Dodgers Territory - Prospects, Non-Tenders, and Rumors, Oh My!

Episode Date: November 20, 2025

Alanna Rizzo and Clint Pasillas dive into the latest news and hot stove rumors involving the Los Angeles Dodgers! The Boys in Blue missed out on a reported free agent target (1:25). What does it mean ...for their offseason plan moving forward? The hosts discuss.  Cody Bellinger and the Dodgers are said to be interested in a reunion this winter (9:00). Are the Dodgers actually in? The MLB non-tender deadline is coming up on Friday and MLB Trade Rumors lists three Dodgers potentially on the chopping block, including reliever Anthony Banda (14:25). Alanna and Clint discuss the likelihood of any shocking moves.Baseball America senior editor, Josh Norris, joins the show to talk all things Dodgers prospects and BA's latest top-10 prospects list for LA (20:51).Go to MeUndies.com/foul and enter promo code foul for up to 50% off!  Check out DT merch at dodgersterritoryshop.comSupport Guidry's Guardian at guidrysguardian.orgFind Clint on YouTube at youtube.com/@alldodgersSubscribe to Dodgers Territory on YouTubeRate and review our podcast on Apple and SpotifySee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:04 That is Clint Pesias. Clint, how are you doing? I am good. You know, it's been rainy over here. in my neck of the woods. And of course, people don't know how to drive. People don't know how to live. But it still doesn't take away the fact that, you know, we had the basking in the glow of the Dodgers being two-time World Series champs.
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Starting point is 00:02:38 Of course, on YouTube, anywhere that you get your podcast. We are always appreciative of the support. Happy that you guys are here. By the way, Baseball America Senior Editor, Josh Norris is going to be joining us today. But first, speaking of the rumor mill, Clint Paseas, let's get to the big ticket. Let's do it.
Starting point is 00:02:58 We bring up some non-Dodger news, Clint, because it is somewhat related to the Dodgers, right? We were talking on Monday about the potential closer market and whether or not Devin Williams or somebody else would make sense to kind of shore up the back end of the Dodgers bullpen. Well, I can tell you, sir, it's not going to be Raisal Iglesias, because he has gone back to the Atlanta Braves. He could have very well been traded at the deadline by the Braves, but he wasn't. And now they've assigned him to a new deal.
Starting point is 00:03:30 So what does that mean for the daughters? What does that have to do with us? Yeah. So where this is intriguing here is that we did learn here, Francis Romero, who covers the baseball and the rumors on the social media machine. pointed out, the Dodgers actually reportedly had an offer out there. Iglesias does ultimately re-signed with Atlanta for, I think, with $16.5 million or something like that. But to me, this tells us Dodgers are serious in their intentions.
Starting point is 00:03:58 They are looking to add some back end of the bullpen, high leverage relief arm, whatever it may be. We know they are interested in Devin Williams. We know they apparently are interested in this guy, Iglesias to maybe be some sort of Kirby Yates, what Kirby Yates couldn't be for the Dodgers in 2025. We do know the Dodgers right now, they have a pretty good bullpen by the time you get to August, by the time you get to September. They need some help early in the season. They need help across the course of the season.
Starting point is 00:04:29 Somebody who can plug in at any point in a game and potentially, you know, pick up some saves for them. And that's something, of course, is more important for you. you want somebody who can at least lock it down in the ninth inning, which we know Iglesias has done over the course of his career. But I like knowing that they're operating at the top of the market again. I just don't want a revolving door anymore in terms of the back end of the bullpen. And I do think that Dave Roberts doesn't get enough credit for how he managed the bullpen this season. Obviously, in the offseason last year, Clint coming into this year,
Starting point is 00:05:05 Andrew Friedman, Dave Roberts, front office, ownership, did such a tremendous job building up the bullpen, right? Kirby Yates, Tanner Scott, all of these different guys were like, man, we're so stacked as far as bullpen arms are concerned. Well, it didn't work out that well. It didn't work out that way. Obviously, in the postseason, we lost Alex Vescia. We now know why. That's far bigger than baseball. That's exactly where he needed to be.
Starting point is 00:05:28 But I just, it was so nerve-wracking the whole, you know, revolving door, the carousel of who's going to come in. obviously Roki Sasaki stepped up massive in that role as a closer, if you will. But the plan is for him to be a starter, right? So you don't have Roki in the bullpen. Evan Phillips, what are we going to do with him? That's a conversation we're going to have later on in the show. Blake Trinen. He's not necessarily quite the same Blake Trinnan.
Starting point is 00:05:50 He was when he was massively productive in 2024. So whether it is now not right, Ys L. Iglesias, and really that's the only report I had heard about that in terms of perhaps he does go, you know, that he, the Dodgers did have an offer out for him. But whether it's a Devin Williams or what if it's an Edwin-Diaz. I mean, I don't know if the Dodgers are going to want to spend that type of money. But he's probably the best closer relief arm that's available right now on the market. But that is to be said that if this is in fact true and there was an offer on the table for Iglesias, you're right. the Dodgers are looking for maybe not a closer, but for a high leverage arm.
Starting point is 00:06:36 Yeah, and we know, again, we've talked already about Devin Williams. I think they will be pretty significantly interested in that market that we've heard other names as well, somebody like a Pete Fairbanks. You and I were talking a little bit about him in our pre-production call. Pete Fairbanks is one of those dudes who's long been linked to the Dodgers, somebody who has, and he has plus stuff. It seems like he would be better off pitching on the West Coast. he says he struggles with kind of the cold in the early part of the season there in the AL East.
Starting point is 00:07:06 You're not as certain about Fairbanks, though. Well, you know, I don't know. I mean, and you and I again, when we're in pre-production meetings, like, you know, you're the one doing, putting all the rundown together. I was out there kind of walking my dog. And I was like thinking, well, I don't know. You know, Pete Fairbanks. And I understand the tie-in because of the whole Andrew Friedman tie to the Tampa Bay raise.
Starting point is 00:07:26 And I was like, I'm not really sure if that makes the most sense. but then you brought it up, and I'm looking at it here right now on baseball reference. ERA last year, actually really good. I mean, it's south of three. It's a 283, 68 games that he finished, 27 saves, okay, in those 47 games. So those are decent numbers, right? He's been with Tampa Bay for the majority of his career. He was with Texas for like a cup of coffee.
Starting point is 00:07:52 You know, you say that he doesn't, or he says that he doesn't really like pitching in the cold early on in the season. That's fine. but he's going to have, I mean, the Dodgers travel. You know what I mean? So even if, even if, you know, the majority of his save opportunities or whatever are at home, he's going to have to pitch on the road. So you can't let the weather, I don't know, affect you that much, in my opinion, when you're a reliever. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:13 I don't know. I mean, I don't know that he's a closer guy, but I'm not, I wouldn't be mad if Pete Fairbanks was in the Dodgers, or Dodgers bullpen as a high leverage reliever, especially if you obviously have Alex Vessia back, which we do. what's going to happen with Evan Phillips? What's going to happen with Anthony Bonda? Tanner Scott as well. Tanner Scott.
Starting point is 00:08:34 But Tanner Scott's under contract. The other two, it could easily be non-tendered. So, I mean, I guess you could, I guess you could trade Tanner Scott, but no one's going to pick up the contract. Or you can just eat it. Yeah. In terms of all those names, what I do like about them is that, and assumedly, somebody like Pete Fairbanks as well, they're all people that are open to and willing to pitch in just about, role. The save numbers aren't important to them. I think that is a factor too and why Iglesias
Starting point is 00:09:03 probably would be less inclined to sign with the Dodgers is he does have a decent amount of, of career saves under his belt. Maybe that means something to him trying to get to like 300 saves in his career. I think he's not very far off. A name that we've kind of talked about a little bit here, this is the first offseason where I feel like a Kenley Jansen reunion would make sense, but he's also super close to 500 saves in his career. And I don't know that he would be the anointed de facto lion's share closer if he were to resign with the Dodgers. As for somebody at Pete Fairbanks, dude has 90 career saves right now. Clearly closing is not the most important thing to him.
Starting point is 00:09:42 I think he wants to be the next Tampa Ray like, you know, Snell and Glassnow before him to come. You couldn't beat him before. Come to L.A. and let's get that ring, baby. That's quite the path to follow, right? I mean, you saw what it did for Blake Snell. You saw what it did for Tyler Glass now. I mean, Dodgers, being a Dodger or L.A., we have talked about for the last couple of years, it's a destination now, right? Like, folks want to play in Los Angeles for a variety of reasons.
Starting point is 00:10:10 It's interesting, though. We've talked about this at length. We did it on foul territory. We did it on fair territory today with Ken Rosenthal. The closer market is rich, right? There's a lot of really good arms out there in the country. closer market. It's kind of like the shortstop market was a couple of years ago when there were a lot of really big names all in free agency. So it'll be interesting to see who, if anybody, the Dodgers land in
Starting point is 00:10:32 that. You're talking about Kenley Jansen in a possible reunion. What about Cody Bellinger in a possible reunion? We talked about this a little bit on Monday. But there is again, this is rumor season, guys, right? This is all speculative, of course. Rumor surfaced shortly after we were talking about it about a potential reunion with Belly bomb on Monday. This from Jeff Passon, the ultimate preview for the MLB off season, everything you need to know about the top free agents. Could Belly be back in LA, Clint Pesias? Yeah, you know, we've heard a couple of rumors. We heard a couple of links about it. Jeff Passon had mentioned, you know, there is interest from the Dodger side that think there's interest in both sides. We've heard Scott Borris say that he, you know, Belly would welcome a return to
Starting point is 00:11:15 LA, there's a lot of positive memories, a lot of positive vibes associated with it, less so. You know, you forget about 21 and 22 and the struggles there coming back from shoulder surgery and kind of just, you know, falling out of the good graces of the organization and sort of being disenchanted with both of each other. I think sometimes, you know, I like to believe, you know, you don't get back with an X or whatever, but sometimes a couple years apart can be a good thing. He's kind of turned himself back into. a very, very sturdy baseball player, whether or not the Dodgers would actually, you know, let's say get into some sort of bidding war for a Cody Bellinger. I don't think so.
Starting point is 00:11:56 It's going to come down to the years, not the money with Cody. And this is something, you know, they've pretty much, that's how the Dodgers operate. They won't go to your market. You come down to us. It makes sense in a lot of ways. Left field, right field, still can play probably a little bit of center field back in L.A. I would, would be surprised if it does happen, but I would not be shocked, what say you? I don't think it's going to be any situation in which you get into a bidding war for Cody Bellinger. I don't know that Cody's the player anymore where it would warrant a bidding war. I don't know. I think a lot of it depends on where Cody wants to play, obviously,
Starting point is 00:12:36 but I think it also depends on what makes the most sense. I love Cody's defense. I've always thought Cody was very good defensively, particularly in center field. So I don't know what that means. I think it kind of depends on what they do. I've said this before. I think Tay Oscar should move to left. I think that we need a bona fide center fielder. And then I don't know what that means for right field.
Starting point is 00:13:02 A lot of folks are saying, no, no Kyle Tucker. You don't want to spend that kind of money on Kyle Tucker. But maybe it's Stephen Kwan. You and I talked about that. Good bat to ball skills. Very good defensively. Maybe you leave Teo in right. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:13:16 Maybe you put Cody in right. Maybe you put Stephen in center. Maybe you put belly and left. I don't know. I just feel like the outfields all over the place. It really is. I mean, they're in a pretty interesting spot too. Like they don't need to make the Dodgers don't need to make a move.
Starting point is 00:13:34 And this is something that Brandon Goehm's, Dodgers, General Manager said at the GM meetings just, you know, a week or so ago. like they are not in a position where they are forced to make a move. If they went into next season with all of the bodies they have, maybe you do need to bring back at the bare minimum, one of Miguel Rojas or Kike Hernandez, but they still have Alex call around, who is a big league caliber outfielder.
Starting point is 00:13:58 They just added Ryan Ward to the 40-man roster, somebody we talked to on my All-Dodgers YouTube channel yesterday, check it out. What are you doing with Pahas? Well, Pahas is, as of now, uh, your, your,
Starting point is 00:14:11 your, your starting center fielder. But are you okay with that? It's not the best situation. I mean, he had a pretty good year. Um, he has some suspect routes.
Starting point is 00:14:24 I mean, maybe that's, maybe that's just, he got better over the course of the season. And I think that's something to really take into consideration when it comes to Andy Pahas, is that he keeps getting better year over year. Um,
Starting point is 00:14:35 he's only entering his, his third full season next year. Uh, and you hope that he can, continues to trend in the right direction, work on some stuff this winter as well. You know he'll be spending some time at Dodger Stadium with Dino Ebel and Chris Woodward and whoever else is hanging out there because Dodger Stadium is a 24-7, you know, it's the best gold's gym you can get for sure and the best version of a drive-line,
Starting point is 00:15:00 baseball facility and all that. It's a really good spot to be working out and hanging out with the boys and keep getting better. And I have a lot of faith in Antipas continuing to trend. in the right direction. Maybe he's not going to be that guy that, you know, hit over 300, close to 340 in the month of, I think it was May or June last year, but something where it's a little bit more even, it's a little bit more balanced, maybe mix a few walks in there. Definitely work on the base running, but he is, as of right now, he is your starting centerfielder. Well, I don't think they, they signed a center fielder.
Starting point is 00:15:32 El Shava Jones is screaming at me right now. Belinger cannot do center field. Look at his numbers from 2025, no on, no on belly. Pah has played a good CF. Exodus is saying this. He still had a good season. He'll get better at the plate. All right. So that's a vote for Paz.
Starting point is 00:15:53 Yeah. All right. All right. All right, people. I'm listening to you. I'm listening to you. So here is a deadline on the Major League Baseball calendar, Clint, that we need to talk about. Tomorrow, the 21st, is the non-tendend,
Starting point is 00:16:09 deadline for Major League Baseball. So per MLBTR trade rumors, the Dodgers have three non-tendered candidates. And ironically, they're all relievers. Right-handed pitcher Evan Phillips, Brock Stewart. So beef is on there. And then Anthony Bonda. Now on that, first of all, Evan Phillips on the list surprises me until you look at the projected money attached to him. So if there was anybody, Clint that perhaps would be non-tendered by the Dodgers. It would likely be Evan Phillips if they're looking to make some of the cash. What's your opinion on those three? Yeah, I mean, between those three, you know, Evan Phillips, it's just money.
Starting point is 00:16:51 And it's kind of a lottery ticket for if you're looking down the road. If E-Filly, if high-leverage honeybun is healthy when you get into August and September, if I'm the Dodgers understanding that I just print money, I manufacture, money. I am happy to spend the $6 million. Again, these are projected arbitration figures. You could find a situation as well where the Dodgers come to some sort of, you know, one plus
Starting point is 00:17:17 one agreement. They did it with Tony Gonsland when he was heading into Tommy John surgery. I mean, that's a lazy way of saying it. But they've done that in the past where some guys are injured and you find a way to do a one-year deal with an option. But still,
Starting point is 00:17:33 $6 million. That's a chump change for this team in knowing that you could have somebody who has been a closer for this team in the past. He has absolutely every bit of a leverage arm at the back end of a bullpen, and that is chump change. Going back to that list, a couple of names. Like Brock Stewart, I didn't really think about it until, I should say, I didn't agree with him being a non-tender candidate
Starting point is 00:17:56 until I started thinking about a little bit more just because he is coming off of surgery. He is also somebody who might maybe not be ready for opening day. They do need bodies that are ready for opening day. So he is a strong maybe. The Bonda one is obviously the toughest one that kind of, you know, tugs at people's heartstrings a little bit there. Oh, my God. The lovely ladies of L.A. are going to lose their mind.
Starting point is 00:18:22 Yeah. Anthony Bonda goes to another team. They love him, man. He's a chick magnet, if you will. Yeah. And, you know, he's solid. He is absolutely a solid piece in that bullpen. However, he does not have a.
Starting point is 00:18:36 options in 2026. He didn't in 25 either, but he doesn't have options. And they are, you know, this is an organization that loves to be able to have at least a little bit of, you know, team control. It's not the money so much. They have a bunch of lefties as well with, uh, with, you know, we mentioned Tanner Scott, Alex Vessia, uh, Ronan cop now being on the, uh, on the roster as well on the 40-man roster. So we find out tomorrow where they end up going with this, you know, with this decision, with the non-tender deadline, somebody who also could maybe, I mean, he wouldn't be tendered to contract because he's not arbitration eligible yet, but I mentioned a couple weeks ago.
Starting point is 00:19:20 You could find a way to make roster space by cutting Bobby Miller or whatever. But to this section of the show before we take a break and then eventually welcome in Josh here in a minute or two. with Bonda, the fact that this team needs roster space, I think that's the thing that works the most against them. That and the options is where you can see a tough move happen. And this is a, you know, you know, Riz, this is every bit of a business when it comes down to it.
Starting point is 00:19:49 Well, I mean, as a player, you don't necessarily want to have options because you don't want to keep getting bounced up and down, up and down. You don't want to have to ride that AAA to the big league level elevator. But at the same time, It's like it is a very sticky and scary situation when they might just be like, see ya. We're going to let you go and nontender you and see if another team picks them up.
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Starting point is 00:23:33 That's a heck of an intro. I tell you what. But Josh does a great job. Of course, covering all things prospects, the latest Dodgers top 10 prospects list just dropped a couple of days ago. And there are certainly a number of names that fans are familiar with that they're excited to either see come up and help this organization or maybe be traded and help this organization.
Starting point is 00:23:55 Before we dive into those guys, I wanted to, get your, you know, pick your brain a little bit about two names that were just added to the 40-man roster, you know, Rule 5 protection here. Ronan Cop, left-ended pitcher, and outfielder, Ryan Ward. What can you tell people about these two guys in particular and, yeah, how they could potentially help this organization moving forward in 26? Well, Ryan Ward is powerful, and he's done a really good job of cutting the strikes, sorry, the swing and miss and chase over the last couple years and that's really what led to with roster protection I think he's he's going to hit the ball hard he's going to hit the ball often i mean i will grant you it was the third try in
Starting point is 00:24:39 triple a so i was a little skeptical about him but it would have been a guy who might have gotten taken in the rule five draft just because power is in rare supply and by that same token a guy like ron cop you know he has two really good pitches in his slider and his fastball fastball up to 99 slider. If you can believe it, up to 94. And those two in combination allowed him to strike out a lot of guys. But he also walked a lot of guys. But I think there's a chance that if he had gotten onto the open market, he might have been taken. Josh, great to be with you. Thanks for being on the show today. We appreciate your time. The Dodgers are dealing with a bit of a 40-man roster crunch,
Starting point is 00:25:21 and as such, they weren't able to protect all Rule 5 eligible guys that they may have wanted to. Was there anybody that you were a little bit shocked to see them not protect? Shocked is probably the wrong word, but the guy that jumped out to me was Jose Rodriguez. He hits a lot of checkpoints when it comes to guys who might be selected. A little bit of a knee injury this year. but he's big. He's got an outlier delivery. He's up to seven feet of extension.
Starting point is 00:25:48 His fastball's up to 100 miles an hour. His slider got 50% miss. His changeup got 65% miss. Kind of a nugget I found while doing that was that, you know, of the five most missed changeups among guys who threw it 100 times in the minor leagues, three were at one-time Dodgers. That's Ryan Brown, still a Dodger. Sean Paul Ligian, who is created in the next.
Starting point is 00:26:13 Nationals and Rodriguez. That's between 65 and 70-something percent miss on all those changes. So they had some good change-up artists this year for sure. Yeah, they find a way to just kind of keep printing some of these dudes. It feels like, you know, Dodgers and guys who could throw a fastball really, really hard, maybe don't always know where it's going. And, you know, the next guy, you know, you mentioned Rodin Kopp earlier. I think he's somebody who can help this organization.
Starting point is 00:26:43 saw Jack Dreyer last year. I don't want to talk so much more about the pitcher side of it. I want to talk about where they are overstacked, you can argue, in the outfield. I think half of your top 10 list is outfielders right now. Who is the closest in your estimation of being a potential big league contributor now or sooner rather than, you know, later within of the other, you know, four names on that list? I would say probably DePaul. He had double A time and he has fewer warts in the profile. I think he's not going to have the most defensive value, but he's got the highest upside. He's a guy who can hit the ball very hard. He knows the strike zone. He's smart enough on the bases to get past, you know, middling speed at best to steal 30
Starting point is 00:27:31 bags this year. But every time we talk to someone, and I don't like to do comps, but it comes up so often, the name is Yardin Alvarez, also former Dodgers prospect. That's the kind of upside we're looking at here. Whether he fits in the outfield long term is an open secret or open question. He got better at it, but he's never going to be, you know, a gold glover or anything. Other than that, you know, the other guys don't have upper level time. You know, Quintero had, you know, got to high A this year was really good. Davalon obviously just starting his career. Hope did get to double A. My, my apology for misspeaking there. But I think of those two, the way I ranked him was DePaula over Hope.
Starting point is 00:28:11 because he's just more complete hitter, in my opinion. Josh Hosselwood DePaula is someone who was a lot of people excited for his future, big power, speed guy, maybe not as an outfielder. What can you tell us about him? And is that a move that can still happen to the big league level? Yeah, like him playing first base. Yeah, talking more about DePaula. That's something where we've heard kind of him being potentially a first baseman,
Starting point is 00:28:36 like them trying to move him to the first baseman. I know they're trying to be creative with him, or at least fans are trying to be creative. is that a movie you think that happened yeah i think it could that's a bat that you want to get in your lineup no matter what i mean it's not a one-one comp but they give a guy like ryan mount castle with the orioles where everybody knew coming up he was going to hit but nobody thought he was going to play shortstop but they found ways to get him in the in the lineup because his bat was just good enough that's kind of a thing i think you're going to see with depa he's going to move somewhere where they need wherever they need him they're going to find a way to get that bad in there
Starting point is 00:29:10 Obviously, he has to show some upper level success first. He'll have that little cameo toward the end of the year. But he's a guy, I think, will figure into their long-term plans and maybe as soon as some point this year. Jackson Ferris, Josh, took a bit of a step back in 2025. Is he still somebody that can make some noise? I think he needs to get, it sounds like from inside the org, he needs to get a little stronger so he can go deeper into games. and there was a little bit of command issues based on that delivery, a little excess movement in the back that kind of inhibits his ability to throw strikes in quality and quantity.
Starting point is 00:29:46 So he can get there. He's got the raw stuff, but there needs to be more development. And doing this system, I'll be honest, I haven't written the 11 to 30 yet, but I can tell you, just looking at it, it's not the most pitching deep system you've got right now. And some of that's because of trades and some of that's just because you've got a lot of guys clustered at the lower levels. but Ferris has the stuff. He just needs to take a jump in control
Starting point is 00:30:10 with commanded stamina this year. You know, another one of the outfielder of the mini that is on that list is somebody who was traded to L.A. along with Ferris, Zaire, Hope, somebody who some people haven't protected to have a whole bunch of power. We know he's got speed.
Starting point is 00:30:23 We know he can kind of flag him down in center field. What can you tell fans about Zaire, Hope, how far away he is? I think he's only 20. He turns 21 this year or coming up next year, early next year. but somebody seems to have a lot of upside. Yeah, what can you tell us about hope?
Starting point is 00:30:41 He has a lot of upside, but there's also a lot of holes in the profile. Of the four outfielders, I'm going to bring up my data here. He missed the most. He missed the most in the zone. He struggled mightily against left-handers. He wasn't great against change-ups this year. There's a lot of holes to close before he can get to his upside. I understand he's one of the more hyped prospects in the miners,
Starting point is 00:31:04 and he's good. Don't get me wrong. But I feel like there's always been a gulf between the hype on the internet and some spots. And I fully acknowledge I'm part of the internet. And maybe reality. It's not a slam dunk sort of profile. I understand there's lots of elements. And you mentioned go get him in center field.
Starting point is 00:31:26 I don't know anyone who thinks he's going to stick in center field. I think this is a corner guy. And the problem there is if he's a corner guy, he's got to start showing that power more often, that more offensive profile. If you can't do that, then he's a tweener. And that's probably not what you want, obviously. That's why I ranked him fourth among this group. If you talk to four different scouts, you could probably get four different orders of these guys.
Starting point is 00:31:50 You know, I've met guys who said, hey, you're crazy for rankings out of your hope here. I've met guys who say, hey, you're crazy for going with Quintaro at one. It's when you see him. It's not a science. It's a little bit of art too. So it's not, it's completely reasonable to have them in a bunch of different orders. But I think I went with hope there because there's just enough holes in the profile to make me question whether he gets to that upset.
Starting point is 00:32:17 Yeah, I mean, it's funny with this organization, you know, it, I kind of feel like as a Dodger fan, you know, we, this is an organization that is blessed with the ability to go out and find talent and add talent and kind of create prospects. I'm overusing the whole creationism idea here, but they are very good at making players that other organizations or other fan bases are really excited about. But this feels to me like a weaker list
Starting point is 00:32:44 than what we've seen in recent years. You and I were talking earlier. It's not as pitching happy or pitching loaded as it has been in years past. And we know other organizations love pitchers a whole bunch. All of that to say, you mentioned, Eduardo Cantero at number one on your list. Admittedly, him being number one,
Starting point is 00:33:03 he is the guy I know the least about. I don't know, maybe that's an indictment on me here, but Cantero, is this somebody who's somebody actually helped this team or more of a trade guy, or is he just kind of a flash in the pan, hoping that all of the tools sort of pan out? Well, this team, you mean 2026 Dodgers? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:24 Or just in general? I mean, in general. I would say that, he has a really good chance to do it. I picked him at number one because he's got the most well-rounded skill set. I think he's got a really good chance. It's not a slam dunk.
Starting point is 00:33:38 It's maybe a contested layup to stick in center field. But he's the one of DePaul and Hope and maybe Sarota. Serota's a little bit of a wild card based on what happened when he comes back from the knee. He's got a chance to stick in center field too. But that's a guy that I have a little bit of history with. I saw him in the Complex League two years ago.
Starting point is 00:33:59 I remember seeing the first swing I saw, I texted my bosses and said, this is going to be a top 50 prospect in a couple years. Like it was just that kind of, you know it when you see it sort of guy with him. And then, you know, he was okay the next year. But this year he had a little more loft to his swing without sacrificing much contact and started hitting more home runs. And that trend is led it up to high a great lakes to a degree. So, you know, this is the guy who's really well-rounded. And I think, you know, he has a chance to impact the Dodgers. but you're absolutely correct in that
Starting point is 00:34:29 I got a question a couple months ago in a chat. You foresee the Dodgers outfield one day being Hope, DePaula, and Quintero. And the answer is no. Like, they're going to trade somebody here for something, or they will sign somebody to fit in the outfield long term. They have the might to do that, and they probably will. Like, we do those 2029 lineups,
Starting point is 00:34:53 and they're mostly for fun because you can't just add X free agent to, a lineup, you know, preemptively. But that's a long way of saying, I think Quintaro is the most well-rounded of the group, and it would not be surprised. It would not surprise me if he was in their lineup at some point in, well, 2027. Here's hoping we have a 2027 season. But yes, that's the timeline. That's a different conversation.
Starting point is 00:35:18 Yeah, that's the whole other show. Josh Norris, senior editor of Baseball America. We always appreciate the insight. Make sure you guys check out Baseball America on the show here on Falterritori. on YouTube wherever you get your podcast and don't forget Hot Sheet is on Mondays. Josh, thank you. Appreciate the time. Thank you.
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Starting point is 00:38:02 She is a border collie shepherd mix. She is a tripod. So she apparently had a very misaligned break that healed very improperly. And she was at risk of re-breaking it. So we consulted two different veterinarian professionals, and they both agreed that amputation was the best way to give her the best quality of life. And she has not missed a beat. She's still running all over the place.
Starting point is 00:38:25 She can still go up and downstairs, no problem. She still has her cone on because we just got her spade. She also has had dental work done. So she's ready. Once she's fully healed from that spay that just occurred yesterday, she's ready to go home. She's just a good girl. So if you're interested in learning more about Lulu Bean,
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Starting point is 00:39:06 So, yeah, I saw this and I'm trying to get it loaded up. How about first, let's do this. I need a second. I want you to take a moment to wish Rick Monday a happy birthday because I think this is a milestone B day. It is a massive milestone birthday. So happy 80th birthday to Rick Monday. My goodness, he's one of the most distinguished gentlemen I've ever. had the privilege of learning from working with I had no idea truly I had absolutely no idea that
Starting point is 00:39:36 that Rick Monday was 80 like he doesn't act 80 he doesn't seem 80 I don't know what you're supposed to act like at 80 but Rick Monday doesn't do it still doing a bang up job with Stephen Nelson and Tim never it in the Dodgers radio booth on AM 570 has been such a pillar of this Dodgers broadcast team and obviously was a former Dodger he's just a great man he's just a plethora of knowledge. So happy birthday, happy 80th birthday to Rick Monday. Hope you're having a great time on your big birthday. Mo is an absolute gem. He's an absolute gym. But to the baseball thought for the road, we were talking about this a little bit earlier. So there are a few baseballs from the World Series, or sorry, from this Dodgers postseason run that are being auctioned
Starting point is 00:40:22 off right now. So the question I ask you is, how much would you pay for Miguel Rojas is game seven tying homer or will smith's go ahead game winning homer in that that world series i'm curious this is what kind of money you would pay because the type of money that's up here right now is insane that that is just stupidity but that's the thing i mean people spend money on interesting things like i i me as a as a journalist and as a reporter i wouldn't i wouldn't pay anything just because i i don't know i'm around it all the time but if you're a massive fan and this is what gives you joy who can put a price tag i mean i guess you can uh price tag right now is two hundred thousand dollars um well that's so that yeah that's where no tani i just i don't know
Starting point is 00:41:10 i mean that to me is absurd but then think about like you spend a lot of money on camping stuff right i spend a lot of money on like wine and eating out and and travel like what what i think is worth the money like i won't spend six dollars on a t-shirt because i think it's too expensive but i'll drop a lot of money on a bottle of wine it's just like whatever you're into. So I don't know how much would you. I mean, this is just like FU money. This this type of money is insane. It's it's a bit up there. Like I know, well, that's an understatement. But that's one of the, what I told you was like, oh man, I'd love to be friends with the person like this. And you're like, no, I would rather be this person. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:47 I would rather. Yeah. Let me be the person that has, you know, 200K and disposable income. So I could buy the second homer that show Hey, Oatani hit. I mean, granted, It was the Homer that went out of the stadium because he said F.U. Kyle Schwarber, I can hit a baseball out of the stadium too. Not that those were the same series, but I mean, $200,000 for a baseball. Baseball. You guys are into it. Anybody want to buy this?
Starting point is 00:42:15 I will sign it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it goes down in value once you put your signature on it. But SCP auctions is the one holding these auctions, guys. The auction ends in two days, six hours, and 50 minutes. So if you have $200,000 and $1, you can go right now to SCP auctions and go ahead and bid on that Shoah or you don't even need $200,000, just $70,000 and you can get Miguel Rojas's ball. And he signed that one at least.
Starting point is 00:42:43 And he did sign. Yeah. Showhays isn't even signed, right? No. That would make that the value insane. That's just absolutely. But people have. Can we get that person to maybe donate a couple of bucks to Gidreys, you know?
Starting point is 00:42:55 Like, come on. God, seriously. Help a sister out. Help a sister out. What's coming up on all Dodgers with Clint Paseous? So what I actually, less of what's coming up on, because I don't know what we're talking about tonight, probably more rumor stuff if we are doing content tonight.
Starting point is 00:43:10 But last night we did welcome Ryan Ward, Dodgers prospect. I would argue to call him the top slugging prospect. And he is the outfielder closest to helping this organization should be making his MLB debut in 2026. So we asked him a lot about him. We got to know about him. Hey, does he like pancakes or waffles? Does he put his toilet paper over or under?
Starting point is 00:43:33 Over. If it's not over, I don't want him on my team. Thank you. Thank you. He is a spoiler. He isn't over. What I did learn, though, is that my co-host, Jeff Snyder, is wrong and does the over. I mean, the under.
Starting point is 00:43:48 He's never coming on this show. Jeff is never coming on this show. Like, if you're an underperson, don't talk to me. But we also found out something that, Josh had pointed out, you know, like he, Ryan Ward made big strides in cutting down his strikeout rate. And, you know, how did he get to that point, you know, the swing changes that turned him into a 36 homer dude at AAA
Starting point is 00:44:12 because he said, you know, playing in high school and all that, playing in college, he was never a homer guy. So it's pretty interesting. Interview something different, little palate cleanser to talk to the newest guy on the 40-man roster. Now, I love that. It's good to get to know these young guys because I certainly don't know enough about them. So check that out. All Dodgers with Clint Paceas. Check out that Ryan Ward interview with Dodgers. Territory is going to be back on Monday regular time. 3 p.m. Eastern, 12 p.m. Pacific. And then we have a special episode for Thanksgiving. We're going to tape it on Wednesday. You'll hear it on Thanksgiving. We appreciate you guys being here. We're thankful for you. Don't forget to subscribe, right? Smash that like button. Rate us five stars. We appreciate it very much. Clint and I will see you on.
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