Doomed to Fail - Ep 120 - South American Nightmares: Luis Garavito & Pedro Lopez

Episode Date: July 8, 2024

Today, we go south to talk about the terrible serial killers Luis Garavito & Pedro Lopez. Separately, these two are the top two killers on record, killing nearly 200 children each. There's nothing to sugar coat here - these guys took advantage of poverty and the terrible human condition to commit some of the most atrocious crimes possible. True Crime friends - this is for you!  Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

It's a matter of the people of the state of California versus Hortonthal James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your... Sweet. We are up in live, Taylor. Hi, how are you? Good. How are you? I'm doing very, very well. I had a really relaxing Sunday, kind of sort of did almost practically nothing, which was great, which I needed. I love that for a Sunday. Yeah.

Yeah. I did get breakfast tacos. We discovered a place here in Austin. It's called the new dough. And we didn't discover it. It's been, it's incredibly popular. The line goes around the block several,

several times. But it's one of those coffee places where they are so, so proud of their coffee, their coffee beans, their roasting methods. I was telling Rachel, I was like, this feels like the kind of place

where they probably name the beans. Yeah. Individual beans and have like, oh, no, totally. Parts for each one of them. You know where they came from, their passports.

Yeah. Which is great. Like, they're very proud of it. And as a result, their business is booming. Their coffee is amazing. The next time you're in Austin,

we have to do a run of this place. It's a whole experience. So, yeah, it was really great. But how, how's your weekend been? Did you do anything fun? Oh, my God.

I did. Let me introduce the show first, though. Oh, yeah. Go ahead. So before, we continue our banter. Welcome to doomed to fail with a podcast that brings you history's most notorious disasters and epic failures twice a week. I am Taylor, joined by Farras, who had a very relaxing weekend so far. And my voice is a little hoarse from all the screaming that I did last night because I saw Nick was on the block and Paul Abdul and DJ Jazzy Jeff. And it was amazing. So much fun. It was so fun. They just like they're having so much fun. Paul Abdul had to stop and like use an oxygen tank. And she was like, I'm saying, 62. I'm trying my best. And she kept dancing and singing. And like

she seemed delightful. And then the new guys were exactly how they'd always been. And my daughter loved it, which was super fun. I'm so glad she loved it. Because those things are, it's a blast. Did you go to Lakeinta for that?

It's in like Palm Desert. So like it's like a big arena that's new. And so we already have tickets to see Weezer in November. And And then we're considering getting tickets to see in September, it's Chicago and Earth Wind and Fire, which I feel like we should go to. Yeah, seems worth it.

So I got to check up what's going on at that arena, but it's awesome. So, yeah, no, we had absolutely an amazing time. And it goes on the block look exactly the same except old. And they're cute. As it happens. My very first concert was Weezer. Really? That's awesome.

Yeah, what was yours? Immature. it's like an old rap group no one remembers them but like I remember going to that man this is my first like show was your first like big famous one that you went to

I think probably Britney Spears it's pretty big yeah I saw her a couple times it's just difference in like the production value it's like I've all been to like those lower budget ones that you go to the I have no idea what ERAs tour

looks like, but I'm assuming the production value is unbelievable. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I'm sure. It's insane. Yeah, but oh my gosh, it was so much fun, though. Very, very exciting. Cool. Well, we can go ahead and dive in and if I recall correctly,

I'm going first today. Yes. Sweet. I am going to go back kind of to our bread and butter. So, I I just, I was, I was researching a lot of like fun scandals and things to get into. I was like I don't have the energy to

get let's just go to something that's like super lighthearted chill and I started Googling around what the highest body count of a serial killer was. So chill. So great job. It's just different because when you look at stuff like this, it's like it can't touch and affect you. But if you like research like corruption or I was researching price fixing. I was like this is depressing. It's like it's all true it's all real it's all going to affect us like let's go to something lighthearted anyways i went into the backstory of two two killers who have the highest body count and we don't actually know what their body counts are we just have like rough rough approximations do you know either one of these people that i'm going to reference i'm sure you do is one of them lani franklin no

like franklin doesn't make the cut he doesn't i think he's a top 10 guy but i don't think i mean We're talking in the many multiples of hundreds right now. Whoa. Yeah. Tell me. I don't want to just guess a five hours. Yeah. Well, we'll just.

You could also just say I give up, but yes. So I'm going to cover two of them. They're going to be kind of short. I'm going to these all happen in other countries a long time ago. And so there's not like a ton of details about each one of them. So they're going to be like two little short, flippy versions of this. The first person I'm going to cover is a guy named Louis Garavito. So Lewis also had an incredibly cool nickname, which was called La Bastia, which it sounds like bestie to me.

But it's not. It means the beast in Spanish. Amazing. What country are we in? We are in Colombia. Okay. Yeah. And tragically, for us and the world, Lewis actually just died.

He actually just died in October of 2023, unfortunately. so he was ultimately convicted of 142 murders but he confessed to 221 and authorities actually think he killed over 300 so let's get into the world that actually produces a person like lewis he was born in 1957 and he had both parents around he was the eldest of six children and his upbringing was what described it as difficult there was like a lot of physical abuse there was a lot of like weird sexual stuff there's a lot of weird sexual like sex stuff in columbia and like when people are you're i'm gonna get into we we need to go to so long story it just sounded like when he was very very young he immediately fused things like sexuality and violence and then in like the don't consensual part of it was like a right obviously a really big component of this as well he was known to do things to his younger siblings and to the neighborhood boys um and his childhood just reads um just a ton of this kind

of stuff for usual basically all kinds of weird sexual stuff that he did to kids and was done to him by adults and just all all that whole whole thing um it seems like his sexual urges became a problem in the house the point where he was kicked out by his parents but what i can gather it wasn't it wasn't that he was sexually abusing and insulting and molesting his siblings and other neighborhood children at his house with his parents there it sounds like the problem was that he was gay

like that's why they kicked him out of the house right it wasn't all the other stuff no so that just tells you what kind of people we're dealing with so he would grow into doing random jobs he's usually none of these guys are skilled people like none of them are radiologists or brain doctors right so like he would

be like a street vendor and then he'd go work at a coffee plantation in the field he did have a very very very notable problem with alcohol and that seemed to make him a very unreliable employee and friend and partner and everything

else his early adulthood is punctuated mostly by failing at life he would date women who would always break up with them due to his drinking and his inability to maintain a job this seemed mostly to be an exercise to suppress his sexuality or sexual desires since it sounds like he would never actually be intimate with these women

he was just like something to do i guess this point i actually don't is that sexuality like if you're a pedophile is it that's not sexuality is it what is that no it's like a disorder like it's not like a a a brain defect like it's not like yeah okay yeah yeah yeah so he was ever going to scratch this itch that he had right well he did or he did but then it's like right in the worst thoughtful way right yeah yeah yeah so he would again he'd seen a know he was fucked up so he would attempt suicide many many times this one time he attempted suicide um it was like it was during a stage of being just totally adrift women breaking up with him him kind of not having a place to say not having a really place to live he either actually checking himself into a psych clinic to seek

help it was in 1980 okay i'm going to pause there real quick for everything i'm going to say from here until the end he was under psych treatment and psych evaluation as everything i'm saying is going on so anybody who says talk to some like it's not always going to help sure it's not always going to help but certainly not a bad idea i mean we don't know it could have been worse right i mean he could have killed like 700 children no that's what i mean like so maybe that seeing someone helps. Yeah, yeah. You only killed 300.

Right. We don't advocate not going to see a psychiatrist. That's what I mean. I, okay, no, no, see a psychiatrist.

I would also, when it comes to like therapy, though, when somebody tells me that I're going to go to like marriage therapy, I'm like, don't waste your time. Well, that's because you had a terrible marriage.

Whatever. I had a great time. We had a really, we had much success with our, with our couples counseling. so that's that's not no he's that's a good face fine

Taylor knows a lot about this part of life unfortunately um so okay in okay so he's in site treatment all that stuff so in 1980 when he would have been around 23 years old he would start regularly sexually assaulting homeless children in the city of Armenia

which is very interesting it's actually like a city called Armenia in Colombia um and I have so many just the homeless children part in and of itself this is going to be a theme that comes up over and over and over again

I don't know what these countries are like where homeless children are like just stray dogs everywhere everywhere I read that in India too I read in India or not read it was like a vice docu-series they did on the homeless children of India where like they would have

have to do stuff sexually to like get by and also it's interesting because it seems like people don't actually give a shit about them either like like police don't give a shit it's kind of like like black prostitutes here in the u.s you know like they get that sort of treatment essentially yeah yeah yeah oh that's terrible yeah so he would relocated a city called armenia um where he was undergoing this psych treatment he would start working at a grocery store and kind of restart his life without anybody knowing him.

The consistent theme throughout his adulthood was nobody wanted to be around him because he was aggressively drunk, aggressively annoying and had no real redeeming qualities. It also seemed that people were starting to understand what his sexual proclivities were and they just didn't want to be around it. Like no matter what country you're in,

there's like an underneath category and this guy was definitely a part of that he wasn't killing kids at this point yet he was acting like I said aggressively and violently towards them he was sexually assaulting them so he would take them aside and do what he was going to do or they would offer to do stuff because they were poor

and needed money he'd also take little trophies from kids which starts to be like where he's because comes a little bit of a serial killer like items of clothing pictures details like that um like i said it was basically just starting to kind of scratch the itch and realizing like that's what was actually fulfilling him was doing this type of stuff it was noted that researchers found that cities where lewis lived during the 1980s had a

sharp increase in reports of child sexual crimes oh just kind of followed around wherever you went he would attempt his first murder in october of 1992 when he tries to lure a boy who was selling cigars and try to take him back to a hotel room he was caught doing this by police and in a sign of what law enforcement in Columbia was at the time they basically beat the shit

out of him with their revolvers they pistol whipped him they stole a thousand dollars off him they stole his watch and his ring and then they let him go so three days later he would successfully commit his first murder by killing a 13 year old boy who weirdly enough was named Juan Carlos

I like had to read that several times and was like that's a lot of on Carlos says that's not oh I guess yeah good point um he went up to this kid offering him work which convinced him to go with louis to a remote area where he was later found having had his genitals removed shoved into his mouth and his throat cut oh my god poor baby yeah a few days later he would run into a 12 year old boy named john john canaranda and it seems like from here on out the bloodlust kind of just takes over again he was convicted of 142 of these so i don't think i need to like keep saying what he did

to the remaining 140 victims you get it that was his memory that was basically what he did one detail that would arise in his later murders is that he would decapitate his victims

and there was just so many stab wounds it reminded me a lot of Andrei Chiquettello where he was just crazy from what it was described later on when he confesses it sounds like he just kind of blacked out

he'd black out, wake up just be covered in blood and just have destroyed some human in front of that. Yeah. Yeah. One fun fact was that he also stole their toes. So that was when he started doing his serial,

when you started actually doing the committee in the killings, he would steal our toes. But he was actually pretty clever about this. So he had these toes in a suitcase. He had this black suitcase that he would just leave in certain places. It was at his sister's house for a while. It was a girlfriend's house for a while. He just left this suitcase and all his trophies in it.

And he started getting paranoid saying, look, listen, Lewis. If the police starts sniffing around and they find a suitcase full of dead children's toes, they're going to think it's you. And so, much for his credit, he ended up getting rid of the toes. That's just like the least fun fact I've ever heard of the whole entire life. But keep going. Do you have them in like individual baggies or does it just like loose toes in the suitcase? It was probably loose toes.

Those guys not that organized. Gross. Okay. It's horrifying for babies. So in November of 1998, a mass grave was discovered by police, which contained the bodies of 36 children. They later found two more mass graves, one containing 41 and the other containing 27 children. What were they? Like in the woods?

Yeah. Yeah, there'd be some remote spot by ravines. There was one that was discovered under like a brage, like a ravine situation. Oh, my God. They all shared similar banners of death. And there was always liquor bottle, cigarette butts left behind. so police determined that this was likely the work of a single person

but then again wouldn't there always be liquor bottles and cigarette butts left behind even if it was like yeah that doesn't mean it's one person yeah it's just means like yeah I think I think the connection

I mean if it was like one cigarette well no I think the connection no no it was no because it was he didn't kill all these people in one one sitting no I think the connection was they all had a similar manner of death in the same kind of trauma of their bodies. And that probably is what

include them in. So on February 6th of 1999, Lewis was dating a woman named Roselia Zavalita and had just gone on a killing spree. He had just killed a kid and he was blind drunk and a pass on top of his course with a lit cigarette in his hand.

Oh my God. Yeah, he was a mess. That's what's crazy. He's like, how did nobody catch this guy for so long? He was such an obvious mess. But like I said, it's like, is he not covered in blood? Yeah, he'd be covered in blood. Wasn't, wasn't, was Chikato the one who figured out how to, like, stab someone where the blood would not gush in his direction? Okay.

The vampire of Dusseldorf. Yeah. Yeah. I like that guy. It was cool. Not good, but so. So, yeah, he falls asleep on this kid's corpse. He blacks out.

Like I said, a lot of these stories are him blacking on him waking up in this situation. It reminds me a lot of, do you remember Beer Fest where? that one Indian guy he just like yeah when Chanders Zucker does that oh my god that's so funny yes I think we've talked about that before he's like not again

not again so um he what happened was he ended up lighting the field that he was in on fire and that's how police were kind of drawn to this location they found the body apparently the fire like woke him up and so he kind of scurried away

he left behind his glasses and some clothing that's one thing you just asked like he didn't just covered him blood I think he took clothing with him Because in a lot of these places, there was, like, additional clothing that was found that was that belonged to him. And so he left that stuff behind. He also left a note behind that contained his girlfriend's address on it. So he was really stupid. That is so stupid.

Police contacted Rosalia, the girlfriend, who let them know that she hadn't actually seen Lewis since December of the previous year, but that he had left behind a black suitcase that she had never opened. So police retrieved the suitcase, open it, and find Lerickie. Louis's little trophies, including pictures of his victims, detailed notes about who he killed, when he killed them, how, where, all that stuff. What? It didn't smell weird?

Well, the toes weren't in there anymore, remember? Wait, wait, what did he do with the toes? I don't remember that. He got rid of them. He just, like, threw them in a ditch. Okay, so he had a gross suitcase that used to have toes in it. And... It's a weird saying that. She didn't look in it.

What the hell? She didn't look in it. I mean, I don't think a lot of these people are asking any questions. So days later, Lewis tries to assault a 12-year-old boy named John Sabagul. He kidnaps John at knife point. He led him to an empty hilltop where kind of like the assault began, as it always did. A 16-year-old homeless child could hear the assault and went up the hill and started yelling at Lewis and throwing stones at him to leave this kid John alone. Lewis was distracted enough so that John and the 16-year-old could make an escape together.

he gave chase and he was told by yet another homeless child that the two ran into the woods so at this point there's a big enough commotion happening where somebody had called the police Lewis is in the woods with his dagger searching for these kids they're not they're not there they're actually how you get a farmhouse nearby and um and so police were out waiting outside the woods when Lewis comes out with this um with this dagger he ends up telling police that he's actually a guy named Liskano like some local politician like character and police are like we're not buying that and we're just going to go ahead and arrest you until we forgot who you are and what you're doing here.

They needed to further verify Lewis's culpability despite having the suitcase at this point. And they had several details about the presumed killer from the items they found at the fire. So they knew the person who owned the glasses had a very specific type of eye condition that only affected one of his eyes. They also had his DNA on the items of clothing that they had retrieved. And so what police plan on doing was during while Lewis was at the detention facility, they were going to give eye exams to every inmate there, just to see like who, if Lewis has is a very specific eye condition.

In the middle of all that, they also were collecting samples of his hair from his gel cell to run DNA analysis on it. So it came back positive, obviously. It was like, yeah, for sure this guy. His eye situation was very unique in a sense. like if you look up videos there's a video of him being interviewed in 2006 you can't understand any of it it's all in it's all in spanish it's all in spanish i mean if you speak spanish you don't understand obviously but like but um it's impossible to understand let's just

how does everybody do it no and dando okay so funny oh my god it's so you can tell his eyes fucked so one of his eyes he ended up having removed because he got cancer in the eye like but it was like he had a horrible issue with him so that's why it was like a very unique pair of glasses that he had which is why cops like that's weird. So anyways he has tried, he is found guilty of

142 out of 172 murders. He was actually, I didn't understand how this works. I did a bit of research on this and I couldn't really get to the bottom of it. So he was actually technically sentenced to 1,853 years in prison, but apparently the law doesn't allow a sentence

like that to exist. So I don't know why the judge gave him the sentence because the maximum penalty of the time was 40 years in prison and that was actually reduced in his case on appeal to 22 years in prison for helping police recover the

victim's bodies no is it crazy who killed them there's people who probably did 22 years here for like weed you are for real no absolutely yes and okay keep going like i mentioned this

actually i did not mention this beginning but again the tragic part of the story is that he was actually eligible for role in 2023 and in a very telling sign which like speaks volumes to me he'd already planned out his post present life he was going to run for congress that's hilarious something dead sir because he would run for congress and he also wanted to join the ministry to be a pastor and he also

want to sort of nonprofit to help homeless children. Like it just sounds like, oh yeah, give me a fucking break. This could have been a Monty Python sketch. Yeah. Like I said, sadly and very unfortunately for the world, we actually lost Lewis in October of last year, the year that he became eligible for role,

he was never freed. And I looked this up and I probably dug most into this than any other part of the story, how he died. The prison won't say. The prison just says he was dead. they wouldn't give a cause

of death or anything. So I'm pretty sure that somebody in there was like, we're about to release this guy. Fuck no. Kill him. Yeah. It's what it probably happened. Yeah. So our next guy, so that's where

Lewis's story kind of ends. The next guy's almost, he might be even more interesting. So his name is Pedro Lopez. And he is also from Columbia. He was known as the monster of the Andes. Pretty cool name. Oh. Yeah.

So pretty much everything, it sounds like a, like a Yeti that was hunting like the alive people in the Andes. A thousand percent. No, that's cool. So pretty much everything I said about Lewis's childhood also applies to Pedro, except for the lack of a father. So his dad actually died before he was even born. His mom had 13 kids. She was a prostitute. She actually kicked Pedro out of the home for molesting the sister, which is probably what Lewis's parents.

should have done instead of kicking him out for being gay but still um so he would turn into a homeless street kid which like i said based on our previous story just tells you like how things go for these these kids he was i mean it doesn't even give me any joy it says he was basically used as a sex doll from when he became homeless to early adulthood like he was horribly horribly horribly abused like it was there's details about things that were done to him in prison than that we can imagine, and it was really, really bad. That's terrible. So he was released from prison in 1978 and wandered South America,

presumably having already started his killing spree. He later on, we're going to find out when he confess. By this point, while he was wandering around Ecuador, Colombia, Peru, he will have claimed to have already killed hundreds of little girls. Like, that was his thing. He was after girls. And none of this can be verified, but one story that was verified was that was verified was that he was caught trying to sexually assault a nine-year-old indigenous girl and the tribe of that girl

found this happening and beat the shit out of him and then buried him up to his neck in sand and just left him there and just in another feather in the hat for missionaries an American missionary who is trying to convert these indigenous people to Christianity was like release this guy. Don't do your savage indigenous things. You got to release it. It's like, come on. Oh, my gosh. Great. Good job. Jesus.

Way to go. So in 1980, a flash flood hit Ecuador, which unearthed the remains of four missing girls. A few days later, a woman named Carvina Povada was with her 12-year-old daughter at a market when she caught Pedro trying to abduct the little girl. Good Samaritan stepped in, and contained Pedro while police could arrive and arrest him.

While he was in jail, he refused to talk to the police at all. And so what they ended up doing was they took a police pastor and put him in prisoners' clothes and threw him in the cell with Pedro. And then Pedro would go into detail with this pastor, talk about how he killed 200 girls in Ecuador and Peru and Colombia. He would go into detail on how he would lure his victims and what he would do to them. It was very, there's parts of this conversation

that are quoted and I didn't write them down because they were really bad Yeah. So police after hearing this assumed he was basically a crazy person but upon an interrogation

he directed them to the grave site containing 53 children Like they literally like This guy's obviously a nut case Like this is nonsense Nobody could have done this He's like well let me tell you He showed him 50 later on

He tacked on another 110 He took him into other grave sites and it totaled out somewhere around 163 or so bodies. So he ends up going to trial for murder and he gets a whopping 16 years in prison, which at the time was the statutory maximum in Ecuador. Is that incredible? Yeah. He was, Taylor, this is incredible. He was released in August of 1994.

Oh, my God. he got two years off his prison sentence for good behavior he served 14 years for 163 absolutely verified child murder slash sexual assaults oh my god 14 years is that unbelievable that's so well there's there's people who like have stolen more than a thousand dollars worth of like deodorant that have gotten 14 years a thousand percent that justice is fucked up everywhere. Yeah. Yeah.

And he, so what ended up happening was that he was deported to Columbia, where he was picked up as an illegal immigrant. So he's Colombian. He was deported there. Actually, I don't know why. You know what? Never mind. I know why.

So he was deported to Columbia, which is his actual home country. But I guess in Columbia, you have to renew your, your proof of citizenship, which I'll get into here in a moment because this actually comes up later on. So he was arrested for not having. having that, and he was presumed to be crazy and set to a mental institution. He was released from that mental institution four years later in 1998. And the last time he was seen was in 1999 when he went into a government facility to renew his citizenship paperwork. So that's it.

That's the last we heard of him. So presumably he's still kicking around somewhere in South America at 75 years old, doing God knows what. Whoa. Is that crazy? Mm-hmm. Seems like a weird fluke of justice And this guy's like I don't know

It's kind of wild Because here in the U.S., like what I've When I've seen from I mean, what you hear about is like When when things like children are involved Like crimes against children or like the elderly Or the weak or the infirm or whatever else Usually it seems like the prisoners deal with it

Like It doesn't matter what the crime is. is but it sounds like it's just not like that like again so much of the story that of pedro's like childhood in life when he became homeless was men just picking him up and doing stuff to him as a kid like it was just yeah it's just so common i don't know i don't know it's terrible i mean it sounds like it was just like a terrible environment to be in at all stages yeah yeah for them and for the kids And, like, you know, with that, the, um, abuse, abusers often were abused, you know. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that was the situation with him and his sister who was molesting his sister.

But he like learned that somewhere. Exactly. Which is horrible. Which is horrible. It's horrible. He, these two are the top of the ticket as, as far as, um, uh, most, most confirmed kills and most assumed kills but there are a few others um yeah so louis garevito gets number one pedro gets number two okay so so lewis is now up to a hundred ninety three confirmed kills pedro's up to 110 then you have javad iqbal which i think he did an episode on didn't they no it was some indian guy or this is pakistan he's at a hundred you have mikhil

Popkov at 78 you have another Colombian at 72 where's Lonnie okay the first American on this list is Samuel Little at 60 well maybe that's what I'm thinking of and the second American is Gary Ridgeway at 49 wow I mean the stories are just so many so much more like yeah I mean is there's to be you look at like John Wayne Gacy and we're like so aghast it's like he killed 33 he killed so many

it's so so many I'm not saying it's not a lot he killed 160 less children than this guy did I know it feels like gosh just it's like an overwhelming number you're like I just can't believe that it's wild

yeah so anyways that's my story if you're ever in Columbia in a 75 year old you come across 75 year old named Pedro maybe just um go the other way remember when i thought my sister was missing columbia and i called and i called the embassy because we just like weren't sure and you know was that a situation where you went over the top without any reason to or was there actual reason to um well we just like she was like newly with her

boyfriend we didn't know much about him and like they went to columbia and then like she said told us where she was going and then she didn't we didn't hear from her for like three days so later she was like you guys overreacted but we were like what like they ended up they were on the island with no Wi-Fi but she didn't tell anyone and she like had been communicating with us you know yeah I guess to tell there is anybody who acts out of care if something happens out of character for someone then yeah it's probably worth doing something about yeah so I called the embassy and then they were like our next step was like put her pictures in hot her picture in hospitals and stuff but we didn't get there because she got off island she would have been so surprised yeah

she like gets off the island and I'm like standing there like trying to find her I mean it sounds it sounds like it was an awesome weekend on a island in Columbia with no self-service that sounds incredible doesn't that sound amazing yeah no I agree that sounds really nice so I went to Fiji and I was like the number one benefit of being in Fiji was very little service

yeah yeah if you're relaxing it's cool well thank you those are I hadn't heard of those too yeah they're probably because it's so terrible horrible horrible monsters yeah it's it reminds you of with um with last podcast when they talk about like the most vicious and horrible people and how you don't really hear about them because they're just too over the top like i think about like dean coral or charles ing and you're like anybody who hears those stories like wait why do we talk about ted bundy when these two existed and it's like we'll be too bad they're too

it's too much much yeah yeah ted bundy's like oh look at that he's like a cute little heart heart throb like you know yeah we don't mention that he went back and had sex with the dead bodies yeah you gotta yeah you gotta yeah you gotta be gotta they gotta they gotta bring that up a little bit more often with with ted but the way they frame it is like there's nothing charming about these other guys like there's something charming like gacy had a clown costume he was like a politician he ran owned a bunch of caves like there's something to them there's an x factor that like these guys just don't have there's horrible horrible deviance yeah yeah yeah yuck so anyways that's my storyteller do you have anything for us from

i do i wanted to i do i wanted to bring up the monkey business thing i said that morgan was disappointed you didn't mention monkey business but then you had a rebuttal to that so maybe let us tell us what that was again and yeah so what happened is that when people think of what happened to gary heart a lot of times they see the picture there's a picture of gary heart with um i forgot her name deborah was that her name yeah whatever name was uh on his lap on a boat the boat is called a monkey business and this was i think it was an antigua and people see that picture and like that's what got him kicked out of the race that wasn't it what happened was all the other stuff around asking the media to follow him and then catching this woman and is

going into his house but not leaving so on and so forth all that is what led to him being uh dropping from the presidential campaign the monkey business picture came out after he already dropped out and so that's why i didn't bring it up but it is an amazing picture like he looks so happy and it's obviously not his wife like he's yeah he's over the moon thrilled that this beautiful woman is on his lap i can't imagine it's got to be amazing like you're running for president everybody knows everybody loves you you got this beautiful woman that's like on your left and there's also rumors that he was paid by lee or she well she wouldn't have been paid it there's rumors that Lee Atwater had a hand in trying to get her to get on his lap to take this picture

so that they could frame it as oppo whatever material later on so silly yeah when Lee when he was on his death but he confessed somebody that he had that photo stage for the express purpose of defeating Gary Hart or getting him to drop out so but him but Gary Hart and her were dating just no they weren't no they say they weren't they never they never ever came back around to saying they did um yeah oh i thought that they were okay he was married this whole time he was married he was married but i thought that you had said that he was flandering but he wasn't flandering he was just being accused of flandering yeah well there's smoke there's fire like he was a good looking guy running for president i mean

yeah it's like it's like when you hear bill Clinton when we heard rumors of bill Clinton forever ago like yeah like like like when you see one cockroach you know there's like a hundred more of the wall yeah of course of course I don't think there's any human being who has ever reached a level of like success and prominence who is not done something like well Obama I think Obama is like actually one of the few normal sensible humans but I think that overall, like, you just, when you have that much power and wealth, like, yeah, you just go nuts. Yeah. That's why we all want power and wealth.

So we can go nuts. We can go nuts. I don't want to be left alone. I don't really want to go nuts, but, you know. Yeah. Well, thank you, Fars. I also told you earlier that I spent a lot of time updating everything. So everything is on YouTube now.

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