Doomed to Fail - Ep 18 - Part 2: Our Favorite Demon Hunters - Ed & Lorraine Warren

Episode Date: April 5, 2024

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Hello, Taylor from Doom to Fail. I'm here with episode 18, part two at, oh my God, how much do I love this story? Like, honestly, just so much. This is a story of Ed and Lorraine Warren. They were, if you don't know, but you should know, I'm sure you know. They were like spiritualists and demon hunters. Their book is called Demon Hunter. I have it. It's so good. And they, you know, would go people's houses and get rid of their ghosts. And they are famous now because of movies like The Conjuring. and the enemy evil horror they were like they were involved in that somehow um and i mean i don't believe them i think that they are um i think they're making it up but i also don't care um and we'll talk about this sort of at the end of this episode but i mean if you like think that you're possessed by a demon and someone comes to your house and is like you're not possessed anymore and you feel better than who cares, you know? So, I don't know.

I think they made it all up, but they're very, very fun, and they brought us the conjuring movies, which are some of my absolute favorite. So, yeah, listen to this story. I also may or may not have summoned a demon, so it's not possible during the story as well. So let us know what you think. In the matter of the people of the state of California

versus Horthall James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your question. country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country. Playing a pitcher song, because I was going to be a song about peaches, and I know they love it. They keep playing it. Nice. Nice. So in your case, we're drinking holy water. Yeah, just like pretend to like splash it on you and make the sign of the cross. Good. Okay, done. Close. Close. Okay. Oh,

yeah right yes um now we've we've we've blessed ourselves um cool so i will okay i don't know i don't know what i'm doing i thought this was going to be two parts now i think it's only one and i kind of changed what i was talking about in the middle of raiding it last night but i'm just going to do anyway so i started um researching this like a couple weeks ago because i knew that i was going to drive to L.A. I'd have some time in the car and, like, have some time to listen to books and stuff. So I did that. And so it's a huge story. I have a lot of thoughts, but I just wanted to talk about, like, a little bit of it and then, like, a history of something in it. But the story itself kind of takes place in the 1970s, so not super long ago, but like, it's still in the past. So I'm going to do some things. I'm going to lay out some facts, and you tell me who we're talking about. I'm going to have you guests again.

Okay. Okay. So we're going to talk about a couple things. This couple of themselves and their history, Talk about Folly, Adu, like two people kind of leaving something weird and the history of exorcism. Can you think of a couple? I have another. Oh my God, the Warrens! Yes, the Warrens. Good job.

Good job! I love that we have the exact same diet of media. Like, we just like, yeah, on part. I was going to, my next hint was going to be some of the best horror movies and the most handsome man in horror, Patrick Wilson. Is that the guy who plays the man Warren? Yeah, he plays Ed Warren. Okay.

Our friend Jay and I like swoon, we talk about it. He's so handsome to us. Jay Godfrey swoons over Patrick, whatever his name is? Yeah, totally. Patrick Wilson. Maybe not swoon, but he loves him too. But then I also, one time this is not anything to do with this, but Patrick Wilson also can sing. And he played curly from Oklahoma on Broadway and, like, that's all the things.

He's so handsome and I love Oklahoma. So it's very exciting. So he's the best. So yes, we're talking about Ed and Lorraine Warren. So they are demonologists, mediums, public speakers, exorcists, authors, collectors, and Marcus Charlottons. Yeah, he calls him Christian superheroes. But essentially, I don't, I do not believe them.

I think that they are Charlottetons, exactly. They're 100% Charlottance. Their history is like just being complete deadbeats and then finding a niche. Like, yeah, they just like struck, they just struck gold with a niche and it's all lies. It's all fucking Aeneville didn't happen. Of course. I'm going to do next week. So we'll talk about all the movies later.

I was going to do that next week, but we'll just do it now because it just was like, this has been a lot. So, yes, exactly like you said. Like in Amityville, there was a horrible tragedy that we'll talk about. about they were making stuff up and the infill case in infill case in england that was all made up by the girls so the stuff is all definitely made up but so i'm reading this story and here's the following things that happened to me so i read their book the demonologist and then i bought it because it's kind of fun so i have it here the demonologist right of lorraine warren and it's fun and the guy who reads it reads it in a long island accent which is also very fun because that's like

they're from connecticut so it's like that so this is um i'll put the picture but that's what they look like not as handsome as patrick wilson's in iRL so okay so i'm listening to their book on the way home from when Miles and I had dinner with you, and I hit an owl. It's not crazy? That I hit an owl with my car. It's fine. I just had its wing. But so I was like, whoa, listening to this thing about demons, and I just hit an owl.

And then my radio, a different time, went to a weird setting, and it was like typing your code, and it kept going 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6 by itself. And then my Arlo is keep telling me there's a person in my backyard, and there's no person back there. And then my Alexa, he's playing music for no reason. So I'm like, did I summon a demon? Probably not. But like, Miles walks in the background on two. Miles, you're, you're summoned the owl, haven't you? Oh my God. All right. I'll be right down. Okay. So anyway, all those things happened. I thought they were kind of crazy. You know, so I was like, if you look for demons, you're going to find demons, which is exactly the

point you know so the owl thing is kind of freaky though like that's not like a weird like I mean yes technology glitches but like alice have consistently been a top topa of death and you hitting one is weird it flew away but that's so weird right I've never hit an owl before yeah I was like ah I give a car it's a wild one miles was like what is that happening also there's a new I wrote am i the algorithm or is the algorithm me because there's a new conjuring series on HBO coming up soon. So, like, I'm just like, I don't know. Did I know that when I said we did this? I don't know, but that's coming up soon. I was also in a hotel all week this week, so I was watching the Unexplained on Netflix with William Shatner. There's a couple episodes about demons that are

fun. He looks terrible. Looks like he's a dead person telling you the show. He looks super old. But there's an episode where a lady is like, I think that my house is haunted. It came with all this furniture. This chair right here. The guy died in it and they found him a week later. I was like, of that chairway. Yeah, why was you one thing in your house? Yeah. So anyway, it's fun if you were going to watch that. So Ed Warren was a demonologist, which is essentially like he studied demons.

He says he's the only person allowed to perform exorcisms or recognize for them outside of the Catholic Church. I'll talk about more of that in a second. So their story is in the, it's, you know, in the 1970s, 60s, but I want to talk about exorcism like as a historical thing. in different religions as well. So another thing for the, that's fun. So the book demonologist is fun. Some stuff that Ed clarifies in the book, it's like written by them and another writer who like wrote it.

You know what I mean? It's like sometimes it's in his voice. But for the record, many times exorcisms, like they're not ghosts. They are demons. So you're not talking about a ghost, talking about demon. But he's saying that ghosts do exist because of things that are like,

This kind of makes sense where he's like, of course you see ghosts of Victorian women in houses because that's when like the oldest houses that we have were built and women died in them all the fucking time, like having babies and stuff. So like, of course, if you have, if you bring her newborn baby into an old Victorian house, there's a really good chance that there is a woman who died in childbirth there that's going to come and try to look at your baby in the middle of the night. And I'm like, I feel like that makes sense. What do you think? What do you feel about that? How do you feel about ghosts? So I do think that when I was, when we were working with the Biltmore, that I saw a woman, I do remember that.

And I just convinced myself that I didn't, you know? But I was like, but I know I did. Yeah. You know what's the last place, the Black Dahlia was seen alive? The Biltmore lobby hotel or the lobby bar. Yeah. Yeah. No, I am, I was playing in that back unfinished part of the Biltmore. And I was playing Pong with somebody else and they whacked the ball past me and I tried to like spin to get it.

And as I spun, I saw a woman standing behind me in all white. And then I got, I like finished the spin and I turned back around and there was somebody there. Okay. Well, I am obviously like not religious and I'm saying there's no demons, but like I believe you. Fuck, that scares me. But I mean, to be fair, I was, I also vividly remember being like six years old. And my mom asked me to get something from her room and seeing Skeletor there, like Skeletor standing in her room. Does your mom have a Skeletor poster?

No, it was like a real Skeletor. And I saw it with my eyes and was like, and then I look back on like, I was probably playing with a Skeletor doll. And then just imagined it, you know, so. Well, so yes. So that's actually, that's the thing. So Ed Warren is like, I don't believe in like a literal flaming hell, but he does believe in like the dichotomy of good and evil and like light and dark and like one thing or the other and like that there are other things happening in like different planes. So I feel, it sounds like something that like I could maybe get on board with is the idea of like a spectral plane, time has no meaning, different dimensions, something collected of unconscious like in your head. Like there's a lot more going on and like our brains than we know, which like I think. could account for some of that yeah yeah i can mind that yeah um so anyway that's just i'm scared a little bit like i i feel like i see ghosts at my house sometimes they're like corner of the eye ghosts they kind of like it kind of swish past you know i mean like someone there you're like no it wasn't so um but we're not talking ghosts we're talking like actual demons like agents of the satan himself

every once in a while like satan will show up on these stories like as like a physical thing And so for exorcisms themselves, I'm sure that like everything else, it happened for all time because mental illness has happened for all of time. You know what I mean? So like if someone is like schizophrenic, there was schizophrenic people in the middle ages. And of course you're going to be like, this person is possessed by something because you don't understand. They don't even understand it right now, really, you know. So for good measure, I looked up a couple things, just like give myself some background and like figure it out. you can go to catholic dot com and get the words for the right of exorcism so they actually have like all the words that you need to read to perform an exorcism and it does say this is the fun part so i'm going to read this part of the of the prayer yields therefore yields not to my own person but to the minister of christ for it is the power of christ that compels you who brought you low by his cross tremble before that mighty arm that broke asunder the dark prison walls and led soul to the

falls forth to light. So that has like power of Christ's compil, which is the fondest part. That's what he else. That's actually in the exercise right, isn't there? I also wanted to look up, also like those are talking about Catholics, I can't not bring up that since 1940, 4,392 U.S.

based Catholic priests have been accused of molestation which is 4% of them. So like, and also Protestants in the past 20 years, they've identified 380 sexual abusers and there's a headline that Southern Baptists are like due to be in a lot of trouble. I just wanted to bring that up, too.

I'm talking about the church. No, that's surprisingly. Yeah. So in other religions, in Buddhism, there is the practice of reciting or listening to the parita. So that is reciting certain verses in scriptures in order to ward off misfortune or danger. So that's kind of like an exorcism. Eastern Orthodox religions, they distinguish demonic possession from mental illness. And the way that they do that is by seeing if the person reacts negatively to holy relics.

So if you're like having visions, they'll like throw. holy water at you. And if you're like, you know, I'm wet, then they're like, he's maybe having like an episode. But if you're like, it burns, they're like demon. Make sense? Yeah, it feels like a movie, but yeah. Yeah. Mormons sometimes do it. In Hindu traditions, people can be possessed by behoots or preface. So the relentless and often relignant beings kind of like ghosts that can like possess people. So that's what people, that's what Hindus believe. It's in Islam. It's in Judaism. It's in Taoism, interesting, Sikhs do not believe in demons. They're like, no.

So there's no, like, seek right of exorcism, because they're like that, they don't exist. So no. Yeah, so in that, okay, so in that hypothetical, could anybody be possessed, could I be, if you're Muslim can be possessed by like the Catholic devil? I don't know. I think by the fact that you're Muslim, the devil,

the demon is Muslim. Okay, I'm trying to prove, poke holes in the possession thing by saying, well, then how many Sikhs have ever been possessed by anything? But if you don't believe it, then you probably can't be possessed by it. Oh my God. We just watched Zoolander, and that reminds me, he goes, how many aboriginals do you see modeling? Yeah. So anyway, so I also wrote, find me on my sidecast exorcism.

Dot, dot, dot, what? I'll be doing those episodes soon. Sweet. Yeah. Let me throw it. Have you ever heard the theory that exorcism, do work for mental illness because it's a placebo effect of like if you think you are possessed then you think that the remedy is the exorcism and it solves the problem yeah i kind of think

i kind of think that that might be what the warrants we're doing i'll talk about that actually have that written in the notes later but yes exactly like i think maybe if you think that your house is possessed by a demon and you need to move on if you have these two whackadoodles come into your house sprinkle holy water everywhere like do all these things and they say like this house is clean and they leave you're going to be like well fuck this house is clean problem solved yeah exactly

so like I don't know that's nice by all accounts they're nice people they're like trying to do the right thing so maybe that was like kind of a part of it to you that like people feel better after we do this so we're doing it you know right right so anyway we're talking Catholic exorcisms in a timeline is

in AD 70 the gospel of Mark was written and that's where he first writes that Jesus casts out evil spirits. There's some stuff in the Bible, a lot of animals and other people are being possessed by demons, so it's there in the Bible. And like I said before, like, this is probably something that was in, like, every religion before this as well. In 1526, in 1526, Martin Luther adds exorcism to the baptismal rights. So we know, like, Martin Luther started a lot of things, and we talked about this before, because we were talking about the Protestant Reformation. We were talking about Henry the 8th.

And so, like, Anne Boleyn died 10 years after this, because that's when he got, like, the idea to separate from Catholicism and all of that. But in a sense, and I hadn't really thought about this, but a baptism to like a baby is an exorcism. Baptism to a baby is an exorcism. Yes. It's like a light baby exorcism. You pray over them.

You bring the holy water. Their parents are there. Afterwards, you have to change clothes. Like, it's just, it's like a little tiny exorcism. You're like getting all of the badness from being born with sin out of the baby. And then it can, like, go and make its own mistakes. So that's what it is. Catholics have been really into it for a while. Protestants are okay with it, but they don't love it. They did it as more of like a community festival

and not like tied to one person and probably more like performance art of like religion. And then in the Renaissance, and then when Shakespeare was around, there's an exorcism in King Lear and one and 12th night. And then you get to the Puritans. And so we talked about them a little bit before in the past two. They came over to America. They're spooky. They believe in witches. And they hateful. So they kind of believe in like that being possessed, but they don't do exorcisms per se, but they do like try to kill the person who possessed the person like we saw on like the witch trials. So then a bunch of bad stuff happens in America and then first just dropped something. He didn't. And then. And then we're in the 1900s. And so what happens in the 1900s is Pentecostalism becomes a big thing. People start being born again, speaking in tongues. And like doing. creepy weird stuff like again and um from history dot com's article i read they said quote pentecostalism's high energy worship worship services and the lure of the possibility of

receiving supernatural gifts from the holy spirit caused the movement to attract new members that continue to grow throughout the first half of the 20th century so they're like we can like get powers from god now you know jesus can like actually literally heal us and like literally do these things. So people kind of sort of believe in like weirder things. And then in the 1960s, Catholic started to think about exorcism a little bit and they're like starting to like do them a little bit. And then the exorcist, the book, comes out in 1971. So the same thing happened with when like there were exorcisms in 12th night in Shakespeare that happened when the exorcist came out is that people started to like need them more because they saw it culturally, you know? Yeah, makes

sense. You've seen the exorcist, obviously. Oh my God. I've seen it so many times. I think they're remaking it, actually. Are they? I hope it's good. Have you read it? No. No, I want to see the movie. Have you seen Exorcist? It's Exorcist 3 with George C. Scott with a nurse. It's like the scariest, like, seen in all movies. Yeah. Yeah. All of them. I've seen all of them. They're all fun.

So one thing, and I says a little bit about some of the conjuring movies and like what they're titled as well. Like, I took me until reading it to realize that, like, it's about the man. It's not about the demon. It's not about the girl. It's about the priest. The exorcist is the priest who does an exorcism. And it's about him and, like, his journey and then, like, 50-year-old, spoiler alert, he dies. Yeah, yeah.

I just, like, didn't. I didn't think it was about him until I was, like, reading it. And I was like, oh, it's about his story. Now the story of, like, Pizzou. See, it ties into all these things. I'm talking Pizzou, we're talking to the Puritans. We're talking Henry the 8th. All of it.

That's right. Pizzu was the demon that got Regan or Reagan, whatever name was. Yeah. Yeah. So now it's like out. Like it's in like the 70s, people are thinking about it a lot. Like they're scared. My mom and my dad and my uncle went to see it in the theaters. I remember my mom was like unimpressed. My dad and uncle were like this is the scariest movie I've ever seen. Yeah. My mom and dad talked a lot about The Exorcist as one of their favorite movies. It was like the first time I went saw horror movies because they're not horror people. But it sounds like the exodus was really like a cultural phenomenon. It wasn't like a genre specific thing. Like every. Everybody had to see The Exorcist. Yeah. So that's awesome. Yeah, super fun. So, okay, now let's talk about Ed and Lorraine Warren.

So Edward Warren Minnie was born in 1926. And Lorraine Rita Warren was born in 1927. They grew up very close to each other in Connecticut. So they lived in a small town near each other. They got married in 1945. And their daughter, Judy, was born in 1946. So like you said, they're kind of like bumbling around. like Ed was a bus driver for a little bit.

Lorraine was like a homemaker. They're trying to figure out what they wanted to do next. And Ed was also a painter. So if we think about the Conjuring movies, Patrick Wilson is always painting. And I feel like we've talked about this before like where you want to like, you need to set up some sort of like deal with your spouse or like you believe them. So like one night, if I'm ever like Juan, it was raining teeth in the house. He's going to be like great.

Let's move. You know, like he's going to like believe me and move on. But if I'm like, if I'm like, Juan, I had a dream about. this like terrifying nun and i just drew this picture of this demon in my dream he'll get me professional help you know like less it's not normal like in the movie like several of the movies lorraine will like wake up and he'll be like painting this like terrifying thing you're like please don't do that in the house but also just don't have a demon room don't have a room where you contain all the demons because things are going to happen they absolutely have that

yeah and like i don't believe it but also like don't do that don't test it like because Because that doll, that doll's a real doll. That doll's in on Key West, I think, right? Like, that's a, I forgot where the name of the doll was, but it's actually in the house. We'll talk about Annabelle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'll talk about that story. But yeah, no, it's, like, real, real.

Yeah. So what we decide to do is they're also kind of interested in, like, the, like, the occult and all of that. Lorraine has a sick sense and doing a little quote things. So she's, like, kind of psychic, can kind of, like, do things. She can, like, sense presences. She sees oras. you know, all the things that Lorraine can do. And so they do a thing where they find in the paper cases of haunted houses,

the people who think that their house is haunted, and they go and they stand outside their house and they paint their house. And then they go and they talk to the person about the hauntings, and then they sell the painting later to be like, this is a painting we did of a real haunted house, and we went and talked to the couple, and here's what happened to them. So that's how they kind of like wiggle their way into people's haunted houses, haunted houses and started to like think about that as a thing but how did they even get the idea

they were just like we are he wanted to paint and she was thinking about like all of her like being kind of psychic and six sense stuff and she they thought they could channel it into haunted houses okay they're not being more of that but that's what that's what i got from their book yeah fair enough yeah so the conjuring movies definitely show them being like super super in love and they have a back story and they were like married forever and they were definitely married until he died and then I also found an article

in The Hollywood Reporter that there's a woman who sued the Conjuring movies because of that because she says that he she was 15 years old and she lived in with them and she stayed with them for 40 years and she was like a second wife

and lived with them. Yeah, I don't believe it. He looks like a man who has secrets. Yeah, so he made it a secret. But they ended up through their paintings and through like going around and talking to people in haunted houses doing these things where they would like do many exorcisms and they would like you know tell people there's a demon in their house and they would like cleanse the house and they would get the clergy involved when they needed to get the clergy involved so they're sort of like a first step into someone who could like really help people and like you said before like they're really nice they're really sweet they like really genuinely seem like they want to help people whether or not like they do they're doing like a real thing or not they traveled all around the country they did tons of public lectures so they were like really out in the field all the time you could just like call their house and they would like answer the phone

and come and help you and they collected like you said tape recordings haunted artifacts they had that occult museum in their house unfortunately it's now closed after they've both passed but it was you know you can see it in the movies and it's kind of just like that it's like a room with like a bunch of like creepy shit that they say it's tied to all these cases and then they have like a priest come bless the room and they keep everything like in certain places. Anabel, and I will talk about this, when I talk about Annabelle, but Annabelle is a

raggedy and doll, which is so much scarier than anything in the whole entire world. I thought it was a monkey. No, Annabelle's a raggedy and doll. There is a monkey, there's a monkey and conjuring one. Okay, okay. Right. No. Well, I thought... Hold on. But it isn't

like the thing. Annabelle herself is a raggedy and doll. I don't know if you've never seen a raggedy and doll, but they're fucking creepy. And have you ever seen the omen? yes the original one there's also a raggedy ann doll like in a grave in that movie and somehow and i'm like fuck raggedy ann dolls are so scary that is terrifying absolutely not no whatever my mom had a really scary doll in her in her room and she can't find it it's been lost for like a couple years i was like mom i was like it went back to hell like it is out of our lives i have a friend a friend

who i've known since high school and i used to go over to her parents house every now and then to hang out and they had this section of the house underneath the staircase where the mom had put like a wagon and in the wagon there was a bunch of pillows on top of the pillows there was this porcelain doll making face because i'm real mad that was that was so scary like i still remember it i mean i saw this thing like 23 years ago for the first time and i still remember it yeah it was dead eyes black dead eyes just scaring at you and i'm right i asked her about it like years and years and years later I was like what was up with that dog's like my mom just loved it my mom just loved this doll and that's why it was always in the house was so creepy we have one person

one and I was like is this worth anything it'll get up and it was like no and I'm like I don't want to throw it away because my friend's going to come back but I also like don't love it yeah it will come back that's how it usually happens definitely not now when I have all this like energy around me from the all these demons so just a little bit left before I talk about the movies for a second like so did they really believe themselves or like was it a fally audio situation where like two people believe in something that's like so over the top that they just like really really really believe in it or was it like you know do they believe it because the other person believes it do they believe it or they do they believe it enough that like it helps people anyway like you were saying like

you have someone come in and say that you're fine then you like feel fine one thing that they do that they did in like one of the religions that I mentioned before I think it was that you and Orthodox, where they, like, use a lot of physical objects. So they have the physical objects in their museum. They use crosses. They use the holy water. So they're, like, real things against people who are, you know, potentially possessed. And the thing in the, in the conjuring movies that I really liked is I felt like that

was one of the first times that they portrayed. But, like, I saw like a ghost or a demon in a movie that felt like a real physical form. And I feel like that was intentional because, like, you know, the conjuring when, like, there's, like, those arms that come out of the wardrobe and clap. And then there's, like, that, like, demon on top of the wardrobe. Like, that's good the shit out of me. And I felt like, because it wasn't, like, ethereal ghost. It was like, this is an actual thing that can hurt you, you know?

And so, like, I think for Ed and Lorraine, like, they were really helpful to people because they were like, it's not you. You have something hurting you. You have a physical thing that is hurting you. And that's what we can help you get rid of, you know? Yeah. Yeah. It's also criticism, especially because they're, like, all of our work is, like, really, really scientific. And then people are like, but you based it all on God.

so it can't be so that's actually the thing that like i will be a contrarian and say i really don't love the conjuring movies you don't i love them you're going because it's um the matter-of-factness of the way they discuss or present their opinions and thoughts is so cringe to me that's exactly what they were like exactly that they definitely get right because they're like god is real demons are real this is real like they're acting like they're acting like they're giving thesis statements at Harvard and it's like you're a bunch of like you're pulling stuff out of nothing there's no science at all in this like yes yes exactly exactly and so we had some and there was a 1997 interview in the connecticut post and the new

England skeptical society which sounds fun they said they found the couple to be pleasant but their claim of demons and ghosts was quote at best as tellers of meaningless ghost stories and at worst dangerous frauds so like it's like a little bit of both but yeah you can't be like like they say everything like it's fact there really isn't like a wiggle room for what the stuff they're saying yeah we'll assume that what they did help people right but how many people did also inspire to have these thoughts of like this is what's happening to me too yeah they didn't get that help that help yeah like was it happening anyway like there was that german exorcism like annalisa woman um during that time too and she just had epilepsy you know like

there's like there are cases of people in like Latin America and South America dying because they live in small towns as an adequate medical care so they'll call in someone to do an exorcism and you're like that person really needed to go get a hospital yeah you know they didn't need you to do all these things with them that ultimately like leads to their death because there's so much of the stuff going on right yeah so they but they were very successful in their life they went around the country they toured they wrote books they were like 10 books they ab died in 2006 and Lorraine died in 2019 so So she kept the museum alive until she died, and then it went to her daughter and her son-in-law. And that was closed, but I don't know why that happens. But, yeah, they just, like, lived this really weird life going around helping people and, like, really seriously, there are demons way. Did you make sense? Yeah, sorry, I was trying to find a thing because I heard that they sold the rights. No, it wasn't them. It wasn't them.

It was the Lutz's. The Lutzes sold the rights to their story for $300,000. It was like, man, that was a bargain. So, okay, so let's talk about the movies. So some of the movies that they're, like, involved in, like, when I didn't write down is, like, in Poltergeist, which is also fantastic. The woman is supposed to be based off of Lorraine. She's, like, an older woman who's, like, a psychic, you know.

But the Amnitville story, so in real life, the house in Amnadeeville, Long Island, the son of the Defeo family killed everybody in the middle of the night. He said a demon made him do it. He probably was just, you know, schizophrenic having an episode, something else. He killed his whole family. And then the Lutz's bought the house. They were married. Lutz was the stepdad to the kids.

It ruined the kids' lives. I watched a movie, a documentary of their son. And their son's like, my life is fucking ruined because of this. Because he's like, what I believe? Like my parents were telling me there were ghosts here, but like there weren't really. but everybody knew who he was after that and it was just like pretty awful how that happened to him so is it widely now

accepted that nothing in that movie was or the story was accurate I think so I mean I've heard that people overheard that the Lutz is in the and the Warren's laughing about how much money they were going to make you know so it's like one of the thing and nothing's happened in that house since

like no one was there since but it has like a ton of movies that are great I watched one about this like haunted lamp that like Patty Duke was in it was like really good It was like Amityville, there was an Amityville dollhouse movie that I watched from the 70s that was like kind of made for TV movie, but like they're great and it's super fun and really scary, you know, when like Lutz falls into that closet full of blood. Is that the original? Because I don't remember that from the remake. Yeah.

Yeah. I thought that, so by contrast to conjuring movies, I love the Amityville movies. Like I thought those were fantastic because it was, it didn't, it didn't go into this whole science aspect of like possession and stuff. It was just a fun, scary movie. I still think it's scary. That whole scene of Ketchum, the guy who would torture Native Americans and bury them in that crawl space. Like, you remember that from the remake? No.

Yeah, Ryan Reynolds found a room in the basement that led to this torture chamber underneath the house as where this guy, this European guy would torture Native Americans. And also, by the way, it's worth noting that I don't totally buy that Ron Defeo did that on his own because everybody was found on their stomachs. He shot them with like a 45. He shot them with like the loudest gun possible. And they were saying like maybe his sister helped him and then he goes her. Did you hear that? Yeah. Yeah.

Well, yeah. I heard, I heard that like they were like romantically involved. Oh, yeah. yeah and and i also heard that like his dad was like actually a legitimate mobster and maybe like there was something going on with that but i don't know i don't know the story itself is really creepy i will say that taylor knowing me as well as she knows me when i got my house in austin she sent me a house forming gift and it's the sign that hangs outside of the lutz's house on the night that ron killed his entire family and it just says high hopes on it and i put it up in my house and people

come over and they're like why is this like 38 year old man like have decorations that like a 70 year old woman in Carthage would have you know it's like no no no this is cool it's not weird it's not like a live laugh love exactly it's not a live laugh love it's a murder thing it's it's way cooler it is really cool i got on Etsy yeah and like i did also like in one of the documentaries with like the kid that grew up and was really like haunted like literally haunted by the whole thing he they were like yeah there was a red room in the basement because we just like had red paints he painted like a room red and you're like okay well people are going to be mad about that but that's but that's at annieville the house goes up for sale every couple years but

like no one no one's been seen anything there since for the annabels would you would you sleep in that house i wouldn't i would not sleep in that house five people were shot to death every room no i don't know there's a body in every room in that house like that's yeah i'd definitely not sleep in like the attic rooms have like the eye windows you know like that's a hard now for me Yeah, yeah. But I'd go there, but I'd be scared. You know, I'd be scared. Yeah.

So the Annabelle story is about a doll, that raggedy and doll. And the movie, in the movie, in the beginning of the conjuring movie, they do the animal story the way that, like, it really happened, which is these two nursing students got this doll, and they were like, then it started, like, weird stuff started to happen. Like, it was always moving around the house. And it started to, like, leave little notes on paper that they didn't have with a pen. They didn't have that it would, like, miss me. I'm like, right on the wall.

all, which is so scary. And then they tried to throw her away, and she came back and all these things. And they were like, a little girl named Annabel died here. And we like let her into the doll, but it wasn't a ghost. It was actually a demon. And like it scratched to a boyfriend and all this like super fun stuff. There's a lot of animal movies that go back to like Annabelle creation. And like they're fun, but that's not like the real story of Annabelle. Right. Right. So the conjuring, the first one that I really like in that story, the family had actually been in the house for like 13 years before they started having problems and another thing where I didn't think about the title just like in the exorcist like they don't really talk about in the conjuring

movie they're like oh a woman who was like related to the ghosts and oh no maybe this is a different one like a woman killed her child here and like started to make everybody kill their children and like that's what had happened but like in real life one of the daughters tried to summon a demon and that's what a conjuring is so like I don't know like I took that word word for granted but like they um a conjuring is like conjuring a demon so the girl was like into it so her parents bought her a book and one of the rain are like is like there's always books on the occult you got to be careful because if you read one and you do it the wrong way you're going to let something like really scary into your house you know so that's what happened in that story and in that story in the book the less

or the sorry the warren's book and what they say like really happened was that when it was over they left and they were like just so you know this isn't like totally gone but it's like mostly gone and they're like what do you mean and then something took is what they say so they took Lorraine's glasses off of her face and threw him on the ground and they were like, just don't piss it off again, which is hilarious. I know there's a nun movie too as well with them because he did have those like nun dreams and he was a painter, but there's like more to that story that I don't know a ton about. But the last one, oh, okay, Conjuring 2 is about the Enfield Poltergeist in England. And they were like barely there. They were like there for a day.

They weren't really involved in that story at all. The other people from like the society in England that went and stayed and really researched it were there for like almost two years it lived with the Stanley for almost two years but it's like it was obviously the kids it was just the girls you know missing about yeah and then conjuring three makes it no fucking sense i've seen it like three times i have no idea what's going on like there is a story where the warrens went to help with someone who had said that he was possessed by a demon when he killed his landlord but is that the devil made me do it yeah okay it's like that case is real then there's also this like whole part where i get super lost where like they find a cave and there's like this like really tall woman who's like the daughter

of this old man and she does a thing and like just i still don't know what happened and i've seen it a lot yeah yeah i never that's when i didn't watch again like i just fell out of love with the conjuring movies i'm just like uh also i also find that woman who's the one who becomes possessed really fucking annoying and i don't like watching her Rebecca Taylor and conjuring one? Yeah, I think that's probably her name. That's fair. That's fair. Yeah. Yeah, that one I really like, because it has some of the, like, some of the things that are, like, so scary to me that, like, like, the having your sheets ripped off of you in the middle of the night, you know, like, stuff like, oh my God, I would, like lose my mind if that was something that had happened to me, you know? So, because it's like, it's like the real tangible stuff that they show in that movie that I felt was, like, new as far as, like, ghost stories and, like, hauntings went. Because it wasn't like, there's a murder in my house. It was like, there's this, like, physical being in my house that's haunting me and, like, like, Yeah. I think that's super scary. And like super I think that they're fun. I will definitely watch The Conjuring TV show. But I still think maybe like the real Ed and Lorraine Warren aren't what I want to continue to learn about. But I still want to watch. I don't know if they're emerging and Patrick Wilson are in it. But I still want to watch them together. Yeah. I want to like watch Patrick Wilson and like insidious and all the movies that he's in because he's so handsome. Insidious. That was a good one. Man, there was a there was a time period there when like all those movies hit at once. they're so good.

Sinister. Do you remember Sinister? Sinister? There's like an article and it's like, what are those scariest movies of all time when Sinister is number one? Just because like the couple of things that happen, people's heart rates like went out of control. Like just like out of control. That was me. That was me. I that was one of the few movies I watched

where I regretted watching it afterwards. It was that in Babadook and Lights Out. Those were the three movies where after I watched it, like, I really don't want this to live in my head anymore. What's light? out so that's the one where there's this ghost who just fucking christ yeah yeah it's this spirit that only shows up when the lights are turned off so imagine you watch that movie and then it's

bad time you're like this this is okay i don't even want to i don't even want to have this screenshot up on my computer ever again no that's real scary yeah well Yeah, that's it. Exorcism isn't real because demons aren't real, but it's interesting that like every culture has it and that people still do it. And there's times when you're like, oh, they've been more during this time or less during this time in history. And I think that's because of like what's going on in the world. Have we heard about exorcisms recently? Is it like being written down in popular culture? So like you might think you have to have it. Are you like unable or unwilling to understand pieces of mental illness? You know, like is that something or like physical illness? where you're like, why is this person acting this way? Because like, like, also we've talked about like lobotomies and like one little jiggle in your brain and you're a different person, you know? Yeah. So like one little like weird thing happening in your head, like you could potentially

completely change. And that can be really scary for people around you, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It, um, I was thinking about the Michael Taylor possession case where he turned into a demon, but it was because they like believed it. exactly like he ripped his wife's tongue out and then clawed her eyes out and killed her like

like he acted like that but it was because it was like no no no dude you you have a demon in you like you're actually possessed and it's like well if you tell someone enough shit he's gonna soak into their psyche eventually yeah like what yeah exactly like what does your brain what do your brain create you know so we're like i don't know i feel like art my takeaway from that is be careful about you know things that seem super crazy but if but also like do what makes you feel good like if you can fix yourself with the placebo I guess you shouldn't you don't know that but if you do you could you know like I think that's okay I'm a no on demons but I'm a yes on probably on ghosts but I don't know what it means okay so you say that Taylor you say that but here's where

like the rubber meets the road if I found a book and I found all the little accruci I would need to summon a demon. But I was like, Taylor, I want to do this, but I'll only do it with you and I'll only do it at your house. Would you let me do it? No, I don't think so. There you go. Because I wouldn't either. As much as I mock religion and spirituality, I still don't want that in my life.

Oh, totally. Well, there's like, I thought I forgot there was a Ouija board as well. So I'm like, I don't want to do that either. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So, okay. We don't believe, but we don't want to test either. Yeah, I'm not going to, like, rock the boat.

I'm going to save you to my room after this, and we'll be fine. Yeah, yeah. Creepy. Creepy. Yeah, but they're fine. I mean, I think it's like, the two of them were just, like, so, I guess it's also, maybe there's a red flag of, like, working with your spouse and, like, spending so much time together that you, like, start to really validate each other.

Like, with anybody. Like, if you're with someone, you're just yassing each other forever, you know, like, things can get weird yeah they're good for them they found their niche you know yeah they probably them alone and there were probably added like multiples of billions of dollars in movies and books and oh yeah there's a number absolutely yeah yeah so which ones which ones do we which ones do we attribute amityville insidious the conjuring one two three which to your point that one's called the devil made me do it which is an actual case where they legitimately tried to prove that the devil exists legally,

which is crazy. The Enfield, poltergeist, poltergeist itself, right? Annabelle. Annabelle. There was a, like, a 1990s something, the nun.

There was a TV movie in the 90s called The Haunted. I've never seen that. Oh, The Haunted in Connecticut, as well. Okay. As them. Yeah, that's what I have. Definitely do it. Annabelle, Enneville, Conjuring, Hunting, Connecticut. There was also that made for TV movie The Haunted

that I've never seen that I want to. There was something they did at West Point. That was fun. That could definitely be a movie. I mean, I think you could keep going. Yeah, because, I mean, every one of those little trinkets that they stored in that room,

which was a ton of stuff, would probably spend off into its own movie. Yeah, why not? They always, like, zoom into that room in like the end of the movies. and it's like, oh, that's where you take the dancing monkey doll. And that's where you see, like, another, like, little thing that makes noise or, like, you know, a clock and, like, a necklace, and you're like, oh, my God. But Nunn freaked me out.

The Nun was one that actually did freak me out. I did a visual when we were watching The Nunn in our scary movie club, but I think the Nunn looks like Prince William, and that lightens it for me. Well, you kind of ruined it for me, then. I have a screenshot. I'll send it, too, because I have pictures on side by side, and I'm like, this goes back in the same. same same um it is scary nons are scary but like also okay oh my god i know we need to go but like you know how you're like of course there's victorian ghosts in an old victorian house because women died there but i feel like of course there's nuns haunting places because like where

they're going to go yeah yeah their family abandoned them and they're celibate and they have nobody oh we have one more thing there was a story in the book i'm so sorry where he's like there was a ghost of a mom who died in a car accident and she had like six kids and she was haunting the house because she didn't know she was dead and so they did an exorcism to like get rid of have her go move on to the next level and ed warren was like that might seem kind of cruel because she could live at this house with her family like as a ghost but what happens when the family dies and what happens like the next generation and in 200 years she's going to like what haunt this house forever and i was like that's kind of cool yeah it's good point yeah okay now i'm done

good for them we need to go back down a or rabbit hole so one thing to note for people we're listening is that every October, Taylor, our friend Jay, myself, and a whole host of other folks do this thing we call Calendar of Horror, where Jay, for the most part, organizes this intricate spreadsheet of movies, horror movies, where you can watch them or rent them or whatever. And every night we have a shared slide channel that we discuss, we watch the movie and discuss it. Ever since I move to Texas, it's been harder for me. And I don't know how we're going to do it this year now that Jay's on East Coast time and you're on Pacific Island Central. It's almost impossible now. But

we'll do what we can but I mean it probably won't be like an every night thing like it had been maybe it'll be like a once a week thing but yeah I can't wait until like late anyway because I have the kids all the things but figured out but it's so fun and we've watched so many scary movies and it's the best we watched deep bluesy last night I mean Juan that's not a horror movie but it's fun it's fun it's fun I like it awesome thanks for us that was fun thank you Taylor I I I I don't want to see a horror movie now so thankful for the for the warns for that I you know what I I I they touched my life. They actually touched my life because my fascination with horror movies all can be rooted back to movies like Amityville. So awesome. When you're seeing that when you're

little and you're like, oh. It's still scary. It's still scary. Like again, I probably won't ever watch Sinister again because that movie really, really. Actually, I think that's totally fair. Like, that's one that you don't watch again. Because I can think of it right now and think of all the terrible things and be like, oh my God. Yeah. Do you know a lawnmower scene? You know what I started thinking about or the deck chairs like it pulled up the pool oh my god they made a part two and the part two is actually still pretty good it's nothing for the first one yeah but even hawk yeah yeah anyway follow us for more horror movie recommendations and all the things on social like subscribe give us five stars give us feedback comment commentary all that good stuff thank you tell

your friends and we'll do it again next week do it again next week thank you taylor I'm going to be able to