Do Go On - Do Go On Presents: Arty Facts - Young and Jackson's 'Chloe'

Episode Date: August 15, 2022

Based on a poem, this critically acclaimed and award winning painting has caused controversy and uproar, has gotten soldiers out of strife and is intrinsically linked here, to the iconic Young and Jac...kson Hotel. This is the story of Jules Joseph Lefebvre’s Chloe.'Do Go On Presents: Arty Facts' is a joint production from Stupid Old Studios and the Do Go On podcast.Do Go On are Dave Warneke, Jess Perkins and Matt Stewart.Stupid Old Studios is an independent production house based in Melbourne Australia who specialise in making fine, handcrafted nonsense.Twitter: http://twitter.com/stupidoldInstagram: http://instagram.com/stupidoldFacebook: http://facebook.com/stupidoldstudiosThis production was made possible with support from the Community Broadcasting Foundation. Find out more at http://cbf.org.auREFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:https://www.youngandjacksons.com.au/chloehttps://www.onlymelbourne.com.au/chloe-jules-joseph-lefebvrehttps://index-journal.org/issues/identity/evanescence-of-an-artist-s-model-by-katrina-kellhttps://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/art-and-design/chloes-encounter-scratches-surface-20040928-gdypav.htmlhttps://www.onlymelbourne.com.au/young-jackson-s-princes-bridge-hotelhttps://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/224814361https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/38559150 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Melbourne and Canada, we got exciting news for you. And we should also say this is 2026. Jess, what year is it? 2026. Thank God you're here. Right now, I'm in Melbourne doing my show with Serenjai Amarna, 630 each night at the Cooper's Inn Hotel, having so much fun. We'd love to see you there.
Starting point is 00:00:17 Canada, we are visiting you in September this year. If you've somehow missed the news, we are heading up Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal and Toronto for shows. That's going to be so much fun. Tickets for all this stuff, I believe, are online. And I'm here too. You're listening to Artifacts, a show that dives into the fascinating history of famous artworks and painters. Broadcast on C-31, Stupid Old Studios YouTube channel and the Community Radio Network.
Starting point is 00:00:47 Based on a poem, this critically acclaimed painting has caused controversy and uproar. It's also got a few soldiers out of strife and is intrinsically linked here to the iconic Young and Jackson's Hotel. This is the story of Chloe. Welcome to Artifacts. I'm Matt Stewart and I'm here with my very very very very. very good friends, David Warnocky and Jess Perkins? Yes, hello. Hey, so good to be here with you at Young and Jackson Hotel. Thank you so much for having us.
Starting point is 00:01:16 Hey, we're in Chloe's bar and this is Chloe. No coincidence, the bar is named after. What are the chances of that? Yeah, no, it was pretty good because yeah, they named the bar after. That's how important this painting is. Have you been here before? Embarrassingly, no. And Young and Jackson's is like an iconic venue in Melbourne.
Starting point is 00:01:35 Walk past it. Every single time I come into the city, city were of course opposite Flinders Street station, Fed squares on the other corner. Like we're in a, yeah. It's a KFC down there. There's a KFC. Forget on the cathedral. The cathedral, my favorite cathedral.
Starting point is 00:01:48 But I actually never, I've never been up here. So this is a thrill. So do you want me to tell you the story of Chloe? Yeah. All right. Let us begin. So Chloe was painted by Jules Joseph Lefevre. Pretty good. I've written that out fanatically.
Starting point is 00:02:05 How many times are you going to say it? A few times. Okay. So Lefevre painted Chloe in 1875. It was a Frenchman and one of the go-toe guys for painting nude portraits in the second half of the 19th century. Right. One of the go-toes. Did he refuse to use clothes?
Starting point is 00:02:21 Yeah, he wouldn't allow clothes. Even just like a sheet. Yeah. Well, you can see the sheet there. Yeah, but the sheet has to be off to the side. Yeah, that's right. If you wanted it, you're like, oh, I feel, you know, I feel cute. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:36 you give Jules Joseph a call. But if you're feeling a bit shy, he's not your guy. He's not your guy. No, certainly not. That was all these business cards. Of the model, not much is known. There's been a lot of theories. One of the most popular seems to be that she was about 19 years old.
Starting point is 00:02:52 She was a Parisian named Marie. And she sadly took her own life at the age of 21 due to unrequited love. So only a couple of years after this, she passed away. So it's really tinned with sadness a bit as well. sadness a bit as well. Can't help it notice that you said her name's Marie. Yes. Okay. Yeah. That's Chloe coming to it. Yeah, that's not the name of the painting.
Starting point is 00:03:15 Oh yeah. I guess it's out is sort of what we're thinking. We're not Marie's bar. I think maybe they'd already got the frame done. Yeah. Which says Chloe and they're like, well, you're Chloe now. No, I'll explain the name in a second. Chloe made its debut or debut at the Paris Salon, a showcase exhibition for for the leading French academic masters.
Starting point is 00:03:37 Oh. Beginning in 1667, the salon was the first annual or biennial art event of its kind in the Western world. By the time Chloe was shown there, it was seen by many as the most important art event in the Western world. It sounds important. Well, that's because it is. Yeah. It's a big deal. The salon.
Starting point is 00:03:57 Yeah. I thought you were going to tell me that it debuted in like an hair salon. It's really upgraded here to the pub. Yeah. I don't buy you so long. Oh, that's good. Possibly offensive. So I'm here with venue manager at Young and Jackson's Megan
Starting point is 00:04:13 to talk a little bit more about Chloe. Thanks so much for joining us, Megan. No, from a middle. Now, Jules Joseph Lefevre. Is that right? Possibly Lefebvre. Okay, great to disagree, but all I know about him really is this painting.
Starting point is 00:04:28 Is he sort of well-remembered outside of Australia? I think in France well remembered, he was definitely considered a master. He would have been a pretty regular painter that put paintings towards the French salon, where Chloe was first shown. And I think he had fair success in that sort of era and in that environment. Yeah. Lefevre's painting was a big hit at the salon. Big, big hit. It won the gold medal of honour, the highest official award.
Starting point is 00:04:59 Gold medal for painting. Yeah. Oh, that's good. Yeah, yeah. So they loved it. Critics loved it. The Parisians went wild for it. They're like, look at this.
Starting point is 00:05:10 What a painting. Look at her go. It's so big. So they were also just mostly excited by the size. Yeah. The bigger. No one had ever painted one this big. So yeah, the gold medal of honour is the highest official award to be bestowed on a French artist.
Starting point is 00:05:27 Oh, wow. So Lefevre was like, he'd already had a pretty good career, but this was just another peak. Yeah, right. So Chloe depicts the water nymph from a poem by 18th century poet Andre Schenier. So the poem's about this Chloe, this water nymph Chloe.
Starting point is 00:05:45 So that's not, I mean, Marie Pose, but it's actually of a character from a poem. Right, okay. So LaFevera quoted the poem in the exhibitions catalogue. It was in French. And you're going to tell it to us now in French. Perfect. Wait. I'm going to read the English translation.
Starting point is 00:06:03 Okay, coward. But in a French accent? Are we? Actually, maybe don't. Sometimes when you read long passages in an accent, it's like, uh-huh, and now just do it in your novel most because I caught every third word. Yeah, I'm not that audible in the first place. Annunciation.
Starting point is 00:06:22 This is the three lines from the poem. He often visits your peaceful shores. Often I listen and the air which trembles in the woods. from afar brings his voice to my ears. It doesn't really rhyme. Maybe in French it does. Yeah. I mean, it'd be pretty lucky if it rhymed in both French and English.
Starting point is 00:06:41 Yeah, that would be a coincidence. Poetry has to rhyme. It has to. It has to. It's important. It's not a poem otherwise. Well, we're doing an art show. I think it's important to get the facts out there.
Starting point is 00:06:50 It's not rhyming. It's just a little story, isn't it? And that's fine. You can write your little stories, but don't you call them pop? That's a worst limerick I've ever heard. Yeah. It once was a woman from Nantucket. And she had a great time that day.
Starting point is 00:07:08 So how did Chloe end up here? Oh, I'll tell you. Yeah, I was thinking you would elaborate. So the painting began its journey to Australia in Sydney, where it was exhibited. It began the journey in Sydney. That is convenient. Wow, you really skipped.
Starting point is 00:07:23 You've made the big chunk of the journey already. It's a, look, it's trip in Australia began in Sydney. Okay, right. And then it did a tour. It did a tour. A little tour, yeah. Started in 1879 at the French Gallery at the Sydney International Exhibition. You know, when it was displayed there, it won a gold medal.
Starting point is 00:07:45 Oh. What is cream in the field? That's right. It's like bloody Madam Butterfly over here, eh? Wow. This is like Ian Thorpe of the art world. Well, it must be said there's some fantastic footwork. Yes.
Starting point is 00:07:59 On the painting. It's also a sporting term Is it? Lefevre painted this with his feet. Not a lot of people know that. The following year, Chloe headed south for the Melbourne International Exhibition of 1880.
Starting point is 00:08:14 Guess what? What? Gold medals. Yes. Wacking them up. Where do you even put, because you know, like gold medals at the Olympics that go around your neck.
Starting point is 00:08:22 Where do you put them on a painting? I would have liked to have seen them painted on. Yeah. She'd be weighed down. Even just paint them on like the glass over the top of it. Like a bottle of wine. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:33 Just the stickers. Yeah. For a little stick on it. Yeah, like country bakery of the year or something. How do I know it's good if it doesn't have a sticker on it? That's true. So yeah, it's been a big hit around the world now. France and Australia.
Starting point is 00:08:46 Yeah. The big two art destinations of the A-R-A-R-A-R-A. That's what you want. Those are the markets you want as an artist. Three gold medals, though. Yeah. Yeah, that's huge. Once in Melbourne was exhibited, people are loving it,
Starting point is 00:08:57 and it caught the eye of one Dr. Thomas Fitzgerald and he purchased the painting for 850 guineas. Guineas. Yeah, which sounds like a made up thing but that was an amount of money back then. Yeah, right. I believe and it was hard to figure out but I think it's around 160 grand in today's money. Woo! With inflation and whatnot.
Starting point is 00:09:19 Yeah, it is hard to... But also possibly a totally different amount. You got the whiteboard out. Yeah. Honestly. Let's say 160 grand. That sounds impressive. Pie was involved.
Starting point is 00:09:29 carry the pie oh I was sweating so anyway in 1883 Fitzgerald was heading back to Ireland for three years so he contacted the National Gallery of Victoria offering Chloe to them to display while he was away a generous office just while he's away
Starting point is 00:09:45 while he's away when I come back I want it back I want a back okay we've all thought about that when you're going away for a bit just contacting the gallery yeah did you want this I mean it'll cost me money to put in storage maybe you can throw up I've got a magnet on the fridge I bought off Etsy Do you want that? Yeah, just for it, just while I'm away.
Starting point is 00:10:01 I'm away for two weeks, you can have it. So they accepted, they're like, fantastic. But despite being critically acclaimed, Chloe proved controversial to Melbourneians. Melbourneians couldn't handle it, but outside, you know, the art community loved it. Right. Shown in the exhibition, they're like, fantastic gold medal.
Starting point is 00:10:19 But your average Joe Australian and Melbourneian, more specifically, was like, what the hell is going on over here? Because she's nude? This lady is nude. Yeah, we are a city of prudes, aren't we? Very prudish. Put it away is our catchphrase. I've been looking down here a lot.
Starting point is 00:10:36 It's on our number plates. It says, put a jumper on. The prude state. According to only Melbourne, Melbourne Society found Chloe's presence in the gallery quite scandalous. The Argus newspaper, which is a big newspaper here for a long time, the Argus was so inundated with letters of. of both complaint and passion,
Starting point is 00:10:59 that they dedicated a column solely to the issue of Chloe in the gallery. The letters of passion, feels a bit pervy, doesn't it? I love her. I love Chloe, Sue's my girlfriend. Oh, Chloe, Chloe, could you come live in my house? You know, it was like, okay. Yeah, she can live in my front room. But the complaints were.
Starting point is 00:11:20 There's a little foreshadowing there. There is a bit of that later on. Right. So it really feels like Melbourne was divided into two camps, prudes and perves. Pick a side. Big a side. Which side would you be?
Starting point is 00:11:32 You go first. Team Prude. Food for life. So you wouldn't be happy with this being? I have not looked at once back there. That's horrific. That frame is fantastic. A beautiful frame.
Starting point is 00:11:44 Beautiful writing down here. Good little nobly knees. I'm totally fine with feet. Okay. But I'm not a purve for feet. Prude for feet. But how about you? You've been looking a lot back then.
Starting point is 00:11:54 Yeah. I don't know if this is a lot. a safe place to answer honestly. I reckon I'd be team perth. Yeah, I'd like get your kid off if you want. Doesn't mean I have to. Okay. But you want to get your kid off. Go for it. No, don't. No, come on. Even in the shower? No, no, especially not in the shower. Especially not. It's one of most vulnerable. Okay. Okay. There's a lot to unpack there, but we really don't have all the time. Yeah, we'll talk about that later maybe. Yeah. I'd say I'm somewhere in between the two. Yeah, that sounds. So you make us to do. So you make us to
Starting point is 00:12:27 choose and then you get to be on the fence. So the reason for the controversy was not only that it was a nude painting, but that it was being displayed on Sundays. The Sabbath. Oh my God, unbelievable. Well, her hair was probably what caused the most controversy when she was at the National Gallery in the 1880s. Her hair is in an up style, which would have been how a modern young lady would have presented herself. So the question that was up, by your prudes, was why would a modern young woman show herself naked in public?
Starting point is 00:13:06 So another newspaper at the time wrote, quote, The picture, which was on view at the recent exhibition where it attracted the admiration of all good judges, was purchased by a patron of the fine arts, our friend, Dr Fitzgerald, and lent by him to the trustees. On the picture being hung,
Starting point is 00:13:23 the Puritanical raised a howl of indignation, and poor Chloe was subjected to an amount of abuse that could only come from narrow-minded bigots. Oh, wow. This newspaper was in the Purve camp. Yeah, very balanced impartial reporting there. The article went on to say, one result of Chloe's appearance on the wall
Starting point is 00:13:42 was, of course, an increased attendance, and thousands who had never heard of the picture before visited the gallery while it was on view. Oh, no, all the Prudes have accidentally signed posted it for all the perves. Yeah, that's right. I'm heard about this. A nude painting. Sunday, I don't work on Sundays.
Starting point is 00:14:01 I've got heaps of time. I'll go and check out this new. After church. And I think that was like, I think that happens a lot. You bring controversy to something. And that just brings attention to the thing that you were trying to, this mother. Within weeks, the campaign against the painting was successful, though.
Starting point is 00:14:18 To stop all the hassle, Fitzgerald requested the painting back and the NGV took it off to sway. Not long after, the painting spent time, on display in Adelaide where it proved less controversial. Yeah, they're full of perves over there. When Fitzgerald returned from his trip, he took the painting back, hung it in his front room. But even this caused controversy,
Starting point is 00:14:39 as passes by, I could see it through the window. Oh my God, stop looking through windows in perves. They're pretending to be prudes, but they're actually perves. Yeah, people have obviously gone, oh, it's moved to this place, has it? Well, let's make sure no one can see it. Oh, there it is. There it is.
Starting point is 00:14:55 Yeah. Wow, but I'm going to complain about this. I'm offended. I'm not going to look away. The binoculars on you. So he got more complaints, ended up having to move it to his back room. You don't want to put it in the back room.
Starting point is 00:15:09 Nobody goes there. And it remained there for the final decades of his life. So I was there for another 20-odd years. Oh, wow. Obviously, we can't talk about Chloe without talking about this pub here, the Young & Jackson. So the two are really, you know, linked together. It's probably the most famous thing about the pub.
Starting point is 00:15:26 in a lot of ways. What about the Palmer? Yeah, Chloe and the Palmer. Name a more iconic duo. Always. Chloe and the Palmer? Chloe in the Palmer. Collie the Palmer's.
Starting point is 00:15:37 Well, Parmeese for people who like to say it wrong. So, yeah, we're here now, as we were saying, right in the heart of Melbourne. It's sort of the main intersection where the Melbourne CBD begins. It goes out in this direction. Yeah. And I've had a few meals here because it's, you know, sit in front of the, Great painting out that window, great view of the city. Isn't that it's wild that, you know, there's not many places you can sit in front of a multi-million dollar or multi-hundred guinea painting.
Starting point is 00:16:08 That's right. And just have a parma and a pot. Yeah. The frame was recently weighed the painting in the frame and the glass and she came in at about 180 kilos. Oh, yeah. hefty. So it's probably not true. Some of those stories you hear about people who've lifted it off the,
Starting point is 00:16:26 wall? No, a lady once told me that her grandfather came in with a step-ladder, took Chloe off the wall and carried her out the front and that was their family history. And I didn't really have the heart to tell her that probably wasn't true. He could have been a beast, said a granddad. He could have been. In 1875, the same year that LaFevera painted Chloe, two Irishmen named Henry Figsby Young and Thomas Joshua Jackson became the licensees of the Prince, the Prince's Bridge Hotel. Remember Henry's middle name? Figsby.
Starting point is 00:17:00 Yeah, it's fantastic. Bring it back. Yeah, it's a great name. Figsby. I love it. Oh, big fan that. That is great. And then the other guy went out to be Dawson's best friend.
Starting point is 00:17:10 Pacey, yeah. Drop the Thomas. What a career. Yeah, that's true. Still going. You would have noticed their surnames there. Young and Jackson. When I got that bit reading about the pub, I'm like,
Starting point is 00:17:20 that's them. It wasn't just brilliant marking. They're real people. people. It wasn't just names that go quite well together. Oh, Y and J. Oof. That's good. Young and Jackson's partnership only lasted for 15 years. I say only. That's a pretty good partnership.
Starting point is 00:17:36 I think they were cousins. So, you know, working with family 15 years. Good stint. And Jackson, which makes sense was the older one. Young was the younger one. So I think Jackson, I think pretty much just retired. Yeah, that's why the partnership ended. But Henry Figsby Young, continued on as publican until I believe 1922.
Starting point is 00:17:57 Wow. So he was here for a bit. Old Figsby was a bit of an art collector. And after Dr Thomas Fitzgerald died in 1908, he was able to buy Chloe at his estate auction and put it straight into the pub in 1909. And it became a big hit. People loved it.
Starting point is 00:18:15 I mean, the pub must have been doing pretty well if he could afford a pretty expensive and famous painting. Yeah, I think he was a really good businessman as well. I think he had something to do with the starting of the Abbotsford Brewery and he was involved in the early days at Carlton United and stuff. So I think he was, he knew what he was doing, had a bit of cash and yeah, it became a bit of a draw for crowd. So once Chloe got here, yeah, people came to have a beer with Chloe. Apparently soldiers in particular took a liking to the artwork and enjoying a drink with Chloe at the hotel has become a good luck ritual for Australian
Starting point is 00:18:52 soldiers since the First World War. According to Australian academic Katrina Kell, the ritual of having a drink with Chloe at the Young and Jackson Hotel began after private AP Hill, who was killed in action, put a message in a bottle and tossed it overboard. When the bottle was found in New Zealand in January of 1918, his message read, To the founder of this bottle, take it to Young and Jackson's, fill it and keep it till we return from the war. And so that led to people, like obviously someone came here, filled it up. With what? That's a good point. Yeah, what they put, could be anything.
Starting point is 00:19:28 Probably. Maybe a Vamuth? Probably. Maybe a G&T. Yeah, fill it with the G&T. Give it a shake so it goes all flat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe an espresso martini. Yeah, yeah, yeah, a little pick-me-up.
Starting point is 00:19:40 Or maybe a lager. Probably. According to only Melbourne, during the World Wars, Diggers came to drink with Chloe before being shipped out. Letters were written to her from the trenches of Turkey, France, and Papua New Guinea, swearing their true love and promising to return. So when you said it before, as the soldiers did, they... I guess, you know, they used to...
Starting point is 00:20:03 Soldiers, I think, used to... It was pretty common to meet someone and get married straight away. Yeah, right. I guess those who didn't had Chloe. They had Chloe. During World War II, a crewman aboard a German luxury liner was accused in the US of being a spy. As an alibi, he recalled that at the time of the offence,
Starting point is 00:20:20 he was in Melbourne. He was like, no, I couldn't, it could have been, me. I was in Melbourne. Seeing my girlfriend. Yeah. And they're like, oh yeah, prove it. And he goes, well, I was at a pub across the road from a railway. There was this painting of a woman named Chloe and they're like, okay, the story checks out.
Starting point is 00:20:40 It got him out of trouble. Wow. Around the same time, a group of American GIs made plans to steal the painting, but they're unsuccessful. Isn't it made looking at you like, how? How do you reckon? It used to be in the bar downstairs, so I was a little closer to the exit, but still, how do you hoodwink the bar keep for long enough to... Yeah. Get out there and throw it on a tram.
Starting point is 00:21:04 Yeah. Take it out. Apparently one American soldier threw a glass of beer at it saying, here's something for you to remember me by. What a dog act. That's just, that's silly. She's a painting for starters. She can't remember. She doesn't remember. She doesn't know anything.
Starting point is 00:21:23 I mean, but in fairness to that guy, we are remembering him by telling us. Oh, yeah. Take out of him later. Oh, he's got us. That is frustrating. Is that, I wonder if that's how he got around in daily life. Hey, I'm off. See again, don't forget me.
Starting point is 00:21:39 And you wouldn't, would you? No. Never forget that guy. Yeah. Before that, very forgettable guy. A bit dull. Oh, the guy throws pints at people. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:47 Yeah, I remember him. Don't know his name, but I know. Bit of a douchebag. Yeah. He sucks. Soon after, obviously, it had some conservation work done. Need a bit of a patch and repair. According to Kel, by the start of the Second World War,
Starting point is 00:22:00 Chloe and Young and Jackson's were so enmeshed in military mythology that were included in the second 21st Australian Infantry Battalion's official March song. You know, the Army March songs. So there was a little line in it about Chloe, which I don't understand it, but I'll read it. Four lines here. Now this is poetry, though. I'll tell you that.
Starting point is 00:22:22 So it's going to rhyme. It's got a rhyme. Okay. All right, we'll see. I don't understand the rhyme, but it's got a rhyme. Okay. Goodbye Young and Jackson's. Farewell, Chloe, too.
Starting point is 00:22:31 It's a long way to Bone Giller, but we'll get there on stew. Okay. I definitely understood the first two. Yeah. The second part, less so. But I reckon it's a place. And we'll get there on time. On stew.
Starting point is 00:22:46 In time for dinner. Stew will keep us going? On stew. That's what they're eating to. Yeah. get there. Oh, yeah, yeah. Or is it a, maybe it's a nickname for Tuesday.
Starting point is 00:22:55 You know, Tarko Tuesdays, maybe it was Studea's Tuesdays. Yeah, yeah. Stude Day Tuesdays back then. It was what? Stude Day Tuesday. That's why they changed it at Tarko. Yeah, it's better. It really could have had a rewrite.
Starting point is 00:23:08 Like, we'll get there thinking of you or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. That's good. That's just my submission. But a problem, I imagine it means something. Yeah. And all it matters is they understood what it meant, you know?
Starting point is 00:23:19 And all it matters is they understood what it meant, you know? And all it may. matters is that people comment below. After Japan surrender, Australian prisoners of war sent out an SOS to be rescued. I'm not saying this out of nowhere. This is Chloe related. Okay, great. As a test to make sure that they were actually Australians and it wasn't a trap, Melbourne soldier John Van Newton was asked, how would you like to see Chloe again?
Starting point is 00:23:41 Very cryptic question. How would you like to see? So he's just, Japan surrendered. He's found a radio going, hey, come get us, we're out. And at the other end, he gets her, how would you like to see Chloe again? There's no time for that. Come rescue me. Apparently Van Newton replied, lead me to her.
Starting point is 00:24:03 And the operator asked, sure, where is she? And Van Newton responded with Young and Jackson's, finally convincing the operator he was Australian. So they came and got him. Wow. That interesting. So if you were like a double agent or something, Just a little knowledge of Chloe.
Starting point is 00:24:20 You could have brought the whole bloody operation. And probably a convincing Australian accent would have helped too. And to be honest, yes, like if you're stranded overseas and they tried this on you like last week, I'm stuffed. I don't know what you're talking about. Dave, they could try it next week. I'll forget. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:24:32 I'm ruined. Lead me to it. What are you talking about? Who's Chloe, I'd say? I'd say, well, she's not Australian. I'm Jess. Oh, no, no, I'm Jess. Happens all the time.
Starting point is 00:24:43 Kardashian? What are you talking about? In an article written in 1945, West Australian journalist Peter Graham claimed that Chloe is to Melbourne what the bridge is to Sydney. Okay, well, I'm aware of the bridge. Do you remember when for the 56 games they litter up for the Olympics? They litter up. They're sparklers, there's fireworks. Yeah, that was good.
Starting point is 00:25:06 Oh, it's good coverage. But he does clarify, from the soldiers' point of view. Yeah, right. Okay. So when they think of Sydney, they think of the bridge. When they think of Melbourne, they think of Chloe. They also write letters home to the bridge? Yes, you so much.
Starting point is 00:25:16 I love you, Bridge. All those nuts and dots. Can't wait to see you again, Bridge. So, he goes on to say, she is a soldier's pilgrimage when in Melbourne. They speak of her with affection. The bridge will always belong to Sydney, but Chloe belongs to the Australian soldier.
Starting point is 00:25:35 That's nice. In the article, Graham talks of meeting a soldier at the bar who necks three beers in a row in front of the painting. So it's downstairs. What a tribute. In 45. In Army gear. One for me.
Starting point is 00:25:48 One for Chloe. One for me. Bang. And Graham went up to him and said, could help but notice you just skull three beers. And apparently beer was sort of rationed at the time. It was like, it was pretty wild that you were just knocking them down like that.
Starting point is 00:26:01 And apparently the soldier replied when he asked, what are you up to? The soldier replied, keeping a promise we made to Chloe 12 months ago when we were going north to have a drink with her when we came back. The soldiers' two mates died in the war, so he was keeping the promise for all three of them. Oh, that's nice. Pretty sweet.
Starting point is 00:26:18 Yeah. For decades it remained in the main downstairs bar until 1987, when it was moved upstairs to protect it from natural light and the smoke. The following year, the National Trust and Heritage Victoria decreed that the painting in the pub remained bound together forever. They're not a... Wow! Wow!
Starting point is 00:26:39 You couldn't buy this and take it elsewhere. Chloe's not supposed to leave the hotel. certainly can't leave the hotel without permission. She recently did actually get permission to leave the hotel. She went to Mona for a couple of months. She's considered a fixture or fitting of the pub. So if you want to buy Chloe, you'll need to buy the hotel and vice versa. Do we know what it's worth in today's money? She's currently insured for $3 million. $3 million. And the pub? I'm just saying, I'm crunching some numbers now. But more. So the whole package is at least three. Well, probably even more.
Starting point is 00:27:12 Probably 30, yeah. Okay, well, I'll talk to the bank. Yeah. In 2004, a punter knocked the painting up in this room, which is amazing to think about, knocked the painting breaking the protective glass. Whoa. And causing a 15 centimeter scratch. According to then bar manager Dan Payne, the culprit quote, did a runner.
Starting point is 00:27:36 We were notified about it 10 seconds after the incident happened. My heart stopped beating. Luckily the damage was able to be repaired and after ordering special German protective glass Chloe was returned here to the bar where the public can continue to have a meal and a drink in her presence more than 110 years after she first arrived. So that's that's the story of Chloe. You should be able to have a Palmer and a pot in front of the Mona Lisa. Yeah. Certainly make me want to go there more. I'll tell you something about the Mona Lisa, but nothing on the size of this.
Starting point is 00:28:13 No way, teeny tiny. Yeah, she'd crush her in a fight. Absolutely. She's a little different from Mona Lisa as well. Her eyes never follow you around. Yeah. She's always looking away. You can try as you might.
Starting point is 00:28:28 Though her ear hole is staring straight into me. Yeah. My God, look at that. Cheers to Chloe. Cheers to Chloe. Cheers to Chloe. It's 10 a.m. Dugan Presents Artifacts has been made
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