Doomed to Fail - Ep 13 - Part 2: Honestly, what an a-hole - Chris Watts

Episode Date: January 19, 2024

Today we are re-releasing our episode on Chris Watts and the brutal murder of his family. We've said it before and we'll say it again - Divorce. Is. Fine. Yes, it will be annoying and hard and expensive but it's better than murdering your family and ending up in jail for the rest of your life.We just looked it up and looks like Chris is currently a custodian at a supermax in WI - and still somehow getting love letters from women. We'll never get it.  Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

Hi, friends, Taylor from Dune to Fail. Today, we will be releasing our episode on Christopher Watts, who brutally killed his family and did some terrible things to the bodies of his little girls. And it's a very sad story. And we save this a lot, but just get divorced. Like, it's fine. Everyone will survive. Your kids can go to therapy.

Please don't murder your family. I know we're the only podcast to say that, but we really mean it. If you have any ideas for us, any questions. Any concerns? Please send us an email, Doom to FailPod at gmail.com. We're all the socials at Doom to FailPod. And as a reminder, what we're doing is re-releasing, our older episodes. These came out last year, and we were doing two stories per show, but it was getting kind of long, so now we decided to re-release them in shorter bites.

And then when we're done with this, we'll find other fun stuff to release to you on Fridays. If you wanted to go back and listen to all these episodes in their entire day, you always can. We're available everywhere that podcasts are sold for free. They're free. They're not sold. And thanks. Talk to you soon. In the matter of the people of the state of California versus Horthall James Simpson, case number B.A.019.

And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country. I call it a layup of the week because this story has gotten a ton of play. So I usually try and find things a little bit more obscure, but I'm going to be honest. I've also had a hell of a week, and I went with the layup story. So apologies, everyone. It's something that you already have probably heard about, but I'm going to put my own little spin on it. I am going to be discussing the Watts family murders.

Okay. Yeah. I have some opinions. I thought I didn't share with you. Should we start your opinions? I want to say number one, don't kill your family, no matter what. Okay. But number two, not Shannon, it's Shannon or whatever.

Shannon, yeah. Yeah, like Shannon spelled weird. This thing was super annoying. Sorry, she's super annoying? Yeah. Did you watch the Netflix documentary? I did, I did. She's like super mean to him in like the videos and like he makes fun of him.

She's like, oh, my husband's the worst. This is why he always does this stuff. And just like, she just seems like, not someone I'd want to be married to again this thing like I mean I've been divorced people yeah I've been married to that sorry I like this none of that seemed that atypical to me of like a married couple I thought it was a lot I thought I would never do that like I would never be like like on Facebook be like oh my husband's the worst because like my husband A is not the worst but B I would just that's so rude like I

never do that. It's just like not in either of our natures to treat each other that way. So when I see that people treating each other that way, I'm like, just get divorced. This is terrible. We're not fighters, so I don't know. You don't, you don't brow beat one into submission on a daily basis? No, we're actually very nice to each other. Like, sometimes we annoy each other, but like, for the most part, we're fine. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, look, yeah. I, here's the thing, I don't know. Maybe I wasn't being totally myself as I was going about doing this, because I actually shared your sentiment like but I was just like oh god the way things that happened were just so so bad it's just like it's like I've reflected back on

I was like god like yeah how could you could you could you could anybody be that annoying really yeah no no nothing nothing is no one does no one deserves what happened to her zero I'll say this so like I read I saw a lot of her social media posts and actually a lot of her posts were very like glowing of him saying like what amazing father we're still like to have you, the girls are so, whatever, this, that, and the other thing. I just, there's something really weird to me about, like, people with, like, a life, like, responsibilities, careers, family and things like that, being super into, like, social media. I mean, at this point, I don't really, I don't, if it's not about my dog, or it's not about this podcast, I don't post anything.

Because I just, like, why is my life important enough to give a show what other people think? You like it's a weird psychology of like I need everybody to know about my life and care about it and it's just like I'm here for the likes I'm here for the comments like I don't yeah understand that and she was like heavy into that which like that would be the part that would drive me insane it's like why do you give a shit about what these strangers think about like your ultrasound results or like how you feel about what the girls ate for breakfast or how they were fussy like who who are you talking to when you post this shit like that's what would drive me nuts. Yeah, totally. So I'll get to this. Okay, I'll get to actually being delivered about

this outline and actually like not going on that side ramp. But so I'll start by saying, you know, again, this story has been has been poured over extensively. You called it out as well and the fact that there's a whole Netflix documentary on it or a series on it. And I don't know for sure, but there's got to be at least a dozen plus podcast dedicated justice murder because it was both in what happened and also incredibly stupid the one thing i would say is if you do decide to do something like this hey you're never going to get away with it for sure like that's never going to happen so always contemplate suicide immediately after and if you don't don't do this when you have like another 50 to 60 year lifespan ahead of you like that's the dumb part of all this it's like this guy

is less than 40 in prison in a solitary cell that's it like that is literally it's like it's like dude at least wait until like cancer starts kicking in your liver starts failing like then maybe go this route but like don't do it beforehand that's fine or like i mean don't do it first and foremost um but like or have like a better plan like you were saying you said at one point like send your credit cards people around the world and have them use them and then just disappear yeah yeah i got it all worked out i got all worked out and like isn't it john list who like was gone for like a long time because he did it right because he did it right because he took used only cash okay we need to stop giving people game plans here but the fact that he took out cash left his car one spot and then just

well john list was also lucky because he was in an era where like there was no cameras there was no social media camera phones yeah like nobody nobody's gonna see him and like take a picture of it and send it to like the f you guys most wanted like so he had you know i mean should if you're gonna do it maybe the time to do it is already over for you but i don't know where there's a will there's a way right so you can carp in your way to murder your family so don't do it don't do it so to your point like this guy didn't fool anyone for even a minute it that he didn't do it. It was so obvious and transparent.

So obviously what I'm talking about is Chris Watts. And yeah, it's kind of, I don't know going to get to the house because the house is actually like really, really terrifying. But so the story here starts in Frederick's. Wait, but get into that. Do the terrifying stuff. Can you? Well, yeah, yeah.

I'm definitely going to get. I'm not white watching this as well. I'm going to tell you exactly what happened. I'm actually going to details that I, didn't know that Netflix number covered. So we're going to go even grizzlier on this one than usual. Again, it's kind of a layup story. It's like a lot of details are kind of out there. But so the story is in Frederick, Colorado, which is maybe 30 minutes east of Boulder. It's an incredibly white and incredibly middle class town. If you street view their home, you'll see that it's just like

a very, very normal looking suburban life that you would live there. There's kids parks. There's, you know it's that kind of a kind of a vibe i wrote down like think more home improvement than rosanne like it's not trashy it's just like a notch above that you know our main characters we're going to start with who you just mentioned shenan not shannon shenan watson i know it's just like it's so annoying it's like it's not her fault but god damn it's so annoying yeah she was 34 at the time that this all transpired she and chris were married in 2012 after having data for about two years she worked for even her job fucking drives me nuts she i got to stop talking about this dead woman she worked

for a company that produced and sold a product called thrive which seems to be kind of like a health and weight loss supplement teller have you ever heard of a company called cut co yes like the knives okay i wrote down like i thought at first i was like a texas thing how do you was that like a nevada thing too or california it's an everywhere thing. You know, I think it was like, it was one of the, like, you could, you could cut co sell knives like door to door. And I feel like there's like my husband has a great story where he was like, he worked for a day for like a thing selling like meat door to door, like steaks. And like that was something that you could do. But now there's just like, I mean,

there's an infinite number of MLMs you can get involved in, you know? Infinite. Infinite. Like that's what I thought this was kind of like. I heard what the business model was like, this is Cutco. This is basically, hey, I will say, Cutco knives are amazing, but the entire business model is you had a bunch of 18 to 22 year olds, have them tell their aunt, uncle, and parents to buy these knives, and they see that they're good knives. Like, well, is it good enough for this price? Probably not, but whatever. It's my kid. I love them, so I'll buy the damn knife, right? And that's basically what this was. This was like, because the model, I think, is you buy the product so you are the the wholesale drop shipper of the product so like they make

their money because they sell to the salespeople and the salespeople have to upload that to everybody else this guy in college today was so hilarious he thought he was so smart you went bought fucking like three thousand dollars worth of these supplements i went to his apartment we're just going to like hang out or something you just had box of this stuff and you're just like this amazing it turned out we weren't hanging out he was trying to sell me he invited me over there's a little studio to be like this is the best thing ever anyways I didn't buy it but I love I love that I want to like I love when they do that and always sunny like they always whenever they do that or someone buys like a ton of supplements and it's trying to sell them it's like such a hilarious bit they did they do it and only murders in the building which you should watch if you haven't yet but it's just it's great yeah yeah I remember my mom getting like roped in a Tupperware parties yeah like all these women would get together and sell Tupperware to each other anyways so that's what Shanan was doing she was selling this product called thrive the weight loss supplement essentially and she seemingly made decent money at it she made about 60 to 70k by some accounts and apparently the product did

actually work we're gonna get into that a little bit later because there is some thought that this product actually had a hand to play in what ended up going on she was also a lupus sufferer which is an autoimmune disease where the body's immune system attacks healthy parts of the body she would discuss lupus quite a bit on her YouTube channel and her Facebook post. Again, it's just like somebody who, like, thinks that her life is really important and people should know everything about her, which is like, you just some, I don't know, it's a personality type

that I just don't bond with. Well, yeah, like on the note of the social media stuff, like I mentioned before, like she did talk a lot about her life, the kids, she talked a lot about Chris. It was just every, it's like everything had to be documented. Yeah, exactly, like literally everything. like yeah yeah we're on the same page right like they so i actually have somebody in mind that does this and it's like man like it's weird because like bill posts and like nobody will

like or comment but like every day it's like 17 posts about like what happened to say it's just like nobody cares nobody's like maybe the catharsic just put this in a diary like whatever Are you talking about me and how much I post about this podcast? No, I actually really appreciate that. No, no, I actually really appreciate it. Like, I've actually had that thought multiple times where I'm like, I should be doing as much as Taylor is doing. And I just get like swamped with work shit. And it's just like I don't want to look at my computer screen.

Like at this point, when I'm doing work, Zoom meetings, I tell everyone like, I'm turning my camera off. I'm walking because my eyes are fucking bleeding from just staring at the screen. So I don't want to do it anymore. So that's that's part of my problem. But I will try to get better. We should talk about that at some point. I'm going to, you can do my review, my employee review for doom to fail and tell me how I'm doing.

So her and Chris had two daughters. Their names were Bella and Celeste. Les went by Cece. I'm just going to refer to it with Celeste here. And they had a third on the way who would have been named Nico. Bella was four at this time. Celeste was three, and Shadan was pregnant. She was four months pregnant with Nico this time.

So I think four months is showing, right? It's pretty big. Yeah, you definitely have told everybody, you know. You definitely, yeah. If you're like conservative and like about it and like worried about it, you wait until like three months to tell people, but after that you've definitely told people.

Cool, cool, yeah. Chris himself, he was an oil field operator. And by all accounts, you know, from what you could see, because again, everything was documented, he looked like a happy devoted father and husband. He was always smiling and, you know, he put on the act. He put on the show, essentially.

Chris was apparently also a fan of Thrive, that supplement company. And he was apparently kind of doughy part of the events that we'll be discussing and lost somewhere in their neighborhood of 35 to 50 pounds through some combination of using Thrive, which is like a patch apparently. You put on like, it adheres to your skin

and like doses you throughout the day with like a bunch of vitamins. Oh, it sounds like it works. Are you trying to sell it to me? So I have a, I have like about 50 pounds of these patches here. that are waiting for someone to be shipped to so if you just then mo me $600 you will I will send you this box to thrive um yeah yeah like apparently this guy got like pretty jacked and ripped and what typically happens when someone is do we live in one way and then they

ended up living a different way they get some jacked and rip he started looking outside of his marriage for company which is exactly what ended up happening so that's kind of the secret if your partner starts suddenly getting like super healthy and good looking like you're headed to the divorce city so just keep an eye on that as well he had a mistress who will play into this i feel pretty bad for the mistress because she actually she had no idea no idea what was going on totally her name is Nicole kissinger not kissinger kessinger and i can actually say her name and not feel that bad for saying it because after this she changed her name and moved away and we actually have no idea who she is now.

I was going to say, should we say her name? So good for her. Yeah, yeah. I thought about not seeing it. At first I was like, I probably shouldn't even name drop her at this point. But later on in the article, I was like, she changed her name. She's gone. Like, nobody knows who she has.

Somewhere like she probably went into like witness protection program. I don't know. For real. I'm sure people were mad at her. And like she didn't do anything wrong. No, I'm going to get into a lot more of her involvement. Like she was actually a very good person in this situation in this dynamic. Poor thing.

So she, the way she met is that her and Chris also, they worked for the exact same company. I think it was called Anna Darko. And she was a geologist there as he was a fuel or oil field operator. And yeah, yeah, she was, yeah, she had her shift together. I mean, that's like when I learned about her and I saw her person was like this was like, this was like, she thought like, oh, I met this great person. Like this is a start of a new life. And like it was just like, now I, but you know what? It's like that feeling where like, okay, I did all the right things.

I went to college. I got my master's degree. I became this professional, I got hired, I have a 401k, I bought my first house, like, I'm doing all the boxes, and I met this person who was going to be like the next thing that's going to, you know, that's how I felt like, that's how she looked in their pictures and didn't work out that way, obviously. So Chris had apparently told her that he was undergoing a divorce from his wife. He was like separating going through a divorce and was honest that he had two kids with this wife that he was leaving. So she knew that much, but not anything else. So let's get into the actual events. This happens so fast, which validates how fucking stupid this guy is.

On August 13th of 2018, at around 2 o'clock of the morning, it was like 148 a.m. Shanan came home from Arizona from a business trip she was on. That same day, so the morning later on that morning, she had an OBGYN appointment that she didn't go to. And she was also supposed to attend a really important work meeting that she also missed. and she wouldn't respond to her text messages. So her friend, someone named Nicole Ankinson, grew concerned and went to the house to check on her. So I don't know if you're going to say this, but that girl is a badass hero. Like, if you saw the video of her, she was like, I'm not going to let this go.

Yeah. I remember thinking to myself. She's the kind of friend you need. Yeah. I know. I was also looking at from the perspective of Chris of like, man, she is going to blow up my spot. Oh, yeah. no. As soon as she got there, he knew that he was like, this isn't going to last more than like a day, you know, because she was not going to be like, she was not going to let it go. She is just best friend of the decade award to her. Yeah, she was a dog with a bone. Absolutely. Absolutely. And like you can tell. Like that is not a woman who moves easily. Like she was going to stand there until this was figured out. Like she was not going to. She was never going to back down. Anyone. Yeah, exactly. So he was fucked. He was fucked. He was fucked. He was fucked.

And the second she took an interest, because her interest in this, yeah, like, her interest in this is why, like, there was never really a chance to, like, digest anything, absorb it, what's going on? What do they just do? How do I get out of this? Where's my cash? Where's my passport? Like, she got in the middle immediately. Amazing. Congratulations.

You're the best. Exactly. Exactly. So she's there. Obviously nobody else is. She sees that Shann's cars in the garage. It's got a window. she can see through it she calls Chris expressing concern of what's going on then she calls

the police so the police arrive they do a welfare check and there's obviously no sign of shenan or the girls none of the belongings you would expect of someone leaving a house were actually missing so like her keys her phone prescriptions because she was a she had an autoimmune disease she had to have medication with her all this stuff was at the house chris comes home in the middle of this and Taylor have you seen any of the body can video of this. That's what I was talking about. Yes, but he's just like, oh, no, no, no, and what's her friend's name again?

Nicole. Nicole. And Nicole is like, no, this, this, this. Like, it's incredible. Like, that's, yeah, that's what I've seen. I have, I have the body cam image, like, actually my brain. I actually didn't watch him all his research in this because I've, like, read about this case so much before in the past. The way he walks up to the house, it's like, that was the moment it just snapped up, like, I'm fucked.

Like, this is the... Like, this is the... When you know, you'd have to be on the news being like, please don't know. He didn't even... He didn't even open his mouth and the look in his face is just like, this is the end. Like, and it was, he was right. Because he had a horrible, horrible poker face throughout this entire thing. Anybody who has a remote interest in this case, I mean, obviously, a Netflix documentary incorporates the body cam image.

Like, there's a lot more. Like, there's a lot of body cam imagery or videos that you can go watch. of like this entire interaction he has with the police he has with Nicole he has with the neighbors like this guy was inundated like think about this obviously spoiler alert you just killed three members of your family and a fourth was on the way you spent the entire night getting rid of the bodies then you went to work yeah yeah and then you you come back to this scene of what you just did the cops are there you have your neighbor there you got Nicole there the immovable object and you're just like he knew that moment that it was kind of over and you could see it written

on his face completely so you asshole you got caught immediately yeah he just looked totally deceptive totally shifty and i actually wrote here it's irrelevant we we discussed sorry but i wrote that maybe if nicole wasn't so on the ball he would have had time to gather himself yeah but he didn't because she was just right there just johnny on the spot guess yourself a friend like Nicole. Yeah, no kidding. I saw one video where the neighbor, where one of Chris's neighbors, he's with Chris and the police and he goes, hey, I have a camera that captures part of their drive wave, Shann left mysteriously. We should be able to see it on this video. And Chris, because again, we have, it's all too. Only laughing because it's like you, you were, you are the

worst. You did it. Like, you thought of nothing. Can you imagine what must be going through your mind in your chest if you're Chris in this situation he's just like oh that's great let's look at this video he has no idea what's on it oh my god we're gonna fire later they might have just captured him loading her corpse in the back of the car but yeah that's what he's because he has no idea where it's pointed to so they go to the neighbor's house the police and Chris go to the neighbor's house and you can't make anything out like it's like obscure the trucks you big there's bushes in the way you really can't see what's going on but as the video starts playing there's a point when chris looks away like he like turns his back to the video almost like

just like fuck this is it and then he turns around and he has his hand he really picks himself up he's like oh i can't i have to look at the video i have to express concern for my family and so he looks to the video but then he puts his hands on the top of his head when he's being arrested he's just it's not it's not it's not funny but it's funny just because like he's yeah i just like couldn't have 24 hours ago was a totally different thing for this dude not even it wasn't even 24 hours it was way less than it was like maybe like 12 hours yeah totally different life at one point Chris walks away I think he like left to go move a car or something in the body cam video captures the neighbor look at the cop and say yeah he's acting weird which he was he was everybody could tell he was just not being himself being normal there's another video that you just pointed out where where he's on the news pleading for Shanan and the girls to come home. And this is so cringeworthy. Because like he says it in this tone that is so deadpan,

so devoid of feeling and his eyes are just like black. And it's like, I, I miss the bright eyes of smiles of my daughters. Please come back, come back. And he's like looking at the camera and just like, it's like the most poorly acted. acted thing you've ever seen your entire life. Yeah. Which yeah, like what are you?

What are you supposed to do? Right? Yeah, you have to. I've seen so many of those where like, you know, people are on the news and like the in-laws are crying and like you're in there and you're like, you know what happened and what are you supposed to do. Oh my gosh. You tell them you're going to get coffee and you just fucking leave. Like that's what you do. Yeah.

Because you're never going to get out of it. Well, like, okay. maybe you'll talk about this eventually but didn't the other peterson who killed his wife didn't he like try to leave to Mexico and dyed his hair yeah but yeah but he was stupid because he stopped to go golfing he stopped to do a back nine on the golf course with his dad with like a wig in the back of his car with like a hundred thousand dollars in cat it's like dude you got all the evidence that prove your flight risk on you you don't have three hours to play golf today like right right white people problems yeah you seriously so chris apparently he goes willingly to the police

station he's not under arrest this point they're just like they don't they don't know anything right they don't know anybody's death so he goes there to answer questions and he also goes to take a polygraph test he obviously fails the polygraph when asked get anything to do with his wife or the kid's disappearance the police grill him on this and at first he maintains a story that he has no idea what happened to them by this point that was the story i have no idea what happened to them And then his dad is the police station, and he asked to see his dad. And again, just like going back to like, you got to remember, like, you know, you look at him and you're like, what a, you look at the picture of him as a family. Like, what a wholesome dad-looking guy.

You have to remember some people can look normal and be totally more complete mons on the inside. Like this guy was one of those guys just seemed like a normal, all-American dude and had rocks for brains. He's being taped obviously in a police interrogation room. and he brings his dad in and he whispers to his dad as though he doesn't think that people can hear him whispering to his dad that he confesses that he killed her

he tells her I killed Shadan and the dad's concern puts his hands on his shoulder like what happens son you can tell me and then he starts like coming up with the story like he literally just kind of invents the story in the spot saying that he walked in on he said that he

told her that he's having an affair she flew into a rage killed the girl so he and a rage killed her and the dad's just like i mean i guess you know i mean i don't know if you're a parent i guess you believe what your kid tells you because you don't want to believe the alternative and so the dad's very concerned and it's like yada yada yada so anyways that's what's going on and the police come back in and he starts kind of unraveling and telling this this story

and i remember here that i really loved watching the police interview of of chris because They were just so good and patient about drawing out the lies and teasing them apart one by one. Part of this methodology is like, she's the bad one, right? We all know she's the bad one. You're the good one. You did it for a reason. It makes sense. Think about it this way.

Like, they break it down and lie by life. So during this process, he goes from, I have no clue what happened, to I'm having an affair, to I told her I wanted a divorce, to she killed the kids, to then I had to kill her, ultimately ending with her bodies are in a crude oil. oil tanks at my work. That's the disparity of the hours-long conversation they had here. So the prevailing theory is that Chris and Shanan got into a fight the morning she came home from that work trip, Chris essentially saying

that I'm having an affair and I'm leaving you, basically. Chris strangled her in their bedroom and Bella walked in on him doing this. He then wrapped Shanan in a bed sheet and placed her in the back of his work truck, the floor of the back seat, not the bed of the truck. And then place the two girls in the backseat as well. But they're alive, right?

Yeah, they're alive. And they were asking him, what's wrong with mommy? And he was like, yeah. The most sociopathic, unbelievable thing I can possibly imagine. I was wondering. What? What are you thinking? I mean, it's supposed to be like total panic, but like, oh my God, don't strangle people.

Well, like I said earlier, maybe we need, I, there's things I want to. strangle. So maybe like a fake strangler that you could strangle, like a stress strangling thing if you're so angry at the world. But like, God, I mean, if he's going to kill the girls anyway, like, why make them sit through that drive? Yeah, that's why didn't understand. I was like, why didn't she just do it at the house? Maybe he didn't know he was going to do it. Maybe he was just like, he was trying to figure out what to do. Yeah, maybe like that drive to wherever he was going was the time he like decided, oh, I guess I have to do it now. But like, why? Yeah. Because like, Because I'm trying to do the math on this.

Hold on. Let me do serial math real quick. So like, okay, let's say you just killed your wife and you have two kids. And at that point, if you have even paid any attention of true crime, you know that you're going down for it. Because it's always the husband every single time. Yeah. So at that point, when she's, I mean, you just kind of take off with the girls, right? Like, why do you need to, oh, you know what?

Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot who was stupid as shit. He thought that he could do all this and start a whole new life with his girlfriend, Nicole. That's what it was. That's the logic. That's, I told, I was like, I keep forgetting this guy's really, really dumb. Okay, sorry, back on track now. So the field where Chris worked was about 40 miles from the house, and that's where he ended up taking all of them.

I don't know exactly how long it took, but I would assume it would take at least 40 minutes, maybe 60 minutes to think about what to do once you get there. And once you arrive at the oil field, he took Shanan out and dropped her face first into a shallow grave, which apparently resulted in. a partial birth of the kid because he like just plopped her down and the belly just compressed oh no gross yeah really really gross that's horrifying yeah he then drove a bit further up to near the oil tanks and took celeste out of the truck and strangled her before dropping her into the oil tank this is a tank this is a huge it's so scared to me it's like it's so dark it's huge it's like this is where like they fill barrels oh my god this is it's crazy scary yeah

it's horrifying he then turned his attention to Bella later on he would say that he was surprised at how much she struggled saying this is a quote little quiet Bella had a had a will to live out of the three Bella is the only one that put up a fight

yeah yeah yeah it's worth knowing that after like after like the conviction everything he kind of gave up the whole story about Shadan he came clean basically about everything so that's why we have these we have a lot of quotes about this from him. So he then took Bella and dumped her body in the other wall tank.

There was two tanks sitting next to each other. He later would say, quote, I couldn't, this is so protest the way he phrased this. I understand what he meant, but the way he phrased was really grotesque. The quote is, I couldn't believe how easy it was, just let her drop through the hole and let her go. I heard the splash when she hit the oil. But part of it's like grotesque It's like where he's like, I came with how easy it was to let her go. Because like I get what he's saying, but it's like you're letting your daughters. You don't know what I mean? It just hits different.

Wow. So, so turning back to Chris's girlfriend, Nicole, on this day, so the day of the murder, she, he texts her saying that his wife had taken the kids on a play date and never returned. She ended up learning that Chris was still married because of that news report I mentioned earlier that was absolutely just like gut-wrenchingly cringe. she would ask him about his family and he would just kind of avoid answering questions or change the subject. So like she's getting that like something is happening here. Because I mean, if she watched the same video that we all did of that interview, it's obvious that there's something going on here.

Yeah. She later would state, quote, it got to a point that he was telling me so many lies that I eventually told him that I did not want to speak to him again until his family was found. So she was like setting that boundary. like no no like you're something's going on you're doing something like you can't talk anymore going back to so shortly thereafter you know this trial became the trial itself was actually really cut and dry because chris pled guilty to the murders like there is no what's the defense there's like there's zero way to defend this case right so he confessed the murders he pled guilty he was only spared the death penalty because shenan's family requested the state not pursue it

that like there's already been enough death we don't need to kill somebody else in the middle of all this that's nice of them but it's it though because to me I'm like I imagine the life you had and then imagine that you're in a cell for 23 hours a day and you're like 33 years old like I think I would rather take the needle totally no you're right so I feel like they they were like so who knows what they were actually thinking but maybe they're like let that man suffer by himself in the next 50 years a piece of shit Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he received five life sentences without the possibility of parole and then another 48 years for the unlawful termination of Shann's pregnancy and another 36 years for three counts of tampering with the deceased body for what he did to them after they were dead.

He is being housed in a maximum security prison in Wisconsin now. He had to be moved around quite a bit because his profiles were or his crime was so high profile and because he committed this crime against his own kids that. he's not allowed to mingle and he can't socialize with general population because some you will kill him like immediately right it's presumed now that he's in protective custody and that he's in solitary confinement which essentially means that he's in itself for 23 hours a day he gets one hour out for rec time and that's basically it he essentially has no interaction with any other human being in real life wow in person yeah I don't recall where I heard this but I do remember hearing that he sometimes will have visual hallucinations where he will see

the girls in his prison cell with him which yeah like I totally believe this I think that you know again like if like again he's not even 40 he's still in his 30s and you know you have a minimum 30 to like 60 years left so you die in this prison cell like you're probably gonna start seeing shit yeah apparently they haunt the show to him it's not you know what like yeah Because like, you know what, like, I'm not going to say I get it, but like, okay, you went into a blind rage, you killed your wife. Okay. But then you had like an hour to think about this with your kids. Like that's the part of it that is like the hardest one for me to like actually digest. It's like what he did to the girls. Like that's so next level crazy. Yeah. So I do. He should be haunted for sure. But it hasn't stopped. his adoration from women so he apparently gets a ton of like sexy photos and letters and stuff like that from women who are in love with him so yeah that's a whole subset of dating is dating is that hard like I don't know I just feel like it's that hard that you have to like write someone a murder an email or I don't know I mean dating someone well adjusted is hard obviously these women are not well adjusted right do we think that's safe to say like they're probably yeah some like cobwebs and bats in their brains floating around there i yeah and i don't yeah i don't

i don't i don't get it i don't know what it is like is it it's there's something real i don't know like i don't understand what could possibly be when you find when you're like i have to it's a convicted murderer i feel like i remember reading in the beginning of this people were like there's no way you did it i love you and you're like you said he did it what's wrong with you i feel like this is another plug for widow or rocha because women in their 30s getting desperate so you think of find a widow who's like a widow by not murder there's a widow by not murder does anyone a marketing executive that wants to talk to me about winter rocha please give me a call we're trying to get we're trying to get famous people

If we can get famous and help widows, you know what? That is the sweetest reward of all. So the house itself, Saratoga Lane, they purchased a house in 2013 for just shy of $400,000. The house was listed for sale starting in April of 2019. I don't actually have the very, very first original price that was listed for, but counting the price changes, there was 19 price changes. from when the house listed until a few months later in July of 2019. Ultimately, the house ended up being priced somewhere around $415,000, at which point the listing was just completely removed.

Somebody just the list of the house. I actually don't know what happens in these situations. I would assume, so Chris owns the house, but obviously he's in jail. So his assets and his liabilities, I don't know what happens. Right. Well, is there like a, is that what the civil trial is for, for like, what's it called? Like, like, the money, like, for the family to, like, get money. Like, like, like, Ron Goldman's family, you know, that's where they were able to, like, sue and try to get the money.

Now that they didn't do it for the money, but isn't that the one more money's involved? So they didn't have this. Yeah, yeah. That's where the punishment isn't prison. It's money. But they didn't have that. I mean, Chris has nothing, right? like he has them assets he has nothing it's like maybe maybe oh you know what actually

maybe maybe it would have gone to shenan's state maybe it would have gone to shenan state and then if she didn't have a will then it would have just gone to her parents because her kids are dead so yeah it goes it goes up to the parents so maybe it was it was them that actually started listed in the house yeah yeah you definitely i can't believe we bought it though i mean it just feels like seriously you can't believe that nobody bought it yeah i can't believe no one bought it because it's like a like a nice house in the nice neighborhood and like what else like they just they could sell it for like half that you know just like get rid of it that do we feel i mean so disgust that is what a that house would scare these shit out of me totally but they don't want why but they don't

want it anymore i would just want to be like get it out of my everything i never want to think about it again oh oh you're saying the family yeah okay okay yeah yeah just listed like $15,000 who gives a shit just like get it get it sold yeah like I want absolutely nothing to do with this place get rid of it somehow some way this house was purchased like what would it be it would be four months ago really four months ago the house sold and apparently sold for $600,000 whoa that's way more yeah way more I don't I don't maybe I don't know maybe like the bad vibes wore off but six thousand dollars for that house seems like a lot I mean, that is, you're living on a, you know, ghost house, like.

Well, well, yes, but there's plenty of ghost houses. I feel like you're advocating, I feel like you're really advocating for this house. Well, no, I just feel like, I feel like there's tons of murder houses. Like that Los Angeles murder house, that was so cool, like, fascinating where that guy killed his family. And then, like, it was like a time capsule inside. And they said there were like Christmas presents that were still there because he happened on Christmas Eve and like all this stuff that was like real fun and spooky. And then someone bought it and they gutted it. And then they ran out of the money.

So they just sold it again, gutted. And it was like a super disappointing because it was really cool, like a cool 60s time capsule. And like, you stayed at a haunted house hotel once, didn't you? Yeah. Yeah. But didn't we talk about buying that house, like pooling a bunch of our money together? Yes. Having like multiple, multiple people go in and buy that together.

Yeah. But I think it's a generate. I think it's like, um, generations removed thing. So I think that if the people who were killed would have been dead anyways, that is the right amount of time to wait. before living in a Merker house. I think that's fair. Yeah. Okay.

So, so, hold on. So, okay, so the youngest would have been Nico. So he hadn't been born yet. So let's say it's happened in 2018. So let's say he probably wouldn't live past 100. So like in 21, 20 is like when that house isn't officially scary anymore, I think. That's fair. That's the rule.

Just made up. But I mean, it's a long time to wait. I know, I know. especially with modern house i'm gonna actually be seeing at that point but yeah we're in a recession yeah yeah who can who can wait um but that's this case and like i said like look i know everybody's heard about it i try to find more obscure stuff i'm gonna find more obscure stuff for next week but i guess that this week was a nightmare um and also this case is incredibly like red flaggy and horrible and again like i mean okay so going back to the theme of the show a big red flag is

don't let your partner get fit that's a really bad sign like just dose them with like baking grease in their coffee or something like don't let them i mean they're trying to run away if they're trying to get fit i just wonder like this like middle america life what is that like you know when like the mom has the MLM and all of these social media posts talking about her family trying to i don't know what become an influencer and then the dad is like not great or And there's like all these weird, it's so cliche. It's such like a, it's such like a middle, it's a middle of America, boring story. Yeah, two and a half kids, the dad has a mistress, yeah, it's, um, it was very middle America. Yeah. Except it ends in a not middle American way. It ends in Halloween town is where it ends. Yeah, those poor babies. Yeah. Just leave, abandon your kids. Abandon your kids. Like,

drop them off somewhere. They had family that, like, he could have dropped them off at Shann's parents' house and he could have driven for at least a week, you know. By the time Nicole showed up, the kids would have been, like, waking up. You could just left him there. You're right. Yeah, like, it's like daddy's taking his passport in this wig and just leaving. Like, do that.

He's gone. Yeah, and they'll find him in, like, six to 90s, tops, you know? but at least the girls are still alive he legit thought that he was just going to like move on with his life these guys are so stupid what an asshole what a moron yeah anyways that is our story for this week we will have more next week are there any disclaimers we want to throw out there or any request sailor yes i definitely want to again think everybody who gives us good feedback and it has liked us on Apple Podcasts and left reviews there. That is really the way for other people to find our podcast.

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I should probably edit that out, right? That's hilarious. Well, good for you. Thank you. Awesome. Thanks, Fars. Cool. Thanks, Taylor.

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