Doomed to Fail - Ep 103 - The Final Bow: Tragedy and Treachery of Daniel Wozniak

Episode Date: May 1, 2024

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It's a matter of the people of the state of California versus Hortonthal James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do. All righty, Taylor, we are back, and it should be Wednesday on the day that this is going out. Welcome back. Hopefully your groceries are here or soon to be here. Yeah.

I thought, why don't we mix it up? And why don't you introduce us today? Oh, God, I am a spot. Sure. Hi, everyone. Welcome to Doom to Fail. We are a podcast that talks about history's greatest failures and disasters and things that went wrong. And we cover everything from natural disasters, engineering disasters, true crime disasters, anything you can think of.

That's what we're going to talk about. And today, Fars is going to kick us off and tell us a fun story. I am going to go back to true crime. Nice. Yeah. And I'm going to go to a story that I don't think everybody's going to know the name of Like when I described like when I tell you the name of the person I'm covering I don't think you're going to recognize it, but I think a lot of people have heard of this case

But it's interesting because this case actually like was relatively recently Resolved despite the fact that it was kind of in the media all over the place in like 2010-ish 11 somewhere around there And so the first time I heard about the person I'm talking about here was I used to be obsessed with the MSNBC show LACA up have you ever seen that no but i imagine it's about prison yeah it is they go into different kinds of prisons they interview people and talk people so on and so forth and so the time i never heard about this story oh i didn't know about this story and then they interviewed this one guy on death row and he was just like chubby jovial Elvis presley haircut looking guy like he was just like I don't know it was weird

It was just like It just didn't seem like The kind of person Though be on death row And it was It was a weird weird Situation I researched the guy then I saw some dateline stuff

That came out about him And I circled back to it Today I forgot how I even thought of this guy again But I was just like Yeah People haven't heard this story in a while Might as well cover I'm gonna cover this guy

His name is Daniel Wazdian I teller you probably don't know That name do you? I don't know I don't think so. Wozniak sounds familiar. Can I tell you that? I got a really weird email from our sheriff.

And my husband and I both were like, did you get that email? It was like an email of the sheriff sent to everybody in the county. And it was like, I'm concerned about the death row inmates escaping, essentially. And then he was like, just like in 1980 when this one guy escaped and then ended up killing four people with an ice pick. And I was like, why are you emailing me this? What is happening? Was it really from the sheriff? Yes.

And like, it was so weird. brought up to my husband. He was like, I know I read that. It was like 17 paragraphs. There was no ask at the end. There were no buttons to click. It was just like this weird story about death row inmates potentially escaping. And I was like, you live nowhere near San Quentin. I don't, I don't, I don't even know.

It was really weird. Yeah. He came this week and it was strange. You must have been having a moment or something. Yeah, I don't think anyone, anyone proofread that or like double-checked. The Haitians on that. Well, you might have thought that the name Wosdak is familiar because, I mean, Steve Wosniak is the co-founder of Apple. Oh, that's why.

Yeah, yeah. This is not that. This is like the furthest of Steve Wozniak. This case was really interesting to me because it was like, again, his personality is so weird because you're like, he's such a jovial, social, cool, kind-looking dude. And then you realize what he did. And you're like, oh, he's crazy evil, but he's also super dumb. And the reasons why he did what he did is like really, really stupid, which is that was my seat moving in case somebody's wondering if I'm tooting on the podcast. but for some reason that combination of being like really sinister but also like dumb is kind of

scarier to me than like someone who's deliberately sinister and can get away with things it's like it's almost like man that's like really a shame like you could have like if people think about like Charles Manson is like this evil guy who like controls like it's like no he's just a crazy hippie like he's just a crazy dude like yeah they're not that well thought out people but that's that's kind of guy that I'm going to cover today uh Daniel Wozniak um very very very weird case and it all happens in a really condensed period of time so it'll be kind of a quick one for folks so daniel was accused of killing two people in a really horrible way and for a really awful reason and it is just one of those situations where if you start thinking about the

psychology of this guy you're going to start going down some weird rabbit holes but let's start out with kind of where this thing kicks off so daniel is basically in our age group so as of right now he literally just turned 40 years old he grew up in California and from an early age he was super interested in acting in the theater and so that's basically what he did as his hobbies growing up

was take part in plays and local theater shows eventually he would attend a community college in Orange County and also be very active in the local theater scene and it was at this time that he would also meet a woman named Rachel May Moffitt who they would start dating and eventually

moved in together and got engaged. By all accounts, he had no job. I have no idea how he paid for anything except for credit cards. It sounds like he was in a huge, huge amount of debt. And that was causing a lot of problems. Obviously, he was like on his way to getting evicted from his home. And for some reason, him and Rachel, it also planned out like an incredibly elaborate wedding and a honeymoon. So this guy's back was pretty much pressed up against the wall. And a part of me was thinking myself, okay, so this time, you're 26 years old, you're living in Southern California, acting as your passion, you found the person you want to be with, and

I mean, I'm not trying to justify it, but I'm trying to think of like, if somebody came to you and said, well like you got to go make sandwiches at subway you know like you'd be like I'm so close to like achieve my dreams and things anyway I was trying to like figure out like why he would do what he would do other than just getting a normal job and I think it's something about like he probably thought you'd get away with it and he was really close to actually making a big as an actor I don't I don't know exactly but I don't know my general perception of it is that like if you're at this age and things aren't coming together for you then I don't know. Maybe just give up and move on to something else.

Like you're 26. Yeah. Maybe it's time or just break up with your or just tell your girlfriend and I'm going to get married. Yeah. Like I don't know. People who spend so much money on that stuff. Like if you can't afford it, don't, don't do it. Yeah. But is that part of the thing that's going to instigate him if you do something bad? Yes. Yes. So Daniel and his fiance, Rachel, they lived in an apartment complex and there was another person that lived there. they were really really well acquainted with and that's we're going to get into our victim so this victim his name is sam her sam was a 26-year-old veteran who had just returned back home after spending some time in combat in afghanistan and apparently he was like he wasn't like he was like turning radio dials in afghanistan like he was apparently one of the guys that

had to like run into like enemy fire to like secure positions for people behind him like he was like he was an intense dude um and sam and daniel they were friendly they were friendly enough to where at some point sam tells daniel that he'd saved up somewhere around sixty thousand dollars of of combat pay which happened in the in that one case i covered oh god i can't remember her name though the woman that's on death row in florida where somebody just casually mentioned they had like a hundred yeah tiffany Tiffany tiffany just never tell people your financial situation. Especially like, I don't know if this guy had cash.

And those people didn't have cash either, but they thought that they did. Because remember, and part of the thing that we talked about was how stupid the criminals were because they were like, let's go rob them of the money they made from selling their house. And you're like, if you sell your house and you make $200,000, they don't give you $200,000 in tens, you know? It's actually, it's actually a bag with a dollar sign on it. Like, they just like toss it at you and you have to carry it out.

Like, what are you thinking? That makes no sense. So, yeah. Which comes into play here. actually. So by all accounts, I'm specifically referencing like a dateline episode

involving this guy named Chris Williams. I was a friend of the couple. But most it seems like both of them, but primarily Daniel was probably always doing illegal shit. So like that's the only way he knew how to make ends meet. Like he wouldn't get a job. You wouldn't ask for help.

Somehow they would pay things and nobody really knew how they had the money to do that. Right. So it must have been suspicious. yeah he talked about how he was over at their house once and daniel owed them owed him money and he said that he went out for a few hours daniel said he's going to go to get the money that he owed him he went out for a few hours and he came back and he was like out of breath and had a craze look at his eyes and he was like uh there was something weird going on i don't know how he got this money but i doubt he just like went and pulled out of his own make account yeah on major

21st, 2010, Daniel asked Sam to help him move some equipment at the local theater, which was closed, but that Daniel had access to. They went up to the attic and as Sam had his back to Daniel, Daniel shot him twice in the back of the head. Apparently, the first time he shot him, it didn't kill him. And Sam said something like, hey, like, somebody just hit me, like help. Like, he was asking for help and he just shot him again in the back of the head. yeah i bet i mean i bet that was confusing at like really fucking confusing 30 seconds or two seconds for sam can you imagine you come back from afghanistan you're advancing position for the military you're being sniped and you get shot in the head in the attic of a local theater

like it's like it's it's wild so unfair very unfair it reminds me of that um that chris Kyle guy who was like trying to help out he was like a sniper or Marine sniper or something he was trying to help out that one veteran and he got just shot him and was like seriously like you went through like three years of Fallujah and just got shot back of the head by your truck in Texas

like it's crazy yeah that's terrible so Daniel this story is so crazy Daniel leaves the body in the attic of this theater and then he goes to a different theater because that night him and his fiance

are set to perform a show called 9, which I've never heard of, but apparently it's got a lot of awards. I saw 9 with Antonio Banderas on Broadway. That is very cool. Okay, so it's pretty popular. Yeah. I mean, it was like maybe 20 years ago,

but I was very excited to see it. My friend had tickets in school. Can you imagine like you're going to go act in a, like you just shot someone in the head. I mean, yeah, no, totally. And then he just like goes to work, essentially as job at that page so weird

so weird so he kills Sam leaves his body but he takes Sam's phone and his wallet he goes on to perform in the show and then once the show is over he starts texting a second victim

a woman named Julie Kuiashi so Julie was friends with Sam and she was Sam's tutor he was attending community college called the Orange Coast Community College and by all accounts they had like a brother or sister type of relationship it was in theory platonic

Daniel knew all of this except maybe the brother or sister part because he was like texting some weird sexual stuff to Julie that was like a little bit unusual anyways Julie was from Daniel's phone Sam's phone yes okay so Julie was at dinner with her brother when her phone starts blowing up from text messages from Sam saying things like I need you I'm in a bad way. I'm having trouble with my family.

I don't want to be alone. He was trying to like do like I'm having a PTSD kind of a breakdown moment to Julie knowing that she would care enough to leave and take care of him. So Julie leaves dinner and heads over to Sam's apartment. When she gets there, Daniel is outside and he's basically acting as though he's a concerned friend. He was also there to take care of Sam said he had an extra key was going to let her in. Once they go inside, he also shoots her in the head. telling her why we're going to talk about that okay he then proceeds to kind of dress up the scene as like a sexual thing like an assault of a situation uh-huh the next day he goes up to the theater

attic and he starts dismembering sam's body uh he took the head arms and legs and disposed them in a nature preserve but left the torso hidden in the attic apparently when he was doing this he said that he started laughing because he was looking down at what he was doing and was like I can't even believe what I'm doing he was so like he was having like a disassociative experience I guess yeah yeah

so days later a man named Steve Hur which is Sam's father calls the police and frantically tells them that he found a dead woman in his son's apartment Steve lived relatively close to Sam and they were close enough as a family that not hearing from him for a while was enough to concern him so Steve just

went over there and let himself in and he found Julie's body. I listened to the police recording of this and man this guy sounds really freaked out. That is a good reaction. I was thinking of myself. I was like if, I mean, wouldn't you want to try and find your kid first before you call the police or

calling the turn? I don't know. No, I would call the police because I would assume that they were also in trouble. Right. Right. You know? That's fair. That's fair. And then like even if well, this is where I'm going with it. Even if the answer was that my child had killed this woman, I would

still want to call the police because I wouldn't help my child bury that body, but I want my child to be caught so they don't harm themselves because maybe something happened, you know, a lot of things. Right. You're a good mother. So at first, police show up and they're like,

okay, well, obviously we know what happened. Sam killed Julie and went on the run. That's it. This actually wasn't a crazy theory because Sam was actually arrested. and charged eight years prior after he and a group of men lured someone to a park and beat them

to death. Oh, what? Yeah, he got charged, but he got acquitted. And other men in that group did not get acquitted. What I basically understood was that he, like, was, like, running with some gangs. I don't, I mean, I can only assume it was, like.

Pre or post-military? Free. They let him in? just like I was pro Sam until this thing they let him in the military after he had been

accused of beating someone to death well he was acquitted though yeah but like he was there close enough well yeah if you're acquitted I mean there's like there's nothing on your record like you got charged and you went to trial

and nothing happened so I don't have that. the desperation of a military recruiter in me. Yeah, that's true. You're not cut off of that role. Yeah. So police looked at Sam's history and was like, this is, and also, you know, maybe he's a veteran with PTSD, having issues, you know, that's kind of how they.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking first. So they got to, they got to working on trying to track him down. And the only real clue they had was that his debit card was used to withdraw money at an ATM. and a local pizza parlor. So police pulled the footage of the ATM and realized that it wasn't Sam withdrawing the money, but some random kid who was later identified as Wesley Freelick, who was, I think, 16 or 17 of this time.

So a question for you. Yeah. Don't we know by now that ATMs have cameras as all? I'm going to talk about our perpetrator and about how little he understood about. I also don't know who this person is. So tell me who this person. Yeah. So police find Wesley, this kid.

And they're like, why do you have this guy's debit card and why are you withdrawing money out of his account? And he goes, oh, I have a mentor from when I was in theater class. He's Daniel. and Daniel are posted me with this ATM and he said that he's working for Bill bondsman and this person whose debit card I'm using skipped town without paying him and he wants me to get money out for him and he just did it so police call Daniel and say we need you to come in and we need to talk to you about what's going on here and Daniel said no I'm going to my bachelor party tonight

I can't talk So he was like fuck this guy So they go to the bachelor party And arrest him at his bachelor party And this is two days before he's supposed to get married And they bring him I thought for a second that it was like a policeman stripper Yes I really really

Because theater people are a unique breed And they probably think that everything could break out And dance somehow Oh my God I hope that there was like a 30 seconds Where everybody was like woo it's like it's like why do we in why do we all invite like the 300 pounds you know retired male stripper here not going to look anyone's yum you do you that's funny funny not funny but funny you know so he goes in for questioning and he tells police that he withdrew

the money as part of an insurance scheme he and sam devise basically the idea was that was going to, sorry, Daniel was going to run up these like fake charges by doing cash withdrawals on Sam's account. Then Sam would claim it to his, to whatever, the credit card company. And then basically they would have double money essentially is what he was arguing he was going to do. So he goes with that story at first. Then this drags on for hours and hours and hours. Eventually, and that's how they wear you down. That's why you should never talk to them. always call an attorney because eventually wear you down and tell you telling something you know that again again you are my lawyer so yes yes always call me when you're getting arrested so eventually he spins this into sam also says something about having to kill julie i don't know i don't know what's going on he's going to go on the run and maybe kill julie and then maybe we're going to do this insurance thing is the interrogation dragged on he would change a story and put himself in the apartment after sam went on the run and

also after Julie had been killed and he mentions that she'd been shot in the head twice. He was like I walked in, I saw Julie, she was shot in the head twice and that's one police were like, that's weird because... How did you know that? Yeah, how would you know that? Because, I mean, unless you shave her head like a corner would do. Right. And then trace

bullets. Like, you don't actually, you would never know by looking at a body when it's shot in the head. So, eventually they're like, okay, there's something going on with this guy. Let's bring in his fiance. Maybe she'll say something or he'll say someone to her or she'll get him to confess or something. So they bring Rachel in and police noticed that when Daniel described why he was there and why he was being held, Rachel seemed like totally unaffected by it.

She was just like what? Like her demeanor was just like, you know, remember they were supposed to get married in two days. Like there was something really suspicious going on. And every account that I heard about what happened during this interrogation was like, she just seemed really. chill, like super mellow about this whole thing. Suspicuously chill. So Daniel that night ends up being taken into a holding cell.

The next morning he calls Rachel and Rachel tells him that her brother had brought a backpack that he said that Daniel gave him to get rid of the day before. Daniel told her not to tell the police about the backpack and that's when Rachel said that there's no way she's going to hide evidence from the police. That's also

when she let Daniel know that by the way this is all being recorded so she was she was always working the police no that if you call someone from jail it is always recorded my guy so stupid and so when you asked early by the ATM no he probably didn't know that it was it was on camera but this is also something that people talk about when they're like no it feels like rachel's putting on an act saying oh i'm such an aboveboard citizen and she also said that she knows she's being recorded so i don't know A little suss. Yeah.

Weird. So it was at this point that Daniel decides, you know what? I'm pretty much caught. So I'm going to come clean. I'm going to confess until the police what I did. He does that. And it was about five days from when he was, when Sam's murder happened to him being arrested and charged with the murders,

Daniel's case would drag on for about six years. And in the interim, police arrested his fiance as well, charging her as accessory after the. fact. Daniel had pled not guilty, which is like amazing. He pled not guilty and blamed his fiancee for the murders. One piece of evidence, like in addition to all this other suspicious stuff about the fiancee, one thing is that when Daniel was first questioned by the police, he said that he saw Sam leave that night with a man wearing like a black hat. When Rachel was separately questioned she also said that he left with someone with a black hat or yeah sam left

with someone with a black hat and those last time she saw like that's part of the reason why she was charged of this accessory after the fact was like she knew something was going on like yeah they were corroborating stories at some point and so it would take until 2016 for daniel to eventually be sentenced to death and in 2018 rachel was sentence to just shy of three years for her role. She actually got released very, very quickly after. She got released about a year after, so she only did that much time. She was, yeah, she was released in 2019.

So, yeah, that's basically where it stands. It's interesting because it seems like the dad, Steve, her, was the one who kind of helped piece all this together because the cops were really quick to say, yeah, Sam did it. Girl's dead. Right, he's just missing. Yeah. Yeah. And I forgot to mention this, but it was the dad, Steve, who had tried to figure out what was going on.

He'd actually talked to Daniel at one point in the middle of all this investigation. He had his cell phone number after talking to him. And he was the one after police let him know that that pizza parlor had been where that ATM showed up, that the area code was a Long Beach area code. And the only number of Sam's friends that was in that area code was this guy, Daniel. and so he was kind of like trying and he's still kind of at it like he's very adamant that rachel should spend the rest for life in jail he's positive that she has something to do with it there's an incredible dr phil episode where he brings in rachel the fiancee and the dad

and how like across for each other and i was like how did you how much did you have to pay these guys to do this like yeah pay her um but yeah he still just sat there and told her to her face like you absolutely know what happened you were absolutely a part of this and you should spend the rest of your life in jail that's who knows she she still might she still might because she never got sentenced uh she didn't get charged or sentenced for murder she got charged a sentence for accessory after the fact so it's still possible wow what happened to daniel is he still in jail yeah so daniel's in jail he is part of some this weird program that i guess like recently started in California where they allow death row inmates to work and do things and so he's that might be

what my sheriff is all worked up about oh yeah maybe maybe so yeah it's so he um is providing like hospice care and is like a tutor or something um i don't know what that means if that means that he's going into like actual old people's homes which i doubt they would ever allow that to happen or if he's just doing that for other people in prison. But yeah, they just started this program. I forgot the name of it, but it's specifically for death row inmates. Huh.

Yeah. And there were some talks that Gavin Newsom is or was thinking about a moratorium on the death penalty in California. Do you know this? Have you heard this? I don't know. I know it goes back and forth all the time. Yeah. Yeah.

So I don't know. There's a chance he never gets executed, but whatever. He's where he deserves. Like, can you imagine. I think he's pissed he has to have a job now. Dude, can you imagine the selfishness of like killing two people just to have a wedding? Like, how? No.

Oh, my God. That is. And what were you going to do after that? What we're going to do when you got home from the honeymoon? It's like, oh, well, she's pregnant. We got to get a house. We need to level up. I guess you got to kill three more people.

Yeah. It's like, what a horrible plan. What a horrible. with horrible people. But you should watch some of the interviews of this guy. Like when you hear him talking, like he's just like, he's got to be nuts because he's like so happy.

Like he's got to be out of his mind. Well, I think also then maybe it's like a little bit like he didn't really want to be a part of society, you know? I thought about that too. I thought, I thought like maybe he's where he should be because he never wanted to work, but he didn't want to be homeless and like, yeah,

as a home and no actually he also sounds like he comes from a shitty family anyways because his brother was also charged for accessory after the fact because he actually took the bloody instruments that he used to dismember uh sam's body and that was the backpack that he gave to rachel that he was supposed to dispose of said he's been apparently in and out of jail ever since like it's i don't know the back the backpack had body parts in it no no it had um the tools he used to it's remember the body. Yeah, which also may wonder, like, what was he going to do with the torso? His whole point was...

Right, it was still in the attic, right? His whole point was like, I had to do it this way because I couldn't just come downstairs with a whole body. I was like, what were going to do with the torso? Like, how much blood was just dripping from the attic on top of the stage, like... And how long would that take to smell that? I mean, he got arrested so quick. He got arrested in five days.

Like, I don't think that. That's enough time. Yeah. It's like literally it took you like 30 seconds to ruin your life or make your life better if you really wanted to just live in. I feel it been worse for Julie and her feeling because like she literally had nothing to do with any of this. She didn't even know this guy.

Yeah. She didn't know. Like you were just like awful. Just so you can have a honeymoon like in a wedding. It's like absolutely insane. Like yeah. I mean, I don't know. People will do that for last, right?

Like you always hear about someone killing a gas station or 7-11 attendant for like $20 and that was the other thing. And that was the other thing was he could only withdraw $400 at a time. Hold on. Or sorry, $400 a day. So it means that it means to have gotten the money would have taken them half a year of daily withdrawals. Doing the least suspicious thing ever, daily withdrawing your maximum. Such a stupid idea. but anyways that's our guy that's our guy for today yeah what a dope yeah he's uh he's he's he's

with there with it's that san quentin death row is kind of like a who's who he's he's there with like scott peterson i think still unless scott peterson got off he might have got i feel like he's his i feel bad that i just pulled the like like latest mugshot picture because he definitely looks better in that picture than other pictures of him and it does kind of look like Scott Peterson, maybe they're friends. Maybe he's like, Scott Peterson's the cool guy here. He's, you know. He's the homecoming king on, man.

He's like, hey, you guys want to learn how to play golf. What a gaggle of absolute losers. Like, imagine. I was like, I was watching, there's a show on, I think it's Peacock. It's called Jail. It's just the name is Jail. They have ones for Las Vegas, Texas, Louisiana. all over right each season is like one of those and and i was watching out and it just occurred to me

i was like oh this is just like time out for completely maldeveloped adult brains because that's what they do they're like they act up and they're like they put them in time out like they'll literally put strapped them to chairs and then aim the chairs of the wall and it's like are you calm now it's like fuck you it's like okay well i'll come back in an hour it's like literally like it's like it's like four kids and can you imagine the death was like the worst the worst of that what was the first thing that you the first show you watched it was also called something like jail lockup locked up okay lockup's great lockup's amazing that's one of my favorite shows but i mean in this point i watched all them like 15 times so i don't watch it anymore but it's fantastic so i'll watch it oh another one okay fine

another one is i'm obsessed with love after lockup that is Taylor it is so good it is so good I think that I've, um, I think I've heard of it. Yeah. Start, start watching it and you will be completely hooked because it's, it's like 90 day fiance except it's so much worse. Like it's, like it's so much more doomed to fail than even 90 day fiancee. Is it people who met like, who like fell in love with someone who is in jail? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. be like a guy on there where he's like he's like yeah my baby's getting out i've sent her 90,000 in the past five years while she's in there and then she gets out and they're like we're going to get married the night she gets out there's one guy literally they got married the night she gets out or the second night she gets out and that night she ends up going on a meth binge and stealing his car and getting arrested the next day like i feel sad and that also kind of makes be happy that men do that too

and it's not just women writing to comics. I mean, the women get took quite a bit. I bet. A lot of babies that whatever, I'm not going there. Anyways, that's

my story. Cool. Yeah. That was terrible. I feel bad for half of people in the story and not for the other half. There you go. Yeah. do we have any listener mail yes i didn't mean to look this up something from oh nadine found um the podcast that you were talking about um it is a there is a three part series from freakonomics

about um the reparations of antiques that's what you're talking about and um trying to like return antiques to their native lands. Yep, that's exactly what it was. It was Freakonomics, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so she shared that one. If anybody wants us that, it's Freakonomics episode 541, the case of the $4 million gold coffin.

You can't hear the dogs. Not at all. Not even a little bit. Wow, this mic is incredible. There you go. This mic is absolutely. You ask, we answer. They are.

Crowd of people. Lighting up that room over there. No, Nadia. Thanks for finding that. That was a really, really good podcast. It was really interesting because, like, different countries who hold these possessions, like, have kind of developed different methodologies determining. And almost all of it boils down to, like, we still want, the cultural value of it

is significant enough to everybody to where, if you allow us, we want to keep presenting this stuff all over the place. and that's great I think it should be that way I think I mean yes Have the original people own it But grant that license for it to be Seen by others ideally

That's fair Just like it shouldn't be like You shouldn't set it back to where it came from And then it goes into like some dudes palace Like it should still be available Yeah I was like I was just I'm like going down some weird rabbit holes right now And like there's there's so much Titanic stuff out there

Where like somebody rich Just bought a bunch of like really great stuff and not great but you know what i mean like yeah and it's like wait so like the grand piano on the titanic is down some guys well not it's probably not that but like stuff like yeah like that like has like tremendous cultural value and historical value that people should be exposed to and be able to see they just like sit somewhere in some guys walls and it's like yeah cool i think that king tutt was in LA at one point. I know that my parents saw the King Tut's like

death mask and the sarcophagus and everything in Chicago in like the 70s. And I'm actually reading from the mixed up files of Mrs. Basil E. Frank Waller, which is one of my favorite kids' books. It's in the 60s in New York City at the Metropolitan Museum

of Art. I may talk about how King Tut Tut was on tour and went around America and so did so did the Mona Lisa. Because remember the Mona Lisa was in the Met when it got wet. The Kennedys were there. It could have potentially got wet. So yeah, I think that stuff is cool. It'd be fun to go see those things. Even you get to see them for like half a second. Like at least you get to get to see them in person. So that's how that's fun that they talk about

that on Freakonomics that the Egyptian, it's like a touring museum concept. And it is meant to fund the lease for to the to Egypt for taking all this material and being able to go on the place. The other thing that they mentioned was that a lot of these countries or these, like, cultures don't have ways of keeping this stuff actually, like, 100% secure. And so they also lease it out because they're like, you be responsible for this. Like, we don't want this to come and, like, just sit here. That's totally fair. I heard about a painting that, um, um, what is it called the, like a painting in Chicago that, like, they got to Chicago. oh yeah and so there's a

a serrat painting that it's like pointless so it's like little dots and it's in Chicago because no it's in the Art Institute in Chicago because it went there in the 1800s and then no one will ensure it to go back to Europe because it's huge and like really important you know

yeah I can't even imagine what that would like yeah that'd be terrifying if you don't want to be responsible for that yeah yeah so anyways cool I don't know how I got there but like that was fun I don't know we got that either but um anyways sorry thanks friends i'm sorry i'm sniffing a lot too i have my allergies are like going to kill me but yeah my allergies are going nuts and that's what my throat probably sounds awful my voice sounds awful um but thanks taylor um anything else for you hop off uh no

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