Doomed to Fail - Ep 180: The Beast of Belsen - Irma Grese

Episode Date: March 10, 2025

History, as we know, is filled with uplifting stories - it's also full of awful stories that are sometimes difficult even to imagine, like his one. Today, Farz tells us about one of the worst concentration camp guards, Irma Grese. Her depravity, often sexually arousing for her, stands out even among the stories of WWII. We discuss how we're sure that even if there hadn't been a war, Irma would have ended up doing something awful with her life.  Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

In a matter of the people of the state of California versus Hortonthal James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you do. And we're recording live, Taylor. Can you believe it? You can't even tell. I just woke up from my nap.

I'm so enthused. I was not, whoa. You are. I was not expecting that. It's literally that was all my energy. Four seconds ago when you were telling me how tired you were. I'm done now. That was it.

That's all I have in me. How are you doing? I am good. Yeah, we did hopefully our last cookie booth, maybe our second to last, but we did run out of thin minutes today. So that was good to be like, you know, things are happening. Is that the goal, the goal is to run out of them? Yeah.

What do the kids win again? A bunch of junk. Is your parents' game? Yes. No, because you're not getting other girl people to do it, but you're getting like a bunch of crap. So you're getting like, they get like, well, okay, actually. All right, let me introduce us, because this is going to take me an hour to explain to you. Welcome to doomed to fail where the podcast it brings you history's most notorious disasters

and epic failures twice a week. I am Taylor, joined by Fars, and it is almost the end of Girl's Cut Cookie season. No, our boxes are $6. The troop gets like a dollar. box, which is like not bad. And for like troop things to like pay for their activities and camp and stuff, make us divided among the girls. And then each girl at every level, which is like every hundred boxes or so, you get like a piece of junk like a water bottle or a stuffed panda this year. And if you sell like more than 875 boxes, you get to go to Natsbury Farm.

And then if you sell 5,000 boxes, you get to go on a cruise to the Mediterranean. So it gets progressively better. But selling 5,000 boxes is impossible. No one I've ever met. wow yeah have you done the nottsbury farm thing we won it one year we did it was when they went to universal um and we did get it once

but we're not going to get it this year which is fine it reminds me a lot of um cuckco remember cuckco everybody's yeah everybody's uh older brother worked there and it was like you just sell your friends and friends of friends

and yeah but it's cute they get out there they're meeting their community with their friends and yeah it's very sweet and they're good i have the box of the top of the box it's open in the kitchen area so that any time you know someone's over that they want to grab a cookie they can pop up in a package and grab a cookie it's like very it's very hospitable of me if you microwave the adventurefuls you can pretend that you baked them oh that's good that's a great idea if you have any more hacks if you have cookie hacks like you got a you gotta tell us yeah well

that's one and then the toast days are good with us more but it's very very sweet not like you wouldn't expect them to be sweet but it's like exceptionally sweet not an everyday treat yeah yeah okay sweet well let's get to story time unless there's anything else you have

I did want to tell you just I don't know why I felt like telling you this but did you hear about the Illinois state flag no they had a redesign contest so they had 10 different options and people got to vote on them

and they voted to keep their flag like they voted to not pick any of the redesigns and pick the ones they already had which is that was hilarious. Yeah, good, good. You know, it's funny, like earlier this week, I was watching something about airplane designs and how it was like,

there's a reason why they all look the same. Like people have tried to be creative with airplane designs and it's like, they fall on the sky. Yeah, like when something works, just keep doing the thing that works. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. We, the, oh, Morgan did send a thing about how flying is safe still. How do you feel after your flights?

Did you clap when the plane landed? People were, so the guy next to me, he was an older gentleman, and he did do, we didn't talk, I don't know anything about him, but he did do the little prayer thing, the father, the son and the testicles wall, and watch. Is that what it? Yeah, okay. It's not really that. I can't remember where that's from, but yes. Father, son, Holy Spirit. But he, but he did do that.

So I think that, like, the general sentiment is, like, people are, like, a little bit more anxious than normal. Yeah. Especially because I was flying into Reagan and, like, that plane just crashed. For some reason, there's, like, something of, like, the ghost of the plane that was there. Like, what I was thinking was at some point on this, like, descent trajectory, I'm, like, right where that plane was. Exactly.

That's scary. and it's so sad that there are so many ice skaters on that plane so i'm seeing a lot of like ice skating tributes to it it's very sad yeah yeah so uh but morgan thank you for writing in to help clear up anxiety um cool who is it me is it me today yeah okay i will go first and continue my my uh women's history thing that i forgot i was doing last week when I covered hockey. No nuts. Thank Taylor for always keep me on track.

So, yeah, so the whole point of this women's history call out, there's a lot of, like, in my story, it's a lot of, like, unique women history. Actually, it was going on here, but in, like, the worst possible way. And we're going to be covering, you know, again, in the spirit of equality, like, women can be just as horrible as men. And as a result, we're going to cover some of those horrible women. And last two weeks, I covered Elizabeth Bathory. And kind of touching on what you started this conversation with before we started recording, Taylor,

I'm going to be covering Nazi Germany. Oh, mine's Nazi Germany too. Interesting. Okay, so do you have any guess who might cover? I know, like, all the women that were in, like, the concentration camps, like the of Buchenwald. What's her name? Elsa Cook. Is that her the bitch of Bukenval?

That's the bitch of Buchenwald. But I wrote down no exclamation point, wrong exclamation point. It's not Elsa Cooke, Taylor, exclamation point. Ha, ha, ha, ha. But you didn't say Elsa Cook. I had to tell you, so it doesn't even count. So we'll just get past that. But I'm not covering Elsa Cook.

Wow. I know. Wow. You come at me in your notes. Yeah, really threw it at you. But I'm going to cover another person who would be called a crazy. bitch um who a lot of people didn't hear because i think that elsa cook kind of became super famous and everybody like kind of like put her at the very top i mean she was the one that like

would pick prisoners for execution based on tattoos that she thought would look good as like as lamps yeah it's the craziest logic is that um and also timing wise i realized that Ilsa Cook story dovetails directly into Ed Gein. And so there's a lot of speculation when Ed Gein popped off in the U.S. that he was inspired by Ilsa Cook, although we don't know for sure if he was or not, but he did a lot of the same stuff that Ilsa Cook did. And then he became like the most well-known serial killer person in the U.S.

at that time. So I think that's why we know her so well. But I'm going to cover someone different. I'm going to cover a woman named Irma Grissa. Do you know that name? No. I did read Hitler's Furies, but a long time ago. Was she in there or something?

Probably. It's a book about like the women in the Third Reich. Ah. So again, like there's going to be a lot of fun women's first here. So in addition to one of the most sadistic women in history, she also holds a distinction as being the youngest woman Great Britain has ever executed. Oh. Yeah.

That's saying a lot. Yeah. they've executed a lot of young women so technically they say judicially executed so I think there's also a lot of women that were killed because the king was just like I don't like you so cut off your head but this was like done through courts

I saw a thing on Instagram like comedians and they were like Henry the 8th fifth bachelor party and they had like t-shirts that were like fifth time's a charm you know and they were like dude why are we here again this is so embarrassing and like it was just really funny yeah no gifts no gifts after the second

wedding yeah Unless you're king Right I can read it to kill you Yeah Yeah I will admit Reading about her upbringing in life I legitimately don't understand

How people in Germany turned out The way they did Like you remember the opening scene And In Glorious Bastards With Christopher Walls When he walks up that farm Mm-hmm That's like kind of Irma's life

It's like these rolling hills Fresh milk fresh cheese Like freshly baked bread It just sounds like absolute paradise That's like what she was brought up in. And again, well, I'll get into, I guess I'll get into like why this ended up happening the way it did. But she was born in 1923, five years after World War I ended. And there were some people living this kind of like idyllic life in Germany at this time, but not everybody.

It's funny because I was trying to figure out who said this. But it turns out to be another very famous woman, which like, again, doves. tails into the whole theme of this. It was Ruth Bader Ginsburg quoting, a quote that she said, saying that pendulum swings violently from one side of the spectrum to the other side of the spectrum. And that's kind of what ended up happening in Germany around this time, obviously. So basically, during the period, during this period, the world was super mad at Germany. So you had reparations, which financially devastated them while they were already financially

devastated. You had these traumatized soldiers coming home who do what they experienced were basically absolutely useless you had a blocking on food um and you got hyperinflation which made the german mark totally worthless and we just like as a society just kept pushing these people further and further into the brink which happened like yeah i was i was reading about it in the book for my my thing this week and um yeah like inflation was like monday a loaf of bread is five marks on thursday it's a trillion marks yeah like what he's supposed to do like everything's gone and i wonder like what did the allied powers think would happen like if you push there's this quote

that the most dangerous person in the world is the one who has the thought to lose and i think of that too i'm like you push these people to the point of like they can't feed their kids they can't do like of course they're going to like it's almost shocking that we didn't think of hitler what happened yeah no i i that's a good question i don't know what like the outcome of the trity of versa i was to be yeah yeah so and that's kind of the situation we found ourselves here is that the germans after world war one had basically nothing to lose irma would have been born the same year as the beer hall pushed which was hitler's first fail attempted munich at a coup and that resulted him getting sent to prison uh the village she was born in it's called mecklenburg scene plot

which like if you look it up it looks again absolutely idyllic you're totally right that like I mean, Germany is gorgeous. Gorgeous. And like these little towns and like the mountains, they're just like, fairy tale beautiful. Yeah.

Yeah. Which would make me the opposite of angry. I'd want to go talk to rabbits in the forest. Like not take people's skins and make lamps out of them. You know, it's the opposite feeling it would give most people, I think. I think so.

Yeah. I mean, I think there's, what is the, what is the path between? between those two, you know? So I'm going to actually touch on that, too, because I didn't want to discuss that. So, um, Irma, back to Irma, she was one of five children and her father worked at a dairy

farm and her mother was basically, she was a housewife, but she also like grow, uh, she had a garden, she grew their food and she had like a mini farm, like think goats and chickens around. Like it was, again, exactly the scenario that we're describing here. But despite the Bucalic narrative on painting, these will also have their problems. And Irma's father was a philanderer. and he was having an affair with the daughter of a local pub owner, and Irma's mother found out and then attempted suicide.

The suicide attempt failed in the moment but caused enough damage given the fact that she drank hydrochloric acid. Worse way to do it, that she would die months later after the attempt. And unfortunately for Irma, she's the one that found her mother's body. So I'm sure that imprints something in your brain, running the futility of life, you know? Yeah, yeah. It's not great. Yeah. She was more than 12 years old at this time, which is like pretty young to like see something like that.

So there's some confusion as to the role of Irma's father in influencing her political ideology. On the one hand, it was said that he was not an ideologue or fanatic, but rather just like, he was basically a conservative guy at a time when being conservative met you were part of the Nazi party. Right. On another hand, by most accounts, he joined the party formally in 1937, which. which is three years after the Nazi party purges ranks during the night of long knives and killed anybody who was disloyal to Hitler. And it was two years after the Nuremberg laws go into effect, which stripped Jews of their German citizenship.

But again, I think in a lot of these situations, you're like, I don't know, this doesn't affect me, so who cares? Like, you know, like, until it's, like, in your face. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I also put down that, like, I don't know this guy's perspective, and he went through World War I and his wife drinking hydrochloric acid. It's like who knows what he received as normal or not. Irma and her father's adoption of Nazism occurred around the same time

as right after her father officially joined the party, she would also join the League of Germany Girls, which was the girl's wing of the Hitler Youth Movement. I wonder if they look at the case. Did he invent the Boy Scouts? No. Did he do something like that? He had the Hitler Youth.

I don't think that he invented the Boy Scouts. The same idea. scouting movement founded a night no but it's like the it does fall into the idea of it sounded very similar

that's what I was like wait of scouting but no okay it looks similar I mean it looks similar you know but no so to further act of confusion on where her father still that matter

he actually hated the fact that his daughter joined the league of German girls he did not want her to be part of the Hitler youth so again we're seeing some indication that he's not like a full

blown Nazi, though he's an official Nazi. But then again, like, I think Arnold Schwarzenegger's dad was a Nazi, or he was a part of the party. He wasn't, you know what? I'm going to talk about, I'm talking about Nazis as well in my story. And I think a lot of it is like, it's interesting because everyone's, you can't put an entire country in jail, you know, after this war. So, like, everyone, a lot of people were Nazis. and they never were accountable for it at all, you know?

But, like, Arnold Schwarzenegger, he had that thing. Did you see what you talked about his dad? How his dad came home? And it was just like a bunch of broken men and they all became alcoholics and it was terrible, you know? What do you mean after the war? After World War II, you mean? Yeah. He said, like, a lot of the, like, like, my dad said, like, I talked about my dad in the episode about polio.

You know, when my dad was little, all the dads introduced themselves and be like, oh, hey, I'm da-la-da-da-da. what were you in the service because everyone's dad had been in the war you know yeah and so that's got to be the same in germany in japan and russia and these places that like you know everyone who is my age who's in their 40s their grandparents were in the war one way or another you know if you were if you're like from the u.s generations back if you're in germany those those generations back like you can't i don't know like they all it was just part of the the thing so who knows if like irma's dad was like go along to get along or like really into it you know like a lot of people well most people were never

punished they were just like not you know you can't put everybody in jail it seems like a it's like society just riding off like an entire generation and be like you guys just have to like because that's like what it was saying about her as well or her like after world war one was like i mentioned the soldiers coming home and being basically used because they were like traumatized or like emotionally traumatized by everything that they'd seen and gone through and also being like the bad guys and so they come home and it's like

nobody gives a shit about you and you just like sit there and like I guess I'm just gonna drink myself to death like what else I'm gonna do? Yeah and those are the dads of these guys you know. Damn you're right. So like many generations of people

you know like your trauma being past generation and generation. Absolutely. Absolutely. You know your dad was in the trenches in World War I now you have a think you might have a chance now everything's terrible and then you have a chance at something better

so you become a Nazi. It's funny. Like the more we talk about it, it's probably not a good thing, but the more we talk about the more I'm like, I kind of get it. Well, no, and I think that it's not, it's,

it's interesting because if everyone's doing it and it's normalized, you know, but it wasn't a secret, like the bad stuff wasn't a secret. So it's not like. I think it bad stuff was kind of a secret, though. But not really.

I have stuff in, Well, I mean, people knew. Not everyone knew, but people knew. Well, yeah, I think, yeah. Well, let me circle back to Arma, and then we'll go back into the philosophy of Nazism. Great. So she would ultimately drop out of school at 14 years old to go to work,

and first she worked at a dairy farm, then she would do retail, and then her life with a Nazi movement would be even more formally intertwined. She would land a job at a sanatorium that was operated by the Nazis to rehabilitate SS personnel. Her mentor there was a Nazi OG, someone with the rank of being in the party way, way in the early days.

Like one of the original Nazis, basically. He was the guy named Carl Gephardt. And we're not going to get into a ton of detail about Carl Gephardt, but he was basically the equivalent of Joseph Mangala at like other concentration camp. So he was like the chief doctor doing crazy stuff. to people, basically. It's like that's such an interesting line to go back to it. Like, you're like, yes, I want my economy to be better, but then like, oh, I'm watching

them do these terrible human experiments, you know, like, when does that get too weird for you to stay? I don't know. I think it's so embedded that you're so much better than everybody else that, like, I don't know, why would it ever done on you? I feel like, yeah, I don't know. and so this guy Gepphardt this crazy crazy guy

that was basically her mentor eventually Irma was fired from her job of the sanatorium but Gepphart he referred her to Ravensbrook concentration camp to find work so this is another first which I didn't know about

and that ties in a women's stuff this was unique because it was a woman's only concentration camp well at first it was women's only but then apparently there were some women who were pregnant when they were put into the concentration camp so it became a woman in children's concentration camp which like makes it so much more grim you brought pregnant women into this like it's crazy um but of course they did yeah yeah they're Nazis um yeah makes sense so at 18 years old irma became a concentration camp officer in training for about three weeks which she completed the satisfaction of her supervisors there's nothing known as to how or why during this time she like completely flipped the script from being like semi-normal to like completely an utterly sociopathic but during the seven months she spent working at ravensbrook she was known for whipping prisoners particularly the ones that were

like really old and really weak like she liked the fact that they couldn't defend themselves at all she was known to deny food to women who were like already severely malnourished and starving she volunteered to select women to be sent for experiment which if you recall from the Joseph Mangala episode of last podcast on the left that was a job that nobody wanted even the people that did do it would show up drunk to do it right that's a big thing too like a lot of people were and drunk to be able to do these things because they were so bad but a couple people sounds like Irma's one of them was like cool mangola was one of them too mangola also did not drink or do drugs and he actually wanted to show up and be part of selection And the prisoners would say that they thought that she was deriving sexual pleasure from the violence around her. What is going to be a pretty big theme about Irma is like the fact that she was like super horned up over everything she's seeing. So seven months into her time at Ravenbrook, she was transferred into Poland to Auschwitz 2, which is Berkenau.

Her time at Bergenau started out rough. She was supposed to start out as a telephone operator. but apparently she did something that was punished like a punishment and so she ended up having to go on assignment overseeing prisoners who were also on punishment so these were people who like were trying to escape or talk back they were given like the worst the worst like the people that would have to clean out the latrines and your job is do you have to supervise them so nobody wanted that punishment what did she do what could you do that gets you in trouble I don't know what she did but given the nature of Nazis it probably wasn't that bad or like Like, it was so bad that Nazis think it's bad. I think it's kind of strict on everything, aren't they? Like, they're not like a nice people. I mean, I love Germans. I have Germans.

No, no, no. We know. Everyone else. But like, you know, you all are stern people. You don't take lightly to things not going the way you want them to go. Yeah. So this part of the story is the part that I also picture from Schindler's list where do you remember, where, like, there was that scene where they're burning this giant pile of bodies.

In this one SS officer is like screaming and laughing, but also crying. Mm-hmm. I think so. It stuck out of my mind. Like, I was like, that was like, that's like, it was a great scene capturing like somebody's sanity just leaving. It's like you know what you're doing is wrong. Nothing is right. The world is upside down, but you can't do anything about it.

And you're kind of a part of it. Like, I think that that's where where she's at in this. Like where her psyche just broke, which I think happens to anybody. If you're exposed to so much. crazy dark stuff. Right. This is why, like, I remember, okay, so this doesn't sound bad,

but like when I was like younger, like 18, 19, actually we all did this. Remember when we were kids and we'd like go on ron.com? Oh, sure. I don't think that's good for your brain. No. I don't think exposure to stuff like that

does anything but create like these cracks and fissures in your, in your psyche that like worse she can get into. Yeah. I agree. Yeah. So I think that's what was going on here. Her next assignment was in Camp C, which contained 30,000 women. And like I said, more than anybody else I heard about during Nazi Germany, Irma Grissa had some strange connections between violence and sexuality, which I'm pretty sure is like kind of a rarity for women. She went to engage in forced sexual conduct with male and female prisoners under her war. The male ones were there, given that Camp C was a woman. women's board they'd have men there as like prison commando units like these are like they're like narts basically um the female prisoners she would use in this capacity until she was bored with them sexually

and then send them to the gas chamber and move on to someone new yeah she was crazy a jewish doctor and prisoner in irma section of the camp named uh josella pearl she wrote a book called um i was a doctor in auschwitz it in it she would talk about how every now and then she'd have to operate on women that were beaten really badly by irma and she would have to without anesthesia in that irma would always be there nearby watching her do it so she would take pleasure and moan at the screaming sounds the women were making during these like these operations she also had affairs with other officers within the camp including joseph mengala and a guy named joseph kramer which was an s s officer known as the beast of belson i lost count of how many people she either had consent

or non-consexual sex with but it was a lot it was like and normally listen workplace romances they happen it is a thing

this was like you're in the middle of the Holocaust you're grounds you're a holocaust the corpse is burning next to you like yeah I mean how are you warned up right now

I only laugh because like a workplace romance that like doc out is different than at like Google it's true it's true very very different

like yeah no it doesn't it's not a sexy environment where you're like excited to be at work like that's not that's bad also it's like it's funny because that last guy he broke up it's people are so weird the last guy josephramer uh that officer he broke up with her because he found out that she was having sexual relations with women because he was he was homophobic and it's just like it's like okay i guess they were also homophobic but like that i know i know but then like why was she doing that like that is

make sense either. But I'm sure there was plenty of like of all sorts of gender on gender on gender rape in these places. Of course. I guess you're right. I guess I didn't think about that. The way I was thinking about it was more like, wait, so you have like some sort of moral distinctions between right and wrong, which I guess, yeah, I guess they do. Yeah, I guess they do. So after this, she was transferred briefly to Bergen-Belsen and she only stayed there for about four weeks because pretty soon after she arrived British forces liberated the camp and Irma was apparently defiant

until the very end. She tried attacking British soldiers and she had to be forcefully restrained. Actually I didn't mention this but like that woman I mentioned really the doctor, Gisela Pearl she would talk about how stunningly beautiful Irma was and you look at her pictures

and like she looks she looks like Winston Churchill if Winston Churchill had long one here. I think I'm looking at her pictures I feel like part of it is this like skirt that she's wearing that goes up to her boobs like that's not giving her any showing her any favors but yeah her face is like it's so sour

I mean her face when she's in this I was like she's clearly on like trial she doesn't look remorseful she's very yeah she's uh but she described at length her angelic beauty and long blonde hair and beautiful blue eyes I was like, she looks like shit, but I guess, sure. Also, beauty standards were different, so there's that. Yeah, I don't think she's ugly.

I think that, you know, yeah, I think it's the outfit. I think her personality makes her ugly, if I'm being honest. Her personality absolutely makes her ugly, yes. Yes, correct. So the camps are liberated. She would ultimately get arrested and interrogated while incarcerated, and her argument was that Heinrich Himmler, who is widely considered the architect of the Holocaust, he is a responsible party and that she was just following orders.

And I'm just following orders. That was basically the argument for any Nazi war criminal. And it wouldn't work because it's long been established that taking orders that are patently illegal or following them when they're patently illegal is not a legal defense. So on that basis, she was found guilty of committing crimes against humanity and sentenced to death. One thing I learned is... One thing I learned is

that in these cases, the tribunal preemptively rejected any appeals for clemency. Like, their appeals were over. They were like, nope, you're guilty. This is it. Like, there's no further appeals past us. Yeah. About a month after the conviction, sorry, about a month after the

conviction, and after the trial of some other guards had wrapped up and they two were sentenced to death, they transferred, Irma and these prisoners to their last prison before execution. Irma and the two other women who were about she was going to be exited with.

They spent their last night hanging out, singing songs and telling jokes. The next morning at 9.34 a.m., the first woman was hanged. Then half an hour later, Irma was hanged with her final words being schnell. Do you know what that means? Fast.

I said, yeah. Well, yeah. I said, I wrote quick, but like, yeah. Same thing. She apparently went to her fate pretty stoically. like she was not remorseful she didn't seem scared um because the last woman uh apparently when she went she was like losing her shit and was like terrified and she was like a 45 year old woman just like scared shitless and remember 22 was like yeah that's fine but again i think your brain's broke at some point

like you don't understand anything what's going on yeah um and that's her that's the story of irma grissa and she was the most horned up guard at uh ravensbrook uh burkenau in Belson. Man, what a monster. Yeah. But the psychology of it is kind of interesting. I've actually never until we had this conversation, but like, oh, yeah, you know what?

When you stack this and this and this and this and this, it's like, oh, yeah, okay, people will break. Like, people turn into monsters. Yeah. And that's probably a next thing. But also, I feel like she was never going to be like, it's like some people could have been normal. It doesn't sound like she could have been.

Like, she enjoyed it to a degree that I think was, like, you need. She, uh, it's something also in the Mangala episode in last podcast I said, which was like, there's some people that like, they wouldn't, they were made to be the perfect Nazi. Like, like, they, they were brought up in a time period where, like, their unique skill sets and interests, completely dovetailed in the Nazi ideology. And she probably falls, falls in line with one of those. And, and actually, there's another story I didn't bring up, and I didn't actually write down here. either, which is like the fight that she gets into with her dad that comes out during her trial where her sisters are providing testimony where Irma goes home in her Nazi outfit at some point during her employment at Ravenbrook and her dad's like pissed and he's like get like this isn't who we are. Like get out of my house. Like they get into a fight. Like it's like a pretty violent fight apparently. And the only time that she showed emotion during her trial was when her sister was retelling this story about how her dad was like, this is disgusting. I don't want any of this around me and like kicked her out of the house.

Which is, like, kind of cool of him because I'm pretty sure she could have gone to somebody and, like, reported to him. Oh, absolutely. Right, because also she's young. So she's at that age where they're like, the government's like, you should tell on your parents if they have any, if they have any leanings towards not Naziism, you should make sure that you tell us. Yeah. You know, so she probably was, she probably, she was definitely like one of the generation that was set up to do that for sure. Yeah, which is another point for the dad, which is like, yeah, he probably had a Nazi card but wasn't like into it, into it, you know? Yeah.

He did maybe because he's had to. I mean, he doesn't like he was like a great dad, but like, like you said, the PTSD, you know, and like the everything. Yeah, I think that's like a big takeaway for me is like, there's a lot of reasons why people are the way they are. God, who was I, what was I reading where it was like, dude, if Kanye West's mom was still alive, he'd never be the way he is. That is a thousand percent true. Because, like, he loved his mom. So he named, like, his album was after her. And, like, I think her death, like, just completely ruptured something in his brain.

So interesting. But, yeah, like that, I don't, I don't think he was in therapy. He should talk. I guess, like, the point is, like, we can be empathetic and understand that we don't have. the perspectives that other people have. Right. Not as an excuse, but it's like I'm trying to understand it.

But also there's a category which is like you're all, there's also, Irma, Irma, dresses that are not that, like they're nuts. Like,

right, like she would have been like, she would have been like, she would have been like, a terrible mother who abused a shit of her children at the least. You know, like they,

yes, yes. She would have been Rosemary West. Yes. She wasn't going to be like a, a good person. No, she was going to take her kids

to, cookies in front of storefront. She was not going to coach softball. No. No. So that's my story. That's part two of three women

who are crazy. And my one next week is going to be a long one. You know who it is already. So I'm not going to restate it, but it's going to be a very popular one that is U.S. based, which is going to be exciting. Cool.

Excited. Sweet. Anything we want to read out? Yes. I have tons of mail. I have a little bit of mail. I mailed out two. more stickers which is super super exciting um i also got three people who agreed with me on the dog

situation um and we're not here to argue i'm just here to say that some people just don't want dogs and thank you ben justin and nadine for writing in letting me know that i'm not alone but did anybody say they want dogs no ah so we're the silent majority you're the very loud majority I'll take it you're not wrong yeah so thank you everyone thank you for emailing us and hopefully you got the stickers I sent out if you don't get them let me know but I did see them go directly to our mail lady so they should get to you soon and yeah thanks everybody we're at doomed to fail pod at gmail.com and doomed to fail pod on all social media and just Google doom to fail podcast and you'll find us that's what I've been telling people to do on TikTok because it's like some people don't know how to find podcasts And if everybody listening to this, obviously has already found it. But if you have a friend, they're like, I haven't found it. Just doomed to fail podcast will come up on the top. I checked it all my browsers.

Should work. Sweet. Cool. Is there anything else, Taylor? That is it. Thank you. Thank you, Fars. Thank you all.

Have a great rest of your day. Bye, all.