Two In The Think Tank - Do Go On Presents: Listen Now with Matt and Sam

Episode Date: December 8, 2019

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I knew you were a titular. I'm titular as. And it's a show I do with my cousin Sam, and we go on through albums, music albums. This first season is about the classic Australian pub rock band, Cold Chisel. And in this episode that we're presenting, it's the first proper episode.

And in it, we talked about the history of pub rock in Australia, as well as the formation of Cold Chisel, the band. And Cold Chisel's frontman is, of course, Jimmy Barnes. So we had Sam from this, and now A few weeks ago, do a report, a fantastic report on the crazy life of one of Australia's biggest rock legends. And just during the week, we're in the town of his birth in Glasgow,

which was really cool. Yeah. What a beautiful cool city Glasgow is. But yeah, so this episode kicks it off. And then after this episode, if you want to go over and subscribe to Listen Now with Matt and Sam, we go through their back catalog album by album and so the first half of the episode is a bit of, is about where the band were and sort of a bit of history of the band from the time.

Review the album and then we go through and play a bit of each track, so it's a bloody, pretty good time. And just now on a recent episode where we talked about a live album. You're actually going to be on this week's episode. Oh. Which is awesome. And I'd all ties in that because we recorded that before we left for the UK. And that was a lot of fun. I really enjoyed that and I enjoyed listening to the Cultures of the album. Yeah, that's great. So yeah, if you if you enjoyed this, subscribe and you'll be able to hear the episode with Jess and Dave coming up this Monday Anyway, let's kick into that episode with me and Sam listen out episode one

Welcome to Listen Now, the podcast where we go through the back catalogs of some of the most important and rock-n-a-spans of all time. With me as always, it's my co-host, Sam Tomkin. Get A made, how are you? Pretty good, Sam. Thanks so much for joining us as it is your job to do that So this is really the first proper episode excited. Yes Could you hey could you talk and other motherfucking It's my first time. I'm so sorry. Hey, no, that's just one of the key things is for people to be able to hear you

That is the point of a podcast. So we're starting with Australian pub rock legends, cold chisel. Yes, my boys. And why are they your boys? Why did you want to start with them? Oh, just sounds of your childhood, you know? Remember sitting on the back porch, dad's doing the lawns and I'm sitting there with a lemonade, pre-18 years old,

and I just listening to the cheers. Listen to the cheers getting cheers on. Yeah, I think my memory is a pretty similar. It's funny because even though you're a little bit younger than me, this band was formed like a decade before I was born and they broke up pretty much as I was born. Yeah. And they broke up before you were born. Well, before.

Yeah, and they broke up before you were born well before So um so it is it's funny that they I mean There's probably listeners who are listening from outside of Australia who might not be as familiar with them But yeah in Australia they can't it's just it's in there. It's in your DNA if you grow up Australian You'll you'll love that you'll you might not necessarily love them, but you'll definitely know them. You'll have an opinion on them regardless. Yeah. If you go to any sort of celebration, there will be some of their classic songs playing there. At least two, surely. But yeah, I think personally, my old man came home at some point. I think he bought the 9991

Greater sits they released called chisel which had just the cover was just like a close-up photo of gold and the word chisel on it And that was that was an album that was just played over and over at our house. Yeah, it was a good one. I really only know But you know the hits right until relatively recently. I at kind of a as a big hits fan of chisel But so that's been really fun to be a delving deeper into the back catalog. Yeah, it was at the same with you Now not so much. I was a bit more um, we'd spend a lot of time listening to good old triple M Um, and you know, called chisels probably one of the biggest featured bands Yeah, which is why I'm probably a lot of people are sick of hearing them. Trouble M being the national rock station of Australia. For lack of a better word, you'd call it like the Australian.

Australian. For lack of a better word. Proper Australian was the best word. True blue, bloody ripper, dead income. A true blend. I looked up at one point, because you know, there's a classic Australian song called True Blue, and it's a song about all about things that are real Australian.

True blue, is it me and you? Is it mum and dad? Is it a cock or two? But I looked it up. The origin of the phrase True Blue is English. Isn't that the most about origins? I think it's so funny that we're like, yeah, True Blue Australian. Even the term is not Australian.

That sounds better, right. And yeah, he re-recorded that song because John Williamson, John Williams, one of them does Star Wars, one of them does Australia, no. John Will, John, Johnny W. Yeah, oh, oh, my, J. Dubs. J. Dubs. He re-recorded it because in the original version, it mentioned Vegemite, and then he found out that Vegemite was known by Australians. So he re-recorded it without Vegemite. Haven't they just been bought back by? They have. So he's going to have to re-re-record it without Vegemite. Haven't they just been bought back by? They have, so he's gonna have to re-re-record it. Re-re-record it.

Re-re-record it. Re-re-re. Yeah. Anyway, not, I don't know if we'll ever do J. Dubbs in his back catalog. I imagine it's pretty vast. We can, yeah. We could probably just dissect that entire song

and just go. He's got his hip-flock, True Blue. Yeah, and the list goes on. And followed up by re-recording of True Blue. But he also, I mean, I think he does have a lot of albums, but one of them, I think, is, doesn't have another song or is it the same song whereas give me a home among the gum trees

with lots of plum trees. Is it not, Maybe it is. I don't know. Or is it? That's not the same song, that was it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no we had the greatest hits and I, I mean, it's just, it's packed out with hit songs. So it's interesting to me as I went through the back catalog to um, place where these songs came in it. Yeah. Like they're, they're probably their most iconic song in some called like an unofficial

Australian anthem. Case on. Mm-hmm. Or Case-An. Case-An, I believe. Uh, is, is on, on it's there off their very first out track to the first out which we'll be talking about next week so we don't really need to jump ahead into the albums I suppose now but it is it is

interesting to have found that you know after the fact that they've also reformed our hey here's some news I just bought a ticket to see them live next year for the first time yes I just bought a ticket to see them live next year for the first time. Yeah. I just got in the pre-sale like an hour ago. Amazing. Oh, it's gonna be a rip-up.

It's real synergy. So I'm looking forward to seeing them live and then we can buddy talk about that on the show as well. Supported by another Australian legend Paul Kelly. Yeah, Paul Kelly. So that's gonna be sick. So they're kind of a pub rock band. Mm-hmm.

And I think it's maybe important in this first episode to talk a bit about them. Like, I should also say, for those who don't know, which would be most people listening, you're my cousin. So Chisel has sort of been growing up, family events, every single one would have chisels. And for some reason, in the last 10 or so years, that has all sort of come together in one song

and that is by River. Live version, preferably. Yeah, live version, yeah, the one of Barking Spires of Fanfits. That is a bunch of different versions of it, but that is the banger. And that is also where we got the name of the show, the first line of that song is Listen Now. Listen Now. Which I only recently found out, because I used to think it was, listen out to the women,

listen out to the men, but it's not that at all. Classic Marcy. Listen Now. To the wind babe. Listen out to the rain. I got the listen part, right? Oh. Half of it.

Other people. So I wonder if some American listeners or people from overseas, if they don't know, Jimmy Barnes is the front man of the band. Ian Moss is sort of an almost like the co-front man slash guitarist. He sings a chunk of the songs. Yeah, especially when Jimmy was having temporary hiatus. Yeah, hiatus for plural. Front man. But Jimmy Barnes, for those who don't know him,

maybe you would have known him from a couple of years ago, he became a bit of an internet meme when he sang a little cameo part on a Kirin J. Callanan song. I don't know if I don't know if sing. Oh, I will I'll play a little we'll listen now. Yeah, listen now. Here it is. It just keeps going. It's pretty good. And the film clip is so fun as well because it's like Jimmy Barnes with a big cowboy hat superimposed over mountain ranges.

It's like it's the Australian version of Beyoncé singing on top. You know she just keeps going, baby it's you and it just keeps going. Jimmy Barnes is our Beyonce. Well, I'm a very peter, though, thing. Someone just cut his sections in together and a one big part. It was real fun. So I'm proud of you were telling me,

I didn't realize this, but it got taken the piss out of on some of my talk shows. It was huge, memory made out of it. Everyone's like, who is this random old bloke? Kind of like when Kanye and what's his name, Paul McCartney did a of it. Everyone's like, who is this random old bloke? Kind of like when Kanye and what's his name, Paul McCartney did a song and everyone's like, wow, Kanye, thanks for giving this old guy a shot.

Surely a lot of that was ironic. And truly Jimmy Fallon was also being our... Obviously he knows Jimmy Barnes. Always I, Barnesy. Barnesy. You know Barnesy? You know, who doesn't know Barnesy? Who doesn't know Barnesy?

If you don't know Barnesy, know bansy. Who doesn't know bansy? If you don't know bansy, this is bansy. That's just insane, hey. Oh, bansy, you're in. Bansy, get it. Hey, bansy, what's up? I'm just trying to do one second. So good. I love bansy.

So good. And he's an icon in every sense of the word. Like, he's now like an older statesman of Australian rock. And he talks, people listen. He's had huge bestselling books, spios in the last couple of years, split up into his childhood and adulthood. And you read those?

Basically, yeah, we're pretty much the first one is a journey of, I think it's like subtitled a journey of running out of time. Oh no, a journey of running away. And then it finishes right as he essentially jumps on the van to join the band. Wow, you're good. And then the start of the second one, which I think is a journey of running out of time,

it's from the band onwards. And it is just an absolute hellfire ride like from day dot right to the end of it and I cried like 89 times during that. I mean, that's pretty, that's a pretty weak penny. Very specifically. Read. Every 13th page won tier approximately. You know, there's a lot of blood sweat and tears when bouncy sort of his life story I

imagine. A lot of sweat, Mr. It's famously sort of played his shows drinking Swinging straight vodka. Straight vodka, yeah. And you watch the clips, you're like, Jesus Christly. In your younger days when you know partying, even a no one does straight shots of vodka,

it's mixed with cranberry, like real adult. Come on. Sugarcoat, that shit. It's mixed with cranberry, like real adult. Come on. Sugar coat that shit. Get some sugar energy in there too. Make yourself feel worse tomorrow. That's party, yeah. Sugar high, sugar low. Oh, yeah, the magic of early 20s. I was gonna say teenagehood, but no, it was much later than.

Yeah, you're old enough to know better. Yeah. 12 will give you a punch. All right, you're swinging vodka cranberry from the bottle, but you are 12. So just one, maybe two. Okay, but now that you're 16, you should know better. Yeah, get onto the UDL's like a real adult. How old are you?

Is that a personal question? You never ask a lady that. I am offended. Sorry. I am 29. 29, past it. Yeah, now I like a nice charras in the winter. With frambri.

With a garnish. Yeah. And a savvy bee in summer, because we're all class. Do you still hit up the pubs? I grew up going to pubs from childhood into my, right into my 20s. I still, I love pub culture still. Yeah. And that's kind of where Chisel were born out of.

Yeah. The pub rock scene. The pub rock aptly named. There may be even, would you call them the, they, the poster boys for pub rock? That, if I think pub rock, it is, yeah. Well, I, because I kind of, I was a shoe-doller there.

The pub rock is just Australia. But I was reading reading that there is there was an English pub rock saying that was did not last as long. That makes sense pubs are another thing we stolen from the English true blue dinky dog. Yeah, that's right. I mean even Jimmy Barnes is born in Scotland. Yeah, he's still a scholar. Scottish actor And then Les was Polish, isn't he? And someone else in the band was born in England, and I came to like... Steve Press, which was from Liverpool. Liverpool. Liverpool. Liverpool.

So, and that's something I love about this band, is, and I didn't realize this that much, sort of Don Walker's famously, the main songwriter is the key-border and lyricist. But majority of the members of the band and the the line-up did rotate a little bit over the years but they like I think maybe five of them wrote a hit song. Yeah, it's a while. It really like shared it across the board. Yeah. How do you manage to get so many talented people in one group? Love that. I think that's so cool. But anyway,

I found a few little articles to talk a little bit about pub rock. This is the opening paragraph about pub rock from Loudmag. Any of these articles I quote from will put in the description. No, it's if people want to read more on it. But this is from Loudmag. Let me see if I've got the author's name, Brian Giffin. And he writes, In the mid-70s, a musical and social phenomenon took hold of Australian youth. It latched on in the pubs across the cities and moved into the suburbs and country towns,

ebbing and flowing across two decades. Between late 1976 and until the early 90s, rock music informed almost every part of Australian musical culture. It dominated the sales charts, filled TV screens and radio airwaves, and the bands who made it filled the pubs across the land every night of the week. Pub Rock was, in the words of veteran Australian rock writer, Anthony O'Grady, a revolution in Australian popular music. It sounds like a real, like, proper way to say it was just like a real bloody good time.

It was big. Yeah. I just like you think of all like classic Aussie bands from basically the generation before our time and it was it was a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Pub. Yeah. Just sounds like it. The best way to describe it I think it just sounds like the best way to describe it, I think it just sounds like dirty, sweaty, small place, really loud, lots of beer, sticky floors. Like that is just the best way to describe it, I guess. Totally. It is what it is, what it sounds like. Yeah. What's pub rock?

If you go, what do you imagine if you hear pub rock? It's probably that. Yeah. And it, yeah, I do love music scenes that come out like formed by their their surroundings yeah sort of almost by necessity this is just what it had to be yeah and that that is what this kind of style is I found this website Wikipedia online and it's like a really good sort of information source is that a a new website? It's new to me. Amazing.

So, you know, I'm not saying I'm up today with everything, but as far as I know, Wikipedia is a brand new thing. And I think it maybe is going to bet to sweep the nation. Maybe even, I don't know if international listeners have it yet, but check it out. I might have called it early. Do we get royalties for... I wonder if Wikipedia might even... Can I copy right? Yeah. Is that how copyright works? You find something that someone else has made ago. Do we get do we get royalties for wonder if Wikipedia might even

Yeah, is that how copyright works you find something that someone else is made ago? Well, we'll have that Look I that's not claimed to be any sort of genius with laws, but I'm it from what I you know understand yeah Are you culturally appropriating Wikipedia? I? Don't understand that phrase quite obviously. Anyway, from Wikipedia, this is what it says about pub rock. It says pub rock or Australian pub rock is a style of Australian rock and roll popular throughout the 70s and 80s and still influencing contemporary Australian music in the 2000s decade. Beautifully phrase. The term came from the venues where most of these bands originally played. In a city in suburban pubs, these often noisy,

hot, small and crowded venues were not always ideal as music venues and favourable loud, simple songs based on drums and electric guitar riffs. That's a pretty good. Yeah, that's what I've been sort of reading about. This is what it sounds like. Basically pubs became, they started craving live music. And they, so all of a sudden, all these bands had places to play. Yeah.

And then, but the crowds didn't know. They weren't releasing music in the early days. So they created a sound that was, you know, anyone could dance to anyone could have fun with. And that's kind of where the sound came from a little bit. Yeah. And I think kind of something that I've only recently kind of considered is that probably the majority of the people at the pubs is the blue collars. And you would really relate pub rock to blue collar

work is a lot of the themes that run through that kind of music like Deliric send up Jimmy Barnes is he is one of his biggest sole is the singer of yeah coaches all yeah that's what we covered that I couldn't remember um that I couldn't remember. Um, Banzi. Banzi as he will be there now. I think he refers to himself as Banzi. Banzi, hello. Banzi's here.

He said, yeah, I reckon he would. I reckon if Banzi was here, he'd say, he'd say Banzi was here. He'd also probably say, Oh, Banzi, hey Banzi. Get it. Hey, how's it going? That's his three kilometer warning though. Yeah, Barnesy's on his way.

He's climbing up over that mountain ridge over there and then off from off Yonda. Instead of the kui, the traditional Australian call out as a ha ha ha. Echo. Yeah. Ah. It's getting close. So yeah, so the sound came out of the venues. And also they were sort of the sound systems weren't that great.

So they had to, they couldn't write intricate simple songs. Well, they were simple songs, but they had to be big and bold. Yeah, essentially, if you're going to play some like beautifully mechanical technically perfect guitar solo, the speakers are probably blown up halfway anyway. So all they can hear is it's like, so just three simple chords, four simple chords, totally need drums, drums and guitars. So Wikipedia, which is the website or something like that. The new website, yeah. It goes on to say, the Australian version of pub rock incorporates hard rock, blues rock, and or progressive rock.

And then. In the encyclopedia of Australian rock and pop from 1999, Australian musicologist En Macphal and described how in the early 1970s, Billy Thorpe and the Aztecs, as well as Black feather and Buffalo Pioneer Australia's pub rock movement. So I guess that's like proto pub rock almost. They're the godfathers of pub rock in Australia.

Billy Thorpe and the Aztecs in particular still, his legacy is still big, he's seen as one of the most important Australian. Black Fether and Buffalo, I'm not as familiar with. As in I've never heard of them but which makes me curious I love to Have a look into them Continuing on the article the emergence of the Australian version of the pub rock genre and the related pub circuit was the result of several

Interconnected factors from the 50s and to the 70s, mainly because of the restrictive state liquor licensing laws. Only a small proportion of live pop and rock and roll music in Australia was performed on licensed premises instead of in... Private clubs or discontexts? Disco texts, yes. The majority of concerts were held in non-license venues, like community church or municipal halls. That was a different time back then.

Can you just imagine cold chisel in their vodka swinging heyday at a church hall? Yeah. After the show, we're selling cupcakes. Yeah. Fun down next act, please. Yeah. And also our next vodka. Yeah, it's swirling

instead of L-Grey T from a bottle. Just some holy water. Yeah. During the 60s, however, Australian states began liberalizing their licensing laws. Sunday observance acts were repealed, so they used to be like your church ruled. So I mean, your church rules, man. Yeah, you couldn't, like Australia shut down on some days apparently. Yeah, it was a lot of content. I still like that. Sans Church. It's the day to observe Jesus. Jesus. It's the holy day. It's the Sabbath. But they started repealing those in the 60s, pub opening hours, we're extended. I wonder if this was around the time of the six o'clock swill, which is like a little period

in a Australian time where pubs close just after six or at six, so all the businessmen or all the working men would flock into the pubs, women weren't allowed in, and they just chug down a bunch of beers in a row and then get kicked out on the streets and. So essentially new South Wales now. Yeah, just like, yeah, I think they might have even looked at repealers.

They have. Yeah, I think they're opening them back, opening Sydney back up for business. So essentially what you're saying is that they had happy hour without the happiness. Yeah, it was, yeah it was the hour of power. Yeah. And like everyone's stressing out like quick, we better scowl these fears. Sure.

You know, it's for the safety of everyone. Yeah. Make everyone drink real fast. And then put them back out on the street. Put them out on the street. All the same time. When they can figure out their differences. Yeah.

Like gentleman. Yeah. So, so they were starting to repeal a lot of these old laws. And then also in the 70s, they dropped the legal age from 21 to 18. And concurrently at this time, members of the baby boomer generation who back then were like, you know, it's funny to think they were the kids. That's how time works, Matt. I'm like, wait, baby boomers for a young one. Baby boomers are 60 plus only ever.

Yeah, I'm confused. So they were the main audience for pop and rock music and they were hitting their late teens early 20s. And also now able to hit the pubs. So pub owners soon realized that providing live music which was often free would draw young people to the pubs in large numbers and regular rock performances soon became a fixture at many pubs. Many city and suburban pubs gained renown for their support of live music and many prominent Australian band including AC DC Most will know cold chisel the angels and the dingos

Developed their style at these venues in the early days of their careers In Macfarlane the musicologist described how AC DC took the raw energy of Aussie pub rock and extended its basic guidelines serving enough to a teeny-bop countdown audience and also still reap the benefits of the live circuit by packing out the pubs. That's an interesting idea that ACD said that the catchy teeny-bop album in there, which I never really considered, did you know much about cold chisels, weird relationship with countdown? considered. Did you know much about Colchizzle's weird relationship with Countdown? So Countdown was like a, it's still saying it's kind of a legendary music TV show. Yeah, on the national, you know,

not national broadcasts, right, we see. And it was I think it was on Sunday nights. I think so. And they'd count down the big songs for the weekend. They'd also have I think so. And they'd count down the big songs for the weekend. They'd also have live and inverted commas performances. They're all mined. And Chisel were never really asked on. And then mid-career, they'll have a lot of success. They'll be the biggest band in Australia.

And they were invited on. And they're like, we don't want to come and wear a live pub rock band. We don't want to come and mined to our songs would be really pissed. I have heard this, yes. And then they ended up coming on for the countdown awards, ceremony where they won a lot of the awards. And they, in classic, much-o-ish sort of a rock and roll style, they trashed. They played their song, added extra lyrics into the song, which was sort of a poking fun of countdown. And then smashed up the amps and drum kit and everything.

There's a bit of a stick it up here. Yeah, guess so. Which is like, I think younger me would have been like, yeah, cop that dickhead. But I'm like, oh, you, so you're upset because they didn't put you on the show when you weren't a big band. And then they had you on, that's just how that show worked. It was about the big bands, but it was also about breaking bands, I don't know.

It would be like, hey, you now that we're popular, you think you're gonna break us, we've been broke and we didn't need you. So I can sort of... I already put it anyway. I guess, I can see both sides of that. Me as a uni student, I'm like, oh, that girl would have been so expensive.

Yeah. Yeah, I was like, wait. So much money wasted. Is that, do we have to pay for all of that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and then, so he also, McFarlane says that he found that Colchisel fused a combination

of rockabilly, hard rock, and rough house, soul and blues that was defiantly Australian in outlook. Rough house is very apt, I think. Other important bands that came out of the pub rock scene, maybe some of these are arguable, but include in excess midnight oil and roast tattoo. They're all very different bands from each other. Yeah, I'm trying to think who else we'd put in there. We've got like, who do gurus?

Yeah, midnight oil is always, Australian crawl. The vinyl's usually get mentioned. Baby animals usually get a call in screaming jets, noise works. Skyhooks was more 70s. So Skyhooks was a bit earlier, though, I think. I'd sort of kicked off, I think caught into this article. I reckon it really kicked off in 76.

So, oh, okay, so that's pretty timely for them. Choir boys who had one. Ronda Paradise. One song in the day. Remember? Also. It was a banger, though. The, yeah, where would these bands have played before that?

That's what I was thinking the same thing. Like, what? The Church, or something. I don't think Skyhooks were ever gonna, played before that. That's what I was thinking the same thing. Like what? The church rules and stuff. I don't think Skyhooks were ever going to, it must have been to do with the pub scene. I think it's almost like that. If you're an Aussie band in that time, you probably came out of that scene. Yeah.

I'm just trying to think, I remember someone saying they saw someone of the baby boomer generation saying that they saw Eric and it was like ACD, like Marabin Town Hall or something back in the day. My old man saw them in the bonds got era at Monash Union in just in the common area. Wow, that would have been, oh, you can imagine that. I went to Monash and I think the biggest, I'm trying to think who the biggest band we would have had. I feel like it might have been 28 days or something like that, you know, it's fun rip it up rip it up Yeah, so I don't feel I love 28 days, but it does They'll feel like a fair trade. We had the Androids

Do it with Madonna do it with Madonna at my all-girls Catholic high school Madonna being men's the mother of Jesus. Yeah. Well, it worked Catholic school, so. You're right. That makes sense. I think the nuns would have been like, oh, do it. Yeah, pray with Madonna.

Do it with Madonna. Pray with Mother Mary. We actually did have a nun as our principal at the time too. That's great. That's so good. I found it cool. We should probably turn our attention a bit more to Chiseling particular. Being there being the topic of discussion. I found a cool little bio article on

the ABCs website, ABC.net.au. And via their rage, are you a rage fan? So rage is a bit of an Australian music icon as well institution Friday and Saturday nights overnight, they just play music clips on the Saturday night they'll have guests. No, I never watched it. And I remember being like, you know, 10, 11, 12 or whatever and watching, I'm embarrassed to say a video hits on a Saturday morning before swimming lessons, and you'd have to wait for rage to finish, and I'd be like, what's this alternative stuff? Except at the time I did not know what alternative was.

I'm like, this is not a good song. Put some handson on, get me some mumbup from a day. That's great. I used to get home after going out. I mean, probably still do occasionally and flick it on the ABC and watch for while there used to be a trap I'd get in. After a big issue, I'd get home in the middle of the night and I'd be like, all right, our next bad song. All the vice versa. Next, all right, one, I just want to see one, one banger, that I'm going to sleep.

And then you just end up watching for hours and hours. Is this going to make me sound old? I used to get home and watch Rage on my black and white TV. Yeah. And so sometimes I'm like, yeah, we look at similar the same age and then I'm like, oh no, you're That is that is pretty wild because um, how old are you? What's the age difference? I'm 35 Well, I'm 35. I do another podcast called do go on and my co-host of 29 on that as well So I I'm very familiar with this old man sort of dynamic. Yeah, that's six years

But the Significant apparently the black away. I don't know why I had, I think it was my old, it would have been older when my dad had it. But it just, it was like our second TV, I ended up having it in my bedroom. Was it one of those giant box ones that weighed three tons? It was tiny.

I remember when, I'm like, I'll keep this forever. It's a, there was something kind of romantic about it somehow. But I remember my dad eventually was like, you gotta let it go, man. I don't want it, it's cool. He's like, you just gotta, and he took it to the bin. And I remember, the bin was kind of full

and he just dropped it at the top and it just mushed all the rubbish down in the big green bin. The green bin? Yeah, the rubbish bin. Oh yeah, the no big green. In Marabin, though, a green. I don't know what they're like on the other side of Santa Road where you grew up.

And East Bentley. We were the Povea version. You're in Bentley all the East Bentley. Really? Yeah, East Bentley was Povetown, apparently. That's interesting. This time I go back now, Dad still lives there,

and I'm like, oh, he's been at least kind of real life. I could save for two lifetimes in my house there now. Yep. It's brutal. It's very expensive. It's brutal, hey baby boomers.

Yeah. These kids, these baby boomer kids are starting out of pubs, and also, probably buying houses for tin-tail. Yeah. Cross. Anyway, so I found this article on the ABC slash rage website, And also, Hollywood Island. But in houses for tin tape. Yeah. Christ. Anyway, so I found this article on the ABC slash rage website.

And I think it was really good at, um, taught me a fair bit about it that I didn't know. So I'll read out people, let's go through this. Um, so cold chisels origin stem back to Adelaide in 1973. So I didn't, I don't, I kind of always think of them as a Sydney band, but I did have a vague knowledge that they had an Adelaide origin. And that is where they all met. I didn't know this, so they're originally named Orange. Well, I read Jimmy Barnes' autobiography. So these are facts that I learned in the last 18 months. You're going to have a whole head already. So the band started out as a heavy metal cover band, consisting of bassist Les Catch Merrick,

keyboardist Don Walker, guitarist Ian Moss, and drummer Steve Presswich. It was not until around the end of 1973 that the 17-year-old Jimmy Barnes joined the group's vocalist. 17. Also, if we have any Polish listeners that want to correct us on how to pronounce Liz's surname, that would be wonderful. That would be greatly appreciated.

Also, if you're not familiar with Jimmy Barnes' vocal style, it goes a little something like this. I'm not going to lie, the more I listen listen to it the more I like it. I like it the banger. We probably should play some actual cool chisel and some of what's so people know what they sound like. Maybe, um, yes, I'll find a, I'll find that, um, the bow river that we love, um, to play a little bit in a, in a minute, um, from the bloody barking spiders.

But let me go on with this by. So Jimmy Barnes joins us, he joins us 17 year old, I didn't know that. The group changes names several times before settling on cold chisels. Do you remember any of the other names? I don't list any here. Orange is the most memorable of them.

Orange. They set her on cold chisel, which was the name of one of their songs. During this time, Barnes had a volatile relationship with the rest of the band, and he left the group several times. Most notably, to replace Bond Scott in the group for eternity in 1975. So Bond Scott left for eternity to join AC D.C. A little, little known band. Not sure if people have heard of it. There was a room of and it probably still floats around that Jimmy Barnes almost fronted AC DC but I've heard Jimmy Barnes and interviewed the bunk that. But yeah that's probably what has been confused there.

Oh yeah Sam show me some great so that Jimmy got, they used to wear face makeup, just for a very brief period. So was it a metal band? Yeah, was that, was kiss wearing... Kiss must have means, yeah, 70s as well. So I wonder if that was in spot, because they were trying to, by the looks of it, they were trying to dress a little bit glam rock

and then they were kind of like, nah, this is bullshit. And then went proper strayer. So when Barnes would leave the group, Mossy took over on Vocal Joodies. And Mossy on the other hand has, well, maybe that's a good opportunity to play some of this Borever.

So Mossy probably, I feel like things maybe about a quarter or a third of Chess of Sons. Yeah, Eric and that's fair. And this is, let's play a little bit of the start of Borever. It's a a little bit of the start of Bo River. Um, is it a lot smoother? Our favorite version of it. It's from the 1973, 1983, barking spot as well. It was 77, but my memory is. But he's just like, very, so Barnes, he's sort of, I've heard him described as like honey and gravel.

Yeah, that's sort of two times there, but mossy is just all honey. Just honey. And that's also his guitar sound as well. Um, let's see, he gets in there. Okay, Tonya about it. The group consolidated their line up in 1975 with Cash Merrick leaving the group and being replaced by Phil Small. Barnes' older brother John Swan was also a member of the group this time. Don't a bit of backup vocals on percussion.

Here we go, it's mossy. Listen now. I feel like what I'm making up my feet again. And I don't want to see this town no more. Bit of bouncing the back down there. There's so many. I get that way to hear that every time. I can ball river. Sorry everybody. I always hear that every time. Sorry everybody. He can't sing along till it's just so good.

On the album version he doesn't take his time like he does here. It's making someone better. And you can hear the crowd getting wrong footed by it. Yeah, just joking. And that little echo sound on the guitar? Fuck, it's so good. Anyway, just... Um, so...

So yeah, Barnes and Zelda, brother, John Swan. So, one was Barnes and Burt's name. I think it's his dad's name. It was his birth father's name. And his parents had a very volatile relationship. And his mum... I think she only remarried once, but she was with a few other people throughout his childhood. But this one bloke, Reg Barnes,

was like essentially the angel sent from heaven. And he talks quite a lot about it in his book in Working Class, boy, I think it is the first half. Yeah. And he kind of talks about how this guy basically has sent from heaven. He kind of got his mom straightened out a bit. And he was just like the right person at the right time.

Like, you know, Jimmy is a young bloke. Was it starting to go a bit wild? And Red was just trying to like guide him into the right path. And he credits a lot of his good quality is to red and decided to change his name to Bounce in memory of. That's great. So is older brother, obviously, John Swan already locked in on that name.

I think he sort of, he performs another name, Swany, I think. Swany, yeah, that known as Swany. But also if you got a rhyming name like that, sure, he's not gonna change it. John Swan, yeah, that sounds like a made up name. But he, so he was only in the band briefly because there were several violent incidents and he was

kicked out of the group. The violent incidents is something that runs through the sworn family name. I think that dad was a boxer back in the day and all of them are fighters. We're talking about fists. Yeah, Scotland. The band members have diverse backgrounds, with only Phil Small actually born in Adelaide. So they all met in Adelaide, but Barnes was born in Scotland, Prestwich in Liverpool, UK, Moss in the Northern Territory. Alice, yeah. And, uh, I was just saying, Tex Walker. Don Walker. Originally from Queensland.

I thought he was born in rural New South Wales. He might have moved around a bit, but apparently, originally from Queensland. Don't make me doubt myself. This is from Wikipedia. I feel like it's super reliable. This is from the ABC. Oh, surely. Yeah. If anyone's going to know, it would be our ABC. the ABC. Oh, surely. Yeah.

If anyone's going to know, it would be our ABC. Our ABC. Just confirming on Wikipedia, what it says, he was born in Queensland as well. So that's good enough for me. I'll take that back. It's the big two, ABC and Wikipedia, I say. You can't doubt that.

No. In May of 1976, Colchisel relocated to Melbourne, but found little success and moved to Sydney in November. So yeah, that's interesting. They could have been a Melbourne band. I imagine I would have been a very, ended up in a very different band if they can. Yeah.

Just because, you know, so many of their lyrics of their big songs are painting Sydney pictures. Yeah. So about Sydney pubs and different events from Sydney. Yeah, it'd be interesting to look at what the pub culture was like between the two cities back then. Yeah, I imagine similar, but just these slight differences make. Yeah.

Because also it's interesting, it's like they struggled in Melbourne and then went up to New South Wales and had a lot of success. Although I have been listening to a bunch of interviews with Jimmy Barnes recently and he talked about how they didn't get a lot of love in Sydney. It was actually touring up and down the east coast. In the regional areas like Newcastle. Newcastle, yeah, gets mentioned a lot actually. And the more of the working class town, so Newcastles are big steel work city and they, one of their big early live songs. I was called shipping steel and that surely that is a direct Yeah, I've never never thought about that But I will look into it for when that album comes up, which is yeah, we'll be the next app

During this time the band still mostly performed covers for gigs But in the background Walker was developing his talents as a songwriter and creating original songs. So he's like if you think of Colchisel songwriting, you think of Don Walker, even though they all chipped in with their own songs as well. But he, on any given album, he would have written the bulk of them. I think on the first album, maybe even all of them. All, and then Jimmy Barnes co-wrote the first song, Juliette, but everything else was done

walk out. Right. Because it banged. Yes. Anyway, we'll talk about the next episode. Yeah. We'll get into it. We'll see. Getting excited. So his material was all based around the concerns of the hardworking student underclass. And I think I've heard him mention that it was just, you know, they were writing for the audiences they were performing to as well as the, he'd write a lot of his songs about people he'd met, you know. Yeah, because I think, like, he sounds about a couple of more than he knew. Yeah, so he came back suffering PTSD prior to PTSD being a acknowledge and I heard him say in an interview he goes if he knew that it was going to become a you know an Australian anthem he probably

would have written it a bit differently. I'm not sure exactly what he means by that maybe like if maybe it was maybe feel like he opened told too much of a story of these guys or I'm not sure how we how we met that. The songs hit a nerve and the band quickly developed a solid and loyal fanbase six months later in May 1977. Barnes announced he was quitting Colchisel in order to join his brother Swan in the band Fether. Oh, that's interesting because I believe, when I was reading about the band Feather, you know how just before I mentioned Black Feather,

that's they morphed into Feather. Oh. But they changed their name because they had no original members anymore. I don't know if that was like a thing back then, it was like the small faces in England became the faces. I think it's like a bands would just tweak their name due to... Yeah, kind of keep the somewhat of a fanbase and just be like,

oh, we've just... We're different now. Now we've got Rod Stewart or whatever that thing was. So, yeah, so that's interesting that one of the key bands at the birth of pub rock, his brother Swan ended up being a member of. And then, and also Jimmy Barnes was too. And I think if that was the band I was, I think if that's the band that I heard him talk about, he mentioned that they were doing great. One of the bands he left, she's a foot for a bit. Probably we're doing real great for six months,

building up a huge audience and getting some good reviews. And I heard Jimmy van say something like they one reviewer called him like deep purple and methadone or something like that. And he goes, we like that. We kept that. But then he said they took a break for a couple of weeks that ended up just being an ongoing break. And then he goes, oh shit, Colchisel, he's doing real well. He went down and he saw him play with Mossy fronting them and it apparently goes to him after the guy's like, hey, any chance I can get back in.

And he goes, they sort of upped an arfer a bit and I think it was just to get at me. But they eventually said yes. And he said, from then on, they really buckled down and took it very seriously. I just, I'll just say out of curiosity, a farewell performance took place in Sydney that went so well, the singer changes mind and following the following month, culture that was signed to the Warner Music Group. And from that came the self-titled debut album, which we will get onto in the next episode.

It's an interesting story, because I mean, just a bit of a spoiler alert, but they end up breaking up. How many times? Yeah, for good, they broke up really after what five studio albums or something like that. And then quite a long hiatus, and then they've had the reform and release an album every now and they've done three since then. But they just an explosive little time, and it's a real arc. So I'm looking forward to going through this story on this podcast.

So they sort of they climb up and then things happen and obviously it all falls apart in the air. I found it to be a very interesting story. I'm looking forward to going through it, talking about it a bit as we go. Yeah. There's anything else we want to cover off in this first episode. I guess for listeners, in this first episode, I guess, for listeners, if we'd love to hear from you if you've big chisel fans or if you don't know anything about them and maybe you're being inspired to give them a listen now. Maybe that's a fun way to do it. It's like a book club, it's an album club, just give the self-titled album a listen over the next week and a bit before we can all talk about it together

but if you want to get in contact with us we've got an email address which is listen now pod at jmail.com and we'll be listening now pod on twitter, facebook and instagram as well if you want to get in contact any sort of thoughts I'd love to hear from people who maybe aren't from Australia and are just hearing it for the first time what they think about them and but also I'd love to hear from people who maybe aren't from Australia and are just hearing for the first time what they think about them. But also, I'd love to hear from long-time fans what they reckon as well. I'd like to hear from people who aren't from Australia who have heard of them as well. Oh, yeah, that's because they did tour Europe and America.

They tried real hard to crack your own. And they had small successes in those places, but also just things different worlds, different worlds and slash Jimmy Barnes. Yeah, yeah, a bit volatile, possibly hurt him a little bit as well. But yes, thanks so much for joining us anything else you want to say Sam before we piss off. Just give a listen to Bo Riv, our live version, barkinging Spiders. Let us know what you think. Let us know how it makes you feel.

Yeah, deep down. Maybe listen to the album version as well. Oh yeah. And see what you reckon. But we might even do a full episode on the Barking Spiders live album at some point. Yeah. Because they have a few iconic live albums, which we might feature as well. But yeah, let us know what you wanna hear.

Maybe if you've got ideas for bands that we could look at in the future as well, I think maybe as we come in towards the end of this season, we might put up a few other options and see, and let the bloody listeners have this. So yeah, I've been hogging this bloody mock, Sam. You told for a bit. You told for a bit.

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