Do Go On - 93 - The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare
Episode Date: August 2, 2017The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare (aka the Special Operations Executive or SOE). What was it? A secret World War II organisation and the brain child of then British Prime Minister Winston Churchil...l. This ep has it all, espionage, sabotage, reconnaissance and fuckhead Nazis. Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPoTwitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: dogoonpod@gmail.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On.
My name is Dave Warnocky and I'm here with Jess Perkins and Matt Stewart.
Hello.
Hello.
Good evening.
It's really good to be here.
A pleasure, as always.
You know, I think some people think that this is your show and we're like sort of like permanent guest hosts.
Recurring guests. Oh, that's good.
Do anything that's weird? Dave, do you want to set the record straight now
and just let everyone know that Jess and I are as, if not more, important than you?
Yeah, let them know that we're as, if not more, important than you.
So you're co-stars.
Is that what you want?
Even slightly higher stars.
No, no, no, no. I think the credits would go, do go on starring Dave Warnocky,
co-starring Matt Stewart, special guest star.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
I want and introducing.
Yeah.
I want it.
Every week.
100 weeks in a row.
Could we do it like this?
Starring Dave Warnocky,
introducing Jess Perkins,
and as old man,
Matt Stewart.
That's great.
My favourite ones
are with the last bit of the credits.
For some reason,
the only one that says
and as,
and their character name
for some reason?
I never got why that was.
And as T.J. Swithers,
Matt Stewart.
You're like, what?
Yeah.
Who are the others?
And as old man.
Now, I would like it to be
the original Gilligan's Island
star which is um and the rest the rest with two more people
just say it so later on when the show got popular they changed and the rest to
the professor and marianne but before that the professor and marianne with the rest
oh that's brutal they've named six people and then there's two more just name them two more
or don't name them all so Dave Matt and the rest
and the jest oh that's good yeah the jest you are the jest
of the program, right?
Of the program.
Would you call this a program?
Today, on today's program.
Let's get Craigman in the show.
I think it's got a big report and I think it's a really good one.
And holy shit, I'm nervous about it because it is, my brain was exploding.
You know, those ones where you're like following rabbits everywhere down the
holes, the rabbit holes.
Right.
And I was, you know.
Down the holes.
Oh, hang on.
So yeah, it's just a real, it was a bit of a sprawling thing.
I think I've found a few nuggets in this.
A few nugs.
A few little nuggies.
And, you know, delicious.
So let's get on with it.
Okay.
Can I ask you guys a question?
Well, we do always start with a question, so that would be traditional yes.
All right.
Well, this is basically asking the question, have you guys heard of this topic?
But I'll ask the question and see.
And you guys give me shit for not writing questions.
Well, I've written it.
All right.
That's wrong.
The words are here on the screen.
Yeah, no, I can't like you.
Because I hadn't heard of this at all.
Okay.
The question is, what secret department did Winston Churchill?
Churchill set up to help win World War II for the Allies.
Winnie Boys, the Winnie Blues.
That's a cigarette brand in Australia.
The Churchill Chaps.
Oh my God, I made that laugh.
You never made that laugh.
I saw his teeth.
I laughed all the time.
I did a web series show the other day.
I couldn't stop laughing.
I know. It was the best, game, gaming, game.
You really laughed.
That was nice.
I really laugh.
It's nice to see.
Actually, everyone, Kate Dennett and Evan Munnery Smith were all in fine form.
Yeah.
Making me bloody lull hard.
Dave, any idea?
Do you know it?
Have you heard of the Churchill Chaps?
Gallipoli 2.0, even more fucked than the first time.
Because that was all Churchill's fault.
Okay.
What was it?
Oh yeah, he plotted that and really fucked it.
Hmm.
Now, the topic as suggested.
Churchill Chaps.
This wasn't the official name, but this is sort of an unofficial name of it.
The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare.
Oh, that is a cool title.
You know what?
I'm going to, I'm going to admit that it's better than Churchill Chaps.
Wow.
I'm willing to admit that.
They took them both to focus groups, and they both polled well, but one polled better than the other.
Sure.
This has actually been suggested by a few different listeners, including Lourdes, Loribah, and Dolan.
But the reason I am doing this...
Sorry, Tudan.
Dave, if you could just let me finish
What is Laurel?
Well, it's someone, L-A-U-R-I-D-S.
L-A-U-R-I-D-S.
Lorid.
All right, okay, fair enough.
Carry on.
But the reason I'm doing this topic today, as I was saying,
is because it was put in the golden hat
by legendary listener and Patreon supporter,
Rowan Epstein.
Rowan!
Oh, Rowan, who we have met in real life.
We have.
and appreciated his company in real life.
Hopefully see you at the 100th episode, Rowan.
I feel like he'd be there.
If he can, if he's free and if he's available and he can make it,
I reckon he'll be there.
Thank you, Rowan.
Thanks so much for the suggestion.
Great suggestion.
So, yeah, he suggested it as the ministry.
Is it Epstein?
I think it's Epstein.
Okay, I'm sorry.
I was corrected on that recently, that spelling,
the E and the I.
Because I grew up in the electorate of Goldstein,
and we were shooting.
a show here with the member for Goldstein,
the federal member, Tim Wilson.
He was, he's shooting, and I'm like,
I grew up in Goldstein.
He's like, actually, it's pronounced Goldstein.
The Special Operations Executive is what it was more
officially known as.
So the S-O-E.
The Special Operations Executive.
Yeah, I can see why the Undeterminally Warfare
is really stuck.
Yeah.
It sounds like a movie franchise.
It's also, this is closer to what Jess is the same,
but some people have called it.
Churchill's Secret Army, which is pretty close to the Churchill Chaps, which I'm happy to go with, if you like.
I want to, yes, please.
The Churchill Chaps were formed when three secret British war departments merged after the start of World War II, so soon after the start.
These departments were...
How did they know of each other if they were all secret?
Well, the people from above were merging.
It was Churchill.
Oh, I'm sorry, Jess.
That's really...
Don't answer.
Seriously.
Jess never says anything.
serious.
So the first one was MIR, which was like M.I.6 and all that, you know, I didn't realize
there's M.I.6, M.I. 5. There's been a bunch of different ones.
M.I. R. M.I. is military intelligence and the R is research. Oh, fuck. Sorry.
No, that's right. I wouldn't have got that.
Which is a department of the war office that was charged with researching guerrilla warfare.
Also, Department E.H, which is named after the building it was set up in.
So it's pretty boring.
What should we call it?
Hey, that's fine, says EH.
Yeah, we got it.
Nailed it.
No one will ever know where our headquarters are either.
And that's lunch.
That was a propaganda organization, which was created by the foreign office.
And a company that's a whole job is to come up with, like, catchy slogans.
Let's call it EH.
E.H.
Great.
In.
And then thirdly, Section D, which I like.
I love Section D.
propaganda and sabotage arm of the Secret Intelligence Service,
aka A. S.I.S.
A. M.I.6.
I found it hard to say A.K.A. then.
That was interesting, wasn't it?
The things you learn about yourself.
Can't tell you. A.K.A. is part of the title of those.
A.M.I.6.
A.A. as in also known as Dave.
Keep up, man. Keep up, man.
But I was confused. I thought it was A.k.A. A.K.M.6.
also known as AKA AMI6.
Well, yeah.
As of now, it is.
A.k.a.k.a.k.a.a.m.
Oh, no.
Sail away. Sail away.
A.k.a. A.k.a.m. A.k.m.m. I'm so sorry.
Lennia there, Dave.
How that make you feel for our Irish listeners.
I'm so sorry.
Though there were some loose arrangements between the three departments,
like they were aware of each other, obviously.
They overlapped in objectives, you know,
at some objectives, and at times they even duplicated each other's work,
especially the propaganda work of Section D in Department E.H.
Following the resignation of Neville Chamberlain on May the 10th, 1940,
Winston Churchill became the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.
This is about nine months after Britain was already in World War II,
which I didn't realize, but I'm not so great with World War II stuff.
You are, Dave, though.
from memory.
You know a fair bit about it.
Oh.
You know much about Nev's work.
He sort of lost, he kind of lost,
he lost, he lost the confidence of the parliament and the people of it.
And that's what led to Churchill stepping up.
And you know what? It's just that he needed to just own it.
He did.
Just be more confident.
Just like fake it till you make it.
You know, you appear confident.
People have confidence in you.
Do you know what I mean?
I think I do.
Within a month of taking office, Churchill was working towards combining the three departments into one old super badass war organization.
After appointing his Minister of Economic Warfare, Hugh Dalton, with the responsibility of the new organisation, Churchill reportedly said,
and now set Europe ablaze.
That's like a famous quote of his about it, apparently.
It's a good one.
And now set Europe ablaze.
Sir, I just need to remind you that you are technically part of Europe.
Bonus down.
Stop.
Stop, this room we're standing in right now.
Have you got matches on you?
Let's go.
Because I'm an alcoholic and very flammable.
He was a big alcohol guy, wasn't he, Churchill?
I think so.
I think a big drinker, sorry.
Didn't mean a throw around.
Throw words like alcohol around like that.
That wasn't, that's not cool.
Takes one and no one.
Yeah.
On the 22nd of July 9th,
The Special Operations Executive was officially formed by Dalton with a charter to sabotage, conduct reconnaissance and espionage in occupied Europe and to help resistance movements on the ground.
Dalton is said to have used the IRAs work during the Irish War of Independence as a bit of a blueprint.
So, sorry, sabotage.
Sabotage.
Espionage.
And what was the middle one?
Conduct reconnaissance.
Nigel Farragise.
Nigel Farage.
Of those, sabotage,
Sabotage, reconnaissance and espionage.
What's your favourite?
Oh, there's three of them.
We can have one each.
Or reconnaissance is fucking boring.
I like, yeah, sabotage.
A lot more safe.
Yeah, which I feel like is you.
You'd be the safe one.
You're not going to go in for any espionage, are you?
How do you know I haven't been undercover this whole time?
Come on, mate.
Oh, no.
In that outfit.
It's just so crazy you might be believable.
No one would dress like that
Really?
No one would behave the way he does
Yeah, I reckon they would
In November 1940 is the Nazi Air Force
The Luftwaffe
It's great, great phrase isn't it?
It is great.
Luftwaffe
It's not quite right, is it?
I'm not doing quite nail it.
No, it's Luftwifer.
It's 99 Luftwaifer balloons.
As the Luftwaffe
was bombing Central London,
the special operations executive set up its headquarters in two flats on Baker Street.
Baker Street?
Oh no, that's not...
What was that, Chicago?
You go on?
I went the wrong way.
Yeah, that's what I was here for.
His face is the best.
When he converts it into a sax.
What does his lips do?
How do you make eye contact with us?
That was my impression of a man who hadn't played the saxophone in 50 years.
it up for the first time. I think I remember
a song.
And it was interesting,
so this is where they set up,
right, this is all interesting. I was going to
about to go off on a tangent. I've written so many.
I don't need to go off on to others.
From this base, they began to recruit
agents. According to
a Nigel Morris article for the BBC,
he said, senior staff at the
SOE were invariably ex-public
school and Oxbridge.
Which I didn't know what it meant.
I looked at up. Public school in the UK means
private school. So they're a wealthy
tough types. And
Oxbridge means Oxford and Cambridge.
So yeah, so they're all sort of the
exclusively educated
types. Because you can trust them because if they're
already rich, they're happy.
They're not going to, like they're not motivated
by money because they already have money.
Exactly. You can't like, you can't
bribe them because they're like,
that's pocket change for me. You're kidding?
I think of, yeah.
Well, that's just the top brass.
Anyway, that's the the offices and that sort of stuff.
But he goes on to say that the agents came from all walks
and included a former chef and electrician, several journalists,
and the daughter of a Brixton motor car dealer.
That's pretty cool.
It does say, at first I thought it was going to be like,
guys, we've got people from all walks of life.
Greg knows the chef.
His personal one.
Guys, he only just got into Oxford.
I really thought.
Like so, he's pretty average.
I really thought Jess, you might have the last one there.
It was...
She's the daughter of something.
This is a woman who probably...
She probably has her own things, but she's listed here because her dad sold cars.
So weird.
Oh, her dad did a job.
Oh, she's in.
It just seemed really funny to me.
Anyway, I noticed you looked straight at me and I was like...
Because normally whenever someone said, and his wife, you're going to like, what's the fucking wife's name?
So I thought it might have been a similar scenario, but I was wrong.
I had written in there, pause for Jess to go on rant.
The podcast will now be 10 minutes shorter than expected.
So anyway, it was a bit of a cross-section of society
As missions were undertaken behind enemy enemy lines
So this is what it was all about
It was about little guerrilla crews
Going behind enemy lines
And just fucking shit up
All right, so we've got Sarah here
Her dad owns a car dealership
How can we best use her skills
All right, we'll send her into Berlin
And she'll take a car for a spin
And when it's out
she'll put a bomb underneath it
yeah that'll work
does she speak German
no
don't need it
can she drive
nah
no no but her dad
her dad does
so
it's all about her dad
interestingly
you mentioned that
obviously it was important
that the agents
had a deep knowledge
of the country
where they would operate
they needed to speak
the language fluently
yeah she speaks car
right
she goes into the dealership
couldn't tag
and she just go
Brum brum, brum, brum, brum, brum.
Oh.
Welcome.
Welcome to my city.
Brum brum brum.
Do you spreckin the brum?
Conn's the brum sprecken?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
At this time, if they were dual citizens, that was saying as a real bonus, obviously, because you don't need a forward.
passports and documents that way.
The SOE was ahead of the game with its
use of women in armed combat.
Fuck off. As those sent
into the field were trained to use weapons
and in unarmed combat. But I mean
they're still wearing aprons while they do it, so it's okay.
But at the time, they would
normally make them wear two aprons. So it was
seen as being progressive, just
the one. And pretty dangerous too.
Of their 55
female agents that they had
over through the war, 13 were killed in
action or in Nazi concentration camps.
So that they were seeing active, dangerous action,
which across the rest of the army at that stage
wasn't happening as much, I believe.
Wow.
But like I say, I don't fucking know anything.
Hey, you were around.
What are you listening to me for?
I was around, but I was hiding in a bunker.
Real weird thing happened towards the end of the war.
This guy with a little mustache came in.
Couldn't understand a word he was saying.
But he was there with his niece.
Was he just?
I was fucking like nobody's business, I think.
I was trying not to look.
Anyway, ended up with a bullet in his brain.
Weird, weird chap, weird guy.
Was he brimming at you?
He was, um, evad brumming at me.
Wow.
Well, that's the best joke of the pot.
While this recruitment process is happening,
this guy that I like,
I like mainly, mainly for his name.
But he's also seems like a,
he's one of those classic war guys
that we've been talking about
through past episodes
where they're
just those
sort of
badass guys
his name
is Colonel Colin
Gobbins
which is pretty cool
Fuck yeah
Collins
are bad ass name
isn't it
Colin
Does the name of your car
Yes
And it's a pretty cool car
It's a cool car
The Gubbins
It was mainly the Gubbins
All right
Bad boys
Bad boys
What you're gonna do
Collins here
To fuck shit up
Not
Colin, he's got a real reputation.
Cubbins.
He was SOE's head of training and operations,
and he started turning properties and mansions across the UK
into agent training bases.
So according to Morris, new agents were taught how to kill with their bare hands,
how to disguise themselves, how to derail a train,
and even how to get out a pair of handcuffs with a piece of thin wire and a diary pencil.
If an agent survived these tests and a grueling parachute course, they were ready to go.
They love parachutes in this, a lot of parachuting in.
A lot of these missions were parachute in.
But not many parachuted out.
Which is interesting.
It was quite difficult, even with a pencil diary.
Yeah, they just didn't get it.
They taught and they taught real hard.
They taught hard.
Colin, he teaches hard.
Yeah.
I love the idea that they think that they'll always have a diary pencil on hand.
It's like, well, when you're in hand,
cuff, they'll expect you to keep a journal.
It's very difficult to write.
Do diary, day three.
Still cuffed.
Hang on.
It's been in my hands all along.
SOE also employed scientists to invent weapons of war in what Morris describes as the
007 factor.
Unigrad's working for the SOE invented devices such as the single-shot cigarette pistol
and the Sleeping Beauty, which was a sub-o-o-7 factor.
Mercable canoe.
Soe workshops also created
Carborundum,
which was an abrasive grease
that could bring a steam train
to an immediate standstill.
How?
What?
How?
They invented carburendum.
Grease.
It was a type of grease that's going to stop it.
But it was abrasive grease.
So apparently if there was a certain way
that they rubbed it under the tracks.
Rub it the wrong way, eh?
Yeah, you're going to rub it the train the wrong way.
And you'll stop it dead and it's a train.
Wow. That's fascinating.
Yeah. So yeah, it's sort of fun. Like all these just like going, invent some cool shit.
They also had a camouflage section, which was run by a film director named Elder Willis.
I can see you! You have failed!
He oversaw a team of movie prop makers.
I love it. It's just people from Ever are coming in.
Many simple yet ingenious items were created, such as a...
fake tree trunk mold that could conceal radio equipment and fake camel shit that was actually
a booby trap.
Okay.
It looks like camel shit and you drop it in the, you know.
What in Berlin?
In Berlin.
Downtown Berlin with camels.
And then what?
Somebody goes over and's like, huh, let me inspect this pile of camel shit?
No, it's like, you know, like a mine.
So you'd put camel shit on the road in cars or whatever, happy to drive over them.
Bang.
Now, what they'd really do is they'd get camel shit, and inside there'd be dog shit.
So the people inspecting the camel shit, they'd be like, this is this is dried up.
They'd pick it up, it would crumble, and then they'd get dog shit on their shoes.
And then the dog shit would crumble, and it'd be human shit.
Their own somehow.
And I'd freak them out, and they'd be like, oh, I'm out.
It's trippy.
How would they know it was their own shit?
Oh, you don't know your own shit?
Yes, I could recognise my shit in the line up of 100.
You could, Dave.
I'll
Someone will lead me blindfolded to a mystery location
So I don't recognise where I am
I'll shit
I'll trust you to lead me to a safe place
I will shit into a receptacle
You can take a photo of it
I don't want to do that
And then we'll swap it in with 99 other photos
And I'll be able to pick mine
Okay I'm
To prove
That World War II exists
Hey he's dedicated to the cause
And I appreciate that
But I'm I shuck and not taking a picture of Dave's shit
Right, Matt will take the photo, Jess will hold the receptacle.
Damn it!
The...
This tiny tush.
The...
It's a plastic bag.
It'll have to be...
It'll have to be pretty accurate.
Does that make sense?
It'll have to be...
Or a large receptacle.
Either all.
Stop.
But don't tell me what you're planning, because I don't want to recognise it.
All right.
I appreciate science.
I'm like you.
Yeah, Jess, wake up.
Sorry.
You're right.
You love poo, chat.
Matt, who go on?
The Secret Intelligence Service, now known as the MI6,
viewed SOE with great suspicion.
The head of the Secret Intelligence Service, Sir Stuart Menzies,
wasn't into the work of the SOE at all.
He would describe them as amateur, dangerous, and bogus,
and campaigned internally against them.
But as they were the baby of Prime Minister Churchill,
they were...
Give it a free pass.
They were...
As long as Churchill was in charge,
they were all good.
Churchill's chaps.
They're the chaps after all.
And?
Chapettes.
Chapets.
So, so.
Chapinas.
Chapinas.
The SOE.
It's got three, three spy
military organizations, but not MI6.
No, not MI6.
Well, those are sort of all dissolved into this one.
So it's now the one thing.
MI6 is still separate already establishing.
And they're criticizing it.
Right.
They're not in it.
Because I mean, to them, it's like, because they are amateurs.
They're literally amateur.
They're not living, they are getting paid or wage.
They're literally not amateurs, but they're not well trained.
Right.
They're like film directors.
Yeah, that's right.
The SOE undertook, or the Chaps undertook missions right across the war in numerous countries.
One example, I'm going to go into a few of them,
because I thought maybe it was the best way to talk about it.
There were hundreds of missions.
So I've just picked out a few to talk about,
and hopefully that'll give you a bit of an idea.
So one example was Operation Josephine B,
also known, apparently, as Operation Josephine.
So like, anyway, it's like a couple of wildly different names there.
Seems confusing.
If there are no other lettered Josephine, let's just call...
I reckon the MI6 is right.
These are a bunch of amateurs.
So this was in 1941.
It was jointly organized with Free France, which I hadn't heard of.
You know Free France?
It was the name of the French government in exile, led by Charles de Gaul, which was set up in London in June 1940.
Charles de Gaul being the big train station in Paris, one of them.
You mean airport?
Airport.
Fuck.
So this mission was jointly organized with Free France, and the aim of the mission was to blow up the Passack Power Station, which was an important piece of information.
which was an important piece of infrastructure for the axis of evil.
The station was difficult to reach by air,
but the plan was to drop a small team nearby via parachute.
Oh, the traditional method, subtle.
From there?
Yeah, they're never looking at the skies.
Never.
Looking at the ground.
Look at their bloody phones.
They'll be digging up through the ground like moles at any second.
Nah, we're dropping from the skies.
From there, they would break into the station,
leave bombs with delayed timers,
uh, destroying the bloody giant.
That's the plan, right?
You feel on sorry for the...
Tell me you're not feeling any sympathy for the...
The axes of evil.
Jess?
I mean, they've got families.
Yeah, Nazi families.
Nazi children.
Nazi dogs.
I had a customer the other day
at my job whose name was swastika.
No.
Yeah.
First name.
First name.
And I was like, I definitely heard that wrong.
So later in the conversation, I was like, I'm sorry, what was...
What was your name?
Can you spell that for me?
And it was swastika.
What was this her name?
Smith?
That's definitely, that's someone who's chosen it for himself.
Do you reckon?
Yeah, there's no way that parents would have named you right.
And you grew up and don't go, I'm changing that name.
That's someone who's definitely picked it from.
I think it was a cultural thing.
But, yeah, you would think you would change your name.
The team was made up of six Polish volunteers who were trained up for the mission.
They set off from a Royal Air Force.
based near Chichester in West Sussex, but due to a technical fault, a bunch of their equipment
was accidentally dropped over the Loh River, the Lour in France.
It's like a big river there.
I've never seen, how would you say that?
Loh.
The Loh.
Dropped over the Loh in France, and they had to turn back.
The mission was off to a poor start, you could argue.
I will argue.
Okay, we'll argue after I say, I only got worse when their plane crashed landed on their
turn killing some crew and wounding all the volunteers.
Laughed a little bit too early then.
Yes, you did.
Yes, you did.
I hear playing crash and I think this is going to end very fun, Ollie.
What a mess.
Oh, no.
Yeah, so that was just a big old failure.
So a second team was put in place.
They were keen to make this happen, obviously.
This time with free French forces, so people from the French nationals,
including Sergeant J. Foreman,
sub-lieutenant or sub-lieutenant, or sub-lieutenant,
Raymond Cabard
and sub-Lieutenant
or lieutenant
Andre Varnia
aka Jacques LeBlanc
I was gonna say
these are the least French names ever
until the AKA came in
Jacques
First guy's name was John Foreman
Jay Foreman
Initial J. I reckon I was short for Jacques
John Foreman
What was the last name? Jacques Lebonne
Jacques LeBlanc
Love it
Love that
Which means the white
The black
for white.
That's white.
Long light.
So that was selected for the mission.
So a small team of three this time instead of the six initially.
You could say that's half the size of the team.
It's half the size.
They're downsized for sure.
Who's getting better at math?
Not me.
Yeah, you're right.
No, you did real well there, Jess.
Thank you.
So they were sent to Station 17 for training in industrial sabotage
by inventor, engineer and soldier,
Cecil Vanderpier-Clark.
Oh, the clock ruined a little bit, didn't it?
CVC.
I'm just going to call him Cecil.
Yeah.
He was an interesting guy, the Cecil guy, an inventor, an engineer, a soldier.
This guy did it all, and he was one of the big dogs.
A lover.
In the chaps.
No doubt about that.
Yeah, it was an interesting guy.
He grew up in London and was known to his friends as Nobby.
In between serving...
Known to his very close friends as Nobby.
In between serving in the first and...
Second Wars.
He worked as a director at a motoring company in Bedford where he registered patents relating
to engine design.
He's somewhat of a go-getter, the engineering kind of guy, inventing.
Very industrious.
This guy had it all.
Soon after, he designed his own engine, but shelved the project when he realized big company.
He shelved the project.
Wow.
Up the butt.
Is that what you're saying?
Yeah.
An entire engine.
Entire engine.
Up the butt.
Up the butt.
He became more machining.
than man.
And that's where it took a real turn.
It's a different time, wasn't it?
He started speaking car.
But none at his mouth.
Let me just say that.
Out of his butt?
Yeah, brum, brum, brum, brum.
Brum, indeed.
So he shelved that project
because he realized that larger companies
would be able to make it happen
more economically than he could.
He then started his own company
designing trailers and caravans as well.
And the editor of the Caravan and Trailer magazine
met with Cecil for an interview and later described his first impressions of the inventor
saying, Clark at once fascinated me. He was a very large man with rather hesitant speech,
who at first struck me as being amiable, but not outstandingly bright. The second part
of this impression did not last long. Right, so he was bright. He was bright. There's got to
be, right? He's inventing all this stuff. But he doesn't seem bright. He didn't say it because
he's the way he talks slow and stuff. Sounds like someone else we know. Doesn't it, Dave. Talks
It's low.
Amiable, but not bright.
You know?
Yeah, a big man.
Big man.
Large.
It's on the tip of my tongue.
Is it the guy, um...
Is it Arnold Schwarzenegger?
Yeah, that's who we're talking about.
I was going to say the guy who was once California's governor.
His biggest claim to fame.
Yeah.
Yeah, you know him from that?
Yeah.
Arnold Schwarzenegger, the politician.
Yeah, the politician.
The famous American politician.
He had an affair with his nanny.
Yeah.
From Flushing Queens.
She was there to sell maker, but they saw more.
A lot more.
She had style.
Mr. Chef.
Mr. Schwarzenegger.
This probably...
Oh, Ms. Fine.
That was my army.
This podcast hasn't gone to the bloody depths of comedy.
It's fine.
He writes Broadway musicals.
But he was never...
He could never quite reach the hearts of...
Andrew Lloyd Webber.
He had a big rival
Andrew Lloyd.
Him and Arnold Schwarzenegger.
So this all probably seems like a bit of a weird tangent.
I don't know if you noticed that I just started going into a backstory.
Oh, about the trailer man?
Yeah.
Cessel.
Cecil and McCrae, the editor, would meet again in 1939.
At this point, McCray was now editor of a popular science magazine.
He'd moved up from the caravans and trailers magazine.
Dream job, by the way.
Do you think the background there was that there was a caravan magazine
and a trailer magazine?
They didn't have enough market, so they merged.
I think that's what happened.
I would like to say that as a fact.
The 30s were a different time.
Trailer mag.
McCray contacted Cecil
after being contacted himself by Major
Millis Rowland,
Jefferis of the War Office.
Jefferis. I heard your teeth click then.
Jeffers.
And this guy had read an article in McRae's
Science magazine about powerful magnets.
The major wanted McCray to create a kind of explosive that could be magnetically adhered to things like ships under the water.
And McCrae asked Cecil to help make this happen.
A magnetic explosive.
Yeah.
So it could, you know, just stick it under big warships.
Cecil agreed and they set to work.
Does that make sense as a phrase?
Yeah.
Great.
Making prototypes.
Big.
Amiable, not that bright
Needs encouragement
So they started making prototypes
With large tin bowls
Poules purchased from a local department store
And it was actually Woolworths
But anyway
And using porridge in place of explosives
In the early things
That sort of sounds more like they're making breakfast to me
Porridge in
In bowls
The part of explosives will be played by
Porridge
But that's not how you make explosives
Suicide Baba rips over their jacket
And they're just covered in porridge
They're damp with porridge
Give me the castor everyone dies
Sir, are you covered in porridge?
Did you spill your breakfast?
Do what he says. Do what he says.
He looks unhinged.
They're rolled oats.
Roll dates.
Right notes.
Anyway, they kept working on it
and eventually invented this new kind of mine
and named it the limpet mine
after the sea snail
known for its ability to adhere to rocks.
So quite similar to the bombs, obviously, in that way.
The Limpid mines also had a delay mechanism
so that after it had been put in place,
the soldier would have time to get away before the explosion.
And that is where the sea creature and the mines differed.
Sea creature had no timer.
You wrote that joke, didn't you?
You fucking wrote that down.
Yeah, I wrote that one down.
The sea snail didn't have a delay mechanism,
nor did they explode, admittedly.
Oh, two differences.
Yeah.
Yeah, it was interesting.
Wait, wait.
When you wrote that today, presumably, did you...
I wrote two jokes in this report.
That was the first of them.
Oh, there's another one coming.
Yeah, I can't remember where, but there was...
That was a two-part of there.
Soon after the limpets had been invented and manufactured...
Manufactured?
World War II broke.
So I've taken you back a step.
Oh, it broke.
Also, they're preparing for World War II.
This is before...
Yeah, the army came and they sort of know shit's going down, you know, pre-World War.
It broke.
How are they going to stick it back together?
A bit of sticky tape.
The World War.
When you break your mum's vase.
Vase.
The Olympic mines were used in many raids in the war, including Operation J-WIC.
In September 1943, a small team of Allied commandos raided Japanese shipping in Singapore Harbour.
paddling into the harbour, then placing the mines onto multiple ships,
sinking or seriously damaging seven Japanese ships.
Nice one.
So these things that started with bowls of porridge ended up like having...
Sinking ships.
Sinking ships.
Okay, well, I've had balz of porridge that have had a similar effect on me.
Blue slips sink ships.
If you fill those lips with porridge, you're going to be sunk.
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
That's how the same goes.
It is there.
Anyway, back to Operation Josephine B, which...
Oh my God, we started talking about 14 minutes ago.
So the three-man team from Free France were sent to Station 17 for training under Cecil.
So this is second plan, second group, because the Polish people crashed.
Yes, the Polish people crashed.
This is Team 2, the French.
And under Cecil, they learnt well, and they set off on the night of May 11th, parachuting in.
They hid their container of equipment, which included these smaller shape-charged limpets that Cecil taught them how to use it, I assume.
I don't know that for sure, but I guess so.
The plan was to obtain bicycles to make a silent getaway.
But when they were unable to do so, they couldn't source bicycles.
And they also found that the perimeter wall was harder to get over than first thought.
You certainly couldn't ride a bicycle over it.
Because there was a high-voltage wire inside the top of the nine-foot wall.
So you had to scale this quite large wall
And then there was a high voltage
Electric wire that you had to
Somehow get over as well
So they kind of got a bit disheartened
Remember this is the power station
We're trying to blow
Yeah, that was so long ago that I mentioned that
That you might have forgotten
But that's what they're trying to do here
They're trying to fuck that shit up
So they were a bit disheartened by these setbacks
And the three Frenchmen
Abandoned the emission
And set off for Paris
Well we will do
Which was, you know, Nazi occupied, I'm pretty sure.
Wasn't it?
Yeah, it was, wasn't it?
Yes, but depending on what period.
Yes, it must be then, this period then.
Yeah.
So, one of the men, Sergeant J. Foreman, the most French of LaMole.
John Foreman.
Forman.
He'd been given an address to go to, if need be, in Paris, where allies would be.
and at that address he met Joel LaTac, a member of the Free Franch.
He had recently had to abandon a mission himself.
This is old mate LaTac.
He had to abandon a mission himself recently because of outdated intel.
So when he heard that they had abandoned their mission for like kind of less concrete reasons,
he rallied the team and convinced them to head back and complete their mission.
Guys, it's just a wall.
He also went along with them to make sure it happens.
So all of a sudden, now the team is four.
The new plan was to commandeer a truck to head up to Passack, where the power plant was.
But when the truck broke down, they had bicycles instead.
So they had bicycles, and they rode there,
found the explosive where they'd hidden them a while back now, nearly a month ago,
and found they were still in working order.
Still good to go.
On the night of June 7th, almost a month after they,
they had initially meant to carry out the mission
that were going to have a crack.
Sergeant J. Foreman scaled the perimeter wall
and was able to make it over
while avoiding contact with the electric wire.
He was then able to let the rest of the team in
with their explosives by opening a door.
Hmm. Hmm.
It's good stuff. It's good plan.
It's because of the training of Colin that he was like,
I know what to do here.
I'm going to open that door.
I'm used to several different types of handle.
Wood, ivory.
and one other.
But I'll never tell.
That's this organisation's greatest secret.
That's it.
The bombs were put in place in under half an hour
and the four men made their getaways via the bicycles.
The four men including four men.
Four men including four men.
I was thinking the same thing, DW.
Oh my God.
So they set the bombs, set the timers.
Get on their bicycles.
Got on their bicycles.
And as they're riding away,
awesome.
Behind them, the sky's lit up with.
the explosions.
It was a success.
Wow.
Which is just an image that I love.
These guys peddling fuss.
Yeah, rooting in their little bells.
I like to imagine there's a basket on the front of one of them
and they've got a baguette in there, you know, for later.
That was when I was in France, I've been a couple of times.
That was the one like old school bad French cliche that is true.
There's people walking around with baguettes everywhere.
No berets.
No berets.
No blue and white horizontal strut.
shirts.
No red bandanas.
A lot of baguettes, though.
But baguettes are everywhere, which was the best because I fucking love them.
My friends.
Like mustard and some sort of a cheese.
So much cheese.
We just ate a lot of, like, we'd get a baguette and some brie and just like, sit.
We had a baguette fight underneath the Eiffel Tower while wearing berets.
You guys are the worst.
You're the worst kind of Australia.
You could really get arrested for that.
Yeah.
They did not take kindly to that.
Nah.
Look at those clearly foreign people.
Yep.
Look at those
Taking the piss out of us.
Tourist assholes.
And our great proud culture.
Yeah.
Now come over here and fight me with that baguette.
Six of the intended eight transformers were destroyed.
And as a result, work at the enemy's U-boat base.
U-boats are the German submarines.
What they call them, yeah.
So that their U-boat base in Bordeaux was severely hampered,
as was an electric train system in the southwest of France.
which had to be replaced entirely by steam trains.
So it was just, they wiped out the use of a whole train system.
That is great.
And now they just put the little bit of grease on the track.
Suddenly the steam trains stop.
Steam trains are just so pretty, you know?
Terrible for the environment.
Something quite beautiful about them,
except the bad for the environment bit.
Yeah, you know?
You don't get that an electric train.
Yeah, electric trains just don't sound like owls.
No.
You know when the electric train goes past and goes like,
Oh, I hate that.
Give me a hoot, hoot any day.
Give me a hoot any day.
Okay.
So the mission was a success.
That's great.
I love it.
Mission codenamed Josephine B.
Josephine B.
Or possibly just Josephine.
So from there, the team were ordered to head for Spain.
They asked to be come and collected by a submarine or something.
The original plan was that they were going to be come and picked up.
been a submarine or something and taken back away.
But they missed that chance when they fled to Paris.
And this time around, they just said, no, you make your own way to Spain, please.
Which they did, but they took their time around two months enjoying their journey,
reportedly spending 250,000 francs along the way, which is over 100,000 grand in today's money.
How?
How?
How?
In two months.
$100,000?
$100,000.
$100,000?
Did I say $100,000?
Sorry about that.
Take the grand bit out.
Just a hundred a thousand.
That's still a lot of...
That's a shit load of money.
We're at four people just...
I love that idea.
I reckon we could do it.
And everyone back at home is just not like rationing like crazy.
Yeah, I don't...
That's interesting how do they get that money?
But I think...
It's probably like a...
It's probably like emergency money.
It's probably like emergency money.
Yeah.
And they're just like, well...
This is an emergency.
It's World War II.
Yeah.
If you need to put down a deposit on a home as an emergency,
here is a secret fund.
Sub-Lutentant
Raymond Kabbar was captured on the journey back to Spain
But the other three made it to Spain
And eventually back to England
They spent his share of the money
But Kabad escaped as well
And ended up back with the SOE 2
In the aftermath of the mission
So that's all fun
Everything up to that point is a good amount of fun
Uh-oh
But as it often happens
The Nazis come in
And make it all a little less fun
I always ruin it.
In the aftermath of the mission, the Nazis, they didn't take it well.
And they didn't know how it happened.
So they took it out on the locals.
There were fines, 250 locals were jailed, and a curfew was imposed.
9.30 p.m. till 5 a.m. lockout laws.
Sydney all over again.
Sydney all over again.
I think that's even harser than Sydney's, I think.
And a dozen German soldiers who were on duty guarding the station at the time were shot.
That is harsher than Sydney.
That is a little harsher than Sydney.
When news of the success of the mission reached Britain,
Hugh Dalton,
the one of the top dogs.
Yeah, one of the top dogs.
He's in Parliament,
but he's the guy that Churchill gave the responsibility
for this whole thing too.
Hugh Dalton passed the news on to the PM Churchill,
writing,
We may therefore take it as practically certain
that three, obviously four,
It doesn't matter.
He thinks it was three, but it was four.
That three men dropped from an aeroplane have succeeded in destroying an important industrial target.
This strongly suggests that many industrial targets, especially if they cover only a very small area,
are more effectively attacked by special operations executive methods rather than air bombardment.
Oh, right.
So you saw that as, it's like, oh, this is good for us.
This is a big win for the SOE.
The triumph of the mission helped prove that guerrilla operations like this could be.
play a key role in disrupting the German war machine and lead to many, many more similar
initiatives.
So that's that one.
Here's another one.
Do you want to hear about another one?
Nah.
I'm in.
That could really be the episode, but I've got some more.
Yeah.
Another one that were involved in was called Operation Anthropod.
Anthropoid?
Anthropoid.
Anthropoid.
That's how Shineberg would say it.
The target of this one was Reinhardt.
Hydrick.
You're familiar with him?
No, but I like his name.
Rinehard.
He was the target of it.
I don't think we like this person.
Adolf Hitler described him as the man with the iron heart.
Whoa, Hitler said that about him.
Yeah.
And Hitler, not the warmest guy, is he?
No, he was a real bad guy.
So that language is a little bit soft.
He was a c-h-ha-ha-ha-ha.
Strong word.
Wow.
Haven't had one of those for a while.
Amongst...
Well, two episodes.
Amongst many other roles, he was in charge of the Aynsten Gruppen,
which was a special task force that followed behind the German armies,
gassing and shooting everyone in their wake.
Oh.
Including over 2 million people, 1.3 million of them being Jews.
Whoa.
He was like a massive...
I mean, I'm not telling you any...
anything you don't know, this high-up Nazi was a fuckhead.
Uh-huh, uh-huh.
Hydric had...
Controversial opinion there?
Controversial, sure.
Hydric had been sent to Prague in what was then Czechoslovakia on September the 27th, 1941,
and he was appointed Deputy Reich Protector of the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia.
Oh, God, put that on a business card.
Fucking hell.
That was, you know, that's that area.
Bohemia is sort of like takes in a bunch of that sort of space.
Bohemia sounds nice.
You know?
It is.
It is.
It is.
It is now.
Under Nazi rule, it probably wasn't.
Probably was nice before they came along too, yeah.
Yeah.
The actual head Reich protector, Constantine von Neurath, was officially still the head of the region, but it was in name only.
And he was sent on leave because Hitler Himmler, Himmler.
Heinrich Himla, yeah.
And Hyderick felt that he was too soft on the Czech.
Whoa.
Upon his appointment, Hydrick reportedly said,
we will Germanize the Czech vermin.
He began suppressing Czech culture, like almost instantly,
closing down any sort of avenues which the Czech people would express their cultural identity,
different cultural organizations, those sort of thing.
Podcasts, for example.
Podcasts, would be one of the, he probably would have done that, yeah, I reckon.
Podcasts would probably want, yeah, I wonder how that would work.
Anyway, he also began executing members of the Czech resistance,
Within three days of his arrival in Prague, he had organized the execution of 92 people.
According to Hydric's own estimate, more than 4,000 people were arrested in his first four months.
Many were executed and others were sent to concentration camps,
and he quickly earned the nickname, the Butcher of Prague.
Oh, that's not a good nickname at all.
And you know I love nicknames, but I don't like that one.
Yeah, this guy just feels like pure evil.
Yeah.
So I guess that's part of the reason why he became a target of SOE's Operation Anthropo.
But he also would be the inspiration for Hydra in Captain America?
Yeah, I think, I think, who was it, Red Skull?
Is that based on someone from, I'm asking Dave?
I mean, look at me.
I haven't even seen the Captain America maybe.
Oh, man, you've got to see Captain America.
I'm sure he would have been based on some of the, maybe all of them or maybe one of them.
Maybe Himla.
Him was like, he was a comic book evil guy, really, wasn't he?
Dave, watch Captain America, please.
I'll do it for you.
Really good movie.
For no one else.
Anyway, the operation was the brainchild of Frenchek Moravich.
Some tough names in here, but you're doing really well.
But he's a good guy.
We're talking about it.
Anthropoid.
He's the anthropoid guy.
He was the head of the Czech intelligence services.
Moravich.
briefed Colin Gubbins, our man.
Colin.
Of the SOA, as we turned.
At this time, apparently, he was a brigadier.
And in charge of the Czech sections of the organisations.
Brigadier.
Gubbins was keen to help.
On your, Colin.
Moravec hand-picked a team of 24 from the 2000 available Czech soldiers based in Britain at the time.
And they went on to train at an SOE training camp in Scotland.
The main men were a Slovak named Joseph Gabchik
and a Czech named Carol Svoboda.
Look, obviously, I'm confident none of these names are quite right.
I'm having a crack, sorry for any offence caused.
The mission, if their families are listening,
could you at least get his fucking name right?
The mission was set to go down on the 28th of October 1941.
Czech, Czechoslovakia's independence day, I think.
But it was delayed when Svaboda suffered a head injury while training,
which meant he had to be replaced.
And a replacement was found, a man named Jan Kubus,
or Jan or Jan or Jan.
Kabchik and Kubus, along with a team of soldiers flew out from Britain to Czechoslovakia.
They had to wait a, that was delayed because he had to finish training.
this guy was stepping in.
He had to get trained up
and also they had to get
his forged documents ready
and stuff like that.
Sure.
All the paperwork.
All the paperwork.
And he had to give two weeks
notice at his last place
so they had to wait for him
to be able to start
and then training.
And then the week that they started
training there was a public holiday
so then they kind of push him back a day.
So yeah, but I mean it takes a while.
You know what it's like.
You know, admin, hey?
Red tape.
So they flew out to Czechoslovakia.
Once they had landed,
they headed to Pilsen.
which is where Pilsson of Beer is from.
And they contacted some embedded allies before heading to Prague,
where the assassination plot was meant to occur.
Uh-oh.
I don't like the word meant to in that sentence.
Words.
After abandoning a couple of planned attempts,
they settled in on a plan to kill Hydric while he was driving from his check home to Prague Castle,
which I think was his place of business.
Of course, he's got an evil lair.
Yeah, you're right.
Should see a photo of him.
He...
Prague Castle, Praxal.
There's a clue in that.
Yeah.
I think Prague Castle was already there before he...
Nope.
Praguesul.
Pretzel.
So that was his daily commute, you know, driving to the castle every day.
The pretzel.
Gabchik and Kubus chose a spot along the route where they knew he would have to slow down.
I was on a bend in the road, so they're like, this is where we're going to take him out.
On the 27th of May 1942 at 10.30 a.m., Hydrick and his driver left for the castle in his Mercedes convertible.
They were allegedly...
of the day, eh?
Convertible?
He's got a convertible.
Yeah.
Starting work at 1030, leaving the house at 10.30, so probably, you know, by the time you get to work, get your cup of coffee.
You get settled in.
Yeah.
Yeah, check your emails.
You're not starting, he's not starting proper work till at least quarter past 11 at the absolute earliest.
Yeah.
What a leisurely day.
I bet he knocks off early too, eh?
It's classic.
Three o'clock.
He's out the door.
So the car reached the curve a few minutes later and Gabchik jumped out in front of the car with his
Sten submachine gun.
Oof.
He attempted to open fire, but the gun jammed.
No.
Do you see they've been planning this for months?
What the plan is, jump in front of the car and start shooting.
What's the training?
Well, I mean, the parachuting.
The training should be how to get the gun to work.
And that hasn't worked.
That'd be a key bit of their training.
But maybe this next part was part of the training.
They stopped the car so that Hydric could shoot Gabchek.
with his pistol.
So, um,
yeah,
so the driver Klein stopped the car.
So they're like,
oh,
this idiot.
So he just stood up
with a pistol and shot him.
Uh,
that was the plan,
but before he could,
Kubus pulled out a grenade from his bag
and threw it at the Merck.
It went bang.
Oh my God.
Good throw?
It was a pretty good throw.
It sent shrapnel into Hydric,
but also into Cubus.
Uh,
from there,
there was a shootout before Cubus fled on bike.
Uh,
Hydrick's driver chased Gabchik on foot
till he cornered him in a butcher shop.
There, Gabchik turned around, shot him twice and escaped.
So he got away.
Oh, wow.
Gepchik and Kubus were shattered later.
They did both get away.
They were shattered later that the attack had failed.
Only it hadn't.
Hyderick was taken a hospital where it was found
that he had suffered major diaphragm, spleen and lung damage
and a fractured rib.
Hitler called him the man with the iron heart,
but he could now be more accurately called
the man with shrapnel in his spleen.
There it is.
There's number two.
Maddie, Maddie, which I guess is kind of similar.
He died from his injuries a week later,
so fucking suck it, you fuckhead.
A slow death, too.
Couldn't have happened to a nice guy.
A slow death.
It's bad, isn't it?
But I suppose he's so evil that you can.
feel good about his death.
As was the Nazis' ammo, they reacted badly and they received dodgy intel that the assassins
were from local villages Liddis and Lazzaki.
I'm so sorry, Czech people.
The Nazis destroyed both villages killing 5,000 people and sending most of the rest to
brutal Nazi concentration camps.
Fuck.
Wow.
That's awful.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So that's, it's sort of like.
yeah, there's no happy endings in this.
In World War II.
At least that...
Got it.
Got trapped.
Got trapped.
Is that what they say?
Yep.
There are many more missions that I could talk about.
The topic is obviously too big.
But these are just two small missions inside.
Well, I mean, these are two sort of prominent ones, but there are so many.
Should I talk about one more or what do you think?
Yeah, it'll be quick-ish.
Yeah, okay, I reckon one more.
All right, I'll talk about one more, and I'm not even, I won't even use my words.
There's a guy called Giles Milton who wrote a book about the SOE entitled,
The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare.
Oh.
You know, which is, you know,
Jiles.
Totally about this topic.
Jiles did, yeah.
Fuck, yeah, great name.
I bet he went to Oxbridge.
Yeah, I bet he did too.
And I think, I reckon because of this book, I don't know this for sure,
but I think he maybe kind of popularized that term a bit more.
and maybe the whole thing.
I'm guessing that's why people are suggesting this topic with that name is maybe because of this.
I'm not sure.
But anyway, I'm just going to read a little excerpt from...
A passage?
A little passage about one of the ministries, one of the chap's most important missions.
This is the words of Giles Milton.
Thank you. Take it away, Giles.
It was a few minutes before midnight and the moon was glancing brightly off the deep snow.
In the shadows of the ravine,
ten saboteurs could be seen
clambering up the sides of a near vertical cliff,
clutching at rocky outcrops and dangling spruce branches.
He writes a lot of flowing prose.
That's beautiful.
He's painting a picture.
A couple of rhymes in there.
Shakespeare.
In the distance was there.
Every time.
Never speak over Giles.
One rule of Giles.
You're right. Sorry. Continue, please, Giles.
I am Giles.
In the distance was their goal, the looming silhouette of the Norwegian hydro-norsk heavy water plant.
This state-of-the-art factory was of vital importance to the Nazi war machine.
The only place capable of producing the heavy water necessary for Hitler to build an atomic bomb.
Its destruction was so crucial to the Allied war.
You can do it.
I was going to say a fort.
Its destruction was so crucial to the Allied war effort,
Winston Churchill himself had ordered it to be given the highest possible priority.
The stakes could not have been higher.
If Hitler's scientists managed to build an atomic bomb, they would win the war.
But if the factory could be destroyed, then Hitler's atomic ambitions would be at an end.
For the mission, Gubbins, a man, colon, selected his Norwegian saboteurs,
from men who had fled to England following the Nazi invasion of their country.
Their leader was a bold 23-year-old named Roacham Ronenberg.
He and his comrades were trained by two key members of Goebbins,
Eric Bill Sykes and William Shanghai Buster Fairbann.
Oh my God, yes.
He's got two nicknames there, Shanghai Buster.
Shanghai Buster, that's his one nickname, he's the Shanghai Buster.
Fuck, that's good.
Who ran a secret killing school.
Oh, okay.
Oh, wow.
Oh, no.
At Arrasig House in the Scottish Highlands.
That was one of the triathes.
training camps for the
Wow.
Yeah,
Secret Killing school.
But yeah.
I don't like that.
It's pretty,
I mean, it's funny
because all of this is like,
from one side you're like,
it's obviously written as if
some of these people on the Allied team
were obviously probably a bit fucked as well.
Rondenberg's team was parachuted into the Hardinger Plateau.
Plato.
Landing in the teeth of an Arctic blizzard
within striking distance of Norsk Hydro.
Their sabotage mission got on
away 10 days later under the cover of darkness.
Darkness.
I really like this Giles character you're putting on.
The saboteurs clambered down into the vertiginous gorge below Norse Cardro and then began
their treacherous assent.
Unseen by the guards, they reached the plant's perimeter fence and after using bolt
cutters to gain access, they split into two pre-arranged groups.
One led by Ronenberg was to break into the plant and blow up the equipment.
The other was to provide cover against the Gestapo attack.
Roneberg crept through the ventilation duct and attached the explosives.
The charges that had been made at Brickentumbury Manor fitted like a glove he later said.
How good on him.
The saboteurs were still inside the plant.
Their stent guns trained on the German sentry posts when the explosives detonated.
The sausage-shaped charges were fabulously destructive.
imploding into the machinery and causing catastrophic damage.
By the time the alarm was raised,
the entire stock of Hitler's heavy water had drained away.
There was shots of Wiener everywhere.
The Norse-Hydro mission was textbook guerrilla warfare,
brilliantly planned and masterfully executed.
Even the Germans were impressed.
The commander of the German troops in Norway,
General von Volkenhorst,
expressed his admiration for the sabbatist's bravado,
calling it the most splendid coup of the war.
What?
What?
Hitler's atomic program had suffered a setback from which it would never recover.
Geez, I imagine Hitler wouldn't have loved that kind of feedback.
Especially when you used the English word splendid.
Yeah.
Well, I thought that coup was rather splendid Hitler.
Oh, dear.
I should have said that to your face.
Anyway, that's the end of the report.
I could have kept going and going.
Wow.
So many fascinating little stories in there across all of Europe and even around Japan.
I'm always a bit wary of romanticising war too much.
I don't know if I've done that in this episode.
Probably haven't.
Nah.
I think it's been, there's been some pretty real moments.
Yeah, but where are the fun facts?
They were all fun facts.
You hear about all the explosions?
The guy died.
The evil guy died.
The gun was jammed.
That is fun.
That is fun.
That cigarette lighter gun.
That cigarette lighter gun was fun.
The underwater canoe.
I don't know.
Hopefully, um, hopefully Rowan's happy with those ones.
We just want Rowan to be happy.
Yeah.
That's all I want.
Look, I also want everyone to be happy.
No, I just want.
Ron to be happy.
Fuck everyone else.
Wow.
And I'm happy and that's all I care about.
Well, you're involved in my one too.
Great.
By extension.
Matt and I win.
You're part of everyone.
In a way.
To me, I am everyone, so.
But thanks guys for listening.
Sorry if that was too brutal for you, Dave.
I know you don't like some of that war history.
Yeah, I have never done a World War II topic on this show, apart from the three Monty's.
We have done a few war ones now.
We also have Mad Jack.
We've done a few episodes.
We have done a few episodes.
This is nice something.
Yeah.
Because we're coming up to the 100th episode.
Yes, we are live September 16th.
Get your tickets now.
So excited.
Hey, we should, before we wrap up, we should probably thank a few of our patrons.
I think we definitely should.
You should tell people how to do that too, Dave, if they want to do it.
Well, if you want to support the show, say you've listened to every episode and you listen every week,
then maybe you would like to give back to the show that gives you.
you so much.
You can head over to...
We couldn't keep a straight face with that.
Sorry, I was really trying to be seriously, but I couldn't.
You can head over to patreon.com slash do go on pod.
And in exchange for a different levels of pledges, you get different levels of reward.
You get different levels of pleasures.
Yes.
And treasures.
Including bonus episodes.
That's one of the treasures.
Or we do updates and stuff on there.
Also, pre-sales to live shows and stuff that we do.
And also a shout out on the episode to say thank you to the individual people that keep the show running.
And I would like to thank if I could kick off.
Please do.
All the way from Lawrenceville, Georgia.
Georgia.
Where's that?
America, right?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, sorry, not Georgia, the country.
I'm assuming not.
Not Georgia next door to Russia.
Never know.
Could be.
Anyway, who's from Georgia?
I would like to thank he's the shield of this show.
It's Anthony Archield.
Archield of Shield.
He's our protector.
Thank you, Anthony.
Anthony holding up the fort in Lawrenceville, Georgia.
Appreciate your support.
I think Anthony.
I'd like to stay.
You're doing a lot of accidental rhymes.
To stay, if I may.
That was not accidental.
In the state.
I'd like to thank,
um,
Wow, this person, I hope they're listening on Ormond Beach, because that's where they're from.
Ormond Beach.
Was that a rhyme again?
No, you're just the worst.
Jess really hates thanking people.
She hates this segment so much.
But do you hate it?
I don't hate it.
You do.
You're so negative.
I love thanking people because I really, like, I think it's really amazing.
But you are just so, you can make a joke out of every single person's name.
And then I get to it, I'm like,
Thank you, Frank.
What Dave's joke just then, the one that really pushed you over the edge,
was...
I hope you're listening on the beach.
I hope you're listening at the place you're from.
Okay, I'm sorry, go.
Ormond Beach in Florida.
I would like to thank...
I'd like to thank Noah Vol.
Oh man, there would have been a few Ormond Beach Florida listeners sitting on the edge of the...
Here we go.
Is it me?
Is it me?
But no, it's Noah.
I'm afraid, unless you are Noah Vol, it's not your turn.
But please keep waiting on that.
pitch for us and thank you to Noah Vol.
Good job, Noah. Can I go next?
Yes.
Great. Jess will be like,
thank you too, blah, blah. Good night.
She's left.
She goes.
She's going, butabing, butaboon.
Learn from a professional kid.
No, it's not that I like thanking people.
I just find it kind of stressful to make a joke
or a pun with every single person.
I would just like to genuinely thank people.
I legit just read out the beach he was from.
I gave it as a bad example
because you normally, oh fuck, I don't know.
Anyway, keeping it within the States, interestingly, and within the Anthony's, because you had an Anthony.
I did Anthony, Archield, The Shield.
I also have an Anthony.
The Blue Wiggle.
Anthony, the Blue Wiggle, my favourite of the Wiggles.
But this Anthony is from Utah.
Give me two.
A Utah!
Meatball!
Give it two.
Great.
What a great movie.
Oh, it's amazing.
What is that?
Point break.
It's the original.
I don't know.
Maybe they said it in the new one.
Another great cameo was by the Red Art Chili Peppers singer.
What's his name?
Anthony Keatis.
Also in Anthony.
Anthony.
He goes, but that would be a waste of time.
That's not a favorite movie quotes.
That's a good quote.
But that would be a waste of time.
Well, from that Anthony to this Anthony, I hope Anthony Fenelius.
Oh, that's the best Anthony name of all.
That's a pretty good name.
I hope he's enjoyed point break and also do go on and supporting it.
Hey, Finelius.
Give me two.
Me ball.
Meepal!
And also, I would also like to thank, from Texas,
Wow.
Not an Anthony, but a Naomi Chapman.
Oh, good name.
Great name.
Thank you, Naomi.
She'd be a big fan of the chaps.
Oh, yeah.
She's a big chapman.
She's one of the original chaps.
Yeah, I bet she was related to one of the chaps.
Maybe Gubbins.
I guarantee she is.
Gubbins changes the name to Chaps.
Chapman soon after the war.
You must.
Chapman for life.
So thank you, Naomi and Anthony, for listening and supporting the podcast.
Hey, I'd love to bring us back to the home front and thank someone from our capital
territory, the Australian Capital Territory.
Canberra.
Well, that's inside the ACC.
I don't know.
I have time to explain everything about that, but I'd love to thank Laura Cotterill.
Laura.
Cotterol. My dad picks the fruit.
The ghost to coderol.
I went to codroll.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking as well.
That makes a lot more sense.
Doesn't make a lot more sense more.
Than cotties?
Yeah, well, I don't think Laura's giving me any sort of sick feeling, okay?
Maybe if that sick feeling is the sick feeling of being supported by a friend of the podcast.
Or the sick feeling of drinking way too much cordial.
Hmm?
Yeah, I should have diluted it a bit more.
So you just got to stop drinking it straight.
Thank you, Laura.
It makes you feel alive.
Thank you so much, Laura.
Hey, Laura.
Your legend.
I'd also love to thank from San Diego, a Wales vagina.
In California, Aaron Stosol.
Aaron.
Aaron.
Aaron Stosal.
San Diego.
San Diego.
Which I've heard is an amazing place.
My brother went there and said he just had the best time.
He said it was fucking sick.
Is that your impression of your brother?
He needed Codrell afterwards.
Oh.
No, that was.
That was just my impression of...
No, my brother would have said it like...
Tom.
Tom, he would have been more like...
Yeah, no, it was really great.
Yeah, I had a really good time.
Yeah, yeah.
But you knew what he meant.
I knew what he meant.
It was fucking...
It was hectic.
Bro?
Bro.
Thanks, Aaron.
Aaron Stozel.
I really like your name.
I hope I'm saying it right now.
Yeah, thanks Tom.
He doesn't listen.
My sister Alex does.
Hey, Alex.
Hi, Alex.
I know Alex.
We all know Alex.
I'd like to say hi to Tom for when he finally gets around to listening.
He'll get there.
Eventually.
So that's great.
I mean, I just, I'm super blown away all the time.
I'd write newsletters sporadically to the patrons,
and I think I probably go on about it too much.
But I'm so fucking blown away by the support of these mad dogs.
You guys are the best.
I think I love you.
Oh, wow, Matt.
Be cool.
Too soon.
Play cool.
Play cool.
Hey, cool, cool, cool, all right.
Aaron, no, Aaron, I just think, I just thought maybe, you know, we could see.
But maybe one day we could be mates.
There we go, smooth.
I'm going to come to San Diego.
No, no, no, no, you're on too weird.
Okay.
Okay.
If you're ever in sight.
Can I go to the Australian Capital Territory and visit Laura Cotterall?
No, you can't go to a house.
Not a house, maybe I just have her territory.
And then I'm going to piss in it, so now it's my territory, like a dog.
Yeah?
Yeah, like a mad dog.
All right, I want to wrap this up, guys.
Good call.
Good call, I reckon.
Thank you so much for listening, guys.
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We'll be back with a new report next week.
But until then, I will say goodbye.
Later.
Bye.
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