Doomed to Fail - Ep 18 - Part 1: BFFs Gone Wrong - Bernie Tiede

Episode Date: March 29, 2024

Once upon a time, Bernie Tiede became BFFS with an old lady - she wasn't very nice. Eventually, he killed her. A tale as old as time (it's not that, but it's a tale).Join us for re-release of Episode 18 part 1!  Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

Hi everyone. Welcome to this week's re-release. Today we are re-releasing episode 18, part one, on Bernie Teed. And Bernie had a friend named Marjorie, who was older than him, and she wasn't very nice, but did he need to kill her? I don't think so. You can probably just, you know, stop talking to someone rather than kill them. Like, most likely 99.9% of the time, definitely do that. Um, this will move, movie about this story. It's called Bernie. I actually haven't seen it. But it's with Jack Black, but I wanted to tell you all that I watched the recent Jumanji. Jack Black is just, what a gift to humanity that that man exists. So, um, hope you enjoy this week's re-release. And as a reminder, we are re-releasing our first 26 episodes that we did two stories per show. Releasing them one

at a time. So you can listen to them on their own. And we'll make it to 26. We'll have to think of something else to give you on Fridays. But for now, um, enjoy episode. 18, Part 1. I'm Bernie Teed. Thanks. Tide? I don't know. I can't remember. The matter of the people of the state of California versus Hortonthall James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country. Look what one got me. This was the visual part. Booh. Okay, Taylor's showing me a sign that says on air. It's like an old tiny. It takes me back to watching Frasier.

I used to like to watch Frasier. Does it look backwards to you? No. He screenshot it. It's backwards to me. It says on air. There we go. We got it.

All right. It's very exciting. Now my lights on and I'm ready. Good, good. The light that only you can see. The light that only I can see. So, yeah, we'll go ahead and kick things off. Hi, everyone.

Welcome to Doom to Fail. I'm Fars, joined here by Taylor. Hi, Taylor. How are you? Good. Like trying to figure out where to put my on air sign. I feel like it needs to be like... That is not on that problem.

I'm going to put it on my door, I think. It needs to go outside. It needs to be something that you can like trigger. Taylor just got a lovely on air sign. One of those old-timey ones that radio people used to have. And it looks great. It looks very professional. Just like us.

Like a ring light. Just like us. We're super professional. Super profesh, as always. So per usual, we're going to be doing two stories. One historical, one true crime around relationships that were doomed. to fail. And we, I think I go first this time. Yeah. Yes. Okay. So why don't we start by you telling us what your drink is, Taylor. I will then segue into my drink and story. Great. Um, today I'm drinking

holy water. Straight from Jesus's breast. Loving nipple. I don't know or holy, you know, blessed water. Is holy water any water that a pastor? Yeah. I remember. I remember, like, I used to, look, there was a Catholic church that my mom had to go to a couple times when I was, like, a water fountain. And it was like, this water fountain has been blessed. Like, the pipe had been blessed that, like, went to the little fountain that had the thing. So that, like, covered it. So you didn't have to bless, like, all of the droplets of water individually in, like, the bird bath that you put the baby in. It feels cheap to do it that way. That's all. I want every vessel to be blessed as the water comes into it. me too absolutely I'm perfectionist though you know that about me so yours is a holy water which I don't think you're supposed to drink but what do I know I can't hurt I can hurt it's good to be hydrated yeah yeah yeah it's Jesus water hydrates better than regular water

it's like gatorade it's got electrolytes my dream today is prickly pear because we are going to be covering a rather prickly individual in today's true crime story and it takes place in Texas, which is not the home of prickly pear. I feel like that's more of like a New Mexico or Arizona thing, but you can definitely get some good prickly pear juice in Texas as well. So just like the juice of a prickly pear? Not like a prickly pear margarita, just the juice of a prickly pair? It was funny is when I was researching this, I actually looked up prickly pair recipes,

and I found the margarita one, and it looked so good. And I was like, write it down. And I got into researching the story, and I forgot to write down the recipe for the prickly pear. There's someone here in Joshua Tree that, like, I follow an interesting. who has a prickly pear in like a store or something and they made they made a prickly pear margarita and looked really fun it looks delicious it looks incredible yeah it's a lovely color it's fuchsia so just so everybody knows because y'all might not know fricely pear it's a cactus but it's a cactus

that has that little flower at the very top that's like a very very bright fuchsia color and that's the thing that you can open up and drink which like if you're ever in the desert you can open a prickly pair and drink that and you'll be fine well you'll still probably die but But that's mostly from the animals that are going to mull your bones. Yeah. So, okay, my story, thank you. My story today is about the relationship between a man named Bernie Teed and Marjorie Nugent. Have you heard these names before?

I don't think so. Okay. You will probably remember as I go into this because this is actually a pretty famous case. Bernie was actually famously played by actor Jack Black. in the 2011 film by Richard Linklater titled Bernie. Do you, does that ring a bell? No. Damn, okay.

I will say this, if you haven't seen it, you should. It is an amazing movie. It is so fun. It's fun. It's funny. It's dark. It's witty. It's clever.

The ambiance of it is just fantastic. Jack Black plays a fantastic character. And Shirley McLean is kind of like the, I don't know, the his other lead in the movie and she's obviously amazing and everything she does as well but the movie itself and the story that i'm going to go into both kind of hit the tone of what we essentially classified as dark humor because um it is about murder but it is fun it's a fun murder so um it does say and this i feel like is ties to us it says the book is based on it's called in the garden of east texas yes yeah i'm going to write so it's not a book it's an article

um got it and i'm going to reference that article a lot because that was the origination point so richard link later are you familiar with him the director i'm going to say yes yes and then and then ask you confused okay it was funny because the way you phrase i was like i'll say yes as long as you don't ask any follow-up questions i'm looking at up now i can answer now that it is that i'm on um Wikipedia but yes yeah no he's a he's great he's great his movies are fantastic um he's an austin native this story takes place in east texas which isn't terribly far from austin and so it got a

lot of press coverage in texas monthly when it was published and that was a basis that article was the basis for everything we're going to discuss here including the movie so let's get into it uh so So I'm going to get into the story here in a minute, but first I just want to set the tone of how people in the city where this took place felt about the individuals that we're going to be discussing. And again, the names are Marjorie Nugent. She goes by Marge and Bernie Teed goes by Bernie. So here's Marge in the movie. Is that Shirley MacLean? Shirley McLean, yeah.

So here are direct quotes from that article you just referenced. Okay. One of them says, quote, if I made a list of piece, If I made a list of people I knew were going to heaven, Bernie would be the first on that list, end quote. Referencing Marge, quote, if she had held her nose any higher, she would have drowned in a rainstorm, end quote. This is from a city councilman named Olin Joffrean, who said, quote, from the day that deep freeze was opened, you haven't been able to find anyone in town saying poor Mrs. Nugent. People here are saying poor Bernie, end quote. Spoil alert, Marge ends up in a deep freeze.

So that's where this quote comes from. So let's get into the story itself. So like I said, so this is a Texas town. It's called Carthage. It's in East Texas. It's very, very close to Louisiana border. It's a very small town. It's completely flat.

You can look up Google images of it. It is just like this small Texas town. It reminds me of the town in Napoleon Dynamite. It reminds me of all the little cities that, um, that Anton, sugar from no country from old men visited yeah it has that kind of a feel to it so you know it's a very little type small tex town like the people there are just exactly what you would expect is predominantly white it's lower middle class uh and that's generally like the personal types these people just go to church they go to church they go to local diner they

just live simple lives i'll put it that way what's interesting is for some reason that i couldn't totally totally honed in on carthage was just full of these like rich one-off individuals where these people made money in oil in texas and then would relocate to carthage to die basically for some reason there's a bunch of those there that also segues into march and her story as well but getting into burney burning himself was a funeral director in carthage so he's a portician I actually hadn't thought about this before I started researching this story, but if you're in a small town and you're a funeral director, it's kind of like a powerful position to have. So it feels kind of like almost like a sheriff or a pastor because at some point, nearly every person in that town is going to have to interface with you in some way. And you're going to have to solve a very, very complicated, emotionally charged situation for them.

And so you kind of like get this kind of might as touch. of everybody in town needing to know you and liking you in large part. And Bernie was exactly that. He was beloved in Carthage, like absolutely beloved. He was a happy guy. Take a look at his pictures. He just seems like somebody who's just constantly smiling. Like he, he does not have a bad days. Rain does not fall on him when he walks around. That's how I see his pictures. Have you seen this? Are you looking? I'm trying to find him in real life. What's his last name in real life? T-T-I-E-D-E. Got it.

This is a silent portion of the audio medium that we're using. I see. Oh, I mean, great casting. Great job, everyone. Right? Yeah. He's super, yeah, he's just a super likeable guy. He was a community guy.

He always was. He was super involved in his church. He was on choir, inquire, whatever you say, however you'd phrase that. And he also had a habit of going, like, above and beyond for his clients. So he had a habit of after the services for weeks and weeks and weeks onward, checking in on his clients who are usually old widows or widowers and just making sure they're doing okay, bringing them food and things like that.

He was just such a nice guy, you know, like I don't, I'm trying to, I feel like I knew someone like this in high school and a party was always like, ah, what are you hiding? Why are you trying to be this nice? Like there's nothing, there's got to be something behind those, those. gestures um so the article that i referenced for the story there's there's two of them one of them you already referenced there's another article i referenced well that one is called the bizarre story of bernie teed in the real murder case that inspired the movie bernie by neil patmore not a very creative title you could have probably cut that in half but it is what is uh and in that

article it was said that he was widely regarded as the nicest man in town bernie was so that's one side of this equation, this angelic human who just loves to serve his community and everybody loves to be around. On the other side, you have his former client, Marjorie slash Marge Nugent, who met Bernie as he took care of her late husband's funeral arrangements. So like I said earlier, Marge's late husband was one of these uber rich dudes in the oil industry who made a ton of money. Marge was actually originally from Carthage. And so whenever, they got into their twilight years he decided hey let's go back to carthage uh and settle down there they bought a huge house like way too big for two elderly people who can barely walk 10th

through without falling down it is estimated that his net worth that he bequeathed to march was somewhere in the range of 10 million dollars give or take yeah he i mean they were like they bought a bank tailor like that's the kind of money they owned the only bank in town that's money these people had yeah that's money and that's power exactly influence power all of it uh so contrasting her reputation to bernie's her reputation was the meanest woman in carthage oh so bernie manages marge's husband's funeral and per usual starts following up with marge this is part of his routine just making sure that she's okay what's going on and in doing so he noticed that she has nobody like he'd go to the house and there was just nobody it's

just this woman sitting alone in his giant house with nothing going on had a kid totally estranged literally nobody liked her nobody wanted to be around her yeah that was her that was her general vibe so she was basically sat alone alone in this house and bernie who by all accounts this incredibly empathetic human being, just felt so bad for her. And so he made a point to go out of his way to spend time with her. He'd go over there, he'd hang out, he'd go out to dinner together, and they started becoming kind of a thing. So they didn't even go so far as to take like these international trips.

At this time, Bernie would have been 39 and she would have been 81 years old. So she wasn't, he wasn't in a relationship. No, by most accounts, people assumed he's gay. Yeah. People in Carthage assumed he's gay. And, and I'm actually going to go to a quote that was like great. It was such a, it's most Texas quote calling someone gay you'll possibly ever hear. But they would start going on these trips together. So they were becoming kind of like a thing. And the article you quoted earlier is what I'm going to quote here. So that is called Midnight in the Garden of East Texas. That's by a man named Skip Hollinsworth, who did all this research. He did a fantastic job. He was, he like basically lived in Carlin. to like get the story out he would talk to people the talent folks everything and um in in one of the diners he was at when people brought up bernie and the idea of him dating a woman somebody said this is a quote you can tell he's never been deer hunting in his life quote end quote like that's the way that he said that they all thought he was gay but nobody cared don't i mean everybody makes texas out

to be this like prejudiced place say most nobody gives a shit texas is beautiful because nobody cares what you do you just do your own thing and nobody bothers you and nobody cared that he was they was they thought he was gay. They were like, he's gay. He does what it is. He's a nice guy. It doesn't matter. So at some point, uh, during this friendship, relationship, whatever you want to call it, Bernie to his credit never said they dated, but everybody was like, it's weird. They sleep in the same room and are always together. So who knows what's happening? Bernie quit his job to basically just manage Marja's business account, uh, business, become a business manager, basically. She had all these different interests, right? Like she had the stock portfolios and she owned a bank and she,

was all this bills had to be paid so i'd be taking care of she eventually made bernie the sole beneficiary to her will and instructed bernie that upon her death her family was not to get a dime of her inheritance and the way wills are done you can't manipulate someone into doing this you there's there's got to be attestation there's got to be witnesses there's questions around your competency the duress like bernie didn't force her to do you her to do this. She just did it on her own win because this is the only person she had in her life. This relationship with Bernie and Marge, just like every other relationship Marge seems to have with another human turned abusive. Bernie would later state that, quote, she was just so controlling,

she felt like she could own me. And I guess to some degree she did. And quote, you see this in the movie. There's a great scene in the movie where there's like an armadillo or a possum in the backyard and she's like, kill it, kill it. It's going to come in the house and she gives a gun to Bernie and Bernie just can't bring himself to hurt it. And she's just like bantering him and saying what a wussie is. Like that's probably the exact vibe that this woman had with him. Yeah, she sounds awful. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, so three years after this arrangement started, Bernie would eventually shoot and kill Marge at her home in the driveway shooting her in the back with a gun, like one of her guns, a 22. And he would take her body and wrap it up in sheets, put it at the bottom of a deep freeze, a freezer, and then pour put food on top of it to make it seem like there's something going on.

When this event took place, Bernie had full control of Marja's finances. So he had power of attorney. Not only did he get the inheritance. I mean, he wouldn't get the inheritance now anyways because at this point, nobody knows she's dead, so there's no will to be executed on. But he had full power of attorney. So he could write checks anyways. You could withdraw money.

You could do whatever you wanted with her bank account. So with the knowledge that she's dead and that he now has access to these millions and millions of dollars, burning starts basically just being a philanthropist. it is estimated that he distributed somewhere around two million dollars of margins of money through various different philanthropic endeavors he would pay people's college tuitions he would offer scholarships to people he would buy to old cars who needed vehicles he would donate to the church and like there was one story that um I forgot what it was something it was something about I remember there was a there was a trophy

store in town so this this town this sorrow just made trophies and one year it was going to shut down because there was not that much business obviously and the team that the girls team or something had just won some basketball or softball thing and he was like he paid the store to stay open for the next like year so that they would have the time to make trophies for this team because he thought that it was bad that the team won and they didn't get a trophy but he was just you're just a sweet guy really you're just such a sweet thoughtful guy there was definitely a trophy store in my town growing up yeah yeah i mean i don't recall having one but i never won a trophy so it doesn't matter um so all the while while this

is going on he's telling people that marge was either sick or that she was out of town on a trip or doing something for nine months. And for those part, nobody cared. Yeah, because on the one hand, Bernie's awesome. He was awesome anyways. Now he's awesome because he's awesome just giving everybody money. Second, March sucks.

So who cares if she's not around? Nobody cared. So everybody wins, basically. So it is worth noting that amidst all this stuff that's going on, there's also like weird litigation happening amongst marge and her family because the husband divested everybody but marge of his inheritance marge is making claims and has in fact divested everybody of the rest of that inheritance and so all these people are jockeying to understand it's kind of like when and Nicole smith's

husband died and then all the entire family just poured in and started suing everybody saying like who's going to get the money who should get what that's basically what happened here So despite the fact that nobody actually gave a shit about Marge's well-being or what's going on with her, they cared to the extent that she was part of litigation that had to be addressed as related to the money and the will. So her death had obvious financial impacts, and so they needed to stay on top of her, not because they gave a shit about her well-being, but because they needed to know what to do next with the litigation. So her estranged son, Rod Nugent, he lived in Amarillo. Apparently, he was successful. He's a pathologist, a doctor, he has a family there doing his own thing. And he obviously, given that he's an Amarillo and he's totally estranged for his mom, has no insight in what Bernie's doing in Carthage.

So at the nine month mark, nobody, no lawyers, no family, nobody's heard of Marge. And Rod decides to go to Carthage to be like, what's going on? Let's go to the house and figure out what's going on. So he goes with his daughter to Carthage. They let themselves in. They walk around the house. No sign of life. Nothing going on.

It's worth noting Bernie had his own house. So he wasn't there. Right. I was going to ask, do you live there? He didn't. He didn't. Marge bought him a house. Like gave him a zero interest loan to buy the house, but then she died.

So he just bought the house. Eventually, they would uncover her body in the freezer. And obviously, Rod reported this to the police. The police immediately showed up. And the first person they questioned was Bernie though. For sure, Bernie that did this. So he immediately admitted to killing. I mean, you look at this guy and like he's not like a savage.

He's not a guy who's going to like have to get worked over with a good cop, bad cop routine. He's a soft guy, right? Totally. So he immediately confessed to killing her. I'm going to go into my usual legal procedure mode here for a minute. there's a pre-trial concept known as change of venue, which just means moving a trial away from where the events that are subject to that trial took place to ensure a fair trial. Yeah, like if everyone knows you, you can't.

Right. But, but no, so this is interesting. This is different than what you're perceiving there. Usually the reason to do this is because the defendant could not be afforded a fair trial in that area because it's presumed that everybody would hate them. So, for example, Timothy McVeigh wasn't tried in Oklahoma City. Like, none of these guys get tried in the place where they do the act. Yeah, you couldn't.

He would have been like, well, he died anyway, but it would have been faster if I'd been in Oklahoma City. Yeah, yeah. I mean, they would have fucking dragged him out of the courthouse and lynched him in the streets. Like, I mean, it would have been terrible. But well, not terrible. That probably should have been a good thing. It would have been great. Yeah, yeah.

So in this case, the prosecution, because usually it's so interesting because it's always the defendants that ask for change of venue. you because they're the ones who are trying to ensure a fair drop. Yeah. And here, the prosecution has with the change event because they're trying to get a fair drop. And they asked it because they're like, everybody fucking loves Bernie and hates March. So there's no chance that this jury pool is going to convict this guy of this crime. Oh, my God. And so that's what they ended up doing.

So it's called jury nullification. It's when the jury basically says, like, we know you did it. We don't care. So it happens. Like every now and then it happens, but it's rare. But in this case, they're like, that's going to happen. So Bernie was ultimately found guilty of first-degree murder, and he was sentenced to life in prison. And this happened in 1998.

That's when he got sentenced to life in prison. It was obviously not a good experience for Bernie. He was immediately attacked by his fellow inmates because he's in there for first-degree murder. You're in there with, like, cartel guys. You're in there with like MS-13 gang members. And you see Bernie, this chubby guy with this beard who like wants to sing in the choir and praise Jesus all day, like walking in like, of course he's a mark. Of course you're going to take advantage of that. So he, he, regardless of his horrible experience at the onset of being in prison, he eventually did find his knee.

She's just one of those guys who just fits into, he's like water. He fits in any container you put him in. So he became a pillar of the prison community essentially. So he was regarded as a model prisoner. he was part of the prison choir because of course he was he would teach health classes to inmates and again everybody knew him loved him the guards loved him the inmates loved him he was just as a fantastic guy all around fast forward 13 years to 2011 okay the movie bernie comes out and there's an austin-based lawyer named jodi cole who saw the movie and reached out to richard link later to learn more about the case because Richard and the Skip, Skip Hollinsworth, they worked on the screenplay together. And they had a ton of background information

on this case. She would learn a detail about Bernie's life that we don't know for sure is true or not, but was corroborated through, like Bernie never talked about it, but it was corroborated through journals that were found of his, which is he was sexually abused as a child by his uncle.

So based on this and based on some research that Jody Cole ended up doing on what happens to someone when they're sexually molested in a young age, she asserted in an appeal she filed on behalf of Bernie that because of the sexual abuse and because Marge was abusive to him as well, he basically went into this disassociative state, which basically just means like you're just distant, right? Like you just don't, you're not really all the way present to what's going on. And because of that, that's the cause of this murder. And You can't put all the blame on, on Bernie for it. So the judge did by this and did state that if I had known that, I probably would not have sentenced him to the extent that I sentenced him at a time.

And a new trial was set not to determine guilt because he was obviously guilty, he confessed to it. It was set to determine the sentencing and to re-judge the sentencing. In the interim, the judge released Bernie on bail. on the condition that he lived with Richard Linklider at his Austin home, which he did. What? That makes no sense. Yeah, they're like, you're under this guy's ward. As long as you're under this guy's ward will allow you to be released, basically. That's so weird. It's one of those things. I mean, Richard Linklater is kind of like an Austin institution

the way like Willie Nelson is, right? It's like, we trust him. So that's why you can be released to him. So he lived with Richard Linklater from 2014 till until 2016. So at the resentencing hearing, which then took place in 16, Marge's son testified about how sweet and loving a mother she was. And, you know, so much of that just like smacks me of like, we just aggrandized the dead. You know, like when someone's dead, it's like the whole don't speak ill of the dead. But it's like, nobody felt that way. Like you didn't feel that way. You didn't talk to your mom for nine months. Totally.

So again, like the entire family was estranged from her. She voluntarily removed her kids from the will and it was clear that like there was not a cohesive thing going on between the family. Right. It's not like they were going to be friends. No. Yeah. What's funny is during the trial, the county commissioner for Carthage who knew Marge like really,

really well, said Marge actually told him specifically, quote, I'll spend every dime of my money before I leave it to my family. she fucking hated her film and these guys were showing up in courts and like she was a she was a loving mother and she was this and that's like they want her money and they should i don't know it doesn't sound like there's a good reason for them not to have it just that she was a bitch well then okay so here's the thing in this situation nobody gets the money so the way it works oh because it went to bernie and he's in jail it was yeah so there's several things going on one is what's called the slayer statutes and the other one is called it's cheating to the state so a slayer statute says that you can a person who kills another person cannot become the beneficiary of the person's inheritance that seems fair which means it skips Bernie and goes to the state which is called it's cheating to the state so like the state ends up getting that money so none of it ends up going to the family anyways so that's where that's where that ended up i'm i'm sure the son sued the state to figure out like how he can get his hands

on the money but yeah and i think he should yeah yeah yeah Yeah, fucking awful. So Marge's sister is a woman named Merrill Rhodes, and she was also at the resentencing hearing for Bernie. And she goes, quote, I was always afraid of her. I never forgot that she was my sister. I always loved her as a sister, actually, even when she did ugly things. And she did, end quote.

And then her son, who's Marja's nephew, said the portrayal of her aunt by Shirley McLean in the movie was completely accurate. And out of all the abuse, she would hurl his way. It's like, I don't know. I don't buy Rod's perception. Like my mom, his mom was like a loving woman. It's like, I don't know. Smells like a duck.

Sounds like a duck. You know. Yeah. So I don't know how I feel about this. But like ultimately, Bernie didn't get much better of a sentence. He ended up receiving 99 years. But he became eligible for parole. So he's eligible for parole in about six years from now.

So in 2029, he's going to be eligible. At that time, he'll be 71. one years old and we'll see what happens but it's like a weird two years out yeah yeah you got two years out yeah but it's it was it was you should read that article the i mean at least read the first half of because there's a lot of stuff that i didn't put into this that that i read in there which was this the diner talk the diner talk around carthage where you have like the the sheriff of the city you have the prosecution who were like this guy killed an 81 year old woman in all these people are coming up to him in the diner saying go easy on bernie he's a good guy and he's just like

what is going like this this is i mean this associative state like what is happening like why you like what the trigger was like what happened they don't know we don't know what the trigger was at least i didn't read i didn't understand what the trigger was presumably it was just like abuse just like yelling and screaming and being a being a total b and him just losing him like whatever i'm just going to kill you i can't take this but what's interesting is like they asked Bernie, they were like, why didn't she just like get rid of her body? Because the prosecution did state that if they hadn't found the body, they never would have been able to charge him with anything. And he was like, his, his quote on this is because everybody deserves a good funeral.

I was wondering what his martician is, because I feel like as a mortician, you'd be really good at hiding a body. But also maybe you have like that, yeah, like just like that, that like loyalty to giving someone a burial the way that you done it for so long. that for so long that's so interesting because yeah you figure like if anyone would know how to do it right yeah i mean i thought that his move was pretty good of just stuff in the body in the freezer like then it's not going to rot and you know who goes digging in the bottom of freezers besides rod i know it's it's interesting that they found her in there i feel like but the most part you'd be like oh i don't know yeah because you got a wonder like well they wanted her well they wanted to like deal with it like if she's dead then they can work on her

inheritance do they know that it was going to bernie i don't think they knew that no no no The trouble were strange. They didn't have any communication. And the will, and because nobody knew she was dead, the will was never executed on. So they wouldn't have known that anything had gone anywhere, any of the money had transitioned from one account to the other. Right.

So it's a really interesting story. The movies, phenomenal. Like, it's not a sad movie. It's, it's fun. I really, really, really did like it. No, McLean is definitely worth to watch. She's awesome. And she plays such a mean woman.

Oh, she's so good. Like, she's so freaking good in Sue Magnolias. it's like unbelievable and that was like 30 40 years ago um i know that you're a texas person um but i also just want to say again that people should not have guns you know he just like left and not killed her like what would he have strangled her you think no he's too soft he's too soft for that yeah there was somebody did his sister did bring up like why didn't she just leave and it was something about like She just controls everything because at that point, she was everything to him. She was his finances.

Like, she bought his house. Like, everything was wrapped up in her. Which is, like, super manipulative. And, like, that's something that, like, people who are like that, they do is they, like, make you really dependent on them. And then they abuse you. That's what an abuser does. It's like the spouse, you know? Yeah.

Like, they'll be like, you can't leave. You don't have a job. You don't have any skills, you know, whatever. Yeah, it's interesting because it's actually the exact same story we keep telling ourselves over and over again. except it's reverse. It is always, it's usually older man, younger girl, rich or man, poor girl. In this case, it's the exact opposite. Like, super, a feminine, docile dude against, like, an old rich lady who's just, like, super alpha, like over the top. Yeah. But, yeah. Your question about the guns is interesting. I guess if you didn't have access to it, he probably would have just tried to leave her or something. I don't know. yeah but anyways uh that's that's the story and like red flag wise i i don't know because i don't know

if i feel bad that he killed her because it feels like she deserved to die well i feel like i feel like it's a red flag that like i don't know those relationships ever work out well you know where like someone is like depending on you to like do stuff for them and they're like paying you but they're like oh we're just friends i'm going to like give you some money but then like it always turns weird you know that you're like you can't take like a $200,000 interest free loan from a friend and can remain the same level you know you'll always have that to hold against you in like whatever way yeah so we said that marge is dead no percent okay nobody gives you should be dead anyway yeah okay good good that was uh that was very that was that was probably the least

gross story i've told and probably it wasn't very gross i i was it wasn't very gross i i i will watch this movie jack we haven't we've been watching them or they just want to see uh maria brothers and jack black plays uh bowser oh nice i want to see that movie too yeah it's cute did you go too no they went while i was gone but they keep playing the peaches song because bowser's like in love with peaches and he plays a song about peaches and i don't know they love it they keep playing it nice nice so in your case we're drinking holy water yeah just like pretend like Thank you.