Doomed to Fail - Ep 1 - Part 2: Mommy Dearest - Lori Vallow & Chad Daybell

Episode Date: August 25, 2023

Re-release time! Get your true-crime fix by listening to part 2 of our first episode - the story of Lori Vallow - the child-murdering prophet who thinks God wanted this all to happen, also there are zombies somehow? Stay tuned till the end for an update on Lori's sentencing! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/   Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail]  Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

Hi, friends. It's Taylor at Doom to Fail. Today we're going to be re-releasing part two of episode one, where Fars tells us the terrible story, all of his stories are terrible, about Lori Vallow, her, I don't know, fourth or fifth husband, Chad Daybell, and the terrible things that they did to their children. We released this back in January of 2023, so we actually have an update on their case that I will tell you at the end. So please enjoy and I'll see you on the top side. In the matter of the people of the state of California versus Hortthall James Simpson,

case number B-A-0-19. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country. Super in love, but I ended up making her very successful, which was, you know, always fun to see. And then Fars, I'm handed over to you for, give us something more recent. Give us some true crime relationships that turned bad.

I'm like, I'm nervous. Yeah, let's get into true crime territory. You know, Taylor, I think you and I, as well as a lot of our listeners, would classify as PhDs in true crime. And so the story I'm going to bring up, I'm just going to ask you at the top, have you heard the name Lori Valo before? I have, yes. Ah, okay. So now you know why we're drinking water. I'll get into that a little bit, in a moment. So my topic today is sent around Lori Valo. I just find tremendously fascinating. I should start by saying that her and this person that she was married to that we'll get to, their trials have not begun yet. And so all the

facts aren't out, but editorial stance, she did it. They both did it. So that's going to go with that. The facts are really, it's so abundantly clear that that is what happened. And so the reason I'm really fascinating with this case in particular is my general fascination with the concept of family annihilators. And so family annihilators are people who, I mean, it's self-explanatory, right? They annihilate their families. And to me, maybe I'm being a wet noodle, but that just seems like very antisocial behavior to kill your entire family. I think, no, no, Fars, I think that, I think that you're on the right path of that. I think that it's an Eldente noodle is someone who does not murder their family.

So we let's all stick with Eldente. Okay, great. Because there's some situations where people are murderers, and I can completely understand, you know, you, you catch your spouse with someone and you wipe them out. Don't do that, please. but it makes a lot more sense. Family annihilation is incredible and its ferocity and intensity and everything else. And what also makes this case really interesting

is the general makeup of family annihilators. So this stat is from a 2003 study I pulled up. So the numbers are going to be different now, but probably not within a huge statistical margin of bear. So out of 71 family murders, 59 were perpetrated by men, so about 83%. 95% of the perpetrators were both men and the heads of the household. So think Daddy did it, essentially.

In this case, we're going to find out that that's not going to, that's not the situation. So let's go ahead and set the stage. So Lori was born, Lori Noreen Cox in June of 1973 in San Bernardino, California. I have nothing against people who've been married a bunch. Totally fine. I've been married and divorced. People get divorced all the time. it's totally acceptable.

Totally. Five times feels like, it feels like there's something going on underneath there. Yeah, she's not like, well, I don't know, she's not like a movie star,

right? They get married like five or six times, but like also like to this, was any of the same people like over and over again? I think that's, I find that fascinating when people like get divorced, get married, someone new,

get divorced again, and then remarry the person from before. So it's like three marriages, but two people, but is it five separate guys? it's five separate guys and i'm just going to start at top by saying i could tell that laurie valet was probably an incredibly attractive woman in her youth and a lot of people probably gave her a lot of attention and so if your husband is a wet noodle team of the day then it would

be easy to continuously move on from person or person okay well she's born in 1973 she's not like 100, but fine. She's not a, no, no. So let's go let's, let's digest these marriages a little bit. So, 1989, married a guy named Nelson

Gaines. 95. 1982. Okay, I was like she was nine, so that's bad. That's the red flag. Yeah, big red flag. 92. 1995, she married someone named

William Lagoila. Okay. 2001. So that one actually lasts a decent amount of time. 2001, she married someone named Joseph Anthony Ryan, much to his bad luck. And in 2006, she married someone named Leland Charles Anthony Valo. We're going to refer to this person by his name Charles, because that's typically what the media calls him. And that's what he goes by in his family. And he's number four.

He's number four. That guy died. Okay. 2019, she has her fifth marriage to a guy that we're going to be discussing here in a little bit. So she bounced along around between marriages quite a bit. And if I was Charles, I probably would have thought a little bit more about how many marriages had happened within that time frame. So if you're counting, that is three marriages in nine years, which is, it seems, you know, again, numbers approaching anyone. And also, it's worth noting, going back to the water component of our chat today, that Lori is also, she was also raised LDS, but she was a Mormon.

So marrying young, having a bunch of kids, it kind of goes with the territory. That kind of makes sense because, like, I guess if you think you're not allowed to, like, just, like, date someone, you have to marry them, you know? But, God, there's so much paperwork. And it's just so expensive. And, like, it's exhausting. And to Lori's credit, to whatever I can give her credit, husband number three was physically and sexually abusive reportedly to her and her kids. Oh, that's terrible. Yeah.

So there's a whole host of problems. Did he die? He didn't, but he got it in a different way that we'll get to it. Okay, good. Okay, cool. So at some point, Lori decides that she's going to tell Charles that she's leaving him. And the circumstances under which she tells him definitely hint just from sort of not to break. So this is going to be the kind of punctuation point of Lori's just a free spirit to what the hell is went on with Lori type of thing.

So in January of 2019, again, she's still married to Charles. She told him she didn't want to be with him anymore and that she was the reincarnation of Joseph Smith. For anybody listening who doesn't know, Joseph Smith was the, I'm just going to say, charlatan founder of the Church of Latter-day Saints, also known as Mormonism, which we are referring to here is LDS. So she went to say that. I'm going to say that that's a bit, that's bigger to me than the divorce red flag is the, I'm a reincarnated person. If you're Charles, you already got to this, you already got to this point because you ignored the divorce red flag. Oh my God. Which is really interesting because if you think about it, I thought reincarnation was a Buddhism or a Hindu

belief and then she's LDS, you know, maybe I was speaking out of the turn here, but it's curious that she's blending and mixing and matching different faiths and belief systems here. Almost like none of them are true, and you can just come together. It's almost like that, Taylor, just barely. So Charles didn't love when he was hearing, clearly. He tried to have Lori psychologically evaluated, and that didn't go well. Yeah, she didn't take, she didn't take to that, shockingly. I can't find any information on what happens during this time. All I know is, is that she basically disappeared for 58 days.

Just gone. Nobody knows where she was. At least the reports on finding. She did have kids. She's left them. Yeah, she left them. Okay. So that's where we are with this.

So a month later, Charles files for divorce. In the divorce filing, he claims that Lori threatened to kill him if he tries to stop her preparations for the second coming, the second coming of Jesus. Five months later, in July, and this is where it's just, it just blows my mind. In July, Lori's brother, his name's Alex Cox, he shoots and kills Charles claiming self-defense. Yeah. At that time, these people are psychos.

This is absolutely incredible. So at that time, the police accepted that. They were like, yeah, that's what happened. And they just, like, wash their hands a bit. But, like, okay, can I ask some questions? What state, what state, what gun happy state are we in right now? Arizona. Okay.

Makes sense. And what did he say like, what, were they shooting each other? I don't know. Was it like a shootout? How did he get? Was he like, did he say he was like trying to kick me so I shot him with my gun? Like what kind of self-defense is that? So we're going to find out a little bit later that Alex, kind of a loose cannon.

Okay. Alex didn't seem like he needed a lot of motivation to assault or kill somebody. great i think we should definitely give him guns i think i think that he passes that passes the test for me yeah well give him out a gun yeah this family Lori's side of the family just sounds like a bunch of psychopaths it's absolutely incredible yeah the part i was going to get to a little bit later i'll dive into now is that he also assaulted Lori's third husband the details that are also a little bit murky but apparently he tasered the shit out of this guy which like that guy deserved it right That guy deserved it.

Yeah, yeah. That guy had it coming. So we're not super sad about that. But it's just the fact that this guy's first instinct in any situation, as I talk about it, not do, it's just pull out either a taser or a handgun. And like, what weird, I mean, speaking of, my minute, I'm just a speculation. But like, why is he a sister's protector in that weird way? You know, like.

So I didn't write this in the outline, but apparently, Alex and Lori, were weirdly sexual with each other in front of people. There was one thing I read about from Alex's ex-wife who said that when Lori and him got together, he would pick her up in that like Ryan Gosling Rachel McAdams notebook way. You know, where he's like with a hands on the gas and like simulate like rubbing against each other. It was, they had a weird relationship. These people are not normal. That's not great.

No. I'm, ugh. Okay. Yeah, not great. Oh, I'm glad I asked because. Confirmed. Now you have it in your mind. At this point, we're going to rewind a little bit

because we need to introduce another character who, surprise, surprise, is husband number five. Four years before all this transpired. In 2015, Lori began reading a book by a guy named Chad Daybill, which was self-published, because, of course, it was self-published, right? Very achievable goal.

Very attainable, yeah. The book was called Standing in Holy Places. It was a series that he wrote, and I'm going to get into, I actually did read a bit of this book, and I'll tell you my opinion of that in a little bit. Yeah, not fun. Three years later, they actually met in person for the first time in an event. So she read his book and then met him later?

Yes, yes, years later. Yeah. Apparently, she got into this. Like, I'm skipping ahead a little bit. The book is very end of times, doomsday. So part of me thinks that, like, her getting into this book, it kind of been innocuous. I think books, based on what the cover looks like, she might do the same thing. And she started reading it.

And all of a sudden, she's like halfway through the series. And she's like, oh, like now I'm thinking about the end times and all this. I feel like this 2015 interaction of like her getting the books and reading them. It kind of starts that whole process. And this is before she thinks she's Joseph Smith or after. Before. Okay. Yeah.

2015, book series starts. 2019. I'm Joseph Smith. And the second coming of Jesus is happening. I got a prep for it. So, yeah, the name of the book, standing in holy places. Three years later, they met in person at that event. Apparently, like, the morals here are relatively laxed.

So they had a few liaisons after that interaction. Lori would have parties when Charles was out of town. Chad would be there and then everybody would leave, and then he just kind of slink around and say there. And so they were, she was basically cheating on it. And then, yeah, and then in November 2018, Lori and Chad actually appeared on a podcast together. So they became friends.

Like, they became acquaintances, right? I'll get to the podcast. I also look at the podcast. I think I've heard I think I've heard snippets of the podcast, and it's a, it continues, it continues the crazy, but I'm excited to hear more about it. It definitely continues to crazy. It sounds like the podcast producers also named the LDS sect that they will eventually be involved in.

It's worth noting this is not mainstream Mormonism. Shockingly, the Mormon church has distanced themselves from these people and this sect, right? Did God tell them to? Yeah. Yes, Joseph Smith told them too. It was ordained before you signed your checkbook over the distance yourself. So the podcast was produced by preparing a people. The name of the podcast itself is Time to Warrior Up. I just hate this dickhead languages people use. It's just so, it's like you're not a warrior. Chad looks like a leather skin swinger from Florida. Like he's not like taking over the world or anything. They all had this vision of themselves. It blows my mind. It's interesting because it sounds like the name of the producer. the podcast praying people is also a name of the sect that they belong to. It's hard to actually dig into the details here because I try to go on to their website and I try researching the shit out of this. It's all shuttered. Like there is no, like even the webmaster who created the

website posted something on there saying, we're just going to remove this and go about our lives. Like we're not, we're done with this at this point. So that was not true. Not track for all. Yeah, exactly. So going to the podcast, again, I listened to it and the theme is just general religious, like generous religion and nature in the awakening to Jesus. It segues in a preparer territory. There's talks to the end time and preparing for the end time. They're just intense, stupid people. You know, it's like the worst combination of everything. It's having, it's like having drive, but your drive isn't to make the best sourdough bread. It's to just destroy the entire world or watch it be destroyed. It's awful. It's, I mean, have you read

obviously like i love dan carlin uh the history podcaster like love dan carlin more than more than anything and uh i read his book i've read up three years in a row around this time of the end of the year because it kind of like i don't know if like it sums up a lot of stuff and i wish it was written post 2020 because it does talk about pandemics but it's called the end is always near and it's uh about people have been doing this for fucking ever being like you know oh god Jesus is coming or oh no blah blah blah this is going to happen and then like scaring people to giving them their stuff and like making sure they're in power and it's just like such a thing over and over and over again so that's the interesting thing I don't think that these people

there was no profit motive here these people it's not like they went off and did something great with it like you'll find out what they did with it it wasn't like there was some grand plan I also love that I wrote here in this outline that as I was listening to this podcast because there's pictures of them up as they're talking so you can see the face and the voice match up to each other and they're like kind of this stupid shit. I literally wrote down small dick energy because it is exactly what it is. It's just just the worst of the worst. And then women are like ooh, right? They're like loving it. Yeah, Lori's cheating on her husband with this fucking moron. I hate, look, if your name is Chad, I don't have anything against you,

but he was a Chad. Let's be honest. So, and speaking of Chad, so he had some really interesting beliefs, obviously. If I were to summarize him, he's basically like, he's like a sideshow rouse out a con man. He's a religious zealot. He probably owned a bunch of crystals. We don't know for sure he had some gold chains that he wore with his shirt wide open. Yeah, just not just not a super appealing person. And on his belief system, he told people, this is where it doesn't totally jive with traditional LBS beliefs. He told me he lived on different planets. So there's some element of him being like this celestial being tied into all this religious awesome. Like he had already done that? Yeah, yeah. So I think, I didn't write it down, but I think it was somewhere around

50 or so planets that he'd lived on. Oh, good for him. Yeah, he's been all of the map, apparently. He also had this habit, which was, it just speaks a little bit to what you said about, like, this, like, desire for power. He had this habit of categorizing people based on how light or dark they were, but not based on, like, their skin color. No, no, it wasn't racist. It was based, yeah it was not racist but i mean it was arguably worse because it led to like a lot of death and tragedy but he was based off of how light or dark their energy was and so if you had light energy like you were in if you had dark energy then he just would would cast you out with just very very interesting mentality there he told lory good sorry no i also i'm just i just

feel like this is the best planet out of 50 there's just no way Like, there has to be one better than this. Like, one that's like... Like, why would you say here if you had an option of, like, a bunch of other ones? Like, there's got to be one that's better, but continue. Yeah, if the multiverse is true, then the Jetson actually happened. And so he could be in a flying car. Yeah, like, why now?

He also told Lori that she had lived 21 different lives. Just a lot of stupid shit. And apparently all worked on Lori, because clearly you'll see that she's very, very thin with this guy. So, it's interesting. We're going to introduce another character in this. story. Her name is Tammy. So in the middle of all this, and to literally nobody's surprise, Chad was also married at the time. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Chad bounced around a lot less. Apparently, they were married for 29 years, so he was taking it seriously up until he didn't. Seven months

after Charles is killed by Lori's brother, Alex, Tammy is found dead at her home. The bottom of a staircase? That's my guess. No, I think she was a the bathroom, actually. Ugh. Yeah. And this part, again, blows my mind. It just shows how little people care. No autopsy was done because Chad, as her husband, was like, no, I don't want to

autopsy. Just throw her body in a trench and we'll call it a day, basically. I mean, obviously, like, Lori was cool getting divorced. Just fucking get divorced. Yeah. Don't kill people. I don't understand. Like, getting divorced is fine.

Like, getting worse a ton. Maybe you should talk to a therapist. But, like, don't kill them. don't kill people. I do have my suspicions that Lori also had Alex kill the husband. So like Lori's not. Yeah. So their lives were colliding in a way

that was incredibly destructive at this point. I do. I do also want to I guess also Catherine the Great did have her husband killed. But that was like, it was a whole other thing, you know. Everybody was killing everyone back then. And she went on to do good things. So it wasn't, you know,

it could have been worse. Yeah. Yeah, it could have been worse. You could have been married to to a lawyer chad here. This part I find like almost comical although I shouldn't be laughing about it because it's tragic. So before she died, Tanny reported that someone tried to

shoot at her when she was in her garage and she thought it was a paintball gun. I don't know but I think she was delusional. Like a paintball gun leaves paint's residue

none of which was like someone was trying to kill her. Like, this is right before she's found that. I think, well, two quick, two quick things. One, my dad did get shot by a paintball gun one time walking down the street and he thought he was shot by a real gun because he like heard the gun go off. It hurt him and he looked down and he like had like a big stain in his shirt and it was orange. And this first thought was, oh my God, I bleed orange. Okay, okay. Well, we'll give me the benefit of the doubt. So that I think it was confusing when you're under fire.

Also, for Christmas, my husband bought me a knife with my name engraved in it. So I can't use that knife to kill him because it has my name engraved it. That's exactly why you get it, too, I'm sure. So, yeah, so obviously there's some parallels happening between Lori and Chad as they start to get closer to each other. And this is around the time that we should introduce the children of Lori into the mix. So there are three. There's Colby Ryan. This was with husband number two.

He's at this point 27 years old. He's not relevant really to this story, except for the initial. involvement he had and trying to find the other two kids. So, um, super cute. I don't know that. I've not seen this dance pictures. He's very cute. Continue.

I just wanted to bring that up. Listeners, look up Colby, Ryan, and you can let us know if you also think what Taylor thinks. Colby was adopted by husband number three. That's why he has the same last name, Ryan, as the guy who was sexually assaulting, amusing, and hurting everyone, basically. Right. It's terrible.

The other two are Tiley, Ryan. she was born to actually born to husband number three in 2002 and then JJ who was born in 2012 now this was Charles Vallow's great grand nephew who the couple then adopted as their own so it was for whatever reason they didn't think the family should take care of them and they adopted him as their own so okay on September 8th Tiley was last seen at Yellowstone with Lori and Alex again Alex is a psycho like why are they taking this child alone into like a national folk it's just like he's already killed so he's already killed charles yeah he's already killed charles okay yeah anyways again like i wrote down here loy's brother seems

critical to all this stuff like he obviously has incredibly violent tendencies and now they're just going to go camping alone with this child yeah a few weeks later on september 24th we're still in 2019 Lori called jj school to tell them that he's being withdrawn to be home we actually don't really know what happened between the 8th and the 24th. There were some discussions about neighbors seeing them packing a car late at night with stuff and like whatever. Like there's again, the facts haven't come out yet. So this is all speculative. On November 5th, Chad and Lori get married. And this part again just blows my mind how incredibly stupid these people are. So this is this is they get married two weeks after Chad's wife is found dead. So

red fly right oh my god wait a month jesus christ yes yes wait four weeks after the death of the i'm going to say that's the minimum yeah 29 years it's incredible so again this is the part that blows me away and this thing corroborated so at the wedding i guess like people were asking where the kids were and they told them that tiley was either dead as of 2017 or that Lori had no children at all. What? What? So this part, I know, because I know, I know this part of the, partially the story, but, like, I feel like as I want to be like, as a parent, this is crazy.

But that's, as a freaking human being, this is fucking crazy. You know, like, I don't get nothing special for being a parent. Like, what? That doesn't make any sense. Like, you're, like, you're lying and you're, like, in the weirdest way possible. Like, why is a strange. it's a very strange boy to get out of the fact that you definitely killed these kids. Just like say they're with someone else.

Oh, they're with my friend, Beth. I don't know. So they get around to that. They get around to that, but they get around that with the police, not with everybody else. But obviously, all these facts just stack on top of each other. Again, it's all circumstantial, but you can deduce something out of this, this behavior. So, and this is the part where it all kind of spirals into that scenario. a few weeks after this marriage,

JJ's Grandma Kay, she called the police to get a welfare check on JJ. Lori then told the police the kid was away with a family friend named Melanie Gibbs. Again, not to disperch anybody. Melanie is also on these podcasts

if you start looking them up. And again, like just put the face to the voice and hear what they say and you'll reach your own conclusions about Melanie. These like the dooms day podcasts? Yeah, yeah. actually I think the podcast

we're all taking down so anything you find to be archived through YouTube but still it's worth just listening for a few minutes just to know that there's people like this

that exists in the world I need a little rage boost oh yeah yeah police called Melanie and they were informed that she hadn't seen JJ in months the FBI

and local police went to search the house next day only to find that had been abandoned Melanie later confessed the police and Lori and Chad told her to lie to the police

about the whereabouts of JJ so basically Lori and Chad called Melanie was like, hey, people apparently are asking questions about these kids because, oh, my husband's dead at the hands of my brother. And now these kids aren't around and people are being really suspicious about it. And so they're asking me like other people are annoying. You know, like, it's very, it's very Casey Anthony at the hot bodd contest. It is very, very Casey Anthony of them. That is a great reference. We're to throw that back. So around December of the police, also become aware. So at this point, they're like, we just are looking for JJ, because there is nobody else asking about Tiley because I guess Tiley's original dad and then later stepfather didn't really care what was going on with Tiley. And Lori obviously didn't care. And so this time, the police don't even know that Talley's been missing. December is when they become aware that, oh, there's another kid involved here. What's going on with that? Yeah. And so at that point,

things start unraveling pretty quickly, which it should be because these people are complete idiots. I started looking at Taney's death more closely. They exhumed the body to conduct an autopsy. We actually don't know what the results of the autopsy are because officials never released that. I'm sure it'll come out during the trial. That's nice that he didn't have her cremated. What an idiot?

If I murder someone, I'm going to have them cremated. That doesn't, that there's a good point. Yeah. Well, you got that listeners. If you kill someone, make sure you premed them. Yeah, but don't kill anyone. As the investigation starts narrowing in on them, Lori and Chad, this side of the bucket, basically. They released a statement to their lawyers, which was the stupidest statement I've read in my life,

about their just loving parents and just everything you would expect of people who are obviously guilty of doing horrific things. But I don't know where my kids are, but like, come on. Yeah, exactly. Just look at them. Look how happy they are. Look how free they look. Oh, my God. So on February 20th of 2020, Lori gets arrested and I'm going to confess my favorite vacation destination ever.

Kauai, which is an island of Hawaii. She was initially just charged for desertion and non-support of a child because nobody can find the kids. There's no body. There's no evidence of anything. We just know that there was kids and now there's no kids. There's also several misdemeanors that were tacked on her because she was apparently a huge pain in the ass to deal with for the police because obviously. Yeah, so she was extradited. And at this point, she was actually living in Idaho.

And so she was actually headed back to Idaho and held on $1 million of bail. On June 9th, a search warrant is executed on Chad's home, and they find human remains. Chad is then charged with murder. And yeah, and on June 13th, it was confirmed that those remains belonging to JJ and tightly. Oh, poor babies. You can also just like. Leave it a fire station. Yeah, you can be a bad parent and get your kids taken away.

and they go into foster care, which is like, not great, but better than being dead. Yeah. Yeah. There's also a part of this that when, so apparently Alex and Chad were on the property at some point. And Chad texted Lori that I just buried a raccoon or something. Like, we don't know what any of this means, but it's, again, it sounds like Alex was involved in all this stuff. And so, yeah, that's where things mostly, um, Stop. There was a lot of legal shuffling that happened. Charged were dropped. Others were added. Bail went up, bail went down.

Lori actually was found at one point to be completely incompetent to stand trial. And then later on, that was reversed. It's very interesting. Initially, I mean, you can tell that she's not well. I mean, she believes in some pretty crazy shit and she killed her kids. So like, yes. And editorial stance, I do think she was involved in killing the husband as well. So the trial was originally set for January of 2020, 2020. So it was about to happen. Then that date was canceled and it's supposed to be moved up to some date that we do not know yet. This is kind of a crazy story. There's so many things going on that we haven't covered. So there's another piece of this.

Again, this family is absolutely incredible. Other facts that came out in the middle of all this was that Lori's nephew-in-law was shot at by someone driving Charles Vallow's car after Charles had died. It's just like... What? Yeah. And then Alex, the crazy brother, he died suddenly in 2019. Like after all these deaths presumably happened, it was attributed to natural causes, but there's so much, like, there's so much death surrounding this family. It's just, it's just kind of nuts. You know, I, yeah. So no justice for that guy, but he should have, he should have been in jail for a long time

because he killed someone but i guess i don't even know would he ever been in trouble because they already were like oh it was self-defense for whatever reason so i guess well he they never tried him so it would have been like a double jeopardy situation they could have later on discovered it they put you know if they actually gave a shit they could have looked at phone records and no one how sworn these people are lorry was probably texting like yeah trawls in the front yard nobody's around make sure you put it to his temple you don't mean like oh yeah they would have figured something out good job practicing shooting at Tammy in the garage you know when I was when I was going through and just like researching

this family and going all the way in the weeds on this it occurred to me and the analogy I came up with was this is basically as if the Luth family from rest of development and the firefly family family from house of a thousand corpses came together like they're psychopaths they're also bumbling and stupid it's like a weird mix of both right and they just like believe whatever they want to believe I just do we know how the kids died We don't, we don't, we don't know anything. Yeah. It just makes me so sad because, I mean, obviously this is like so sad for the kids,

but like, what were they telling the kids, you know? Like, imagine, like, living in a house where your parents are like, or whoever, your mom is like, blah, and like, the world's going to end. And I'm, don't worry because I'm reincarnated, blah, blah, blah. Like, do you believe them, I guess? Because you believe your parents. Like, that's, you know, as a kid, you're like, okay. So, like, were the kids afraid?

Like, were they together when they were killed? Do they know? Hopefully they didn't. I just like, I always, like, go to the worst case of magic. them like being afraid before they died you know and like that's just oh that just like makes me sick i can't imagine yeah it's the it's the trust they put in their parents and then hopefully hopefully not knowing what the hell is going on before it happens yeah yeah so so yeah i think you know i kind of went into conclusion mode here um again because the trial has been set

a lot of the details are still you know up in the air I honestly think that the moment this relationship was doomed to go this direction was when she started getting, when started just even reading Chad's books and then, because if it wasn't Chad, I think it would have been someone else. If it wasn't, because she started thinking like a, like just the worst version of like an anti-vaxter out there. Like she just started putting these pieces together for herself. And if it wasn't Chad, I really do think they would have just done it with someone else. else they had a i do think so my take on it is that they had some sort of a positive validation

feedback loop between each other i didn't say this but chat and tammy they created that company and it had been around for a while they did the self-publishing they published all kinds of books it wasn't just theirs okay so tammy like also was kind of crazy well yeah i mean not I mean, I'm saying, like, she believes, like, this, like, doomsday, end of the world, stuff that they're talking about. And so, like, so Tammy's not like, oh, my husband's going crazy. She's like, no, we're fine. This is what we've always done. Yeah, basically. But my point on that is that for 29 years, well, I don't know how long the publishing company was around, but they were married for 29 years. So Chad was apparently together enough to hold a marriage

together for 29 years, which I haven't done before. And then on top of that, they started and ran this company where Tammy was like the CFO and he was the CEO and they had like employees and staff their publishing. Like I don't know who was the driving force, but it feels like when they came together, they fueled each other. Yeah. Yeah. In a really bad way. Yeah. So and again, this is this another thing. Like this one's really, really interesting to me. So in March of 2020, after everything happened with Chad and Laurie, they're in jail. There's a guy named random. Bordreau, hopefully I'm saying that right. He had a child custody dispute with his wife, Melanie Poloski.

I'm doing great here. Beautiful. Brandon is Lori's nieces, ex-husband. So think of Lori's sibling, has a niece, and then that is the ex-husband. So in the filing, Melanie told Brandon that she was concerned for the kids because Lori and Chad believe, quote, their children are possessed and had become zombies, end quote. So this is in a court filing for a custody battle that had nothing to do with this. This is going to be incredible, okay?

So it goes a little bit further. In the filing, literally, they handed this to a clerk of the court. It defines zombies. It defines zombies. And this is all quotes. human bodies that have had their original spirits forced from them and have been possessed by either a demon, a disembodied spirit, or a worm, or a slug, end quote.

The worm and slug part I don't really get. No, that makes sense. What are you talking about? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. They said that about other people's children? No, they said that about their own children. And I don't know what the relevancy of that is in this child custody battle. Maybe it has to do with like Brandon's judgment of bringing his kids to Chad and Lori's

house to hang out after they kill their kids. Oh, also because that part I remember from this story is like, they would be like, oh, you know, what, I have bad news as far as it's a zombie. And they'd be like, oh, no. And then like, think that you were a zombie. Yeah. But I didn't realize the particulars of how you got there. It's not, it's not rise from the dead.

there's a worm. I'm a warm now. Or a slug. Well, the spirit is the worm or the slug. I mean, look, we're already like so far past. Like, it's just like, yeah. So I actually try to read another one of the books that Chad produced. It's called The Great Gathering. And it's in the same series. It's the same series that Lori got obsessed with. And again, I'm not religious, so I don't actually totally understand this stuff. But it really seems that you have to be essentially a super mormon to even follow along it almost reads like the bible like and then isichaya of jerusalem with like it's just that name after it's just such drab bullshit i can't i mean i just see a lot of like carpet in their house i don't know why but they probably had a lot of carpet just like crosses hanging

everywhere just probably had like a really fucked up vibe to it um a live left love sign and like a lot of stuff from hobby barn no it's it was probably more like kill the zombie sign and like had a dagger and like a beautiful font yeah and a beautiful that it's absolutely whackadoo and the book itself was obviously very end-timey it's all about

the battle of good versus evil but here's the thing about that I found interesting was that it wasn't metaphysical it wasn't like some ethereal like good versus evil concept of like the nature of good versus evil it felt physical physical it felt like this is happening and then you hear the mechanics of what you do to combat it not like prepare your mind for the ultimate bad no that shit like it was very very literal yeah very

literal it just seemed very matter of fact the way they framed it so tiller what's your take i'm so sad i'm so sad for those poor kids um because they didn't deserve to have these crazy fucking parents And the thing that is just, the thing that really, I think is a red flag for, like, after all, all said and done, it's all of that weird, like, oh, I never had a daughter. Or, oh, she has been dead for years. Or like, oh, I don't know. J.J. must be somewhere. Like, that kind of, like, callous, casual lying is so crazy.

Like, it's like, you're crazy. Like, you can't, like, that doesn't make any sense that you can, like, say that out loud and, like, look at it. people in the eye and say that, like, something is very, very wrong. So that I think is like, I feel like good job to people who like called the police and stuff because they're like, this is not, this is crazy. You know, I don't know, any other word to say it. But like that, that amount of lying is so weird. So like, what else did she do her whole life? You know, that like was like that. Yeah. Look, if I don't want to answer a question, I just,

oh, like, there's the buffet. I got to get like more shrimp. You know, I mean, find a different way to deflect, but just, like, sitting there with a stone cold face saying, this kid's been dead for three years. It's just, it's just, other world days. Yeah. Yeah. And then, like, on her wedding day, two weeks after the freaking other wife died, I can't believe people went to that wedding. That's also crazy of their friends, because I feel like, if, you know, if that happened, I'd be like, I feel like my friend Chad is getting married too soon. I'm going to maybe back out of this one or, like, not be involved in the celebration because his wife was just murder.

or died of whatever causes. I'm hot now. I'm taking my shirt because I'm just angry. I'm just sad. Taylor is just taking off her jacket, not her shirt. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, my outer shirt. But I'm hot and bothered because I'm so sad.

And just like, it's so frustrating because it's like, for what purpose was all this? Like you're saying, like, if I'm not going to be super rich, then like, what was it for? Like, why? Like, you're not prepared for the end of the world because that's not true. And also, like, you didn't have a lot of stuff.

stuff. And like, I don't know, it was just like, like you said, like ego, ego loop feed each other with it. And like, I'm sure he fucking loved that this like cute little blonde woman was like, I love your book. I mean, I know. As a male, I can attest that when women feed our egos, you can do pretty much anything after that. So again, you know me. You know that I'm very respectful towards everyone's belief system. But I do think that Mormonism played a pretty big part of this. Because if you understand Mormonism, you have to make multiple leaks of faith

to get behind it. And also, I think that it puts you in this infantized state of mind where you're like, to your point, you don't date, you just immediately get married to the first guy because you're horny and you need to like just figure it out. I think Lori in general, because of the way she was raised, had to suspend a lot of disbelief.

Yeah, totally. And then I think that her introduction to chat, was just the catalyst that took over the train when the conductor jumped off. In his mind, chat was the, what's, it's God's warrior. And I think that to someone like Lori, that is believable because she's believed so much to that point. If you already believe some stuff,

then like, remember that abducted in plain sight movie? Yeah. Where, like, the guy told the girl there were aliens after them and all this stuff. And she's like, I already believed in all these, like, fanciful religious stories so like why wouldn't i believe that you know exactly exactly that yeah yeah me yeah i guess i guess the lesson for me at the end of all this is that if two people with the same brand of crazy meat maybe slow your role talk to someone if your friends are telling you

things listen to them although i never do that but as a general advice and guidance to everybody else please do it um so that's it that's our first episode yeah i also want to say don't don't kill your children at the very bare minimum i go out on the limit say or anyone ever like maybe kill your husband if he's a shitty emperor and you have better ideas like potato potato but like don't kill your children yeah yeah spouses take some you know children not so much case by case basis children no awesome well i think that's it um thanks everyone for joining and if you have any red flag tails of your own that you'd want to tell us, please send us an email at So hi everyone, I hope you enjoyed part two of our first episode. The little update that I have for you

is Lori Vallow was sentenced to life in prison, which is great because she's awful. During her sentencing hearing, she said some crazy shit and like a statement that she was allowed to make. She said that her kids are grown up and happy in heaven. They visited her. They told her that they're fine not to worry about them. Jesus visited her, told her she did a good thing. Everything's fine. And she also quoted that Bible verse where it's like, thee who has no sin cast a first stone, which is like not about killing your children, Lori. She's absolutely bananas and luckily she will be in prison for the rest of her life. Chad Daybell, he has not been sentenced yet. His sentencing is set for April 1st, 2024. Hopefully he gets the same, gets life in prison because he's a bad guy. So that's

our update to that awful story. We're still so sad for those poor little babes that did not deserve this. Stay tuned. We have a brand new episode for you Mondays and Wednesdays. And then next Friday, we'll see you for part one of episode two when we do that re-release. Thanks for listening and make sure to follow us on all the socials at Chiquifil Time. Thanks.