Do Go On - 90 - The Valentich Disappearance

Episode Date: July 12, 2017

In 1978 young pilot Frederick Valentich set off for King Island, but he never arrived at his destination. What caused his disappearance? Was it Suicide? Did he fake it? Were aliens involved?? Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPodTwitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Melbourne and Canada, we've got exciting news for you. And we should also say this is 2026. Jess, what year is it? 2026. Thank God you're here. Right now, I'm in Melbourne doing my show with Serengy Amarna 630 each night at the Cooper's Inn Hotel, having so much fun. We'd love to see you there. Canada, we are visiting you in September this year.

If you've somehow missed the news, we are heading up Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal and Toronto for shows. That's going to be so much fun. Tickets for all this stuff, I believe, are online. And I'm here too. This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. And welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Warnocky and I'm here with Matt Stewart and Jess Perkins.

Hey, it's us from just moments ago. Now we're not advertisers though. Moments ago we were high-profile and advertised like in Mad Men. Now we're just your friends. Just like before. But now are your high profile friends? Just like madman. Yeah.

Is that right? I'm wearing a suit. Me too. I'm wearing an anti-microbial suit. I've got a cigar and a glass of brandy. I'm smoking an antimicrobial cigar. I've really taken this thing on board, guys. She's great.

You got to. I'll never smell again. Never going to smell again. Oh, smelly feet ain't got no rhythm. Am I right? You're not wrong. You're not wrong. How are you boys?

well? We're good, but guess who isn't good, Matt? I'll give you one guess. There's three of us here. One of us is sick. It's not me. It's not you. Guess who it is. Is it Dave? Oh, fuck. So close. She should have been wearing her antimicrobial suit. It is

hashtag pray for Bop in full effect again. Jess, you're sick. What are you doing? I don't know. And here's the thing too is that, like, for you guys, like pulling back the curtain, we haven't seen together for a couple weeks because Matt, our beautiful Matt Stewart, has been away touring, Queensland and New South Wales. Let me finish. Oh, I didn't know. I went, that's why I wasn't

here. No, I didn't know New South Wales I meant. Sorry, I thought it was just... I drove past so many Steve Irwin references. Too many. And he sent me pictures. I was like, I don't want to see that. Anyway, so Matt's been away for a couple of weeks touring and being an absolute rock star. So we haven't seen each other. So to you guys, I'm sick again. To the listener, I've just remained sick. Yeah, wow. I want to point out that I did get better at one point. For like six days, six working days. That was a hot streak. Yeah, that's pretty good. Well done. Thank you.

So yeah, I'm sick again. Didn't it good? All right. Well, Matt, how was the Queensland and New South Wales? It was a lot of fun. So much fun. It was a real good amount of fun. Do you meet any listeners out there on the road?

I don't think I did? No, I'm pretty sure I didn't. Probably got some new listeners, though, eh? Yeah, look, it was all I'd talked about. Yeah. Which is, what, for your 15, 20 minutes said every night you just talking about it. 20 minutes. I'd sort of open with five to six minutes of a bit of a plug.

And I said, all right, I'm going to do a couple of jokes now quickly. and I did very quickly for the next 23 seconds. And then I finished with a 14-minute wrap-up of what the podcast can do for you if you welcome it into your life. Great. Wow, standing ovation. Did you talk about us as well as individuals? Oh, yeah, no, people are going to be tuning in for the first time.

I'm going, oh, this is interesting. There are other people on there. He said it was just him being magnificent for an hour plus. A magnificent match. I didn't even let him know. know that we do a different topic each week or anything. What did you talk about? I said, look, it's just made chatting.

And that got, that got some ears pricked up. I bet. So far, they're loving it. But we're about to destroy their view of the podcast by asking you to do a report on something. I would listen to Matt Talk for an hour.

Yeah, look, I'm going to maybe do an offshoot pod where it's just me chatting off the top of my head. To yourself? Chat to myself. A little chat show. Not a lot of chat shows are just solo,

are they? interesting. I'm going to revamp the whole idea of chat. Great. People are going to start chatting, but not with others. I've just, I've just recapped what I'd already said. I imagine that you're just giving us a demo of what the show will actually sound like. This is most likely what it will be like. A lot of circles.

Lots of recapping. Yeah. So to recap. Anyway, as I was all I was saying. Matt, you're 30 seconds in. Well, that's all I was saying at the top. I've got a real good topic this week I'm excited

Have you been You've had a couple of weeks Obviously on tour Have you been writing on tour or I've been reading And also writing on tour yes So answer the question was yes Ah well no

To be honest I hadn't But I at first I was truthful Then I'm like nah Lie Sorry just a quick little recap And then again I was like

Can't lie Dancers no No I did reading though I did do reading Well we're excited for your report This topic gave me chill I'll tell you about that soon. Horror.

No, it was funny because there was just some of the early key bits of information were just like, oh, that's coincidental to my life. I'll talk to about them. So it's set in the 1800s. I've been alive since then. So anyway, the question this week, we always start with the question, which is how we get into the topic. This week's question is, what is Australia's greatest aviation mystery?

It's an Australian topic, which we don't do heaps of. Doug Barry Cooper. Doug Barry. O'y, Doug. That's a really Aussie name. Doug Barry Cooper. That's great. I'm paddock.

He's drinking at Coopers. He's loving it. Aviation. Aviation mystery. I wonder if you've heard of it. So I'm guessing you guys probably won't know this. Does this name mean anything to you? The Valentitch Disappearance.

Oh. No, but I love it. Is this a mystery episode? It is a mystery episode. Which people love and hate. Are you going to start the episode by talking in dot points like I do? Winter, 1936, a man approaches the beach. He dies.

He's wearing pants. The next day he's found. No pants. What happened to his pants? Find out next week on Do Go On. I started writing out a bit like that. Yeah, I went back into my... I wanted to do it like Dave.

Yeah, but nobody can do it like Dave. Oh, I'm putting that on a t-shirt. The thing is with the mystery episodes is I think they're frustrating when you get to the end and find out it's a mystery. I think it's slightly... If you know. Because then you're like, oh, cool, so I'm about to find out what happened. I'm intrigued. And then it's like, and they never sound.

We're like, no! But knowing at the start that it's a bit mysterious, that just makes me excited for a story. This was actually a topic suggested straight under the golden hat by Patreon supporter Zach Steinbacher. So he gets that by tipping heaping. keeps the cash into our account. For that, he gets the access to the golden hat, which is an exclusive club. Only 10 can be in there at any one time.

And they're in there all the time. They're in there all the time. They take advantage of it. They just live in there, live in the hat. Thanks, Zach. It's a real big hat. Yeah, so like I was saying, as I started researching, and I was like, it was late at night.

I was by myself, and I was starting to go, weird. Yeah. But I think it's like, you know, they're always going to be coincidental. that you can find. So you guys tell me if these are or not. Let me read a couple paragraphs. The first one will say it, and the second one, I'll tell you what the coincidences are,

and you can tell me. Okay. If you think I'm full of shit or what. On the evening of the 21st of October 1978, Frederick Valentitch set off on a training flight departing from Morabin Airport, heading for King Island in Tasmania. October, 1978. That's how Dave would do it.

A destination he would never arrive. Okay, so that's the thing. So now these are the coincidences. He set off on the 21st of October. My birthday is the 21st of October. From Marabin Airport. I grew up in Marabin, and he was flying to Tasmania where I will be flying the day this episode comes out.

Okay, I'm clutching its straws at the last one. Hang on, and will you be... The day it comes out, I'm flying... And will you be flying from an airport? Yes. That's it. That tipped it over the edge of it. But you're going to Tasmania, not King Island, which is an island off Tasmania.

It's in Tasmania. It's in the state of Tasmania. I'm aware that where it is, but I'm just saying. I'm so, that's a coincidence for sure. So you wanted me to, yeah, I mean, it would have been a real coincidence if I was, if it was the 21st October, 1978, and I was Frederick. Yeah, Valentitch. So anyway, here we go.

The 20-year-old Valentitch flies out of Morabin Airport. You've been 20 in your life. That's true. Allegedly. Sorry, sorry. No, to be honest, I skipped that one. Good. 19 to 21.

Did not want to cast aspersions. Back in the 1640s, I didn't celebrate 20th birthdays. Yeah. It was a leap birthday. Yeah. That's true. Sorry, Maddie, do you go on. So we left at 6.19 p.m.

flying a rented light aircraft, a Cessna 182L, which is a four-seat light aircraft. Hmm. Oh, and how many people are on board? He's flying solo. Oh. Flying solo. It's way too big.

He doesn't need those three extra seats. He just needs a glider. So he's a young pilot, right? Basically, the idea is that this flight was just to help get his flying hours up. At this stage, he'd notched up approximately 150 hours in total in about a year of flying. Oh, wow. The sun sets at 6.43 p.m. But Valentich's restricted license mean he can fly at night when the...

visibility is above a certain level and the conditions are very clear on this evening. Soon after 7pm, Valentitch notices that what he, sorry, Valentich notices what he believes to be another aircraft flying above him. To check if this is the case, he radios the Melbourne Air Flight Service and speaks with the air traffic controller Steve Roby. The conversation went a little something like this. I'm going to read out a bit of a transcript here. It went exactly like this.

It went very much like this. Can you do two different voices so we can differentiate between the characters? Yeah, okay, great. Or do a bit of like a k-over sort of thing too. Look, I mean, take some creative. Roger is said at one point, so I'll just read the script and I'll try and do different voices. Thank you. What kind of any requests of voices?

I reckon make Steve kind of, oh, yeah, dear. And the other one, always. Steve Robies the all year. So he's, so the air traffic controls all year. He's deeper and awe, yeah. Okay, great. And the other one? The other one's a bit higher.

He's a younger man. He's a young guy. Straight to Liverpool. Straight. We have a piano. Yeah, thank you. Really? That's confusing.

We all want to. He's a, he's a Melbourne man. He's a big Beatles fan. He's an Australian anyway. Big Beatles fan. Okay, great. I mean, the Beatles only broke up eight years earlier. Exactly.

He's still real. Lenin is still alive. When he was 12. So I'll start with, it starts with Valentich. And Valentine's the card. All right. Is there any known? That's not.

Just do him normal. Do him normal. What? And then Steve goes, Steve's lower. Is there any known traffic below 5,000 feet? Sorry, I can't hear you. You're going to have to speak in a Liverpool accent because it's a very, very hard, bad signal.

I'm trying to... I'm from the Beatles. There it is. I'm from the Beatles. Is that you, Valentin? No. He starts every transmission with... Is there any known traffic below 5,000 feet?

No, that's... 5,000 feet. Yeah, great. Matt, just go with it. Is there any known traffic below 5,000 feet? No known traffic. I am... Seems to be a large aircraft below 5,000.

What type of aircraft is it? I cannot confirm. It is for bright... It seems to me like landing lights. The aircraft has just passed over me at least a thousand feet above. Roger, and it is a large aircraft. Confirm? Unknown due to the speed it's travelling.

Is there any Air Force aircraft in the vicinity? No known aircraft in the vicinity. It's approaching right now from due east towards me. It seems to me that he's playing some sort of a game. He's flying over me two, three times at a time at speeds I could not identify. Roger, what is your actual level? My actual... My level is four and a half thousand.

4500 and confirm you cannot identify the aircraft. Affirmative. Roger, standby. It's not an aircraft. It is... Can you describe the aircraft? As it's flying past, it's a long shape. I cannot identify more than that.

It's at such speed. It is before me right now, Melbourne. And how large would the object be? It seems like it's stationary. What I'm doing right now is orbiting, and the thing is just orbiting on top of me also. It's got a green light and it's sort of metallic. Like, it's all shiny on the outside. It's just vanished.

Would you know what kind of aircraft I've got? Is it military aircraft? Confirm the aircraft just vanished? Say again? Is the aircraft still with you? It's now approaching from the south-west. The engine is rough. idling. I've got it set at 23, 24 and the thing is coughing. Roger, what are your intentions?

My intentions are to go to King Island, Melbourne. That strange aircraft is hovering on top of me again. It is hovering and it's not an aircraft. And there's silence for 17 seconds. And then there's an audible, unidentified staccato noise, which some have said sounded like scraping metal. That's the end of transcript And with that Despite an intensive search Of the air, sea and land Valentich was never heard from again

And his body never recovered Oh my God Pretty sick right Real cool So yeah I'm reading that Chills And yeah I was having chills I've got chills

I can't It could be a fever I'm not sure Yeah it's always a fever Oh my god Wow Wow Wow

history. Wow. Creepy. So I guess I'll now talk about some of the theories and whatnot. I've got a theory. Yeah, early. All right. Great.

What do you reckon? I don't know. Do I say it now? Do you want me to hold out? I want to hear, maybe I need to hear more evidence. Or maybe I say it now and you convince me otherwise. No, I just want to hear what you think. I reckon he, like, he's faking it.

and then just disappeared. I was going to say theory, fakeed his own death. Faked his own death or like suicide. Ah, that's... But they would have found the plane maybe. They are a couple of the theories that have been put out there. Many theories have been put forward to try and explain the disappearance. Alien abduction.

Yeah. Suicide. Stage disappearance. Drug-induced hallucination. But none have been able to be definitively proven. Because they never found him. Or the plane. Yeah, which makes it pretty hard.

Pretty hard to prove anything, to be honest. Historian Reg Watson, who I really like. Great name. I just knew that Jess would like this guy. He noted that he put his flight plan into Marabin, but he never told King Island flight service that he was coming. Therefore, they never had the lights on at the airport. This has given rise to two assumptions.

One, that he planned his own mysterious departure, or two that it was a suicide, which are the two that came to your mind? Or what if he's just forgetful? Well, I mean, you've done 150 hours worth. It's not very much, to be honest, 150 hours. No, yeah. Three hours a week for a year. It's not very much.

It's been quite inexperienced. But, yeah, you'd think that, like, that, I figure, when you're learning to fly, that's probably one of the first things that you double check. Yeah, that the place you're flying to is ready for you. Yeah, because that's, from my understanding, fairly important. The first thing you do was make sure everyone stowed their tray tables. Thank you very much. And keep their blind things like...

Blind up, for God's sake. They won't always... I've been woken up to put that up before. The blind up. Oh man. Excuse me, sir. Sir? Sir, sir.

Sir, you'll kill us all. The pilot can't operate in shade. He hates the shade. You'll kill us all. He's already wearing sunglasses and he's not taking him off. Is that where you want? Is that where you want? You want to kill us all?

Huh? Madam. Would you mind showing this man your... infant? Do you want to kill his child? Hey everyone! Roe 7G wants to kill us all! That motivated him? Good. My job here is done. Anybody for a Calipo?

I was on a flight result. They gave us Calipo. I was going to say, I'd kill for a Calipo on a flight. I think I know someone who was on that flight and they got working up for the clippo and they were not happy about it. Fair enough. I mean, I would have been happy to be working out for a Calippo. Yeah. Yeah, I was thinking like, she was on the same flight as me.

Yeah. Yeah, she's like, no one. I don't want a Calipo, and I do want that sleep back that you just stole from me. Whoa. That is a hard choice to sleep or a Calipo. It wasn't, like, is it winter, too? I wasn't like, oh, a refreshing train. And also, it's always cold on planes.

Yeah, it's a weird one. I've never come across the mid-air Calipo. You are terrible people. I took it. You're hating on it. You're hating on it. I'm a, I'm a, is it pine line? I'm a big-time yellow Calipo guy.

This one's a raspberry and something. They're pretty good, too. They're pretty good. Anyway. Clippers an ice cream if you don't have it overseas. I don't know. It's more like an ice cream. I see pole, I should say.

Yeah. An ice treat. A summary treat. Yeah. For many years after the disappearance, the government was very reluctant to release any information about the case to the public. That's weird. Sorry.

That pricked you up. That definitely picked my ears. They got your prick right up. That's weird. Even Valentich's family was only given restricted access. For instance, Valentich's father was only allowed to hear the recording of his son's final conversation with Steve Roby after agreeing that no one else would hear the tape.

That's weird. That's weird. It does seem a bit weird, right? It's been a bit protective of it. I'd put it straight on Facebook. Can you imagine the likes you'd get on that? Imagine the sad reacts, the hearts, the loves? I'm like, yeah, you'd do that.

Oh, hang on. I know, I was kidding. You're a sick fuck. I was sort of making a commentary about, you know, millennials. Anyway, you probably wouldn't get that because you're a million. I'm a millional. Which is someone who lives for a million years. You look great though.

Thank you. It's all the vampire sucking I do. What's that? I suck vampires. Where do you suck them? According to researcher Keith Basterfield, also good. After following the case since the disappearance in 78

and attempting to access the case file, he was eventually told by the government in 2004 that the file had been lost or destroyed. Oh, we, we, uh, it's, uh... How do I say this? Johnson took it home, dog ate it. Did a shit on it. The dog shed on the report.

Oh, actually, no, here it is here. Shit's still on it. You want it? It shows if you want it. Oh, dog shit lover. But you have to promise you won't show any of, one this dog shit. By a quirk of fate though, he found the 350, I said that weird, the 315 page document years later

when searching through an online national archives index on an unrelated topic. The file has since been digitized and uploaded so people can read it on the archives website. Do you reckon the government's like, fuck? Yeah, because they just got someone like a temp in to do some data entry and they put up that that lost slash. Accidentally took it out of the shred it file. Yeah, yeah. And put it in the upload it file.

Basterfield noted upon uncovering the file that it revealed parts of an aircraft wreckage with partial serial numbers within the range of Valentitches were found in Bastrate, which is the body of water that is between Melbourne and Tasmania, five years after the disappearance. So not in complete numbers because, you know, it was a wreckage. but potentially were... Ah. Could have been.

Was there any alien jizz on it? And it was sopping wet with jizz. Green jizz? Green jizz. We bloody got him. We bloody gotcha. Little green jizz. That sounds like a Dolly Parton song.

I'd love to hear an impression. Nah, I'm sick. I'd start it like it could have. then, now I'm sick. Now, Little green jiz. Working nine to five.

What a way to take in the jizzin. Way to make a jizzin. Little green giz. That's, yeah, that's better. Two floors a little green jizz. The significance of this, the finding of the partial wreckage, according to Basterfield, is that it basically rules out the popular theory that the disappearance was staged, right?

He's saying, you know, if that was the wreckage, then this kind of rules out the fact that he's faked it. Oh, that he's actually secretly landed somewhere. Flown off somewhere else. Unless a few years later he's come back and trashed. So good. I love that idea. The aeroplane. Yeah, because there's no way of knowing exactly what happened.

Like all these things are possibly possible. Even someone wild like that, which I love. He's living in the sky somewhere. And now he's making wreckages out of clouds. And he brings him back down via mystic dust. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah, I'm with you so far.

Hmm. And then he just, you know, etc. So ultimately he just stole a plane. That's what we're really talking about. Yeah, he also, he's hired that plane. That'd be annoying for the owner. Real annoying. You never hear about the real victim.

Mr. Cessna. So that's if you think... He got the report. His secretary came in everybody. Excuse me, Mr. Cessner. I'm so sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Another one of your planes has been stolen slash missing. Oh, not again!

Bloody King Island, I bet. That is correct, so yes. Those fucking cows. So you're thinking that he did, you're still thinking maybe he did steal it and he's just staged it or faked it? I don't think his plan was like, free plane. I think it was like stage his death and he's living as a little hermit somewhere on an island near King Island. Like in a, in a big shell and he like, comes out like this sometimes. He's not a hermit crab. There's a difference.

Less of these. Less, pincers, yes. Pinses. And more? Pizzes. He's got a beautiful wood fire oven in his shack. I mean, it's like a, it looks quite rough from the outside, just like a, you'd probably almost miss it just driving along the road because it's sort of just wouldn't, but you go inside, what he's done with it. Modern bathroom and kitchen. The most beautiful splash back, the bench tops. So, he'd be, he'd be almost, he'd be 58 now. No, 508, 59. Yeah.

So he's in his retirement, well, coming up to. He's retired from being a hermice. And he's just been, he's been doing up his, uh, his home so that he can sort of, just sort of be comfortable there. And it's just beautiful. But yeah, sorry, the point that I was making, he said he has a wonderful wood fire oven. And he's really, it took some time, but he's really perfected the, uh, the, the, uh, the, a traditional margarita.

Which is a very simple. Simple, but that's how the Italians like it, you know? There is doubt over who Margarita was. Uh-huh. Dave, you know much about this? No, please tell me more. No, that's all I remember to really hope you'd take it from there. Well, we can look into it another day.

I think one of them was maybe a queen or something, or some sort of a, some noteworthy person, and someone else thinks it's something quite different. I feel like I should know that because Margarita Pizza is probably my favorite food in the world. I think you should know the history of your favorite. If you're that passionate about it, which I am. That's why I know all about...

Piscetti. Yeah, comes from Piscetti and Pachanum? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, it was invented about 30-odd years ago. Yeah, just ate some Pachanum. Yeah. Dave, your favourite food?

And the history of it? Oh, it's really hard to say. Probably a pie. Oh, yeah, good call. Yep. History of the pie? A simple dish was given a simple three-letter name. Invented.

invented by Sir Frederick Pie in 1742, I believe. 43, very close. Howard's on my favourite dish. Of course not. So the significance of the wreckage, according to Bassfield, saying how it debunked that popular theory about the staging of the disappearance. He said to the Adelaide advertiser, there was a lot of public speculation at the time of a hoax disappearance,

but there is nothing in the 315 pages that even suggests that. Yeah, but these are government documents, and they've tried to cover it up, Bassarate. So you think they're covering up him stealing the plane? Why would the government cover that up? No, but I don't understand why they might cover up a military thing. No, maybe it was still military. The military thing caused him to crash,

and that's why the wreckage is there. Maybe it was a military plane, and the military boys were a little bit drunk, and so they were just sort of fucking. with him. They were just sort of like, like when teenagers hoon a little bit and they drag race.

Maybe the military plane was like, yeah, you want to go, and then he spiraled and crashed and they went run, you know? Yeah, they were like... They tried to run and they just... That green light he saw was actually the signal to go in the race.

Yeah. And he fucked it. He fucked it. He didn't go. And then lost his pink slip. Orbiting. We're playing for pinks. The other popular theory

that Watson and Perkins both mentioned was that the young pilot committed suicide. I was like, did you mention a Perkins in this story and I missed it? He's talking about me. You've just written yourself into the report. It doesn't take a lot to become an expert in my reports. Someone said sometime. Suicide. So, but apparently suicide, that theory is widely being put to bed based on transcripts of many interviews with family and friends of Valentich. And also some people I was reading at have since talked to family and friends and said they basically go, there's no signs he was suicidal.

Which is interesting that they could put that to bed based on interviews, because often don't you hear of people saying you're taken by surprise? They're often so surprised. Even with like famous people, like Quinn Chris Cornell died last month or the month before. That's right, but maybe if it was a psychologist talking to people, maybe they could uncover signs that layman couldn't or something. Yeah, but it's also the late 70s too. And not to say that they, like, obviously, I feel like it's probably improved.

Our understanding of mental health is probably improved now. Yeah. We're more aware of it now, so maybe we'd be looking for more signs or more things would stick out. I reckon often these things that are put to bear to buy an expert who's trying to push forward their theory as well. So they're going, I've ruled that out. That's obviously being ruled out. Yeah. It's like, I don't know if it fully, how can you fully?

I'm ruling aliens in. I found a partial. Found a partial serial number that could have been it, so that rules out that he... Yeah. Or they want to be the one that's the expert that's talking about later. Yeah, I know. I know why. Yeah.

So I'm like, mate, you're a gardener, and you've been on Google for four hours. You're not the expert. I should probably note that while Basterfield has dedicated his life to researching UFOs... Gardner slash four hours. In this advertiser article, they call Basterfield... expert researcher of public documents, and it also says that he does not believe in UFOs. Because I was reading and going, of course you think that, mate. You're just trying to tell us that this is a UFO, but apparently he doesn't believe in UFOs.

So he spent his life investigating something he doesn't believe him? Yeah, trying to sort of debunk them. I think he's like, he's a skeptic and I think is, as I understand, Basterfield. He's a skeptic, which I read a few skeptics in here. Right, so he's the anti-Foxmoulder. Yeah, also the anti. What was that guy you had? Uphologist.

Oh, the Uphologist. What is that guy's name? He was great. He was a great character. I can see his face. It's still funny. But with that in mind, Besterfield noted that it was

the case as investigators, rather than Valentich, who labeled it an unidentified flying object. In the transcript, you would have noticed that Valentin never mentions aliens. He's asking what aircrafts are around, that sort of thing. Yeah.

But it was in the investigation that government investigators were the ones who were talking about it being a UFO. Well, what was spooky that who was saying it's not an aircraft? Yeah. That was creepy. Yeah. What do you mean? What is it then?

Yeah. Oh man, I loved it. Well, this is why it's, it's grabbed people's attention, I guess. Yeah. It's because it's, yeah, I think that transcript is probably the key to it. Yeah. And the fact that he disappeared mid-mid chat. Yeah, mid-conversation.

So it's kind of interesting that Valentich never mentions aliens in that conversation because apparently he was super fascinated by them. So according to a report written by James Maguire and Joel Nicol, Joe Nicol, for the Skeptical Inquirer in 2013, McGuire and Nicol wrote that Fred Valentich was enthralled with UFOs watching films and accumulating articles going on to say, that according to his father, Valentich, had himself observed a UFO moving away very fast earlier in the year.

Oh. So he was a UFO guy himself. Okay. Which explains some stuff, I think. As a big believer, a Maguire, Nicol, I think this is important, as it may suggest, that rather than happening upon a UFO, maybe Valentinich went looking for one, which obviously is quite a different thing. If this is the case, they suggest that his so-called encounter was not surprised.

rising, and they quote, noted skeptic and Mensa member Robert Schaefer, who said that as Valentich was a true believer, he was probably inclined to assume anything was a UFO if he could not immediately identify it. Yeah, that's, yeah. Which I find interesting because if that's the case, he's not going, holy shit, is this a UFO? He's going, I don't know what it is. Like, he was sounding very level-headed about it. Yeah, true.

So that kind of is, all that seems to not quite be consistent to me. Yeah, you're right. He would have been like, oh, I've got one. Instead of being like, that's weird. Yeah. Come on, send people over here. We're Melbourne. Do you guys know of any planes?

Because there's something up here. Are you sure? Nothing? Yeah. Unless what you were saying before, maybe he's like going up there to try and manufacture one. But why would he do that and, you know, why would he do that and then crash? Yeah. Well, yeah.

It's very bloody intriguing, I tell you. On top of this, they paint Valentich as a fairly ordinary pilot. which I suppose is to be expected as he was a relatively inexperienced flyer, but in his short time as a pilot, having obtained a private pilot licence in September 97, so just over a year earlier, and he was studying part-time for a commercial pilot's license. But again, quoting Schaefer's research, Maguire, getting that name wrong for sure, and Nichols suggests he had failed all five of his exam subjects, not once but twice, and just the month before again failed three subjects.

So, I mean, I don't know what kind of rules there were back then, but doesn't feel like you'd almost... How do you still have a license to fly by yourself? Hang on, those are his exams when he's studying to be a commercial. A commercial part, yeah. So I guess that's another level from a little Sessna Joy lawyer. So he's still got his license to fly the little ones. Yeah.

But they're like, no, you can't handle it. So it's kind of like you and I having car licenses and then trying to get in a semi-trailer. And they go, probably not. And we go, no, go. No, look at me, reverse this back. Oh, I've jacked off again. Oh, this. Oh, it's on fire.

I've ruined this truck. Aliens. Where's that truck been again? Don't expect me to drive it into it. But can someone else please? On top of this, he once received a warning for straying into restricted airspace and was twice cited for deliberately flying blindly into a cloud, which he was under threat of prosecution, apparently.

What, we'll say that again? He flew into a cloud. Twice he was cited for deliberately flying blindly into a cloud. Wait, hang on, how do you? Boy, mate, you're going to have to pay for that cloud. They're just up there. It's like he's like veered into him or something. You've got, it's like he's gone out of his way to go through it.

But it's just a cloud. Yeah, I don't know. Like, how do you avoid them? Are you supposed to dodge them? Because that would mean we could not fly very often into Melbourne. I'm afraid China owns that cloud and they're really pissed off. I'm pretty sure. I'm quieting a guy who's in Mensa, all right?

No, I'm not doubting. I'm just confused. Clows just exist. My phone is backed up to the cloud and if he drove through my photos, I'd be fucking pissed. He just ruined me album. What are all your photos of, Dave? You don't need to know that. You're weird eyes.

We're funny there. Stop looking at me. It's like he's having flashback. You're stealing my photos. Get out of the cloud. Get out of me, cloud! Oi! Put him down!

Put him down. Yeah, take him out. You got a photo of a little boy. Oh, no, he's taking him. Back to his lair on King Island. A little bastard. I'm so confused. It's a mystery, I'll tell you.

It's a bloody mystery this way. everything we say They drew the conclusion anyway from all that that he may have been an accident waiting to happen Because he loves flown into clouds Who loves it Like obviously

If you don't know Australian geography To get from Melbourne to King Island You have to fly over quite a lot of water And you're no good at flying It's not that far No yeah If we caught a quantus flight or something, it would take us about half an hour, 40 minutes? Yeah, absolutely, it's less than an hour.

I'll be, you guys listening straight away, I'll be in the air right now. That's nice. Flying through Dave's cloud. Get out! Just stop! No, I'm not. Just stop it! I'm going to get up there, I'm going to get there with a USB.

Fuck, just don't look at my apps. All my data. We're going to check out Dave's data. What a fucking hell. So little, just like him. What sort of apps have you got there? You don't want us to see. Go away, mum.

You wouldn't understand. Get out of it. None of that really explains the mysterious aircraft he saw, though, does it? It just explains it maybe he might have crashed, but what happened just before that? You can't say, oh, he loved flying in a cloud, so he, I don't know, somehow saw a, I don't know. I don't know.

The consensus seems to be that he wasn't making it up, though, that he saw something. It's just people like Schaefer, Maguire and Nicol are suggesting that maybe he saw something very explainable and leapt to conclusions. So what did he see? Magaya and Nicol... Nailed it.

Reckon they have nutted it. Oh, they reckon they have no idea. And he is their opinion. End of episode. Going as far to title this article I've been quoting, the valentage disappearance, colon, another UFO cold case solved. Oh, I solved it.

That's bold. That is bold. But hey, you've got to be in this media. But it's a co-write between the two of them? It's a co-write. Okay, good. And I love how it starts out. He goes, one of us, Nicol, was asked to look into the case for a television show,

and he queried the other, McGuire, who came up with the missing piece of the puzzle, as perhaps only someone who was both a pilot and astronomer could do. What a combo. What a combo. I'm a pilot who loves to look at the stats. It's just like, we're just asked, look at it at a TV show, and we bloody nutted it.

I figured it out. They asked us to co-write an episode of Baywatch and we accidentally solved an alien mystery. And it's, the article's full of stuff where it's like, so this probably means, and that you can assume that that. Yeah, right. And then it leads to, well, we've said, yeah. Yeah, it's so funny how confident.

It's a little clickbaited, but it's interesting because it's from a publication called The Skeptical Inquirer. But it's like real skeptics wouldn't be going, we reckon. There's probably like, you couldn't say it isn't, so I reckon it is. We figured it out. We flipped a coin and here we are. So the article says, as it happens, a computer search of the sky for that day, time and place of Valentine's flight reveals that the four points of bright light he would almost certainly have seen were the following. Almost certainly. Venus, which was at its very brightest, Mars, Mercury, and the bright

star, Antares, or Antares, or probably Antares. These four lights would have represented a diamond shape, given the well-known tendency of viewers to connect the dots and so could well have been perceived as aircraft or UFO. In fact, the striking conjunction was shaped as a vertically elongated diamond, thus explaining Valentitch's saying of the UFO that it is a very long shape. As to the UFO's other characteristics, the metallic or shiny appearance could have been due to the power of suggestion alone. Having connected the dots, Valentage would likely have gone on to fill in the area as solid, even metallic. We must remember the Valentich's impressions of those of someone who was confused about what he was saying.

That's hardly definite stuff, is it? That's a whole lot of... It's concrete. So we reckon, nah, probably filled it in. And, like, have you ever looked at the... Like, even if you were a bit dizzy or whatever, you look up at the star and you're like, oh, yeah. That's the stars.

That big chunk of night sky in between the stars. Looks like a metallic spaceship to me. Also, I love the power of suggestion on himself. Yeah. Usually use that on other people. It's like he employed Oprah's The Secret, asked for an alien, and there it was. Case closed.

Yeah, I just don't quite buy it. I mean, it's a theory. I accept that that's maybe a possible theory, but it's like to title you think, nutted it. They didn't title it nutted it, but they made it both bloody nutted it. That's what they were doing at the pub that night.

We bloody nutted it, boys. Slam down the publication on the pool table. But what do you reckon? What about the bit when he's like, it's coming at me, like it's playing chicken. So they sort of suggested that rather than it moving in relation to him, it was more him moving in relation to it. Oh, so he was the aggressor in the situation. Well, I would think, yeah, that's what they thought when it looked like it was moving fast. It was, you know, stars in the sky don't really seem to move like that, do they?

No. Like, he's in this fly, like, how is he looking up sort of anyway? Yeah, look where you're going. Is that why he crashed because he was distracted? That's kind of what... That is part of their theory that I do totally buy. Yeah. I think that their assertion that Fred Valentage's UFO has now been identified

should be probably rephrased to Fred Valentich's UFO has now had another unprovable theory thrown into the mix. But I do think, yeah, there is some merit in the idea that he was distracted by... something that he thought was a UFO. And that distraction, a distraction paired with his inexperience as a pilot led to a crash and his death

disappearance. There is a theory that he was so disorientated that he may have been flying upside down. And that the lights and aircraft he was seeing was actually the image of his own aircraft reflecting back of the ocean. And if I could get my head around that

as an idea that you could be upside down flying and not knowing it, then I reckon that makes a lot of sense to me. It would make sense. There's a green light on his plane. Yeah, but how could you be upside down and not realize? That's the only thing that I can't. Apart from that, I'm like,

that feels like my favourite of the theories. Visually, if you're in full pitch darkness and there's ocean and sky, you probably couldn't tell, but gravity still affects you. Yeah, gravity, right? You're not like zero G or anything. No.

Your sunglasses have fallen off your head. You're pressing up into your harness a lot. Yeah, right. Is that the case? Because you're hanging upside down. I have never been in a small aircraft, so I don't really know. But in my head, I'm like, it feels like you know. It's the same as like a big aircraft.

You know when the plane turns and you can feel that you're turning? Yeah. It's like that. Right. There's no way it could be dizzy and just like losing oxygen or some other weird thing that's led to him. He's not high up enough. Right. I don't think.

I mean, I'm no expert, but I've seen Top Gun. And I nearly finished it I hope goose gets out okay I love goose He's a good guy Is he Tom Cruise? He's a Maverick He's the one that gets

He's an ice man He's the one that gets ejector seat And it doesn't open And he breaks his extra out away He's a goose And he is gone He's a goose He's the one with great balls of fire

Is it the goose of fire Yeah All right Great goose of fire Great goose of fire Oh he flames up Mate, I haven't finished it, all right? Roast Goose for dinner.

Don't ruin it, probably. Let's not spoil another thing. Dave, a few weeks back. We won't. We won't move on. I don't want to dwell on it because I'll spoil it again. I'm not going to say what, but there was a Poirot case that Dave absolutely ruined for at least one listener. I think maybe multiple.

No, two, two people emailed in, but let's not dwell on it. I don't want any more emails because it made me feel like a bad guy. Because you're a bad guy. Jess and I both warned you at the time. I explicitly said, Dave, you're going to get upwards of two emails about this, and you said, fuck off, Jess. Fuck you, I'll do what I want. Yeah, that's what you said.

You can roll back the tape, mate. Anyway, I reckon... There's another Poirot case where it turns out the whole key to it is. A lady says that she got pricked by a rose. But the type of thorn, that rose that she's talking about doesn't have thorns. Oh, that's good. Oh, fuck. Got you, bitch.

That's a great mystery. And we've got you. Boom, and I'm gone. So I reckon in all my extensive research over the last few weeks, I reckon that that is probably my, that's nearly my favourite theory. Upside down. Nearly, but of course, it isn't quite. My favourite theory is that it was a mother flipping UFO.

That would be good. Yeah, that would be great. Back to historian Reg Watson. Reg. Who we started out talking about earlier. By the way, Reg in my head is like a portly fellow with a, white beard. Yeah.

Santa? I haven't seen him, but I'm picturing clean shaven. He's portly, but he's got white hair and maybe a wide broom hat. Oh, okay, yeah, definitely, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Probably shorts. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And, like, a shirt tucked in. Yeah, definitely.

Oh, I love him. And maybe some sort of, like, he's got things on his belt that could be, that could come in handy. He's wearing a tool belt. No, no, no, no, no, no, compass, pocket knife. Reg is the best. Yeah, Reg is real great. Cool.

I love Reg. I mean, I've made all that up, but I love our reg. Even if it's not the real reg. I love him. So, Reg Watson was interviewed on ABC Radio in Hobart. And he said that he's been researching the disappearance. This is a quote, for gosh, three decades. Gosh.

For gosh. Classic of Edge. Three decades, though, which I love him. I have to say, in my opinion, he had an encounter with a UFO. and I don't say that lightly. But I do say it every night to my wife. Night, honey, love you, he saw a UFO. Yes, Reg, we all know.

All I know, in the broad terms of a UFO, an unidentified flying object, that causes to mice. I think that's fair. That's definitely one of them. They doesn't even mean alien, though. Not yet. For months prior to the disappearance,

lights in the sky, cigar-shaped objects were seen from King Island. And I've spoken to witnesses on the northwest coast of Tasmania who actually saw Kraft on the day 15 minutes before he went missing. Watson also noted that there were numerous reports of UFO sightings in 1978. Big year for UFOs. It's been called the biggest flap in Australia's history. Which I never heard that term before. What does that mean?

And I didn't even look it up because I'm like... No, I reckon I'm... I reckon I'm... Kennelly's the biggest flap in Australia's history. I think it means... It just means a... Like a clump of sightings or activity. Flap.

A flap. Love it. Show us your flaps. Shall us your flap. Going alien. Alien. Show us your flap. Come on, I bet you don't have any guts, do you?

If you don't show us your flaps. sightings were seen not only from Tasmania They were seen as far away as South Australia Right through the coast of Western Australia Even up to the coast of New South Wales That's far away from Tasmania That's a long way away Anyway

We're talking like thousands of miles I read that a lot of these things came out after the disappearance Made a lot of news And then all of a sudden And along with the sort of news There was an unidentified point And then all of a sudden people are Yeah I saw something

Yeah Convenient Yeah saw a green light. Apparently a lot of it came out afterwards. People who, you know, they're not necessarily lying. But I reckon if you at any point go, there was a mysterious disappearance, then all of a sudden people go, oh, I knew I saw something.

I swear I saw it. And then they call in when otherwise they might be like, nah, it was probably nothing. But all of a sudden something confirms it in their mind or something like that. I'm saying something very smart there. A coronial inquiry into the disappearance in 1982 returned an open verdict. with Valentich listed as missing. Open and shut. Presumed dead.

But the official Department of Transport Investigation report stated that it seems likely that the aircraft did not crash in the sea between Cape Otway and King Island, which is where he was thought to be at the time. Which is, you know, whether that says that maybe he was, like just the same before, flying off somewhere else, or if an alien took him or, you know, it could mean all sorts of things. Or if he's a shit pilot and doesn't know where he is.

Apparently another interesting thing in this was the Department of Transport, some government departments for the first time in some of these researchers in all their time researching. It was the first time a government body actually asked to investigate further into the UFO, which is interesting as well. So someone in Australia at the time was like, I reckon it could be bloody something. According to a News Corp story, so you know it's of good quality journalism,

air traffic controller Steve Roby, the man who was last chatting to him, has been quoted as saying, if he suffered disorientation and crashed into the water, you'd think they would have found a lot of debris. Yeah. Surely there would have been something found during the intent searches, oil or something. Roby said NASA analysts had assessed the audio transcript, and found Valentich to be under genuine stress,

which led him to believe the UFO theory. Oh, wow. Which is interesting. I thought Roby, like the air traffic controller, this guy's the man of sense, which only throws more weight into my belief that this was. I mean, UFO, like you were saying, broadly meaning unidentified flying object.

Doesn't necessarily mean... Little green man, I don't write that. Little green juice. And the simple fact was there was so much activity at the time in sightings. This is what Roby was saying. So that's interesting. Anyway, that's basically it. So there's, I haven't helped you at all, have I? But I'd love to hear your thoughts, but just to just to finish off, I guess. His family erected a memorial plaque on Cape Otway in 1998, which was unveiled by Steve Roby.

Oh, wow, the air traffic controller. Yeah. Oh, wow. I suppose it would play on your, play on your mind forever. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, it's been the blast to speak to someone as well. Yeah. And it's interesting if that's true what he believes at NASA looked into the tape, because the tape's now been lost as well. You can't hear the tape anymore. Oh. Although they did think the report had lost as well.

So it may well turn up. Apparently it was played on, I read somewhere that it was played on AM radio in Victoria at some point in Melbourne. Since years ago. So AM radio. Yeah. But yeah, that transcript, I think, is, without that, this would be a lot less fascinated,

but it's just the way it was coming and going, and he fully believed it. But it sounded like a lot of people thought, depending on their theories, the ones that thought he was distracted and ended up dying. It sounded like some of the things about the plane coughing and stuff like that meant that he was in a, what's called a graveyard spiral,

which is you're getting lower, and you know, you're going around and around, basically diving into the cycling downwards. Right. But possibly not realizing it. Yeah, possibly not realizing it. That's why he was like splattering and stuff. I suppose that if you saw something and you're like, oh, look, it's there, it's

coming and going, coming and going, if you're in a spin. And especially if that, what you're saying is the reflection of the water, but like we were saying, we're not sure that how could he be upside down and not know it? But I don't know about science to know if that is possible or not. No, I feel like you'd know if you're upside down. What's your best theory, Jess? Faked it. Faked it?

You reckon he's off somewhere else? Yeah. Pizza oven? Yeah, I love it. I love it. Yeah. He's just living a quiet life. That's what he wanted.

I'm into that as an idea. Yeah, I like that. That's the nicest one, I think. Oh, I'm the nicest one on this podcast. We could all agree with that. Dave, your theory? I think that he probably just freaked out. No, no, I meant your theory about me being the nice.

No, I'm kidding. Yeah, I think he could just, possibly just, I don't know what the lights that he was seeing were. I think that he probably thought he was seeing something. but he just crashed. And they always say, like, surely we'd find something, but you just don't understand how big the ocean is. It's quite vast. Even a relatively small area between Melbourne and Tasmania.

Yeah, there's so big. It's so big. And if it sinks, right, that's a long way down. It's a small four-seat Cessna. It's about the size of this room. Yeah. Yeah. Which is huge.

Yeah. I guess. Well, it's the size of Cessna. Cessna, which is pretty big. It's bigger than a normal room. Right. But yeah, I think that he totally could have just actually, you know, crashed and died, sadly. And it's possible you'll never find him.

Yeah, definitely aliens. I mean, there's 7-4-7 planes out there. What are you trying to hide, Jess? Nothing. Blip-b-blop-blop. And, Matt, your theory? He said aliens. Yeah, aliens.

I think it was aliens made him fly upside down until he saw himself. Himself. Thought it was an alien. which is weird play by the aliens but that's what they wanted because they work in mysterious ways they wanted him to think aliens but not see that right

yeah because the real aliens if he saw the real ones he would have really bloody got an eye full and then what did they do with him oh they they um they probed his butt of course they did of classic aliens love it love a good probe

a lot of information up there yeah that's my guess yeah that's the first place you're why they're obsessed with boughs I don't know Yeah, I guess that's where the secrets of humanity are up there. Up the butt. That's the most you. Yeah.

Maybe that's where alien brains are. And they just assume that ours are in our poo hole. Well, to them it's not a poo hole. Of course not. It's a think hole. Not a stinkhole. Hashtack think hole, not a stinkhole. I wonder if our Golden Hat patron himself,

Zach Steinbacher, has some theories. I reckon he's got it. he's got to. Or if anyone else out there, because do you reckon it's a famous thing if you are a Tasmanian? I think it's actually, it's pretty famous around the world. There's a lot of, a lot of research, a lot of papers

into this. It really captured the attention. I think a lot of that is, like I say, because of that transcript. The recording, yeah, because he said. He said what he said. That's it. Let's leave it of that. It's bloody interesting. I've thought about this the other day. If when you die, you get to ask a few

questions. Immediately, my question is, did D.B. Cooper survive? What happened at Die at Love Pass? And I'm just going to, well, I was going to ask what's the meaning of life. That's just gone out the window. I'm going to have to have them to bloody valentage. Let's die together. Oh, yeah. Then we can get six. Do we only have three? Do we only have three questions? I might say you two are dying and not me. Is that what you're saying? You want to come with? Yeah, I'm not living here without you. Does that mean we get nine or is there some sort of a thing where

like you multiply of each other? So it's three by three by three. That'd be six. sick if you could like group them up. It's three cubed. Three cubed would be real good. We could get some answers. We'd only know for ourselves. Like we wouldn't even be able to tweet the answers back to our listeners. So is that worth it?

Is that worth knowing? Fine with me. I just want to know. Sure. Today you hold yourself above the listeners. I'd find out if Burke and Wills should have split the party one more time. That's what I'd ask. If they'd only split the party once more, would they be fine?

Oh man. There's so many questions. I just want to know. Who was Jack the Ripper? Who was? yet killer. Have you seen that new theory that someone sent in that... Oh, we've had multiple people send it in.

Yeah, right. But I love how... So there's a theory that Jack the Ripper and H.H. Holmes is the same person. And the research is being done by H.H. Holmes's great nephew or something. Oh, creepy. Is that right? I should have really clicked harder on that link. Is that how you get more information out of it?

Yeah, you click hard. Yeah, I think the theory is that... AJ James or Jack the Riffam possibly could have moved to America at the right time and stopped killing at the right time. It's just interesting that it was a similar time at all. And if you haven't heard those episodes,

we've done them all before. Yeah, you should go back and listen to them. They're also on YouTube, on YouTube.com slash do go on pod. While we're here, let us mention that after many, many weeks of editing away, just now, today, if you're listening to the day it came out, we have uploaded and released the video of us with Nick Mason live at the Melbourne Comedy Festival,

our Loch Ness Monster episode that we filmed. Just 50 minutes of good times on there. Go check it out now. YouTube.com slash do go on pod. Have a watch. It's a lot of fun. Yeah, it looks great. Good job, Dave.

A couple of times a camera cut out, but don't worry. With the magic of editing, I trust you won't even notice. So just check it out. It's actually, it's fun what I did. So have a look. It's fun what I did. What I did back there. What I did was fun.

It's fun what I did. It's fun what you did. Before we go, Dave, we should really thank some of our patrons. We should thank our patrons apart from Zach Steinbeck. Everyone else who supports us at patreon.com. So do go on pod. Now, I would like to thank, first of all. Now, someone who, we must apologize to first.

And to anyone that we may have missed thanking, what we do is we like to do. We thank the people in the order that you have subscribed to us on patreon.com. And it's not as easy as you would like to think to list the pledges in order. So we apologize if we have missed you. Someone who let us know that we have missed them, they've been contributing for many a month now. And we'd like to thank all the way from Hong Kong, Jai Smith. Jumper Jai. Big Jai fan.

Big Jai fan, big Smith fan, me. He's a constant... Inspiration. Inspiration and communicator And support Yeah He's a constant warmth in my heart Isn't it cool to know that someone in Hong Kong

Really likes us Yeah it's pretty cool It's cool to know that people anywhere really like us To be honest Jai are you a very wealthy person Because they always talk about The most expensive places to live For property

Hong Kong's always number one Where's above New York Where's above London Melbourne's prizes Yeah Melbourne and we are trying to catch up with you We are trying to catch up with you We are trying.

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Can I do two? Oh, my God, yes. Because I love my peep so much. He's also part of my crew. What does Taylor Swift have? What does she have? Like a gang or something? Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

A posse, a clique. It's a, it's a crew. It's a, I don't know what they call. Fuck, we're old. Yeah. Well, he's part of my possey, my clique, my crew. No, she's born in 1919. I know that because her album is called 1989, but I would like to thank.

Yeah, so we're younger than her. Now, she's born in 1980. You meant we're older. Ah, the maths go. You thought I meant the opposite of what I said. Well, that's often true, though. Let's be honest. And you did just say off air before we started that you have a fever.

I don't have a fever. I'm a very cold right now. I would like to thank all the way from Toronto. It is Stuart Elcock. Possibly Stuart Orcock. It's probably Alcock. Look, I... Even if it's all cock, he probably says Alcoq.

He probably says, like, Alco. You know, it's kind of like... I know I'm usually good at making, like, jokes out of people's names, but I just get to Allcock, and I just... I've just drawn a blank. So I just like to thank... A sincere thank you. Just shot a blank.

I just shot a blank out of my all cock. Thank you, Stuart. There's a place in Western Australia that's called... It's spelled Cockburn, but it's pronounced Co-burn. So maybe he's Alco, which is not good either. Oh, Alco. Stuart the El-Ell. Go.

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And one that was definitely active that day and has been a supporter of us for quite a long time. All the way from Santa Monica. I want to thank Connor Jamison. Oh, Connor Jamison. He's also a frequent Twitter. Yeah, you're an absolute champ, Connor. Thank you so much for. for all of your support.

And I'd also like to thank, again, if I may. And this one gives you boys an opportunity to an accent that I cannot do. Which is. From Somerset in the UK. Somerset. There we go. Somerset. I'm from Somerset.

That's not bad. That's not bad. Hello, I'm Michael Kane, and I am not from Somerset, as far as I know. Well, I would like to thank Will White. Wow, that's a cool name. Have we got saying Will White in a Somerset accent? Will Wye. Will Wight.

Will Wight. Somersight. SummerSite. Will Wai. He went to kind of southern there. He was a southern bell. But anyway, thank you so much, Will, for supporting us and B from Somerset. Somerset.

You're our number one patron from Somerset. There we go. Do we have time to thank any more? I'm afraid not. Yeah, Maddie, go on. You have a go. I've had to look up, I've looked this up, and I don't know if this is right, but the pronunciation of this goes, I would have, if I was having a cracket up myself, I would have said iron geogan, but I've looked it up, and it's actually Ian Gagin, so which is quite different. How do you spell Gagin?

G-E-O-G-H-A-N. Your teeth clicking when you spell that out. G-R-A-A-O-A-A-O-A-A-A-A-A- But isn't that interesting? Wow. How do you get Gagin from that? Is it a Gigan? Unless it's one of those joke things that are messing with me. Where's Ian from?

He is from. Is that Welsh? Is that Welsh? Definitely Welsh. So yes to the Welsh question. Just say yes when I ask is he Welsh? Don't have to be a smart. We all know Colorado was the capital of Wales.

He could well be Welsh. Yeah, you don't know. We can live in different places. Ian Gagin or Ian Jiggen. I reckon in America they, will more likely pronounce things phonetically, right? I think they probably call him Craig. Ian, yes.

Ian Gaggin. Yagin. O'ye, Craig. Fucking hell, it's Ian Gagin. Craig. Gagin. Craig? Am I saying that, Ra,

No, I'm saying that in Gagin now, maybe. I reckon, all right, I'm going to say Ian Gagin. Thank you so much. Thanks, Ian Gagin. You got a sick name. I like it a lot. And Colorado. Rocky Mountain High.

is? I'm just picturing moose and I'm picturing grizzly bears. Colour, is that, South Park? Or is that Denver? No, I'm thinking of Denver. South Park? I'm thinking of South Park. Is that South Park in Colorado? Yeah. Sick. I'd also like to thank Jack Jiles. Jack Jiles. Or Giles, Jack Giles. Jack Giles. Jack Giles. Jack Jiles. Jack Jiles. Jack Jiles. Great name. Jiles from the Nanny. One of the great, I reckon he's one of the top four or five characters from the nanny. It's Niles, which is interesting. I was watching the Nanny before I came here today. Mr. Sheffield.

Miss Fyne. Mr. Sheffield. It's been a few weeks about we're mentioning the Nanny again. Sasha became. Did you see we got a tweet once that said like, just because you mentioned it so much, was the Nanny a big deal in Australia or something? Like it wasn't overseas, but it was big here?

It's still, they still show reruns. It was on TV this evening. This evening when I ate my soup. Jack Giles from Essex. Essex. Do your Essex. What's your Essex accent? I don't know.

Essex is a great name. Cricket, that's a good cricket county, I believe, Essex. The only way is Essex? Is that, that a... Oh, that's a shaking her head. They're not that good at cricket? No, probably. How would I know?

That's a show though? Matt knows a place based on a sports reference. That's interesting. I might be wrong there. That's how she became... The Nanny. Anyway, what a... We don't know.

The only way is Essex is a TV show. A British television soap opera based in Brentwood, England. It shows, quote, real people in modified situations saying unscripted lines but in a structured way. Oh, that sounds great. And it stars here in a man called Giles. Jack Giles? Giles. Oh, interesting.

But Jack Giles is actually from Benfleet, Essex. I'm really sorry to say that the ratings have really dropped. 20 series of the only way as Essex. No, too many. And it started in 2010. 20 series in that many years. Dave, we really should wrap this up. We're about to do our bonus Patreon episode after this.

We totally are. And it is pushing towards midnight. And Jess is dying. So we really should... If you are a Patreon supporter, this other episode will probably be coming out soon after, right? When are you going to put up there? Yeah, totally. Maybe even before this episode.

And it's a Dave report. It's going to be a lot of... fun. I've had a lot of fun researching this. Also, we mentioned earlier this week that we are very, very close to our Patreon goal. Matt's got his regret

face going already. Our Patreon goal of $2,000, which means that either Matt or myself are going to get a tattoo. Or we will record a director's commentary on every episode of the Nanny. It's up to you. Those are the three options. I like the nanny option. I don't think we have to watch them off. No, just punking you.

You're definitely getting a tattoo on your neck, Matt. One of us is getting a tattoo. So if you... Jess wants one, so the people will vote for her. But seriously, I put my hand up and said, I will get a tattoo at 2000 and then you jumped on the bandwagon. I thought it would be fun. Now you want to jump off the bandwagon. No, I don't want to jump off.

I just want the people to vote for you. Yeah. I want people to vote for me too. We'll film it. We'll film... Don't you want to see Jess getting tattooed? I'm going to be, like, so expressive in my face. She'll express things, guys.

I'll get a tattoo. Then I'll be... Then all three of us will have tattoos and I won't be the odd one and I'll blow to them. So vote for Jess. Thank you. So anyway, yeah, jump on the Patreon if you would like to. You can support us. Yeah, you get the bonus episodes if you support us to a certain level or you get shoutouts.

You get all sorts of things. And don't forget to go on YouTube and check out that live episode with Mesa. It was a lot of fun. That's on our YouTube channel with all our episodes. Matt's nearly uploaded. I'd say two thirds of all our back catalogers on YouTube now. YouTube.com slash do go on pod. Get in contact via Facebook, Instagram and Twitter at Do Go OnPod.

Or email us. Jess loves emailing. She's on it every single day. Do go on pod at gmail.com if you want to suggest a topic. Honestly, guys, I am checking that email while I'm sitting at work board. So, like, get in touch. Put a smile on a dial. Yeah.

Have a chat. I'm there. I got a really good one from an American AFL convert. We did. We get some really great emails, actually. When we were driving the other day, I wrote him quite a long, tedious reply. I saw that. I saw that today because I saw it.

thanks for the reply, Matt, and I said, oh, what did Matt say? And it was like, it was a fucking essay. But it was, it was lovely. It was lovely. But mine are not essays, but I will touch upon points that you make and have a bit of fun with you. That's real good. You know? What an honor.

Anyway. And finally, if I could just say a little something. I've noticed a lot of people that, uh, listen to our show. I asked them how they found the show. And it's a lot of the time they say a friend put me on to you. So if you can't afford to help out with the Patreon, totally understand that. But if you want to keep the show going.

But yes, if you would like us to maybe come to your town, the more people that listen there, the more likely we're going to come there. And the way you can do that is suggest our podcast to a friend that listens to a podcast. Share the love. That would be really nice if you do that. Tweet about it. Put a little thing on Facebook and say, hey, I love this podcast.

You should check it out. We'd appreciate that 1 million percent. Absolutely. Out of 1 million. Well, that's all of them. Could have just said 100%. Yeah. Not as impressive sounding, though.

So thanks so much for listening, guys. We'll be back next week with another report, but until then, I will say a goodbye. Later. Bye. Do Mac well done. Is that anything? It is now.

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