Do Go On - 85 - The Wright Brothers

Episode Date: June 7, 2017

Dave reports on how the super secretive Wright brothers went from humble bike shop owners to the inventors of the first controlled airplane. But then they get paranoid about people stealing their ideas and sue the hell out of everyone, especially bad boy Glenn Curtiss - a chapter in history known as 'The Wright Brothers Patent War'. The Wrights may win the first battle, but who will win the war?Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPodFollow us and submit topic ideas:Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail]   Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Melbourne and Canada, we got exciting news for you. And we should also say this is 2026. Jess, what year is it? 2026. Thank God you're here. Right now, I'm in Melbourne doing my show with Serengy Amarna 630 each night at the Cooper's Inn Hotel, having so much fun. We'd love to see you there. Canada, we are visiting you in September this year.

If you've somehow missed the news, we are heading up Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal and Toronto for shows. That's going to be so much fun. Tickets for all this stuff, I believe, are online. And I'm here too. And welcome to another episode of DoGo. On, my name is Dave, and I'm here with Matt and Jess. Hello. Hi.

Did I throw you off by not saying my last name? Yes, I was going to say. Since what are you saying, Dave? It just feels so formal. Hello, my name is David James Warnocky, and I'm here with Matthew James Stewart. And Jessica Ann Perkins. Thank you. Thank you for having me at this book club meeting.

A book club meeting? What are we reading this week? This week we are reading Breakfast of Tiffany's. Oh, Truman Capote. A classic. Matt, your opinions on this novella? I think it's really good. I like that weird racist stereotype part.

Tell me more. The landlord is in yellow face. Matt, did you watch the film instead of reading the book again? Fuck. Yeah, that bit where Audrey Hepburn. Oh, no. I liked Audrey Hepburn. Hepburn's portrayal. Oh no.

Oh no. What have I done? You're out of the book club, mate. That's your third and final strike. Look, what? Just because I've never read a book before. Yeah. That, and remember the pants incident? Yeah, I wore, I wore pants. I'm sorry. No, man, it was that you weren't wearing pants, too. The pants incident.

And remember the time I asked you to pick up the Monte Carlo's? It was your turn to get the Monte Carlo's. What did you bring? What did you bring? Kingston. Kingston. Who likes Kingston's? Apparently a lot of people. But I prefer Monte Calas. I ate them on the way. You were left with Kingston.

I was left with the backup Kingston's. Every car should carry a packet of emergency Kingston's. All right. Monte Calais, number one. Then you've got probably the Kingston's maybe in two. Oh, okay. Then I reckon I'd go to the chocolate creams, whatever they're called. Delta cream?

Delta creams. They're pretty good. This is a good chat. I think Lois is the orange cream. Orange slice. Orange slice. Orange slice, okay. This is really accessible for her.

internationalists. All right, so a Delga cream is pretty much like a cheap Oreo. Yeah, basically, yeah. Only nice. And Monte Carlos, I like Monty Carlos. Yeah, can't beat them. Cannot beat them. That weird red lining around the weird white cream stuff.

What is that? I don't know, but I love it. What a time to be alive. What a time. All right, well, I'm going to take you back in time this week. With my topic, should we get straight into it? Let's do it. What's bloody do it?

This is a fish, and I like it. I reckon the people are going to love this. I might appreciate that. Like, thank God. They were talking about biscuits. And yours are usually quite long, too. I've got a long one. Of course you do.

All right, mate. And my report's quite big too, so... He's on fire. All right, so we're going to start my topic with a question. And by the way, this is the first one. The Patreon, Patron, have been able to vote on my topic. So I gave them three options. So maybe we'll give you the two backup options

after I we announced the winner. Okay. And it's so awkward watching you butcher the spine segment that I worked up over months. That's interesting. It was probably the best part of the show

and now that you're doing it poorly, it is... I don't have the muff on my mic this week so I've got to really watch my Pays. I'm sure there's a word for it that isn't muff. It probably is, but yeah, anyway. No Pays. Usually P starts with P.

It's hard to. So whenever I say P, it starts with the P sound. I think every time you say P, you just replace it with an O. Okay. OE. Okay. That worked. Great.

So, my question is, to both of you. Yes. Oh, okay. Who? Dayton, Ohio's. Yes. Ohio.

Favorite sons. Sons. They're Dayton, Ohio's favourite sons. So they're siblings? Ohio. Maybe. Yes, they are siblings. Which brothers are Dayton, Ohio's favorite sons?

I have one. Matt, I think I've got this. Yeah, okay. Let's throw it over to Jess. It's Mario and Luigi. Are they from Dayton, Ohio? Yeah. They are.

But they actually came runner up in the favorite sons poll. Interesting. Speaking of classic polls. Dayton, Ohio. because we had another Ohio topic very recently as well. Ohio. We're in Ohio country at the moment. We're in a real Ohio Purple Patch.

Well, I mean, you've got a... Purple Patch is not good for the lack of peas. Purple Patch. O'erple, Oatch. You've got to play to your audience, and we've got a lot of Ohio listeners. Yeah, we do. Okay, so it's not Mario and Luigi. I really thought I had it there.

Favorite Sons. Is it a team? No, it is two brothers. Okay. Okay. Did they play for the, for the Buckeyes, the Ohio State University Buckeyes? They did not. Okay.

Did they? For they did not need college where they were going. Oh, where would you not need college? Jail. Are they the cray twins? Yeah, are you doing the cray twins again, but they moved to Ohio? No, but if they were to go to jail, maybe they could just fly over the pre-year-year-old. is in war.

Okay, Superman and Superman's brother, John. Not quite as Superman John. Yeah. Simon Kent. Simon Kent. No? Clarence Kent.

Do you want to just tell you? Yeah, I have a funny feeling. Now that I know it's flying brothers, it's definitely the... Amelia Earhart and her brother, Emilio. I was going to say the TurboToe twins, but the ones who fly with powered toes,

they got jetpack toes. You know the Tobot twins? Also known as the Wright brothers. Oh! You are correct. Or could I say, right? Oh, very good. Did you write that joke?

No, I don't have to. Did you write that joke? Jess made a joke on your joke. That is some amazing wordplay. Thank you so much. We are very, very smart. Thank you. All these very intelligent jokes we make.

Yeah. We're three smart people. The Wright brothers, cool. I remember doing a project about them. I know that you did that because when someone tweeted in this as a suggestion, I had to go back, because I went back through to make sure no one else had tweeted in the suggestion, so I searched our Twitter handle and write. And so you'd written back obviously just saying,

oh, wow, I did a project on them in grade four. I wonder how much I remember. Yeah, I don't think it's going to be much. Oh, good. And also in grade four, I did a project on the Black Box. I don't remember a lot about that either. The Black Box Brothers. Yeah.

A lot of flying. A lot of flying stuff. Did you go to flight school? Yeah. Flight Center. I went to Flight Center. Flight Center Primary School. Really?

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. We all, all those cute little cravat things. Yeah. Yeah. Flyman's cravat. That's what the guy flies are playing, the Flyman? Flyman.

Yeah. The Flyman. No, the Flyman. Flyman. Flyman. Flyman. Flyman. Oh no.

I've hurt my flyman. You're trying to say phlem again? Flyman. Flyman. Flamen. Simon. the flyman. Flyman.

Simon the Flyman. This is your Flyman, Simon speaking. Do you like my riff about how I'd hurt my flyman? I don't know what it means. I think I was trying to say something about Hyman, but I don't fully know what a hyman is. Nah, I did. I broke it. I broke it long ago.

I'm done. Yuck. Oh, what a start. All right, well, let me try and rescue this episode by telling you that Matt, seconds ago, he'd fun of me for my poll. My Petron poll. He looked at my poll and said, that is a small pole. No, my Patreon poll, well, let me just tell you, Matt, that my poll was closer than any of your polls ever were.

Oh, how's that feel, Dickon? I picked topics that were so great that the patrons really struggled. That's one way to spin it. Otherwise, they were so bad that they didn't know which to pick. That's actually true. So I decided to have a topic. Yep. I went with brothers.

Okay, cool. That was my subject matter, I should say. So I'll tell you. Just brothers, not siblings? Just brothers. No, I'm with brothers. Because we had so many people, went through the hat and I sort of categorized suggestions.

So the least popular suggestion, 31% of the vote, the least popular. 31%. Stuart brothers. Yeah, you and your brother. You and your bro. Fair enough, too. Tom and Matt.

It would have made for a real interesting 15 minutes, chat. And here he is. Yeah, we bring in your brother. We had Jesse and Frank James, you know, Jesse James, the outlaw criminals. Okay, yeah, cool. As opposed to the in-law criminals. In second place, 33% was the Marks brothers, which I believe Matt had also put in as a vote before. Is that true?

Did that come second before? No, no. You never made that a vote? Never made that a vote. This guy. And finally, but the winning, with only 36% of the vote. Wow. So it was only about three or four votes.

I was about to like, what was it? What won? That would never have won one of my votes, 36. It's a paltry number. I always got more higher percentages, more higher. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So I think about that day.

Well, you should have just been... More higher. I don't know what to do with that. putting into a calculator and it says error. The topic of the Wright Brothers is suggested by three people on three separate mediums. We've got Tyler Schcommer on email. Thank you, Tyler. David Nelson on Facebook.

Thank you, David. And good old Pete Free. Pete. Which is two in a row that Pete, because Pete, she's suggested many things on Twitter. Good job, Pete. She did the Somerton Man, my last topic, as well as the Wright brothers. Wow. Hot streak for Pete.

Yeah, go Pete. That's Street for Pete. All right. Keen for Paine, Street for Pete. Let's do it. Street for Pete. Street for Pete. Yeah, we're going to name a street after her if she gets one more.

Wow. Wow. What is that? I loved it. Do it all the time now. I just didn't realize. Wow. All right, we're going to do some Roy Brothers.

Do you know their names, Jess? Do you remember? Is one of them Edward or Edmund or Daniel. Kevin William I feel that Matt's probably more of a chance Because Stephen I'm not going to give this

Janial Janial We've already let you guess the topic I'm not going to let you guess the names Oh but give me a clue Because I reckon I might Simon Give me the first letter

Of the first W and O Wilbur And was it Wilbur That's right And The second one is the name Orville

Very good Yeah Fuck off you naysayer Oh piss off You need a clue Does not count If you go Okay yeah to remember

The name's Wilbur and orval. You go on who wants to be a millionaire. No, no, make, give us a clue. Come on. Go on, Eddie. Just give us a... Eddie, I'll say the alphabet,

and when I get to the right letter, you cough. Cough. A. B. B? What, is that a genuine cough? We'll do it again. We'll see you.

A. B. See, you didn't cough that time. This is very confusing. That's the way of secretly getting the info out of Eddie, so no one else would notice. You say, When I say the right letter, you cough. That's your secret plan.

If you say that into my microphone. So the producer of the shows don't realize. But my real secret plan is that I've got someone in the audience talking to me in my ear. Right. Wouldn't that be pretty obvious as well if they're just hanging over the barricade talking in your ego? And that's a second, that's a second plant to put you off so you don't know that I'm actually the world's smartest man. And I know the answer anyway. People won't believe that.

They'd rather believe you're a liar. Wilbur and Orville, right. Wilbur, born 1867. A good year. His younger brother, Orville. Orville. I'd never heard that name. Have you heard that before?

No. So it's Orville, Orville. Orville. Which one is it? Orville. How else could you say it? Orville. Orville.

It's an awful name. It is pretty bad. But he was born 1871. They were two of the seven children born to Milton Wright. Good name. a bishop in the Church of the United Brethren in Christ, and his wife, Susan Catherine Corner. Susan.

Willa was born near Millville, Indiana, and Orville in Dayton, Ohio. Ohio. They moved around a lot, but most of the time they were based in Dayton, Ohio. The other siblings in the Ryan family were the older Royklin. Jeez, they're all fucked names. Lauren. Oh, yuck. but L-O-R-I-N, so Lorin.

Lauren. The younger Catherine, who the two brothers were very close with, and twins Otis and Ida, who both died in infancy. In elementary school, Orville was given to mischief and was once expelled. He was, however, very clever and encouraged by his parents, and he wrote in his memoir. We were lucky enough to grow up in an environment where there was always much encouragement to children to pursue intellectual interests to investigate whatever aroused curiosity. That's nice.

Their father Milton travelled a lot for his church work, and in 1878 he bought home a toy helicopter for the boys. Do you have to travel much for church work? I kind of feel like you're assigned a church and that's it, isn't it? No, I think that they were sort of... Second family, secret second family for sure. Yeah, 100%. And he's bringing home toys just to make up for his absence.

Yeah, yeah, big time. Covering that. So they're not asking questions. Busy with their toys. Smart. Very smart. Very smart. Where's your other family have a toy?

No more questions. So they've gone straight to Where's your other family? Yeah. I told you they were encouraged to be inquisitive. So he brought him a toy helicopter for the boys. It was made of Coik ban... Coik. Oh, good.

Yeah, good building material. Now known as cork. But at the time, Quik. Coik. Coik, bamboo and paper. And then they had a toiky sandwich. I've got a toik.

A toiky sandwich. It had a rubber band that would twirl its twin blade So it would just sort of fly up and down Using a rubber band Orville and his brother were fascinated by the toy And a lifelong passion for aeronautics was born Oh The two brothers were so into this toy

They were keen on trying to create a life-size version of the toy So they could fly with it But then their school teacher persuaded them That this was probably pretty dangerous So they gave up the idea Killjoy Typical teachers, you know, holding the kids down It was actually his name was Principal Killjoy

Really? Some people are just born into it. As Orville grew older, so did his interest in hobbies outside the classroom, and he dropped out of high school during his senior year, and he opened a print shop. His older brother Wilbur was bright and a studious child, and excelled in school, and he made plans to attend Yale University after high school. I've heard of it.

But, as I said at the start, they didn't need uni. When Wilbur was 18 years old, an accident changed the course of his life. He was badly injured in an ice hockey game when another player's stick hit him in the face and he lost his two front teeth. His injuries healed. The incident plunged Wilbur into a depression. He did not receive his high school diploma, cancelled plans for college and became withdrawn. Holy shit.

A bit of a recluse. Can you just plan to go to Yale, isn't it? Like, don't they choose you? Not you go, all right, well, I've made my decision. I think that maybe he was so smart that he could. take his pick. Maybe he could be, it was being a bit arrogant.

Yeah. Have you ever watched the Gilmore Girls? No. It's also a know from me. Interesting. Interesting. Well, no further comment then. Did it have context or do you just want to know?

I just wanted to ask your opinion. And one question for you. Were they from Dayton, Ohio? No. No. Are they Dayton, Ohio's favorite daughters? Rory is like set on going to Harvard from the age of like 15. She the mom?

No, it's the daughter. Hmm, interesting. Yeah. Anyway. I thought Gilmore Girls was McLeod's daughters for so many years. Different shows. Very different names. An Australian show set on a farm.

Similar. And then when people got excited about it coming back, I was like, really? People enjoyed that farm show? You're an idiot. They're different things. Yeah. The names are quite different.

Quite different. Or is it just like daughters? We're all someone's girls. That's true. That's John Farham one said. Can I argue with that logic. Things got worse for the rights when in 1899 their mother, Susan, died after a long battle with tuberculosis.

Oh, no. In 1889, awful. What is tuberculosis? TB, consumption? It ruins your lungs. You explaining it with abbreviations doesn't help. What is tuberculosis? TB.

Oh. What is cancer? The big C? Oh, cancer. Right. I understand the science. of how it works now. If you break it down into a small one or two letter combination,

suddenly I become a doctor. I think, too big you, it ruins your lungs. Sort of cough yourself to death. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, awful. Sorry, Susan. It's real bad.

Yeah, no good. A long battle, too. Yeah. Orville, 1889, he dropped out of the printing stuff. He began publishing the West Side News, a weekly West Dayton newspaper, with Wilbur serving as the paper's editor. They converted the paper to a daily in 1890

And they called it the evening item But it only lasted four months Don't mind the evening item as a name It's quite good, it's all right isn't it? Then they're focused on commercial printing When that failed And when that didn't go well In 1892

They decided to capitalise on the national bicycle craze They opened a bike shop They just don't know when to quit, do they? The bike craze, I hear you ask Was spurred by the invention of the safety bicycle which is a two-wheeled bike that we know today, which was much more popular than the penny farthing. You know the bike with the...

Yeah, I know a penny farthing, and why would you ever get rid of it? It's sick. It's a pretty-looking bike. I imagine quite expensive and quite dangerous. It feels like such a weird way to have had a first stab at a bike. Yeah, you'd think it would... Yeah, you'd think you would start with the two... Two tires the same size.

And then maybe that's the safety bike. Yeah. weird. Anyway, good on them. But people are loving the safety bike. Initially, they just started selling and fixing other brands bikes, but in 1896, they started designing and manufacturing their own. So they're quite invented.

Right bikes. Malvin Star. Is it Malvin Star? Huffy. Huffy. Remember Huffy? That was a brand of BMX. Pegs on the back.

Oh. And it's broke you dope going... I had a bike. It was pink. and it had a little, not a basket on the front, but like a little bag. So you could put... You could zip it up, basically, and the bike's name was cuddles. I did not name it.

What do you mean the bike's name? It said cuddles on there. Yeah. The bike's name. So, Jessica, what's your bike called? Cuddles. Cuddles. All right?

And Matt, what's your bike called? Do people talk about it for their bike's name? Huffy. Is that like the brand? Cuddles. Do you call the bike? brand of something its name? No, it had, like it had brand...

It's my car, his name is Ford. Frile for a pop your drinks in the Samsung. The fridge. Yeah, it's a Samsung. Anyway, just thought I'd share that fun anecdote with you from my childhood and you two tear it down. Sorry, cuddles. You're talking to me or the bike?

Am I cuddles now? I'm confused. Are you the bike or the... I name people after the brand of bike that they run. Your cuddles. Matt's Huffie. Fair enough. They love bikes, but they shared another secret passion.

Women. Oh. Definitely not. Sorry. Aeronautics. Oh, interesting. That makes sense. Orville and Wilbur followed the latest flying news.

In 1896, brought about three very important aeronautical events that they got very excited about. In May that year, so the Smithsonian Institution, Secretary Samuel Langley successfully flew an unmanned steam-powered wing model aircraft. In mid-year, Chicago Engineer and Aviation Authority Octave Shanoot brought together several men who tested various types

of glider over Sand Dunes along the shore of Lake Michigan and the famous German aviator Otto Lillenthal whose research the brothers had studied and followed for a long time who's kind of a hero. He died in a glider crash. The Wright brothers became convinced that

With better designs, human flight was possible. So I love it. The hero dies and they've gone, that's it. I can do this. Yeah, it's our time to shine. Yeah. With him gone, with our hero from Germany gone. Yeah.

In America, we can invent a plane. Lillenthal based his designs on flying birds. He tried to make machines that looked a lot like birds, and he was ridiculed in life, often disparagingly referred to as the flying squirrel. Oh, that's nice. That's cute. A little squirrel It's in a little plane

It's got the goggles on A little scarf Flying screw, that's adorable Also, good pub name Yes Do you want to go out for dinner later We'll just head down to the Flying Squirrel What do you reckon?

Yes, please Great What are you going to get? A pint of John Smith's Smooth ale Mm-hmm Great

And hold the food Hold the food Interesting, okay I love. Often when I'm at a cafe, they ask if I want to, I don't drink coffee. They was like, do you want some coffees? From now and I will turn to them and say, hold the coffee. I will only have brunch.

I will only eat. Never drink. Hold the coffee. Anyway, so the hero's dead and now they think they can usurp him. They're like, we're going to have a crack at that. So in May 1899, Wilbur, letter to the Smithsonian Institute requesting information and publications about aeronautics. We've got a bunch of books and stuff.

Drawing on the work of English engineer Sir George Cayley, the previously mentioned Chinute, Lilithor, Langley, as well as Leonardo da Vinci, who 400 years earlier had conceptualized several flying machines. The rights began their mechanical aeronautical experimentation that year. Wilbur, who obviously loved to write letters, wrote to the US Weather Bureau and asked for a list of really windy places in his area. I hope that's how it was worded too, right? I don't know where the windy areas are.

It's so funny. That's so good. I can't believe, I need to just mention how good Chinute is the name. Why hasn't they come up yet? I was waiting for someone to mention it. Chinute. Shenute. Maybe the best name I've heard so far.

Is that a first name? No, it's a surname. How do you spell it? C-H-A-N-U-T-E. Sh-N-U-T-E. Sh-N-U-N-U. It sounds like something that Michael Jackson would. See?

Shanoo! Shenute! Yeah. But I actually think it's a perfectly good first name. Shenute Warnacki. Oh, okay. Hello. Future children.

Hello, future children. This is the moment you were named. If Matt hadn't have stopped the podcast and made me realize what a great name that is. Could have been mine. Never called it. You stuffed it. Sorry, mate. I gave it away.

Try again next time, champ. I will. But Chinute. Yeah, next time, Pibit to yourself, Matt. Shonut. It is. It does that work at all? Chinute-Wonicky, adorable.

Yeah, because I've got to, you have it, because you've got an acceptable last name, like quite, you know, common and acceptable. Shnut-Sewitt is too many, it sounds, no. Shanut-Wanke, it just sounds like, it's great, it flows, it flows, it blows, it doesn't like it. Shonit Stuart, sounds great. Shonut-Sewitt.

If you do it any Scottish accent. Shonut, Stuart. But it's Chinute, hey, Mac. She knew how you make portage. So the US Weather Bureau wrote back to his windy letter request. That hello Wilbur, we assume you are 10 years old. And want to fly a kite. Where's the windy places?

What an adorable question. Here is a list of places you can fly a kite. But make sure to ask mum and dad. Kind regards weather bureau. Locked bag. X, X, X. They wrote back and they suggest Kitty Hawk on the sparsely populated outer banks of North Carolina.

I've heard Kitty Hawk. Probably because of... Because of this. Yeah, that's probably why. Probably made it famous. Still only a few thousand people live there. So it really put Kitty Hawk on the map. I was going to say, yeah.

And there on the sand dunes, very windy sand dunes of Kitty Hawk, the brothers got to work. Oh, imagine windy sand dunes. Just sand in your eyes. See, yeah, sand just gets everywhere. You go to the beach. You go to the beach. Three weeks later, he's still finding sand in your butt. Sandin your hymen.

I was going to Sandy Hyman. Sandy Hyman's not a bad name. Where are you going for lunch? Oh, the Sandy Hyman. What are you going to get? Hold the food. There was a swimmer called Misty Hyman in the 90s, I think. Olympic swimmer.

Misty Hyman. That's not good. Oh, sorry, yeah, no good. Disagree about that name. Shunut Heimann. They broke down mastering flight into three key elements. in three stages. If you can master these things, you can fly a plane.

One, wings that will lift you off the ground into the air. Interesting. I reckon you could stop there. Yeah. Yep. So the difference between, so people had already flown gliders and stuff, but no one had been able to control it. So that's the right brothers are the first people to successfully launch a controlled

airplane. Spoilers. Number two. Stickers that make you look badass. They want a propulsion system that will move the wings through the air to generate lift, like some sort of engine. And number three. Stickers of fire.

Nali. And finally, a control system that will balance the airplane and let the pilot decide where they were light to go. That's the really key bit. Bahamas. Um. Um. Um, then I want to go. Babados.

Babados. Look, Jess, that was a long time ago. I think this time he moved on. All right, mate. We've all made slight errors in speech before. I can't think of a time I have. You better watch everything you say from now on this episode. So like I said, at this stage, people had only nailed element one, so getting off the ground.

So what they wanted to do was look at controlling the aircraft once it was airborne. On the basis of observation, Wilbur concluded that birds change the angle of their wings to make their bodies roll right or left. The brothers decided this would also be a good way for a flying machine to turn, so to either bank or lean, much like you do on a bicycle. Their work with bikes influences their work a lot. You know on a bike, you turn the handlebars, but you also lean? Yeah.

They're like... Not the way I ride, mate. You're all handlebar. I am dead straight at all times. No matter what. Jess is still in stage one of riding a bicycle. She can get off the ground. Excuse me.

I've got some fully sick stickers on my. My bike. You should see her at the velodrome. Very funny. It gets to the corner. You're still going up into the crowd. Riding over the roof. Suddenly you're outside.

I'm still doing it. I'm doing it. So they were like, well, we want to be able to bank left or right. So lean the plane. But how the fuck do you do that on a plane? One day when holding a long,

thin, toothpaste-sized rectangular box, so a box like the toothpaste comes in, at the... Is that what the toothpaste boxes? Matt, what did you think a toothpaste box was until he described it? Oh, go fuck yourself. I was trying to make sure that... I thought it was TB.

I was trying to make sure that what I said makes sense because these words, I've watched a YouTube video of them showing the movements and I'm actually trying to make it so if you're drunk... So you're just listening to this, you can understand what I'm saying. Sure. I'm sorry. You've got a toothpaste box. He noticed that he was just fidgeting with it and inadvertently pulling it back and forth like he was gently ringing out some wet clothes.

So one hand towards himself, then one hand the other way. Yep. Which a box can do. You can imagine that? So a little calibre box. Their glider was also rectangular and he theorised that if he pulled one side of the plane up while the other side went down, they could turn in the air. Yeah, right.

And that was their sort of big revelation. That's pretty amazing. And over a couple of years and through lots of trial and error, they developed their own gliders on the sands of Kitty Hawk. Most of these kite tests were unpilited, sandbags or chains or even a small local boy used as a ballast. Oh wow. So they just tied a kid to the plane and let it go.

Also, isn't it great that dental hygiene has played a part in, you know, how easily we can travel now. Yeah. Remember to floss everybody. You must. You absolutely must. It's the only way to thank the right brothers in the right way. It's the right thing to do. We'll let you know that it wasn't actually a toothpaste box.

it had like bicycle tools in it. To me it looks like a bicycle. Just look about like a bit like a bit. So sorry, it wasn't a toothpaste box at all. No, it's just like that shape. So even after all of that, and I'm imagining a Colgate ducts. So it's got nothing to do with it.

It's got nothing to do with toothpaste at all. What about? Did they even have toothpaste? Triple mint stripe. Probably not. Definitely not whitening or sensitive, did they? It would have just been the one thing. God, they couldn't bite into an ice cream like I can.

confidently every time. Sensor down. In 1901, the brothers showed their true genius. So they've been on the sense for a couple of years. They show their true genius when instead of continuing to test different gliders with slight changes, something to perfect could take decades. So they just kept doing it thousands and thousands of times. They built a miniature wind tunnel where they could test tiny metal miniature versions of their gliders.

They were able to test and perfect hundreds of different wing types in a very short amount of time. Wow. So the Wrights took a huge step forward and made basic wind tunnel tests on 200 wings of many shapes and curves followed by detailed tests on 38 of them. So if they did that on the sands, it would have taken forever. But they just did it at home.

The tests, according to biographer Fred Howard, quote, were the most crucial and fruitful aeronautical experiments ever conducted in so short a time with so few materials and at so little expense. With their new method, the rights achieved true control in turns for the first time on October 8, 1902, a major milestone. From September to October that year, they made between 700 and 1,000 glides, the longest lasting 26 seconds. Wow. And they went 600 feet or nearly 200 metres. So it's kind of impressive.

26 seconds, yeah, that's impressive but you bloody think it's impressive, mate. So at this stage, no one else is doing this though, right? Or is that not right? Other people are doing it, but no other people are doing it with the wind tunnel. Okay, so you really...

So other people are doing similar stuff? So at the moment they're just gliding, which other people aren't doing, but soon they want to add an engine, which other people aren't doing properly. Right. Another big move was when the rights discovered the true purpose of a movable vertical rudder.

Its role was not to change the direction of flight as a rudder does in sailing when you're sailing a boat, but rather to aim or align the aircraft correctly during banking turns and when leveling off from turns and wind disturbances. So it sort of helps the plane to recover. Sort of go back to normal. Other builders, until this point, had thought of planes like boats.

When a boat gets knocked by a big wave because of its weight, it sort of balances and rites itself. But the riots with their biking background, once again, saw the plane as more of a giant bike where the person in control of the vehicle it's their job to correct and balance the vehicle themselves you know when you're on a bike you hit something the bike doesn't have enough gravity or whatever to balance itself

as a rider you've got to sort of work it out their big breakthrough here was well if we let the pilot control that then it's his or her job to do that that's interesting in 1903 the brothers built the powered right flyer one using their preferred material for construction. Spruce, a strong and light weight wood, and Pride of the West Muslin for surface covering.

So if you see photos of it, it's sort of covered in fabric. Are they also designed and covered... What does spruce mean? That's like a type of wood. Oh, right, so the spruce goose. Oh, that was made of spruce, wood. Does that make sense? Spruce.

It's a fun word. Spruce. Spruce it up a bit. Yeah. Is that what that means? Must. Add wood to it. Yeah.

What have you been doing if somebody said spruce it up? Adding cushions. You've been adding throw pillows. You've been decking and pimping my ride. You've got to add water. I've been adding like subwifers. No. Oh, what are you doing?

You got to spruce it up, mate. Cover it in wood panelling. Wood panelling. Damn it. You idiot. I am so embarrassed for you. Yeah, I think so the spruce goose. I always say spruce moose because that's the parody on the Simpsons.

That was Howard Hughes's giant wooden Hercules plane, which he used spruce because it is so light. And it's like the biggest plane that's still ever flown. Really? Like the wingspan. It's too big. And you only ever flew it once. Wow.

But that was enough to prove the haters wrong. But the rights, they also designed and carved their own wooden propellers. They thought they could base their designs on existing wooden propellers. So they went to lots of libraries and stuff. And it turns out no one had ever made them like they did. So they had to make their own. They wrote to several engine manufacturers, but none met their need for an engine that was powerful but also really light

because you can't make it heavy if it's going to fly. So they turned to their trusted friend and bike shop mechanic Charlie Taylor. Charlie Taylor, who is a big part of the story but often isn't talked about. So I sort of want to give you a bit of credit here. He built the engine that they used and he built it in just six weeks in close consultation with the brothers. To keep the weight low enough, the engine block was cast from aluminium, a rare practice for the time.

So they're making innovations everywhere they go and sort of making it up as they go. They would have called it aluminum. That is true. Thank you. It is. Truminum. The flyer, just you can imagine it,

it had a wingspan of 40 feet or 12.3 meters. It weighed 600 pounds, 270 kilos, and it had a 12 horsepower, 82 kilo, 180 pound engine. I don't understand horsepower, but it sounds impressive. I think isn't it just meant to be like early on they were basically saying how many horses would generate this man of power or something? Yeah, early on. Yeah, and that sort of became standardized. What is that?

What is one horsepower? It depends on the horse, isn't it? Yeah. That's true. And its level of belief in itself. Right. You know? So much of it is in the mind.

It's mental. You speak to any Olympian, they'll tell you. Yeah. So you're saying that this 12 horsepower with a self-belief factor of two on a scale of, one to four. Yeah. I don't want to go crazy here. These aren't professional horses.

Okay. Some horses are professional at being horses. Volunteer horses. They're actually... Part-time horses. They're actually men in horse outfits. Yeah. Anyway, Dave, do go on.

Now, Matt, asked earlier, other people are doing this at the same time. They totally are. People are trying to develop planes all over the world. In October of this year, 1903, the Smithsonian Secretary General Samuel Langley was given 50 grand by the US government, which at the time is a fortune, to develop a plane he called the Langley Aerodrome.

He had made some successful unmanned flights in the 1890. So he had the US media's attention when he proposed the first manned test flight, carrying his chief assistant, Charles Manley. But it was a disaster. With everyone watching there, and the world's newspapers watching, the aerodrome failed to fly and crashed into the Pontemac River seconds after launch. Uh-oh. This led to the widespread public belief that man flight was probably impossible. And now look at us. That's right.

We're doing this report from an aeroplane. Three separate airplanes. Hmm. We fly in formation. Jess, don't ruin the magic. I think people like to think we're all in the same aeroplane. We're like flying ducks. We fly in formation.

Ducks fly together. Triple Dek. Ducks who flies together stays together. Oh my God. I want to watch my... Believe in you, Charlie. The rights, so there was that disaster in October. The rights took to the air two months later, December 17, 1903,

making two flights each from level ground into a freezing headwind. The first flight by Orville at 1035 in the morning was 120 feet or 37 meters in 12 seconds at a speed of 7 miles or 11K over the ground. The fourth flight was the longest of the day. The distance over the ground was measured to be 850. 52 feet. The time of the flight was 59 seconds. So it's not very far, but they were ecstatic.

They had done it. That is the first ever controlled air flight. That's pretty amazing. Five people witnessed the flights, including John T. Daniels, who snapped a famous photo of Orville called First Flight, which you still see if you Google. Right, brothers, this one comes up.

And also a local teenage boy who lived in the area. And just happened to be one way and fast. There you go. What are you blokes up to? Yeah. I'll have a look. Mind if I hang around and have a squeeze? And then you accidentally squizz the first ever flight, controlled flight.

You squeeze on history. It's amazing. What a moment. That's a really amazing moment. You were looking at me like, you wanted me to agree? Yeah. I just wanted you to contribute. Well, I just wanted you to be present.

I agree only because you looked at me like that. Try to be present. But otherwise I disagree. That's what my heart was saying. What do you disagree with? You were saying, is not impressive to see the first ever flight by accident? Impressive? No.

I wouldn't say that. Life-changing? No. I bet that guy's dead now. You know what I mean? You almost certainly is. So, you know, in that way, think about it. What'd it do for him?

He's dust now. Dust in the wind. So everything's pointless? Yes. Okay. All right. Well. Interesting.

If you're that boy, it is, because you're dead. Grow up, Dave. After the man hauled the flyer back from its fourth flight, A powerful gust of wind flipped it over several times Despite the crew's attempt to hold it down Severely damage That aeroplane never flew again Oh wow

So the first plane aeroplane to ever fly Guilty Fins have gone No real The brothers Obviously fucking excited Hiked for miles to telegram their father To tell him it was a success And to tell the local newspaper

The Wright brothers soon found that their success was not appreciated by all. Many in the press, as well as fellow flight experts, were reluctant to believe the brother's claims. I thought they were making it up. Jerks. But that plane, you said that it was out of commission straight after. So no one ever saw it.

Well, they got one photo of it. That proves it, I guess. What if they just dropped it from a height and they took the photo? Yeah, I guess that's the thing, because it's like, well, that could have been gliding. We've all bloody glided, mate. so it's really it is difficult to prove.

In 1904, the brothers, undeterred by the press ridiculing them, moved their experiments home to Ohio and set up at an airfield at Huffman Prairie. Huffman. That's nice. A cow pasture eight miles northeast of Dayton. They invited reporters to their first flight attempt of the year

on May 23 on the condition that no photographs be taken. Engine troubles and slack winds prevented any flying and they could manage only a few short hops a few days later with fewer reporters present. So that was a bit of a disappointment, but they decided to go all in on the flying business and again withdrawing from the bicycle game. This might seem like a no-brainer now after all they just invented the first controlled flights. He'd probably invest your life savings into it. However, they still had no financial backers and weren't wealthy themselves,

so financially extremely risky. Because all this building stuff costs a fortune. They also did not have the luxury of being able to give away their invention because it had to be their livelihood. Thus, their secrecy intensified, encouraged by advice from their patent attorney, Henry Toolman, and he told them to not reveal details of their machines. That's why they didn't want anyone taking photos of it

because they worried other people would come in and steal their idea. Sneaky bars. And they begin to get a little bit paranoid about that. That's just all the pot they're smoking. Yeah. Oh, I missed that bit. 420, baby. Wilbur, Orville, let's blaze it.

You know what time it is, boys. Blaze it in the sky. You better believe they were flying high. They thought they were. By October 1904, less than a year after their first flight, Wilbur made a flight that lasted 25 miles or 45 kilometers of 38 minutes, ending with a safe. landing when the fuel ran out.

Wow. So a huge improvement. Like nine months later, you've gone from like 50 seconds being a big deal to 38 minutes. That's awesome. And 38 minutes and 45Ks. Yeah, it's really far. Yeah.

And he's in control the whole time too. So it's not just like, I'm gliding, baby. Yeah, he's doing turns, doing laps. Wow. The flight was seen by a number of people, including several invited friends, their father, Milton,

who was very proud. Oh. And some neighboring farmers. That's cool. A reporters turned up the next day, because they heard a rumor of what had just happened, but they refused to fly in front of the cameras. Wow. A few newspapers published articles about the long flights, but no reporters or photographs had been there. The lack of eyewitness press coverage was a major reason for disbelief in Washington and in journals like Scientific America, whose editors doubted what they called, quote, the alleged experiments.

And newspapers wrote, alerts as they are, somehow they allowed these sensational performance. to escape their notice, which in my opinion is quite accurate. Because these days you have paparazzi camping out for like three weeks to get a photo of someone having a swim on a yacht. And now these people are doing the first ever flight ever. Don't you want to be the first reporter to try and get a photo of that? Yeah, you would think so. Isn't it the biggest story of the century? But if they're thinking about it like it's, you know, like anti-vaxxers or something, you know,

or thinking about it like it's this myth made up world. Yeah. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. This is a hoax. Ever fearful of competitors stealing their ideas and still without a patent or patent, which I'm still not decided how I like to say that word. Patent.

I'm a patent. Sorry, I'm back. You are not allowed to say any patents or patents. Try now. Yeah, try back there. Patents. Nice. So they're freaking out about the patent slash patent, which they don't have yet.

So they flew only once more on October 5th, and from then on they were. refused to fly anywhere unless they had a firm contract to sell their aircraft. Wow, okay. In Europe, the men were laughed at in the media. In 1906, skeptics... That's so funny. To picture that. Journalists, just writing articles.

Look at these chumps. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Next paragraph. Skeptics in the European aviation community had converted the press to an anti-right brother's stance. Oh, my God. European newspapers, especially those in France, were openly derisive of the brothers, calling them blufers, which translates it's bluffers. They just called them bluffers.

Blufers. The word blufers is awesome. In 1906, the all-important patent came through for the rights in the US for a flying machine. Before this point, they had been terrified that someone would take their invention, but now they've got the piece of paper that says we invented it. The Wright brothers made no flights all in 1906 and 1907. and instead they spent the time attempting to persuade the US and European governments that they had invented a successful flying machine and were prepared to negotiate a contract to sell that to their governments.

Wow. That's a long time without flying letting other people. Like catch up and... Yeah. The brothers' contracts with the US Army and French syndicate depended on successful public flight demonstrations that met certain conditions. So they needed to demonstrate that they had the goods before the government's given. money, so the brothers had to divide their efforts.

Wilbur sailed for Europe and demonstrated his flight in France. Orville would fly near Washington, D.C., and try and win over the American government. Wow. But then, we come to a man named Glenn Curtis. The shit name. I wonder what happens with him. He said in a way that means it's going to be quite important. It's dramatic, isn't it?

Oh. Oh, he's got that smug face. Okay, Glenn is either... Glenn could have somewhat of a... third wheel in this story. I feel like Glenn may be a bad guy here. No, well, I'll let you decide what you reckon. I'm on board.

I like deciding. Glenn Curtis, an inventor, pioneer and somewhat of a daredevil. One N or two in Glenn? Double N, double S. Glenn Curtis. Oh, interesting. Okay, I'm listening. Okay, continue.

I watched a short dramatization of this part of the story, and he was played by a fit actor, so I don't know if he was good looking in life, Jess, The actor certainly was. Well, I mean, you say that like I'm so superficial, that's the only thing that's important to me. You had me at Daredevil to you. I know, but you love, I was going to say, you love Glens.

I was just love daredevils. You love a bad boy. I love a bad boy. Oh, yeah. Oh, I love them. If they're like, sorry, Toots, can't talk, got to go ride my motorbike. You would not like that person at all.

Tuts, yeah. What a bit of motorbike. Do you like motorbikes? Yeah, I like motorbikes. This guy is your man. Sick. Born in New York in 1878, Glenn Curtis,

seven years younger than Orville, the younger brother, he also owned a bike shop, but in the early 1900s became interested in motorcycles. Very good. I like this bike, but I'd like it more if it went faster.

In 1902, in 1902, he invented the leather jacket. Is that what you're going to say? Yep. He also began manufacturing He was a manufacturing motorcycles with his own single cylinder engines, and by the next year he had set a land speed record on his bike.

Oh, that's sick. What a cool dude? That is pretty cool. He's 24 years old? A year later? He's got the fucking record. Oh my God, yes. The manufacturers of the famous Indian motorcycle company came to visit him

and couldn't believe that one man had made a bike faster than theirs in the back of his tiny bike shop. That's amazing. They're impressed. That's cool. In 1907, Curtis set an unofficial word record, so unverified, but he always claimed it of 136 miles or 220k an hour, a record that stood until 1930.

Wow, that's fast. So when it comes to engines, he's the real deal. He's the engine man. Oh, yeah. Glenn the engine, glengin. Glengen Curtis. He'll never hurt us. Oh, will he?

Bad boys will always hurt you. You never learn. You never learn. Protect your fragile heart. You got to. In 1907, famed inventor of the telephone, Alexander Graham Bell invited Curtis to develop a suitable engine for heavier than air flight experimentation. So there's two types of air travel at the time. There's lighter than air, which is stuff like hot air balloons and blimps and stuff.

And then there's heavier than air, which is gliders and airplanes. Sure. Okay, that makes sense. Did Alexander Graham Bell have a leather jacket? Oh, he only wore a leather jacket. Sick. Dick out. He didn't wear a leather pants He had no pants

Are you saying that he had absolutely nothing else on But just wore The leather jacket Yeah You could see the DNA Dicks and ass I've never heard that Dix?

Dix and ass He had multiple Well you didn't know that about Alexander Yeah One for each name That's what's separated him from the rest Yeah Man with two first names

And two dicks You can't trust him. It's my rule of thumb. Either all, but this man had both. Yeah. Wow. What a quadriple whammy. So two dick's bell. He regarded Curtis, bad boy.

One dick. As, well... Unidick, Curtis, that we know of. When we confirmed sightings of his uni dick, he regarded Curtis as, quote, the greatest motor expert in the country. and he invited Curtis to join his aerial experiment association, the AEA, to sort of develop their own plane.

Fun. Curtis developed a few planes and engines with the AEA. The most famous of the early ones is called the June Bug. Oh, that's cute. The Scientific American Cup was a competition promoted as the first public demonstration of an operational airplane. Whoever could publicly fly over one kilometer in front of these guys would get $25,000.

Wow. Which was a fortune back then. A fortune? I'd take that now, happily. I wouldn't. Interesting. That's why you and I differ. Put it in the bin.

You know if you can be bothered. Spit on it. Wipe your bum with it. I wipe my DNA with it. How many are you got? I've just got the one of each, yeah. Oh, a uni bum. Uni-us.

Dave? Pardon? I want to, I mean, I don't want to ask, but now I need to know. 2D, 3A. Oh, no. Two down, three across. That's a super nerdy crossword. The Arrow Club, who were doing this Scientific American Cup for the 25 grand,

they contacted the Wright brothers first, offering them first go. What my answer would be is, I have neither. Oh. That wasn't worth it. Keep going. Zero down, zero across. Yeah, zero, London. Gotcha.

So the Aero Club, the people organizing this competition, they give Wright Brothers first dibs. They're like, all right, we've heard that you can fly the plane. Do you want to come and do it? Orville wrote to decline the opportunity on June 30 as the rights were busy completing their deal with the US government. So he's like, no, we don't need you money. Glenn Curtis, bad boy, did not muck around. And when he heard the rights were not interested in competing, he stepped up. So the day before the event, he crashed his plane during a test.

But this did not put him off. Bad boy. That could probably put you off, I reckon. A few days after the rights declared that they were not interested, on July 4, Independence Day 1908, Curtis took the dune bug to the sky in front of a huge audience. A film crew turned up and made this the first ever flight recorded on film. Wow.

On the second try, after stalling the first time, the airplane successfully flew 5,500 feet, 6km in 1 minute 40, winning the trophy and a $25,000 cash prize. All right. So that was the first videoed. First videoed. So if it's the first filmed, does some people think that was the first, you know, the first real flight?

First proven. Most people believe that Wright brothers. They do believe, okay. But there is always controversy. Yeah, of course. Curtis, because of this, was instantly famous across the country because he's in all the newspapers. he's declared as like the winner of this aviation competition.

In one day, Curtis had done more to promote aviation than the Wright brothers had ever done. Wow. Three years previous to the Junebug's flight, the Wrights had made flights of up to 24 miles or 38 kilometres, but they didn't have any official witnesses. So their efforts were still widely unreported. And they're constantly reading the newspaper, being like, this fucking guy, but we don't want to give away our secrets.

So they're not, no, they're not giving in to it. Wow. Stubbing, aren't they? Amidst the publicity following the flight, the Wright sent a warning to Curtis that they had not given permission for use of, quote, their aircraft control system to be used for exhibitions or in a commercial way. They warned him that what he'd just done

infringed on their patent. Thus begins a chapter of aviation history known as the Wright Brothers Patent War. We love a good war on this show. We do. Ice cream. Same ones. End of list.

Emu ones. Emu ones. World ones. World ones. Wars on childhood obesity. War of currents. Yeah, we have the War of Currants. Jess does not remember it at all.

What was that? Do you remember when Thomas Edison electrocuted an elephant? Oh, War of Currants. I was thinking like the berry. I mean they're not berries. Oh, that sounds way more fun. Now, a few months after this scientific cup, Wilbur demonstrated his machine for the French public who had previously derided him.

The crowd was thrilled by his feats and flocked to the field by thousands, and the Wright brothers instantly became world famous. Can you do an impression of the French crowd? Oh, Bob-Boh, I'm so excited to see him hit this guy. Why did you translate most of that into English and not the first bit? I speak English. That was French. Oh, sorry.

You fucking racist. Sorry. You can understand French. Sorry, mate. Yeah, Dave. That was a real jerk move. Come on, mate. Stop checking the fucking footy score.

Damn it. So now they're, so they're famous in Europe now as being... Those flying guys. Those flying guys. Awesome. He's famous in America. Now they're two distinctive front runners for being like the one that can claim we were first. Yeah, cool.

Curtis, bad boy. Not so bad after all, because he reached out to the Wright brothers early on and said, you can make better planes than I can. I can make better engines than you can. Let's team up and get rich together. The rights. did not go for it. Not interested.

They wanted all the glory. I want it all. They want it all. And they want it now. In September 1908, Orville was asked to demonstrate his plane for the US Army. Of course, wanting to show up Glenn Curtis,

Orville agreed to the demonstration. Army Lieutenant Thomas Selfridge, himself an aviation enthusiast and good friend of Glenn Curtis, agreed to be a test passenger. So until this point, everyone has just been solo flights. Most of the time the first flights,

they actually lie down on it. As well as their pride and fame on the line was a $25,000 contract, which, as we all know, Matt, is... Is becoming less and less money as the years go on. Yeah, but it's still quite impressive. Matt would still wipe his DNA with it.

They don't want it. I don't even think I'd want it touching me anymore. I think that's actually how people got tuberculosis. Yeah. robbing $25,000 on their DNA So the Up for Grubbs was a contract with the US Army to make their planes So leading up to the event, Orville completed a series of solo test demonstrations One of these tests he flew over 62 minutes

So smashing his own existing record Wow Their arrival, Curtis was watching Who was invited to the event by his friend, Lieutenant Tom Salfridge The guy that's going to be the first sort of guest on board After 12 successful solo test, Test flights, Lieutenant Selfridge joined Orville for the first official demonstration. Tell me he's going to sabotage it.

Because he's friends with the other guy. Oh. The right flyer circled Fort Meyer four and a half times at 150 feet and everything was going really well. Oh no. Was going really well. But halfway through the fifth circuit. Oh no. The right propeller broke.

No. Losing thrust. No. The rudder. No. swiveled Not the rudder The rudder

The rudder swive The plane became horizontal And sent the flyer Into a nose dive Oh nose dive Ohvel shut off the engine And managed to glide for about 75 feet But the flyer hit the ground

Nose first Oh no When the craft hit the ground Selfridge and Wright were thrown forward Selfridge struck one of of the wooden upright of the framework of the plane, fracturing the base of his skull. Oh, no.

He underwent neurosurgery, but obviously it's pretty primitive back then. He died three hours after the crash without ever regaining consciousness. No. Thomas Selfridge was the first passenger to be killed in an aeroplane crash. Hey, well, I mean... So there's something. You'd take that, wouldn't you, as a first? It's always good to be the first to do something.

I knew he'd sabotage it with the base of his skull. Yeah, cop that plane. Oh, that's awful. Orval suffered severe injuries himself, including a broken femur, several broken ribs and a damaged hip. He was hospitalized for weeks and bedridden for months. The accident left him in pain for the rest of his life. I mean, that sounds like that should be the case because he fell out of a plane that was nose diving. Amazing to be alive.

And there's no seatbelts. It was actually... To get thrown from the plane. They did a modern... test of this and they discovered that if Selfridge had been wearing a helmet he probably wouldn't have died. Wow.

See, kids, wear your helmet. When you're flying the right flyer? No. Always wear a helmet. Even when you're on a bike. Even when you're in the shower because you might slip. Even when you're...

Helmet. How are you going to wash your hair? Don't worry about it. You're always wearing your helmet. Yeah, you've got a helmet. When you're sleeping, you can fall out of bed. Unless you're going to hit you over the head of the chair while you sleep. The Concord style helmet. With hair. With hair.

There we go. Isn't there a thing like in some European countries where they're not, they don't, like, helmets aren't really a big deal. Yeah. You know, we have to wear them here legally. Most countries it's not legal. And apparently it's, yeah, like they have less accidents over there or something. Is that right?

I think they probably just have more respect for cyclists. No, in Sweden they have this invention where you wear, it's a collar. You wear it around your neck. It's like an airbag. And then when you crash, it senses that you've, stopped way too quick and it goes around your head and protects your head. No, it does not. Yeah.

Look it up. It was a Swedish invention. So I saw an invention show about it once and then when I was walking the streets of Stockholm last year, I saw it just advertised and I was like, that's awesome. But obviously if you bring it here and you got caught without a helmet, you could get fined. Even if you're like, but I've got the fucking neck brace thing. Wow. That's so funny.

It's funny because it's like, just wear a helmet if that's the case. Yeah. Is it better than a helmet? I think they claim it, but I don't know. Way more expensive that. It's like hundreds of dollars. I don't want to look like an idiot with a helmet on. I'll just wear his collar.

Wear a neck brace. Like a dog. Or like Shakespeare. Yeah, it's got a jacobie and rough. The brother's sister Catherine, a schoolteacher, rushed from Dayton to Virginia and stayed by Orville's side for seven weeks while he was hospitalized. She helped negotiate a one-year extension of the army contract, which, despite him killing the lieutenant,

that was still open to the idea of the plane. Wow. A friend visiting Orville in the hospital asked him, Has it got your nerve? Nerve, Orville repeated, slightly puzzled. Oh, do you mean, oh, will I be afraid to fly again? The only thing I'm afraid of is if I can't get well enough, soon enough, to get the test done by next year.

Wow. So he was not afraid. Deeply shocked and upset by the incident, Wilbur, on the other hand, determined to make even more impressive flight demonstrations in the ensuing days and weeks. He set new records for altitude and due. In January 1909, Orville and Catherine joined him in France once they recovered, and for a time they were the three most famous people, arguably in the world.

Sought after by royalty, the rich reporters and the public. The kings of Great Britain, Spain and Italy came to see Wilbur fly. In July 1909, Orville, with Wilbur assisting, completed the flights for the US Army, meeting the requirements of a two-seater able to fly with a passenger for an hour, an average of 40 miles an hour. and land on damage, that was the rules. So they sold the aeroplane to the US Army for $30,000. Hmm. Which is like 25, but more because of inflation. That's funny.

It was so much more work to get that 30 grand than it would have been if you just went to that competition and flew for a bit. Yeah, it's one kilometer, which he's done 40. Yeah. So I guess, yeah, he just, he didn't want to do the little comps. He wanted to sell to a big killing army. wanted to make it a death machine which is fair enough

if the girl was passionate about killing you got to respect that you got to respect that when you find your passion you got to stick to it 100% I think that's the same that is the saying

when you find your passion you gotta stick to it you gotta stick and what's your passion moitering moitering moitering toikis murder

some was that up of that we did some Scottish episodes and someone was real disappointed on Twitter that we didn't say any Taggart style, Morda. Oh, Taga. Taga, it's a martyr. Taggart is great. I don't know if it's still, for years,

Taggart himself died or left the show, and they just kept going with him as the title character. He wasn't even there. Well, by the time McLeod's daughters finished, the McLeod's daughters had gone. Really? All the daughters. Really?

What about the Gilmores? The Gilmores. are they still there, yes. On McLeod's farm. Yeah. There is a crossover. It's so weird. Well, that makes what you said before less stupid, Dave, I guess.

In October 1909, Wilbur flew at New York City's Hudson Fulton celebrations, circling the Statue of Liberty and making a 33-minute flight up and down the Hudson River, alongside Manhattan, in view of up to one million New Yorkers. New Yorkers. I'm walking here. I'm flying here. All right. Are you mad at yourself for that?

Real mad. But imagine if you were walking and then suddenly a plane just came over. Like they're super slow. It's just like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I walk in here. Well, that was a Simpsons episode where Sighto Bob steals it. Yeah. They're trying to make it get away.

It just bounces off. And the F1 pilots try and overtake it. Well, they try and catch up with it. And they go, suggest we pursue one foot. They start chasing it with nets. Yeah, like, like. pool cleaners. Was that?

Yeah, that was actually the Wright Brothers plane? Yeah, it was supposed to be the Wright Brothers plane. So fun. But these flights along the New York Hudson River solidly established the fame of the Wright Brothers in America.

So now they've made it back home, baby. Yeah. The two brothers only flew together once ever. Their father made them promise they would only fly separately to avoid them being killed in the same accident

if something went wrong. Wow. Brutal, but fair. Why, we never get into a car together. Yep. Just in case. Why we fly separately.

I mean, you're nicknamed after someone who died in a plane crash. Yeah. Why would you tell me that? I mean... Now I'm going to be terrified of me. I mean, you must have known. Yeah, but I didn't make that connection until now, and now I'm going to be scared every time I get on a plane.

But I will suffer the fate of the original buffer. Aren't you already scared every time you get on a plane? I know I am. It's a lot of. I love it. At the back of your mind, do you not think about going down? No, I'm just thinking about I'm going to go be somewhere else. How fun.

I'm in a new place. Yeah, I think about the sacrifice is definitely worth it. Gonna be over there. And if you're going to go out, like, at least go in an interesting way, so that at my high school reunion, like, do you hear Jess, she passed away? Oh my God, was she sick? No, bang crash. No, no, no, diabetes.

She was going to Hobart. You know, you want to be going somewhere really excited. Is that a dig at Hobart, Jess? Yep. Interesting. Fuck him. I'm going to Hobart soon. Good.

You're going to go by ship? No. By plane. I'm going to go by plane. Interesting. Well, good luck. And I'm going to name myself... Bon voyage.

What's one of the other ones in that career? I'm going to be Buddy Holly. That's my new nickname. Buddy. Buddy. Maybe I'll call you Holly. Holly. Yeah.

That's nice. Okay, Dave. Who else was on that plane? Richie Valens. That was a young one. Can you be Richie? Richie Rich. He's Richie?

Holly over there Yeah And I'm the bopper All right Let's go fly somewhere Test the shit out Let's do it Anyway

Test this theory So all this while Curtis Our bad boy He's trying to sell His own planes And his own designs But the rights

Still thought That even with a different Design to their own He was still infringing On their patent The patent Because they just had a patent Does anyone say patent?

Yeah I watched a documentary And they kept saying patent Yeah that sounds It sounds too much too similar to pattern and I need to know what you're talking about.

A patent? Patent. Patent. But they're obsessed with this patent and everyone that, you know, they're trying to sue everyone pretty much. Curtis refused to pay license fees

to the rights and sold an aeroplane to the Aeronautic Society of New York in 1909. The rights immediately filed a lawsuit beginning a years-long legal conflict. The rights filed lawsuits in France and Germany as well. Basically, anyone that wanted to fly,

they had legal proceedings brought against them by the rights. Kudas suggested that if someone jumped in the air and waved their arms, the rights would suit. What a bad boy! That's funny. That's funny. See, he's a bad boy, but he's funny. Got a bit of humour.

I like that. I like a funny bad boy. The Wright brothers just sound a little bit full on. Yeah, a bit wrong. Yeah, the more I read into the... No. Right? Right, yeah.

No, I don't. Wrong. Wrong. Yeah. What? Like the opposite of wrong. Right? Yeah, it would be right.

Huh? And their name's also right. It's different spelling, but they sound the same. Oh, right sounds like right. Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. Oh, I've never really thought about it like that. Right and right do sound, yeah, somewhat similar. And so then the joke there was that the rights sound a bit wrong.

No, I'm not quite getting it. Okay. I'm just going to cut you off there because this could be the next hour of the show otherwise. Okay, well, I'll explain it to Matt after the show, I think. Is that okay, Maddie? Yeah, sure. I think you're going to find you not making any sense, though, but okay. Okay, Dave, do go on.

The rights preoccupation... The point is right and wrong opposites. No, right and right. As the flying guy. I really thought I'd get there that time. Sorry, Dave, did you go on? The rights preoccupation with the illegal issue stifled... Right and wrong.

Yeah, there we go. There we go. Do you get it now? I'm not 100% sure. Dave is very bad at us. The rights preoccupation with the illegal issue stifled their work on new designs and by 1911, Wright's aeroplanes were considered inferior to those of European makers. Wilbur especially was constantly in and out of court over a two-year period.

Oh, shit. They were fighting so much that they sort of forgot about the planes. Yeah. On June 8th, 1911, Curtis received a US pilot's license number one from the Aero Club of America. Because the first batch of licences were issued in alphabetical order, Wilbur Wright, received license number five. What a slap in the face. Brutal. Nah, fair enough.

It's alphabetical. Alphabetical. But your enemy just got number one. But you were the first to fly. You were! Yeah, it sounds like they're not in it for the right reasons anymore, the rights. You know what I mean? I know what you mean.

I feel like, yeah, I feel like they've lost sight on what is right. Alphabetically, I'd get the first one. I was thinking about that the entire time. I didn't listen to anything you just said. I was going, A, B, C, D, W. P, Q, Ours. Or unless it's on first name, then DJ, yeah. God, you're good at the alphabet.

That was so fast. I've got to sing with a rhyme still. It's a little rhyme. In a way it is. I mean, some of them rhyme A, B, C, D, E, F, G A, T, J, K, N, or M, or B. That's true, it probably is a rhyme, I guess it is a rhyme.

Q, R S, T, U.S, T, U.S, W, U, X, Y, Z, or Z for Americans. That's why I think Z makes sense because it fits the rhyme, much better. I'm happy to change it to Z. So it does rhyme. Yeah, no, you're right. It is definitely a rhyme. I feel like a fucking idiot. Right?

Yes. You're flying, you're flying right now. Guys, we've got to get to this part of the story, and I don't want to bring the mood down too much. Uh-oh. Wilbur Wright fell ill on a trip to Boston in April 1912. Uh-oh. After being diagnosed with typhoid fever,

he died on May 30, 1912, at his family home in Dayton, aged 45. Pretty quick turnaround. He sort of became ill and then passed away about a month later. Orville blamed Curtis, for his big brother's death. Oh, my God. He thought the stress of the constant lawsuits and patent breaches wore his brother down.

If that's the case, then stop doing them. Just build the planes and enjoy the skies. Just enjoy the skies. Just enjoy the skies. It's too bad because I've heard Boston's really nice. So it's too bad that he died before he got there. Or he fell ill. But just when Orville was at his lowest moment,

in January 1914, a US court of appeals announced a landmark and to some surprise ruling the Wright brothers were declared pioneers in the practical art of flying and it ruled that for every plane made in America Orville would be able to charge his competitors at 20% royalty.

What? Even if they're not using his design. So pretty much he's got a monopoly on planes. Wow. Make a plane? 20% to the right man. 20%. That's big.

That's huge. But there is one man he refers to, refuses to give his license to. You guessed it. Old bad boy, Glenn Curtis. He will not even give him the license. So he can KB people too. Yeah.

Glenn Curtis was bankrupted by the brothers twice. Whoa. What a dog. He had heaps of innovations ready to go, but wasn't able to market them because of this patent. He wanted to, so he was the one who was going, I'll make the, let's work together at some point, right? Yeah, yeah, he was.

He wasn't, like, he wasn't being an. arson at all. He was trying to help them. You know, rising tide lifts all ships. You know what I mean? The tide is high. And we're moving on. Orville apparently felt vindicated by the court's decision and much to the frustration of his company's executives, he didn't push vigorously for further legal action to ensure a manufacturing monopoly that would keep going. He just thought, they said I was right. I'm happy. Wilbur had always been the driven one of the pair. In July 1914, World War I broke out and aviation was used in warfare for the first time, Germany over the war made nearly 50,000 advanced airplanes. However, aviation development in the US was so suppressed by the legal

proceedings of people constantly suing each other to such an extent that when the US entered World War I a few years later, no acceptable American-designed planes were available, and US forces were compelled to use French machines. Wow. So no one in America could make advanced airplanes. The rights had neglected their own designs for so long that they were now obsolete and useless in warfare. Wow.

Because they've got those cloth-covered wooden planes, but Americans have that red baron-style metal biplanes. Yeah, okay, yeah, sure. Sorry, the Germans have the, you know, those biplanes. So the right,

they would just get smashed if they went out there in the right flyer. The US entered the war in 1917 and the US government had to step in and resolve the patent dispute in order to get their people making airplanes again. The US government, as a result of your recommendation of a committee formed by Franklin D. Roosevelt, then Assistant Secretary of the Navy, pressured the industry to form a cross-licensing

organization called the Manufacturers Aircraft Association. Basically, all aircraft manufacturers were forced to join the association, and each member was required to pay a comparatively small blanket fee for each airplane manufactured and of that major part would go to Wright and Curtis companies. Okay. So instead of Wright getting 20% of everything now he gets

about 1% and Curtis gets about 1% so everyone gets an even share. Sure. Okay. Well, I mean that seems nicer but So for a small fee everyone can make planes and use everyone's designs because they just need to build something for the fucking war. That's what's going on. So basically

the Peyton War is finished. Curtis immediately began producing aeroplanes and his years of experimentation and innovation paid off because he suddenly sold 7,000 of his Curtis J-4s, nicknamed Jenys. I love that. I love that. Over night, he has, he had so many orders, he became the largest airplane manufacturer in America. Wow.

Overnight. This guy's been bankrupted twice, and now he's like, show me the money. So the world war really helped him. Big time. After the war, his business continued to prosper, though, and by 1920 when he decided to retire, he had made $32 million. Wow. That was a lot of money back then. Just equivalent of over $300 million by today's standards.

Oh, my God. So he's been bankrupt, not very rich, and that's just his personal wealth. Holy shit. That's amazing. And then he retired to Florida, and he was still the director of the company, but he didn't really do much anymore. He just lived it up. That's the way to do it. He would have retired relatively young then.

Because he was younger, it was seven years younger than... He would have been in his 40s. Yeah. Oh, nice. Silver Fox? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. With salt and pepper.

Yes. $300 million cash. Mr. Sheffield. He was rich. I love that he comes up every episode now. Mr. Champion. The patent sharing arrangement was only designed to last for the duration of the war, but in 1918,

the litigation was never renewed. Orville, who cared little for the business side of their work, sold his rights in the company in 1915. So he bailed. Wow. Couldn't be bothered anymore. He made his last flight as a pilot in 1918 and spent the last three decades of his life

serving on boards and committees relating to aeronautics. Wow. He cut off communication with his sister Catherine when she married in 1926. Curtis. Oh, no, that'd be so good. No, it's not that bad. It's not that bad, but it's bad.

Neither awful nor Wilbur ever married. He was greatly upset by his sister's choice to marry, even though she was 52 when I've been single this whole time. She got married at 52. Give her a break. Wait, so it wasn't, he was just angry she got married at all? Yeah, everything I read about it said that he was just annoyed at it. And I was thinking, maybe it was because the husband had been married before

and he was widowed. Maybe that's why, but I think what I was, the way I was reading it, he just felt betrayed that she. So he was into his sister I know he's into her But he's just like You know they're always a family He wanted her for her for himself

No Isn't that how you're reading that? No He cut her off because she married someone I'm reading it as a jealousy thing But not that he wants to What's he jealous of? Like companionship

Because he's Yeah His best friend His brother's died And then he's He's other best friends His sister And then she leaves

He's been replaced now She doesn't She won't care about him anymore But it is weird It's super fucking weird Weird A few years later though In 1929

So he cut off all communication to her But then she got very sick And initially he said he wouldn't see her But in 1929 He had to be persuaded to visit Catherine on her deathbed And was there when she died What a fuck What a piece of, I don't like the right brothers at all

No they're not coming off that great are they? Kind of dicks I'm in the Curtis camp Camp Curtis Camp Curtis Bigger big time Hello mother Hello father

Who says me at Camp Curtis Worth it So worth it. In April 1944, the second production Lockheed Constellation piloted by Howard Hughes,

who were talking about earlier. He flew from Burbank, California to Washington, D.C. in just under seven hours, which is a record at the time. On the return trip, the airliner stopped at Wright Field to give Orville Wright

his last aeroplane flight more than 40 years after his first historic flight. So it's just a sign of respect type thing. because he's quite old by then. Apparently, he may have even been briefly handed the controls. He commented that the wingspan of the constellation was longer than the distance of his first flight. Wow.

Orville died on... That was so nice. Oh, wow. Wow. So genuine. He had a quip. It was like you say, wow, like you believed that the wingspan was. It was, wait, it was.

Very good. I'm having a real good time. So all I wanted to do there was to say Jess was being a dumbass and then realise that I was being a dumb ass. That's all I wanted to do. And I think I've achieved that. Did I? You can retire happy.

Orville died on January 30, 1948, over 35 years after his brother following his second heart attack. He had lived from the horse and buggy age. right through to the dawn of supersonic flight. He was buried next to his brother. John Daniels, the Coast Guard, who took the famous first flight photo, that first ever photo of him flying,

died the next day. Oh, wow. Now I just feel self-conscious every time I say, wow. But genuinely, well. Oh, wow. In the final post-script. Oh, wow. The final post-script,

maybe possible fun fact of the story. In a weird coming together of old enemies, the Wright aeronautical corporations to the rights business, a successor to the original Wright Company, ultimately merged with the Curtis Airplane and Motor Company. As it should have... ...on July 5th, 1929, forming the Curtis Wright Company

shortly before Glenn Curtis's death of appendicitis in 1930. It should have been that way from the beginning. It should have been. They finally came together. And Curtis Wright is still a hugely successful multi-billion dollar company with over 10,000 employees worldwide. Really? I had no idea. What do they do? Make bucks?

No, it's mainly mechanical parts now. Hmm. But that is the story of the Wright brothers and Glenn Curtis. What a, what a tale. A tale as old as time itself. Really? Oh, wow. Wow.

I just thought that was a cute thing that he said. It is a nice thing. I'm with you. It's real cute. I'm jerks. Sorry. I feel like I knew nothing about the Wright brothers. Yeah, I knew nothing. Nothing about it. I thought that might have been good people.

I had a feeling they were from New Zealand. No. And I... Wow, you really knew less than I did. Yeah. So there had no connection to New Zealand at all. Not that I came across. Did New Zealand have anything to do with early flight?

Not that you came across. No what I'm thinking about. I'm thinking about that flightless bird, probably. The Kiwi? The Kiwi. Yeah. New Zealand has a bird that can't fly. The Wright brothers must have been from New Zealand.

That was my connection. I thought those were like yin and yang and they cancelled each other out. You know what I mean? I know what you mean. I don't think I know what he means. Thank you to everyone who suggested the Wright Brothers as a topic. We may have missed some other people, so if you did suggest it, thank you very much. We always appreciate when you guys give us cool topics to report on, which a lot of people are.

And we also like to thank everyone that helps support the show via Patreon. Patreon.com slash do go on pod. And a very specific shout out to three people now. I would like to thank. A hero amongst men. Wow. And animals. Okay.

What? Dr. Doolittle himself. What? All the way from NYC, New York City, you know, the Big Apple, aka the home of Jake Sullivan. I'm flying here. I'm flying, Jake. You're flying Jake. I'm Jake in here.

I'm Jake and Jake. Jake, Jake, Jake, and Jake. Jake, have we said your name enough? Every word becomes Jake now. Thank you to Jake. Thanks so much for supporting the show. All the way, it still blows my mind that people across the world to support the show. Thank you, Jake Sullivan.

Well, speaking of people across the world, I would like to thank a friend of ours from Seattle. Oh, first place of grunge. And from one side of the country to the other. Rest and peace, Chris Cornell. I know you want my grief to be over, but... Oh, I don't want your grief to be over. I want you to stop interrupting my sentence, but I'm trying to think. Same difference, Jess.

I'm not trying to thank one of our listeners and friends. Do you think he's listening to it on the top of the space needle right now? Do you reckon he's watching it from listening to it from Fraser's house? Yeah, definitely. Maybe I hear them. Anyway, that's this favourite song of our good friend, Alex Wu. Which is a fantastic name. Alex Wu.

That is a sweet man. Alex has wooed me. Oh, great. Are you moving to Seattle? Where to be wed, yes. What's he moving here? He's moving here. Oh.

He's taking my name. The ultimate sacrifice. No, we're hyphenating. Wu Perkins. Wukens. We're going to just make a lot. We're going to combine. That is not how a hyphen works, but I think it's even better.

Okay. I changed my mind. We're going to create our own hybrid. No, but I do like the name. Which is quite progressive. Wu-Kins. Wukens. Yeah, Wukens is nice.

That's cute, isn't it? Alex and Jess Wukens. So that's nice. Well, surely you'd happen, wouldn't you merge both names? So you just become one. one person. Is that what marriage is all about? Aless Wukens.

What about Pookins? No. Poo hyphen kins. I won't have it. Okay, Alex. Ball's in your court. Yeah, persuade your wife. To be.

And I'd love to thank, a little closer to home, from Shepardon, Victoria. Shep. The land, who's from Sheperton? We've got Briggs. She's trying to rapper Briggs. Oh, yeah. Brick, okay, yep.

I've done a gig there. Shepp Life. So that counts. It's a cool town anyway. This guy, I know what... I'm relevant. I'm cool. I know what towns are.

I think we do tend to attract awesomely named people. And this is up there with at least the two you've just said, probably better than those, to be honest. Wow,es. Okay, a little fantastic... Nice try. On the behalf of Jake Sullivan, I'm a bit upset.

I think it might be my favorite name ever. A lot of hype. Jonti O'Neill. How good is that? Sorry Jake and Alex but that is awesome. Jontie. Jontie O'Neill.

Jontie O'Neill. That's a great, that would be a good pub name. Oh, I'm going to meet you at the Jonti. Hold the beer. I mean, hold the food. Shit. You can hold the beer,

but when I get there, you're going to have to pass it to me. So I can drink it. It's going to be warm. No, I imagine us holding a beer and Dave just lapping out like a cat. And that's...

But how do I get the bottom bit? It makes no sense. pushing his face into it. He just drinks the tops of beers. He's a real head man. Love's head. I've had 30 pints. And I've only had about 50 mil of drink.

Fuck alcohol is expensive, isn't it, guys? I love shot glasses, though. You can get right to the bottom of them. Get my tongue in there. Have a slurp. He's very good at lick, lick sip suck. Lick sip suck. Is that a lot?

it? Yes. Good. People don't do that much anymore. This was a real popular thing back in the day. What in the 70s? When I was a boy? Yeah.

1870s. When I was a boy? Was it you lick the kerosene? Lick the battery. Sip the... Sip the... Asbestos. I'm trying to think of other outdated things

that people don't use anymore because they're unsafe. And then suck. It's like the penny farthing time. And we're out. Oh, we made it. Thank you so much to everyone that does support us through Patreon. It's really taken a kick lately, and we are well in sight of the goal of Jess and Matt getting a tattoo.

Remember, if Matt wins, you get to vote who gets the tattoo, and then if Matt wins, you get to vote what he gets tattooed on him. Yeah. The goal I'm still excited about is our first international tour, which is obviously ages away, but still we get. We get there. We're getting there. Every day we're a little bit closer. If we go, can we go to Washington, D.C., to the Smithsonian so we can see the Wright Brothers plane? I reckon we're going to map it out so we go through everywhere. We can try and see all these things.

We've got to go to Dayton, Ohio. Oh my God. We've got to go to the Space Needle. You know, we've talked about a lot of things. We've probably covered about 20 states. And by the time that that goal was reached, it will be another couple of years away, probably. My dream is to see Mount Rushmore. Man, I want to see that. Yeah, all right Well, now we've mentioned it

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You got that. You got a case of the beginners being shit. Beginners fucked it. Nice. I thought it went quite well. It was great, David. Oh, look. You're beautiful.

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