Do Go On - 87 - Ken McElroy: 'The Town Bully'

Episode Date: June 21, 2017

Do you have a secret? The town of Skidmore, Missouri does and it centres around their town bully, Ken McElroy. A story of violence and intimidation in a small town.Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPod Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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And welcome to another episode of DoGo On. My name is Dave Warnocky and I'm here with Matt Stewart and Jess Perkins. Team, how are you doing? Team, doing pretty well, thank you. Yeah, I'm going pretty... No, Matt, you have to start the sentence for team. Okay. Team.

You can speak normally after that. Right. It's kind of like when you're speaking to a walkie-talkie. you have to say over. Okay. At the end. But now you have to say team and start. And then over at the end.

Please, over. Fuck. Team. Going well. I forgot the question. Is that... Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, this is no good. This is no good. Over. What have I done? What have you done? Sorry. But it is great to be back. Have we broken the course and the curse?

Have we passed the course and broken the curse? Yes. The Pharaoh's curse. Yeah. Already? Already. It's been nearly, what, a year and a half since... Already!

Yeah, doesn't it fly? It's a long time since we were cursed by the Pharaoh. Time flies when you're cursed. It does. One of the many curses. Yeah, one of the elements. You don't get to enjoy life. Yeah, because you're cursed.

I'm real good. I don't know about you, but I'm really full of the Indian delight that we just ate. Geez, we've got it down to a fine art here. Haven't we? Comfortables. Yeah. in a sauce of some sort. A medium, not mild.

We went medium because we're pretty... Not spicy at all. Medium. Yeah, I reckon we can go turn it up a notch. I reckon the other one was spicy. Yeah, it was mild. It keeps happening, doesn't it? Yeah.

Anyway, this is fascinating for the listeners. We ate, we shared an Indian meal before we recorded. We shared more than that. I had a garlic noun. What else did we share? Love. And samosis. Sorry, that's what I was thinking.

Go on. I get those too confused all the time. I so much are you. Dad. Oh no. That's so aggressive. Why are you telling your dad you love him so aggressively? I love you, father.

Then he throws us a mercy in his face. Eat up, Dad. Oh, eat up. That's so threatening. Sorry. No, never apologise. You're a threatening presence, Dave. I've always said that again.

I think anything you say would feel threatening to your dad. Agreed. Now, man, have you been up all night? Because how you... You're looking at Jess when you're up. I'm asking me that. Now, Jess, have you been... I'm looking at.

I just wanted to have a sweet segue until you've been up all night uploading YouTube videos to our YouTube channel, which we launched a couple of weeks, a few weeks back. Yeah, a little while back now. I've been putting up one a day.

And there's a few listeners who are going on there in most occasions writing Poo Go On or Saints by 30. Saints by 30 is on every video. I love it. Poo go on. And then someone,

and the next few, video they wrote, like the first one I said Puga One. And then episode two was like, Puga One in brackets, I said I'd do this. It's their life's quest. Do you know what's great? It pops up on like the web series that I did a couple of years ago as well. Like especially on your episode, Dave. And your episode, Matt, people will write like, do go on or like Puggo on.

That's funny. It's very cute. That's our first day with Jess. I'm like, yes, we do know each other. Yes, we do. People also are doing hashtag pray for Bob. Yeah, that's good because I need it. Angus is saying Science Sports 30

Landau's saying Pugo on I love you Lando And Matthew is saying Hashtag Piper Bob That's nice My favourite part about the whole YouTube channel Is the bit of the YouTube saga In that we now have a YouTube channel

And for ages people kept saying Why have you taken down to YouTube channel Just to get the record straight We never had a YouTube channel There was a pirate YouTube channel With a very homemade logo Which I enjoyed As opposed to

You enjoyed it Because it was just pictures of you It was They got a picture of me at Google Images and then written do go on next to it and I was like, this is how the show should be promoted. But it's also funny that you're making fun of it for being homemade.

Where did our one get made? Where did our official logo get made? In a professional studio. Yes, thank you. God. Oh. Yeah. Ours is very homemade.

We are getting a pro to get updated to make Dave's shoddy work. Take it up to scratch. Yeah. And beyond. We are so sorry for the shoddy work. All right, would you like to do everything? No, thank you.

Those dozens of images on our YouTube channel that I made them all. I like those. I do not know how to do that. Yeah, those ones are great. I'll take it all back. Thank you. Thank you. But anyway, if you want to get involved, we are on YouTube now.

You can subscribe to our channel. We're also going to be putting up other videos and stuff, you know, throughout the rest of the year. Maybe. Maybe. No promises. No promises. Please don't hold me to that. You should get on there and subscribe.

That would be cool. We are closing in on the subscribers that the pirate YouTube channel had. We would like to overtake them. I like it. Yeah, pirate. I'm sure it was just some lovely fan. I don't think it was. I actually think a bot put it together somehow.

Somehow there's a bot trawling the internet for pods. I can't be true. I'm turning them into YouTube. Yeah, probably just scrolling. And ads and stuff. Yeah. Because they were putting in their videos. They were throwing ads every five minutes or something.

There was a lot of red lines. A lot of ads. Interesting. We wouldn't do that. This week's episode is brought to you. Our YouTube channel. Check it out. Hey, let's get into the show.

All right, Matt, your turn to report? Yes, it is. And you know how I always ask the best questions? That's true. That's probably your claim to fame, which I enjoy. So the question this week is maybe the best one I've ever asked. And it's pretty vague. And it's unlikely that your answer is going to be.

the topic. Great. I'd almost guarantee that it won't be, unless there's been a real, you know, a real weird quirk of fate. But here's the question. What is the biggest secret you've ever kept? Oh, God.

My real identity. I am secretly Spanish tennis superstar Juan Carlos Ferreiro. Oh, great name. Why do you go by? Do you, did you have that ready to go? Do you look like him? Is that just you starting ascendance and seeing where it went? I was.

I was a secret for a while with my first boyfriend. Oh, ashamed of you. There's a difference between a secret and a secret shame. Yeah, I was a secret shame. Was he cheating on someone with you? No. Oh, okay. Because he didn't tell his parents for a year.

He didn't tell his parents. That's a long time. He didn't tell his parents he was cheating on someone with you for a whole year. For a whole year. They didn't have to tell them. So for a whole year. Yeah. I just remember that then.

I mean, it's funny, but it's also like, oh. What was the problem? Well, the problem was me. But is it because he couldn't have any boyfriend or because of you? No, no, no, it wasn't. Was he like a acidic Jew or something and you weren't of the right? Was he an acidic dude? Is that not a thing?

I said he acidic. Yeah, no. Is that a thing? It does sound a little bit like he said acidic. Well, maybe I did. He's going to work at his pH level. It's all over. The shop.

He's so acidic. He's got acid reflux all the time. Real acerbic Jew. So acidic. Was it a religion? No. No, no, no, no. I think it was just, uh, I don't know.

I really don't know. Were you young? Were you quite young? Yeah, yeah, yeah, high school. Oh, so 17. Well, probably 18 to 19. And he couldn't tell his parents. No, I don't think he couldn't.

It was that he chose not to. All right, that's even worse. They were very nice once they knew I existed. Did you ever bring it up? Yeah. Did he seem to like you dated? day? Well, yeah, he stayed with me for a further five years after that. Did you ever stay over? So, no, God no. Because that would be amazing. This is my sister.

Okay. I think we would know. This is my sister. He said that to his parents. I get what that's funny. Anyway, this. I get why that's funny. One time when I was in a band, when I was 14 and we were at a recording studio for one day to record something, I was in the John, or the toilet. He says that like, or as you idiots like to call it? Let me translate. The bathroom. I knocked a, they had extra toilet rolls sitting on top of the toilet. And I knocked one into the bowl.

And I didn't know what to do. So I hit it behind the system, behind the, behind the toilet. Oh, good one. Behind the toilet. And I ran out. And I haven't told anyone since. Let it dry out. And then they can use it.

Yeah, even though it would have been in my pissy bowl. All right, mate. You wanted my convention. Now you look at me like you don't. No, I didn't. If anyone wants to know what regret face sounds like, this is it. Matt, can you tell us your biggest secret? No.

Okay. Certainly not. Interesting. Certainly not. Because I keep mine. I'm no good. Unlike you bloody loose lips over here. In my defence, I was the secret in mine.

So I kind of kept me, didn't I? My secret is that if I really want something and I picture it, I just get it. No, that's the secret. Sorry. So this week's episode is sort of about a secret That builds up to that But I just for a little bit of sizzle on that I was going to read out the opening paragraph

From a Washington Post article about this story Which really got me hooked into it very quickly I should say this was suggested by listener Josh at Josh Jones 87 on Twitter He suggested a few I think this might be the first one that's got through On your Josh Spam that hat

We just said the same thing. Oh my goodness. What are the odds? With somebody that you spend so much time with that we would possibly think the same thing. But do you really know me? I think I know. After the way I treated that boy in high school. Do you reckon we are the people that you spend the most time with aside from your girlfriend who you live with?

And your work, mate. Oh, good one. Fuck, my way. Yeah, I'm at work 47 hours a week. Yeah, that's probably a lot. But socially. Is Peter Hellier number two after you? Would he be second in charge?

if your girlfriend left your house? Yeah, would you? Yeah, I trust Pete. He's a great guy. Okay, so this is the opening paragraph from, it's a very short paragraph really, but it's from this Washington Post article I quite enjoyed. I read a bunch of articles I quite enjoyed,

because this is a real fascinating story. Anyway, here it goes. Small towns are reputed to be close, almost like family. Residents stick together. They have your back. They protect you. They keep your secrets.

Oh, yeah. This is fucking cool. And I'm jealous of the listener because they've seen what this episode's called. The episode is called. Well, I don't know what the episode is going to be called. I'll probably ask you guys what it should be called. But that is a cool, cool, that would suck me in too. But the episode is about, or the suggestion was, just two words, the name of this man, Ken McElroy.

Mackleroy? He's already stuffed it. Have I built up enough suspense and tensile? It's the secret that you've been mispronouncing his name the whole time? Yeah, it's written in this report a lot. If you guys... It's McElroy. Have you heard of Ken McElroy?

I haven't. Ken Rex McElroy was born on June the 1st, 1934, in Notaway County, Missouri in the United States of America. Oh. The old U.S. of A. America. I've read that he was the 15th child and a family of 16 but I've also read that he was one of 13 kids. Both too many kids.

You know how I feel about big families. Do they know what was causing it? That's my favorite joke of all time. I don't say that. Dad'll hear that and go, it's so bloody. It was a John joke. It's a John Jake.

That's great. Do I know what's causing it? I love it. I love it. I love it. You're funny? That's where your daughter gets it. Ken's parents were farmers named Tony and Mabel

Great name Tony's pretty good You don't get enough maples But Tony was the one who I was a secret for His name was Tony You named and shamed Yeah fuck it But Mabel, good name

Tony's also the one who's been causing it But they don't know what it is I took me a sec But now I get it Sex Yeah With Mabel The best kind

He grew up in Skidmore in the northwest of Missouri, about 100 miles from Kansas City. I'd nickname the town Skidmark. Skidmark. Oh. Skidmore is a really small town. It's got a population that has steadily shrunk from around 500 at the 1940 census to an estimated 272 around in 2015 a couple of years ago.

The rest of them got flushed. It was a skid park. I don't know what I'm talking about. Oh, man. I thought you were talking about cars. Oh. You were like, what could that possibly have to do with cars? I'm confused by both of you.

I'm sorry, I'll stop contributing. He dropped out of school in year 8 at the age of 15, and over the following decades, he established a reputation in the town as a real bad guy. being accused of burglary of things like booze, grain, petrol and livestock. The cattle rustler. That's stealing quite a bit of a real variety of... Apparently, it's also a bit of a raccoon hunter.

Sure. Is that legal? I think that one might be fine. I don't think that was on his rap sheet. That was just on his list of hobbies. Yeah, I think that's how he made some of his money. He also enjoyed NFL. To be honest, there's been, like, across all the reports, there were inconsistencies throughout,

but there were things that sort of flowed through them all. So I've tried to keep it all together. I think the story is relatively level, but we'll let me go on. He was reportedly always basically unemployed, yet never short a cash. He used to carry around wads of cash. Is that because he's a criminal?

He's getting out of him from wrestling? Yeah, there was one wag who said, when someone was wags, that's what people say sometimes when someone says a funny quip. They're a wag. Oh, what a wag. And it's an old person term.

Right. That's why I said it, yeah. But someone had said that he was talking about some of the jobs he had. He used to sell antiques and stuff. And someone goes, yeah, but who's antiques? Oh, geez. What a wag. Dave, jump in.

Antiques. That's like. person's her name. Dave's a bit of a wag. Oh, it's a feature. Can we all do that any time one of us makes a joke now for the rest of the episode? That will not get boring to the listeners at all.

Very good. Look, I'm voting no. Okay, interesting. This is a democracy, so I respect that. It wasn't like he escaped the attention of the authorities, though. On 21 occasions, charges were brought upon him, but on every occasion, he established. escaped conviction.

21 times. Blackjack. Yeah. All right. You know the rules. 21 times off. You can't get me for anything. Basically anyway.

What do you mean? That's not a rule. That's all right. I'm just remembering you guys like, how are your short reports always so long? It's because I think you guys quip after every sentence and sometimes mid-sentence, which is fine. I enjoy it.

But I'm just... Can I just stop you there too? Do a quip. Yes. Can I just quip you there? I'll quip you right there, so. So I said 21, but, yeah, on the 21st occasion was a little bit different, and I'll talk about that later. His attorney, Richard McFadden, later said that he defended Ken Rex from about three or four felony convictions a year.

Oh, so he's keeping him in work, practically. Is he just following Ken around? I think, yeah. He's like picking up cases. He's from one of the bigger towns in the state, but, you know, he's from one of the bigger towns in the state, Yeah, I think he must just come down. He's on retainer. Ken, how are you?

Yep, what are you got for me? Yeah, what are we doing? Give me a water cash. Oh, you've had a haircut. He's also, yeah, apparently he bragged about how he's also defended members of the mob as well. Let's go. So he got bad people off. I mean, I'm being a bit judge there.

I don't know if the mob are necessarily bad people. He got bad people off, did he? Everyone's got their price. That is a... That's classic wag. What a quip. What a quip. What a whip.

His lawyer was obviously very good at getting criminals off. But that wasn't the only reason McElroy escaped conviction on serious charges every year. He became known as the town bully. That was his nickname. The town bully. What a nickname? My town bully, what do you haven't? Fine, we'll get it for you.

Maybe he became, it might have become known as that. Yeah, it would be weird if people were calling it. TB. TB, what up? Damn bully. But he got that nickname as he would intimidate any townspeople who stood up to him or disagree with him. And this included people who were set to testify against him in court. Now, he wasn't afraid to resort to violence either or threats of violence.

I wonder how he would intimidate. Like maybe he would just put on a sheet and stand at their door and go, woo. He was a huge guy, big tall guy, big musly guy. Okay, so more like, big bushy. Yeah, woo. Burr. Burr.

Burr. One of the ways, apparently that he often did it, apart from, you know, going, hey, check out my gun. He, he... Check out my gun. I'm not testifying. He would also follow witnesses and accusers around, park outside their homes. and just watch them. Good.

That is intimidating. It's actually really fucking scary. It feels like it should be illegal. Aren't people, shouldn't they stop him from this? Yeah, well, this is the main thing. He's just, it seems like the cops hassled him a lot. And they, like he charges were brought against him, but he kept getting off. He never was put away, but he was spent a lot of time in the legal system.

In 1976 when McElroy was a cute, can you hear the slight pause every time before I say that? thinking about it. It's like every time I say Thames. McElroy. It's a great name, but geez, it looks like McElroy. No, it doesn't. McElroy. In 1976, when McElroy was accused of shooting local farmer Romaine Henry in the chest,

he was charged with assault with intent to kill. So apparently the story was that McElroy was on this guy, Henry's property. And Henry's going, mate, piss off. Get off my property. He goes, nah, and shot him. Fear enough. Look, to be honest, I'm kind of paraphrasing.

But it was basically it was. According to Henry, in the lead up to the trial, McCallroy parked outside Henry's home on more than 100 occasions. 100. This is according to Henry. I don't know. I don't know if I was... After shooting him 100 times, he parked at that front.

Yeah. Do you know what? Go on, you should drop these charges. It's really scary. Yeah. 100 times. But yeah. Like, this is Henry's word.

I don't know who he is and whether or not he's prone to hyperbole. Hyperbole. But did it work? Was he interrupted? Yeah, did you drop the charges? He didn't drop the charges. Legend. Henry was like, no, mate.

But in court, two raccoon hunters gave McCleroy an alibi. What? Testifying they were with McElroy. the day of the shooting. McElroy was acquitted. Are you serious? Yeah. So again, he wasn't able to intimidate Henry,

but maybe he was able to influence the raccoon hunters. God damn. When McElroy was in his late 30s, maybe I'll call him Ken Rex, because that's what he was sort of known as around town. Whatever's more comfortable for you? When Ken Rex was in his late 30s, he'd already fathered more than 10 children to multiple women.

And he was married to his third wife, Alice. Oh. Yeah, this bit's a bit. Fuck, sorry. Ten kids. Not that bit, this next bit. No. His test is already like, oh, no.

Oh, I forget, yeah, you don't like having a lot of kids. Even if it's in multiple families? No, that's, I don't, no, no, no. It's more that he's, yeah, just got all these different women. Put all of these different women in a very difficult situation. In different, yeah, just a big, intimidating guy. And it's just, I mean, without knowing the facts. Lucky third wife Alice.

Yeah, well. Okay, oh no. Oh, no. Alice does not fare well. No, Alice is... Okay. Okay. So at this time, he's married whose third wife Alice.

Alice, I've read, she can't even be sure if they were legally married or not. But anyway. She can't be sure. That's some wedding night. I don't even know if we got married yesterday. What? Anyway, at this time he met a 12-year-old girl named Trina McLeod. And within a couple of years, she was pregnant.

Oh, no. He then brought Trina to his house to live with him and Alice. Oh, he divorced. He divorced Alice to marry Trina. But they still live together. Apparently, this was because, as his wife, the court wouldn't be able to compel Trina to testify against him in the statutory rape case. Oh, God. But, like, can you marry a 14-year-old?

As she was underage, although he wasn't able to marry her without parental consent. So there are a few conflicting versions of what happened next, but many of them suggest that Ken Rex went to her parents' house while they were away, shot the family dog and burnt the house down. Oh shit. Whoa. Why? To get them to say yes. Some say that he did that after they'd,

uh, he'd sort of intimidated him and some of them said before to try and intimidate them into saying yes. Some said that he did that. They still refused and he threatened to burn down their new house. And that's what got them to, like there was a few different sort of stories. And a lot of them come back to like,

there's a lot of different articles about this. but they're quoting very few sources. So it's hard to know exactly what to trust. In a People magazine article, Trina angrily denied that Ken burnt down her stepfather's house saying it was an unfounded rumor. She said it was just faulty wiring. She's 14. She doesn't know what unfounded means.

Yeah, I mean, she's saying this years later. But at the time, who knows, you know, if he's keeping that from her. Like, I don't think she was there. Yeah. So it's just hard to know. Oh, man. I'm hoping that something really bad is going to happen to this dude. However...

Matt gave no clues then with his face. However, it did happen. She got consent from the parents and they were married. And charges against McElroy at that time for statutory rape and arson, amongst other things, didn't stick. That was some of those earlier charges that didn't result in... time or any conviction at all. In 1980, this is sort of where it starts hotting up a bit. This is kind of the key part of the story.

In 1980, at a grocery store in town, one of Ken Rex's daughters got in a fight with a worker at the shop named Evelyn Sumi. Did that make sense? Yeah. Okay, good. In 1980, at a grocery store in town, one of McElroy's daughters got caught up in an argument with a worker at the shop. Her name was Evelyn Sumi.

The argument was allegedly about McElroy's daughter trying to steal some candy, apparently. The store was owned by an elderly couple named Ernest and Lois Bowen Camp. Okay. Without knowing anything about them, I love them. Isn't you not having them sitting up the back of the store like in rocking chairs? Ernest and Lois. They are so cute. I reckon they do crosswords together every Sunday morning.

There is some sort of vibe about those. I reckon they're bloody adorable. They're just like a sweet old couple, you know? I just trust them. I reckon they're still in love after all this time, you know? Like he still makes her laugh and, you know? I know. Oh, God, I love them.

Sorry, Matt, do go on. No, that's, that's fine. I agree. I just want to be like Ernest and Lois. I mean, I can only... Apparently they were very well loved in the town. Ernest's nickname was Bo. Oh, I was going to call him Ernest.

But Bow's good. You're not going to love this next bit. Oh, no. After the incident, Ken Rex started stalking the Bowen Camp family. The stalking escalated into McElroy confronting Ernest Bo Bowen Camp, armed with a shotgun. And the confrontation ended with McElroy shooting the 7-year-old Bowen Camp in the neck. I mean, like I'd like to say that Ernest pulled through.

But I'm guessing he probably didn't. Bowen Camp lived. No. Yeah. A further eight minutes. Did he really? He did, he lived, yeah. Oh, I'm so happy.

This guy's not a great shot. He shot a dude in the chest. He lives. Shot in the neck? With a shotgun. Jesus. And McElroy was then charged with attempted murder. This was the 21st charge.

Oh. Lucky. And it went to trial where McElroy was convicted. Unlucky 21. Of the lesser charge of assault for some reason. Well, I mean, we'll take a win where we can. I'm like, I guess. Oh, I'm just so glad.

Bow's alive. Bo's alive. I've never been so immediately invested in a person in one of our stories. But I just wanted him to be okay. And then we got going to like this. And then he got shot. I was like, I don't know what the world is anymore. But he's okay.

He's probably dead now, though. Yeah, I think so. He was 70 in 1980. Yeah, he's probably dead. There's a possibility. Oh, I know, he could still be kicking. I guess, but, you know, he had a good inning, regardless, I reckon. Anyway, but this is similar to an episode we had like a month or so back when it was like, it was one of mine as well, I think, where some reason, so he's found guilty, basically, he's convicted.

But his lawyer filed an appeal and he was released on bail pending the appeal. No. I don't know. I let him out. I know. It seems so weird. It's like once you're being convicted, it feels like then... You've got to prove your innocence, pal.

We've proved you're guilty already. Yeah. Yeah, it feels a bit funny. Anyway, after being... But we'll let you out until you can prove your innocent. That makes no sense at all. Yeah, I don't... I don't quite get it.

And in this case... Yeah. It's like, especially with it's a guy who just shot someone in a shop. What, you're just releasing him back into the community? Mm. You found him guilty. He's convicted, as far as I understand. It almost makes it sound like, yeah, anyway, it's very confusing.

Very confusing. After being released, McElroy went to the D&G tavern. That was his local drinking hole. The D and G. D and G. The dogs and gods. Fuck, you nailed it in one. You don't.

The D and G. The. Yours and gargoyles. Not my best. Admittedly. You were so fast. You didn't even try again. Dogs and gods.

A different one. Dave and gods. The duck and goose? Fuck, he's good. That's adorable. Duck and goose is really good. I go to the duck and goose. I bet you that's a pub in England somewhere, right?

Okay. All right. Here we go good. The. David and Goliath Fuck! So good. You're so talented.

Okay, all right, I got it. I got it, I got it, I got it, I got it, I got it, I got it. Dolce and Gabana. There, the D&G! The... Have we done dog and gun? No, that's a good one. That's a real one.

I've been there in... Oh, I thought this one's going to be called. No, in England. Do you know what it's cool? I should really look that up. You should see it, though. It looks like a... shed.

No, I don't go on. I think you, just, by the end of the episode, maybe, maybe, I think we'll finish the episode with your, oh, that sounds great. We'll finish, we'll go out with that right at the end.

No. I think, I think that'll be a nice little bow. So Jess will be silent for the next 35 minutes. What do you think so? Yeah, dear, dear. But see, I mean, it's got to be,

they can't be rhyming, but they've got to go together, like duck and goose, David and Goulat. Don't take goodbye. These are all good lines. Okay, who's a famous person has letters, D&G. Okay, hang on.

Okay, um, no, I got to. Dama and Greg. Fuck! That's the best laugh ever heard Dave do. He really got into it. I loved her. Fuck, like, God damn it. She's so pissed off.

No, I'm not. I'm like, I'm in awe and mad at myself. Anyway, go on with the story. So he went drinking at the DNG. Yes. So this is his sort of regular. He'd often sit there. And I read that people who work there said he'd often be pretty quiet.

He was kind of not intimidating in quite loud. He'd be more likely to whisper at you and just stare at it. Like stare at his dead eyes. People called his eyes dead eyes a lot. Stared at you with his dead eyes and whispered. That's scary. So he's a whisperer, a quiet stareer. Does he have friends, do you reckon?

Does anyone like it or is people Are scared of him Yeah I mean he's from a big family But I think he gets on all right With his some of his kids Chose to live with him After they split with ex-partners

But You know There's not Dad just has Dad's house is more fun mum Dad has the guns You just try to make me eat vegetables Do my homework

Dad just shoots the vegetables Dad lets me shoot cans And sometimes other kids Anyway so is it the D&G Tavern, local... Having a couple of babies. And he was there armed with a rifle. And just the bar, drinking there with his gun.

Because he was. And allegedly he started mouthing off a bit about what he was going to do to punish Bo Ernie Bowen Camp. Uh-oh. That's the one Jess likes. For the part he played in his arrest, basically. And I think as far as I can tell, the only part he really played in the arrest was being shot in the neck. for getting in the way of my bullets. Yeah, which is...

What? Leave Ernie alone. I like him. His appeal, I think the lawyer was sort of using tactics to delay the appeal to sort of extend his freedom before the trial. That's how I read it anyway. So the lawyer was doing a lot of... What's that? Yeah.

What's that out there? Look! Court adjourned. Do it for a whole sitting day in the court. That's what they do. Have sitting days? I would love... to do this trial today, but I've forgotten my pen.

It's over there, look. He's been six hours going, look, look. No, look, Mr. We've, we looked. We're not going to look again. And he's like, no, this one, I'm serious. I swear. No, I'm serious. I'm going, I swear, I swear, I swear.

They look and he's like, go, five o'clock, got to go. Back to the D&G. On a summer's morning in 1981, McElroy had his appeal hearing delayed again, extending his freedom. In response, the townspeople were getting a bit, you know, anxious about it, feeling a bit antsy, maybe a little bit peeved even. They weren't sure that justice has been done over the last 21 attempts to put this guy away. Interesting, they may feel that way.

So in response to townspeople met at the Legion Hall. Oh, a town meeting about him. Yeah. Organised by the townsfolk. Townsfolk is also just a fun thing to say, isn't it? It is fun. Can't say that in Melbourne. Come along, townsfolk.

There's too many of us in a small town. Not even the MCG's going to hold us on. 300 and something people, then you can't. Townsfolk. And they keep talking about it like this town, because it's so small. It's really close. It's like a big family. Everyone knows each other.

Everyone is sort of looking out for each other. Probably all related. And this, but they just see this guy, he's just been a real, you know, real bad seed. So at the Legion Hall meeting, what they talked about is 100% clear now. But from what I heard, most of the saying that things were discussed about what they could do to keep the witnesses safe and also the townspeople safe from Ken Rex in general. That's insane, that he's that, like that scary and that they have to. That 30, 40, 50, how many people are meeting to talk about. Yeah.

It's really interesting. And apparently a local sheriff, the local county sheriff, Dan Estes, was there as well. It has said that Sheriff Estes instructed the meeting that they shouldn't get into a direct conflict with McElroy. So that's a bad idea. And he suggested they instead form a neighborhood watch. And then he left the meeting. Smart. While the meeting was occurring, McElroy,

rocked up to the nearby D&G Tavern again. So he's... He's always at the pub. He's sort of, he's had his court thing delayed. Case, if you will. I prefer a court thing. Yeah, okay, great. Your Honor, I'm here for that court thing.

Your Honor? Is that a Missouri? No, that was a terrible accent. Yeah, was that attempted an American accent of sorts? Yeah, I thought it was... What would... Yeah, I don't know what the Missouran accent would be. I don't know.

I think you rewind the podcast about 20 seconds. You hear an exact... Is there an accent? So the meeting was occurring. McElroy is rocked up to the D&G tavern again with his wife, Trina, now in her early 20s. And word of this came through to the people at the meeting. They heard that he was down there at the pub. So the townsfolk decided to disregard Sheriff Esther's advice.

Oh, dear. And they went to the bar as a group, basically filling the bar around him. sitting there about which i imagine would have been pretty intimidating for the guy used to being the intimidated guy intimidating guy um so he he finished up his drink and left left the bar with trainer he climbed back into his pickup truck and mackereloy turned the ignition of his truck and he went to grab a cigarette and in that moment gunshots rang out

Oh. So sitting in the truck outside the D&G tavern on the morning of July 10th, 981, Ken Rex McElroy was shot in the head. Instantly going from town bully to town dead guy sitting in his truck. Every town needs one. Yeah. And, you know, they had this. Trina later told People magazine, she said, I started a scream.

I said to Ken, they've got a gun. I think he kind of knew what was going to happen. He didn't show any fear. never said a word. This is a real interesting character. Wow. Then I read that some of the townspeople sort of took trainer out of the car. Afterwards. No ambulance was called.

There are no local cops, you know, the county, the county sheriff's office or whatever. So they just, you know, shot him and left, left him there. Wow. But the whole town meeting was around and then people in shops, like a lot of people saw it. According to a report by the McClatchy News Agency, At the scene, County Sheriff's deputies and highway patrol troopers found shell casings from a 22-caliber magnum

and an 8mm Mouser, which was a German World War I era long-range rifle. What? So two shooters. Two shooters. They said one shooter had been positioned behind McElroy's truck, another stood a half block down the street. Yeah, basically, half block down the street.

Really? So that's the long run trifle? And there may have been others. So they said that I think other, they thought that multiple shooters. Wow. Wow. This is amazing.

That's incredible. Different reports have suggested there were between 30 and 60 witnesses to the murder. But Trina was the only witness who said they saw who the shooter was. The rest of the town refused to talk. So this is the big secret. I like the idea of the sheriff. Guys, come on. Who did it?

Who did? Hey. Put your hand up. Okay. I know he was a paddy up. You won't be in trouble. Just who did it? You won't be in trouble.

I just want to know. I just want to know. Who did? Come on. People really wanted to find out because although some would say, you know, he had it coming or whatever. Many others say it's never okay to take the law in your own hands. Yeah. And you know what it's interesting as well?

So there was at least a couple of shooters, if not more. Yeah. Wouldn't you as the shooter? is also be thinking like, did I get him? Yeah. Well, that's the whole idea when you have someone who shot. Shooting squad. A shooting squad is that one of them has a blank in their gun.

So when you're all fire, you can all tell yourself, I wasn't the one who shot him. So there's 10 people with rifles. One of them has a fake bullet. Only one has a fake bullet. I've heard it was even more than it. It was only one. I thought it was one with live and the rest fake.

Well, that might be wrong. But if you only shoot, if only one person shoots and just gets their arm, they're nothing, you know what I mean? But like, if 10 people shoot you, right, likely to die very quickly. But also just the fact that 10 people are shooting also means... Yeah, also, but like, you can also like just have the peace of mind that maybe you weren't the one who killed that man.

And you do that every day and the odds... Yeah, exactly. Every day. Yeah, still just I keep, I think I keep getting the blanks. I get the blank every time. Every time. I'm shooting blanks. I'm shooting blanks.

What can I say? I do it at home. I do it at work. I'm shooting blanks. I'm so sad. I just want to kill people and make people pregnant. I can't give life, I can't take life. What's the point of it?

What's the point of it all? Nah, it's fun to laugh at firing squads, isn't it? Oh, you got to. You got to laugh. If you don't laugh at firing squads, you'll cry it. Crying squads. If you don't cry it, fire souls, you'll die. Oh, crying squads.

It's crying squads. Hurry, yay, hurry, yay. Cryer and good. Thank you. A few months earlier, David Baird was asked if he would be keen to be the new prosecuting attorney of Notaway County. I'm calling so many of the words in this. I'm pronouncing him differently every time. Not away, not away.

How do you spell his surname? B-A-I-R-D. Very good. B-A-R-D. Can I hear it in a sentence? So, yeah, so he would. apparently. He was asked if he'd be keen for that job, the prosecuting attorney of the county.

But he wasn't super keen. He was only 27, just a kid in many ways. He was single. He had the freedom to go anywhere in the world, basically, with his work. He just sort of got through law school. So he wasn't super keen to take the job. He didn't want to, you know, be locked down in a small town in Missouri near, basically where he grew up. He was sort of thing of exploring, I guess.

But his father persuaded him to take the job, basically. Santa, it'd be pretty cushy. He goes, nothing much happens around here anyway. Oh, no. It's the case of the century. Three months later, the murder of Ken Rex McElroy in Skidmore landed Baird in the middle of a case that shocked America, making headlines across the country. Soon after Baird made the statement, we feel confident that this ultimately will be resolved.

He was feeling good about it. I like to imagine him sitting at his desk, like listening to all the evidence and he's just got like a pros and cons. As people just say something in defense, he's like, oh, that's a good point. Yeah. And then they say something like, well, actually, Ron, he's like,

oh, very good point over here. To me, it's so funny that he was convinced by his dad going, it'll be real cushy, man. Yeah. Isn't that the whole reason he didn't want to do it? Because he wanted a challenge? It seems strange. You're single, you're young.

You do anything you want. You go and go get that. Take a cushy job in a tiny town. You're right, Dad. I'll do it. Yeah. He wasn't based in Skidmore. he was

yeah he was based in a slightly bigger town but still in a small maybe mary'sville

or something like that um soon after he convened the first grand jury notaway county had seen in 20 years so he landed

with a real bang there was a huge investigation the FBI conducted more than 100 interviews plus there was a coroner's inquiry

a local grand jury and a federal grand jury all of which failed to return any indictments, despite Trina McElroy fingering Del Clement, a part owner of the D&G tavern and a rancher. Del. Who she said was one of the shooters.

D and G. Oh, that's what it'll be. D, it'll be Dell and the G would be... Graham. Greg. Fuck. Graham. No, you're right.

Del and Greg. is much better. Dellen Greg. I'm still on Dharma and Greg, I think. So I was so distracted by you saying that she fingered someone. It's still funny every time. But what happened? She said that one of the owners of the D&G.

She saw him. She's the one she eyeballed and fingered. With Del Clement, part owner of the D&G. Gotcha. But despite that, despite having her as an eyewitness, no one else corroborated her story. Wow. So despite there being a coroner's jury,

a local grand jury and a federal grand jury, and over 100 interviews with the FBI still... No one cracked. No one cracked. Wow. That's awesome. That's actually incredible that nobody gave in. Out of that many people.

Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. So that's basically the story. I mean, what do you guys think? I've got a little bit to talk about... You'd think someone would cave. Yeah. You would really think somebody would give in. Do you think...

Where do you stand on that? I'm amazed, actually. Would you crack, do you think? Or would you be like... Because in a way, on the other side, the pressure's on you to stick together. Yeah, exactly. As soon as one cracks, then there'd be...

Yeah, you're right. You're right. If there was that many, if there was like four of you, I'd probably crack. And also, if you genuinely thought that this guy was making everyone's life hell. And he was?

Yeah, no, I reckon he deserved it. It's fucking tricky. But I mean, that... Oh, absolutely it is. Then I wonder what, you know, if he was alive to tell the tale, he probably would have said he was a misunderstood guy. I'm sure he would say that.

He sounds like a terrible guy. So Harry McLean wrote a bestselling book about this case, which I think helped bring it to a bigger audience. And when I asked about who actually pulled the trigger, McLean said, I personally believe it's a mistake to put too much emphasis on who pulled the trigger, suggesting that if it hadn't happened that day, it would have been someone else the next day.

Yeah. According to the Washington Post, McLean doesn't think the killing was a planned vigilante action on the part of the townspeople. He thinks two or three people got impulsive that day and that the town showed its loyalty by closing its ranks around them. McElroy was buried in Memorial Park Cemetery,

St. Joseph in Missouri. Missouri is a cool sounding state. In 1984, Trina filed a wrongful death lawsuit against the town, the county, Sheriff Estes, the mayor, and Del Clement for millions and millions of dollars. The case was, settled out of court without anyone admitting guilt for the relatively modest sum of $17,600.

That's not that much, is it? She wanted millions. Because you do feel bad for the kids. There's heaps of them, right? Yeah. There's heaps of kids also. Heaps of wives. Trina, like, who, yeah.

I mean, she was so young. I know. He basically took her out of school. Anyway, Trina remarried and is said to have lived a really happy family life before. dying of cancer on a 55th birthday in 2012. Wow. Richard Stratton, a retired Missouri Highway Patrol trooper, had several run-ins with McElroy and has said this of that fateful day.

Those were fathers and grandfathers on the street in Skidmore that day. Ordinary, hardworking people. They did what they did because we didn't do our job, we being the cops. Then they went home and kept their mouth shut and kept them close all these. these years. So he's basically saying, I get what they did it, because we, the police force or the, you know, the sheriff's department and the, um, highway patrol. The justice system didn't get the job done. Wow. BoCamp's wife, Lois said justice was done at the time. Lois. She was, she was, she was fine with it. Wow. But he wasn't murdered in the end, was he wasn't murdered. He wasn't murdered. He was, he was okay. He threatened to get him again, but did. And I thought, I'm just going to finish with this little quote from a New York Times article,

which was by the Cheryl Houston, who was, I think, Boe Camp's daughter, one of his daughters. She said, once the shroud of silence fell, there was going to be no one talking. And she actually watched the killing from her family's grocery store. Wow. But like everyone else, she said she didn't. She didn't see the gunman. They could have pushed and dug, pushed and dug and got nothing. We were so bitter and so angry at the law letting us down

that it came to somebody taking matters into their own hands, she said. No one has any idea what a nightmare we lived. Wow. Yeah, so it's a fascinating but super fuck story. Yeah, wow. I'd never heard of any of that. No, that is really fascinating. And it's still, they've still, they've still,

people have thought someone's going to talk on their death there. Eventually. They're going to either want to go, I did it or say I need to get this off my conscience but still no one has. No one feels that it weighs on their conscience

because it was such a piece of work. Yeah, they're probably, yeah, they're not thinking I'm not getting in heaven for this. Do you reckon? Or whatever makes people do that? Like surely the towns people would still talk about it amongst themselves quite? Yeah, quietly.

And do you think the person who did do it is maybe seen as a bit of a hero? Yeah, I wonder. And so, like, they walk into the grocery store and people just kind of, you know, give him a nod. Yeah, give him a nod. You know? I wonder. I wonder.

That's, yeah, that is fascinating. It sounds like the town's pretty much died out there. I feel like I'm almost on the town side. Oh, I 100% am. Okay, I felt like maybe I was a bad person. I know. I kind of feel like if it was, as we've sort of talked about it today, and he wasn't just a guy who was demonized. somehow.

Like, I'm sort of taking this at face value what I've read. But I'm always part of me as like, you know, history is always pretty dicey. It's written by the victors. Yeah. And I think that's, I'm taking it as a story. I'm thinking of it almost as a film. Like, in my head, it's all set like to kill a mockingbird. Like, that's how I'm picturing it.

I'm even picturing really old cars and stuff like that. Yeah. Well, there was a TV film made about it called In Broaddome. like because that's when the murder happened. I mean that's the fact, it was like mid-late morning. Yeah.

Sunshining. Heaps of people standing around watching. So to me it's just a story or just like a movie. So I'm, you kind of like, yeah, you side with the town. But if I was the journalist covering this, I would be covering, I would be thinking about it very differently to how I am as a complete outsider, just hearing it as a story.

It really sounds like the author kind of, I think he, the author of the author of the book, book who probably is looked into it the most. He seems to be pretty comfortable, I think, with what the town did. Yeah. But I guess you'd also, I think it'd be hard because you'd be in there talking to the townspeople hearing them tell you how fucked it was. Yeah.

So you're possibly just going to, you know, get even more. And there's that group mentality where nobody's going to be like, you know what? He wasn't that bad. I feel for the guy. You're not going to get that. Everybody would be like, yep, it was the right thing. I don't know. But that's amazing.

I mean, Trina definitely did and say that he wasn't the monster that they made him out to be. Yeah, and maybe he wasn't. I don't know. I think it's pretty amazing that people come together like that, though. So to think of it that way, for all of those people to keep their mouth shut this whole time, I think maybe he was the bad person that, you know, because if he was maybe not that bad, then there'd be a portion of the community who would go, oh, that didn't seem right.

Plus, I don't think there's any doubt that he impregnated a teenager. Yeah. And he still shot people. He shot people. It sounds like for very little reason. Yeah, so he wasn't a good person. No, he's definitely, yeah, I think he definitely was a real bad guy. Yeah.

It reminds me of this, um, uh, Hercule Paro, I get the Christie's story. Fucking hell. Death on the Nile. I wouldn't say which one it is because they want to ruin it for people that they've ever watched the show, I read the book. They're watching along going,

all right, I mean, Dave was talking about some very specific things and they're happening in this episode, but maybe that was also in another episode. Because he didn't name it. It just turns out that this guy gets stabbed, a lot of stab wounds, and it turns out that everyone did it.

And they all did together, and they all, because he was this really bad guy. He'd done something to a kid, like child kidnapping or something, and they all lined up and one after another just stabbed him. Oh, what? So they all shared it.

And then when he was interviewing everyone, like everyone's so tight-lipped because they all did it. And like that faring squad thing, no one knows who the actual final one was. Because he's probably dead by the last few ones. So you don't know.

Yeah. Fuck, so she was amazing, though. Is that a good story? Such a good one. Yeah. Oh, man, I love it. Okay, mate. But yeah, it just reminds me of that.

You know, when you're, practically, it's not even, it doesn't really matter who shot him. They're all kind of in on it. Yeah. A great story. Yeah, that's amazing. Really, really thought that was great.

Yes, so thank you so much, Josh, for that sweet suggestion. Really appreciate it. Let us know who side you're on. That would be cool, wouldn't it? If people want to tweet in. Do you think that's kind of cool? I'm 100% on the town side. Jess seems like she's pretty much.

Matt's a bit. in the grave. No, I think, I'm definitely, I definitely feel like if there's a guy, I feel like I probably would have been in that headspace as well. Yeah, I don't know. I just also, you're like, you kind of, for our society to work, we need to trust the law on some level, right? Yeah.

Or do we? Revolution. We talk a revolution. Yeah, we're talking revolution. All right, I'm in. Okay, great. Doesn't take a lot to talk me around, but. Just drop that R word.

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Well, if you want to keep your water at an optimum temperature, you're going to need a thermometer. And I don't like to keep my thermometer with the Celsius. I like to go Fahrenheit. Kevin Farronheit. Oh, my God, he's good. Kevin Farron! I didn't know how he was going to do it, and he did.

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We're going to do them. One by one, form a line. Dave, no. Oh, consensual? Oh, Dave, stop talking. How did the word consensual make that worse? I just don't know. I mean, they're forming a line.

Surely consent was... Yeah, good call. They don't have to. But still, okay, well, then not Dave. but everyone else, what are you doing? Why are you lining up for this? You dirty sickos. Nah, they're not sick.

They're just given into nature. Look, I don't know how we got here, but we are, and we have to leave now. So thank you so much for listening to this episode. We do appreciate all your correspondence and topic ideas, because, for example, we would never have heard, I doubt we would have ever come across that story if it hadn't been suggested. Yeah. So if you know something that's from your local area,

if you're from a different country to us and you know a story. We have a lot of listeners like in Sweden and stuff. Is there any cool local stories we could do about your area? Let us know. We do tend to hit up UK and American stories mainly. You love to you like overseas ones, like stuff in Asia. Overseas ones. Yeah, outside of America and the UK.

You know, but to them we are overseas. Uh-huh. That's how it works. It goes both ways. We are exotic to them. What? They think this accent is adorable. No, they don't.

That's why they're forming a line. Oh. All right, guys, thanks so much for listening. I will say, until next week. But before we go, Jess. Damn it! I was hoping you'd forget. D and G, what do you got?

The... See, the G I wanted to go for goats. And then I couldn't think of a D that went with that. And then just then, when Dave was saying that, I was groaning, I was like, the groan, something in groans. The... The... The... Fuck, I hate this game so much.

Dave, you've got another one, don't you? Dracula and Goblins Fuck you Dracula and Goblins That's pretty cool It's not bad It's pretty good All right

I'm going to leave a little bit of space here For the music And then after the music Jess will come back to yours A little secret bit of the end Anyway thanks so much For listening everybody Goodbye

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