Two In The Think Tank - 85 - The Wright Brothers

Episode Date: June 7, 2017

Dave reports on how the super secretive Wright brothers went from humble bike shop owners to the inventors of the first controlled airplane. But then they get paranoid about people stealing their ideas and sue the hell out of everyone, especially bad boy Glenn Curtiss - a chapter in history known as 'The Wright Brothers Patent War'. The Wrights may win the first battle, but who will win the war?Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPodFollow us and submit topic ideas:Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail]   Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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You're Stay Away at Ocean Isle Style.com. Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go on My Name is Dave and I'm here with Matt and Jess. Hello. Hi. Did I throw you off by not saying my last name? Yes, I was going to say. Why was there so many things I could say? It's just so formal.

Hello, my name is David James Wanakie and I'm here with Matthew James Stuart and Jessica and Perkins. Thank you. Thank you for having me at this book club meeting. A book club meeting? What are we reading this week? This week we are reading British Attifines. Oh, Truman Capote. A classic. Matt, your opinions on this novella? I think it's really good. I like that weird racist stereotype part. Tell me more. The landlord is in yellow face and he...

Matt, did you watch the film instead of reading the book again? Fuck. Yeah, that bit where Audrey Hepburn. Oh no. I like Audrey Hepburn's portrayal. Oh no. Oh no. what have I done You're out of the book club mate. That's your third and final strike Look what just because I've never read a book before yeah, that's that and remember the pants incident Yeah, I want I'm more pants. I'm sorry That was that you weren't wearing pants Yeah, pants incident and remember the time I asked you to pick up the Monte Carlos?

It was your turn to get the Monte Carlos. What did you bring? What did you bring? Kingston. Kingston. Who likes Kingston's? I've had a lot of people. I like to get people.

But I prefer Monte Carlos. I ate him on the way. And you were left with Kingston's? I was left with the backup Kingston's. Every car should carry a packet of emergency Kingston's. All right. Monte Carlo number one. Then you've got probably the Kingston's maybe in two.

Oh, okay. Then I reckon I'd go to the chocolate creams, whatever they call. Delta creams. Delta creams. They're pretty good. This is a good chat. I think Lois is the orange cream.

Orange slice. Sorry, slice, okay. This is really accessible for our internationalist. All right, so a Delta cream is pretty much like a cheap Oreo. Yeah, basically, yeah. Only Monte Carlo's. Oh, like Monte Carlo's. Yeah, it can't be.

It cannot be. That weird red lining around the weird white creme. What is that? I don't know, but I love that. What a time to be alive. What a time. All right, well, I'm gonna take you back in time this week with my topics we get straight into it. Let's do it. What's funny do it?

This is a fish and a like it. I reckon the people People gonna love this. I might appreciate that like thank God. They were talking about biscuits and yours are usually quite long too I've got a long one of course you do All right, mate and my reports quite big He's unfile. Yeah, all right, so he's on fire. All right, so we're going to start my topic with a question. And by the way, this is the first one. The Patreon Patrons have been able to vote on my text

by giving them three options. So maybe I'll give you the two backup options after I will announce the winner. Okay. I believe in it. And it's so awkward watching you butcher the spine segment that I worked up over months. That's interesting. It was probably the best part of the show.

And now that you're doing it poorly, it is... I don't have the muff on my mic this week, so I've got to really watch my page. Sure, there's a word for it that isn't muff. Probably is, but yeah, anyway. No page. Unfortunately, page stands with starts with P. It's hard to.

Whenever I say P, it starts with the P sound. I think every time you say P, you just replace it with an O. Okay. O E. Okay. That worked. Right. So, my question is. Yep. To, that worked. Right, so my question is, to both of you.

Yes. Oh, okay. Who? Uh, Dayton O-Hayos. Yes. O-Hayos. Favorite? Sons.

Sons. Don't they know Hayos? Favorite Sons. So they're siblings? O-Hayos date no hires, favorite suns. So they're siblings? Oh, higher. Maybe. Yes, they are siblings. Which brothers?

I date no hires, favorite suns. I have one. No, I think I've got this. I don't, yeah, okay. Let's sort of adjust. Mario and Luigi. They're from date no higher. They are.

But they actually came runner up in the favorite sun's pole. Big classic poles. Daytona, Ohio. Because we had another Ohio topic very recently as well. Ohio. We're in Ohio country at the moment. We're in a real Ohio purple patch. Well, I mean, you've got a purple patch.

There's no good for the lack of peas. Purple patch. a purple oh Oh, you've got to play to To your audience and we've got a lot of our high listeners. Yeah, we do. Okay, so it's not Mario and Luigi I really thought I had it there Suns is it a team? No, it is two brothers. Okay, okay, did they play for the for the buccas the Ohio State University buck eyes they did not

okay did they for they did not need college where they were going oh where would you not need college uh jail are they the yeah good one great win yeah you're doing the Cray twins again, but they moved to Ohio. Nobody if they were to go to jail, maybe they could just fly over the prison wall. Okay, superman and superman's brother, not quite as superman-jogged. Simon Kent. No. Florence Kent. Do you want to just tell you? Yeah, I have a funny feeling. Now that I know it's flying brothers, it's definitely the...

Amelia Earhart and her brother, Emilio. I was going to say the turbo-to twins, but the ones who fly with the power toes, they got jetpack toes. You know the turbo-to twins? Also known as the Wright Brothers. Oh! You are correct! Or could I say?

Right. Oh, very good. Did you write that joke? No, I don't have to. Did you write that joke? Just made a joke on your joke. That is some amazing wordplay. Thank you so much.

We are very, very smart. All these very intelligent jokes we make. Yeah, with three smart people. The right brother's cool. I remember doing a project about them. I know that you did that because when someone tweeted in this suggestion, I had to go back because I went back to it and make sure no one else had tweeted in the suggestion, so I searched out to it and handled it right.

And so you'd written back obviously just saying, oh wow, I did a project on them in grade four. I wonder how much I remember. Yeah, I don't think it's gonna be much. Oh, good. And also in grade four, I did a project on the black box. I don't remember a lot about that either. The black box brothers. Yeah.

A lot of flying, a lot of flying. So did you go to flight school? Yeah. Flight center. I went to flight center. Flight center primary school. Really? Yeah, yeah. There you go to flight school? Yeah. Flight center. I went to flight center. Flight center primary school. Really? Yeah, yeah.

There you go. We all wore those cute little Krobat things. Yeah. Fly, flyman's Krobat. That's what the guy flies a plane, the flyman? Flyman. And the flyman. No, the flyman.

Flyman, yeah. Flyman. Flyman. Flyman. Oh no, I've hurt my flyman. You trying to say flamen again? Flamen. Flamen. Flamen.

Flamen. Flamen. Flamen. Flamen. Flamen. Flamen. This is your flamen, Simon speaking. Do you like my riff about how I'd hurt my flamen?

I don't know what it means. I think I was trying to say something about hymen. I don't fully know what a hymen is. No, I did, I broke it. I broke it long ago. I'm done. Oh, what is that? All right, well let me try and rescue this episode

by telling you that Matt, seconds ago, he had fun of me for my poll. My Patreon poll. He looked at my poll and said that is a small poll. Now my Patreon poll, well let me just tell you that my poll was closer than any of your polls ever were. Oh, how's that feel, do you care? I think topics that were so great that the petrons really struggled.

That's one way to spin it. Otherwise they were so bad that they did know which one. But they were so much of a speak, that's actually true. So I decided to have a topic. Yep. I went with brothers. OK, cool. That was my subject matter, I should say.

No, no. I'll tell you. Just brothers, not siblings, just brothers. No, I'm with brothers. Because we had so many people went through the hat and I sort of categorized suggestions. So the least popular suggestion, 31% of the vote, the least popular. 31%. Stuart brothers. Yeah, you and your brother. You and your brother.

They're enough to. Tom and Matt. What event would have made for real interesting for you to name in a chat? And here he is. Yeah, we bring in your brother. We had Jesse and Frank James, you know, Jesse James, the outlaw criminals, as opposed to the inlaw criminals. In second place, 33% was the Mark's brothers, which I believe Matt had also put in as a vote before, was that true? So that comes second before? No, no. You never made that a vote? Never made that a vote. This guy. And finally, but the winning, only 36% of the vote. Wow, brother, so it was only about three or four votes.

It was about to, like, what was it? What was it? And that was real. That would never have won one of my votes, 36. It's a, but the poultry number. I always got more higher percentages, more higher. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So I think about that day. Well, you should have just been a more higher.

I don't know what to do with that. Putting into a calculator and it says error. The top of the right by the suggested by three people on three separate mediums. We've got a Tyler Schgommer on email. Thank you Tyler. David Nelson on Facebook. Thank you David. And good old Pete free.

Pete. Which is two in a row that Pete, because Pete she has suggested many things on Twitter. Good job Pete. She did a Summerton man. My last topic as well as the right one. Wow. Hot streak for Pete.

Yeah, go Pete. Hot streak for Pete. All right. Keep your peen. Straight for Pete. Let's do it. streak for Pete. Yeah, go Pete. Hot streak for Pete. All right. Keep for Pete, straight for Pete. Let's do it. Straight for Pete. Straight for Pete. Yeah, we're gonna name a straight after her

if she gets one more. Wow. So that works. So that works. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Wow. What is that? I loved it.

Do it all the time now. I just didn't realize. Wow. All right, we're going to do some rough others. Do you know their names, yes, do you remember? Some of them Edward or Edmund or Daniel Tevin William. Philip Matt's probably more of a chance because Stephen. I am not going to get Daniel. Daniel. We've already let you guess the topic.

I'm not going to let you guess the names. But give me a clue because I reckon I might. Some. Give me the first letter of the first. W and O. Wilbur. And was it Wilbur? That's right.

And uh... The second one is an O- Orville. Very good. Yeah. And that fuck off you, Naysayah. Oh, piss off. You need a clue. Does not count if you go.

Okay, yeah, to remember the names of Wilbur and Orville. You go on who wants to be a millionaire? Nuck. Ah, off, you needed a clue, does not count. If you go- Okay, yet to remember the names of Wilbur and Orville. You go on who wants to be a millionaire? No, no, give us a clue. Come on. Give us a little Eddie. I'll say the alphabet and when I get to the right letter, you cough. cough.

A. B. B. Was that a gentleman cough? We'll do it again, we'll see you in a- A. B. See, you didn't cough that time. This is very amusing. Was that a gentleman cough? We'll do it again. We'll see you in a

See you didn't cough that time. This is very confusing. That is that that's the way of secretly getting me For out of Eddie so no one else would notice you say When when I say the right letter you cough that's your secret plan He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one. He said that is the one that I've got someone in the audience talking to me in my ear. Right. Well, it's not be pretty obvious as well if they're just hanging over the barricade talking to me. And that's a second, that's a second plant to put you off so you don't know that I'm actually the world's smartest man. I don't know the answer anyway. People won't believe that. They'd rather believe you're a lawyer.

Wilbur and Orville. Right. Wilbur born 1967. He's younger brother Orville. Orville. I'd never heard that name. Have you heard that before? No. Born 18. So it's Orville orville. Which one is it? Orville or Ville, which one is it? Orville, I'm... how else could you say it? Orville, orville. It's an or-full name. It is pretty bad. But he was born 1871. They were two of the seven children born to Milton Wright, a bishop in the Church of the United Brethren in Christ,

and his wife Susan Catherine Corner. Susan. Oh, Willworth was born near Millville,, Indiana and Orville in Dayton, Ohio. Oh, Ohio. They moved around a lot, but most of the time they're based in Dayton, Ohio. The other siblings in the right family were the older Royklin. Geez, they're all fuck names. Lauren. But, yeah. But, L-O-R-I-N, so Lauren. Lauren. The younger Catherine, who the two brothers were very close with, and twins Otis and Ida

who both died in infancy. In elementary school, all full was given to mischief and was once expelled. He was, however, very clever and encouraged by his parents and he wrote in his memoir. We were lucky enough to grow up in an environment where there was always much encouragement to children to pursue intellectual interests to investigate whatever aroused curiosity. That's nice. There father Milton traveled a lot for his church work and in 1878 he bought home a toy helicopter for the boys.

Do you have to travel much for church work? I kind of feel like you're assigned a church and that's it, isn't it? No, I think they were sort of... Second family, second family, sure. Yeah, 100%. And he's bringing home toys just to make up for his absence. Yeah, yeah, yeah, big time covering that. So they're not asking questions.

Busy with their toys. Second family. Very smart. Very smart. Where's your other family? Have a toy. No more questions. So they've gone straight to where's your other family? Yeah. I told you they were encouraged to be inquisitive. So you brought them a toy helicopter for the boys. It was made of quick,

quick. Oh good. Yeah, good building material. They're all known as cork, but at the time, quick. Yeah, good building material. The alnornous cork. But at the time, quick. Quick. Quick. Quick bamboo and paper. And then they had a tweaky sandwich. I've got a tweaky sandwich.

It had a rubber band that would twirl its twin blades. So it would just sort of fly up and down using a rubber band. All of all these brothers were fascinated by the toy, and a lifelong passion for aeronautics was born. The two brothers were so into this toy they were keen on trying to create a life-size version of the toy so they could fly with it. But then their school teacher persuaded them that this was probably pretty dangerous so they gave up the idea. Killjoy. Typical teachers, you know, holding the kids down. It was actually his name was Principal Killjoy. Really?

Some people just born into it. Hahaha. As all of our group older, so did his interest in Hobbies outside the classroom and he dropped out of high school during his senior year and he opened a print shop. Hmm. His older brother Wilbur was bright and a studious child

and excelled in school and he made plans to attend Yale University after high school. I've heard of it. But as I said at the start they didn't need uni. When Wilbur was 18 years old, an accident changed the course of his life. He was badly injured in an ice hockey game when another players stick hit him in the face and he lost his two front teeth. His injuries healed. The incident plunged Wilbert into a depression. He did not receive his high school diploma, cancelled plans for college and became withdrawn. Holy shit. Can you just plan to go to Yale, isn't it? They choose you, not you go around. Well, I've made my decision. I think that maybe he

was so smart that he could take his pick. Maybe he was being a bit arrogant. Yeah, if you have watched the Gilmore girls. No, it's also one no from me. Interesting, interesting. Well, no further comment, man. Did it have context, or do you just want to know? Want to ask you a opinion on what you're playing for.

And one question for you. Were they from Daytona High? No, they don't know how is vapor Is like set on going to Harvard from the age of like 15? She the mom. No, it's the daughter Interesting. Yeah, anyway, I thought Gilmore girls was McLean's daughters for so many years Very very different and Australian and Australian show set on a farm Similar and then when people got excited about it coming back, I was like, really?

People enjoyed that farm show? You're an idiot. They're different things. Yeah, the names are quite different. Quite different. Or is it just like, like daughters? Where are some ones, daughters? Where are some ones, girls?

That's true. Astronomers. Can't argue with that logic. Things got worse for the rites. When in 1899, their mother Susan died after a lung better with tuberculosis. No, no. In 1889, all tuberculosis.

TB, consumption. Sort of, it ruins your lungs. You explaining it with abbreviations doesn't help. What is tuberculosis? TB. Oh. What is cancer? The tuberculosis? TB. Oh. What is cancer? The big C?

Oh. Cancer. Right. I understand the science of how it works now. If you break it down into a small one or two-letter combination, suddenly I become a doctor. I think tuberculosis, it ruins your lungs. So cough yourself to death. Yeah, that's right. Oh, awful. Sorry, Susan So cough yourself to death. Yeah, that's right.

Oh, awful. Sorry, season. It's real bad. Yeah, no good. A long battle, too. Yeah. Aural, 1889, dropped out of the printing stuff, you began publishing the West Side News, a weekly West state newspaper, with Wilbur serving as the papers editor.

They converted the paper to a daily in 1890 and they called it the evening item but only lasted four months. Don't mind the evening item is a name. It's quite good, sir, isn't it? And then they're focused on commercial printing when that failed. I mean that didn't go well. In 1892 they decided to capitalize on the national bicycle craze. Opened a bike shop. They just don't know when to quit, do they? The bike craze, I hear you ask, was spurred by the invention of the safety bicycle,

which is a two-wheeled bike that we know today, which was much more popular than the penny-farthing. You know the bike with the... Yeah, I know penny-farthing, and why would you ever get rid of it? It's sick. It's a pretty looking bike. I imagine quite expensive and quite dangerous. Interesting. It's such a weird way to have had a first stab at a bike.

Yeah, you'd think it would start with two tyres the same size and then maybe that's the safety bike. Yeah, weird. Anyway, good on them. But people are loving the safety bike. Initially they just started selling and fixing other brand's bikes But in 1896 they started designing and manufacturing their own. No, they're quite invented. Right bikes Moulvin star. Was it Moulvin star? Huffy. Huffy. Remember Huffy? It was a brand of BMX. Pigs on the back. Oh, and it's brokey don't go Pigs on the back. Oh, and it's broke, you don't go. I had a bike, it was pink and it had a little,

not a basket on the front, but like a little bag. So you could zip it up basically and the bike's name was Cuddles. I did on name, what do you mean the bike's name? It's in Cuddles on there. The bike's name. So Jessica, what's your bike called? Cuddles. And Matt, what's your bike called? The people talk about it for the bike's name. Huffy. Is it like the brand? Cuddles. Do you call the brand of something its name? No, it had, like it had brand.

It's my car, his name is Ford. Well, for a few of the drink in the Samsung, the fridge, yeah, it's a Samsung. Anyway, just thought I'd share that fun anecdote with you from my childhood and you need to tear it down. Sorry, cuddles. Sorry, cuddles. They do it. They do it a male, the bike. Are my cuddles now?

I'm confused. Are you the bike? I name people after the brand of bike that they ride. Your cuddles match up. Matt's huffy. Fair enough. They love bikes, but they shared another secret passion. Women.

Oh. Definitely not. Sorry. Errornautics. Oh, interesting. The most interesting. Overland Wilbur followed the latest flying news. In 1896, brought about three very important aeronautical events that they got very excited about.

In May that year, the Smithsonian Institution Secretary Samuel Langley successfully flew an unmanned steam-powered wing model aircraft. In mid-year Chicago engineer and aviation authority Octave Chanute brought together several men who tested various types of glider over sand dunes, long the shore of Lake Michigan, and the famous German aviator Otto Lillenthal, whose research the brothers had studied and followed for a long time, is kind kind of the hero He died in a glider crash The right brothers became convinced that with better designs human flight was possible The hero dies and they've gone that's it. I can do this. Yeah, it's our time to shine. Yeah, with him gone without hero

From Germany gone. Yeah in America we can now invent a plane gone in America we can now infect a plane. A little on full base his designs are on flying birds. He tried to make machines that looked a lot like birds and he was really cool in life, often disparagingly referred to as the flying squirrel. Oh that's nice. That's cute. There you go. Little screw. It's in a little plane. It's got the goggles on, little scarf. Flying screw, that's adorable. Also, good pub name. Yes. Do you want to go out for dinner later? We'll just head down to the flying screw. What are you reckon? Yes, please. Great. What are you going to get? A pint of John Smith's Smooth Aile. Mm-hmm. Go ahead. Hold the food. Hold the food. Interesting, okay. I love, often when I'm at a cafe,

they ask me, I don't drink coffee. There was like, do I want some coffees? From now on, I will turn to them and say, hold the coffee. I will only have brunch. I will only eat, never drink. Hold the coffee. So anyway, so they're here as dead and now they think they can use Serpin. They're like, we're gonna have a crack at that. So in May 1899, Wilbur wrote a letter to the Smithsonian Institute requesting information and publications about aeronautics.

We've got a bunch of books and stuff. Drawing on the work of English engineer, Sir George Kayley, the previously mentioned Chinook, Lilith or Langley, as well as Leonardo da Vinci, who 400 years earlier had conceptualized several flying machines. The rights began their mechanical, aeronautical experimentation that year. Wilber, who obviously loved to write letters, wrote to the US weather bureau and asked for a list of really windy places in his area. I hope that's how it was worded to, right? I don't know where the windy areas are.

So funny. That's so good. I can't believe... I need to just mention how good Shunut is as a name. Why hasn't that come up yet? I was waiting for someone to mention it. Shunut. Shunut.

Maybe the best name I've heard so far. Is that a first name? That's a second name. Hey, mention it. Shannute. Shannute. Maybe the best time I've heard so far. Is that a first name? No, it's a surname. I don't spell it. CH- AN- U-T-E Shannute.

Shannute. Shannute. It sounds like something that my rejects, you know what I'm gonna say. Shannute. Shannute. Yeah. But um. I don't actually think it's a perfectly good first name.

Shannute Warnakie. Oh, okay, hello. Future children. Hello future children. This is the moment you were named. If Matt hadn't have stopped the podcast and made me realize what a great name that is. Could have been mine. Never could have called it.

No, you stuffed it. So I'm going to give it away. Try again next time, champ. I don't will. But Shenute, just do it. Next time, keep it to yourself, mate. Shenute, Stuart, is it dessert-look at all? Shenute, Stuart. Shenute Warnakie adorable. next time P.B. to yourself No, it's to it is it does it look at all shenu It's a wannake adorable. Yeah, cuz I've got a you have it because you've got a

No, an acceptable last name Like quite I know common and acceptable shenu It is too many it sounds it's not shenu to wannake. It just sounds like it's very far I don't like it shenu. It sounds great Shenu Very far. It's very close. It's very close. It's very close. It's very close. It's very close. It's very close. It's very close.

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They wrote back and they suggested Kitty Hawk on the sparsely populated outer banks of North Carolina. I've heard Kitty Hawk, probably because of this. It's probably one. Probably one of the famous. Still only a few thousand people live there, so it really put Kitty Hawk on the map. And they're on the sand dunes, very windy sand dunes, the Kitty Hawk. The brothers got to work. Oh, imagine windy sand dunes, just sand in your eyes. So yeah, sand just gets everywhere. You need their stuggles.

Yeah, the beach, the three weeks low is still finding sand in your butt. Sand in your hymen. It's got a sandy... That's a wet man. Sanding hymen's not a bad name. What are you going for lunch? Oh, the sandy hymen. What are you going to get? Oh, the Sandy Harman.

What are you going to get? Hold the food. There was a swimmer called Misty Harman in the 90s, I think. Olympic swimmer. Misty Harman. That's no good. I'm sorry, yeah, no good. Disagreting about that name.

Shenoo time. They broke down mastering flight into three key elements and three stages. If you can master these things, you can fly a plane. One, wings that will lift you off the ground into the air. I reckon you could stop there. Yeah, yeah. So the difference between so people that are already flown gliders and stuff, but no one had been able to control it. That's the right brothers of the first people to successfully launch a controlled aeroplane. Spoilers. Number two, stickers that make you look bad ass.

They want a propulsion system that will move the wings through the air to generate lift. Like some sort of engine. And number three. Stickers of fire. Coming up the salt. And finally a control system that will balance the airplane and let the pilot decide where they were like to go. That's the really keep it. Bahamas. Then I want to go. Babadoss. Babadoss. Look Jess, that was a long time ago. He's suddenly moved on. We've all made slight errors in speech before. I can't think of a time I have. You better watch everything you say from now on this episode.

So like I said, at this stage, people had only nailed element one, so getting off the ground, so that what they wanted to do was look at controlling the aircraft once it was airborne. On the basis of observation, Wilbur concluded that birds change the angle of their wings to make their bodies roll right or left. The brothers decided this would also be a good way for a flying machine to turn, so to either bank or lean, much like you do on a bicycle. Their work with bikes influences their work a lot. You know, on a bike, you turn the

handlebars, but you also lean. Yeah, they're like, well, the way I ride my you're all handlebar. I am dead straight. No matter what, just is still in stage one of riding a bicycle, she can get off the ground. Excuse me, I've got some fully six stickers on my bike. You should see it at the velodrome. Very funny. It's the corner. You're still going up into the ground. Riding over the roof. Suddenly you're outside. I'm still doing it. I'm doing it.

So they were like, well, we want to be able to bank left or right. So lean the plane. But how the fuck do you do that on a plane? One day when holding a long-thin toothpaste-sized rectangular box, so a box like the toothpaste comes in, at the... Oh, that was a toothpaste box, is. Matt, what did you think a toothpaste box was until you described it? Oh, go fuck yourselves. I was trying to make sure that... I thought it was TB. I was trying to make sure that what I said makes sense because these words, I've watched a YouTube video of them showing the movements and I'm actually trying to make it so if you're just listening to this, you can understand what I'm saying. Sure, I'm sorry.

You got a toothmaste box. He noticed that he was just fidgeting with it and inadvertently pulling it back and forth like he was gently ringing out some wet clothes. So one hand towards himself, then one hand the other way. Yeah. Which a box can do. You imagine that? Yeah. The glider was also rectangular and he theorized that if he pulled one side of the plane up while the other side went down, they could turn in the air.

Yeah, right. And that was their sort of big revelation. That's pretty amazing. And over a couple of years and through lots of trial and error, they developed their own gliders on the sands of Kitty Hawk. Most of these kite tests were unparalleled with sandbags or chains, or even a small local boy used as a baleast. Oh, wow.

So they just tied a kid to the plane and let it go. Also, isn't it great that dental hygiene has played a part in, you know, how easily we can travel now. Yeah. Remember to floss everybody. You must. Yeah, absolutely must. The only way to thank the right brothers in the right way. It's the right thing to do. We'll let you know that it wasn't actually a toothpaste box. It had like basketball tools in it. We'll let you know that it wasn't actually a toothpaste box. It had like, bicycle tools in it.

To me, it looks like a bicycle. Just look a bit like a bit. I'm just... So sorry, it wasn't a toothpaste box at all. No, it's just like that shape. So even after all of that, and I'm imagining a cold bit... A cold guy had nothing to do with it. It's like it's going to be a toothpaste at all.

What about it? Do they even have toothpaste? Triple mint chocolate. Probably not. Definitely not whitening or sensitive today. It would have just been one thing. Okay, they couldn't buy it into an ice cream like I can, confidently, every time. Sensitive.

Sensitive. Hey. In 1901, the brothers showed their true genius. So there'd been on the sense for a couple of years, they showed their true genius when instead of continuing to test different gliders with slight changes, something that to perfect could take decades, so they'd just kept doing it thousands and thousands of times,

they built a miniature wind tunnel where they could test tiny metal miniature versions of their gliders. They were able to test and perfect hundreds of different wing types in a very short amount of time. Wow. So the rites took a huge step forward and made basic wind tunnel tests on 200 wings of many shapes and curves followed by detailed tests on 38 of them. So if they did that on the sounds, it would have taken forever, but they just did it at home. So if they did that on the sands, what have taken forever?

But they just did it at home. The tests, according to a biographer Fred Howard, quote, were the most crucial and fruitful aeronautical experiments ever conducted in social time with so few materials and at so little expense. Well, their new method, the rights achieved true control in turns

for the first time on October 8th, 1902, a major milestone. From September to October that year, they made between 700 and 1000 glides, the longest lasting 26 seconds. Wow. And they went 600 feet or nearly 200 meters. So it's kind of impressive. 26 seconds, yeah, that's impressive. But you bloody think it's impressive, mate.

So this stage, no one else is doing this, or is that not right? Other people are doing it, but no other people are doing it with the wind tunnel. Okay, so you really, so other people are doing similar stuff. So at the moment, they're just gliding, which other people aren't doing, but soon, they want to just gliding, which other people aren't doing, but soon they want to add an engine, which other people aren't doing properly.

Another big move was when the rights discovered the true purpose of a movable vertical rudder. Its role was not to change the direction of flight as a rudder does in sailing when you're sailing about, but rather to aim or align the aircraft correctly during banking turns and when leveling off from turns and wind disturbances, it sort of helps the plane to recover, sort of go back to normal. Other builders until this point had thought of planes like boats. When a boat gets knocked by a big wave because of its weight, it sort of balances and writes itself, but the rights with their biking background, once again, saw the plane as

more of a giant bike with a person in control of the vehicle, it's their job to correct and balance the vehicle themselves. You know when you're on a bike, you hit something, the bike doesn't have enough gravity or whatever to balance itself. As a rider, you've got to sort of work it out. The big breakthrough here was, well, if we let the pilot control that,

then it's his or her job to do that. Hmm, that's interesting. In 1903, the brothers built the powered right flyer 1 using their preferred material for construction spruce, a strong and light weight wood and pride of the West muslin for surface covering. So if you see photos of it sort of covered in fabric, are they also designed and covered? What does spruce mean? It's like a type of wood.

All right, so the spruce goose. Oh, that was made of spruce wood. Mmm. Does that make sense? Spruce, it's a fun word. Spruce. Spruce it up a bit. Yeah.

Is that what that means? Add wood to it. Yeah. What have you been doing? Oh, spruce it up, adding cushions. Yeah, I've been adding through it. You've been dicking and pumping my ride. You've got to add, I've been adding through a pillow. You've been dicking and pimping my ride.

I've been adding like subwoofers. No! What are you doing? You've got to spruce it up, mate. Covered in wood paneling. Wood paneling. Damn it. You idiot.

I am so embarrassed for you. Yeah, I think so. So the spruce goose. I always say spruce moose because that's the parody on the Simpsons That was how adheres is giant wooden hercules plane which he use spruce because it is so light And that it's like the biggest plane that's ever still ever flown really like the wingspan It's too big and you only ever flew at once Wow, but that was enough to prove the haters wrong But the rights they also designed and carved their own wooden propellers, they thought they could base their designs on existing wooden propellers, so

they went to lots of libraries and stuff. And it turns out no one had ever made them like they did, so they had to make their own. They wrote two several engine manufacturers, but none met their need for an engine that was powerful but also really light, because you can't make it heavy if it's going to fly. So they turned to their trusted friend and bike shop mechanic Charlie Taylor. Charlie Taylor, who is, he's a big part of the story but often isn't talked about. So I sort of want to give you a bit of credit here. He built the engine that they use and he built it in just six weeks in close consultation with the brothers. To keep the weight low enough, the engine block was cast from aluminium,

a rare practice for the time. So they're making innovations everywhere they go, and sort of making up as they go. They would have called it aluminum. That is true. Thank you. It is. True aluminum. The fly, I have to say you can imagine, it had a wing span of 40 feet or 12.3 meters. It weighed 600 pounds 270 kilos and it had a 12 horsepower 82 kilo 180 pound engine. I don't understand horsepower, but it sounds impressive. I think it isn't it just meant to be like early on They were basically saying how many horses would generate this menor power or something. Yeah, early on. Yeah, and that sort of became standardized. What is one horse power?

It depends on the horse, isn't it? Yeah, that's true. And it's level of belief in itself. Right. Okay. So much of it is in the mind. It's mental. You speak to any Olympian, they'll tell you.

Yeah. So you're saying that this 12 horse power with a self-belief factor of two, on a scale of 1 tell you. Yeah. So you're saying that this 12 horsepower with a self-belief factor of two On a scale of one to four. Yeah, and I want to go crazy here. These aren't professional horses So some of them are professional at being horses Volunteer horses Part time horses. They're actually men in horse Sanctus.its. Yeah, anyway, Dave, do go on. Now Matt, ask earlier, other people are doing this at the same time. They totally are.

People are trying to develop planes all over the world. In October of this year, 1903, the Smithsonian Secretary General Samuel Langley was given 50 grand by the US government, which at the time is a fortune to develop a plane he called the Langley Eradrome. He had made some successful unmanned flights in the 1890s, so he had the U.S. media's attention when he proposed the first man test flight carrying his chief assistant, Charles Manley, but it was a disaster. With everyone watching there and the world's newspapers watching, the Eradrome failed to fly and crashed into the Pontemac River seconds after launch.

Uh-oh. This led to the widespread public belief that man flight was probably impossible. And now look at us. Right. Where do we're doing this report from an aeroplane? A-in aeroplane. Three separate aeroplanes. Mmm.

We fly. We fly information. Just, don't ruin the magic. I think people like to think we're on the same era. We're like flying ducks. We fly information. Ducks fly together. Triple D. Ducks who flies together stays together.

Oh my god, how much money does? I believe in you, Charlie. The rights, so there was that disaster in October. The rights took to the air two months later to 717th 1903, making two flights each from level ground into a freezing headwind. The first flight by Orville at 1035 in the morning was 120 feet or 37 meters in 12 seconds at a speed of 7 miles or 11k over the ground. Of the fourth flight was the longest of the day, the distance over the ground was measured to be 852 feet. The time of the flight was 59 seconds. So it's not very far, but they were ecstatic. They had done it. That is the first ever controlled air flight.

That's pretty amazing. Five people witnessed the flights, including John T. Daniels, who snapped a famous photo of Orville called First Flight, which you still see if you Google, right, right, this one comes up, and also a local teenage boy who lived in the area. And just happened to be one of us. What do you like, Sub-T? Yeah, I'll have a look. Mind if I hang around, have a squeeze?

And then you accidentally squeeze the first ever flight control flight. Yeah, you squeezeizz on history. It's amazing. What a moment. That's a really amazing moment. You're looking at me like you want to me to agree. Yeah, I just want you to contribute. Well, I agree only because you looked at me like that.

Try, try, try to disagree. But otherwise I disagree. That's what my heart was saying. What do you disagree with saying that you're listening? It's not impressive to see the first ever flight by accident Impressive no, I wouldn't say that Life changing No, but that guy's dead now You know, I mean you're my certainly is so you know in that way think about it

What what to do for him? He's dust now dust in the wind say everything's pointless. Yes Okay, all right. Well interesting if you're that boy it is because you did Girl up, Dave Are you working way too hard for way too little there's never been a better time to consider a career in IT You could enjoy a recession resistant career in a rewarding field with plenty of growth opportunities and often flexible work environments. Go to mycomputercareer.edu and take the free career evaluation. You could start your new career in months, not years. Take classes online or on campus, and financial aid is available to qualified students, including

the GI Bill. Now is the time. Mycomputercareer.edu Now is the time my computer career dot edu After the man hold the fly back from its fourth flight a powerful gust of wind flipped it over several times Just bought the cruise attempt to hold it down severely damaged that aeroplane never flew again. Oh wow So the first plane airplane to ever fly Guilty guiltyins have gone new rhythm. Ha ha ha. The brothers, obviously, fucking excited.

Hiked for miles to telegram their father to tell him it was a success and to tell the local newspaper. The right brothers soon found that their success was not appreciated by all. Many in the press, as well as fellow flight experts, were reluctant to believe the brothers claims Thought they were making it up. Jax

but that but that that plane you said that it was out of commission straight after so no one ever saw it Well, they got they got one photo of it. Does that that proves it? I guess what if the what if they just dropped it from a height and they took the photo Yeah, I guess that's the thing because it it from a height and they took the photo? Yeah, I guess that's the thing, because it's like, well, that could have been gliding. We've all bloody glided, mate. So it's really, it is difficult to prove. In 1904, the brothers,

under turd by the press ridiculing them, moved their experiments home to Ohio and set up at an airfield at Huffman Prairie. Huffman. Oh, no. A cow pasture, eight miles northeast of Dayton. They invited reporters to their first flight attempt of the year on May 23 on the condition that no photographs be taken. Engine troubles and slack

winds prevented any flying and they could manage on the a few short hops a few days later with fewer reporters present. So that was a bit of a disappointment but they decided to go all in on the flying business and again withdrawing from the bicycle game. This might seem like a no-brainer now after all they just invented the first controlled fly-tze. He'd probably invest your life savings into it. However, they still had no financial backers and weren't wealthy themselves, so financially

extremely risky. Because all this building stuff costs fortune. They also did not have the luxury of being able to give away their invention because it had to be their livelihood. Thus, their secrecy intensified encouraged by advice from their patent attorney, Henry Toulman, and he told them to not reveal details of their machines. That's why they didn't want anyone taking photos of it.

So worried other people will come in and steal their idea. Sneaky bus. And they begin to get a little bit paranoid about that. That's just all the part they're smoking. Yeah. Oh, I missed that bit. 420 baby. Wilbur, Orville.

Let's blaze it. You know what time it is? Boys! Blaze it in the sky Etc. You better believe they're flying high I thought they were By October 1904 less than a year after their first flight Wilbur made a flight that lasted 25 miles or 45 kilometers Wow 38 minutes

Ending with the safe landing when the fuel ran out. So huge improvement, like no one months later you've gone from like 50 seconds being a big deal to 38 minutes. That's awesome. And 38 minutes and 45k's. Yeah it's really far. And he's in control the whole time too, so it's not just like I'm glad and baby, like he's doing turns, doing laps.

Wow. The flight was seen by a number of people including several invited friends, their father Milton, who was very proud, and some neighboring farmers. That's cool. A reporter's turned up the next day because I heard a rumor of what had just happened,

but they refused to fly in front of the cameras. Oh. A few newspapers published articles about the long flights, but no reporters or photographs had been there. The lack of eyewitness press coverage was a major reason for disbelief in Washington and in journals like Scientific America whose editors doubted what they called, quote, the alleged experiments. A newspaper's wrote, alert as they are, somehow they allowed these sensational performances to escape their notice,

which in my opinion is quite accurate, because these days you have pepperazzi camping out for like three weeks to get a photo of someone having a swim on a yacht. And now these people are doing the first ever flight ever. Do you want to be the first reporter to try and get a photo of that? Yeah, you would think so.

But that's, isn't that the biggest story of the century? Of the century. If they're thinking about it like it's, you know, like anti-vaxxers or something, you know, or that, you know, thinking about it like it's this myth made up world. Yeah. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. This is the hoax.

I've ever fearful of competitors stealing their ideas and still without a patent or patent, which I'm still not the started how I like to say that word. Patent. I'm a patent guy patent, which I'm still not the start of how I like to say that word. Patent. I'm a patent guy. Sorry, I'm back on the phone. You are not allowed to say any patents or patents. Try now, yeah, try back there. Patent.

Nice. So they're freaking out about the patent, such patent, which they don't have yet. So they flew only once more on October 5th, and from then on, they refused to fly anywhere unless they had a firm contract to sell their aircraft. In Europe the men were laughed at in the media. In 1996, skeptics. That's so funny to picture that. Janeless, just riding articles. Look at these chumps. Next paragraph.

A skeptics in the European aviation community had converted the press to an anti-right brother stance. Oh my god. European newspapers, especially those in France, were openly derisive of the brothers, calling them blufas, which translates to bluff. Like they've got them bluffers. Bluefers. They went blue for a source. In 1906, the all-important patent came through for the rights in the US for a flying machine. Before this point, they had been terrified that someone would take their invention.

But now they've got the piece of paper that says we invented it. The right brothers made no flights all in 1906 and 1907. Instead, they spent the time attempting to persuade the US and European governments that they had invented a successful flying machine and were prepared to negotiate a contract to sell that to their governments. Wow. That's a long time without flying,

that any other people. Like catch up. Yeah. Yeah, wow. The brothers contracts with the US Army and French syndicate depended on successful public flight demonstrations that met certain conditions. So they needed to demonstrate that they had the goods before the government's given money.

So the brothers had to divide their efforts. Wilbur sailed for Europe and demonstrated his flight in France. Orville would fly near Washington, D.C. and try and win over the American government. Wow. But then we come to a man named Glen Curtis. Shit name. I wonder what happens with him. He said in a way that maybe it's going to be quite important. Oh, yes.

Oh, he's got that smug face. Okay, Glen is either... Glen Goodens. Good as somewhat of a third wheel in this story. I feel like Glenn may be a bad guy here. No, well I'll let you decide what you reckon. I'm on board. I like deciding. Glenn Curtis, an inventor pioneer and somewhat of a dare devil.

One N or two in Glenn. Double N, double S. Glenn Curtis. Oh, interesting. Okay, I'm listening. Oh yeah. Okay, I'm listening. Oh yeah. Okay, continue.

I watched the short dramatization of this part of the story and he was played by a fit actor, so I don't know if he was good looking in life, just, but the actor certainly was. Well, I mean, you say that like I'm so superficial, that's the only thing that's important to me. You had me at Daredevil too. I know, but you love, I was gonna say you love Glenn's.

I was just gonna, you just love Daredevil's. You love a bad boy. I love a bad boy. Oh, yeah, I love them if they're like sorry tuts Can't talk got to go ride my motorbike You would not like that person at all Yeah, what a better motorbike you like motorbikes? Yeah, I like motorbikes. This guy is your man. Sick. Born in New York in 1878, Glen Curtis,

seven years younger than Orville, the younger brother, he also owned a bike shop. But in the early 1900s, became interested in motorcycles. Mm-hmm, very good. I like this bike, but I'd like it more for when faster. In 1902. Wait, oh, in 190202 he invented the Litherjacket.

Is that what you're gonna say? Yep, he also began manufacturing motorcycles with his own single cylinder engines. And by the next year he had set a land speed record on his bike. Oh, that's sick. What a cool dude. That is pretty good.

24 years old, a year later, he's got the fucking record. Oh my god, yes. The manufacturer's the famous Indian motorcycle company came to visit him and couldn't believe that one mad had made a bike faster than theirs in the back of his tiny bike shop. That's amazing. They're impressed. That's cool. In 1907, Curtis set an unofficial word record, so unverified, but he always claimed

of 136 miles or 220K an hour, a record that stood until 1930. Wow! That's fast! So, when it comes to engines, he's the real deal. He's an engine man. Oh yeah. Glengian, the engine.

Glengian. Glengian Curtis. Mm-hmm. He'll never hurt us. Oh, will he? Bad boys will always hurt you. Oh, will he? Bad boys will always hurt you. You never learn.

You never learn. Protect you for a joe heart. You got to. You got to protect your friends. In 1907, famed inventor of the telephone Alexander Graham Bell invited Curtis to develop a suitable engine for heavier than air flight experimentation. So there's two types of air travel. The time there's lighter than air, which is stuff like hot air balloons and blips and stuff.

And then there's heavier than air, which is gliders and aeroplanes. Sure. Okay. And make sense. Did Alexander Graham Bell have a leather jacket? Oh, he only wore a leather jacket. Sick. Dick out.

He didn't wear a leather pant. He had no pants. Oh you saying that he had absolutely nothing else on but just the leather jacket. Yeah you could say DNA. Dicks and not. Dicks and us. Dicks. Dicks and all. He had multiple. Well, you didn't know that about Alexander. Yeah. One for a shank. It's what's separated in from the wrist. Man with two fairs names. And two Dicks.

You can't trust him. It's my rule of thumb. Either or, but this man had both. Yeah. Wow. What a quadriple whammy. So, two Dicks Bell. He regarded Curtis, bad boy.

One Dick. As, well, you need Dick Curtis. That we know of. Well, we confirmed sightings of his you need Dick. He regarded Curtis as quote, the greatest motor expert in the country. And he invited Curtis to join his Aerial Experiment Association, the A.E.A. to sort of develop their own plane. Fun! Curtis developed a few planes and engines with

the A.E.A. the most famous of the early ones is called the June Bug. Oh that's cute. The Scientific American Cup was a competition promoted as the first public demonstration of an operational airplane Whoever could publicly fly over one kilometer in front of these guys would get $25,000 Which is a fortune back then A fortune? I'd take that now happily I wouldn't Interesting, that's why you and I differ Put it in the bin

Yeah Then I think it'll be bullet Spit on it Yeah Why'd you bum with it? That's why you and I differ put it in the bin. Yeah, I think it'll be bullet Spit on it. Yeah, why be bum with it? I What my day and I with it How many you got I've just got the one of each. Oh, a uni bum Dave put them I Want it. I mean, I don't want to ask, but now I need to know.

2D? 3A. Oh, no! 2D3 across. That's a super nerdy class word. The era club who were doing this scientific American cup for the 25 grand, they contacted the Wright Brothers first, offering them first go. I was just thinking like, well my head's in bed, it's me, but I have not. Oh! That was a word that came coming.

Zero down, zero across. Yeah, zero down. Get ya. Oh. Oh. Oh. So the A, the Aero Club, the people organizing this competition, they give right brothers first dibs. They're like, all right, we've heard that you can fly the plane.

Do you want to come and do it? Orville wrote to decline the opportunity on June 30, as the rights were busy completing their deal with the US government. So he's like, no, we don't need your money. Glenn Curtis, bad boy, did not muck around and when he heard the rights were not interested in competing, he stepped up. So the day before the event, he crashed his plane during a test.

But this did not put him off. Bad boy. That could probably put you off, I reckon. A few days after the rights declared that they were not interested, on July 4, Independence Day 1908, Curtis took the June Bug to the Sky in front of a huge audience. A film crew turned up and made this the first ever flight recorded on film. Wow! On the second try after stalling the first time, the aeroplane successfully flew 5. a half thousand feet 1.6 kilometers in one minute 40. Wedding the trophy and a $25,000 cash prize. So that was the first

videoed. So if it's the first filmed is that kind of some people think that was the first you know the first real flight? Most people, most people believe that right brothers. I do believe, okay. But there is always controversy. Yeah, of course. Curtis, because of this, was instantly famous across the country, because he's in all the newspapers, he's declared as like the winner of this aviation

competition. In one day, Curtis had done more to promote aviation than the Wright Brothers had ever done. Wow. Three years previous to the June bugs flight, the rights had made flights of up to 24 miles or 38 kilometers, but they didn't have any official witnesses. So their efforts were still widely unreported,

and they're constantly reading the newspaper, being like, it's fucking guy, but we don't want to give away our secrets. So they're not giving into it. Wow, stop it, are they? Amidst the publicity following the flight, the Wright sent a warning to Curtis that they had not given permission for use

of, quote, their aircraft control system to be used for exhibitions or in a commercial way. They warned him that what he'd just done infringed on their patent. Oh. Thus begins a chapter of aviation history known as the Wright brothers patent war We love a good war on the show we do ice cream ones

End of list emu ones emu ones world ones world ones Wars on chocolate. What's it worth currents? Yeah, we have the War of Currents. Just does not remember it at all. What was that? Oh. So you remember when Thomas Edison electrocuted in the house, don't you? Oh, War of Currents.

I was thinking like the berry. I've had a bit of berries. Well, that's a very more fun. Now, a few months after this scientific cup, Wilbur demonstrated his machine for the French public who had previously derided him. The crowd was thrilled by his feats and flocked to the field by thousands and the right brothers instantly became world famous. Can you do an impression of the French crowd?

Oh my boy, I'm so excited to see him hit this guy. Why did you translate most of that into English and not the first bit? I speak English. That was French. Oh, sorry. You fucking racist. Sorry. You can understand French. Sorry mate. Yeah, that was a real jerk move. Can't wait. Stop checking the fucking footy school. Damn it. So now they're famous in Europe now as being... That's flying guys. That's flying guys. Awesome. He's famous in's an American.

Now they're two distinctive front runners for being like the one that can claim we were first. Yeah, cool. Curtis, bad boy. Not so bad after all because he reached out to the right brothers early on and said, you can make better planes than I can. I can make better engines than you can. Let's team up and get rich together. The rights did not go for us.

Not interested. I want it all the glory. I wanted all the glory. I wanted all. They wanted all, and they wanted now. In September 1908, Orville was asked to demonstrate his plane for the U.S. Army. Of course, wanting to show up Glenn Curtis, Orville agreed to the demonstration. Army Lieutenant Thomas Selfridge, himself an aviation enthusiast, and and good friend of Glenn Curtis agreed to be a test passenger. So until this point everyone has just been solo flights. Most of the time the first flights they actually lied down on it. As well as their pride and fame on the line was a

$25,000 contract which as we all know is... Is becoming less and less money as the years go on. But still quite impressive. That's impressive, man. That would still, wife is day and age, but. Don't want it. I don't even think I'd want it touching me anymore. I think that's it.

Actually, how people got tuberculosis. Yeah. Rubbing $25,000 on their day and age. So the up for grubs is a contract with the US Army dollars on their DNA. So the up for grubs was a contract with the US Army to make their planes. So leading up to the event, Orville completed a series of solo test demonstrations. One of these tests he flew over 62 minutes of smashing his own existing record.

Their rival Curtis was watching who was invited to the event by his friend Lieutenant Tom Selfard. The guy that's going to be the first sort of guest on board. After 12 successful solo test flights, Lieutenant Selfridge joined Orville for the first official demonstration. Tell me, I'm going to sabotage it. Because his friends with the other guy. The right fly has circled Fort Meyer four and a half times at 150 feet and everything half times, at 150 feet, and everything was going really well.

Oh no, it was going really well. But halfway through the fifth circuit, the right propeller broke. No. Losing thrust. No. The rudder. No. Swivel.

Not the rudder. The rudder swiveled. The plane became horizontal and sent the flyer into a nose dive. Oh, nose dive! All will shut off the engine and manage to glide for about 75 feet, but the flyer hit the ground. No, it's first. Oh, no. When the craft hit the ground, Self-Rage and Right Were Throne Ford, Self-Rage struck one of the wooden upright of the framework of the plane, fracturing the base of his skull.

Oh, no. The underwent neurosurgery, but obviously it's pretty primitive back then. He died three hours after the crash without ever regaining consciousness. Thomas Selfridge was the first passenger to be killed in the airplane crash. Hey, whoa, I mean, so there's something. You take that, wouldn't you? As a first, it's always good to be the first to do something. I knew it's sabotage it with the base of his skull.

Cop that plane. Oh, that's awful. All of all, Sufford severe injuries himself, including a broken femur, several broken ribs, and a damaged hip. He was hospitalized for weeks and bed ridden for months. The accident left him in pain for the rest of his life. Oh, I mean, that sounds like that should be the case because he fell out of a plane.

Yeah. There was no starving. Amazing to be alive. Yeah. And there's no seat belts. It was it was actually get thrown from the plane. They did a modern test of this and they discovered that if self-rich had been wearing a helmet, he probably wouldn't have died. See kids wear your helmet. When you're flying the right flyer? No. Where's where? When you're on a bike, even when you're in the shower Because you might slip even when you're

Helmet, are you gonna wash your hair? Don't worry about it. You're always wearing your helmet. Yeah, you've got a helmet You can fill out a bed I'm gonna eat you over the head of the chair. Why the concold style helmet With hair on the top Isn't there a thing like in some European countries where they don't like helmets aren't really a big deal? Yeah. We have to arm here legally.

But over there. Most countries it's not legal. And apparently it's yeah, like they have less accidents over there or something. So right? I think they probably just have more respect for cyclists. No, in Sweden they have this invention where you wear it's a collar. You wear it

on your neck. Oh, it's like an airbag. And then when you crash it senses that you've stopped way too quick and it goes around your head and protects your head. No, it does not. Yeah. Look at that. It was a Swedish invention. So I saw like an invention show about it once and then when I was walking the streets of Stockholm last year, I sort of just advertised. And I said, that's awesome, but obviously if you bring it here and you got caught with that helmet, you could get fined Even if you're like, but I've got the fucking neck brace thing. Wow That's so funny

It's funny because it's like just where a helmet is that's case. Yeah, is it better than a helmet? I think they claim it, but I don't know. It's way more expensive than I was like hundreds of dollars I don't want to look like an idiot with a helmet on I'll just wear this wig color. We're a neck brace. Like a dog. Or like Shakespeare. Yeah, it's got a Jacobian rough.

The brothers, sister Catherine, a schoolteacher, rushed from Dayton to Virginia and stayed by all the way to the side for seven weeks while he was hospitalised. She helped negotiate a one year extension of the army contract, which despite them killing the lieutenant, there was still open to the idea of the plane. A friend visiting Orville in the hospital asked him, has it got your nerve? Nerve, orville repeated, slightly puzzled. Oh, do you mean, will I be afraid to fly again? The only thing I'm afraid of is if I can't get well enough soon enough to get the test done by next year. So he was not afraid.

Deeply shocked and upset by the incident, Wilbur, on the other hand, decided to make even more impressive flat demonstrations in the ensuing days and weeks. He set new records for altitude and duration. In January 1909, Orville and Catherine joined him in France when they'd recovered, and for a time they were the three most famous people, arguably in the world. Sorted after by royalty, the rich, reporters, and the public. The kings of Great Britain, Spain, and Italy came to see Wilbur fly. In July 1909, Orville, with Wilbur assisting, completed the flights for the US Army, meaning the requirements of a two- Cedar able to fly with a passion different hour, an average of 40 miles an hour, and land on damage, that was the rules.

So they sold the aeroplane to the US Army for $30,000. Which is like 25 bit more because of inflation. It's funny, it's so much more work to get that 30 grand than it would have been if you just went to that competition and flu for a bit. Yeah, it's one kilometer which he's done 40. Yeah, so I guess that yeah, he just he didn't want to do the little comps. He wanted to sell to a big killing army. He wanted to make it a death machine, which is fair enough if the guy was passionate about killing.

You got to respect that. You got to respect that. When you find your passion, you got to stick to it. 100%. I think that's the same. That is the same. When you find your passion, you go stick to it. You go stick to it.

And what's your passion? Moitering. Moitering. Moitering toy keys. Marda. Some of that off that scar. We did some Scottish episodes and some of us will disappoint it on Twitter that we didn't say any tag-it-style murder.

Oh, tag-it. Tag-it-smart-a. Tag-it is great. I don't know if it's still for years, tag-it-emself-died or left the show and they just kept going with him as the title character. He wasn't even there. Well, by the time McLeod's daughters first,

the McLeod's daughters had gone. Really, all the daughters. Well, I think about the Gilmaw's. The Gilmaw's, they're still there, yes. On McLeod's farm. Yeah. There is a crossover. Okay, well that makes what you said before, less stupid day, I guess.

Okay, well that makes what you said before less stupid day. I guess in October 1909 Wilbur flew at New York City's Hudson Fulton celebrations Circling the Statue of Liberty and making a 33-minute flight up and down the Hudson River alongside man Hatton in view of up to one million New Yorkers New Yorkers I'm flying here Are you mad at yourself for that? Real mad. So, I'd imagine if you were walking and then suddenly a plane just came over,

like they're super slow. It's just like, I'm walking here. Well, there was a Simpson's episode where... The Sirebub seals it. Yeah. They try to make it get away and it bounces off. Yeah. And the F1 pilots try and overtake it. Well, they try and catch up with it

and they go, suggest we pursue one foot. So they start chasing it with nets. Yeah, like pool cleaners. Yes. Was that, yeah, that was actually the right brothers playing. Yeah, it's supposed to be the right brothers playing, yeah. So fun. But these flights along the New York Hudson River solidly established the

fame of the right brothers in America. So now they've made it back home, baby. Yeah. Are the two brothers only flew together once ever? They father made them promise they would only fly separately to avoid them being killed in the same accident. Something went wrong. Wow. Brut. Why are we never getting into a car together? Yep. Just in case. Why we fly separately. I mean you're nicknamed after someone who died in a plane crash. Yeah why would you tell me that? I mean now I'm gonna be terrified. I mean you chose it in the network talking about connection until now and now I'm gonna be scared every time

I get on a plane that I will suffer the fate of the original bubble. You already scared every time you get on a plane I know I am. I love it. At the back of your mind you not think about Going down now. I'm just thinking about I'm gonna go base somewhere else have fun I mean a new place. Yeah, I think about the sacrifice is definitely worth it I'm gonna be over there and if you're gonna go out like it Please go in an interesting way so that at my high school reunion like do you hear Jess? She's she yeah, she passed my oh my god was she sick now? No, no, no

She's going to Hobart, you know you want to be going somewhere really excited. Is that a dig at Hobart Jess? Yep I don't want to be going somewhere really exciting. Is that a dig at Hobart, Jess? Yep. Interesting. Fuck him. I'm gonna Hobart soon, I love Hobart. You're gonna go by ship? No.

By plane. I'm gonna go by plane. Interesting. Well, good luck. And I'm gonna name myself... One voyage. What's one of the other ones in that crew? I'm gonna be Buddy Holly.

That's my new nickname, Buddy. I'm good buddy. Buddy. Maybe I'll call you Holly. Holly. Yeah's meet in a game. Buddy. Buddy. Maybe I'll call you Holly. Holly. Yeah. That's nice.

Okay Dave, who else was on that plane? Richie Valens. So it was a young one. Can you be Richie? Richie Rich. He's Richie. Holly over there. Yeah.

And I'm the Bopper. All right, let's go fly somewhere. That's just shit out. Let's do it. Anyway. Test this theory. So all this while, Curtis, our bad boy, he's trying to sell his own planes and his own designs, but the rights still thought that even with a different design to their own, he was still infringing on their patent.

Mm-hmm. The patent. Because they just had a patent. Is there no flying patent? Yeah, I watched a documentary and they kept saying patent. Yeah, I've never, yeah, that sounds weird. Sounds too similar to patent. Mm-hmm. And I need to know what you're talking about a pattern, or a patent, but they're obsessed with this

patent. And everyone that every, you know, they're trying to sue everyone pretty much, Curtis refused to pay license fees to the rights and sold an airplane to the aeronautic Society of New York in 1909. The rights immediately filed a lawsuit beginning a years long legal conflict. The rights filed lawsuits in France and Germany as well. Basically anyone that wanted to fly they had legal proceedings brought against them by the rights. Curtis suggested that if someone jumped in the air and waved their arms the rights would say. What a bad boy! That's funny. See he's a bad boy! That's funny. See, he's a bad boy, but he's funny.

Got a bit of humor. I like that. I like a funny bad boy. The right, right, brothers, it sounded a little bit, a little bit, uh, so long. Yeah, a bit, a bit wrong. Yeah, the more I read into the, right. Right, yeah, no, I don't. Wrong.

Wrong, yeah. But. Like the opposite don't. Wrong. Wrong, yeah. But- Like the opposite of wrong. Right. Yeah, it would be right. Huh? And their name's also right.

It's different spelling, but they sound the same. So- Oh, right sounds like right. Yeah, that's what I mean. So- I don't know, I never really thought about it like that. Right and right do sound, yes, somewhat similar. And so then the joke there was that the rights sound a bit wrong.

No, not quite ever. Okay. I'm just going to cut you off there because this could be the next hour of the show otherwise. Okay, well I'll explain it to Matt after the show I think. So that's okay, mate? Yeah, sure, but I think you're going to find you're not making any sense, so, but okay. Okay, Dave's doing it. Oh, the rights preoccupation.

Point is right and wrong, opposites. No, right and right. Right and right. It's a flying guy. I really thought I'd get there that time. Sorry, Dave, to do it. The rights preoccupation with the illegal issue stifled there. Oh, right and wrong

There we go. Do you get it now? I'm not 100% sure Dave is very bad at us The rights preoccupation with the illegal issue stifled their work on new designs By 1911 rights aeroplanes were considered inferior to those of European makers Wilbur especially was constantly in and out of court over a two-year period. Oh, shit. So they were fighting so much that they sort of forgot about the planes. Yeah. On June 8, 1911, Curtis received a US Pilots license number one from the Aero Club of America,

because the first batch of licenses were issued in alphabetical order Wilbur right received license number five What a slap in the face the root hole now fair enough self-medical But your enemy just got number one, but you were the first of life you were Yeah, it sounds like they're they're not enough for the right reasons anymore the rights You know I know what you mean? I feel like yeah. I feel like they have lost sight on what is right. Alphabetically, I'd get the first one. I was thinking about that the entire time. I didn't listen to anything you just said I was going.

And then you see... P-S-W-P-Q-I-S. Unless it's on first name, then DJ...M. God, you're good at the alphabet. That was so fast. I've got a thing with a rhyme still. It's still a rhyme. You know where it is. I mean some of them rhyme. A B C D E F G A D I J K and all men all be. That's true, C-D-E-F-G Alright Hey, it's Dijay-K

An or Men or B That's true, probably is a rhyme, I guess it is a rhyme Q-R-S-T-U-V So for U-X Y Z Or Z I'm very famous

That's why I think Z makes sense because it fits the rhyme much better I'm having to change it as Z So it does rhyme Yeah, no, you're right It is definitely a rhyme, I feel like a fucking idiot I'm much better. I'm having to change it as a so it does rhyme Yeah, no, you're right. It is definitely a rhyme. I feel like a fucking Right. Yes, you're flying you're flying right now guys I've we've got to get to this part of the story and I don't want to bring the mood down too much, but uh-oh We'll be right fell ill on a trip to Boston in April 8 1912

After being diners with typhoid fever 1912. After being diagnosed with typhoid fever, he died on May 30, 1912 at his family home in Dayton, aged 45. Pretty quick turnaround. He became ill and then passed away about a month later. Orville blamed Curtis for his big brother's death. He thought the stress of the constant lawsuits and patent breaches wore his brother down. If that's the case case then stop doing them. Just build the planes and enjoy the skies. Just enjoy the skies. Just enjoy the skies.

It's too bad because I've heard Boston's really nice. It's too bad that he died before we got there. Oh, he fell ill. But just when Volvo was at his lowest moment, in January 1914, a US court of appeals announced a landmark and to some surprise ruling, the Wright brothers were declared pioneers in the practical art of flying, and it ruled that for every plane made in America, oval, would be able to charge his competitors a 20% royalty. Even if they're not using his design. So if you see pretty much he's got it like a monopoly on planes. Wow. Make a plane 20% to the right man. 20%. That's big. That's huge. But there is one

man he refuses to give his license to. You guessed it. Old bad boy Glenn Curtis, he will not even give him the license So he can he can KB people too. Yeah Wow Glen Curtis was bankrupted by the brothers twice Whoa What a dog he had heaps of innovations ready to go But wasn't able to market them because of this patent he wanted to so he was the one who was gone I'll make the let's work together at something some point, right? Yeah, he was. He wasn't like, he wasn't being an asshole at all, he was trying to help them. You know, rising tide lifts all ships.

You know what I mean? The tide is high. And we're moving on. Orville apparently felt vindicated by the court's decision and much of the frustration of his company's executives, he didn't push vigorously for further legal action to ensure a manufacturing monopoly that would keep going. He'd asort, they said, I was right, I'm happy.

A wheelbidder was been the driven one of the pair. In July 1914, World War I broke out, and aviation was used in warfare for the first time. Germany over the war made nearly 50,000 advanced airplanes. However, aviation development in the US was so suppressed by the legal proceedings that people constantly suing each other to such an extent that when the US entered World War I a few years later no acceptable American designed planes were available and US forces were compelled to use French machines. Wow. So no one in America could make advanced aeroplanes. The

rights had neglected their own designs for so long that they were now obsolete and useless in warfare. Wow. Because they've got those cloth-covered wooden planes, but Americans have that red-barren-style metal biplanes. Yeah, okay, yeah. Sorry, the Germans have the, you know, those biplanes. So the right, they would just get smashed if they went out there in the, the right flyer. The US into the war in 1917 and the US government had to step in and resolve the patent dispute in order to get their people making airplanes again. The US government as a result of your recommendation of a committee formed by Franklin D. Roosevelt

then Assistant Secretary of the Navy, pressured the industry to form a cross licensing organization called the Manufacturers Aircraft Association. Basically, all aircraft manufacturers were forced to join the association, and each member was required to pay a comparatively small blanket fee for each airplane manufactured, and of that major part would go to right and Curtis companies. Okay. So instead of right getting 20% of everything now he gets about 1% and Curtis gets about 1% so everyone gets an even share. Sure. Okay well that seems nicer but. So for small fee everyone can make planes and use

everyone's designs because they just need to build something for the fucking war. That's got to go on on. So basically, the Peyton war is finished. Curtis immediately began producing aeroplanes, and his use of experimentation and innovation paid off, because he suddenly sold 7,000 of his Curtis J-Forz, nicknamed Jennings. I love that. I love that. Over the night, he had so many orders, love it. I love it. I love it.

Over night he has, he had so many orders, he became the largest aeroplane manufacturer in America. Wow. Over night. This guy's been bankrupted twice, and now he's like, show me the money. So the world war really helped him. Big time. After the war, his business continued to prosper though and by 1921 he decided to retire.

He had made $32 million. Wow, that was a lot of money back then. Just equivalent of over $300 million by that I said. Oh my God. So he's been bankrupt, not very rich and he's like that's just his personal wealth. Holy shit, that's amazing. And then you retired to Florida and you're still the director of the company but he didn't really do much anymore.

He just lived it up. That's the way it is. He would have retired relatively young then. Because he was younger, it was 70 years younger than... He would have been in his 40s. Yeah. Oh nice. Silver fox.

Mm-hmm. Who's salt and pepper? Yes. 300 million dollars cash. Mr. Shaffee. He was rich. I love that he comes up every episode now. The patent sharing arrangement was only designed to last for the duration of the war, but in 1918 the litigation was never renewed. Orville who cared little for the business side of their work sold his rights in the company

in 1915. So he bailed. Wow. Couldn't be bothered anymore. He made his last flight as a pilot in 1918 and spent the last three decades of his life serving on boards and committees relating to aeronautics. Wow. He cut off communication with his sister Catherine Catherine, when she married in 1926.

Oh, Curtis. Well, they'd be so good. Oh, no, it's not that bad. I imagine that. It's not that bad, but it's bad. Neither awful nor Wilbur ever married. He was greatly upset by his sister's choice to marry, even though she was 52 and I've been single this whole time.

She got married at 52. Give her a break. Wait, so it wasn't, he was just angry, she got married at all. Yeah, everything I read about it said that he was just annoyed at it. And I was thinking maybe it was because the husband had been married before and he was widowed. Maybe that's why, but I think the way I was reading it, he just felt betrayed that she... So he was into his sister.

No, he's into it, but it just like, you know, there was a family. He wanted him for himself. No. Don't you know how you read that? No. He cut her off because she married someone. I mean it's a jealousy thing but not that he wants to. What's he jealous of? The companionship because he's his best friend his brothers died and now and then he's you as other best friends his sister and then she leaves. He's been replaced now. She doesn't she won't care about him anymore. But it is weird. It's so per-fucking-weird. A few years later though, in 1929, so he cut off all communication to it, but then she

got very sick. Initially he said he wouldn't see her, but in 1929 he had to be persuaded to visit Catherine on her deathbed and was there when she died. What a fuck, what a piece, I don't like the right brothers at all. No, they're not coming off that great, are they? Kinda dicks. deathbed and was there when she died. What a piece. I don't like the right brothers at all. No, they're not coming off that great, are they? Kinda dicks. I'm in the Curtis camp. Camp Curtis.

Camp Curtis. Big, big time. Hello, mother. Hello, father. This is me at Camp Curtis. Worth it. So worth it. In April 1944, the production lock-heed constellation piloted by Howard Hughes, who we were talking about earlier

He flew from Burbank, California to Washington DC in just under seven hours, which is a record at the time on the return trip The airliner stopped at Wrightfield to give Orville Wright his last aeroplane flight Well then 40 years after his first historic flight. So just a son of respect, I think, because he's quite old by then. Apparently he may have even been briefly handed the controls. He commented that the wingspan of the constellation was longer than the distance of his first flight. Wow.

Orville died on... That was so nice. Wow. So genuinely. He had a quip. He was like you say, wow, like you believed that the wingspan was. It was, wait, it was. Very good. I'm having a real good time. So all I wanted to do there was say Jess was being a dumbass and then realized that I was being dumbass. That's all I wanted to do and I think I've achieved that. Did I? I'm not. You can retire happy.

Our Orville died on January 30, 1948 over 35 years after his brother following his second heart attack He had lived from the horse and buggy age right through to the dawn of supersonic flight He was buried next to his brother John Daniels the coast guard who took the Famous first flight photo that first ever photo of him flying died the next day. Oh wow Yeah, no, I just feel so conscious every time I say wow. But genuinely well. Oh wow. In the final post script.

Oh conscious. Oh wow. The final post script, maybe possible fun fact of the story. In a weird coming together of old enemies, the right erinotical corporations to the rights business, a successor to the original right company ultimately merged with the Curtis aeroplane and motor company. As it should. And that Australia.

On July 5th, 1929, forming the Curtis right company, shortly before Glen Curtis's death of appendicitis in 1930. It should have been that way from the beginning. It should have been. They finally came together. And Curtis right is still a hugely successful multi-billion dollar company with over 10,000 employees worldwide. Really? I had no idea. What do they do? Make works. No, it's mainly mechanical parts now. But that is the story of the Wright

brothers and Glenn Curtis. What a tale. A tale is old as time itself. Really? Oh wow! Wow! I just thought that was a cute thing that he says. It is a nice thing. I'm with you. No, I'm jerks. Sorry. I feel like I knew nothing about the right brothers. Yeah, I knew nothing about it. I thought that would mean good people. I had a feeling that I was from New Zealand. No. And I... Wow, you really knew less than I did. Yeah, so there had no connection to New Zealand at all. Not that I came across. Did New Zealand have anything to do with early flight?

Not that you came across, huh? No one's thinking about it. I'm thinking about that flightless bird, probably. The Kiwi? The Kiwi. New Zealand has a bird that can't fly. The Wright Brothers must have been from New Zealand. That was my connection.

I thought those were like yin and yang and they can't set each other out. You know what I mean? I know what you mean. I don't think I know what he means. Thank you to everyone who suggested the Wright Brothers is a topic we may have missed some other people, so if you did suggest it, thank you very much. We always appreciate when you guys give us cool topics to report on, which a lot of people are.

And we also like to thank everyone that helps support the show via patreon.com. So let's do go on pod and a very specific shout out to three people now. I would like to thank a hero amongst men and animals. Okay. What? Dr. Do Little Himself. What? All the way from NYC New York City, you know, the big apple. Okay, the home of Jake Sullivan. Oh, I'm flying here. I'm flying Jake. You're flying Jake. I'm Jake in here. I'm Jake and Jake. Jake, Jake and Jake. Jake, have we said your name enough?

Every word becomes Jake now. Thank you to Jake. Thanks so much for supporting the show. All the way, it still blows my mind that people across the world have to pull the show. It's pretty cool. So thank you, Jake Sullivan. We're speaking of people across the world.

I would like to thank a friend of ours from Seattle. Oh, first place of Grunge. And from one side of the country to the other. Rest in peace, Chris, for now. I know, you want me, my grief to be over, but. Oh, I don't want you grief to be over. I want you to stop interrupting my sentence that I'm trying to think.

Same difference, Jess. I'm not trying to think one of our listeners and friends. Do you think he is listening to it on the top of the space needle right now? This... Do you reckon he's watching it from listening to it from Fraser's house? Yeah, definitely. The baby will hear the music all ill.

Anyway, that's this favorite song of our good friend Alex Woo. Sweet. Alex Woo. Alex has a sweet name. Alex has Wooed me. Oh, great. Yeah, we're too late. Are you moving to Seattle?

We're too be wed, yes. What's he moving here? He's moving here. Oh, taking my name. The ultimate sacrifice. No, we're hyphenating. We're purkins. We'rekins.

We're gonna just make life. We're gonna combine. That is none how hyphen works, but I think it's even better. Okay. I changed my mind. I can't create a word. I'm not a word. No, but I do like the Okay. I changed my mind. I can create a red, a red, a red. No, but I do like the name.

Which is quite progressive. Woo, hyphen, kins is quite nice. Yeah. Wukins. Yeah, wukins is nice. That's cute, isn't it? Alex and Jess Wukins. So that's nice.

Well, I was surely at hyphen. Wouldn't you merge both names? So you just become one person? Is that what marriage is all about? A less wukins. What about pukins? No. Pooh hyphen, kins kids I won't have it okay Alex

balls in your car yeah persuade your wife to be alright and I'd love to think a little close at home from Shepherd and Victoria ship the land who who is from Shepherd and we got Briggs shown Rapper Briggs. Oh, yeah, okay. Yeah, I've done like I've done a gig there. Shep life So that counts cool town anyway, I this guy I I'm relevant. I'm cool. I know what towns are I Think we we do tend to attract Awesome. We named people and this is this is up there with at least it to you just said probably better than those to be honest. Wow, this is okay. Okay, little fair. That's my on the behalf of Jake's Holvin on a bit upset. I think I think it might be my

favorite name ever. A lot of hype. What is it? John T. O'Neill. Oh, fuck. How good is that? I'm sorry, Jake, and Alex, but that is awesome. John T. John T. O'Neill. John T. O'Neill. That's a great, that is awesome. Jonti. Jontio Neil. Jontio Neil. That's a great, that would be a good pub name. Oh, I'm gonna meet you at the Jonti. Hold the beer. I mean, hold the food. Shit.

You can hold the beer, but when I get there, you're gonna have to pass it to me. So I can hold it. It's gonna be warm. No, it's fine. I imagine us holding a beer, Dave, just lapping it like a cat. And that's... Yeah.

But how do I get the bottom bit? He's like, no sense. They've just lapping it like a cat. And that I've got all those expensive isn't it, guys? I love shot glasses though, I can get right to the bottom of them. Get my tongue in there. Got a slurp. He's very good at lick-sips-up. Lick-sips-up. Is that it? Yes.

Good. People don't do that much anymore. This is a real popular thing back in the day. What, in the 70s? When I was a boy, yeah. 1870s. What was the boy? Was it you? Lick the caracene. Lick the battery. Sip the... Sip the arm. Asbestos try to think about that out out data things the people don't use anymore because they're unsafe and then suck the penny-farthing time And we're out. Oh, we made it. Thank you so much to everyone that does the hordes of patreon It's really taken a kick lately and we are well Insight of the goal of Jess and Matt getting a tattoo, remember of Matt Wins, you get,

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We get there. Oh, you were there. Every day we're a little bit closer. If we go, can we go to Washington D.C. to the Smithsonian so we can see the Wright Brothers plane? I reckon we got to map it out so we go through everywhere we can try and see all these things. We got to go to Daytona Higher.

Oh my God. We got to go to the Space Nero. You know, we've talked about a lot of things. We've probably covered about 20 states. And by the time that that goal is reached it will be another couple of years away probably. My dream is to see Mount Rushmore man. I want to see that Yeah, it's a yeah, all right. Well now we've mentioned it so now we fucking have to Gotta get a gotta get a Elvis's ranch. Oh, Graceland

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