Do Go On - 93 - The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare

Episode Date: August 2, 2017

The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare (aka the Special Operations Executive or SOE). What was it? A secret World War II organisation and the brain child of then British Prime Minister Winston Churchil...l. This ep has it all, espionage, sabotage, reconnaissance and fuckhead Nazis. Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPoTwitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: dogoonpod@gmail.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:01:29 Always drive safely. This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Warnocky and I'm here with Just Perkins and Matt Stewart. Hello. Hello. Good evening. It's really good to be here. A pleasure, as always. I think some think that this is your show and we're like Sort of like Recurring guest. Oh, that's good. Don't you think that's weird? Dave, do you want to set the records straight now and just let everyone know that the Jess and I are as if not more important than you
Starting point is 00:02:18 Yeah, let them know that we're as if not more Imported than you so your co-stars, so you want, if not, you want even slightly higher stars. No, no, no, no, no, no. I think the credits would go, do go on starring Dave Warnocky, co-starring Matt Stewart, special guest star, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Starting point is 00:02:39 I want to introduce, I want to introduce. Yeah, I want to introduce. Every week, 100 weeks in a row. Could we, could we do like this, a starring Dave Ornicky introducing Jess Perkins and as old man Matt Stewart? That's great. My favorite ones were the last bit of the credits for some reason the only one that says and as And their character name for some reason I never got what I was and as TJ Swimmers Matt Stewart you're like what? Yeah, who are the others? And it's Old Man. Now, I would like it to be the original Gilligan's
Starting point is 00:03:08 island style, which is, and the rest, the rest were two more people. Just say it. So later on, when the show got popular, they'd change and the rest to the professor and Maryanne. But before that, the professor and Maryanne with the rest, that's brutal. They've named six people. And you're then, there's brutal name six people and you then there's two more just name them Maybe more so Dave Matt and the rest and the
Starting point is 00:03:34 Jazz oh, it's good. Yeah, yes, you are the Jess of the program I love the program. What you call a little program today on today's program Let's get Craig on the show. I think call a little program. Today on today's program. Let's get Craig on this show. I think it's fun. A big report. And I think it's a really good one. And holy shit, I'm nervous about it because it is, it is, my brain was exploding. You know, those ones where you like following rabbits everywhere down the holes, the rabbit holes. And I was down the holes. Oh, hang on. So yeah, it's just a real, it was a bit of a sprawling thing. I think I've found a few nuggets in this. A few nugs. A few little nuggies and you know delicious. So let's get
Starting point is 00:04:13 on with it. Okay. Can I ask you what guys are questions? Well we do always start with a question so that would be traditional yes. All right. Well this is basically asking the question, have you guys heard of this topic? But I'll ask the question and see. Can you guys give me a shit for not writing questions? Well, I've written it. That's one way. The words are here on the screen. Okay, yeah, no, okay.
Starting point is 00:04:32 Because I hadn't heard of this at all. Okay. The question is, what secret department did Winston Churchill set up to help win World War II for the Allies? Oh, Winnie Blues. The Winnie Blues. That's a cigarette brand the Churchill chaps Oh god, I made that laugh
Starting point is 00:04:59 Sorry teeth like he bent teeth you should I did a web series show the other now I couldn't stop laughing I know I know You really laughed that was not really well out of notes on there actually everyone Kate Denon and and Evan Monroe Smith rule in fine form Yeah, making me bloody low-hard Dave any idea You heard of the Churchill chaps a Gallipoli 2.0 even more fucked than the first time, because that was all Churchill's fault. Okay. Oh yeah, he plotted that and really fucked it.
Starting point is 00:05:33 Now what, the topic as suggested, Churchill Chaps. This wasn't the official name, but this is sort of an unofficial name of it. The Ministry of Ungentlemintly Warfare. Oh, that is a cool title. You know what, I'm gonna admit that it's better than Churchill chips. Wow, I'm willing to admit that. They took them both to focus groups.
Starting point is 00:05:53 They both pulled well, one pulled better than the other. This has actually been suggested by a few different listeners, including lords, lords, arrambuffa, and dolan. But the reason I'm doing this, Lords, Arambhaffa and Dolan. But the reason I'm doing this... Sorry, Ty. I'll do it if you could just let me finish this. What is Laured? Well, it's someone at Laured's.
Starting point is 00:06:14 Laured's. How do you spell that? L-A-U-R-I-D-S, Lords. All right, okay, fair enough. Okay, carry on. But the reason I'm doing this topic today, as I I was saying is because it was put in the golden hat by legendary listener and Patreon supporter Rowan Epstein. Rowan!
Starting point is 00:06:35 Rowan, who we have met in real life. We have. And appreciate it as company in real life. Hopefully so you are the 100th episode Rowan. I feel like it be there. If he's free and if he's available and he can make it, or he can he'll be there Thank you Rowan Thanks so much for the suggestion, great suggestion
Starting point is 00:06:51 So he suggested it as the Ministry Is it Epstein? I think it's Epstein I was corrected on that recently, that spelling, the E and the I Because I grew up in the electorate of Goldstein and we were shooting a show here with the member for Goldstein The federal member Tim Wilson. He was here shooting and I'm like I grew up in Goldstein He's like actually it's pronounced Goldstein. The special operations executive is what it was more officially known as. Special opposite. So the SOE. The special operations executive. So easy.
Starting point is 00:07:27 Yeah, I can see why the unden minimally warfare is really stuck. Yeah. It sounds like a movie franchise. It's also, this is closer to what Jess is saying, but some people have called it Churchill's Secret Army, which is pretty close to the Churchill Chaps. So I'm happy to go with it, if you like. I want to, yes please. The Churchill Chaps. So I'm happy to go with it, if you like. I want to, yes please.
Starting point is 00:07:45 The Churchill Chaps were formed when three secret British war departments merged after the start of World War II. So soon after the start, these departments were... How did they know of each other if they were all secret? Well, the people from above with merging was Churchill, oh, I'm sorry, Jess, that's really... Don't answer seriously, Jess never says anything serious. So the first one was MI-R, which was like MI-6 and all that. You know, I didn't realize there's MI-6, MI-5, there's been a bunch of different ones.
Starting point is 00:08:19 MI-R, MI is military intelligence and the R is for search. Oh, fuck, sorry. No, sorry, I wouldn't have got that. My R, MI is military intelligence and the R is research. No, sorry, I wouldn't have got that. Which is a department of the war office that was charged with researching guerrilla warfare. Also department EH, which is named after the building it was set up in. So it's pretty boring.
Starting point is 00:08:39 What do we call it? Hey, that's fine, says EH. Yeah, we got it. Now we know we'll ever know where our headquarters are either. And that's fine, says the H. Yeah, we got it. No, no one will ever know where our headquarters are either. And that's lunch. That was a propaganda organization, which was created by the foreign office, and a company that, there's a whole job that's come up with, like catchy slogans. It's called the H. Right. In. And then thirdly section D which I like I love love section D propaganda and sabotage arm of the secret intelligence service okay a
Starting point is 00:09:13 SIS okay Am I six now found it hard to say a K then hmm? That was interesting all of it. I think I learned about yourself. I'm told a K is part of the title of those okay Am I six a K's in also known as Dave Keep up man. Keep up man. But I was gonna use other was a K.A. a K.A. am I six also known as a K.A. Well, yeah as as of now it is a K.A. a K.A. am I six? Those say the way a K.A. a K.A. a I'm like, yeah, I'm like, yeah, I'm like, yeah, I'm like, yeah, I'm like, yeah, I'm like,
Starting point is 00:09:47 yeah, I'm like, yeah, I'm like, yeah, I'm like, yeah, I'm like, yeah, I'm like, yeah, I'm like, yeah, I'm like, yeah, I'm like, yeah, I'm like, yeah, I'm like, yeah, I'm like, yeah, I'm like, yeah, I'm like, yeah, I'm like, yeah, I'm like, yeah, I'm like, yeah, I'm like, yeah, they overlapped in objectives, you know, and at some objectives, and at times they even duplicated each other's work, especially the propaganda work of Section D in Department EH. Following the resignation of Neville Chamberlain on May the 10th, 1940, Winston Churchill became
Starting point is 00:10:19 the prime minister of the United Kingdom. This is about nine months after Britain and was already in World War II, which I didn't realize, but that's how I'm not so great with World War II stuff. You are Dave, though, from memory. You know what fair bit about it. You know much about Nev's work. He sort of lost, he lost the confidence of the parliament and the people of it. And that's what led to Churchill. And you know what?
Starting point is 00:10:50 It's just that he needed to just earn it. He did. He did. Just like fake it till you make it. You know, you appear confident. People have confidence in you. Do you know what I mean? I think I do.
Starting point is 00:11:03 Within a month of taking office, Churchill was working towards combining the three departments into one old super badass war organization. After appointing his Minister of Economic Warfare Hugh Dalton with the responsibility of the new organization, Churchill reportedly said, and now said, Europe ablaze. That's like a famous quote of his about it, apparently. It's a good one. And now said, Europe ablaze. That's like a famous quote of his about it apparently. It's a good one. And now set Europe ablaze. Sir, I just need to remind you that you are technically part of Europe.
Starting point is 00:11:30 I want to stand. Stop. Stop. This room we're standing right now. Is that it? Have you got matches on you? Let's go. Because I am an alcoholic and very flammable.
Starting point is 00:11:42 He was a big alcoholic. I wasn't even. Chetchill. I think a big alcoca guy, wasn't he? Churchill? I think a big drinker, a drinker, sorry. Do me a throw around. Throw words like alcoa around like that. That wasn't, that's not cool. Takes one to no one. Yeah. On the 22nd of July 1940, the special operations executive was officially formed by Dalton, with a charter to sabotage, conduct reconnaissance and espionage in occupied Europe and to help resistance movements on the ground. Dalton is said to have used the IRAs work during the Irish War of Independence as a bit of a blueprint.
Starting point is 00:12:21 So, sorry, sabotage. Sabotage Espionage and what was the middle one conduct Reconnest Nigel Farage Sabotage sabotage reconnaissance at espionage. What's your favorite? Oh, there's three of them. We can have one each Or reconnaissance is fucking boring. I like this. Yeah, sabotage. One more.
Starting point is 00:12:46 Safe. Yeah, which I feel like is you. You'd be the safe one. You're not going to go in for any espionage, are you? How do you know I haven't been undercover this whole time? Come on mate. Come on now. Is that out fit?
Starting point is 00:12:58 It's just so crazy you might be believable. Someone would dress like that and really? No, it would behave the way he does. I want to dress like that. Really? No, I would behave the way he does. Yeah, I reckon they would. In November 1940 is the Nazi Air Force, the Luftwaffe. Great, great phrase isn't it. It is great.
Starting point is 00:13:17 Luftwaffe. It's not quite right, is it? I'm not doing quite now. No, it's Luftwaffe. It's um, 99 Luftwaffer balloons. Uh, as the Luftwaffer was bombing Central London, the special operations executive set up its headquarters in two flats on Baker Street. Oh, Baker Street?
Starting point is 00:13:39 Oh no, it's not. What was that, Chicago? Did it, did it? You want? I went the wrong way. Yeah, that's not obvious. What was that Chicago? You know what? I went the wrong way. Yeah, that's what I was looking for. It's supposed to be supposed to be. When he converted into a sax.
Starting point is 00:13:54 What was lips do? Why can't he make eye contact with that? That was my impression of a man who hadn't played this act for only 50 years picking it up for the first time. I think I remember this song. And it was interesting. So this is where they set up. Right.
Starting point is 00:14:16 This is all interesting. I was going to bet to go off on a tangent. I've written so many. I don't need to go off on to others. From this base, they began to recruit agents. According to a Nigel Moris article for the BBC he said, senior staff at the SOE were invariably ex public school and Oxbridge which I didn't know what meant. I looked at
Starting point is 00:14:35 public school in the UK means private school. Oh that's private school so they're all wealthy. Top types and Oxbridge means Oxford and Cambridge. So yeah so they're all sort of the exclusively educated types. Because you can trust them, because if they're already rich, they're happy. They're not gonna, like they're not motivated by money, because they already have money. Exactly. You can't, like you can't bribe them, because they're like, that's pocket change for me. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:01 I think of, yeah, well that's just the top brass, anyway. That's the, the, the offices and that sort of stuff But he goes on to say that the agents came from all walks and included a former chef in Electrician several journalists and the daughter of a Brixton motor car dealer That's pretty cool. It does say at first. I thought it was gonna be like guys. We've got people from all walks of life Greg knows the chef So his personal life guys he only just got into Oxford We've got people from all walks of life. Greg knows the chef. So, he's personal one. He only just got into Oxford.
Starting point is 00:15:28 I really thought, like so, he's pretty average. I really thought, Jess, you're one of the last one there. It was... She's the daughter of a son. This is a woman who probably has her own things, but she's listed here because her dad sold cars. So weird. Oh, I dad did a job.
Starting point is 00:15:44 Oh, she's in. it just seem really funny me anyway Yeah, I noticed you looked straight at me and I was like because normally whenever someone said and his wife Yeah, you're like what's the fucking wife's name? So I thought it might have been a similar scenario, but I was wrong I had written in their pause for Jess to go on rant The podcast will now be 10 minutes shorter than expected. So, anyway, it was a bit of a cross section of society. As missions were undertaken behind enemy lines, so this is what I was all about. It's about little gorilla crews going behind enemy lines and just fucking shit up.
Starting point is 00:16:23 Alright, so we've got Sarah here, her dad owns a car dealership. How can we best use her skills? All right, we'll send her into Berlin and she'll take a car for a spin. And when it's out, she'll put a bomb underneath it. Yeah, that'll work. Does she speak German? No. Don't eat it.
Starting point is 00:16:42 Can't she drive? No. No, but her dad does so. It's all about her dad. Interesting you mentioned that. Obviously it was important that the agents had a deep knowledge of the country where they would operate. They needed to speak the language fluently.
Starting point is 00:16:56 Yeah, she speaks car. Right? She goes into the dealership. Good and targ and she just goes. Brum brum. Brum me, brum brum. Oh! Welcome.
Starting point is 00:17:11 Welcome to my city, brum brum. Brum, brum. Brum, brum. Do you miss breaking the brum? Connancy bronze bracket. Yeah. Oh yeah. At this time, if they were dual citizens, that was, that was saying, it was a real bonus.
Starting point is 00:17:35 Obviously, because you don't need a forge, passports and documents that way. The SOE was ahead of the game with its use of women in armed combat. As those sent into the field were trying to use weapons and in unarmed combat. But I mean, they're still wearing aprons while they do it, so that's OK. But at the time, they would normally make them wear two aprons.
Starting point is 00:17:54 So it was saying, as being progressive, it's just the one. And pretty dangerous, too. Of their 55 female agents that they had over through the war, 13 were killed in action or in Nazi concentration camp So that they were seeing active dangerous action Which you know across the rest of the army at that stage wasn't happening as much I believe wow But like I say I don't fucking know anything. Hey you were listening to me for I was around
Starting point is 00:18:22 But I was hiding in a bunker. Real weird thing happened towards the end of the war. This guy with a little mustache came in. Couldn't understand where he was saying. But is there with his niece? Was he just fucking like nobody's business? I think. I was trying not to look.
Starting point is 00:18:38 Anyway. Ended up with a balloon in his brain. Weird chap. Weird guy. Was he brooming at you? He was... He was... David brooming at you? He was um, even brooming at me Wow well, that's the best joke of the pot
Starting point is 00:18:58 While this recruitment process is happening This guy that I like I like mainly mainly mainly for his name, but he's also seems like a, he's one of those classic war guys that we've been talking about through past episodes where they're just those sort of badass guys. His name is Colonel Colin Gobern's. Gobern. Which is pretty cool. Fuck yeah. fuck yeah uh... Collins a badass name isn't it? God other than over your car yes and it's a pretty cool car it's a cool car
Starting point is 00:19:31 and the gobbins, it was mainly the gobbins and the bed boys, bed boys what you gonna do? Collins hit a fuck shit not Colin he's got a real reputation. He was S.O.E.'s head of training and operations and he started turning properties and mansions across the UK into agent training bases. So according to Morris, new agents were taught how to kill with their bare hands, how to
Starting point is 00:20:02 disguise themselves, how to derail a train and even how to get out of pair of handcuffs with a piece of thin wire and a diary pencil. If an agent survived these tests and a grueling parachute course, they were ready to go. They love parachutes in this, a lot of parachuting in. A lot of these missions were parachute in. But not many parachuted out. No, it was quite difficult. Even with a pencil diary, they just didn't get it. They taught and they taught real hard, they taught hard. Colin, he teaches hard. I love the idea that they think that they'll always have a diary pencil on hand.
Starting point is 00:20:39 Well, when you're in handcuffs, they'll expect you to keep a journal. It's very difficult to write. Didari, day three. Still cuffed. Hang on. It's been in my hands all along. S.O.E. also employed scientists to invent weapons of war in what Morris describes as the 007 factor. UniGrad's working for the S.O.E. invented devices such as the single7 factor. UniGrad's working for the SOE invented devices such as the
Starting point is 00:21:06 single-shot cigarette pistol and the sleeping beauty which was a submersible canoe. SOE workshops also created Carboreundum which was an abrasive grease that could bring a steam train to an immediate standstill They invented Carbore on the grace grace yeah, apparently it was a brisive grace So if they apparently if there was a certain way that they rubbed it on other tracks Rubbed it the wrong way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, rubbed it Rubbed a train the wrong way. Yeah, and you'll some a deadon it's That's fascinating.
Starting point is 00:21:46 Yeah. So yeah, it's sort of fun, like, all these just like on... Invent some cool shit. Um, they also had a camouflage section, which was run by a film director named Elder Willis. I can see you! You have failed! He oversaw a team of movie prop makers. So, I love it. It's just people from ever coming in. Many
Starting point is 00:22:08 Simple yet ingenious items were created such as a fake tree trunk mold that could conceal radio equipment and fake camel shit There was actually a booby trap Okay Okay. Yeah. I guess it looks like camelshit and you drop it in the, you know, what in Berlin, in Berlin. And then what? And then what? And then what?
Starting point is 00:22:30 If somebody goes over and is like, hi, let me inspect this pile of camelshits. No, it's like, you know, like a mine. So you'd put camelshit on the road and cars or whatever. Yeah. A happy to drive over them. But. Bang. Now, what they'd really do is they'd get camelshit and inside they'd be the people inspecting the camel shit they'd be like this is just camo. This is dried up
Starting point is 00:22:48 They pick it up it would crumble and then they get dog shit on their shoes It would crumble and it'd be human shit. Yeah They're on somehow and I'd freak them out. They'd be like oh, I'm out. I was like how would they know it was their own shit Oh, you know, no shit. Yes, I could recognize my shit in the lineup of a hundred you could Dead I'll someone will lead me blindfolded to a mystery location So I don't recognize where I am. Oh shit. I'll trust you to lead me to a safe place I will shit into a receptacle you can take a photo of it I don't want to do that and then we'll swap it in with 99 other photos
Starting point is 00:23:25 and I'll be able to pick mine. OK, I'm going to prove that World War II exists. Hey, he's dedicated to the cause. And I appreciate that. But I shock a not taking picture of Dave's shit. All right, Matt will take the photo just to hold the receptacle. Damn it!
Starting point is 00:23:42 The, uh, the, uh, the, you have to be, That is tiny tush. You have to be... It's a plastic pack. I'll have to be pretty accurate. Does that make sense? Well, I'll have to be... or a lot receptacle. Either way. But don't tell me what you're planning because I don't want to recognize it. What the fuck is happening? you? I appreciate science, I'm like you. Yeah, just wake up. Sorry, you're right, you love poo chat. Matt Pugoland.
Starting point is 00:24:15 The Secret Intelligence Service, now known as the MI6, viewed SOE with great suspicion. The head of the Secret Intelligence Service, Sir Stuart Menzies, wasn't into the work of the S.O.E. at all. He would describe them as amateur, dangerous, and bogus, and campaigned internally against them. But as they were the baby of Prime Minister Churchill, they were... Give it a free pass. They were pretty much, yeah, they were... As long as Churchill was in charge, they were all good.
Starting point is 00:24:43 Churchill's chops. They're the chopsaps after all. And? Chapats. Chapats. So, so. Chapinas. Chapinas.
Starting point is 00:24:53 The SOE, it's got three spy military organizations, but not MI6. No, not MI6. Well, those sort of all dissolved into this one. So it's now the one thing. MI6 is still separate. Right. And they're criticizing us. Right. They're not in it. Because I mean, it's not to them. It's like, because they are armatures. They literally are mature. They're not letting they are getting paid away.
Starting point is 00:25:16 They're literally not armatures, but they're not well trained. Right. They're in this field. They're like film directors. Yeah, that's right. trained. Right, they're like film directors. Yeah, that's right. The S.O.E. undertook the Chaps undertook missions right across the war in numerous countries. One example, I'm going to go into a few of them, because I thought maybe it was the best way to to to talk about it. Because there were hundreds of missions. So I've just picked out a few to talk about. And hopefully that'll give you a bit of an idea. So one example was Operation Josephine B, also known, apparently, as Operation Josephine. So like, anyway, it's like a couple of wildly different names there, seems confusing.
Starting point is 00:26:01 If there are no other let it, Josephine, let's just call... Yeah. I reckon the MI6 is right, Josephine, let's just call. Yeah. I reckon the MI6 is right. These are a bunch of amateurs. So this is in 1941. It was jointly organized with free France, which I hadn't heard of.
Starting point is 00:26:15 Free France is the name of the French government in exile led by Charles de Gaulle, which was set up in London in June 1940. Charles de Gaulle went in the big train station in Paris, one of them. You mean airport? Airport, fuck. So this mission was jointly organized with free France, and the aim of the mission was to blow up the Pessac power station, which was an important piece of infrastructure for the act of evil.
Starting point is 00:26:43 The act of evil. The station was difficult to reach by air, but the plan was to drop a small team nearby via parachute. Oh, the traditional method. Settle. From there? Yeah, they're never looking at the skies. Never.
Starting point is 00:26:56 Looking at the ground. Look at their bloody phones. They'll be digging up through the ground like moles in any second. Nath, way dropping from the skies. From there they would break into the station, leave bombs with delayed timers destroying the bloody joint. That's the plan, right?
Starting point is 00:27:11 You feel I'm sorry for the, tell me you don't feel any sympathy for the, the excess of evil, Jess. I mean, they've got families. Yeah, Nazi families. Nazi children, Nazi dogs. I had a custom of the other day at my job his name was Swastika. No, first name. First name. And I was like I definitely heard that wrong. So later in the conversation I was like I'm sorry what was your name? Can you spell that for me?
Starting point is 00:27:40 And it was Swastika. What was the surname Smith? That's definitely that's someone who's chosen it for himself Do it yourself. Yeah, there's no way that parents would have named you right and you grew up and don't go I'm changing that name that someone I think I mean obviously I think of the cultural thing But yeah, you would think you would change your name The team was made up of six Polish volunteers who were trained up for the mission. They set off from a Royal Air Force based near Chichester in West Sussex, but due to a technical fault, a bunch of their equipment was accidentally dropped
Starting point is 00:28:16 over the law river, the law in France. It's like a big river there. I've never seen... how would you say that? Loh. The Loh. Dropped over the Loh in France and they had to turn back. The mission was off to a poor start. You could argue. I don't know. I will argue. Okay, I will argue after I say, I only got worse when their plane crash landed on their return, killing some crew and wounding all the volunteers.
Starting point is 00:28:43 Loved a little bit too early there. Yes you did. Yes, you did. I hear a question I think. This is going to end very finally. What a mess. Oh, no. Yeah, so that was just a big old failure. So a second team was put in place. They were keen to make this happen, obviously.
Starting point is 00:28:59 This time with free French forces, so people from the French nationals, including Sergeant J. Foreman, sub-Lutennet or sub-left-tenant Raymond Kabard, and sub-Lutennet, or left-tenant, André Vania, aka Jacques Lebronc. I'm gonna say these are the least French names ever until the aka came in.
Starting point is 00:29:22 Jacques. First guy's name is John Foreman. J Foreman. Initial J. Or I can use short for Jacques. John Foreman. John. What was the last name?
Starting point is 00:29:32 Jacques Le Bon. Jacques Le Bonc. Love it. Love that. Which means the what? The black? The what? That's white.
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Starting point is 00:30:05 or on campus, and financial aid is available to qualified students, including the GI Bill. Now is the time, mycomputercareer.edu. Um, so that was selected for the mission. So a small team of three this time, instead of six initially. And I was sent to stations. You could say that's half the size of the team. That's half the size. I've downsized for sure. Who's getting better at math? No, me, me, me, me, me.
Starting point is 00:30:31 No, you're right. No, you're doing real well there, Jess. So I've sent to station 17 for training in industrial sabotage by inventor, engineer, and soldier, Cecil van der Pierre Clark. Oh, the Clark ruined a little bit, didn't it? CVC, I'm just gonna call him Cecil van der Pier, Clark. Oh, the Clark ruined a little bit, didn't it? CVC, I'm just going to call him Cecil. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:50 He was an interesting guy, the Cecil guy, an inventor, an engineer, a soldier. This guy did it all. And he was one of the big dogs in the Chaps. He was no doubt about that. Yeah, he was an interesting guy, grew up in London and was known to his friends as a knobby. In between serving...
Starting point is 00:31:08 No, to his very close friends, this is a knobby. In between serving in the first and second wars, he worked as a director at a motor company in Bedford where he registered patents relating to engine design. So, you know, is it somewhat of a go-getter? The engineering kind of guy inventing very industrious. This guy had it all. Soon after he designed his own engine,
Starting point is 00:31:31 but shelved the project when he realized, he shelved the project. Wow. Up the butt. If that's what you say? Yeah. An entire engine. Up the butt.
Starting point is 00:31:41 Up the butt. He became more machine than man. And that's where it took a real butt. He became more machined than man. And that's where it took a real turn. He was a different time, wasn't it? He started speaking car. Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr So each of that project, because he realized that larger companies would be able to make it happen more economically than he could. He then started his own company designing trailers and caravans as well. And the editor of the caravan and trailer magazine met with Cecil for an interview and later described his first impressions of the inventor saying,
Starting point is 00:32:18 Clark at once fascinated me. He was a very large man with rather hesitant speech, who at first struck me as being amiable, but not outstandingly bright. The second part of this impression did not last long. Right, so he said he was bright. He was bright. He's got to be right. He's inventing all this stuff. He doesn't seem bright.
Starting point is 00:32:37 He didn't say it because he's the way he talks so and so. Sounds like someone else we know. He doesn't at Dave. Talks a bit slow. Amiable, but not bright. You know? Talks a bit slow. I mean, but we're not bright, you know? Yeah, a big man. Big man. Large.
Starting point is 00:32:51 Some of the tip of my tongue. Is it the guy that Arnold Schwarzenegger? Yeah, that's who it is. I was gonna say the guy who was once Californians governor. He's biggest claim to fame. Yeah, yeah, you know I'm from that? Yeah. I'm from the African politics.
Starting point is 00:33:07 I was watching the politician. Yeah, the politician. The famous American politician. I'm in a fair with his, um, Nanny. Yeah. I'm flashing quains. She was there to sell make up, but they saw more. A lot more.
Starting point is 00:33:18 Shit style. Mr. Chef. Mr. Schwartz and I go. This problem was fine! That was my Arnie! This podcast hasn't gone to the bloody depths of comedy. It's fine! He writes Broadway musicals!
Starting point is 00:33:38 But he could never quite reach the heights of Android Web Arch. He had a big rivalry with Andrew Lloyd. Him and him and Arnold Schwarzenegger. So this all probably seems like a bit of a weird tangent. I don't know if you noticed it. I just started going into the back story. Oh, about the trailer man. Yeah, but Cecil.
Starting point is 00:33:56 Cecil and McCray, the editor, would meet again in 1939. At this point McCray was now editor of a popular science magazine. He'd moved up from the caravans and trailers magazine Dream job by the way the background there is that there was a caravan magazine and a trailer magazine They didn't have enough market so they merged. I think that's what that's impossible. I would like to say that's a fact The 30s were a different time. Hmm trailer mag. McCray contacted Cecil after being contacted himself by Major Millis Roland Jefferus of the War Office. Jefferus, who's your teeth click then? Jefferus. And this guy had read an article in McCray's Science
Starting point is 00:34:40 Magazine about powerful magnets. The major wanted McCray to create a kind of explosives. It could be magnetically adhered to things like ships under the water. And McCray, our assessor would help make this happen. A magnetic explosive. Yeah. So I could, you know, just stick it on a big warships. Sessil agreed and they set to work. Does that make sense as a phrase? Yeah, great. Making prototypes. Big.
Starting point is 00:35:12 To be. Not that bright. These encouragement. So they started making prototypes with large tin bowls purchased from a local department store. That was actually what was, but anyway. And using porridge in place of explosives in the early things, it sort of sounds more like they're making breakfast to me.
Starting point is 00:35:30 Pourage in the, in the buzzes. The part of explosives will be played by porridge. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha But that's not how you make explosives. So we'll say it by the ribs over there jacket. And they just cover it in porridge. They're damp with porridge. Give me the cash for everyone dies. So are you covering porridge? Did you spill your breakfast?
Starting point is 00:35:57 Do what it says. He looks on the internet. Roll notes. Roll notes. Right that. Anyway, they kept working on it and eventually invented this new kind of mine and named it the Limpit Mine. After the sea snail, known for its ability to adhere to rocks, so quite similar to the
Starting point is 00:36:16 bombs, obviously, in that way. The Limpit Mine's also had a delay mechanism, so that after it had been put in place, the soldier would have time to get away before the explosion and That is where the sea creature and the mines differed Secret you had no time up you wrote that joke didn't you? You fucking wrote that down. Yeah, right on down The sea snail didn't have a delay mechanism nor did they explode admittedly Oh two different. Yeah. Yeah, it was interesting.
Starting point is 00:36:47 Wait, wait, when you wrote that today, presumably, did you? I wrote two jokes in this report. That was the first of them. Oh, there's another one coming. Yeah, I can't remember where, but there was a two part of there. Soon after the limpets had been invented and manufactured. Manufactured. World War II broke. So this is what I'm taking you back a step.
Starting point is 00:37:10 I broke. Doesn't they're preparing for World War II? This is before the Army came and they sort of know it's going down. Pretty world war. It broke. How are they going to stick it back together? A bit of sticky tape. World War. It broke. How are you going to stick it back together? Bit of a stick attack.
Starting point is 00:37:26 The World War. When you break your mum's vase, vase. The Limpant Mines were used in many raids in the war, including Operation J-Wik. In September 1943, small team of Allied Commandos raided Japanese shipping in Singapore Harbour, paddling into the harbor, then placing the mines onto multiple ships, sinking or seriously damaging seven Japanese ships. Nice one.
Starting point is 00:37:54 So these things that started with Bolzaparage ended up like, having... Sinking ships. Sinking ships. Okay, well I've had Bolzaparg and I've had a similar effect on me Blue slips think ships, you fill those lips with porridge. You're gonna be sunk. Mm-hmm. That's how the saying goes It is anyway Back to operation Josephine B which oh my god. We said to get 14 minutes ago So the three-man team from free France were sent to station 17 for training under Cecil's Second plan, second group because the Polish people crashed. Yes, the Polish people crashed. This is this is team two the French
Starting point is 00:38:34 And Under under Cecil they learnt well and they set off on the night of May 11th, parachuting in, they hid their container of equipment, which included these smaller shape-chargers, limpets that Cecil taught them how to use, I assume. I don't know if sure, but they guess so. The plan was to obtain bicycles to make a silent getaway, but when they were unable to do so, they couldn't source bicycles, and they also found that the perimeter wall was harder to get over than first thought They couldn't write a bicycle over it because there was a high voltage wire inside the top of the
Starting point is 00:39:12 Nine-foot wall so you have to scale this quite large wall and then there was a high voltage Electric wire that you have to somehow get over as well. So they kind of got a bit disheartened Remember this is the power station we're trying to block. Yeah, yeah, I was so long ago that I mentioned that that you might have forgotten, but that's what they're trying to do here. They're trying to fuck that shit up. So they were a bit disheartened by these setbacks. And the three Frenchman abandoned the mission and set off for Paris. Well, we will do why?
Starting point is 00:39:45 Which was, you know, not the occupied, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, it was, wasn't it? Yes, but depending on the three phrases in, yes, it must be then, this period then. Yeah. Um, so who, uh, one of the men, Sergeant J. Foreman, the most French触irable mole, John Foreman. Uh, he, for man. Sergeant J. Foreman, the most French shoveler mole. John Foreman. Mm-hmm. Hey. Foreman.
Starting point is 00:40:06 He'd been given an address to go to if need be in Paris, where our eyes would be. And at that address, he met Joel Latak, a member of the Free Franch. He had recently had to abandon a mission himself. This is, oh, Old mate, uh, Lutac. Uh, he had to, yeah, abandon mission himself recently because of outdated intel. Um, so when he heard that they had abandoned their mission for like, kind of less concrete, concrete reasons, he rallied the team and convinced them to head back and complete their mission. Guys, it's just a wall! He also went along with them to make sure
Starting point is 00:40:45 it happens. So obviously now the team is full. The new plan was to commandeer a truck to head up to Pissac where the the power plant was. But when the truck broke down they had bicycles instead. So they know how to bicycles and they rode there. Found the explosive where they'd hidden them a while back now, nearly a month ago, and found they were still in working order, still good to go. On the night of June 7th, almost a month after they had initially meant to carry out the mission, they were going to have a crack. Sergeant J. Foreman scaled the perimeter wall and was able to make it over while avoiding
Starting point is 00:41:20 contact with the electric wire. He was then able to let the rest of the team in with their explosives by opening a door. He's good stuff, good plan. I mean, it's because of the training of Colin that he was like, I know what to do here. I'm gonna open that door. I'm used to several different types of handle, wood, ivory, and one other.
Starting point is 00:41:43 But I'll never tell. That's this organization's greatest secret. Is it? The bombs were put in place in under half an hour and the four men made their getaways via the bicycles. The four men including four men. Four men including four men. Yeah. I was thinking the same thing, DW.
Starting point is 00:42:01 Oh my god. So they set the bombs, set the timers. get on their bicycles, and as they're riding away, awesome. Behind them, the sky's lit up with the explosions. It was a success. Wow. Which is just an image that I love. These guys pedaling fast. Yeah, reading in the little bell. I like to imagine there's a basket on the front of one of them when they've got a baguette in there You know for later That was when I was in France. I've been a couple times. That was the one
Starting point is 00:42:31 Like old-school bad French cliche that is true There's people walking around with baguettes everywhere. No berets. No, no, no blue and white horizontal strut T-shirts No red band-annas But baguettes ever which was the best because I fucking love them. My friends... ...beginched and like mustard and some sort of a cheese. So much cheese. We just ate a lot of like we'd get a baguette and some brie and just like we had a baguette fight underneath the
Starting point is 00:42:59 Eiffel Tower while wearing burais. You guys are a little worse. You can get the other worst kind of a strap. You can really get arrested for that. Yeah. We did not take kindly to that. No. Look at those clearly foreign people. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:12 Look at those. Taking the piss out of us. To her star cells. And our great proud culture. Yeah. Now come over here and find me with that, I guess. Six of the intended eight transformers were destroyed. And as a result, work at the enemies
Starting point is 00:43:27 you boat base, you boats are the submarines, submarines, they call them, so that their you boat base, in Bordeaux was severely hampered as was an electric train system in the south west of France which had to be replaced entirely by steam trains so was just, they wiped out the use of a whole train system. That is great. And now they just put a little bit of grease on the track. Some of the steam trains stopped. Steam trains are just so pretty, you know? Yeah, terrible for the environment.
Starting point is 00:43:57 Something quite beautiful about them, except the bad for the environment bit. Yeah, you know? You don't get that no electric train. Yeah, you know, you don't get the no electric train. Yeah, the electric train just don't sound like owls. No, no one electric train goes past and goes like, oh, I hate that. Give me a hoot, hoot any day. Give me a hoot any day. Okay, So the mission was a success. That's great. I love it. Mission code named Josephine. Josephine B. All possibly just Josephine. So from there the team were ordered to head for Spain. They asked to become and
Starting point is 00:44:37 collected by a submarine or something. That was the original plan was they were going to be come and picked up in a submarine or something and taken back away. But they missed that chance when they fled to Paris. And this time around they just said, no, you make your own way to Spain, please. Which they did, but they took their time around two months enjoying their journey, reportedly spending 250,000 francs along the way, which is around, is over 100,000 grand in two months. 100,000 francs along the way which is around is over a hundred thousand grand What? 100,000 grand in two months 100 million dollars
Starting point is 00:45:09 100,000 grand? Did I say 100,000? Yeah, sorry about that Just the grand bit out Just a hundred thousand That's still a lot of people That's a shitload of money We're at four people just
Starting point is 00:45:18 I love that idea I really like what it did And everyone back at home was just like rashing like crazy Yeah, I don't It's interesting how they get that idea. I really like it. And everyone back at home just like rashing like crazy. Yeah, I don't. That's interesting. How did they get that money? But I think I think it's probably like a mergity. It's probably like a mergity through a lot of money.
Starting point is 00:45:30 It's probably like emergency money. And they're just like, well, this is emergency. It's World War II. Yeah. If you need to put down a deposit on a home as an emergency, here is a secret fund. Sub-Lew Tenant Raymond Kabard was captured on the journey back to Spain But the other three made to Spain and eventually back to England
Starting point is 00:45:50 They spent his share of the money but kabard Escaped as well and ended up back with the S.O.E. 2 in the aftermath of the mission these so that's all fun Everything up to that point is so fun. It's a man of fun mission. So that's all fun. Everything up to that point is so fun. Uh-oh. But as it often happens, the Nazis come in and make it all a little less fun. Where's the ruin it? In the aftermath of the mission, the Nazis didn't take a well. And they didn't know how it happened. So they took it out on the locals. There were fines. 250 locals would jailed and a curfew was imposed. 9.30 pm till 5am. Lockout laws. The body like...
Starting point is 00:46:32 Sydney all over again. Sydney all over again. I think that's even harsh than Sydney's thing. And a dozen German soldiers who were on duty guarding the station at the time were shot. That is harsh than Sydney. That is a little harsh on the Sydney. Well, when news of the success of the mission reached Britain, Hugh Dalton, the one of the top dogs. Yeah, one of the top dogs is in Parliament, but he's the guy that Churchill gave the responsibility for this whole thing to.
Starting point is 00:47:05 Hugh Dalton passed the news onto the Pam Churchill writing, we may therefore take it as practically certain that three, obviously four, doesn't matter, he thinks it was three, but it was four. That three men dropped from an aeroplane have succeeded in destroying an important industrial target. This strongly suggests that many industrial targets, especially if they cover only a very small area, are more effectively attacked by special operations executive methods rather than air bombardment.
Starting point is 00:47:34 Oh, right, so this is all that is, this is good for us, this is a big win for the SOA. The triumph of the mission help prove that guerrilla operations like this could play a key role in disrupting the German war machine and lead to many many more similar initiatives. So that's that one. Here's another one. Wanna hear about another one? No. I mean, that could really be the episode, but I've got some more. Yeah. Another one that were involved in was called Operation Anthropod. Anthropoid?
Starting point is 00:48:07 Anthropod. Anthropoid. Anthropod. I'll tell Sean, but I could say it. The target of this one was Reinhard Hydrick. You familiar with him? No, but a lucky name. Reinhard.
Starting point is 00:48:22 He was the target of it. I don't think we like this person. Adolf Hitler described him as the man with the iron heart. Whoa, Hitler said that about him. Yeah. And Hitler, not the warmest guy, is he? No, he was a real bad guy. Whoa.
Starting point is 00:48:38 So that language is a little bit soft. He was a c*****. Strong word. Wow, haven't had one of those for a while. Amongst two episodes. Amongst many other roles, he was in charge of the Aynston Group, which was a special task force that followed behind the German armies, gassing and shooting everyone in their wake, including over 2 million people, that followed behind the German armies, gassing and shooting everyone in their wake,
Starting point is 00:49:08 including over two million people, 1.3 million of them being Jews. Whoa. He was like a massive, I mean, I'm not telling you anything you don't know. This high up Nazi was a fuckhead. Hydrovertial opinion then. Controvertial, sure. Hydro could be in center Prague in what was then Czechoslovakia on September the 27th
Starting point is 00:49:30 1941 and he was appointed deputy Reich protector of the protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia That's that's that area Bohemia is sort of like takes in a bunch of that sort of Bohemia sounds nice. You know? Like a beachy area. It is now. I think it probably wasn't. I think it probably wasn't.
Starting point is 00:49:51 I think it probably wasn't. It probably wasn't. It probably wasn't before. It came along too, yeah. The actual head-right protector, Constantine von Neurath, was officially still the head of the region, but it was in name only only and he was sent on leave because Hitler Himmler, and then the Hungry Himmler, yeah. And Hydraq felt that he was too soft on the checks.
Starting point is 00:50:14 Wow. Upon his appointment, Hydraq reportedly said, we will germinize the Czech vermin. He began suppressing Czech culture, like almost instantly, closing down any sort of avenues which the Czech people would express their cultural identity. Different cultural organizations, those sort of things. Podcasts, for example. Which probably would have done that. Yeah, or again. Podcasts would probably want, yeah, I wonder how that would work.
Starting point is 00:50:38 Anyway, he also began executing members of the Czech resistance. Within three days of his arrival in Prague, he had organized the execution of 92 people. According to Hydrix, own estimate, more than 4,000 people were arrested in his first four months. There, many were executed, and others were sent to concentration camps,
Starting point is 00:51:00 and he quickly earned the nickname, The Butcher of Prague. Oh, that's not a good nickname at all. And you know I love nicknames, but I don't like that one. Yeah, this guy just feels like pure evil. Yeah. So, he, I guess that's part of his way, became a target of SOE's operation, anthropoid. But he also be the inspiration for Hydro in Captain America.
Starting point is 00:51:22 Yeah, I think, I think who was a red skull is that based on someone from Masking Dave. I mean I've seen the Captain America man. Oh man. You got to see Captain America. I'm I'm sure he would have been based on Some of them maybe all of them or maybe one of them maybe him. Well him was like He was like he was a comic book evil guy, really, wasn't he? Mm. Dave, watch Captain America, please. Oh, I do for you. Really good movie.
Starting point is 00:51:53 For no one else. Anyway, the operation was the brainchild of French-check Moravache. There's some tough names in here, but you're doing really well. But he's a good guy, we're talking. Yes. So he's the a good guy. We're talking. Yes.
Starting point is 00:52:05 So he's the answer boy to God. He was the head of the Czech intelligence services. More of a brief Colin Gobern's, amen. Colin. He's Colin. Of the, so here's what we've done. At this time, apparently, he was a Brigadier. And in charge of the Czech sections of the organizations.
Starting point is 00:52:24 Brigadier. and in charge of the Czech sections of the organizations. Gubbins was keen to help on your colon. Morrowvack, handpicked a team of 24 from the 2000 available Czech soldiers based in Britain at the time, and they went on to train at an SOE training camp in Scotland. The main men were a Slovak named Joseph Gabcik and a Czech named Carol Fiboda. Obviously, I'm confident none of these names are quite right. I'm having a crack. You really have an account. Sorry for any offense caused.
Starting point is 00:53:00 The mission, if their family is listening, can you at least get his fucking name? The mission was set to go down on the 28th of October 1941. This was check checks fuck years Independence day I think and But it was delayed when Sforboda suffered a hand-in-jury while training Which meant he had to be replaced and A replacement was found and a man named Jean Coupice, or Jan, or Jan, or Jan. Cappucc and Coupice, along with the team of soldiers, flew out from Britain to Czechoslovakia.
Starting point is 00:53:35 They had to wait a little bit. It was delayed because he had to finish training this discuss, stepping in. He had to get trained up, and also that to get his forged documents ready and stuff like that. Oh, all the paperwork. All the paperwork. And he had to give two weeks notice that he's last place, so that way from to be able to start. That's right. And then the week that they started training, there's a public holiday, so then they're kind of pushing back a day.
Starting point is 00:53:57 So yeah, but I mean it takes a while, you know what it's like. You know, Admin, hey, what a red tape. So they flew out to Czechoslovakia. Once they had landed, they headed to Pilsn, which is where Pilsn is from, and they contacted some embedded allies before heading to Prague, where the assassination plot was meant to occur.
Starting point is 00:54:17 Oh, I don't like the word meant to in that sentence. Words. After abandoning a couple of planned attempts, they settled in on a plan to kill Hydric while he was driving from his check home to Prog Castle, which I think was his place of business. Of course he's got an evil lair. Yeah you're right. Should see a photo of him. He's... Prog Castle, Prog Castle. What does that mean? There's a clue in that. I think Prague Castle was already there before you.
Starting point is 00:54:46 No. Prague Castle. Pretzel. So that was his daily commute. You know, driving to the castle every day. The pretzel. Gubbchik and Kubis chose a spot along the route where they knew he would have to slow down or it was on a bend in the road.
Starting point is 00:54:58 So they're like, this is where we're going to take him out. On the 27th of May 1942 at 10.30am, Hydrick and his driver left for the castle in his Mercedes convertible. They allegedly started the day. He's got a convertible. Yeah. Starting work at 10.30, leaving the house at 10.30. So probably, by the time you get to work, get your car to the car. Yeah, settle in. Yeah, check your emails. He's not starting proper work till at least quarter past 11 at the absolute earliest. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:28 What a leisurely day. I bet he knocks off early 2 a. It's close. 3 o'clock, he's out the door. So the car reached the curve a few minutes later and Gump check jumped out in front of the car with his stand submachine gun. He attempted to open fire but the gun jammed. No! Did they be planning this for months?
Starting point is 00:55:49 What the plan is, jump in front of the car and start shooting. What's the training? Well, I'm in the parachuting. The training should be how to get the gun to work. Yeah, that hasn't worked. That'd be a key bit of the training. But maybe this next part was part of the training. They stopped the car so that Hydra could shoot Gabchak with his pistol. So, yeah, so the driver climbed, stopped the car.
Starting point is 00:56:13 So they're like, oh, this idiot. He just stood up with a pistol and shot him. That was the plan, but before he could, Cuba's pulled out a grenade from his bag and threw it at the merc. It went bang. Oh my God. Good throw. It was a pretty good throw. It sent trappin' all into your hydric but also into cubus. From there, there was a shootout before cubus fled on bike. Hydrics driver chased Gumpchick
Starting point is 00:56:41 on foot till he cornered him in a butcher shop. Their Gumpchick turned around, shot him twice and escaped. So he got away. Oh wow. Gumpchick. Gumpchick and Cubus were shattered later. They did both get away. They were shut later that the attack had failed. Only it hadn't.
Starting point is 00:56:58 Hydric was taken to hospital where it was found that he had suffered major diaphragm, sp spleen and lung damage and a fractured rib Hit the called him the man with the iron heart, but he could now be more accurately called the man with trippinal in his spleen He died from his injuries a week later. So fucking suck it your fuck head. Can I have a tour nice a guy? A slow death. It's bad isn't it the way? I suppose you're so evil you can feel good about his death.
Starting point is 00:57:37 As was the Nazi demo they reacted badly and they received dodgy intel that the assassins were from local villages Liddice and was lucky. I'm so sorry, check people. The Nazis destroyed both villages killing 5,000 people and sending most of the rest to brutal Nazi concentration camps. Fuck! Wow! That's awful! Yeah. Yeah, so it's sort of like yeah, there's no happy endings in in in this but It will go to at least that got it got got got trapped Trapped is that what they say? Yep, there are many more missions that I could talk about. The topic is obviously too big, but these are just two small missions inside.
Starting point is 00:58:28 Well, I mean, these are two sort of prominent ones, but there are so many. Should I talk about one more or what do you think? Yeah, it'll be quickish. Yeah, okay. I reckon one more. All right, I'll talk about one more and I'm not, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm not going to use my words. There's a guy called Giles Milton who wrote a book about the S.O.E. entitled
Starting point is 00:58:46 The Ministry of Ungentlemintly Warfare. Oh! You know, which is a sinter. Jiles. Totally about the topic. Jiles did, yeah. Fuck yeah, great name. I bet he went to Oxbridge.
Starting point is 00:58:58 Yeah, I bet he did too. And I think I reckon because of this book, I don't know this for sure, but I think he maybe kind of popularized that term a bit more. And maybe the whole thing, I'm guessing that's why people are suggesting this topic with that name is maybe because of this. I'm not sure. But anyway, I'm just going to read a little excerpt from a little
Starting point is 00:59:17 massage about one of the, one of the, one of the ministries, one of the chaps most important missions. This is in the words of Jiles Milton. Thank you. Take it away Jiles. It was a few minutes before midnight and the moon was glancing brightly off the deep snow. In the shadows of the ravine, ten saboteurs could be seen clambering up the sides of a near vertical cliff, clutching at rocky outcrops and dangling spruce branches.
Starting point is 00:59:44 Here I'd say a lot of flowing prose. That's beautiful. It's painting a picture. A couple of rhymes in there. Yeah. It shakes peer. In the distance, was that... She's like Belly.
Starting point is 00:59:54 Every time. Never speak over Jiles. Is this actually... One rule of Jiles. You're right. Sorry. Continue, please Jiles. I am Jiles.
Starting point is 01:00:03 So. In the distance was their goal the looming silhouette of the Norwegian Hydro-Norsk Heavy water plant. This state of the art factory was a vital importance to the Nazi war machine. The only place capable of producing the heavy water necessary for Hitler to build an atomic bomb. Its destruction was so crucial... bomb. Its destruction was so crucial to the Allied War of... I was going to say a fought. Its destruction was so crucial to the Allied War effort that Winston Churchill himself had ordered it to be given the highest possible priority. The stakes could
Starting point is 01:00:43 not have been higher. If Hitler scientists managed to build an atomic bomb, they would win the war. But if the factory could be destroyed, then Hitler's atomic ambitions would be at an end. For the mission, gobbins, a man, Colin, selected his Norwegian saboteurs, from men who had fled to England following the Nazi invasion of their country. Their leader was a bold 23 year old named Roltschim Ronenberg.
Starting point is 01:01:11 He and his comrades were trained by two key members of Goobins in a circle, Gabbins. Eric Bill Sikes and William Shanghai Buster Fairbann. Oh my god, yes. He's got two nicknames there, Shanghai Buster. Shanghai Buster, that's his one, nickname is the Shanghai Buster. Fuck, that's good. Who ran a secret killing school. Oh, okay. Oh, wow.
Starting point is 01:01:32 At Aresig House in the Scottish Islands, that was one of the training camps for the school. Wow. Yeah, secret killing school. But yeah, it's pretty, it's not mean it's funny because all of this is like from one side, you're like, it's obviously written as if if some of these people on the allied team were obviously Probably a bit fucked as well. Ronanberg's team was parachuted into the Hardinger Platao
Starting point is 01:01:55 Landing in the teeth of an Arctic blizzard within striking distance of Norsk hydro They're sabotage mission got underway 10 days later under the cover of Darkness. I really like this giant character you're putting on. The saboters clambered down into the vertiginous gorge below Norse Hydro and then began their treacherous ascent. Unseen by the guards, they reached the plant's perimeter fence and after using bolt cutters to gain access, they split into two pre-arranged groups. One led by Ronanberg was to break into the plant and blow up the equipment. The other was to provide cover against the Gestapo attack. Ronanberg crept through the ventilation duct and attached the explosives.
Starting point is 01:02:41 The charges that had been made at Brickentomy Manor fitted like a glove you later said. I could own him. The sabbatures were still inside the plant. The Sten Guns trained on the German-Centry Posts when the explosives detonated. The sausage-shaped charges were fabulously destructive. Inflating into the machinery and causing catastrophic damage. By the time the alarm was raised, the entire stock of Hitler's heavy water had drained away. There was shards of wiener everywhere. The Norse-Kadra mission was textbook guerrilla warfare, brilliantly planned and masterfully
Starting point is 01:03:15 executed. Even the Germans were impressed. The commander of the German troops in Norway, General von Falkenhorst, expressed his admiration for the saboteurs bravado calling it the most splendid coup of the war what? Hitler's atomic program had suffered a setback from which it would never recover. Jeez. I imagine Hitler wouldn't have loved that kind of feedback Especially when you use the English word splendid. Yeah, well, I thought that coup was rather splendid Hitler. Oh dear I should have said that to your face. Anyway that's the end of the report. I could have kept going and going. So many fascinating little stories in there, across all of Europe and even in around Japan. I'm always a bit wary of romanticizing war too much. I don't know if I've done that in this No. I think it's been some pretty real moments.
Starting point is 01:04:06 Yeah, but where are the fun facts? They were all fun facts. You hear about all the explosions? The guy died. The eagle guy died. The gun that's fun. That is fun. Secret lighter gun.
Starting point is 01:04:18 That's Secret lighter gun was fun. The underwater canoe. I don't know. Hopefully, um, hopefully Rowan's happy with those ones. We just want Rowan to be happy. Yeah, that's all I want Look, I also want everyone to be happy. No, I just want Rowan to be happy. Fuck everyone else And I'm happy and that's all I care about Well, you're involved in Moan too Great by extension Matt and I went you're part of everyone
Starting point is 01:04:47 In a way to me, I am everyone, so. Thanks guys for listening. Sorry if that was too brutal for your day, I know you don't like some of that war history. Yeah, I have never done a World War II topic on this show, apart from the three monies. We have done a few war ones there. We also have Mad Jack. We've done a few episodes. We have done a few episodes. This is a nice something. Yeah. Because we're coming up to the 100th episode.
Starting point is 01:05:12 Yes, we are live September 16th. Get your tickets now. So excited. Hey, we should, before we wrap up, we should probably thank a few of our Patreons. I think we definitely should. You should tell people how to do that, too, Dave, if they want to do. Well, if you want to support the show, say you've listened
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Starting point is 01:06:08 Updates and stuff on the weekend also presales to live shows and stuff that we do but and also a shout out on the episode to say thank you To the individual people that keep the show running and I would like to thank if I could kick off. Please do all the way From Lawrence Phil Georgia America right. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah so not Georgia, the country. I'm assuming not. Not Georgia, next door to Russia. Never know. Could be.
Starting point is 01:06:32 Anyway, who's from Georgia? I would like to thank. He's the shield of this show. Anthony, our shield. Our shield, the shield. Is that a protector? Thank you. Anthony, holding up the fort in Lawrenceville, Georgia,
Starting point is 01:06:46 I appreciate your support. Anthony, I would like to say, you're doing a lot of accidental rhymes. To stay, if I may, in the state. I'd like to thank, well, this person, I hope they're listening on Ormond Beach, because that's where they're from. Almond beach. Was that a rhyme again? No, you're just the worst.
Starting point is 01:07:13 Just really hates people. I don't see hate people. She hates people. I hate it. I don't hate it. You're so negative. I love thanking people because I really, I think it's really amazing, but you are just so funny. You can make a joke out of every single person's name
Starting point is 01:07:28 that I get to it. I'm like, thank you Frank. You know what? What Dave's joke just then, the one that really pushed you over the edge was, I hope you're listening. I hope you're listening at the place you're from. Okay, I'm sorry.
Starting point is 01:07:42 All men, all men to beach in Florida, I would like to thank, I'd like. Oh man, Oh man beach in Florida. I would like to thank Like to thank Noah vowel. Oh man. They would have been a few Oh man beach Florida listeners sitting on the air Here we go. It's amazing. It may but no, it's Noah I'm afraid unless you are Noah vault. It's not your turn Please keep waiting on that beach for us and thank you to Noah vault Good job Noah. Can I go next? Yes? Great Jess will be like thank you to Noah Vol. Good job Noah. Can I go next? Yes. Great, Jess will be like,
Starting point is 01:08:05 thank you to Blah Blah, good night. Mm-hmm. She's gone, she's left. There she goes. She's gone, but a being but a boom. Went from a professional kid. No, it's not that I like thinking people. I just find it kind of stressful to make a joke
Starting point is 01:08:19 or a pan with every single person. I would just like to genuinely thank people. I'll just read out what the beach he was from. Okay, but it's a bad example every single person, I would just like to genuinely thank people. I'll let you just read out what the beach he was from. Okay, but that's a bad example because you norm- Ah, fuck, I don't know. Anyway, keeping it within the States, interestingly, and within the Anthony's, because you had an Anthony. I did Anthony our shield, the shield.
Starting point is 01:08:38 I also have an Anthony. The Blue Wiggle. Anthony, the Blue Wiggle, my favorite of the Wiggles. But this Anthony is from Utah. Give me two. Are you da? Me, ball. Give me two.
Starting point is 01:08:50 Great. What a great move. Oh, it's amazing. What is that? It's a point break. Oh. It's the original. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:08:58 Maybe they said it in the, you want to say. Another great cameo was by the red archie Lee Peppas singer. And that, what's it like? Anthony Key this, also an Anthony. Anthony. Anthony. He goes, but that would be a waste of time That's a good flavor movie quotes. That's a good quote that would be a waste of time Well from that Anthony to this Anthony. I hope Anthony Furnelius. That's the best Anthony name of all. That's a pretty good name
Starting point is 01:09:22 I hope he's enjoyed point break and also do go on and Supporting it hey for Nelius give me two make it Me ball me ball and also I would also like to think from Texas Not on Anthony, okay, but a Naomi Chapman oh good name great name. Thank you. I mean she'd be a big fan of the the Chapman. Oh, good name. Great name, she's a big fan of the Chaps. Oh, yeah. She's a big Chapman. She's one of the original Chaps.
Starting point is 01:09:52 Yeah, I bet she was related to one of the Chaps. Maybe Gubbins. I guarantee she is. Gubbins changes the name to Chapman soon after the war. Gimima. Chapman for life. So thank you Naomi and Anthony for listening and supporting the podcast. Hey, I'd love to bring us back to the home of Fron and thank someone from our
Starting point is 01:10:10 Capital Territory, the Australian Capital Territory. Can Berra! Well that's inside the... I see, yeah I don't know. I have time to explain everything about that, but I'd love to thank Laura Kotterall. Laura! Cotterall, my dad picks the fruit. The ghost who Cotterall? I went to Cotterall. Yeah, I thought I was asking you as well.
Starting point is 01:10:35 That makes a lot more sense. Doesn't make a lot more sense. Then Cotty's? Yeah, well I don't think Laura's giving me any sort of sick feeling. Okay, maybe if that sick feeling is the sick feeling of being supported by a friend The sick feeling of drinking way too much cordial Yeah, should have done later So I should have got something in straight. Thank you Laura.
Starting point is 01:10:55 I'm gonna make you feel alive. Thank you so much Laura. Tell you Laura. You legend. I'd also love to thank from Sun Di, a whale's vagina, in California, Aaron Stosel. Aaron. Aaron Stosel. San Diego. San Diego.
Starting point is 01:11:14 Which I've heard is an amazing place. My brother went there and said he just had the best time. He said it was fucking sick. Is that your impression of brother? He needed coderal afterwards. Oh. No, that was just my impression of, no, my brother would have said,
Starting point is 01:11:29 I like, Tom. Tom, he would have been more like, yeah, no, it was really great. Yeah, I had a really good time. But you knew what he meant. I knew what he meant. What he meant was, fuck, it was fucking ecstatic.
Starting point is 01:11:41 Bro. Thanks Aaron. Aaron Stosel. I really like him. I hope you're in San Arana. Yeah, Thanks Tom. He doesn't listen. My sister Alex does. Hey Alex. Hi Alex. I know Alex. We all know Alex. I'd like to say hi to Tom for when he finally gets around to listening. He'll get there eventually. So that's great. I mean I just I I'm super blown away all the time. I've write newsletter sporadically to the patrons and I think I probably go on about it too much
Starting point is 01:12:07 But I'm so fucking blown away by the support. Yeah, are these mad dogs you guys are the best I think I love you Hey cool cool cool. All right Aaron. I just think I just thought maybe you know We could see but maybe one day we could be mates. There we go, space. I'm gonna come to Sunday, I'll go. No, no, no, no, no, you're on too weird. Now you can't have him on his doorstep. Okay.
Starting point is 01:12:32 If you're ever in a hurry. Can I go to the Australian Capital Territory and visit Laura Cotterall? No, you can't go to a house. It's just a lot of house, maybe I just the word, her territory. And then I'm gonna be missing it, so now it's my territory like a dog Yeah, like a mad dog All right, I want to wrap this up guys good call good cool. Thank you so much for listening guys You want to get in contact or by a ticket to our 100th show the
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