Donnell - Black & Blue

Episode Date: June 14, 2020

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The fact of the matter with all this is there aren't enough black officers. Period. My department is 1,700 officers and only 170 of us are black in a city of 900,020% black residents. We are spread out and they fired our last chief who was black. Now, no blacks are in the front office. Almost all of our units are white. The only units they allow us in is school resource and neighborhood police. Right now at this moment during protest our community is asking where are the black officers? Their answer is to make a small unit of blacks to wear plain clothes and walk with the protesters. We also have a COVID team of only 7 officers whom are all black, but the white officers are complaining about it, when every single other fucking unit is all white including SWAT AMP, gang.

This is putting a bandaid on a gunshot wound. Fact of the matter is, it ain't us that's doing all the BS you see on social media. It's literally them. Most black officers are better at defusing things. We talk things out. If things get physical, we address it. But white boys are gun happy. They live for this shit.

And contrary to popular belief, these things don't typically happen around us. They know better. That's why they do it in very covert manners. If the community really want peace, it's simple. Ask for more black cops. Our complaints fall on deaf ears, but the community can change this. NBSP. Hype, hype, hype If I could If I could If I could If I could If I could If I could

If I could If I could If I could If I could If I could If I could If I could Yo, I'm getting the fuck out of here, yo. The Donnell Rawlings show, live in your face. Fuck y'all bitch ass niggas, you'll never take my place, niggas. Thank you. I really wasn't ready for that. That's way too happy.

I really wasn't. I was not ready for that. I was not ready for that. I was not ready for that intro music, man. I would like to start off by saying I want to be funny. So motherfucking bad. Every day I wake up, I want to be funny. Every day I wake up, I want to be funny. Every day I wake up, I want to be funny. Every day I wake up, I'm like, how the fuck do I make the world laugh right now? Every fucking morning, that's my intent.

And every morning, it's always something like, God damn! It's going to be tough to make the world laugh today. You know what I'm saying? Like, for like the last four months, at the time of Corona, man, I swear I want to be funny. Couldn't be funny. I figured out a way to be funny, but I'm like, for, like, the last four months. At the top of corona, man, I swear I wanted to be funny.

Couldn't be funny. I figured out a way to be funny, but I'm like, goddamn. Then right after that, niggas ain't through the corona. Now we got the motherfucking Floyd. And I'm like, I just want to be funny.

I just want to be happy every day. I want to laugh. I want to be able to talk to my friends without them trying to start a rally on me. I want to be able to talk to my friends without them starting a protest. Giving their opinion. Not giving their opinion, a protest on me. And let me tell y'all

something man i'm down with civil rights i want to be down with civil rights i want to be down with civil rights the way i want to be that was right everybody got the old style of civil rights right my style of civil rights come from a place of i've seen so much i've heard so much and i know like i want to be mad i want to be mad all the time i want to be you i'm not mad all the time you are when it comes to your civil rights your civil rights my civil rights yeah no not your personal civil rights but your your perspective on civil rights you always mad at me you all how you always mad at me i'm not always mad at me you don't know we at me? I'm not always mad at me. You don't know.

We just have differences of opinion. Okay. But we're saying the same thing. Okay. This is for the people that are listening right now. This is called communicating, right? Yeah. And we're saying the same thing.

And articulating. Oops. Okay. This is called communicating, right? Learning communication. Mm-hmm. Right? And I'll just say say on my side of learning

communication when someone says something the minute you say uh-uh the minute you say uh-uh is the communication is broken i understand that and when that happened i retracted the uh-uh and and thoroughly the damage was already done i thoroughly explained myself so we could be on the same page i know but the damage was done. The damage was done. You have to allow someone to explain themselves so that you can understand. I did. For me particularly, me as a person, like you said, that can't articulate

their thoughts. I have a problem articulating. I did say that. Sometimes you do, but I get you and then I fill in the blanks because we've known each other for over 13 years. David. David. What's good? David. David, David. What's good? David, David, David.

Do I have an issue with articulating my thoughts? I wouldn't say that. I would say you have an issue someone challenging your thoughts. What? Challenging my thoughts? I think it's a combination of both. Challenging my thoughts. No.

Let's get them. No. Okay, y'all hold up. Hold up. Challenging my thoughts. No. Let's get him. No. Okay, y'all, hold up. Hold up. Hold the fuck. Hey, hey. Hold on, nigga. Hold the fuck up.

Hold the fuck up. Hold on. Hold the fuck up. Y'all go hold the fuck up right now. Damn, you should memorize that shit. Wait, wait, wait. Oh, shit. I don't even know where it is.

Bank three. Bank three. Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. No, that ain't it, son. Oh, I'm about to fuck y'all up. Chill. Give me a second. Let me go get the gat. Bank 3. Okay, hold on. Oh, I know what I did. Let me go get the gat. Jesus. I got it.

I'm gone by now. I know, right? Slow down before I bust caps in y'all ass. I want to get y'all comfortable. Hey, hey, hey. We're going to have to remix that. Okay, nigga, shut the fuck up. I want to get y'all comfortable. We're going to have to remix that. Okay, nigga, shut the fuck up.

Fall back, fall back, fall back, fall back. Chill. I know you're so silly. You said I have a problem articulating my thoughts the point i was trying to make was and we were talking about the whole black lives matter movement the whole george floyd a whole bunch of shit right and i was trying to tell you what i felt what I thought was going to happen, what I thought needed to happen, and also went as far as to say I thought what's going to happen if these things don't happen. And you were filled with a lot of rage, right?

And not in a bad way. It was a great rage. Your rage was, I'm feeling your rage. I feel your rage 100%. When you told me you were going to the black lives matter march i was like for what i remember and then i saw you going the next day yeah i was like for what i'm like oh she black black black yo i'm like i'm woke but she is wide awake like a lot of niggas ain't that woke a lot of people through this pandemic oh we gonna get to that but a lot of people not super woke you woke like you

so woke i know normally you get up at like nine o'clock right now i've noticed that you've been posted at 6 30 more you woke woke yeah i can't sleep figuratively and figuratively literally and figuratively speaking and i feel the same way but i ain't woke woke right and you was going to the marches and shit i was like oh shit right but i know how you feel i know like your generation you're like upset you're tired and exhausted tired and exhausted and then with that said i said basically what are you going to do about it right because people are everybody's exhausted nobody wants this to continue to happen and we've all been through so many we've been to so many levels so many stages so many years we like have a bicentennial

of killing niggas you almost can feel in your gut like two years ago it's like something about to pop off you know right and i know how you feel about that you know i know how you feel about that. You know, I know how you feel about that. 100%. Right? But I'm like, we're going to get to a point like, oh, not this again. But what do we do right now? What do we do? What do we do right now? How do we take our rage and make it work in our benefit. Because initially with rage, initially with rage,

you just want to just go set some shit off. Fuck that. Ride or die, nigga. MOP all day. Fuck that, nigga. I'd die for Floyd. Niggas, whatever. It's like rage.

And then a lot of times the rage doesn't turn into the organization. The rage doesn't turn into the organization. The rage doesn't turn into the plan. And the rage doesn't turn into the strategy. Right. And we were saying the same thing in regards to the system being broken down and rebuilt. And what does that look like? And you expressed to me what it looked like to you.

And I said that particular thing was wishful thinking because if they're not abiding right now they're always going to find a way so what did I say what did I say my solution not a solution this is not about having a solution just my thoughts my thoughts were my thoughts were you know uh it's no accountability with inside inside inside the police department. It's already been proven that having an organization that monitor or police inside the police department is not going to work. So having a third party, I agree with that. No, you didn't agree with that at first.

This is what I was explaining. You didn't agree with that at first. What I was explaining is that when you're a police officer, and what I know because I was almost a D.C. police officer, is that to become a police officer, you have to take a psychological exam. That's at the beginning. We want to see where your fucking head is in the beginning. But my thing, and I'm not 100% sure, if you have a police officer that's constantly in situations that you

get reprimanded by or slap your hand or whatever is there a wreck is there a record with that with their mindset you know i'm saying and the thing is and the reason why i was saying that if you have a person like what was his name i feel what's i can't remember his name who the cop that killed um george i just i know the white guy i call him the knee nigga yeah yo the knee nigga right the knee motherfucker he i'm happy to say i don't know his name all right i'm happy to say that too but i hope he gets you know second degree murder at least yeah we don't get to that too but um derrick chauvin yeah right yeah i'll say in a situation with the knee nigga i was like everybody is upset everybody is angry but what can you do and my thought was it has to with the police department

and i know people are gonna say it's bigger than that but i'm just talking about this for right now with the police department there has to be something that watches over the police department has to be an outside agency it has an outside agents outside agency that does have no interest and i also feel like when i was saying about uh so you got somebody just always into a situation where you got to pull his gum you got to pull his gum he may be in a crime-ridden area but if this constantly happened you got to reevaluate that person i feel like you got to reevaluate that person so you can start setting the pace if he's mentally unstable just a fucked up person to get him out of there you got to have a record of it you got to have a record of it and i say it could be a situation where even if it was like okay you was you were doing your job if you busting your

gun like seven times a year it might be time for you to get on the desk be a desk sergeant or something yeah but i mean how yeah we all agree with that but how how do we implement that i mean it's obvious it's so clear to anybody that the police are not going to follow the rules right and it's it goes from the bottom i've seen police running red lights i know cops who drink and drive. Personally. I know. Yeah, you know. I know one of my motherfuckers. He said, how you getting home? I said, nigga, how you getting home? And he

don't give a fuck. And that's fine. No, it's not. Because these people are civil servants. And they're not serving the law that they're supposed to. And I get that not everyone's going to follow the rules. But come on, man. But that's the point I was making.

Being on people's necks is not protocol. The point I was making with Javanta, I understand that. Right. I was like, what do you do about it? I assume it comes from leadership. When leadership, like you said,

the blue wall is not going to be broken down. And that's, that's to me, that's a problem. It's a fraternity. They stick together. The biggest gang. And this is what you said,

Giovanna to me, this is what you said. And I was losing my thought. I said, the idea of reevaluating people could see what's on what, what their mental is. I said to put that on record. And I said,

maybe something where if you have, if you pull your fucking gun out like three times a year or something,. I said to put that on record. And I said maybe something where if you have, if you pull your fucking gun out like three times a year or something, like I said, you get alleviated from that duty. Right. You know what I'm saying? And when I said that, and it didn't make me upset, but I was like, I don't understand. You can't understand that.

But you said that's wishful thinking to think that. And I understood that, and I didn't let you finish your thought because that was coming from before you said it was coming from an outside party. So if the police are being policed. I said it at the same time. You didn't let me finish. I didn't let you finish. That's right. So we've gotten to a place. Did you apologize? I'm sorry for not letting you finish. I'm sorry for

pulling an interrupter number which is your number. I'm sorry. What? Your number. My number? Pulling the number. What did you talk about? What's the name of the show? Oh I pulled the Donnell Rawlings show? Put the cat away. Oh, yeah.

The time that you let me realize that it was your show, I didn't like that. Oh, my God. The machine gun? It shouldn't be violence. Violence is not the answer. By the end of it, we agree on the same thing. We didn't agree. I said save it for the show.

Okay. Well, I agree with you. If the police are being policed by a third party, yeah, I hope that we get to that place. And where do we start? How do we get to that place? And that's where I'm not a professional, and that's why on this show I just didn't want to rely on how I articulated my thoughts. Because, Julius, that's what she said, right? She said, Donnell, you have a problem articulating your thoughts.

Didn't you hear her say that? Terry, did you hear her say that? Yeah, I said that. And she said it with a very. Right. You still believe I have a problem articulating my thoughts? Yes, I do. Give me.

Is there a time when I didn't articulate my thoughts? I feel like the majority of the time I am, I agree with you on certain things. All right, man, I don't even want to hear it. Okay, see? See? I want to talk to my friends. I don't want to articulate my thoughts. What up, son?

What's going on? This is my friend Andy Singer. You may know him as the motherfucker founder and creator. Not founder and creator not found and created but one of the creative forces behind one of the most popular hashtags on the internet too soon with donnell rawlings hi andy yeah if andy don't talk to her please all right we have a civil rights beef inside of civil rights we have a domestic this is what's gonna fuck up the marches son this is a messy situation before we get there andy andy andy singer and andy singer a lot of people know what i do know people that know

you know me they know you one of my closest friends it happened over a short period of time can you hear me yes absolutely and over a short period of time i've learned some of your values some of the things you believe in something you don't fuck with but you've been a good friend a lot of people may not know is that your background, you were a police officer. Was it police department or sheriff department? Sheriff's department. Sheriff's department in New Jersey. A lot of people don't know you're a police ass nigga.

Exactly. You already know what that sounds like, okay? Right? And I wanted to get a lot of people's perspective because I'm having an issue with articulating my thoughts as of late. And I wanted a perspective that was different from mine because I don't articulate. Someone else, I said, we were talking about the police department, right? How do we fix the situation? And police brutality

and we yo violence if you keep doing that i'm just trying to articulate everything that was happening i know but i'm trying to explain this is gonna be black on black on black crime. So I needed someone that has been of that world. And I explained, I said, you know, the police are not going to police themselves. Right. And I talked to you earlier. You talked to you had some ideas. But I said, some system has to be where you make a record of a person's personality and what they do on doing a job.

It has to be some type of consequences to it whether it's justified or not and i'm saying if you have a cop that's always busting his shot it could have been in a line of duty in the line of duty but it would be a good time to reevaluate this person and see what happens to make him want to is there any way we can get to the point where motherfuckers just wilding out doing whatever the fuck him want to is there any way we can get to the point where motherfuckers just wilding out doing whatever the fuck they want to do like i said we've discussed this um and it goes back very deep um you ask a lot of cops especially i came from a big department we had a couple hundred officers between the jail the courthouse the streets or people working for other divisions

other departments the streets nigga that's where i would have been you would have been you would have been locking me up in the streets son fucking bezelman nigga streets go ahead i'm sorry it's it's it's tough because one of the biggest problems with police officers is not so much the street it's not so much criminals it's their own department it's the politics it's it's the it's the playing the game um one of one of many many problems that i've seen uh things that that i feel personally uh are wrong within the police departments is one you have a lot of people that should never even be put on a list to be a police officer i say that yo andy you know i'm the interrupter but i said and i'm going

to interrupt son if you don't like it take that but listen listen you know i'm gonna interrupt son but i got the gap today javante over there mad as shit at me i keep busting shots on her like oh militant it's too many people their father made a big donation to to a political party uh too many people just because they have the same last name as somebody else get the job i mean i saw it through academy i saw it through things i saw it on personal levels people that without a doubt% should not have made it even through into the academy, let alone through the academy. Hey, Andy, it's cops out there that the only reason they're cops

because they pitched it to them that earned $60,000 a year plus benefits. They glorified that part of it. And they know people are desperate to have benefits in life and have some security. So it's a lot of police officers that are police officers just because it was a fucking paying job, son. Absolutely. Absolutely.

And then a lot of them, they see what they see on TV. They see what they see in the movies. And then when they actually get onto the streets. Now, let me explain the streets. It's different. Like I said, I came from a church. The streets where I would have been. The streets.

We had, it's a very big it was it's a very big county it's a very big county you have some tough areas like patterson and passage and then you have some country nothing but lakes and birds up county areas now you had guys that took the test what's the name of those areas beer andy what's ringwood want to queue ringwood i, they have some drug issues up there, but it's, it's for the most part, it's peaceful. I used to go up there once in a while just to get lost.

I would end up in New York state because I didn't even know where I was anymore. I'd just be driving around. I'd start seeing New York plates and realize, okay, I left the state County. I got to drive back now. Those guys that from up there,

um, a lot of them did end up becoming great cops. A lot of them from up there um a lot of them did end up becoming great cops a lot of them from up there they would work a couple of days on the streets in the tougher neighborhoods and the good supervisors would realize and say no no no you go back up to where you're from and you patrol up there and you stay up there and you work up there because you don't understand the streets you don't know how to talk to people you don't know how to interact with people it's if there's there's a lot of you have cops that are book smart and take tests to move up in the rank and stuff like that

and that's great but the best cops are the street cops okay andy when does a cop what's going on his brain when he gets to the point where he is watching a motherfucker die. Racism. That's, like I said, seeing that video, and when I first saw the first picture, I saw, you know, the one officer on Floyd's neck, and it was like, okay, that is horrible. When I saw the second picture of three of them on him,

again, personally, it broke my heart because I didn't understand that. Like I said, I've been in everything. I've been involved in situations. I've been involved in shootings. I've had a gun pointed in my face. I've seen it all. I've been through it all.

Once somebody is handcuffed, unless they are on some crazy PCP angel dust trip. I smoked that before. You're right. I would have bust shots. I'd have been like this. Exactly. But still, you had three people and you had a vehicle there. Why couldn't they just pick them up and throw them in the back of the vehicle? It was over and done. I don't understand. And again, I can't speak for every state, every municipality. They have different training techniques. And again, going back, this is something that bothers me a lot today.

And I see it personally. I've interacted with cops, the newer generation of cops, the younger generation of cops. They don't have what we had. And you'll understand some of this because you were in the military. I was a bitch-ass cop, though, but go ahead. When you went through the military academy, like we went through police academy, we basically had military marine drill instructors. They would spend all day. They'd make up whatever hours you had to come in.

They would tell you when you had to go. You could be there 12, 16, 20 hours a day. They controlled your life. They made it miserable for you. They screamed at you. Every single one of us, no matter what color, no matter what background, no matter what religion, no matter what it was, they found our weaknesses and they screamed at you for an hour this morning on your weakness. They screamed at you. You're this, you're that, you're blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, da, da, da, da. And eventually you hate it. But when you graduate, you realize, wait a second. That taught me to listen to whatever the heck they were saying, whatever personal talking about my mother, my family, my background, my history, whatever.

It taught you to be able to just let it go in one ear and out the other. So how does a motherfucker. And you're based on the street. I get it. I know what it taught to good motherfuckers. I understand that part. But they don't do that anymore because so many people have sued the academies.

These guys go in seven to three every day. They're not allowed to curse at them. They're not allowed to yell at them the way that they used to. They're soft. A lot of them are coming out of the academy soft as hell. And then when somebody gets in their face,

they don't know how to respond. You don't take it personal. I don't care what they say to you. You never take it personal. These guys when somebody gets in their face they don't know how to respond you don't take it personal i don't care what they say to you you never take it personal so you guys are getting people in their face yelling and they're taking it personal they're getting angry so what you're saying is this guy what you're saying this guy was a bad cop you're saying this guy was a bad cop 100 there's there is i have zero defense for for what he did and no one should have any let me ask can i ask a question of course you can sure absolutely so you're involved and this I have zero defense for what he did, and no one should have any defense for what he did. Let me ask.

Can I ask a question? Of course you can. Sure. Absolutely. So you're involved, and this is something that I'm curious about, and I'm sure many people need to know the answer to this. Where does the power lie in the police department for holding people accountable? Who can we vote in? Who can we fire?

That's the question. Who is going to hold the – who's going to – is it the district attorney? That's it, right? Who's going to put the, who's going to, who's going to, is it the district attorney? That's it, right? Who's going to put the murder charge on this guy when he murders, when he murders someone? Even if he didn't murder someone. The next guy who does. There's murderers in the police department. And when they murder someone, how, who do we put in charge?

Who are they? How do we do it? Let's get it done. I mean, listen, this is David, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We've, Donnell and I have discussed that too and listened to something that, again, a lot of the police departments, a lot of organizations have the same problem, whereas things get swept under the rug. There's no denying that.

Things disappear. I saw things, I saw cases personally where I was like, God, this guy's going to jail. This guy, he's going to do time. He's going to do, and then it disappeared. And again, that goes back to something that I saw very heavily. I haven't voted in 15, 20 years because of what I saw in law enforcement. We used to be forced to work the polls. We used to be told who we had to confront, who we were supposed to really question about their ID and did they live there and did they. And our department, it was weird because our department changed. They went from Republican to Democrat to Democrat to Republican. They would change like the wind, depending on whichever way the flow was going because they wanted their people to win. I saw things that were so corrupt and so horrible, and I know that that still goes on to this day.

And unfortunately, it is the tough cities that have the corrupt politics. So it goes way up. It goes – when I tell you it goes way, way up. It goes up into state government. I saw people make phone calls. So what is the chain? I don't understand the chain. I'm not that that educated what's the chain of command in in um in government it's like it's the police chief and then the district attorney and then what this the senator the mayor the like all those people need to be in line or judges yes yes a lot man we better start a lot of people

that's the most important andy real andy i'm sorry really quick you just hit the nail on the head the best thing we have to do is start fucking voting motherfuckers gotta change things andy i know you and educate ourselves on who what the power chain is right so we have attorneys local governmental officials we have to vote on these we have to vote for these people and we have to really start show up at town hall i don't care if you're militant and you're and you're and you're down for the protesting and direct action you still gotta vote you got to it's just 100 100 and no more not voting andy and i know you told me some stories of some arrests you made when you was in the streets where i would have been right andy when you was in the streets where i've been yo

is it still true to this day that you can get a to tell you anything with a new port absolutely oh my god let me tell you i don't mean to laugh at it yo say yo i see this yo yo stop bitching movement oh my we would have people in the car with the stop fishing shirtitching shirt on telling us. Listen, I told you this story. We've had mothers give up their sons. We've had sons give up their mothers. Boy, new boy, nigga. That's sad.

Everybody knows you want the bigger fish. With the shirt on, with the stop-stitching shirt on. Exactly. Everybody knows you want the bigger fish. They'll put on a show outside the car. In a second, you get them in the car and roll up those tinted windows. What you want? Who you want?

What you need? And that's the way it was that's that that's the way that it works and it's a good thing too because sometimes you do get some bad people off the street if you're looking for somebody what a cigarette yo wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute sir you trying to tell me that crime went down with for the police at the most new ports? Listen, we had a glove compartment full of stuff. You had a glove compartment full of stuff. And listen, when somebody gave you some good information, and like I said, we had people give up. We had one guy, he was getting ready for a big weekend.

He had a $500 child support warrant. We picked him up on a Friday night. He was getting ready to drive down for a weekend He said oh hell no hell no hell no. He gave up a double murderer I had like he had five brains in his pocket. He owed $500 child support. He had five grand in his pocket He said oh no you ain't messing up our weekend. He said I'll give you the biggest mission to see right now He gave up a double murderer. Damn son six nine been living forever son Yo, man.

I'm going to, man. So, I mean, we called you to get your perspective in a conversation in the police department. So, there is, and you being a cop, and any cop in there, there's no way you could watch that video and think other than it was just, you can't watch that video and say, well, maybe he was resisting arrest. Maybe he was on something. Because that's the scenario they're going to try to pitch to us. That man was not moving. They were beating his ass before he got on the ground.

There's another video that came out. I saw that too, that they dragged him out of the car. And again, listen, I also also believe my father told me this he believed he always told me he said believe none of what you hear and half of what you see because what you hear a lot of times a telephone game what you see sometimes if you see it from a distance you may not see the full picture so i understand and respect that but at the same time too, there's nothing that you can tell me more that I'm missing from that picture. Eight minutes on somebody's neck, I don't care what

the guy did. He's handcuffed, you get off him, you stuff him in the back of the car, it's over, it's done with. If he's going to smash around in the back of the car, let him smash around in the back of the car. That's what he wants to do, but don't sit on his neck for eight minutes. I'm sick of this shit, son.

I'm sick of this shit, son. I got to call some other people, man. Thank you for helping me to get some people to talk to to have different perspectives. Because I don't want it just to be all about my thoughts. But I'm motherfucking sick of this shit. Most of the time we talk about jokes and we talk

about comedy and we talk about life. But this right now, this is an important thing. And I'm so proud of you. And I'm so glad of everybody that we're having this conversation. Some people are going to be afraid. Some people can't talk for whatever reason. But we have to get everybody to talk. It's going to probably be a little bit ugly before it gets better. But we need to figure out how to heal.

We need to figure out how to heal together need to figure out how to feel together and again I know are you mad not arguing that are you so Andy can I ask you a question Andy what are you actively doing right now for the cause what are you what are you actively doing I've had some words with some, like I said, I've been retired 10 years now, so I'm out of it. But, I mean, I still have a lot of friends. And it's a very interesting time to see right now. I posted up something the other day that was very personal to me. I posted up a thing about the badge, about when you wear the badge, it goes over your heart, but it doesn't take the place of your heart. And if the badge is blocking the view of your heart, then you should not be wearing a

badge. Now, I posted that up on social media. And of course, I got both sides. I got some, oh, you know, you know better. And again, like we're saying here, you have to have a conversation. I don't want to argue and say, oh, you have to listen to me, or oh, you have to have a conversation i don't want to argue and say oh you have to listen to me or oh you have to listen to this or oh you have to see this side let's have an open conversation what bothers you about what i said what what bothers you about that you know there listen there are some people that will will bleed blue no matter what the evidence is in front of them and and that's that's a tough thing so no bro that's a fucking problem that's not a tough thing that's a fucking problem that's the problem fuck those people right fuck them oh we're about to get a white protest son

yo man that hard yo we're about to get it yo let me tell you something. It is not that hard. The best thing about, not the best thing, but I'm telling you, that is the fucking energy I'm talking about. Yeah. The white dude, white dude was ready to motherfucking march and get that. I saw this motherfucker at a riot.

He was there. I saw the city of Philadelphia drop a bomb on the move house when I was a kid. And it changed my life. And what did you do? I mean, all I can do is try to do what i can do i think right now i'm gonna try to figure out how we as a group of people i like that in a murder charge on this guy and you know what i want to find out a murder i know he's a murderer not third degree yo i know okay this is what i'm gonna get to next that's what i andy i really appreciate

the call man we want a different perspective right but i gotta i want to always i love you man let's keep on bringing them to soon. Charlamagne, you don't want it from Donnell and Beard. All right. Okay. Love you, man. Let's heal. My man.

All right. Take that, police ass. Nigga, police ass. Nigga, get out of here. Yo, I get this busted. Shut up, the police ass. Nigga, be there. All right, bro.

Yo. We don't fuck with you, bro. He says, nigga, you know what it is. Nigga, black lives matter. Nigga, watch. Watch. Watch. And like you said, not third degree.

Next person I want to call up, this is my defense attorney. I've used him three times. I've used him three times. I've used him three times. I'll just say we're back. We're 3-0. He would know who we need to get into office that's going to put a murder charge on this guy. I think it's our responsibility to know as well. I know. That's what I'm saying.

We need to ask him. I'm trying to figure it out myself. I just started voting. This is what I want to do. This is another thing people got to be prepared for. dude i call him off a bad cop um he's going to go home he's going to see freedom the knee dude the knee nigga yeah oh yeah we need to be prepared for when that happens yeah it's going to happen that's what i'm saying this is what i'm talking about this is what i'm talking about preparing like we got to get prepared in so

many ways mentally on this could happen this is not going to happen. That's what I'm saying. He's going to get acquitted. This is what I'm talking about preparing. Like, we got to get prepared in so many ways mentally on this could happen, this is not going to happen. You know what I'm saying? We can't wait to be like, and see how we're going to react to it. We need to know now because even if they bring all three of them to court, that's going to happen. But they're coming home. They're coming home because of the charges. And what I want to do, because the reason I want to call somebody that knows the law, that practices the law, and practices the law with me

is someone that knows I know how to articulate my words. I said thoughts, but okay. Okay, we know what it is. Larry Weissman, he's a good guy. I just want to get a clear understanding of what's going to happen if this motherfucker gets convicted.

Hey, what up, Larry? What's up? This is, I'm not in trouble, first off. I know that. Okay, all right. I'm just making sure because I know this call is usually different. Like, oh, fuck, what do we got to do? So I already gave you.

What do we got to do? I gave you the background that you are my criminal defensive lawyer in the situations I've been in, and we're batting a good average of 3-0. You know what I'm saying? We're 3-0. I'm home, right? And then we're talking about the George Floyd situation. We try to get different perspectives from different people.

And this is what people, I think, have to get ready for, or what we know is that he's being charged with third-degree murder, right? And the emotion of people right now is that, fuck third-degree murder. He should get first-degree murder. I want him to go to jail forever and never get out. Well, you got to look at the statute. It doesn't fit. The statute doesn't fit what The statute doesn't fit what?

It doesn't fit what the officer did. I mean, if you look at the statute, it basically calls for, like, felony murder dealing with, you know, in the commission of a crime such as burglary, robbery, rape, you kill somebody, you know, or hit man. I mean, that kind of crime gets you murder one. robbery, rape, you know, kill somebody, you know, or hit man. I mean, that kind of crime gets you murder one in Minnesota. This crime is depraved indifference, which is in New York, there's a murder two statute depraved indifference.

But the truth is, you got to look at the sentencing. Right. That's, you know, that's the one that really matters. Well, in the hood, we would say this. How much time is this nigga going to get? How much time can he get? He can get up to 25 on the murder theory. But that's up to the judge. And this case is not a try case

because this guy can't win a case. He's going to go in and eventually plead guilty and throw himself on the mercy of the court and hope the judge gives him less than the max. Considering the guy has got no record, he's hoping to get less than the max.

Something 12 and a half or something really lower or maybe even try to get the manslaughter. This is a big case. You've got to understand, big cases, you know, where there's a lot of eyes on it, you have a different set of rules.

There's a different set of rules that would serve the cop in a situation like this better? Are those the rules that you're talking about? No, a different set of rules. Does not serve the defendant well. Right. Because, you know, the light disinfects any kind of issues. You know, you're not going to,

you know, you're not going to, you know, the, the, the judge is not going to make a mistake, not going to give someone a break, not going to, you know, lay down and die or, you know, or, or, or bend because he's an ex-cop because there's too much light on the case. So the three guys that haven't been apprehended, haven't been charged, if these guys got murdered three, do you think that they're going to try to convict them on something less than murder three,

or do you think it's all of them going to be charged with that? Well, you know, it has to do with the praise and difference. I think they're going to go with Mansplitter on two of them, you know, for watching it and helping out. The one thing people weren't really talking about is this guy with handcuffs. Yeah. I mean, this is unbelievable to me. It's like, this is the thing, like, I know, not speaking for my community whatever but I mean black people so frustrated even when Stephen Colbert did a

Mock-up it was a skit about if he went to court to be the shortest episode of Law and Order it was just like hey Here's the picture doom-doom. You would think that would be the case, but it's not the case and the frustration. I know Black people have is like okay., yeah, he's going to go to court. He's going to go to court, but it's cut and dry as it looks. Like the fear is that there's a possibility some kind of way this guy could be acquitted. And like things are like rough now, but if that happens, then how do you restrain people from reacting off of that over and over and over again hello oh we got the um goddamn no that's the um amber alert what's curfew now hello hello wait a minute larry larry larry listen. I don't know the last thing you heard,

but we just had an Amber Alert coming in trying to tell us what the curfew is. You know, so how do you – what was the – I don't know if the last thing you said. How do you address people, especially our communities, frustrated with the fact that this happens over and over again and they get acquitted. And then are you upset if people just really just start acting out of rage, like the protests will continue and things could get worse? Well, I mean, I think there's been a lot of restraint on most of the protesters.

I think there's a lot of agitators within the system who want a fight or they want a riot. Right. I think that's the problem. I mean, if you look at Floyd's brother, he stood up and said this is wrong. Don't do this.

If you want to protest, protest. We're a nice, civil family. We don't want this. We don't want this. If you want to protest, protest. We're a nice, civil family. We don't want this. We don't want this in our name. You're disrespecting our name. I know, but some people want to ride in their honor irregardless. Some people want to ride in their honor, and not just in this case, in all the cases before this.

Some people, like, Javanta says, enough is enough. And, like, do you think that you working in that world, do you think that there's anything that could be done with inside the police department to change thoughts? Could stop this to happen? One of the biggest problems in the police department is, you know, the blue wall is just terrible. Like, cops, you know, even black cops

aren't black. The blue wall, so the blue wall, so black people are still the blue wall. That's what the black people still, the black people

just fuck with the blue wall. Well, the black people are blue. They're not black. They're blue. You know, when they say

blue lives matter, you know, and people would joke about it, black cops are blue. You know, because they got to depend on these people they had a certain on white cops and you know and they and you gotta understand they have a different perspective they're scared they're more you know when they do when they do a traffic stop cops are more scared of you than you are of them. I remember I was on a date

with my girlfriend years ago. Man, nobody want to care about your sex life, man. We know, man. We know you a man dingo. We know. Go. There's just no sex life. I went to a stop sign and I turned, you know, I knew what to do. I turned the light on

inside my car. I turned the key off. I put the key on inside my car. I turned the key off. I put the key on top of the roof. I opened the window, put my hands at 10 and 2 o'clock. The cop wasn't afraid. He comes over to the car and he says, you know what you just did? I go, I don't know. Some people would make the argument because you're white.

Yeah, like, that's, okay. It's not because you're white. Yeah, like, that's, okay. It's not because you're white. Because they know that they're not, that you know the rule, that they're afraid. No, but I, Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry. Let me ask you this, what kind of car were you driving? Right, right. Was the girlfriend black or white? That was my next question.

White. Like, they don't even have an opportunity to put our hands at 10 or 12. They're shooting. They're coming out the gate. No, okay. Even, here's the thing. All right, here's the thing. Even if whatever opportunity we have to try to hurt a person, like, a lot of cops are

just threatened by a black man. That dude was handcuffed on the ground. You know, he was a resisting arrest, and they felt the need to have four people on him, like that they still felt that the black man was still threatening to them. Now, I understand you're saying about the rules or whatever, and that's the point of the whole shit. It's like, it feels like, and you don't have to answer this question but it feels like we we have to play by a different set of rules well i i think i mean do

you think part of this was they were trying to set an example for the people around that they were trying to be tough no a part of it i think part of it goes back to fear i think some of us so fear they got to try to act a lot tougher than what they really are when that when that asian cop when that asian cop was their tail whatever you could look in his face and say this a bitch ass motherfucker if he ain't got that gun on you look at his face you'd be like this bitch ass motherfucker give me my chinese fried rice nigga i know that's racist but i'm mad at him right now you would say that to him you saw him looking back and forth like what did you all right guys hurry up hurry up he wasn't he wasn't about that life you look at his face you could tell he wasn't about that life but he

was like I'm down here goes the blue wall again but motherfucker a bad cop he looked in his face he looked like he was about that life he looked like another day on the fucking job. He looked like, oh, roll your cameras. I got another one. Hey, I even got some on my fucking camera. He looked like that. Mind you, this was over a potential fake $20 bill. This is not like they didn't get a call for, oh, there's a potential robbery or someone just raped someone.

This was literally a potential fraud situation. It doesn't matter. The man was handcuffed. This was like the worst thing I've ever seen, one of the worst things I've ever saw. That's besides the point. What I don't understand, like if I was there,

I had this discussion with a friend of mine yesterday. I said, if I was one of the other three, if I was one of the three cops, what I would have done. You would have what? I wish I was, what I would have done if I was one of the other three cops. And I said, you know, would I have been strong enough to pull my gun on the other cop? Right. Nobody's going to, nobody's going to never, that never, that's never going to happen.

And then you think I'm about to tear your ass up. Right. Yo, if you do that, you about to hear this. Okay, I just got this new thing. Go ahead, Larry. Right, so I'm saying, what would I have done? I know I would have gone up to the guy and gone, listen, you asshole, there's enough cameras out here.

What the fuck are you doing? I know I would have done that. So you know what, Larry? This is what I'm trying to move me. We need some white people to say, listen, guys, what the fuck is you doing i know i would have done that so you know what larry this is what i'm trying to move me we need some white people to say listen guys what the fuck is going on here and that's at least that's the minimum i would have done i think i would have pulled them off i don't know if i would have pulled a gun on him but because Larry, because you don't have the fear of them shooting you or wanting to kill you because you're black. That's a privilege.

It's like I understand what you're saying, and I'm pretty sure there were people there who were like, I should do something. If you roll up you look like the lawyer that would say that you look lawyer you'd be a busy person too if you were trying to stop police brutality if you were in the police force trying to stop police brutality and over escalation you'd be a very busy but you know what but i really do believe me knowing him personally i like i know it sounds crazy and everybody's just talking like, how the fuck?

I really believe that would have been his actions. Yeah. I really believe that. That's why he's not a cop. Right. Right. There's no question in my mind I would have gone,

I would have gone, there's so many cameras. Are you out of your mind? That's what you go. Yo. I know, yes, it's fun. A joke can be too soon, but it's never too soon for a funny observation.

And that is a funny observation. Do you see how many fucking kids? And did I just tell you the mindset and the animal that he was? Like, he knew it, and it didn't fucking matter, man. It didn't matter. It didn't matter. Like, I don't understand this guy. Like, I don't get him.

I don't get, you know, I don't get the Minnesota Police Department. I don't get this other three cops. You know, let's face it. We have chipped away at the black community. From the court system to DAs, they have chipped away. You know, the Supreme Court with their immunity, with their qualified immunity, which is destroying the ability to civilly sue. You know, it's possible that this family

won't be able to sue the Minnesota Police Department. Do you know that? What was that? What was the last thing he said? The Supreme Court made a decision in 1982 about qualified immunity. Which is what? Which says that you have to find a similar case that they found in that jurisdiction,

that they found for the plaintiff. And it's like, there's no other case like this. Right. So they could dismiss it. They could dismiss the federal civil suit what about there's a you know a civil suit in the in the minnesota state court i don't know but because i don't you know i never practiced in minnesota i'm not practicing now i'm sort of like uh you know... If you had one thing... Hey Larry, if you had one thing you could do to show your support for...

support or thoughts on current state of the world, what would it be? If I could change anything in the world or anything in criminal justice? what are we looking at? In this case, in this case, in this case, police brutality, racism, if there's one thing, because, like, I really feel that, like. First of all, first of all, why these cops did not have stun guns on them and why we didn't use a stun gun because they probably don't want that ever be an option well why not i mean i mean it's non-lethal i mean it's not a great thing

right you know i not that i've ever been stun gunned but i know you know what that's a funny observation not a funny observation but like, I know people like know it's bigger than that, whatever the problem is but why didn't they have stun guns? I don't know, I mean like to me it's like... They do, they do is the answer they do. Of course they do they have mace, they have stun guns, they have batons

because their protocol is off and they're not following directions there's no one that says, hey man, when the guy's down, if he's struggling, put your knee on his neck. That is not anywhere in the instruction manual. No.

Actually, in the Minnesota Police Department, a necklace strength with a knee is part of it. I heard that the other day. What? Are you serious? Well, then there you go. Hold on. Fall back.

Let another white man talk. But go ahead. That's fucking wrong. That's got to be, then there you go. Hold on. Fall back. Let another white man talk. But go ahead. That's fucking wrong. That's got to be changed then. I understand. But that's the point. The point is, you know, we have too much complacency. We have too much the same old boy network.

Right. You know, it's like to go up the system in the police department, you've got to play ball. And that's what I was saying. That's what I was saying earlier, man. I was like, if you like, I don't think any cop wants to be a patrolman their whole time. But if you trying to get a higher rank, whatever, it should be a situation. You get a certain amount of disciplinary marks against you, a certain amount of horrible interactions with the community

whatever and then it costs you the opportunity to build up your rank because everybody want more money you got to kill them right there too right but a lot of cops don't want to move up to detective because there's a lot more overtime on in them streets on the streets you get overtime and like so what you're trying to say is this whole shit with floyd happened because this In them streets. On the streets. You get overtime. So what you're trying to say is this whole shit with Floyd happened because this motherfucker wanted to work more overtime? I don't know. I mean, I don't know his hours, but you could check.

You know, there's a lot more arrests 20 minutes before their eight hours is up than, you know, the first 20 minutes. Right. Because they get to bring him there and then they get an extra four hours. God damn,

the motherfucker's hustling. Hey, Larry, I appreciate your perspective. So the right thing, of course, a lot of people not understanding it, of course, people want first degree murder, but they have a better chance of getting a conviction on. It doesn't fit. It doesn't fit the statute. The statute is kind of clear.

You know, it's like, you know, is it a judge? Is it a witness? Is it a DA? No. Was he a victim of sexual, you know, was the victim of sexual abuse or rape? No. Was the victim a witness to a crime? Well, he's about to be a victim of rape. He's about to be. I know he was the victim of rape, but they about to tear his ass up in that joint, son. That's what you get, motherfucker.

Hold on. Let me tell you. This guy's not going to do well in jail. I don't know. There's got to be a cop jail somewhere, but he ain't going to do well in jail. No, he's not. No, he's not going to do well. And Larry, thank you, because I was you know, my thoughts on this was that, you know, a lot of people are set that questions. What can we do? How do we strategize and what's the plan?

And I wanted people to kind of get a clear understanding on reasons why he wasn't charged with first-degree murder and if the other guys are going to try out the possibility of what would happen after that. Well, you're going to see what the other three are going to be charged with. And whether or not, you know, it's not like they need one of the other three to turn. It's not like you're going to have one of these cops turning state's evidence against the other three. They don't need that. It's all on videotape. This is a very simple case.

You know, my guess is they're going to offer a plea, you know, five years under the max or six years under the max and hope they take it. And the case will be over. But, you know, that's reasonable. You know, this cop got to know he's wrong. You know, he could, you know, plead guilty on an open-ended plea and not with a recommendation. And on the hope that the judge, you know, based on his PSI,

that, you know, if the guy says, look, this was 10 minutes of terribleness. I don't deserve 25 years in jail. So he can't go. This would never be a case where he would offer him a plea and not go to court. That is not a possibility at all, is it? He could take a plea. Let me tell you, he's charged with murder three and he's charged with manslaughter. I mean, I don't think it's possible that the DA would,

so the prosecutor Ellison is going to offer a reduced charge of manslaughter. I think he'd offer an open-ended plea to murder three and let the judge decide. So it could be, this could not even have a jury involved right you know i could see this being a plea and allow you know the cop to argue his case and allow the you know the victim and and the da to argue what they think is justice and then you're putting in the hands of the judge, which is always a throw of the dice. But that's the, you know, if I'm the defense lawyer, I think that's your best shot. I mean, you know, to find 12 people or even three people to stand up and say,

hey, this incredibly guilty guy was not. And, you know, so the sad thing about it, if it goes to a jury of 12, because a lot of motherfuckers don't want to fucking go do jury duty there's so much a chance of that that's the fucking that's another thing that's sickening about it and that's another thing the reason why it's so important to get involved with politics so what if that happens what if the 12 they decide? Look at OJ. Right. I mean, he was guilty. Nah, we don't think that's right.

Nah, fuck that. Black lives matter. That nigga ain't do shit. Yo, OJ ain't do shit, man. Long week to start talking about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't throw. I almost thought I was going to have a conversation with a white person without throwing, looking

OJ in. I almost got an oj free conversation son yo it doesn't matter it doesn't matter it doesn't matter i can have an opinion but it's always oj we need a new man it is always oj it always falls back to him. When you look at jurors and juries. The OJ jury. The OJ jury. You got to look at it. But Dan, he goes to, where is it?

Was it Minnesota? Yeah. Where did he get the burglary charge? Minnesota? Who's that? OJ? No, Vegas. Vegas.

Vegas. Yeah, he stole back his own shit. He stole back. What the shit is he stealing back? But he had rage. You know what, he stole back his own shit. He stole back. He stole back. But he had rage. You know what, Larry? He had fucking rage. And he got distracted.

He had rage. And he, yo, OJ had to be acting off of rage in that moment. He had to be like, I can't believe this motherfucker said how I know this is my picture. Because I'm in it, motherfucker. He had rage. He went up there with a posse. He went up there with a posse. He went up there with a posse and look what the fuck happened. And that's what I'm

trying to explain with my community and then how I feel about this. I know we got rage. I know we got rage, but let's plan it. Let's organize it. And I know they're going to be like, we're going to burn this shit down. Whatever. You have to have a fucking plan. That's the point I'm making. But go back to your OJ story.

Listen, I had a great OJ story. I was a public defender at the time. OJ got stories. I had a great, it was like right during the OJ trial. This guy was a drug dealer. He was a young kid, young black kid. He was like 19 years old. And the mother comes up to me and goes,

you know, what kind of team are you going to assemble to represent my son? I said, it's me. You got me. She goes, that's not fair. OJ has a team. OJ has a team. I want want a team what was the charge what was the charge larry for what drug deal yo he wanted the oj he wanted the oh does he know how much the old day squad cost he just wanted a team he just thought he was unfair they didn't get a team

you wanted to listen you don't get a team you get me, look, you wanted a team. I said, listen, you don't get a team, you get me. So he goes, so the mother then goes to me, what's my chances of winning a trial? I said, listen, it's a hand-to-hand sale, there's a videotape of it. Listen, I'll tell you, between now and the trial, your

son wins the Heisman, he's got a shot. That's the only team he's going to be. He better be on a football team. That's funny as shit. Hey Larry, thank you for the conversation man. Thank you for giving us a legal perspective on what's the possibility

of things going down. Alright? No problem. Have a great one. It was nice talking to you gentlemen. I didn't get your name but it was a pleasure talking to you as well. Javanta Roberts. And David. Have a great day.

Have a great day. Bye. So we got to figure out also. I'm calling everybody. I'm calling the motherfucking black police now. So can we even. Did you hear what I said? Can we even vote for judges?

Because I don't even know. Because he's talking about the judge as a crapshoot, right? No, he's saying. He is. But I think it's our job to governmental officials. That's what we need to figure out. Do they vote on those people? They could be appointed. Yes. Hello? Elliot?

Elliot, how you doing? This is Donnell Rawlins. You probably know my background. Currently a stand-up comic, good friend of Andy. And I was trying to get people, and particularly because I consider myself black and blue. And I say the blue side of me is because I was in the military, and I was a police officer in the military. A lot of my good friends are police officers some retired some still working right and I have a perspective that a lot of people

wouldn't understand as far as my thoughts about what's going on in the black community and my thoughts with the police department and the police you know and um I wanted to talk and I was you know the weird crazy thing is that I've been trying to have conversations with people and I've asked friends could you think and it's a lot of situations that there's black cops out here that not that aren't in a situation they could speak freely on how they

honestly feel about this because of the blue wall you know how do you feel as a retired detective correct? Yes. Retired detective and black retired detective and the events and where we are right now. I really have a problem with it. And I believe a lot of it is because it's a misunderstanding because a lot of

those white police officers, they're not familiar with people in the black community because they're not from there. Most of them get the job, but never been in. In the streets where I was, I was in the streets. Go was. I was in the streets. Go ahead, I'm sorry. Right, right.

They go out there with a perspective from what they see on TV or what their friends may have told them. They have this mentality that they have to be aggressive. And most of them, and this is the truth, 80%

of them are scared. Man, hold up, gunshot. I know I'm putting you in the police. Fuck that. I'm telling you, that gun thing, they're scared, bro. They're scared. Yeah, they're scared.

And the only, you know, they think to themselves that most black guys or black people are aggressive and violent. Yeah, you know, it's like I was just talking to a lawyer earlier. He was like, well, what I would have done in a situation if and if I got pulled over before and I put my hands in the cops and have no problem. I was like, you're a white Jewish dude that look like a fucking lawyer, man. You know what I'm saying? Like in the police department, you around it you know and even in the case even with the case where i call him bad cop you know i'm saying like

like like you know some people just just like just have fear yes because they're racist and that's where most of it is fear I believe because one of the reasons is because most of them can't fight physically right so

they have their weapon so first thing they know to do is shoot that's a natural instinct is when you when you're scared you got two things you do

either fight or flight so why in this case you probably I know you've been around long enough to see things happen that you probably didn't agree with why yeah aren't like black cops checking these motherfuckers why not is it because the blue wall i won't say that necessarily initially i use myself i grew up i'm from patterson and i grew up on 12th avenue open street and uh so the mentality was first of all i was a sellout i crossed over to get that job. Right. Because everybody I've known. And this came from your community. This came from your community. Right.

Right. My father was a longtime fucking heroin dealer. When I went in the military, he found out I was a cop, man. I felt like I let him down. Right. And that's the truth. That's the truth. So I had to deal with that.

Right. Because when I first, you know, I was struggling. So when I first got my job so I had to deal with that because you know I was struggling so when I first got my job I used to walk to work and I worked at night and when I worked the 11th and 7th and so you know I could get a lot of backlash and when I got the job and here's why a lot of officers don't damn you had to walk wait a minute wait. Wait a minute. Wait a minute I just caught that you had to walk from the hood to work in your uniform. Oh

Man I don't know if anybody can picture that shit that is so oh my god God damn they was calling you on type of shit going to work yeah yeah i took a lot of heat man i like it but you know police ass they called you a police ass right yeah yeah yeah that loud everything you could think of i crossed over cross over trying to save a life ass oh my god yeah i know that walk brother go ahead yeah so you know and like now and i'll give you a perfect example so in that i'm just i've got a little energy so in that area that's true. And that's what made, I think,

everybody took a step back with me. I was just a little different. Because I understood, because all my uncles were locked up. All my uncles been to jail. One of my uncles told me when I was getting a job, and I

asked him about it, and he said, don't be stupid. You better take that job. And I was like, wow, if he said it, it's okay. Right. And that's what gave me my courage to move forward with it. But he said take that job because of the idea of the salary, the security, and that part of it. He said take that job because it was a good job right right and granted I was the first person in my family to graduate high school damn I know you probably said

nigga I can't go tomorrow I'm out to lock all these niggas up I'm sorry so you heard that gunshot before. Stop playing. Go ahead. Yeah, yeah. See, that was the one. I was that guy that if a dude said something to me, I was always calm and cool. And I would say to him, like, listen, though, if you got a problem with me, when I get off work tomorrow, we can fight. Right.

And then he was like, oh, you going to get your boys? I said, no, no, no, no, no. This is between me and you. He didn't want to hear that yeah right but it happened a couple times you them up i didn't believe that i would actually give them a one-on-one after i got a word right damn that's some gangster ass right there that's boy that's more cases of tupac and biggie son that's gangster these getting these rubber if the next call me tell him I got shot with a rubber bullet man I'm like man if you don't get the fuck off my

fucking phone yo I know this is wrong but motherfuckers say yo I know this is wrong motherfucker call me every day say man I just got shot I'm like why you phone with me saying he got shot with a rubber bullet I respond and say nigga that is not

enough to start a rap career a rubber bullet who gonna. A rubber bullet? Who going to respect your rubber bullet? So do you think that what, and this happens so often, this happens so often with us, that we kind of black people conditioned for this to happen? Do you think in this case, will there be any change? Will police officers, man man I look at it

like this some cops got to say yo chill because you don't want to feel like every time you go out that a motherfucker is gunning for you you don't want to be that police officer you gotta every anybody's a cop right now gotta be thinking if I get into a confrontation and I've killed somebody this is what's gonna happen do you think that ever play into someone's mindset well I think I think this right here will make a difference and I'll use my my experience as an example when I first got the job and you know I was like the department I was on I was on I would say 85 to 90 percent white crack ass crackers but go ahead man I just feel like I had to say cracker

I'm sorry right and David is it okay Ellie I'm sorry David can I get one you can get a few yeah okay thank you go ahead go ahead a handful go ahead yeah and I had to understand because let me back track a little bit I went in the Marines like since I got out of high school so I went to Desserts Farm

so then when I thank you for your service you're welcome thank you too and I wound up getting the job in the Sheriff's Department so

I had to learn the way they were thinking. So I would hear them say different things. And as time went on, they would do certain things. They would jump on someone. I didn't participate in it. I was just like, no, I'm not doing that because I might have to go to the mall

and I have my daughter and I might see this guy. And then Tim Hickson is going to jump me. Like, that was my mentality. But you didn't say nothing. You turned your back on it. Right. And that's where initially, because I didn't know what to say because I was new.

I was a black guy. Right. So I pretty much had to just shut up. You thought, like, that's how it go down. That's how it goes down. Yes. Right. See, and that goes back it go down. That's how it goes down. Yes, right. See, that goes back to your point. That goes back to your point.

I'm going to cut you off because that's just what I do. And I apologize. That goes back to your point where we need more of, we need more black cops that are from these communities or we just need a black presence in these communities period yes because that's the problem

and I'm going to say this about black people in general they are basically giving the job away because they don't apply for it I can understand that they criticize the officers that take the job but on the platform. I can understand that. They criticize the officers that take the job

but they don't want the job. Right. I know that. That's like most black people in the military. I don't know too many black people that feel like they just want to hear born in the USA all day. They're not as patriotic

as they are they optimistic about having a job it's a job to some people right yeah and i i'm not gonna lie i didn't go to the military for anything else other than the um gi deal to have a job the job gi deal nigga you want to go to korea fuck some korean chicks. I know what it is, man. Yo. I know what it is. I became a police officer because I don't have a talent. Were you in the military? Were you a police officer in the military?

No, no. I was. Boy, I'm telling you, my father found out I was going to be a cop in the military. I let him down. I know this is so goddamn ghetto. You probably know this. You probably can answer to this. My father's a heroin dealer for years.

I mean, he's been half his life, and he passed away. The day he found out I had got locked up, man, it was a proud father moment. I know this sounds fucked up, man. It's so fucked up. But, yo, I do what you do what I'm talking about, man. It was almost like I got my fucking stripes, man. And he looked at me and said, son, he said, I knew. I knew.

Yeah. Like I was about to be Michael Jordan, right? He said, I knew. He said, I'm telling you, Ellie, he looked me right in my face. And I was like to be Michael Jordan, right? He said, I knew. He said, I'm telling you, Ellie, he looked me right in my face. And I was like, yes, Dad. He looked like, I knew out of all my motherfucking kids. And I was like, what, Dad? He said, I knew you was going to be the one.

And I was like, I know, thanks. And that's the crazy thing. That's the crazy thing. All the old heads in my hood, they just told me, we knew you were different. Right. You didn't want to get locked up. Right. They said, you were different. I hung out. I seen them. I seen everything.

It's a huffle in my building. And they just told me, like, listen, we knew he was different. He was different. Why you, so, so you think that this is going to wake up police departments? They're always going to say, we're going to do extra training. We're going to do extra training, community awareness training, whatever. But that's not making a difference. we're going to do extra training community awareness training whatever but that's not making a difference

now I think what's needed is black officers need to step up and be more vocal step up and what? step up and be more vocal talk more say what's going on don't just sit back

listen and watch but that but what that same that same cop has to deal with the consequences you know i was trying to get people on the phone today and they went down to like well we just got a uh enroll call whatever some mandate where we can't speak publicly or we could be reprimanded it or could be held against us. They're saying, shut the fuck up, don't talk to nobody. Right, that's true. But I guess that's where I was different, because once I learned how everything worked, because I remember I had to say two to the street,

because that's where I'm from, and I had to say two to my department, because that was my livelihood. And I had to find a medium and that was the hardest thing I ever had to do in my life. Where did you find the medium between the hood and you being a police officer? The

balance was respect. That was my key to no matter what the situation was, don't be disrespectful. Yo, you know, so I know that sounds so crazy. And this is a different type of situation. I'm telling you, I've been in situations with police officers where I know I was in the wrong.

You know what I'm saying? And I've been in situations where they knew that. They still treated me with some respect. And I respected that. Yes. And that's the key. I truly believe that. As simple as that word is, it's powerful.

It is. It is. And that's what it was. Because when I was on the streets, when I worked undercover, my lieutenant used to always ask me. We knew what you looked like, man. You had the handcuffed prints in the back of your pocket with the hat on backwards and the motherfucking boots.

Nigga, I know what you was wearing. I never had my badge. I always kept my badge in my backpack. Yeah, but you wanted to be a cop, but you didn't want to look uncopied at all. You was like clean shaved and shit. No, I had my stuff going. I had my beard.

I had a braid in my hair. Oh, shit. Damn, son. I bought weed from you. Yeah, I had a braid. I had a full beard, braid. But I always was just humble. And my lieutenant asked me, Elliot, why do everybody still respect you?

Why do they like you? I said, because they know I'm not going to do anything wrong to them. Right. So, police department needs to respect the community, and the community,

it's going to be a hard sell, Elliot. It's going to be a hard sell to, y'all right now, niggas mad as shit, man. It's going to be a hard sell elliot it's gonna be a hard sell to y'all right now niggas mad as shit man it's gonna be a hard sell to sell how do you respect people that don't follow the rules you know what i mean it's like inviting someone to your house and being like yeah yeah yeah and then he's like fucking shitting in your in your closet and says oh yeah well that's just what i do you know but how do you respect a racist yeah but even above and beyond racism which is like the deepest deepest waters

what about just following the rules and not killing people i know you're not racist i know you said respect a racist but i know you say that and i know that's your biggest thing with it right but like i'm pretty sure that i've made money with racists of course i'm pretty sure i've worked with races whatever but i've never worked with those persons where their views cost me money or anything like that. Or murdered you. Or murdered me. Yeah. I think it's the most important thing to focus on the one thing that we know is true.

These people are murdering people. It's one thing just to be upset with somebody because they're racist, but it's another thing like your racist views, how does that affect me? Thank you. Because you're not going to ever erase racism. but like what are you doing my thing is what are you doing with your racist motherfucker yeah are you telling me are you telling me i said peanut butter and jello you telling me we ain't got no more peanut butter like that race don't that shit i don't give a fuck about that are you but as your race is stopping somebody from getting a job or is this

going to cause you to hurt me you know i'm saying because we're never going to get rid of... Like someone getting angry because somebody is racist, that means they're going to probably be angry for the rest of their fucking life. Because it's everywhere. Well, that's the root of police brutality. I don't understand what your point is. What did you say earlier? I think once you establish respect,

then you establish the trust. See, because a lot of people, you know, they don't respect them because they don't trust them. They don't trust them because they don't have respect for them. I just, it's still. But also, Elliot, let me ask you a question. Do you think police break the laws and get away with it? Yes. How can I respect that?

How can I respect someone that I can't, how can I trust someone that doesn't follow the rules? I don't know what's going to happen. He pulls me in the back alley. Hold on, let me check your pockets real quick. Hold on, come here. What are you doing? Come here, let me check you out real quick.

Pulls me in the back alley, eats the fuck out of me because of what I look like or what I- Okay, I'm going to take that. I'm going to bring you on the black side right now. No, your same question, but how did me as a black man... I'm saying, I know it's you. It's not me. I just want to take the question. Alright, y'all. I'm just going to put it

back on black. As a black man with a white voice. There you go. I'm saying for you. For black people, obviously. It's not happening to me. Although I have been beat by police, but then they just... My nigga! You want to answer this question, Elliot?

Yes. The way I look at that is My nigga! You want to answer this question, Elliot? Well, yeah. The way I look at that is, first, the officers have to be familiar with the neighborhood. Once the officers become familiar with the neighborhood, and the neighborhood know them, they know the neighborhood, that would eliminate part of it. But you get a lot of people that's not from the neighborhood that's not familiar with the neighborhood so they go there and they think the only way to get respect is to do something illegal.

Yeah, but motherfuckers just don't want to hear that. Yo, I'm telling you, Elliot, I understand what you're saying, man. This is a person with rational thoughts. But motherfuckers right now, like, they mad, bro motherfuckers right now like they mad bro like like right now like the conversation you're saying like if we might could revisit that after we get these other police officers in court get them convicted on manslaughter charges which is probably gonna happen already prepare yourself for they're only going to do the third the one

the two three and four motherfuckers they probably be in jail for seven or eight years the number one motherfucker the max he can get is 25 we talked to larry weissman about that he's probably gonna take something less than that so the reality of that is that this motherfucker is going home he's going to go home george floyd ain't never going home i appreciate i appreciate your honesty and i appreciate the story about like the, the story, like, man, that's fucking tragic. You fucking black guy walking through the hood to go be a police officer. I know your fucking shit was fucked up.

I'm not even surprised that you ain't saying fuck them niggas. You know? But, Elliot, I'm just, I'm worked up right now. But like, how do you, as a black police officer, how can, what do you think the black community needs to do with that rage? What do you think as a black cop, a retired black cop, this guy walked from the hood to this precinct to work, what? You know, because i think the all i think first person let me say this i think

the black officers they might not can't they don't might not have a um a podium to stand on to make a speech but they can talk to each individual person that they work with to give them an insight on, like, yo, man, what they might or might not be doing right or wrong. So now when it comes to the neighborhood. Same thing Tekashi69 did, but go ahead, continue your thought. You have to, like, they don't trust the police right now, and it's understandable. And what they have, they're going to have to, like, pretty much take a stand. And the saddest thing, they might have to, you know, there's always casualties in war. So they might have to do some things that might get them in trouble to gain respect.

Right, so they got to walk together. They got to walk together. You can't leave your man. You got to walk together. That's what me dealing with me, I ain't trying to be extra civil rights, but I'm saying to myself, you know what? I'm more excited about talking about this than talking about writing a fucking joke.

But with that said, I'm like this, I got to still earn a living, right? And I told one of my wife and I say, bro, when these companies or so-and-so don't want to work with me anymore, you better donate to my nonprofit. He was like, what is it? I said, United Negro Lotion Fund, right? I said, yo, he said, I will write the check today

to support your future unemployment. And I was like, yes, and that's a big part of it. It's got to be. We're going to see. I mean, I'm glad to have your future unemployment. And I was like, yes. And that's a big part of it. It's got to be. We're going to see. I mean, I'm glad to have your perspective. And it was cool to, I think the general consensus is going to be with any cop that we call is that

this shit wasn't right. But what do you do about it? I appreciate your story. And this whole podcast is about trying to take anger, trying to take rage, trying to, as angry as we are. Man, I was in the motherfucking goddamn March yesterday and it felt fucking good.

It felt really good. It felt amazing. It felt amazing. I'm going to tell you because I was in the house watching it on TV and I was getting news that they wanted to give me and all I was saying was like how many times this motherfucker coming out of Rite Aid I mean you know I'm like yo niggas ain't coming out with no Rite Aid shots like dudes was coming out with like baby powder and shit like yo these Rite Aid niggas was knocking niggas over this nigga was knocking niggas over with aspirin, Doritos, and shit. I'm like, and some people are just criminal-minded.

Like, I saw motherfuckers looking like, nigga, I got to go in there. Why? Because we stealing away free shit, right? And yo, I was like, oh my God. Because on the news, that's all you see. Yo, but when I walked in that goddamn parade, bro, when I walked in that motherfucking parade, man,

I didn't see none of that. I didn't even see right. I walked right past the white eight. I walked in that goddamn parade, bro, when I walked in that motherfucking parade, man, I didn't see none of that. I didn't even see right. I walked right past the Rite Aid. I walked right past. We walked right past the Rite Aid. Yo, the positive march rolled right past the Rite Aid. So we waved at the Rite Aid niggas. I'm like, if y'all in there, nigga, give me some dollar paper or something, nigga.

Yo, what part of the march y'all wanted to be in? Nigga, I wasn't mad at them right a niggas saying they keep talking about right hey yo hey yo man i'm so sick of right aid man listen all the right aids in the future of marching board your up yo man listen man elliot yo they got a job now for niggas to do this. Yo, Home Depot is good right now, son. Them Puerto Rican, them Latino niggas is over there like, what job, yo. They, what job you do?

Yo, every, when I was going past, I'm not joking. When I was going past Hollywood, I was going to Hollywood Boulevard, right? I thought I was, all I kept hearing was zzzz, right? Hey, son, listen, every zook nigga was a Latino motherfucker. I didn't see one Black Lives Matter nigga like

just zzzz, zzzz. Yo, all I heard, yo, all I heard, I was like, these niggas getting money. Yo, they, all, yo, this all I heard, yo, all I heard, I was like, these niggas getting money. Yo, this all I heard, I swear to God, before the ball, all I heard was. Yo, them niggas getting paid. Yo, big business. They had this one chick, fake Fionaiona some white chick she went to get she they getting like moments yeah

thank you so much thank you so much Good job guys Yo thank you Am I lying Yo this white girl She didn't want to But she wanted to get the shot Like this is what I'm doing That bitch got out the car

She was like excuse me She said can I borrow your drill really quick? That nigga was like, that was some more money. This nigga about to, he's zzzz. And he about to get something on the side. You know, a zzz shot is $10 at least. We do know that, right? Yo, that bitch had that, yo, she ain't even try to,

bitch ain't even had a shit in the nail part of that. She just did like this. Zzzz, she didn't even go zzz. She just like this. Then she said, oh, thank you so much. Really appreciate it. Thank you. Them niggas got in the car and rolled off.

You know, it's zzz, zzz, motherfuckers. Yo. Huh. Always got to find a bit somewhere. If you, not even a bit. No, that was a good bit. That's not a bit. That life, this is life. It's not you let me let me explain something the toughest

time to be a comedian right now is right now because everybody is telling you don't be funny everybody's like you know i live for funny every day a motherfucker's like don't be funny donnell don't oh i do a joke i almost quit civil rights the other day yo sunday i was done dearie i was gonna say it's all on you i was like you got this right you just got every yo god damn it what i lost i'm so what about i just said i just it's hard to be funny right it's like they try to tell me don't be funny right now they're gonna try to tell me when i think it's funny they're gonna try to tell me when i think it's funny they're trying to and i felt like i know this is crazy but i felt like shut up and dribble

you know i felt like i felt like shut up and dribble you know i know you know me as a comedian but i felt like shut up and dribble you know i felt like what is that police that's you ellie that's some police shit? Yo, I was like, you can't tell me that. There's a funny situation, everything. There's a funny, a joke can be too soon, but never can be too soon for a funny observation. They're actually telling you to stop dribbling.

Because when they say shut up and dribble, it's when people are getting political and getting serious. And you're trying to be funny. And they're like, hey, man. I'm never trying to be funny. No, you're being funny. man, stop dribbling. I'm never trying to be funny. No, you're being funny. Yeah, that's just natural. I'm never trying.

They're like, yo, stop dribbling. I know you write down you're funny. I know you write down you're funny. But here's the point of me when I went to the fucking march and shit, right? I got off the couch, whatever, stopped watching it, then I became a part of it

and the shit felt good. It felt amazing. I felt like, I was like was like this yeah I'm gonna say so what's up to my niggas and everything right this is what I'm saying oh my niggas gonna be down here right it took me three blocks before I saw a black person it was all the black lives matters was white people yeah it was Spanish people they was Asian people where were you back yeah yeah I was at the front and it was all black people you know what you know what all right you was in the front let me tell you something there are a lot of white I know you'd be worrying about Corona is

it they could get a double corona test nigga cuz if you was at the front you was in the corona area nigga don't even try it you was up front with the corona side you was probably Corona's side cuz I'm telling you I'm down for March like You was up front with the Corona, son. You was up front with the Corona, son. Because I'm telling you, I'm down for a march like any nigga down for a march. I was distancing. Yo, listen. Yo, when I walked to that march, son, and I saw all these motherfuckers with no masks, I was like, what the fuck is going on?

I was like, back the fuck up. Yo, anybody that videotaped me, Elliot, anybody that videotaped me that day, they heard me, the first words out of my mouth, before black lives matter before no justice no peace before fuck the police the first words out of my mouth this is what i said elliot you walk those streets in the hood i say yo what a nigga put a mask on nigga i told him yo i them. They wasn't socially. Yo, I was like, what the fuck y'all doing? Them three rows, Corona the fuck up. The first rows, Corona the fuck up. You know what I'm saying?

Like, this movie has got people. Niggas are still sleeping on Corona. I mean, on Corona. Floyd got niggas sleeping on Corona, nigga. Yeah. They got Floyd and Rona. Floyd was the only thing. Think about it. Floyd was the only thing. Think about it.

Floyd was the only thing to stop motherfuckers thinking about Corona. I wouldn't stop thinking about that shit. Can you imagine like, like, man, if this shit don't spike in three weeks, they ain't no Corona. Yo, ain't no Corona. Cause them niggas, do you know how you already know how far your particles six feet right this without no rage this is what rage is straight talking there's no rage added to it it ain't no fist it ain't no fist it ain't no bullhorn nigga i ain't touching that nay bullhorn nigga fuck that's sanitized yo you like with this when you imagine this, your projection is six feet. Now you like this.

Fight the power! Yo, you like this. Yo, listen to how, look at the range. Like, y'all better get y'all shit on, nigga. Right here like this. No justice, no peace! Nigga, that's 12 feet right there. 12 feet of Rona.

I'm trying to tell y'all protesters, motherfuckers, yo, I understand, right? Put the right put the mask on but if this don't i'm waiting for the fifth wave fifth wave coming these margins is gonna start the fifth wave yeah they don't even talk about the corona on the news the corona don't talk about them is like in each other face and yo think about it don't give about corona the buses they got for the curfew motherfuckers man them niggas them buses they got buses they just throwing you in there mask and no mask floyd didn't fucking kill tirona yesterday but yo bro it's a lot yeah think about it nigga i rode i stayed in the back of the parade, nigga. I stayed in the back.

I said, oh, yeah, this is more of social distancing back here. Got in the car, meet him around the corner. You know? That third row is dangerous. Elliot, thank you for your perspective. Thank you for your honesty. You know what I'm saying? I know I didn't fuck with you, an idiot, because you ain't got. Thank you for your honesty. You know what I'm saying?

I know why they ain't fuck with you, an idiot. Because you ain't got no copy voice either, man. So that's why they was like, listen to you too. Yeah, well, they don't want this problem. Oh, shit. That nigga said, don't let this voice fool you, nigga. Mike Tyson had this voice too. That nigga tore a nigga's ass up. Andy, I tell you, I got a whole other story. Oh, don't, boy. This motherfucker getting excited about his ass whooping stories and shit like

that time I'm up for y'all say get the car nigga black black thank you but I didn't care I didn't care I'll tell him listen man don't run You don't want these problems. Oh, shit. You tell them straight up. Oh, that's probably the scariest shit in the world for you to say, take that badge and gun off, and a motherfucker actually do it to you like this. It was a joke, nigga. All right. Thank you. They know.

Andy, I smile all the time. Oh, shit, man. I'm scared. I swear, this is the truth. Andy told me this maybe about 10, 15 years ago. He said to me, he said, hey, shit, I'm scared. I swear, this is the truth. Andy told me this maybe about 10, 15 years ago. He said to me, he said, hey, George, everybody laughs at everything you say, but they don't realize you always tell the truth. Everybody laughs at everything.

Because I'm always smiling. Yo, that feels, that's so much, god damn, man, that feel like monster. Everybody laughs at what you say, but you're always telling the truth. Yeah, and I smile all the time. That's me. You hardly ever see my facial expression change. Even when I say I'm about to, I'm going to beat you up. I don't curse. I don't say I'm going to

fuck you up or nothing like that. I say I'm going to beat you up. Oh, nigga, that sounds like yo, that sounds so confident. I'm telling you, people are not fucking with that cop. They are not fucking with the cops. Say, you know what? You're right.

I am a bitch ass police nigga. But what I'm going to do is, yo, I'm going to take this badge off everything. And I want you to meet me over there. They ain't coming, son. They not coming, son. They not coming. I'll tell them. I'm going to fight you.

I said, when I go to court, we can fight. All right. It's that simple. We can fight when I go to court. But we ain't trying to fight. That'm going to fight you. I said, when I go to court, we can fight. All right. It's that simple. We can fight when I go to court. But we ain't trying to fight. That's why I called you. I'm glad that you feel the same way a lot of people feel, not just in America, but I think it's the difference between what's going on right now and the dead.

The world is finally affected by racism, not at different times, but at the same time. And what's it going to take? The police are going to have to prove themselves. The police are going to what? They're going to have to prove themselves to regain the trust of the community. You know what? I got your perspective. I want to make one more phone call because all these emotions,

the perspective from the police officer, the perspective from Javanta, Deary, and, like, this is the point. See, this is when I say organize. We need to, niggas gonna say this corny, a strategist. Somebody can help you take all these energies, all this shit together. So I thank you for your time, man. And I

appreciate you following me. I appreciate you being a close friend to my man Bearded. And stop whooping the motherfuckers ass behind the playground, man. Alright. Peace. Take it easy. Don't playground, man. All right. Peace. Take it easy. Tell him to leave me alone. I will.

All right. All right. Yo, it's so funny because I'm telling you, his voice was scary. A soft-toned motherfucker like that. And I see the picture of him, right? I was like, oh, shit, yeah. If that big motherfucker said you're a detainee-looking motherfucker, if he says, I'm going to beat you up, can you imagine the nigga telling you that? Because you just got this nigga. When I see you, nigga. He says, I'm going to beat you up. Can you imagine the nigga telling you that?

Because you just got this nigga, when I see you nigga, he said, I'm going to beat you up. And every morning, oh man, I hope she's available.

She's been on the show. I just wanted to, Jovanto here keep getting mad at me and shit. She talking about somebody don't know how to articulate.

She don't know how to communicate her thoughts without getting upset and pissed off. I'm not upset upset i'm not i'm overall yes but not at you yeah you are mad at me i see it on your face you're gonna love me again you will i was like that's why i'm saying when you get mad at me i don't give a fuck what you're gonna not love me no more uh i know it's like that's what real friendship is about. Like, be mad, bitch, but I'm going to call you tomorrow.

Like, anyway, and all I got, I know with you, all I know I got to do is get you to be my friend again. It's so simple. All I got to do is fry some strips and she forget everything, sir. She'll be like, he's stupid. There's no angry shit. We just was trying to say you was all overly civil rights. And you was mad at me because I only went to one march.

What did you say? You said this nigga go to one rally. Yeah, you don't know how to act. And don't know how to act. Yeah, you don't know how to act. She said your little one rally. Look, she like this. Ergona.

Trayvon Martin. Breonna Taylor. Right back. Hello? Hello, can you hear me? I can't please. Oh, you got to call me right back because I'm at the end and I just need to bring everything to a head because you can't talk right now?

Hold on. Okay, all right. Because I need you right now because Javanta been mad at me the whole fucking show, Sarah. You coming back? She said hold on. She said hold on. I know. Yeah, can you hear me?

Yeah. Yeah, I can hear you. Okay, here's the story. Javanta's been mad at me the entire show. Who's been mad at you? Javanta. Javanta, why? Hey, Javanta.

I'll tell you why. Because she keep out Trying to out black me No that is not at all We have differences In opinions But also Agreeing on the same thing He doesn't know

How to articulate His thoughts properly Oh my god We have talked to him About making sure We Wait a minute We

Who is we This is she said Sarah And I'm so honest This is she said She said Maybe y'all have been Talking about me

Because Y'all You know what Now that I think about it Y'all have had a discussion'm so honest with you, this is what she said. She said, maybe y'all have been talking about me. Because, y'all, you know what, now that I think about it, y'all have had a discussion. No, we haven't. Okay, well, this is what you said, Donnell. This is what you said. I said something, Sarah, and I said, anyway. And she was like, it's because you don't know how to articulate. That's what she said.

And I was like, that's what you think of me? And she said, yes. And I was like, does everyone think about me like this? Right, sir? I was like, does everyone think about this? And then I was like this. It doesn't matter if y'all think like this because I know that I have a problem articulating some of my thoughts. That's why I have a strategist.

Right. Okay? Sarah, Sarah, have we not had this conversation about sometimes like my shit is a little too street and I call you for words and stuff. Have we not had this conversation? We have, right? Okay, I can't. Hold on one second. Can you hear me?

Yeah, I can hear you. Can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you. So, Sarah, me not being able to always articulate my thoughts, we've had this conversation, right? Yeah. always articulate my thoughts we've had this conversation right yeah and you said that you know that's why i call you a lot because i don't want to lose my thought or my message when not being able to articulate my shit the right way okay absolutely yeah so and i know that everything that's going on in the world you've been upset right i've been upset javanta is more upset like to me like she got black gloves and everything right she's entitled to right right she's entitled to her own level of outrage and you know what that

is the right way and guess what i respect and appreciate her level outrage what i'm trying to what i'm trying to say is manage it in a certain way so we wasn't coming i think we were talking the same thing but it was being expressed a different way with her and her energy and the rage i'm like i've seen it before i've seen people get upset i know what happens when we like fight i know what happens when we march whatever but are we making steps and what do we do to be able to communicate a different way and i know that people will say sarah everybody's going to say but we just we're sick of this it's over and over and over and over again it's wishful thinking to think this but at the same time with her rage with deary's rage with my anger about wanting to bring some awareness to what's going on,

how do we put everybody together and have a plan? Or is there a plan? Well, you know, here's what I think. I'm coming into this conversation not with the full scope of what they say. The full scope, Sarah, is that I was right and she was wrong. Oh, okay. Well, you know I'm never going to be able to just say yes, right, to that because I'm not there. And here's the thing.

I think, you know, in my whole platform, because we have been talking about this, Donnell, is to have meaningful conversation, you got to move out of the blame-centric mentality. Oh, Sarah. Hello, Sarah. Sarah. All right, Sarah. I'm going to have to call you right back. I'll call you right back.

I'm going to try to get a better connection. Somebody's holding a thought, but I'm going to call you right back. Wi-Fi? Are back. Wi-Fi. Are you on Wi-Fi? No. Should I do it? Wi-Fi?

FaceTime audio usually works better. Done now? Yes. Do you have an iPhone or you have a Samsung or something? No, I have an iPhone. I don't know why. They suggested that FaceTime audio would be better, but you sound better now. So the question was, how do you take rage? How do you take rage? How do you take no understanding? How do you take someone wants to learn, wants to be involved? How do you make a

plan? Yeah. And so I would say that when you talk about words like rage and anger, those are in our emotional state. And it's hard to hear and move forward with planful actions when you are still sitting in a place of a highly charged emotional state such as rage or anger. And you can't deny people those emotions you have to let people have those emotions which are they are it's the same as grief it's the same as grief it's the same as mourning and we all mourn differently we all feel things differently and so the first thing is to not disarm someone's emotion, but to tell them we are on different sides of where we are emotionally in response to this civil unrest.

And you are entitled to the emotions that you feel. I keep saying the same thing, sir. Okay. But what I'm saying, no, no, you're not letting me finish. But at some point we do need to get, sir, no, you're not letting me finish. Okay. But at some point, we do need to get to a point. Sarah, I got that just in case it gets too crazy. Plan of action. No, I just busted you out. You got to get to a plan of action.

Sorry, go ahead. So to get to a plan of action, you have to say. Javanda, you want to write this down? No, listen, I just want her to take notes because you're just validating all of my brilliant thoughts. We had the same thoughts, Sarah. Like, we definitely had the same thoughts. But go ahead. I will not interrupt you.

Thank you, Devanta. Because, you know, he called me, right? At least I got a strategist. But go ahead. So when you get to a plan of action, you got to out what your what's your aspiration so you might have an aspiration to make a plan but under on what talking point is it short term is it long term am i attacking overt racism big r racism covert racism small r racism like fragility and the school to prison pipeline and so many other many other small actions that lead to marginalization.

Well, Sarah, I know my short term. Okay, you say figure out. What's your short term goal? Okay, here's my short term goal. This is what I was trying to get you, Vanja, and no disrespect. I agree with you 100%. Short term goal. As much as we feel like the system has to be changed,

as much as we feel like we want people to think better, as much as we say all that, the short term is that these three cops that are out here, they need to be changed as much as we feel like we want people to think better as much as we say all that the short term is that these three cops that are out here they need to be arrested that's my short term that's my short term that's 100 my short term so you're going to put your action towards raising the awareness that one they've not been arrested yet. Where this motherfucker at? There you go. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Okay. Two, what's the short term is to continue to use your platform to create actual things that people can do to ensure the arrest or to activate the arrest.

They can continue to protest with the clear statement. Sometimes this message is getting murky. So if you are really trying to say, I'm calling for their arrest, then that's your platform, call for their arrest. That's what you can do in the short term. Write the three objectives. I am going to use my platform to call for their arrest. I'm going to continue every day to state that they've not been arrested. I'm going to give the people that listen to my show some actions. Write to your congressman. Do X, Y, and Z.

One, two, three. Be very clear. Don't mix your methods. Now, hers might be a more long-term, right? Jovanta, what's your long-term? Hers could be short-term or long-term. We both had the same short-term. My short-term goal was to police reform,

breaking down the system and rebuilding. She just said short term and she said long term. And that's what I was trying to say. That's what I was trying to say. You didn't even mention your short term in our argument. You didn't mention the three arrests. Yes, I did. I did.

He mentioned the three arrests. David, you did. I did. He mentioned the three arrests. David, you were there. Was I there? Yes. The same conversation. I remember hearing about the arrests. Exactly. My point.

That's all my point. Okay. So all I'm trying to get us to do is even in the same conversation that we had the last time that I was on your show. But Sarah, I know this is frustrating. How do we declare our intention? How do we declare our intention? Declare our intention. But I have it recorded too, Sarah. Yeah, I know this is frustrating. How do we declare our intentions? How do we declare our intentions? But I have it recorded too, Sarah. Yeah, I hear the recording.

It feels like I got proof. But here again, about that proof, let's make it less about who was right or who was wrong and advance the conversation to now what's next. I think that's the biggest thing. Sometimes we actually lose sight of the actual message because we start wordsmithing and nitpicking on a blame

platform as opposed to, oh, wait a minute, did I hear you say correctly? We both want to do something with the police. Mine is short term, yours is long term. At least we're working on the same aspiration. That's how you move forward. You're absolutely

right. Okay? I said it go ahead go ahead Sarah yes I'm here yeah okay so that's my thought thank you for letting me share my perspective oh no we got more questions oh you do that's just out the gate I just want to let you know that i'm right and she's wrong did you not hear what she just said i did he obviously didn't you know what part of the brain he's activating in right no no what i'm saying is okay what you're upset i'm upset people are saying this is over and over again and what i say say is that we are, like you said, with the short term and the long term, like this happens way too often where black people are conditioned to it. It's almost like we expect it, which I think is sad, expect it to happen. What makes this time different than all the other times?

Maybe you can help me get people to understand this. I think the difference is we got to organize together and we have to have a plan. Yeah, we have to have a plan. And, you know, so many people are saying that, that we have to have a plan. And on either side of race or humanity, you know, people don't really, we're not really good.

A lot of people are good at talking about things, but being planful, being strategic, sitting down, taking the time to write it and then executing it. You know, I just was talking to a group of people right before I hung up the phone, you know, to talk to you, whether or not they should post a black box right today. And I said, you post a black box, make sure you're down with that black box for a lifetime, not for the moment. Right. You post that black box.

Make sure that you can commit beyond the post, beyond the riot, beyond the riot, beyond the march, and sit down and find out what you can do that's actionable. So if you want to make a plan, find the platform. Because you know, and we've been talking about this by now, my platform is fragility. You say, why now? Why such outrage now? Because we are tired of being outraged so a frat and

the words of mystical Sarah Sarah in the words of mystical in the words of mystical sick and tired of being sick and tired you got a problem we'll be getting high Thank you.