Do Go On - Do Go On Presents: Just Make the Thing (feat. Jess Perkins!)

Episode Date: July 8, 2018

WTF are we doing in your podcast feed today?! Good bloody question! Well, we're here to give you a little taster of Just Make the Thing, a great podcast from the Planet Broadcasting network! You can find more of JMTT here:https://www.planetbroadcasting.com/https://itunes.apple.com/au/podcast/just-make-the-thing/id1244409453?mt=2https://omny.fm/shows/justmakethethingAnd to donate to the Care Australia charity campaign that James and Claire mention, visit:https://planetbroadcasting.blackbaud-sites.com/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Melbourne and Canada, we got exciting news for you. And we should also say this is 2026. Jess, what year is it? 2026. Thank God you're here. Right now, I'm in Melbourne doing my show with Serenji Amarna, 630 each night at the Cooper's Inn Hotel, having so much fun. We'd love to see you there.

Canada, we are visiting you in September this year. If you've somehow missed the news, we are heading up Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal, and Toronto for shows. That's going to be so much fun. Tickets for all this stuff, I believe, are online. And I'm here too. This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates.

Welcome to DoGo on Presents. Oh man, I like saying that. We've landed in like high society or something. Oh, hello. Oh, good day. Good day. Let us present you with something. Is that how it works?

I don't know. I think so. That's how high society does it. Er. I'm presenting you. Are they often presenting things you? Yes. They're butts.

He's presenting. That's how they do it behind closed doors. What's a good butler name? Dives. Chives. Chives. Chives. Chives.

Chives. Clean my monocle. Yes, sir, Professor Herb. That is not the first time that's been said. God, no. Certainly not. And I mean, Dave would know all about it. He grew up with a butler, didn't you?

Didn't you, Dave? Well, I mean, we assume. Multiple. Yes. Obviously. Butler's. Multiple but. You were firing and hiring like there's not.

Oh, totally. Toddler tyrant he was. Yeah, you fuck up something over here. Oh, you didn't pack up my Lego right. You're dead. Oh, Dave. Oh, Dave. You're fired out of a cannon.

Into the ocean. He didn't even live near the ocean. No. And you all would be wearing concrete boots. And nothing else. Need a powerful cannon. Wow, Dave. And maybe next time you put the blue blocks in the blue box.

Did you not realize that there were. wouldn't be a next time? Yeah, well. Or did you believe in reincarnation? Well, there was a lesson to the rest of the butlers who went along the shore watching of course. Their friend and colleague

be blasted to his demise. Wow, Dave. Oh, you're a really bad child. Yeah, so that's what this podcast episode is. Now, if you're wondering why we popped up in your feed midweek in between what we've got here is a special little taster. Little cheese and chaves tasting

play. That's right. Yum. Thank you. Thank you, Chives. A little taster of a great podcast that is also on the Planet Broadcasting Network called Just Make the Thing, hosted by Planet Broadcasting Headhontro Claire Tonti. We call her the Tonts. Yeah.

That's never happened before, but from now when we call her the Tonts. Yo, Tonti! Tanta! That's the most adamant I've ever seen your face. Was that John Travolta? I don't know. Hey. Hey, Mr. Cantor!

Mrs. Tante! Oh, wow, okay, I hated all of that. All right. I won't do my John Travolts. We were really trying to encourage people to listen to Claire's show. And I imagine we might be talking amongst ourselves. Is anyone still listening? How would you best describe Claire's show?

Oh, I'd call it a deep dive. A deep dive. Into the psyches of her guest. The idea of it being talking to people about making creative projects, starting to make things and then continuing to make them. That's a way of encouraging others to just get out there. Just make the thing. Make that podcast. Write that blog.

Write that script. Do whatever. Yes. Stop procrastinating. And just keep it going. And it's, yes. And I guess trying to inspire people by talking to people who have been making things and hearing about their experiences and trying to make it relatable and less scary. A guest.

And she's had some pretty impressive guests as well. She's had Will Anderson on the pod. Luke McGregor and Celia for Cole. That's a really good episode. And I love them very much. I really like that one a lot as well. Geraldine Hickey, Mr. Sunday movies, of course. Jess Harris, heaps of amazing artists of lots of different, you know, mediums.

And then in a whole other category. Oh. Above. Yes. Good save. The Cremes. Will Anderson then way above in terms of creativity and productivity. Yeah.

Right. In terms of track record. Yeah. Yes. Runs on the board. They are having a dig at me. Well, kind of all of us in a way. Yeah, true.

We've all been on there. We have all been on. So you can listen to episodes with the boys as well. But what we're going to play for you now is just a little taster of my chat. A little mousselle. Just a little bit. With a thin. Of my chat.

Chad with Claire Tanti. I'm just making the thing. Now I've listened to it, Jess, and I thought it was a great episode. Really shows a lot behind the scenes of your creative working life. And I learned stuff about you that I didn't know, even though we've been working together for nearly three years now. Because you just don't ask the questions. That's right.

Not like Tanti does. Tanti! I just said her name. You know, as I like to call her, by her name. But yeah, no, I learned a lot about you as well. Well, and then I message, I listen to your episode and I message Claire straight after. I said, hey, can I record mine again? Because Jess did it better than me.

I mean, there is a reason that we're playing Jess's episode, not Matt, all right. But you can listen to those as well. They're very good. So, yeah, we're going to play you a big chunk of it now, and then we're going to drop in and have a chat to you at the end of the episode. And if you love it, which we think you will, you can go out and subscribe to Just Make the Thing. And we'll talk about this at the end of this, but on planetabroadcasting.com or on iTunes or all the pod apps. Yes. And this is, I mean, this is just the first episode of Do Go On Presents.

Who knows what will be next? Maybe Beethoven's Symphony, the third. Probably. Here's a three-hour symphony. Enjoy. We'll come back at the end. It wasn't that great. Well, enough waffling from us.

You can hear some more waffling from me now. This episode is brought to you by Planet Broadcasting's 2018 partnership with Care Australia and Everyday Hero, supporting women and girls living in extreme poverty around the world. To donate to our campaign, visit Planet Broadcasting. or click on the link in the show notes below. Great people do things before they're ready. They do things before they know they can do it. And by doing it, they're proven right.

Amy Paula. Hello and welcome to Just Make the Thing, a podcast of people like me. I'm your host, Claire Tonte, for people who want to start a thing and keep on making it. Jess Perkins, or Bop, as she's sometimes called, is an Australian comedian, a radio host on Triple J, and one third of the very hilarious comedy trivia pod do go on.

This girl has the most infectious laugh and is a downright smart and talented human. She's also a very wise one. I love that she jumped into stand up by entering into the raw comedy festival and I think she proves Amy Pula right. If you don't jump in before you're ready, you may never jump in at all. What she has to say on failure, on self-doubt and also about being a woman in the comedy industry is fascinating. Jess and I could have chinwagged all day and did before and after I turned off the mics. I love her perspective on the world, her work ethic and her love of joyful, silly, storytelling

comedy because that's the kind that I love to. Okay, here we go. The latest episode of Just Make The Thing with a delightful bop. So, Jess Perkins, hello. Hello. Hello, thank you for coming on Just Make The Thing. Thank you so much for having me. I'm very excited.

Oh, goodness. Okay, no pressure. It's going to be good. I never appear on anyone else's podcasts. So, no. This is a huge honour for you. This is amazing. I know.

I've been like preparing the house like the queen is coming. We haven't just like thrown whole little cushions on the floor for our soundproofing and our dog has an attack to you. Yeah, it's fine. It's totally fine. It's amazing. The service. Yeah.

And if you can use something in the background, that is the podcast dog trying to get in to bully Jess. But hopefully James, James will take her soon and it'll all be fine. So I wanted to start. I've been wanting to talk to you for ages actually because you do lots of cool stuff, lots of creative stuff because it shows all about how to start a thing and keep on making it. So I wanted to ask you first when you realised you were funny.

Oh, wow. I think, I think as a kid I was aware that was something that was, that was in me. And I only realized recently that my parents, particularly my mum, really, like, praised that or put an emphasis on that. I remember in primary school a couple of times when there'd be events on or something and your parents had to write you a letter, whether it was like we were at in school camp or coming up to milestones in our lives

and they'd get our parents to write us letters. And I remember I've got them and a couple of them, mum would sort of write that, you know, you've got this sense of humour that's beyond your years and you can light up a room, like all those beautiful mum things. Yeah. But it's because they kind of praised that in me that I was like, I'm funny. You know, like that was just something I was.

Like, part of your personality. Yeah, which I think is a great thing to instill in a kid. Oh, I'll be really disappointed. And I'm sorry if my sons are into this in the future. I'll be so disappointed if it's not funny. Right? With me. Oh, my God.

My boyfriend and I were talking about that recently. We're like, what if we had a kid and they were like a real nerd? Yeah. Oh, I can. will be a real nerd. Yeah. I reckon, but a funny one. Funny one.

Have a sense of humor. God, I know. What if they're like a real straight-laced accountant type? Yeah. And I knew you hate accountants. I know. I do have accountants. But yeah, that would be the only way my children could disappoint me is to not have a sense

of humor. Doesn't matter what they do in their career. Maybe they never have a job. But if they're not funny, get out of the Perkins household. I can't judge their career choices. Like, look what I've been doing with my degree. Like, nothing. So whatever they want to do.

to do is fine but just have a sense of humor well you've got a journalism degree i do yeah yeah what made you choose why did you laugh because it's so silly well you're working on radio now i know it's true that's pretty official i have always joked that i never did anything with my degree but i kind of i kind of do now i work for the abc now yeah that's a real grown-up job yeah i had to do like um i had to do some editorial policies training and i was going through it and i was like yeah this is all i know this why am I doing this training? And then I was like, oh, you know this because you've done the degree. You're using your degree.

That thing that you've got a lot of headstep for, which is like James has a business degree and a teacher degree and uses neither now. When he did business, it was like, make a flyer and turns it around. Very different. Really good. Yeah. So, yeah, why journalism? What did you decide that?

Well, when I finished year 12, this is like a big moment in my life. When I did year 12, I did drama and I got a perfect score in my drama solo. It's like top 1% in the state kind of thing. I know. That's why I did a big. Yeah, it was a big deal and it was something that I wanted and worked so hard on. And so then I got, I promise this is getting to the point. Then I got invited to audition for top class,

which is the best drama solos in the state. They pick a handful of them. You auditioned, they pick a handful, and you perform at a showcase. And that's all I wanted. When I was in year 12, all I wanted was to be drama captain, to win the Performing Arts Award and to get to do top class. And so I was drama captain, I'd won the Performing Arts Award, and I was like, I'm going to, I really want top class.

And I fucked the audition. I didn't complete, like the performance was fine, but I started too early. I wasn't focused enough and I didn't do my best. So I didn't get it. and I also didn't get into the performing arts course that I wanted to do because my ATA, my interscore, wasn't high enough because you needed to be like really good at maths and biology to get into performing arts, which made a lot of sense.

Necessary. Yeah. So that kind of, it was sort of the first time I'd really, really tried at something and failed. And instead of getting back up, I stayed down. My dad always says, like, and it's not something that he's thought of, but he always reminds me, like fall down seven times get up eight and it was I stayed down and I still credit that I'm like yeah I just stayed down I gave up and I didn't try things again and so then my backup option was I got into creative arts and culture at ACU which is which is just an arts degree but you had to major in something

creative okay so I was a drama and literature major and in my drama classes we would read plays we wouldn't perform anything there was no performance elements we would just sit and read place. I was sort of like, this course is going to get me nowhere. I wasn't enjoying it. So I stuck it out for a year and then I looked at a few different things. I actually looked at doing paramedic. Wow.

I wanted to be a paramedic. I looked at a few different things and then I ended up transferring over to Deakin uni and doing media and communications. So I did all sorts of things like PR and general media and stuff like that and then kind of fell into majoring in journalism. And I had a minor in literature and film studies as well. So I was kind of a fairly rounded education, but yeah, I ended up with a major in journalism and did work experience at like Channel 10 and a newspaper and stuff like that. But, yeah, I think even doing those internships, I was like, this isn't quite for me.

Yeah. Did you love the writing element of it? Yeah. Is that why you chose it in the end? Yeah, absolutely. And I remember feeling like, I think I finished uni kind of going, I learnt nothing, but I realized much later that what it actually taught me was, which is funny because you don't see it a lot in journalism, but I can't jump to conclusions.

I actually need to have all sides of information stories to make up my mind. And I only noticed that years later when I told mum about a story I'd read in the newspaper and she was just like, oh, what a monster he should be in prison. And I was like, well, hang on, you've only heard one tiny part of it and you've jumped to a conclusion. And that's when I was like, oh, my degree taught me something. So that's kind of nice. That's a huge thing, especially now in the climate we're living in, to be able to have that. Yeah.

To know that there's two sides to everything. There's multiple sides. Yeah, there's at least two. At least upside and downside as well. Yeah, you can look at it from so many different angles. So many, and intention and context and so many different things, perception can make it so different from so many different angles. It's really interesting.

Oh, completely. And the way that you were raised, shapes your world and your world experience. Yeah. I 100% agree with that. So what changed? You did your journalism degree and you were down. You said, you were like, nah, performing arts. What made you go, okay, got to do something.

I think it was, I don't even remember how it came about, but I knew that there was a, or I found out there was a training course at CIN, student youth network, radio. And my friend and I decided to go along to that. It was like one night a week for, you know, a period of time, whatever it was. and we went and did that

and then from there you could sort of have your own show so we were doing like this late night show and we were doing the graveyard shifts and just sort of having a go at it and I realized that I really liked radio and I did more and more at Sin and there was one show that was called Injoke and it was just after a big breakup for me

like I was 24 and it was like a six year relationship ended and I saw this thing on the Sin Facebook page that was like, we're looking for hosts for in-joke, you know, apply if you want to give it a go. And I sort of went, oh, I'd kind of like to do that. And my usual default would be to go, oh, I kind of want to do that and check with him, not check with him for permission, but be like, what do you reckon?

Yeah, yeah. And wait for that validation. Yeah. But now I only had myself to back me. So I went, yeah, I'll give it a go. And that turned out, I think I did that for six months or close to a year or something. And we would just go see comedy shows and interview comedians. And it got me back into that world of comedy that I had loved as a teenager.

Like I introduced my parents to the Comedy Festival who've lived in Melbourne, pretty much their whole lives. And they just had never. Never really seen much or done much. But this teenager was like, I've got to go see all these shows and I need a guardian. So that's what they did, which was great. So yeah, it kind of got me back into comedy. And then I just signed up for Raw.

and I was like, I'm going to give this a go. That is a ballsy. It's stupid. It's a big difference, though, from being like, I'm doing community radio, like where you don't see the audience to going, I'm going to get up in front of hundreds of people and try and make them laugh. Yeah. What was that first gig like?

Amazing. It was really good. Yeah. And because I was a drama nerd at school. Yeah. And was always, always lent more towards the comedy, for sure. Like, my solo and everything was always comedic. So I knew that I loved being on a stage and I knew I could make people laugh.

But it was a different type. Like, you know, we'd done sketches and stuff like that at school, characters. Now I was just telling stories as me. But I think Raw is a perfect place for someone to start because you've got a pretty big audience and they're really eager and they're really up for it and they're very supportive. So we went, my parents were there, a few friends were there. And I think that was good too that I'd told people I was doing it because it meant I had to.

Because the day before I was like, you know what, maybe I just won't do it. Maybe I just won't turn up. I just won't do it. And I had to because other people were coming. And it was a great gig. I went on like third and did really well and got through to the next round. And it just kind of went from there. So the second gig must have been like a preliminary final or something like that

or a next heat, whatever it was. And then after that I got a message on Facebook from Pete Jones. who's a comedy comedy person he's a comedian and he just asked me to come down and do a gig, get a room he was running and that's sort of how I started to meet other comedians

and then it just made it less daunting because the thing that scared me so much about stand-up was like I didn't know the logistics like if you're going to go and sign up for a room where do you sign up, who do you talk to, where do you stand? Little things like that, stupid little details but then I started to meet people and that made it a lot less scary. Wow.

And so you sort of felt like you'd found your thing? Yeah, definitely. I felt like I found my people or a place that I belonged. Because, I mean, we all, I had a pretty good time at high school. I wasn't, like, I wasn't like, drama captain. Everybody loved to dress peopies. Oh, yeah, everybody loves the drama captain. No, but I was kind of, I was friends with everyone, I guess.

But it felt more like, um, I did feel like. I did feel like I was a bit different and then meeting comedy people, I was like, oh, okay, these people don't think I'm weird or like a bit out there. They're just my people, which is cool. So cool. Yeah. It's interesting that it was a breakup that kind of pushed you into doing something again because I often hear that from people that maybe not necessarily breakup,

but it often is it's some kind of cataclysmic life-altering thing that happens to you that pushes you in a new direction. Do you have you always had, James and I talk about this a little bit, like a creative itch, like a thing that you have to make stuff and if you're not making stuff, you're sort of miserable? Yeah. And I think I didn't realise I had that until I started making stuff. And now I can't really stop.

Like I can't, I get overwhelmed if I'm too busy. But if I stop for a little while, I also just get really anxious and, kind of bored. I'm like, oh, I've got to do something. I'm not doing anything. I'm not being productive. So yeah, but I still haven't, I feel like I haven't quite nailed exactly what it is that I'm good at. Like, I think there's, I think there's something more. I think there's, but I don't know what it is, but I'll find it. That's exciting, yeah. Maybe that's actually something that you'll always feel. Probably. Because I spoke to Will Anderson and he said that too, that he had like a hundred things that he wished he hadn't got to yet and he was like, I probably

won't have time to do. Yeah. So maybe when you're a creative person, you always want to have that. Like, what's the next thing? Yeah, I think so. I'll get there. What's the next thing I could do? What's the next thing?

It's almost like it's never enough or it's, you always want something more. I think that's definitely true. Because you'll sort of, you'll tick something off a list or you'll achieve something you wanted to and then it's like, okay, but you can't be happy with that for very long. Yeah. So it's like, what's next? Yeah. How do you feel when you come off the stage immediately after a gig?

Yeah, good, really good. Well, if the gig's gone well, if it's gone badly, it's like, well, where's the nearest bridge? How do you go with that? Because I know you said you've had that failure early on and that really put you down. How do you cope with it now when it doesn't go well like that? I think you learn pretty quickly, especially with something like stand-up, that there are going to be rough gigs and it's not always in your control. Sometimes you can turn a gig around. Sometimes you absolutely can't.

but you see really good acts have rough gigs sometimes and you're like it's just the nature of the beast and one bad gig doesn't define you just like one good gig doesn't define you um so and I think it also when it when it's early because I had early success like I was doing really well with raw comedy and stuff like that that I ended up going to the I got through the national final and the national final was my seventh ever gig oh my god like I was really great But other people didn't know how new I was. So I always felt like, early on, I felt like I had to be really good every gig because they expected more of me. But I think it comes down to like you don't judge one, you don't judge a comedian based on one performance you see of theirs.

Because I've seen people, like the first time I saw them, they bombed. And then I've had it in my head that that person sucks. Then you might see them again later and they're absolutely destroying. And you're like, oh, no, I was wrong. I saw them on an off night. And so now I'm a bit more confident in the fact that people in the comedy community know me and know that I'm a capable comedian. Yeah.

So if I have a bad gig, it was a bad gig. I'm not a bad comedian. Yeah. So I think that that helps with rough gigs now because you go, I'm not a bad comedian. That was a bad gig. And that's it. That's like life advice. Yeah.

In general, hey, like your mistakes don't define who you are. Yeah. They're just things that happen to you. Things that happen. And same with good things. They don't necessarily define who you are. Yeah. Well, I guess hopefully they do more so than the bad things.

But like, yeah, you can't do one good deed and be like, well, I'm a good person now. Like it's, yeah. Wear a medal around your neck and just be like, I'm excellent everybody. Did the dishes. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Winning, winning life.

Yeah. Exactly. And I often struggled with that too, I think. And doing this podcast has been really good in that way. you start to learn that there's always another thing and there's always something else to try or something else to experiment with. And if you just give up at the very first hurdle, you're never going to make anything. Yeah.

You know. You're just going to, yeah, you're denying yourself all these amazing opportunities. Yeah. Yeah. And to really be good at something, you have to keep building on it. Absolutely. Like lots of little steps. Yeah.

Yeah. And you often don't quite realize that you've become good at something. Like somebody was asking me. me recently, my friend Naomi, she was going to be doing a, like, a demo with a radio station. And she asked for some tips about radio. And I kind of thought like, fuck, if I don't know what I'm doing. But then I gave her all this advice and I was like, oh, maybe I do kind of have an idea of what I'm doing with something I've been doing for about five years.

It's like, yeah, you probably have some idea. And I'm still learning. There's still heaps that I can learn from it. But, like, I do know something. Yeah, after five years. You know a lot. You kind of know what you're doing in a way. Yeah, absolutely.

So I think it sneaks up on you and then you're like, oh, shit, I know what I'm doing. Yeah, I'm great. It's really nice. Yeah. And then I think life also can teach you once you get to that moment, then you realize, actually, no, I don't know. Yeah. I don't know everything. Yeah.

Yeah. It's a continual learning process. Yeah. Yeah. So tell me about Dugan. How did that eventuate? My favorite thing. The boys have told me that they recorded a couple of episodes.

I think it was originally Dave's ideas, what I heard. That's what Dave were saying on the show. Dave's idea and he did it with Matt because Matt also had sort of a bit of a trivia background. And they just sort of found that it was a bit hard with two voices because you sort of got one person doing the report and one other person going, yeah, that's interesting. It's really hard to riff. Yeah.

And I remember being at a gig in Footscray and Matt was on and we were just sort of chatting afterwards and he was just very casually leaning against a table and he just said oh like Dave and I have been doing this podcast and wondered if you'd wanted to to come in and join us for it. And I was like, yeah, okay, I guess. I didn't really know much about podcasts. I just liked both of those guys because I'd met them through the community radio I'd been doing and they both came on my web series and um. Oh, which is great by the way.

Yeah. I guess that was me just wanting to make something. It was just a passion project. I was like, I just want to make something. This is an idea I've had. And one of my friends was just like, then we're doing it. We're making it. And we did. And it was really cool. But it also meant I got to, it was sort of my first introduction to stupid old studios and all of those guys and meant I met a lot of people, which was cool. But apparently Matt and Dave was sort of talking and it was like, oh, you know, who do you think we should get? and I think, let's say Dave said, what about Jess Perkins and Matt went, I was thinking her too. So I was sort of like, they both thought of me

and brought me in, and here we are, like a couple of years later, still going. I know. And it's the best. It's my favourite thing that I do. Really? Yeah, absolutely.

Why? Because it's genuinely so fun. Like, we really enjoy it. We never would have thought it would turn into it has turned into. Like if you told me two and a half years ago that in two and a half years, you're going to have a joint bank account

with Matt Stewart and Dave Warnocky, I'd be like, why? Why am I going to have that? Yeah. So it's like a business now. But I think if you get into a podcast thinking, well, this is going to be my job and it's going to be how I make heaps of money,

it's not going to happen because you're coming in at the wrong angle. Yeah. Because we just came in at like, this is fun and it it still is it's still always fun i can be in a really bad mood or i can be really down and i'll head for the studio knowing that just talking to them's going to cheer me up and it always does they annoy me and i mother them and uh that that that annoys matt but um yeah they're like two of my best mates now and it's my favorite thing that i do it comes across in the show

definitely because i think that's the feedback i hear from people a lot that they just laugh along with you. Yeah. Because it's not just the reports, but the friendship that you have and the way that you interact with each other and make fun of each other. Yeah, but we make fun of each other, but it's with a lot of love. Yeah. It always comes from, well, it doesn't come from a good place when you're making fun of someone,

but it's, there's no malice, there's no bad intentions. It is always friendly. And that means that the way people interact with us is much the same too. Like they'll muck around with us and. they'll hang shit on us, but it's always in a pretty friendly way. Yeah. And I think the way that you interact on a podcast determines how people will interact with you as well.

100%. Yeah. So we're very lucky that we are friendly with one another because people tend to be nice to us as well, which is good. Like, please don't abuse me on Twitter. No, no, I couldn't add to that. I don't like it. No, no.

I think that's like ultimately the whole planet broadcasting thing is like that. And it is. it's because of the way people who speak to each other on their shows. And then in the community, yeah, we're trying to build that kind of positive stuff, which I think is really rare on the internet. Yeah. The internet sounds like it can be a really scary place for women. Yes.

Do you reckon? Yes. Have you ever experienced that? Yeah. I mean, we get quite a lot of feedback from the podcast, whether it's reviews on iTunes or whether it's tweets or emails or Facebook, whatever it is. We get heaps.

and 98% of it is really positive. And, yeah, the small percentage that isn't, I find I get the most feedback in general. Really? Like whether positive or negative, I'll get the most feedback. Yeah. But the negative stuff is pretty rough sometimes. Wow.

And the boys are amazing in that they will back me whatever I decide to do. So generally we would always ignore. We won't engage with a bully or anything like that. What's really nice, though, is that the other listeners will. So I remember once this guy was like trolling us on Instagram. He didn't even follow us, but he would look us up and just leave abusive messages about me. Like wishing death upon me.

About you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like he was saying that the boys were starting to sound like me and get rid of her, get a real host on, stuff like that. Oh, my gosh. Calling me fat and things like that too. And I was just like, okay. Oh my God.

And you know, you read it, on first reading, you're kind of like, Jesus. But then I'd like read it again and go, what the fuck is you talking about? Like, what? And then we would discuss it with the boys because sometimes I just need to kind of vent. I just need them to go, that sucks, dude. You know, and then I'm fine. But they'll always back me with whatever I want to do. So if I want to engage with someone and shut someone down, they'll back me.

That's fine. Or generally we'll ignore. But with this guy, a couple other people would like comment. and be like, dude, what are you talking about? Or don't listen if you hate it so much. Jess is the best. And, like, they'd be really supportive. And I was like, okay, these guys are all right.

That's awesome. But you do get some weird stuff. Yeah, especially being female and a lot of marriage proposals. And you're just like, you don't know me. No, I'm not going to be your girlfriend. Nah. No, thanks. No, thanks.

No, not random internet, man. I'm good. I'm good. I didn't know that. Yeah. Do you not know that you got that kind of feedback? Yeah, it's really interesting. Yeah.

Why do you think, like, other than just, do you think it is just that you're a woman and you're being in comedy? Yeah, I don't know exactly what it is. I think it's, it can be so many different factors. I think it is a woman. I think it's a funny woman, which is intimidating because that means intelligent woman. But also, like most people will really like my laugh.

I've got quite a loud laugh. It's the best. I love your laugh. A lot of people do and that's really, really nice, but you'll get other people like, shut up. I'm like, well. Don't listen, guys. Yeah, don't listen.

If you hate it that much, it's part of what I contribute to the show. Yeah. It's infectious. One of my favorite parts. It's so silly. But yeah, so it is a bit strange. I'm not entirely sure what it is. It motivates people to send hate.

But it does tend to be, I don't know. Maybe the boys get it and I don't see it. as much but they definitely don't like me sometimes um but i don't care yeah yeah i think you get to a point where you're just like no i'm i'm secure in what i'm doing and i'm going to focus on the good feedback yeah and constructive criticism i'm always very open to but just saying like you're shit and you're not funny and your laugh's annoying i'm like well that's not very constructive is it Can't change any of those things. So move on.

Move on. Thanks. Bye. There is a kind of thing because James gets that a lot on Mr. Sunday movies on his YouTube, particularly. They have a whole segment on their show called Hate Mail, which is just James reading out death threats and like ridiculous things people say. And he deals with it by, yeah, just laughing about it in the end. And in a way, you sort of think, the bigger that you. you get, if you're not getting hate mail yet, that means you're not that big.

Yeah. That's a great way of look at it. If you're getting hate mail, you're like, yeah, I think I've made it now. Yeah, I've done it. Yeah, but I do think there is something about that whole men being threatened thing. Yep. Which I don't understand. Because I would never write to someone.

I mean, I very, really write to anyone on the internet that I follow anyway. Yeah. But I can't ever imagine being like, I don't know what I'm going to say. You're an idiot. Yeah. Yeah. You laugh. It's so strange.

I would never do that either. But it's also, the thing that bothers me is that I would get feedback that has nothing to do with what I'm employed to do. So my job, I have many jobs, but mostly is to be a comedian to do a podcast or to do radio. That's what I'm there for. So I actually get like, and it sounds so stupid, but I get really annoyed when people will be like, you're pretty. Not that that happens often, I'm not bragging, but like if people just like, yeah, guys will send me messages on Instagram or anywhere and just be like, you're so beautiful.

I'm like, that's not my job. No. Don't compliment me on that. That's not what I'm employed for. I'm intelligent and I'm funny. That's what I'm employed for. You can say, I think you're really funny or thanks for making a great podcast or whatever or the opposite, if that's what you want.

But don't talk about my looks. That's not what I'm here for. And that bothers me for some reason. Well, I think that's reasonable, but it's just like, no, piss off. Yeah. I completely understand. Why do you think it bothers you? Because I don't want to be seen as, because that feels like it's something you'd only say to a woman.

I don't feel like the boys get, gosh, you're handsome. Oh, love that outfit on you. Yeah. Marry me. Yeah, God, you look good. Aren't you cute? I feel like it's just something that men feel it's okay to say to women, but it's not. And it's not, yeah, you don't know me, for starters.

We're not friends. If a friend comes up to me and says, you look nice today or, oh, you've had a haircut, that looks good, whatever, that's fine. And a lot of the time it can be friendly. And that's fine. And it's funny that people will notice that I have a haircut and we'll say, oh, just your hair looks good. And that's, you know, that's fine.

That's not creepy or anything. It's when it's when it crosses that boundary and it's a bit. bit creepy or a bit too personal or something it's like no like i've got one once that i just ignored and it said something like um all three of you on the podcast are really funny but you're the only one who's also truly beautiful or something like that i was just like gross dude just say you're all funny just say you're all really funny and i like the show leave it at that exactly this is such an important conversation i think to have because i'm sure there are a lot of blokes out there it a lot would be like,

well, but I'm saying you're beautiful. I'm giving you a compliment. What is the problem? And I think I went to Sili Picola show last night and she was talking a little bit about the whole Me Too stuff and all of this conversation. And I think it's about us saying this kind of stuff

and guys hearing it and being like, it's not okay if I don't know you. Yeah. And I like what you do to then sort of, it feels like you're objectifying us. Yeah, exactly. Into something, like just the way we look. Yep.

I'm just an object. Yeah. But I'm not. I'm a fully formed human. I can attest to that. Yeah. You're in my house, sitting on the couch. I'm real.

Yeah. I'm a person. I have feelings, sometimes too many feelings. And I work really hard on lots of different things, one of which is not my looks or my appearance. That's not what I'm here for. Yeah. My job is to entertain you and make you laugh.

I'm not an object. Yeah. So, yeah, when people will, like I remember, a live show we did a little while ago, a guy walked in and he was like, hi, Jess, and he was really lovely. And we chatted a bit and he goes, I love your shirt. I said, thank you. It's new. I don't know how I feel about it.

He goes, no, I love it. It's great. I said, thanks very much. You know, and like, in the context, sometimes it can be fine. Yeah, that's fine. But, yeah, it's when you just get random messages, it does, it irks me a bit too. because I'm just like, I'm not an object. I'm not, yeah.

Not decorative. Yeah. Yeah. And that you wouldn't say that to a bloke in the same way. Yeah. I mean, I don't, because actually, when I think about it, James and Mesao get a lot of mail and emails, but they very rarely get emails that are like,

you're beautiful. Yeah. You know, they might get, when James had built his face, a few people are like, well, he's pretty good looking and handsome. them, we thought he was going to be a troll. And, you know, that was okay. That's fine. That's fine.

But it's not done very often. And it's very rarely what they really value about their skill set. And in a way, that's kind of like, they're mucking around a little bit there anyway in that context. Where it's like, oh, he's all right looking. Thought he was going to be a troll. Like that's kind of funny. Yeah. But yeah, often it will be like, Matt and Dave are so funny.

Jess, you're gorgeous. And it's like, fuck you. I'm hilarious. Even if you don't think I'm that funny. that's fine whatever but like I'm I'm not there as a as a you're right a decorative I'm not decorative you're not the boreble yeah yeah a triumph wow well a part way of a triumph oh so far a triumph I look to be honest we've stopped it there because I don't think brains could take in any more charisma what was your favorite part oh if I had to pick it'd be you know I really liked how it started

with the introduction uh-huh and then from there the middle section was so good. I do actually genuinely like her introduction because unknowingly she introduces me with a quote from Amy Polar, who's one of my favorite performers ever. So I was like, oh, well done, Tanti. Well done. Well done. Yeah.

That's why they call her the Tont. Dante. Tante. Now, most people would think that we've just recorded the intro, then recorded the outro, but we did sit here, listen to it, staring at Jess the whole time. Yeah, I was very uncomfortable. Yeah, she got comfortable as we went and started mouthing both paths. Then eventually getting up and playing the roles,

blocking and facing, you know, different directions. You could tell the difference, too, between my portrayal of... The physicality. Yeah, of me and also my portrayal of Claire. With just one look. I know. I'm very talented actress. If you want to hear the rest of that episode,

you can obviously go and do that at Just Makes a Thing, which you can find on iTunes or other, you know, podcast app places. That's right, planetabroadcasting.com. People have been really lovely about the episode as well. I've had some really, really positive and nice feedback about it. If you'd like to give positive feedback, please feel free. Negative feedback can fuck off. Right.

That's a rule, a general rule. Yeah, I'm not joking. Just keep it to yourself. But if you've got nice things to say, share them around. Not just to me. I mean, in general, in just life. You know, you enjoyed a meal at a restaurant. Let them know.

You hated it. Just leave. I mean, pay. Don't do a runner. Well, I was on the way out. See you. Well, I mean, it's not worth. paying for, but I'm not going to be a prick.

Just leave. Yeah. Just leave the thing. My podcast. Or I steal from restaurants. Oh, Dave. You're going to go to prison. Yeah.

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