Doomed to Fail - Ep 104 - Big Trouble in Little Skidmore, Missouri

Episode Date: May 6, 2024

Today we revisit the small town from Episode 19 - Skidmore, Missouri. Why does Skidmore have a disproportionately high number of violent crimes? We know that town bully Ken McElroy was killed by a mob and no one was ever charged. We also know that a young man, Branson Kayne Perry, walked out his front door and never came back in 2001 - AND we know his cousin poor Bobbie Jo Stinnett was murdered by an exceptionally horrible Lisa Marie Montgomery. For a very small town very bad things happen in Skidmore.  Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

In a matter of the people of the state of California versus Orenthal James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country. Sweet. We are recording. We just hopped on. Taylor, happy Sunday afternoon. How are you? Good. How are you? Happy Sunday. I'm good. I'm good. It's been a, man, every time I come to Dallas, it's like, it just throws up your plans.

off, you know. Yeah, it's so far away from where you live. I mean, it's like, it's only three hours. It's more so like it's just like the day-to-day life stuff gets thrown out of whack, you know. So anyways, I'm here being a social bull and doing family-related stuff, which is always a good thing. You'll notice my audio is probably going to suck, given that I'm not at home, but this is the best I can manage at the moment. I think you sound fine. Good. I'll take it. Fine is good enough. I'll kick us off and do an intro. We are doomed to fail. I'm Fars, joined here by Taylor.

We are your favorite, I think, hopefully, twice a week podcast. We cover random topics, and who knows what we're going to talk about. It's going to have something to do with something fun, gory, historical, whatever. We're kind of all over the map, and we kind of like it that way. Right, Tela? I like it. I like it that way. I do have an announcement related to that for later, but I will get to it.

All right. Taylor, who goes first today? I think you do. I think I do. Okay. Then let me go ahead and pull up my story. I'm going to do a little bit. It doesn't technically matter, but yeah, I know, I know.

We just started doing it this way, and now we're doing it this way. Yeah, there you go. So I'm going to do a weird kind of throwback. I started touching on, or I started researching this. topic and it kind of took me back to episode 19 actually um so basically i started researching this one case that led me to another case that led me to a town it's a town we covered forever ago when we covered you're the worst ken mackleroy you remember that one yeah yeah so the town that that happened in was skidmore missouri and that's i started looking into it

and felt compelled to at least bring up the fact that there's something going on in that town. Ooh, what's going on? Did we look in that episode, did you re-listen to that episode that we did? Is that the one where I also did not re-listen to it? But is that the one where we went on the map and we were like, there's four things. And there's like a general store for sale or something. Yeah, there's like 200 plus people, give or take, that live there right now. Yeah, it's like a very, it's not, it's a, it's a, it's a small town as yeah, it's, it's an exceptionally

small town, but the reason, so it's one square mile is what the town is, like I said, it's like a little over 200 people are corner to the 2020 census right now. It is tiny. There's like one store in town and, um, it's just, it, it just has a very, very unique kind of personality. And what's interesting about Skidmore is, I mean, every town has violent crime, but Skidmore, And Skiddle actually has a lower percentage rate of violent crime that other towns in the United States, but which, I mean, who cares? I mean, the sample size is 200 people. Like, everything's going to throw it off. I always feel like just population density is so wild because, like, you say 200 people is a small town, but also, like, I don't feel like I know 200 people.

Do you feel like you know 200 people? I guess maybe. But like if, like, Josh Vitry has like 6,000 people in it, there's no problem. I'll meet all 6,000 people live in Joshua Tree in my life. Well, I think when it comes to a town, it's like the fact that you have to have different skills and things that you offer up. And so a small, a 200-person town, like you got one mailman, two cops, a bartender, a grosser.

You don't mean like it's just like you're very limited in terms of, there's no, there's no whole foods in towns like this or any kinds of specialties, really. But I guess like, like I said, like they have. a lower than average of violent crime rate than the rest of the US but what's weird is like some of their crime is just clotest like the things that happened there were just

over the top insane and like for example I went through like I discussed with the F.R. Episode 19 the Ken Knockboard killing where he was shot in the middle of town and really nobody cared because everybody hated the guy so much that he's an asshole. Yeah exactly.

There was that case. There was the case that happened in 2000 where guy named Greg Dragoo he like beat the hell out of his girlfriend this woman named Wendy Gillenwater and then dragged her body behind his truck down the road oh my god do you remember the James Bird case in Jasper Texas no what was that it was like a racist thing that was like two or three rednexed someone's body yeah like in the 50s what like recently what James bird yeah no James word was like 98 or something yeah i believe that yeah um and in in this happened like this also happened of this

woman it was the exact same situation i mean absolutely grotesque scenario that was 2000 then 2001 this kid named ranson perry he went missing and i'm going to cover him in a little bit and then in 2004 probably one of the worst crimes ever heard of my entire life happened also in skin more and basically i'm covering those two last crimes but it's like a weird amount of like terrible things like yeah like yeah like they're all over the top back like yeah one of these happened in like la or new york it'll be like national news for like weeks you know and all this happened like this one small town and a lot of it was condensed into like a three four year time period which is also kind of wild um maybe it could be something going on like

you hear all the time how lead has an impact on how people yeah are the ability maybe something happened when we hear how the pipes in michigan were you know, full of lead. I don't know. I don't know what might have been going on here. Yeah, like the 70s had so many serial killers because all the leaded gasoline potentially. Right, exactly, exactly.

So it could have been something like that going on in a town that's just incredibly low populated and doesn't have a ton of infrastructure, but who knows. But I'm going to get into that first one that I talked to talk about the Branson, Missouri, or sorry, Branson, Missouri, Branson Perry in Skidmore, Missouri, in case. I'm sure there's a Branson, Missouri. there's 10,000.

Yeah, there is, yeah. Yeah, Branson, Missouri. It's like a, it's kind of like a Vegas, except like a low budge, Vegas. So let's get into this kid, Branson, Missouri. So, God, Branson Perry. Let's get into this kid, Branson Perry. So a little bit of background on them. So Branson, he was a graduate of the local high school here, there in Skidmore, Missouri.

and he, at the time of the events we're talking about, he was 20 years old. So then like the preceding two years from when he graduated until what happened on this date, he basically just like drifts around town. He was like a townie. He was a really, really nice kid. Apparently he would just like help out with like odd jobs and make money doing stuff like that. Maybe do some contracting or contracting work like labor work here and there. And in the middle of all this, he was also living with his father, a guy named Bob, who was divorced,

his mom was in town but they weren't together and so he lived with his dad Bob who apparently had some medical issues and he helped kind of take care of him so he seemed like an all-around like a decent kid with a pretty close relationship with his father one way we know that he had a pretty close relation with his father was that on april 7th of 2001 he was visiting a friend named jason beerman and he was apparently date raped so we don't know all the details also this is small town in 2001, so I'm assuming homosexual stuff was pretty well concealed, if it was going on. But the way Branson put it was that he was at this guy, Jason's house, Jason drugged him,

and they had sex. Branson told all this to his father, and in a slightly, I don't know, I would kind of consider this almost like progressive in a way. Like, he was just pissed at Jason for taking advantage of his kid. like apparently he had known that his son he had thought his son might be gay but like he didn't really press the issue and he was he was there was something going on with this situation because apparently drugs were also involved outside of the date rape component of this um but regardless like this ended up happening on april 7th of 2001 the date is going to be probably important i don't know how important but it's probably going to be important so on april 11 so four days after this Branson was home alone with his friend Jenna and she was over there to help him kind of clean the house. Like I said, he was really close to his dad. His dad had a help element.

His dad was in the hospital at the moment and he was under the assumption that he had to get things in order at the house for when his dad comes home from the hospital, which he assumed was going to be very shortly. So Jenna was there to kind of help him clean the house, get things to hang care of. He also retained some unidentified men to work on his dad's car to get that up in the house. running as well. So this is April 11. So this is four days after the date rape situation. Okay. At around 3 p.m. that day, Jenna says that she saw Branson take a pair of jumper tables outside out of the house because he was going to walk it over to this toolshed they had that was adjacent to the house. And she never saw him again. And apparently she never reported anything about this either. She's kind of left. She's like, well, I guess he got bored and did something else.

so I'm just going to leave, which a little suss, but I know, I know, I know, I know. It's a little too casual, but I'm trying myself in the frame of mind of like, I'm a small-talent person. All these people kind of seemly, they just kind of, they're like drifters, almost. Just kind of come in and out of each other's lives. And it's very, it's very transient, it feels like. So at the time that he, this fear, like I said, his dad, Bob, he was in the hospital, and he ended up getting released from the hospital a few days after. after April 11th.

And so he was gone. Nobody had seen him for a couple of days before anybody even noticed what was going on. So once Bob got home and he couldn't find Branson, he and Bob's mom, Branson's grandmother, filed the missing person's report with the police, and the police immediately set out searching a 15-mile radius from the house and ultimately found nothing of note.

What's interesting is they didn't even find the jumper cables, but apparently a few days after this event, the jumper cables kind of showed up on the front doorsteps of the house and nobody can really figure out like, did we miss it? Like, how did this thing just show up? Yeah. And the other caveat I'll throw out there in like not to besmirch anybody on this, but it is a small town police department, right?

Like, again, in the time of this event, I went back and looked at the math on this. At the time of this event, it was, it had a population of 342 people. So, like, you're not dealing with major homicide units and detective units and CSI. That's not the universe we're talking about here. So, anyways, going back to the case itself. So please do the search. They don't really find anything.

People he was acquainted with were all interviewed and they were all given polygraph tests and nothing suspicious kind of came out of the polygraphs or any of these interviews. The only thing they came out of interviews that police kind of looked at. on, like I said before, is that Branson, to whatever extent, was, like, dabbling a little bit in drugs, like, some marijuana, but also some methamphetamines. So, like, he was, he was kind, it sounded like he was, like, nut over the precipice yet and was, like, kind of just in that periphery. And, you know, that peek kind of the police's radar and thought maybe this could be a drug-related thing. So regardless, everything kind of calmed down. And no, nobody was

found in this intervening time until two years had passed from when he initially went missing when police arrested a 59-year-old minister and former Boy Scout leader named Jack Wayne Rogers. So they arrested him on assault charges because he apparently attempted to remove a trans woman's genitals in like a homemade surgery in a hotel room in Ohio. Jesus Yeah I just have a bunch of swear words to say

The things you're saying to me Because that is That's okay Continue I mean by all accounts It was like Consensual to the extent Somebody can consent

To be practiced medicine on illegally So So they arrest this guy They arrested him for practicing medicine Without a license and for assault That's the that's the arresting them for So they arrested him and they started to get into his personal effects and they find a bunch of horrible stuff, specifically material that I would classify as underage sexual content. Let's put it that way.

They also find that he was active on some wild kind of early internet BDSM forums and message boards where he would describe torturing and assaulting men. one of these posts was a first-hand account of picking up a male hitchhiker, specifically a blonde one, raping, torturing, and murdering him, like described in detail. And police read all this, knowing about Branson's case, and was like, this sounds like Branson. Like, this literally just sounds like his situation, like why he was hitchhiking. Again, who knows what small town stuff, right? But regardless, they thought

that this was incredibly suspicious and they started inquiring as to a confession, hey, what's going on? Do you know this Branson guy and this guy claimed up and down that he had no idea who this Branson guy was? He said he was making shit up and we don't know

what's true and what's not there. What they did find was that they searched his home and they positively, they identified a necklace that Branson also owned but a lot of people could have owned it. And so you couldn't like conclusively say one way or another

it was his or it wasn't his. And so in 2004, this guy, Rogers was sentenced to 17 years for the assault charges, seven years for practicing medicine without a license and 30 years for the sexual content that he had on his computer. And up until the very end, he denied having any involvement in Branson's disappearance. And what's worth noting that Branson's mom also says,

I believe him. I don't think he was involved. They apparently had some level of communication with each other. By this point, Brantz's dad, Bob, is dead, and the family is kind of still trying to sort out what's going on with him. It would be another five years later in 2009 when police dug up a farm in a town called Quitman, Missouri, because they received some sort of credible tip that his remains would be there.

They dug up apparently a 20 foot by 20 foot by 23 foot deep trench to try and find any sort of human remains. And they couldn't. So as of right now, the case is still open and unresolved as a missing person's case. He's just missing. He just walked out the door and never came back. Yeah. What's interesting, though, is that his family. So his dad, Bob, died in 2004.

His mom died in 2009, I think. when his mom died they said that she was pre-deceased by Branson so the family has already concluded that he's dead and by all accounts he has to be dead and so but one of the things that also happened of this one of the things that also touched on this

is the second story so pretty soon after Branson went missing and again this was ongoing as a missing person's case like they were up until 2009 actively digging trenches to find this kid's body. Something else happened in Skidmore.

There was even bigger news than this. So the second story, which is absolutely insane, is that three years after Branson went missing, his first cousin from his mom's side, Bobby Joe Stennett, also had a crazy event happen to her. and that's where all the attention kind of shifted over to. So this is Branson's first cousin from his mom's side.

And this is three years after he was marrying. So her name is Bobby Joe Sennett. She was living in Skidmore with her husband, a guy named Zeb. They ran a business of breeding pedigree rat terriers out of their house. And they were heavily involved in dog shows and dog-related events from the area. have you seen best in show yeah oh my god

so good it just feels like a small town hobby right like you never see like Chicago socialites well I don't know I think the Westminster dog show people are very posh aren't they I mean I've seen the audience

like I don't know if I call them pop I mean I'm well maybe not the audience but like the people who are on it are doing it sure sure yeah they're all whatever that woman's name is from The show. Kevin's mom from alone.

So that's what they did. They were living in Skidmore. They were involved in the dog show. And in 2004, Bobby met a woman named Lisa Marie Montgomery by virtue of her interests and dogs and, you know, all that stuff. So Lisa is a unique character unto herself. So she's not at all a well-adjusted adult. She was basically abused.

in every way a child could be abused. It is incredible, like, the things that she endured to the point where, obviously, there was a stepfather involved, there was sexual abuse involved. And when her mother discovered, I think she was 14 years old when her mother discovered that this abuse was going on, the mother threatened her with a gun, saying not to tell anybody else about this. Oh, no, no. Yeah, yeah, she was, I mean, yeah, to stay on brand, she was definitely just doomed to

up in the beginning, like just an absolute horrible hand at birth. So she ended up having four kids and then later on having her tubes tied. That's good. Yeah, she had four kids. I couldn't figure out if the four kids were all

by the same person, but I know she was married three times. So going, that's a little bit like just the background of like who this person is that Bobby made friends with over the dog scene. Going back to Lisa and Bobby's dynamic again they bonded over their mutual love of dogs they also were both pregnant and so they bonded over that and this was an internet friendship they had never actually met before so on

on december 16th 2004 a woman named darleen fisher expressed interest in buying rat terriers from bobby so she invited her over to her home but what bobby didn't realize was that this wasn't actually, Darlene Fisher, this was her internet correspondence friend Lisa Montgomery.

So when Bobby had her back turned, Lisa apparently strangled her to death and then used a kitchen knife

to cut out her eight-month-old baby. No, no, no, no. Do you remember this case? I do.

I feel like we had to brought this up in that in that episode. Oh. Jesus Christ. So here's the thing about Lisa. She was actually never pregnant.

Right. So she was faking it not, but it's interesting because she wasn't just faking it to Bobby. She was faking it to everyone, including her own husband. So almost immediately after she killed Bobby and cut out her baby, she called her husband and told them that she was riding a bus and she gave birth on the bus. and she had a baby right there. So police were super quick to jump into computer forensics. An hour after this happened, her mom found her on the ground with her.

They said that she said that it looked like her stomach exploded. And she found her on the ground just obviously dead. And so immediately police jumped into action. And they... I mean, what you have to be thinking to do that is crazy. Yeah. You have to be crazy. Well, we're going to get into that, actually.

To be able to physically do that is just, like, beyond anything I think of, you know. There's going to be like a list, listical version and explanation here, mentally, what was probably going on when this happened with Lisa. So police jumped on the forensics, trail the computer forensics of this pretty quickly, and traced the online communications from Lisa slash Darlene back to. to Lisa's house tracing the IP address. When they arrived, this was the next morning. So when they arrived the next morning, nobody was home. But they noticed that a car matched the description that a witness offered the time of the crime was parked in front of Lisa's house.

At that time, Lisa and her family, including Bobby's daughter, were at breakfast. And they arrived home later on that afternoon. And then police paid them a visit. initially Lisa was being interviewed by police and said it was her baby so and so it was obvious that she was like not in a good place emotionally and mentally and so she cracked after about an hour and confessed that she she took it the baby um did she like holding the baby yeah yeah when they showed up she was holding the baby watching tv did she look like her the baby like yeah like it was the right like i mean i i mean i

I saw pictures. Oh, race-wise. Yes, it was the right face of baby. Yeah. I'm a picture. It wasn't like I'm holding this baby. It's clearly not mine. Yeah.

Like, Lisa's white and the baby's black. Yeah, that would have been very obvious. But no, that wasn't the case. So police immediately took the baby into custody and handed it over to Zab. Apparently the babies was in good health, still in good health, living in Skidmore. And I can't even imagine that life. But I'm not so close. Like, but going into what might have been some of the motivations around why Lisa did this.

So apparently, at the time this happened, Lisa and her husband were going through a hard patch. And Lisa told them that she was pregnant despite having her tubeside. Apparently she'd done this before, too. Like, this has been like, I counted three times that she had told people that she was pregnant in the preceding years, even after she had her tube side. But she apparently told her husband this. And it seemed like she did that in an effort to kind of save the relationship. it was speculated that her husband knew or assumed that she was lying about this and Lisa go ahead sorry no like did she was she wearing like a belly so I couldn't get information on okay so that's sound rude about this but she was a bigger woman and she sure I think it's easier to hide yeah that's fair that's fair um I I I'm always skeptical of people who were like, I didn't know I was pregnant. I'm like, I don't believe you because it's crazy

being pregnant, but also like, I know that I should believe them. That happens. So in that vein, I believe that you could, people wouldn't necessarily know that you were pregnant. Well, yeah. They could think you were pregnant. They could think you're, so I'm going to get into this as well, because like that's actually like a physiological thing that was going on there, which, well, we'll go into here in a sec, but, um, the assumption was that Lisa thought that what her husband was going to do as part of their separation was let them know that or let the courts know that she was faking a pregnancy in an effort to show that she was nuts and shouldn't have her own kids and try to get custody of the kids. And so basically

the motivation that was pieced together through investigations was that she did all this to prove that she wasn't lying about being pregnant so she could keep her marriage and keep her kids. So what ended up happening was that Lisa was charged under a federal law of kidnapping, resulting in death. And this is going to take us in a whole different direction, which I'll get to here in a second, because it's a very interesting charge. The medical diagnosis for Lisa that they drew up in the middle of this prosecution included depression, borderline personality disorder, post-traumatic stress disorder. she had a bunch of head injuries consistent with brain damage and she also had a condition called, I'm going to try and pronounce this right, pseudosciosis, which is a real thing. It's a false pregnancy.

So there are situations where you can manifest, like your body can manifest all the symptoms of pregnancy with your hormone levels, with morning sick, like all. the stereotypical things that happen with pregnancy, your body can literally manifest the hormones that make you think that way. This is interesting because here in the U.S., this is like exceptionally rare these days because we have such

great access to, you know, medical care and sonar what, you know what sonographs, you know this stuff. I mean, we do and we don't, but continue. I mean, it is if somebody says they're pregnant, I mean, like they exist.

Yes. but I also just want to acknowledge there's a lot of weird shit going on with being pregnant like Donald Trump said this week that like states should be able to monitor women's pregnancies to continue. Let's not go with that. I know,

but I'm not going to say we're great at healthcare. Just keep going. It's not about being great at healthcare. It's like from a technological perspective, we're not like India or like, you know, those places where somebody can literally take a baby to term without anybody saying that you don't have a baby inside you.

That's what I'm getting at. Oh, right, right. So you can have this, like, this disease that you think that you're pregnant, but you don't know that you're not pregnant. Right. And everybody would think you were pregnant because you have all the symptoms of being pregnant that's known would expect you not to end up with a baby eventually. Yeah, this isn't a thing in the U.S. is what I'm getting at. Like, there's very few documented cases of this actually being a situation where somebody fake carries a baby, a non-existed baby to term under pseudociosis in the U.S.

Where it is prevalent is countries that literally do not have its technological advances to look into someone's womb and see if there's a baby there. That's the point. So ultimately, she was found guilty and sentenced to death. her appeal process was pretty interesting because kind of like what you're sort of touching on here it was kind of an abortion topic so it touches on what is a person like when does person start because she was convicted the charge was kidnapping resulting in death and a kidnapping is an abduction by force to seat or duress of a person and our point was

this wasn't a person, it was a fetus, and therefore, it should have been death resulting in kidnapping, which would be, which would vacate that conviction and start the process from scratch in the hopes of potentially getting a new trial and not having this be a death penalty, death penalty case. So it was all based on the legal term of personhood and when something a fetus is considered a person, which is like a I started reaching like I crazy like

it dovetailed into that direction well also like this we talked about Scott Peterson for a second last week but that was in that direction as well too because Connor was baby right wasn't that his name? Yeah but how well was that one

was he he was he wasn't born yet no I know was it like a first trimester thing or no it was much later. Really? yeah yeah yeah much much later oh that's right because he did because he did get convicted of two murders

that's what oh you know what and should and watson yeah it was it was yeah it was that was that was it was called something it was like um unlawful death of a fetus or something because i think the baby was pretty um whatever term low term I guess but it's interesting because so anyways that conviction stood they're basically hey we don't care of this argument this is really stupid like she did the thing she's going to be let's fry her basically so it also dovetailed into the 2020 election with trump and biden because trump was obviously like he was he was notoriously pro death penalty and Biden was and is notoriously anti-death penalty to the point where like as of now at the federal level, there's a full moratorium on the death penalty that Biden passed.

Yeah. And Biden was inaugurated on January 20th, 2021. Her appeals exhausted on January 12th, 2021. So apparently, Lisa and her jail cell had a calendar with Biden's inauguration date, like circled and like checked off because she was like, push this thing. to get through January 20th because she assumed correctly so that if she made it through the 20th, then she would be able to hit the assumed federal moratorium that Biden was assumed to pass once he went into office. And hers was really in the first case that would have come across his desk. Again, this is a federal crime.

So this is not up to the governors or anything. This is up to the president to decide whether it's grand clemency or not. Is it a federal crime because it's kidnapping? you know what actually shame on me i don't know exactly why it was a federal crime got it i don't know i don't think she crossed state lines maybe kidnapping is a federal crime i don't know yeah oh if you cross cross county borders it's it becomes a federal crime so maybe she did that maybe that even if she didn't leave the state yeah yeah maybe that maybe that i should have looked that up

um so again january 20th is a date her last appeal was exhausted on the 12th it was that day that she was transferred to the death chamber so she was executed officially on the 13th so it was 1.31 a.m. that she was killed if she had made it one week she'd still be alive which i don't actually know how i feel about because i feel like she's like a horrible person i mean obviously I don't either. A lot of, like, like, this is not something that, like, it's funny because, like, I've read so many of these cases where, like, yeah, like, if you were going to find, like, the poster child for why you should or shouldn't be doing something, there's a great one

for that somewhere in any situation. In her case, it's like, what a fucking monster. Totally, 100%. And then, like, you brought up absolutely. And you brought up Trump, like, remember when Trump struck that two-page ad in the New York Times to bring up back the death penalty for the Central Park Five? And they were innocent. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like, that's why we don't like it. Because people are innocent. That's why. That's why I mentioned that he was like notoriously pro-death penalty is literally I just, I was thinking back to that that situation. It's that same in the worst one. The worst one is that that 14-year-old, um, black kid who was accused of killing an 11-year-old white girl and they had to put like bibles underneath him so they could electric kill. You, it was. Oh, because he's so small. Horrible things. Horrible, horrible things.

I mean, there's a lot of, here's saying, like, on the death penalty stuff, like, there's a lot of reasons why we shouldn't do it. There's a lot of reasons why we probably should do it. But there's a better poster child for why we shouldn't do it than this woman. It's 100%. Yeah, I agree. I'm actually going to talk about the death penalty. You want to talk about mine later. Oh, cool.

So she, yeah, like, she ended up getting executed that night on the 13. she was pronounced that at 131 and she became the first female federal prisoner to be executed in the United States in 67 years she joined the last one was there was two that were done on in 1953 guess who one of those was the Ethel Rosenberg there you go yeah wow so it takes a lot to like to use that one 53 years later that's a big that's a lot it takes a lot it takes a lot it takes a lot I mean, yeah, like I said, she definitely heard it. What happened to what happened to the baby? So her name is Victoria Joe Stennett. She is still living with Zeb. She's 16, I think, 16, 17, anything I read. And she's living in Skidmore.

And apparently the people of that city are incredibly protective of her, like, as a community. Yeah, they're a protective bunch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Poor 10, poor 10 learned that. Because remember with 10, he was trying to. bully some like 70 year old grocer who like yeah everyone was like no we can't do this um but yeah but it's so wild because like again bobby joe bobby joe sinette her cousin goes missing yeah well also like i mean i feel like that's crazy but also like well i think

the crazy thing is that it's happening in the small town you know what i mean like the fact of their cousins i don't think is weird because there's not the many people there so like of course there's something bad happens and we're the one person they're going to be like there are no each other in some way, but I think it's crazy that, like, all these crazy things are happening there. Yeah, because, I mean, this case, the one, the Bobby Joe, one, the baby one, I mean, you don't hear about this kind of stuff. Like, this is, that's what I'm saying.

It's so grotesque. Can you imagine somebody cutting a baby? I mean, just, I mean, just. Okay. Also, like, it is really hard to get to a baby. Like, I had both of my babies. I did not need a C-section. but when you go to the classes and they tell you what a C-section is, you're like, oh, right, that's, like, major surgery and terrifying.

You've got to cut through muscle, don't you? Yeah, like, your skin and your muscle and then, like, find the womb and then get the baby out and then do all this sewing. Like, it's a big deal. So, like, you can't just, like, do a slice and the baby pops out. You have to, like, find it. It's just awful, you know? Like, she just, like, dig around in there to get to the baby. Ugh.

Yeah. Yeah. What a monster. Did you ever watch? the walking dead no there's one where they cut a baby out of a lady she's like I'm gonna die

or the baby's gonna die or both gonna die like you have to get a baby out and so I was like thinking in my head that the person would like nicely slice her belly and she just like

stabbed her in the belly and got the baby out and I was like it's probably what happened so gross I don't I don't so I'm actually I don't get

it's interestingly the case for like what is a person like right now is that kind of what is is that the legal definition on which states are deciding when to ban abortions is like what is considered personhood and every state's kind of deciding on their own

what it is yeah yeah weird wild we'll see we'll see all this year plays out we will but that was my story and yeah i know i kind of went back for a little bit to episode 19 but man i here's it i found i found her story then i found ranson and then i saw the name

skidmore was like that's weird but sounds familiar and they went research that i was like oh right ken like yeah what is up with this town because i remember back when we did it the last time we looked up how much a house on zillow cost there and it was like 37,000 dollars and there's like... Well, there was only, like, one. Yeah. Yeah, there was only one there and there was only, like, one, like,

comedian's sworn town. And I was also, like, the hanging out spot. Like, yeah. So, anyway, it just piqued my interest. But I would have covered this anyways if it was just this woman's case because this one's big enough to, like, deserve its own.

It's fun, but it also just does all nice into other things we talked about. So... Man, I mean, just, like, we had to ruin so many lives. Like, it's just, like, unbelievable, you know? Like, um, Lisa's kids, you know, her family, like, their life is probably in jambles, you know? Which, like, yeah.

It makes me, makes me think on how abuse is such a cycle. Like, if you, that was the only part of this case where I had any sympathy for was, like, hearing how badly she was abused. and who knows what that rewires in your brain. And the head injuries as well. And the head injuries. But it gets to a spot where it's also like, look, like, what you did was we don't need to try and understand it. Yeah. Like there's a part of me that's like, it's like, hey, I can't empathize with her.

But it's also like, who am I to say that anybody who lived that exact same life, parallel life as she did, would not have done that. But also, we don't need that in society. Man, that's terrible. So, but yeah, that's my story. What was your, what's your, is it a letter that you need to bring up? Or what were you, what did you mention earlier that you have to read something? Oh, no, I have, I have a couple things. One, as we have a listener note from Juan Carlos, my husband.

I know you saw it on Slack, but I did listen to your episode from last week. And when I was like, I don't know, my sheriff's mad about something about death row. And you're like, yeah, death row inmates have jobs now. And then Juan was like, that's exactly what he's mad about. We were like, maybe, but he's like, it's exactly that. So we should have, I think that's exactly what he's mad about. I mean, I, yeah, I would not be happy about it. Yeah, to recap, my sheriff sent an email about death row prisoners escaping.

And I was like, what is this about? And then you said immediately after that that there was a new thing where death row inmates are getting jobs in California. Yeah, we have one message to us and was like, are y'all dense? Like, you all, like, obviously. He was like, what is wrong with me? This is exactly what we just talked about. It was very funny. So if anyone else was mad at us, that that is, we get it.

We get it now. Yep. Yep. Not a good idea. Not a good idea. And then another thing is I made a listener survey last night. So I will put it, it's in our link tree, and I will put. put it in our email blast, and I will put it on social media.

But we'd love to hear from you all who you are, who listens. And if you, you know, are our friends in real life, how you found us, if, you know, what keeps you listening. And because we need to get more listeners and I want to figure out who you are to be able to reach more people like you. So I love that. I'll show that out there. I also want to do more stuff that's like engaging.

with folks that are listening, you know, people who send in their suggestions or what they think of something, it's always incredible to read that. And it also gets the juices going. I mean, y'all hear when we talk about when we come with topics, a lot of times we just start researching things and going down rabbit holes and this thing led to that thing and that thing went to this thing. And then boom, like, you know, we make an episode out of it. And so when folks have great topics that aren't super well covered. They're great. They're fantastic. So we'd love to hear those suggestions all the time. For sure.

So sweet. I guess with that, Taylor, we'll go ahead and cut things off if you know anything else. Again, we're at DuneafelPod at GMI.com, all the social at DumaFL pod. And we'll be rejoining you shortly, I guess, in three days. Sounds good. Two days. Two days. Okay. Awesome. Thank you.