Donnell - Dr Umar

Episode Date: October 3, 2024

In this Episode Donnell is joined by Dr. Umar. A joke could be too soon, but it could never be too soon for a funny observation. This episode is sponsored by Hims (https://www.hims.com/donnell). This episode is sponsored by PrizePicks. Go to http://www.prizepicks.com to get $50 instantly when you play $5. This episode is sponsored by Sheath (https://www.sheath.com). Use offer code DONNELL for 20% off and free shipping! Buy Donnell Socks Now: https://www.store.donnellrawlings.com Sponsor Donnell: https://public.liveread.io/media-kit/donnell Dr. Umar Website: https://www.drumarjohnson.com/ Dr. Umar TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@princeofpanafrikanism Dr.Umar Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drumarjohnson/?hl=en Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I can not be in a toxic relationship with a nigga I work with. You're creating the toxic environment. See, but this is a part of the problem. And this is part of where the toxicity comes from. You know what I mean? Come on. Come on. Come on. No, not the socks.

Yo, y'all. If you don't get it, I suck. This is just what it is. We're just gonna, like, just edit right here. Why do you need to put this is funny i'm not showing up for the podcast anymore too much bullshit and every time i leave i'm stressed out it's not a good environment for me and you don't get it i have enough stress in my life and shouldn't have to go to work and feel this way i've done everything i could to make it a good environment and you keep fucking it up.

I will not continue to be clowned. I don't want the episodes edited. I want to have someone else edit them. And I won't be there for Dr. Umar. I don't want to produce this podcast with you anymore. Today I saw who you are, and you have no respect for me. And I don't like your sense of humor. Can't do this with you anymore.

You're very toxic. Dr. Umar and I have shared oh so many happy Garvey Day celebrations, text messages, and pleasant musings. It was so much work to get him to do it and I feel like I've made a new friend. Could we close it out with Dr. Umar? I know he's excited to talk with you and her. Be sure to bring up Obama doing drugs and sucking dick. Unfortunately, Don L's running a little bit late. Okay, how late is he running? He said like five to ten minutes late.

If you want, we can ping you back when he's here. Sure, sure. Just shoot me a text when he's there and I'll tap right back in. Okay. Thank you, doctor. Alright. No problem. Hey, so Donnell said he's running another 15 minutes and that he's really, really sorry and it was his baby

mama's fault and he hopes you understand. We're really, really sorry. No problem. Time in the place is very deeper-ish. be mama's fault and he hopes you understand and we're really really sorry well no he's on zoom oh yeah okay okay okay I thought he was in your studio right that's bullshit so then why does. I thought he was in your studio, right?

That's bullshit. So then why does Donnell have to be in the studio? Why can't he be on film too? Does he not know how to operate something? Does he not get a grandma or something? He's a little bit like a grandma, yeah. Oh, fucking Donnell. Like, what world is he living in?

He's going to get taken over by AI. He's the type of person that don't want AI to program. What the hell do we do now? Really quick, just so I can have a take of this just for the podcast and make it fun and editing. Could you give me a take of being like a little upset right now and not sure if you're going to make it so I can make this a little bit melodramatic just to have fun with it so like that you're really upset with Donnell and you're not sure if you're gonna wait 20 minutes so we can make it a little melodramatic in the editing um, nah, we'll wait until that fucker runs up the ramp okay thank you Dr. Nguyen. I appreciate you. Umar?

Yes, sir. How's your day going, sir? I'm well, I'm well. Awesome. He should be parking and coming on board. All right. Happy Pan-Africanism to you, my brother. Absolutely.

Awesome. He did use a good Garvey day as an excuse. No, come on, don't do that. All right. Don't do that. Don't do that. What right. Don't do that. What's up? What's going on?

How's everything? First of all, I want to thank you for taking your time out of taking the time out of your busy schedule to talk to a person like me, and I'm just going to do my disclaimer before. I have, I'm not a bunny hopper. I have hopped. I went to a ditty party, and I don't use a lot of lotion so i don't know if that's an introduction for you to not want to talk to me but but yes i want to say this uh

first off i appreciate you i appreciate you the way a lot of people appreciate you and i know your platform it's all not always but a lot of things that you talk about is your feelings toward interracial, interracial dating, interracial relationships. And I did a joke on my special and I was a little nervous about that joke because I saw you post it. And because I wanted to I had a certain feeling about a certain thing, but also didn't want to dismiss what your efforts have been in a black community as far as educating us on who we are, where we came from and where we, where we need to go. First of all, did you think the goddamn joke was funny? Oh, absolutely. I was nervous when I saw your page. I'm like, Oh shit. Somebody deleted, man. I'm in trouble right now. Nah, nah. It was all good. It was all good it was all love yes sir so for for for and people i think the biggest resistance people had about your mission how you feel is like they

always paint the picture is what's wrong with someone being in love with the person they in love with how do you feel on that and people to have that stance that love is love and it shouldn't be defined by your skin color? I would start by answering that question with a quote from the late, great Fred Hampton, chairman of the Illinois Black Panther Party, when he said everything is political. And I completely believe that everything is political, especially for black people, African people. So whatever decisions we make in our personal life or our professional life, we always have to be conscious of the ramifications that those decisions have, not just for ourselves, but for our extended African family as well. And when I look at the interracial dating and marriage situation, it's normally a lose-lose for Black women who are the last married and the first divorced. Only 25% of our women will ever get proposed to. And so when I look at the extreme lack of options for Black men and turn around and see how often we date outside of our community, which we do more than any other group of men. And we do more per capita than all other men in America put together.

I think we definitely have to explore the possibility that there's something else at work here that cannot be completely explained by random occurrence and love for the opposite person do you think that in some cases with black women this is going to be a tough one i'll probably be canceled or whatever do you believe that there is the notion that sometimes black women damn i'm going out on a limb when i say this brother don. Don't know when to shut the fuck up. That could be true for some sisters. Is there art to it? Is there science to it?

Because I do know that they're never going to shut the fuck up. But there's a possibility of learning the art and knowing when, timing of when to shut up. But here's the thing, uh, brother Donnell, it's not just our women who need to learn the art of when to express their anger and when to hold it. Our men need to learn it as well. I think it is a goodness of fit. And I,

but don't you think that they should learn us before? Cause I always hear the question. Like, uh, I want the King, the Queen, the king, the queen analogy. Do you think it's something to be said about a woman should treat I think it has to be us as men. And I say that for three reasons, Brother Donnell. Number one, black women have been charged with raising our children with almost no masculine support for about 50 years now but isn't part of raising children is not an easy thing but they've had to do that almost by themselves it couldn't something that be contribute to brothers getting locked up shouldn't that oh it is i'm not saying black men are

exclusively to blame for that without question the war against black men is the reason why our sisters have had to raise the children, you know, by themselves. But be that as it may, the fact remains that 67 percent of our children are raised by women alone. OK, and mom pay the bills, deal with her own issues medically, psychologically and otherwise, and then turn around and be told that she's not humble enough for men. I can understand why sisters might react to that. But Omar, don't you think that men need to be men? Don't you think that men need to step to the plate? Don't you think that men need to be responsible for their kids? I have a young son. I do. I have a young son right now. now and my dad my dad passed away four years ago i have a nine-year-old son and i remember my dad chose a lifestyle he was a street guy he chose a lifestyle he didn't give

him opportunity to spend as much time with all of his kids i can actually count the memories that i have with my father on my hand good memories i'm I'm not shitting on him or anything. And now with me having a son, I told myself, I made a pledge to myself that my son is going to have an endless amount of memories and I won't be, I won't be that dad that my, my dad was. I looked at, I looked at my son the other day at nine years old. And I remember at nine years old, my father was locked up. I can't even imagine that. So as much as I understand that you say we need to celebrate our black women or whatever, but I do think that men need to step to the plate more and hold those responsibilities, be loyal to the women and take care of their kids.

Do you also think this is what I think, too. Do you think that the black community is the biggest threat to the black community it's the second biggest threat and the reason why the black community is not the number one threat to itself is we are not organized enough to be the number one threat to ourselves so how do we get organized how do we get organized i'm gonna tell you i'm gonna be straight honest right now i get so frustrated with our community because we do know the problem but we don't have the solution when do we as black people get our shit together and say enough is enough i saw another post you had said something about i guess the um

uh the uh i guess the nail people some you did these fuck what was it was about us running like nail salons why don't we do this why don't we support why don't why don't we support ourself and why don't we get managed to say, fuck this, something has to change because people look at you as this. And I talk a lot. I'm excited about this. People look at you like Omar knows all the problems on his platform. He talks about all the problems, but what are the solutions to the problems?

Institutions are 50% of the solution. And what i mean by that brother donnell we need to create our own infrastructure that we used to have back in the days of black wall street the tosa the rosewood the charlestons the wilmington north carolinas so forth and so on. When we had our own, we feared much better. Why do we lose it? How do we say that again? You said when we had our own, how do we lose our own? How do we leave that mentality of the black white supremacy came and destroyed it? White supremacy came and destroyed it. Systemic destruction of independent Black communities. But with that being said, though, we also have to keep in mind that the second and third generation of children from those Black Wall Streets did not value them enough to go back and rebuild them. Once integration came, the grandchildren

of these Black Wall Streets, many of them decided that I would much rather live in a white community. I would much rather go to a hospital in a white community. I would much rather shop in a white community. But why is that? Integration was the economic destabilization of black America. But then isn't that a case of us not supporting ourself? And I look at it. Self-love is at the heart. Self-hatred is at the heart of every problem we have in Black America. It's the reason why when there's a police killing, we riot.

And there's nothing wrong with rioting because you need to get the attention of the power structure. So I'm not against a riot, but the riot, the revolt never becomes a revolution. It never becomes an economic revolution. It never becomes a political revolution. It never becomes a cultural revolution because there's not enough love there. The one thing you need to proactively build for your community is love. Because when you love each other, you don't mind how much money you put in. When you love each other, you don't mind how much time you put in. When you love each other, you don't mind how much you sacrifice.

But Dr. Umar, what you're saying is- Black people don't have enough love to work together. But what you're saying is, again, to my point, that the problem what is what is the solution i'll give you an example i'll use spike lee as example you know are everybody like this spike lee is supposed to be one of the best directors making the most money producing the most projects and shit right and he was down with everything black everything black black actors black so-and-so but when it came down for black people to put up or shut up, guess what? They didn't go to the theaters. Guess what? They bought this shit DVD, bootleg and shit. But if we know that the problem,

what is the solution to this? Because people can say, we can talk to shit all we want, but what is the change? The solution is we have to institutionalize our communities. It is the systems that are destroying black people. The medical system, criminal injustice system, miseducation system. Let's take education, for example. Every state in America gives you the right to operate your own schools. And we have a rich tradition of independent Black

schools, a very rich tradition that was partly destabilized with the rise of the charter school movement. But with that being said, brother Donnell, one thing that every black person agrees on, we might not agree on Kamala and Trump. We might not agree on Obama and Biden, but we all agree that the public and charter schools of this country are misserving our children. We agree on that. So why charter school. My son go to a charter school. My son go to a school. But my son go to a charter school, man.

It might be a good one. No, no, no. It might go to a good one. It's all white people and Asians and gay people in that school. And it's going to give him the best chance to win in life. My son asked me, I do a benefit for my son's school, right?

It's a public school, but it's one of those schools that people buy property in the area just so their kids can go to that school. And I had to do a benefit, and I said, I'm a little nervous. I said, I'm a little nervous about doing this show. He said, why? I said, because speaking, I mean, doing the show in front of the teachers and principals and everything.

He said, Daddy, just do what you normally do, but don't curse. Right? And when he said that, I wanted to say, what the fuck you mean I can't curse? I was like, it's cursing that got you in this school. I said, it wasn't me hanging around in the schoolyard going, it looks like this schoolyard could use a little bit more

diversity, which I knew existed. I had to go up to him like this. Where the motherfucking black people in here? Right. Well, you know, charter schools have a very interesting history. You know, charter schools were not originally founded to serve black children. They were founded to serve white children. And when black people started opening up charter schools, and of course, Philadelphia,

we are the first black charter schools in the country, and we have the most charter schools in the country here. But at the same time, we also have the most charter schools that have been closed down, too. You know, so they systemically target black charter schools to sabotage and shut them down because the charter school movement was never meant to serve our kids. But the bigger issue, though, is that charter schools are still public schools. They're still publicly funded. OK, what we need is independent schools where we control the curriculum, we control the design and we control exactly what our children are. But how do we get? There's not enough love there. There's not enough love for us to come to give and buy up some of these abandoned schools and turn them into schools for our children. How can't, why can't we get our people to buy into that?

Why can't we get our people to understand this school is a black school, but it's still a good school. And we hold more prestigious schools as an example of how I want to educate my kids. Like when I was growing up, of course I know it was black people going to HBCUs or whatever. But the thing that was the platform, like the shit was, oh man, he got a chance to go to Brown. Oh man, he got a chance to go to Yale.

How do we switch that and make people want to support the educational system that we develop ourself? Because of 246 years of psychological indoctrination on a plantation has convinced black people that anything the white man has is better than anything we have. We still believe that. That's why we'll send our kids to a racist white private school where they're

going to be miseducated, special educated, psychiatrically medicated. We will do that. Why did you send them to a white racist school knowing how your son was going to be treated? Because we believe white people always have a better product. And the only way you change that is through what? Education. If we never take control of the education of our children, we will never be a free people. Freedom begins in the mind. And until you first establish psychological freedom, there will never be political economic freedom. We must build our own schools before we change anything else. There must be a psychological revolution,

but it can be a financial revolution, social revolution, any kind of revolution. Black boys have to be taught to respect and honor black women, and black women have to be taught to respect and honor black women and black women have to be taught to respect and honor black men all of this is education the black community does not have its own educational paradigm and that's why we're suffering i know i'm a washington commanders fan and i want to give my team a chance to win and i understand my man joe buttons my man druski are all in the same situations i am wanting their teams to win. So how can I get a prize pick to help me win? Well, you know, obviously there's ways to play fantasy with prize picks, you know?

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why did you start fucking with white women in the first place? And in the script, the response was, you know, I never heard a white woman say niggas ain't shit. Do you think in our community that black men are frustrated with the perception black women have had of men to the put down absolutely black men are frustrated with the perception that

black men that black women have of us but we're partly responsible for that how so i'll give you let me let me give you this one i believe that if if black men today, right now, you and I and all of our brothers, there's about 20 million African men in this country. If we would just take responsibility of the raising and the protecting and the educating and the succeeding of our boys. If we just told black women that we are now responsible for all the boys, y'all got the girls, we got the boys. And I'm with you 100%. I am 1000. Say what be brother Donnell. If we did that, I believe black women would begin to respect black men again. One of the biggest reasons our women are so frustrated with us, they don't see us taking responsibility for the raising of men. And in African culture, teaching boys to be men

is always the responsibility of the men in the village. It is never the responsibility of the women. And for me as a school psychologist, nothing upsets me more, Brother Donnell, than when I go to a community football game, I go to a community basketball game, I go to a community track meet, I go to one of these hip hop studios, nothing but black men.

They're all over the place. And then when I go to a special education meeting for his son, when I go to a report card conference, when I go to a back to school night, I can hardly find a black father in sight. So why is it we can always be at the football and basketball games, but we can never make it inside of the school? That's why our women are angry at us. Yeah. And I, and I mean, I agree with you, Harley, but then you have, this this is this is kind of interesting what happened in some of these broken families whatever when you have a man a black man that's trying right he's trying to the best of his ability but he still gets shitted on he still gets spoken less of and you

have situations that i i'll put it like that i'll use tyrese as an example no his his the trials of his life is always on social media. But then what happens when you have that person, that person's angry relationship that puts a wedge between how this guy wants to raise his kids and how he want to be there for them. And he has to deal with all this bullshit with baby mamas that don't want to be supportive. It goes back to the trauma. First of all, I believe too many of us are dating before we have healed from past trauma, post-traumatic relationship disorder. Why are you out here looking to build another family when you have not properly healed? Because we're horndogs.

We're horndog dogs. We horn dogs. We like pussy. But that's the problem, though. There still has to be spiritual discipline. Let's look at the Sphinx, the great Sphinx of Giza in Kemet, one of the most popular archaeological symbols in the world, right? The Sphinx is a symbol of a man taking control over his nature, all of his desires, all of his impulses. And once a man is able to subdue and control his his aggressions and his passions, then he can ascend to God.

But we can control us as much as we love our women, as much as we love them, and I love them to death. They're gorgeous. I know, nigga. I see your face in them pictures. I see your face in them pictures. I see you have your cute face. I see you have your cute face.

And you be acting light-skinned in your pictures. I seen it. Yes, sir. There's a time and a place for everything, though. Right. And I think too often, black men are abusing and exploiting and taking advantage of the know they really don't have anything else to go to. We are abusing the very creation that the white power structure has put in our community. We're using it to our advantage against our women,

and it's not fair. I know this is a crazy question. I'm right now, and I know you like black. In my speech, I said you're the blackest person. You have never, ever experienced a hot two situation from a white woman. When I was in college. I knew it.

I knew it, son. I had a class. I knew it, son. I knew it was in college. I knew it! I knew it, son! I knew it, son! I knew it was a college! I knew it! Okay, go ahead, go ahead. Get to it. Okay. She was attracted to me, and she was attractive. And she was built like a black woman. She had the hips, everything. And she was very

much attracted to me. I remember when I went to the Million Man March, the first one, October 16th, 1995. You took a I went to the Million Man March, the first one, October 16th, You took a white girl to the Million Man March? No. Please don't tell me that. I'm hanging this goddamn thing up. Don't tell me that.

Ferricon would not fuck with you right now. God, no. I don't think it was no snow bunny. It was no snow bunny. You knew it was a snow bunny. No, no, but there was some snow bunnies that some of them follow up million man and i'm gonna tell you something this is what i want to get to too that i know how you feel about that but hold on let me answer that though brother let me answer so when we came back from the million man march she put a card on my

desk and i didn't see her put it on my desk i I went up to talk to the professor, psychology class. When I came back, there was a car. And you know, it's a white school. So most of my classmates was white. I said, did y'all see who put the car in here? They said, no, she didn't care if they saw it. I opened up the car and all this glitter popped out all over.

She was honoring me for taking the initiative of going to the Million Man March, right? Which I thought was commend you know, commendable. But what I had to explain to her and other white women since then who have shown a romantic interest in me. And don't put the apple slices in the potato salad, right?

I respect you. Okay. But I am 100% committed to and loyal to the black woman. So you and I can never have anything sexually or any other way because as a freedom fighter, I cannot create family with anything but a black

woman. You should have did it, bald freedom fighters. I'm talking about the ones that was in the front line. I'm talking about the chicks that was in the Peace Corps and spent time in Africa. What about those white chicks? Can any white chick ever get a pass? At the end of the day, brother Donnell,

at the end of the day, you need to understand this. I don't want to understand this! All Caucasians, all Caucasians. You, Katie! All Caucasians are racist. Oh, no! Stay with me. I want you to understand what I'm saying.

I'm not saying that all Caucasians are bigots. I don't believe every white person thinks they're better than black people. I don't believe every white person wants to exterminate black people. I don't believe every white person think we came from

jungles and animals and I don't think every white person believes that. But I do know that all Caucasians appreciate and are willing to protect the white privilege that they receive as a result of black oppression. And there has never been a Caucasian in history that has fought to eliminate white privilege do we have we need to understand that so no matter how much a white woman may like me at the end of the day she is the beneficiary of my oppression question dr umar dr umar have you ever heard of tipu tip tiku who is that tipu tip i don't think so is that a person or yeah

tipu tip was actually the largest slave trader in all of history he was actually a black man you know and he what he would do is he would go in the forest and he would tell people hey do you want to find some ivory we bring this to the. We're going to get all these riches. And then right when he gets to the coast, he'd trap him in Zanzibar. Do you feel like in a certain sense, when you have these divisions between white and black, we make things about race that it's all it does is just divide and make things worse and worse?

If you want to heal the divide between black and white, And then how do we- of America's wealth that our ancestors built for free. If we want to heal the divide, when are we going to get our portion of the banking industry, our portion of the resources, our portion of the land? If we want to heal the divide, it just can't be healed in the bedroom. It has to be healed in the society. And once we begin healing society in every aspect of life in this country, then we can talk about it. But normally, when we have conversations about healing the racial divide, they're limited to social interaction. That means nothing that you and I can sit down and have a respectable conversation. It means nothing that you and I can sleep in the same hotel and eat at the same restaurant. What about the political power? What

about the unfair distribution of economic power? What about the unfair opportunities that exist in this society? What about the unfair criminal justice laws that send Black people to jail much, much longer for white people than white people, even though they committed the same crimes? We have to deal with that. Why are Black boys being suspended and expelled out of America's public and charter schools way more than white boys for the same crimes. We can heal the divide, but we can't be hypocritical and we cannot limit this to romance and social interaction. So then what can we do to then make something that heals the divide instead of create a system where like people get hoodwinked and tricked and it feels like more of the same where we just are like one big orwellian

1984 circle we don't want that shit we want to be managed i believe the best thing the best thing that america could do yeah the best thing that white society could do to begin to heal the racial divide is to redistribute the wealth of this country to ensure that black people received their just portion all right until there is a redistribution of the wealth so that we get not only what our ancestors were due, but what we are currently do as well. That is the first step to anything short of a redistribution of the wealth is pure hypocrisy. What does that look like in a micro environment? Like does that look like in a micro environment? Like we're in a room right now. We have a room full of a mix of white people and black people.

We have businesses going on. Like what are ways that we can do that in our certain circle right now? Well, first of all, we have to make sure that those who actually control the society and make the major decisions are present during this conversation. So it just can't be everyday citizens there because we don't have the power to force concessions from big business and from government. We got to make sure there's representatives of Congress there. There's representatives of these multinational corporations that are there. We have to make sure that all the true players are involved so that the decisions that are made at this round table are in fact enforceable because we could

come up with a blueprint. We could come up with a plan, but it means absolutely nothing unless it is enforceable. We have to make sure that it is enforceable. But doesn't that require us relying on corporations? Like, cause Donnell owns his own business. You own your own business. I own my own business. We're all operating right now together. Isn't there a way that we can operate or have conversations and take the power that don't require corporations? had direct investment in. Some of them were created through the institution of slavery and Jim Crow. Let's take Brook Brothers Clothing for an example. Brook Brothers Clothing got their start by making clothes for the enslaved Africans on the plantations in the southern states. There's no getting around the fact that Bank of America, Wells Fargo, many of these financial institutions got their start in the trafficking of enslaved Africans. So we have to deal with that reality. We have to deal with the fact that the United States government codified our enslavement, that they reduced us to articles of property and not human beings. Where is the reparations that are due to African people that will serve at the basis of this restituted

process that we're talking about. We've been talking about reparations for years. And at the end of the day, it's my feeling that we're never going to get reparations. So what do we do? Why? Why haven't we had it now? Why do you feel that way? Because I don't see any, I don't see the steps moving forward to get people to understand what our issues are and give us the money back in fact i might be a little ignorant to this you have probably way more knowledge than me this but how do they do it how do they do it how do they do it with like a stimulus check how do they give us no no for me for me in my opinion a cash payment if there to be one, should be at the bottom of the reparations package.

It should not be the only thing and it should not be the most important thing because America's money is not on the gold standard. It's not on a silver standard. It's not on any mineral standard. It is a promissory note. It is empty paper. And if we allow this government, this country, the most powerful country in the world, built on the backs of black labor to pay us what they owe to our ancestors, the greatest crime in human history

is going to be paid for with money that has no mineral equivalent. That would be a great loss to us. We should be paid in land. We should be paid in resources. We should be paid in resources. But you know, brothers, we should be paid in control of industry. They're going to take the money. But then, you know, for example, the land argument, right?

Like, I'm pretty sure you're familiar with Mugabe and Zimbabwe and that failed land experiment. Yes. And I supported Mugabe in taking the land back from the white settlers because they had no right to be there in the first place. They were only able to get land in Zimbabwe as a result of colonization. But then obviously you talked about inflation being a problem, but Zimbabwe had the worst inflation in history under Mugabe and the economy completely tanked. Well, they also didn't control their own currency, as most African countries do not control their own currency.

Their money is printed in Europe, and it is maintained in European banks. So how can it truly be independence and sovereignty when your former oppressor, your colonizer, the countries that have raped your land resources and enslaved your people for two, three, four centuries, they control your economic process. That's a problem in and of itself. They gave Africa a flag and anthem independence. Africa has never had true independence. There cannot be true independence when you don't even print your own money. But he did print his own money, and that's why he had the worst inflation in history,

right? Well, they sabotaged him, though. The World Bank and the IMF in Britain, they sabotaged him, as they do all African countries. And if they can't sabotage you, they'll assassinate you, like Amikau Cabral or Patrice Lumumba, whose assassination was ordered by President Dwight Eisenhower. And if they can't get to you to assassinate you, they'll just overthrow you, like they did Osajifo, Dr. Kwame Nkrumah. So European countries of the world never want to see Africa strong, because a strong Africa is a weak Europe and a weak America.

Well, right now, the whole world war is being fought in Africa, right? The Chinese and the Russians, they're investing so much money in Africa. Absolutely. And a lot more than we are. Because whoever controls. Yes, sir. Whoever controls Africa controls the world. So isn't that just a great antithesis?

Isn't that just in direct antithesis to what you just said 30 seconds ago, though? Absolutely not. How so? Because you're like, the rest of the world wants to see a weak Africa, and then you're like, whoever controls Africa controls the rest of the world. Absolutely. Whoever controls the resources of Africa controls the world. Africa doesn't control her resources. The Congo doesn't control her coltan. South Africa doesn't control her diamonds. Caucasians control it. The same power that was in place during apartheid is the same power that is in place right now. Nothing changed in South Africa in 1994 except the flag and the color of the president. It's no different than a Barack Obama administration. All they did was give you a black face in a high place. There was no change in policy to benefit African people.

So you're trying to say that Nelson Mandela did nothing? And not during Barack Obama's presidency. So you're trying to say Nelson Mandela did nothing for South Africa? Nelson Mandela did a whole lot as a youth. Post-incarceration Nelson Mandela was a complete puppet of the Western powers, just like Barack Hussein Obama. You said, and it's been on your platform a lot, and I know

somewhat of your feelings toward Kamala and her bid to be president and everything. And a lot of people, some people are ignorant. They don't really see through some of the things you're saying. But do you think when you say stuff like what is she going to do? What are the promises or whatever? And you you encourage people not to vote. Do you think and it's never encouraged anyone not to vote? OK, then I miss miss.

I've never encouraged anyone not to vote. What I said was we should always get something in exchange for the vote. And if I don't find anything worth voting for, because my vote is so important to me, I will not be voting. And at present, neither former President Trump nor Vice President Harris has offered the American African community anything that is worth me voting for. They haven't even spoken to our issues. So why would you go out and vote for people who are completely ignorant? You brought up a pretty important point a couple months ago about Kamala Harris offering you money for an interview, right?

And obviously it's pretty known that getting an endorsement in a black church is incredibly important, especially with big ministers and such, and that these endorsements are straight up paid for. Do you feel like that system in which we have to get something for it is just an extenuation of just furthering things down the line and just saying, hey, there's like this kind of white privilege that exists, but I want that same privilege, but for me?

No, I look at it differently. The whole purpose of voting is to ensure adequate representation, right? No taxation without representation. So if you want me to vote for you, obviously I should get something from it. Black people are the only people in this country I'm aware of who are expected to vote and get nothing from it. Nobody else is expected to vote and get nothing from it. Nobody else is expected to vote and get nothing from it except Black people. And we have to change that. And I think the reason

why Kamala Harris is getting so much pushback from the American African community is she's basically trying to use the Barack Obama strategy of 2008, but she's failing to understand that the youth of today are not the youth of 2008. We lived through the Barack Obama administration. We saw him cater to everybody except Blacks, and we're not willing to see that happen again with an Obama 2.0 and Kamala Harris. So all we're saying to her is this. Don't tell us to vote for you just because you're Black. If, in fact, you are Black, what are you going to do it is about policy not racial identity what are you going to do about miseducation what are you going to do

about mass incarceration what are you going to do about homelessness and gentrification what are you going to do about police brutality and assassination and what are you going to do about economic apartheid but what if they speak on it but what if they speak what if they speak on it and do nothing about it? And then some people will also say a non-vote is a vote. And this is what is going to come that people think is going to come down to a non-vote is also a vote for Trump. How do you feel on that? Because you have a platform. It's not a vote for Trump because you didn't vote for Trump. A non-vote is a non-vote. And even if the non-vote is a vote for Trump, so be it. Answer this. How have Black people benefited from four years of Joe Biden? And how has four years of a Democrat

Joe Biden been any better than the four previous years under a former President Donald Trump? There was no net gain to Black America at all under Trump, nor under Joe Biden. So what's the difference? A red wing and a blue wing are still two wings on the same chicken wing. Lemon pepper. What type of wings? What type of wings

you like? I know you've asked this question. How do you get, how do you order your wings? How do you order your wings? How do you order your wings? Oh, man. Barbecue wings, lemon pepper wings. Oh, lemon pepper. Lemon pepper, extra crispy.

Brother Donnell, you said something, though. You said something that was good. What? You said, what did you just say? You said something to the effect of, even if they say they're going to do it. They don't. What if you vote and they don't do it?

That's why the black vote has to be organized. They don't. What if you vote and they don't do it? That's why the black vote has to be organized. Because if the black vote is organized and we decide as a people that Kamala is going to get the black vote this year or Trump is going to get the black vote this year, if they don't deliver those same 45 million American African votes that put your ass in will put your ass out in four years. They will have no choice but to do for you because your vote is disorganized. I don't care who you vote for until the black vote is organized. It will always be taken for granted. That was a lot.

So like at the same time, Dr. Um umar like you're talking about all these things right and when i'm like okay what's a micro thing that we can do right now it's like we have we have very institution building if i'll vote for kamala harris tomorrow if she says dr umar i'm coming into detroit chicago philadelphia oakland baltimore and I'm going to build five major industries in there to give work to Black men, Black women, Black youth. I'm going to build housing to eliminate the housing crisis. I'm going to undo the migrant crisis that me and Joe Biden created. She might get my vote. See, when we keep hearing about Black-on-Black crime, nobody's talking about the economics that underlie the desperation

of black on black crime until you come into the black community with livable wage jobs you will never see a reduction in crime because poverty is the mother of crime donnell i got some crazy news uh you're staying you're going to continue to be a part of the podcast no go for i'm just saying you said crazy news that was the craziest thing i could ever think of your your manager your manager actually just called me while you're outside right and he told me that they're making the julius irving biopic dr j yeah and um spike Jones, Spike Lee is directing it. Right. And they actually want you to be Dr. J.

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my good brothers and sisters in the Nation of Islam, obviously they practice a certain kind of Islam, but I was not a part of the nation, although I have tremendous respect for them. I practice Orthodox Islam. I was raised Sunni, Orthodox Islam, and Orthodox just means traditional, the original Islam of Prophet Muhammad 200 years ago in Arabia. And then in high school, my father transitioned from Sunni Islam, and we began to practice Shia Islam, with the only major difference being that Shia Islam, they believed that the leadership of the religion was supposed to be passed down to Prophet Muhammad's bloodline and should not have went to the rightly guided caliphs that we are actually named after. So I'm Umar. Umar was one of the caliphs or disciples, if you would, for lack of a better word, companions of Muhammad.

It was Umar. It was Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, and Ali. That was the succession after Muhammad's death. But it should have been Ali, and then I believe the grandsons of the Prophet. So that's the major difference between Sunni and Shia. Who should have received control of the religion after the death of the prophet. What was your religion? I transitioned from Islam back in 2005, my first trip to Africa as Minister of Education for the Honorable Marcus Garvey's UNIA. And I had went through a spiritual experience there. And when I came back to the States, that spiritual experience that I had in one of the slave dungeons there in Africa, it transformed the way I saw the entire world. And it transformed my relationship with the creator.

And that's why I stepped away from Islam because I found something that was much better. Bacon, bacon. It was bacon. It was bacon. Was that in Zanzibar, sir? No, sir. Gory Island, Senegal, the slave dungeon right outside of Dakar.

What was the relationship your dad had with Islam? How was he introduced to it? Because I know in the black community, most of it is jail. In my father's time, you know, and when he was young, you know, you're talking about the 60s and the 70s, a lot of black men, as you know, because of the black book explosion, the black panther movement, the black power movement, a lot of young black men at that time, they left the church

and they were looking for something better. They really wanted to go back to African culture and Islam kind of found them before they could find their way all the way back to African culture and consciousness. So a lot of us ended up in Islam because of what they felt it was a much better option than Christianity. But for people like me, you know, I know that African culture, consciousness and traditional African spirituality is the best thing for me. I don't believe in dictating people's religions. I believe all the religions are beautiful. If Islam serves your needs, so be it. If being a Jehovah Witness serves your needs, so be it. If being in a nation of Islam serves your needs, if being a Seventh-day Adventist serves your need, I'm fine. As a pan-Africanist, we believe in freedom of religion. So I still respect the religion, even though it is no longer my primary method for

interfacing and communicating with Supreme Consciousness. I practice Yoruba culture. So the system of Ifa is what I've been studying and practicing since 2005. So Dr. Umar, quick, quick, well, sorry, one last question about that. And so in terms- And I would still go into a masjid and pray. I would still go into a masjid and participate in the activities because it's a beautiful religion. Did you break wudu a lot? Oh, all the time. I prayed five times a day. I fasted during Ramadan. I was raised Muslim, so I read the Quran. I fasted on Ramadan. I was raised Muslim. So I was to say, you know, I read the Koran.

I hate to say this. And I respect the religion. But it didn't have enough African consciousness and culture in it for me for who I am and what my purpose is in this life. I needed something that was a lot more oriented to the history and culture and spirituality of black people. Islam didn't have enough spiritual nutrition in it for me. I needed to come to Ifa, and I am perfectly happy with the system that I follow now. So quick question.

Do you think it's possible, like given the history of slavery with the Muslim religion in Islam? Where you get all these Black questions? Where you get all these Black questions? You know he's a white guy, right? Yo, let me say this. Let me say this. We talked to you a lot about this. Let me say this. We are starting right? Yo, let me say this. Let me say this.

Let me say this. Let me say this. Dr. Umar, and like, the funny thing, I'm excited you came on the show, right? But the funniest thing to hear this white dude say, I got Dr. Umar for your show. I'm like, who did you blow to make that happen, right?

That was the first thought. And I got to tell you, and I've never seen you laugh or whatever, he was so happy that you was communicating. His biggest goal of this year is that you gave him two black fist pumps, right? And then he's like a little kid like,

Dr. Uba gave me two black fist pumps. Two black fist pumps. I'm like, does he know you? Why? He was like, I don't know about that. But I gave me two black fist pumps. Two black fist pumps. I'm like, does he know you're white? He was like, I don't know about that. But I got the two black fist pumps, so I appreciate it. What question did you have, Alex? Okay, so one of the things I was wondering about is can one really be a pan-Africanist

in one of these traditional, like, Semitic religions when you look at, like, the history of Islam and slavery and even, like, the curse of Ham and how it's been used so much against black people. Great question. El-Hajj Malik al-Shabazz Malcolm X was a pan-Africanist and a Muslim. The most honorable Marcus Messiah Garvey, the greatest pan-Africanist of all time and the greatest black leader of the 20th century. He was a Christian. I do believe you can belong to a world of religion, despite the history and still be a Pan-Africanist, although I do think it is a slippery slope. And the reason why- Slippery slope? That sounds like P. Diddy.

No slippery slope. You can't use that word. No Diddy. No Diddy. The reason I do not discount Islam completely and discount Christianity completely is because we have to be careful of branding an entire system or institution because of how certain people have used it to do harm, right? Islam was created by a black man, Muhammad ibn Abdullah. Jesus bin Yusuf was a black man. These were black religions that our people created, which were later taken and used as instruments of imperialism and enslavement. And so that's why I say, although, yes, Islam has to be accountable for its history and slavery and Christianity has to be accountable for its history and slavery at the same time. I don't think that we can completely dismiss them because at the end of the day,

they were not founded on slavery but islam was islam was founded on slavery and islam with the entire notion the entire notion of like being peaceful with abdul-lah but the entire notion of muhammad ibn abdul-lah prevented he prevented uh his people uh from invading egypt when they were attempting to do so during his life. He protected Africa from Islamic invasion and Arab invasion during his life. He was completely against it. They didn't invade, yes, Muhammad ibn Abdullah. They didn't invade Egypt until after Muhammad died. But even Christians, this whole notion of how Christians and Jews were treated as peaceful cohabitors under Islam, right? Wasn't

that just so that Muhammad had tax money to be able to expand the empire? Wasn't that the only reason? Well, yeah, they did have to pay a tax in order to live, you know, within the protection, you know, of the Islamic community and village. I do believe that that was a reality. And Muslims paid no tax, so they had no way to expand without taking taxes from Christians and Jews. Well, even their own people had to pay charity. We pay taxes in the United States of America. I don't think that necessarily means that one is restricted or limited. But in Muhammad's empire, no Muslims ever paid tax.

Say that again. In Muhammad's empire, no Muslims ever paid tax. No, zakat. Zakat is one of the five articles of faith every believer has to uh remit some of their earnings for the upkeep of the community now whether you call it charity whether you call it tax it was required so i think it's just a difference of wording you had on one of your posts and i follow you you you had a um issue and they made a a funny tiktok to girls that was repeat what you said with brothers uh shannon sharp And I don't know how I became such a big deal on TikTok, my brother. You know,

completely by surprise. I'll be in the airport and the young people say, Dr. Umar, you need to get on TikTok. I said, what is TikTok? I never heard of it. Then one day I decided to just get on TikTok and I couldn't believe the tens of thousands of memes and gifs and videos of me. I had no idea that I was on TikTok. What issue did you have with Shannon Sharp? He's a snow bunny hop.

And Shannon Sharp. Come on, man. I don't condone bunny hop. What about on Easter? Do you know that was a snow bunny for facts? respect shannon he's a good guy can you hop but listen can you bunny hop on easter they would be wild they would be shannon sharp and terrell owens i believe were having a conversation right and respected terrell owens as well they were having a conversation and they said basically and i'mhrasing, that when they were in grade school, black girls called them ugly.

Right. OK, this is what they said. Black girls called them ugly. And that was kind of their justification or excuse for why they decided to become a bunny hopper. And I said, that's complete nonsense, because of the black girls called you ugly and they might have called you up to material he is white girls called you attractive because it is white people who taught black people that black was unattractive so if the black girl called you ugly i know you're not going to turn right around and tell me that the white girls called you attractive but you still chase the white girls even though they didn't find you attractive either so to me that was that was just an excuse that black men use black girls didn't want me i was too So to me, that was just an excuse that black men use.

Black girls didn't want me. I was too dark. They said I was unattractive. Well, we all been through that in our life, and we didn't all go over to the Snow Bunny Brigade. So stop making excuses and just admit you hate yourself and you hate your blackness. And that's why your date outside your room. Don't do this to me, old.

Please. Don't do this. What about the white women that just want to just want to worship you? If the white woman just wants to be charitable, tell her to go fight against the mass incarceration system that's

taking our fathers from our families. Tell her to go fight against the miseducation system that's turning black youth into a permanent underclass. Tell her to go fight against the miseducation system that's turning black youth into a permanent underclass. Tell her to go fight for our share of America's wealth. They don't got to do all of that. They don't got to do all of that. What about a hog too?

Just a hog too. What about, is there a world where, is there a world where like, there could be like almost like a, like an oil card. Alex, we just want a hog too, man. Where I could like date a black woman so Donnell could date a white woman if he wants to? No, sir. You cannot date a black woman. Why can't I date a white woman? Maybe in some distant point in the future when African people are returned to our ancient and original glory as the custodians of this planet, we might allow some temporary bunny hop.

Right now, we are being marked for extinction and extermination and global genocide. There's absolutely to be no intermixing. Let's work on that list. Integrate the banks, integrate the wealth, integrate the political power, integrate the land. The last thing to be integrated is the bedroom. God damn it. Do you mind if I ask you a question, Dr. Umar?

You're a white girl. No, well, it's like a... It's a scenario question. She's a white girl, Umar. How many members of the Wu-Tang Clan are there, Dr. Umar? No, go ahead. What's your. You can tell. How many members of the Wu-Tang Clan are there, Dr. Umar? No, go ahead. What's your question? Method Man, Old Dirty Bastard, RZA, JZA, Raekwon, Ghostface, Master Killer.

I know I'm missing something. Bunny Hopper. Bunny Hopper. It's going to be a Bunny Hopper. Katie, what was your question? Okay, so it's kind of a scenario. Who's a Bunny Hopper? No, no.

What? Me? One of the Wu-Tang? No, no, what? Me? One of the Wu-Tang? No, no, no, no. I just threw that out there. You made me nervous. Okay, so I feel like I've seen a little bit about your stance on the LGBTQ community. So I'm curious about this very like specific scenario. If a black trans woman and a black trans man got married and were able to like have kids,

like, do you still think that's like, even though like they're still like procreating and making like continuing, like, does that, is part of your brain still like, that's wrong to me? My first question would would be sorry for cutting you off my first question i'll cut her off the artificial man and the artificial woman because there's no such thing as a trans man you're either a man or you're a woman right so that's an artificial artificial they're going to procreate and have children if two trans people are going to procreate and have children why didn't you just do that in your natural god-given gender identity i don't understand the purpose of living artificially as the opposite gender and still coming back to an opposite gender to have children that doesn't make any sense um i'm not quite sure i have the answer to but like if

you have to live in the hypothetical if you have to live in the hypothetical would that still be okay by you no because first of all i want to clear. I do not advocate hurt or harm to any human being on the planet, race, gender, sexual identity. I may disagree with the lifestyle that in no way should be misinterpreted to believe that I wish harm against anyone. I'm going to be very clear about that, because as a therapist, I have done work with homosexual males, lesbian women, transgenders, and I know the early life trauma that is often the catalyst for these types of psychological ills. And I would never want to poke fun at them. So I want to be very clear about that, especially with gay black men who have one of the highest suicide rates in the country. I would never want to disparage them, but I would still make it clear that I do not agree with this lifestyle at all.

And the reason it's being pushed so heavily on Black children, and it was started by President Barack Obama on this level. We've always had homosexuality and lesbianism, but on this level, Barack Obama is the father of that. And they've even went so far

as to go into Africa and threaten African countries with withholding of necessary foreign aid if you don't make gay marriage legal. Why are they so interested about gay marriage in Africa? Because they want to control the population explosion of African people. And if we can convince the boys to only be romantic with other boys, and if we can convince black girls to only be romantic with black girls, we can reduce the birth rate of African people. LGBTQism is a population control strategy by the white power

structure against African people. Do you believe Dr. Sinclair's accusation against Barack Obama? What is that accusation? Man, why you keep on bringing this stupid shit up, man? He keep on bringing this stupid shit up. Omar's not a fan of Obama, so maybe he'll actually have something to say. I'm not a fan of Obama because he didn't do anything for black people except sexually confuse our kids in public school. Here's the question.

Can I say this? Listen, whether you support LGBTQ or not, here's the question. Do kindergartners and first graders and second graders, do they need instruction on LGBT? Why are you discussing sex of any kind with children who are not old enough to have sex? You don't start developing attraction for the opposite gender until pre-puberty.

But as a man, as a man, as a man. So why are you teaching five and six year olds about sex? It's because you want to indoctrinate them so by the time they are old enough to have sex, they'll do it the way you want them to do it. All right, I want to say this. I want to go back to this. This is very important.

I think if I got anything out there. So Dr. Umar, you're going on record to say that you're going to start issuing a bunny pass for a brother, right? He said no. No, he, right? He said no. No, he said no. I just said, how do you get these bunny passes?

What is a bunny pass? Because I'm not giving you permission. No, you just said that. A bunny pass, you said all of this checklist, if the white people do this, didn't you say you might let us slide a little bit? So, it's official that you're going to start issuing out bunny passes. Hell no.

And even if we were going to have a bunny pass conversation, I don't see that happening before the next 100 years. It's going to take at least 100 years to reverse all of the ills and issues that were created in black. Your grandson, your

grandkids. What about this weekend? Just a pass for this weekend, man. Your great, great, great, great grandchildren might be ready to have that. So what do I tell my black girlfriend, though? Do you really have a black girlfriend? Yeah, I do. She's so shocked. Okay. Okay.

Do you want me to call her? Now that's disgusting. Umar, now that's disgusting.ar now that's disgusting you would tell her that dr umar wants to know and this is no disrespect to you at all as a human being but dr umar would like to know why she couldn't find a black man and i would like to know from you why you couldn't find a white woman i didn't want to fight over a white woman and i love her why did you want the chocolate oh i Oh, I can tell you why. I mean, like, I've never felt so comfortable with a person in my life, and I feel like she gets me and I get her. And, like, and I feel like I've never felt like that supported in my life before, honestly.

And would you be honest enough to admit that although she might be the recipient of your love that you do carry a disdain towards all of the members of her race i don't i have zero disdain but if you want to speak to my black girlfriend i'll call her right now no it's okay um you know she suffers a little bit of self-hatred why do you think she suffers from self-hatred you have a little bit of slave master syndrome. Thank you, Omar. Omar. Omar. Omar. I'm a Jew.

What do you mean? That doesn't mean anything. European Jews were some of the biggest participants in the transatlantic slave trade. Y'all built the ships and financed them as well. That is literally the kind of stuff. That is absolutely the truth. It is not true. The Secretary of War for the Confederacy. You can Google that right now on your phone and you'll see that.

Yeah. You're like, if you're looking at the whole slave trade as a, as a whole Jews were a tiny, tiny part of it compared to Muslims. And even if you look at the, the finance of the voyages, y'all were more than a small piece.

Now, you know, you know, our page is about to get suppressed, right? And respectfully, here's my issue with the Jewish community. Yeah, tell me. As much as y'all hold the world accountable for turning their backs on your ancestors during the German Holocaust. We're going to jail. I don't see y'all showing as much

energy and attention towards your role in the African Holocaust. And I consider that to be somewhat hypocritical that the world should acknowledge the debt it owes you, but you don't have to acknowledge the debt you owe Black people.

So sit in this. This is great. So Earl on the African Holocaust. No, I can't do this. I'm trying to get some money off. Put Donnell back on the screen. That's what I'm saying. Don't do this.

Donnell is worried that he's going to have to play Def Jam comedy tours until the end of time. Yo, get me back on the screen. I can't see Donnell. Where did I go? You got me blocked out. I can't see Donnell. Where did I go? You got me blocked out. There you go. My page is about to be suppressed.

No, it's not. You've been in Instagram jail. This is respectful conversation. You've been in Instagram jail. Can I give you one more? Okay. There was a group of African soldiers during World War II who helped to liberate a lot of European Jews from some of

the most aggressive concentration camps. And I don't see them honored in a single Holocaust museum in this country. And I really want to know why. Can I help you with that, Dr. Umar? Because that would be a cool project to work on together. Yes, sir. Dr. Umar, what I would love to have is these kind of great conversations, but I do think that there are certain things that you're a business owner, I'm a business owner, Donnell's a business owner, and we have ways of creating cool microcosms where we can both lift each other up. You know what I mean? I agree with that. But are you also acknowledging, though, because we can't be hypocritical, there is a white privilege that you are not interested in separating yourself from. I am absolutely.

And we agree that that is true. No. So you do not recognize the benefits you receive in this society. Yeah, white man. In contrast to black. You don't see that. No, I do see it. That is impossible.

No, no. You said you made two different points you said you said do i do i want to adhere to it and keep the standard the status quo or do i no are you conscious i'm conscious of it aware that there are benefits that you receive intentionally or unintentionally because you know what you are european yes i can acknowledge that but i don't want to uphold it okay i don't think you're doing anything you haven't done anything to destroy it i am how do you destroy it well i know how you destroy you put like with shannon sharp you put the girl at the number three position that

you bang bang bang bang bang that's how i heard you destroy it yo yo donnell let me ask you a question i'm actually all y'all y'all gonna the shannon sharp instagram video right donnell in your opinion and i'm just wondering do you believe he did that himself do you believe the snow bunny he was smashing did it or do you think it was purely an act how do we know she was even a snow bunny well she might have not been a bunny but she could have been a sister, but we know Shannon is a bunny hopper. I think this. I think that Shannon Sharp right now knows that he is on fire on social media, and it's so easy to manipulate the media.

I think he had a plan on getting those advertisers from Yo Sparks or whatever it was. You know, I really think that he planned it. Let me just do this live right now. People are going to be all on me. I won't lose my job over ESPN and whatever. And then I'll come back and get another bag. I think that he knows how to grab the bag. And that's what he did. I feel you. Yeah. Makes sense to me. But I'm going to tell you something. With me, with this interview, and I got to be, I'm glad that we had this conversation. I was a little nervous about it because a lot of times people, whenever they see you on the platform, it's just like you just eating the motherfucker up, you know what I mean, in a debate. And I said, and no ditty, when I said it, I was like, I wonder do this motherfucker ever smile?

I wonder do he ever laugh? And come to find out, not too often, right? But when it happens, it's deserved. And I really appreciate you being able to have this, this conversation with me, my crew or whatever. And,

and nobody's mad or anything like that, but I am going to, I'm sure I'm going to let everybody know that you will be issuing out a bunny pass that you can redeem. No, no bunny passes. Oh Sunday. No bunny pass. No bunny passes. Oh, man, I really do. I want to thank you for this time,

man. It meant a lot for me to have you on. No problem, brother. No problem. I appreciate you. Thank you so much. People have issues, whatever, but I'm glad that we could have this conversation and open up some people's thoughts. And then, because of you with the schools and everything, give me one thing that you want to say to the Black boys of America. That we have to get back to Black excellence. I want to tell Black fathers, we have to stop

pushing sports and entertainment above academic excellence. We come from a history and a culture and a heritage of academic excellence. The black community needs to recommit itself to the academic excellence of our children. As we sit here right now, less than half of black boys in the fourth grade can read on grade level. As we sit here right now, less than half of black boys in the eighth grade can read on grade level. That is absolutely unacceptable. Frederick Douglass, who I'm related to by blood, he taught himself how to read. So it is absolutely unacceptable that 200 years after slavery, we got black kids who can't read, but they can be on Twitter. They can be on TikTok. They can be on the football game and the basketball court.

That is unacceptable. Black parents have to stop accepting mediocrity and the black community has to stop accepting mediocrity. We have to get back to black excellence. And I want to say to black parents, stop being so quick to put your children in special education. As a certified school psychologist who evaluates children for special education placement, too many of our children are being put in special ed who don't have trouble learning. Special education is not for behavior problems. Special education is for learning problems. And if your child's only problem is laziness,

that is not a learning disability. No child could drop out of school if their parents didn't drop out of their lives. Thank you, Dr. Umar. Thank you for your time. Can you, is there any chance that we could come to the Frederick Douglass family barbecue? Hell no. Hell no. Don't nobody want that bland ass potato salad. Best in all African event, but we could arrange for you to come and take a tour to school once it's ready. I don't have a problem with that. The cookouts

and all of that. Black people, and I want to say this so you understand. Black people, because of what we go through in this country, we need time and space to be amongst ourselves. Just like in your Jewish community,

there's time and space for you guys to be amongst yourselves. I don't want to be around the Jews. I want to be amongst ourselves. Just like in your Jewish community, there's time and space for you guys to be amongst yourselves. I don't want to be around the Jews. I want to be around you. But this is the problem. But here we go. Every group needs time and space to be amongst themselves. And as Marcus Garvey Academy, that's going to be a space that is dedicated to black people

where they can come and don't have to worry about being mistreated. don't have to worry about being judged because of their skin color they can be black around black people and not have to worry about offending anyone so it's not about not liking you it's about making sure that my people have a safe space for themselves we're still friends right like no you're not you're not I don't think a black person could really have a Caucasian friend. Really? Because at the end of the day, if you are truly my friend, you will care about my best interests. And if a white

person is truly the friend of a black person, you would have to fight to tear down the white privilege that you benefit from as a result of my oppression. And you're never going to. Why can't I do that? No Caucasian, no white person will ever fight to eliminate their white privilege. I'm fighting.

I work with Donnell every day. No, but that's not the same as eliminating white privilege. That's the same as the white person who says, I'll fight against the prison system. I'll fight against poverty. I'll fight against police brutality. I'll fight against Black homelessness. You're fighting against symptoms.

You are not addressing the cause. I volunteer for all those things. I volunteer for all those things. This is what I like to say. So we can never be friends? Those are not the causes. The cause is white privilege, which is never, ever the target of liberal white America's intervention. And that's why liberal white America is guilty

of hypocrisy because I never target the bias, the disproportionality, the discrimination or the racism. Y'all only deal with the symptoms of the process. In a nutshell, no, you're not going to be friends with him. He's my friend. We can be diplomatic towards each other. No, don't say you're never going to send me another good Garvey Day text. I might. Okay. It's always a good Garvey Day. This is what I want to say.

In a nutshell, what Dr. Umar is saying is, Alex, you're not invited to the barbecue. Thank you for your time, Dr. Umar. Thank you, brother. One love. One love. Yes, sir. Appreciate it, y'all. Thank you. Thank you, brother. One love. One love. Yes, sir. Appreciate it, y'all. Thank you. Round here, if it smell funny,

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