captain. He didn't even get quarters.

He wasn't, I mean, that's blind. I don't think he's even a captain because the boat's not big enough. He's only a lieutenant or a lieutenant. So don't even bother having a captain on board. No, it's just not required. I think he would have been given the title that was required for the size of the boat, I think. Right. So it's like, your car's so small.

You don't need a license for that, man. Well, you don't need a captain's license. You could be a left-in-ne. You don't need a truck driver's license for this small car. So semi-rigid is all you mean. It must have been so pissed off. It's like a line of them. They're giving all their orders.

Thank you, Captain. Captain. Lieutenant. Oh, come on. You only got a 91-foot-bly. You're a pussy bligh. You ain't got shit by. I'm not even giving you a captain's quarters.

You've got a lieutenant's quarters. You know what that means? Greenhouse. You're in the Greenhouse. He did. He still did have, he had his own quarters with like, onsuit and like a pantry. I think I read. Maybe a, um, look, he had a nice spot, but it meant the...

Did they replace his bathroom with a shed? Uh, yes, he had a shed. I'm afraid your bathroom. With a snipper and lawnmower and everything was in there. It was fully stocked. Fully stocked with three bags of fertilizer, a couple of concrete bags that have gone bad so they've actually set as blocks. But because, because this was taken up, he was, you know, moved on a different area.

It just meant that everyone's space was reduced, basically. He didn't cop it so bad, but everyone else, you know, was a little bit more on top of each other, you know, all the officers and the rest of the crew. On top of each other? In a way. Sounds like a bloody party ship. Yeah. Sounds like they've been smoke in the greenhouse.

At times, it's a bit of a party ship, but that's later on. Oh. So left, do we... They hit international waters. Anything goes. You say Lut. Well, it's lieutenant, right, in England and Australia, and lieutenant in America, is that right? I don't know what Australia is. I think England is lieutenant.

We steal most of their things. Yeah, I'm going to say lieutenant, but I just need you guys to know. That you know. That I know that I'm not sure. Okay. Okay, great. Left tenant, William Bly, was chosen to lead the expedition. Man, you just talked about before.

Sir Anthony Hopkins portrayed him in the bounty. Great. Blah was born in Plymouth in 1755. A good year. His previous experience included being Captain Cook's chief navigator on his final voyage when Bligh was only 21. You know, you guys know Captain Cook? I want to recognize the name William Bligh, and I didn't know where from. That would make sense.

Yeah, well, this is also, this probably is his most famous story, but yeah, he had some cred from previous. So he would have watched Captain Cook. He was right up there with Captain Cook. Yeah, he was in and about him. Yeah, but was he there when Captain Cook was murdered? Well, that was his last expedition Final trip No, I think he might have gone on one more

After the murder But His second final trip It was called weekend at cookies For some reason They're going to pretend that the captain's still alive Well, I'll stab it bam I want you all to give you money

To lieutenant ply Well, we better do with the captain's orders I don't want to take your money, boys, but I mean, I'm, you know, captain's orders. I don't want to bloody walk the plank. Yeah. You know what he's like. Yeah, you know how it could be. He's the bad cop.

I'm the good guy. Pay the good guy. After the American War of Independence in 783, the British, oh, okay, the British Navy was reduced. There's too many years to do it every time. Yeah, I'm not going to do every time. So I love it. Your name checking historical events is amazed. Left, right and center here.

Oh, yeah, that's right. So the British Navy was reduced in size of that point. There was a lot less to do for naval type guys, like Bly. And a couple of years later, so he had all this downtime, and he was on half pay just on the land. He's not a land lover, you know. He's a boatsman. He loves the high seas.

So he wasn't loving it. He loves to kiss the fish. Yeah, big kiss. Throw him back. He's awesome. He loves to kiss the fish. Where Rex hunt got it from. He loves it.

What do you love to do, Will? I love to kiss the fish. I love him. A couple of years. later, after a period of downtime Bligh, was appointed as the captain of the Britannia. Oh, he did get to be a captain. Sorry. Yeah, but that was a privately owned

boat. So he just bought his own title. Well, he didn't buy, I mean, he was given that role. On the Britannia. It's a different thing, the Britannia. And it was... Great. Yeah, it wasn't a military role. Because it was just a merchant ship.

Right, so it's like getting a golf cart and saying, I'm the captain of this. I'm the captain of this golf cart. It was a big old boat. the captain of my car. It was a... Shot gun captain right now. Yes. When my girlfriend moved in to my place,

she said, when you're out, I'll be second in charge. Who's she putting in charge? You got a pet or something? No, it's just us. She just doesn't want to be... She doesn't want the responsibility. So when you're at home, she's third in charge? I assume.

Or is when you're at home, she's first, and she's... Did you have a good laugh about that at the time? Actually, no, we weren't talking about if I ever bought a house, she doesn't want the economical risk of like going in on the loan, but she would want to be second in charge when I wasn't there. I was like, no, what? Do we tell the banks is second in charge when I'm there?

The dishwasher. Please don't put her on the lease, on the loan, but just know, just note down some if you can, that if I'm out, she's second in charge. I wanted to draw up a contract saying that she was the second in charge. That's adorable. Like the junior vice president of our house. I'm just wondering who you'd have in charge.

Maybe the fridge. Yeah. The fridge is the most trustworthy. I don't trust my fridge at all. But it never turns out. Friges can be on for 25 years and not go off. Yeah, but mine's like, it's like there's an issue with the seal or something. And sometimes I don't think it's closed properly and it really annoys me.

You can't put the seal in charge. No, the seal can't be in charge. Can't be trusted with the seal. It keeps kissing him It loves the fish I love to kiss the fish It's such a weird thing for you to say Is that a thing that people say?

I've never, never heard it But I've coined it He loves to kiss the fish What does that mean And Captain Cook's like Hey guys I want you guys Everybody give a fish To will be like a kiss

He loves it Oh God I guess We better do what he says Better give me fish everyone And we'll all We walk in the plank So on the Britannia he was getting paid well

But it wasn't really what he wanted to do He wanted to be out there working for the Navy So after a couple of years working on the Britannia He took a job on the bounty As the lieutenant And It was a much more prestigious job But the pay was a big drop

It was less than 20% Whoa That's interesting Which is a crazy pay cut to take But obviously that just shows how much he wanted it to kiss the fish. And is it true that... Well, I mean, the Britannia...

Britannia. Had fish, too. So, you know, because it's more than just the fish for him and the kisses. Is it true that the... There's nothing more to me than kisses. Fishy kisses. I love a fishy kisses. Is it true that English ships get their names from whatever your favorite book is

or your favorite chocolate bar? Yeah. So if you like to read the encyclopedia, Britannia... Close enough. Bratania. Or do you like to like... to read the eat the bounty

chocolate bar or if you like to eat the Britannia chocolate bar or read the bounty which is a book about this story but

Lieutenant it says how it ends I don't want to know I don't want to know the plan for the bounty's journey was to sail the Pacific

via Cape Horn pick up the breadfruit plants from Tahiti Cape Horn go west across the Indian Atlantic

oceans onto the West Indies. Completing this journey would have the bounty circumnavigating the earth. That's a big trip, guys. All the way around. All the way from Cape Horn, baby. All right.

Get on at the horn. Get on at the horn. Get off at the horn. There it is. There it is. He did it. I like it. Many of Blyers' crew on the bounty were personally selected by him.

Men who he had worked with on the Captain Cook voyage and kiss with the fish. Personally. Kiss me, then the fish. I'll tell you who's better. That will be how you are ranked on this ship. Some of them with Captain Cook and some of them he knew from his time on the Britannia. Thank you. His crew included Fletcher Christian, a 23-year-old man from wealthy family from North West England.

Although Christian's upbringing was comfortable in terms of money, he did do it rough as well. His father died when he was only four years old, Christian. That is it not the dad. He died it for, but he was very prolific in the bedroom. And by his teens... He spread his seed far and wine. Okay. The father was the bread winner, so speak, the breadfruit winner.

And he, after he died, the family went bankrupt in Christian's teens. And so he had been wealthy, then they'd lost it all when the dad was gone. Yeah. I mean, it seems like for such a well-documented thing, even all the characters in this have, like, different, there's real varied stories about them all. So I'm just going off. the ones that I read the most of. In this case, funnily enough,

I know I always give you shit about Wikipedia, but Wikipedia was, seemed pretty good. There you go. There you go. A little shout out to Wikipedia. If I had a name my ship after what I read, I'd call it the Wikipedia.

So, but, so he started getting into sailing. That was a way, he wasn't, I think he wasn't able to afford university because, whereas his older siblings could. So the money ran out that quick. Yeah, well, ran out over 10 years, I mean, so his parents, you know, there was enough money

to get the, some of his siblings through university, but not all of them. So he started going on on the boats. He saw that as a way of making a, you know, a nice career. And he was out with Bligh to the West Indies a couple of times on the Britannia. Britannia. And in that time, under Bly, he learned how to become a skilled navigator. Oh, he'd be handy on road trips, wouldn't he? Oh, very.

Hand him the map? I reckon he could get around a sat nav, I reckon. I remember that brief time sat navs were a thing? Remember the time before sat navs? Melways. Melways. There's still Melways in my car. I mean, it's obviously completely outdated.

Melways, of course, standing for Melbourne ways. It's the Melbourne-specific map. Yeah. Yeah, it's a book of... Yeah. But I've still got one of my car as well from 2007. My dad gave it to me for my, I think, 17th birthday. Yeah, I got mine when I got my first car.

So mine would be a 2008 or 2009. God. How good. I've had a few friends laugh at that, laugh at the map. But one day, I reckon it's going to save me. I agree. The crew were quite young on the bounty. Most were under 30 years old.

There was a couple that were sort of late 30s, but there were also a couple of teenagers, were 15 year olds. Bly was 33 at the beginning of course. Imagine being that old. But obviously, relatively young for the guy and charge of the boat. Death. Death awaits.

It's so near. Imagine death being that near. It's pretty near. I imagine in the 1780s it is pretty near at 33. But even now at 33, you'd just be, you'd think you'd just sort of sit and wait for death. Yeah, Matt, how old are you again? I could see a lot. Yeah, go towards it, mate.

After frustrating delays due to the weather and awaiting orders, they set off in late 1787 for Tahiti to pick up those mother-flippin' breadfruit plants. I'm sick of these mother-flipping breadfruit plants on this mother-flipping ship. The dodgy weather and delayed start to the journey made the success of the planned route via Cape Horn less likely. So Bly, thinking ahead, he's like, he asks his superiors,

hey, if it doesn't go well, can I go around the Cape Horn? Cape of Good Hope instead, which is obviously a much more hopeful sounding name. It's got hope in it. I like that. And they said he could, if need be. Bly was a strict disciplinarian, possibly learnt serving under Captain James Cook, going to mention just before. But early in the trip, he reported no need to enforce any of that discipline,

and he wrote, both men and officers tractable and well-disposed, and cheerfulness and content in the countenance of ever. Everyone. Language was so weird back then. I have no idea what that meant. Everyone else was just saying. That's new language for you. I took out the A. We're expediency. What is it men's? What is that men's?

And it sounds like they should have been happy because he replaced a traditional Navy system of four hours on, four hours off duty into four hours on and eight hours off. Okay, that sounds like they're going to be, they get to the final set of four hours and there's no one left. Hang on. Uh-oh. The poop deck is very empty Everyone's in their hammocks No one's swabbing it This has gone horribly wrong

I'm back to the green room Well I was keen to keep the crew happy And there was no real trouble early on Apart from finding out that the ship's surgeon Thomas Huggin Was a drunk And a bit of an all round loose unit He was just amputating things

That didn't need to be amputated Come here, I want your toe There is it All right, so you're the surgeon There's nothing too important in the story about this guy But I just found that's an unfortunate guy to be a drunk I know, that's the surgeon That's a guy you want with a steady hand

And a sober heart and mind Blind Fletcher Christian's relationship continued to be warm With Bligh really taking Christian under his wing They sort of had a bit of a father-son relationship A bit of a mentor-mentee thing going on So, sorry, one's 33, one's in their 24 23. Interesting.

Yeah. Imagine. Father son, yeah, there's a young dad. He was only 10 at the time, obviously, Blanche. Fletcher's, whatever he's now. His dad was only four. But he had very strong swimmers. Oh, yeah.

They wouldn't stop swimming. Wow. So, and I watched a little docker about it, and they were mentioning how also Bligh only had daughters. So he wanted a son to show the ropes. It sounds a bit like he chose, though. Christian. I only have daughters.

Oh, you have a son? I only have daughters. I only have a Porsche and I only have daughters. Oh. And he, yeah, so there was sort of, the way that guy was saying it, who was a distant relation of Fletcher. He's like, you know, it was a perfect matching of a man who wanted to have a son and a boy who didn't have a dad.

I love when people find out that they're related distantly to a, like a famous person. It was like a direct descendant. Like, yeah, I think he had a Christian. It was his surname. Then they always talk about them like they know them. It's like, that person died 250 years ago. Exactly, you don't know.

You don't know them at all. You're making an assumption. And it could be true, but they could have also just been mates. It could have a long. The thing about, I went into a French accent then. That was unfortunate. Is that what that was? Yeah, so the, uh, this,

The thing about Bourbonne William Bligh is he is my 12th uncle third division champion of

the snooker and of course I also played snooker in primary school so you could see the direct lineage I've gone into a bit of Russian now because

It's my 12th uncle Third division My family travel a lot And many times I've thought I should give it up But, no. It was solder on for my uncle. My 12th uncle.

Crush the car, Dave. Oh, man. I've been dead for four minutes. So their relationship was quite warm. Oh. And on March the 2nd, 1788, Blyne promoted Christian to the rank of acting. On the 12th, 1788, he proposed marriage.

I mean, you only have to wait till the end of the word to find out that wasn't the case. Oh. Shot's fired. I'm just trying to have a bit of fun, mate. Matt's just trying to destroy people left right and sitting here. Yeah, go on. What happened then on the second of March? Don't care.

Well, for those at home, he promoted Christian to the rank of acting lieutenant, which meant that ranking-wise he became the second in command. Second in charge when he was away. Which knocked John Frye one place down the chain of command. John's going to, I don't know the story here, but the mutiny is going to be that. That is bullshit. You can't, that's like favouritism for your fake son. Yeah, it would have been annoying,

but apparently Fryer didn't show any outward signs at the time that he was annoyed by it. You're going to talk about your feelings, man. It did end, it did lead to worsening relationships between Fryer and Bly. Around a week after the promotion, unrelated, but around a week after that, the first bit of trouble within the crew flared up. I'm not sure it's unrelated. Resulting in Bly ordering the flogging. of Matthew Quintel, he was an able seaman in his early 20s, he was punished for insolence

and mutinous behaviour, receiving 12 lashes. Pretty classic Matthew behaviour, don't you think? Totally. 12 lashes, is that a bad punishment? What's that? Is that a lot? Yeah, I think that sends a lot. It's being hit, but having the shit hit out of you.

Yeah, you're going to get hit. Do you want it to be 12 times? No, I just wanted if 12 was like low and, and, you know, it's like, low and, and, you're And it could be 50, you know? Let me ask you, Jess, would you prefer 12? Would you prefer 50 because it's quite a round number? In that situation. But at 12 is a dozen.

Do you see that as a round number in itself? 12 doesn't bother me as much. 12 inches is a foot. Not at subway though. Interesting question there, Dave. I think in that circumstance, I would be able to bend the rules and accept 12 because 50 would probably kill me. Right.

Well, that just sounds. You've chosen life over round numbers. Yeah. Yeah, I've got... You've got to have the courage of your convictions is what I think. I would take 50. And I'll ask you double it. You don't even have a thing about round numbers.

Yeah, it's not even your issue. No, but I do it just to prove just wrong. Because that's how stubborn I am. Okay. That's real stubborn. Anyway, rest in peace. Get out to lash. In April, the ship sailed towards Cape Horn,

which is like down south of South America. Yeah, it is. But some of the most full-on weather blight ever experienced, hit them there. They had some bad weather in Cape Horn did they? What kind of weather? It was very horny. Yeah, baby.

So some of the most long weather hit him. They were trying to get around. So they're trying to get up and around or down and around the horn. Down around the horn. Man, there's so many times I've been trying to navigate the horn. Trying to get down. Then I'm around.

Suddenly I'm upside down. The horn. And no one's had a good time. No one. So they time after time they're pushing pushing to get down, pushing to go south and around the horn. And they... I did not...

I did not foresee this being an issue. Really? It was getting a little windy down below, was it? Garth. You shouldn't have a curry. It's not good day food. Not good Dave food. Oh, date food.

Date food. It's date night and you having a curry, oh no, a big mistake. All right, day. We're talking about a ship here. We're talking about a... boat here, it's only 91 feet long and that is pretty small around there

on the arm's lane 91 feet my god I've seen bigger boats yeah yeah it's amazing how over time they've improved so they're actually trying to go south and around and they time and time again they were getting pushed back by the weather

at one point two weeks after they were trying they were further north than when they started oh my god because of the wind Because of the wind. Impossible. Because of Dave's curry, I guess, somehow. Somehow. I repeat, know what I'm saying. No, I don't know what you're saying.

So they were trying for weeks, but to the delight of the Nackard crew, B, I decided to go with Plan B, and they sailed for Cape of Good Hope, which is south of South Africa. That's like, it's a long way. Yeah, go on. So they added a lot of miles to the journey. so that's why they wanted to go around the horn I just can't even imagine it's like

tens of thousands of miles to the journey it's just going all right we'll go the other way around although I mean they were still coming around it wasn't just on the other side of the horn of the Cape Horn but they're trying to go up obviously South America's closer to the Caribbean

where they're trying to get there than Africa because they've got to go past Asia or Australia yes which is what they do that's how we get involved very briefly when they stop Anyway. Sizzle? No, it's not sizzle.

I just, I'll breeze pass that later. Sizzle. Sizzle it, Matt. I guess, but this other route was less challenging, I suppose. By May 1788, they had arrived at the south end of Africa at False Bay. Or did they? Where they set up camp for a month or so to repair things that needed to be repaired and pick up some food and drink from the shops.

And after which they moved on to Truth Bay. Which is a lie. Yes, they did. While at False Bay, Bly lent Christian some cash. Uh-oh. Some think that this was the cause of some tension between the two. Casino. What are they spending?

Obviously, they've stopped so they can buy things. Yeah, they were there for a couple months. So, you know, it was a nice gesture on Bly's part, but apparently Blyer didn't let, sort of, didn't miss chances to bring it up. So it became a bit of a... Not one of those. Hey, hey, yeah, you're having a good day? Yeah.

Oh, do you buy that little shark-tooth necklace you got there? That's pretty cool. Yeah? Where'd you get the money for that? Oh, for me. Oh, that's interesting. You're welcome. That's cool.

No, no, no, no, no problem at all. Cool shark-tooth necklace. Shucka, bro. From Falls Bay, loaded up with goodies from the supermarket, the bounty forged on with its journey. They got Pringles. They got a Gatorade They got some bananas

Low G-I, potassium That's good Energy, you won't crash Energy, musly bars They're good for the pocket Yeah, and again, like low G-I Just a good snack Good snack

Totally They got some fish They kissed them But who paid for that fish Oh no Oh, that's right Me I paid for your meal

I can see how that would great on you But it was a sweet harmony Is it a harmony if one person does it? It is the way Dave does it. A one-man orchestra. I don't know how you do it. He's a beautiful angel. He's a songbird of our generation.

I've been called worse. Worse than the songbird of your generation? Hard to believe, I know. Hard to believe. I was once called the songbird of my year of birth, which is much worse than a generation. It's true. That is a good point. So their next stop was Adventure Bay in Tasmania.

Oh, fuck yeah. Adventure Bay. Oh, that's much better than Australia. They got trampolines. They got mini golf. They got rock climbing. Now you can start using Blas money to great effect. That's so good. Kayaking. Oh, they've got a Ripplies believe it or not.

They've got a Rippleys Blueprinton. Bunggy jumping. They've got a high rope course. They've got the Snooker Hall where my 12. the uncle learnt to be one of those sex swings. And a flying fox. A lot of stuff. But you can actually, for a little bit extra, you can ride the flying fox into the sex swing.

Yeah. Which they call the cape of horn. It's not a, is that? Cape horn? Cape horn. Well, it's a little different. It's a trademark. It's a trademark.

Cape of horn. And you have to wear a cape. Which honestly, I prefer Cape of Horn. Yeah. It's more to the point. It is. Even though it's. It's more.

Small words, somehow. Is he borrowing money just to get t-shirts at all these destinations? So when he goes home to his wife, he's like, check out where I was, baby. Tea towels. Adventure Bay, established 1787. That sounds fun. Let's go to Adventure Bay.

All right. First live show, Adventure Bay, Tasmania. Dan and Tazzy, where Dan Hart first bugged me about you doing a Simpsons episode. Oh, he must be very happy. And we never even mentioned him on the episode because it was a golden hat one. Good job, Dan Hart. You did it. Sorry, sorry that you had to wait halfway through the next episode to hear it.

Well, in a lot of ways he didn't do it because he, the pressure on Dave to do Dan's topic was building, built up. Building. Over a year and it was only when... But what do you mend by that? It's only when the golden hat struck. That's right, but thank you. You couldn't give a shit about Dan Hart's suggestions, obviously. He's the Dan Heart of the podcast.

I've said that many times. Love your Dan Hart. Do you say he's the, oh, the, I get it. That took me a sec and I'm embarrassed. I had to ask the question. So this leg of the journey took around seven weeks. To go from Africa to Tasmania, you mean? Yep.

Oh, that's a pretty good time. They hung out in Adventure Bay fishing. Kissing them. Collecting water and timber. Kissing them. Chilling out for a bit. Kissing the timber. Recuperating.

Kissing the recuperation. Et cetera. There was a little bit of tension building with Bly having to assert. Sexual tension. Sexual tension. Yeah. A little bit of tension. building in Blar's pants and

The cape of horn was in his pants, am I right? He could go a jolly rogering sometime. That's like a boating thing. Dave, am I wrong? That's true, the pirate flag. The skull and crossbones is often called the jolly roger. Oh yeah. Thank you very much.

Well done. But if you see one, run into the ocean and swim home. Turn your GPS on and follow the direction. So yeah, there was a little bit of tension building up And Bligh had to assert his authority over his offices When they were There was increasing discontent

In one instance, Bligh withdrew rations from the ship's carpenter For refusing to follow orders What kind of orders must hear of refuse? So the way I read it was that He was like, you're cutting the wood wrong And the car was like, just let me fucking cut the wood How I want to go? And he's like, you're doing it wrong.

And he's like, no, I'm not. And he's like, do it my way. And he's like, no. And he goes, go to the back to the ship. And they go, I'm not going back to the ship. I'm a carpenter. And he goes, all right, I'll cut the wood down with your fucking one. Is that how?

Is that verbatim? That's interesting. Can I remind you that the insolent one on Shackleton's expedition, McNish, was also the carpenter on board. There's an issue with carpenters. I can trust him. Oh, that's so funny. And I imagine that this carpenter is also going to miss out on the polar medal.

Yeah, I agree. I think you're right. Maybe because they didn't go to Antarctica. Yeah, that's probably why, but also because of this wood cutting nonsense. Nonsense. That's funny. They're away there. The carpenters. Yeah, Jesus. He was a bit of an upstart. And he was just the start of it.

Then we had this guy, name withheld, and also the Shackard and Man. There were more examples of tension as the bounty sailed the final. leg of the outbound journey to Tahiti, but probably no more than you would expect on such a voyage, you know? I don't think at this stage, I reckon lots of voyages have these little bits and pieces of action. Yeah, okay, right. Put a group of people together in a, you know, kind of stressful situation. There's going to be tension.

On a 91 footer, it's not very big. It's not very big. It's approximately 91 foot long subs. She's approximately. She's talking over me a lot, Jess. I don't know if you ever noticed that. They did lose an able seaman named James Valentine due to incompetence. on the part of the drunken surgeon Huggin.

Oh no, what happened to him? Cut his heart out. Yeah. Just whoops. You've got a headache? I know, but it will help. Oh dear. It's not far off.

But at the same time, I think back then this was some sort of normal practice, but Valentine was suffering from asthma. And its treatment, Huggin used bloodletting. Oh, no. But he cooked it, and Valentine ended up dying from a blood infection. Shit. But in fairness, bloodletting is bullshit anyway. Yeah.

He covered it up. He didn't want them to know that he fucked it. So he told him that he died of scurvy. And then everyone had to get treated for scurvy, even though it wasn't a thing. Oh, no. Hey, Matt, I'm really sorry that I jumped in there when I said bloodletting. I was just excited because I thought I knew the answer. And it turns out I did.

It was great. At the same time, it didn't warrant. jumping over you like that and I'm really sorry. Hey, look, I don't mind, I don't mind a bit of jumping. I think when you do the report, that's just how it goes. I was just doing it because you often pick on me for that, but you probably do it to me more than I do it to you. And I just wanted you to be aware of that.

Yeah, and with a direct example there. Absolutely. So just so we're all on the same page. And I want to apologize and I will definitely. Hey, look, I want to apologize. Be a lot more mindful of that. Please don't be. Now what would be the sort of get rid of this tension here is if you both let out some

blood. Good call. Together. I've got a real blood tension building up in my veins. I've got too much blood in me. What's wrong with you? Too much blood. Oh yeah.

Put it in this bucket. You'll feel better. Oh yeah. I'll touch a dirty thing with your wound. Oh no. Rub your wound in that bucket of rusty nails. Okay, you're the doctor. All right.

Doctor's orders. You've had 15 vodkas this morning. All right. All right. The bounty arrived at Mative Bay Tahiti on October 26th, 1788. On arrival, Bly sought the cooperation of the local leaders. Chief Tyner remembered Bly from a previous Captain Cook voyage.

So the meeting was worn between the two men. And Bly was able to organise a trade for the breadfruit plants. It was all very nice and easy. Oh, great. He gave some stuff, got the bread plants in return. They gave him hearts blood. They were happily to receive it. And his body. Take him.

Oh yeah, he dead. Did I say that? Yeah, I would have. Yeah, he died. The bounty dropped its anchor and the crew got ready for a lengthy stay in order to ready the plans for the trip to the West Indies. During the stay, the crew had a real fun time. The work was pretty easy, and many of the men met local women

and a lot of boning happened. Some settled down into relationships and others just boned around. Wow. Boned around, did they? Yeah. Do you think in those households, are the Navy boys, the first in charge or do you think their partners are a second in charge? No, I think that the Navy people are second in charge because they are guests of the Tahitian people.

But only when their partners are out. Yeah, that's right. When they leave, they become first in charge. Interesting. Fletcher Christian fell for a Tahitian woman named Mao Tewa. And this is, I'm going to play out what happened next in my mind. it out? Do you say in your mind?

In my mind, I'm going to do it very quietly. No, all right, no, I'm going to do it out loud. Thank you. So this is sort of how it went. Let's see if you guys think this is good or fucked. I'm falling for you, Mawatu, but we've got to do something about this name. It's a bloody mouthful. I'm going to shorten it to Isabella.

So he changed her name to Isabella. Like, you know how fucked? Back then, the colonialist. I'm still just like, all right, I'm going to come here and change this city name. No, no, it's not that anymore. It's this. But doing it to a human right in front of them. And it's nothing even like a pet name.

It's not like Michelle or something. It sounds even similar to it. Surely, if you're going to, anyway, if it what, and do you know where he got the name from? It's the name of an old girlfriend. Oh, that's brutal. If I may, sorry, just to jump in as a woman. I don't really understand where you're coming from here. Because my name is Jess now.

Right. But once I find a man, I guess I'll be whatever he names me. But on the flip side, I will be first in charge at home. Oh. Oh, that's the trade-off you've made. That's a trade-off. So I'd be whatever name he chooses. Jess is a mouthful.

Yeah. Jess. Jess. Yuck. Does he go be like this? Hi, I'm Dave. What's your name? What do you want to call me?

Whatever you want it to be, baby. That's how I would say it personally, but that's because I am just charming. So it sounds like he's just a bit of a role player. He just wants to bring back his old girlfriend. Yeah. Yeah. Which for Maltaura is a bit fucked up.

Yeah. Blike kept his digging his pants. I'm kidding, by the way. But was... Did you say, sorry, I don't need to hear Jess's thing, then I need to hear Matt's thing, too. I said, I'm kidding, by the way. I just wanted to be very clear.

I think you said, I'm keen, by the way. Keen for... Changing your name to whatever people are? No, I'm definitely not. My name's Jess. And Matt? What did Bly do? Black kept his dick in his pants

but was okay with his cruise activities saying the allurements of dissipation are beyond anything that can be conceived. I think he's saying Call on whatever you want. He's just saying, look, I mean, there are women here

and there aren't any on the boat. Go get him. The allurements of dissipation are beyond anything that can be conceived. I think he's saying it's just, Believe it. It's just hard to control yourself. Okay.

But he managed to control himself. Yeah, I think he was married back home. Oh, good boy. As some of the others were as well, I think. Oh, bad boys. While he was cool with the boning, he still expected them to satisfactorily complete their duties. On this score, he was increasingly disappointed, feeling that his men were becoming slacker. Mm-hmm.

It was starting to really piss him off. Hey, but not on my time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Don't you dare be bad at my arm? Bone on your own. But when you're on the ship,

that's a no bone zone. That's a no bone zone. The greenhouse is a known bone zone. Yeah. You just said known bones zone. That's the opposite. So if you want to come on him, the greenhouse is a known bone zone.

Yeah, but we don't want it to be anymore. Stop it. Only come alone to the no bone zone. Oh, but come alone to the known bone zone with even cooler. So many rhymes. I'm so confused. Many of his officers cop disciplinary action, and Fletcher Christian was no different.

Uh-oh's. His boy. Floggings were happening more regularly, not in the bone zone. It's a different kind of flogging. Oh, sorry. Is that a universal thing? Flogging?

No, is that even anything? No, I don't know. It is. Is it? Flogging. I don't know. You flog the something, don't you? Yeah, flog your vlog.

Well, that doesn't sound right. Tension was building in the room. Let out the blood. I got a blood. That seems worse. That's no good. So floggings were happening more regularly after barely happening at all on the journey out there. There was only a couple of instances.

Six weeks into the Tahitian stay, Hug and died of booze-related ailments. Is this the... He was the boozy boy. Oh, that's no good. After cop and a floggin, crewman William Musk Pratt, along with John Millwood and Charles Churchill, deserted, taking a boat as well as guns and ammo. They got away, but were found three weeks later, and as punishment for their desertion were flogged. Oh. So he fleed a floggin and he got...

So they were... Flogged? Flogged in return, on return. God doesn't sound like that bigger punishment, is it? He's dishing him out all over the shit. mate we'll give you a flogging no but like you're you're you're running to escape a flogging it should be at least a double flogging so if you think though if they were out running they're running away from a death penalty for example what do you think the appropriate penalty

should then be well i'll kill you and then i'll flog you interesting i reckon it's tricky though because he also wants them to help help yeah so you and a flogging is probably already not great for their ability to plant plants. Work continued with over a thousand breadfruit plants, potted and ready for the journey. Still not sure what breadfruit is. I think it's some, let's call it some sort of a wheat thing. It's just like you grow seeds and you can eat them.

I'm looking it up. With many of the crew finding life on the island being idyllic, apart from obviously the flogging, it was hard to swallow that they were having to reboard the ship and leave it all behind. I mean, I can see that, but I mean, they signed up. At the end of a holiday, it is hard, but you've got the ticket back. You've got to use it.

And in early April 1789, the bounty set sail again. So everyone got on board? Everyone got on board. If I can jump in. Yes. Breadfruit. Like, this is what it looks like. It looks like lemons.

It looks like a fruit. Lemons that have like crab, herpes. Ooh. And it's a... I can see why it's so valuable. A species of flowering tree in the mulberry and jackfruit family. So it's not, it's got nothing to do with bread. But it does have something to do with fruit.

There we go. That's the Bay of Truth versus the Bay of False. I wonder why they were so into breadfruit. And the Bay of Adventure. Yeah, eating one of those would be an adventure. Very interesting. There you go. Despite the crew's disappointment in having to leave, I'm glad to clear that up because

what I said was wrong. It's not, yeah, it's not wheat or... I think I just, I jump to that conclusion. Fair enough. Look, you're only human. Thanks, Chair. Despite the crew's disappointment in having to leave, prominent historians say that they were not yet considering mutiny.

Is this the distant relatives, I imagine? Yeah. Commenting on people that died 400 years ago. Relatives, yeah. I think they're going off books and stuff. People keep journals back then. I wish I did. Back then, yeah.

Yeah, we wish you did too. I imagine all the things I could remember that I did. did. Floggin, boning, potting. Et cetera. Imagine the three activities. The main big ones, yeah. Over the following weeks after setting sail from Tahiti,

boy, became more brutal with his treatment of the crew, and some say he was also becoming a little more paranoid. Two or three weeks after leaving Tahiti, they arrived in Namuka, in what is now known as Tonga. Tonga. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Taking a different turn, humming instead of singing. Oh, good. A nice touch.

It's a new chapter. These were the humming ears. Never look back, she said. Never look back. Bly gave Christian the difficult task of going ashore to get supplies from the locals. But they were a little bit hostile to him. He came back empty-handed and Bligh called him a damn cowardly. cowardly rascal.

Oh, you rascal. Oh. You rascal. Yeah, rascal softens it a bit. Rascal's cute. Damn cowardly rascal. Then he ruffled his hair. Yeah, and then he gave him a treat.

During this time, when they were anchored there, an anchor, I guess not the main anchor, was also stolen from the ship, thought to be by the locals, resulting in Blybraid berating Christian further. Bligh also accused Christian of stealing coconuts, then punish the entire crew for it. Wow. Right. He did it. Now you all get flogged.

Yeah. It sounds like he's enjoying flogging. Yeah. Yeah, he's starting to get a taste for it. Is he the flogmaster? Does he do the flogging? Nah, he doesn't do the flogging. But what about the person who does the flogging?

Imagine if there's one guy. What if there's one guy who's just, his main role is to flog? They'd all hate him. But then he gets in trouble. He's got to flog himself. I reckon, don't worry, Larry. We know you're just doing your job. Do you reckon?

I reckon. That's nice. Nothing personal, mister. Because you know what happens if Larry doesn't flog? He just has to have the day off. He can't have that. He loves to work. He loves it.

He doesn't love to flog, but he loves to work. And flogging is working, so it's a confusing dichotomy. Yeah, he struggles. The tough treatment was starting to get to Christian. Christian. He was considering doing a runner. Uh-uh. Well, not a runner.

Because obviously you need to get in a boat. More of a floater. Oh. He's going to do a floater. He's going to do a floater. That doesn't quite work. But when some other members of the crew found out his intentions, they convinced him to stay as he would have the overwhelming support of the crew

to take control of the ship from Bly. Is someone reading his diary and he's written, I'm thinking of doing a floater? And so on was like, I read what you wrote. I think you're a very brave boy, but you have to stay. And he's like, Collins, we've been through this. Stop reading my diary. Stop it.

I hit it under my pillow. I didn't think you'd look there. One of these guys who was trying to tell him that he would have support if he looked to mutiny was a man named George Stewart, my bloody great, great, great, great grandfather. That's why I know exactly what he was thinking about. You would know what he felt. He felt. I knew what he felt.

Yeah, I knew what he felt. He felt real good. He felt empowered. He felt emboldened. And he felt like, you know, if finally he could get Christian on side. He actually He apparently told Christian that the rest of the crew were ripe for anything

Ripe like the breadfruit Yeah Christian spoke to men including Matthew Quintel One of the first men a couple flogging Edward Young and Isaac Martin And they gave him the confidence that he had the support of the men After thinking hard on it He had a long night, sleepless night

Thinking about it Early the next morning on April the 28th 1789 he decided it was go time. Oh my God. So this is now the meeting. Today's the day. Yeah, yeah.

It happens quite quickly. It's surprising. It sounds like it's quite easy. Christian quickly gain control of the top deck with the help of his fellow mutineers. Then he went down to Blyers cabin. He took out a few people on the way. Not taking him out. It wasn't killing anyone.

Just like, hey, shh. If you're against me, then just shush up, please. No, fuck. No talking. Is this a mutiny? Oh, no. Ch-ch-ch-ch-ch. They're hitting the silent panic button underneath the desk.

Yeah. But it sounded, it read like it was quite an easy thing. He went up in, it went into Bly's room. Bly got a pretty upset. They're like, don't talk. Otherwise, you know, there's trouble. And he's gone, help, help, whatever. Come, I'm getting mutiny.

Come and get me. Help me out. Sort of thing. And they tied him up and then they marched him out of there. I'm getting mutinied. It would feel like I guess he didn't see it coming right because he thought he was a disciplinary father figure. Yeah. Disciplinary and father figure.

And it's just like this is what you do to the boys. You wouldn't expect your boy to then come and say, now I'm the dad. Yeah. The boys love a floggin. Don't you? Oh, I never knew. You should have just communicated with me openly. It's too late, dad.

That's as he goes off the plank. Splash. There was a, there was a, there was a lot of commotion with the mutineers and the loyalists all making a lot of noise. Loyalists are obviously the non-mutaners, the ones who were sticking with. Mutineers would be a cool band name. Oh yeah. It's got to already be one, I reckon. I think you have loomeneers.

Yeah, I was thinking loominy as well. They cool. They're pretty cool. All right. The loyalists, less cool. Not bad, though. There's something uncool about being loyal. Yeah.

Muteeners though, cool. Bad boys. So they're all making a lot of noise. Christian told one of the senior loyalists named Fryer. Fryer tuck. Fryer tuck, yes. So you keep saying you don't know this story, but he said to Fryer that he'd been in hell for weeks past. Captain Bly has brought this on himself.

Apparently that's what he said. Christian thought he'd be able to set the loyalists adrift on the ship's smaller boat But he was caught a bit off guard by how many men actually wanted to leave with bligh He thought he had the majority but in the end he didn't actually have the majority So why aren't they just going actually where the majority? They did call the jump on him they had guns they went got the guns and they sort of Okay, they're armed Yeah

They and he was you know Basically taking people out while they were sleeping So not taking them out but But shushing them Shushing him while they were sleeping. I was to sleep. I was making no noise. Now I'm awake.

I can make a lot more noise awake. Shish. Oh. Sorry. Shushed like he meant it that time. Like he manted. Better do what he says. I bet a shush.

Yeah. So, yeah, more than half the men on board wanted to leave over 20 men. So he ended up having to use the ship's largest boat. And even that became overcrowded. So not the main boat, but the... The ships. Yeah, the ships. Fine, we'll set you a drift on the bounty.

See if you like that. As they're drifting away on a small lifeboat. He's like, oh, fuck. And also, this has not gone well. Also, we packed it full of yummy food. So you're set for ages. Yeah, we left the cannons of the guns and all those plants. He can sell for millions of pounds on board.

See you. Oh, shit. Millions of pounds. What have we done? They went over to get cheap food supply. But that cheap food is worth millions. What have we done? We went over to feed slaves and we all ended up as being millionaires.

Accidental millionaires. That's the best kind of millionaire. Because they respect it more. You know, they appreciate it. When you're accidentally a millionaire, you don't take it for granted, you know. So even the big boat was overcrowded. Christian let everyone leave who wanted to leave. Do you get the feeling that it's like a show?

shitty row boat or it is like a boat that they could feasibly get home in. No, no, yeah, there's a sail on it and stuff like that. Okay, so they're not leaving him to die. It's a small boat, but yeah. He's given him a, he's like, after letting him go, he had the thought. He's like, there's a chance they might make it back, so I've got to be aware

of that. There's a chance they might make it back. They might make it back to England. So he's like, there's a chance that the English Navy might come for me because Blah makes it back and lets them know. Because now I'm a pirate. He's like, it's like, I'm a pirate.

I think he's thinking it's unlikely, but there's a chance. Wow. That's pretty horrible that you put 20 men in a boat and you're thinking it's more likely they'll die than make it. Yeah, but he's also given them the choice. Anyone could say who wanted to. And he did leave everyone, let everyone go who wanted to, apart from a few men,

named Norman, Macintosh and Coleman. A few good men. A few good men who had skills he saw as vital to the success of the game. So they legit are a few good men for his... So they've got skills that are vital. So let's guess what those skills are. Obviously, one of them is going to be a social media expert. Oh, for sure.

Look, the social engine optimization of this ship, he's got to get rid of blind. It's imperative. He's going to be tweeting. He's got to get rid of that. Fake news, fake news. I'm not listening. What else? So social media, obviously.

What else? I imagine some sort of French pastry chef. Obviously. Obviously, that would make sense. How would I live without the croissant? Seriously, how would I? I love croissants so much. I got no idea.

It was actually the two carpenters' mates were Norman and Macintosh. Oh, I can't trust a fucking carpenter. I reckon they'll come back and ruin this. There were carpenters made to stay. They will fuck this up. Mark my words. And Coleman was the armourer. What do you need an armourer for?

Someone was very... Where's the pastry chef? Yeah, no, it seems weird. I think they must have also had other skills with... Like pastry shipping? Just like shipping sort of skills. So, sorry, Matt. Sorry, obviously, like pastry chefing.

Thank you. Yeah. And the other things. Social media. Social media. Cat grooming. Yes. Also cat getting, because they needed to get them first.

Yeah, so they got the one guy to get the cats and want to groom them. I don't know if they hate cats, but pretty cats. They weren't happy about it, those three. And they pleaded with Blyre to remember that they stayed against their will. And Blyre replied, never feel lads. I'll do you justice if I ever reach England. at Blyse Clark Well let's just make them unpopular

that everyone on board The ship they're now on Yeah but I mean they already were They're like we don't want to We don't want to be here We've made that very clear You're making us Why are you letting them go

Interesting Blis is the one you don't like the most Make him stay In my way Yeah that's weird In my world I would take a punt on whoever I think is going to make it Yeah you would

Go with them I'd stick with my morals Mine's the cowardly choice I know I think a lot of people probably did that as well right and also like because if you stay you can't ever go home you've just got to try and make your way on an island somewhere but they fucking love that lifestyle they did like that lifestyle but they had that lifestyle in part because of the good relationships

they had with england cook and and previous i am blind you the head yeah and it's always seems nice when you're on holiday you know like a short period of time you're like i could live like this forever and then you know you try and you go actually no I don't want to live like this. I don't want to live out of a suitcase. What am I doing? No. I don't want to live on this tropical paradise.

Yuck. I want to go back to work. That was really fun. I want to go back to cold weather. Ugh. Getting out of this sunshine. Bly's boat was given food and water that would last for about a week, which is thunder. That is not long enough.

Because there were, what, three, six months away from England? Yeah. I think the plan immediately for Blyer was, he could say. the volcano smoke from the island they wanted to get to. So they weren't that far away. It was definitely a possible thing. From the nutrients of a volcano. Yeah, I was thinking, oh, they weren't far from a volcano.

Great. And that was a nice volcanic island. Oh, that's nice. Tell that to the people of Pompeii. Yeah. Huh? Oh, it's so nice living near a volcano. The people who now live in Pompeii?

Yeah, because they cash in on that tourist dollar. They love it. They love the Volcano. Fuck. Good point. Well played, Matthew. And so quick. Fuck you.

Then at the last minute, so they packed them up. It was funny. It was like everyone was going back to the rooms, getting their stuff. It sounded like it was just such a nice, orderly thing. It's getting their hair straight now. Apart from the fact that it's just like, just kill them. Why don't you just throwing them overboard? Oh.

Don't you think? You're letting them have one of your boats? You just kill them. But I guess if they're mutiny, it's like, we're doing, there's a, because you're breaking the rules anyway, right? You're basically committing a war crime or something. It's just interesting that you would go straight to killing them. Well, it just feels like, is it, is it an us?

Because in reverse, they would kill them, wouldn't they? I think if you do get caught being a meeting here at the time, it will be hanged. Yeah. Spoiler alert. But, uh, and right at the end, I like this, right, right as they were about to head off, they threw in some, um, sword. or some cutlasses, some knives. So they even gave them some weapons.

Right, but no guns. But right at the very, no, guns would have been harder. They're giving them three cutlasses and four rocket launchers. Oh, shit. Dark, dark, dark. Go, go quick. Ro! Ro!

Of the 44 men left alive on the bounty, 19 went off with Bly. Okay, so they do have the majority on the bounty. Yeah, but that was, there were multiple, there were those three and a few others who didn't really want to leave. Oh, so it was about 50, 15. in the end then. Yeah, I think it was more wanted to leave and wanted to stay, but it flipped around.

After Bly had it off the mutineers through the bread plants into the sea, after all that worked. What? Couldn't they, like, sell them and stuff? I guess they're just like, we don't fucking want these. Yeah, it feels like that could have been something to them, right? But they're just taking up a lot of space.

They're into the sea. Yeah, maybe they just wanted to get the big bedroom back. Christian knew that the bounty failing to return to England meant that it was only a matter of time before a search party came for them. Or like you said, if Bly got back, then they'd be like, oh shit. They're coming for us. But either way, they'd be at least a search party looking for them

or a search party looking for the mutinyers. Yeah, right. Knowing this, he took the bandy to an island called to Buoy, an island south of Tahiti, that he knew could be easily defended due to it being almost entirely surrounded by a coral reef. that's pretty smart that's pretty smart but it does seem like a lot of effort they've gone to

just to get away from a guy that was giving him a few floggings just wait a few more weeks just behave yourself you all get paid and then you don't have to hang out with this guy anymore yeah that's right he's not being if he was like being a crazy guy that was like executing people up front and center you don't understand it was life and death yeah just flogging

and then they went because you've not done that thing you should be in charge all right maybe I will throw away our lives yeah it is an amazing it's a big choice and you thought about it for one I'm knowed. No, yeah, you're right.

Yeah, I'm doing it. What he was about to do was a lot more dangerous, go off by himself in a raft. Yeah, that wouldn't have worked out. And take his chances. But it's a smaller crime to be a deserter than to be a mutiner, mutinyer, I guess. I'm saying that like, I know that for sure. I imagine that would be true. Yeah, so they go and set up as if they know they're going to be attacked.

And if you know you're going to be attacked and there's on the, what, 25 of you? Well, they're like, it's a matter of time, but he reckons this place you could protect yourself. from anyone coming at sea. It'd be a lot easier to protect yourself from there. But, I mean, then another one comes. Yeah, there's 25 people. Then another one comes. Another one comes the dust.

No. That's me coming dust. Get that checked. Yeah, that is not okay. You should not be coming dust. The reception from the inhabitants of the island was hostile, though, with a flotilla of war canoes coming out to greet them. Oh, see, there's always a, I was going to say Silverlani,

but the opposite of that. This coral reefs great, except for the flotilla of attack canoes coming towards us. Also, floatilla. That's a fantastic word, floatilla. That's a fantastic word. Floatilla. That's a good band name. Flotilla of War canoes.

Pantera and Flotilla? The Flotilla and Manila. Oh, David. Very good. The men on the bounty killed about a dozen of these warriors, and then they went and... surveyed the island and like what they saw, you know, apart from all the dead bodies. Ours.

Ours now. But they realized that they needed women to create a permanent settlement and decided to head back to Tahiti to pick up some ladies. To go pick up some broads. Wow. So they're like starting like a cult type thing. Let's pick up some chicks. I guess they're thinking like, I guess they're thinking to the next generation.

But also maybe they, yeah, I don't know. So they just want to have a new life. They're happy to live there forever. Yeah, I guess that's the idea. They went back to Tahiti and hit the clubs to pick up some chicks. We put up a few unnoticed boards. Yeah. Wanted.

Chicks. Women. The chicks. Apply now. Are you a woman? I guess one of the... Do you read English? Well, read on.

Matt do read on. Cool. Sorry, I kept jumping in. To make the Tahitian chiefs cooperate, because they weren't obviously... coming in and going, hey, you know, your good mate is Bligh? Yeah, we just fucked him over. Also, can we have all of your women? Thank you so much. Yes, so they needed a story. And the story they gave them was that Bly, Christian and Captain Cook were founding a new settlement. Captain Cook was dead by this time, but that they didn't

realize that. Or the news hadn't got to the Tahitians. The Hartitians. The Tahitians didn't realize that. So they accepted that and that name drop ensured that they were looked after. Start a name dropping. And they set sail back to Dubai with 30 Tahitian men and women, gifts and lives stock.

So men and women? Yeah, more women, but also some men for helping with labor. Like building the settlement. And also just a bit of diversity. It sounds like the Tahitians just said yes to anything. Do they get anything out of it apart from the fact that they thought

they were helping good? I'm not sure. Like an exchange? How about those plants? Oh, fuck, we put him in the border. Yeah, and are they missing? out a part where they've got guns drawn or anything like that? And did the people want to go?

Like were they volunteers to go over there? Or was it just like you, you, you, you, in you go, in the boat. In this case, I'm not sure. But there are parts of this story where there were people taken. Well, you'll hear about it soon. That one, I imagine that some of them, you know, why would you want to go on this thing? Adventure. Just a change of scene.

Yeah, maybe. Get away from your ex-boyfriend, you know what I mean? Maybe, yeah, or maybe you're like, Captain Cook, we know and respect him for some reason. I don't know. I just need to be, like, away from Jerry. I just need to get away from him. Maybe. I think some space would be really good to help him move on,

because, like, I know, I've moved on. Do you know what I mean? I'd like a coral reef between me and Jerry at all times. Yeah, Jerry's a creep. Wait, you went from wanting to look after him to call him a creep pretty quickly. Well, it's kind of like looking after him and looking after me, do you what I mean? Have you moved on, really? Do we need to talk this out?

I don't want to talk about it right now. Okay, well, when we get to this island, once we get through the coral, I think we need to have a chat. Okay, well, you can't force me to open up to you, like, I'll do it in my own time. I won't force you, but just know my hut door doesn't exist, so you can come in. You've got an open door, open hut policy. Okay, I haven't built it yet. I mean, we're not even there.

The hut, to be honest, isn't there either. But, okay, just to sorry, just to clarify that when you do build the hut, okay, this is like a three-part question. Okay. Do you plan on putting a door on the hut? Yes. Okay. Second part, once there is a door on the hut, is that an open door hut policy? Are you saying like I'm welcome to some talk to you anytime?

Or are you saying like, too bad so sad once there's a door on the hut, it's closed? No, look, I'm willing to take the hinges off the door again. No, no, I just wanted you to open it. Oh, look, this is getting very complicated. Do you want the door on or not? I think for, you know, safety and privacy, keep the door on, but can I visit and talk to you even when I'm ready? This isn't working for me. Oh my God.

This is Jerry. This is Jerry all over again. Could we change her for another one, please? I feel like there needs to be a door between you two at all times. In real life or in that sketch we just did. All times. Interesting. The Tobay settlement was largely unsuccessful.

Did I say any of those words, right? Unsuccess though. You said was right? The two, I can't. It's really tripped me up this word. T-U-B-U-A-I. It's the name of an island. How would you say that, Dave?

T-U-B-U-A-I. How would you say that, Jess? Thank you. That's a follow-up question. What'd you say, Tuba-I? T-Bu-I, okay, great, Jess. T-Boo-I. T-Boo-I-I-Legu-I-Legu-I settlement was largely unsuccessful.

Christian was unable to form friendly relations with the local chiefs. And the women. Possibly in part because they killed a bunch of their warriors, not long before. A dozen. There were violent clashes with the locals also, from then on, with one, battle resulting in 66 of the locals' death. Oh shit. That's it.

Kill one less or four more. Right. 66's a good year though. Saints only premiership in 60s. Yeah, my God. Also England's only World Cup victory. There you go. What a fact.

You knew that. Yeah, I knew that. His crew of mutineers were beginning to quarrel as well. So to bring it all to a head, Christian allowed a free vote. and in this vote eight of the men remained loyal to him it's funny now

the loyalist you're split in the party you're split in the party it's no good but the other 16 wanted to return to Tahiti to take their chances oh boy

and that's what happened Christian delivered those 16 men back to Tahiti but he realised himself that he could not remain there after what he'd done obviously what had they found out that it was a lie

the colony uh the Tahitian chiefs that he'd taken the 30 people from? Do they find out that he'd lied? I can't go there? Not as yet, but he knows that it's only a matter of time.

Right, right, right. I did say that he delivered the 16 men, but it was only 15 as he again held Joseph Coleman against his wishes. Is this the builder? He was... The same guy that was held before

against him? That guy's been fucked. Yeah, the... What do I call him? Armourist. Two times he said, who wants to leave? Not you.

Yeah. Oh, fuck. Two times. It was again seen as being too valuable. On their return to Tahiti, the reception, so they delivered them though, the 15 or the 15 men, the bounty sailed back to Tahiti to drop them off. And on their return to Tahiti,

the reception was much less welcoming, as the Tahitians had learnt of their lie. A visiting British ship told them that Captain Cook had been long dead. And they were like, oh, hang on a second. Hold the phone. Fearing the Tahitians would react negatively to the lie, Christian decided to leave quickly, but not before hosting a party on the ship.

Of course. Inviting mainly women. All right. When the party was really starting to get going, they cut the anchor. Orgy, it's an orgy, isn't it? And they sailed away with the guests. So, okay, and have they dropped off the 15 that want to go home?

Yeah, they'd drop them off, and they'd picked up. 30 women. With the, with the orgy as a distraction. Coleman escaped overboard. And the orgy sails on. That's a beautiful boat. Coleman got off. And reached land safely. Yeah.

So he... While everyone's banging, he was just like, I gotta go. Now's my chance. A few of the women Christian had abducted were a bit older, and he had no use for them. So he dropped him off on a different island. Oh. How fucked is that? Oh, no.

He's picked him up without them knowing, sailed him away and gone, oh, you're too old. You can't have kids or whatever he's thinking. You can't do labor. in either of the meanings. So we're going to drop you off on another island. So she's going, oh, you're old. We're taking you from your home and putting you over here. Sorry.

Oh, no. Bye. Sorry. Sorry. Bye. I guess again, he could have just chucked him overboard. So it's not the worst thing he could have done. Sure, he's a hero is what you're saying.

It's the second worst thing he could have done. Yeah, it was two I see of the things he could have done. Second in charge of bad things. So at this stage, the bounty comprised nine mutineers. Christian, Young, Quintel, Brown, Martin, John Williams, William McCoy, John Mills and John Adams. And then plus another 20 Polynesian, 14 of which were women. Women? Of the 15 who were dropped off at Tahiti, there were mixed fortunes.

Some built a boat with the thought of selling to a Dutch settlement to surrender with the hope of proving their innocence, which is not a bad plan. Then there were others whose tactic was a little different. They just got drunk a lot. Churchill. You, Maddie. Churchill was one of those, and so was Matthew Thompson. There we go. And they went down that route.

Both of them ending up dying violent deaths. Oh. What, what, getting to a bar fight? Yeah, barfights. They went to the saloon. The Tahitian saloon. Yeah, on the wrong night. And, yeah, with the wrong attitude.

Wrong place, wrong time. Their heart ended up on the wrong side of their inside. Oh, no. The outside. Their heart was extracted. While that was all going on, Bly's plan was to sail to the Dutch settlement of Kupang in Timor. It was tough. This bit of the story could be its own episode, right?

I'm bringing it down to one paragraph. They encountered rough conditions and they lost men. People died. And that journey, it took months. Because are they on a pretty small shitty ship? Well, they're on a much smaller ship than the bounty, and you already said the bounty was small. But it wasn't like a rowboat or something like that. There was a sale, I'm pretty sure.

Because at one point I heard, I heard someone say that he put up the sale. That is very good observation on then. Thank you. I'm going to call you Sherlock Holmes over there. Oh, I wonder why is that. Who's our little Sherlock, I'll say. I don't get the reference. Get a Sherlock.

Call me Shirl. Good to see your champ. Shil. So by, yes, cutting along so short on the 12th of June, they cited the Timorkemeau. coast, which is what they were heading for. Blah described this moment in his journal. He said,

it is not possible for me to describe... Did I just say he described it in his journal? Yes. And his comment was, it is not possible for me to describe the pleasure of which the blessing of the site of this land diffused among us. Among us. Among us.

And on 14th of June, a few days later, with a homemade union jack flag hoisted, they sailed into Kupang. I did it with crayons. their Bly Reported the mutiny They were given word Creole

Yeah Their Bly reported the mutiny And from there they headed back to Or headed across to what is now known as Jakarta Where they awaited a ship home to England In the time of waiting for that ship The Jakarta weather Took out a few of the men

A few people died And then on the journey home A few more died But How many are you left A few including Bly A few of the cool dudes When Blyer landed in England on 14th of March 1790,

news of the mutiny had preceded him, and he arrived a hero. What a weird way to become a hero. Someone overpowered you. My hero. Someone stole your golf cart. You're a hero. In October. Yes, I am.

Please take me to my hero quarters. Please, call me a captain. Please. Oh, sorry, we've changed your bedroom at home into a little nursery for pot plants. In October 1790 at a formal court martial for the loss of the bounty He was honourably acquitted of responsibility for the loss And was promoted to post-captain So he's beyond captain

He's beyond it You are beyond captain He's like I mean there's like There's like modern and there's post-boden And there's like captain and he's like post-captain Do you know what I mean? He had to deliver mail

He's the captain of the post. He promoted you to mailman. Oh, shit. But not a big captain, mailman. Oh, yeah, he leads the mailman. In November 1790, the Admiralty dispatch, the frigate HMS Pandora under Captain Edward Edwards to capture the mutineers and return them to England to stand trial.

Pandora arrived at Tahiti on the 23rd of March 1791, and a few days later, all surviving bounty men had either surrendered or being captured. Oh, that's pretty quick. I reckon. Yeah. It's a quick turnaround. Eddie Edwards gets it done.

Yeah, he is efficient AF. Edwards made no distinction. This is our efficient is. He made no distinction between mutineers and those who claimed they had been detained on the bounty against their will. Don't care. They were all kept prisoner on the Pandora in a specifically constructed box, referred to as Pandora's Box. Ah.

That's a fun noise. Failing to find any further information about the bounties' whereabouts, they sailed because the people of Tahiti and the men who were left there didn't know, so he wasn't really able to get any clues from him. So when he couldn't figure out anything there, they sailed again in search of the bounty around the Pacific Islands, but to no avail. Giving up that search, Edwards headed for the Dutch East Indies,

which seems to be a real hub. Hot spot. Yeah, that's where you... It's where all the good stuff is. On the 29th of August 1791, Pandora ran a ground on the Great Barrier Reef. Uh-oh, I know where that is. The men in Pandora's box were ignored as the regular crew attempted to prevent the ship from foundering. When Edwards gave the order to abandon ship, they began to remove the prisoner's shackles,

but the ship went down before they could finish. What? So some of them were just shackled in? Some of them just got drowned in shackles. What? It was fucked. Oh man! Yeah, that was a real, like that's a magic trick going wrong sort of thing.

Yeah. Wow. Poudini survived, but many of the others didn't. But also a lot of the crew on the ship itself died that day as well. Some of the prisoners did make it out alive. But of the ones who died included my man. Great, great, great, great, grand, grand, grand, great. Your 12th, third division, George Stewart.

The prisoners that made it out as well as the surviving Pandora crew continued onto the Dutch East Indies in one of their smaller boats, I guess. My God. Then onto England via the HMS Gorgon. Gorgon. Which sounds delicious. Yeah, yum. I reckon their ship's name because they love of Gorgans. Short, of course, for Gorgonzola.

Okay, great. Reaching England. They've got two ships, the Gorgon and Zola. Yeah. We lost the Zola months ago. HMA Zola. There's a text limit. We couldn't have Gorgon Zola, so we just made two ships.

We got the Gorgon. We got the Zola. Put it together? Matt did the face for me. Turn it again. We got the Gorgon. We got the Zola. That's good fun.

We have fun here. It's kind of so you get live, you know? Oh, man. You'll get to experience that in the flesh. God, that'll be good. Reaching England, they, then awaited trial. The prisoners included the three detained loyalists,

Coleman, McIntosh, and Norman. It would be pretty pissed up. To whom Bly had promised justice. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. No, no, that's what it feels like that, but now they get off. In some ways, I was kind of,

it would have been way better for the story if they got fucked. Yeah. They got off instead. But instead, they got off. They didn't get fucked, they got off. Yeah, Tahitian style.

The green bones, zone, whatever we called. At the time of, uh, the, At the time of the trials, Bly was on another expedition, this time to again get breadfruit. They went and tried again. Give it up, idiots. It's just fruit.

We've looked it up. It's shit. It looks kind of weird. It's not going to take off. Bly, mate, we've looked it up. Stop trying to make breadfruit happen. It's not going to happen. It doesn't happen.

I'm in the future, you idiot. Can I have a little bit of foresight? None of us had heard of it. And we're all. And we're all alive. And you're not, so you should listen to me. Yeah. I really like the name of the guy presided over the hearings.

So the court martial, and they do it on a boat docked in the bay, which I like as well. Why? Just go to a building. No, we're boat people. This is how we do it. It's a quirky fun thing we do. They're boat people? It's much easy to reenact stuff on a boat if you're on a boat. The jury can imagine what it would have been like. No, that's fair. Okay, fair enough. So the guy who was overseeing it is vice.

Admiral Lord Hood. It just sounds like a villain. I was expecting something so much better when you said you liked his name. It was hood. I enjoy that his... Lord Hood. Vice Admiral Lord Hood. He sounds like a Star Wars. Yeah. Bad guy. His title is about 10 syllable longer than his actual name.

Hood. Vice Admiral Lord Hood. Oh. I was disappointed. Everything about that was disappointing. Sorry, everybody. Blas surviving loyalists provided testimony against their mutiners. The court did not challenge the statements of Coleman,

McIntosh, Norman, and Byrne, all of whom were acquitted. That was the... Turns like everyone else should have been like, yeah, I was one of them. And everyone would have been like, I don't challenge that. In the end, six of the defendants were found guilty of mutiny and sentenced to death by hanging. Oh.

Yeah, so... But is that not all of them? Bad luck. Bucaroo boys. Bucaroo boys. But I did read... Hi, I'm Jess. I'm Matt.

I'm Dave. Oh, you were just ready to leave Dave out of the Bukaroo Boys! I didn't think Dave was going to be a... Dave's got nothing Buccaro boys about him. You stop speaking for a moment then. David, would you be interested in being a Bucaroo boy? No, I'm a fucking loyalist, and I will not join you. I will not join...

Oh, no, they've got me at gunpoint. I swear I don't want to be here. I don't want to build a shit for you. Matt, I'm sorry that I... Cut you off there. It's not Bucaroo Boy material. Justin Man of the Bucaroo Boys. With the Bacaroo Boys.

Hashtagoo Bois. Hackaroo. Talking's hard. I'm a Bly boy through and throat. Oh, wow. Interesting. Bly boy. Never give up my Bly.

I love you Bly. You're a Bly guy. I'm a Bly. Queer eye for the Bly guy. I've got that eye for you, Bly. Okay, mate. All right, that's enough. Some people said that the guys, the mutineers,

with a bit of money, were able to get off of their charges, Jess. You saucy mix. But yeah, other people said that that wasn't necessarily true, and it was. some people did get off. Some people did get off.

They're charges. And then I imagine they celebrated it by getting off. Their charges. For a second time. They reenacted it at home. And then what happened, Mom was. And then, so I guess we should go back and check in with Christian and the guys. Yeah, what happened there?

So after leaving Tahiti on the 22nd of September 1789, Christian sailed the bounty west in search of a safe haven. He then formed the idea of settling on Pitcah. Can Island. You had a Pitcan Island? Pitcan Island, you would have heard of it because of this, because it was uninhabited beforehand. Its location had never been definitively recorded.

It was where they thought it was or where it was down on the maps. It actually wasn't there. They had to search around for it. So they saw that as being as a benefit for them. Oh, because people can't find it. It's a bit harder to find. It almost like it doesn't exist there. After a lengthy search, the mutiners found Pitcaan.

And for a while, the mutiners and the Tahitians, who they'd basically kidnapped, existed there peacefully. Sorry, not all of them. Some from earlier wanted to be there, but they did kidnap a big bunch as well. Christians settled down with Isabella, who was still there with him.

And they had a son named... Yeah, fuck, it's weird that I've just allowed him to make that a thing. Yeah, it is interesting. Not Isabella. Her real name, which I'd have to scroll one. Yeah, no, don't scroll back. I'm sorry.

It's just easier to remember. Yeah, nah, he was right. Yeah, now I get it. Now I get it. Because now I just think, oh, what was his ex-girlfriend from England's name? Isabella. Yeah, that's right. That's what this.

A normal name, you mean. So he settled down with her, and they had a son, one of their children named, maybe you like this more than, if you didn't like Lord Hood, good luck finding a better name, maybe you like this one. They had a son named Thursday October Christian. That's a shocker. That's the worst of my bedroom. That's a terrible, man.

It's better that... No, that's bad. That's got to be the day and the month that he was born, right? You there, what day is this? Why, sir, today is Thursday October Day. Good enough for me. Yeah. It would have been better if it was 22nd October or something.

I reckon it would be less weird. Thursday. It feels like you're missing some key information there. How do you shorten that? What year? What do you call him? Daisy? Oh, fuck. That's great.

Octo. Octo pussy. Toc. That's not bad. No, I don't like that. Thirsty. There it is. The camel.

Okay, you're good at this. Tensions gradually increased again, though, especially around the way the Englishmen treated the Tahitians like they were their possessions. Apparently, some of the women were, like, passed around. Oh, no. Which, fuck. Even just that phrase passed around is fucking gross. It makes it sound like they're Dave Warnocky size.

It's just fit in your hand. Hang on. In September 1793, five of the mutineers Christian Williams, Martin, Mills and Brown were killed by Tahitians. Oh, no. Oh, Christian was. Yeah, Fletcher Christian was killed while working in his fields. Apparently, his last words were, oh dear. Some good words.

I like that. My favorite part of the whole report. I should have given it. I should have built it up better. Oh, dear. Oh dear Oh dear He's just been

Stepped in the heart Oh dear This isn't good is it It's just how It depends on the tone Doesn't it It could be Oh dear

He's calling out To say That's right Oh dear Fetch the surgeon Oh dear Oh dear You know it's different

Apparently Because he bucked by a deer Oh dear Oh dear Oh dear Oh dear That was him being Is that how it happened Matt

Yeah, that is. So the Tahitians went one by one and sort of did it. They took them out one by one, sort of. Right. So does that mean there's three or so Englishmen left? Yeah, that's three or so. By 1794, the six Tahitian men were also dead, killed for revenge by the widows of the murdered mutineers or by each other.

Oh, my God. So it was a blood bath on that island. And now, just to basically finish off, I found this sort of nice little wrap up on, One of my favourite websites for this thing, History.com. And I'm just going to read a little bit here about what was found there. In 1808, an American whaling vessel was drawn to Pitcan by smoke from a cooking fire. The Americans discovered a community of children and women led by John Adams,

the sole survivor of the original nine mutineers. According to Adams, after settling on Pitcahn, the colonists had stripped and burned the bounty, and internal strife and sickness had led to the death of Fletcher and all the men but him. So he called it internal strife. Okay. Which I like. That's nice.

Basically what happened was, oh dear. You get it. In 1825, a British ship arrived and formally granted Adams Amnesty. So even though he was earned up to being a mutineer, he was given the all clear. And he served as patriarch of the Pitcahn community. until his death in 1829. Wow. In 1831, the Pitcahn Islanders were resettled on Tahiti, but unsatisfied with life there,

they soon returned to their native island. In 1856, the Islanders were removed to Norfolk Island, a former penal colony, nearly 4,000 miles to the west. However, less than two years later, 17 of the islanders returned to Pitcah, followed by more families in 1864. They travelled 4,000 miles back. Yeah, they obviously just love it there. That's huge.

And just tiny little island. Love it. Today, around 40 people live on Pitcah Island and all but a handful of descendants of the bounty mutineers. Wow. About a thousand residents of Norfolk Island, half its population, trace their lineage from Fletcher Christian and the eight other Englishmen. Wow.

Yeah. So there's over half the of Norfolk Island. Wow. Direct descendants. That's amazing. So their culture there is like, it's really locked into that, the whole bounty mutiny. And they're all very closely related. Yeah, well, yeah.

Half of them. Half of them. Wow. That's fascinating. I didn't know that. That's kind of the end of the story. It feels like it maybe is almost the biggest one I've tried to do. And there's huge gaps in there, but the fascinating thing.

Five movies, though, four of them you can see. I try to watch one last night. I fell asleep quite early. Which one did you choose? Because I was just rented off iTunes, and the Mel Gibson one wasn't on there. So I went with the one my dad recommended, which was the one with Marlon Brando. Wow. Cool.

So I'm probably going to go watch it now after this. But Marlon Brando's portrayal of Fletcher Christian was super camp. He was a real dandy boy. He came, he rocked up to board the bounty wearing like this really silvery sort of funny suit thing. It was weird. Was it really strange about it? The actual time? Yeah, it was set at the time.

And there was, like, even in the first 10 minutes, there was all these inconsistencies. Like, he hadn't met, um, he hadn't met, uh, Bly before. Whereas they had, I was find that weird when they do a movie. Like, there must have been a reason for that. Yeah, but why do you pick this historical event if you just want to change it anyway? Yeah, it just seems like, ah, he could just be like, oh, yeah, remember me. So, and was it a young Brando? It was a young brand.

It was 63. The movie, but here's a, it's a fun fact, I guess, to finish on. And it's about that movie. I'll decide. Yeah, that's probably true. This is something that my dad told me, and I just looked it up before. Tahitian actress Terita Terrapea, who played Brando's love interest in Mutiny on the Bounty, became his third wife in 1962.

Oh, this bit isn't fun. But yeah, he actually married his on screen, I guess, the Isabella character, actress. And that's fun. Is that a fun fact? I mean, it's sweet. I don't know if it's... He owned an island. Basically you're just telling me that two people fell in love. I don't know if that's fun.

It's just kind of... I'm into it. Oh, no, what have I done? Just saying. Why do you plan this up as a lonely Jess would feel sad about this? No one buys it, Jess. No one buys it, Jess. Oh, man.

You're just going to get more creep. Creme tweets. Hashtad creep tweets. You make that happen. How about this? She was 20 years old, and Brando was 38 at the time. It's only 18 years. He was reportedly delighted by her naivete.

Okay. All right. Well, Nat, you've taken what you originally said was a fun fact and made it a creepy fact. Oh, no, I don't like it at all. I should have read that before. That was straight off Wikipedia. Nice.

Yucky. Still, regardless of that weird creep fact at the end, that was a very good report. And a very interesting story. Would you agree, David? Oh, I thought that was a great story. I'm just looking at where Marlon Brande's Island was. And it was in part of French Polynesia.

So that's sort of not too far from there. I wouldn't say no to an island. I mean, I wouldn't say no. I probably wouldn't go out of my way to get one. But if someone was like, hey, do you want an island? And I'd be like, how much? And they're like, 20 bucks. I'd be like, yeah, right.

20. Oh, yeah, go on. Let me ask me, mate, Bly. Go on. Yeah, if I can borrow some. Do you ever paid him back? Definitely not. Sounds like he didn't.

Yeah. And that's why he's a dog. Part from anything else. Yeah, that's why he's a dog. Thanks for listening. to me do this report you guys. It really feels nice to have your support. Totally back there. And we should also say that that report was voted on by our Patreon.

Yes, that's right. As all that's topics are, you put up, what are three or four topics this time? I put three up. So actually the, so the way the vote went this week, it was relatively close. Everyone picked up votes. Jimmy Hendricks had about a quarter of the votes. The filming of the island of Dr. Moro. picked up about 30% of the votes,

but Mutiny on the Bounty picked up the rest about 45%. And I believe the island of Doc Moro also had Marlon Brando. It did, yeah. There was that connection across the two which I didn't realize until today. And you probably did Jimmy Hendrix.

He probably did. They were all super famous people at the time. So yeah, the patrons who vote on that, we normally thank a few of them at the end as well. So I would like to do that now if you don't mind. Please. And ask Jess, do you have anyone to thank? Absolutely.

I would like to thank someone who, he's one of those people that just, you know, when you ask a favor, they just go that little bit further. You know, they're always doing just that little bit more. Oh. And I would obviously like to thank our good friend and listener and Patreon supporter, Isaac Moore. I was actually going to try and make a letter. I told you I'm not good at these. No, that was good.

Isaac Moore. Thank you so much, Isaac. I loved it almost as much as I love Isaac Moore. And that's a lot. That is a whole heap. He's from North Carolina. Same place as I think Michael Jordan played university basketball. Is that right?

Why? I don't know, Michael Jordan. Why are you talking? Michael Jordan is not my best friend. Despite what my Facebook profile, the picture says. It's fake. It's a fake. I never met him.

Can I, would you mind have I think, a good friend of mine, the shows? Is it Michael Jordan? No, it is not. It's a man from London. London. Which is a great town. You sound like you're from London.

And I'm not even going to fuck around with any jokes with this guy. Interesting. I can't think of one or top what Jess just did with that Moore thing. Oh, shut up. Chris Tostovan. I mean, that name stands alone. It doesn't need any sort of cheap punnery. You're a piece of shit.

But, you know, who isn't a piece of shit? Chris Tostovin. Almost guaranteed not to be pronouncing that right. Chris, let me know and I'll fix it up in post. Chris, he won't. That is a name that rings in my head and it rings. Rings true. Rings true.

Chris Tostovan. Is that how you'd say it? Yeah, I'm not sure. I've just had a look at Matt's screen. I'm not sure you could say that another way. Maybe Toasty. Toast divine. Toast divine.

Toast divine. That is a beautiful. All right. Now, what would be your toast divine? Okay. We're talking a nice sour dough. Mm-hmm. Put on a bit of avocado.

Yes. We're on the same page here. Some feta. Yes, please. Pomeranet seeds. Oh my goodness, I wasn't considering it until now. Yeah, yeah. And then roast tomato.

Yes. And a little balsamic. Oh my gosh. I was going to say something shitter than that. I'll have yours. Two of those, please. I'll have what she's having. I hated myself for that.

Dave, would you like to thank somebody. Please get me out of this. Chris, toast, divine. Toast divine. And I would, and I would like to thank you. thanks on. I would like to also point out that we thank these people in order of the pledge. In the exact order of the people of pledge. It's all scientific. It's very scientific.

We're trying to be fair. So if you have pledged, your name will be read out. We definitely will get to you. We do appreciate you waiting around. But I would like to make my pledge, my loyal pledge. And I would like to say a sentence that I think that maybe this man will understand before any of us. This is terrible. Toirini It's a moi ediska. which I think our friend, Riz Azaf, would understand because he is, he, possibly she, no, I'm thinking about it, is our sole Japanese pleasure. Thank you very much, Riz Arzap, and I just said the one sentence I know from Japanese, which is, can I go to the toilet?

Please. Riz, please tweet in and let Dave know if you can go to the toilet. When I was in primary school, you couldn't go to the toilet in our Japanese class unless you said it to the teacher properly. Riz is a, he's a dude from, and he's also, he's a media student, which is what all of us did, I think. Yeah. You're like, oh, you're one of us, Riz. One of us. Good on you.

I only looking at your photo, you are way cooler than us, but still, one of us all the same. And let us know, Riz, did you ever get the Christmas card? Because your address is obviously using kanji Japanese characters. And that is difficult for us to put on a postcard. Matt had an amazing crack at it. I did it freehand, but I hopefully, yeah, hopefully, found you, let us know if it didn't. We do not know the Japanese alphabet.

Much less how to write it. Can count a three though. Please take it away. Ichini Sanchi. Is that right? That's right. And then it goes, Go Roku,

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