Two In The Think Tank - 75 - Mutiny on the Bounty

Episode Date: March 29, 2017

Mutiny on the Bounty! A tale of drama and treachery on the high seas... many people know it on some level, as there have been FIVE feature films made about the story, but none since the 80s, so it's time for a refresher course. This story includes: boating, flogging, boning, blood letting and lush tropical islands!Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPod Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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I do every week silently to myself. Okay. I'm sorry Dave. Do you want to go again? I'll be quiet. No, no Dave That's that's delicious. So let's hear it. Okay, come on. I think it's fine 75 apps. Let's do it Hello and welcome to do go on. My name is Dave Warnakie and I'm here L.F. Oh no, she did a way better. She did. Oh no, she read this. This is the worst possible result. Is that I did it better than him?

Yeah, because... How's that a bad result? Well, you've got so much and Dave only has this. That's true. Oh no, look at him. I've got nothing to live for. Tony Hott has this. That's true. Oh no, look at him. I've got nothing to live for. Honey, I was broken. My name is Jess Perkins, and I'm here as I am every week

with my best friends, Matt Stewart and Dave Warnocky. Hello boys, how are you today? I'm dying. Dave's just been demoted. I'm going pretty well. How's he demoted? I called you my best friends. Demoted to not the introductory girl.

Oh sure. I demoted from soulmate to best friend. It's really hard to open up to people and tell them that they're your best friend. So that could I took balls to be honest, from me. Oh, okay. And I just want you both to appreciate that. I mean, it doesn't have to be reciprocated. Yeah, I'm still searching for my balls. You took my balls. I took your balls. Have you ever had them?

Jess has got, how many balls. Have you ever had them? Jess has got, how many balls they give you? You got Dave's too. Was that all, did you have? That's like that, yeah. One of the balls would I have. I mean, hockey balls. I'm a basketball.

Basket balls. Probably place, to be honest, there's probably a couple around the house. Hey, look, all these balls are very fun to talk about. Oh, these balls. I'm having a real great ball talk chat with you balls Here with my balls talking about balls. I'm loving that but oh what I would like to talk about is what we did yesterday Or in them like whatever the amount of days back is from Wednesday to Saturday What we did on Saturday Saturday. Yeah, whoop We had a really fun time at the Bloody Launch.

Yes, we went to the Planet Broadcasting Launch at the very cool Art Deco Riverley cinema on Saturday. It was absolutely awesome. Such a good day. At a great time, if you haven't heard us talk about it before, we have joined forces form the Avengers of podcast networks called Planet Broadcasting. It's be headed by the guys and wife of the weekly planet. So that's Mesa James and his wife Claire. And they organized a fantastic event where all the eight also podcasts that are

being part of this network. It was launched. We had a bit of a panel discussion. I think we tried to sum up our show in 90 seconds. And I tried to do a report in 90 seconds. And I didn't finish the report. Yeah, because it only takes us hours. Yeah, two hours condensed into 60 seconds plus Matt talking.

And Matt Gondas, we got Gond. Yeah, I think Matt was speaking at one syllable per 10 seconds. Oh, hang on. As he does. But that's what we love about him. And we got to meet some listeners, which was really cool. Oh, that was cool. Yeah.

Including Matt Nash from Sheppardon. Yep. Although, although Matt decided to not disclose his profession to me until after and he tweeted a photo and said, little did just know she was getting a photo with an accountant. Oh, you know what? Before that, I liked Matt. I was like, this guy is cool. Well, what does that say?

Yeah, just give him a go. What does that say? And you know what, we make here in Stratford as well and he's also, and then he was there on Saturday as well. He traveled a long way to be there, which I appreciate. He's a really lovely guy. Who else do we meet? I should have written some names there. We met Sof. Yep. Who's cool? You've met her already. Yeah, sof is great. And we met Nick and Sally and Tom Sally very cool. How do good golden girls chat with Sally? Oh?

Sally. Yes, golden girl would you be? Oh, one thing. And we had the exact same. Back when we were younger, we would have been Dorothy. Sure. But now we feel like we're more Sophia's. Wow. It was really weird. I wouldn't have thought I'd be one out with that, that nut.

That's right. She's all the way on board. Good for you. Good for you for meeting that. You know who else I met? Who? I met the guy, I think he's Emma's markers who Put why two came the hat and he's like I thanks for doing my topic back

Oh Awesome a few months back and he goes he was so excited about That we read his name out on that episode that he wanted to play it in front of his family, right? So they're What is that funny? You're a piece of fucking shit Jess? I was laughing because that's sweet. Oh, no, I'll take it back. We'll go take it back.

That's early for a piece of, not even a piece of shit, a piece of fucking shit. Yeah, I'm sorry. Good heavens. Look, I had, I- My parents listened to this. I got defensive about, I thought you were laughing at Marcus.

I would never laugh at Marcus. So he was sitting around the dinner table with his extended family. Sorry if you're hearing my voice go up and down. Dave's been super unprofessional at the moment and turning me up and down on the mic. So which is going to sound a bit confusing to you. Because you're like, is there some sort of issue going on with my system? Because you were louder than the sun.

You're the one on the dials. What are you? I'm just talking normal about Marcus. So Marcus is sitting on the table extended family. What? Fucking fucks. This was a really nice story. Yeah, and I want to hear it. I want you to just hurry up and hear it. So that was sitting around the family. Jenna Nana was there. Everyone was there. and he's gone I'm gonna play this for you and they're like water podcast. Why do we care?

It's like just wait a second I'm gonna play this thing and you know you can only skip it 15 seconds at a time No, he's trying to get the he's trying to get to the right thing But he overshoots and he lands it on a piece of me saying what a fucking You're kidding. One of the few What are you looking at in front of Nana? One of the very, very few times that's gone through to the keeper.

Yeah, we normally bleep it. We don't even say it anymore. Oh, we kind of don't say it. Yeah, whatever Matt just bleeped, wasn't bleeped, I assume. Yeah, I don't think it was, it wasn't bleeped the first time around. But I will bleep it this time because we don't talk like that anymore.

Because of the old us. Because of the story. It's just the things like this story. Oh no, Marcus, we're sorry. It's a lot better. No, no, no, the guy that said these horrible words also said, my dad, you had to back it up. Oh no.

Suddenly, Nann's got no time for Matt. Oh, sorry, Nann. Sorry, Nann. But it was a grand day out. Ah, what a go- And Pans another guy I met. Jameet Pan. Yes, Matt Pan and a good chat.

Pan was cool. Alright, great. I'm definitely forgot about some people. Phil was great. Phil in the great shirt that we said was a Warnocky shirt. Oh, he was great. He was cool. But with that out the way, our final studio episode for a while because we will be

Releasing the episodes the light episodes of the world called life So if you are overseas and listening you think you're gonna miss out don't worry. We'll hear the show But possibly we'll be editing out the controversial stuff But if you see it live we can't edit it out of your brains. Yeah, it's gonna be fun. We won't because I won't do it I won't do it or a few because country to some Facebook messages We do edit this show a little a tiny bit We have learned to edit. Well, we're learning to it. We're learning Over to the man the match to it. I was gonna say Matt the man's to it, but who cares? It's all good

I'm Eddie. I answered to both of those unless we're in a crowded room and you say that now I'll assume you're talking to someone else but you're like man I'm assuming you're talking to Vince McMahon or some other man. Anthony the man Monday. Yeah, the Aussie boxer Also Someone else called man Jane Mansfield. There we go. Marilyn Manson. Oh I wanted to just go straight another people who suggested this topic.

Topic. On Twitter. Twitter. So, multiple is a popular one. Also, yesterday a few people, or one person, said, hey, you did my topic, and I'll go say, you did my topic one time. I was so excited about it.

And he goes, it was the Bermuda Triangle, and I'm like, oh, I'm so sorry. That was the one I was particularly drunk on. Mabados. And then he said that I forgot to read out some names but not his I'm like oh fuck. I mean it feels like that episode more than others that I have an excuse. You know I was a bad person. And also the ideas were lost in the Bermuda Triangle that week so that's right.

What was it going? We found the wreckage and there was only three out of 10 names there. So we apologize. And I was also drunk from being in a charity luncheon. Yeah, you're a hero. You're a hero. That's right. Oh, OK.

You got drunk charity. I think that's fine. I just remember, it's the only time you've worn a suit to the recording and you would drunk off your head. How good did he look though? He looks so shy. Good.

He just couldn't speak. It was so good though. That was a fun time. I hope that happened to Game 1 Day. Anyways, so the- What were you at to the live show? Oh, well that's a good question. I might put that up to the vote.

Okay. That's a good question. Vote for Matt's- On the page you're on vote for Matt's outfit to the first of the live show. Can we have- That's a real good question. Can we do that? That's fun. Could there be a wild card, like a flamingo costume or something?

Yes. Oh, you know that's what that's- You know that's what they'll vote for. I'd vote for that. I'll get on and vote for it. Can we have like a real good one? Can we do that? That's fun. Can we be a wild card, like a flamingo costume or something? Yes. Oh, you know that's what that's what they'll vote for. I'd vote for that. I'll get on and vote for it. So the people who nominated this week's topic, Will White at Willow White, 95, it makes sense. There's just an O. It does matter. And also Echo at echo Watkins. You're a miss. So thanks to both of you. I'm very tired. It's been a big week.

I know, buddy. Let's get through it. Okay, great. So the question, we are some of the question. We do. This week is, it's almost as like Dave wrote it because it's very confusing as a question. Is the answer Japan? It's almost like Dave wrote it because it's very confusing as a question. Is the answer Japan? So this week's topic has had five feature films made about it. So it's quite a big, well explored topic. Indiana Jones.

Nah, Nia, Harry Potter. I'll give you an extra clue. Yes. A key character from this story has been portrayed by the five actors he's been portrayed by Wilton Power, which I don't know. I was going to say, if that's a clue, go fuck yourself. Okay, he was from a, that was the first one, that was a Silent Australian move, which has been lost. Lost to the A-J. So this is really old. Yes. Australian, maybe. Also, Errol Flynn in his first on-screen role.

Oh, okay. Clark Gable. Oh. Hollywood legend. We've been on back a while. Marlon Brando and Mel Gibson. What a fucking lineup. Apart from the guy I'm hurt of, what's that for?

I like it. Fleet the weapon. Yeah, is it Fleet the weapon? Is it Fleet the weapon? Rehig's, I'm torn for this shit. Yeah, yeah, Fleet the weapon. Is ital weapon? Rehearsal weapon? Rehearsal weapon? Rehearsal weapon? Yeah, yeah, it's lethal weapon.

Is it um... No, Dave, I got it. He said it's lethal weapon. Oh, sorry, I'm sorry. It's all about lethal weapon ride at Hollywood on the Gold Coast. I was going to try to put a joke answer in, but obviously you've already... No, go, please. I mean, sorry that I got there first with the correct answer.

I get to get my joke gone. No, I get to get my joke gone. Braveheart, will you mull us out? Is it Braveheart? Is it Robin Hood? No, I'm gonna give you one more try, Dave and Jess, otherwise we've got to move on, all right? Okay. Right, Jess goes first because I need more thinking.

Is it lethal weapon? No. Interesting. Still not. Interesting. No, it was, but now it is. I've changed my mind. I could tell you the character is a fletcher Christian.

No, no. So it's a real person. It doesn't help at all. That doesn't help you in what, not. I'm afraid I do not know. Have you seen the trip? The trip. Oh, with Steve Cougan?

Yeah. They do some of their impersonations about it. I've not seen it. All right, great. Well, it is the mutiny on the bounty. Oh, william bli. William bli, yeah. Is that the is the mutiny on the bounty. Oh, William Bligh. William Bligh, yeah. Is that the character? That's the other guy. That's Serantini Hopkins played

Bligh vs. A Cross from Mel Gibson's Christian. Oh, what movie do they play? The bounty. Oh, God, I didn't know the Mel Gibson did a movie about this. You know what I would like. I would like Matt to tell us this story. The HMS bounty was built in 1784 at the blades figured in Hull, Yorkshire in 1787. No, last time he didn't even pause to let me get in there. I forget Dave likes it when you do that. I think

it's a waste of time. Now he comes out with the truce. I do, I just forget every time. Every time you say it, I'm pleasantly surprised. You know why? Because Matt's concentrating so hard on saying the correct year. He has no time to think about your catchphrase. No, that's fun. And you also just hurried me up moments earlier. So I thought I'd really...

I mean, to hire you now, I was just saying like, you were asking if there were already questions. I was like, I know nothing to ask questions about. I'd like to hear the story. It's a very good point, Jess. What year was this again, sorry? Built in 784. That's a good year.

And there it is. I do feel good. 13, oh, sorry, fuck, three years later, it was bought by the Royal Navy for about 2,000 pounds in 1787. That's also a good year. And also, a good amount of pounds. Yeah, happy to have that. Yeah.

It was 91 feet long, which seems pretty long to me, but apparently it's not that long for a ship. How many feet, sorry? 91. It sounds like a lot, right? I have no idea what that means. Well, okay, think about. I'd have like 1,000 feet long.

Yeah, think about like, think about like, okay, you go to subway, you get a foot long sup sup. Yeah that's a lot of subs. Getting 91 of those that's a few but it's not it's like it's not. Is it true that their subs aren't even a foot long? I believe that is true. I believe that is true. That's weird. Is that an American foot? Are their feet short? They famously have small feet. Very dainty though. Yeah. The boat was purchased by the Navy to transport bread fruit plants from that. Subway. Eat fresh.

Sure it is. Subway bought it. Have you heard of bread fruit plants? I've never heard of them. Bread fruit. Yeah. Bread fruit. Yeah.

Wait, is that because it's obvious that I should know it or that. Bread fruit. Bread fruit. It sounds like a weed made up sort of thing. Is there one go off? Bread fruit and plants. Oh, sorry. Whoopsies. Bread fruit. So they are the seeds, loads of bread. Yeah, yeah. Oh, nice to meet you. You put the plant in the oven.

Well, the whole thing? Heat it 90 degrees, Celsius. That's not fair enough. Because it's not, wait, that's worse. Look, whatever. So they bought the boat or the ship. I'm going to call it a boat or a ship. It's a ship, it's not a boat, but you know what I mean. Anyway, it's like 91 feet, it's probably a boat, not a ship.

You know what I mean? Okay, great, that's fun. Okay, so they bought the boat to transport these plants from Tahiti to the colonies in the West Indies. Did you discover what a breadfruit plant is? I saw them. Yeah, I don't think it's ever really taken off like I thought it was going to. Their idea was to get it because it was a cheap source of food for slaves. So it's it.

I wouldn't back there is. I wish. I wish. I had an ask. Yeah. the cheap source of food for slaves. Everyone back there is a man. I wish I had an ass. Yeah. The bounty had it. Like he said, I wish I had an ass. And I was like, we all wish you had an ass. I wish I had an ass. But then I realized after that, you'd said,

I wish I hadn't asked. But you still stopped to let everyone know. Yeah. That little. I needed to know The bounty had its captain's quarters converted into a greenhouse for the plants The captain would have been fucking piss. You just graduated to be a captain He was I mean he that's blind I don't think he's even a captain because the boat's not big enough. He's only a left-handed or a lieutenant.

So, don't even bother having a captain on board. No, it's just not required. I think he would have been given the title that was required for the size of the boat, I think. Right, so it's like, your car's so small, you don't need a license for that, mate. Well, you don't need a captain's license. You could be a left-handed.

You don't need a truck driver's license with this. Yeah. Small car. So, semi-ijid is what we mean. It has been so pissed off. It's like a line of them that giving all their orders. Thank you Captain. Captain, Lieutenant. Oh, come on.

I only got a 91 foot of bligh. You're a pussy bligh. You ain't got shit bligh. I'm not giving you a Captain's quarters. You got a Lieutenant's quarters. You know what that means. Greenhouse. You're a lieutenant's quarters. You know what that means. Greenhouse You're in the greenhouse He still did have he had his own quarters with like on sweet and like a

Pantry I think I read maybe a Look yeah, he had a nice spot, but it meant that they replace his bathroom with a shed. Ah, yes He had a shed afraid your partner and well no and everything was in there. I was fully stocked. Fully stocked with three bags of fertilizer. I got a lot of concrete bags. They've gone bad so they've actually set as blocks. But because this was taken up he was you know moved on a different area. I just meant that everyone's space was reduced basically. He didn't cop at so bad but everyone else you know was a little bit more on top of each other you know all the officers and the rest of

the crew. On top of each other. In a way. It sounds like a bloody party ship. Yeah it sounds like they've been smoking the greenhouse. At times this is a bit of a party ship but that's later on. So left town, do we? They hit international waters. Anything goes. If you do. You say lieutenant, or it's left-handed, right? In England and Australia.

And lieutenant in America is that right? I don't know what Australia is. I think England is left-handed. Okay. We steal most of their things. Yeah, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna just say left-handed, but I just need you guys to know

that you know. That I know that I'm not sure. Okay. Okay, great, right. Left turn up William Bly was chosen to lead the expedition. Man, you just talked about before. Surantini Hopkins betrayed him in the bounty. Great. Bly was born in Plymouth in 1754. Oh, good. Here's previous experience included being Captain Cook's chief navigator on his final voyage when Bly was only 21. You know you guys know Captain Cook.

I will recognize the name William Blah and I didn't know where from. That would make sense. Yeah well this is also this probably is his most famous story but yeah he he had some cred from previous. So he would have watched Captain Cook. He was right up there with Captain Cook. Yeah he was in and about him. Was he there when Captain Cook. Yeah, he was in and about him was the air but was he there when the captain cook was murdered That well that was last expedition. Yeah, follow trip He actually no, I think he might have gone on one more after the murder, but um He's second-volatile trip. It was cold. He died. We can't at cookies

For some reason they could pretend that the captain's still alive. Oh For some reason they're going to pretend that the captain's still alive. Oh, our starboard band. Oh, and you ought to give me, give your money to Lieutenant Bligh. Well, we better do what they say. I need Captain Zorders. Captain Zorders. I don't want to take your money, boys, but I mean, I'm, you know, Captain Zorders. I don't want to bloody walk the plank.

Yeah. You know what he's like. Yeah, you know how he could be. He's the bad cop. I'm the good guy. Pay the good guy. After the American War of Independence in 1783, the British Navy was reduced in, there's so many years to do it every time. Yeah, I'm not gonna do it every time. So I love your name check and historical events. It's amazing. Left front is out here. Yeah, that's right. So the British Navy was reduced in size at that point and there was a lot less to do for

Naval type guys like boy and a couple of years later So he had all this downtime and it was on half-page just on the land He's he's not a land lover, you know, he's a Boatsman loves this the high seas So he wasn't loving it loves to kiss the fish. Yeah, I think I'm throwing back. He loves to kiss the fish. Yeah, big kiss fish. I throw him back. He loves to kiss the fish. We're a rex. He loves it. What do you love to do, Will?

I love to kiss the fish. I love him. I love him. A couple of years later, after a period of downtime, Blair was appointed as the captain of the Britannia. Oh, he did get to be a captain. Sorry. Yeah, but that was a privately owned boat.

So he just bought his own title. Well, he didn't buy. I mean, he was given to be a captain. So yeah, but that was a privately owned boat. So he just bought his own title. Well, he didn't buy, I mean, he was given that role and- On the Britannia. It's a different thing, the Britannia. And it was great. Yeah, it was on a military role because it was just a merchant ship, basically.

Right, so it's like getting a golf cart and saying, I'm the captain of this. I'm the captain of this golf cart. It was a big old boat. I'm the captain of my cart. Yeah the captain of this golf cart. There's a big old boat. I'm the captain of my cart. Yeah, yeah. It was a... She's on captain right now.

Yes. When my girlfriend moved in to my place, she said, when you're out, I'll be second in charge. Which means... Who's she putting in charge? You got a pet or something? No, it's just us. She just doesn't want to be. She doesn't want the responsibility of it.

So when you're at home, she's dead in charge? I guess you. Or when you're at home, she's first in charge. Oh, I'm sorry. Did you have to be faster than that at the time? Actually, no, we weren't talking about if I have a border house. She doesn't want the economic or risk of going in on the loan, but she would want to be second in charge when I wasn't there.

I said, no, what? She said, we tell the banks, he's second in charge when I'm there. Please don't put her on the lease, on the loan, but just know, just note down some of it can, that if I'm out, she's second in charge. I wanted to draw a contract saying that she was the second in charge. That's adorable. Like the junior vice president of our house. I just wonder who you'd have in charge.

Maybe the fridge. Yeah, the fridge is your most trustworthy. Yeah, the fridge is it. I don't trust my fridge at all. But it never turns off the shit. The fridge is going to be on for 25 years and not go up. Yeah, but mind like it's like if there's an issue with the seal or something And sometimes I think it's closed properly and it really annoys me. Oh, you can't put the seal in job No, the seal can't be in charge. We trust it with the fish

It keeps kissing them. It loves the fish. I loved a kiss the fish. It was such a weird thing for you to say I think the people say I've never never never heard it I've coined it. He loves to thing the people say? I've never heard it. I've never heard it. I've loved it. He loves to kiss the fish. What does that mean? A captain cooks like, hey, Dars, I want you guys to give a, everybody give a fish to really black. To black kiss.

He loves it. Oh god, because we better do what he says. Better get me to give me a fish, everyone. I'll be walking the plank. So on the Britannia, he was getting paid well, but it wasn't really what he wanted to do He's he wanted to be out there working for the Navy, you know, yeah So after a couple years working on the Britannia. He took a job on the bounty as the lieutenant and

The it wasn't much more prestigious job, but the pay was a big drop. It was less than 20%. Whoa, that's interesting. Which is a crazy pay cut to take. But obviously that just shows how much you wanted it to kiss the fish. And is it true? Well, I mean, the Britannia had fish too, you know. It's more than just the fish for him and the kisses.

Is it true that the... It's nothing more more than the meadow kisses. Fishikisses. I love a Fishikisses. Is it true that English ships get their names from whatever your favorite book is or your favorite chocolate bar? Yeah. So if you'd like to read the Encyclopedia Britannia, close enough, close enough. Britannia. Or you, if you like to read the, uh, eat the, the bounty chocolate bar. Or if you like to eat the Britannia chocolate bar or read the bounty, which is a book about this story. But, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but Antis journey was to sail the Pacific by a Cape Horn. Pick up the breadfruit plants from Tahiti. Cape Horn. Go West.

Woo! Across the Indian Atlantic oceans onto the West Indies, completing this journey would have the bounty circumnavigating the Earth. That's a big trip, guys. All the way around. All the way from Cape Horn baby. All right get on not get on at the horn get on not the horn then get off at the horn. There it is. There it is. He did it. I like it.

Many of Blis crew on the bounty were personally selected by him. Man who he had worked with. Kissed on the Captain Cook voyage and kissed with the fish. Personally. Kiss me then the fish. And kiss me then the fish. I'll tell you who's better. That will be how you are ranked on the ship. Some of them with Captain Cook and some of them he knew from his time on the Britannia. His crew included Fletcher Christian, a 23 year old man from wealthy family from Northwest England. Though Christians upbringing was comfortable in terms of money, he did do a rough as well. His father died when he was only four years old Christian that is not the dad and he died at four but he was very prolific in the bedroom and by his teens. He spread his seat far and wide. The father was the the bread winner so to speak the breadfruit winner and he

after he died the family went bankrupt in Christian's teens. And so he had been wealthy, then they'd lost it all when the dad was gone? Yeah, that's... I mean, it seems like for such a well-documented thing, even all the characters in this have, like, different... There's real varied stories about them all. So I'm just going off the ones that I read the most of. In this case, finally enough, I know I always give you shit about Wikipedia, but Wikipedia was seemed pretty good. There you go. There you go. A little shout out to Wikipedia. If I had an aim I should after what I read, I'd call it the Wikipedia. But so he started getting into sailing. That was a way, he wasn't, I think he was able to afford

university because whereas his older siblings could, but in. So the money ran out that quick. Yeah, well ran out over 10 years, I mean, so his parents, you know, there was enough money to get the, but some of his siblings through university, we're not all of them. So he started going on the boats, he saw that as a way of making a, you know, a nice career. And he was out with

Blahe to the West Indies a couple of times on the Britannia. Britannia. And in that time under under Blahe, he learned how to become a skilled navigator. Oh, he'd be handy on road trips, wouldn't he? Oh, very handy in the map. He could get around a satnav or anything. I remember that brief time satnav's were a thing. Remember the time before satnav's when you have to use, mel ways. There's still mel ways in my car. I mean, it's obviously completely out daily Mailways, of course, anything Melbourne ways is the Melbourne specific map. Yeah, it's a But I've still got one of my car from 2007 my dad gave it to me for my like 17th birthday

Yeah, I got mine when I got my first car so it would have been mine would be a 2008 or 2009 How good? I've had a few friends laugh at that. Laugh at them. But one day I reckon it's going to save me. I agree. The crew were quite young on the bounty. Most were under 30 years old.

And there was a couple of words sort of late 30s. But there were also a couple of teenagers, a couple of 15 year olds. Bly was 33 at the beginning of the year. Oh, imagine being that old. But obviously relatively young for the at the beginning of the year. Oh, imagine being that old. But obviously relatively young for the go and charge of the boat. Death, death awaits. It's so near. Imagine death being that near. It's pretty near. I imagine in the 1790s it is pretty near at 33.

But even now at 33, you'd just be, you think you'd just sort of sit and wait for death. Yeah, Matt, how are you again? I can see a lot. Yeah, go towards it, Matt. After frustrating delays due to the weather and awaiting orders, they set off in late 1787 for Tahiti to pick up those mother-flip and bread-fruit plants. Sick of these mother-flip and bread-fruit plants on this mother-flippin' ship. The dodgy weather and delayed start of the journey

made the success of the plant root via Cape Horn less likely. So, Bly, thinking ahead, he's like, he asks his superiors, hey, if it doesn't go well, can I go around the Cape of Good Hope instead, which is obviously a much more hopeful sounding name. It's got hope in it.

I like that. And they said he could, if need be. Bligh was a strict disciplinarian, possibly learned serving under Captain James Cook, go and mention just before. But early in the trip he reported no need to enforce any of that discipline, and he wrote both men and officers officers tractable and well-disposed and cheerfulness and content in the countenance of everyone. Language is so weird back then, I have no idea what that means. Everyone has a second. What was that means? That's new language for you. I took out the A. For expediency. What does it means?

What is that means? And it sounds like they should have been happy because he replaced the traditional maybe system of four hours on For-House Off-Judy into four hours on and eight hours off. Okay, that sounds like they're gonna be, they get to the final set of four hours and there's no one left. Hang on.

Uh-oh. The poop deck is very empty. Everyone's in the hammock. No one's swabbing it. This has gone, this has gone hardly wrong. I'm back to the great room But I was keen to keep the crew happy and there was no real trouble early on apart from finding out that the ship surgeon Thomas Huggin was a drunk and a bit of an all-round loose unit. Oh He was just amputating things that didn't need to be amputated

Come here. I want your tello. There is it. All right, so you're the surgeon. There's nothing too important in the story about this guy. But I just found that it's an unfortunate guy to be a drunk. I know, that's the story. You're surgeon. That's a guy you want with a steady hand and a sober heart and mind.

Blind, fletched Christians' relationship continue to be warm. With why really taking Christian under his wing, they sort of had a bit of a father son relationship, a bit of a mental mentee thing going on. So, one's 33, one's in their 20s. 23. Interesting. Yeah. Imagine father Sonia, it is a young dad, he was only 10 at the time obviously. F But fletch is don't fletch it Whatever he's now. His dad was only four, but he had very strong swimmers. Oh, yeah Okay, they wouldn't stop swimming. Wow

So and I watch a little docker about now, but they were mentioning how also bligh only had daughters So he wanted a son to show the ropes It sounds a bit like he chose, though, Christian. I only have daughters. You have a son. I only have daughters. I only have a Porsche and I only have daughters. And he, yeah, so there was sort of the way that girl was saying it. This, who was a distant relation of Fletcher. He's like, you know, it was a perfect matching of man who wanted to have a son and a boy who didn't have a dad. I love when people find out that they're related, but distantly to a, to a, like a famous person.

It was like a direct descendant. Like, yeah, I think he had a Christian as his surname. Then they always talk about them, like they know them. It's like that person died 250 years ago. Exactly, you know, you know, they know it all. You know, you're making an assumption, and it could be true, but they could've also just been mates. It could've been a lot.

Yes, yes, yes, the thing about, went into a friend's accent then. That was important. Is that what that was? Yeah, so the thing about the... Bommu, Bommu, William Blies. Here's my 12th uncle, third division champion of this snooker. And of course, I also played snooker in primary school.

So you could see the direct lineage, I've gone into a bit of a Russian now. I think it's my 12th uncle my third division my family travel a lot and many times I've thought I should give it up but no it was sold to Ron for my uncle my 12th uncle crashed the car day oh man been dead for four minutes. So their relationship was quite warm and on March the 2nd, 1788, bligh promoted Christian to the rank of April post. On the 12th, 1788, he proposed marriage. I mean, you only had to wait till the end of the word to find out that wasn't the case. Oh, shots fired.

I was just trying to be a phone mate. Matt's just trying to destroy people left-front and seconded. Yeah, go on, what happened then on the second of March? He promoted. Okay. Well, for those at home, he promoted Christian to the rank of acting lieutenant, which meant that rankin' wise, he became the second in command. Second in charge, when he was away. Which knocked John Fryer one place down the second in command. Second in charge when he was away.

Which not John Fryer won place down the chain of command. Oh, John's gonna, I don't know the story here, but the mutiny's gonna be that. That is bullshit. That's like favoritism for your fake son. It would have been annoying, but apparently Fryer didn't show any outward signs of the time that he was annoyed by it. So I've got to talk about your feelings man. It did end, it did lead to worsening relationships between Friar and Bli. Around a week after the

promotion, unrelated but around a week after that the first bit of trouble within the crew fled up. I'm not sure it's unrelated. Resulting in Bliar ordering the flogging of Matthew Quintal, he was an able semen in his early 20s. He was punished for insolence and mutinous behavior, receiving 12 lashes. It's pretty classic Matthew behavior, don't you think? Oh, totally.

12 lashes, is that a bad punishment? What's that? I think getting hit 12, is that a lot? Yeah, I think that sends a lot. It's been hit, but having the shit hit out of you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If you're gonna get a hit, do you want it to be 12 times? No, I just wanted if 12 was like low and it could be 50, you know.

Let me ask you, yes, would you prefer 12? Would you prefer 50? Because that's quite a row at round number. In that situation. But it 12 is a dozen. Yeah. Do you see that as a round number and as well? 12 doesn't bother me as much.

12 inches is a foot, not a subway though. Interesting question there, Dave. I think in that circumstance, I would be able to bend the rules and accept 12 because 50 would probably kill me. Right. Well, that just means you've chosen life over round numbers. Yeah, yeah, I've got, you got to have the courage of your convictions is what I think.

I will take 50. And I'll see you. I need to double it. You don't even have a thing about round numbers. Yeah, that's what even your issue. But I do it just to prove just wrong. Because that sounds stubborn I am. Okay, that's real stubborn anyway.

Well then, get out the lash. In April, the ship sailed towards Cape Horn, which is like a down south of South America. Yeah it is. But some of the most full on weather blight ever experienced hit them there. That's some bad weather in Cape Horn did they? They did. What kind of weather? That was very horny.

Yeah baby. So some of the most full on weather hit him, they were trying to get around, so they're trying to get around so they're trying to get up and around or down and around the horn Down around the horn There's so many times I've been trying to navigate the horn trying to get down then I'm around Suddenly I'm upside down the horn and no one's had a good time So they time after time they're pushing pushing to get down pushing to go south and around the horn and they I did not I did not foresee this It was getting a little windy down below what's it?

You shouldn't have a curry What it's not good day food What? It's not good Dave food. Not good Dave food. No Dave food. Dave food. It's date night and you have an a curry y'all know, a big mistake. I'm not there.

I'm ready. We're talking about a ship here. We're talking about a boat here. It's only 91 feet long and that is pretty small around there on the mom's own. Don't know what you say. 91 feet. My god, I've seen bigger. Boats.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, it's amazing how over time they've improved. So they're actually trying to go south and around and they time and time again they'll get pushed back by the weather. At one point, two weeks after they were trying, they were further north and when they started. Oh my god. So just because of the wind. Because of the wind, impossible, because the Dave's curry, I guess, somehow. So they tried, they were trying for weeks and

but to the delight of the Nackad crew, Bllyde decided to go with Plant B and they sailed for Cape of Good Hope, which is south of South Africa. That's like it's a long way to go. Yeah, so they added a lot of miles to the journey. So that's why they wanted to go round the horn. It's like tens of thousands of miles to the journey. It's just going all right, we'll go the other way around. Although I mean they were still coming around.

It wasn't just on the other side of the horn of the Cape Horn. But they're trying to go up, obviously South America is closer to the Caribbean or they're trying to get there in Africa. Because they've got to go past Asia or Australia. Yes, which is what they do. That's how we get involved very briefly when they stop. Anyway, um, no, not sizzle, I just will breeze balls that later. Um, sizzle, sizzle map. I guess but this other route was less challenging I suppose. And by May 788, they had arrived at the

south end of Africa at Falsbay. Or did they? Where they set up camp for a month or so to repair things that needed to be repaired. Sounds like a lie. Pick up some food and drink from the shops. After which they moved on to Truth Bay. Which is a lie. No, yes they did. While at Falsbay, Bligh lent Christian some cash.

Some think that this was the cause of some tension between the two. Casino. What are they spending, obviously, their stops they can buy. Yeah, they were there for a couple months. So it was a nice gesture on Bligh's part, but apparently Bligh didn't let, didn't miss chances to bring it up. So it became a bit of a... No, not one of those.

Hey, yeah, yeah, yeah, having a good day. Yeah, feeling like... Aren't you about that little shark tooth necklace you got there? That's pretty cool, yeah? Sure. Where'd you get the money for that? Oh, for me! Oh, I'm just interesting.

You're welcome. That's cool, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Cool shark tooth necklace. Shaka, bro. From Foss Bay, loaded up with goodies from the supermarket, the bounty forged on with its journey. They got Pringles. They got a Gatorade. They got some bananas, Logii, potassium. That's good energy. You won't crash. Energy. Musely bars. They're good for the pocket.

Yeah, and again, like like low GI just a good snack Good neck. I don't know they got some fish the Kistam, but uh, but who paid for that fish? Oh, no, that's right me I'll pick for you me I can see how that would great on you But it was a sweet harmony Is it a harmony for one person does it? It is the way Dave does it. No one man or Kustra.

I don't know how you do it. He's a beautiful angel. He's a songbird of our generation. I've been called worse. I'm worse than the songbird of your generation. Hard to believe I know. Hard to believe. That was once called the songbird of my year of birth, which is much worse than a generation.

Fuck. It's true, that is a good point. So, the next stop was Adventure Bay in Tasmania. Oh fuck yeah, Adventure Bay. Oh, that's much better than Australia. They got trampolines. They got mini golf. They got rock climbing. Now you can start using Blas money to get a fact.

Oh, that's so cool. Kai hacking. Oh, they got a Ripley's believe it or not. They got a Ripley's believe it or not. Bungie jumping. Bungie jumping. They've got a high rope course. They've got the snooker hole where my 12th uncle

learnt to be. Oh. One of those sex swings. And a flying fox. A little bit of a fox. But you can actually, for a little bit extra, you can ride the flying fox into the sex swing. Yeah. Which they call the cape of horn.

That's not it. Cape Horn? Cape of horn. Cape of horn. Well, it's a little different. It's a trademark. It's a trademark. Cape of horn. And you have to wear a cape. Which honestly, I prefer cape of a little different. It's a trademark. It's a trademark. I think it's a trademark.

And you have to wear a cape. Which honestly, I prefer cape of horn. Yeah. It's more to the point. It is. Even though it's more. It's more words, somehow. Is he borrowing money just to get t-shirts at all these

destinations? So when he goes back to his wife, he's like, she got where I was, baby. T-Tails. Adventure Bay. Established, 1787. That sounds fun. Let's go to adventure bay. First live show adventure bay Tasmania. Dan and Tazzy were Dan Hart first bugged me

about you doing a Simpson's episode. He must be very happy. And we never even mentioned him on the episode because it was a golden hat one. Good job Dan Hart. You did it. Sorry, sorry that you had to wait half way for the next episode to hear it. Well in a lot of ways he didn't do it because he, the pressure on Dave to do Dan's topic was Built, built, built up, built over a year and I was only when, uh... But what do you men by that? So when the golden hat struck. That's right, but thank you.

You couldn't give a shit about Dan Hart's suggestions, obviously. He's the Dan Hart of the podcast, I've said that many times. Love you, Dan Hart. You said he's the, oh, I get the heart of the book. Okay, that took me a sec, and I'm embarrassed I had to ask the question. So this leg of the journey took around seven weeks to go from Africa to Tasmania. Yep. Oh, that's a pretty good time.

They hung out in Adventure Bay fishing. Kissing him. Yep, that's pretty good time. They hung out in adventure bay fishing Kissing him collecting water and timber. Kissing them chilling out for a bit kiss the timber recuperating kiss and the recuperation Satera There was a little bit of tension building with blire having was a Sexual tension a little bit of tension tension building in Blas pants and the caper horn was in his pants am I right? He could go a jelly rudgering sometime. That's like a boating thing. Dave and my

wrong. That's true. The the pirate flag the Skull and Cross Bans is often called the jelly rudger. Oh yeah. Thank you very much. Well done. But if you see one run into the ocean and swim, turn your GPS on and follow the direction. So yeah, there was a little bit of tension building up and Blire had to assert his authority over his offices when they were there was increasing discontent. In one instance, Blire withdrew rations from the ship's carpenter for refusing to follow orders? What kind of orders must he have used?

So the way I read it was that he's like, you're cutting the wood wrong. And the carp was like, just let me fucking cut the wood out. I wanna cut. And he's like, you're doing it wrong. And he's like, no, I'm not. And he's like, do it my way.

And he's like, no. And he goes, go to the back to the ship. And they're going, I'm not. And he's like, do it my way. And he's like, no. And he goes, go to the back to the ship. And he goes, I'm not going to the ship. And he's like, I'm not my carpenter. And as that's it, I'm cutting your food. And he goes, all right, I'll cut the wood down. You fucking want it, fuck. Is that verbatim?

verbatim. It's that. That's interesting. Can I remind you that the insolent one on Shackleton's expedition Mick Nish was also the carpenter on board Really? Oh, that's so funny. And I imagine this carpenter is also going to miss out on the polar metal

Yeah, I agree. I think you're right because they didn't go to Antarctica. Yeah, that's probably why but also because of this woodcutting nonsense also because of this wood cutting nonsense. Nonsense. That's funny, they're away. They're not as... Yeah, Jesus, he was a bit on upstart. And he was just the start of it. And we had this guy named withheld and also the Shackon and Man. There were more examples of tension as the bantie sailed the final leg of the outbound journey to Tahiti, but probably no more than you would expect

on such a voyage, you know. I don't think at this stage are reckon a lot of voyages have these little bits and pieces of action. Yeah, okay, right. Put a group of people together in a kind of stressful situation. There's going to be tension. I don't know anyone footer. It's not very big.

It's not very big. They did lose. The approximately 91 foot long subs. She talked over me a lot, Jess. I don't know if you have any of this. They did lose an able semen named James Valentine due to incompetence on the part of the drunken surgeon, Huggin.

Oh, no, what happened to him? Uh, Valentine. Can he tie that out? Yeah. Just whoops. Oh, you've got to hit it. You've got to hit it. I know what will help.

I'll do it. It's not far off. I don't know. But at the same time, I think back then this was some sort of normal practice, but Valentine was suffering from asthma, and it's treatment, Huggins used blood letting. Oh, no.

But he cooked it, and Valentine ended up dying from a blood infection. Shit. But in fairness, blood letting is bullshit anyway. Yeah. He covered it up. He didn't want them to know that he fucked it So he he told him that he died of scurvy and then everyone had to get treated for scurvy And that wasn't a thing

I'm out of really sorry that I jumped in there when I said bloodletting I was just excited because I thought I knew the answer and it turns out I did. It turns out I did but at the same time it didn't warrant jumping over you like that and I'm really sorry. Hey, look I don't mind I don't mind a bit of jumping. I think when you do the report that's just how it goes. I was just doing it because you often pick on me for that but you probably do it to me more than I do it to you and I just wanted you to be aware of that. Yeah and with a direct example way.

Absolutely. So we roll on the same page. And I want to apologize and I will definitely. I look, I want to apologize. Feel a little more mindful of that. Please don't be. Now we'll maybe sort of get rid of this tension here is if you both let out some blood. Good call.

Together. Get a little blood tension building up in my veins. I've got too much blood in me. What's wrong with you? Too much blood. Oh yeah? Put it in this bucket. You'll feel better.

Oh yeah? I touched a dirty thing with your wound. Oh no. Rub your wound in that bucket of rusty nails. Alright, alright. Dr Zorders. You had 15 vodka this morning. Alright.

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the breadfruit plants. It was all very nice and easy. He gave some staff, got the bread plants in return. They gave him heart's blood, they were happily receiving it. And he's body. Take him. Oh yeah, he did, did I say that? Yeah, I would. Yeah, he did. The bounty dropped that? Yeah, I would have. Yeah, he did. The bounty dropped at Sankar and the crew got ready for a lengthy stay in order to ready the plans for the trip to the West Indies.

During the stay, the crew had a real fun time. The work was pretty easy and many of the men met local women and a lot of boning happened. Some settled down into relationships and others just boomed around. Wow. Bomed around, did they? Yeah. Do you think in those households are the Navy boys the first in charge? Or do you think their their partners are a second in charge? No, I think that the Navy people are second in charge because

they are guests of the Thai people. But only when their partners are out. Yeah that's right. When they leave they become first in charge. Interesting. Fletcher Christian fell for a Tahitian woman named Mao Tuah. And this is I'm going to play out what happened next in my mind. Are you going to act it out? Do you think in your mind? In my mind I'm going to do it very quietly. No, I'm going to do it out loud. Thank you. So this is sort of how it went. Let's see if you guys think this is a good or fucked.

I'm falling for you, Mauritua. But we've got to do some about this name. It's a bloody mouthful. I'm going to shorten it to Isabella. So you changed her name to Isabella. Like, you know how fucked, back then, the colonialists are just like, alright, I'm gonna come here and change this city name. No, no, it's not that anymore. It's this, but doing it to a human,

right in front of him. And it's nothing even like a pet name. It's not like Michelle or something like that. It's not even similar to it. It's surely if you're gonna anyway if it what like and you know where I got the name from it's the name of an old girlfriend. Oh it's brutal. If I may sorry just to jump in as a woman I I don't really understand where you're coming from here because my name is Jess now But once I find a man. Yeah, I Guess I'll be whatever he named me But on the flip side I will be first in charge at home. Oh, that's the trade off. You're right off So I'd be one of the name he chooses and

Jess is a mouthful. Yeah, Jess. Jess. So, Yuck. There's a girl behind this. Hi, I'm Dave, what's your name? What do you want to call me? Whatever you want it to be, baby.

That's how I would say it personally, but that's because I am just charming. So it sounds like he's just a bit of a role player. He just wants to bring Becky's old girlfriend. Yeah. For Moutour, it's a bit fucked up. Yeah. Um, Blycaptus Diggin's pants. I'm keen by the way. But was, did you say, sorry, I don't know, he just think that I need a huge maths thing to. I said I'm kidding, by the way. I just want to be very

pretty. I think you said I'm keen by the way. Keen for changing your name to whatever. No, I'm definitely not. My name's Jess. And Matt, who, what did Blight do? Blight kept his dick in his pants, but was okay with his crew's activities, saying the allumance of dissipation are beyond anything that can be conceived. I think he's saying.

Call on whatever you want. He's just saying, look, I mean, there are women here, and there aren't any on the boat. I always get him. The allumance of dissipation. I'll be young. Disappation that can be conceived. I think he's saying it's just hard.

You would have believed it. It's just hard to control yourself. Okay. But he managed to control himself. Yeah, he was, I think he was married back home. Oh, good boy. As some of the others were as well. No, bad boys. While he was cool with the

boning, he still expected them to satisfactorily complete their duties. On this score he was increasingly disappointed feeling that his men were becoming slacker. It was starting to really piss him off. Hey, but not on my time. Yeah. Yeah. Don't you, Debbie, bat on my time. Bone on your own. But when you're on the ship, keep it in your mouth. That's a no bones, aren't you? That's a no bones, aren't you?

The greenhouse is a known bone zone. Yeah. You just said known bones. That's a no. That's the opposite. So if you want to come on him, the greenhouse is a known bone zone. Yeah, but we don't want it to be anymore.

Yeah, stop it. Yeah. Only come alone to the no bone zone. Well, I've come alone to the known bones zone with being cooler. So many rhymes. I'm so confused. Many of his officers coped discipline reaction and flature Christian was no different. Uh-ohs. His boy. Floggings were happening more regularly regularly not in the bone zone it's a different kind of flogging is that a universal thing flogging no is that even anything I don't know it is it is it flogging I don't know we flogged there's something don't you yeah flogged you've blog Oh that's a sweet food. The tension was building in the room.

Let out the blood. The blood, the blood. The blood. That seems worse. That's no good. So flocking's were happening more regularly after barely happening at all on the journey out there. You know, there was only a couple of instances.

Six weeks into the Tahitian stay, Hagen died of booze-related ailments. This is the booze boy. Oh, that's no good. After copping a floggan, Krumann William must prat, along with John Millwood and Charles Churchill deserted, taking a boat as well as Guns and ammo. They got away, but we found three weeks later, and as punishment for their desertion,

we're flogged. So he fled a flogging and he got flogged in return, on return. That doesn't sound like that big punishment, is it? He's an additional amount of it. All right, mate, we'll give you a flog to see what you think. No, but like, you're running to escape a vlogging. When you get caught, it should be a waste of time. At least it's double-flogging.

So if you think though, if they were out running away from a death penalty, for example, what do you think the appropriate penalty should then be? Well, I'll kill you, and then I'll vlog you. Interesting. I reckon it's tricky, though, because he also wants them to help. Help. Yeah see and a vlogging is probably already not great for their ability to plant plants.

Work continued with over a thousand breadfruit plants, pot it and ready for the journey. Similar short breadfruit is. I think it's some sort of a wheat thing. It's just like the grow seeds and you can eat them. Looking it up. With many of the crew finding laugh on the island being idyllic apart from obviously the floggan, it was hard, it was hard to swallow that they were having to re-border ship and leave it all behind. I mean I can see that, but I mean they signed up. At the end of a holiday it is hard, but you've got the ticket back, you've got to use it.

And in early April 1789 the end of a holiday. It is hard, but you've got the ticket back. You've got to use it. And in early April 1789, the bounty sets sail again. So everyone got on board. Everyone got on board. Oh. If I can jump in. Yes. Bread fruit, like this is what it looks like. Looks like a, it looks like lemons.

Sucker fruit. Lemons that have like crap, the herpes. Ooh. And it's a, I can see what it's available. It's a basis of flowering tree in the mulberry and jackfruit family. So it's not, it's got nothing to do with bread.

I don't know if it's bread, but it does have some of the fruit. There we go. That's the bay of truth versus the bay of false. I wonder why that was so into bread fruit. And the bay of adventure. The eating one of those has been an advantage. Very interesting.

There you go. Sorry. Despite the crew's disappointment in having to leave, I'm glad to clear that up, because what I said was wrong. It's not, yeah, it's not wheat or... It's saying, I think I just, I jump to that conclusion. Fair enough.

Look, you're only human. Thanks, Jess. Despite the crew's disappointment in having to leave prominent historians so that they were not yet considering mutiny. Is this the distant relatives they imagined? Yeah. Comitying on people that didn't in a way were a hundred years ago. I think they go on off books and stuff. People keep journals back then.

I wish I did. Back then? Yeah. Yeah, what was you did too? I imagined all the things I could remember that I did. Back then, yeah. Shout, we wish you did too. I imagine all the things I could remember that I did. Floggan, bone and potten, etc. I imagine all the three activities, these were the main big ones, yeah. Over the following weeks after setting sail from Tahiti, I became more brutal with this treatment of the crew, And some say it was also becoming a little more paranoid.

Two or three weeks after leaving Tahiti, they arrived in Namooka. In what is now known as Tonga. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Taking a different turn, humming instead of singing. Oh, it's a nice song. 75 episodes, everybody. take in a different turn. Humming instead of singing. Oh, it's a nice pleasure. 75 episodes, everybody.

It's a new chapter. These were the humming ears. Never look back she said. Never look back. Blige gave Christian a difficult task of going ashore to get supplies from the locals. But they were a little bit hostile to him. He came back empty handed and

Bly called him a damn cowardly rascal. Oh, you're rascal? Oh, you're rascal. Yeah, rascal softens it a bit. Where is school's care? Cowardly rascal. Then he russled his hair. Yeah, and then he gave him a treat.

During this time, when they were anchored there, and anchor, I guess not the main anchor, was also stolen from the ship, thought to be by the locals, resulting in blibrating Christian further. Bligh also accused Christian of stealing coconuts then punish the entire crew for it. Wow.

Right. He did it. Now you all get flogged. Yeah, so it's a bit like he's enjoying flogging. Yeah, so I feel like he's enjoying vlogging. Yeah, it's not gonna taste for the vlog master The fogmasse he do the vlogging He doesn't do the vlogging. What about the person who does the I'm not sure if there's one guy What if he's one guy who's just his main role is to vlog?

They don't hate him But then you're here to get some trouble. He's going to vlog himself. Yeah, I reckon about Don't worry Larry. We know you're just doing your job. Durekin? No, Ricken. That's nice. Nothing personal, Mr. You know what happens if Larry doesn't vlog?

He just has to have the day off. And he loves to work. He loves it. He doesn't love to vlog, but he loves to work. Yeah, he's good to go. And vlogging is working, so it's a confusing dichotomy. He struggles. The tough treatment was starting to loves to work. Yeah, it's good to go. And it's working. So it's a, it's a confusing dichotomy. But the tough treatment was starting to get to Christian. He was, he was considering doing a runner. Not, not a runner. So obviously

you need to get in a boat or a floater. Oh, he's going to do a floater. He's going to do a floater. It doesn't quite work. But when some other members of the crew found out his intentions, they convinced him to stay as he would have the overwhelming support of the crew to take control of the ship from Blythe. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know.'ve been through this. Stop reading my diary. Stop it. I hit it under my pillow. I don't think he'd look there. It was one of these guys who was trying to tell him that he would have support if he looked to Mutiny. Was a man named George Stuart. My bloody, great, great, great grandfather. That's why I know.

He was actually what he was thinking about. You would know what he felt the time. I knew what he felt. Yeah, I the time and you already felt yeah, you already felt he felt really good He felt empowered he felt emboldened Oh, and he felt like you know finally you could get Christian on side They could do anything. Oh Yeah, he actually he said probably told Christian that the the rest of the crew were ripe for anything ripe like the breadfruit Yeah Christian spoke to man including Matthew Quintel that the rest of the crew were ripe for anything. Ripe like the breadfruit. Yeah.

Christian spoke to man, including Matthew Quintel, the one of the first men of Coppa Flogging, Edward Young and Isaac Martin, and they gave him the confidence that he had the support of the men. After thinking hard on it, he had a long night, sleepless night, thinking about it early the next morning on April the 28th 1789

He decided it was go time. Oh my god So this is now the day. Yeah, yeah, it happens quite quickly. It's surprising. It sounds like it's quite easy Christian quickly gained control of the top deck With the help of his fellow mutiny is then he went down a blast cabin He took out a few people on the way. Not taking him out, wasn't killing him. And I'm just like, hey, shh. If you're against me, then just shush up, please.

And I'll know. Oh, fuck, is this... No talking. Is this a mutiny? Oh no! Shh, shh. I hit the silent panic button underneath the desk. Yeah.

That's a bit, it sounded red like it was quite an easy thing. He went up in a, he went into Blisroom. Blisgot a pretty upset. They're like, don't talk. Otherwise, you know, there's trouble. And he's gone, hell, hell, pour whatever, come and get Mutiny, come and get me, help me out. Sort of thing. And they tied him up and then they marched him out of there. I'm getting mutinyd. It's sort of like it would feel like I guess you didn't see it coming right because he thought he was a disciplinary father figure. Yeah.

Disciplinarian father figure and it's just like this is what you do to the boys. You wouldn't expect your boy to then come and say now I'm the dad. The boys love a floggin. Don't you? Oh, I never knew. You should have just communicated with me, open-looong. Too late, dad. That's as you guys often have splashed.

There was a lot of connoisseur. There was a lot of connoisseur. Splashed. Splashed. There was a lot of conmotion with the mutineers and the loyalists all making a lot of noise loyalists or see the Non-mutinies the ones who are sticking with mutinies would be a cool band name It's got a already-be one I think it's too cool already. Yeah, I'll sing a luminies well. They're cool. They're pretty cool. All right

The loyalists less cool. Not bad though. There's something uncool about being loyal Mutinies though cool bad boys The loyalists, that's cool. Not bad though. There's something uncool about being loyal. Yeah. Mutiny is so cool. Bad boys. So they're all making a lot of noise. Christian told one of the senior loyalists and named Friah. Friatuck. Friatuck, yes. You keep saying you don't know this story but I don't know this story, but he said to Frye that he'd been in hell for weeks past. Captain Bligh has brought this on himself. Apparently that's what he said. Christian thought he'd be able to set the loyalists a drift on the ship's smaller boat, but he was caught a bit off guard by how many men actually wanted to leave with Bligh. He thought he had the

majority, but in the end he didn't actually have the majority. So why aren't they just going actually where they're going? They just caught the jump on a mad guns. They won't get the guns when they see them. Okay, they're armed. Yeah. They, and he was, you know, basically taking people out while they're sleeping. So not taking them out, but but shushing them. Shushing them while they were sleeping. I was just like I was making no noise now I'm awake. I can make a lot more noise away. That was a bad. Oh Shushed like he meant it that time like he meant it, but it did what he says I Better shush. Yeah, who?

So yeah more than half the men on board What I wanted to leave over 20 men So he ended up having to use the ships largest boat and even that became overcrowded But so not the main boat but the ships yeah the ships Fine, we'll set you a drift on the bounty see if you like that As this drifting away on a small life boat. He's like oh fuck and also it's not gone well Also, we've hacked it full of yummy food. So you're set for ages.

Yeah, we left the cannons, the guns, and all those plants, you can sell for millions of pounds on board. See ya, oh shit. Oh no. Millions of pounds. What if we're done? They went over to get cheap food supply, but that cheap food is worth millions. What if we done? We went over to get cheap food supply, but that cheap food is worth millions.

What if we don't? We went over to feed slaves and we all ended up as being millionaires. Accident on millionaires. That's the best kind of millionaire. They respect it more. You know they appreciate it. When you accidentally a millionaire, you don't take it for granted. So even the big boat was overcrowded. Christian let everyone leave who wanted to leave. Is do you get the feeling that it's like a shitty roadboat?

Or it is like a boat that they could feasibly get home in? No, no, yeah, there's a sail on it and stuff like that. Okay, so it's not leaving him to die. It's a small boat, but yeah, he's giving him a, he's like, after letting him go, he had the thought. He's like, there letting him go, he had the thought. He's like, there's a chance they might make it back. So I've got to be aware of that. This is a chance they might make it back.

They might make it back to England. So he's like, there's a chance that the English Navy might come for me because. Oh, Ruckus, yeah. But I make it back and let some know. Because now I'm a pirate. He's like, I think he's thinking it's unlikely, but there's a chance.

Wow. It's that pretty horrible that you put 20 minute I think he's thinking it's unlikely but there's a chance. Wow. That's pretty horrible that you put 20 minutes about and you're thinking it's more likely they'll die than make it. Yeah, but he's also given them the choice. Anyone could stay who wanted to. Or any any did leave everyone. I let everyone go who wanted to apart from a few men and name Norman McIntosh and Coleman. A few good men. A few good men who had skills he saw as vital to the success of the movie. So they legit are a few good men for his-

So they've got skills that are vital. So let's guess what those skills are. Obviously one of them's gonna be social media expert. Oh, for sure. The social engine optimization of this ship, he's gotta get rid of blinds. It's imperative. He's gonna be tweeting, he's gotta get rid of that fake news, fake news,

another thing. What else, so social media, obviously, what else? I imagine some sort of French pastry chef. Obviously. Yeah, obviously. That would make sense. What I live with at the cross-arm. Seriously, how would I? I love croissants so much.

No idea. It was actually the two Carpenter's mates were Norman and Macintosh. I can't trust a fucking Carpenter. I reckon they'll come back and ruin this. And they were Carpenter's mate to stay. They will fuck this up. Mark my words.

And Coleman was the armorer. What do you need an armorer for? So I was very... Where's the pastry chef? Yeah, and I know it seems weird. I think they must've also had other skills with... Like pastry chef? Just like shipping sort of skills.

So sorry Matt. Yeah, sorry, obviously. Like pastry chef. Thank you. And the other things. Social media. Yeah. Cat grooming.

Yes. Also cat getting, because they needed to get them for. Yeah, so they got the one guy to get the cats and one to groom them. And then they just gave the cats. But pretty cats. They weren't happy about it, though, three. And they pleaded with Blight to remember that they stayed against their will. And Blight replied, never fear lads, I'll do you justice if I ever reach England.

Blight's clock. Well, this has made the monopopials everyone on board the ship in our one. Yeah, but I mean they already were like we don't want to we don't want to be here. Made that very clear. You're making us. Why are you letting them go? Interesting. Blies, one you don't like the most. Make him stay. In my way. Yeah, that's weird. In my world, I would take a punt on whoever thing is going to make it. Yeah, you would go with them. I'd stick with my morals Mine's the cow with the choice. I know but I think a lot of people probably did that as well Right and also like because if you stay you can't ever go home

You've just got to try and make your way on an island somewhere but they're fucking love that lifestyle They did like that lifestyle, but they had that lifestyle in part because of the good relationships that they had with England, cook and previous museums. I am. I am blind you the head. Yeah. And it always seems nice when you're on holiday, you know?

Like a short period of time, you're like, I could live like this forever. And then, you know, you try and you get actually, no. I don't wanna live like this for a long time. I don't wanna live out of a suitcase. What am I doing? No, I come back. I wanna live on this tropical paradise, yuck. I wanna go back to work. of a suitcase. What am I doing? Why, come back. I want to live on this tropical paradise.

Yeah. I want to go back to work. That was really fun. I want to go back to cold weather. What? Give me out of this sunshine. Blinds boat was given food and water that would last for about a week or just thunder. That is not long enough.

Because there were three, six months away from England. Yeah, but I think the plan immediately for Bly was he could see Volcano smoke from the island they wanted to get to. So they weren't that far away. It was definitely a possible thing. From the nutrients of a volcano. Yeah, I was just thinking, they went far from a volcano.

Great. And that was the nice volcanic island. Huh. That was nice. Tell that to the people of Pompeii. Yeah. Oh, it's so nice living near a volcano. So people who now live in Pompeii?

Yeah, because they're caching on that tourist dollar. They love it. They love the volcano. Ah, good point. Well, played Matthew, and so quick. Fuck you. They are then. Then at the last minute, so they packed them up.

It was funny, everyone was going back to their rooms, getting their stuff. It sounded like it was just such a nice orderly thing. It's getting their hair straight there. About the fact that it's just like, just kill them. Why don't you just throw on them overboard? Oh. Don't you think?

You're letting them have one of your boats? You just kill them. Why don't you just throw on them overboard? Oh. Don't you think? You're letting them have one of your boats? You just kill them. But I guess if they're mutiny, it's like we're doing... There's a... Because you're breaking the rules anyway, right? You're basically... Just committing a war crime or something. It's just interesting that you would go straight to killing them.

Well, it just feels like... Is it an us or... Because in reverse, they would kill them, wouldn't they? I think if you do get caught being meet near at the time, it will be a hanged. Yeah. Spoiler alert. Blight, and right at the end, I like this right as they were about to head off, they threw in some swords or some cutlaces, some knives.

So they even gave him some weapons. Right, but no guns. Barad at the very end. No guns would have been harder. They given them three cutlaces and four rocket launches. Oh shit! Duck! Go quick!

Bro! Bro! Of the 44 men left alive on the bounty, 19 went off with Bligh. Okay, so they do have the majority on the bounty. Yeah, but there were those three and a few others who didn't really want to leave. So it was about 50-50 in the end then? Yeah, I think it was more wanted to leave and wanted to stay, but it flipped around.

After Bligh had it off the mute near through the bread plants into the sea, after all that work. Why, couldn't they like sell them and stuff? I guess they're just like, we don't fucking want these. Yeah, it feels like they could have been something to them, right? But, well, they're just taking up a lot of space. They're into the sea. Yeah, maybe they just wanted to get the big bedroom back.

Christian knew that the bounty failing to return England meant that it was only a matter of time before a search party came for them. Or like you said, if Bligha gota back then they'd be like oh shit they're coming for us but either way they'd be at least a search party looking for them or a search party looking for the mutiny. Yeah right. Knowing this he took the bandit to an island called Dubu I and an island south of Tahiti that he knew could be easily defended

due to it being almost entirely surrounded by a coral reef. That's pretty smart. That's pretty smart. It's pretty smart, but it does seem like a lot of effort they've gone to just to get away from a guy that was giving him a few floggings. Just wait a few more weeks. Just behave yourself.

You all get paid. Yeah, that's, and then you don't have to hang out with this guy anymore. Yeah, that's right. He's not being, if he was like being a crazy guy that was like executing people at front and center, you don't understand. It was life and death. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is vlogger and then they went- Because you- No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, yeah, you're right. Yeah, I'm doing it. Well, I mean, what he was about to do was a lot more dangerous.

Go off by himself in a raft. Yeah, that wouldn't have worked out. Take his chances. But it's a smaller crime to be a deserter than to be a mutant, a mutiny, I guess. I'm saying that like I know that for sure. I imagine that would be. Yeah, so they go and set up as if they know they're going to be attacked.

And if you know you're going to be attacked, and there's only what 25 of you? Well, they're like, it's a matter of time, but you reckons this place, you could protect yourself from anyone coming and say, be a lot easier to protect yourself from there. But I mean, then another one comes like, Yeah, there's 25 people. And another one comes, and another one comes.

Another one comes the dust. No. That's me coming dust. Get that checked. That is not okay. You should's me coming dust. Get that checked! Yeah, that is not okay. You should not be coming dust. The reception from the inhabitants of the And was hostile though, with a flotilla of war canoes coming out to greet them.

Oh, I see there's always a civil army but the opposite of that. This call riffs great, except for the flotilla of attack canoes coming towards us. Flotilla. That's a towards us. Flo Tiller. That's a fantastic word. Flo Tiller. That's a good band name. Flo Tiller of Walk and... Pantera and Flo Tiller.

Flo Tiller and Manila. Oh, David. Very good. The men on the bounty killed about a dozen of these warriors and then they went, uh, went and surveyed the island and liked what they saw, you know, a couple of dead bodies. But they realized that they needed women to create a permanent settlement and decided to head back to Tahiti to pick up some ladies. Let's go pick up some broads.

Wow, so they're like starting like a cult, something like a new... Let's pick up some cheese. I guess they're thinking like, I guess they're thinking to the next generation, but also maybe they, yeah, I don't know. So they just wanna have a new life. They're happy to live there for a year.

So they went back to Tahiti and hit the clubs to pick up some chicks. Yeah. We put up a few on notice boards. Yeah. Wanted. Chicks. Women.

The chicks. Apply now. Are you a woman? I guess one of the... Do you read English? Well, read on. That do read on. Cool, so I kept jumping in.

To make the Tahitian chiefs cooperate because they weren't obviously coming in there and saying hey you know you're a good mazerbly, yeah we just fucked him over. Also can we have all of your women? Thank you so much. Yes so they needed a story and the story they gave them was that Bly, Christian and Captain Cook were found in a new settlement. Captain Cook was dead by this time, but they didn't realize that. Or the...

The news hadn't got to the... The hearty... The hearty-science. The Tahitians didn't realize that. So they accepted that and that name drop ensured that they were looked after. They had name drop in. And they set sail back to Tobay

with 30 Tahitian men and women, gifts and lifestyle. So men and women? Yeah, more women, but also some men for helping with labor. Like building this settlement. Not a bit of diversity. So the Tahitians just said yes to anything. Do they get anything out of it apart from the fact that they thought they're helping them to go? Ah, I'm not sure.

Like in exchange. Also, do they? How about those plants? Oh, fuck fuck we put them in the border. Yeah And I they're missing out apart where they've got guns drawn or anything And did the people want to go like were they volunteers to go over there? Was it just like you you you in you go in the butt in this case? I'm not sure but I and there are parts of the story Where there were people taking will you you'll hear about soon? That one probably I imagine that some of them,

you know, why would you wanna go on this thing? Adventure, just a change of scene. Maybe. Get away from your ex-boyfriend, you know what I mean? Maybe, yeah, or maybe you're like a captain cook. We know and respect him for some reason. I don't know. I just need to move, I just need to be like away from Jerry.

I just need to get away from him. I think some space would be really good to help him move on, because I know I've moved on. Do you know what I mean? I'd like a coral reef between me and Jerry at all times. Yeah, Jerry's a creep.

Wait, you went from wanting to look after him to call him a creep pretty quickly. Well, it's kind of like looking after him and looking after me, do you know what I mean? Have you moved on really? Do we need to talk this out? I don't want to talk about it right now. Okay, well, when we get to this island, once we get through the coral, I think we need

a chat. Okay, we can't force me to open up to you, like I'll do it in my own time. I'm not, I won't force you, but just know my hot door doesn't exist, so you can come in. We got an open door, open hot policy. Okay, I haven't built it yet. Well, I mean, we're not even there, the hut, to be honest, isn't there either. But, okay, just to sorry, just to clarify, when you do build the hut, okay, I haven't built it yet. Well, I mean we're not even there the hut to be honest isn't there either But okay, just sorry just clarify that when you do build the hut Okay, this is like a three-part question. Okay. Do you plan on putting a door on the hut? Yes, okay

Second part once there is a door on the hut is that an open door hut policy? Are you saying like I'm welcome to some talk to you anytime? Or are you saying like too bad so sad once there's a door on the heart? It's closed. Now look I'm willing to take the hinges of the door again. No, no, I just wanted you to open it Oh look this is getting very complicated. Do you want the door on or not? I think but you know safety and privacy keep the door on but can I visit and Talk to you. Look at it. I'm ready. This isn't working for me. Oh my God. This is Jerry. Can we get another one?

Can we get, can we change her for another one please? I feel like you think to me a door between you two at all times. In real life we're in that sketch we just did. All times. Interesting. The two Bay settlement was largely unsuccessful. Did I say any of those words right? I said yes. You said was right. settlement was largely unsuccessful. Did I say any of those words right? Unsuccessful.

You said was right. The two, I can't, it's really trimmed me up this word, T-U-B-U-A-I. It's the name of an island. How would you say that, Dave? T-U-B-U-A-I. Would you say that, Jess? That's a follow-up question. Would you say two B-I?

Two B-I, okay, great, Jess. To Boo-E. To Boo-E, I like that better. The Toboogie settlement was largely unsuccessful. Christian was unable to form friendly relations with the local chiefs. And the women? Possibly in part, because they killed a bunch of their warriors,

not only before. Yeah, it doesn't. There were violent clashes with the locals also, from then on, with one battle resulting in 66 of the local's death. Oh, that's it. It's gone far with the death of four more. Right. 66 are good, either.

Saints only, Premiership and 66. Also England's only World Cup victory. There you go. What a fact. You knew that. Yeah, I knew that. His crew of Mute Niers were beginning to quarrel as well. So to bring it all to a head, Christian allowed a free vote, and in this vote, eight of the

men remained loyal to him. It's funny now the loyalists. He split in the party. Not the Mutineers. He split in the party. He's split in the party. No good. But the other 16 wanted to return to Tahiti to take their chances.

Oh boy. And that's what happened. Christian delivered those 16 men back to Tahiti to take their chances. Oh boy. And that's what happened. Christian delivered those 16 men back to Tahiti, but he realized himself that he could not remain there after what he'd done, obviously. What, have they found out that it was a lie, the colony? The Tahiti chiefs that he'd taken the 30 people from. Do they find out that he lied?

So why can't go there? Not as yet, but that he knows that it's an only matter of time. Right, right, right. I did say that he delivered the 16-man, but it was only 15 as he again held Joseph Coleman against his wishes. Is this the builder? He was the... The same guy that was held before against it.

Yeah, one of those. That guy's been fucked. Yeah, the, what did I call him? Two times. Two times, he said, who wants to leave? Two times. Two times he said who wants to leave not you? Yeah Oh Two times it was again been same as being too valuable on their return to Tahiti the reception

So so they delivered them though the 16 or the 15 men the bounty Sao backed it Tahiti to drop him off. And on their return to Tahiti, the reception was much less welcoming as the Tahitians had learnt of their lie. A visiting British ship told them that Captain Cook had been long dead and they were like, oh, hang on a second. Hold the phone. Fearing the Tahitians would react negatively to the lie, Christian decided to leave quickly, but not before hosting a party on the ship.

Of course. Inviting mainly women. All right. When the party was really starting to get going, they cut the anchor. Orgy, it's an orgy isn't it. And they sailed away with the guests. So, okay, and have they dropped off the 15 that one, I'll go ahead. Yeah, they dropped them off and I'd picked up 30 women. With the orgy as a distraction, Coleman has picked up a board. And the orgy sales on.

That's a beautiful boat. Coleman got off. And Richland safely. Yeah, so he... While everyone's banging, he was just like, I've got to go. Now, my chance. A few of the women Christian had abducted were a bit older

and he had no use for them. So he dropped them off on a different island. Oh, how fucked is that? Oh no. He's picked them up without them knowing, sailed them away and going, oh you're too old, you can't have kids or whatever he's thinking, you can't you can't do labor in either of the meanings. So we're gonna drop you off on another island so he's gonna, oh you're old. We're taking you from your home and putting you off on another island. So you're just going to, oh, you're old. We're taking you from your home and putting you over here. Sorry.

Oh, no. Bye. Sorry. Sorry, bye. I guess again, you could have just chucked him overboard. So it's not the worst thing you could have done. Sure, he's a hero's assistant. It's the second worst thing you could have done.

Yeah, it was too icy of the things you could have done. Second in charge of bad things. So at this stage the bounty comprised nine mutineers, Christian, young, quintile, brown, martin, John Williams, William McCoy, John Mills and John Adams, and then plus another 20 pollination, 14 of which were women. Women? Of the 15 who had dropped off at Tahiti, there were mixed fortunes. Some built a boat with a thought of saying there were Dutch settlement to surrender

with the hope of proving their innocence, which is not a bad plan. Then there were others who's tactic was a little different. They just got drunk a lot. Churchill. That'd be you, Maddie. Churchill was one of those, and so it was Matthew Thompson. There we go.

And they went down that route. Both of them ending up dying violent deaths. Yeah. And what worked getting to a bar fight? Yeah, bar fights. They went to the saloon. The tariffies in saloon? Yeah, on the wrong night.

And yeah, with the wrong attitude. Wrong place, wrong time. Their heart ended up on the wrong side of their inside. Oh, no. The outside. That is right. Their heart was extracted. While that was all going on, Blies Plan was the sale to the Dutch settlement of Coupang in Teymour. It was tough. This bit of

the story could be its own episode, right? I'm bringing it down to one paragraph. They encountered rough conditions and they lost men, people died. And that journey, it took months, but because they're on a pretty small shitty ship. Well, they're on a much smaller ship than the bounty, and you already said the bounty was small, so. But it wasn't like a rowboat or something like that. There was a sail, I'm pretty sure, because at one point I heard someone say

that he put up the sail. That is very good observation, I think. Thank you. I'm gonna call you Sherlock Holmes over very good observation, then. Thank you. I'm going to call you. Sherlock Holmes over there. Oh, what a way. Who's our little Sherlock, I'll say. I don't get the reference, but thank you.

It's get a Sherlock. Call me Sherlock. Good to see you, Chip. Sherlock Holmes. So, Bligh, yes, cutting along so short on the 12th of June, they cited the team or coast, which is what they were heading for. Blyde described this moment in his journal. He said, it is not possible for me to describe, did I just say describe it in his journal? Yes, yes.

And he's coming with, it is not possible for me to describe the pleasure of which the blessing of the side of this land defused among us among us among us among us and On 14th of June few days later with a homemade Indian jack flag hoisted they sailed into Kupang. They did it with crayons They're by Reporters of the meadows they were given work crayons. Yeah, they're by reporter the mutiny and from there They headed back to or headed across to what is now known as Jakarta where they awaited a ship home to England. In the time of waiting for that ship, the Jakarta weather took out a few of the men. People died and then on the journey home a few more died. But how many are left a few including bli a few of the cool dudes when bli landed in England on 14th of March 790 news of the mutiny had preceded him and he arrived to hero what a weird way to become a hero someone

Overpowered you someone stole my hero. I'll stole your golf cart You're a hero In octaves. Yes, I am. Please take me to my hero quarters In October 1790 at a formal court marshal for the loss of the bounty he was honorably acquitted of responsibility for the loss and was promoted to post captain. So he's beyond captain. He's beyond it. He was beyond captain.

He's like, I mean, there's like, there's like modern and there's post-modern and there's like captain and he's like post captain. Do you know what I mean? He had to deliver mail. He's the captain of the post. Yeah, the post In the promoted you to mail man. Oh shit, but not a bit captain mail man Yeah, he leads the mail man

In November 7, 1990 the Admiralty to dispatch the frigate HMS Pandora under captain Edward Edwards to capture the mutineers and return them to England to stand trial Pandora arrived at Tahiti on the 23rd March 1791 and a few days later all surviving bounty men had either surrendered or been captured. That's pretty quick. I reckon. Yeah. It's a quick turnaround. Eddie Edwards gets it done. Yeah, he is efficient AS. Edward's made no distinction, this our efficient is, he made no distinction between mutineers and those who claimed they had been detained on the bounty against their will. Thank you. They were all kept prisoner on the Pandora in a specifically constructed box

referred to as Pandora's box. Ah. There's a fun noise. Ah. Ah. Failing to find any further information about the bounties whereabouts, they sailed it because the people of Tahiti and the man who were left they didn't know. So it wasn't really able to get any clues from them.

So when you couldn't figure out anything there, they sailed again in search of the bountie around the Pacific Islands, but to no avail. Giving up that search, Edward's headed for the Dutch East Indies, which seems to be a real hub. Hot spot. Yeah, that's where you're at. So all the good stuff is? On the 29th of August 1791, Pandora ran a ground on the Great Barrier Reef. Uh oh, I know where that is. The men in Pandora's box were ignored as the regular crew attempted to prevent the ship from foundering. When Edwards gave the order to abandon ship they began to remove

the prisoner of shackles but the ship went down before they could finish so. What? So some of them were just shackled in? Some of them just got jet drowned in shackles. What? What? Oh man! Yeah that was a a real I was like that's a magic trick on wrong sort of thing. Yeah Wow, who Danny survived but many of the others didn't but also a lot of the crew on the ship itself died That day as well some of the prisoners didn't make it out alive But the ones the dog included my man great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great Then onto England via the HMS Gorgon. Gorgon. Which sounds delicious. Yeah, yum. They're ships named because they love Gorgons. Short, of course, for Gorgonsola.

Okay, great, look cheese. I've got two ships, the Gorgon and the Zola. Yeah, we lost the Zola months ago. HMSola, there's a text limit. We couldn't have Gorgonsola, so we just made two ships. We got the Glogan. We got the zone Go the zone Put it together Matt did the face for me

That's the best Tell me again, we got the Glogan, we got the zone That's good fun. We have fun here. It's kind of so to get live, you know. You'll see that. You'll get a experience there in the flesh. God, that'll be good. Reaching England, they then waited trial. The prisoners included the three detained loyalists, Coleman, Macintosh and Norman. We're pretty pissed off. To whom Bligh had promised justice.

Uh-oh. Uh-oh. No, no, no, it feels like that, but not like it off. In some ways, it would have been way better for the story if they got fucked. Yeah. They got off instead. But instead they got off.

They didn't get fucked, they got off. Tahitian style. The green bones are absolutely cool. At the time of the, at the time of the trials, Bly was on another expedition this time to again get breadfruit. They went and tried again. Give it up, idiots.

It's just fruit. We've looked it up. It's shit. It looks kind of weird. It's not gonna take off. Bly mate, we've looked it up. Stop trying to make breadfruit happen. It's not gonna take off. Blight mate, we've looked it up. Stop trying to make bread for it happen. It's not gonna happen.

It doesn't happen. I'm in the future, you idiot. It's gonna have a little bit of foresight. None of us had heard of it and we're all educated and we're all alive. And you're not, so yeah. You should listen to me. Yeah.

I really liked the name of the guy I've presided over the hearings. So the court marshal and they do it on a boat docked in the bay which I like. Why? Just go to a building. No we're boat people. This is how we do it. It's a quirky fun. It's easy to reenact stuff on a boat. If you're on a boat, the jury can imagine what it would have been like. No, that's fair. Okay, fair enough. But the so the guy who was overseeing it is a vice admiral Lord Hood This is real. This sounds like a villain. I was expecting something so much better when you said you liked his name This is Hood. I enjoy that his Lord Hood vice admiral Lord Hood. He sounds like a star was yeah

But this title is about ten till a little longer than the actual name. Vice admiral, Lord Hood. That was disappointing about it. That was disappointing, sorry, everybody. Buyers surviving loyalists provided testimony against their mutiny's. The court did not challenge the statements of Coleman, McIntosh, Norman, and Bern, all of whom were acquitted. That was the...

It sounds like everyone else should have been like, yeah, I was one of them. And everyone would have been like, I don't challenge yeah, I was one of them And everyone would be like I don't tell them that In the end six of the defendants were found guilty of mutiny and sentenced to death by hanging. Oh Yeah, so who's that not all of them bad luck Buckaroo boys Buckaroo boys But I did read I'm Jess I'm Matt I'm Dave

I did read it. I'm Jess. I'm Matt. I'm Dave. Oh, you were just reading a leave day that was the Bucca Ruid boys. I didn't think Dave was going to be a but I just had nothing Bucca Ruid boys about it. You stopped speaking for a moment then.

David, would you be interested in being a Bucca Ruid boy? No, I'm a fucking loyalist and I will not join you. I will not join. Oh, no, they've got me a gunpoint. I swear I don't want to be here. I don't not want to be able to

shoot for you. Matt, I'm sorry that I cut you off there. It's not Buccaroo boy material. Just a man of the Buccaroo boys. The Buccaroo boys. Hashtag Buccaroo boys. Aca-ca-ca-ca- ooh Talking's hard. My Bly boy threw on through. Oh what? I just never give up my Bly. Bly-bly. You're a Bly guy. I'm a Bly. Queer eye for the Bly guy. I've got that eye my bli, bli-b-b-i. You're a bli-guy. I'm a bli-quir-i for the bli-guy. I've got that eye for you, bli. Okay mate, all right, that's enough.

Some people said that the guys, the mutiny is, with a bit of money, we're able to get off of their charges, Jess. You saucy mix. Ha ha ha ha. But yeah, other people said that that wasn't necessarily true and it was someone else. But some people did get off. Some people did get off. Bit their charges.

And then I imagine they celebrated by getting off. Bit charges. But for a second time, they reenacted it at home. And then what happened, my mom was. And then so I guess we should go back and check in with Christian and the guys. So after leaving Tahiti on the 22nd of September 1789, Christian sailed the bounty west in search of a safe haven. He then formed the idea of settling on Pitcán Island.

You know, Pitcán Island? Pitcán, sounds nice. If you've heard of Pitcán Island, you would have heard of it because of this, because it was uninhabited beforehand. Its location had never been definitively recorded. It was where they thought it was or where it was down on the maps It actually wasn't there that to search around for it So they saw that as being as a benefit for them. Oh, because people can't find it I mean it had to find it almost like it doesn't exist there After a lengthy search the Mutineers found Pitcan and, and for a while, the Mutiny is in the

Tahitians who they'd basically kidnapped existed there peacefully. No, sorry, not all of them. Some from earlier, I wanted to be there, but they did kidnapped a big bunch as well. Christians settled down with Isabella who was still there with him. And they had a son named, yeah, yeah fuck it's weird that I've just allowed him to make that a thing yeah it is interesting um not Isabella who a real name which I'd have to scroll yeah no don't scroll back I'm sorry it's just easiest remember yeah no he was right yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I get it

because now because I just think oh what was his ex-girlfriend from England's name Isabella yeah that's right that's what this... A normal name, you mean? So he settled down with her and they had a son, one of their children's name, maybe you like this more than if you didn't like Lord Hood. Mm-hmm. Good luck finding a better name. Maybe like this one, they had a son named Thursday, October Christian. That's a shocker.

That's a terrible name. That's a shocker. That's a terrible name. It's better that, no, that's bad. That's gotta be the day and the month that it was born, right? You there, what day is this? Why so today is Thursday, October day? Good enough for me. Yeah, it would have been better if it was

22nd October or something, or it can be less weird. Thursday, it feels like you're missing some key information there. What do you call him Daisy? Oh? Fuck that's great. Octo. Octopussy. Tock T.O.C. That's not bad. No, I don't like that. Thirsty. There it is. The camel. Okay, you're good at this Tensions gradually increased again though especially around the way the Englishmen treated the tarotians like they were their possessions. Apparently some of the women were like passed around, which fuck, even just that phrase passed around as fucking gross.

Nice. Makes it sound like their day of warnaki size. Just fitting your hand. Hi, hon. In September 1793, five of the mutineers, Christian Williams, Martin, Mills, and Brown, were killed by tarheations. Oh, no. Oh, Christian was.

Yeah, if such a Christian was killed while working in his fields, apparently his last words were, oh dear. It's in good words. I like that. That was my last message. That was my last message. That was my last message. That was my last message.

That was my last message. That was my last message. That was my last message. That was my last message. That was my last message. That was my last message. That was my last message. That was my last message.

That was my last message. That was my last message. That was my last message. That was my last message. That was my last message. That was my last message. That was my last message. Oh dear, this guy's stepped in the heart. Oh dear. Oh dear, this isn't good, is it? It just, it depends on the tone, doesn't it? It could be, oh dear, he's calling out to be a better. Oh right, that's right. Oh dear. Fetch the surgeon.

Oh dear. Oh dear, you know it's different. Apparently, there's a bucked by a dear. Oh dear. Oh dear. Oh dear. That was him being. Is that how it happened Matt? Yeah that is. So the Tahitians went one by one and sort of did it. They took them out one by one sort of. Right.

Quite so. So is that only there's three also Englishmen left? Yeah. That's fair so. By 1794 the Sixth Tahitian men were also dead killed for revenge by the widows of the murdered mutineers or by each other. Oh my god! It was a blood bath on that island. And now just to basically finish off, I found this sort of nice little wrap up on one of my favorite websites for this thing, history.com. And I'm just going to read a little bit here about what they what was found there in 1808. An American whaling vessel was drawn to pit can by smoke from a cooking fire. The Americans discovered a community of children and women led by John Adams, the sole survivor

of the original nine mutant ears. According to Adams, after settling on pit can, the colonists had stripped and burned the bounty and internal strife and sickness had led to the death of Fletcher and all the men bet him. So he he called it internal strife. Okay. What you like? That's nice. Basically what happened was oh dear. You get it. In 1825 a British ship arrived and formally granted Adam's amnesty. So even though he, you know, he was owned up to being a mutinyr, he was... Wow.

...he was given the all clear. And he served as patriarch of the Pitcan community until his death in 1829. Wow. In 1831 the Pitcan Islanders were resettled on Tahiti, but unsatisfied with life there, they soon returned to their native island. In 1856, the islanders were removed to North Oak Island, a former penal colony nearly 4,000 miles to the west. However, less than two years later, 17 of the islanders returned to Pitcan, followed by more families in 1864. They travelled 4,000 miles back. Yeah, they obviously just love it there. That's true. That's just tiny little island. Love it. Today around 40 people live on Pitcan Island and all but a handful of descendants of the Bounty Mutineers. Wow. About a thousand residents of Norfolk Island, half its population, trace their

lineage from Fletcher Christian and the eight other Englishmen. So, wow. Yeah, so there's like, there's a bit over half the north of Northfolk Island. Wow. The right descendants there's like over half the North Vocal Island. Wow. The right descendants. That's amazing. So their culture there is like it's really walked into that, the whole bounty mutiny. And they're all very closely related.

Yeah, well, half of them. Wow, that's fascinating. I didn't know that. So that's kind of into the story. I just, it feels like a maybe is almost the biggest one I've tried to do and I There's huge gaps in there, but The fascinating thing that five movies or four of them you can see I Try to watch one last night fell sick quite early. Which one did you choose? I

Because I was just rounded off our tunes and the male Gibson one wasn't on there So I went with the one my dad recommended, which was the one with Marlon Brando. Wow. Cool. I'm probably gonna go watch it now after this, but Marlon Brando's portrayal of Fletcher Krischer was a super camp, he was a real bandy boy. He came rocked up to to board the band to wear and like this really up to the to to board the bounty wearing like this really silvery sort of funny suit thing was weird. Well, I was in a really strange about it. The actual time was it.

I was set at the time. And that was like even in the first 10 minutes, there was all these inconsistencies like he hadn't met, he hadn't met a bli before, whereas they had. I was fine. When they do a move like there must have been a reason for that. But why do you pick this historical event? If you just want to change it, anyone else.

Yeah, it just seems like, it could just be like, yeah, remember me. So, and was it a young Brando? It was a young Brando. It was 63 that moved. But here's a fun fact, I guess, to finish on. And it's about that movie. I'll decide.

Yeah, that's probably true. This is something that my dad told me and I just looked it up before. Tahitian actress, Terita Terrapaya, who played brando's love interest in Mutiny on the Bounty, became his third wife in 1962. She, oh, this bit isn't fun. But yeah, that's sort of, he actually married his on-screen, I guess the Isabella character actress. That's fun. Is that a fun fact? I mean, it's sweet. I don't know if it's...

He owned an island. Basically, you're just telling me that two people fell in love. I don't know if that's fun. It's just kind of... I mean to it? I don't know what have I done. Why do you plan this up as a lonely Jess would feel sad about this? No one buys it Jess. No one buys it I'm lonely.

What am I? there so no one buys it just no one buys it I'm lonely what I am you just gonna get more creep creep toys no you have to have creep toys you make that happen did how about this she was 20 years old and Brandon was 38 at the time it's only 18 years he was reportedly delighted by her naevertay okay all right well that And you've taken what you originally it was a fun fact I made it a creepy I don't like it at all I should have read that before that was straight up Wikipedia nice Yucky still regardless of that weird creep fact at the end that was a very good report a very interesting story

Would you agree David? I thought that was a great story I'm just looking at where Marlon Breddars Island was and it was in part of French Polynesia so that's sort of not too far from there. I wouldn't say no to an island. I mean I wouldn't say no. I probably wouldn't go out of my way to get one but if someone was like hey do want an island and I'm like how much and they And they're like, 20 bucks, I'm like, yeah, all right. 20. Oh, yeah, yeah, go on. Let me ask me, mate, blah. Go on. Yeah, if I can borrow some.

Take the other page and back. Definitely not. Sounds like you didn't. Yeah. And that's why from anything else, yeah, that's why. Thanks for listening to me do this, report you guys. It really feels nice to have your support. Really, back there.

And we should also say that that report was voted on by our Patreon. Yes, that's right. As all mats topics are, you put up three or four topics this time. I put three up. So actually the way the vote went this week was relatively close. Everyone picked up votes. Jimmy Hendrix, had about a quarter of the votes uh... the filming of the island of dr morrow picked up about thirty percent of votes but mainly on the bounty picked up the rest of the forty five percent so i

believe the island of dr morrow also had to mullen brand of it yeah there was that that connection across the two which i didn't realize and he probably did me Hendrix. You probably did. I reckon you probably. Super famous people at the time. So yeah, the patrons who vote on that, we normally think if you're the one at the end as well.

So I would like to do that now, if you don't mind. Please. And ask Jess, do you have anyone to thank? Absolutely. I would like to thank someone who, he's one of those people that just, you know, when you ask a favor, they just go that little bit further. You know, they're always doing just that little bit more.

Oh. Oh. And I would obviously like to thank a good friend and listener and Patreon supporter. Eyes out for. Very less. Oh. I was actually gonna try and make a lester. I told you I'm not good at these. No that was good. I was like more I loved it. Thank you so much I loved it is almost as much as I love I was like more. And that's a lot. That is a whole heap. He's from North Carolina. Same place as I think Michael Jordan played University basketball. Is that right?

I don't know Michael Jordan. University basketball. Is that right? I don't know, Michael Jordan. Why? Michael Jordan is not my best friend. Despite what my Facebook profile picture says. It's fake. It's a fake. I never met him.

Can I, John Wood you mind if I think a good friend of mine and the show? Please. Is it Michael Jordan? No, it is not. It's a man from London London which is a great town you sell out your from London and I'm not even gonna fuck around with any jokes with this guy I can't think of one or top what Jess just did with that more thing

Toaster than what I mean that name stands alone. It doesn't need any sort of cheap punnery What? I mean, that name stands alone. It doesn't need any sort of cheap punnery. You're a piece of shit. But, you know, who isn't a piece of shit? Chris Tostevin. Almost guaranteed not to be pronouncing that right. Chris, let me know and I'll fix it up in post. Chris Tostevin. Chris, he won't. That is a name that rings in my head and it rings, rings true. Rings true.

Chris Tostevin. Is that how you'd say it does? Yeah, I'm not sure. I've just had a look at Matt's green. I'm not sure could say that away maybe to see tostivine I feel like when I post divine tostivine That is a beautiful all right now what would be your tostivine okay we're talking a nice sour dough Mm-hmm put on a bit avocado yes I'm on the same page here. Some feta. Yes, please. Pomegranate seeds. Oh my goodness, I wasn't considering it until now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then roast tomato. Yes.

And a little bell stomach. Oh my gosh. I was gonna say something shitter than that. I'll have yours. Two of those, please. I'll have what she's having. I hated myself for that. Dave, would you like to thank somebody?

Please get me out of this. Chris, toast divine. And toast divine. And I would like to thank someone. I would like to also point out that we thank these people in order of the pledge. In the exact order of the people of pledge. It's all scientific. It's all scientific. It's all scientific. We try to be fair.

So if you have pledge, your name will be read out. We definitely will get to you. We do appreciate you waiting around. But I would like to make my Pledge my loyal pledge and I would like to say a sentence that I think that maybe this man will understand Oh god, you're gonna have us. This is terrible Toyre ni it's a moi i diska which I think our friend Riz arsef would understand because he is he possibly she No, I'm thinking about it is our sole

Japanese Pledge He is, he possibly she, no thinking about it, is our sole Japanese pleasure. Thank you very much, Rizza Zephanad. I just said that the one sentence I know from Japanese, which is, can I go to the toilet, please. Riz, please, tweet in, let Dave know if he can go to the toilet. But I was in primary school, you couldn't go to the toilet in our Japanese class unless you said it to the toilet. But I was in primary school, you couldn't go to the toilet in our Japanese class unless you said it to the teacher properly.

Rizza is a dude from, and he's also, he's a media student, which is one of us, did I think. Yeah. You're like, oh, you're one of us, Riz. One of us. Good on you. I mean, looking at your photo, you are way cooler than us, but still, one of us all the same. And let us know, Riz, did you ever get the Christmas card because your address is obviously Using kanji Japanese characters and that is difficult for us to put on a postcard Matt had an amazing crack at it I did it freehand, but I hopefully yeah, hopefully that found you let us know if it didn't we do not know the Japanese alphabet

Much more much less how to write it can camp to three though. Please take it away. We chiny, sun, chi. Is that all right? That's right. And then it goes go, roku, shichi, hachi, q, q, q. You're just, are we just showing off now? Cause like, is that what we're doing here? Is that what we're doing? Are we just showing off?

If you answer my question, can I go to the toilet? I said that. Oh, I won't go until Riz writes exactly. Let us know Riz, IZF. Please. Thank you so much for your support and thank you to everyone who supports us through Patreon. Patreon.com slash dogo on pod where you can get bonus episodes, extra news letters, you get to vote on Matt's topics. You get to choose the topic that Matt will be saying reporting on. I should say live at the Melbourne Company Festival in just a couple of weeks time. Yes.

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