Doomed to Fail - Ep 17: Griffith J Griffith and Scott Peterson - Successful vs Unsuccessful Wife Killers

Episode Date: April 24, 2023

Super successful mining guy & Los Angeles philanthropist Griffith J Griffith tried to kill his wife and failed. Super loser Scott Peterson did succeed in killing his wife (probably we’re at like 95%), but look where that got him! (it’s jail, forever). 90 years apart, these two both ended up in San Quentin for their crimes. Join us today for the crazy story of the man who donated the land for Griffith Park to the city of Los Angeles. It’s a story about being successful but not being famous, and what that can do to a man who craves attention. Super douche canoe Scott Peterson was this close to being a professional golfer, messed it up, got married young, was a terrible husband, and when his pregnant wife disappeared, he did approx 98754938 shady things. What do you think? Did Scott kill Laci?Follow us on Instagram & Facebook @ Twitter!  @doomedtofailpodhttps://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpodYoutube - https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpodScott and Laci via Hulu & YahooAll other images in the public domain Some Sourceshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griffith_J._Griffithhttps://www.findagrave.com/memorial/21430502/vandell-morgan-griffithStuff you missed in History Classhttps://www.happyscribe.com/public/stuff-you-missed-in-history-class/griffith-j Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

In the matter of the people of the state of California, first is Hortonthal James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country. Welcome to Goom to Fail, the podcast where we always have allergies. I'm Fars. I'm joined here by my co-hosts Taylor. Hi, Taylor. Hello. I'm taking an allergy pill right now. I know. Taylor looks like she's having allergy situations going on. And I also have allergy situations going on. And we also got a chance to hang out for the first time in since January, right? Yeah. When you were in Austin. Yeah. Yeah. So it was pretty cool. It was very fun. We went to a nice steakhouse in La Quinta and my daughter was sick, but my son came and he

had a great time. Yeah. Gave him some business cards. He loves them. And it has the most The restaurant that we went to the steakhouse we went to is called LG's Prime Steakhouse. And LG is the name of the, or the initials of the founder who has long since passed. I think he passed in 2008. But they had this adorable pic painting of him in the lobby. It's like a, it's like a,

I would give it like a romantic kind of vibe. Like it's like a modern, edgy looking steakhouse. Like it's a nice steakhouse, you know? Yeah. But then there's this one painting of this very, very feeble-looking old man wearing a Christmas sweater of some kind.

It's definitely a Bill Cosby sweater, you know. It's definitely a Bill Cosby sweater. Yeah. Different, different ramifications back then, but yeah. Back when that was okay. It stands out. It is a painting that stands out amongst the modern artwork they have there. So it was fun, though.

Yeah, very, very fun. And now we're back home. I'm in Austin. You're in Joshua Tree and you're about to leave again for L.A., right? Yep. I'm going to leave a little bit after this. I haven't even packed yet, but I'll get to it. I'll get to it.

I wanted to tell you yesterday. was like in my one-on-one with my boss and Florence is sick my daughter and I've said that and so she's sitting up the bed in my office and she's sitting next to me and I heard this voice like a weird voice and I was like what is that I looked over and she was listening to our podcast on YouTube and I was like ah and I like screamed her name and I was like hold on I had to like mute myself and be like Florence that's not for you and she was like I didn't hear any bad words and I was like let's just not that's not for you is our podcast not child appropriate not child appropriate no okay do we need to put a disclaimer on no it literally it says we have an explicit next all of our next to everything it is a big e oh okay so like you know that's like parents discretion yeah yeah and your discretion is it's definitely not appropriate for flow at this age okay yes she's eight i'm going to say not for eight year olds make sense makes sense make sense so let's go ahead and dive right in so if i am doing my math correctly you go first yes so i'll describe what i'm drinking and then you can segue into yours okay so mine is a

beer that i discovered while i was living in l.a that i absolutely love i keep drinking it it is shocking how many calories were in this beer but it is so well worth it it it is a sierra nevada i pa i'm gonna hold it up in camera so you can see what it looks like wait hold on let me let me let me screenshot you a minute too okay did you i didn't do it no oh my god so sorry right Okay, continue. If I remember, so I looked this up when I first fell in love with it and was like, I wonder, I mean, this feels so filling. I wonder why it was like 360 calories or something.

It was some. What in a can? Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. It was, I need to look it up again just to make sure I didn't go a fact check on that, but it was, it's delicious.

And because my story is going to take place in California, I wanted to have a Californian beer to reminisce about the upbeat story. I will be telling later on. Mine's in California, too. Okay. So also, when me and Taylor were at this steakhouse this week, I asked Taylor what her topic was on, and she is truly committed because she was like, I'm not telling you. To my face, I was like, I'm not telling you.

So that's how close to the chess we play these. So I did not know that your story was in California. I'm hoping this is not that we don't have the same one because I'm tiptoeing into true crime, smidge, but from a long time ago, was yours in the 1800s? No. great then where it's all set um yes so i'm drinking well this story has a lot of whiskey in it so i'm just going to drink like a pint glass of whiskey for this one which is not great don't do that so um i'll just go ahead and get started so like we said later today i'm driving to l a for work

so i decided to take it back to the place that we lived in when we lived there and talk about los phila's the neighborhood and i'm saying los feelas because I lived there for eight years, but I know you could also say Los Feliz, whatever. We'll, I'll teeter back and forth. And specifically, the history of the man who donated the land to make Los Felas, Silver Lake, and Griffith Park. So this is a story of Griffith, Jay Griffith, and his wife, Tina Massimer Griffith. That is really exciting. I, okay, so yeah, Taylor kind of teed this up.

So we both lived in L.A. That's how we met each other was through a company worked at in L.A., and we lived really close to each other for most of that time. Because if you remember my first apartment, your friend is the one who hooked me up with it. Do you remember that? Yeah, that was Nicole. That was, wait, that's the DTF Nicole. Yeah. Okay, so she knew the guy who was wanting to sub lease and I went through them. So that was Los Feliz, Los Feliz. So that was Los Feliz. So that was what I'm going to go back and forth. Yeah. And then after that I moved into the apartment that I had in like Hollywood, which is like, which is right on the cusp of. So we were always kind of just like really close to each other. So like we're very familiar with this area. The shark house, the Joss House is right there. Yeah. So exciting. Okay. Yeah. It's a great neighborhood. I'm going to talk about that in a little bit, too, because we'll get some history of the area and a little bit more about it. Do you want to trigger warning that there is some domestic violence that's going to happen in a little bit? So we'll get to that. But Griffith J. Griffith was born in Wales on January 4th, 1850.

I have no idea why anyone would ever name a child that. Like, are you going to name a child, Sokensange, F. Sokensh. That makes no sense. J. Griffith, J. Griffith. Yeah. It kind of worked. I mean, it depends on what kind of personality type he was, but it could work. Yeah. I mean, the J. Sands for Jenkins, FYI. But Griffith, J. Griffith. His family immigrated to the United States in 1865 and settled in Pennsylvania. And eventually he moved west to San Francisco. So his upgrimbing in Wales was very poor. He was always embarrassed by this. So he kind of wanted to have his own American dream. He always wanted to be part of high society. That's something that we'll talk about later. So he really had this, like, social climbing thing in the back of his head. While he was in San Francisco, he started working for the newspaper, and he wrote stories on the mining industry. So it was like gold rush, mining time in California, and he learned a lot about it. So basically, he was able to flip the knowledge that he got from being a journalist to being sort of like a mining consultant. And that's how he made his fortune. So at 30 years old, he made a shit ton of money being a mining consultant in California.

So he's rich. pretty quickly good for him yeah so in 1882 Griffith moved to Los Angeles and purchased approximately 4,000 acres of the rancho los felice Mexican land grant so this is the fun part that I'm going to tell you about the history of it you said 400 right 4,000 4,000 yeah 4,000 acres of the yeah so this is the fun part we're in the history of that area so a land grant is an offering of the sale of land to a specific person or type of person like a veteran or a rich person for a certain reason or just someone who's willing to farm the land like homesteading so it's land that they have like reserve for a specific person so California that includes like the Baja California and part of Mexico was obviously like

native man native land for hundreds of thousands of years and I know I mentioned on on social media like a resume like 90 something percent of human history isn't recorded so there's so much stuff that happened in California that we will never know about you mentioned last week about South America having such a rich culture, and we don't know anything about it because, you know, it was colonized. I read something this week that was like Spanish colonizers would go and see these beautiful cities. And then the next guy who went a couple years later, they'd be gone because everybody was dead because of all those diseases. So real shitty that we don't know more about it. But the land in California is often, was often given to Spanish missions and religious

institutions. There's a lot of like missions in like San Diego, those beautiful like old buildings. do you know what I'm talking about like a mission yeah I mean the Alamo I'm being in Texas the Alamo was a mission like that's what the in the facade resembles one so exactly exactly so eventually does get more secular it opens up to more people so at different times land that is California now belongs to different people so there's the Spanish rule was 1769 to 1821 the Mexican era was 1821 1846 then there was the Mexican American War and started in May 186 1846, James K. Polk was the president. He was the 11th president and responsible for the most land grabs of all presidents. So with the Mexican-American War and some treaties, he expanded the country by like 1.5 million square miles, like a crazy amount, all of California and a big part of the East. So with the treaty of Guadalupe Hildago, ending the Mexican War on February 2, 1848, so that war was just two years long, California became a territory. of the United States. And then between 1847, 1849, California was run by the military.

And there was a government that was kind of stated in 1849. So after 10 months of being its own kind of government, California was admitted to the union as a 31st state by the Congress as part of the compromise of 1850 on September 9th, 1850. So some California history, how we got here. And this is, so about 30 years later after this tech. Can I interject real quick? Yeah. So that means that California. as a state has only existed for 170 years yeah is that wild there are cultures like there's like ruins in egypt that are 30,000 years old and as a state California that's weird too much yeah we're to think yeah timelines are crazy like I

even like am I look at the timeline that I made of this is episode 17 so much of it leans towards like even like 1500 to now that's what we know about and then I know a little bit about up to like maybe zero and a couple of things below that but like really we don't there's so much we don't know it's crazy most of human history yeah so in 1882 griffiths gets rancho los felice and then this is where i also have a weird shameful confession so susie isard is a comedian that i love and she had a bit where she was like oh we're on lafayette street she's at a club on lafayette street in new york city and she goes you know what that means right americans like you know about lafayette And I literally, at the time I was watching this, like on a DVD, I lived in a building called Lafayette, and I did not know about Lafayette.

Like, I didn't know about the... I still don't know. He was like a French general who came to America, was really, really good friends with George Washington. In Hamilton, he's in Hamilton. They call him the Lancelot of the revolutionary set. He was like, French, he went back and was involved in getting Marie Antoinette, overthrown. So, so super part of, big part of American history. So now that I know more, I literally have like a plate that I found at the thrister.

wall that's like Lafayette and Washington inspecting the troops of Valley Forge. So like, I know more now. I wish I knew even more. I know who he is. And I was like, I'm so embarrassed about this. Like I need to like learn more and it kind of like clicked for me. And then it hadn't clicked yet that my passion was like being mad at the way we learned history, but I was embarrassed. And then I also just remembered that the L and L. Ron Hubbard stands for Lafayette. Did you know that? No way. Yeah. I thought it was literally just E. L. It was just an L. Lafayette, Ron. Hubbard. That name does not flow. Yeah. Anyway,

I fucking did it again. Like, I live in Los Felas and didn't know the history of it. So, super embarrassed. I'm the worst. I'm an asshole. It's my thing. So Rancho Los Feliz was 6,647 acres. It was given in 1795 by Spanish Governor Pedro Fais to Jose Vincente

Feliz. Like, it was, that's named after a person. He was a member of the 1775 to 1776 Onsa Expedition. I brought the first Spanish settlers to California. In 1781, he was one of the four soldiers who guarded the settlers. They founded the settlement. El Pueblo de Neuestra, Signora La Reina de Los Angeles,

which means the town of Our Lady, the Queen of Angels, which literally became Los Angeles. Oh, wow. So, like, what? So Jose Vicente Feliz was one of, like, the founding fathers of Los Angeles. And then he had this ranch called the Los Villas Ranch. Okay, so I'm mixing with a chronology. It sounds like the land grant was for Los Feliz territory.

Yeah, that was later. That happened later. So Los Angeles was founded first. Mm-hmm. Okay. Yes, yes. So Los Angeles was on first. So I kind of skipped around a little bit.

But anyway, so this is more about the land that Griffith ends up getting. So the land remained in the Los Feliz family until the 1800s when they sold it. And then Griffith got 4,000 acres of it in 1882. So that's how we're here. I know I said this already, but like, I fucking love it there. I know we've talked, we just talked about it. I love where I live. Like, this is where I live in Joshua, which is where I love it here.

But I loved living in New York City. That was amazing. It would be a dream to have an apartment there that was like nice. But my absolute dream house would be in like the hills of Los Phila. Like I, it's so beautiful. There's that murder house. There's the Frank Lloyd Wright house that was used in Vincent Price's House and Haunted Hill and in an S Club 7 video. And there's one by his son, that Shark House, where the Black Dahlia may have been murdered.

That one's so cool. And when I had both of my kids, I got like, you know, three months off with them. And we would just go on walks through those hills about those, like, beautiful houses. I listened to a lot of Karina Longworth's haunted Hollywood. So, you know, I would just like, I love this I read. It's so pretty. So it's so charming. It's so lush.

It's so green. It feels weirdly private, given the fact that it's a part of Los Angeles. You are a street away from some of the best. hiking trails mountainous regions possible it's overall i guess our hills technically but still absolutely gorgeous in griffith park and then little doms was like my favorite favorite restaurant it is so old-timey classic italian i went there the day the day that prince died i went i had dinner with friends there and they had like a purple cocktail you could buy it was very sweet yeah they have a wonderful zoo the la zoo is in that area now it's great my kids

love that zoo. There's that terrifying old zoo. Do you ever look at that? Yeah, because that's where the haunted hayride always was. It went through the old zoo, remember? And it was like, the haunted hayride. I loved the haunted hayride. Yeah. I totally forgot about that. That was so fun. We did that a couple times. Yeah, the zoo has like really small enclosures because it was like, yeah, it was like the zoo before they had like animal rights. So you can be, you can go visit it and like sit in the enclosures, which is crazy. Also, you remember Florence had her birthday party there. We were that bouncy house and the barousel. So the carousel was actually, built in San Diego, but it was moved there in 1937. So do stuff for it. So there's a lot of cool

stuff there. It's a dream. So now it belongs to 1880s. It belongs to Griffith, Jay Griffith. And he wants to be very popular in LA society. He's rich. He wants to, you know, be the guy. But people think he's annoying. They're a little bit like he's new money. He's kind of like, I don't know, like they don't love him. So he's having a hard time like getting into these circles. So in comes the Massmer family of California. They are from, France, like the Alsace Lorraine area, which is where my people are from, between France and Germany. The patriarch was Louis Messmer. He was another founding father of L.A. You can say something like that. He was, he laid the first sidewalk. He built hotels. So another like prominent man

in Los Angeles. So L.A. was indigenous and Spanish, then had the ranchos, and now, then it was American. Then it was like a post-World War II boom. And then now it is now. But this is sort of the American part and Louis Messmers in the top ranks. He has a daughter named Mary Agnes Christina Messmer. Her name is Tina. She was born February 29, 1864. So Tina, you know, grew up in Los Angeles. She had money from her parents, but she actually had her own fortune because they had a family friend, Andre Spritz Walter, and he left her money in his will. So she's independently wealthy as well. For what is worth, she was Catholic and Griffith was Protestant. So I wrote a Hell as old as time. Obviously, that's going to be a thing. Yes. Yes. The capulets and the Montague's. Yeah. So there are rumors that some of her family and friends were like, this dude's new money. He's kind of annoying. Like he really wants to be rich. Everyone can tell. Like, I don't know if he's like the one for you. But Tina marries him anyway. So Griffith and Tina get married. They have one son. His name is Vandal. He will eventually be on the police commission in L.A. So he does pretty well for himself. There isn't a lot about him. But find a grave says that he ran away from home at

certain points, which I think is fair, because you can't find a way. I'm sorry. What were you referencing just there? Find a grave. What does that mean? It's like a website where you can, well, this is, that's a place that had saw information about him, but you can go to find a grave.com and put in like anyone who was a grave and they'll tell you where it is.

Or I guess probably maybe not anyone, but like, you know, see, ball. Wow. I've never heard of this. Oh my God. Aaron Morin died on this day in 2017. she played um oh my god ron howard's sister and um joan joanie joanie joanie in happy days yeah in happy days joanie yeah it's on the website i don't know why i'm whatever you can spend a lot time i find a grave apparently do that later yeah so tina and griffith are married they're doing

rich people shit in los angeles the mining is essentially passive income so just have a lot of money december 16th 1896 griffith and his wife tina gave three thousand 15 acres of the Rancho Los Felice to the city of Los Angeles for use as a public park. He called their Christmas present, and after accepting the donation, the city passed an ordinance to name the property after him. So that's why it's called Griffith Park. You also can see a, there's a statue of him still outside of it as well. Yeah, I remember. So here's what he said about it, quote, it must be made a place of rest and relaxation for the masses, a resort for the rank and file for the plain people. I consider it my obligation to make Los Angeles a happy, cleaner, and finer city. I wish to pay my debt of duty in this way to the community in which I have prospered.

That's great. I love it. Thank you. I'm definitely a plain person and I loved it. Yeah. So it's beautiful. Yeah, it's great. And he also put in the stipulations that, like, if they ever tried to make it into anything else besides the park,

that his family could take it back. So, like, he really wanted to keep in a park, which is great. But it's still a park. So even all this has happened, he still doesn't feel as popular as like he wants to feel and that's sort of like one of the red flags is he just like needs a social status like more than normal people even though he has the money he wants the fame and now he doesn't feel like he's being like treated the right way after giving all this land so he starts to kind of go insane like he starts to get really really paranoid and mostly it's because he starts drinking probably comes a

big part of it so he drinks like just so much whiskey every day and is like thinks people are trying to poison him he thinks people are trying to kill him he thinks the pope wants to kill him he thinks his family wants to kill him he's just like having all these paranoid delusions and he's in like a really terrible place and i'm sure he's just like jocelyn around the giant empty cavernous living room as well yes exactly so he's like living in a mansion you know and just like thinking that everybody's out to get him it's definitely like a nightmare in that house because he's like yelling and accusing everybody of everything you know he's probably just be happy being rich i know you don't be famous sounds kind of annoying just like so many famous people say like i miss the moment when i

could just go get like a coffee in public yeah yeah i really like staring at you totally but he still wants it that's his thing in september 3rd 1903 so vandal their son is 15 they've been married for a while they are vacationing in santa monica at the arcadia hotel which doesn't exist anymore but they're in santa monica like on vacation tina was alone in the room when griff came in with a loaded gun and he's definitely drunk definitely like losing his mind. He made her get on her knees and he had a note card with some questions written down, like pre-written down. And he asked him to her. He said, he asked her if she had been involved in killing Andre Brits, the person that she had inherited the money from. And she was like,

no, of course not. I would never have done that. Like if she asked her, he asked her if he had poisoned him. She was like, no. He asked her if she had been poisoning him. And she was like, no, I would never hurt you. Like, of course I haven't been doing that. During this, she's praying because he's like got a gunpointed at her head and then he asked her if she'd been faithful and she said yes of course i've been faithful and then he shoots her in the head and she does not die the bullet hit her eye socket shattered a part of the bone and then part of the bone and the bullet went up into her skin ended up under her skin between her skin and her skull her eye was destroyed she asks him why he shot her and it's confusing and he doesn't she's still awake oh yeah she jumps out the window because

they're on the second floor she jumps out the window lands on like the roof of like the portico underneath her breaks her shoulder crawls along the roof and then goes into the window of another room that happened to be open to get to safety. That's crazy. I know. So the hotel called the doctor. They couldn't even bring her to a hospital that day because it was like 1903. So she was like in like they sedated her to control a hospital. They weren't sure it was going to survive but she survived. She had obviously like a lot of facial scars but she survived. Griffith was arrested for attempted murder. His lawyer claimed that he was insane because of the drinking. And that seems kind of fair because he was definitely like losing his mind. And the

paranoia had been getting like worse and worse and worse. Tina testified that everything that had happened. When she did, she had a black veil over her face. There's a really great court drawing of it. She had a veil hiding her face. And then she had to go to each member of the jury and lift the veil and show them what he had done to her. So each person like saw her like, weird eye socket he ended up being charged with assault with a deadly weapon sentenced to five years in prison and a five thousand dollar fine that seems light i know that he didn't he was charged with attempted murder but got or whatever but he ended up getting assault of deadly weapon wow okay in 1904 Tina was granted a divorce and full custody of vandal

Griffith sold to pay for his education like child support and stuff she went in to get the divorce and the judge was like why do you want a divorce and she was like well he shot me in the face and the judge was like done and it was like a record it took four and a half minutes for the judge to to get for that yeah she goes on like lives with a family she died in 1940 at the age of 84 so they never they never had contact again griffith served two years and then was released he has the world's best mugshot i don't know if you want to google it i'll put it in the thing it's like it's so good he came out sober and was like well i'm still rich so he still try to like be a part of la society he

tried to give money to to build an observatory and a greek theater the city accepted the money but the park commission was like no like you can't i don't want to build those things under your name because you tried to kill your wife so let's stop taking money from this guy but of course this mugshot is incredible it's incredible like he looks like so annoyed he looks like a lobotomy patient he looks like elmer fun yeah you think yeah yeah

all kind of look like that back then, right? Yeah, yeah, it's pretty great. So he tried to give the money to the city. They said no, but of course, there is a Griffith Observatory, and there is a Greek theater. So he willed the money to the city to build them. So after Griffith died on July 6, 1919 of liver failure, he willed the money to the city, and the Griffith Observatory, which is awesome, and the Greek theater, which is also

awesome. He is interned at the Hollywood Forever Cemetery. And if you stand at his grave, you can see the Griffith Observatory. That's very cool. I love the observatory. It's such an iconic piece of L.A. architecture. That's it. That is really interesting.

It's crazy. Obviously, people had a hand on all this stuff. It's just like, yeah, it's weird. I mean, I live there seven years. I never once thought of it. Because it's interesting because the character of Los Flee's is so vastly different than Echo Park, Silver Lake, or all these other places the reason I think it's so different is the park is there the park is so because I mean silver lake has silver lake but it's different it just doesn't have the same vibe

park is like isn't even the right word like you said like it's like hills like it's 4,000 acres it's not like it's huge you know there's there's tons of like hiking trails and stuff to do there's horses and there's like all there's a little cafe and like it's just like such a beautiful a beautiful space and it's not it's not like flat like central park it's like hills you can go on like hikes and you can also drive up for the top and the observatory is awesome we went with our daycare one time and the kids all saw like a show about the stars like inside of it was so cold um it has Leonard Nimoy Leonard Nimoy is the um the narrator of that yes yes i saw the fireworks there one fourth of july we were like up halfway up the hill and we could see them like all over the

city it was beautiful so it's such a great place so super grateful that it's there but pretty wild life of the Griffiths and while that we like know we know his name from the park but we like don't know that he also tried to kill his wife and like kind of put crazy and yeah i've only almost died twice while hiking and one of those times was in 2019 in griffith park how did you almost die well because i said i was ill prepared so i i didn't take enough food with me i didn't take enough i got those goo packs it was like they just stuffed them in my um in my backpack and i was like i'm never going to have these they were in there for like a year. I literally ate all of them on that one hike

because I was just, I'm going to die if I don't get down soon. He's awesome. Oh, gosh, that's so funny. I'm glad I survived. I know. I'm glad to survive too. Everything's going swimmingly. Well, Taylor, thank you for sharing that story.

I'm going to transition us over the true crime side of today's stories and through the power and magic of audio editing. Nobody's going to know that I totally screwed up the original link for this call. Perfect. Perfect. Perfection. I'm heading back into spousal death territory today. Right.

It'll be really exciting one. So this one's a pretty infamous one. It's kind of long ago enough to where, you know, I don't know, it doesn't hit as hard as some of the more recent ones I do. I'm going to cover someone that gets confused with somebody else I covered already in the past. So you know it's California. You know it. This guy gets confused with somebody else in the past.

Taylor, do you know what I'm talking about? Is it Scott Peterson? Yeah. Yeah. The cool guy himself. the coolest coolest dude in the world that blonde the blonde cool dude yeah ready this case like i said it's a while ago this case is from 2002 but it received renewed attention recently when some jury misconduct during the during scott's original trial was discovered oh yeah in the sentence was

appeal that's like literally just happened uh like five six months ago so it's pretty recent but spoil alert scott is still in jail so the latest attempted freedom also didn't work so for the best let's get into our main characters starting starting with the man himself scott peterson at the time of these crimes scott was 30 years old he was originally from san diego his parents had six kids in total but scott was the only one they had together so a lot of half siblings i think that's okay yeah totally yeah could i mean what two three and then there's one that you have together so scott one thing to his credit is he was a born golfer.

He was incredibly, incredibly good at golfing. He consistently ranked near the very top of golfers in his age bracket and even won a golf scholarship eventually to Arizona State University. Cool. Okay. So here's where I'm going to start in on my editorial stance on my opinions of this guy. Okay. Right off the bat, I'm going to fly two things that annoy me.

Okay. Arizona State University. and being exceptionally good at golf at a young age. Oh, my God. That's so funny. Tell me why. Okay. So during this time period, when Scott would have been at ASU,

Playboy magazine ranked it as a top party school in the country. I knew that about it. Yeah. Okay. I just picture fraternities frat bros. I picture a lot of poppies. collars yes you know yeah i feel i mean i i it was always portrayed as a place to me they don't necessarily go to you to learn yeah i don't know if that's really true but that was the

reputation and probably because of that article you mentioned well it's also self-selecting right so like if if playboy says it's a party school then who goes to that school exactly yeah there's not a lot of Einstein's graduating from ASU. Although maybe, look, if you went to ASU, God bless you, maybe it's turned into a good school now, but it's just like, when I think about it, I just think of like, girls and bikinis and guys pouring terrible beer on them. I don't think about, like, academics and rigor of that sort. Yes.

When it comes to the golf bit, I will admit, A, I don't play golf. I've tried it. I don't like it. And I will admit that I'm actually really impressed by people who are really, really good at golf because it is so difficult to get good at. It is deceptively hard to golf. Have you ever golfed? I've like mini golfed. I've never like actually golfed.

It's so hard. It's like you're you're using a stick to hit a tiny ball hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of yards towards a tiny, tiny little hole with like a bunch of shit in the middle of it with trees and like sand traps and lakes that usually have alligators in them. like it's crazy difficult so it's actually really impressive when someone's really good at it my issue is he was his dad was really good too he was beating his dad at golf by the time he was 14 years old which it's just weird is it is that is it weird like is that's great a 14 year old boy it can be grown up sized i don't know i feel like but like like i don't know if i don't so again i don't have kids so i don't know what this is like but i'm like go go go wrestle go go go play baseball go play basketball go to theater school like gulp why why why why is your

socialization activity in your athletic endeavors putting you in the same category of 67 year old dentists like i go hang out with your own type like go hang out with your own type that sounds really bad i have to edit that out oh my god so okay tiger woods turned professional by the age of 20 So I feel like, you know, he was obviously, I mean, I didn't watch the movie, but like, obviously he was like very stressed out his whole entire life. But he, um, definitely did it his whole life. The Serena and Venus Williams turned tennis pros at the age of 14. Like, but you don't think that tennis is different than golf? Tennis and golf are both very posh sports.

I don't ever been to a tennis match. Hold on. Have you, you've never been to a tennis match? No. Okay. Do you know who like some of the better tennis players are? Yeah. Okay. Or any of them 68 years old? No. Okay. So you're saying everybody's old in golf? Yeah. Well, but it gives them a long time to be I mean, I don't care. This isn't.

This is gonna hell to die on it. I get it. I get it. To me though, it's just like there's something about him where it's like you tie ASU and the golf thing. You're just like, I mean, if you already don't like him, then like that's gonna. Yes. That might put you over the top. Indeed. Okay, I'm gonna keep on a golf thing because he was crazy good at this. So. when he was at ASU, because again, he got a scholarship to ASU for golfing, and he was in the same golf team. He was on the same golf team as Phil Mickelson, who if you don't know, is probably one of the most famous and recognizable golfers in the country. Yeah, he's like, it's Tiger Woods, Phil Mickelson, basically. Scott got kicked off the team because he took a kid named Chris Couch, who was also on the team drinking when Chris was underaged. And Chris's dad complained because, he complained to the coach of the golf team and got Scott kicked off the team because

he was just a helicopter dad right he was like my kids trying to become good at golfing and you have another golfer on this team who's just taking a kid out getting him hammered he's a bad influence kicking this guy out of the team which he did Chris was actually really good so he also ended up becoming a professional golfer on the PGA tour Scott was in the same ranks as these two professional golfers wow I mean that's impressive despite all the show I literally just talked Well, that's what I mean. Nobody sound right. I can talk shit.

No, I know. So later, he would bounce around to a few other universities because at that point, he got kicked out of ASU because the golf scholarship went away when he got kicked off the team. He eventually would graduate with a degree in agricultural business. That was what he focused on. While he was in college, Scott worked at a restaurant. And while working at that restaurant, he met a girl named Lacey Denise Roka. I think it's Roka. It's R-O-C-H-A, Rocha, or Roka?

It's Roka, right? Yeah. Okay. She was also a call student at this time, and she was studying horticulture. The two would get friendly and eventually start dating. They'd move in together, and in 1997, got married. It was pretty quick turnaround time. Yeah.

And they're really young. And they're really young. Super, super young. Scott would take a job selling fertilizer. Well, sorry. I wrote, I think. He took a job for a company that manufactures fertilizer. I don't maybe he was like back of half back of a house doing P&L statements or he was selling

fertilizer I'm not 100% sure he made good money it sounds like made about $5,000 a month and that was in like 1997 money so it that's probably like $10,000 a month now yeah totally uh Lacey took up substitute teaching and that was kind of their their lives around this time they would also buy a house in Modesto California and two years later Lacey would get pregnant with a due date that will become relevant later on of February 10th, 2003. In November of 2002, Scott would meet his future mistress. Do you remember her name? No.

Amber Frye. Yeah. Who he told was single. He told her he's single when they met. So, obviously. December 23rd, 2002 would be the last time anyone would see Lacey alive. We know that, we know that she was alive up till, 8.30 p.m. on December 23rd of that day because her mom and her spoke on the phone and her

sister saw her in person in the hair salon she worked at. So December 23rd, 2002, 830 p.m. Last time she's ever heard of again. So I'm going to get into what Scott's versions of the events are. But let's start with what we know for sure. Because Scott's version is a little wishy-washy. On April 13th, 2003, so just under four months from her disappearance, a couple was walking near the shores of San Francisco Bay when they stumbled on the decomposing body of a late-term male fetus washed ash ashore. I know.

I know. I read that and was just like, oh, it's so clinical. You know, it just, I don't know, it sounds worse saying it that way. It does. Oh, that's awful. The next day, so April 14th, someone else found the body of a woman washed up about a mile

from when the fetus was discovered. Her head and her limbs were missing. Oh. four days later DNA testing would confirm that these were the bodies of lacy peterson and the son that they had decided to name Connor they were obviously autopsy and mostly everything came back inconclusive they've been in the water for so long you know it's tough to nail things down how did he get out of her yeah so this is this is the part that's kind of gross um during the autopsy it was clear that her cervix was intact so something ripped her stomach open and the baby was extracted that way like an animal or like either an or like maybe there's like underwater water flow happening that like just smash her against a rock and then it's severed like i mean look this is the ocean there's like 80 million ways to be killed by it and so it could have been an animal it could have been just currents and rocks and things like that oh my god but they

the only thing that they do know for sure is the baby died in utero so lacy died baby dies they go in the water somehow some way definitely not through natural birth her baby is extracted from her body her body was really badly messed up her body was really messed up so like she had all kinds of broken everything like i said her limbs were missing yeah there was no assumptions that the person who killed her took her limbs or did this themselves this is all natural it was all nature that did this that's like that is that the beach that were like feet always come on i'm sure i so it is the same coast it's the same coast but i think that that beach is actually in canada so i think you got a little further north and it's up there near bc area

Vancouver area that's yeah yeah and that's just because it's of the same thing because like people die in the water and then like their whole body gets off depart with their feet stay in their shoes is that what happens yeah it's because like the the shoe that kind of protects your foot so while The rest of your body is getting eaten by animals and, like, busted along rocks and stuff. Like, eventually your ankle will break off, but your foot will stay in your shoe, and the shoe will float away. Yeah, there was so many clinical things that were going on here. So apparently, the reason the kid wasn't so messed up was because it didn't, it was still wrapped around the, the, right? I was going to say, whatever it's called, the sack and everything.

The sack, we're so scientific here. Whatever it's called, that was still there. placenta yeah so the baby was actually weirdly preserved i mean this seemed been dead for like four months in the ocean and they could still figure out all the details of it lacy they couldn't like that was i mean she was just goo at that point yeah not good yeah scott told police so here we're getting into his side of it so scott told police that the morning of December 24th remember last she was heard of was the 23rd he left to go golfing and lacey was watching a martha stewart show he said he came home later that afternoon found the house empty and lacy's stepfather would

ultimately be the one that ends up reporting lacy missing to the police so scott isn't even the one who did it also like isn't it christmas yeah it was christmas eve yeah i said people must be like expunging her to come over for christmas or something yeah well so i want to get into there's um the the the Peterson family does a lot of bending over backwards to try and find justifications were why he's innocent that what your point you're raising is one of those points that they also there's a whole separate section about this i'll i also have some theories so continue yeah i would love to hear him because it is it is good uh the lack of evidence here is very very interesting yeah so two lead detectives alan brock brockini and john bueller went to the house

and immediately suspected scott they were you know obviously they're going to spread the spouse spouse initially, but they would say that he didn't seem very concerned. He seemed kind of disinterested. Like he was kind of aloof. Like he didn't seem like someone was like my eight month pregnant wife is gone. Tomorrow's Christmas. Right. You should be worried. You should be worried. It gets so gross. This story gets so gross. Later on, Scott would say that he wasn't golfing. He was actually fishing that day. So his story changes, which is suspect. interestingly Lacey's parents initially defended Scott on all of this stuff they had they had his back on all of this they're like there's no way Scott did it it took a while for

them to slowly change their tune one of the reasons they changed their tune is that was uncovered in mid-January about a month after the disappearance or like maybe three years after the disappearance that Scott had engaged in three extra marital affairs including Amber Frye so he was constantly cheating on her basically totally you're just say something I'm just thinking like if you are like if you are telling the truth your story doesn't change because it's the truth you know and if you're like saying a bunch of stuff that contradicts itself and is weird like it's a it's probably because you can't freaking remember when what you were going to say you know what it's funny because I sort of agree with you but there's there's

something consistent about Scott which is a he had whatever job he had was very leisurely because this guy right constantly either fishing or playing golf right he's up doing white people activities but it's weird it's like he just bounced between those two like he i read at some point in his adult life he don't five boats like he was just constantly doing these activities and and i mean so i and a part of me is like i don't know was i fished that or was i golf and i don't know part of it is that too so again as with the mistress from our Chris Watts story, she is kind of the unsung hero. The second of this story got attention, because of course it did, because A, Lacey and Scott

are good-looking white people. Yeah, you can say it. And she's missing and she's pregnant and there's no evidence of anything. So like it immediately went into the national attention territory. Yeah. At which point, Amber went to the police and basically pointed out three things, said, I'm dating Scott. Scott told me a single. Scott even told me two weeks before Lacey disappeared that he is a widower. Not good. Yeah. Which I think Drew Peterson did too. If I remember clearly, I think

Drew Peters also said that his living wife was dead. So Amber agreed to let the police record phone conversations with Scott. During one of these calls, this is crazy. And I remember this from what originally happened and they called it i was like oh my god i remember this during one of these romantic calls they had with each other this is like days after lacey is missing scott told amber that he was in paris for the holidays with friends do you remember this yes he was at lacy's candlelight vigil like she's not going to fucking see that on tv so crazy like what are you talking about like she's going to find out dude like this one this one always say when in any situation the cover-up is almost always worse than the crime oh my god so stupid because because it

it is it is these little spots of details that the jury strung together to say like because we'll we'll find this out later on there's actually no direct evidence that he did anything to lacy there's all a thousand little things that he did him being an idiot like just a thousand little things that they tied together like what um it's just so stupid to be like ah i am in paris Like, oh, I'm looking at the Eiffel Tower. Like, what a weird thing to say. Like, oh, I decided last minute to fly to Paris with my buddies for Christmas. It's late here.

Bolger, like, whatever. One idiot. Yeah, because given time zones, she would have thought it's like 3 a.m. form because a candlelight isn't held at, like, noon. No, it's only candlelight. And at that time, it's, yeah, it's just, man, not good. Good. Did you ever watch the show Alias with Jennifer Garner?

No. It was like, it's like kind of dumb, but a very like 90s action show, but she was a spy, but she would pretend that she would always go to San Diego for business, but like really she'd go to China and like do spy things and come back. And I'm like, why don't you just say you're going to China for business? Because you're still trying to have them to like call people and make stuff up. Like why wouldn't you just be like, oh, I have to go China. So they would think of the time zone.

I thought that was dumb. She was always like in San Diego when like, why not just tell them where you are or like, I don't understand. It's funny. When you initially said that, I thought I'd probably prefer to say I'm in San Diego than the same in China because you got to answer a lot more questions when you go to China than when you go to San Diego. I guess. That seems fair. But then it's hard to keep the truth up. Anyways, Scott isn't an espionage professional. So there are very few, which is another part of our. Yeah, themes. Yeah. So after the bodies were discovered, police put a tracker on Scott's car because they thought he was going to be. and run away to Mexico.

This is Modesta, California. He was raised in San Diego, and he's in the La Jolla area. He could easily just hop over to Mexico and just disappear if he chose to. That's what they were worried about. I think I mentioned Scott's arrest in one of the previous episodes. It might have been the Chris Watts one. But the day of the Lacey and Conner's autopsy, so, or sorry, the days after that autopsy happened, Scott decided to go play a round of golf in La Jolla, and it was here at this,

at this round of golf game is when he was arrested. This is so funny to me. He dyed his brown hair. He'd never died his hair. He had never in his childhood, teenage years or adulthood died his hair, but he did this time. He died his hair blonde. He had $15,000 in cash in his car.

He had survival gear, camping gear, a ton of extra clothes, multiple cell phones, two IDs. He had his own ID and his brother ID, and his brother looks kind of like him. and he went golfing. This is all found in his car, and he goes golfing, which is just phenomenal. That's all, all stuff that innocent people do.

Yeah, exactly. It's like, it's like, you're obviously not going to get out on, what is it, what is it when they give you, when you're on cash bail, bond,

parole, bond, yeah, but you're not going to get out because like you, you clearly have all the signs of someone who's about about to make a run for it. He ends up getting charged with two counts

of first three murder and pleads not guilty. his trial started on June 1st 2004 which would have made it one of the first major TV trial so this would have been seven years ahead of Casey Anthony and nine years ahead of Jody Arias other two massive TV trials it's again worth noting there is absolutely nothing directly tying Scott to the deaths of Lacey and Connor nothing like there's no camera footage there's no confession there's no he told me here say alibi like none of that which is crazy he was just acting weird about it the whole time but we don't but there's no like here's what happened which is like is he a genius no but what happened that's crazy we don't know what happened yeah we really don't know what happened we have we have a lot of different piece of the puzzle we can put together so the prosecution said scott created four homemade cement anchors and tied those to Lacey's body and dumped her in the ocean.

Again, her body was discovered four months after she was in the ocean, probably at the bottom of the ocean until her, well, actually, her limbs came off. Yeah, exactly. So she was at the bottom of the ocean until her limbs came off and then she floated at the top. So there's nothing left. There's nothing left to like, oh, she died of asphyxiation. Like what? She's cut open.

She's wide open. So they don't know. don't even have a cause of death for really wow the events had a host of arguments uh they said that sonar equipment used to find the anchors couldn't find the anchors they said that some random prostitute killed lacey they said that the baby found was full term which would have meant that she had been kidnapped and that she'd been held by somebody which would have precluded scott they're basically throwing whatever like could could it trying to defend him like there really wasn't much to it The prostitute thing was somebody who was still in their mail, but that started happening, like, two months after Lacey disappeared and Scott reported that. So he has, whatever.

Oh, he reported that. Yeah. Yeah, it didn't report Lacey, exactly. And yeah, like I said, by contrast, prosecution really couldn't tie him to the murders in any way. They just had all this circumstantial evidence that pointed to him having some involvement. There were some things that he did that indicated he knew she wasn't going to come home. So, for example, days after she disappeared, he added. porn channels to his home cable set up,

which would indicate, well, nobody's going to know this is here because nobody's coming home. He sold her car, the car that she had. She had basically a generic mom car. He sold that and bought himself a pickup. So it was like, well, we're not going to need this car that has room for a backseat in it. So let's get rid of that one.

And then the serial recordings of Amber Frye were also played out in court, which definitely did not make him look good. No. So five months after the start of his trial, Scott would be convicted of first degree murder for Lacey's death and second-degree murder for Connors. He was ultimately sentenced to death by lethal injection. In 2020, Scott appealed his sentence

due to a number of proclaimed errors with his trial, including improper jury handling and allowing up evidence that should not have been admitted. This went to the Supreme Court of California, which upheld as a conviction, but they overturned the death sentence because there was basically a death penalty question during the jury selection period

that the trial judge allowed in without proper follow-up, and they said that that, could have been enough to get him the death sentence if it wasn't for the judge not asking proper follow-up questions. Basically, long it's right, it doesn't really matter. But like, during the sentencing phase, they'll ask the jury, like, or during the jury selection phase, they'll ask to people on the jury, hey, how do you feel about the death penalty? And somebody says, I'm opposed to it. And then you're supposed to follow up with that and say, does, does that mean

that you would be incapable of rendering the verdict or the sentence if the law proclaims that's just. And you're supposed to ask that. And if they say, no, I wouldn't be able to do what the law says because that's how I feel about it. Then they kick you off. But he didn't do that. You just stopped with like, I don't believe that. He kicked him off. So basically, they only got pro-death penalty advocates. So it makes sense. The conclusion makes sense. Sure. Obviously, there's more appeals that are flying things. well this there's another one that went to the california supreme court in 2015 it was based on the fact that a jury uh a juror lied during jury selection but the court decided that wasn't enough

and so they basically said that yeah the juror did not tell the full truth but it was immature to the case anyways so he's still in prison they they took away his death penalty and rendered a sentence of life imprisonment so he's going to stay there he's not up for parole ever and that's probably where he's going to end up for the rest of his life So on the Scott Peterson's innocent side of the aisle, really it's mostly his family, though I'm curious to hear your theories on this as well. They launched an org and a website that's called Scott Petersonappeal.org, which like makes you wonder, what is Scott Peterson.org? Because did, was that already taken?

That's a great question. I see it. Saking justice for Scott, Lacey, and Connor. Yeah. So they. they described their version of events and things of the state kind of failed to prove the website's actually pretty thorough it's a pretty sizable amount of content on there and they've actually uploaded the entire trial to a drop box folder that you can download a watch yourself some of the facts they point to are kind of indisputable and do seem odd but don't necessarily point towards innocence so to your earlier point for example one thing they bring up is that he'd invited his sister-in-law over that night for dinner, the night that he allegedly killed Lacey. And he also offered to go pick up a gift basket that Lacey and her sister had ordered for the grandpa and then delivered the next day, which, yeah,

why would you do that if you were planning on going home and killing your wife that night? But I don't know, maybe it wasn't as premeditated as we would think it is. Right, and like, well, first of all, I don't love that this website has like a painting of them being like in love and like, holding her belly like that's weird so i think that i can agree in i think a fact is

scott peterson is a creep you know he's like a creepy guy he did some creepy things he's like kind of gross but he didn't have any violent tendencies before this you know and like there was like nothing that would like be like oh he was going to kill someone and the thing that i listened to or I learned about was like I don't know this is true I don't know if you've heard this there was like a ring of people kidnapping pregnant women in the neighborhood did you hear that that sounds vaguely familiar

I did not read that in this research though but like just like pregnant women were going missing around this time in that area so like what for sex trafficking or I don't know yeah but like you know like I feel like that part that part is weird because like you said like he you know had people he invited people over he didn't like

act like he had murdered someone there's no evidence there's no like blood there's no anything but but also like the stuff that he did he's not like the best husband and dad ever he probably just like didn't he probably felt relief they didn't have to do that you know because he had all this other shit going on but but i don't know i'm not 100% convinced that he did it yeah i get that i kind of get that well now i don't know i don't Well, so, so a lot of the jurors were interviewed after the fact, and they all point out that if the body hadn't been found, the circumstantial evidence was not enough for them to tie Scott to it. Yeah. Because it is all circumstantial.

Like, there's nothing actually saying. I mean, they, okay. So the other things that the family keeps pointing out here is that they, the cadaver dogs that were, they were brought into the house did an alert. but like if he killed her and then just truck her bought like there's nothing there's no odor that is going to form in that time frame so i don't know um they said that there's something inaccurate about how scott would have had to have disposed of lacy's body they said that um he would have capsized the boat if he tried to dump her body the way they think he would have because the boat wasn't a big boat and probably wouldn't take a hundred forty two pound body hanging off the side of it but again like i don't know could you tie that to a buoy? Could you tie that to something else and stabilize it that way? Like, maybe it did capsize the boat small enough to where you just flip it over. Like, I don't, I don't know. Yeah.

There was also this, they received 24 sightings of Lacey after she disappeared around the city. But then I looked this up. Yeah. But this, when I looked this piece up, by comparison, there's been 55 sightings of Bigfoot's since the mid-1900. people say she like crazy people do crazy shit and they're gonna talk right so yeah and if you're like think you you're trying to look for like a pregnant lady like you'll see pregnant ladies all the time everywhere you know like once you start thinking about you'll say that's funny yeah because i don't think that like i think i'm missing i'm missing the the motive i feel like the like the what was

lacy like was she excited because she was super excited i mean that's why she literally just watched martha stewart videos because she's trying to to be a mom and like he's all excited that she's about to be a mom she's 27 year old girl like she was probably psyched I wonder but but yeah to this day he's still in jail and I don't see a universe unless some huge monumental fact comes out I personally do think that he did it because yeah but he's not a criminal mastermind I know it's always a spouse it's probably like it's definitely like the simplest what's it called the Hacombs razor the same simplest thing is always the right thing so so you say that about the criminal master thing but again

this was 2002 so i don't even think the iPhone was out until like 2003 and when it did come out like very few people had it and when it did come out there was no internet on it's like all yeah it came out in 2006 yeah all the device tracking that exists today today to do what he did you would have to be like a mega genius to get away like just made it yeah he just went past the cuss when the iPhone 3G came out and like luckily we didn't have one because there was no cell phone tracking right so they couldn't be able to go back and forth and I doubt he had a boat right yeah yeah he had a boat did he go out on the boat Christmas Eve yeah he said that he went well at first he said he went golfing oh right right

and then he said he went fishing yeah yeah but again there was no tracking on the boat it's not like today when every motorized vehicle has like a mini black box and that tells you how what's the accelerator versus the ailer on right and you're like constantly being recorded and like yeah yeah so so i don't know i think i think you're right he probably i mean he probably but because he was he also he acted so fucking weird afterwards and so i think it's fair that that's the evidence that like he didn't do himself a single freaking favor he's at his wife's candlelight vigil calling his mistress from Paris. Like, it's just crazy.

Yeah, not from Paris. Pretending to be. Pretending to be. I do love the whole dye your hair. But it's like, dude, just don't play golf today. Today's not a golfing day. Just go to Mexico. Keep going.

Yeah. Yeah, like, he's definitely, like, maybe in his, like, dumb head, he was like, oh, I should, you know, like, I can run away, you know, or, like, this is what I need to do or whatever, but. yeah yeah i keep picturing him uh him probably just strangling her to death and then being like oh what have i done and then like i got to figure i got to fix her in the water yeah yeah yeah just like getting mad and doing it yeah yeah so maybe she found out about the mistress and got into a fight with him and he got mad because she was in a fight with him and i don't know you don't know what

makes people pop off i know but that's what that also lends credit and it's like yeah he didn't have violent tendencies but you don't know like that's true I don't know anything like what I don't know anything about their like life really yeah so Amber pray is on Instagram she looks good I followed her

she has 5,000 followers she's very happy she's religious now um maybe she always was oh she's a pampered chef consultant you know pampered chef mean like she like it's like it's like a like a we like a Tupper party for pots

travel adventure family Christian L.O.A what's L. way. I have no idea. Yeah, she looks happy. Yeah. I think, well, I think you're definitely right that he's never getting out of jail. And this website has family made is crazy.

And this, everybody on Facebook, you could probably read these posts forever where they're like, justice, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, I don't know. Yeah. What's it going to do? You know, like, I don't know. I feel like Lacey, she looked, she's real cute. She looks real fun.

It's too bad. She married a jerk off. damn amber is definitely living her best life yeah for her uh he looks like ben afflick when he's thinner yeah i mean yeah he could have gone a different route just divorce your wife if you want to have a mistress it's fine a lot of kids in single family homes like a hundred percent you'll have a kid it won't be as he won't be as close to you as you want and it'll be fine you'll be fine just leave you can abandon your family that's fine you can abandon

your children that's fine don't kill them because now everyone's life is ruined there's no Connor Lacey's dead and he has to live in freaking jail for the rest of his life so you are not a criminal mastermind

you don't know many criminal mastermind yeah well you don't find you don't find criminal masterminds that's for sure yeah they don't find you if you're not already doing it you're never going to do it and that's our lesson of the day that's our therapy session for psychopaths oh man you for listening i feel bad for i mean obviously that's terrible poorly

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