Donnell - You're Not Black?

Episode Date: June 5, 2020

Does color drive your political decisions? In episode #025, Donnell Rawlings discusses what it means to lock and load your vote for the upcoming 2020 election with Marc Lamont Hill, an American academic, author, activist, and television personality. Brotherhood comes in all forms, a joke could be too soon, but it could never be too soon for a political conversation. Special thanks to @hollywoodimprov, @marclamonthill, @mfdaviddeery, @jivantaroberts, @juliuslikeaboss, @canonusa Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ladies and gentlemen, I've already told you that I'm not the smartest one. I'm not the best deck in the card or whatever they say. White people, you say that. I say that, but you know what? It's not the fact that you have to be the smartest person. You have to have the smartest fucking friends. And in my intro you didn't hear, I said one of the things I love about you the most is your educational background, where you're from,

and a lot of people can't take this, but you're a real nigga! Okay. Okay. where you're from and a lot of people can't take this but you're a real nigga hey yo I don't got no mask. I'm trying not to miss you. I'm trying not to miss you. I'm trying not to miss you. The Donnell Rawlings show. Live in your face. Fuck y'all bitches. You'll never take my place. Thank you. I'm a ghetto for some policies.

Yeah. Why? Well, just childish. I just think they're childish. Why do you think they're childish? So you're going to tell, so are you going to tell, it's childish.

So are you going to tell Alice Rodriguez that sunflower seeds is childish? Are you going to tell Derek Jeter that eating sunflower seeds are childish? Are you going to tell Derek Jeter that eating sunflower seeds are childish? Are you going to tell anybody in the National Baseball... Is it National Baseball Association? National Baseball

League. It's an M in there somewhere. What is it? Major League Baseball. Oh, white dude wrong right out the gate. I love that shit. Give a bomb. So, are you going to tell the gate. I love that shit. Give a bomb. So, are you going to do that? I should know that.

I danced for the Marlins for a long time. You should know that because you probably smashed a couple of them niggas. Okay, she gave me the middle finger so that means it was only one.

All right. So, first off, I want to say shout out to anybody that has followed our podcast to the 24th, 25th episode, which this being. I think that we are in the groove. And I'm not saying that just for myself.

Last week, we didn't have a chance to talk about the comments that people left on iTunes. We'll get to that because sometimes I need things to feed my ego. But I will say the evolution of Donnie Rollins Showcase. I mean, Donnie Rollins podcast is showing up It's showing up in terms of views It's showing up in terms of people that want to align themselves with us And it's showing up in terms of Real

Motherfucking people So you, I'm talking to you Thank you, you being the trolls And the haters and everything Thank you for making this show Fun to do And fun to listen to. Over the weekend,

over the weekend, the past weekend, we had a holiday, Memorial Day weekend. Yeah. AKA, niggas get to barbecue. Did you see no one

adhere to COVID? The beaches were filled. The beaches were filled, but I want to go first to the point of these certain holidays. I call them cookout holidays. You know what I'm saying? A lot of times people don't really know the background and why we're celebrating. It's like, I got a three-day weekend.

It gets on. But I call them cookout weekends because I work at Caroline's on Broadway a lot, right? One of the best clubs in the world. And it's so funny because i always know when i'm going to work at the club once i start seeing people buying charcoal and hot dogs and ketchup i was like oh it's about to be a barbecue i'm about to start working and my point is and it's not a bad thing like sometimes black people don't really not black people black people they don't understand what the holiday is you know i'm saying

veterans day oh that's the day when i'm they get to all the military niggas say what's up to each other black people confuse uh veterans day with memorial day and i found it out because i went live on instagram and um i was on and there was some haters they were like oh do you know memorial day is different from veterans day memorial day is celebrating the people that have passed in war and i was like nigga i was in the military i do understand that but only i wanted to do was have some of the people that were currently in the military just to shout out shout out they might have lost some people you do understand the difference though are you talking to me yes do you know what 8-1-1-5-2 is nope 8-1-1-5-2 is a skill is a skill level for a job 8-1-6 you want to be so smart i know she just asked she just asked a vet

a veteran i mean do you know what means you don't do you know what left right means do you you don't okay then you have no idea because you want to be smart do you know i want to let you know do you know what this means right here this is somebody tested me when military y'all know these are commands do you know what this means parade rest you don't know hold your stomach in donald okay. Okay, I had man moves the last episode. All right. Ten hut. Great rest. Ten hut.

Left face. Right face. Fall face. Fall face. You don't know what that means. Okay, so don't ask me. Okay, thank you for serving this country, Donna. And then somebody, no, no, no, no. Nah, I didn't.

Thank you, Donna. Okay, I served the country. Thank you, Donna. But I didn't really fuck with it like that. I served the country because I didn't want to serve a sentence. So my reason, a lot of Puerto Ricans, Latinos, and black people, you know, like, I have to be honest, most black people aren't as patriotic as you think. It's an option.

You know what I'm saying? It was a good option. And one time I was doing a show. Did you join the military because you were facing a sentence? Is that real? Was it out? Ladies and gentlemen, this is the show called Clueless. I didn't get a chance to use this sound effects.

You guys know it's one of my favorite sound effects. And when I do this sound effects, you know that we're about to be live. He asked a question he doesn't know. And a white man should know what sarcasm means. I was being sarcastic. So when I asked that, I didn't know. I mean, that could have been true, though. Right.

It could have been true. Shut up. No, though. Right. It could have been true. Shut up. No, you're right. It could have been true, but I'm going to answer your question. I'm not going to be so critical. I'm going to answer your question. And it wasn't because I was going to do a sentence, but I didn't want to have no options out of high school, which could have put me in a position to do something stupid to do jail time.

I was not explaining on a lot of episodes that I tried to be a crack dealer. I wasn't good. Crack dudes, crackheads owed me money. They told me we're going to pay you when the fuck we want to. So it was an option. Like a lot of people in my community, it's like, okay, you might not have any skills. You know what I mean? You're not going to go to college.

You don't have a job coming up. You don't foresee a quick job coming up. So the military in our community, for a lot of people, it was just a way to better yourself. You know what I'm saying? It was a way to get your life started. It was a way to travel,

meet some different people. That was the reason I did it. And everybody in my family, my uncles, everybody was in the military. They all served. My granddad was in the Army. He was a triple nickel. What's a triple nickel? A triple nickel.

Google it, too. I want to be completely clear, but basically it was an airborne division. They jumped out of planes and shit. It was a triple nickel. It was a black division. He was a bad motherfucker. All of my uncles, between the Marines, Army. Army and the Marines.

That was the only branch. And they called me gay because I was in the Air Force. You know, they was like, you picked the softest branch out there, you know. So it was easy for me. It's the same thing as being from generations of everybody went to college. You know what I'm saying? It's like, I'm going to college because my uncle went to's like i'm going to college because my uncle went to college i'm going to college because my grandma went to college i went to military part of it because in my family that was a good um option for for for um

for a lot of us i wasn't the best person in the military the first all black test platoon yeah the first black so my my granddad was a part of that history you know i'm saying so he was like his shit was like the tough shit. I was a cop, you know, this was easy, easy to do that. But to your question, it was an option for me, which it was for a lot of people to try to get my life right. You know what I'm saying? Some people do it because, and in certain cases, like during, when they were going through the drafts, you know, you had motherfuckers. We needed people for the military.

We had motherfuckers that was like, like oh I'm about to do a jail sentence nope I'm gonna get out of this I'm gonna I'm gonna draft your people white people wasn't they was like I mean like the white people are the most patriotic race in the military but if you're from a certain income from a certain background yeah rich white people fuck that we got to get a letter saying you're going to school. We got to get this medical disclaimer saying that you're not able to serve. They duck it. You know what I'm saying?

They duck it. But it was a good experience for me. I met a lot of good people over the weekend when I did. This was a very cool story. So I'm on my Instagram Live, and this white guy pops on my Instagram Live who I would think if I was to profile a Trump supporter, and I'm not going to take this on no sides, I was like this, this nigga got a Make America Great Again hat.

This motherfucker got the U.S. flag in his front yard. You know what I'm saying? This motherfucker says nigga around his friends. With the E-R. With R. Around his friends, not the R. Not the R. And we got a guest today who could tell you the difference, right?

And it was interesting because this is what I explained about being in the military. It's almost like people that go to college, you know what I'm saying? You know, you got I'm a Kappa, I'm a Q, whatever. Like, it don't matter whether you're black, white, Asian, whatever. When you find out somebody else is in the military, it's a sense of brotherhood. You know what I'm saying? You hear people like, what are you guys talking about? As soon as you get right, when I talk to get right,

I was a 9-4, you just automatically start yelling the shit off. And it makes you feel good. So when I got to Instagram Live, I couldn't tell he was in the military. He was in like civilian clothes or whatever. And we were talking, right? And just the weird part about it was it was so interesting because he was served in the same branch I was in, United States Air Force. And you can get people to serve the same branch, but it's not too often you're like, where were you stationed? He told me where he stationed.

He said, I was in Korea. I'm like, where were you in Korea? He was like, Kunsan, Korea. i'm like where were you in korea he was like kunsan korea i'm like motherfucker oh wow i'm like it just gave me chills because you know i'm talking to a random white dude out of nowhere and we walked on the same concrete in a different continent you know the same base i was like dude i was a cop dude when you came through the gate i used to wave you on right and then this is where the black or white shit don't matter no more because once he felt that connection you could just see the excitement in his face like oh shit

you could you see like you you could see he wanted to accept us you could see he wanted to be like that's my nigga similar to to like on the Chappelle show when they did that sketch and then the black dude said nigga to the white dude, right? The white dude said, you just call us a nigga? He was like, fucking yeah! You know? But here's a funny story.

So we know that when you're in the military, you gotta adapt to your surroundings. Kunsan, Korea, that's what we call a remote base. That means that usually when you say you got a remote assignment, it's usually a base where we have nuclear weapons. You know what I'm saying?

When we say remote, that means even if you have a family, like for your four-year enlistment, everybody has to do it remote. So it's usually like the Philippines. It's like Korea where I was. Like you can't bring your family or anything. You have to go there. So a lot of times when you go places like that, like the ratio of men and women is such a big difference.

Like Kunsan, Korea, the base I was at, it was for every 12 dudes, it was one woman. So that means basic bitches became bad bitches. Did you have bitches? No, let me get to it. Nah, yo, I was a basic nigga. And the only basic motherfucker that got the bad bitches was the baddest dudes, and I was far from that.

I was 5'8", I weighed like 110 pounds, I didn't play basketball, I just had a couple of jokes. They was not fucking with me. So, you gotta go downtown. You gotta go downtown. Like, oh, I'm gonna get fucked. I can't get one of these whack bad bitches right here, but I'm going

downtown. And people dated the Korean chicks. Well, that's just what it was, you know. And it was so funny because when I was talking to the guy on the phone, I mean, on Instagram Live, I said, yo. I said, it was so funny because he was all amped and shit. I was like, you was in Korea? I said, no, I know you used to tear that shit up downtown, right? Cut to, the motherfucker had his, he was live.

Cut to, he showed me his Korean wife. And I was like, aigu, nuna, ip like, I was like, she's pretty. It was so funny. And then me, I don't speak fluent Korean, but we had a conversation. It was so cool to see. He was so fucking excited. He was like, yo.

I respected him. I respected his wife. You know, he's got a beautiful wife, you know. And I know, like, it's easy pickings when you're going go to a country and you're like, I want to get to America. You know what I'm saying? I don't know if that was the case, but it was so cool to have that experience with him. It was so cool to talk to him about Memorial Day. And as much as we talk about, you know, our country and what we do for our country, whatever, there's those

men and women that just don't talk about it, they be about it. They protect the honor and the rights of our country. For me, the experience that I had in the military, it was so, whatever your political views are, I don't give a shit. You know what I'm saying? Because people nowadays,

they want you to ... If you don't like i'll just give i'll just keep it clear like some motherfuckers believe if you support trump i can't fuck with you at all i mean i've lost friends over that. Like, I've lost really good friends that support Trump because I feel like, on my end, if you support someone that is a bigot and a racist, then I can't fuck with you. Okay, okay, that's of your mindset.

I understand that, right? And I'm not saying that I'm in favor. But can you support someone that possibly has done something about black incarceration? Oh, absolutely. Can you support someone that cares about small business? Can you support someone? All your views don't, do all your views have to align to be supportive of a candidate or can it be differences?

And I'll give you an example. A good friend of mine, Isaiah Washington, right? He's been coming on the attack by the media for so many different things. But he's a Trump supporter openly. Because there's some motherfuckers that support Trump on the low. And they support him on the low. And they support him on the low for different reasons. The fact that they got tax breaks, the fact that he cares about veterans.

It's a lot of people that support him on the low. But Isaiah said, I'm not voting for a person, a person, I'm voting for a party you know so when you say like if the person that he is emotionally it affects you absolutely i mean that's amongst other things right outside of policy like that that's just what's important to me so what is and i'm just curious what anybody got to charge it because i know i'm going to die soon and i got a very, God damn it, in my front seat of my car. Hold on, guys. You're so good. You got one? I got one.

I need a long one, though, Julius. Go ahead. I'm sorry. This is the Donnie Rollins show. I can do whatever. I can take a break, nigga. I can go. I know we got a whole.

One of these days, we got to go through the banks. Yeah, we got to. Wait, shit. I could go have a smoke break right now. Like, cut. Yeah. Come back like, oh, shit. No, back to what we were saying.

For me, what's important is, like, what have you done for us, our community lately, and what will you be doing for our community? So, the black community. So, that's the most important thing for me. So, this is the thing, and the misconception a lot of people have is that he hasn't done anything for the black community okay you've mentioned a couple okay but the argument is this argument always always get when when you talk about that the argument is okay but what did barack obama do for the black community and when that question comes to me, I say, nigga, he won. He gave

his inspiration. He let us know that it's possible. There's no such things as any excuses. That's how I answer that question. But if you do, and some people have, if you do the numbers, he has done things for the black community. But people are so caught up.

This is not me showing support. I'm just trying to make it an even playing field and understand what we're talking about. I think one of the biggest issues with the whole Trump thing is, like, you know, we live in America. There's only two parties, right? And if you're—I obviously can't speak for, you know, other people, but— What do you mean, black people? Any minority. Blacks.

Blacks. Let's just focus on blacks. Mexicans. Yeah, okay, let's focus. Man, fuck it. They're at home deep where they live in. Let's just focus on blacks. Mexicans. Okay, let's focus. Man, fuck it. They're at home deeper than they live in. Let's focus on blacks. You're terrible.

So if you're in the black community, you only have two choices, and they both probably aren't the best considering every other day there's a video of a guy on the neck of a black guy killing him, and it's a cop. And the cops serve the Democrats. And the cops serve the Republicans. And there's a cop. And the cops serve the Democrats. And the cops serve the Republicans. And there's so much racism. And it's just like, you know, it's a lose-lose.

Okay, with that said, and you're right. And a lot of people on both sides, motherfuckers, frustrated with the Republican Party. And, well, really frustrated with the Democratic Party. Then you got an independent candidate like Bernie Sanders who's like, this is supposed to be the savior. This is the one that's like, I can go... Well, he's a Democrat, actually. But he changed. Yeah, he changed. Changed his party for this election. No, he's...

For this... He wasn't independent when he ran the last time. A Democrat. Yeah, he was. He was? Hillary Clinton, yeah. It was the same situation. Okay, I'm sorry. It's okay. But, yeah, but people, they didn't... Well, he is the savior. I mean, his policies okay. Yeah, but people, they didn't. Well, he is the savior.

I mean, his policies are the best for poor people, 100%, because his number one policy is health care and, you know, wealth distribution, redistribution or whatever. What about reparations? I mean, reparations, I'm sure he's pro-reparations, but that's an issue that I'm not sure he talks about that much because it's so it's I don't know. I don't really know about reparations, but I mean, I'm pro reparations, obviously. And I would say Bernie Sanders would be as well. If you look at his policies, his policies are.

I didn't mean to shoot you, son. Yo, I didn't mean to shoot you. You shot Bernie Sanders. Damn. Hold on. I got this new show. Go through the banks, man. Go start in the beginning.

Oh, this is when I want to fuck with somebody, son. What? Oh, I'm going to lock and load. What'd you say, bitch ass nigga? Oh, let me see what's in two. I need some. I agree. That's enough political talk.

Nah, it's not enough because we're going to take a phone call in a second. That one's sexy. I like that one. You know what I think the worst part about Trump is, though, it's not enough because we're going to take a phone call in a second. That one's sexy. I like that one. You know what I think the worst part about Trump is, though, in all honesty? He emboldens people to fucking, to speak their minds. He gives people the strength to be fucking cunts. Well, the ignorant ones. Right.

Well, cunt, cunt, first off, that's for your people because cunt isn't a strong enough word for us. I mean, if you call white people my people, that's his people. I mean, yeah, anyone... No, I'm just upset with the words you chose to show how angry you were. Fucking dickheads, whatever. Yeah, that sounds better. Dickheads. Motherfuckers. Like, just straight... Dude, you see

people coughing on people in grocery stores because they don't want to wear a mask and they're making it political and so they get mad mad that people call for me i'm spitting that's what i'm saying they spit on people they cough on people and i'm like dude how are these people not just getting murked yeah straight up cough on me i'll fucking so i do have i do have friends in different places right of course people that can be uh i, more experts on these conversations. And there's a guy that I first was introduced from on CNN, Mark Lamont Hill. Always take a black person serious when they use all of their names. When they use all of their names.

And Mark Lamont Hill. And the thing that I like about this guy, because he's so honest, I feel like we come from... What was that? Oh, is your phone good? Yeah. I feel like... Oh, shit.

Wait a minute. Hold on. No, why is it not... Okay, guys. Hold on. Is it charging? It's not charging. What is it?

Okay. God damn it. I don't know how long I'm going to be on the phone with him and I don't want to lose it. All right. So, let's... Okay. So, okay. let me explain.

Mark Lamont here, I like him. He's a scholar. He's a professor. He's a Steve Charles professor. Well, you explain too, since you know so much, and you're the fact checker. He is the Steve Charles professor of media, cities, and Solutions at Temple University. He's an author, an activist, an award-winning journalist, and former political correspondent for CNN and

Fox News, and he's currently the host of VT News. Well, he got fired from both of those Fox and CNN jobs, but more importantly, he's a real nigga! He is. Julius is down here like we can't see him. He's down there. He's a real dude, and that's why I got this new bet, ladies and i'm not a news person but you know what i know news people

i'm not the smartest person but what i do is i know the smart come on donald all right going back to my news this is my don air rolling show and then okay we have power so again i like this motherfucker because he's a real nigga he's down with hip-hop i'm gonna ask the question to parker biggie i'm gonna ask the trust question peanut butter or jelly i'm gonna ask the question of wu-tang or not so i'm gonna make this phone call and we'll see if this guy's really my friend if he answers the phone hopefully he does phone phone i'm calling him he said facetime or zoom facetime

here we go can you turn my headphone up just a little bit? What are you? I'm one. Here. Mark. What's good, bro? Can you hear me? Are you clear? Yeah. On the line now.

Can you hear this? I did a news joint. Hold on. Can you hear this? Can you hear that? Oh, shit. You can hear that? Listen, let me tell you. I usually start with some old crazy shit, but because you're a news motherfucker, I got to do this.

Ladies and gentlemen, I've already told you that I'm not the smartest one. I'm not the best deck in the card or whatever they say. White people, you say that. I say that, but you know what? It's not the fact that you have to be the smartest person. You have to have the smartest fucking friends. And in my intro, you didn't hear. I said one of the things I love about you the most is your educational background where you're from and a lot of people can't take this

but you're a real nigga okay mark and i already said i need to know the truth about this bro um you a certain brother when you use your first, middle, and last name in your description. I don't know if that creates a certain type of arrogance, but when you hear like, like when I first started acting, I was Donnell Rawlings, right? And I told my agents, I want to change that. I want to be Donnell Maurice Rawlings. They was like, who they going to fucking write the checks to, right? And it was like Donnell Rawlings. So Mark Lamont Hill. Did you have a nickname growing up?

I had a couple nicknames, man, but Mark is such a short name. You know what I mean? Most people just call me Mark. I didn't even use Lamont. I started using Lamont because when I first started working in the business, Mark Hill was such an ordinary-ass name.

When people would Google me, a whole bunch of white people would come up. So I just started using my middle name for that reason. There wasn't no deep reasons. I wasn't trying to be like Martin Luther King or none of that. I just needed a name. I just needed some shit to come up with Google faster. Right, but then when you put Lamont, don't white chicks know what that means too, son? They want some of that

Mark Lamont up in this mother... We don't want none of that heel dick. We want some. Lamont. We want some Lamont. Alright, so you know last week it was a big news story. This thing's still in Chinese charges.

Joe Biden Joe Biden was dragged in the news by specifically the black community because of some comments he made about a black person and what he felt they were if they did not

vote for him and I know you are a person that's been through it you've been on all the news outlets. And this is where I respect your gangster. When you say you're mine, motherfuckers fire you. Twice! That's what the fuck I do is get fired. Yo, yo, that's what you know. You're speaking the truth. But when you heard these, and I'll play this for people

that didn't know, and it became popular on Breakfast Club with Charlamagne Tha God. I ain't gonna talk about that. But when you first, and I noticed on your Instagram page, you asked what other people's thoughts were, which gives me the impression that you didn't really want to say how you thought about it and wanted to get that question to your people. What were your thoughts when you heard this comment?

How did it make you feel? I was like, fuck, is he thinking? So Joe Biden is the kind of person person he can't control his mouth if you go back to the 80s he made jokes about indians and 7-eleven he makes jokes about i mean he made a joke even in 2012 uh on the campaign trail with mitt romney when he was like yeah mitt romney want to put y'all back in chain like he's that white boy to get a little too comfortable like you bring him you bring him to the party he's cool he act like he's cool and then he starts talking a little too much you're saying a little too much he Like, you bring him to the party, he's cool, he acts like he's cool, and then you start talking a little too much,

just saying a little too much. He's a white dude that smashed a couple of black chicks in college, I know that, but go ahead, continue. Exactly. That's how he moves, and so you know if he keeps talking, he's going to talk himself out of something. So for me, it wasn't a surprise, and I think he just kept talking.

I think he can't help himself, you know what I mean? And it frustrated me, not because of what he said. said i mean what he said was out of pocket but for me the bigger issue is when you say something like that what do you actually think about black people what do you actually think about black voters because when basically his whole vibe when he was like why the fuck you keep asking me questions like you know what you what you mean he came here to do like like a like an infomercial for his campaign of course right and it's like you don't do that to white people even when he kept saying man like like you know i mean trying to act like you're cool and comfortable like treat charlamagne like like a journalist ask you questions i would never do that i'm just saying i got different reasons i

would never treat that nigga like a journalist but okay okay this is my thing and we had a conversation over the weekend right and i'm not'm playing devil's advocate, you know? And to me, it felt like you said he wanted to be cool. You know what I'm saying? It felt like somebody that I felt like that might have been something he said in the privacy of his own home with his friends, possibly had that type of dialogue with some black people like ha ha ha ha i think my my opinion of i think that that was um what you want to say political locker room talk you know i'm saying and you could tell like you said he was trying to that's like a white dude like yo dig that right on brother you're like come on bro you ain't got to be there you can you don't have to talk like

that you know i said but it's but do you think when it comes to the Democratic Party, they just assume that they automatically are going to get the black vote because black people have been attached to that party for so long? Yeah, and that's what's disrespectful about it. Look, I'm not telling black people to vote for Trump. You know what I mean? I'm saying, look, in this election you might not have no other choice. But...

You might not have no other choice but to vote for Trump? No, to vote for Biden. To vote for Biden. I'm saying don't vote for Trump. So if you're not voting for Trump and you got one person and Biden is your choice, that doesn't mean, though, that I... We're in

a relationship with the Democratic Party as a people a lot, right? It's like if you get married and then stop doing shit, right? Like, oh, I got married. She already committed to me for life, death, do us part. Now I ain't got to take out the trash. You know what I mean? I'm not coming home on time. I ain't doing shit, right? Like, I got your

commitment. Now I can act different. The idea is the Democratic Party acts as if we've already committed to them so they don't have to earn our trust. They don't have to woo us. They don't have to court us. And so they take us for granted all the time. It doesn't mean you leave the relationship. It just means you try to make the relationship better. And so Biden acts like that. But they get so entitled that when you say something like, well, I got a question for you. I want to know what you're going to do for my community. Biden is like, what the fuck are you asking me for? Okay, Mark, okay, but when it comes to if you want to get Trump out of office, what difference does that make, Mark? What difference does that make?

What we assume, what difference does it make? And are we going back to the same situation when Hillary Clinton was running? Everybody knew that, one of my good friends, he was a VP, this major corporation. He was like, Donnell, listen, man, we didn't have a good choice. Now we know that we didn't have a good choice with Hillary Clinton. And then what, and I just learned what voter suppression means. Like, okay, if you don't vote, it's a vote for Trump. How do we, how do people not revisit that with the bickering and everything?

Is it important to beat Trump or is it important to hear our voices with a candidate that may not win? I'm saying let's do both. Let's make our voices heard and get rid of Trump. No other group is asked to do that shit you don't hear you don't hear lgbt folks say you know we're gonna sit this one out we're just gonna let uh you know we'll we'll we'll come around next time so they say look we go we want to vote for you but what are you going to do for us right i see that with every group they say look we want to vote for you we don't want to vote for him but you got to tell me what you're going to do

for me we're the only group of people that when we come and say, look, what are you going to do for us? They say, what you mean? You know, we good people. You know, Biden has not talked on his platform about what he's going to specifically do for the African-American community. Is that what you're saying? I'm not going to say he's never done that. I mean, yes, he has made claims and made promises just like he does for every community. But when you go to those communities, you go to those journalistic outlets, they ask questions about what you said you're going to do. And the difference is Biden has supported enough policy that's been a harm to us that we want to ask him about this. So when we say, yo, what's up with the crime bill? What's up with the three strikes legislation? What's up with welfare reform? What's up with prison litigation?

Reform Act. All the stuff that kept black people in bad positions. We've right to ask him about that and when you ask him sometimes he'd be like what you talking about oh he'll talk to you like you crazy he tried to he tried to make charlemagne feel as if he was asking a wrong question or try to talk down to him like like like what he was saying was what no no mark the reason why he was talking down to charlemagne because you didn't notice that i had a conversation with b Biden before he even took that interview. Okay. So I told him, don't respect nothing this motherfucker got to say. But I will say in the sake of journalism that Charlemagne does ask some Biden questions. He asked some questions that people are afraid to answer.

You know what? Great question. Not great. I ain't going to say great. They was all right. They was all right. He didn't ask him Tupac or Biggie. That was a real fucking question.

That was coming up next before you cut that shit off early. So, Mark, what you're saying is that we need to vote more, right? Oh, we need to vote. And we need to leverage our vote, man. We need to leverage the vote. We need to say, look, we're going to vote. But we're going to vote for you if you do this. We'd be like, look, we're going to vote for you,

and we're going to put you in the office, and then when you get in the office, can you look out for us? We already gave them the vote. But how many, Mark, how many people run that they have on a campaign, this is their platform, and then when they get in office, they switch that shit up. That's the sellout. Motherfucker can tell you, idiot, we're going to do this.

The reason why I went in the military, bro, because they told me that we're going to have these vacations. You know what I'm saying? They're going to have jacuzzis. I was like, sign me up, motherfucker. You didn't read the contract. I didn't read the contract, son. I was an NBA player, nigga.

Fuck that. Y'all got basketball? I'm going in it. How do we, uh killer mike said how do we hold them accountable and it's important to have that argument now and trump just smash this motherfucker how do we come in the middle everybody's happy we get a candidate that we get a president believes in what the african-amer, and I care about white people too, but I care about my community too, but how do we trust that?

How do we get to a point where we support that person? Because I think... I hear you. Yes. I hear you. I mean, politicians get elected to get reelected, though. I mean, you can get in office, but if you don't meet our needs, then you don't get a reelection, right?

You don't get to hold on to power. So the problem is, again, if you don't take us for granted, then you're not just worried about this election. You're worried about all the other elections. That's why the primary was so important. When we had choices, we should have been saying to them, all right, well, Kamala, you're saying this, and Sanders, you're saying this, and Warren, you're saying this, and Castro, you're saying this. Who has the best agenda for us so that they're on record saying it? And then when they go into the next round, we can keep pushing them. But the problem is everybody is so scared of Trump, which they should be. Everybody is so scared of Trump that they're not making the best choices that they can make. People are voting out of fear instead of out

of their hopes. Again, I'm being very clear. against trump vote but you don't you can you can walk and chew gum at the same time so mark when you say vote against trump why isn't somebody i understand what you're saying but when you say that we add all this other shit to the reasons why so why isn't anyone saying if you want to beat this motherfucker, you better vote for Biden? Why is it that everybody's saying, why is it they're breaking it down to like, OK, some of the policies he did in the past? Why everybody not coming together like the Republican Party saying, I don't really fuck with this nigga like this, but how can we win? Why is nobody saying that? I think some people are.

I think those are the people that are trying to shame us who are pushing back. So they'll be like, look, if you say anything about Biden, you're just helping Trump win. If you say anything about, if you ask Biden a question, you're making it easier for the Republicans to have another four years. And I think there are a lot of people saying that. And I understand why they're saying it, because nobody wants, none of us want another four years of Trump. But we can do both. We can say, but here's how you frame it. You don't say, look, Biden, because we ain't say, look, Biden, because we ain't going,

the truth is Biden knows we ain't going nowhere. So what you should be saying is, look, if you don't come up with an actual agenda that speaks to us, it's not that some of us are going to vote for Trump. It's that a whole lot of people just want to stay home. People don't vote against people. They vote for people.

And what I mean by that is like, if you look in 2004, George Bush, I got it. You got to remind me because I got 80. Do you say that they vote? What was that? You just said they don't. What I'm saying? It's not it's not to win an election. It's not enough to just vote against something. People need something to vote for policy like policies. Right. And that's what I said. So listen, it is 2004. George Bush has shown he was one of the worst presidents in decades. Right. He had took us into a war, got caught lying about weapons of mass destruction, was seen as stupid by at least half the American public.

But the Democrats didn't put forward a candidate that Democrats cared about. So it was like, just vote against Bush. Vote against Bush. He's such a fucked up president. How can we lose? The problem is they didn't have nothing to vote for. They were only voting against Bush. So a lot of people who hated Bush just stayed

home because they weren't energized. They weren't energized. Rockstar. You need a rockstar. Nowadays to be elected, it feels like you need a, I know it's sad to say, polities are the matter. Nowadays I feel like you need personality and you need to be a rockstar. You at least need

to inspire people and make people care. So in 2008, Obama runs. It's not just that Obama was different than the Bush administration and better than the Bush administration. Part of why he beat John McCain was because people believed in what Obama was selling. Whether you trust it or not, whether you like it or not, that's a whole different story. But people left their house to vote for something. I got to argue with you right now, Mark. I left my house because the nigga was black.

I'm telling you straight up. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? That's something to, Mark. I left my house because the nigga was black. I'm telling you straight up. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? That's something to vote for. Somebody say. That's something to vote for. I was like this. And I'm going to tell you, these goddamn Republicans are so fucked up.

And I'm going to tell you, right? I've dabbled with goddamn Becky. I've dabbled with Karen, right? And I'm going to tell you, them goddamn nasty ass Tea Party bitches. Listen, Mark, the day that I had to vote and this chick her top piece was fire which most becky's have they mouth game is fire right and she had me this was the second term i was like this man he don't need my vote like that i was like i'm gonna stay here and finish this job off and i tell you i'm gonna tell you i ripped my joint i like i'm not gonna do this job offer and I tell you I'm going to tell you I ripped my joint out like I'm not going to do this. I went and

voted I came back or whatever but that's that's the part like I voted somebody said would you vote for Barack Obama just because of blackness? I was like yep that's the only fucking reason I need it. We don't have that person. And that's what I'm saying. Joe Biden

if Joe Biden was on the ballot in 2012 you'd still be in that bed with that white woman. You know what I'm saying? Like, you would still be in that bed right now. I'd be there. I'm about to go. I'm about to hang this shit up. No, I'm just joking.

No, I'm just saying. But I think this. I think Biden, like you say, I think he thinks he's going to pass just because he rocked with Obama. And to be quite honest, that is the truth of it. People didn't know the Biden history like this. Oh, who's the Biden motherfucker? Oh, that motherfucker was rocking with Obama for fucking eight years.

You know what I'm saying? But with that said, this is a question and Republicans, they always say this, they say this, and you can answer this question better than anybody that Trump has done more for the African-American community than Barack Obama did for eight years now let's take away from the fact that my mom you know I'm saying was excited that we got a first black president let's take away from the fact that Reverend Jesse Jackson

cried when he got elected let's take away from the fact that Reverend Jesse Jackson cried when he got elected. Let's take away from the fact that Roland Martin was ready to party and go to an inauguration party that he was trying to hate. Let's take away from that. You know what I'm saying? But what is to be said about that, Lamont? And is there truth to that? There's no truth.

Mark Lamont. Mark Lamont. Sorry. It's all good. It's two things First thing is we do have to be honest About the difference between symbolism and substance You know having a first black president Is great symbolism

But it doesn't necessarily mean substance You can have a black president Running the same business As somebody else In the same empire the same way so so just because you're black don't make it better it's like getting beat by black cops you don't feel you don't feel racial progress of a black cop is over your ass instead of a white cop right i don't know i don't know that might be that like yo i don't give a fuck the word

nigga wouldn't have stuck if it wasn't a whip behind it son i'll just say that son but go ahead that's fair that's fair but you get my point. The symbolism is the symbolism isn't the key, but the question is what does Trump offer that Obama doesn't? Trump, when you look at the economy, the economy is better for the wealthy, but it's

not better for the vulnerable. When you look at the poorest of people, our situation is worse. When you look at people trying to access housing, our situation is worse. When you look at people trying to access housing, our situation is worse. When you look at black, gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender folk, our situation is worse. Look at this COVID shit. We're the ones dying from it. They wanted to shut this whole

country down. Niggas eat a lot of fried chicken though, Mark. Niggas eat a lot of fried chicken and sweet tea, Mark. Come on. But go, yo, Mark, them lemon pepper chicken wings, extra crunchy. Come on. Come on. But go ahead. I just finished the lemon pepper chicken wings, extra crunchy. Come on. Come on. But go ahead. I just finished the wings. I know, nigga.

And your cholesterol fucked up. You get COVID, nigga. You out. No, I'm just joking. But go ahead. No, but that's the shit they do, right? Yes. Yes.

We eat right. There's pre-existing conditions. But the biggest pre-existing condition is racism. And when you look at how people are living and what people's circumstances are, the reason we're dying in Atlanta at like, we're like 80% of the deaths and like 65, 70% of the hospital patients is not because we eating too, too much KFC or Popeye's is better.

It's because we are, you look at our housing situation, you look at the lack of access to healthcare, you look at all the things that make it, you know how hard it is to do social distancing in the project? To do what? You can't, you look at the lack of access to healthcare, you look at all the things that make it harder to do social distancing in the project. To do what? You can't keep social distancing in the project. If I'm stuck in public housing,

I can't keep six feet from everybody. I can't keep six feet from my neighbor. That's why in Starlet City and Brownsville, they have the biggest some of the biggest cases and they're like, how is that possible? Because those projects got those elevators.

It already was fucking smells like shit and piss already. So it's part of the circumstance. I agree. And that's what I'm saying. So that's a circumstance. People are like,

well, they just kept their social distance. Nigga, I can't keep social distance. Also, I can work from home. You can work from home. Other people can work from home. But if my job is to work at Target or Walmart

or the supermarket, not only do I have to get on the subway to get there, not only do I have to encounter people, but I have to sit there and help you buy your shit so you can go back home again and social distance and quarantine. So like the people who are already vulnerable are more vulnerable during these circumstances. If I got a heart problem or a health care problem or asthma problem or whatever problem, I need to be seeing a regular doctor. But if I ain't got a job with health care, I can't do it. So under Trump, what we're seeing is that all the social problems that we already had have only gotten worse. And the fact that he mishandled the COVID-19 shit only only tripled that because now you've got people who are already unhealthy and unsafe. And now you've got a national pandemic, which isn't't his fault but the management of it was his fault and that led to more people dying so nah aunties and grandmoms wasn't dying under obama from this shit you know i'm not an obama person i'm not i'm not like a cheerleader for obama i'm just saying trump did

not make our situation better when it comes to education housing health care public health none of that stuff and we are less safe, we're less healthy, we're less educated than we were under any previous president. Trump is the worst president in American history without qualification or exception. So, nah, that's why we got to get rid of him. Okay, Mark, do you

think that they are closet Trump supporters? And when I say this, do you think that there are people out there that's like, yeah when I say this, do you think that there are people out there that's like, yeah, I'm black. I'm a small business. I want to get them out of there. But if Trump wins, they'd be like, yeah,

I did save a lot of my taxes last year. Because that motherfucker is like a Geico commercial to some people do you think that those people out there just for the sake of face i'll say celebrities out there that want to be like man fuck that we gotta get them out of here but god damn if this motherfucker win i'm still gonna be good what about those people mark oh absolutely i mean when you look at i mean you look across the board first of all once you start making any amount of money in this world, and it's this, I mean, like, even, not like even like stupid money, just enough money where you got to give money back to the government every year. I'm as radical left as they come, but when it's time to write that check in April and May. Nigga, that's when I'm like this. I will almost put on a make it great again do-rag on last tax season, son.

Yo, I ain't wearing that baseball cap. Give me the do-rag. Nigga, fuck what y'all talked about, man. Let me get some of the red Tims, son. Make America save again. Yeah. But Ken. I get it.

Go ahead. I get it. But I still make the choice to vote on the left because I care about poor people. And I think it's my duty to pay more because I make more. But most people, when they go in that voting booth, they don't always base it on their politics. They base it on their desires. And so they make different choices.

And for white folk, I mean, if you look at 53% of white women voted for Trump, Trump was on tape, not talking about brown women by the unit, but what? Trump was on tape, wilding out. He's maybe the most sexist person we've ever seen on a public stage. But you know what trump was on tape wilding out he says he's maybe the most sexist person we've ever seen on a public stage but you know what mark would you be mark i just and i know i'm an interrupter but you know what are you good i'll just say that the truth of that his antics

in the way he lived in the way he partied in the 90s every motherfucking rap artist had a reference about that and wanted to rock out. It wasn't until he became the leader of the free will that they switched on that type of shit. Because if you ask me in 93, if I got a motherfucking party with, I get an opportunity to go to the Trump party, nigga. I'm going. It's popping up in that motherfucker. Oh, hell yeah. And that's the point, right? Too often, we don't aspire to get rid of injustice or imbalances in power. What we desire to do is be the one on charge of it. So we don't want to get rid of Trump.

We want to be Trump. And so a lot of people, and the worst people at this is poor white people. Poor fucking white people will vote against policies and against politicians that would help them because they want to be like Trump. And so they'll vote for the Republican who's going to raise taxes for rich people. But poor white people...

No, because they think they're voting against black people. And this is where the racism shit comes in. So like during Reagan era, during Bush era, during Trump era, there are people who make $ twenty thousand dollars a year who hate niggas and they will vote for trump because they think trump hates niggas and the policy that trump advances don't will help niggas like me and you and hurt them but they will do it because they think that makes them more white they think they're making america great again they think they're getting rid of mexicans and teaching Obama a lesson.

White supremacy is so ridiculous and nonsensical that they're convinced to vote against their own interests. Why we can't get a radical group like that? Why we can't get motherfuckers to say, fuck them crackers, you're getting out of here. Where is our group?

Is there, Mark, is there a political superpower or somebody that's electric that could invigorate the Democratic Party and get us over the top? Not us. I ain't going to just say us or get to the next level. Who's out there? I mean, it's a good question. Right right now the bench is kind of thin man it's like you know obama was like a superstar playing with no help you know what i mean so you know it's a little bit harder i mean hillary clinton was another superstar but she's kind of off the scene now so on the bench you're gonna have to look deeper and and right now i don't see anybody who has the right politics

and the right energy and to make it politics and the right energy to make it happen and the star power to make it happen you shouldn't need it I mean the country is on fire but it's never going to be the same again Mark it's never going to be it's never going to between Barack Obama

superstar whatever you believe about a Donald Trump superstar magnetic personalities these are people like oh shit Barack Obama, superstar. Whatever you believe about it, Donald Trump, superstar. Magnetic personalities. These are people like, oh, shit. I don't think it's ever going to go back to somebody that get elected that doesn't have that electricity or that personality. As sad as it's to say, our world has turned into a reality fucking show. I hope you're wrong, man.

I'm afraid that you're right, but I'm praying that you're why and i'll answer that mark and i said this just casually i was like and this is the reason why i said is because the aoc right yeah she'd be good listen let me just say this not that i agree with her politics or whatever and this craziness may sound mark she gets people excited she gets people talking shit you know i'm saying and andrew schultz says something that we are living in a world where we don't always get the best best person for the job we get the person that creates the spectacle and people connect with like that and when i said lc people's like you lost your fucking mind i was like like, fuck that. I'm rocking with L.C. But then when I found out. That's going to be the problem is that people want a superstar,

but they also want to keep all their money. They don't want people. Everybody want to go to heaven. Don't nobody want to die. So what happens is we all say, oh, we want poor people. We want to help poor people. Oh, we want to help the schools. Oh, we want to do this.

Then it's like, okay, we're going to raise your taxes. Then they're like, oh, I don't know. I don't know if know and and our whole attitude and disposition change is based on you know what we need so for me you know what i'm saying i think the aoc could work but we have to convince the country that that is worth it you know that's the problem with bernie how's he gonna pay for elizabeth warren she's too radical so then biden says well i'll keep shit the same and we're gonna go that's fine as long as he ain't trump that's fine but you need to you need to energize people around the idea if black people showed up and this is the thing and this was frustrating

and me not being black but with my community motherfuckers talk a lot of shit until it's time to put up. How do we change that? Everybody knows the problem, but nobody has the fucking solution. Where's the fucking solution, Mark? Unfortunately, it might take until this country is more...

I'm hoping... Because here's the problem. We know the solution. This is not a complicated problem, right? Just like voting. It's not complicated. We don't need a messiah. We just need everybody to vote. When everybody votes, Republicans lose. So Republicans' whole game is to create enough problems, enough obstacles, enough barriers, enough laws, enough distractions so that everybody doesn't vote, whether it's voter suppression, whether it's attacking the campaign, whatever the thing is, they don't want everybody to vote

and they win by the margin of people that don't vote. So the answer, honestly, first of all, is for us to all show up and vote. But then the other thing is we've got to have something to vote for. So, you know, the solution isn't some magic pill. It's to say, look, we want to live in a country where you shouldn't have to work hard. You know, just, just, let me say that, not say that. You should have to work hard. You shouldn't have to work three jobs to get healthcare. You shouldn't have to, you know what I mean? I shouldn't have to live in a great neighborhood and pay a million dollars for my house, my kids to get a quality, basic education. Like these are basic things that we could all agree on. And that we could all agree on. And if we could all agree on it

and say that we all agree on it, we could make shit happen. But the problem is we let them talk us out of it. Every time we talk about building schools or creating healthcare, the first thing they say is, how are you going to pay for it? As soon as this corona shit happened,

they found trillions of dollars, bro. They found trillions of dollars. That PPP money and that small grant money and that disaster money and that bailing out. They were throwing that shit out the window. You couldn't even fill out the application fast enough. I'm trying to catch one. I'm trying to catch one of them checks. I'm trying to catch one of them checks now.

Exactly. That's what I'm saying. So Mark, do you think this, can we change, this is a serious question, with getting black people to vote and be more excited about the election do you think it's a good idea to combine

a voters registration with a Michael Jordan sneaker drop I'm just saying I mean I'm trying to think outside the box bro I'm just saying I mean I'm trying to think outside the box bro I'm just saying whatever it takes

man look put that shit yo I'm with it whatever it takes to get people out there to vote we got the energy man we organize for what we want to organize for we just got to take the barriers away you know what I mean last night a white woman threatened to call the police, right?

Amy, what was her name? Amy Cooper? Is it Becky? I call them all Beckys. What was the reason behind it? She, she, because the dude asked her to put a dog on the leash. And she didn't want to put a dog on it. Oh, the white girl? You tried to get a

white woman to put a dog on a leash? Right. And she was not having that shit. He videotaped it. And she said, if you keep recording me, I'm going to call the police and tell them that an African-American man is threatening my life. And she then got on the phone and did it.

Within four hours after that video hit Twitter, we found her name. We found her job. We found the fucking dog's name, Henry. Right. Oh, yeah. They named their dog. Why do people name their dogs after real motherfuckers?

Real fucking people. Right. I'd be like, killer. Right. King or some shit like that. By the end of the night, her job fired her. Animal control came and took the dog. Like, we organized in five hours and handle all of that.

Imagine what we could do with that same. And we should have, because what she did was wrong. But imagine if we took that same energy, that same power and use it for other stuff that we could do. We can imagine it, Mark. We can imagine it,

Mark. We can imagine it. The story that you're saying, Mark, it is no disrespect to you it does not change every cycle it says the same thing what if what if what if we did we do know the what if so what is the dilemma from niggas doing the right shit is it because we need somebody to connect with or what is the difference we know if that question we can ask that question forever that's a fair point I just want to be clear though

it's not just niggas right black people across the board are apathetic Americans in general don't like to vote you know the reason we have Obama in office and the reason we have some of this shit that happened you know over the last 30 years because those Obama parties was popping too so I'm gonna go ahead yeah they really they really were that's a whole that's a different conversation

but um but but but the difference is black women and black people but specifically black women did vote and they vote in large numbers so we have to so we have to as first of all as men we have to replicate the energy of women and and vote as much as they do but also we have to as men we have to replicate the energy of women and vote as much as they do but also we have to continue to say what are the things that stop us from voting how can we make voting easier for folks for example

it's crazy that we still get off for Columbus Day but we don't get off for Election Day we know what Columbus did but black people to be quite honest we don't give a fuck what holiday it's a bar to be quite honest we don't give a fuck what holiday it's a bar it's bob i said earlier today we don't give a fuck what those holidays symbolize am i going to barbecue and am i going to list listen to frankie beverly and mays before i let go exactly that's do i get a day off of work right exactly so so imagine if we made election day made election day a national holiday and imagine if instead of in the vote

we had 24 hours to do it, instead of like 8 hours to do it, or 12 hours to do it. Now, all of a sudden, they're taking away some of the excuses. And now, all this electronic shit, I mean, we should be able to vote for my house. We should be able to vote for my phone. With all this facial ID recognition, we should be able to find a way to make voting easier

for people. Because again, all the rules that make it harder to vote, make it harder for poor people to vote. Mark, man, if we make voting day of holiday, nigga, guess what? Niggas going to be at the barbecue. I'd like to,

here's my question. You're a very educated person, professor. You know, like the level of you took your education, especially coming from Morehouse, which you said, and I read up on your shit that you partied so much

that you dropped out till you went to Temple, right? And I also know that you do a lot of stuff man i appreciate you're a real motherfucker you know and you speak at uh at prisons right oh yeah um for some people like i'll just put like this when i was younger me and my brother had two young brothers one was uh brother went to brown university and Georgetown Law, right? And this is so fucked up in the black culture. Like, we made him feel fucked up for being smart. Right.

You know what I mean? And I know you probably dealt with this. Like, go ahead, old bookworm motherfucker. Old 18-syllable, having-ass nigga. This nigga trying to read. Old bookworm motherfucker. Read-ass nigga. Oh, read-ass nigga.

Old smart-ass nigga. Oh, won't you go ask bookworm? He know the answer to everything. That nigga got bookworm motherfucker. Read that nigga. Oh, smart ass nigga. Oh, won't you go ask bookworm? He know the answer to everything. That nigga got book smarts. He ain't got no street smarts, right? Right. With that said, and I know you go to prisons to talk to people. And I know sometimes people could look at a person like yourself and say,

how do people in prison connect with you and your story? That's a good question. I mean, you know. I got a lot of good questions, Mark. Answer the goddamn question. No, I'm joking. I mean, to be honest, they're not as good as the ones Charlamagne asked me, but you're like a strong second or third, man.

Yeah, but you know what? You know what? I'm going to get that. Here's the thing, Mark. I can play the joke shit. That's my only shit with Charlamagne. It's like, you're trying to clown me. I can go either way.

We can go joke. We can go serious. And this on my podcast is that I ain't going to ask you. If I get RZA on the podcast, I'm not going to ask RZA, how'd you start the Wu-Tang? I'm going to ask this nigga, did you ever sneak food into the movie theater when you went in there? I'm going to ask you, do you know about the sugar sounds?

I'm not going to ask that question. So, hey, whatever boat they want to put me in, I know. Like I said earlier, I'm not the smartest, but I know the smartest person. So, to your question, to your response. Oh, yeah. No, they, you know, first of all, like, growing up, for me, I grew up in North Philly and then West Philly. But, you know, like, I grew up in the hood. So I don't, I don't feel disconnected from black people.

I don't feel disconnected from everybody. I know what the prison or got, or got shot or did something. You know what I'm saying? You told me your brother just came home. Your brother. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Dear, you don't, you know what just came home means, right? Yeah. It's not coming. Okay. I didn't want you to think that.

If it was anything to do with quarantine or anything like that, but go ahead. Yeah. He just came from isolation. Go ahead. All right, so go ahead, Mark. Exactly. So when I go to a state prison, especially in Pennsylvania, first of all, I'm going to see somebody I know. I'm going to see somebody I grew up with. I'm going to see somebody that knows somebody I know. You know what I mean? So it's already relationships there,

but beyond that, like, I'm not that different. We're not that different from each other. A lot of times when you get a lot of success, when they want you to go give motivational speeches, they want to get you to go and talk to people in fucked up situations and explain to them how if they had did what you had done, they wouldn't be where they are. They'd be where you are. And a lot of times the difference between where I am and where they are isn't that I made a different choice. A lot of times we make the exact same choices? I just they got in trouble They got caught or they had you know, it's very small differences between us And so for me, it's not about coming in there and acting like I'm somebody that they thought right

It's about saying we from the same hoods. We from the same places. We got the same situation But let me let me give you some game on how to um how to kind of pivot and use the same talent that you had and grow right to use it for something else man i mean i'll be talking i'll be talking to young boys maybe 22 23 years old and and they they they they in jail for hand-to-hand shit they're in jail for you know for telling drugs hand-to-hand on the corner and i'm like the amount of hours you spend on that corner not hours you spend doing this shit amount of time you spent watching your back running from shit running from police and then when you count up all the money you

actually made that year you probably made like 30 000 you could have got a job at target and i had shit to worry about and probably had better hours i'm not saying go work it yeah but you ain't gonna you know i'm saying you work it i mean i know this is breaking target but you know the bitches they trying to get bro it ain't gonna be because you work at going to, you know what I'm saying? You work at, I mean, I know this is like a target, but you know, the bitches they trying to get, bro, it ain't going to be because you work at target. You, we already know that. I get it.

I get all the connections, but all I'm saying is there's a way to hustle that same energy. Like without all the risk. And it might, I'm not saying the answer is target. It's the answer is not target, but the answer might be doing some other shit and figuring out how to use those same talents,

that same creativity that, I mean, you're looking at in jail, that's making full meal, full meal. I'm talking about, they make griddles. They creativity. I mean, you look at niggas in jail that's making full meals, full meals. I'm talking about they make griddles. They cook. I mean, they're making tattoo needles. I mean, we got the creative genius to take whatever's around us and rework it

into something that no one could have expected, right? We're making full chef's meals in a prison cell. We got cell phones. We got our whole life in there that we can create without observation from the state. So we got the talent. We just need people to motivate that talent. I never see anybody... I tried, Lamar. I tried, Lamar.

I do. I wrote my PhD dissertation. All right, why you showing off about this dissertation shit, man? You didn't have to bring that up, man. But go ahead, man. I wrote a rhyme. I wrote a rhyme. What's crazy is the amount of time

I worked a lot less hard than people in jail do working on their own case. You ain't met a nigga that's doing more than 10 years that don't spend every day in that law library trying to find a technicality to file an appeal, read it. They're better lawyers by the time they leave than people in law school so

again we got the skill they work way harder not did on my dissertation so my point is we got the talent so when I go in there my job is not to tell them that they broken my job is to tell them how to redirect their energy into something that they can use you know I mean and then you get people like my brother who come home and got all the resources in the world and don't do nothing with it right so when you go when you go to these prisons, your job is to be an example of what can happen

and to inspire and motivate, right? That's it. You know what? That's the only thing we can do, bro. People ask me what I do. You know what? And I try. Sometimes, I remember one time

one of my friends, she had this nonprofit and I told her I wanted to speak. And she was like, oh, no. I was so fucked up. I was so fucked up by that. She wanted me to donate some tickets to a show or some shit. And I was like, what the fuck is wrong with me?

What's wrong with me? They see them right in me and i don't know if this was why they had she had the situation because i spoke at this school before it was just uh it was just uh high school right and i went up there and everybody was like clapping laughing stuff and the first thing i said i'm a mark i said one of y'all gonna be a crackhead right that's fact listen yo i said what are y'all gonna be a crackhead and i ripped they was like just a dead mark they said oh uh-uh right they was like oh he great uh-uh don't don't do like i'll just give example of how we're sitting i said what are y'all gonna be a crackhead

they was like uh-uh uh-uh and then they was pointing at the one person no it's gonna be him other dude said it's gonna be him i'm just saying it's gonna be him i said listen to my point if all y'all point at the next person it's gonna be him that means it's a possibility it's gonna be none of y'all right and the teacher they was like i was like yo this is the only way i can talk you know the only way i can talk is like um i and i had some conversations i've been getting some really good feedback on my podcast and people like what are you doing this for are you doing this for money of course i'd like to make money off of this i feel more empowered if i know i create a platform that i can eat off of you know i'm saying right but at the end of the day the only thing and mark i know you've had jobs where it wasn't a lot of money. I hear how you speak on these news channels and stuff.

It ain't like you're trying to... It ain't like you can... And you's got books. You booked up. You know what I'm saying? But you don't feel like, oh, he's just trying to sell his book. He's passionate about it. You had a conversation. I forget what outlet it was, but it was Trinidad James,

correct? Ben Ferguson, Trinidad James, Don Lemon. Five years ago. And you, right? And you said something. You said something. Yeah. That, man, I jumped out of my seat and like, I fuck with this motherfucker.

How has your truth, how have your truth and your passion probably made you lose? Has it made you lose some opportunities? And then with those opportunities lost, what did you do after that? You know, yeah. I mean, the short answer is yeah, man. There's a way in this business where there's a way to get a job. And there's a way to keep a job. And it's about going along to get along and you'll be safe you know what i mean i could i could i could spend the next 50 years on tv just just saying vote democrat be cool this you know and

just and just play by the rules paint by the numbers right there's a million people on tv that do that and if that's your thing that's your thing but for me i didn't get into this but i got into this business to tell the truth in public i see myself as a public defender for black people a public defender for poor people so just like the people who can't afford a lawyer and you gotta get somebody to do on your behalf that's my job because there's a whole bunch of people who can't afford to get on tv who don't have the reach to get on tv so when i get on tv oh it's easy to get on tv mark all you gotta do is say you fuck somebody you You be on CNN, TMZ, and everything. That's true.

I fucked that nigga. I'm going to ruin his ass. Yep. Go ahead. Yo, that's all the fuck you need, yo. Yep. And that's what I'm saying. That's not my game either, right? So for me, the only way to get, you you know the thing is once I'm once I'm there

I'm representing for everybody who could not be there so back to the prison thing when I go in the prison the first thing people in prison say to me thank you for the shit you say for for us right you know what I mean thank you for the stuff you do for us when I walk through the hood people say thank you for what you do for us sometimes it's uncomfortable you know I mean because sometimes you just want to be a regular person in the hood and people like oh, I fuck with you I appreciate what you try to do One night You was given the old Lamont I was I was trying and like I'm about to go to

Ridiculous money in the air and and and and brother walk up to me say yo, bro. I'm about to throw some ridiculous money in the air. And brother walked up to me and said, yo, bro, I just love what you do for the community. Oh, nigga. Oh, shit. Oh, shit, son. What did you do? You just snatched your money back and you just started making it rain more. I just, I left.

I snatched it. It fucked up my whole. I can't tell you how many. I don't even go to shit clubs that much no more right one time i was getting one time i was getting a lap dance and she came over she's like yo you was my graduation speech yo i just want to thank you you motivated i'm thinking like god damn i couldn't motivate you that much yo so let me tell you something sir i i got my story of that shit when you know it's time to leave, son. I was at a strip club once, right? And this chick, man,

this chick, I ain't gonna say no names. I'll just put it like this. I had a lot of football coaches coming up, right? And then me and my man was kicking it with these bitches, right? And they said,

yo, he from Alexandria. And then my man said, he told the bitch, I mean, not the bitch, the stripper queen, the person that's, I don't know what you call her. Yeah, queen.

We don't want to call women bitches. Oh, no, Mark, Mark, Mark, Mark, I'm not going to answer that question. I'm not going to do that. I'll shoot you on that one. And I'm not calling them. That's my politics. I'm telling you my politics. Yeah, I'm using it in the context. Take that one, son.

But, uh, bad bitch. one, son. Bad bitch. Okay, listen. Yes, I'm sorry. Listen, ain't nobody got time to be in the bad. Let me try to do a fake. That's what I'm talking about.

You'll get mad at what I say. Take this. All right, but I understand what you're saying. I would never say it the way that people get upset about. So this African Nubian queen that takes all her clothes off and shows her vagina. Okay? Which is fine. It's her job. That's totally fine with that.

I respect that. But continue. Those African Nubian queens that do something strange for some change. Let's just make it okay. Okay, Mark Lamont. Then they said, this girl said, oh my God. I said, what? She said,

you probably know my father. Oh, I wanted to dye my beard when she said that. And she said, coach, I won't say, she said, coach so-and-so. And I was like, right? I was just shocked, right? And I was like right I was just shocked right and I was like what am I doing here right she said that probably knew my dad and I did know I said

what am I doing here right you know what I said to myself Mark I'm daddy! Too soon? You going to end my career today. No, no, son! No, I didn't mean like that. You know what? This is only my... Okay, these aren't the views of a college professor. These are views of a motherfucker, which would be me. You didn't agree with it.

And I'm going to tell you um i have had guests on this show and again i'm gonna keep saying the same thing i may not be the smartest person but i know the smartest people when i first started this i was like i don't have to do stunt casting i don't have to be like everybody you need to have so and so and so and so no i had need to have people on this show that i respect, I like their voice, and I can have an honest conversation with. You know what I'm saying? If you say a nigga on national TV

didn't cost you a career, nigga, I can't do it on this broadcast. That's probably safe. Yo, Mark, I really appreciate you taking the time out of your schedule. I know you got a lot there. It's my pleasure, man. It's my pleasure, man. I like what you're doing. I like the platform that you're trying to create and i think it's important you know what i'm saying but seriously for us no matter where we are whether it's what i was

half joking about the strip club but whether it's a strip club whether it's uh whether whether it's prison whether it's whether it's work whether it's the comedy club whether it's a basketball court with a barber shop we got to talk to each other we got to talk and we got to organize and mobilize each other because we all are just together man the work you're doing is important in that regard man so I salute to you man I'm happy you invited me whatever you need me I'm here. Last question Mark last question Killer Mike said it and Charlemagne the fraud God Jesus I can't type all Charlemagne the fraud said that now is the time

and when we spoke on this is it important Jesus, I can't type all. Charlemagne and fraud said that now is the time we in. And when we spoke on this, is it important? And not just to say, I'm sorry. Is it important to have for Joe Biden to have an African-American sister on his side? And it's important for us to have a black woman as the as the VP. Yeah. I think that it is important because if he's going to really show his commitment to black folk, particularly black women, because black women are the reason

why he's the nominee right now. When you look at him, he was losing to black women in the South stood up and voted and made their power known. So he owes it to us the way he's owed other people. Second, he has said before

he wants to empower black women. Let's make him put his money where his mouth is, especially after last Friday. Also, strategically, if you want to mobilize Black folk, you said yourself, you put extra effort to get to the poll because of a Black person

on a ticket. A lot of Black folk people will. So yes, put a Black woman on the ballot. It's the right thing to do. It's the strategic thing to do. And quite frankly, when I look at the options that are available, Black women are among the strongest options on the ballot. It's the right thing to do. It's the strategic thing to do. And quite frankly, when I look at the options that are available, black women are among the strongest options on the table. I mean, there's some good ones who aren't black, but I think black women are right at the top of that list. The only thing I'll say is it can't just be any black person. The goal here is not to put a black face in a hot place. The idea is to have somebody with the right

politics who can move us forward. So it me it gives me a progressive smart engaged black woman candidate and i'm with it and i know so many who your number one short you're now you had to put your money on it you had you before you're you're at a strip club mark right and before you make it rain on this broad right you had to put your money on who you would select or think would be a good candidate you're making it rain what person would you make it rain on and say that that's the person that could get it done it's a good candidate. You're making it rain. What person would you make it rain on and say that that's the person that could get it done? It's a good question. I think the problem is,

I'm not trying to avoid your answer. I'll tell you who I think. You are, Mark. You are. The problem is... You are, Mark. That was God damn avoiding that question. All right.

Who I should pick, who I would pick, and who I think he should pick are two different answers. That's what I'm saying. Okay, answer God damn both of them. Okay, That's what i'm saying. Okay, the answer got them both of them Okay The person okay. Wait, I shot you solo. Hold on hold on Oh damn, I don't want that. That's humorous. She he rishima. Sorry go ahead

That was atomic bomb who put that up in this I just tried to get you with a street joint like niggas be in the street. Ow, nigga. Ow, but who is it? If I'm Joe Biden, I pick Kamala Harris. Because I think that she fits his brand. She fits his politics.

So you support the police? Oh, god damn. He do. Like I said, his choice ain't my choice right but i think that if he wants i think kamala harris gives him his best chance at winning your choice uh my choice i and she doesn't she can't have it her name can't be like diamond probably i would say Nina Turner Nina Turner who's a state

Senator who was The chairman of Bernie Sanders campaign I like her she don't play though son she don't play God damn she about to say cracker Son she gonna say cracker son She gonna say it She's hardcore you know what I'm saying And it's not

It's not realistic that she would get chosen. That's what I'm saying. That would be my choice. But realistically, I think Kamala Harris is the right choice for Joe Biden based on his politics and his vision. And I think a whole lot of black folk will show up for Kamala. I think a whole lot of black people will be energized by Kamala. And I think it would make Joe look a lot better after what he did last Friday.

So I actually think it could be a game changer. I appreciate your honesty, Mark. I appreciate your honesty Mark. I appreciate your honesty man. I appreciate you being a real motherfucker man. And when I say this and this is why you said it white people need to understand this. Rule number one to say an N word. Don't say it. Rule number two. Refer

to rule number one. So with that said man I want to say thank you for your time, bro. You made my podcast feel smart. And you, my nigga, son, take this on the way out, son. Ow! Take it.

All right, man. That's what he do to his niggas. Oh, yeah. Thank you, man. Thank you so much. All right, bro. Peace. Oh, shit.

Did I say that? Oh, I hang up. Yo, good, god damn, thank you Mark. Oh shit, god damn it. Okay, ladies and gentlemen. Alright, this was the Don Air Rollins show. This is something we just added. We got a bank of different...

Got me! My favorite one. Ay yo, ay yo, yo. Hey, yo. Hey, yo. Hey, yo. Was they at the dock? Who was at the dock? These nuts.

Oh, hold on. That's when the joke doesn't work. We're going to play with this next week. Who's that? That's the door? Who is it? The food's here. Who is that?

These nuts! Got it! I don't know. Hold on. That's when you ask a motherfucker a real question. When you ask a nigga a real question, they don't have the answer. All right. Oh, nigga, I got a whole bunch of these shits.

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. What do we got right here? Nothing. Oh, nothing. Hold on. Uh-oh. Donnell, you got to learn the board, yo. I just got this.

Why don't you just stop it, okay? Be my friend. Be my friend. Be my friend. Got it. Suspense. Oh, man, Julie, you fucking killed it with this. But this is, I want to say, ladies and gentlemen, you already, uh-oh, where did it go?

I lost everything. Uh-oh, I ain't even got the voice. Hold on, hold on. Here we go. Here we go. Here we go. Let's go. These nuts.

Oh, not those nuts. Sorry, we're going to go. Yo, I had so much fun. I know people are like, oh, where is all the calm and everything? Sometimes you got to be real with people and let them know that you can have a different perspective and you can talk about different things. We are giving the world options

to what we consider to be entertaining, smart, funny, compelling. This is the Don A. Rollins Show. And I'd like, this is the old school what I wanted to say. I'm going to do this one. That's right ladies and gentlemen we got Derry over there we had to give him

five masks because he said I'm not fucking with you niggas if you're not going to be coughing on me shout out to Javanta shout out to Julia shout out to Brody the Joker

shout out to Beater Humor we're going to have you back on the show pretty soon shout out to everybody that's listening to this podcast shout out to Noriega for giving me an honest interview on the drink chance soon. Shout out to everybody that's listened to this podcast. Shout out to Noriega for giving me an honest interview

on the Drink Chance. Shout out to Angelie for last week. And shout out to the future of podcasts. We've been five months in and I guarantee you, you can bet your goddamn bottom dollar that we're going to be a television show. I'm Donnie R. Rawlings.

This is the Donnie R. Rawlings Podcast. And remember, a joke could be too soon, but it never could be too soon for a funny observation. Drop a bomb in these bitches. Let's go. Thank you.