Doomed to Fail - Ep 17 - Part 2: Blondes Don't Have More Fun - Scott Peterson

Episode Date: March 25, 2024

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Hi everyone, Taylor from Doom to Fail. Here is a late Sunday re-release for you. This is episode 17, part two on Scott and Lacey Peterson. This is when we were doing like very classic true crime and history episodes about couples. So obviously these two are going to come up. There's like 99% of me that knows that Scott did this. And then there's the one percent of me that is like he was a terrible husband and he was stupid, but he was also just like a 27-year-old kid over his head. And there's that thing where

like other pregnant women in the area had gone missing. So I think since this episode, one of the Innocence Projects has taken up his case, which absolutely does not mean that he is innocent, but it means they're going to take a second look at it. So I don't know. That's interesting to see how that might unfold. As a reminder, we have our first 26 episodes. We did two stories per episode and then they got pretty long so now we release mondays and wednesdays um usually two separate episodes per week but we decided to re-release all of our old ones as separate episodes as well so um next week we'll be back with um we releasing episode 18 so episode 18 is on bernie teed and ed and lorraine warren so widely different stories but two really fun ones too so look for

those next week but for now here is the story of scott and lacey peterson In a matter of the people of the state of California, first is Hortonthall James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country. Thank you for sharing that story. I'm going to transition us over the true crime side of today's stories and through the power and magic of audio editing. nobody's going to know that I totally screwed up. You'll get a link for this call.

Perfect. Perfect. So I'm heading back into spousal death territory today. Right. It'll be really exciting one. So this one's a pretty infamous one. It's kind of long ago enough to where, you know, I don't know, it doesn't hit as hard as some more recent ones I do.

I'm going to cover someone that gets confused with somebody else I covered already in the past. So you know it's California. you know it this guy gets confused with somebody else in the past taylor do you know what i'm talking about is scott peterson yeah yeah the cool guy himself the coolest coolest dude in the world that blonde the blonde cool dude yeah ready this case like i said it's well ago this case is from 2002 but it received renewed attention recently when some jury misconduct during this during scott's original trial was discovered oh yeah in the sentence was appeal that's like literally just happened, like five, six months ago.

So it's pretty recent. But, spoiler alert, Scott is still in jail. So the latest attempted freedom also didn't work. So let's get into our main characters starting with the man himself, Scott Peterson. At the time of these crimes, Scott was 30 years old. He was originally from San Diego. His parents had six kids in total, but Scott was the only one they had together. So a lot of half civil.

Oh, okay. So, like that's okay. Yeah, totally. Yeah, I could mean, what, two, three, and then there's one that you have together. So Scott, one thing to his credit is he was a born golfer. He was incredibly, incredibly good at golfing. He consistently ranked near the very top of golfers in his age bracket

and even won a golf scholarship eventually to Arizona State University. Cool. Okay. So here's where I'm going to start in on my, editorial stance on my opinions of this guy okay right off the bat i'm going to fly two things that annoy me okay Arizona State University and being exceptionally good at golf at a young age oh my god that's so funny tell me why okay so during this time period when scott would have been at ASU. Playboy magazine ranked it as a top party school in the country. I knew that about it,

yeah. Okay. I just picture fraternities frat bros. I picture a lot of popped collars. Yes. You know? Yeah, I feel, I mean, I, I, it was always portrayed as a place to me they don't necessarily go to you to learn. Yeah. I don't know if that's really true, but that was the reputation and probably because of that article you mentioned. Well, it's also self-selecting, right? So, like, if Playboy says it's a party school, then who goes to that school? Exactly. Yeah, there's not a lot of Einstein's graduating from ASU.

Although maybe, look, if you went to ASU, God bless you, maybe it's turned into a good school now. But it's just like, when I think about it, I just think of, like, girls and bikinis and guys pouring terrible beer on them. I don't think about, like, academics and rigor of that sort. Yes. When it comes to the golf bit, I will admit, A, I don't play golf. I've tried it. I don't like it. And I will admit that I'm actually really impressed by people who are really, really good at golf because it is so difficult to get good at.

It is deceptively hard to golf. Have you ever golf, Taylor? I've, like, mini golf. I've never, like, actually golf. it's so hard it's like yeah you're you're using a stick to hit a tiny ball hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of yards towards a tiny tiny little hole with like a bunch of shit in the middle of it with trees and like sand traps and lakes that usually have alligators in them like it's crazy difficult so it's actually really impressive when someone's really good at it

my issue is he was his dad was really good too he was beating his dad at golf by the time he was 14 years old which it's just weird is that is it is that weird is that weird like is it like no that's great a 14 year old boy it can be grown upsized i don't know i feel like but like like i don't know if i don't so again i don't have kids so i don't know what this is like go go wrestle go go go play baseball go play basketball go to theater school like gulp why why why is your socialization activity in your athletic endeavors putting you in the same category of 67-year-old dentists. Like, go hang out with your own type.

Go hang out with your own type. That sounds really bad. I have to edit that out. Oh, my God. So, okay, Tiger Woods turned professional by the age of 20. So I feel like, you know, he was obviously, I mean, I didn't watch the movie, but, like, obviously he was, like, very stressed out his whole entire life. But he definitely did it his whole life.

The Serena and Venus Williams turned tennis pros at the age of 14. like but you don't think that tennis is different than golf tennis and golf are both very posh sports i don't ever been to a tennis match hold you you've never been to a tennis match no okay do you know who like some of the better tennis players are yeah okay are any of them sixty eight years old no okay so you're saying everybody's old in golf yeah well but that gives them a long time to be i mean i don't care this isn't it's gonna hell to die on i get it i get Okay, to me, though, to me, though, it's just like there's something about him where it's like you tie ASU and the golf thing. I mean, if you already don't like him, then like, that's going to, yes.

That might put you over the top. Indeed. Okay, I'm going to keep walking on a golf thing because he was crazy good at this. So when he was at ASU, because again, he got a scholarship to ASU for golfing. And he was in the same golf team. He was on the same golf team as Phil Mickelson, who if you don't know, is probably one of the most famous and recognizable golfers in the country. Yeah. He's like, it's Tiger Woods, Phil Mickelson, basically.

Scott got kicked off the team because he took a kid named Chris Couch, who was also on the team drinking when Chris was underaged. And Chris's dad complained because, you know, he complained to the coach of the golf team and got Scott kicked off the team because he was just a helicopter dad, right? He was like, my kid's trying to become good at golfing. And you have another golfer on this team who's just taking a kid out, getting him hammered, he's a bad influence, kicking this guy out.

of the team, which he did. Chris was actually really good. So he also ended up becoming a professional golfer on the PGA tour. Scott was in the same ranks as these two professional golfers. Wow. I mean, that's impressive. This part of all the show I literally just talked. Well, that's what I mean. Nobody sound right. I can talk shit. So later, he would bounce around to a few other universities because at that point, he got kicked out of ASU because the golf scholarship went away when he got kicked off the team. he eventually would graduate with a degree in agricultural business that was what he focused on while he was in college scott worked at a restaurant and while working at that restaurant he met

a girl named lacey denise roca i think it's roca it's rocca rocha rocha rocha rocha it's roca right yeah okay she was also a call sooner this time and she was studying horticulture the two would get friendly and eventually start dating they'd move in together and in 1997 got married it was pretty quick turnaround time yeah and they're really young and they're really young super super young scott would take a job selling fertilizer and well i'm sorry i wrote i think he took a job for a company that manufactures fertilizer i don't maybe he was like back of half back of house doing p and l statements or he was selling fertilizer i'm not 100% sure he made good money it sounds like he made about five thousand dollars a month and that was in like 1997 money so it that's probably like 10 000 a month

no yeah totally uh lacey took up substitute teaching and that was kind of their their lives around this time they would also buy a house in modesto california and two years later lacy would get pregnant with a due date that will become relevant later on of february 10th 2003 in november of 2002 scott would meet his future mistress do you remember her name no amber fry yeah who he told was single he told her he's single when they met so obviously December 23rd 2002 would be the last time anyone would see Lacey alive we know that we know that she was alive up till 8 30 p.m. on December 23rd of that day because her mom and her spoke on the phone and her sister saw her in person in the hair salon she worked at so December 23rd 2002 830 p.m. last time she's ever heard of again

so i'm going to get into what scott's versions of the events are but let's start with what we know for sure because scott's version is a little wishy-washy on april 13th 2003 so just under four months from her disappearance a couple was walking near the shores of san francisco bay when they stumbled on the decomposing body of a late-term male fetus washed ash ash ashore i know i know i read that and was just like it's so clinical you know it just i don't know it sounds worse saying it that way it does that's awful the next day so April 14th someone else found the body of a woman washed up about a mile from where the fetus was discovered her head and her limbs were missing oh four days later DNA testing would confirm that these were the bodies of lacy peterson

and the son that they had decided to name Connor they were obviously autopsy and mostly everything came back inconclusive they've been in the water for so long you know it's tough to nail things down how did he get out of her yeah so this is this is the part that's kind of gross um during the autopsy was clear that her cervix was intact so something ripped her stomach open and the baby was extracted that way like an animal or like maybe there's like underwater water flow happening that like just smash her against a rock and then it's severed her like I mean, look, this is the ocean. There's like 80 million ways to be killed by it.

And so it could have been an animal. It could have been just currents and rocks and things like that. Oh, my God. But they, the only thing that they do know for sure is the baby died in utero. So Lacey died. Mm-hmm. Baby dies. Mm-hmm.

They go in the water. Somehow, some way, definitely not through natural birth. Her baby is extracted from her body. Wow. her body was really badly messed up her body was really messed up so like she had all kinds of broken everything like i said her limbs were missing yeah there was no assumptions that the person who killed her took her limbs or did this themselves this is all natural like natural it was all nature that did that's like is that the beach that were like feet always come on i'm sure i so it is

the same coast it's the same coast but i think that that beach is actually in canada so i think you got a little further north and it's up there near bc area Vancouver area that makes sense yeah yeah and that's just because it's the same thing because like people die in the water and then like their whole body gets ripped apart with their feet stay in their shoes is that what happens yeah it's because like the shoe that kind of protects your foot so while like the rest of your body is getting eaten by animals and like busted along rocks and stuff like eventually your ankle will break off but your foot will stay in your shoe and the shoe will foot away yeah there was so many clinical things that were going on here so apparently the reason the

kid wasn't so messed up was because it didn't it was still wrapped around the um the right I was gonna say whatever it's called the sack and everything the sack we're so scientific here whatever it's called that was still there placenta yeah so the baby was actually weirdly preserved I mean this seemed been dead for like four months in the ocean and it would they could still figure out all the details of it Lacey they couldn't like that was I mean she was just goo at that point yeah not good yeah Scott told police so here we're getting into his side of it so scott told police that the morning of december 24th remember last year was heard of was the 23rd he left to go golfing and lacey was

watching a martha stewart show he said he came home later that afternoon found the house empty and lacey's stepfather would ultimately be the one that ends up reporting lacy missing to the police so scott isn't even the one who did it also like isn't it christmas yeah it was christmas eve yeah i said people must be like expaging her to come over christmas or something yeah well so i want to get into there's um the the the peterson family does a lot of bending over backwards to try and find justifications for why he's innocent that the point you're raising is one of those points that they also there's a whole separate section about this i'll i also have some theories so continue yeah i would love to hear

them because it is it is the lack of evidence here is very very interesting yeah So two lead detectives, Alan Brock, Brockini, and John Buehler went to the house and immediately suspected Scott. They were, you know, obviously they're going to spread the spouse initially, but they would say that he didn't seem very concerned. He seemed kind of disinterested, like he was kind of aloof. Like he didn't seem like someone was like, my eight-month pregnant wife is gone. What, tomorrow's Christmas. Right. You should be worried.

You should be worried. It gets so gross. This story gets so gross. later on scott would say that he wasn't golfing he was actually fishing that day so his story changes which is suspect interestingly lacy's parents initially defended scott on all of this stuff they had they had his back on all of this they're like there's no way scott did it it took a while for them to slowly change their tune one of the reasons they changed their tune is that was uncovered in mid-January about a month after the disappearance or like maybe three years after the disappearance that scott

had engaged in three extra banarital affairs including amber fry so he was constantly cheating on her basically totally you're gonna say something oh i'm just thinking like if you are like if you are telling the truth your story doesn't change because it's the truth you know and if you're like saying a bunch of stuff that contradicts itself and is weird like it's it's a it's probably because you can't freaking remember when what you were going to say you know what it's funny because i i sort of agree with you but there's there's something consistent about scott which is a he had whatever job he had was very leisurely because this guy right constantly either fishing or playing golf right he's up doing white people activities but it's weird it's like he just bounced between

those two like he i read at some point in his adult life he owned five boats like he was just constantly doing these activities and and i mean so i'm in a part of me is like i don't know was i fished I was like golf and I don't know. Part of it is that too. So again, as with the mistress from our Chris Watts story, she is kind of the unsung hero. The second this story got attention because of course it did because A, Lacey and Scott are good looking white people. Yeah, you can say it. And she's missing and she's pregnant and there's no evidence of anything. So like it immediately went into the national attention territory yeah at which point amber went to the police and basically pointed out three things said i'm dating scott scott told me a single scott even told me two

weeks before lacy disappeared that he is a widower not good yeah which i think drew peterson did too if i remember correctly i think drew peters also said that his living wife was dead so amber agreed let the police record phone conversations with Scott. During one of these calls, this is crazy. And I remember this from what it originally happened. And they called it. I was like, oh, my God, I remember this. During one of these romantic calls they had with each other,

this is like days after Lacey is missing. Scott told Amber that he was in Paris for the holidays with friends. Do you remember this? Yes. He was at Lacey's Candlelight Vigal. Like, she's not going to fucking see that on TV. So crazy. Like, what are you talking about?

like she's going to find out dude like this one this one always say when in any situation the cover up is almost always worse than the crime oh my god so stupid because because it is

it is these little spots of details that the jury strung together to say like because we'll find this out later on there's actually no direct evidence that he did anything till they see it's all a thousand little things that he did him being an idiot

like there's just a thousand little things that they tied together like what um it's just so stupid to be like ah i am in paris like oh i'm looking at the isle tower like what a weird thing to say like oh i decided last minute to fly to paris with my buddies for christmas it's late here like whatever one idiot this doesn't make sense yeah because given time zones she would have She would have thought it's like 3 a.m. Because a candlelight isn't held at like noon. No. It's only candlelight.

And at that time, it's, yeah, it's just, man, not good. Not a smart guy. Did you ever watch the show, alias with Jennifer Garner? No. It was like, it's like, kind of dumb, but a very like 90s action show. But she was a spy, but she would pretend that she would always go to San Diego for business. But like, really, she'd like go to China and, like, do spy things and come back. And I'm like, why don't you just say you're going to China for business?

Because you're still trying to have something to, like, call people and make stuff up. Like, why wouldn't you just be. like oh i have to go china so they would they would think of the time zone whatever i thought that was dumb she was always like in san diego when like why not just tell them where you are or like i don't understand it's funny when you initially said that i thought i'd probably prefer to say i'm in san diego than the same in china because you got to answer a lot more questions when you go to china than when you go to san diego i guess that seems fair but then it's hard to keep the truth up anyways

Scott isn't an espionage professional so there are very few which is another part of our yeah themes yeah so after the bodies were discovered police put a track around Scott's car

because they thought he was going to run away to Mexico this is Modeste California he was raised in San Diego and he's in the Loyola area he could easily just hop over to Mexico and just disappear if he chose to that's what they were worried about I think I mentioned

Scott's arrest in one of the previous episodes it might have been the Chris Watts one but the day of the Lacey and Connor's autopsy or sorry the days after that autopsy happened

Scott decided to go play a round of golf in La Jolla and it was here at this this golf round of golf game is when he was arrested he this is so funny to me he died his brown hair he'd never died his hair he had never in his childhood

teenage years or adulthood died his hair but he did this time he died his hair blonde he had 15,000 dollars in cash in his car he had survival gear camping gear a ton of extra clothes multiple cell phones two IDs he had his own ID and his brother ID and his brother looks kind of like him and he went golfing this is all found in his car and he goes golfing which is just phenomenal that's all all stuff that innocent people do yeah exactly it's like it's like you're obviously not going to get out out on what is it when they give you when you like you on cash bail bond parole bond yeah but you're not going to get out because like you you clearly have all the signs of someone who's about to start

about to make a run for it he ends up getting charged with two counts of first three murder and pleads not guilty his trial started on june 1st 2004 which would have made it one of the first major tv trial so this would have been seven years ahead of casey anthony and nine years ahead of jodi arias other two massive tv trials it's again worth noting there is absolutely nothing directly tying scott to the deaths of lacey and connor nothing like there's no camera footage there's no confession there's no he told me here say alibi like none of that which is crazy he was just acting weird about it the whole time but we don't but there's no like here's what happened which is like is he a genius no but what happened that's crazy we don't know

what happened yeah we really don't know what happened we have we have a lot of different piece of the puzzle we can put together so the prosecution said scott created four homemade cement anchors and tied those to lacy's body and dumped her in the ocean again her body was discovered four months after she was in the ocean probably at the bottom of the ocean until her well and actually her limbs came off yeah exactly so she was at the bottom of the ocean until her limbs came off and then she floated the top so there's nothing left there's nothing left to like oh she died of asphyxiation like what she's wide open so they don't know they don't even don't have a cause of death for really wow the events had a host of arguments uh they said that sonar equipment used to find the anchors

couldn't find the anchors they said that some random prostitute killed lacy they said that the baby found was full term which would have meant that she had been kidnapped and that she'd been held by somebody which would have precluded scott they're basically throwing whatever like could try to defend him like there really wasn't much to it the prostitute thing was somebody was still in their mail but that started happening like two months after lacy disappeared and scott reported that's like whatever oh he reported that yeah yeah it didn't really report lacy exactly and yeah like i said by contrast prosecution really couldn't tie him to the murders in any way uh they just had all this circumstantial evidence that pointed to him having some involvement

there were some things that he did that indicated he knew she wasn't going to come home so for example days after she disappeared he added porn channels to his home cable setup which would indicate well nobody's going to know this is here because nobody's coming home he sold her car, the car that she had. She had like basically a generic mom car. He sold that and bought himself a pickup. So it was like, well, we're going to need this car that has room for a back seat in it. So let's get rid of that one. And then the serial recordings of Amber Fry were also played out in court, which definitely did not make him look good. No. So five months after the start of his trial, Scott would be convicted of first degree murder for Lacey's death and second degree

murder for Connors. He was ultimately sentenced to death by lethal injection. In 2020, Scott appealed his sentence due to a number of proclaimed errors with his trial, including improper jury handling and allowing of evidence that should not have been admitted. This went to the Supreme Court of California, which upheld as a conviction, but they overturned the death sentence because there was basically a death penalty question during the jury selection period that the trial judge allowed in without proper follow-up, and they said that that could have been enough to get him the death sentence if it wasn't for the judge not asking proper follow-up questions. Basically, it doesn't really matter, but like during the sentencing phase, they'll ask the jury like, or during the jury selection phase, they'll ask to people on the jury, hey, how do you feel about the death penalty? And somebody says, I'm opposed to it. And then you're supposed to follow up with that and say, does, does that mean that you would be incapable of rendering the verdict or the sentence if the law proclaims that's just? And you're supposed to ask that. And if they say, no, I would.

wouldn't be able to do what the law says because that's how I feel about it. Then they kick you off. But he didn't do that. You just stopped with like, I don't believe that. He kicked him off. So basically, they only got pro-death penalty advocates. So they're, it makes sense. The conclusion makes sense. Sure. Obviously, there's more appeals that are flying through all this. There was another one that went to the California Supreme Court in 2015. It was based on the fact that a jury, a juror lied during jury selection, but the court decided that that wasn't enough. And so they basically said that, yeah, the juror did not tell the full truth, but it was immature to the case anyways. So he's still in prison. They

took away his death penalty and rendered a sentence of life imprisonment. So he's going to stay there. He's not up for parole ever. And that's probably where he's going to end up for the rest of his life. So on the Scott Peterson's innocent side of the aisle, really, it's mostly his family, though I'm curious to hear your theories on this as well. They launched an org and a website that's called Scott Peterson Appeal.org, which makes you wonder, what is Scott Peterson.org? Because was that already taken? That's a great question. I see it. Saking justice for Scott, Lacey, and Connor. Yeah. So they, they described their version of events and things of the state kind of failed to prove. The website's actually pretty thorough. It's a pretty sizable amount of content on

there and they've actually uploaded the entire trial to a drop box folder that you can download and watch yourself some of the facts they point to are kind of indisputable and do seem odd but don't necessarily point towards innocence so to your earlier point for example one thing they bring up is that he'd invited his sister-in-law over that night for dinner the night that he allegedly killed lacey and he also offered to go pick up a gift basket that lacey and her sister had order for the grandpa and then deliver the next day, which, yeah, why would you do that if you were planning on going home and killing your wife that night? But I don't know, maybe it wasn't as premeditated as we would think it is. Right. And like, well, first of all, I don't love that this website has

like a painting of them being like in love and like holding her belly. Like that's weird. so I think that I can agree in I think a fact is Scott Peterson is a creep you know he's like a creepy guy he did some creepy things he's like kind of gross but he didn't have any violent tendencies before this you know and like there was like nothing that would like be like oh he was going to kill someone and the thing that I listened to or I learned about was like I don't know if this is true. I don't know if you've heard this. There was like a ring of people kidnapping pregnant women in the neighborhood. Did you hear that? That sounds vaguely familiar. I did not read that in this research

though. But like, just like pregnant women were going missing around this time in that area. So like... What for sex trafficking or... I don't know. Yeah. But like, you know, like I feel like there, I don't... That part is weird because like gas, like you said.

Like he, you know, had people, he invited people. over he didn't like act like he had murdered someone there's no evidence there's no like blood there's no anything but but also like the stuff that he did he's not like the best husband and dad ever he probably just like didn't he probably felt relief they didn't have to do that you know because he had all this other shit going on but but i don't know i'm not 100% convinced that he did it yeah i get that i kind of get that well now i don't want to be So it grew very long, yeah. Well, so, so what, so a lot of the jurors were interviewed after the fact, and they all

point out that if the body hadn't been found, the circumstantial evidence was not enough for them to tie Scott to it. Yeah. Because it is all circumstantial. Like, there's nothing actually saying. I mean, they, okay. So the other things that the family keeps pointing out here is that they, the cadaver dogs that were, they were brought into the house, did an alert.

Mm-hmm. But, like, if he killed her and then just truck her bottle, like, there's nothing, there's no odor that is going to form in that time frame. So I don't know. They said that there's something inaccurate about how Scott would have had to have disposed of Lacey's body. They said that he would have capsized the boat if he tried to dump her body the way that they think he would have because the boat wasn't a big boat and probably wouldn't take a 142-pound body hanging off the side of it. But again, like, I don't know. Could you tie that to a buoy? Could you tie that to something else? stabilized it that way like maybe maybe it did capsize the boat small enough where you just flip it over like I don't I don't know yeah there was also this this um they they were received 24 sightings of lacy after she disappeared around the city but then I looked this up yeah but this when I looked this piece up by comparison there's been 55 sightings of Bigfoot's since the mid-1900 people say she like crazy people do crazy shit and they're going to talk right so yeah and if you're like think you you're trying to look for like a pregnant lady

like you'll see pregnant ladies all the time everywhere you know like once you start thinking about you'll see that's funny yeah because i don't think that like i think i'm missing i'm missing the the motive i feel like the like what was lacy like was she was she excited because she was super excited i mean that's why she literally just watched martha stewart videos because she's trying to be a mom and like it's all excited that she's about to be a mom she's 27 year old girl like she was was probably psyched i wonder but but yeah to this day he's still in jail and i don't see a universe unless some huge monumental fact comes out i personally do think that he did it because yeah but he's not a criminal mastermind i know it's always a spouse it's probably like it's definitely

like the simplest what's it called the occum's razor the simplest thing is always the right thing so so you say that the criminal master thing but again this was 2002 so i don't even think the iPhone was out until like 2003 and when it did come out like very few people had it and when it did come out there was no internet on it's like all yeah all the device tracking that exists today today to do what he did you would have to be like a mega genius to get away with it like just made it yeah he just went past the cuss when the iPhone 3g came out and like luckily would didn't have one because there was no cell phone tracking right so they couldn't go back and forth and i doubt he had a boat right yeah yeah he had a boat did he go out on

the boat christmas eve yeah he said that he went well at first he said he went golfing oh right right and then he said that he said he went fishing yeah yeah but again there was no tracking on the boat it's not like today when every motorized vehicle has like a mini black box and that tells you how was the accelerator versus the aileron right and you're like constantly being recorded and like yeah yeah so so i don't know i think i think you're right he probably i mean he probably but because he was he also he acted so fucking weird afterwards and so i think it's fair that that's the evidence that like he didn't do himself a single freaking favor he's at his wife's candlelight vigil calling his mistress from paris like it's just crazy yeah not from paris pretending to be

pretend to be for my i i do love the whole dye your hair and do but it's like to just don't play golf today today's not a golf just go to me keep going yeah yeah like he's definitely like in maybe in his like dumb head he was like oh i should you know like i can run away you know or like this is what i need to do or whatever but yeah yeah i keep picturing him uh him probably just strangling her to death and then being like oh what have I done and then like I got to figure I got to fix her in the water yeah yeah yeah just like getting mad and doing it yeah yeah so maybe she found out about the mistress and got into a fight with him and he got mad because she was in a fight with him and I don't know you don't know what makes people pop off I know but that's what that also lends credit it's like yeah he didn't have violent

tendencies but you don't know like that's true I don't know anything like what I don't know anything about their like life really yeah so Amber pray is on Instagram she looks good I followed her she has 5,000 followers she's very happy she's religious now

or maybe she always was oh she's a pampered chef consultant you know pampered chef mean like she like it's like it's like a like a wee like a Tupper party for pots travel adventure family Christian

L.O.A what's L.O.A I have no idea yeah she looks happy yeah I think well I think you're definitely right that he's never getting out of jail and this website his family made is crazy and this everybody on facebook you can probably read these posts forever over there like justice blah blah blah and i'm like i don't know yeah what's

what's it's he going to do you know like i don't know i feel like lacey just she looked she's real cute she looks real fun it's too bad she married a jerk off damn amber is definitely living her best life yeah for uh he looks like ben afflick when he's thinner yeah i mean yeah he could have gone a different route just divorce your wife if you want to have a mistress it's fine a lot of kids in single family homes like 100% you'll have a kid it won't be as he won't be as close to you as you want and it'll be fine you'll be fine just leave just you can abandon your family that's fine you can abandon your children that's fine just don't kill them because now everyone's life is ruined there's no connor lacy's dead and he has to live in freaking jail for the rest of his life

so you're not you are not a criminal mastermind you don't know many criminal masterminds yeah well you don't find you don't find criminal masterminds that's for sure yeah they don't find you if you're not already doing it you're never going to do it and that's our lesson of the day that's our therapy session for psychopaths oh man thank you for listening i feel bad for i mean obviously that's terrible poorly so that's our show cool thank you do you want to give any shout-outs today or no um oh well definitely thank you to uh friends my friend ben and my friend lani both like separately reached out to me and they really loved it so i really appreciate that our friend And Andrea also was on a long train ride and listened to it.

She was really liked it too. So super excited that people who are listening like it. And we're going to think of ways to get it in more ears. So that's our next step. I know we saw that a couple times. But we're going to get it in front of more people. We actually have an action item now and we just need to execute on it. So pretty good.

Yes. This is the last time you'll be hearing to us without us being super famous. Oh, this is it. This is our last. No more going to the grocery store, no more going to coffee shops. Yeah. No pictures. Say goodbye to your anonymity, Taylor.

It's over. That's great. Yeah, please continue to follow us on social, Jim to Fail pod. We're on YouTube. We're on everywhere listen to podcasts. If someone's like, how do I listen to a podcast? Just suggest Spotify to them. That seems pretty, one of the easiest ways to get one.

If they have an iPhone, they can do Apple Podcasts. There's Google Podcasts as well. We're on all of those. So take a look, tell your friends. I don't know if you have any ideas. And don't tell your wife. Don't even shoot her in the head. Even if she doesn't die.

Don't even shoot your wife in the head. Don't even. Don't even do that. I know it seems like an obvious answer. She won't die. I know it seems like an obvious solution to your problems. Yeah. But just try to refrain from shooting your wife in the head.

Yeah. Do you want to live the rest of your life in jail? No. That sounds terrible. So just leave. Go right now. I'm going to go get cigarettes. Never go, never come back.

Go get cigarettes. That's how people were abandoned in the 50s. Yes. Yes. Awesome. Well, thank you, Taylor. Have a great safe drive to L.A. And a great time there.

And yeah, we'll go ahead and let this off. Thanks, friends. Thank you all. Thank you.