Doomed to Fail - Ep 15 - Part 2: You do not know any criminal masterminds - Tiffany Cole and (I can't believe I have to say this) Michael Jackson

Episode Date: February 9, 2024

Let's revisit this terrible story! It's a brutal murder of two trusting elderly people just settling into retirement by some of the worst people you could imagine! This is the story of Tiffany Cole, one of the only women on death row in America, and her boyfriend, Michael Jackson.   Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

Hi, friends, Taylor from Doom to Fail. Let's just go ahead and re-release episode 15, part two. This was on the murderers Tiffany Cole and her boyfriend. I only laughing because I'm about to tell you that her boyfriend's name is Michael Jackson. And, like, he's young enough to have been born after Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson was famous. And so, like, just don't name your Kim Michael Jackson. But that is probably not why this person ended up being a real scumbag murderer. but he is he is and so is Tiffany and they did terrible things and so I would love to hear your thoughts

doomed to fell pod at gmail.com as a reminder we are going back and re-releasing all of our episodes that we did double stories on so this is number 15 if it goes all the up 26 so a few weeks left of re-releases then we'll find something else fun for you but I hope you enjoy it's a matter of the people of State of California versus Hortlandtall James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country. There's tons of other people. Wild, wild stuff. Wow.

Well, I'm going to go ahead and transition us over to the true crime part of our day. Oh, right. I'll get some gutter water to drink. You'll understand. I don't have gutters. I will tell you the names of these people, and I want you to Google them, because you look at their pictures and you're just like fucking dirt animals. Like, they're just garbage, trash humans that, like, obviously are Florida-based, or not Florida-based, actually, but, like, the crimes were in Florida. it's like whatever is they just fit a certain i'm actually like the red flag here is

specifically about this relationship where it's like if you know if the person you're dating is sewage water personified like just don't and then he's like i have a plan to get us rich just don't listen maybe he's just a fun maybe just a fun dude that you hang out with maybe you ride the back of his motorcycle like fine do that but like if there ever comes this time where you're scheming or drafting plans that's when you cut bait and run that's definitely fair don't don't scheme yes yes so well i was going to i'm segueing too far into it i'm going to start with the outline and then we'll we'll talk away through this so i will say this past week has been rather interesting so it's been conference season in the political tech land and

so last week i attended one that was in austin and i have another one in denver and then the following one in palm springs where i hopefully get to see you and i kind of feel terrible saying this but a fun thing also happened last week in the middle of all these conferences which was this renewed interest in an austin serial killer well like let's not say renewed so like more so initially there was initial suspicions that austin had a serial killer and now more more people were getting them all saying yes there is like like right now like we're living in this moment right now which is like i shouldn't be so excited about it i know it's exciting had families and God love them, but it is kind of awesome to be in the middle of it, unless I'm a victim.

But apparently, so between 2008 and now, about 30 men in their 20s to 40s have been pulled from what is now called Lady Bird Lake. It used to be called Town Lake. Basically, it's that iconic lake in the middle of Central Austin that people paddleboard on. The police aren't really saying much, which is, they're just basically saying these are drunk accidental drownings. Yeah, no. With this Facebook group that popped up. like all these people are like they know these people and like no i was with him that night he wasn't drinking or somebody's in there is like my son doesn't swim he can't swim he's terrified

of water he would never willingly go into water never yeah so this this facebook group just like exploded in popularity which is i'll invite you to it i feel like you'd really get a kick out of it or blare i mean blair's probably already in it because it is the biggest thing in austin right now Whoa. They just cost a serial killer in New York who was drugging men at gay bars and stealing from them. And they would, a lot of them would die. So apparently there's a whole theory around this. So yeah, at first I was going to discuss the serial killings and all these deaths that are going around it. I ended up going down this rabbit hole of what's called the smiley face murder theory. Have you heard of this for? Yeah. So I'll give the brief summary, which is this theory.

that was put forth by several law enforcement professionals and professors involved in criminal justice where they've documented all these deaths deaths of seemingly able-bodied men in their 20s to 40s found dead in bodies of water and they theorized that there's approximately 45 deaths across 11 states that fall into the category of smiley face murderers.

Yeah. Which is like such an awesome concept. The term smiley face comes from graffiti smiley faces that are found near some of the bodies. And they think that that's basically the killer trying to troll law enforcement. And they did find in these killings, yellow graffiti, sorry, we don't know what they are.

We're calling the maximal drownings. Near where some of these bodies were recovered, the police did find yellow graffiti, smiley faces on the pavement. Wow. But it could have been someone trolling, right? It could have been, it might not even be the killer. It could be just.

It also could have been, I definitely looked up, I feel like I've read something about our words, like, it could also be just like a coincidence. Yeah, you could also be a coincidence. But like, also like, I don't know how many coincidences you need for it to like be a thing, but they're like, you know, there's, if you're looking for a smiley face graffiti, you're going to see it. That's fair. You know, but also like, it could be more than one person. There's so many fun things that could be fun as in like, you know what I mean. That's why the smiley face murder theory is like really interesting because it would. either denote one really, really clever serial killer or like a tag team network of serial

killers, which is like, that should be a movie. That should definitely be a movie. So I was going to cover all this. That's what I was going to do for this week's episode, but the problem is all these victims show up as accidental drownings. We know some details about their death or like theories around them because again, people hung out with, they're all in this group. They're all like talking about. They're like friends. But, again, again, again like the police aren't saying anything of this moment they're basically like no accidental deaths but like they're doing it deliberate right like they're trying to not release information to the public so when they do catch someone it's like this was not public how did you know this you know

yeah exactly one of those things so because all these deaths are right now only officially considered accidental there's really no red flaggy part of this i would really just only be doing it out of curiosity of a true prime phenomenon that's going on right now so i guess like the only red flagging here's like, just don't go near bodies of water when you've been roofied or if you're wasted. So I went a different direction. I went with another curiosity of true crime that is exceptionally rare women on death row. Ooh. So as of right now, there are 2,364 men on death row.

Taylor, guess that was my dog shaking. I did not fart. Just everybody knows. I feel I have to call this out now. Mm-hmm. Taylor, I heard the dog. Thank you. Taylor, guess how many women are on death row?

I just gave you the number of men. It's 2,300. 20. 50. 50. Wait, what's that percentage come out to? What does the percentage of men to women? Hold on.

2%. So 2% of all people on death row are women. So it's exceptionally rare to land on death row and be a woman. So when women do. get the death sentence. Their crimes are particularly fucked up. It's interesting because the correlation between who gets the death penalty and who doesn't does have to do with race, but not in the way you might think it does. It actually boils down to the victim rather than the race of the perpetrator. So it doesn't matter if it's a white guy killing a white guy or a black

guy killing a white guy. It matters that it's like a white victim that usually results in enforcement of the death penalty. So the other victim-related facts, It has to do with how they were killed and where they were in society, whether they were part of a prospective class in society. So think kids, the elderly, the mentally or physically infirm, like those all kind of factor into things. I'm going to get a lot more into what's called aggravating factors here in a moment, but that's something key to know.

The person I'm covering today, her name is Tiffany Cole, Taylor. Can I look at up? Yeah, go ahead. She might look for a lot of you. C-O-L-E? yeah i don't know if she looks familiar okay maybe if i start telling the story it'll start ringing a bell because her

what she did was again particularly fucked up all right yeah so tiffany kind of checked all the boxes of who you shouldn't kill if you're trying not to get the needle in 2005 tiffany would have been 24 years old we don't know a ton about her childhood except that she was acquainted with her victims by way of her father

and they grew up in South Carolina Tiffany and her father were neighbors of the victims that we're going to be discussing here in a moment their names are Carol and Reggie Sumner so the Summers had planned because at this time they're living in South Carolina the Summers had planned

to move to Jacksonville Florida and sell their house and in the middle of selling stuff away they actually sold their old car to Tiffany before they moved they apparently had a really really good relationship because they also let it be known that if tiffany was ever in jacksonville to look them up they basically treated her like their granddaughter in many ways and just so you know the summers were in their 60s and not doing great health-wise they look very sweet she carol sumner looked at the smile on her face is so infectious yeah they really look like just like your typical old couple white couple

yeah they seem happy they look very lovely yeah yeah yeah in april 2005 tiffany got involved with a guy whose name is kind of unfortunate it's michael jackson his name of the guy and yeah why would you do that you already knew like if there's a famous michael jackson it's over for everybody else yeah yeah which which like for SEO purposes also just a terrible name that it just didn't foresee how big SEO is going to be I know Heather Locklear in high school, poor thing. Really? Yeah.

Oh, my God. It felt so bad for her. That's tough. It sucked, yeah. But we're parents deliberately neighbor, Heather, right? I know. That's what I'm saying, yeah. Like, this Michael Jackson's parents didn't have not, not heard of Michael Jackson.

Yeah, if I ever come, I mean, when this podcast makes us famous. You know. There's so many farmers, so consanges around the world. So many farmer are so consangers. It'll be the hot, the hot name on the list. I know. One baby boy list in America is farmer or so consang. the whole thing not just your first name yeah no your segment's gonna have to expand into a lot more

names that you're using so yeah this is april 2005 tiffany's now dating this guy michael who's just fucking garbage like i don't i don't mean to be so elitist about this but look this guy look up tiffany cole and michael jackson because that's the only way you're ever going to find this guy because you're never going to find a googling michael jackson that's really funny um way i'm gonna do it with you so i'm gonna see what the first results are because i'm still looking at Nancy McCoy yeah I see it I mean I see it he has a lot of us he keeps his sunglasses on his forehead oh god he just my number one note he just looks like he's so fucking he got just garbage whatever doesn't matter again ride the motorcycle with this guy don't yeah yeah don't take

investment advice from this guy right like he he is a type yes garbage um is the type. So in June of 2005, so two months after Tiffany and Michael got involved with each other, Michael wanted to go down to visit his friend in Jacksonville, this guy named Wade, okay? So Tiffany takes the Summers up on their offer. If you're ever in Jacksonville, give us a shout. So she calls them, letting them know that they're going to be in town. The Summers let them stay at their home for a night. And I mean, they were just that couple, right? Like, you know what? When you get older and blow up pay. Yeah, like you get older, people don't pay enough as much attention to you as they used to and when somebody says they're

going to come busy you get all excited and yay it lets me your fucking chin strap bearded fucking michael jackson it's just just to be i mean anyone to be nice i'd be like sure i don't know yeah yeah yeah you're nicer than i am i think but i am that was my chair i'm I got to call this out every single time I move now. So the Summers let them stay at their house and they made them breakfast. And during breakfast, they let them know for no reason in particular that they profited $99,000 on the steel of their home in South Carolina. That came out somehow organic or not.

So Michael and Tiffany move on with their Jacksonville trip and hang out with Wade. But it was after this experience that Michael concluded that they need to rob the Summings. for the $99,000. Wow. Again, this, I'm just going to flag that this is like, I didn't know that this is elitism, but who in their right mind thinks that somebody has $99,000 of cash on them? Right. That's true.

Wait, totally true. It's not like they, this guy, Michael. It's not like they sold their house and like, great, give it to me in ones. I'm going to bring it home in a suitcase. Yes. but i mean look at the guy's picture and then assume that this guy is any better plan than there's fucking nine nine thousand dollars under their mattress like look that's the plan he whatever i'm not oh my god no that's i i feel like i didn't get it that that's what i thought

until you said that and i'm like oh he literally thinks that that money is there because i understand telling somebody that in the conversation you know this is like and this is like pre zillow but now that we have zillow you could have figured that out you know like it tells you how much money people make so i know how much money you made from the sale of your house but yeah i don't assume that you have that cash in your car like i assume that that money is in a bank yeah i was um this goes back to the elitism thing i was like are bank accounts a rich person only commodity they there are definitely a lot of people especially in like probably in like more poor areas and big cities who are unbanked which means they don't have a bank and they don't

because they don't they just like never had one they don't have an available available one or they do everything in cash or whatever but there are there are a fair amount of unbanked people remember they don't how many this is a silent portion of our podcast approximately 5.9 million people are unbanked so that's 4.5% of us households don't have banked at all yeah i would assume that that has something to do with like what's that term redlining where like you weren't allowed to like certain cities were set up in a way that they were like deliberately forced by into definitely and they wouldn't they also don't have post offices and have grocery stores they don't have banks really but this guy's white like I don't like I mean you

see his picture like I don't know I mean he should I mean he just didn't seem very smart yeah and also the other thing I wrote here like again like the elitism part of it is like Michael came up so later we'll explain this later on so Wade the friend that they were visiting in Jacksonville and then Wade's friend Nixon we're also in on this plan to rob this elderly couple, they kind of put all this together on their own. I wrote here, I was like, I don't, I don't, like, my friends are like you, Taylor, like, I don't. Right. If I was like, hey, let's go fucking knock over a feeble elderly couple, like, who do I ask that of?

Like, I have no friends to do that with. This guy just tripping over them. The first guy he sees after devised this plan, fucking Wade, and then Wade's like, hey, not only am I down. my buddy Nixon is also like super chill with this idea like again I don't have these thoughts in my mind but like it's just interesting that this guy just trips over three willing participants yeah a minute after comes of this plan it's definitely a different circle than your circle did you ever watch the good place yeah remember how the one guy from Jacksonville he died because he was trying to rob a store and they put him inside a safe to put in the store but he brought a snorkel so he could breathe but they didn't have anywhere to put the snorkel out, so he suffocated. I don't remember that. And that's how he died, because him and his friends are trying to rob something, and they were trying to sneak him in.

That is a Jacksonville death, I will say that. Yeah, just reminded me. So, yeah, I guess I need to... I feel like there's a portion of, like, how do you... He obviously, like, there... It's a... I don't think that Michael Jackson came from a place where he, like, had a lot of, like, access to education. It sounds like, you know, and that can be, like, part of the tragedy, too.

if you're like pump with these ideas like aren't very good there's literally no way in hell i can look at these pictures and look at that disgusting chin strap fucking ginger beard and oh so also 2005 stop trying to make excuses for this guy i'm making excuses well i know i'm just okay be fine what listen to what they did to this couple and no i they're terrible people i'm not i'm not making excuses for all the terribleness okay so at this stage so we got our four participants in this. We have Tiffany, Michael, Wade, and Nixon. So this is when the planning gets involved with this party of four. So part of the planning here will basically give away the end results, but I'll try to maintain some suspense here. Okay. Nixon was 18

of this time. Actually, Wade was also 18 of this time. Tiffany and Michael were the same age. They were both like 23, 24. So Nixon's job was to steal four shovels, not buy. steal tiffany was responsible for renting a car which i don't even get like how would renting a car under your own name in driver's license obfuscate anything i don't i didn't see with the logic of it was just as good to drive her car that the summer sold her than to rent one right then the four of them went to find a remote location in georgia right across the floor to border and dig a giant hole basically this part of uh the country is terrifying it is so hot it's so humid it's so full of mosquitoes and animals that you hear in the distance that you don't want to come across it is terrifying

oh my god like alligators and snakes yeah like in a moonless night like there's nothing like you see nothing it is just swamp so anyways they go to this location they start digging the hole the hole itself is four feet deep and six feet along all four sides of it okay so that's the dimensions that we're talking about here which like couldn't have been easy right like that's a pretty damn big hole i've been planting flowers and doing like well i'm also on like pure sand but it's hard yeah yeah yeah it's part of where i was like this had to take so long and you're like thinking to yourself like what's coming next like it's already been devised and There's no, I don't know, Michael must have been just a complete charmer,

just convince these folks to do this. So we're a month from when Tiffany and Michael first visited the Summers. So we're in July now. Mm-hmm. I'm going to get into the crime now, and I want to replace that, or preface that by asking you to, oh, you already did, no mind. This is a part of the podcast. I'm going to ask you to look up the summers and tell me what you think, but you did.

And, yeah, yeah. And I think that that's also like, why, why wouldn't you talk? is like let your neighbor kids stay at your house i would totally do that like if any of the kids i know in town right now in 10 years were like oh i'm back in town i'd be like oh my god stay here like i would never i just wouldn't think you know yeah i mean that was that's the part of the predation that tiffany brings this equation that makes it particularly awful what ends up happening to them because she didn't know michael or wait or the summers didn't know michael or way to any of these guys like it was Tiffany who knew them and like brought this gaggle of morons into their lives man so on july

eighth of 2005 the foursome drove to the Sumner's house and tiffany and michael parked outside while nixon and wade went up to that house they knocked on the door and asked they could use her phone carol let her in despite being strangers she just saw two lost 18 year olds and wanted to help because that's the kind of person she was you just don't think that is this bad yeah uh one Once inside, Wade tore the phone cord from the wall, and Nixon held Carol and Reggie at gunpoint, put him in the bathroom, and then ductate them so that they were bound. Wade used a walkie-talkie to tell Michael that they were tied up, and he made his way to the house. While this was going on, apparently Tiffany drove the rental car around, so it wasn't weird to just have someone sitting outside in the rental car. The three guys ransacked the house looking for money, valuables, anything.

$90,000 in cash. Carol and Reggie were then taken to their garage and put into the trunk of the Lincoln town car they owned. They're bound up still. Wade and Nixon drove the town car while Michael and Tiffany got in the rented car and started driving out to the place in Georgia where they dug the hole.

Why? That's the thing. Don't kill people. Do not kill people. That makes no sense. like they could have just like left okay because you know what it is taylor it's because all these people think that they're not going to get caught but it's like you're going to get caught cell phones we have towers we have cameras we have people who care about people who like will

call and look into things and like anyways so they then took carl and reggie from the lincoln town car and put them in the holy dug alive and started shoveling dirt on top of them. What? Yeah. Okay. I just, when I was, you know, like, the joke is, like, when you were little, you thought that, like, quicksand and the Bermuda triangle were going to be big problems, and, like,

they're not big problems. But I remember just being so fucking scared of being buried alive. And there was, like, some, like, made for TV movie, maybe that, like, happened when I was a kid. Like, they buried a girl alive and, like, whatever. I was just, like, it was just, like, it's, like, my biggest fear. So awful. Yeah, I wouldn't.

I mean, rightfully so, I think. Yeah, yeah, this would remind me of that, do you remember the scene in Casino where they beat Joe Pesci and his brother with baseball bats in the cornfield and throw them alive into the hole? It was basically that, like, except they didn't beat them. They were able, they were, well, they were old and feeble, so they couldn't really protect themselves, but they were just sitting in that, this hole. They were duct tapes.

or duct tape. Fuck. So, spoiler alert, when the bodies were eventually found, they, and when they were found,

it was discovered that there was dirt clogging their airways. Right. They drowned in dirt. They literally died of being buried alive. I'm like,

that's just awful. Yeah. I can't imagine how scary and awful because like, yeah. You see your wife is next to you. I know. It's like, oh, God. So bad. So sad. Yeah, apparently Michael had originally

devised a scheme where he was going to inject them with medication to kill them first. What was Michael? He has no idea how to do that. Where was he going to inject? First off, does he know how to, like, where, does he know what blood vessels are? He doesn't know what bank accounts or does he even know where to find a blood vessel. What do you know what to point to? Like, this is not the guy. He just watched a bunch of movies and then like oh just like you deck them with something you don't know what that is like what could that even possibly be yeah but i mean look they had shovels like hit them in the head like anything anything is better than consciously being grown into a whole bound that you can't escape you're gonna kill them anyway like you have a little bit of like have a little bit of

humanity while you're murdering this couple you assels yeah because i also keep picturing it like actually close my eyes and picture it and look at it from their perspective like not the Summers perspective from the killer's perspective where it's like you're 18 and you have this couple in this hole and you're just like shoveling in this like moonless night like it's just crazy like anyways that's terrible so fast-pourning a couple of days after this event um the summer's daughter reported her parents missing to the police and only four days after the home invasion and murder police started noticing that some sums of money were being withdrawn from the summer's account so I guess they finally did realize that money wasn't kept you know

in the house and apparently like they went and found like i don't know bank information so kudos them for that to evade capture and any suspicion that something was going on michael called the police as reggie saying like oh we're fine like we're just out of town for a little bit like it's like he didn't call the daughter because he didn't have the daughter's info he called the and she would know you know i would know if like it wasn't my dad it was an 18 year old being like i'm fine like i don't know what the fuck did he do you imagine what this guy's voice sounds like i want to get so bad he's like this specific type of douchebag that i particularly have disdain for again look at this guy's pictures anyways uh apparently then they said they want to talk to carroll and so

michael handed the phone to tiffany and tiffany pretended to be carroll so that was their that was their game plan that's awful the police were obviously suspiciously this does not sound like a 60 something year old couple like this is obviously kids so they use a cell tower thing the peeing concept to triangulate where this call was being originated from uh they also bounced the number that was called in from off rental car companies and discovered that Tiffany had rented a car for like during this time period so the police assess that okay it's going to be from like this region of the city because cell tower data isn't precise right it just gives you a rough approximation so police drive around they know what the car is that she rented and then they

look for that in in this area and they find find them so they were all hold up in a hotel while michael michael wade and tiffany were hold up in a hotel and there they found all the summers info like the shit that they sold from their house basically so obviously they had enough at this point to arrest them nixon was the only one with the decency to plead guilty again he was only 18 and really like the least involved in any of this way just sort of dragged him into it michael and wade were found guilty of two counts of first remurder and given two death penalty death sentences each tiffany was convicted of four counts of first remurter two counts of kidnapping and two counts of robbery and she also got two death sentences but they tacked on

stuff too right it's like 15 years for the kidnapping it was like who cares you got the death sentence like it doesn't matter right so i went down a bit of a legal procedural rabbit hole here because the death penalty in general just fascinates me and the cases are really really interesting so in death penalty cases there are mitigating and aggravating circumstances when deciding on the appropriate punishment for example a mitigating circumstance could be hey here's history of emotional and sexual abuse this person was on the tail end of growing up maybe factor that in when you decide how bad a person he turned out to be or an aggravating circumstance can be things like the manner of death or your previous charges or like other elements

that are like this makes it so much worse really you you counter these two right mitigating versus aggravating decide whether or not a death sense makes sense and i remember this from from living in florida at the time when this case was going on to ford was one of the few states where you did not need a unanimous vote for death, you need a majority vote for death. Yeah. So, very unique. On the, on the aggravating circumstance when it comes to a manner of death that they look at, there's a concept called hack, H-A-C, which stands for heinous, atrocious, or cruel factors. So, again, because this is a law, all these things get further defined. So heinous literally means, in this, within the legal framework, means extremely wicked or shockingly evil,

atrocious means outrageously wicked and vile and cruel means pitiless designed to inflict a high degree of pain or utter indifference to or the enjoyment of the suffering of others so because of the manner of death that happened to the Summers

Tiffany Case obviously qualified for hack aggravators because it was just an insanely cruel way to kill somebody basically yeah Tiffany on appeal said that the hack aggravators were incorrectly applied to her case because she didn't have actual knowledge of how the team, the three other guys, were going to kill the Summers. She didn't, she was like, yeah, I brought it, I made all this happen because I

brought them to the Summers, but I didn't know this is what they're going to do. The appellate court agree with Tiffany's argument because nobody could prove she designed or had any hand in how the summoners were killed. But the court also concluded that if the hack aggravators were struck, it wouldn't change any, it wouldn't make a difference. She'd still, like, it wouldn't, like, because apparently she, I went, when read her, um, the, uh, appeals motion followed by her lawyers, and Tiffany had seven aggravators, hack was only one of them. So the other aggravators that she had were having previously convicted, being convicted of another capital felony because legally like one, one die, they didn't die at the same time because like you can't

prove any of that. So like because one was after the other, it's sequential order. She was already convicted of a capital felony, even though it was the same murder, right? Oh my God. The murders were committed in the course of a kidnapping, which she did get 15 years for. So though she was convicted of that. The capital felonies were committed in a cold, calculated, and premedical. meditated manner. Definitely that. They were committed for financial gain, definitely that. They were committed to avoid or prevent a lawful arrest because the assumption was we'll kill them and then nobody will know we did this, right? And the one I mentioned to you before, the very top of this was the victims were particularly vulnerable, vulnerable due to advanced age or

disability. So that's a big aggravator right there. It's like you took advantage of the weakest of society like you deserve the worst of society what are um what are these pictures of them like in a limo drinking champagne was that after they yeah that was after this yeah yeah such garbage humans like he just very two people alive and you're like oh here i'm in a limo drinking champagne like being part of myself fuck you oh my god they're like holding cash in this limo yeah she has she she's holding cash in her teeth and michael's flashing a champagne it's like what you did to these people is just fucking yeah reprehensible wow you're so proud of yourself i know look how proud of themselves they are yikes yikes anyways just looking at this guy's picture

makes me so fucking angry this is a terrible story this is terrible there's a part of me that like maybe i'm so prejudiced towards the guy and i hate him so much that it's clouding my judgment I mean, would any girl get fooled by this guy that, like, he's going to come up with a plan? Like that, like, it's the, it's the, like, I feel like the whatever, like he's just like a certain type of guy in 2005. Like, that's not, that's not it. I think the plan thing is like, yeah, nobody you know is a mastermind criminal. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Especially not this guy. And you're not going to just stumble on them. Like, you're going to recruit a team like Ocean's 11, right? Like, you have to go find. these people in Paris and Italy. They've done it before and they've never been caught before. You're not going to stumble on, you know, this peer group in Jacksonville anyways. So long story short, so the, the fact that the appellate court reason that, look, we'll strike the hack, but you already, you have six other aggravators that on their own would never made a difference to your case.

Like we would have, you still would be here. So we strike one of your aggravators. so legally she won that argument but they reaffirmed the sentence and the conviction so she's still on death row wow yeah yeah all three of them nixon's the only one who kind of got out of it because he was just a stupid kid and didn't just listen to like he was already the momentum was already in motion with or without him so that's why they kind of um yeah i'm still looking these pictures of a couple they're so sweet looking poor things they just were like normal people who trusted their neighbor because why wouldn't you and then this oh that picture of her in that great

jumpsuit with the with the um corn rose it like yeah she looks like weirdly sinister in that one yeah that one's a lot anyways that's my storyteller it sucks it's awful but yeah they only killed how so when how do they find them like obviously like it was really easy but what was it like yeah they yeah they went to the hotel because they try to live because because They knew when they called the police to say, y'all are looking for us, we're fine. But it's like this guy calling you. Like, he doesn't sound, yeah,

he doesn't sound like a 65-year-old man who's probably chain smoke his entire life. Like, and then Carol is just Tiffany on the phone. Like, of course, it just, they're probably giggling to each other while they're doing this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, totally. They totally are.

They're so proud of themselves. Like, oh, my God, we're so smart. I can't believe we're going to get away with us, all this money that we stole. They've tried to do limo. It's so dumb. oh my god i just realized that michael has a neck tattoo oh man and he's wearing a he's wearing a ruby in gold pinkie ring why would you look that is really funny

dating advice by far is literally just look at this guy and if the guy you're with gives you any of the same same vibes like get away from them that's fair that's fair and you're not dating a criminal mastermind they're so hard to find They're so hard to find. They're incredibly hard to find. Because of criminal masterminds. Yeah. They don't need your help.

It's like when, what you tell children about strangers, as you say, like, a grown-up will never need a child's help. So if a grown-up comes to you and says, like, how do I get here? Like, be weary because grown-ups don't need help from children. Like, that's how people kidnap children. It's the same thing. Criminal mastermind doesn't need your help. Yeah. You know, like, they have their own network.

It's not you. they're not going to call you it would ask you for things i feel like this was like totally unrelated but like there's a story of like this guy in ireland who had convinced all these people that he was like a big like spy at all these things and he did all these weird things for him because he just like believed him but you're like he wouldn't be there he wouldn't be in your small town it's not where criminal masterminds are yeah you know a part of me thinks that like if this didn't happen if michael and tiffany hadn't met Tiffany probably wouldn't have gone this route. But I think that Michael would have. I think Michael was just like such a piece of

garbage that like he he'd be in jail right now anyways. Like you know a lot of that self confidence. Yeah. Yes. When your confidence doesn't match your wit and intelligence, you are fucked. Yeah. That's just always how it's going to go. And Michael, I don't know. I mean, it also describes like Elon Musk. Elon Musk is a billionaire a hundred times over... But he has a lot of self-confidence and makes a lot of weird decisions. How are you classifying this guy and Elon Musk in the same breath? I don't know.

What would Elon Musk be like if he had to poor? Maybe this guy. No, Elon Musk is a genius. This guy probably doesn't even know how to tie his shoes. What would this guy be like if he was rich? He couldn't get rich because he's too stupid-looking. No, Elon Musk isn't rich because he was rich because he was rich. from the beginning.

That wasn't. He started the PayPal Mafia with Peter Thiel and all those guys. No, he was the CEO. He's the heir of an emerald mine in Africa. That's not how he got rich. He got rich because he invented him and Peter Thiel invented PayPal. But he started off a lot higher than this guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then most knew what a bank account was. He probably knew what a bank account was. He probably knew that you shouldn't eat roadkill unlike this guy. So that's true. Yeah, you got me there. It's a little bit of a different level. Yeah. Yikes. Yeah, no, this guy sucks.

I know I didn't kill anybody else. I wonder what he's, I'm going to, I'm going to look up to what this guy's been up to. He's so hard to find. It's like impossible to find. That's a pretty great. That part's pretty great. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, parents who named me Michael Jackson for fuck sake. Yeah, oh, fuck this kid. We don't want them anyways. Like you didn't know by SEO when he was born, but still. Yeah, he's going to grow up to have a chin strap, a neck tattoo, and a row. ruby gold oh god pinky rings so

also imagine what your life is like every time you go somewhere and they say what's your name and you have to say Michael Jackson I don't know ma'am my name was Farmer Soken Sange he had it easier than me no uh uh huh

having a name Michael Jackson I think it's harder than Farmer Soken Sange you think which is the number one baby name in America I just looked it up Farmer Soken Sangeros Number one baby name coming to

Oh my God she's wearing a shirt that says diva in the back of this limousine that's also for 2005 I'm a little bit of a 2005 apologist because it wasn't great for everyone looked great

you were going out of your way to find reasons to defend these monsters I'm just trying to counteract your stereotyping I'm saying everyone dressed terrible in 2005 so my stereotyping is a problem here is what you're saying

yes I'm trying to be a little more PC on our podcast okay it's like we've been frowning so much the past hour I feel like would you look

so eyes on my face to get my face to look normal again so I've just been so mad and sad I hope I don't have nightmares not being buried alive tonight it is the ultimate nightmare there's like literally nothing worse

I can't think of anything you could do someone worse and binding them and throwing them alive into a pit on the Georgia Florida border.

That sounds exactly where people are buried alive. Like it is so bad. Okay, that stereotype I laugh at because yes. Oh, that's awful. I'm so sad. God, I hate this guy.

I got something in this picture. I'm gonna hear you. Okay. Taylor, that's my story for the week. And that's why, like I mentioned, our drink of the day was drinking fucking raw sewage water because that's what these humans were.

So. Oh, I have champagne glasses in a limo that you rented. I just saw your text from last night about starting later, but I was already asleep. Oh, it's fine. It's fun. I thought I was going to take a lot more for me to wake up this morning than I really did. I've been up since like 7 a.m. my time. Oh, good for you. Good for you. Cool. Well, thank you, Fars. Thank you everyone who's listening. Find us on social at Doom to Fail Pod. We're on YouTube. For reviewing on Apple Podcasts, you have to download the podcast app on like your iPhone or your Mac.

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Well, thank you, Taylor. Have a great rest of your Saturday. And thanks everyone for us.