Two In The Think Tank - 83 - J.R.R Tolkien

Episode Date: May 24, 2017

This week we delve into the Golden Hat and the mind of one of the greatest writers of our time! We apologise in advance for Matt's lack of Lord of the Rings knowledge. Anyway, JRR was a right bloody sweetheart so strap in for a delightful tale! Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPod Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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I said to myself. Yeah, out loud, you said, okay guys, no problem. Eat up. Sadly I love you. You guys are the best. Enjoy your eggs. And you click the microphone in, put it on the stool, I went, oh, I should have gone with it.

It was not easier than I thought. It was done. Hey, I apologize in advance, because I've been sick all week. Again. I don't know what to say. Right, it was going to surprise some listeners. That's the thing.

They'll probably be like, God, she's sickly. But I'm not what I have been. But I mean, normally I'm a picture hell. And I don't get sick, but I'm even sick for a while now. It's a pretty poorly drawn picture. Yeah. Yeah. It's a pretty sick picture. So we are asking you to stop the

podcast. Pray for Bob, hopefully start the podcast. Yeah, resume. And then but also just forgive me for will it be coughing and spluttering? No, not coughing, but I'm just a bit nasally. Oh, now that's good. Let me ask that. How was he mentioned every week? Like what Sheffield makes on every show now? Not in Billy Connolly. Lately, he's sort of ditched his teasing references and now we're going for Billy Connolly references. I miss the Sheffield.

Here we go. Ah! Miss Fine! Uh, backpops. I don't know if that was Billy Conley doing Sheffield or Sheffield doing Billy Conley. Hmm, interesting. I though, I though I enjoyed it. Either way, I was transported to another world with that performance. It was beautiful.

Thank you for sharing that. Mr. Shapfield, you've done a wee job in Wellington. Backpipes. Backpipes. I just said, the fender shit in the shoe. And she's blaming Mr. Shapfield. And not to see his dog? Oh, that dog would be dead now That's life for you. Wow, okay. Well, so enough about me. How are you guys?

You well, oh well, I cannot remember the last time I was ill I am the picture of health which makes me worried You like the picture of Dorian? No, that's right. Well God imagine what the attic looks like But I haven't but I'm worried that when I get sick, it'll be bad now. That's been a while. Your body doesn't know how to fight it. I got my flu shot for the first time ever last week. Oh, I got a flu shot, you got a flu shot, JP? No.

Because out of the three of it, I would donate my flu shot to you if I could. That's sweet, thank you. Yeah, I'd give you a double shot. Give me your arm. Oh, rub along it. I don't think that's how it works. Stop rubbing your arm on me. Just rubbing my little wound on yours Yeah, I think that's gonna have Getting benefits. No, that's that works. That good call. Maybe I should do that for we did do an episode on So problem with it is that you you can't get one more bank six

I don't know if you'll ever have an opportunity Winter will be over It's no good. You get the flip shot from three years ago that you can't get one more bank's six. I don't know if you'll ever have an opportunity. Winter will be over. It's no good. You'll get the flip shot from three years ago that you've been meeting to check. I'm mostly just, and the thing is, I've been home from work all week.

But it's not the type of sick where I'm bedridden. I'm just, I'm still kind of wandering around the house. I'm just bored and lonely. I'm like, ah. You know that is how, when you go to the doctor there say, are you bedridden? Are you house wandering? Yeah, I'm just bored and lonely. I'm like, ah, that is how when you go to the doctor this, are you bed ridden? Are you house wandering? Yeah, I'm house one. Where are you? Are you bored and lonely? Yeah. Well, sorry. I mean, you're already mentioned at three times. In the conversation. I'm just, I'm just, I'm bored and lonely. Anyway, that's what I'm

here for. That's just how I introduce myself. It's sort of just, it's kind of who I am now. I don't know how to not be alone. Hello, I'm bored lonely here for the two o'clock. Sorry, Jess Perkins. Sorry, sorry. Sorry, sorry, sorry. There's an anonymous chat room. Bored lonely at the two o'clock. It's my email address. Now, because you've had so much time to yourself, have you had a bit of time to research a report

or have you been putting it off all week? No, I've been working on it, and but normally I'll sit down and just smash it out, whereas I've been working on it over the course of a few days, which is new. That's correct. So it's ingrained in you. Yeah, it's kind of ingrained.

And like I started to research, I was like, yeah, this is kind of interesting. And then I kept going and I was like, oh, this is actually a really cute story. Oh, it's a cute story. Is this the secret of my little ponies? Yeah, yes, this is actually a really cute story. Oh, cute story. Is this the secret of my little ponies? Yeah, it's care-based. Oh, I've got to find a reason to hate them as well.

Yeah. And once again, as we were setting up today, I was like, oh shit, I'll just write a question. And then I said out loud to you guys, fuck it, I'm not going to write a question. Can I say that? I said that. Out of nowhere. And you guys were talking about something else.

And I had been pretending to listen. I'm gonna have a round of questions. So I'm just gonna ask you. I'm gonna start by the way. We're getting, let's get stuck in. Right, one please two. I'm gonna ask you, who is, okay. Let's name a few.

All right, we'll see if you get it. We'll see if you get it. You'd written a question. This is awful. Who? Now let's start with,. All right, we'll see if you get it. We'll see you're written a question. This is awful. Yeah. No, let's start with, no, no, stop that. Let me get the white border up. Come on. All right, grab an apocus.

While Jess is thinking, I should let new listeners know this is how we start. The topic is the report, give our answer question and that sort of leads us in. In a real smooth transition, as you can see happening before you're right now. Real smooth. Really smooth.

Okay, here we go. Who would- You didn't even notice that transition. Here we go. Who would you say? Well, no. No, sorry, but it's actually- It's to go on to ask a question.

Is one of the most successful fiction writers in history- Agatha Christie. Poirot, come on, challenge it. Chance, you sold more books than any other writer in history. As if I would even attempt to do the Poirot episode. It's in the billions. Agatha Christie. The guy wrote the Bond books.

Ian Fleming. Ian Fleming. Also wrote Chitty, Chitty Bang Bang. It's not Ian Fleming. Which was a fiction. I believe. It's it. I mean, I've not seen a bit of that. Based on a true story. Modern's not an influx. Which was a classic, I believe. I mean, I've not seen it in a bit of a time.

Moderns, we're going JK Rowling, Stephanie Meyer. No, Stephanie Meyer. The YR. The YR. The Cuckthorn. RL Star. No, it's not RL Star. Go further back.

It is an initial initial. Yes, it is. It's initial initial initial. Huntress Thompson, that's right. Initial initial initial initial yes it is okay it's initial initial initial initial hunt rest on some last night initial initial initial initial initial initial initial initial surname okay let me let me think I be safe for kids I be safe for uh, wrote a book that is a big book and has been split into Jesus! Several films? H-H-H, Holmes Christ.

Oh, how the hell. Was it, is the first letter of J? Correct. Solid by an R. Correct. Solid by an R. Wait, I know it. I know it.

Matt's going to steal the glory. Um, J-R-R. Uh, it's like, I've never heard of anyone say it, know it that's gonna steal the glory J.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R. trolls. Yes. The cold. We do is coming. No. No. Are you being serious? The trolls are coming. Winter is coming. What are the trolls? This is so tedious. This is me being a troll coming Sound the alarm the trolls are coming It's also the alarm the troll alarm It's very confusing. What is it? I get confused between those two things one of them is newer than the other and it's called All I said blooms there we go Alander blooms so we just are they are they from the same universe? What are the rings and winter is coming?

So are they are they from the same universe or the rings and winter is coming? Game of Thrones. I just cannot believe no. This is gonna be a really long out of a map. Yeah, he's gonna learn so much Have you seen the Lord your purpose have read the book? Have you seen the movies? I feel like I've seen parts of them Okay, Dave have you read or seen? I have my Yeah, do you just know that because you look like Gimli? Yeah. I wrote his Gimli. I don't even know if that is. Okay, yes.

Yes. So grateful. Yes. Yes. Or no, depending on what the answer is. I don't know. What's the Gimli? It's because you look like giblets, right? Yes! I have not seen the films.

Okay. Because I have read... As a kid I read the Hobbit and I am possibly the first Lord of the Rings book because my mom and grandfather are a big fan. Big fan. You've got...oh that's right. Your grandparents are the ones who are the Rings book because my mom and grandfather are a big fan big fan big fan you've got that's right your grandparents are a

conjuring wings on it yes still I don't know if that makes them one person that does it but he said mom and mom and grandpa well she said no so my mom and her big fan though big fans but they are could join yeah they are. Anyway, that was a weird way to put it But I don't want I'm willing I don't want to do all the episode by getting bogged down in this So I'm gonna let it go great. Okay, so let's pick it up from big fan So they've got like a mom's got a really old copy that my granddad had and my whole life I was like I'll read that as an adult, because I can truly appreciate it.

But I don't want to imagine the actors. Like Harry Potter was ruined for me by the films, because now I just imagine I can Daniel. I don't imagine it. Daniel, well that's because he is Harry. In a way. But I like using my imagination when I read. So that's why.

But I'm putting us reading the lot of rinks for about 10 years. That's interesting. Is it because I look like a gimlet? Ghiblet. Ghiblet, sir. No, you were right. No, it's ghibli. OK, this is amazing because, well, this is a golden hat

suggestion from James Roy. James Roy, we are so sorry. We have not done the recent. Well, that's the thing James Roy, because I was like, I mean, I'm going to take this, and I'm going to do my best at this report, but I don't know if I'm the most qualified. It turns out I am the most qualified. I am David Well, he's read the book, but I've seen the films

At least 12 years ago It's crazy You would struggle to find that many people of our generation map that haven't seen the Lord of the Rings films And here we have three people, two of which have never seen them. Yeah, that's interesting I know they were very big. Huge. The second one, one, Oscar's I think. I think all of them.

All of them, great. I'm not 100% sure on that one, but lots of awards. But one of the one best picture, that's right. Yeah, okay, that's what it means. But the thing is, this probably wouldn't normally be my... I probably wouldn't have been that interested. Yeah, not not really but one of my best friends in high school was Livia are talking yeah no sorry Olivia are talking her name is Olivia Martin and she was obsessed with what would make us watch it all the time so

her name was Olivia and you were referring to Dave in like a rastafarian sort of is that what is that what happened? Her name was Olivia Maan. So what happened? I just double checking that's what happened. I met Liv on the first day of year seven and I am so upset that I never thought of that joke. Like I've known her for how old am I, like 14 years, never thought of that. I'm so upset.

I'm coming at it to refresh eyes too. Yeah, you're right. I'm going to call her as soon as I'm done here and be like, hey, hey, live a liv'a man and she'll just hang up on me. It'll be great. It'll be a nice, that'll be a nice moment. Yeah, I haven't spoken to her for a while, I should call. Anyway, so today's episode is less about Lord of the Rings, although I'll touch on it

a little bit, but it is more to do with the life of Jaya, I'll talk in. Don't worry because everyone's seen law of the rings But from that night, so they're across that. Yeah, and imagine imagine trying to do a report on a movie that the two other people haven't seen Imagine trying to do that a trilogy as well. A trilogy. A trilogy. A trilogy. I'm not a trilogy. Have you got seen back to the video yet?. I've seen it just a very long time ago. I have not seen it You guys I feel like I'll be right up his alley. I think I think you'd love it We should watch it. We say that so often that we should watch move No, we never watch movies together anymore. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it All right next time we go to Matt's house. We're just watching movies. Maybe not instead of doing any work

Okay, so would you like to have a guess at what the J.I.R. movies. Maybe not instead of doing any work. Okay, so Would you like to have a guess what the J.I.R.R.R.R.R.R? is Well, Dave and my middle names are James correct. I'm gonna go for James David would you like to have a guess? John very good John it is. Okay. I reckon I've Robert No, how old is this? He was born in 1892? Okay, I would not get the second hour, but you can 1700s to 1993 well, you're not gonna get the second hour, but you you might get the first one another Rhythagoras No, okay Roger. No, Ryan. No Reginald

Reg no Regan Riley no Rastafaria I was gonna say fucking no I don't know rob it. No, I said that a run Ronald Ronald H. Hubbard John Ronald Reagan John you got it It's Ronald and then Ruel Ruel Ruel Reagan. You got it. It's run-out and then Rieul. Rieul. I like that. Rieul. Rieul. Entrae Rieul. Oh god don't bring that man up again. I cannot handle. Anyway, he was born on the 3rd of January in 1892 in Bloomfontein in the Orange Free State which is now the Free State province in South Africa. Um, to his parents Arthur Rieul, who is an English bank manager, and his wife,

Mabel. We know her name! Hey, Mabel! Yay! Mabel's a good mum name to her, Rickon. It's a great name. Even better grandma name. Mabel, don't you reckon? Mabel. Mabel's just a great name. Yeah, no good call.

Mabel's coming back in fashion. Rickon is going to be baby Mabel. Oh, that's key. Baby Mabel. Mabel, you're awfully quiet over there, Dave. If I had twins, I'd call be baby Mabel. That's key. Baby Mabel. Mabel? You're awfully quiet over there, Dave. If I had twins, I'd call him Cannon Mabel. Perfect. For some reason.

I don't know why, just because I'm sometimes in a window not talk. We know, buddy. We've built a career on it. Now, the couple had left England when Arthur was promoted to the head of the Bloomfontein office of the British Bank, which he was working for at the time. And so is Rich.

I'm sure they were fine. I think they were okay. By the way, Jaya went by Ron or Ronald to his family. So he had a brother as well, a sibling, a younger brother, Hillary, Hillary Arthur Realtalkin, and he was born in 1894. So they're only two years apart. Now when he was three, he went to England with his mother and brother, and what was intended to just be a family visit. Apparently both kids had health issues growing up, and their mum took them back to England thinking that she could just sort of

like surrounded by her family could kind of like get them a little bit healthier and then take them back to where that they could handle the hotter climates when they're a bit stronger. Apparently. They're sent back to health in that beautiful, beautiful climate of England. Yeah. Instead of the nice warm South Africa. The dry air is just horrible. Yeah, it's no good. For your lungs.

Anyway, so they just went back for like a family visit. But unfortunately, his father died in South Africa of, he got very sick and he passed away before he could join them in the UK. I think they were maybe going to be moving back or I'm not sure, but anyway, they never saw each other again because their father passed away while they were in England. That were in England. Yeah and so this left the family without an income so his mother does not reach. Not rich. So she took him to live with her

parents in Birmingham and he really enjoyed Ozzy Ozzy Ozborn, how did he say this accent? Oh, is he Birmingham? Oh, he's a bit like this. Broom, brum, brum, sharon! Yeah, that's Birmingham. That's Birmingham. No, I don't. I ordered you all sharon a lot. That's the home of like a lot of heavy metal who's Birmingham. It's like a real industrial town.

And then north, mid or north, mid. I like it. Most of your geography knowledge comes from music. Yeah, pretty much. It's not bad. I like it's, I at least you got some geography knowledge. That's true. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I know. I got nothing. So he really liked exploring some of the surrounding areas, which people would later say inspired scenes in his book, books. And he even had there was book, books. And he even had, there was, one of his aunt, his aunt Jane had a farm called Bagend, which he then went on to use in a lot of the rings. Philbo Bagend. Is that it? No.

It sounds Baggins. Okay, fuck. He lives in Bagend. Oh, really? That's really stupid. The thing is as well that people are probably going to listen to this being big Lord of the Rings. I'm only teasing. I'm going to go watching movies. No, no, no, no. But it's just like they would probably... And you're stupid, you're stupid, baggain. They would probably be thinking like, oh this

will be interesting and we're like, boom,r! Yeah, here's the most basic thing. Yeah. It's a lot of the rying? Oh my god. Am I saying that right? Sounds odd. Rying. They're all odd. I don't think any of those people haven't got this far in an episode.

Yeah, you're right. So, Mabel taught her two children at home and Ronald was a very keen pupil. She taught him a great deal of botany and this is where his love of nature really started, all his entire life. He really loved nature and the outdoors and he liked it. So there's more nature versus nature? Yeah, absolutely. He liked to draw landscapes and trees but his favourite lessons were those concerning languages and his mother taught him the rudiments of Latin very early on in his education. He could read by the age of four and could write fluently soon afterwards. His mother encouraged him and allowed him to read lots of books. He dislikes Treasure Island and the Pied Piper and thought Alice's adventures in Wondaland by Lewis Carroll was amusing but disturbing. So he's a little bit up to even as a like a five-year-old.

Yeah, he's like a literature critic at a very young age. Hmm, amusing but not life-changing. Sorry? I mean, a bit of a lighter reading. Do you want some more breast milk, mate? Your baby? They're trying to bring Danny's ego. Yeah, and he's like, no thank you.

No thank you. And I'm using offering. What do you have in an almond milk, girl? The head of your style? Yeah. Mum, can you change your diet a little please? Because this isn't pleasing me. Getting a little tangy aftertaste.

Mother, dear, maple. Enough of the Asparagus dinner's mother. Your urine tastes awful. Mother, he's really arrogant with his reading, but he drinks piss. In 1904, when Ronald was 12, his mother died of acute diabetes at Furncourt. Oh, she really said it baby. She's a change that diet. Oh, I don't remember that baby. That is a joke that I would make and you would go, oh that's fucked. You can't do that, that's fucked.

Now this is olden days enough, I think. You do it about stuff and living memories. You have the weird stories. If the people are still around who you're saying, ah, your baby died, I think that's no good. But if it was, no, alright, look, you're right. That is a very... That is a very faint line of draw. Yeah, but it's interesting. Sorry, Jess.

I'll ask you to edit that out later. So people don't know about my dark soul. But I will definitely leave that in. So now he is an orphan. He's an orphan. So do you like that, Matt? Is that a muse, you? All I heard was acute diabetes. I wasn't paying attention to that.

His mother died of acute diabetes. And you know how old she was? Oh. Oh. You want to know how old she was, too? 69. No. Well, I mean, you're asking the question like it'd be,

I don't know what I was gonna say. Well, just an age to die, maybe. Oh, what's a good age to die? Is that what you mean? Yep. She was about 34. Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah.

How old are you turning this year, Manny? Oh, God, who could say. I mean, you get this age, you can't keep track. Man, honestly, my mind is like mush. So she was there for the time, which is about as old as Matt, as a person with diabetes type one could live without treatment because insulin would not be discovered until two decades later.

Oh, that is fucking unlucky timing. Yeah, so she passed away. See, this is where your inconsistency really shows. Here we go. Did she die young? Jess? Oh, well, I would just say she had a good innings. I would have said.

I'm in a new car. I mean, you can't expect to live forever. He's full, that's right. She must have done a whole lot. She traveled, she lived abroad for a bit, she had some kids. Time to go. Next person's chance, come on, though. You're holding space now.

She died very young Jess. Basically an infant. Yeah, she was, she was young as were her children. Right, so now they're um... She had kids of that age. She did really do a lot. She got a job. She got, she must have got on it early.

What's it? The D. I was like, where's he gonna go? He's gonna go, well, it's pretty much only for... Yeah, I'll look at... She got on the D. There were two ways there, I could have gone. Something inventive and funny.

Or the exact place the day was sort of trying to draw me in. Yeah, the obvious joke, which is where you like to go. Anyway, I don't know what that would be mean, I'm sorry. It's because you'd like to go. Anyway, I don't know what being mean, I'm sorry. Um... It's because you're a... Yeah. So just to summarize, his mother has now died. His mother is dead.

Glad that's probably for you, Dave. Jesus. Yeah, almost. You did want to summarize that. His mother is dead. Now prior to her death, she had to sign the Guardian to give her sons to a close friend. Father Francis Xavier Morgan

Who is this on to bring them up as good Catholics do not trust this guy? He was lovely Well, I don't trust him. He's a father figure to them. Yeah father Bigger yeah, yeah, but he wasn't it their real dad was it? Oh, cuz they're real dad died exactly. Yeah, and we're killing yeah, yeah Matt and I think on the same page father Francis get Francis get up get up get up and it met your crimes Put your hand up, finger yourself. Let everyone know Hey, how can he put his hand up and figures

One hand up finger the other the other and with your third hand thumb yourself to So you did the crime, you do the... Figuring. That's how the saying goes. Isn't it? So he's a lovely guy. He's lovely. While he was in his teens, Tolkien and had his first encounter with a constructed language,

which was an amalic, which was an invention of his cousin's Mary and Marjorie, and so they sort of created their own language. Now, the interest in anemotic kind of died away, but Mary and others, including Tolkien himself, invented a new and more complex language called Neve Bosch. And the next constructed language that he came to work with was Naffarin, would be his own creation entirely. So that kind of makes sense because obviously you don't know a lot about lot of the rings, but there's an entire language of Elvish that he sort of created as well around it. Yeah, because he's like a famous linguist as well, right? Yeah, is that the language of the trolls?

Yep. In 1911 while- And my axe! Is that in Elvish? Yes, you're speaking Elvish. What does it mean? my axe. Is that an elvish? Yes, you're speaking elvish. What does it mean? It was a rough translation, yes? In English, of course. Cup of tea, please. Oh, okay, great. So, the tone is so aggressive. Axe. Is that tea? My axe. That tea or please? Axe. Tea. Okay. You know how when things are translated, like it's sort of sometimes in different orders to how we would word it. Yeah, the sentence these, Axe. T. Okay. You know how when things are translated, like it's sort of, sometimes in different orders to how we would word it. Yeah, the sentence construction is wrong in other languages in my opinion.

Exactly. Oh wow, okay. In, this is so cute. In 1911, while they were... Oh, diabetes. While they were at the King Edward School, Tolkien and three friends, Rob Gilson, Jeffrey Bach Smith and Christopher Weisman, formed a semi-secret society they called the TCBS.

Do they just tell people it was called the TC? Is that why it's semi-secret? The TCBS, do you want to have a crack? Well BS is obvious. Is it? Is it just Tolkien, Chimes, bullshit, whatever their names were? T club and Bavarian society. No, Berovian, T club and Berovian society.

So these people invented languages but couldn't even name their society? That's an adorable name, because they're just alluded to their fondness for drinking tea. And cows? Yes. Hello, I hope the bovines of the world would rise up. Bovines, Barovian.

Close. Look, I couldn't remember. You said it so long ago. After leaving school, these guys all stayed in touch. And in 1914, they held a council in London at Wiseman's home. And for talking the results of this meeting was a strong dedication to writing poetry so they're like these are just like friends from school that he's setting contact with the tea club I think that's so cute. At the age of 16 Ronald met Edith Mary Bratt who was three years his senior, oh an older woman, when he and his brother

Hillary moved into a boarding house where she lived. According to Humphrey Carp, he's done a lot of writing about J.R. Tolkien. He said, Edith and Ronald took to frequenting Birmingham tea shops, especially one which had a balcony overlooking the pavement. There they would sit and throw sugar lumps into hats of passabies, moving to the next table when the sugar bowl was empty.

With two people of their personalities and in their position, romance was bound to flourish. Both for orphans. Why, because they throw sugar and strangers together? Yeah, it's hot. Wow. That's romantic. Ah. They throw it into people's hats and people like fuck off kid. Yeah, it's beautiful. Ah, that's lovely. That's how romance blossoms. How do you guys do it?

Well, I don't want to give away my secrets, Jess, and I know you'll steal them. I will steal them. I want very lonely. I want me to be forever alone. It's good for the show. For the sake of the show. I've had many offers. Sugary offers?

Many sugary offers. Like, hey, baby, you want to come throw some sugar with me? And I'm like, I'm sorry. For the sake of my podcast, I need to remain lonely. Is that where the death-lepping to come throw some sugar with me and I'm like I'm sorry for the sake of my podcast I need to remain lonely. Is that where the death leopard song pour some sugar on me? Yes it comes from J. I told you. Yep in the name of love correct During the summer of 1909 they decided that they were in love. I like the decision

Okay, so I think I'm ready now. I am all right. Yep. Come to a conclusion. I'm gonna I'm choosing now. After care for consideration I have decided to be in love. Which you. Yeah. Thought about your offer. Talk to my lawyer. He said it's a good investment. Mm-hmm. My love. Yeah. And I'm putting it in you. My parents got engaged kind of that way. They probably won't want me. I'm, they listened to the podcast now, but it was basically a conversation of like, so we should probably get married. Yeah, probably. Yeah. And engaged. That's great. I like it. Makes it like it's surely it should be a conversation. It's so weird how the tradition is that one person decides. Yeah, true. And then springs it on be a conversation. It's so weird how the tradition is that one person decides.

Yeah, true. And then springs it on the other person. It's quite great. Hopefully if you're springing it on the other person, you have had some sort of conversation. Like, hey, where are we heading? We're on the same page, yeah, cool. That's why, yeah, like I reckon you shouldn't,

surely you should know the answer before you ask the question. Yeah. It's weird when you see people, those are awful videos that come up in Facebook for some time. I just hate the idea of any public. Oh my god, public. No. Put it away. Put it away.

Put it away, mate. No, wait, I would hate that so much. I would be, I often think it's people that have no, like they do nothing else creative in their life. And they're like, is that big one? Well, I know, there's nothing at the NBA grand final. Here we go. But it's kind of like, you know, it's like, no, that is just, don't ever do that.

And also, don't like make a lame video about your love and put it in, and don't show it to me. Yeah, I don't want to say it. It's between you two. But I think maybe like, what if, what if they discuss and said, you know, what would be so good if you did the surprise mid at the NBA going far?

Next week, we can- Playoff match number three. Next week, I'm going to be both got tickets. Yeah. I don't know, I just think it's so much. Even then, it's like, just don't put that on the rest of the crowd. Yeah, it's so hard. I got to pretend that they care now.

Makes me uncomfortable. I would hate that so much. Yeah, statistically, you're probably going to get divorced. Don't bring that to their buddy. This nice friendly friendly buddy basketball match They were all thinking about divorce. Oh No good you got that on ahead all of a sudden Shack's off his game. Shack can't make a three-point of his shit now That's Shack. Imagine all the other players. They're not as good as Shack. I don't think Shack was a great shooter. I reckon Shack

Told you to shut the fuck up Shack was a great shooter. I reckon Shack told you to shut the fuck up. Shack off, mate. Yeah, Shack off. What a load of Bavarian society. Maldit. That's not right, Barovian. There we go.

Bavarian Apple. Oh man, I love the chocolate Bavarian. If favorite dessert ever. When I go to pancake parlors, I get Bavarian Apple. It's like, stood Apple and cinnamon. On some pancakes and bloody yummy. Anyway, so Edith and Ronald have decided to be a month.

What do you think of the name Edith? One of us makes name. I mean, love it. Oh, I've made Edith. She's the best. She's great. So maybe it's because of her that I'm just a big fan of the name.

Yeah, but does she shorten it at all? Or does she get a name? I call her death. For sure. Sick. Or death. Or yeah, anyway. No, I've met her and she is cool, actually. She's cool.

Yeah, she makes that name cool. Yeah, all right. Now, she's kind of, she's wanting me over a little bit there, actually. I like that. I like the edi. Yeah, edi works. Oh, she's options. Actually, I've got my cousin had a baby and she must be Edith because she's Edie.

Edie. And my grandpa's name is Edie. And so they like to take pictures together, like, Edie and Edie. You know, because it's just like one letter different. I think that's really, and I think a photo is the best medium to show that. I could not agree more. Yeah, absolutely. It's just an old man holding a baby.

I thought it was going to take some explaining to the viewer. This is going to need a caption. This is going to need a very clear caption. I guess this is my grandfather. His name is Eddie. And my daughter, her name is Eddie. If you can see by the clearly that's been some sort of typo. They both kind of have the same same names of one letter different. But the thing is that they're pronounced differently. Okay, so it also needs some sort of audio. Okay, video is going to be best of think. And then a public proposal. I think we're just maybe going to shelve this project for a while. Just why talking was so fast and with language. This is endless things you can do with it. Eddie, Eddie, the list goes on. Okay, so, Eddie and Ronnie are in love.

But his guardian Father Morgan saw Edith as a reason for Tolkien having muffled his exams. I wonder if that made him. Betty was a muffin. Oh, Burt couldn't get enough of the muffin. He's a good Catholic boy, excuse me. Yeah, I think Dave means he was eating too many muffins got crumbles on the exam. That's what Francis Man. Yeah, I think so too. So he said he say Francis I told you his trouble. He hates love. He loves hate. Which is hard for him because he doesn't love it to love anything. Well, he also wasn't happy that his surrogate son was romantically involved with an older Protestant woman. I mean, she's three years older, but it's 16

That's a fair gap. You know nowadays I take anything You should have seen it. Oh Three years I let that alone day. I expect it better from you I'm up to it. I really loved it. You must that gap No, please edit. He prohibited him from meeting, talking to or even corresponding with her until he was 21. In 1941, let it his son, Michael, Tolkien recalled,

I had to choose between disobeying and deceiving a guardian who had been a father to me, more than most fathers, not sure what that means, And dropping the love affair until I was 21. I don't regret my decision, though it was very hard on my lover, but it was not my fault. She was completely free and under no vow to me, and I should have had no, no just complaint if she'd gotten married to someone else. For very nearly three years, I did not see or write to my lover. It was extremely hard, especially at first. The effects were not wholly good. I fell back into foolly and Slackness and miss spent a good deal of my

first year at college. Right, it sounds like he's muffin' all day long. Yeah, Folly and Slackness, that's a euphemism. You people are disgusting, this is really sweet. Do I think that's what he meant? What do you reckon he meant? Folly and Slackness. Yeah, because he wasn't with you. Yeah, he couldn't concentrate. Oh, so he got Slack. Yeah, I guess wasn't with her. Yeah, he couldn't concentrate. Oh

So he got slack. Yeah, I guess that makes sense. It was all like what's folly something of missing I'm just I'm just reading the quote man. I don't know. I'm reading the quote between the lines Look if you zoomed in on that letter Jess. You would have seen some text saying What Matt was saying. Oh, okay? Cool. It's time I'm sure to over it again. Alright, so he's not in the messages. He's not allowed to speak to her until he's 21. So on the evening of his 21st birthday, he wrote to her, and she was living with a family friend,

C.H. Jessup, in Cheltenham, and he declared that he'd never ceased to love her and asked her to marry him. She replied that she had already accepted the proposal of George Field, the brother of one of her closest marry him. She replied that she had already accepted the proposal of George Field, the brother of one of her closest school friends. Eda said however that she had agreed to marry Field only because she felt on the shelf and had begun to doubt that Tolkien still cared for her. She explained that because of Tolkien's letter, everything had changed. Ah, Fieldy. So on the 8th of January, no, this is good.

It sucks for Fieldy. Yeah, fuck it. But he did go and form the wiggles, so I guess I ran out of wind. On the 8th of January, so he wrote to her on the evening of his birthday, which was like the 3rd of January. So a week later, he traveled by train to Cheltenham, and he met with Edith, and they took a walk in the countryside. They sat under a railway. Okay, and talked. And by the end of the day, Edith had agreed to accept Tolkien's proposal.

She wrote to Field and returned her engagement ring. So he didn't take it to the NBA playoff game number three. Like they'd always discussed. What a betrayal. Heartbreak. But that is actually very beautiful that they've held the flame for what, five years? 16 to 21.

We see, I mean, sort of, but she got engaged in that time, which just feels brutal. She got engaged because she thought she was on the shelf. Well, she thought that like he had just sort of given up on her. So, yeah, what a sad time. Well, because he wasn't even allowed to write to it. Wasn't it, if he could write to her and say, it's cool, babe, still love you. Yeah, but don't you, isn't that something a bit wrong about getting engaged to someone when you love someone else? Yes, I feel feels gross. I'm feeling for field. Why?

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Always drive safely. Apparently, upon learning of Edith's new plans, her friend, C.H. Jess, of the one she was living with, wrote to her guardian, I have nothing to say against Tolkien. He is a culture gentleman, but his prospects are poor in the extreme. And when he will be in a position to marry, I cannot imagine. Had he adopted a profession, that would have been different? So he's like this guy. He's no good, no prospects. No prospects. No prospects. What a see it offer. Prove him wrong. Is he? Yeah. Following their engagement, he

reluctantly announced that she was converting to Catholicism at Tolkien's insistence. And again, this friend, Jessup, like many others, his age and class, was strongly anti-Catholic and he was infuriated and he kicked her out of the house, though, he was like, you know, live somewhere else. This is one of my favorite things is how there was a time where Protestants and Catholics hated each other. I couldn't tell you what the difference between the two are. They both believe in Jesus.

I think they're both their barbels, their book. And so weird that like, it just shows how funny humans are, that they just love a difference in an enemy. Mm. And that just like a tiny little split and that's it. That's enough. Now you just, yeah. Yeah.

I know one of them that I think Protestants, um, priests can marry their reverence, right? I have no idea. I think that's right. And Catholic priests can't. I think that's a big, I know Catholic priests can't. That's the big bloody difference. Yeah. Apart from that. But there's like whole cities that have been like a bellfast in Ireland, Northern Ireland. It's just like it's still. Yeah, there's some areas that are blue and some are red. They're sort of like color coded based on religion.

I was there in August. So it was like six, seven months ago. And they took us on a tour around bellfast. And like they're still like these walls that they built to divide the communities are just like enormous. And they're like, oh, it's much better now. We still lock the gates at night. And I'm like, really? Oh my god. Like it was, it was so strange. It was incredible. Like it wasn't, yeah, really interesting, but it really hit you as well. I was like, oh, wow. Beautiful murals, though. Beautiful

murals. That was beautiful. And the people. So lovely. Ah. Genuinely they are the lovelies people. Yeah, I had a great time there. So the dropkick Murphy's. Supported by the living end.

The alpha. So it was a real cool gig. That was very cool. Living in in Belfast. Yeah, yeah. That was pretty sick. So it was night. It was so sick.

But that's fucking sick. So they were formally engaged in January of 1913 and married at St Mary's Immaculate Roman Catholic Church on the 22nd of March 1916. Oh three year engaged. I know they wait these ones. Again, so what's nice about Tolkien is that he wrote a lot of letters to his kids. He had four kids. And so you sort of get like really nice insights into everything, like just because they've actually got like written evidence of what he thought and stuff like that. And so in a letter in the 40s to his son,

he expressed admiration for his wife's willingness to marry a man with no job, little money, and no prospects except the likelihood of being killed in the Great War. She's like, even though she's still under marry me. That's nice. So speaking of the Great War... Anyway, where's Fieldy? Yeah, Newcaz.

What's he doing now? Who cares? Is he doing well? Fuck off Fieldy. No one cares. I bet you he died in the fields. Who cares? I bet you he did.

He sounds like the most tragic character I've ever come to. I'm actually not sure what happened to him. Yeah. Yeah. So we can hypothesize all you like actually. Yeah, if you want. Hey, Oregonie, I bet you we died and he bet you we died in the war. On the last day of the war. Yeah, they were about to clock off. He was putting his ticket in and he was clocking off and it exploded the ticket to the floor of his hand, played to death, very slowly, tragic. Wow, that's awful. And he was holding in his other hand the engagement ring. Because he never let it go.

Oh, but it's fine when the other one does and ever let it go. I'm giving myself a little spell. OK, I can have a little break. He's pushing the mic away, he's done now. Now he's having a break. OK,, I'm going to get a little break. He's pushing the microwave down now. No need to have a break. Okay, so I'm going to talk a little bit now about the Great War. Dave, there's a lot of French names and places in here. So I'll be getting your input, obviously.

There's the French speaker of the pod. There's the translator. Thank you. Aficionale. So in August of 1914, United Kingdom entered the First World War. Tolkien's relatives were shocked that when he elected not to immediately volunteer for the British Army. Again, in 1941, letter to his son, he said, in those days, chaps joined up or was scorned publicly. It was a nasty cleft to be in for a young man with too much imagination and little physical courage.

Instead, he entered a program where he delayed his enlistment until completing his degree. So I was like, I'm studying. But once he finished, he was straight in. And he, um, yeah, when I'm done, I'm so in. I am so, so in. So keen. Can I take 20 years to do this PhD? Yeah. Because you'd probably be hoping the by the time you finished, like the war would be over. But that was not the case. Um, so like you'd probably be hoping the by the time you finished like the ward be over but that was not the case. So I'd really love to but I'm going to take a gap year. Yeah. I'm just going to travel a bit. I'm deferring and then I'm coming back to finish. So I'm not technically finished my studies. I've got two more units. I'm going to part time. One unit of semester. Yeah. Just like I can really dedicate myself to it. I want to do really well.

I want to learn. Yeah, I'm here to learn I'm not here to fathom about I'm not fathom. I'm not here to muff about either I'm not fuck I'm not here to fuck spiders still one of the weirdest Express I can't understand I grew up with it as not here to fuck fish But apparently that's that's the minor like no one else says it like that. Okay, so if you from overseas and Australian phrase is it Australian phrase? Oh Okay, so if you're from overseas and Australian phrase. Is it Australian phrase? Oh, without a doubt. We're not here to fuck spiders. We're not here to muck around.

We're not here to waste time. Yeah. We're serious. We're here to be. We're not here to fuck spiders. Yeah. God, we're just linguists, don't we? Yeah, but I think...

So poetic. So anything fuck fisher sounds, it's way more pleasing. Is it because of the elevation? Yeah, we're Asian, yeah. Not here to fuck fish. Fuck fish. No way more pleasing. Is it because of the elevation? Yeah, it's a little bit more. Yeah, not either, fuckfish. Fuckfish. No, I like spiders. What'd you call me?

A fuckfish. Oh, please do go on. Carry on. So he completely studies in July of 1915 and he trained with the 13th Battalion. So he's straight in. For 11 months, yep. Oh, he did 11 months of training.

Hmm. It's a long time. In a letter to Ears. Often they'd be like, great, you've got you gone. Off we go. See ya. In a letter to his wife, he complained that gentleman a rare among the superiors and even human beings rare indeed. Oh, brutal. Smack down. Following their wedding, Lieutenant and Mrs. Tolkien took up lodging near the training camp. Um, in June, he received a telegram, summoning him to folk stone for posting to France, and the Tolkien spent the night before his departure in a room at the plow and harrow hotel in Birmingham.

He later wrote, Jr. officers were being killed off a dozen a minute, parting from my wife then. It was like a death. He's so beautiful. He just loves his wife. It's so nice. You know? Just a bit dramatic, I think. Oh, you are just like a danna notchman. You are a piece of shit.

You are dead inside. You have no love. You got a picture that they're talking about. This is all. Boom boom boom. That's not quite right. But it's something like, it's really low down. I think the Birmingham accent is all from boom. So that means that he's.

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Effected me deeply I was there for it in the early 1980s and you were What are you I'm wondering yeah, I've so many great bands came from it. The list goes on. So many. It's all. So on the 5th of June in 1916, Tolkien boarded a troop transport for an overnight voyage to Calais while waiting to be summoned to his unit Tolkien's sank into boredom.

To pass the time, he composed a poem entitled poem entitled the lonely aisle which was inspired by his feelings during the sea crossing To evade the British army's postal censorship He developed a code of dots by which Edith could track his movements So he would like send her letters with like this code in there so she would know where he was So you couldn't just write I'm'm here. No, you couldn't. I think it's because of the, because of the, um, their censorship. Because if that was, so that, that radius that would be like, what are these dots mean? Don't worry about it.

Just doodling. Are you a spy? No. Check it out. If he was like, hi honey, I'm just at the, this, this is my long two latitude. Yeah. I'll soon be moving northwards. I imagine the note wasn't just dots. It would have been hidden in there somewhere. at this, this is my long-toed latitude. Yeah. I'll soon be moving northward.

I imagine the note wasn't just dots. It would have been hidden in there somewhere. Yeah, it would have been normal. So I'd just check in and let you know everything's going great. Having a great time. Dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot miss you. So that was a really long ellipses.

That's all right, is it? That's right. Yes. Another word I'd only ever seen written. All right. Yeah, so he would, I think that's cute. Yes. Another word I'd only ever seen written. Alright. Um, yeah, so he would, I think that's cute. They had a little, um, you guys are dead inside. Like that's so sweet.

Uh, am I going to send it to the dots all the time? Why does that sound so creepy coming from him? Do you just send a text message to the dots? Yeah. I mean, he was like, you have a written back. Do that, do that right now and I want to see what she replies. Okay, sounds fun. Send a four dots. just dots. Yeah. I'm only gonna say, you have a written back. Do that right now and I wanna see what she replies. Okay, sounds fun. Send a four dots.

Four dots. Send a four dots. Four, is that where we are? Yeah, four dots. If you send me that, I would reply. You drunk DW. Yeah, I wanna see what she says. Okay, I'm sent four dots.

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protocol forbade him from developing friendships with other ranks as you just sent back five dots. You wrote back, why are you sending these dots? And rather ironically there, when she's typing the next message, three dots have come up and then she wrote, I do not care for them. Now you have to explain it to the podcast. No, I just leave it. Great, she'll never know. Um, cool, okay, so it's not allowed to be friends with them but he quite likes these guys.

And then he later lamented, the most improper job of any man is bossing other men. Not one and a million is fit for it and least of all those who seek the opportunity. Isn't that beautiful? That's true, those who seek power. Right, Matt. Like, power's eager over there. Yeah, I'm inclined to the long game and I'm going to take you down and take all the power you have. Robus of that power. That's true, I have heaps of power. The 27th of October, 1916, he's battalion attacked Regina Trinch.

Tolkien came down with Trinch fever, a disease that was carried by Lice, which were very common in the dugouts. He was sent to England because he was very sick. He got quite sick with this trench fever, so they sent him home. Oh, to be sent home, you have to be pretty ill-earned. Yeah, he was quite sick. Many of his dearest school friends were killed in the war. Among them were Rob Gilson of the T-club, who was killed on the first day of the Battle of the Song while leading his men into assault. And the other members as well, Jeffrey Smith was killed during the same battle and Tolkien's battalion battalion. I

always say battalion, I don't know why. Battalion was almost completely wiped out following his return to England, so's lost wow, so yeah probably Dodge the bullet in a way then yeah by getting really sick. Yeah, wow terrible time. Yeah, and he was quite weak And he spent the remainder of the war alternating between hospitals and and like sort of desk duties Basically, he was deemed medically unfit for general service During his recovery he began to work on what he called the Book of Lost Tales. Lost Tales represented Tolkien's attempt to create a mythology for England, a project he would abandon without ever completing.

But throughout 1917 and 18, his illness kept recurring, so this is after the war, well it's not after the war, but like he's no longer, you know, in the trenches, fucking hell, speakers. So he, he's illness kept reoccurring, he was still quite sick, but he'd recovered enough to do home services at various camps, and it was this time that Edith, I hate, Edith bore their first child. I really hate the word bore. Edith had their first child, his name was John.

Sounds like quite a ball. So in 1920s as we sort of get onto his writing, so in 1920 he was demobilized and left the army, retaining his rank of lieutenant. His first civilian job after World War I was at the Oxford English Dictionary, where he worked mainly on the history and etymology of words of Germanic origin beginning with the letter W. Warner key. Oh yeah. That's a German name. That starts with W. It's a weird place to start. It's a very specific niche. She's got there isn't it. Right, I like it that's his first civilian job.

I was like, I'm working at the Oxford English Dictionary. On the Germanic job, Jess. My first civilian job was Toys or Us, as a, just stocked the shelves. That's a good job. That's a pretty good job. Working at a toyshop, is it the drain that everyone thinks is? No, it sucked so bad.

I was a Christmas casual and they asked me to stay on at the end of like January and I was like, nah, I hated it, it was awful. My manager was a dick. So that was his first civilian job. He also, he took up a post as reader in English language at the University of Leeds and became the youngest professor there. In 1925 he returned to Oxford as Rawlinson and Bosworth professor of Anglo-Saxon with a fellowship at Pembroke College and during his time at Pembroke College he wrote

the Hobbit and the first two volumes of The Lord of the Rings. So now he's like an academic he's at the university. And he just starts smashing him out. He's just smashing him out in his downtime. Wow. Because they're long books, aren't they? Yeah, they're, yeah. They are quite, they're door stops. Quite big talks.

They're not really that long. They're pretty long. Why am I just thinking though, because the movie's a long. Yeah, they're like three hours a piece. Probably only a couple hundred pages, 300. I think Lord of the Rings is big though. But that's all three together.

Yes. Oh. That is what I'm thinking. I think a lot of the rings is big though, but that's all three together. Yes That is what I'm thinking. I think that's the cover that my mum has is all three So they what about so the hobbit they split into two movies, right? I think they did three Which is absolute money grabbing. Yeah, it's smaller than all the volumes of the Lord of the Rings Right, and they did three on one. Yeah, that that's money grabbing by the sounds of it. What about more? I actually never watched the Hobbit. But I pro, like, I don't know. That's just a little fun fact for ya.

Fun fact number one. That is fun. That is fun. Then the second world war was approaching. And then the run up to the second world war, Tolkien was earmarked as a code breaker. In January of 39, he was asked whether he would be prepared to serve in the cryptography department of the foreign office in the event of a national emergency.

Please tell me you answered in a series of dots. So they had to crack, and if you crack this code, I'll do your job. I'm in. I feel like that must be harder than anything, a series of dots. How do you crack a code like that? Could be anything if it's like one of those things where every every different letter or symbol means a different letter Dots it just means all right. We've figured it out dot equals a so what he said here is What does it mean, buddy? I think we might be winning this war.

Clearly getting to the enemy. So Tolkien agreed, and on the 27th of March of 39 he took an instructional course at the London HQ of the Government Code and Cypher School, Mali. I mean I went to the Melbourne Radio School, but fuck, Government Code and Cypher School. Uh, Mali. I mean, I went to the Melbourne Radio School, but fuck. Government Code and Cypher School, fuck yeah. Yeah, that sounds real cool. All right. Um, a record of his training was found,

which included the notation, Keen, next to his name, which I quite like, although Tolkien's scholar, and as Stanström suggested that in the all-likelihood, that is not a record of Tolkien's interest, but a note about how to pronounce his name Tolkien Right, I thought that was so funny. He's not a keen student. It's how to say his name. No to self say keen

Pain Sorry, they did it as a code They could have written pain because that would have been the rhyming to remind the professor They could have written pain because that would have been the rhyming to remind the professor pronounces his name, rhymes with pain, rhymes with pain, Tolkien pain. I mean Tolkien. Tolkien for pain. Oh that's good. Hashtag Tolkien for pain. He was informed in October that his services would not be required. So, through that training, didn't need it. Oh, well you can't take that degree away from him. In 1945, he moved to Merton College, Oxford,

becoming the Merton professor of English language and literature in post in which he remained until his retirement in 1959, so it was there for a long time. Can I ask, have the books he's written been published yet? I'm onto it. So, yes. So, do you know the World Water? Is he famous?

Is what I'm wondering? Well, no, not really the books have been published so the Hobbit was published in 1937, so yeah, while he was doing this sort of stuff but I don't, it wasn't like hugely successful. It sort of, I think it sort of had like a slow build and then the Lord of the Rings was originally written like as a sequel. That was sort of the idea of it. It's sort of like a spin-off you would say, I guess. Which you say it's like a spin-off? Oh yeah, I guess, I guess you could.

So yeah, that's sort of how it was supposed to be, supposed to be written originally, but then it developed into it like a much larger work of its own. It was written in stages between 1937 and 1949 and it was first published in 1954 And it was one of the it is one of the best selling novels ever written with over 150 million copies sold That's a lot So influences On the story of the Lord of the Rings include Judas Priest Yes On the story of the Lord of the Rings include Judas Priest Yes

philosophy mythology religion and the author's distaste for the effects of industrialization and black Sabbath He loves who loves it loves black Sabbath. He loves Aussie Aussie I'm trying to do the bowser again, sure. Um, word, track, heart. You've named two of the else born family, Gregor. There we go. A dog. A stupid little dog. I'm trying to do the bowser with a fucking dog, Sharon.

Fire, charm, fire, sh- The best is what he couldn't figure out how to use the remote that was the best don't know that other child that refused to be on the show you know you know what you're talking about yeah we got the the ospa onis episode in the works coming up People also say but he's been influenced a lot of the rings influenced by Osu Osu Bond at all and and other and like so people have like taken a lot out of it So they've said oh, it's obviously influenced by his experience in world or one and and this and this and this but a lot of these

These inspirations and themes have been denied by Tolkien himself. He's like, no, he's sort of created. His son talks about it in this documentary. I watched it was like he created a second world, basically. Like he created an entire universe like within, within his stories, which is pretty amazing. Now, the Lord of the Rings, in its turn, is considered to have a great effect on modern fantasy, and the impact of Tolkien's work is such that the use of the words Tolkienian and Tolkienesque

have been recorded in the Oxford English dictionary. Oh, I bet he would have loved that. I would have loved that. But only if they'd been under the letter W. Wokeness, wouldn don't appreciate that. And obviously, like Lord of the Rings has been referenced in lots of art and film and television and all sorts of things. So it's huge. It's one of wards across radio, theatre, film.

Was it popular right away? I think, yes and no. Like it wasn't like a sudden boom, but I think it grew in popularity and it has continued to obviously since. It feels like the movie is must've given it a new... A new audience, it would've introduced it to a new audience, I reckon, absolutely. But in 2003 it was named Britain's best love novel of all time and the BBC's big read, so it's like very, very popular.

Just a tiny little bit as well about his retirement and his and his later life after he... Yes, was he fucking rich? That's what I want to know. Did he get prove all those haters wrong in his lifetime? Well, during his life in retirement, he retired in 1959 and and right up until and he died he died in 1973. So right up until that time he received steadily increasing public attention and literary fame. So it wasn't that that's what I was saying, like it wasn't like a huge boom straight away. It was obviously successful, but it just sort of grew. In 1961 his friend C.S. Lewis ever heard of him, even nominated him for the Nobel Prize in literature. So I think they were very friendly and maybe even taught at the same university.

I think. C.S. Lewis, which one is he in Wonderland? Narnia. Narnia. I see. What's the Wonderland girl? Lewis Carroll. Lewis Carroll. All right. Do not get them confused. CS Lewis Carroll.

Lewis Carroll. Crazy pedophile. Anyway. Oh wow. Really? Yeah. Oh. A ledge, but he's well dead, so I can say it.

He's well dead. I think I could be wrong here, but I do actually kind of remember reading that I think Tolkien taught CS Lewis at one point. Oh, I can think so. I thought that they were close friends. Well, yeah, I think they were probably later, but I think they may have started as a student, or they could have been somebody else, but no, I'm pretty sure it was him. No, I'm thinking W.H.A. Orden was taught by Tolkien. That's what I'm thinking of. Right. There was a time where you just had to be double initialed.

Yeah. J.A. Perkins. Sense shit. J.A. sucks. I don't mind J.A. MJ. MJ Stewart's sick. That's a good one. Yeah, yeah, big time. DJ. DJ Warnocky. Fuck, you guys got it so good. J.A. You better believe DJ. Sounds good. Anyway, the sales of his books were so profitable

that he regretted that he'd not chose an early retirement. He's like, I didn't need to work. At first, he wrote enthusiastic answers to readers inquiries, but he became increasingly unhappy about the sudden popularity of his books, with the 1960s counter-cultural movement. There was sort of like a boom in the 60s and it kind of made him feel a bit weird.

And fan attention became so intense that he had to take his phone number out of the public directory. And eventually he and Edith moved to Born Mooth, I probably said that wrong, which was then, Born Mooth. I think what I'm saying, I'm gonna go to the movies, right? But it's just born, anyway, which was then a seaside resort

that was mostly lived in by British upper middle class. And his status as a best-selling author gave him an easy entry into the polite society. But he kind of, like, he missed his friends, like his normal people friends, but Edith was like, overjoyed to step into the role of a society hostess. Actually, you loved it, which had been the reason that he'd selected to live there in

the first place, because he's like, I'm going to give Edith what she wants, which is very cute. Edith Tolkien died on the 29th of November in 1971 at the age of 82, according to Simon Tolkien, he said, my grandmother died two years before my grandfather and he came back to live in Oxford. I went there frequently and he'd take me to lunch in the Eastgate Hotel. Those lunches were rather wonderful for a 12-year-old boy spending time with his grandfather,

but sometimes he seemed sad. There was one visit where he told me how much he missed my grandmother. It must have been very strange for him being alone after they'd been married for more than 50 years. Not nice. That he was sad and alone. But he was sad and alone.

You love people who feel like you. I like to be able to connect. He was appointed, Tolkien was appointed by Queen Elizabeth II, a commander of the Order of the British Empire in the 1972 New Year's Honours, and received the insignia of the order at Buckingham Palace on the 28th of March 72 in the same year Oxford University conferred upon him an honorary doctorate of letters Tolkien died 21 months after either death on the 2nd of September 1973 at the age of 81 and he was buried alongside her so they were together forever Oh, that's not...

That is nice. They rot next to each other. Matthew! And now his family is... With stuff in their butts. No, no stuff in their butts. Oh, okay. Can't confirm nor deny whether it was an open casket.

Good point. Good point. Can't confirm nor deny. Oh yeah, that was only open casket. Yeah. Everyone gets their butt stuffed. Yeah, actually, it'd be very few. I've never been to an open casket. I don't want to, ever. gets their butt stuffed. Yeah, actually, it'd be very few. I've never been to an open-cast gift.

I don't want to, ever. No, no good. Yeah, I can. What are your experiences? I'm not in life for experiences. Yeah, no, I'm not. So yeah, that brings me to the end of the life of J.R.R. Tolkien. Wow, thank you.

That is... I think he sounds really sweet. He does. It's a great life. Quite a life. And now his family must be swimming in the royalties. I think they're doing pretty well. How long do the royalties last?

I don't know, 50 years or is that so? I always try and extend it. I think most Western countries, it's 75 years after you die. Right. Okay, so I'm literally still going. So a long time to go. I think they often try and extend it. People say because of Walt Disney's tie to things.

Like it, oh, it's 50 years and then they sort of extend it. Right. They lobby courts and stuff to try and. That's good news. The Walt Disney family trust sort of. Yeah, with Disney corporations so that his creations aren't out. That's what I he is So what does that mean if they go they go under the public then It's no white could be made by anyone

Yeah, no those creations, okay, like you know how William Shakespeare no one gets copyright No royalties from that. Yeah, I think we had about you Anyone have to pay any money to the state of Shakespeare. Yeah, Shakespeare. Yeah. That's what you said, right? Yes. Never seen it.

I only have a scene right now. Every time we bring up Shakespeare, just have to say Shakespeare. She has to say that, and I have to say 10 things I had about you. You won cultural reference. We can track Julia Blodged to say that. And it's based on which play Matt Timing of Matt stew

Oh, no, that's another one that's based on something else. I think the gentleman from Verona Two gentlemen of every right Yeah, that was sorry the gentleman of Verona. That's actually based on that Yeah, that was sorry the gentleman of Verona that's actually based on eventually So that brings us to the end and you know what we always do with the end of the blue one guys We talk about the things we'd like to have Jess edit out that we said All

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commit your name to memory forever. Yeah that's also part of the deal as well yeah I would love to thank one of my favorite favorites in the pool of names in my head Alex Dimick. Alex. Dimmick. Dimmick. Oh great, now I'm just real solid now. I believe they're from Norfolk. Yes. Do you know who else is from Norfolk, Jess? Who?

Dave, do you know who else is from Norfolk? No, who's from Norfolk? Jess, do you also know who's from Norfolk? I don't, Matt. Do you know who's... Dave? Any idea who else is from Norfolk? Let me just ask my friend Matt if he knows who's from Norfolk.

Who's from Norfolk? Jess? Any idea who else is from Norfolk Matt. We've really like we go places to be met Dave any ideas who's from Norfolk. I don't know No, I mean either but it'd be interesting to know Aliex's friends Look in Alex I think Alan Partridge is from Norfolk, okay, that's where you were going. I really was hoping one of you guys would help me out, but... Alan Patrick is presenter of Radio Norwich as well. Oh, is he from Norwich? He's not, he's from Norwich.

Well that's where he's show is radio on Radio Norwich. Oh, what the fuck? No, Alex is from Norwich. Norfolk. Fuck, Alex, I'm so sorry about everything. Is it? Is this what you wanted? Alex, is this worth your money? I would like to, Dave, if you don't mind, I'm gonna do one.

And then you could be finished strong with you, because you know I'm bad at this. I would like to thank a very good friend of ours, a frequent tweeter too I think, because this name, I was like, oh hello, I know this name, I know this person. And so I would like very, very, from the bottom of my heart, my cold dead heart, I would like to thank the second most famous Swift Jordan Swift. Jordan Swift. Jordan Swift Jordan Swift after Swift and Shift Curie is the spinoff from Fat and Pizza. Exactly. Yeah. Is that right? Yeah. Swift. Then Jordan Swift. Then the Suzuki Swift. And then the NetVoltam, the Swift's. Swift's. And then the whole family of Swift's. Yeah, it's so weird. They keep it in the family. the family tonight. Sydney Swift, right? I think so. And then Jonathan Swift, of course,

Galvestravel's rider. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then that's about it. So he's number two in that list. Yep. Wow. He's number one Suzuki Swift. No. No. Oh, Swift and Shift. Swift and Shift. And with Swift and Shift Korea. Yeah. So thank you very much to Jordan,

the second most famous Swift. And we really appreciate your support and your listening. All right. So we started with Alex. We went with the Jordan and we're going to finish with an Alex. Oh! That's a Jordan Alex sandwich. So if your name is Alex and you support our patron, is it going to be you? Oh my god, there's a few. There's a few Alex's we've done with it. We're now done two on one episode. It'd be unlikely if I didn't thank you wouldn't it? So I don't know, there could be like two or three other Alex's going, is it me? Is it me?

That actually reminds me, I'd really love to thank Alex Dimmick. Oh boy. I would like to thank Alex and I'm going to go with this pronunciation. Alex Baki. Alex Baki. Oh, I'm going to have a stab. I'm going to say Alex Batcheey B.A.C.H.Y As known to his friends

Bach or she I like yeah could be Bucky But about JS Bucky but it could be Alex is Batchy crazy I like I think that's that's got to be it. What about Alex wacky tobacco? Oh I like I think that's that's got to be it. What about Alex wacky tobacco? Oh, yeah, yeah, that's better. Wacky tobacco. You're the wacky. Alex wacky to or if you're not into that Alex no wacky tobacco. There we go. It it worked in it on every level. So thank you very much all the way from Pennsylvania. I reckon they might run for governor of Pennsylvania one day and that'll be there. That'll be there. That'll be there. No, no, one day and that'll be there. That'll be there. That'll be there.

No, no, that'll be there. Um, they're motto. That'll be there. slogan. No wacky tobacco. No, no wacky tobacco. Oh, sorry. I want to legalize.

Oh my god. Yeah. And also go penguins at the end of every speech. Yeah, great. You got it. I'll tell you that people on board. So thank you to Alex Jordan and Alex. Alex Jordan and Alex were breakfast.

What a radio team. I think it's going to be hard because some of you are in Norwich and Hornorfolk and ones in Pennsylvania. No, but like there's ways to get around it these days. You know modern technology. Skype. Time machine. For example, pulling back the curtain a little bit, I do a segment on radio and I'm in Melbourne

and the other two are in Sydney. Nobody knows. Can't hear. I hear. Oh, I hear. radio and I'm in Melbourne and the other two are in Sydney. Nobody knows, can't you? I hear. Oh, I hear. You can hear the slightly better coffee coming from your end of the conversation. You can hear the better weather on there.

Yeah, you can. So pal, that's the beautiful harbor. It balances out. We really don't have a lot to hang out. You can hear the culture down there. You can hear the coffee. I'm sorry, Jess, can you just turn down the wank on the microphone? Your wank levels are going up.

It's crazy today. Correct. So, there's no sound guy when I was in bands. And when people would say, can I have more of my vocals in the fold back? Or can I have more of this? He would have an extra channel with a fader that that goes up and down that would have nothing on us and he would go yep and they would see him putting the fader up and they'd go yep that's great thank you and you just call it like the wanker fader.

Oh that's great. Sorry I'm getting too much drums yep no worries fader up nothing's happening nothing is joking. Oh that's great. Oh, pretty funny. Oh yeah that's pretty funny. That's pretty funny, but you're I mean, that's just a psychological thing. It's the bloody placebo effect. Correct. So he's making fools of him. Correct. Because I probably didn't need to hear

more of themselves. But maybe they did and they just thought, you know, they didn't want to be, they didn't want to pest him beyond that. Pest so fucking... Well, we do have to end the... You gotta end the... You fucking suck! I don't know. We gotta end this week's topic right there. Can I have less jazz in my headphones please? Yeah, sorry, do you want me to...

Is that good? Yeah, that's better, thank you. That's better. We have turned jazz as microphone off, so... Good luck saying bye, this week Jess, but thank you so much everyone that does support us on Patreon. All our social media links are always

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Okay, guys, we're just dropping in here to tell you an exciting development through our Patreon. A couple of episodes ago, we mentioned, I mentioned I volunteered very Excitedly to to hump and headbutt could not put his hand up up high enough. Yeah English is fun. I volunteered to hump and headbutt the on h and h A topic another topic an object of your choosing Well, not really your choosing but we'll give you options, and we have just put those options up on Twitter. Nice. Yep. I don't know why you did this to yourself.

Yeah, and then like just fighting us to... Like he's insisting we follow through on this, so. I'm giving the people what they want. They want me to hump, they want me to headbutt. How long are you gonna to hump it for? Obviously, it depends on the object. Are we doing this live? I imagine that we'll be some editing, just in case it goes horribly wrong and I somehow

injure it myself. Or impregnates and fruit. Could be fruit? Or it could be two other options. So what if... Now, um, I will. One of the options is was put forward sort of by Zach Shepard on Twitter. He suggested a

lemon meringue pie and you heard that and you heard I messaged us at Zach Shepard. It's got this great idea And you heard me say Shepard's pie basically. Yeah, you said shepherd, you said pie, and I'm suddenly I'm thinking of shepherds pie. So you've morphed it. And obviously if you can have a shepherd's pie, there's only one accoutrement. That's not right, is it? That's like nearer word that's right.

Let's go with that. There's only one accoutrement, and there's only one Japanese accoutrement, and that is of course garlic bread. Yes. So one of the options is shepherd's pie and garlic bread, hump headbutt and I reserve the right to eat or not eat. After the whole.

Are they all edible? They are all edible because option number two is porridge, instant porridge which as we all know, Matt, your opinion on that kind of porridge is. This is not how you met porridge. It's not how you met porridge. So I don't know how you hump all headbutt porridge, but we'll come to that bridge room. So one of them is a two-parter. Yeah. So what are you going to do?

The garlic bread, you're going to hump the pie, then hump the garlic bread, then headbutt the pie, then headbutt the garlic bread? Look, part of the temps of conditions is I get to choose my order, right? Okay. Fair enough. Okay. I am doing this because I'm to choose my order, alright? Okay. Fair enough. I am doing this just because I'm desperate for more footage in my show reel. Sure. This is the good stuff.

Trying to get into Hollywood. I think this is what they want. If we have any listeners in Hollywood, especially anyone who is looking for someone to hump and head by, in Hollywood. Is your first name either Steven or Spielberg? First name Spielberg. Spielberg, Donahue, if you're an eminver. It's a plumber, but if you're an eminver, Steven.

I would like to hear from you. And option number three is, it's a classic. It's a classic Humbert headbutt maneuver. Probably the most painful, but the least messy in my account is a watermelon. All pretty messy, we're gonna have to put that at top. Well, I have to be, is it a whole watermelon? If you head, buddy, you're going to have to break it open.

I'm picturing a whole melon. It's a weird, it's a very long drop in we've done here. But what I'm trying to say is the Twitter poll is now open, so anyone on Twitter can vote for it, and then anyone who submits anything from a dollar up on our Patreon page will be able to watch the video once the poll has closed. And we've either cooked the porridge, the garlic bread, the shepherds pie, or bought a water for them. Please choose water. Now it's just easier for

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