Doomed to Fail - Ep 102 - The Fatal Masquerade: Bal des Ardents

Episode Date: April 29, 2024

Today, we bring you to one of the worst parties of all time. It's 1393, and The Mad French King, Charles VI - was mock-celebrating the third marriage of his wife's lady-in-waiting (I know that's confusing, hang on), and the celebration turned into a horror show when The Duke of Orleans brought a torch a tad too close to the King and his buddies dressed like wild men of the woods. Someone invite us to a masquerade please! Sources:The French King Who Believed He Was Made of Glass - https://daily.jstor.org/french-king-who-believed-made-glass/https://forvo.com/word/bal_des_ardents/ A Distant Mirror: The Calamitous 14th Century Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

It's a matter of the people of the state of California versus Hortonthal James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country. All righty. We are reporting up and running, Taylor. Welcome to Doom to Fail. I'm going to introduce us for the first time on time. We are a podcast about who even knows anymore.

we know is it released two episodes, one that Taylor does the work for and one that I do the work for twice a week. And that's all we know. That's all we know. I love that. I love that for us. I'm trying to like describe who we are on social media before I start talking on like a TikTok because I know people do that. And so I've been like doomed to fail a podcast we talk about historical failures and disasters, things that went wrong. And I talk about a thing. I don't know if that's working. It's not. But that's my new plan. among many plans that are mediocre. We will keep mixing it up and see what sticks.

Eventually, one of them will. So how you doing, Taylor? I'm good. I just took a really nice nap. We had a very big Saturday. We had two baseball games and a piano recital and a birthday party. And it was a lot. And we had guests over our sister-in-law and nephew are here.

Evely, you can come in. They're sleeping in my office. but we are good. Nice. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. My weekend has been very not relaxing and just like working on house stuff.

Man, it is never ending. It's never ending. It's so exhausting. And like I look at like people I know on their stories on Instagram and it's like they're out. They're like socializing. Trying out the whole new restaurants in town and having fun looking drinks. I'm like, I was like, nailing weather stripping to the side of the garage earlier today.

Good for you. That's my life. Good for you. So, yeah, let's go ahead and kick things off. I think if I remember right, you go first today. I do. I do. Thank you.

And do you remember when you used to do like themed drinks? Oh, yeah. What happened to that? I'm not doing that anymore, but I'm drinking Diet Coke. I would like, if I drink this diet Coke, well, I feel worse or I feel better. And it's probably worse, but like I just really want it. But this, I'm using this crazy. cup. It doesn't look crazy in this video, but I wouldn't do this.

It's just like very long. Can you tell that it's a white glass? But it's got like a really long stem. Got it. Okay. And I don't know why I feel like this is the way I want to enjoy my diet cook right now, but it is. Can you hear that? Yeah, I love it. I love it. Tag look, call me a one. I'll be out for you diet cook. Anyway. Are you ASMR-Ring? Yeah. So I want to

have a fancy glass because I have a fancy story to tell you. sort of maybe fancy is the wrong word but it's about a fancy party um that was doomed so i'm not going to make you guess because i don't think you'll have any idea what it was yeah because i don't go to fancy things nor am i invited them and this wasn't this was in this was in 14th century france so you wouldn't have been invited you know you know they had a strict no far as policy back then um so let's go back to 14th century france i'm going to talk about can Charles the sixth who was mad like crazy mad crazy mad you know the word for crazy um and he threw a party in 1393 and it turned into a party that they call the book wait i literally just listened to this like

seven times i could pronounce it ball de ardance de ardance i wrote it down ball de ardance er duets ball day ardance anyway it's the ball day ardance anyway it's the ball of the burning men, which is what I'm going to say from now on, and it is less fun than burning man because people actually burn to death in this story. So it's a little bit historical, royal stuff and a little bit public fire.

Do you think any of those people were also on shrooms? I think they were drunk. They might have accidentally been on shrooms, and I feel like you probably were a lot during Middle Ages. Yeah, it's probably a lot of fungis. A lot of weird things growing on the walls that you inhale and get kind of high with. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't great. It wasn't

great. But Charles L. Sex is actually very interesting. He has a whole, like, insanity part of him that I'll talk about a little bit. But I do think that there's probably more that we could talk about. I read a book called A Distant Mirror a long time ago about the 14th century. So I had pulled a little bit from that. And I have some Wikipedia stuff and then an article I found on J-Store called the French king who believed who was made of glass, which we'll get to. But Charles the 6th was the king of France. When he first was the king of France, he was called Charles the beloved. So everybody, like, he was basically a child when he became king. He was born on December 3rd, 1368. And he became king when he was 11 on November 4th, 1380. So his dad was Charles V. And we're in the middle of

the hundred years war during this time. Do you remember what that was about? I don't, but I do know that it wasn't a hundred years. It was like intermittent periods of war. That's exactly right. It was France and England fighting like they always did until like now. I don't know why they haven't tried to invade each other in a while. But like that would spice things up a little bit.

I feel like in the world, not against that. That's all we made. Yeah, come on. But the hundred years war, You're correct. It was 116 years, four months, three weeks, and four days, comprised of three different wars. There was the Edwardian War, the Caroline War, and the Lancastrian War. And we are at the tail end of the Caroline War, which was 1369 to 1389. So we're at the tail end of that part during this, and then it cools off, and then it happens again, and it's just like a bunch of back and forth.

Because he was only 11, his uncle is the Duke of Burgundy and the Duke of Anjou, were his regents. So they're the ones who, like, made the decisions for him. And the problem was his uncles hadn't really been involved before that. It kind of just showed up. And they were like, we have some new ideas. And they started doing those ideas. And the people didn't like it very much. His dad had been very, like, less taxes, you know, will be nicer to people.

And these uncles are like more taxes, meaner to people make life even harder than it should be. Because we're in medieval times, which was hard. You remember. well this would have been during the black plague too yeah bad time to be alive right yeah yeah absolutely the fact that anyone is like born and like survives childbirth and like lives during this is just like gross and i was listening to like our cyrus the great episode from last week and like it's all very game with thornsy also you know all of those things like we i feel we can imagine these times because of what we've seen on tv and who knows if it's how accurate that is or not because i'm looking at like the images that we have from this time and they're like a tapestry, you know, so who the fuck knows, what it was really looked like. But so the uncles, they, when he was 20,

he dismissed his uncles and brought back the marmasets, which were a group of people who were like, who swore friendship to each other, which is hilarious, but they never wanted to like, they were all going to work together equally. And they wanted less taxes and peace with England. So that was nice.

So there was like a five-year truce after this. And people started to like calm down a little bit. Things started to get better for like the regular people. and people were like, great. Charles, the six is headed in the right direction and all is, well, for the most part. Then they start to have some issues with Charles's mental illness. And he starts to like see things and hear things and like think things that aren't true. So in 1392, one of his friends was almost murdered. And he thought that it was a plot against him and the rest of the royal family and all these things. So he went to like, seek his revenge he like took a bunch of horses and went to go kill the person who tried to kill his friend and on the way there it was like super hot and gross like they mentioned in all the and everything i read that it was super hot so just imagine like it's hot on your dress like a night that sounds terrible like in being in a toaster oven and yeah and he um started to like act

holes in it wouldn't you do that when you just like punch a bunch of holes in it so that you can at least get some air in there some ventilation But I feel like that makes it then easy Or to stab Yeah I was literally just trying to do the corollary of like Yoga pants right now And like it's all about breathability

And it's like when they thought about breathability But probably not because they were covered in their own shit It'd be nice to give one of these nights A prayer yoga pants to just let them like stretch And be like oh I feel this I'm not wearing like leather pants under my metal pants This feels very nice

Very lovely. Very Viori. Yeah. So, the turtle starts acting kind of weird on this trip. It's getting hot. He's starting to like kind of babble and like get really riled up. And he's kind of feverish. He's getting very impatient because it's not just like him on a horse. It's a whole bunch of people.

So like everyone's trying to go. They have stuff, you know, all the things. And at one point, a page who is like a child who was there to help. It's probably really tired because he's a child. And he drops a lance like a big sword and it hits something else. makes a really, really loud noise. And Charles yells forward against the traitors. They wish to deliver me to my enemy.

And he starts just stabbing. And he kills like four people, including a really important night. No one was there. He killed his own people. So they had to like subdue him and he went into a coma and he's in coma for four days. And they started like moving him around the country to try to get him like back to Paris and figure out what to do because they were like, that's not good. He just killed a bunch of people on our side.

because he thought something with that's a king right so that's why they're like anyone else you'd be like off of this head but this guy we got a double it exactly so in 1393 he forgot that he was king he forgot who his wife was we'll talk about her in a second um he thought he was st george um he thought that the lion on his coat of arms was real so he's like stabbed his own shield so he's like just like going through a lot of stuff and this is why he's called charles the mad like in history How old? How old is he? In 1393, I think he's like in his 30s. So it's not like later.

And it is, I also feel like this is unscientific, but this is about the time when schizophrenia comes out. He's 25. Also, aren't these people crazy inbred? Yeah, there's a little bit of that, but I don't think there is some like sickness in his family that might it might that the um mental illness may come from his mother's side is like what people think so it's probably like hereditary and then I'm sure that there's inbreeding in there as well

because there always is news stories right yeah he's a 25 which I think is one schizophrenia like actually starts to manifest for folks who have it so he um he also his big thing that you may have heard that I mentioned earlier is he thought that he was made of glass which is like a syndrome that people can have where they like think that their bones are made of glass and that they're very very fragile so he like thought that if anyone touched him or if he fell or anything that he would shatter so he would have like iron rods sewn into his clothes so that his like he couldn't move his body very much and so he was like always protected um he also in 1405 he didn't change his clothes or bath for five months which is like weird they're that down because

I feel like no one took a bath. Yeah, I would have assumed that's a natural state of things. I remember in the last podcast, Black Death episode, they said that Kings in particular wouldn't take bats because it was considered like feminine and they wanted to look stronger than other men. I don't know if that was Henry trying to be funny or not, but it doesn't sound crazy to me. That might be true. And I also remember them talking about how the people whose jobs it was to literally clean the poop out of the river, they were the ones who had like less black plague because they actually took baths because it was like really obvious that they needed to. Like that was the line. You know, if your job is to like be around poop and like you can take a bath. I also remember the guy who actually fell in to the shit river and drowned, which is like, there's so many of them. It's terrible. Everyone smells bad. It's awful. It's awful. Everyone smells bad. And the king is is losing his mind.

He probably, again, had schizophrenia, but they were like, maybe it's sorcery, maybe it's God, maybe it's blah, blah, blah. So just they didn't, they didn't know what to do. But they kind of just were like letting him do things and like being around to him and trying to make decisions for him. So he was married, like I said, he was married to Isabella of Bavaria. And they would have a bunch of kids. And he also had some other kids. He had, there were like 10 with him and one with at least one another person that was like on his Wikipedia page. but just as aside his daughter Catherine married Henry the 5th the king of England

and a few kings later we have Henry the 8th so Henry the 8th is a direct descendant of Charles the 6th um the king of France we talked about him do you remember yeah he's the one who got his head cut off or nope no but you know what I mean that was the one that he was married to nope um he was married to Anne boleyn was the first wife that he had her head cut off that was a long time ago we talked about that and then many of his wives and then Ray Antoinette did have her headcloth and we will mention her later too. So lots of that coming up.

They blend together. They blend together. So much, so much royal intrigue. You just don't know where to go. Where to start. But, okay, let's talk about this party. So this party, the ball of the burning men, is on January 29, 1393.

They decided to throw a masked ball, which sounds awesome. Have you ever been to a masked party? not like a sex party but like a max probably not I went to a a theater production what is it called in New York

where you go in and you have to wear a mask and everyone like walks around and they play they do like Macbeth but they're like the actors are like around there with you why can't I remember what it's called New York

that sounds fun um oh sleep no more I really liked it a lot. It was cool. I'm my friend Elizabeth. So I have the mask here. It's like it was a creepy beard mask and like every walks around. The actors are like moving in different rooms and you're supposed to like touch things like interact with them. Like we followed an actor into like it's in a big building. We followed them into like an indoor cemetery that was like foggy and he was like doing a speech and he like handed me his umbrella. So like held his umbrella. It was cool. But I love in like a movie when they have like a big mask ball and everyone's like dressed really pretty and they're having like a big dance and all of that. So like imagine something like that. Um, but. Um, but I love in like a movie. Um, and in this case it's to celebrate one of his wife's ladies in waiting so one of her like professional girlfriends is getting married and it is her third wedding and it sounds like she was widowed twice before and because it's her third wedding it's sort of like the party is different the party is kind of like a making fun of you party and it's more like crazy than like a regular wedding party because they're like oh my gosh your third marriage who cares you know you know i just found out that scarlet johansson's been married three years three times. Yeah. To the Ryan Reynolds and that French guy and then Colin Joseph.

Yeah. I just learned that last time when I was watching the correspondence dinner and was like, I don't know. I don't know. It was different. It was mostly I was like you've been married three times. Like on the third one is I wouldn't even care.

For real. That is exactly the attitude that we're bringing to this party. Right. Right. I love that. Yes. Yeah. By the third one,

when you're like barely 40, you know. Yeah. Sure. You do you, but it's not, we're not going to let you wear that white dress and buy you a blender. Your third wedding, I'm not doing that. Definitely not. So it's going to be a weird dance party, you know, like that's the idea. And the thing that we have talked about, I think several times, how dark history is, like physically dark. As soon as the sun goes down, it is pitch black outside. And in the 14th century at the ball, there would have been like oil lamps and candles and torches like around the room. Maybe someone would be carrying a torch like in the middle of the room.

They'd have like a like a pyre with like a torch, a torch in the middle. So that also makes it a little bit like smoky and weird, you know, but that's how you would like see each other. But it wouldn't be like you can see each other well, but you could see each other. And again, you're masked. So that's part of the fun. The king and four of his lord. So four of his guy friends, they dressed as woodwises, which are wild men of the woods. So it was like a mythological creature that sometimes they have like, not like a centaur with like the horse entire body in the head, but like pan with like the horse feet and legs, but a man body.

Yeah, I can picture that. So that's what they're dress like. And they're doing this. They really want like, you know, the king's being the king and he really wants to like get into it. So they make these costumes that are made of linen and they sew them onto their bodies. So like they're tight on their bodies. They're made of linen. They're covered in like resin and wax.

And on top of the resin and wax, they push like hemp, like dried hemp leaves and like hay all over them. So it looks like they're really hairy. And that includes their heads. Their heads are covered by these masks as well that are all like tight linen, the, you know, resin pitch wax. And then all of this like flammable material. material just coming off of them. So they look like the hairy and they can dance and fly around. I can't see where this is going.

It's not going to end well for most of them. Yes. One of the men, his name is Yvonne DeFoy. He makes a suggestion. He says, hey, guys, can we please put all the torches in the back of the room, just like around the room and not have any in the middle anymore because I'm wearing this like thing that's going to catch on fire in four seconds? And they were like, yeah, yeah, yeah, great idea.

So they put all the torches in the back and people are not allowed to bring in torches. So it's even darker than usual. And so they start dancing and they're howling and they're yelling and they're doing all those weird stuff and they're like saying bad things to people and they're trying to get people to guess who they are. And no one really knows that the king is one of these people. His wife does and the couple other people do. Obviously the person who like put him in the costume knows. But like most people don't know the king as part of this group of like dudes doing this weird dance in the middle of the party.

Do you like my weird dance? Is what I assume they look like? Taylor's moving her hands in a very fun. Jazz hands. Jazz-handy way. Man in the woods. The king's brother, the Duke of Orlean, he arrives late. And he's drunk and he's with his friends.

And he's like, oh, we're here at this party. I guess we'll stop by. And it gets there. And he's like, it's so dark in here. I'm going to bring my torch. He didn't get the memo. No one told him the no torch rule. And so he walks in.

And then he's like, who? are these guys like what is happening like what are these people dancing in the middle of the room why are the acting so weird like what is this so he takes a torch and he leans in and a spark falls and then they're all on fire like almost immediately um one source says that he threw his torch at them but he probably just like leaned in too far and it was just like one piece of that hemp caught fire and then they were all on fire another report says that the dancers were actually like chained together in some way as like part of the dance so they like barely got away the only um the only person who well the king was saved by his aunt who was 15 but also his aunt you know um the duchess of berry she threw her dress

over him because she saw that it was him so very smart on the duchess's part she had like a big big skirt and she used her skirt to like damp out the fire so the king survived um one other person jumped into um either a barrel of dishwater or wine depending on who you're read and he stayed in there until the flames went out and he survived before men were burned alive including the guy who suggested to move the torches to the back which sucks because he he knew it um one i can see how this could happen because i've been to a party before where i wore a brand new suit it was the first time i wore it it was it was like it was like a formal event and then a bunch of us went somewhere afterwards like a bar or something and we were outside and

and there was like a guy smoking next to me and I felt something on my side and I looked over and was like oh my God he just

he just moved his hand in a way he wasn't trying to be he wasn't doing it intentionally yeah through like both the top

and the inner lining of the coat it was the first time I wore it and was like oh my God so I can long story short

I can see how if you just walk around with a torch that you can light a bunch of people on fire I just happened

not all the time but like often you know I'm sure that like you were if you were on the fire all the time your clothes had holes in it all the time for fire you know like when you watch corners and they're just smoker yeah and also what even is closed at this period of time it's just like

rags it's a lot of like flowy yeah flowy rags like tunics and stuff that like can definitely catch in fire in addition to what they were already wearing um so there was a monk who was the monk of St. Dennis who wrote about it. I don't know if he was actually there or not, but he wrote, quote, four men were burned alive. Their flaming genitals dropping to the

floor releasing a stream of blood. I'm sorry. Did you say the flaming genitals? I did, yeah. I don't know why they were like separate than like enough that they could fall off and like, but it sounds awful. Yeah. I, okay. Um, one part, one of the men survived a day longer and, And someone described him as bitterly cursing and insulting his fellow dancers, the dead and the living until his last breath, because he was so mad, which I would be as well if I were dying. There were also people who were burned, like nights try to save people, obviously, because they're wearing their, like, poster outfit. So you're in like a fire. You don't want to be dressed like a knight trying to save people. I'm imagining that they're all in full night outfits, and it's probably wrong.

They're probably wearing tunics, but you know what I mean? So other people were hurt as well. And then when the public found out, they were like, this is such an example of like, what are you doing with your money? Like, we're hungry. You know, like, yeah, things are getting better, but we're still not great and you're spending like this ridiculous amount of money on this party where people are dying and you're just being so like frivolous. And the king had to parade through the town on a horse and like apologize to people and like donate money in Notre Dame. And then the Duke of Orleans had to donate to a monastery to apologize since it was like all. technically his fault. But this is like one of the first incidents that are going to lead to later when we're talking about Maria Antoinette in the French court being really extravagant and like ignoring what normal people need. This is like the beginning of that. And then if she's like the end of that, like 200 years later, 300 years later. Sorry, these dogs just ran in here. They're so freaking loud. I was going to say, Taylor, like I don't know if this is how people actually felt.

I would assume that if I lived back then, I really wouldn't value my life at all because who cares? That's true. I'm going to get cut down by bacteria or some fishmonger's going to throw a bucket of raw fishheads in my face while I'm walking down the street and get me poison. Like, it's just like every conceivable way a person can die. Like the plague is going around. It's just like, who cares? Like, be hungry and died because that's kind of what you're all going to do anyways. I know.

But, you know, they started to get this is when they started to start. to get mad about it, you know, to be like, this is something that, like, you can't, um, like, we don't want to see this happen. And also like, you know, people died. It also inspired an Edgar Ellen Poe story, um, called Hop Frog, which is about, I haven't read it, but I read the summary. And it's about a, the court jester who, um, dresses up like, um, you know, like a man of the woods. And then there's a, then there's a fire. And, um, it's, um, it's, you know, Yeah, it's a lot about this story. I want to read it eventually.

Sorry, so how many people died? I think, like four or five. Okay, so it wasn't the crazy. Yeah, not everyone. And, like, everyone else seemed to get out, but, like, I think the fire was pretty contained because it was like five guys chained to each other who were highly flimble, you know? So what happened to the king?

He just had to apologize and, like... No, I know, but, like, at the end, like... Oh, he was just, like, a little burned. He was fine. after that was he one of these guys who gets beheaded or killed by his own people or no and so one thing that happened as a direct result of this um is the duke of orleans people were like definitely more pissed at him than they had been before for like the stuff that he had done and in 1407 so that's you know a couple years later um the a man named john the fearless was the cousin of

the Duke of Orlean and Charles Ossacks and he had the Duke of Orlean assassinated because of quote vice corruption sorcery and a long list of public and private villainies. So I feel like there's other stuff that he did. We could talk more about him and another time too because that is interesting.

And that started a civil war in France. So there was a civil war in France like in the middle of the last part of the 100 years war as well. So that made a whole bunch of stuff happened. You know, they knew that the king was, you know, had these like bouts of insanity and um eventually henry the fifth of england who was his son-in-law

was able to like move more into france during the hundred years of war so it definitely didn't help um help that he um you know wasn't able to like do military things or like pay attention or like do the things they should have done um this was like part of the thing that that like kind of ruined his reputation in that in that way um in 1420 there was a treaty of troye in where Charles had to disinherit his own son in favor of Henry the 5th. So he had to, instead of being like my son

who is the rightful heir to France, he had to go in favor of Henry the 5th, who was married to his daughter and was the heir of England. So like they made this treaty that people weren't very happy about. And then he died in 1422. I don't know how he died. But I do know that

you know, his reign is like a low point in medieval history. because he um his his individual and we see this like the leader's mental capacity is going to affect the country and that was what was happening in France um and then later after this I think the next generation of his family are the ones that will have like Jonah Vark will hang out with them and I do want to talk about her later too yeah that's a huge one because I don't get it I was going to do it for a woman's history month that didn't get to it but I do want to talk about that because that story is wild um yeah

That's it. I, um, so last night, I was, every now and then I go, do you have YouTube TV? Do you have a subscription to YouTube TV? No. Okay, so I have a subscription to it. And every now and then, when I'm super done with anything on Netflix or anywhere else, I go on their movies options, because they occasionally have good movies. And I had like a moment where I just like dwell on like the concept of a monarchy because they have this movie on there.

from the BBC called Charles R, which I guess King Charles's like middle name or something, the making of a monarch. And I was like, there's this picture of him like looking very cool, very British. He has like binoculars.

It's a younger picture. He's like probably 7, 40 years old or something like here. And I started reading the description of it. I'm looking at it right now. It is quote, Celebrating the life and achievements of King Charles III, told in his own words through film, home movies, and television cameras. I was like, what achievements?

Like, what? Yeah. Like, what are you talking? Like, it's- I literally kick it over how it doesn't even matter because the, it's, his uncle was, or, like, his great uncle, his mom. Yes, his uncle was the one who, like, stopped being the king or whatever, who didn't want to be king because he married the other women's and, like, the monarchy shifted anyway you know is just like what yeah and every now and then like the only person who i will hear in public media defend the monarchy seems to be peers

morgan who will occasionally pop up on random podcast or whatever else and it's always like this weird argument of like they help bring the country together and hold it together and i don't know i mean maybe there's a point to that because i'm looking like what's going on the United States right now and saying well maybe if there was like one person that everybody agreed was the greatest person out there then that would be a good thing I don't know yeah maybe it is the right way to do things actually actually now that I'm talking I'm like convincing myself that maybe that would be the way well I've been thinking about it too and I don't think there is a right way like no one's ever not not not everyone has ever been okay

you know there's like shit's been happening always but if I Google the making of a monarch I don't even get this movie I like the front page of Google I get something about Scar and the Lion King and I have to actually put in King Charles to get about the one about him

Yeah like it's it's buried it's buried in pretty deep and for the record I skipped watching that and said I watched a bees diary which covers the life of a life of two bees from when they're born

until when they die which is really interesting I care about that a lot more it was so fun I think they're actually more impressive to me you should watch it with the kids because the entire time all I'm thinking myself was like how did they film this like they're like inside the hive what poor what poor intern had to sneak into a bees hive

with video equipment excuse me guys don't mind me I'm just getting about this in here did you ever watch the documentary on um dinosaurs on apple tv it's so good and they have like they but you have to like remind yourself and it's not real because it's like shows like triceratopses like around a waterhole like at night like you see you've seen real life videos of elephants around a watering hole at night but they do it like triceratapses and you're like this bit this footage is amazing and you're like they don't have this footage this is not real you have to like remind yourself every five minutes it's not real because it's so cool it looks but they're just like taking out like or just put in putting CGI triceratops in there I think

so yeah it's great it's really cool man I can't wait till Jurassic Party comes to life and we can really clone these things in existence yeah um well we just took a total uh left turn but um cool yeah i just want to tell you about that about that fun that fun not so fun party and i i i love the guy coming in and being like what's going on guys is dark in here you know i'm like bringing in the torch and like where's our brother like poking around and then like all of a sudden all hell breaks loose i know it's usually that guy who's the one who always survives unscathed too. Totally. He's like, oh, my bad. Oh, I'm just going to leave. This looks

really bad. It sucks. I'm going to go. Cool. Well, thanks for sharing that, Taylor. For some of the feedback that we got from the last episode, you'll notice I'm speaking into a much I should sound a lot clearer, which I got some feedback that my audio kind of sucks, but hopefully this sounds better.

So let us know. But is there any Any other feedback or any other letters? Yes, I actually, let me talk about the next one because I have to go get it. I'll talk about that. But on that one, no, thank you. Someone left us, give us feedback. And that was really helpful. So even if the feedback is not perfect, let us know, some stuff like, be less bantery.

We're not going to do that. But like the sound stuff we'll do. And other stuff we'll do. Give us suggestions. Why isn't the banter good? No, I think that here's what I think. I think that our listeners are, I think that we should, in actuality, do some sort of listener survey to learn about who's actually listening to us, because I suspect it's people

who like, like the banter, you know, and like that part of it and like learning a little bit, don't care to deep dive in because this person left his feedback. You know, they got my card at the Dan Carlin show, which is super cool. That worked and someone listened. But it's also like, like I said, like we're not Dan Carlin, you know. So if you're looking for a 35 hour podcast about Charles six like this isn't it but if you want to like have something cool to tell people at a party to be like man I still got those lights in here

because you know that in 1393 there was this basketball this is the we are here for you I am I reached that conclusion too so I um I started I used to listen to Bailey Sarian every now and then you know Bailey murder

makeup mystery I think is the name of her show her YouTube channel and her podcast but I would intermittently listen to her. And then today when I was working on the house, I was just like I just played a bunch of episodes on repeat. And that's what struck me about it was when I listened to the last podcast on the left, like the depth of research is just like, it's just so different. Like what would they would, you know, her's like 37 minutes long.

Like quick little, hey, this guy did this thing. Here's my take on it. and that's kind of it. So anyway, you're also probably joining to hear my dog's bark. I'm going to go ahead and mute. I can't hear that at all. No, but I think also, like, I would love to do that if we had a million listeners and could just just do this as our job, you know, I would be amenable to that.

And I do try to do as much research as I can, but, but yeah. Well, it's about, it's about like, it's interesting because like you only research the things you hear about but there's so many stories that aren't told because nobody's found them and yeah spent the time to do them like i remember when serial came out and it was like those people like went to that town talk to the district attorneys talk to the police talk to the way like it is a great you can do that's doable but like you just have to have the resources to do it and yeah very few of us do so yep we're doing our best I don't know. I'm having a good time.

I'm having a good time, too. That being said, Taylor, I'll go ahead and wrap this up. Any final words? No, please. That feedback can come to us at doomed to fail pod at gmail.com on all the social at Doom to FailPod and on YouTube as well. We have almost 100 YouTube subscribers, which I think is pretty cool. That's great.

So there's still sitting there as well, which is nice. Sweet. Well, thanks, Taylor. We'll join you guys later this week. You know,