Do Go On - 93 - The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare

Episode Date: August 2, 2017

The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare (aka the Special Operations Executive or SOE). What was it? A secret World War II organisation and the brain child of then British Prime Minister Winston Churchil...l. This ep has it all, espionage, sabotage, reconnaissance and fuckhead Nazis. Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPoTwitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: dogoonpod@gmail.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Melbourne and Canada, we got exciting news for you. And we should also say this is 2026. Jess, what year is it? 2026. Thank God you're here. Right now, I'm in Melbourne doing my show with Serengy Amarna 630 each night at the Cooper's Inn Hotel, having so much fun. We'd love to see you there. Canada, we are visiting you in September this year.
Starting point is 00:00:20 If you've somehow missed the news, we are heading up Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal and Toronto for shows. That's going to be so much fun. Tickets for all this stuff, I believe, are online. And I'm here too. This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Warnocky and I'm here with Jess Perkins and Matt Stewart.
Starting point is 00:00:57 Hello. Hello. Good evening. It's really good to be here. A pleasure, as always. You know, I think some people think that this is your show and we're like sort of like permanent guest hosts. Recurring guests. Oh, that's good. Do anything that's weird? Dave, do you want to set the record straight now
Starting point is 00:01:12 and just let everyone know that Jess and I are as, if not more, important than you? Yeah, let them know that we're as, if not more, important than you. So you're co-stars. Is that what you want? Even slightly higher stars. No, no, no, no. I think the credits would go, do go on starring Dave Warnocky, co-starring Matt Stewart, special guest star. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:01:37 I want and introducing. Yeah. I want it. Every week. 100 weeks in a row. Could we do it like this? Starring Dave Warnocky, introducing Jess Perkins,
Starting point is 00:01:47 and as old man, Matt Stewart. That's great. My favourite ones are with the last bit of the credits. For some reason, the only one that says and as,
Starting point is 00:01:56 and their character name for some reason? I never got why that was. And as T.J. Swithers, Matt Stewart. You're like, what? Yeah. Who are the others?
Starting point is 00:02:03 And as old man. Now, I would like it to be the original Gilligan's Island star which is um and the rest the rest with two more people just say it so later on when the show got popular they changed and the rest to the professor and marianne but before that the professor and marianne with the rest oh that's brutal they've named six people and then there's two more just name them two more or don't name them all so Dave Matt and the rest
Starting point is 00:02:32 and the jest oh that's good yeah the jest you are the jest of the program, right? Of the program. Would you call this a program? Today, on today's program. Let's get Craigman in the show. I think it's got a big report and I think it's a really good one. And holy shit, I'm nervous about it because it is, my brain was exploding.
Starting point is 00:02:51 You know, those ones where you're like following rabbits everywhere down the holes, the rabbit holes. Right. And I was, you know. Down the holes. Oh, hang on. So yeah, it's just a real, it was a bit of a sprawling thing. I think I've found a few nuggets in this.
Starting point is 00:03:06 A few nugs. A few little nuggies. And, you know, delicious. So let's get on with it. Okay. Can I ask you guys a question? Well, we do always start with a question, so that would be traditional yes. All right.
Starting point is 00:03:18 Well, this is basically asking the question, have you guys heard of this topic? But I'll ask the question and see. And you guys give me shit for not writing questions. Well, I've written it. All right. That's wrong. The words are here on the screen. Yeah, no, I can't like you.
Starting point is 00:03:31 Because I hadn't heard of this at all. Okay. The question is, what secret department did Winston Churchill? Churchill set up to help win World War II for the Allies. Winnie Boys, the Winnie Blues. That's a cigarette brand in Australia. The Churchill Chaps. Oh my God, I made that laugh.
Starting point is 00:03:55 You never made that laugh. I saw his teeth. I laughed all the time. I did a web series show the other day. I couldn't stop laughing. I know. It was the best, game, gaming, game. You really laughed. That was nice.
Starting point is 00:04:08 I really laugh. It's nice to see. Actually, everyone, Kate Dennett and Evan Munnery Smith were all in fine form. Yeah. Making me bloody lull hard. Dave, any idea? Do you know it? Have you heard of the Churchill Chaps?
Starting point is 00:04:21 Gallipoli 2.0, even more fucked than the first time. Because that was all Churchill's fault. Okay. What was it? Oh yeah, he plotted that and really fucked it. Hmm. Now, the topic as suggested. Churchill Chaps.
Starting point is 00:04:34 This wasn't the official name, but this is sort of an unofficial name of it. The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare. Oh, that is a cool title. You know what? I'm going to, I'm going to admit that it's better than Churchill Chaps. Wow. I'm willing to admit that. They took them both to focus groups, and they both polled well, but one polled better than the other.
Starting point is 00:04:55 Sure. This has actually been suggested by a few different listeners, including Lourdes, Loribah, and Dolan. But the reason I am doing this... Sorry, Tudan. Dave, if you could just let me finish What is Laurel? Well, it's someone, L-A-U-R-I-D-S. L-A-U-R-I-D-S.
Starting point is 00:05:18 Lorid. All right, okay, fair enough. Carry on. But the reason I'm doing this topic today, as I was saying, is because it was put in the golden hat by legendary listener and Patreon supporter, Rowan Epstein. Rowan!
Starting point is 00:05:33 Oh, Rowan, who we have met in real life. We have. and appreciated his company in real life. Hopefully see you at the 100th episode, Rowan. I feel like he'd be there. If he can, if he's free and if he's available and he can make it, I reckon he'll be there. Thank you, Rowan.
Starting point is 00:05:47 Thanks so much for the suggestion. Great suggestion. So, yeah, he suggested it as the ministry. Is it Epstein? I think it's Epstein. Okay, I'm sorry. I was corrected on that recently, that spelling, the E and the I.
Starting point is 00:06:02 Because I grew up in the electorate of Goldstein, and we were shooting. a show here with the member for Goldstein, the federal member, Tim Wilson. He was, he's shooting, and I'm like, I grew up in Goldstein. He's like, actually, it's pronounced Goldstein. The Special Operations Executive is what it was more
Starting point is 00:06:20 officially known as. So the S-O-E. The Special Operations Executive. Yeah, I can see why the Undeterminally Warfare is really stuck. Yeah. It sounds like a movie franchise. It's also, this is closer to what Jess is the same,
Starting point is 00:06:34 but some people have called it. Churchill's Secret Army, which is pretty close to the Churchill Chaps, which I'm happy to go with, if you like. I want to, yes, please. The Churchill Chaps were formed when three secret British war departments merged after the start of World War II, so soon after the start. These departments were... How did they know of each other if they were all secret? Well, the people from above were merging. It was Churchill.
Starting point is 00:07:00 Oh, I'm sorry, Jess. That's really... Don't answer. Seriously. Jess never says anything. serious. So the first one was MIR, which was like M.I.6 and all that, you know, I didn't realize there's M.I.6, M.I. 5. There's been a bunch of different ones.
Starting point is 00:07:18 M.I. R. M.I. is military intelligence and the R is research. Oh, fuck. Sorry. No, that's right. I wouldn't have got that. Which is a department of the war office that was charged with researching guerrilla warfare. Also, Department E.H, which is named after the building it was set up in. So it's pretty boring. What should we call it? Hey, that's fine, says EH. Yeah, we got it.
Starting point is 00:07:42 Nailed it. No one will ever know where our headquarters are either. And that's lunch. That was a propaganda organization, which was created by the foreign office. And a company that's a whole job is to come up with, like, catchy slogans. Let's call it EH. E.H. Great.
Starting point is 00:08:00 In. And then thirdly, Section D, which I like. I love Section D. propaganda and sabotage arm of the Secret Intelligence Service, aka A. S.I.S. A. M.I.6. I found it hard to say A.K.A. then. That was interesting, wasn't it?
Starting point is 00:08:19 The things you learn about yourself. Can't tell you. A.K.A. is part of the title of those. A.M.I.6. A.A. as in also known as Dave. Keep up, man. Keep up, man. But I was confused. I thought it was A.k.A. A.K.M.6. also known as AKA AMI6. Well, yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:36 As of now, it is. A.k.a.k.a.k.a.a.m. Oh, no. Sail away. Sail away. A.k.a. A.k.a.m. A.k.m.m. I'm so sorry. Lennia there, Dave. How that make you feel for our Irish listeners. I'm so sorry.
Starting point is 00:08:53 Though there were some loose arrangements between the three departments, like they were aware of each other, obviously. They overlapped in objectives, you know, at some objectives, and at times they even duplicated each other's work, especially the propaganda work of Section D in Department E.H. Following the resignation of Neville Chamberlain on May the 10th, 1940, Winston Churchill became the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. This is about nine months after Britain was already in World War II,
Starting point is 00:09:25 which I didn't realize, but I'm not so great with World War II stuff. You are, Dave, though. from memory. You know a fair bit about it. Oh. You know much about Nev's work. He sort of lost, he kind of lost, he lost, he lost the confidence of the parliament and the people of it.
Starting point is 00:09:45 And that's what led to Churchill stepping up. And you know what? It's just that he needed to just own it. He did. Just be more confident. Just like fake it till you make it. You know, you appear confident. People have confidence in you. Do you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:09:59 I think I do. Within a month of taking office, Churchill was working towards combining the three departments into one old super badass war organization. After appointing his Minister of Economic Warfare, Hugh Dalton, with the responsibility of the new organisation, Churchill reportedly said, and now set Europe ablaze. That's like a famous quote of his about it, apparently. It's a good one. And now set Europe ablaze. Sir, I just need to remind you that you are technically part of Europe.
Starting point is 00:10:30 Bonus down. Stop. Stop, this room we're standing in right now. Have you got matches on you? Let's go. Because I'm an alcoholic and very flammable. He was a big alcohol guy, wasn't he, Churchill? I think so.
Starting point is 00:10:44 I think a big drinker, sorry. Didn't mean a throw around. Throw words like alcohol around like that. That wasn't, that's not cool. Takes one and no one. Yeah. On the 22nd of July 9th, The Special Operations Executive was officially formed by Dalton with a charter to sabotage, conduct reconnaissance and espionage in occupied Europe and to help resistance movements on the ground.
Starting point is 00:11:15 Dalton is said to have used the IRAs work during the Irish War of Independence as a bit of a blueprint. So, sorry, sabotage. Sabotage. Espionage. And what was the middle one? Conduct reconnaissance. Nigel Farragise. Nigel Farage.
Starting point is 00:11:31 Of those, sabotage, Sabotage, reconnaissance and espionage. What's your favourite? Oh, there's three of them. We can have one each. Or reconnaissance is fucking boring. I like, yeah, sabotage. A lot more safe.
Starting point is 00:11:45 Yeah, which I feel like is you. You'd be the safe one. You're not going to go in for any espionage, are you? How do you know I haven't been undercover this whole time? Come on, mate. Oh, no. In that outfit. It's just so crazy you might be believable.
Starting point is 00:12:00 No one would dress like that Really? No one would behave the way he does Yeah, I reckon they would In November 1940 is the Nazi Air Force The Luftwaffe It's great, great phrase isn't it? It is great.
Starting point is 00:12:15 Luftwaffe It's not quite right, is it? I'm not doing quite nail it. No, it's Luftwifer. It's 99 Luftwaifer balloons. As the Luftwaffe was bombing Central London, the special operations executive set up its headquarters in two flats on Baker Street.
Starting point is 00:12:36 Baker Street? Oh no, that's not... What was that, Chicago? You go on? I went the wrong way. Yeah, that's what I was here for. His face is the best. When he converts it into a sax.
Starting point is 00:12:53 What does his lips do? How do you make eye contact with us? That was my impression of a man who hadn't played the saxophone in 50 years. it up for the first time. I think I remember a song. And it was interesting, so this is where they set up, right, this is all interesting. I was going to
Starting point is 00:13:15 about to go off on a tangent. I've written so many. I don't need to go off on to others. From this base, they began to recruit agents. According to a Nigel Morris article for the BBC, he said, senior staff at the SOE were invariably ex-public school and Oxbridge.
Starting point is 00:13:31 Which I didn't know what it meant. I looked at up. Public school in the UK means private school. So they're a wealthy tough types. And Oxbridge means Oxford and Cambridge. So yeah, so they're all sort of the exclusively educated types. Because you can trust them because if they're
Starting point is 00:13:47 already rich, they're happy. They're not going to, like they're not motivated by money because they already have money. Exactly. You can't like, you can't bribe them because they're like, that's pocket change for me. You're kidding? I think of, yeah. Well, that's just the top brass.
Starting point is 00:14:03 Anyway, that's the the offices and that sort of stuff. But he goes on to say that the agents came from all walks and included a former chef and electrician, several journalists, and the daughter of a Brixton motor car dealer. That's pretty cool. It does say, at first I thought it was going to be like, guys, we've got people from all walks of life. Greg knows the chef.
Starting point is 00:14:22 His personal one. Guys, he only just got into Oxford. I really thought. Like so, he's pretty average. I really thought Jess, you might have the last one there. It was... She's the daughter of something. This is a woman who probably...
Starting point is 00:14:35 She probably has her own things, but she's listed here because her dad sold cars. So weird. Oh, her dad did a job. Oh, she's in. It just seemed really funny to me. Anyway, I noticed you looked straight at me and I was like... Because normally whenever someone said, and his wife, you're going to like, what's the fucking wife's name? So I thought it might have been a similar scenario, but I was wrong.
Starting point is 00:14:58 I had written in there, pause for Jess to go on rant. The podcast will now be 10 minutes shorter than expected. So anyway, it was a bit of a cross-section of society As missions were undertaken behind enemy enemy lines So this is what it was all about It was about little guerrilla crews Going behind enemy lines And just fucking shit up
Starting point is 00:15:22 All right, so we've got Sarah here Her dad owns a car dealership How can we best use her skills All right, we'll send her into Berlin And she'll take a car for a spin And when it's out she'll put a bomb underneath it yeah that'll work
Starting point is 00:15:37 does she speak German no don't need it can she drive nah no no but her dad her dad does so
Starting point is 00:15:44 it's all about her dad interestingly you mentioned that obviously it was important that the agents had a deep knowledge of the country where they would operate
Starting point is 00:15:53 they needed to speak the language fluently yeah she speaks car right she goes into the dealership couldn't tag and she just go Brum brum, brum, brum, brum, brum.
Starting point is 00:16:08 Oh. Welcome. Welcome to my city. Brum brum brum. Do you spreckin the brum? Conn's the brum sprecken? Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:28 At this time, if they were dual citizens, that was saying as a real bonus, obviously, because you don't need a forward. passports and documents that way. The SOE was ahead of the game with its use of women in armed combat. Fuck off. As those sent into the field were trained to use weapons and in unarmed combat. But I mean they're still wearing aprons while they do it, so it's okay.
Starting point is 00:16:50 But at the time, they would normally make them wear two aprons. So it was seen as being progressive, just the one. And pretty dangerous too. Of their 55 female agents that they had over through the war, 13 were killed in action or in Nazi concentration camps.
Starting point is 00:17:06 So that they were seeing active, dangerous action, which across the rest of the army at that stage wasn't happening as much, I believe. Wow. But like I say, I don't fucking know anything. Hey, you were around. What are you listening to me for? I was around, but I was hiding in a bunker.
Starting point is 00:17:24 Real weird thing happened towards the end of the war. This guy with a little mustache came in. Couldn't understand a word he was saying. But he was there with his niece. Was he just? I was fucking like nobody's business, I think. I was trying not to look. Anyway, ended up with a bullet in his brain.
Starting point is 00:17:39 Weird, weird chap, weird guy. Was he brimming at you? He was, um, evad brumming at me. Wow. Well, that's the best joke of the pot. While this recruitment process is happening, this guy that I like, I like mainly, mainly for his name.
Starting point is 00:18:04 But he's also seems like a, he's one of those classic war guys that we've been talking about through past episodes where they're just those sort of badass guys
Starting point is 00:18:13 his name is Colonel Colin Gobbins which is pretty cool Fuck yeah Collins are bad ass name isn't it
Starting point is 00:18:22 Colin Does the name of your car Yes And it's a pretty cool car It's a cool car The Gubbins It was mainly the Gubbins All right
Starting point is 00:18:32 Bad boys Bad boys What you're gonna do Collins here To fuck shit up Not Colin, he's got a real reputation. Cubbins.
Starting point is 00:18:46 He was SOE's head of training and operations, and he started turning properties and mansions across the UK into agent training bases. So according to Morris, new agents were taught how to kill with their bare hands, how to disguise themselves, how to derail a train, and even how to get out a pair of handcuffs with a piece of thin wire and a diary pencil. If an agent survived these tests and a grueling parachute course, they were ready to go. They love parachutes in this, a lot of parachuting in.
Starting point is 00:19:18 A lot of these missions were parachute in. But not many parachuted out. Which is interesting. It was quite difficult, even with a pencil diary. Yeah, they just didn't get it. They taught and they taught real hard. They taught hard. Colin, he teaches hard.
Starting point is 00:19:34 Yeah. I love the idea that they think that they'll always have a diary pencil on hand. It's like, well, when you're in hand, cuff, they'll expect you to keep a journal. It's very difficult to write. Do diary, day three. Still cuffed. Hang on.
Starting point is 00:19:50 It's been in my hands all along. SOE also employed scientists to invent weapons of war in what Morris describes as the 007 factor. Unigrad's working for the SOE invented devices such as the single-shot cigarette pistol and the Sleeping Beauty, which was a sub-o-o-7 factor. Mercable canoe. Soe workshops also created Carborundum,
Starting point is 00:20:16 which was an abrasive grease that could bring a steam train to an immediate standstill. How? What? How? They invented carburendum. Grease.
Starting point is 00:20:27 It was a type of grease that's going to stop it. But it was abrasive grease. So apparently if there was a certain way that they rubbed it under the tracks. Rub it the wrong way, eh? Yeah, you're going to rub it the train the wrong way. And you'll stop it dead and it's a train. Wow. That's fascinating.
Starting point is 00:20:44 Yeah. So yeah, it's sort of fun. Like all these just like going, invent some cool shit. They also had a camouflage section, which was run by a film director named Elder Willis. I can see you! You have failed! He oversaw a team of movie prop makers. I love it. It's just people from Ever are coming in. Many simple yet ingenious items were created, such as a... fake tree trunk mold that could conceal radio equipment and fake camel shit that was actually a booby trap.
Starting point is 00:21:19 Okay. It looks like camel shit and you drop it in the, you know. What in Berlin? In Berlin. Downtown Berlin with camels. And then what? Somebody goes over and's like, huh, let me inspect this pile of camel shit? No, it's like, you know, like a mine.
Starting point is 00:21:33 So you'd put camel shit on the road in cars or whatever, happy to drive over them. Bang. Now, what they'd really do is they'd get camel shit, and inside there'd be dog shit. So the people inspecting the camel shit, they'd be like, this is this is dried up. They'd pick it up, it would crumble, and then they'd get dog shit on their shoes. And then the dog shit would crumble, and it'd be human shit. Their own somehow. And I'd freak them out, and they'd be like, oh, I'm out.
Starting point is 00:21:59 It's trippy. How would they know it was their own shit? Oh, you don't know your own shit? Yes, I could recognise my shit in the line up of 100. You could, Dave. I'll Someone will lead me blindfolded to a mystery location So I don't recognise where I am
Starting point is 00:22:14 I'll shit I'll trust you to lead me to a safe place I will shit into a receptacle You can take a photo of it I don't want to do that And then we'll swap it in with 99 other photos And I'll be able to pick mine Okay I'm
Starting point is 00:22:26 To prove That World War II exists Hey he's dedicated to the cause And I appreciate that But I'm I shuck and not taking a picture of Dave's shit Right, Matt will take the photo, Jess will hold the receptacle. Damn it! The...
Starting point is 00:22:41 This tiny tush. The... It's a plastic bag. It'll have to be... It'll have to be pretty accurate. Does that make sense? It'll have to be... Or a large receptacle.
Starting point is 00:22:53 Either all. Stop. But don't tell me what you're planning, because I don't want to recognise it. All right. I appreciate science. I'm like you. Yeah, Jess, wake up. Sorry.
Starting point is 00:23:09 You're right. You love poo, chat. Matt, who go on? The Secret Intelligence Service, now known as the MI6, viewed SOE with great suspicion. The head of the Secret Intelligence Service, Sir Stuart Menzies, wasn't into the work of the SOE at all. He would describe them as amateur, dangerous, and bogus,
Starting point is 00:23:30 and campaigned internally against them. But as they were the baby of Prime Minister Churchill, they were... Give it a free pass. They were... As long as Churchill was in charge, they were all good. Churchill's chaps.
Starting point is 00:23:44 They're the chaps after all. And? Chapettes. Chapets. So, so. Chapinas. Chapinas. The SOE.
Starting point is 00:23:52 It's got three, three spy military organizations, but not MI6. No, not MI6. Well, those are sort of all dissolved into this one. So it's now the one thing. MI6 is still separate already establishing. And they're criticizing it. Right.
Starting point is 00:24:08 They're not in it. Because I mean, to them, it's like, because they are amateurs. They're literally amateur. They're not living, they are getting paid or wage. They're literally not amateurs, but they're not well trained. Right. They're like film directors. Yeah, that's right.
Starting point is 00:24:24 The SOE undertook, or the Chaps undertook missions right across the war in numerous countries. One example, I'm going to go into a few of them, because I thought maybe it was the best way to talk about it. There were hundreds of missions. So I've just picked out a few to talk about, and hopefully that'll give you a bit of an idea. So one example was Operation Josephine B, also known, apparently, as Operation Josephine.
Starting point is 00:24:54 So like, anyway, it's like a couple of wildly different names there. Seems confusing. If there are no other lettered Josephine, let's just call... I reckon the MI6 is right. These are a bunch of amateurs. So this was in 1941. It was jointly organized with Free France, which I hadn't heard of. You know Free France?
Starting point is 00:25:15 It was the name of the French government in exile, led by Charles de Gaul, which was set up in London in June 1940. Charles de Gaul being the big train station in Paris, one of them. You mean airport? Airport. Fuck. So this mission was jointly organized with Free France, and the aim of the mission was to blow up the Passack Power Station, which was an important piece of information. which was an important piece of infrastructure for the axis of evil. The station was difficult to reach by air,
Starting point is 00:25:44 but the plan was to drop a small team nearby via parachute. Oh, the traditional method, subtle. From there? Yeah, they're never looking at the skies. Never. Looking at the ground. Look at their bloody phones. They'll be digging up through the ground like moles at any second.
Starting point is 00:26:00 Nah, we're dropping from the skies. From there, they would break into the station, leave bombs with delayed timers, uh, destroying the bloody giant. That's the plan, right? You feel on sorry for the... Tell me you're not feeling any sympathy for the... The axes of evil.
Starting point is 00:26:16 Jess? I mean, they've got families. Yeah, Nazi families. Nazi children. Nazi dogs. I had a customer the other day at my job whose name was swastika. No.
Starting point is 00:26:32 Yeah. First name. First name. And I was like, I definitely heard that wrong. So later in the conversation, I was like, I'm sorry, what was... What was your name? Can you spell that for me? And it was swastika.
Starting point is 00:26:40 What was this her name? Smith? That's definitely, that's someone who's chosen it for himself. Do you reckon? Yeah, there's no way that parents would have named you right. And you grew up and don't go, I'm changing that name. That's someone who's definitely picked it from. I think it was a cultural thing.
Starting point is 00:26:57 But, yeah, you would think you would change your name. The team was made up of six Polish volunteers who were trained up for the mission. They set off from a Royal Air Force. based near Chichester in West Sussex, but due to a technical fault, a bunch of their equipment was accidentally dropped over the Loh River, the Lour in France. It's like a big river there. I've never seen, how would you say that? Loh.
Starting point is 00:27:23 The Loh. Dropped over the Loh in France, and they had to turn back. The mission was off to a poor start, you could argue. I will argue. Okay, we'll argue after I say, I only got worse when their plane crashed landed on their turn killing some crew and wounding all the volunteers. Laughed a little bit too early then. Yes, you did.
Starting point is 00:27:44 Yes, you did. I hear playing crash and I think this is going to end very fun, Ollie. What a mess. Oh, no. Yeah, so that was just a big old failure. So a second team was put in place. They were keen to make this happen, obviously. This time with free French forces, so people from the French nationals,
Starting point is 00:28:03 including Sergeant J. Foreman, sub-lieutenant or sub-lieutenant, or sub-lieutenant, Raymond Cabard and sub-Lieutenant or lieutenant Andre Varnia aka Jacques LeBlanc I was gonna say
Starting point is 00:28:18 these are the least French names ever until the AKA came in Jacques First guy's name was John Foreman Jay Foreman Initial J. I reckon I was short for Jacques John Foreman What was the last name? Jacques Lebonne
Starting point is 00:28:31 Jacques LeBlanc Love it Love that Which means the white The black for white. That's white. Long light.
Starting point is 00:28:41 So that was selected for the mission. So a small team of three this time instead of the six initially. You could say that's half the size of the team. It's half the size. They're downsized for sure. Who's getting better at math? Not me. Yeah, you're right.
Starting point is 00:28:56 No, you did real well there, Jess. Thank you. So they were sent to Station 17 for training in industrial sabotage by inventor, engineer and soldier, Cecil Vanderpier-Clark. Oh, the clock ruined a little bit, didn't it? CVC. I'm just going to call him Cecil.
Starting point is 00:29:13 Yeah. He was an interesting guy, the Cecil guy, an inventor, an engineer, a soldier. This guy did it all, and he was one of the big dogs. A lover. In the chaps. No doubt about that. Yeah, it was an interesting guy. He grew up in London and was known to his friends as Nobby.
Starting point is 00:29:31 In between serving... Known to his very close friends as Nobby. In between serving in the first and... Second Wars. He worked as a director at a motoring company in Bedford where he registered patents relating to engine design. He's somewhat of a go-getter, the engineering kind of guy, inventing. Very industrious.
Starting point is 00:29:52 This guy had it all. Soon after, he designed his own engine, but shelved the project when he realized big company. He shelved the project. Wow. Up the butt. Is that what you're saying? Yeah. An entire engine.
Starting point is 00:30:04 Entire engine. Up the butt. Up the butt. He became more machining. than man. And that's where it took a real turn. It's a different time, wasn't it? He started speaking car.
Starting point is 00:30:15 But none at his mouth. Let me just say that. Out of his butt? Yeah, brum, brum, brum, brum. Brum, indeed. So he shelved that project because he realized that larger companies would be able to make it happen
Starting point is 00:30:28 more economically than he could. He then started his own company designing trailers and caravans as well. And the editor of the Caravan and Trailer magazine met with Cecil for an interview and later described his first impressions of the inventor saying, Clark at once fascinated me. He was a very large man with rather hesitant speech, who at first struck me as being amiable, but not outstandingly bright. The second part of this impression did not last long. Right, so he was bright. He was bright. There's got to
Starting point is 00:30:59 be, right? He's inventing all this stuff. But he doesn't seem bright. He didn't say it because he's the way he talks slow and stuff. Sounds like someone else we know. Doesn't it, Dave. Talks It's low. Amiable, but not bright. You know? Yeah, a big man. Big man. Large.
Starting point is 00:31:15 It's on the tip of my tongue. Is it the guy, um... Is it Arnold Schwarzenegger? Yeah, that's who we're talking about. I was going to say the guy who was once California's governor. His biggest claim to fame. Yeah. Yeah, you know him from that?
Starting point is 00:31:29 Yeah. Arnold Schwarzenegger, the politician. Yeah, the politician. The famous American politician. He had an affair with his nanny. Yeah. From Flushing Queens. She was there to sell maker, but they saw more.
Starting point is 00:31:41 A lot more. She had style. Mr. Chef. Mr. Schwarzenegger. This probably... Oh, Ms. Fine. That was my army. This podcast hasn't gone to the bloody depths of comedy.
Starting point is 00:31:58 It's fine. He writes Broadway musicals. But he was never... He could never quite reach the hearts of... Andrew Lloyd Webber. He had a big rival Andrew Lloyd. Him and Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Starting point is 00:32:13 So this all probably seems like a bit of a weird tangent. I don't know if you noticed that I just started going into a backstory. Oh, about the trailer man? Yeah. Cessel. Cecil and McCrae, the editor, would meet again in 1939. At this point, McCray was now editor of a popular science magazine. He'd moved up from the caravans and trailers magazine.
Starting point is 00:32:31 Dream job, by the way. Do you think the background there was that there was a caravan magazine and a trailer magazine? They didn't have enough market, so they merged. I think that's what happened. I would like to say that as a fact. The 30s were a different time. Trailer mag.
Starting point is 00:32:46 McCray contacted Cecil after being contacted himself by Major Millis Rowland, Jefferis of the War Office. Jefferis. I heard your teeth click then. Jeffers. And this guy had read an article in McRae's Science magazine about powerful magnets.
Starting point is 00:33:06 The major wanted McCray to create a kind of explosive that could be magnetically adhered to things like ships under the water. And McCrae asked Cecil to help make this happen. A magnetic explosive. Yeah. So it could, you know, just stick it under big warships. Cecil agreed and they set to work. Does that make sense as a phrase? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:32 Great. Making prototypes. Big. Amiable, not that bright Needs encouragement So they started making prototypes With large tin bowls Poules purchased from a local department store
Starting point is 00:33:47 And it was actually Woolworths But anyway And using porridge in place of explosives In the early things That sort of sounds more like they're making breakfast to me Porridge in In bowls The part of explosives will be played by
Starting point is 00:33:59 Porridge But that's not how you make explosives Suicide Baba rips over their jacket And they're just covered in porridge They're damp with porridge Give me the castor everyone dies Sir, are you covered in porridge? Did you spill your breakfast?
Starting point is 00:34:21 Do what he says. Do what he says. He looks unhinged. They're rolled oats. Roll dates. Right notes. Anyway, they kept working on it and eventually invented this new kind of mine and named it the limpet mine
Starting point is 00:34:33 after the sea snail known for its ability to adhere to rocks. So quite similar to the bombs, obviously, in that way. The Limpid mines also had a delay mechanism so that after it had been put in place, the soldier would have time to get away before the explosion. And that is where the sea creature and the mines differed. Sea creature had no timer.
Starting point is 00:34:57 You wrote that joke, didn't you? You fucking wrote that down. Yeah, I wrote that one down. The sea snail didn't have a delay mechanism, nor did they explode, admittedly. Oh, two differences. Yeah. Yeah, it was interesting.
Starting point is 00:35:13 Wait, wait. When you wrote that today, presumably, did you... I wrote two jokes in this report. That was the first of them. Oh, there's another one coming. Yeah, I can't remember where, but there was... That was a two-part of there. Soon after the limpets had been invented and manufactured...
Starting point is 00:35:29 Manufactured? World War II broke. So I've taken you back a step. Oh, it broke. Also, they're preparing for World War II. This is before... Yeah, the army came and they sort of know shit's going down, you know, pre-World War. It broke.
Starting point is 00:35:47 How are they going to stick it back together? A bit of sticky tape. The World War. When you break your mum's vase. Vase. The Olympic mines were used in many raids in the war, including Operation J-WIC. In September 1943, a small team of Allied commandos raided Japanese shipping in Singapore Harbour. paddling into the harbour, then placing the mines onto multiple ships,
Starting point is 00:36:13 sinking or seriously damaging seven Japanese ships. Nice one. So these things that started with bowls of porridge ended up like having... Sinking ships. Sinking ships. Okay, well, I've had balz of porridge that have had a similar effect on me. Blue slips sink ships. If you fill those lips with porridge, you're going to be sunk.
Starting point is 00:36:34 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. That's how the same goes. It is there. Anyway, back to Operation Josephine B, which... Oh my God, we started talking about 14 minutes ago. So the three-man team from Free France were sent to Station 17 for training under Cecil. So this is second plan, second group, because the Polish people crashed. Yes, the Polish people crashed.
Starting point is 00:36:55 This is Team 2, the French. And under Cecil, they learnt well, and they set off on the night of May 11th, parachuting in. They hid their container of equipment, which included these smaller shape-charged limpets that Cecil taught them how to use it, I assume. I don't know that for sure, but I guess so. The plan was to obtain bicycles to make a silent getaway. But when they were unable to do so, they couldn't source bicycles. And they also found that the perimeter wall was harder to get over than first thought. You certainly couldn't ride a bicycle over it.
Starting point is 00:37:33 Because there was a high-voltage wire inside the top of the nine-foot wall. So you had to scale this quite large wall And then there was a high voltage Electric wire that you had to Somehow get over as well So they kind of got a bit disheartened Remember this is the power station We're trying to blow
Starting point is 00:37:51 Yeah, that was so long ago that I mentioned that That you might have forgotten But that's what they're trying to do here They're trying to fuck that shit up So they were a bit disheartened by these setbacks And the three Frenchmen Abandoned the emission And set off for Paris
Starting point is 00:38:05 Well we will do Which was, you know, Nazi occupied, I'm pretty sure. Wasn't it? Yeah, it was, wasn't it? Yes, but depending on what period. Yes, it must be then, this period then. Yeah. So, one of the men, Sergeant J. Foreman, the most French of LaMole.
Starting point is 00:38:27 John Foreman. Forman. He'd been given an address to go to, if need be, in Paris, where allies would be. and at that address he met Joel LaTac, a member of the Free Franch. He had recently had to abandon a mission himself. This is old mate LaTac. He had to abandon a mission himself recently because of outdated intel. So when he heard that they had abandoned their mission for like kind of less concrete reasons,
Starting point is 00:39:02 he rallied the team and convinced them to head back and complete their mission. Guys, it's just a wall. He also went along with them to make sure it happens. So all of a sudden, now the team is four. The new plan was to commandeer a truck to head up to Passack, where the power plant was. But when the truck broke down, they had bicycles instead. So they had bicycles, and they rode there, found the explosive where they'd hidden them a while back now, nearly a month ago,
Starting point is 00:39:30 and found they were still in working order. Still good to go. On the night of June 7th, almost a month after they, they had initially meant to carry out the mission that were going to have a crack. Sergeant J. Foreman scaled the perimeter wall and was able to make it over while avoiding contact with the electric wire.
Starting point is 00:39:46 He was then able to let the rest of the team in with their explosives by opening a door. Hmm. Hmm. It's good stuff. It's good plan. It's because of the training of Colin that he was like, I know what to do here. I'm going to open that door. I'm used to several different types of handle.
Starting point is 00:40:04 Wood, ivory. and one other. But I'll never tell. That's this organisation's greatest secret. That's it. The bombs were put in place in under half an hour and the four men made their getaways via the bicycles. The four men including four men.
Starting point is 00:40:22 Four men including four men. I was thinking the same thing, DW. Oh my God. So they set the bombs, set the timers. Get on their bicycles. Got on their bicycles. And as they're riding away, awesome.
Starting point is 00:40:33 Behind them, the sky's lit up with. the explosions. It was a success. Wow. Which is just an image that I love. These guys peddling fuss. Yeah, rooting in their little bells. I like to imagine there's a basket on the front of one of them
Starting point is 00:40:46 and they've got a baguette in there, you know, for later. That was when I was in France, I've been a couple of times. That was the one like old school bad French cliche that is true. There's people walking around with baguettes everywhere. No berets. No berets. No blue and white horizontal strut. shirts.
Starting point is 00:41:07 No red bandanas. A lot of baguettes, though. But baguettes are everywhere, which was the best because I fucking love them. My friends. Like mustard and some sort of a cheese. So much cheese. We just ate a lot of, like, we'd get a baguette and some brie and just like, sit. We had a baguette fight underneath the Eiffel Tower while wearing berets.
Starting point is 00:41:26 You guys are the worst. You're the worst kind of Australia. You could really get arrested for that. Yeah. They did not take kindly to that. Nah. Look at those clearly foreign people. Yep.
Starting point is 00:41:36 Look at those Taking the piss out of us. Tourist assholes. And our great proud culture. Yeah. Now come over here and fight me with that baguette. Six of the intended eight transformers were destroyed. And as a result, work at the enemy's U-boat base.
Starting point is 00:41:52 U-boats are the German submarines. What they call them, yeah. So that their U-boat base in Bordeaux was severely hampered, as was an electric train system in the southwest of France. which had to be replaced entirely by steam trains. So it was just, they wiped out the use of a whole train system. That is great. And now they just put the little bit of grease on the track.
Starting point is 00:42:16 Suddenly the steam trains stop. Steam trains are just so pretty, you know? Terrible for the environment. Something quite beautiful about them, except the bad for the environment bit. Yeah, you know? You don't get that an electric train. Yeah, electric trains just don't sound like owls.
Starting point is 00:42:33 No. You know when the electric train goes past and goes like, Oh, I hate that. Give me a hoot, hoot any day. Give me a hoot any day. Okay. So the mission was a success. That's great.
Starting point is 00:42:50 I love it. Mission codenamed Josephine B. Josephine B. Or possibly just Josephine. So from there, the team were ordered to head for Spain. They asked to be come and collected by a submarine or something. The original plan was that they were going to be come and picked up. been a submarine or something and taken back away.
Starting point is 00:43:08 But they missed that chance when they fled to Paris. And this time around, they just said, no, you make your own way to Spain, please. Which they did, but they took their time around two months enjoying their journey, reportedly spending 250,000 francs along the way, which is over 100,000 grand in today's money. How? How? How? In two months.
Starting point is 00:43:31 $100,000? $100,000. $100,000? Did I say $100,000? Sorry about that. Take the grand bit out. Just a hundred a thousand. That's still a lot of...
Starting point is 00:43:40 That's a shit load of money. We're at four people just... I love that idea. I reckon we could do it. And everyone back at home is just not like rationing like crazy. Yeah, I don't... That's interesting how do they get that money? But I think...
Starting point is 00:43:52 It's probably like a... It's probably like emergency money. It's probably like emergency money. Yeah. And they're just like, well... This is an emergency. It's World War II. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:00 If you need to put down a deposit on a home as an emergency, here is a secret fund. Sub-Lutentant Raymond Kabbar was captured on the journey back to Spain But the other three made it to Spain And eventually back to England They spent his share of the money But Kabad escaped as well
Starting point is 00:44:18 And ended up back with the SOE 2 In the aftermath of the mission So that's all fun Everything up to that point is a good amount of fun Uh-oh But as it often happens The Nazis come in And make it all a little less fun
Starting point is 00:44:37 I always ruin it. In the aftermath of the mission, the Nazis, they didn't take it well. And they didn't know how it happened. So they took it out on the locals. There were fines, 250 locals were jailed, and a curfew was imposed. 9.30 p.m. till 5 a.m. lockout laws. Sydney all over again. Sydney all over again.
Starting point is 00:44:59 I think that's even harser than Sydney's, I think. And a dozen German soldiers who were on duty guarding the station at the time were shot. That is harsher than Sydney. That is a little harsher than Sydney. When news of the success of the mission reached Britain, Hugh Dalton, the one of the top dogs. Yeah, one of the top dogs.
Starting point is 00:45:22 He's in Parliament, but he's the guy that Churchill gave the responsibility for this whole thing too. Hugh Dalton passed the news on to the PM Churchill, writing, We may therefore take it as practically certain that three, obviously four, It doesn't matter.
Starting point is 00:45:39 He thinks it was three, but it was four. That three men dropped from an aeroplane have succeeded in destroying an important industrial target. This strongly suggests that many industrial targets, especially if they cover only a very small area, are more effectively attacked by special operations executive methods rather than air bombardment. Oh, right. So you saw that as, it's like, oh, this is good for us. This is a big win for the SOE. The triumph of the mission helped prove that guerrilla operations like this could be.
Starting point is 00:46:08 play a key role in disrupting the German war machine and lead to many, many more similar initiatives. So that's that one. Here's another one. Do you want to hear about another one? Nah. I'm in. That could really be the episode, but I've got some more.
Starting point is 00:46:25 Yeah. Another one that were involved in was called Operation Anthropod. Anthropoid? Anthropoid. Anthropoid. That's how Shineberg would say it. The target of this one was Reinhardt. Hydrick.
Starting point is 00:46:40 You're familiar with him? No, but I like his name. Rinehard. He was the target of it. I don't think we like this person. Adolf Hitler described him as the man with the iron heart. Whoa, Hitler said that about him. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:57 And Hitler, not the warmest guy, is he? No, he was a real bad guy. So that language is a little bit soft. He was a c-h-ha-ha-ha-ha. Strong word. Wow. Haven't had one of those for a while. Amongst...
Starting point is 00:47:15 Well, two episodes. Amongst many other roles, he was in charge of the Aynsten Gruppen, which was a special task force that followed behind the German armies, gassing and shooting everyone in their wake. Oh. Including over 2 million people, 1.3 million of them being Jews. Whoa. He was like a massive...
Starting point is 00:47:36 I mean, I'm not telling you any... anything you don't know, this high-up Nazi was a fuckhead. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Hydric had... Controversial opinion there? Controversial, sure. Hydric had been sent to Prague in what was then Czechoslovakia on September the 27th, 1941, and he was appointed Deputy Reich Protector of the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia.
Starting point is 00:48:00 Oh, God, put that on a business card. Fucking hell. That was, you know, that's that area. Bohemia is sort of like takes in a bunch of that sort of space. Bohemia sounds nice. You know? It is. It is.
Starting point is 00:48:11 It is. It is now. Under Nazi rule, it probably wasn't. Probably was nice before they came along too, yeah. Yeah. The actual head Reich protector, Constantine von Neurath, was officially still the head of the region, but it was in name only. And he was sent on leave because Hitler Himmler, Himmler. Heinrich Himla, yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:35 And Hyderick felt that he was too soft on the Czech. Whoa. Upon his appointment, Hydrick reportedly said, we will Germanize the Czech vermin. He began suppressing Czech culture, like almost instantly, closing down any sort of avenues which the Czech people would express their cultural identity, different cultural organizations, those sort of thing. Podcasts, for example.
Starting point is 00:48:57 Podcasts, would be one of the, he probably would have done that, yeah, I reckon. Podcasts would probably want, yeah, I wonder how that would work. Anyway, he also began executing members of the Czech resistance, Within three days of his arrival in Prague, he had organized the execution of 92 people. According to Hydric's own estimate, more than 4,000 people were arrested in his first four months. Many were executed and others were sent to concentration camps, and he quickly earned the nickname, the Butcher of Prague. Oh, that's not a good nickname at all.
Starting point is 00:49:30 And you know I love nicknames, but I don't like that one. Yeah, this guy just feels like pure evil. Yeah. So I guess that's part of the reason why he became a target of SOE's Operation Anthropo. But he also would be the inspiration for Hydra in Captain America? Yeah, I think, I think, who was it, Red Skull? Is that based on someone from, I'm asking Dave? I mean, look at me.
Starting point is 00:49:55 I haven't even seen the Captain America maybe. Oh, man, you've got to see Captain America. I'm sure he would have been based on some of the, maybe all of them or maybe one of them. Maybe Himla. Him was like, he was a comic book evil guy, really, wasn't he? Dave, watch Captain America, please. I'll do it for you. Really good movie.
Starting point is 00:50:17 For no one else. Anyway, the operation was the brainchild of Frenchek Moravich. Some tough names in here, but you're doing really well. But he's a good guy. We're talking about it. Anthropoid. He's the anthropoid guy. He was the head of the Czech intelligence services.
Starting point is 00:50:34 Moravich. briefed Colin Gubbins, our man. Colin. Of the SOA, as we turned. At this time, apparently, he was a brigadier. And in charge of the Czech sections of the organisations. Brigadier. Gubbins was keen to help.
Starting point is 00:50:52 On your, Colin. Moravec hand-picked a team of 24 from the 2000 available Czech soldiers based in Britain at the time. And they went on to train at an SOE training camp in Scotland. The main men were a Slovak named Joseph Gabchik and a Czech named Carol Svoboda. Look, obviously, I'm confident none of these names are quite right. I'm having a crack, sorry for any offence caused. The mission, if their families are listening,
Starting point is 00:51:27 could you at least get his fucking name right? The mission was set to go down on the 28th of October 1941. Czech, Czechoslovakia's independence day, I think. But it was delayed when Svaboda suffered a head injury while training, which meant he had to be replaced. And a replacement was found, a man named Jan Kubus, or Jan or Jan or Jan. Kabchik and Kubus, along with a team of soldiers flew out from Britain to Czechoslovakia.
Starting point is 00:52:00 They had to wait a, that was delayed because he had to finish training. this guy was stepping in. He had to get trained up and also they had to get his forged documents ready and stuff like that. Sure. All the paperwork.
Starting point is 00:52:10 All the paperwork. And he had to give two weeks notice at his last place so they had to wait for him to be able to start and then training. And then the week that they started training there was a public holiday
Starting point is 00:52:18 so then they kind of push him back a day. So yeah, but I mean it takes a while. You know what it's like. You know, admin, hey? Red tape. So they flew out to Czechoslovakia. Once they had landed, they headed to Pilsen.
Starting point is 00:52:32 which is where Pilsson of Beer is from. And they contacted some embedded allies before heading to Prague, where the assassination plot was meant to occur. Uh-oh. I don't like the word meant to in that sentence. Words. After abandoning a couple of planned attempts, they settled in on a plan to kill Hydric while he was driving from his check home to Prague Castle,
Starting point is 00:52:55 which I think was his place of business. Of course, he's got an evil lair. Yeah, you're right. Should see a photo of him. He... Prague Castle, Praxal. There's a clue in that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:08 I think Prague Castle was already there before he... Nope. Praguesul. Pretzel. So that was his daily commute, you know, driving to the castle every day. The pretzel. Gabchik and Kubus chose a spot along the route where they knew he would have to slow down. I was on a bend in the road, so they're like, this is where we're going to take him out.
Starting point is 00:53:25 On the 27th of May 1942 at 10.30 a.m., Hydrick and his driver left for the castle in his Mercedes convertible. They were allegedly... of the day, eh? Convertible? He's got a convertible. Yeah. Starting work at 1030, leaving the house at 10.30, so probably, you know, by the time you get to work, get your cup of coffee. You get settled in.
Starting point is 00:53:43 Yeah. Yeah, check your emails. You're not starting, he's not starting proper work till at least quarter past 11 at the absolute earliest. Yeah. What a leisurely day. I bet he knocks off early too, eh? It's classic. Three o'clock.
Starting point is 00:53:56 He's out the door. So the car reached the curve a few minutes later and Gabchik jumped out in front of the car with his Sten submachine gun. Oof. He attempted to open fire, but the gun jammed. No. Do you see they've been planning this for months? What the plan is, jump in front of the car and start shooting.
Starting point is 00:54:17 What's the training? Well, I mean, the parachuting. The training should be how to get the gun to work. And that hasn't worked. That'd be a key bit of their training. But maybe this next part was part of the training. They stopped the car so that Hydric could shoot Gabchek. with his pistol.
Starting point is 00:54:33 So, um, yeah, so the driver Klein stopped the car. So they're like, oh, this idiot. So he just stood up with a pistol and shot him.
Starting point is 00:54:42 Uh, that was the plan, but before he could, Kubus pulled out a grenade from his bag and threw it at the Merck. It went bang. Oh my God. Good throw?
Starting point is 00:54:51 It was a pretty good throw. It sent shrapnel into Hydric, but also into Cubus. Uh, from there, there was a shootout before Cubus fled on bike. Uh, Hydrick's driver chased Gabchik on foot
Starting point is 00:55:05 till he cornered him in a butcher shop. There, Gabchik turned around, shot him twice and escaped. So he got away. Oh, wow. Gepchik and Kubus were shattered later. They did both get away. They were shattered later that the attack had failed. Only it hadn't.
Starting point is 00:55:22 Hyderick was taken a hospital where it was found that he had suffered major diaphragm, spleen and lung damage and a fractured rib. Hitler called him the man with the iron heart, but he could now be more accurately called the man with shrapnel in his spleen. There it is. There's number two.
Starting point is 00:55:42 Maddie, Maddie, which I guess is kind of similar. He died from his injuries a week later, so fucking suck it, you fuckhead. A slow death, too. Couldn't have happened to a nice guy. A slow death. It's bad, isn't it? But I suppose he's so evil that you can.
Starting point is 00:56:00 feel good about his death. As was the Nazis' ammo, they reacted badly and they received dodgy intel that the assassins were from local villages Liddis and Lazzaki. I'm so sorry, Czech people. The Nazis destroyed both villages killing 5,000 people and sending most of the rest to brutal Nazi concentration camps. Fuck. Wow.
Starting point is 00:56:24 That's awful. Yeah. Yeah. So that's, it's sort of like. yeah, there's no happy endings in this. In World War II. At least that... Got it.
Starting point is 00:56:39 Got trapped. Got trapped. Is that what they say? Yep. There are many more missions that I could talk about. The topic is obviously too big. But these are just two small missions inside. Well, I mean, these are two sort of prominent ones, but there are so many.
Starting point is 00:56:57 Should I talk about one more or what do you think? Yeah, it'll be quick-ish. Yeah, okay, I reckon one more. All right, I'll talk about one more, and I'm not even, I won't even use my words. There's a guy called Giles Milton who wrote a book about the SOE entitled, The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare. Oh. You know, which is, you know,
Starting point is 00:57:17 Jiles. Totally about this topic. Jiles did, yeah. Fuck, yeah, great name. I bet he went to Oxbridge. Yeah, I bet he did too. And I think, I reckon because of this book, I don't know this for sure, but I think he maybe kind of popularized that term a bit more.
Starting point is 00:57:29 and maybe the whole thing. I'm guessing that's why people are suggesting this topic with that name is maybe because of this. I'm not sure. But anyway, I'm just going to read a little excerpt from... A passage? A little passage about one of the ministries, one of the chap's most important missions. This is the words of Giles Milton. Thank you. Take it away, Giles.
Starting point is 00:57:53 It was a few minutes before midnight and the moon was glancing brightly off the deep snow. In the shadows of the ravine, ten saboteurs could be seen clambering up the sides of a near vertical cliff, clutching at rocky outcrops and dangling spruce branches. He writes a lot of flowing prose. That's beautiful. He's painting a picture.
Starting point is 00:58:12 A couple of rhymes in there. Shakespeare. In the distance was there. Every time. Never speak over Giles. One rule of Giles. You're right. Sorry. Continue, please, Giles. I am Giles.
Starting point is 00:58:27 In the distance was their goal, the looming silhouette of the Norwegian hydro-norsk heavy water plant. This state-of-the-art factory was of vital importance to the Nazi war machine. The only place capable of producing the heavy water necessary for Hitler to build an atomic bomb. Its destruction was so crucial to the Allied war. You can do it. I was going to say a fort. Its destruction was so crucial to the Allied war effort, Winston Churchill himself had ordered it to be given the highest possible priority.
Starting point is 00:59:07 The stakes could not have been higher. If Hitler's scientists managed to build an atomic bomb, they would win the war. But if the factory could be destroyed, then Hitler's atomic ambitions would be at an end. For the mission, Gubbins, a man, colon, selected his Norwegian saboteurs, from men who had fled to England following the Nazi invasion of their country. Their leader was a bold 23-year-old named Roacham Ronenberg. He and his comrades were trained by two key members of Goebbins, Eric Bill Sykes and William Shanghai Buster Fairbann.
Starting point is 00:59:44 Oh my God, yes. He's got two nicknames there, Shanghai Buster. Shanghai Buster, that's his one nickname, he's the Shanghai Buster. Fuck, that's good. Who ran a secret killing school. Oh, okay. Oh, wow. Oh, no.
Starting point is 00:59:56 At Arrasig House in the Scottish Highlands. That was one of the triathes. training camps for the Wow. Yeah, Secret Killing school. But yeah. I don't like that.
Starting point is 01:00:04 It's pretty, I mean, it's funny because all of this is like, from one side you're like, it's obviously written as if some of these people on the Allied team were obviously probably a bit fucked as well. Rondenberg's team was parachuted into the Hardinger Plateau.
Starting point is 01:00:19 Plato. Landing in the teeth of an Arctic blizzard within striking distance of Norsk Hydro. Their sabotage mission got on away 10 days later under the cover of darkness. Darkness. I really like this Giles character you're putting on. The saboteurs clambered down into the vertiginous gorge below Norse Cardro and then began
Starting point is 01:00:43 their treacherous assent. Unseen by the guards, they reached the plant's perimeter fence and after using bolt cutters to gain access, they split into two pre-arranged groups. One led by Ronenberg was to break into the plant and blow up the equipment. The other was to provide cover against the Gestapo attack. Roneberg crept through the ventilation duct and attached the explosives. The charges that had been made at Brickentumbury Manor fitted like a glove he later said. How good on him.
Starting point is 01:01:11 The saboteurs were still inside the plant. Their stent guns trained on the German sentry posts when the explosives detonated. The sausage-shaped charges were fabulously destructive. imploding into the machinery and causing catastrophic damage. By the time the alarm was raised, the entire stock of Hitler's heavy water had drained away. There was shots of Wiener everywhere. The Norse-Hydro mission was textbook guerrilla warfare,
Starting point is 01:01:38 brilliantly planned and masterfully executed. Even the Germans were impressed. The commander of the German troops in Norway, General von Volkenhorst, expressed his admiration for the sabbatist's bravado, calling it the most splendid coup of the war. What? What?
Starting point is 01:01:52 Hitler's atomic program had suffered a setback from which it would never recover. Geez, I imagine Hitler wouldn't have loved that kind of feedback. Especially when you used the English word splendid. Yeah. Well, I thought that coup was rather splendid Hitler. Oh, dear. I should have said that to your face. Anyway, that's the end of the report.
Starting point is 01:02:13 I could have kept going and going. Wow. So many fascinating little stories in there across all of Europe and even around Japan. I'm always a bit wary of romanticising war too much. I don't know if I've done that in this episode. Probably haven't. Nah. I think it's been, there's been some pretty real moments.
Starting point is 01:02:29 Yeah, but where are the fun facts? They were all fun facts. You hear about all the explosions? The guy died. The evil guy died. The gun was jammed. That is fun. That is fun.
Starting point is 01:02:40 That cigarette lighter gun. That cigarette lighter gun was fun. The underwater canoe. I don't know. Hopefully, um, hopefully Rowan's happy with those ones. We just want Rowan to be happy. Yeah. That's all I want.
Starting point is 01:02:53 Look, I also want everyone to be happy. No, I just want. Ron to be happy. Fuck everyone else. Wow. And I'm happy and that's all I care about. Well, you're involved in my one too. Great.
Starting point is 01:03:06 By extension. Matt and I win. You're part of everyone. In a way. To me, I am everyone, so. But thanks guys for listening. Sorry if that was too brutal for you, Dave. I know you don't like some of that war history.
Starting point is 01:03:21 Yeah, I have never done a World War II topic on this show, apart from the three Monty's. We have done a few war ones now. We also have Mad Jack. We've done a few episodes. We have done a few episodes. This is nice something. Yeah. Because we're coming up to the 100th episode.
Starting point is 01:03:37 Yes, we are live September 16th. Get your tickets now. So excited. Hey, we should, before we wrap up, we should probably thank a few of our patrons. I think we definitely should. You should tell people how to do that too, Dave, if they want to do it. Well, if you want to support the show, say you've listened to every episode and you listen every week, then maybe you would like to give back to the show that gives you.
Starting point is 01:03:56 you so much. You can head over to... We couldn't keep a straight face with that. Sorry, I was really trying to be seriously, but I couldn't. You can head over to patreon.com slash do go on pod. And in exchange for a different levels of pledges, you get different levels of reward. You get different levels of pleasures. Yes.
Starting point is 01:04:15 And treasures. Including bonus episodes. That's one of the treasures. Or we do updates and stuff on there. Also, pre-sales to live shows and stuff that we do. And also a shout out on the episode to say thank you to the individual people that keep the show running. And I would like to thank if I could kick off. Please do.
Starting point is 01:04:38 All the way from Lawrenceville, Georgia. Georgia. Where's that? America, right? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, sorry, not Georgia, the country. I'm assuming not.
Starting point is 01:04:52 Not Georgia next door to Russia. Never know. Could be. Anyway, who's from Georgia? I would like to thank he's the shield of this show. It's Anthony Archield. Archield of Shield. He's our protector.
Starting point is 01:05:07 Thank you, Anthony. Anthony holding up the fort in Lawrenceville, Georgia. Appreciate your support. I think Anthony. I'd like to stay. You're doing a lot of accidental rhymes. To stay, if I may. That was not accidental.
Starting point is 01:05:19 In the state. I'd like to thank, um, Wow, this person, I hope they're listening on Ormond Beach, because that's where they're from. Ormond Beach. Was that a rhyme again? No, you're just the worst. Jess really hates thanking people.
Starting point is 01:05:39 She hates this segment so much. But do you hate it? I don't hate it. You do. You're so negative. I love thanking people because I really, like, I think it's really amazing. But you are just so, you can make a joke out of every single person's name. And then I get to it, I'm like,
Starting point is 01:05:53 Thank you, Frank. What Dave's joke just then, the one that really pushed you over the edge, was... I hope you're listening on the beach. I hope you're listening at the place you're from. Okay, I'm sorry, go. Ormond Beach in Florida. I would like to thank...
Starting point is 01:06:10 I'd like to thank Noah Vol. Oh man, there would have been a few Ormond Beach Florida listeners sitting on the edge of the... Here we go. Is it me? Is it me? But no, it's Noah. I'm afraid, unless you are Noah Vol, it's not your turn. But please keep waiting on that.
Starting point is 01:06:23 pitch for us and thank you to Noah Vol. Good job, Noah. Can I go next? Yes. Great. Jess will be like, thank you too, blah, blah. Good night. She's left. She goes. She's going, butabing, butaboon.
Starting point is 01:06:37 Learn from a professional kid. No, it's not that I like thanking people. I just find it kind of stressful to make a joke or a pun with every single person. I would just like to genuinely thank people. I legit just read out the beach he was from. I gave it as a bad example because you normally, oh fuck, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:06:53 Anyway, keeping it within the States, interestingly, and within the Anthony's, because you had an Anthony. I did Anthony, Archield, The Shield. I also have an Anthony. The Blue Wiggle. Anthony, the Blue Wiggle, my favourite of the Wiggles. But this Anthony is from Utah. Give me two. A Utah!
Starting point is 01:07:11 Meatball! Give it two. Great. What a great movie. Oh, it's amazing. What is that? Point break. It's the original.
Starting point is 01:07:21 I don't know. Maybe they said it in the new one. Another great cameo was by the Red Art Chili Peppers singer. What's his name? Anthony Keatis. Also in Anthony. Anthony. He goes, but that would be a waste of time.
Starting point is 01:07:34 That's not a favorite movie quotes. That's a good quote. But that would be a waste of time. Well, from that Anthony to this Anthony, I hope Anthony Fenelius. Oh, that's the best Anthony name of all. That's a pretty good name. I hope he's enjoyed point break and also do go on and supporting it. Hey, Finelius.
Starting point is 01:07:52 Give me two. Me ball. Meepal! And also, I would also like to thank, from Texas, Wow. Not an Anthony, but a Naomi Chapman. Oh, good name. Great name.
Starting point is 01:08:09 Thank you, Naomi. She'd be a big fan of the chaps. Oh, yeah. She's a big chapman. She's one of the original chaps. Yeah, I bet she was related to one of the chaps. Maybe Gubbins. I guarantee she is.
Starting point is 01:08:21 Gubbins changes the name to Chaps. Chapman soon after the war. You must. Chapman for life. So thank you, Naomi and Anthony, for listening and supporting the podcast. Hey, I'd love to bring us back to the home front and thank someone from our capital territory, the Australian Capital Territory. Canberra.
Starting point is 01:08:40 Well, that's inside the ACC. I don't know. I have time to explain everything about that, but I'd love to thank Laura Cotterill. Laura. Cotterol. My dad picks the fruit. The ghost to coderol. I went to codroll. Yeah, that's what I was thinking as well.
Starting point is 01:08:59 That makes a lot more sense. Doesn't make a lot more sense more. Than cotties? Yeah, well, I don't think Laura's giving me any sort of sick feeling, okay? Maybe if that sick feeling is the sick feeling of being supported by a friend of the podcast. Or the sick feeling of drinking way too much cordial. Hmm? Yeah, I should have diluted it a bit more.
Starting point is 01:09:15 So you just got to stop drinking it straight. Thank you, Laura. It makes you feel alive. Thank you so much, Laura. Hey, Laura. Your legend. I'd also love to thank from San Diego, a Wales vagina. In California, Aaron Stosol.
Starting point is 01:09:32 Aaron. Aaron. Aaron Stosal. San Diego. San Diego. Which I've heard is an amazing place. My brother went there and said he just had the best time. He said it was fucking sick.
Starting point is 01:09:45 Is that your impression of your brother? He needed Codrell afterwards. Oh. No, that was. That was just my impression of... No, my brother would have said it like... Tom. Tom, he would have been more like...
Starting point is 01:09:56 Yeah, no, it was really great. Yeah, I had a really good time. Yeah, yeah. But you knew what he meant. I knew what he meant. It was fucking... It was hectic. Bro?
Starting point is 01:10:06 Bro. Thanks, Aaron. Aaron Stozel. I really like your name. I hope I'm saying it right now. Yeah, thanks Tom. He doesn't listen. My sister Alex does.
Starting point is 01:10:13 Hey, Alex. Hi, Alex. I know Alex. We all know Alex. I'd like to say hi to Tom for when he finally gets around to listening. He'll get there. Eventually. So that's great.
Starting point is 01:10:23 I mean, I just, I'm super blown away all the time. I'd write newsletters sporadically to the patrons, and I think I probably go on about it too much. But I'm so fucking blown away by the support of these mad dogs. You guys are the best. I think I love you. Oh, wow, Matt. Be cool.
Starting point is 01:10:40 Too soon. Play cool. Play cool. Hey, cool, cool, cool, all right. Aaron, no, Aaron, I just think, I just thought maybe, you know, we could see. But maybe one day we could be mates. There we go, smooth. I'm going to come to San Diego.
Starting point is 01:10:52 No, no, no, no, you're on too weird. Okay. Okay. If you're ever in sight. Can I go to the Australian Capital Territory and visit Laura Cotterall? No, you can't go to a house. Not a house, maybe I just have her territory. And then I'm going to piss in it, so now it's my territory, like a dog.
Starting point is 01:11:11 Yeah? Yeah, like a mad dog. All right, I want to wrap this up, guys. Good call. Good call, I reckon. Thank you so much for listening, guys. You want to get in contact. or buy a ticket to our 100th show the links are all in the description of this episode.
Starting point is 01:11:28 But at Do Go On Pod for Twitter, Facebook and Instagram. You can drop us an email. So just a topic. We love that. Do Go OnPod at gmail.com. But yeah, thanks so much for listening, guys. We'll be back with a new report next week. But until then, I will say goodbye. Later.
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