Doomed to Fail - Ep 127 - Suffering for Salvation: The Complicated Legacy of Mother Teresa

Episode Date: August 7, 2024

Listen, Farz knew that Taylor was going to yell about this, and she did. Life is hard and if you have the means and opportunity to help people you totally should, it's just really hard to see the 'help' on terms that are wildly unfair. Mother Teresa's legacy involves NOT giving pain medication to sick people, keeping millions of dollars in bank accounts around the world, and truly believing that the more you suffer, the closer you are to God. Which we argue, isn't really helping then is it?Again, you can be religious, that's great if it works for you. Just please don't hurt people in the name of your religion.  Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

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And if I stop and contemplate all the different things. things that are going on that need to be juggled, I will drop the plates that are spinning. So I'm just going to keep barreling forward. All right. Well, then let's just do this. Let's just focus on this. Let's just barrel forward. Do you want to intro us?

Yes. Hello, everybody. Welcome. We are doomed to fail with the podcast that brings you history's most notorious disasters and epic failures. I am Taylor joined by Fars as always. I am Fars. And I had my intro reading privileges revoked by Taylor.

that's why we're hearing Taylor now. You did. It was you have voted off by me and my husband. I don't know why he gets a vote, but that's kind of bias. I mean, that's mostly him, but he was like, you know.

It's fair. He knows this stuff better than I do. Yeah. So yeah, we go ahead and dive right in. So I kind of teed this up on the last episode of how I was bouncing between two topics. And I got.

All of one outline done, partially another outline done, that I think was probably going to end up being a better topic. And the reason mostly was because as I got to the end of the first outline, I was like, there's literally no doom to fail story here. And then. Always. I think that's not, not okay, but keep going. And I was like, we have to hold true to our stated mission, which we've always held true to. Do we? Okay.

Which we never have. so you know what i'm actually just going to go with the outline i finished um and yeah save the other one for next week or some other time so anyways um we'll go in and dive in and you were actually partially the inspiration for this in a really weird roundabout way because when you did that poseio brocolini guy and you start trying on the popes and ancient you know catholic stuff it got me like all wild up because that kind of stuff is really really interesting to me mostly because it's so terrifying It's so sinister and, like, scary, but also kind of, like, sexy.

Like, it's weird. It's, like, a little bit of all of them. And I was thinking, like, there's so many massive cultural touch points that are rooted in Catholicism. They're just, like, super fun. Well, okay, sorry, not fun. There's, like, big touch points. Let's put it that way. I'm sadly laughing.

Well, I forgot that I wrote down the whole sexual abuse scandal thing here. Yeah, that's not fun. so big cultural touchpoints you have the papacy you have sexual abuse scandals you have all this these amazing horror movies like the exorcist it's all based it's a constant of exorcism it's so fun it's so cool and it is fun yeah um and there was one cultural figure within the catholic church that was like super famous and i was seeing myself that they kind of faded into obscurity and we don't really talk about this person anymore and especially given the fact that they're pretty outdated within the framework of today's society can you guess what i'm talking about no isn't mother teresa yes uh she's the worst that's my stance as we start i don't know if i can say she's the worst she's definitely complicated okay i mean she didn't help people so we're going to get into that check okay so that's literally what we're going to get into is um is the history of mother teresa and like

what we think of her in retrospect versus what we experienced when we were kids. I mean, when I was a kid, like Mother Teresa was the end-all be-all. Like she was kind of like this like multicultural international kind of like deity type figure. She was here in the U.S.

speaking to presidents. She was speaking to dictators in other countries. Like she was doing all kinds of stuff and he was kind of all over the map. But like I said, she has a very, very complicated, complicated history. As is her charity.

So we're going to get into it. first things first to completely understand her life there's about 200 books that are written about her and honestly if you really want to understand it you have to understand every nuanced detail about the Catholic Church, the papacy the ascension of Cardinals, the ascension of saints, beautification,

candidation, leadership over time, the Vatican Church, the state of global politics and the economy between the 1960s and 1990s it is actually probably impossible to fully fully understand every element of her life because the Catholic church part is hard enough I think

but what I was getting at was that I'm going to go into her backstory and just kind of like list off a bunch of stuff because you just kind of have to accept it for what it is because if I try to legitimately explain every detail of her life it would be like

a 15 hour less than on the history of the church so we're gonna we're to bypass that and really what I'm trying to get to is the salacious part of what we think about her now, not like here's when she was born. Here's like, cool, all that stuff, whatever, it's fine.

But like, that's not fun. We're going to get into the fun stuff. So I'm going to TLDR her life pretty dramatically here. Okay. So she was born on August 26, which is actually one day away from my birthday. I'm August 27th.

So I'm kind of also a saint. She was born on August 26, 1910, in the current day country of Macedonia, which was back. than the Ottoman Empire. Her birth name was Anayez Ganja

Boygio. I did not practice. I did not practice saying that by one time. Juan's going to hear this. See, this is what I'm talking about. So she ethnically was of Albanian and

Indian descent and she was obviously born into no shocker Catholic family, but her family actually wasn't particularly involved in any religious work or like push her in the decision to join the church. But she kind of did that on her own volition. And at 18 years old, she left home to join a thing called the Sisters of Loretto in Ireland. And a year later, she was sent to India where she would teach at a convent. And that's kind of like where the myth of her kind of begins.

So after about 20 years of teaching here, she basically took note of the extreme poverty of the surrounding areas of Calcutta. And at this time, so 20 years into this, yeah, so it would have been like the 1940s, 1950s or so there's like a really bad time in India's history. So for context, what was going on at this time was Mahatma Gandhi was leading a mass revolt against British rule over India. A famine had struck India, killing around 3 million people who have starved to death. You had the start of the formation of Pakistan, which was only done because Hindu, and Muslims were killing each other in

India and so like there was a lot of upheaval going on which also begs the point of stop going into countries and colonizing that like let them do their own thing and this wouldn't be an issue so you should write Britain a letter and just

tell them no if you're thinking about it don't do it anymore we're going to do something even more powerful we're going to do an episode on Britain that'll teach them all 20 of you who are going to hear this. So in 1950, she

ends up leaving that convent and founding the missionaries of the charity. Sorry, it's called Missionaries of Charity. That's what it was called. And this is like, again, this is like a whole process. Like this wasn't just like, I'm just going to leave being a nun at a convent and go do my, no, she had like right to the Pope. She had to go to the Cardinal

there, had the Cardinal right to the Pope, get all kinds of approvals and all this shit for her to be like allowed to do this. It's like overly complicated. Yeah. Taylor's kind of rolling your eyes, which I, which I sense. I literally can feel my blood boiling because I think the Catholic Church is such a piece of shit, but you can continue.

But it's so fun. How can you hate something so fun? It causes so much damage. So the fun part you're just going to bypass. I mean, I, like, a fun part I like to learn about, but I'm not, but I think it's a, it's a net negative for the world. It's just so weird that these grownups are pretending to talk to God, because I know you're not really talking to God because God isn't real.

they have such cool garbs though if you can dress like the rope no it's just like everything else is just like a power play and they just want to hurt people and they're bad people so we're going to get into Taylor you're going to be able to go off on a 30 minute tie weight

in about 10 minutes now because we're getting it's the thing of it yeah so the point of this charity was to provide services to the most destitute people in Calcutta these are like the untouchables right like these are the people that like nobody would deal with they wouldn't go into hospitals

none of that stuff so um she basically established a home for these people to get services food shelter all that kind of stuff it was essentially just a place for people to die with dignity is how she would refer to it so yeah like i said these people were untouchables and so she was basically the only game in town offering this she would expand the kind of support her missionary would offer in the locations in which they would operate so as of today they have the following They have 180 homes for the dying destitute, mentally challenged adults and people with AIDS. There's 61 children homes. There's 27 facilities for lepers, which I didn't even know there was that many lepers to, like, fill 27 facilities full of them.

Just as a PSA to you is that armadillos carry lepros. And I know they're in Austin. You know what? I'm glad you told me that because I was going to start licking armadillos, and now I won't. So thank you. So there's five homes for women with AIDS. and then they also run a ton of schools and food shelters and stuff like that basically. That's the just fit and they're international.

They're all across the board. Who pays for that? We're going to get to that because that is a big, big thing here, Taylor. Okay. Good. I'm on the right. That is when your tirade can start once I get to that. So as part of the myth building of Mother Teresa, again, she was meeting with the people all around the world.

She was just like, I don't know how to describe her. like it was she wasn't like a school administrator she was like a she's like matthew perry in the lincoln commercials but not matthew perry matthew mcanaughey she's like matthew mcanae in the lincoln commercials like she is the voice of in this case the destitute but the way that he is the voice of lincoln okay link in the car company no i know what you're talking about but like those commercials are so weird but i get it i kind of get spokesperson she's a spokesperson that's what i'm trying to say okay okay okay uh some one thing that she did that i thought was actually pretty cool so was so as we're about to go into again literally like in the next like

week or two um israel israel and lebanon were shelling each other in the 1980s and there was apparently like the the front line of this war was in Beirut and apparently there was like a children's hospital in the middle and there was like 37 kids trapped in this children hospital both sides shooting past them and so mother teresa ended up actually brokering a peace treaty or like an armistice between the two sides were long enough for her team to go in and like bringing these kids out it's like there's some stuff that she's done though it's like okay that's kind of cool so oh yeah and then she died on September 5th 1997 anyways moving on so let's get to the good stuff okay so several things on the top

and we're going to start with like a really fun old tiny backstory of the catholic church So there was a guy named Ignatius of Loyola. He was a Spanish priest from the 1500s. And when he was 18 years old, he took up arms for a Duke of Spanish royalty in the Battle of in the Battle of Popoloma. So, and this is the part that blows me away. This is history so incredibly fascinating. So this battle took place in 1521 when French troops attack Spanish troops to reclaim a part of France slash Spain called Navarice. As of today, this part is.

still split 50-50 between them. Is that incredible? It's been like 600 years. They still are like contested as one region. It's like a tiny little municipality. It doesn't matter strategically. Yeah. Anyways, back to Ignatius.

So during this battle, which Spain would lose, a cannonball fired by France, shattered his leg, which left him in perpetual pain. And it was through this pain that he found, he says he found Christ and his religious calling in life, is how that kind of started. So this kind of, have kicked off the long tradition

history of the Catholic Church in a theory that pain brings you closer to God. It's known as redemptive suffering and it's meant to redeem you from your sins and therefore bring you closer to the Christ. Also, how cool is that? Redemptive suffering? That just sounds metal. No, how

fucking convenient it is. You don't have to help anyone. You are so negative. You're right. You're right. But... Right? Like, these like old women sometimes come to our house like once a year. read it from the Bible and I was like okay and then like I just don't want to be mean to them because they have good intentions but one of them was like you know do the whole like

blessed or the suffering blah blah blah blah blah blah and like that that keeps you helpless yeah yeah that's exactly why I brought that up yeah okay so so I mean so the literally the next word in the outline read that can be a problematic perspective when you run a house for those dying or who are extremely unwell so I'm gonna name off some people here who had like first-hand experience what was going on within this um uh facility for the destitute and dying so robin fox uh this guy was an academic and anthropologist who wrote on his experience visiting the house that dying in the lancet in 1994 he wrote the following and i'm going to have to parse this out a little bit because he's using some weird old-timey english so i don't

totally under i don't know why he talks like this but i'll get into it so he wrote this is a quote on a short visit i could not judge the power of their spiritual approach, but I was disturbed to learn that the formulary includes no strong analgisix. Do you know what that means? No, I don't even know what words you just said. So, okay, put it in plain English, what he was saying, so a formulary is a list of drugs. Analogies are pain medications. So what he was saying is, I can't say whether their spiritual approach is working or not,

I was shocked to see that they literally had on the prescription list of medications. of no pain medicine for these people who are suffering in abject pain. Exactly. The second part of his quote is, along with the neglect of diagnosis, the lack of good analgesia, Mark's mother Teresa's approach is clearly separate from the hospice movement. I know which I prefer.

So she's putting you in a hospice and hurting you and being like, this is because God loves you. Exactly. I will say fuck that again. well we're not even at the part where I was going to say you could go on a tirade we're not okay I was so mad this is a this is a tirade appetizer okay I'm going to stand up and lose my body a little bit so I don't know another journalist um Mary Ludon witnessed nuns reusing needles and basically just washing them under cold water sterilize them

cool isn't even the right temperature of water exactly and and basically it was a foregone conclusion, it should be understood by now that basically they had no facilities here at this place. There was nothing actually, there's no, it was like a hospital you were going into. Like, there's basically a cot and you just die, die there basically. Almost worse than that due to what it implies was that the sisters who worked here were secretly baptizing the dying. So I referenced it as kind of like a soul snatching facility. Like a place to collect souls. Mormons were baptizing dead people.

You could baptize your ancestors. Yeah. Didn't they do? They did Anne Frank. Jesus fucking Christ you guys. So on the one hand, you have people suffering from intense pain who are denied pain relief, which is in line with a long-held Christian belief,

and one that Mother Teresa held herself, which was suffering in people as a means of reaching God. And then on the other hand, you have the added bonus of when they died. they will have been sequely baptized against their knowledge when there were Hindus or Muslims to go to heaven.

It's like when people tell you that like a bird pooping on you is good luck. It isn't. This wants you to feel better. Yeah, yeah, totally. It's the same thing. It's just like you're suffering because you can get closer to God.

Like you're not, you don't have to ever. God's not real. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So it goes without saying that the conditions obviously were very sparse and very rudimentary,

which would lead you to believe that there was no resources available to these people, and that's why it was so sparse and rudimentary. It's going to ask that. That would be an accurate. So, knowing the exact finances of an India-based and globally operating religious charity

is like nearly impossible. Like, it's just too far reaching and too vast and too secretive to actually be fully exposed. A person named Sushan Shields worked from a Teresa for about 10 years, and she wrote a manuscript that while it actually went unpublished,

parts of their war excerpted a bit. And she's the one who exposed the secret baptism of the judge reference. And she also wrote this piece, which is quoted as our bank account was already the size of a great fortune and increased with every postal delivery. Around

$50 million had collected in one checking account in the Bronx. About seven years, go ahead, sorry. No, I just, I don't want to say, like, if you're religious, that's fine, obviously, whatever. Just don't hurt people. Why would you hurt people? What is the point of that? So actually, I'm going to go into that piece too. I actually have a section where I literally just want to talk about that one piece.

Okay, because I don't understand. Like, does she, she has like a scorecard for God that she thinks she's building up? Yes. What is it? Is that it? Okay. We'll talk about later. Yes. Oh, you get you actually. So, so seven years ago, um, there's an Italian investigative journalist. His name's, his name's so fun. Uh, Gianluigi Nuzzi. Great. pose your brocolini babrigita perfect he published a book

entitled original sin and in it he reports that mother Teresa had so much money at the Vatican bank that if she were to withdraw it

she would put the bank in default oh my God and okay you're going to tell me who's giving her the money right it's just like poor people donating

well so for one thing real quick on that for context in 2022 the bank held the total asset of about $3 billion how much would you have to have on account to

withdraw it and put that bank in the it would have been the hundreds of millions of dollars like it had to be so much freaking money and that was the only that was only one the other biggest fundraising facility she had was the one that's in the Bronx and that one's the one where I mean 20 years ago the lady said

that there was $50 million just sitting in the bank account or 30 years ago there was just money sitting in the bank account in terms of where she gets the money everywhere literally everywhere everybody who's famous everybody who's rich everybody who's whatever who basically the way it was framed in one article I read was that in the 1980s and 90s,

Mother Teresa made it so that rich people didn't have to feel like they had to do things for the poor because she was doing it for them. So they just give her money and she'll just handle it. She loves the poor, let her deal with it. That was basically the takeaway from that. It also goes without saying that she was very anti-abortion and contraception, she said at a national prayer breakfast in D.C. in 1994 that, quote,

in destroying the power of giving life through contraception, a husband or wife is doing something to self. This turns the attention to self, and so it destroys the gift of love in him or her. In loving, the husband and wife must turn the attention to each other as happens in natural family planning and not to self as happens in contraception. So she's not. well this is oh this is a part that follows she also goes once the living love is destroyed by contraception abortion follows very easily so what she's saying is like this slippery slope that led to abortion and we all agree we don't like abortion we should also ban contraception

that's not true it also aids we could talk about that so yeah so she actually did do she had a lot of homes that were dedicated to AIDS which is also part of the reason why nobody cared about but like you know how you could also if you help people not do that is with contraception right right yeah yeah yeah I got your point I thought you were doing a Reagan bit

because also that was also part of I mean I know if Reagan's doing anything but yeah that was also part of why nobody was paying that much attention to to AIDS at the time was because she had all these homes like she had homes dedicated for people with AIDS and it was just like how nobody wanted to help the poor people nobody wanted to help people with AIDS so they're like whatever

All the trees will take care of it. Yeah. She also equated abortion to being the greatest destroyer of peace today. So, so sure. I look so sense. So here's what I was like really thinking about my own perspective on this thing. And I was like, okay, pretend like you're assuming a perspective on this is wrong. And maybe being alive in abject poverty and complete abandonment is better than never having been born.

I don't know. My personal assessment of that is I'd rather. not be born? Yeah, and you would never know because you wouldn't be born. You would never know because you'd never be born. It's not like there's like baby souls waiting. I mean, maybe they think that that is a thing, but like, that's true. So, yeah, I mean, people, listeners, if you would rather be born than not, just write to us, let us know. I mean, if you can choose to be where you're born, if there's like a line and you can be like, you know, it'd be great if I was richer than I am right now. Yeah, you just like roll the dice and it's like, hey, this

time if you're born, you're born to Bill Gates. Like, cool, I'm going to take it. Yeah, that sounds awesome. Perfect. Yeah. So there was also, there's also been criticism in how Harner Charity have portrayed India and specifically Calcutta. But that, like, mostly what I see of that is coming from like Indian scholars who are saying it's not as bad as it was. But I looked up pictures of India and Calcutta during this time. It looks pretty bad. And not only that, but I was thinking not like, dude, I wouldn't

want to visit New York City in the, like, the 1970s, 80s. Like, what was Calcutta been like back then? I was watching the new Transformers who'd be in there on the subway in the, in the, in the 90s. It was just like covered in graffiti, you know, you're like, I don't want to do it. Like, it's not a dig at India, but it's like the whole world was kind of a shithole back then. So, um, of the criticisms that were leveled against her, Christopher Hitchens, um, do you know what this is? Wait, I think you froze. Oh, um, I was talking about Christopher Hitchens.

Who is that? Okay. So he died. a long time ago, but he was one of these like British intellectuals who wrote a lot on. He was just very, he's a very countercultural intellectual. I'm trying to think like who he's like, he's like Ben Shapiro

but less annoying and like nerdy. You know, like it's one of those guys. He just talks a lot about things and has a lot opinions. So he had my favorite assessment and probably the most fair assessment I read out of anybody, although he was like super mean to her overall. His quote is,

Mother Teresa was not a friend of the poor. She was a friend of poverty. She said that suffering was a gift from God. She spent her life opposing the only known cure for poverty, which is the empowerment of women and the emancipation of them from livestock versions of compulsory reproduction. Yes.

So, um, there's also like some stuff going on there around like the, the missionary aspect of going into another country and then just like trying to baptize people and send them to heaven. Yeah, like if you want to go into other countries and like, help them and they need help. And I feel like, okay, but like, I don't know, just don't, I don't, I don't understand.

So, ultimately, she was canonized and she became a saint in 2016. It's interesting because apparently there's two miracles that have to occur that are directly correlated to you. And so one of them occurred, I think it was like in 2008 or something. And it was this woman who had some sort of cancer, but she kept. the picture of Mother Teresa right next to where the cancer growth was and the cancer growth went away. And then like I read this interview where the husband was interviewed later. I was like, was it mother Teresa? She was undergoing nine years worth of chemotherapy and it finally went away. That's going to say. Was it like at her hospital next to the chemo room because that seems like

and then another one happened in the 2015, which nobody contested. And so, and so that's when that's when she ended up getting canonized. But it's interesting. One thing I also learned in this process. Do you know where the term the devil's advocate comes from? No. Okay. So the first time that they were thinking about canonizing her as a saint, they brought in Christopher Hitchens, who was acting in the formal sense as the devil's advocate within the Catholic Church, which was arguing against someone becoming a saint. So they have like a panel and you come in and the panel is like, we think you should be this we think this person should be a saint and then you as a devil's advocate come in and say here's why they shouldn't be a saint is that is that also kind of fun

that part's fun can imagine keanu reeves up there yeah that's really fun there was um a um i'm looking i'm i'm googling him and he is an anti-theist which i think i've heard this before and i agree with it's like if you're an atheist you can like kind of wish that god was real like oh it'd be easier if I believe in God, you know, but as an anti-theist, you're just like, no. I don't think I'd be better if I was, if I was ignorant to stuff, you know. I would say that the vast majority of my belief system today was formed by watching Christopher Hitchin videos on YouTube. Yeah, I want to watch something. Because I've yet to see one where his logic has not been, has been flawed. Yeah. So it's, it's definitely fun watching again he's one of those guys who's like right but also kind of

a dick like i think like joseph campbell i feel like when you see him talking to kind of feels that way as well i was like about like uh bill mar where like i'm like i agree with you and i also hate i get why people hate progress just want to hear you talk that's fair i think i feel like he he made that one movie about god and i was like god this is mean and i'm mean people who are religious and i'm like this is mean it was a little too mean even for me So, yeah, I agree. So, yeah, that's it. As of 2016, she's been candidized.

She was actually interred in a tomb at the original home for the dying destitute. And you can go visit it. It's obviously free. You can go in. You can see her tomb. And there's a, there's a statue of her. She was a tiny woman. Very small.

She was so small. I saw a picture of her with Hillary Clinton. She like came up to Hillary's like hip. Like she was a tiny, tiny little thing. And they also there have what's called Mother's Room, which is, how she lived and there is a part of me that's like there's something in life that I'm missing because there's going to be some joy in living like that otherwise why would you well I guess you have to suffer I guess you think that's going to get you to heaven yeah and I guess that's

that's the goal to suffer to get to heaven so passionately that's all that's all that it matters and doesn't matter if you I guess if you it doesn't matter if you hurt people because when you see people hurting people you're like good well okay so so that's the other part of it that was like i was dwelling on on this as well i was like these people what they called diet's whatever the untouchables like these were like they were treated like garbage right like they weren't even treated as humans and so like maybe this was great for them like maybe dying in like a room on a cot even when you're in pain is better than being outside on the rain and being pissed on by dogs.

I don't know. Maybe she picked them because it was the lowest, like the easiest thing to get into. Yeah, of course. They wouldn't know any better, you know? Yeah. Yeah, because the lowest of the low, it can't afford anything matter.

One thing, Christopher Hitchens said was really interesting. So she had a lot of health problems, older she got, she had like a heart attack or heart failure. She broke her column. One thing that he said was like, you'll notice that she never subjects herself to the treatment within her own facility.

She goes to like the best hospitals. Of course. She's, of course. And of course, like, if she had cancer, she would get fucking chemo and, like, do all those things. There's no way. Yeah. Yeah. Like prayer, I think is fine.

I think there's evidence that, like, magical thinking is good for you. No big deal. Who cares? Like, no one's getting hurt. But, like, you have to do that in addition to the chemo, in addition to the pain meds, in addition to the actual help. Yep. Yeah. Yeah.

You know. Man. Yeah, she boils. It boils my blood. It makes me mad. It just, like. why would you do that? Where's the money?

Dude, how much money has accrued in those accounts? Because again, these facilities are run like flop houses. Like you just want to hoard money? Like I feel like I don't, I don't know. You look at their website right now,

the missionary of charities or missionaries of charity, it looks like it was like a 1990s website. Like they don't invest money in anything. They don't put money into anything. It's just like what's happening to those. It's got to be in the billions by now. Yeah, it was just, like, been sitting there. I don't know.

I'm like Googling around. What does the thing says, I don't know if she said this, but like one of the biggest diseases is not leprosy or tuberculosis, but feeling of being unwanted and uncared for and deserted. Like, yeah, but you can also fix the tuberculosis while you're doing that. Yeah. Well, I think, I think, I think someone like that is like so heady about it. That's like, we're going to level up from this worldly plane.

I mean, yeah. Of course. It's definitely interesting. And man, every time I get into Catholic church stuff, I just go so deep. I end up having like 500 tabs open because like one thing goes to the next thing goes to the next and goes to the next thing. It's so fun. Yeah. No, totally.

I actually was researching how you become a saint because I'm going to talk about a saint next week. Fun as well. Are we turning into a religious podcast podcast? No. Oh, no. Ladies and John, if you want us to start reading the Bible. I'm not reading about it. Actually, I will go in there because it's going to be too many.

I know I know somebody who I grew up with who I found out that they were being interviewed on like news programs and stuff. And then later I found it was like Fox News and like OAN or whatever. And they're being touted as like a CEO tech founder or whatever. And I looked up what it was. It's like an app that if you download it every day, it just like takes part of like the Bible and just like sends a push notification so you can read it in your notes. It was like, how was this invention? Yeah. How is this?

Like, even a thing. It's so weird. People, like, have it and, like, read it all the time. I'm like, what are you getting from that? I don't know. Yeah. You know, like, I've read, I've read Dan Carlin's book a couple times. I've read, I think I read all the Harry Potter's twice, but I guess, I don't know.

I don't feel, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know what you're getting from that. And if it's, again, if it helps you and you feel good, then great. But please don't hurt people. That's the problem. Yeah. books you want do whatever you want like we're definitely not about censorship read whatever you want but like also don't believe whatever you want just don't hurt people things that is justification hurt people um well thank you far as that was really fun i feel very riled up i'm going to go stand

in front of a fan also because it's 130 outside but also that um i also meant the thing i forgot to mention in our last episode is um i have new stickers and if you leave us a review in apple podcasts or post about us on social i'll send you one so if you do those things please send me an email doomed to fell a pod at gmail.com and i'll send you a sticker and this one person's done it so far really that's so fun right we'll keep doing with people yeah so thank you um we're at doom to fell pod at all social media you can tell a pod at gmail dot com and that voice you're hearing is is my sard and you are guest hosts for this episode only um three i'll go ahead and cut it off and Thank you.