Two In The Think Tank - 81 - Glasgow Ice Cream Wars

Episode Date: May 10, 2017

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Now is the time, mycomputercareer.edu. This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit PlanetBcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go. On my name is Dave Wanakie and I'm sitting here with Matt Stewart and Jess Perkins. Thanks for having me. Hello, thank you so much for joining us. No worries.

At least dinner party. Are you talking to me or who's joining us? Me, I think, because I said thanks for having me. You're just mad as joining us. Still a great debate here. Okay, wait, who's hosting this? Oh my god. Well I think Jess must be,

Dave's great to be here. You said thanks for coming. Yeah. Yeah, it's you or the host. All right, question. If we were to go to a restaurant, what name would we book it under? Stuart.

I think it'd be whoever's making the call. Yeah, good call. Okay. Who would make that call? I'd imagine probably me making the call. Yeah, good call. Okay. Yeah. Who would make that call? I've imagined probably me. So Stuart. Yeah. Great.

So I was correct. We just needed that. And also I just feel like one key you're going to have to be like, W-A-R-N-E-E-M-A-M-German. And so Perkins or Stuart's going to be the easier one. My dad's name is Martin and our family for my whole life always books things under Martin because it's very difficult to spell wonky and He often goes into this way so they say hello mr. Martin. Oh nice. It's gone too far. The lie has become the truth

Yeah, I think I think that's fine. I just I'd be happy to live in that truth Do you reckon when I was in Bali, they called me Miss Jess and I loved it. Miss Jess. Miss Jess. Good morning, Miss Jess. I was like, fuck you. I am Miss Jess, all right.

I feel like I'm having deja vu. I've definitely said that before, because I mean, yeah, I'm sure I have. I'm not, I just felt like I'd dreamt that. Either on or off the podcast. I've definitely told you that adorable story. It feels like a very dreamy moment. That's just what it's like

and we're all back in the studio together. It's so good to be back. People have been enjoying us being back in the studio. Notice we've got a few tweets and stuff. It was like, damn it, I'm glad you're back in the studio. I wonder why that is. Maybe because the sound quality is better, but also possibly because they don't have

a phoema of the people who got to watch us live. No phoema, it's also easy to follow. We're not playing to the room as much. Not minding. Not constantly referencing Matt's regret phase. Yeah. People can't see that. I'm starting to get keen to see what that looks like. Multiple tweets saying, can you somehow show us Matt's regret phase?

But it's difficult to ask Matt to pose in a photo. He doesn't know what he's doing. Well, you need to take a photo and then take a second photo, second's later, because if you take a photo with me, I'm pretty sure I'll regret that. Yeah, what we need is we need to like, hand you an item like a pineapple and then say, yeah, do something with that.

And then you like, for some reason, hump it. And then, and then you go on. I'm gonna certainly. I know that. That's the piece, go. I didn't. You were the one doing all the humping on the live shows. Yeah, I would humber pineapple and I would have no regret face.

There it is, that's the difference. It's the difference between that and ours. We're very different. Give me an object, I'll hump it. Just give a minute, I'll just... I don't want to give it. Just as hand in me, what's that? That's a bottle of water.

Hump it. Jess has hung over. She wants that back day. I don't know what I'm... I've got the hump that she wants it back day. I don't know what I'm talking about. I've probably been through it. Obviously, thanks. I'm a little bit hung over. I like to call that doing a match to you at the moment. Do you have any regretters from your night out? Yeah. Yeah. No, I know, regrets. You're going to dress up party? I was going to dress up party. Theme. 80s. Nice. But it dressed as me as a baby.

But everybody at the party was like my age or younger. And it wasn't the 1880s, which is the same. Not that, not the 1880s. But I was like, none of you were alive in the 80s. So there's no nostalgia here. Like you just wanted to wear fun clothes, which is fair I guess.

Great. And so the fun clothes, let's describe your fun outfit, yes. The fun I went as. west side of the Berlin Wall. Oh, so like this. Sure, that's something when it was the Berlin Wall. It was very fun. So they went as the east, now a more more Soviet style wall.

Which is funny actually because we wrote east and west. Other than west was written like kind of like on the side and like kind of cool and then East was like very straight and regimented it was quite funny. We're making a political commentary. Just in case they forgot what side of the wall they were on. Yeah. Do you know whereabouts across Germany were you? Probably in Berlin. Yeah. We're talking the Berlin wall. Yeah. Yeah, we're in order to be in Berlin. Yeah, probably're talking about the Berlin wall. Yeah. Yeah, we're in the old man in Berlin.

Yeah, probably. So yeah, that's what I did last night, because I'm fun. And uh, that's fun. I don't know where the wall is. I think we left it there. Hmm. Oh, so you didn't have like a time where everyone started to tear it down and sell it. Right, Mr. Gorbachev.

Oh, down this wall. And then David Hasselhoff was there. I said we should have had a third person to be David Hasselhoff. But a few people did make those jokes to us and we were bloody the life of the party. I bet you would have been. Every time did you react like it was the first time. Fuck your funny. Yeah, of course I did. I didn't know many people at the party.

So I was just trying to be friendly and make... Oh, that's fun. Did you did the wall fold down in the end? The wall fell down. The wall came also. I could buggy. And the wall came down. Dum-dum.

Anyone? All the way down. I told you we went alive in the 80s. Yeah. I picked them one of them. Oh, no, I probably was 80s. Well, no, because the building wall came down in 89. So if it was about the building wall, it was probably

in the 90s. I know what that was about. I'm not gonna go good. I know that will piss you right off. Yep. Let's just go with the flow. Why don't I even be with the actual lyrics? Hey, let's talk about some other things that happened. Yeah, before we jump into the episode, we got to talk the semi-exciting developments on our patreon account. Even more exciting than just dressing as a wolf. Get out of town! Well for a price just will dress as any object you like. That's not true. Roof, ceilings, fences, she'll do it all.

Yeah that's what people would suggest. Unbearing and creepy. A creepy roof. Look at that sleazy roof. And for a price I'll hump any object you send me. Any object. A letterbox. Do some humpen.

Oh, I'm, I want to want my price by the hour. Wait, what's that? I'm coming for a whole hour. Oh my god. Wow. What's your starting use? That is it. Humping.

On our Patreon, we give out, so rewards rewards like bonus episodes and shout outs and stuff on the show, tickets to live shows if you support us on Patreon. But we also have an ongoing goal, which we haven't had one for a while because we have clipped out $1000 a month goal. Thank you so much. We've set up $8,000 a month goal and it involves ink and the skin of matte and gist but not me because I only hump I hump for cash. I just thought he refused to be involved in this which only makes me want him to be involved in it more than anyway. Yeah, so yeah, it means if we once we hit that target assume what we ever do it means that either Jess or I will get a tattoo because of the tattoo episode episode 18. Yeah, we talked about how you two have tattoos and I don't have one yet. I've got a half finished one.

And I've already got a dumb tattoo, so I don't need this. I don't know, I don't need this. So once we get there, we're going to put it up to the vote to the listeners to see who gets the tattoo. Who gets a managers. And a message will do a live stream of the screaming, the squirming. Yeah. Yeah. And I haven't mentioned that to my parents who are quite anti tattoos. Well that's good. Are you trying to...

Oh they listened as well, so they'll find out that this way now. Sorry mum and dad. You're attempting people to vote for you just with that. Yeah, I want people to vote for me. Yeah, because their parents will not be happy. They'll not be happy. Maybe we should run a campaign where both of you say why you should be voted for. Why you should get the title. I'm going for the, I'm gonna go the popular single.

I'm gonna also let the people vote for what the tattoo is of. So I'm just, I'm just a people pleaser. And it'd be fun if it was like some sort of reference from the show or anything. A photo of me. A photo of Dave's tiny tush. Oh, would you get our names? Maybe. I think I'm pretty much open to anything.

I think I'm pretty much open to anything. Would you get Jess and Dave forever? I reckon I would. I would, that's so much. Jess and Dave were four. And EBA. I think for Eva like for EVA? I'd basically get anything that wasn't,

obviously not the kind of tattoos that Dave would get. I was better off, you know. Only generally positive or neutral tattoos, not anything too negative about anything. So nothing political. Oh, you know, positive political, it could be plot the power. OK, is that positive?

Viva la revolution. Viva la revolution, I get. What about just I love politics? Politics is okay by me. And a picture of me thumbing myself. Pumming? Oh, as in putting a thumb at me. Oh, so many different hands.

So many different hands. What is happening? So yeah, that's a stretch different hand you thumb Dave, but See that's that's a stretch called $2,000 a month and well, I think we've got some beyond that as well If we go up beyond that there's one where we'll do a second bonus monthly episode Patreon episode so we do obviously do the weekly ones and now we also do one monthly for the patrons Whatever the puffles and then a big goal, which is the one that's most exciting to me is If we hit this target, which is probably a fair way phenomenal amount of money bit out of reach Or you know you know dream big or whatever, but if we get to that we're gonna organize a tour of America What's that we didn't say the dollar that's gonna include?

What's the dollar seven thousand seven000 so it means we'll go um I think the ones will lock in and then we'll see if other people are interested elsewhere but I would imagine it'll be hang on that's just two are planning I'm too a planning I want to I want to I want to get to New York City I think my listen square garden hello California I think I didn't square garden. Hello. California. I think we people, people seem to be in order over there. But I think our high is going to be. Yeah, we've got to go to our high. We talk about our higher so much. Maybe Texas, but yeah, I think I don't know. No, no, that's locked in, but that's just what I assumed. And that's that's in the future. Yeah.

Because that's the thing. Pennsylvania people seem to like it in Pennsylvania. Do you mean trans-Sylvania go penguins Then vampire penguins Anyways, guys I'm kidding. I know that Pennsylvania and trans-Sylvania. I know trans-Sylvania. You know, I was a joke referencing one I fucked that up a while ago. I thought you were at going for a tour of Romania. Yeah, I was going for that Let's do it. I mean to that as well So we're not far off the $2000 like there's actually not too far to go. The tattoo could happen. The tattoo could

vary. The coming months. Very easily happen. But only with your help dear listeners. I can't I can't I kind of want to win because I'm competitive, but I also would be pretty happy to see Jessica that tattoo. Yeah, because you know what, well, because I want a tattoo anyway. You want it. And I think my reactions would be pretty funny, because I'm a little bit of a sick, so live streaming that would be entertaining at least. What I like, the idea I like the most so is because Dave doesn't want to do it at all, is for him to get it. Absolutely. And I imagine that... Would you get Jess and Matt forever?

I think I prefer I love politics. Interesting. Oh wow, they're to each their own I guess. Anyway, should we get into this week's report? Okay, great. But, okay, I was one of people to maybe tweed in some ideas for tattoos. That'd be awesome. Yeah, I'd be so fun.

Photos? Someone actually sent one in just because they're listening to old episodes. They're listening to the tattoo one and they send in their tattoo. And I I don't fully understand what it is but I think it's like a pick or two-go Pokemon. It was a slow poke and it had swag written on its chest and had a mug of beer. Great. Great. I loved it. That's so good. I also thought it was fantastic. I googled pink cartoon character with swag on his chest. I'm like, it's obviously a thing and I'm like, hang on now. I think this is...

I think this is custom- Wow. Took me a little while. I'm pretty dumb. But yeah. Now you're old. I'm old. I was born after the Pikachu generation.

It's a different time. It's a different time. Different time. But please, when did kids play Pokemon? It's been going for over 20 years and it's still really popular. It's a different time. It's a different time. Different time, but please, when did kids play the Pokemon? Oh, it's been coming for over 20 years and it's still really popular, it's amazing. But anyway, patreon.com slash do go on part of you on a contribute, they will get a tattoo.

Maybe I'll get a tattoo. But you've got to win me over. You've got to win me over. Tweet me out, Dave Warnocky. All right, we're going to jump into a... Really, you're over to it, that's fun. Okay. We'll jump into this week's episode and it is Matt the man Stuart. Alright here's

the question. On the mark. Oh he's straight on. Okay well I love it. What is your... Fuck your intro, don't you Matt? Oh you saw you were so... No no no go for it. I thought you'd finished. Take it away Matt the man. I was just going to say that Matt's going to do a report. Okay and I'm done. Great off you go Matt the man. That is a sweet intro. Thank you. I think they're ready for me now. What is your favorite food related war? The Pizza War. Your favorite. Food related war. The Canoli War. That's a couple of good ones. Dave's had nothing so far. A cookie. I can't think of other words for war. If you can chuck a place in as well, place food wars. That was just going to say chicken versus beef which started you on. Neither vegetarian.

Colour wars because we've covered it Matt. Yeah, but they're down that champ. We love the wars. The Elbin Coffee Wars. Oh good one. Yeah, something like that. It's not that. The Sydney Coffee Wars.

No, it's not like coffee is wrong. The Southern Australia. Not an Australia. Whereabouts? It's in the UK. And specifically in the UK. Scotland. The Scottish and what food is it?

Haggis Wars. It's a dessert and it's a city. The Edinburgh Black-putting Wars. The Glasgow Pavlova Wars. And it's a city in the Edinburgh Black putting walls the Glasgow Pavlova Wars I'm gonna have Lava Glasgow cheese cake broader the Glasgow cake war the broader and different Glasgow desert wars Let's go this is frozen yoghurt battle broader frozen yoghurt battle broader like a glass go let's go ice cream was

I was kind of close to frozen yoghurt there excellent. Okay, let's go ice cream. How much fun does this sound a lot? It isn't I was so excited by the name I put this up to the vote right And it won in an absolute landslide. The biggest landslide yet. I did all UK topics or British topics this time. And they were, the one I was quietly hoping for, the sex pistols, got 7% of the vote. Oh wow. And a three horse race. Doctor Who came second with 19%.

But people asked for that all the time. Yeah, I know. 19%. Guys, you blew it because people, honestly, I've seen about 10 tweets saying, hey, it's good to be a doctor here. Yeah, I think it's in the Hanukkah, like, sorry, whoavians. Guys, go ask Crim Wars with over 75%. Do you think they also just liked the name?

I'm like, oh, that's gonna be. I reckon it'd be the one that people like, I don't know what that is, but it sounds great. I really, I was expecting Doctor Who to win. Oh, actually, I didn't know who would win, but I reckon it'd be the one that people like I don't know what that is but it sounds great I really I was expecting Doctor who to win. Oh actually I I didn't know who would win but I thought it'd be closer Yeah, why that is a landslide Anyway, tell us about these Glasgow ice cream wars. It does sound fun. Okay, wait. I have a question first Okay, we go to an ice cream shop. What's you go to? Oh? Cherry really love cherry ice cream interesting or yeah pistachio What's your go to? Oh, cherry. Really? Love cherry ice cream.

Interesting. Or pistachio. Hello, you are a fancy man. No, there's a fancy man. That's a go to. He wasn't born in the 80s that man. No, he was. They did not exist.

He was in the affluence too. One pistachio, please. Fuck off, mate. Oh, mate. We don't talk your language here in the poor suburbs Go to the ice cream growing up. It was always a double scoop Boys and very swell peppermint chocolate chip peppermint chocolate. Wow, but peppermint doesn't go with anything else I don't think those two definitely go together. Yeah, 11 to different meals in one cone. Yeah

When I was a kid I was mad for rainbow obviously I was also Caramel caramel I was also mad for rainbow every time One time I had actually this is bubble gum There was when we went on a holiday. I've got a bubble gum ice cream every day because of course I Did of course I got an ice cream every day and it was green bubble gum and then one day I did a green poo So It was green bubble gum and then one day I did a green poo Oh no thank you so much for sharing that story and it kicked off and this was last week The kicked off the beach ice cream wars. I did 99. I would definitely be a peppermint chock chip, but also

It like on the you know the ice cream chain messina Happy to be sponsored by them if they want to jump on board. So they're a big chain now. Yeah, they're the chain of them. Also, they team up with Tim Tam as big. Oh, you're true, and they're really good. But they do a salted caramel and white chocolate that I tell you what, it's a bloody game, Changer. It's so good. Anyway, I digress.

That's a nice one. Do tell us about the...'s a bloody game changer. It's so good. Anyway, I digress. Do tell us about the last because the ice cream was about a family that couldn't agree on three flavors. Man, I wish it was more fun than this. Anyway, I've taken it down. Let's just do it. But it veers away from the ice cream walls

somewhere along the line. The most famous part of this story is a more specific thing. But anyway, let's get through it. It's funny though, because one of the guys... Let's get... This is what he's voted for. A couple of listeners suggested this topic. Connor Jamison, at ConnorB Jamison on Twitter Twitter and he tweeted saying, you have to do the Glasgow ice cream wars.

Seriously, the coolest thing ever. And then I follow up tweet, well, except for all the brutal murder, which is less cool. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha school. Yeah, but brutal matter. Okay, I'm in. But that like the first I don't remember seeing the second one, but the first tweet I replied to my it's great. That sounds so good. I'm looking forward to it. I just was not expecting it to be what it is. Anyway, um, and also Carlos Cruz at loss underscore Cruz underscore who's birthday boy is this? Who's birthday boy?

Birthday boy. is this week he's birthday boys this is his birthday boy is yet to have ruined a surprise there but he's getting a boy it's a boy you lost got lost cruise I think I think what I wanted to say there was that he's the birthday boy this week but somehow I don't know what happened Anyway, let's go in the early 1980s ice cream vans mainly sold ice creams What but they also sold other grocery items So they'll basically like a mobile convenience store, which I love the idea of hmm. They need to do that more

Yeah, it is that's kind of cool idea. In those years, crime gangs started using a very enterprising way to deal drugs and other items, such as stolen goods. They used these ice cream vans as a front. So as well as buying a Choctop ice cream, you could also get some toilet paper, some dishwashing liquid, a bit of heroin and a stolen stereo system. A bit of your run-stop shop. You bought them all.

Did you get a discount? You did, yeah, yeah. And a petrol discount also. A bit of your run-stop shop. You bought them all, did you get a discount? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And a petrol discount also. Oh, great. Yeah, you could do those four cents later. One more. To the other country suit. That was a bit of foreshadowing there accidentally. Because of this, rival gang started to fight

for the control of the lucrative ice cream van routes. So I mean, all this is fun. This is probably what Connor was talking about. How it's like, people big gangster guys fighting over ice cream roots, you know, a funny movie. That's pretty funny. Many of these lucrative roots were in housing estates. I saw an interview with a woman who used to drive in one of these ice cream vans.

She talked about when she tried to start selling ice creams in an estate that already had a team of vans servicing it. And the day after, the day after she started, one of the vans basically just tailed her wherever she went around the estate. Whenever she stopped, they stopped and sold ice creams right next to her. And then she'd moved to another spot,

they'd stopped right behind her. So just basically cutting her market share down. But I imagine that to the public, it looked like, oh, they have foreseen such a demand that they've sent out to ice cream. Yeah, so to her, she'd be like, oh, it would make you feel a bit crazy. And everyone else's like, oh, ice cream, then.

Yeah, awesome, too. Wow, the green thing is synced up Yeah, so the back half of her cue would just go to him I'm sure and then they probably go thanks for making that so easy. Yeah Where she's like, oh, you're really making it hard for me to make a living here But it's also hard for the people tailing to make a living because they're also only making 50 I guess the thing is they're in a wider business like a gang of them and they can afford to

rather than letting her move into their area they'll just pressure people out and yeah so it is, I guess it's a short term loss for that van but with the long term gang of fucking other people out, fucking them out, what? That's an example of some pretty full on but relatively harmless intimidation tactics. Oh full on and harmless Pretty thought wouldn't you call it full on yeah, you're just following a business or it is unexpected It's full on but it's compared to what I'm about to talk about

You have watched it at some sort of In 1984 in the east of Glasgow in fighting between rival operators of the vans was reaching boiling point. The intimidation tactics were becoming violent and gangs were shooting up rival ice cream vans' wind shields with sore-n-off shotguns to try and move them off their route. Yep, that's definitely escalated. Yeah, it seems like it's... And this brings us to the most infamous story of the Glasgow ice cream wars. Andrew Fatboy Doyle.

Yes! Yes! Fatboy was his nickname, okay? Yes! Oh, he was in his birth name. No, I wasn't his birth name. But apparently that was his nickname to friends and enemies alike. According to the... I watched this show last night from the...

from 20 years ago about This part of the ice cream walls There was a channel for show called trial and error and and that's where that lady told that story as well But he goes yeah fat boy to his enemies and friends alike Which I like I'm like, that's cool. A nickname can cross boundaries like that. It can be endearing but also offensive. Yeah. Only my mates call me fat boy.

Not any more fat boy. Fuck. Oh, fuck an hour. Oh. So he was an 18 year old van driver, just a young guy to set a school. Probably wasn't fat at all. He was, was he large, was he large lad?

Well, the guy on the reenactment in this show was Shelby. Okay. I wouldn't have caught, he wasn't morbid. Sure. Right, but I imagine it's just slippery slope if you're driving an ice cream van. Yeah, well that's right. So apparently he'd drive the van,

but then he'd have like a schoolgirl work in the back of the van selling the ice creams. So he's just really the driver. But an intimidation campaign was waged against him, but it wasn't to intimidate him off his route, rather to get him to start distributing drugs on his route. But he refused. He's like, I'm not interested. He would have said in a Scottish accent, though, Dave, which Justin showed you how to do. Okay, I need to get into it.

Let's see the Sean Colory. You're not going to agree. Also, you're fat. Not interested. That's not good. That was much better than expected. Yeah, that was pretty good. I think that was fine.

I think everyone knew what you were doing there and could understand what you said. I just think. As opposed to most people who speak with an actual Scottish accent are a lot harder to disaffer. We fatter. They were. It's a we fatter. There's the glad we didn't accent it sick. It's so good. But there were times I had to rewind it. That's Billy Conley. So they went subtitling this English program. No, that was. Yeah, I'd love that accent. I don't know if you guys know this, but Stuart's actually a Scottish name. love that accent. I don't know if you guys know this but Stuart's actually a Scottish name. Is it now? I don't know if I've mentioned that. You've not. We haven't talked about your ancestry. This would be it. You know, I often bring up ads from before you guys were born and they're like,

well, how do you not remember this? Well, this one might be one of those. It was an ad for porridge in Australia and it was this boy, the Scottish boy right and and the voiceover would put it, the voiceover wouldn't put it, it ever played a bowl of porridge put in front of him right this kid and the voiceover go this is how you make porridge and the boy would be like, it's not how you make porridge and then they jump cut to another one, another bowl goes in front of him. This is how you make porridge. It's not how you make porridge. And then it's the other one gets one of those.

This is how you make porridge. He goes, I, it's delicious. But it's not how you make porridge. And it was the brand that they were selling. Uncle Toby's was a very good ad. Off to parody. I reckon fast forward or someone did a Magdash Shkrabansky who played the kid. It's not a hit, mate.

It's not a hit, mate. It was one of those ads that just locked in on the head. It seems to be a lot of those. It's the right quarter. Nearly every ad you've ever seen, you've quoted on this podcast. It's there. That's true. So immediate recall. It's quite impressive. Yeah, it's one of my skills.

Yeah, very susceptible to advertisements. I am, yeah. That's why I don't, I try not to watch them anymore. You only star in them. Only star in them. So he refused. He refused to be intimidated into selling drugs on his route right It's commendable. I mean I'm big van the fat boy. So the intimidation of fat boy. No, I fucked it. We fat it fat boy boy Scottish listeners must be hating this boy. Sorry all Loving it it's hard to know boy sorry all loving it it's hard to know this is all from a place of love that's what I want to know I like and here's Billy Connelly in my head now we

job it we job it and see if it was before you well is where would you be you'd be in the hospital or in February because you would have a dose of the flu or even flu or a sea. If it was nephoric, it would send you away. Yes. I think you said if it wasn't for your willy. Wellies. If it wasn't for your willy, where would you be? And I was thinking, damn right, Billy.

It's probably getting paid less. That's for sure. It wouldn't be able to harm anything. I think we can still harm stuff. Yeah, we'll be able to hump anything. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Dave, we can still hump stuff. Who's we? The us without willies. The willy-less.

The willy-less. You hump without a willy. I've never seen it done. Good luck. Good luck. I'm really sorry that I'm saying I'm so sorry that happened. So after refusing, he was attacked by a balaclava wearing gunman who shot through his windshield on this on this show I watch and I believe that he was in the van at the time. Oh, we fassy with the with a son of shotgun. Yeah, so

Obviously that's a that's a pretty big Intimidation tactic. I'm being intimidated by that. I feel intimidated by that. I feel like that's an attempt of murder. Yeah That's the trick. But I think I imagine it was shooting away from him, but still, I can't accurate a ton of shotguns. Don't they just spray bullets? And especially if you're a fat man. Yeah.

You're a big target. He's a big moving target. It's huge. Is that why you stay so slim? Exactly. Try and hit me with a shotgun. All right. I am. You right. I I

Look I don't like I quite like I quite like Doyle because I don't know you guys are giving him a bit of shit But I'll I'm fine fat boys. Sorry fat boy. Yeah Standing up for what's right. Yeah, I really I because I for me I would I would if someone's shooting at my windscreen And saying do what I tell you I'll be like All right, what do you want me to get a tattoo of a Pokemon? Sure I'll do it saying that I love Jess and Dave Whatever why are you making it? It's very specific. Oh, it's Jess and Dave take the vowel classes off

They're cool, but so as he's still refusing or is still refusing refusing? At this point I'd give in. No, he's. All right, I'd probably just quit to be honest. He refused to refuse. No, he refused to not refuse. What? He didn't refuse. He, okay. Which makes it get sad for me anyway.

Just trying to, I'm trying to give you some warning that it gets pretty grim. So that was the light part of the day. Yeah, that was, yeah. Well, the bit where I sang. Yeah, the song, the bit where he the light pubs. Yeah, that was. Well, yeah. The bit where I sang. Yeah, the song. The bit where he was shot at with a shotgun, not shot. Yeah.

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If it was just meant to frighten, then it went horribly wrong. As five members of the Doyle family died in the fire with another dying in hospital later on it. Wow! The victims were James Doyle, 53, his daughter, 25 year old Christina Halleron, her son, 18 month old baby boy named Mark. Mr Doyle son James, 23, Tony, who was 14 years old and Andrew Doyle, 18.

Whoa. So they did get that boy. They got that boy. They got that boy, yeah. Wow. I think three survived of the family, but yeah That's awful But yeah, supposedly it was it was just meant to be another scare tactic

Well, I mean a petrol fire, you know, yeah, sometimes they go out of control Fucking imbeciles, but so there was large public outrage over the attack, as you'd imagine, which placed a lot of pressure on the local Strathclyde police who were beginning to be projoratively called Sirius Chimes Squad. It's a serious crime squad. Oh, I see. Because the Chimes of the last-screen plan. Oh, okay.

It was a bit of fun, isn't it? It was a bit of fun isn't it? I also really wanted to squeeze in the word pejoratively, because they really weren't able, they were seen to be doing very little to stop the violence associated with the ice cream wars. The community outrage spurred the police in action really fast.

Within a week, a local criminal named William Love provided information of the police that led to the arrest of four men on charges relating to the murder of the Doyle family. I think a couple others were arrested as well, but two main key plays in this Thomas Campbell and Joseph Steele The the main ones in the gun here. Love a test that he overheard Thomas Campbell and Joseph Steele at a pub plotting to punish

Love a test that he overheard Thomas Campbell and Joseph Steele at a pub plotting to punish Andrew Doyle and planning the fire. Love's test only became the cornerstone of the prosecution's case. Campbell, who was one of the accused, described Mr. Love as a desparado, who for the sake of staying out of prison on bail for a couple months, he'd go into the witness box and figure any one of us. He figured me, he figured him, he'll figure the entire jury if you need to. He's a finger of a higher. If his finger will be I'm afraid, I'm not afraid to use it. He'll figure you judge, he'll figure you all fucking night if you ask me. I'm judge so I'm listening

So it's a good offer He'll think he out So he's testimony He think a night he'll think a him That's great. We've all been thinking man We've all been there's no shame in it.HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH In here, in here. In here. It's gonna finish that, but didn't really need to. That's good call. In here we'll do. Love's testimony became the first of three key pieces of the prosecution's case.

In the police car, as he was being taken away for questioning, the prosecution alleged that Campbell said, it's the quote, the fire at the fat boys was only meant to be a fri-t-na, which went too far, and this was the second. And he said that to the police in the car. He said that in the car as he was being taken away. Mate, I mean, come on.

Maybe keep that on the inside thought. First of all, don't plan the murder in a pub. Second of all, when you get arrested, don't just start talking about it. Yeah. Yeah, these feel like real dumb mistakes, don't they? Yeah. Real dumb things.

Yep. Real dumb things. Yep. Real dumb things. Or real lies. Yeah, maybe. So obviously that input... Are you fingering? I'm fingering them all. I did not discriminate with these things.

It must be love. And that app that is named love, the one I will figure anyone, isn't that what love is? In the end, the willingness to... No, it's not as I'm getting confused, that's a dip totally different thing entirely. It's a willingness to finger. Isn't that really... No, what it is? Then...

That what love is. This is my guess. It is pretty good. That what love is... It's pretty good. Thank you. I'm going... Not the content of the words, all the...

Just the head tilts, he doing that, that's the- The head tilts, he doing that, that's the- The head tilts, he doing that, that's the- The bottom lip, take a real- Take a real, take a real- Take a real- Take a real, take a real- Take a real-

Take a real, take a real- Take a real, take a real- Take a real, take a real- Take a real, take a real- Take a real, take a real- Take a real, take a real- Take a real, take a real- Take a real, take a real-

Take a real, take a real- Take a real, take a real- Take a real, take a real- Take a real, take a real- Take a real, take a real- Take a real, take a real- Take a real, take a real- Take a real, take a real- Take a real, take a real- Take a real, take a real- Take a real, take a real- Take a real, take a real- So obviously that him saying that implicated him in the crime Campbell denied ever saying it's wearing that the police were stitching him up Fingering and then they stood me oh no the thing is still in there There's a regret phase It happened though the prosecution's final key piece of evidence was a map of the Rachazzi estate. That is a hard word to say, I imagine.

You know what I told it potentially. Are you now, darling? Are you C-H-A-Z-I-E? Maybe. Rachazzi. Yeah. So allegedly this map was found at Mr. Campbell's flat. The Doyle's home on the map was marked with an X.

And it did it say, will burn. No, no. It was marked with an X. Did it say, will burn? It was marked with a little fire emoji. It was one of the most of a fire emoji. Like if there's a stitch up, it feels so. It feels like if it's a stitch up, they've gone too far. And if he's leaving this evidence around, he's not good at ground. He's an idiot. On the opposite side of the map was a dot to dot game with Campbell and his wife's initials. Oh.

I've said, in that show I watched his wife was like, I was very busy around that time. We had kids. I was flat-chat. We weren't sitting around playing dot to dot games. It is it just didn't happen I didn't I mean even if you're busy Yeah, like time. I mean I love the idea that's what love is that's what love is not about fingering not well I mean they can work in but a lot of the cops have gone to that effort if they have planted this evidence Well, I know something

We'll make them sign their names next to a doctor who signs your name next to a doctor Dock game. I think it must be just the initials so for the score or something. Yeah, probably. Yeah, I couldn't make it fully that's sign here I connected the dots and that's what I came up with Honestly, honestly if you are very good Matt. Yeah, no, I got it But if you're not even making time for a little bit of a dog, you gotta connect. You gotta connect. Oh, I want to do a dog.

What, like just, even if it's 10 minutes or no, you know, you just catch up and have a chat, like, have a deep breath. Like, how are you? How is your day? That question, I think, can really save a broken marriage. And I feel like I would know I would know how many broken marriages have you had have you saved oh I've had many a broken marriage have you saved most of them yeah for a bit yeah collecting them I got so many saved marriages at the moment yeah I got heaps

I reckon if a if a relationship is on the rocks that question just becomes fucked. It's like I Don't know it was fine. It's fine. Whatever. Just leave me alone. Sure. I imagine I've never been in a bad relationship Campbell had served years in jail it you would say that Never except any of the blame will you man? I've never done anything wrong. It's not at all what I said. Yeah, it's what you meant So do all my relationships have been perfect. But I mean, they can't. Obviously they'll either use by a day.

Yeah, it is. It's my kind of great. So they're not that perfect, are they? I don't know what I'm talking about. Campbell had served years in jail in the 1970s in the early 1980s. And according to the prosecution, was a violent man who had entered the ice cream van business in 1983 and Protected his patch from rival ice cream business the Machete family who Andrew Doyle worked for and he and he did it violently He'd violently

Protect his patch the prosecution painted steel this Campbell sidekick who was recruited to do the dirty work in the campaign against the machete drivers and fans So they're the two main men's machete Because machete is an awesome name for like a badass gang it would be when I think it's machete I think it's a family Can we please now yes the machete's it's such a fucking great name. I didn't even have to finish the sentence. You and I are so in tune. Okay, what am I thinking now? Can I have... Can I have a gelati, Mr. machete? I was actually going to say ice cream on the way home. Fuck yeah, well done! Of course,

real close. I just put it at the same thing. It's just a blot of terminology, my what a choice of words. No go on. Campbell denied this saying that he left his criminal past behind him when he joined the ice cream van business and he was just trying to make a clean start. Hey I'm just next con trying to work with children. Cut me a break. The prosecution had no forensic evidence against either of the accused and both of the men provided alibis though the alibis. I was playing Dr. Dott. He's wise. Both the alibis could only be corroborated by their partners though

but kind of that kind of makes sense to me because it was 2am so it's like I'd be weird if you're like yeah yeah, I was down, you know, with my lawyer and my church clergyman, and we were playing a legal game of poker. Yeah, it would make sense that your partner can at 2 a.m. 2 a.m. I think they probably know where you are. Yeah, so it's, but anyway, um, seemingly these things should have been pretty devastating to the prosecution's case. In my mind, I'm like like no forensic evidence at all and they had alaboy's but yeah but they're

fucking bullshit alaboy and they've got the map and he admitted it and he's a dirty dog all right but how'd you say that in the Scottish accent you doog I was gonna say, you dug. Dirty, dirty, doug. No. No. I'm so sorry. That's the doug. No. That's so sorry. That's so sorry.

That's so sorry. That's so sorry. That's so sorry. That's so sorry. That's so sorry. That's so sorry. That's so sorry. That's so sorry.

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I think we'll see that. I think we'll see that. I think we'll see that. I think we'll see that. I think we'll see that. So, it's feels like Dave, you were in tune with the jury. I am so, 100% guilty. Take him away. The pair was unanimously found guilty. And unanimity wasn't even a requirement in the Scottish. No, you just need a majority. Just need a majority. So, more thought he was guilty than even required to.

And the pair were jailed for life since a lot of minimum 20 years. Beautiful. So, minimum of 20 years for killing six people. Yeah, without. This is the minimum should be you. Well, I imagine that is the minimum. But yeah, maybe that was, I don't know.

That probably is a life. Yeah, 20 plus is what I mean. I think these, I mean you have to let them out after 20. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's life, but if, if, it's like a good behavior thing, right? Which is still, I agree. If your behavior is so good that you bring six people back

to life, will it? You are. Because I think on some like, it is, it's, it's gotta be different from going to someone's house and putting a bullet in six heads What if if you lit a fire I would much rather die to it with a bullet to the head than an apartment No, no doubt, but as in terms of severity of the crime I don't know Obviously they're all fucked, but

Different levels of So in this dog... Dirty dog. Dog. Dog. It's good. Dirty dog. Yeah, that's getting pretty close.

Probably still offensive to Scottish people, but it sounds more right to me. Ross, I'm so sorry, Ross. That please do go on. So this investigative journalism show, Trial and Arrow, which last night, sent it on the case. It was so good as well. There are bits of it. They use this weird device, editing device, where they'd have obviously two cameras on the interviews with people involved in the case, and they'd just be standing in their house or something like that. They'd have the whole screen, all of a sudden

would be a close-up of their face, and this weird sort of edit down the side, and then on the other half of the screen would be the other camera. So you'd see them talking from two angles, one close up and one mid shot. It was like, they're just discovered some technology in the 90s, and they're like, here we go.

Here we go, after you say, it would be a shame not to use this. This is gonna blow their freaking minds. But yeah, obviously anything that you think is cutting edge at the time is always going to look dated very quickly. I really enjoyed it. I was laughing out loud every time. So it takes a bit to get a good loud laugh from you. Yeah.

It feels so good when it happens. Oh man, it's the most gratifying thing in the world. So they in this program, the journalists found many inconsistencies within the case. One that stood out to me was the date that Love had said he overheard the man in the pub. He gave different dates for that. Oh, can't people get confused? They definitely can. Fine.

One of those dates couldn't have possibly been right because he was in jail at the time. Right Okay, so you probably couldn't have been he just got confused. I trust him The program was asking questions about the legal system and how it was unable to uncover these inconsistencies Because they didn't even come up in the case so the defense didn't know about them And I sort of I understand that it's the prosecution's job to put people behind bars, you know. But I feel like big chunk of that is putting the right people behind bars. And it was almost like they just wanted to get people away because there was a lot of, you know, the people big case family, big case people really wanted action. And it's like they're like, we're

just going to make something happen. That's what it feels like action and it's like they're like we just got to make something happen That's what it feels like maybe because it felt like I'll definitely a lot of corners were cut and At worst they just made evidence up. Oh two dirty dogs are in jail. What more do you want? Rest my That's it dogs. Oh, I didn't deal. Oh What more do you want? No, I fucking I lost it at one, but I was doing okay. Step it up again. I'm so sorry Will not be the last time

100% will not be You are so right there Camel and steel were sent to Balini prison. I hope it was a nasty one. Oh, I think it definitely was. Apparently until about 10 years ago, there was the toilets were buckets in their cells. Great. That was in this century.

Shitting in the bucket. In 2000 and 3000 and 4000 for was when they changed that. Oh God, that's pretty fun. And that's in like the UK. Yeah. Like a first world country. Oh my God, I can believe it. A bucket.

They continued to- It's not the Monty Python episode. We talked about shooting at a bucket. So it was, anyway. I don't recall that. Do remember another episode where I had a bucket. It was. Ah.

Ah. There's one of the other options for Monty Python was something horse, something in bucket. Like who would be more in bucket? I said I would do the bucket because I shat in a bucket. But have you really? But I just, it was the last option. I was like, well, I was spending a couple of years in Bellini. Yeah.

Well, you know what? When they were there, they continued to protest their innocent. Shut up, liars. LAUGHTER She didn't the bucket and fuck off. LAUGHTER After a few years behind bars their campaign to prove their case was a grave miscarriage of justice was gaining momentum.

But in 1989 their appeal failed. Oh, what does that tell you? They're guilty. Three years later a breakthrough occurred in their quest for freedom in 1992 journalist Doug Skeleton and journalist Lisa Brownlee published a book called Frightners and it was about the ice cream wars. Love was interviewed for the book, the fingerer and and love the fingerer. Love the fingerer. And in this process he signed three affidavits saying he had lied in court.

Three. Three, yeah, it feels like overkill. The only thing, oh yeah, so people were saying in a few different articles, like, and he had no reason to change his story, like there no game it's been paid off paid off nothing for him to gain but I was thinking you know unless he likes the attention obviously because this puts him in the news again so I don't know that if he was into that but everyone else who I read was saying you know There's nothing for him to gain whereas the first time around he I need to get some bail so right yeah,, he was able to get out of jail, basically, for, for, oh, that was the daily cut with the, the, the, the, the men. Yeah, yeah,

we'll let you out. Yeah, exactly. We're on. So it's for you, Dave. I guess I don't know. Fuck. I guess I don't know. The book's author said that the driving force for love was to clear his conscience. Explaining why he'd initially lied in court, love confirmed that he did it to secure a deal from self-saying. I did so because it sued him on selfish purposes. The explanation as to why I gave evidence is this. The police pressurized me to give evidence against Campbell, who they clearly believed was guilty of arranging to set fire to Doyle's house. So he was both saying he did it for you know,

to get out of trouble, but he also did it because the police made, you know, pressured him to, but that the police did believe like the police he's saying they framed him basically they figured the guy they thought did it anyway they just had no evidence of so that was sort of that's in his love smile love banner guy who's proven himself to be a liar so everything he says is sort of like how much of a do you believe? Yeah. This sparked new interest in the story, this book coming out, and also led to steal and Campbell increasing their attempts

to get attention to their case. They went about it in different ways. Still escaped prison on a number of occasions. Once he escaped though, he didn't hide. One of these times, he did quite the opposite. And he went to Buckingham Palace, handcuffed him to the front gates and super glued his hands to the bars. What? He did that himself, handcuffed him.

There's a video of him. handcuffed himself and super glued his hands to the bars. Yes. Just like a protest going, I remember me. And he went a long way too. Yeah, yeah. So it's, when you go that far, it's sort of like, could you, you know, he could have just tried to lay low

or whatever, but he's like, no, I want justice. Wow. Doing stuff like that made me think it's like, why would a guy with guilty, would you do that? No, you wouldn't do that. Let you add on the long run, because if you escape, you're pretty much percent of the time you get recaps it true

But if you do this and you look innocent people start Publicly backing you maybe they're looking to your case you roll the dust one more time. Maybe you'll get out Okay, yeah, the dirty dog you are you lying murderer You maybe you'll get out like the dirty dog you are. That dirty dog's always getting out. You heard me. It's always buddy getting out that dirty dog. I've got to fix the fence. It's time for a bath.

It's time for a bath, you dirty dog. Oh, no, he's off again. He really hates baths. He loves crawling under that fence. Mine fault. Campbell on the other hand went on a hunger strike that lasted months as they were trying to bring attention to it. You're getting a lot less attention in a J.O.A. where you're shitting a bucket.

No one gives a fuck mate. Go to Buckingham Palace. I had a thought about that. If the prison is not going to be trying to push that story, so if you're quietly doing that in a pretty brutal prison, he must have been talking to lawyers or somebody go and get this story out. He must have been talking to someone on the outside saying, get this to the press.

Yeah, but I mean that book probably covered it. Otherwise, otherwise it's, you know, it's a tactic that only works if you're getting coverage for it. I mean, same as handcuffing yourself to bucking and powers, because that feels a bit more likely. Live stream, my hunger strike in this prison. Yeah. So apparently that got him really close to death on multiple occasions.

So in this show he was talking about how eventually they took away his tea. Oh, so he's still alive? 20 years ago. Yeah, I was going to say that's quite an all documentary. So they took away his tea. Yeah, they took away his tea and his pens and pads. Oh, I get it. You don't want to eat.

Fine. Well, you can't drink. Oh, no. Oh, right. Fine, well played. Look, you're not allowed to have roasts either. Yep. I'm not eating.

I don't care. Well, kind of, kind of, a trotky bicky. Ooh, that, yeah, I'm art now. Oh. Go back with a tea, kind of that. He's a list of things you're not allowed to eat. I'm not eating at all mate.

I'm not eating. David, you're never babysitting my children. But I don't have. Okay. There's a bit of an admission there, just. I'm not babysitting your children that you don't have. Yeah. But the ones that you do have. I'm in charge. Yeah. When I'm not there, you're second in charge. Who's first in charge? Oh, Larry's. While saw this was going on, their lawyers continued to fight for them eventually having them released on Bial in 1996 pending a second appeal.

So they- What, you get released on Bial? Yeah, pending appeal. So it's just interesting. What you've been found guilty of murdering six people? Yeah, that's what I found interesting. If you get to appeal, don't you just wait it, wait it out? Yeah, it's like now you're sort of, it's the opposite, you're almost guilty till you're appeal succeeds, but finally, yeah,

you're out on bail. And I also imagine that the guy that has broken out so many times, that's also a crime. Yes. Yeah, imagine that makes it. So like, well, we'll let you out for that, but you have broken out of six prisons, so here's another five-year sentence. By this stage, though, their case was even stronger

because this time they had affidavits from love which they didn't have before. Still got the map, still admitted in the cop car, you dirty dogs. Only according to four policemen. Yeah, you can't trust those. You can trust this dirty dog ever before. There was this weird thing apparently, so the four cops in the car heard it but the one who wrote down him saying that was the driver. Is that weird? Yeah. So that to pull over or something? That's what they said.

They're like, I don't know if it really makes sense. Why would the driver? Surely the guy in the passenger seat. I guess the guy's in the back. Chatton. Chatton, they're holding him in. They're like, anyone keeping drug of this? Yeah, I am.

Honey driving? Multitast, mate. I got a voice to text. Chatting chat and they're holding him in. They're like anyone keeping drug of this? Yeah, I am honey driving multi-task mate I got voice to text Siri taking out He just said fucking did it so and no end and no Stop it fuck fuck Siri calls me daddy What I don't remember setting that. It was a joke one time.

Like, yeah, because you can tell Siri to call you anything. I don't mind that. And then I did something the other day, and I asked Siri a question. She said, okay, daddy, it's all over. Oh, weird. Oh, that's so weird. That's the worst of all things.

People calling anyone daddy. I don't care if they are you daddy. No good. Okay. Good to meet you. I think maybe small children calling their dad that maybe. anyone daddy I don't care if they are you daddy no good okay good maybe maybe small children calling their dad that maybe yeah six and under but yeah I know I agree with you I don't remember how or why it happened I changed it now well no it's not yeah that's why it was funny because it's a phone and I'm the lady. Okay Daddy. Okay. I was like, no Siri, no. Okay, so yeah, so this time the case was stronger because of these affidavits, right? Which removed one of the three key piece

of evidence, Dave obviously mentioned that they're still there. I don't know why I don't know why I don't know. I got the map and we got the half admission thing in the car half admission He said it was only yeah, he's sort of implied that he I half did that I set the fire, but I didn't put it there. So what yeah, I said it. I said it down the road Yeah, someone picked it up to now She coincided and said it went to the exact spot that my friend wrote down on the map. He's a bloody fire I tell you what, he's a rogue. In February 1998, the panel of three judges was split on whether the fresh evidence relating

to Love's testimony would have significantly affected the outcome of the trial in the first place, and whether or not it should be re-heard now. So it was split, which way do you reckon it was split? Lord Cullen and Lord Sutherland both decided it would not have affected it, meaning that it was a 2-1 split with Lord McCloskey disagreeing. And because it was a negative result 2-1, they were refused the appeal again. So did you go back to jail at that point? Back to jail. Back to jail. that point back to jail back to jail that's a weird thing you were out for a while even though you were convicted

murder no one has overturned your murder conviction yet so you still on the street and then this was the safe it could be I don't think this was even an appeal this was the safe it could go to appeal I believe. So yeah, anyway, but it's interesting. So they're back back to Jailiki. And no appeal happens at all. Not. Two to one. Only one of those lords. They're all lords as well. Is that still happening where it's just lords making decisions? The Lord makes all of my decisions for me. The podcast lords. 10 months later later they tried to have that decision to refuse their appeal overturned. Fuck, law is confusing. Basically appealing their failed appeal, but Donald Jua who was the Scottish secretary, a super sweet Scottish name.

Donald. Donald Jua. Because Jua is like a common brand of scotch. You'll find in the bottle that is around here jewers. There you go. I don't know if it's genuine or not, but you see that in the Scotchild. One of the cheapest. Donalds, the jewers, teachers, balance times. Smirnoff. The Russian Scotch. My helping. So, Jua said he turned down the bid also. So they tried to appeal, failed, appeal sort of.

And Jua said that there were not sufficient grounds to allow it. They're in a big old losing streak at this stage. And I reckon if it was me, I don't know if it was you, but I reckon I'd just be like, oh fuck it. Yeah. I would't know if it was you, but I reckon I'd just be able to be like, Oh fuck it. Yeah. I would have no confidence in the system at all. I would have gone up a little bit. If I was actually innocent, if I wasn't, I'd be like,

NAAA! Yeah. Nah, I was like, the chore. Yeah. Ah, you got me. Nah. Ah, I did it. Nah, I totally did it.

Yeah, but they continue to fight. At this point, their lawyer, a man named John Carroll, took it to the Criminal Cases Review Commission, and the fight went on. The years continued to go by as they tend to do, and the crowd fought hard against letting the Commission access paperwork attaining to the case. Attaining? I wrote that just before and I'm like, that's not the right word, pertaining. Yeah. Pertaining to the case. You know, paperwork about the case.

Yeah. Paperwork from the case. They're not letting them even have a look. The crown, you know, the prosecution, the government or whatever, they're like, nah, nah, you can't have it. But this is another government body, the commission, who wanna access the paperwork to see if the case was fair and everyone-

Not even let them have a look. They're like, nah, you can't. They fought them against it. And they're all, almost makes it sound like that's some odd. They're like, it's just like, just let them see the things. If it's fair dinkum, then to write, Cobber, you know what I mean? Lord Clark ruled- I imagine if you said that there'd be like in Scotland

sorry what are you talking about? What what's stinking? What? What? What? What? Sorry what? Are you not alright? Look at him better. Do you guys be near Glasgow? Glasgow? Glasgow. Glasgow. No. As a kid, yes. I've known.

And this is my experience. So, I know it's a lot safer now, but it was famously quite a rough city. And we went, well, 1998, walking down the street, turned my right, looked down an alleyway. You see a man not headbutt another dude in any the famous Glasgow kids. I saw that live and my parents were like, we've got to get we've got to get out of here. Wow. So the life that's got to kiss. That's cool. Live is a weird way if you don't put it, but um, okay. He watched so many, he'd read so many in the books. I will be headbutting live. Wow. If you give enough money to our Patreon,

I'll hump something and then headbutt it. What? What do the double? Put a dollar figure on that, mate. Famous, Dave, double. That's so weird. Is it? I don't know anymore.

Yes, no it is. Okay, thanks, Matt. Lord Clark, who was making the decision on whether or not they could be granted access to the paperwork, ruled in favor of the commission, stating that the commission has a statutory obligation to carry out a full independent and impartial investigation into alleged miscarriages of justice. And that the legislation under which it acts was clearly designed to give the widest powers to perform that duty. But that's unfair enough. It's like that's their job. Let them just review it. Yeah totally Chris. It's so weird.

Why can't they have a look? Yeah. It's their reason they can't have a look. Because they're dirty dogs and they guilty of crime. Sorry, I forgot where I said on this. They're dirty dogs. Yeah, it's a... A guilty of crime.

I didn't know it was saying that though, that was pretty good. That was pretty close. So I just left the room and Billy Conley was here for a few seconds. I was channeling. Do you want me to go? Do you want me to go? Do you want me to go? Do you want me to go?

Do you want me to go? This was a big win for Campbell and Steele and in 2001, three years after their last failed appeal attempt, the commission sent the case back to the appeal court, so they finally got to appeal it. So they get out again for this bit? Well, they still locked away. Yeah, they get out again. Oh, fuck, what?

Stop letting them out. The following month, Campbell and Steele were granted freedom, but only in the interim. If their appeal failed, they would have had to head back to prison. Think about all the cool shit you've been doing, like all the good food you be eating. That'll be about it. The potential key to the success of their appeal was Brian Clifford, a professor of cognitive psychology, and he testified that the recollection of Campbell's statement by the four police officers at the time of the original trial was too exact. Oh, I'm off it, mate. They wouldn't have remembered exact details.

All four recalled what he said, the sentence. Word for word, same lingo, same grammar. If it dude admitted to burning down a house, you'd remember that. You've just arrested him. No, you wouldn't know. Okay, well, yeah, you wouldn't all four of you write down or say the exact same words. Adelated, that's the exact same. And it was like in Scottish, yeah, it was, no, it wasn't. But it was like, you know, it was a 20-something words, all exact. So, and he conducted studies and his results were that most only

recalled between 30 and 40% of the actual words they heard. They'd get the you know the sentiment right? Having said that I actually can't remember the wording that he used. Yeah. 45 minutes ago. The the highest score obtained recalling what Campbell was supposed to have said was 17 words out of the 21. Wow. So, that was the highest out of it. Did you read the whole 21 before? Yes.

Do you want to have a crack at it? Yeah. Let me go find it again. Okay. The fire at... It was actually called in Fat Boys. The fire at Fat Boys. House. Was... Was only a scare?

Yeah, and it got out of control. No, I don't think you said out of control. It got out of hand. It went too far. Were you gonna have to lock something in? Went too far. Wings of hell. Got out of hand, went too far, I think. Say it, say it from the start. Okay, so... The fire of fat boys house. lock something here went too far wings of El got out of hand went too far I think

So say it from the start okay the fire at fat boys house was only a scare was only meant meant to be a scare Oh, this is fun So close and then how do you finish it? It got it got out of control it went too far Oh, man, it's so close so you've added in house, which isn't there fat boys Yeah, and you said scare but it was fright now But if you get that and it was just and Which went too far does know you added an extra little bit in there as well Oh, can you just read it back so it was the fire at fat boys was only meant to be a fright now which went too far Yeah, I remember went too far

So I think. Yeah, I remember it went too far. So I think that, that, yeah, you did quite well there, but it does kind of prove the point. We probably got 17 out of 21. Yeah, so it's a few extra. But between the two of us as well though. And this four people in the car, so between the four of them, they would get them all. Thank you.

But that, go to jail, you dog. You dog. I guess the problem was they must have obviously said, no, we didn't go back over this together. We, you problem was they must have obviously said no we we didn't go back over this together You know they must have said no, no, we all just that's just how I remember I haven't talked to him about it But clearly they at least let's maybe set it but then they they They must have talked about it. Let us give a bit of credit to the constabulary of the famous Glasgow Police Department who, of course, they've spent years taking witness statements, so they wouldn't be able to recall much better than average human like us would.

Interesting. Then what's the rest of you? Interesting. The dog. You're a dog. And also, obviously, you ride it down when you're driving. Yes. But, yeah, so he rode it down.

It feels like he rode it down and then everyone else looked at it and remembered it But why did it what did the driver anyway? There's all these weird things. Yeah, it's a problem sometimes when you get all these different sources and bring them in together in a one Report and even in my sources. There's all these weird things that don't make sense Most things sound crazy the more we think about them Pink Dave Humping and then had butting an object that that and they get less crazy the more you think about him. Pink. Dave Humping and then headbutting an object. That only gets less crazy than we think about it. What are you?

What would you make him do? I'm thinking like a watermelon. It'd just be fun to see him like, it's like first of watermelon in his head. Oh, I'm pumping it first, I don't know. You'd have to like get a hold on, anyway. I've heard him at all. Oh, it'll take my life. He's just Humping. All right, we'd have to like get a hold, anyway. I've heard about it all a little too much. He's just humping. Alright, we'll do a vote. Oh yeah right. So humping doesn't mean penetrating.

Yeah, I've got, I'm probably wearing pants unless you want to pay the full price. Okay, dry humping. He's dry humping or hotding mellum. You're not wet humping or water mow. How about this? Because normally a water mow would prefer to be wet humping. It's in its nature. How about this? Because normally a watermelon would prefer to be wet-humped. It's in its nature. I know you love your little poles, your little... Little poles, hey, Dave? Ah, ah, ah!

I know you love your little surveys on our Patreon page. How about we put up four things for me to dry hump at a head butt. If you're a patron, you'll get to vote and you will see that exclusive video patreon.com so let's do it. We're just gonna do that next week. That's awesome. No one's gonna vote. We'll put one option one option will be please no Dave and I will be very surprised if that doesn't win. No, as if that would win. That will win.

People want to see the dry hump. No one wants to see it. I'll be, as if that would win. That will win. People want to see the dry hump. No, I'll be offended if people that say yes. Even though everyone could choose not to say it, I think people would just prefer to know that it hasn't happened. Four objects. So just a now. So just a now. What? What? So he went for the tattoo but he will hump something. On tape and put it out into the internet.

Onto Patreon exclusively. Okay. And you trust those people to keep that in your house. Silence over there. They've paid for it. They don't want anyone else to see. Okay. Well anyways, so it went to appeal and this testimony from Brian Clifford helped because the appeal was a success What no no the scums back on the streets ready to murder another unwilling family How how unanimous was there not guilty? It's just not guilty just just just

So that that is basically bringing him into the end of the Report so they got out they got out what you was one of my great sources It was 2004 one of my great sources for this report Probably the main one was from an article in the Scotsman's newspaper I hope our Scottish listeners can tell me that this is a good worthy newspaper. It calls it so Scotsman that's one of the most important ones to get a good review at during the Edinburgh Friends. Right. You get four or five thousand Scotsman, you're all right. I feel like it's interesting. I imagine it's that broad sheet.

I'm thinking it's that respectable paper, but imagine it's their broad sheet. I'm thinking it's their respectable paper, but if it turns out it's like a catalog. It comes with the... It comes with your LD. The Kmart catalog or something then. But anyway, so I use that quite a bit in this. And so I thought I'd finish with a couple of paragraphs from an article from the Scotsman,

which was published the day after the men's convictions were quashed in 2004. And this is those paragraphs. When the judgment finally came, the end of Scotland's longest running legal saga was marked not by the raucous celebration that most anticipated, but by muted anger at the failings of the criminal justice system. As they were cleared at the court of appeal in Edinburgh of the murder of six members of a Glasgow family during a fire raising attack in 1984, Joseph Steele and Thomas Campbell did not turn to each other or their loved ones packed together in the public gallery, but looks straight ahead, staring unflinchingly at the bench. Their reaction was perhaps fitting in the circumstances.

The true legacy of their 20-year campaign for freedom has been their blink of determination to overturn one of the biggest miscarriages of justice in Scottish criminal history. The murder of six members of the Doyle family in an arson attack at the heart of the so-called ice cream wars is surpassing Scottish criminal not notoriety only by the horrific deeds of Peter manual who was hanged at Barlinny prison in 1958 after being convicted of seven murders. I'm gonna have that last bit in because I'm like I'm curious about this guy now I wonder if I could be a future episode. Peter manual. We know the ending now. Fuck. So it's interesting. It's the second most notorious criminal case in Scottish. So they went to jail for 20 years. That always breaks my heart when

you hear those stories of people getting out they were wrongfully convicted. But you can't get those 20 years back. So at the end of the case, people were kind of asking Campbell if he was, you know, he must feel happy or whatever. And this is a quote that I think sums up, sort of where it was at about it all. He said, there is no jubilation or happiness because I feel there is only losers in this case. The Doyle family lost.

We have lost our lives in prison. And for 20 years, justice is lost. What I imagine, if I was in that case, I'd be like straight from that court to the other side of the court to soothe the shit out of the court. The sewage out of the court. No. So the sewage hit out of the justice department, you know, 20 years of robbery. Yeah, he actually did talk about that as well. He said there is no compensation for a tragedy of this magnitude. There is no compensation for society robbed of justice for over 20 years.

Wow. It's pretty articulate. Yeah, you can't, like, some of those quotes almost feel like there was a writing process. Yeah, a team of writers. We've had 20 years to think about the moment that you emerge. A free moment, true. Yeah. Maybe that.

And then even years between knowing that that final appeal was going to happen and it being successful. And he's doing it out in the free world anyway. He could have been out there with some riders. Maybe there weren't such dirty dogs after all. Those tidogs. Those tidogs, anyway. He could have been out there with some raiders. Maybe they want such dirty dogs after all. Dirty dogs. Dirty dogs, he went. Dirty dogs, he went.

Dirty dogs let new tricks like cleaning themselves. He's just a regular dog. I didn't have any raiders. I didn't have any raiders. Figure that one out. He's like, he used to think of that, man. I get it, because now they're not dirty dogs. They're still dogs.

They're clean dogs. Nah, good guys. Oh, that was a fascinating story. I did not know any. Yeah, what a story. I have a note of that either, so yeah, thank you so much to our suggest tours. Yeah, we love when you suggest sort of maybe, I don't know, it was three of us, it's obscure to us, like obscure cool stories like that

So if you have any in-cling of something that maybe happened in your country that we wouldn't be aware of yeah, he does up Because we're aware of everything that's ever happened in Australia. Yeah, for sure But one of my absolute favorite things about you is how quickly you will agree to a joke, like with a joke, like just the... That's like, it's always so early in something dumb I'm saying. I love it. He's a real supporter. He really backs it. It's great. You got it. I mean, yes, me. Yes, so thanks so much to Carlos, the birthday boy. Yeah, who's having his birthday boy this way?

Good luck with your birthday boy, man. Yeah, you'll need it. They're're real handful. Sorry about the spoilers. And also Connor who suggested it a few months ago. And I think you guys are all now grey that it is the coolest thing ever, seriously. Well, a chef for all the brutal men, which is less cool. Yeah. Good cool there. Classic Connor. Classic Connor. Either way, you got to gotta back yourself Connor. You got it. You think murder's cool Let's go over that. Yeah, fuck awesome great story roll. Okay, so I was it was one of those ones going in where I'm like Are they gonna be able to be what harder to about this man? Yeah? Yeah, they were just a guy's head door

Dissecuse two innocent men that spent 20 years in jail of being dirty dogs So I think we should take some time now to thank everyone that supports us over at Petrion.com So let's do go on pod the people that are trying to get Jess and Matt tattooed Sorry guys. And the people who will see you hump a something or a- Yeah that's right. Then headbutt. All you guys have raised everyone. Normally with these sorts of things we discuss at a head of time and go yeah now we're all okay with that

And he's just coming out on the pod like yeah I'm gonna pump something. Usually we plan these sort of humping campings. Today I've just gone out. Oh, half cocked. Well, I'll give it my best. Now we'd like to say thank you to some of our Patreon supporters, our petron, and I would like to start by thanking someone who may or may not be part of the government. They live in our Australian capital territory. Yes, I would like to thank the one, the honorable, the right honorable MP herself, self-mess government minister for environmental crimes. It is Anna Casey. You know, what you've seen her out there talking. I've seen her. I've heard her. Alongside our prime minister. Yeah. Yeah. Welcome Terrible and her. She's the environmental crimes minister. Yeah.

Remind me again, is she pro or against environmental crimes? She plans the environmental crimes. Uh-huh. She plans them. She plans the environmental crimes. She plans them. She plans them. Wow. But do you think the crimes plan themselves? Yes. That's so good she makes you think that, but really she's been on a Casey.

Remember when people started to purge our divly color the minister for environmental chimes? Did you just wanna say purge our divly again? Yes. I like that word. What a great job she does. Great job Anna. Depending on what side of environmental crimes you stand, of course.

She does good work if you support environmental crimes. And if you're on the other camp, you must at least respect her. Yeah, you've got to respect that work, I think. Exactly. You know, like, and a job well done. Exactly. You've got to respect that. Well done, Anna Casey.

She's a result-driven. Yeah. Speaking of results- driven and jobs well done and speaking on the fly here, I would also like to thank someone who's a very frequent Twitter as well. I recognize this name straight away. I was like, oh, hello, this is a friend of ours. Very good friend and I think it's been a supporter

for a very long time. I would personally like to thank one of our Canadian friends from Vancouver. It's Cody Clark. Oh. Also a great name. Cody Clark. There is something, apparently there's some, I read this little study, that's not true. Someone told me once. I don't know, I read it in the study. They may have, they said they had, but they probably also just heard from someone else. But who probably read it in the study? If people make up a name quickly because they're caught in a lie and the made up name will often be a literary.

Yeah. Kurti Clark. So you're saying Kurti Clark is a made up? Go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, ask me to make up a name. Hey, Matt, make up a name. Johnny Depp. Give a name, you'll be a fake name. I'm Johnny Depp. No relation.

But I think Cody Clark's probably a real person. I'm fairly confident. I'm going to use her to fill out the Patreon form really quickly. Cody Clark. Cody Clark? Yeah, great. Cody Clark is. But I think that they also are a lot of the Patreon form really quickly. Uh, Coca-Cola. Coca-Cola? Yeah, great. Coca-Cola is, but I think that they also are a lot of the coolest, and...

CC. A lot of alter-eggos in... Peter Parker. Superhero universes as well. Clarke Kent. Mm-hmm. Uh... Iron Man.

Iron Wonder Woman. Wonder Woman. What's Iron Man's real name again? Tony Stark. Tony Stark, that's not quite right, but they're very close in the alphabet, T&S. I don't even know what that's trying. Anyway. When people under pressure of study are trying to know, first name will often be very similar to the last name in terms of the first letter.

They'll go, you'll never have an A in an X. No. You won't say, Alex Zennephon. No, no one is saying that. But you might say that because the last letter in Alex is X and the first letter in Zennephon is X. You won't say Alex Xenophon. No one is saying that. But you might say that because the last letter in Alex is X and the first letter in Xenophon is X. I've done it again. I don't know what you've done. I got lost there for a bit. Anyway. In Dave's eyes. I was. Oh blue eyes over here. Please. It's better blue. Hey, if you don't, if you guys don't mind, if I just squeeze in and there's love in for a moment,

Please. And thank, probably, I mean, we have so many good names, but this has got to be up there with some of those good names. Right. Smell it, baby. Richard Schubert III. Oh, very good. Give it to me. What?

Again. Richard Schubert III. Even better the second time. Yeah. He's also, because that's Richard the third, right? Dick the third. Mm-hmm. So he's, who was Richard the third? He had a play about him.

What else was, what else was noteworthy? Was he the one under the car park, Dave? Yeah. What under the car park? His bones were found under the car park. I think it's a lester car park. Wow. He's the one that supposedly had a hunchback.

May have killed his two nephews, locked him up in the tower because they, when they grew older, would have been... Less hunchbacked. No, they would have been a rival to the throne. It was jealous, because... Which was why. He's very evil in the Shakespeare play.

Right. Gotcha. Cool. Well, thank you to Richard. Richard's shoe but the third is f**k. I'm gonna be saying that all night It's bloody caught in my head. He's in the golden hat actually. Oh What a guy what a guy. Thank you very much to all of those those wonderful people. I bet Richard's super the third wears a golden hat Yeah, a crown. Yeah, I know that's what the middle call a crown

Yeah, he probably wears a crown. He's got so excited I crayon. Yeah, he probably wears a crayon. He's got so excited. He was always a crayon. Always, he's my crayon man. He's American, but I think he's still. He's still a monochist. Still a monochist. Till the end. Yes, sorry, I cut you off there, Jess. Yeah, I was trying to wrap you up. I'm gonna keep going. So yeah, thank you. Sorry, Jess, let me just wrap you up. Thanks so much for listening to the show, everyone. Sorry, Dave just let me just wrap you up there. Thanks so much for listening to the show everyone Sorry, if I could just wrap you up there, sorry, I'm just going on too much about it If I could just wrap you guys up there, I'd like to bring this show to a close. Thanks so much for watching everybody

One of the fourth voice just came in Like like do go on ahead of no rate of this whole time. Oh, that is so good. This week The three guests find themselves trapped in show with forest. If I just wrap the four of you up there. This has been a lot of fun. That one was an intimidating topic. I hope I did it OK.

Laws, me and the Laws, I did legal studies in high school. So I'm kind of on top of that. Didn't quite become a lawyer, but I did graduate high school. Um, as all lawyers probably have. Probably have. Oh, I see. We all have that in common. Um, but also, yeah, it was just a big, big old topic. Hopefully I did it okay, especially to the boys who suggested the birth play boy.

The Carlos. Carlos and Connor. Mm-hmm. But if you were disappointed by that, which you might well have been, don't you worry, because next week... Don't worry, Matt's winning you back with this waffle at the end. Next week, Dave is doing the report, so it's going to be far sick. That's right, Dick, the turn himself. We've got subscribed. We love Wanna Key reports. You do, I can't wait to hear that.

Can't wait. I've got it. I've got a doozy. I've got it. I've got a doozy. Alright, weeks in advance. So do we, right? Me too. Sorry, I'm just finishing my report and then at the end I waffle a bit. Okay, and send. He's sending it to his own. Yeah. Dear Matt, here's your report. Have fun. Have fun, but that's just a lot. It's just a fun with it. Matt. Kiss, kiss, kiss. Hug hug, kiss kiss. I could just wrap you up there, go ahead. I'm getting contact with us.

Of course, we want to hear your suggestions for topics and any feedback you may have. Ah, do go on pod at gmail.com or our Facebook Twitter Instagram at do go on pod. If you want to become a petron, we've talked about that a lot, then this episode, petron.com. So let's do go on pod. I'll be back with a report next week as Matt says, but until then,

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