Doomed to Fail - Ep 19: Radioactive Personalities - The Curies & Ken McElroy

Episode Date: May 8, 2023

Join us as we learn about the mother and father of Radiation - Marie & Pierre Curie. If they didn’t do it - someone was going to, Nearly 100 years after their deaths their bodies are still so radioactive they are in lead lined coffins and will remain there forever. Next, We go to small town, Missouri where town bully Ken McElroy was murdered by everyone & no one. Ken was a horrible, horrible man, you might say a cancer on the town. Follow us on Instagram & Facebook @ Twitter!  @doomedtofailpodhttps://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpodYoutube - https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpodImages via Public DomainKen via MO Life Magazine & the NY Post Radioactive: Marie & Pierre Curie: A Tale of Love and Fallout Radithor - Wikipedia Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

In a matter of the people of the state of California, first is Hortonthall James Simpson. Case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country. What's the coloring book? Is it the Dora they're for? Oh, no, it's like one of these really hard ones. It sounds like the only kids show, you know?

Yes. No, it's just like what these are really hard. to color ones you know you know like a lot of detail that's great that's awesome oh she did a great job on that one yeah i mean she's eight she can color i don't know sequentially how these things work yeah i think i asked you in palm springs if she was like four he asked me if my house was was like two and i was like he's six like what are you talking about like he's walking he's he's playing baseball he can read he's so funny he has a driver's license what are you talking about he's college so sorry he's very smart um okay so next week yes Ireland uh I'll edit on the

I'll edit on the plane so you'll probably get it a little bit later than usual that's fine but yeah the whole family's coming over the whole family's coming over they're gonna like send me off like I'm Jack in Titanic oh my god it's so funny are you they're gonna like drape you in an Irish flag and like you over there oh it's court it's coronation day too did you watch did you see that this morning I mean? King Charles was... Oh my God, who gives a shit?

I mean, today, but I mean, but... You lost me? No, no, no. But my point is that the people in Ireland are going to be riled up because they hate, they hate them. Okay, so you know, do you know that Ireland is actually two countries? Yes.

Okay, so does everybody know that and I just learned it like this week? Yes. Yes. Cool. Cool. That's awesome. I'm glad. Well, congratulations on learning that. Thanks. Yeah, no. Yes, this Ireland. in Northern Ireland. There's been a lot of tension. A lot of people died. Yeah, you know what? I made,

I might have made some IRA jokes that are not going to be well received. No, people are still mad about that. It was awful. Yeah. They're not ready for my sense of humor then. No, no, I would, I would leave that at the door when you enter Ireland. Yeah, yeah, I'm definitely, but you can say, you can be like, who cares about King Charles? People would would like that. Unless I'm in Northern Ireland. You're not going to me northern ireland so i wanted to go to belfast and then done was like why like why would you want to go because apparently nothing there but i really just want to go to see where the titanic was launched from which i thought it would be like a really fun bit of history that is cool but nobody wants to go so i'm not going now do you remember in um ghostbusters two when the hit when the titanic arrives

no there's like ghost busters too when like the whole city is like full of ghosts and then they go Cheech and Chong are at the, they're the guys at the pier and they call the police because the Titanic just arrived and it's like, it like, it's like has a big hole in it and all these ghosts come out of it. It's very fun. Oh, I should be watched that. Um, do you, hey, do I have like dementia, you think? Because I don't remember anything. No, I mean, I don't know, people, some people just don't remember anything. Like, you remember everything. You remember every detail of every movie. I just have a very weird good memory and like, can't tell you stuff about like math but like I didn't I know that I remember Chechen Chong's and the

titan just arrived I don't know yeah something's just because I remember on one podcast on one episode you asked me do you remember the real world Seattle it's like what are you talking about that was a big it was a cultural moment and I don't know if you watched the real world dad I haven't watched a real world in 25 years but I did watch that one fair enough Fair enough. Do you have your on-air sign on? Oh, shoot, no. I'm gonna go put it out.

I promise Miles I would. Hold on a second. I nailed it in my door. Aren't you allowed I asked? Yeah. This is the part where we go fully silent. You can't see this, listeners, but Taylor is doing stuff. And now she's back.

Ooh, fun. I bet my voice sounded like Ira Glass just there. I bet it did. You very calm. Yes. I'll take a picture. Yeah, I promise Miles. I put it on.

My door's open. though because it's just me and the boy at home just in case he needs me cool okay so who's going first today i think me thank you okay it doesn't really matter but i think me cool so we'll go ahead and kick things off although we kind of been talking for a while now and it's been recording um hi everyone welcome to doom to fail i'm farce joined here by taylor pine re pinre i already fucked it up paniero Hi, everyone. Welcome to doom to fail. I'm joined here by Taylor. And today we're going to bring you two more stories, one historical, one true crime of relationships that were doomed to fail. How are you doing, Taylor, Taylor? I'm good. I'm good. I'm ready. You ready? Yeah. Ready to do this thing? Yeah,

I'm ready to do this thing. Let's do this thing. All right. You tell me what you're drinking. Budweiser. Budweiser. It's very straightforward, very simple. My story takes place in Missouri. And St. Louis, Missouri is the home of Budweiser. And also, my story is a very blue-collar. It involves very blue-collar people. And I feel like Budweiser's the beer for the people, you know? Yeah, totally. I get that.

It's not all hoity-to-wit. It doesn't call itself champagne of beer the way Miller does. I think of all. Miller. Fancy. Who do they think they are? They're monocles. Yeah.

The top hat and monocles. Dr. Miller light out of a champagne flute. Yeah. At the coronation. At the coronation of the king? Of course. To secede from people. Have you forgotten already?

Yeah. Have you forgotten already? It's a blip in history. There you go. Ridiculous. You're such patriots. No, you know, I never want to be called a patriot, but I mean, whatever. You're alienating us.

I am not. I do not identify that way, but we'll, whatever. Cool. So I'll go first and we'll go back in time. And we are drinking Radiathor, which is water infused with radium. It was a patented mix of water and radium. It was manufactured in 1918 to 1928 by the Bailey Radium Laboratories in New Jersey. It was like a miracle drug that would make you feel better if you were like in pain or whatever.

That was what it was supposed to be used for. A man named Eben Byers in 1927 got injured and he was prescribed by his doctor to drink Radiothor. So the bottles are really small. and he drank about 1,400 of them before his face fell off. Have you heard of this guy? No, but the drink itself sounds, oh, wait, I have kind of, I think I have heard of this guy. I'm going to send you a picture of his face. Oh, God.

So this is a drug or a drink that was specifically created just to cause cancer. Is that the idea? No, it was supposed to make you feel better. I kind of like him. It's terrifying. His half of his face is like literally not there. Like he would be really good in like a horror movie, but I guess they didn't have war movies back then. No, it is a nightmare.

So why was he, why did he drink 1,400 of them? Because it was supposed to make him, it made him feel better. Like, given like energy at first. But then it's obviously that caused all these cancers. So we're not talking about him, but we're talking about radium. So. Wait, Taylor, did you know that Eben Beyer is short for Ebenezer? Ebene is?

Yeah, it's short for Ebene. His name is actually Ebenezer buyer. I love it. We need more Ebenezer. That's another one far as when you have children. Ebenezer, so consangh. Wait, this guy, this guy lived for 52 years.

Yeah. Did he die of this? I don't think so. I don't know. So he carried on living with half a face. It's so scary. I don't know like where you put your food. I don't know like anything.

anything about this. Oh, no, he did die. He did have this, right? Yeah, yeah. He died from multiple radiation-induced cancers after consuming Radiathor. Yeah. Popular patent medicine made from radium dissolved in water. And apparently, he was like a really good golfer, too. I know. I was going to say that. Our stories have such weird through lines. I know. I was reading the Wikipedia page last night. I was like, oh, he could have been a famous golfer, but his face fell off. But he didn't murder anybody. So, to me too. Wow.

Okay. But we're not talking about, Evan. We're talking about the mother and father of radioactivity, Marie and Pierre Curie. Sweet. I'm going to do it. So did you read the Google AI guy quit this week? Did you see that in the newspapers? I did.

He sounds so annoying. He sounds like one of those dwebes that you just want to steal a stapler. He reminds me of Marie and Pierre Curie and a couple other, like, historical people were like, if I didn't do it someone else was going to you know like I created a monster and it was coming anyway so I did it like that I think that's kind of what that guy was saying same with like the right brothers so I read a book about the the right brothers a while ago maybe I'll talk about them in the future but they one of them died earlier but one of them lived all the way through world war two so he saw like all of the devastation that came with knowing how to fly but like

what are the like what are the consequences what are the benefits you know like you know what mean so I am oh my god what's this guy's name well I got to find this guy real quick Weinstein professor annoying yeah there he is Brett so I went to this um this fucking guy I went to this um conference in Austin like a couple of weeks ago and it was like this independent movement conference and so it was just it was really interesting actually I had a great time there but they had this panel and on the panels they would also have like an AI so like these people would answer the questions that the moderator would pose and then the moderator would say and now let's ask AI what it thinks and they would like play this audio recording

of like what the AI bought on Chad GBT thinks you know you know Brett Weinstein is no okay so you came to prominence at Evergreen College as a professor of biology who I forgot what he there was something he did around like racism that like really flare people up it was probably stupid it was probably stupid but it was also like probably overreaction to it and now he's like this really popular figure in like the counterculture like he's always on jo rogan's podcast and stuff like that but he was on this panel and every time the i would speak he'd be like don't crap it you're teaching it stuff stop it this is not good it's like god you are such a bummer man like just like it's a human advancement sure it's gonna happen whatever just let it let the box take

over. Sorry, I'm derailing your story. Go ahead. No, but that's exactly right. It's going to happen. Like, you can't stop it. You know, you can't stop the AI. You can't stop people for learning how to fly. I know, I was in LA last week and there was a big billboard for, there's an Oppenheimer movie or show coming up. You know, so like, Oppenheimer was like, I have to do this. Otherwise, the Nazis are going to do it. You know, like, we have to do it first. Like, though, like, knowing that it's like, technically a bad thing, you know, but you have to do it first. So I'm thinking about. One more thing. Brett Weinstein only wears open-toed sandals

I know and he's like fucking 57 so it's like yellow toes anyways go ahead I'm sorry to hear that that's disgusting so okay so that's the lens that we're thinking of like you know it's an evolution and like what humans know during this time so for my source

is this book called radioactive it's so good so I listen to the audio book but it's based on a graphic novel So I bought the graphic novel, visual portion. Look how cool it is. I'll take pictures. It has, like, cool pictures and stuff and, like, drawings, that page is blank. You know what I mean? It's cool.

How is that a graphic novel? Because it's got pictures in the novel. Isn't that the same thing? I think we're like Frank Miller when I think of graphic novels, but it's fine. Okay. Whatever. It's great. And it also is a movie that is on Amazon called Radioactive, and a Taylor Joy is in it.

She's in everything. So whatever. So I also, okay. So thinking about Marie and Pierre Curie, I tend to, like, get super into, like, the subjects that I'm researching each week. So, like, being, thinking like Marie Curie is fun because you have to be super smart, like, smarter than everyone. And you have great posture, I don't right now. But she, like, had a great posture. She was super smart.

And she didn't, like, indulge. Like, Oscar Wilde, when we talked about him, he was, like, super smart, but he was, like, indulgent. You know, he was like, like, like, Marie Curie would never have gotten fat. She was just, like, studied and, like, wanted to, like, be smarter than everyone because she was and, like, knew that she could be. So this is basically a book report of this book that I read, this graphic novel. And I also am like, why are book reports like in the culture bad or like annoying? When I'm like, if I read a book, I want to talk about it. Of course I do.

So I'm excited to book report this to you. Well, I think it's bad because if you force someone to read a book. Yes, true. But if you're like, choose a book. Exactly. Yeah. So I kind of mentioned some other, you know, Oppenheimer. We'll talk more about some of these tragedies that came out of this.

At the end of the film radioactive, they have Marie Curie, like, as she's dying, they have her, like, walking through, like, the ruins of Chernobyl and, like, Hiroshima and, like, things like that. Like, they have her, like, kind of seeing the future, which is interesting. So we'll recap those at the end. So Pierre Curie, who was older, he was born on May 15th, 1859 in Paris. His father was a doctor, encouraging to go into science. He had a degree by the time he was 16 and started working at the Sorbonne, which is a school in Paris.

They say that, like, all the time. So Sorbonne. Brie was born Maria Slodiscova on November 7, 1867, in Warsaw, Poland. So she was the youngest of six children in Russian-controlled Poland. It was very tightly controlled by the Russian government at this time. When she was 16, she went to visit family in the Carpathian Mountains and started to really get into science and nature. I only really mentioned that also because whenever I hear Carpathia, I think of Vigo from Carpathia, which is also from Ghostbusters too. Yes, we did not record that part, but me and I were discussing Ghostbusters earlier on before we started recording.

So another Ghostbusters 2 reference, but yeah, so, you know, Vigo of Carpathia, if you know, you know. So Maria, when she was still Maria, she wanted to study, she was really smart and she wanted to learn more. The Russian rulers didn't want Polish people, especially women, to get an education. They wanted to like qualsh, like Polish history, culture, language. You don't want anybody to learn anything. They just wanted them to like, you know, serve Russia. So she joined a secret school called the Flying University, which is called Flying because it was like in secret places and they would take like math classes and chemistry

and like all, like in people's apartments and back rooms and that kind of thing. The Flying University was founded in 1882 and she attended from 1891 to 92 before she got the money to study at the Sorbonne in Paris. And it was eventually shut down the flying university by Russia in 1905, which is probably a fun story that maybe we can talk about later. But that's pretty cool. But before she was able to go to Paris, she needed to raise some money. So she took a job as a governess for a family just outside of Warsaw. While she was there, she fell in love with the son of the family.

He was older and they fell in love. And his parents were like, you can't marry her. She's just like a common person. So he left her and left her kind of heartbroken. So by the time she moves to Paris, she's like heartbroken, and she's really intent on studying. She lives in, like, a small, like, attic room where it's always cold, and she just, like, reads and just, like, learns, and she got this spot at the Sorbant to study. Out of 1,800 students that were there, only 23 were women, and so she was one of those. So now, both of them are in Pierre and Marie.

She changed her name from Myra to Marie to sound more French. both of them are at the Sarban starting magnetism they're setting like magnets are heating up metals trying to figure out if it can do different things things like that and also I wanted to note like she does change her name to Marie but she did want to be called Skalskova Curie professionally so she always was like really attached to Poland and wish she could go back but it was like too dangerous for her to be there she was in a lab that was very crowded and so someone got her space in Pierre's lab and like I don't even know what that means like can you you imagine working in a lab i mean i've taken biology classes where you have to be in a lab it's just like

i just imagine being like oh i need more space for my graduated cylinders like i can't have i need more time with his bunsen burner yeah i mean it's like when you had like split the frog between you and like three other kids you know when you dissected it or the earthworm yes it's probably just like that totally oh my god my friend aldi who i was good friends with in high school we dissected the frog together and i don't know like what cologne he wore but then just from then on he smelled like dead frogs to me like he didn't but it associated with the dead frogs you know so i was just like did you all get the fetal pigs no we got fetal pigs how is that uh i don't know if that's good for a young mind to be exposed to it probably has

my obsession with true crime probably has something to do with having just cut up in the guts of a fetal animal and here we are here we are so pierre and maria working together and lab. He gave her some space in his lab. They ended up, you know, falling in love. They got married on July 26, 1895. They honeymooned in the French countryside. And they were just super happy. They were really, like, happy to be working together. Two years later, they had a daughter, Irene, pronounced Yeren, because they're French. And now they're in their lab. And they're working together. They're very happy. They work like very side by side. They like write notes together. Like they, like, there's pages of notes that have like both their handwritings on it. Like they're

really working together, like really great. And this is a really fucking exciting time to be a scientist because of all these things that are happening. So they didn't invent the x-ray in, which I feel like is something that I heard and like thought, but they did not. So in 1895, a German man named Wilhelm Rottengan noticed that stuff in his lab was like making things glow. And he didn't know what it was. So we called it an x-ray, X as an unknown. So that's what he was. He found it. He was the first person to actually take an x-ray he took an x-ray of his wife's hand and wait i think i have it in this book i'll show you um i took an x-ray of his wife's hand and when she saw it she said i've seen my death

it was the first time anybody had seen bones like that which is pretty pretty wild that was like just a little bit over a hundred years ago i mean back then they thought that taking a picture of you was stealing your soul so i can't imagine what the hell this look like for fucking real like just like how scary would that be to be like oh my god i have bones like if you think about the fact that on like skull that's scary but I don't think about it we're just bones we're bones tissue

yeah I don't know if I can find it but Peter and Reed do look kind of cool like they look kind of badass in this picture yeah oh this is the hand that's the first x-ray ever

yeah and this is like her ring she was wearing and then like her hand god yeah she got so much cancer after that was taken oh 100% yeah I know she was definitely like

they were like licking it after it was on you know so meanwhile While another scientist named Henri Bacarrel had some uranium, like in his office, like you do. And he put it in a drawer with a photographic plate and went home for the weekend. And then when he came back, the photographic plate looked as if it had been exposed to light. So that's when they discovered that uranium could glow. Is that a big discovery?

Yes. Because and so what that did is it inspired the curies to start studying these substances. They even needed new glassware, like new. shapes of glassware so she learned how to blow glass to like figure this out so they're like doing chemistry things they're boiling things they're trying to separate these atoms what they're discovering is that the atom is not the smallest thing so people thought that the atom was like indivisible you can't break an atom and they were finding out that you can and you can manipulate it to make these like other elements essentially is what they discovered Marie she was the first person to use the word

radioactivity so that's the shit that's what she called the process of like changing the atom to make another element she also slept with a little bottle of like glowing radium like in her bed because she was like constantly thinking about it they just like didn't know it was like brand new you know like i felt like i was kind of thinking like when you were talking about like nirvana being like this is music that no one's ever heard before you know like this is a discovery that like no one knows anything about like this is brand new which is so so in this hypothetical is kurt cobane marie currie and peter is Courtney love I think so, yeah.

Okay. Yeah. Thanks for putting in, thanks for putting in an analogy that I would understand. You got it. You got it. Another fun kind of side note is that, like, people, some people who, like, loved the glowingness of radium and radioactivity were people

who did seances. So this was, like, also, like, a big time for, like, spiritualism. So, you know, they're like, oh, now I can, like, you know, make the air glow. And I can, like, paint the ceiling a weird thing and, like, make things seem more ghostly and, like, things like that. So people who sayances use. it all the time as well and also people were like well you can see our bones now why can't we see ghosts next you know like what's next it was like what's next for like human science like if science

can find a way to like look into our bodies can it find a way to like look into other things because another thing that they were discovering is that like there's invisible things all around us you know like air is full atoms like everything's like invisible but we can still like see through it so super exciting there was like a dancer who wanted a dress made out of like all like radioactive materials when she was dancing she was like glowing and like people loved it um it was also in like a whole bunch of stuff like the radiathor things like that because they didn't patent it they could have and they could have made a lot of money on it but they didn't because they were like this is like an important scientific discovery for the world so people just kind of ran with it

this kind of reminds me of your story of the bounty where they're just like eating these like incredibly precious rare turtles like they're nothing and here they're just like willy-nilly just throwing around uranium like it's not like now it's probably one of the hardest substances on earth to like get your hands on yeah and they're just like painting the walls with it exactly they're like rolling around their hands being like this is cool you know not good they also discovered they discovered radium first and then they discovered polonium which is another another radioactive thing and shamed at polonium after poland after her her home country. People just loved it, and it was everywhere. In 1900, Pierre, I don't know,

as an experiment, puts some radium in a little jar, and he tied it to his arm to see what would happen. Like, what would happen if I kept it this close to me for, like, a certain, a long period of time? So after 40 days, it did start to, like, create, like, a big open wound on his arm. And so that was, like, a big discovery because it could destroy tissue. So could destroy disease tissue and basically this is the only thing that we have that's a good care for cancer is really yeah in in in wait that's what chemotherapy is is like uranium poisoning yeah they it's it's radiation yeah it's radiation killing your cells um and hopefully killing the bad ones and what it does is it fundamentally changes the DNA of the cells to make sure it doesn't

so it either doesn't so it doesn't so it doesn't reproduce or it's too damage to like to continue to live And that's what it, that's what it is. In France, they call chemotherapy curie therapy. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. So essentially, like, that's, that's the big thing. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, it's 123 years later. It's like, that's like the best we can do still. Also, in 1903, Pierre and Marie won the Nobel Prize. She was the first women to win it. The prize, the Nobel Prize, you know, still exists today. You know, it was created by Alfred Nobel.

He's the person who invented dynamite. and with all of his dynamite money he created this prize there's a whole bunch of different you know categories that you can win one in when you win you get a gold medal a circle gold medal a diploma and you get about a million dollars pretty yeah when you win all that dynamite money all that dynamite money so pierre went to sweden alone to accept the award kind of because she was a woman and men are awful and they like wanted to give it to her but they didn't really want to see her getting it and also because she wasn't feeling well like she was starting to get sick and so

was everybody like everybody's finally starting to get sick pierre was especially sick and he was in a lot of pain he was like coughing up blood um pierre's the one who like strapped it to his body for 40 days right yeah yeah so he's super sick and they're like uh oh like this thing that we invented or discover that we thought was amazing is like making people sick and now they're starting to see it so actually so they get the Nobel Prize in 1903 in 1906 Pierre was walking alone at night in Paris and um he may have been sick he made me had a wrong turn like whatever but he got hit by a carriage the horses like kind of like trampled him a little bit but then the wheels of the carriage split his head open and he died so he died with his brains all over the street just not not not not pretty

where does geranium come from is it created through other elements or do you just like mine for it and you find it in the earth i think that you have to like get it uranium i don't know radium you have to like make out of other elements i think do you are you looking at well where does uranium come from okay that's probably a better thing to search so uranium naturally occurs it's in in like ore so you can get uranium from like ore but radium it's okay radium is come from the decay of uranium so they like sped up like half life and like the decay of their uranium and that's what made the radium okay I'm glad I asked I mean I'm glad you asked you I only still sort of understand it but yeah you know like yeah that's what I'm saying

like they're in their lab like they figure out they it took like millions of gallons of water and like millions of hours and millions of like cubits of gas to like heat the water and all these things to get like half a gram of radium you know like so they'd have to like distill it in some way. Right. So Marie was devastated. She had two kids at this point. Pierre is gone.

So she was given Pierre's professorship at the Sarban, which is bittersweet because, you know, it was exciting that she was able to get that job. So he was a professor there. She was the first woman. She's actually also the first woman in France to get a PhD. And so she was now a professor. Four years later after Pierre's death, Marie began an affair with a former student of Pierre's named Paul Langavan. Paul Langavan was married. So that was the bad thing when they

had their, had their affair. And his wife was really pissed, like, fair. But she in the movie is played by the woman who plays Jen Barber in the IT crowd. She's like hard to take seriously because she's so funny in the IT crowd. But so she was like going to make it public. She's going to publish their letters. She's going to tell everybody. She like wanted a divorce. She was just like so mad about this. Paul himself was super smart. In the 1940s, he would be arrested by the Nazis for being in the French resistance. So he's super cool. Einstein, literally Einstein, wrote that Paul would have been the guy to discover the theory of relativity if he would have had more time. Like, Einstein was a little bit older than, or younger than him, so he was able to do it. But Einstein was

like, this guy's as smart as me. This is a bunch of like real smart people. So like Paul and Marie and Pierre smartest people. People started to get mad at at Marie for having to do. And he's just like, this affair because starts to get public they start calling her names like an immigrant and like you know calling her a Jew as like an insult when she wasn't she was Catholic but like people just like wanted her out of France because of this which is really weird because you're like who cares you know she's one of the smartest people also wouldn't you like yeah wouldn't you take pride in having I mean yeah like she's ridiculously smart like get over it and then speaking of Einstein while she's in the middle of this Einstein wrote her a letter that was like oh don't worry you know

your personal life isn't you know like whatever who cares about your personal life and then they also noted in this book that Einstein also had just had like a child with one of his students and then also he ended up marrying his cousin which I didn't know yeah I remember he married his cousin I remember yeah so lots of cousin cousin lovers people were hard to find back then there's so many people I guess Paul's wife you know wanted to break them up there were duels between There's a duel between Paul and a reporter that involved guns, but they didn't shoot. They were like, this is silly. Like, that's not shoot.

So all this crazy stuff is happening in her personal life. In the middle of it, Marie wins a second Nobel Prize. So she's not only the first women to win a Nobel Prize. She's the first person to win one twice. This time she won for chemistry. Sweden asked her not to come to the ceremony because of this affair and this, like, scandal in the paper. And she said, quote, there's no connection between my scientific work and the facts of my private life. So she's like, fuck you, I'm super smart.

I'm coming. So she went to Sweden and accepted her second Nobel Prize. Eventually, Paul and his wife do get divorced, but the spark between Marie and Paul was gone, and they stopped being together. So now, it's World War I. And Marie is sick. She's super sick. Like, she's going to die from all of this radiation poisoning that she's had.

Ren, their daughter, is also a scientist. She is also super smart. she ends up with her husband winning another Nobel Prize later. So like the family's out of control. During World War I, it's still like the beginning of not like, you know, of like science, like medicine and all those things. So like they're still using like Civil War style like medicine. So like people are getting amputated like everywhere.

So like if you're like my foot hurts, they're going to cut it off. They're not going to look at it. They're not going to be like, oh, maybe your toes broken. They're going to just cut it off. It's like what they've been doing. And Erin goes to her. mom and she's like, mom, you can help these people by giving them x-rays. So they invented the first portable x-ray machines and they brought them to the battlefields of World War I. They made

18 mobile x-rays. So they put them in like an ambulance and 200 non-mobile ones and just saved countless lives because they were like, this guy's hand is broken. He needs a sling. He doesn't need to have his arm cut off. So it saved a ton of people. Also going back to Paul, just I think one more thing about him, he created the first submarine detector. So he essentially created sonar. So they did a lot of help during the wars as well, during both world wars. So after this, Marie, you know, developed an institute, the Curie Institute in Paris, where people could study. She went to the U.S. She met with President Harding. She, like, traveled around the world, talking about what she had learned. But her health was failing, obviously. She could barely see. She could barely walk. She passed away

on July 4th, 1934, of various radiation poisonings that led to, like, anemia. Makes sense. Aren and her husband also, you know, they won that Nobel Prize, but they also had some health problems because of all of the radiation. They had a daughter named Helena, and Helena in 1948 married Paul's grandson. So Marie and Paul, their grandchildren, got married, which is lovely. Yeah, that's cute. Because they were happy to.

So Marie and Pierre are both interned in the Pantheon and Parenthood. Paris. Their bodies were moved there in 1995. They were in a cemetery and they got moved there. Their bodies and their work are still super radioactive. Their coffins are lined with lead. And if you wanted to actually look at their like notebooks, you have to like wear a hazmat suit. And you can't touch it. With the way that half, with the way that radium works like the half life. So like half life is like and this time it'll be half and then it gets like faster and faster. Her body will be half as radioactive as it is right now in 1500 years. so she's gonna be radioactive for like a really long time but how was she when she died like 64

that's she lived like a i mean for that time that's probably like a normal lifespan right yeah i think so too all things considered yeah just juggling with the most toxic chemical substances in the world yeah like literally holding it that's that's their story and you know no matter what happened you know from their discoveries like maria sclatova aka marie currie she was like obviously like a a pioneer for women in science. She broke down glass ceilings or even heard about glass ceilings. But I do want to talk about some of the bad things, like some of the kind of crazy things that happened, you know, from these discoveries. So in the 1920s, also in New Jersey, I don't if you heard this story, but there was a watch factory called the U.S. Radium Corporation.

And they would make those watches to make the hands glow, which is great. And the way they would do that is they would paint the hands with radioactive paint. And it was such a fine line needed to paint that the women who did it would just like lick the brushes so their faces also fell off yeah about 800 women were working there many of them died of cancer most of them and then many of them had like huge problems with their face like their whole face like decaying they won a landmark case up for workers rights in 1928 but many of them were already dead by that time yeah remember this story yeah also obviously like the nuclear bombs you know those that technology came from this. We know about, you know, the Manhattan Project, physicist and the Manhattan

project named Irving S. Lowen. He defied orders to keep it tap secret. So it was a total secret. Like the president didn't even know about it. And to tie back to another episode, he talked to Eleanor Roosevelt because no one would listen to him. This scientist from the Manhattan Project, Irving Lohen, talked to ER. She talked to FDR and was like, they need more money because if they don't do this, the Nazis are going to do it first. So like that is the absolute worst case scenario is if the Nazis get a nuclear bomb you know so we have to do work it faster so they got more money but irving lowen was fired and never like got any like recognition for me and the person that like actually got it over over the thing obviously we the u.s got it first on august 6th 1945 815 in the

morning the united states bombed the city of hiroshima japan the stories are unbelievable the destruction and the confusion everybody holding their skin in the movie they do a great scene where it's like they're in Japan and there's like kids running in the streets and like all these beautiful signs and like all this like stuff and then someone looks up and just like sees it coming and they just like get destroyed in this picture in this book that I have I'll take a picture of this too there's like this paper cut out of someone like a black figure of a body and this Japanese woman had cut it out as like an art project because she when she found her father after the bomb he was totally black his skin was totally black and when she touched him

the skin came off and she saw his muscles that's how burned and people were just like carrying their skin and then obviously tons of people more people died because of radiation afterwards so unbelievable. In the 1950s they were still doing nuclear tests in Nevada around all these like fake towns

where they would like fill the houses with like you know mannequins from JCPenney and you know that kind of we've all seen the hills have eyes. Yes exactly so like that and it was that it was also a new West Anderson movie

that they're in one of those towns too that's coming out i think soon so that'll be fine so but everyone who lived around those towns has cancer you know makes sense it's just obviously one of my favorite stories is i'm not looking this up now was oppenheimer getting a meeting with president truman and just being like this is the worst thing in the world i have blood on my hands this this and the other thing and i'm reading this quote from wikipedia where it says the remark infuriated Truman and who put an end to the meeting. Truman later told his undersecretary, I don't want to see that son of a bitch in my office ever again. So he like really pissed Truman off by being all whiny about like the bomb. He was like, I got to make the

decision and whatever. You can feel however you want to feel about it. Yeah. That's that's a. But I also heard that mostly what the reason why America did that to Hiroshima and Nagasaki he was actually mostly to deter Russia or the USSR. It actually had nothing to do with like trying to save like American lives or end the war quickly. It had more to do with like we need them to know that we are serious. Yeah. I mean, someone had to do it first, you know. Did they do they have to?

Yes. And I think that's that's that's that's that's the part that with like all these bad things like, you know, creating the AI that's going to destroy the world. Like someone's going to do it. It's happening. You know, there's no way to stop it. Yeah. There's also been some nuclear reactor disasters in 1979, three-mile island in Pennsylvania.

People there all have cancer. Everyone is dead or dying. Also in the 80s, obviously, the Chernobyl exploded. There's a great series in HBO about Chernobyl. But in both those cases, it's like a great series of like small failures that led to a huge failure. You know, like one person was late. One person like spilled their coffee on the board. One person like didn't read one rule, like whatever.

and it just like compounded into something really, really terrible. A lot of people died there as well. 2006, I don't know if you remember this, but a Russian spy named Alexander de Venko was killed by polonium. Yeah, like stabbed him. They just like punctured him with something, maybe like an umbrella. I forgot what it was, but yeah.

Yeah, and he had like a quick, like a, I don't know if it was quick, but he like, you know, died of radiation poisoning, like pretty, pretty, pretty. And plutium is like impossible to get, too. So it was like definitely a Russia who did it to him. all that. So the good things that, you know, came from this, obviously, like, they proved that atoms had particles. So that's, like, what you learned in elementary school. They were the first nuclear physicists. They are the closest thing to a cure for cancer. They, their work created radiation

detectors to, like, help detect radiation, like, that's, like, in nature. And then understanding, like, the half-life of radium and of different elements can help you understand how old the world is. So it's just, like, obviously, like, an incredible contribution to science. The next step is, like, literally anything like the only way we're going to go to space is with nuclear power so you know if we want to travel the universe we need it and there are in space right now there are asteroids and craters on planets named after the curies because like everyone knows that that they are they are the people who are going to make that possible the way that we get there so yeah it could be anything that comes next with that but it comes from the infinite power of the atom and the curie has discovered it's very cool

Yeah. Good for them. Yeah. What a terrible way to go. Just slowly poisoning yourself with radiation. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Like everything you have is poison. Yeah.

There was, did you, when you said the New Jersey story, I thought you were going to talk about that guy who built an atomic, he built, he either built like an atom bomb or like a nuclear reactor in his, in his, like, shed. Did you hear that story? No. The guy looks like he's melting Oh my god I built Radio Nuclear man

I know Nuclear man DC No Nuclear man built reactor And shed I mean once you start Googling nuclear stuff I'm just like oh god

Nuclear boy Yeah there he is David Hahn That's it Yeah So he, they called him, sometimes called the Radioactive Boy Scout or the Nuclear Boy Scout. He was a radiation enthusiast and he built a neutron source at the age of 17, FBI. And then the FBI learned he was doing this. Whoa.

He died in his hometown. He should not have that stuff. Yeah. Boy Scout 17 and his entire neighborhood radioactive after building a nuclear reactor at his mom's garden. yeah yep people shouldn't have that power yeah wild okay wild cool story Taylor thanks I am going to transition over to the true crime side of the equation so we're gonna we're gonna discuss AI again in this so I thought I do today's episode on a topic kind of similar to last week which touched on a true crime theme that seems kind of rare which is crimes and people

that we're glad things had bad things happen to kind of like last week yeah okay that makes with march yeah so i kind of discuss this too like we're a lot you know where people have a tendency to aggrandize the dead and say that there are people are amazing once they die when we all know that that's just not always true yeah there are some cases where people just like tickled pink that somebody was killed and think that they got their just desserts so i will say that these stories are kind of tough to find because very few people are eager to celebrate publicly the death of other people, right? It's just not considered like, it's considered uncouth, I would say.

Yeah. So I scoured the internet and kept trying to find these stories. And I had a hard time. So I went to our AI friend chat, GBT. Oh. And I asked the question, quote, what are some situations where people were glad so was murdered. And here's what the AI replied with. Quote, as an AI language model, it is not appropriate or ethical to provide examples of situations where people were glad someone was murdered.

Celebrating or justifying the taking of a human life goes against fundamental principles of human dignity in the value of human life. Murder is a serious crime that should never be condoned or celebrated regardless of the circumstances. It is important to promote peace. justice and nonviolent solutions to conflict I felt like I was getting lectured sheesh yeah it's judging you you're on a list I'm definitely on a list now how elaborate is that it's really it's so funny but it's also like it's kind of gross because it's like this weird response of like the dignity of human it's like are we really that sad that bin laden's dead like do we really think that all human life is really equally valuable no of course it's not yeah it's just like this weird response

I don't know. It's tone deaf at the very least. But I definitely, definitely am on a list now. So, so anyway, finding info on people in the world that's glad it's dead. It was kind of hard to do, but I did find two stories I thought were basically that. And they all had, they both had one centralized red flag, which was, don't be a dick. And if you are consistently a dick to enough people, expect people to kill you. So I'm not going to do both stories today. I'm going to do one of them. And I'm putting the other one in the back pocket to use another time. But I'm going to start with a story of a man named Ken Rex McElroy. Have you heard that name before? I know a story about this topic. I don't know if it's the one that you're going to do,

but I don't want to say anything. So you just go. Okay. It probably is. Okay. It's a very famous story. Okay. So Ken was murdered in 1981 at the age of 47. And to say people were thrilled to see him go would be an understatement. So Ken live, than Skidmore, Missouri, which is a small farming town that is only known for Ken's murder and for what's called a pumpkin show, not pumpkin, punkin show, which, I mean, I researched this a little bit. It's kind of like a festival. There's like tractor pools. It's like a county fair, but even like smaller and more isolated than that. Are there pumpkins? Can you bring one? There's, there was no pictures of pumpkins. It looked like it was a, it looks like a thing where you just go

there and eat funnel cake and watch like tractor pulls, which I don't even know what a tractor pole is. I don't either, but I know what funnel cake is and I like funnel cake. Funnel cake's great. What? They call them elephant ears too. Yeah, I think I'm like New Jersey. They call him that. Yeah. Yeah. So going back to Ken, sorry, sidetrack. Ken's childhood is basically what you would expect. He had 15 siblings and so his parents did what they could. Yeah. These people hated protection. Oh my God. protectors. But like obviously when you have 16 children total, because Ken's one of them and he had 15 siblings, he kind of just raised himself. Yeah, totally. And by virtue of raising

yourself, you become kind of a small time criminal. Yeah. Ken would have 21 charges brought up against him for basically just various stealing of various things. And all 21 times, the charges were dropped because the main witness would be intimidated to not showing up for court and testifying against Ken. So those is his tactic. He would just do terrible things and then intimidate the people they could actually put him in jail for doing those terrible things. Amazing. How many people are in the town? I don't know. I should look that up. I'm going to look that up right now. Population of Skidmore. So as of 2020, it was 1400. So back then, probably a thousand, give or take. Oh yeah, that's real small. And like most of them are his siblings. Yeah, mostly. Yeah, he's related to most

So, like 10% of the city, it's the siblings. So, and also his progeny, so as Ken grew up, he was kind of a womanizer, which I don't me know how that works when you're this scummy. So Ken had 10 kids with various women. Yeah, all he does is steal shit. And he's having, like, he wouldn't want to have his kids. It's the weirdest thing. He ended up marrying a woman named Trina or Trina.

Trenna, I think it's Trina, who she'll become important later on in the story. I read the following and decided to just quote it directly because I literally had no other way to paraphrase this description. This is describing Trina, okay? Quote, they met when she was 12 years old. He raped Trina repeatedly. Her parents initially opposed the relationship, but after Ken burned their house down and shot the family dog, They begrudgingly agreed to the marriage, end quote. I think it's more begrudging.

That just throws me. What are you talking about? Oh, my gosh. Who are these people? It says, I'm not, I'm not, it literally says they begrudgingly agreed to the marriage after he raped her, burned down their house and shot the family dog, which will be a theme, by the way. Oh, my God. Yeah.

Grudging. I can see that, I can see them being begrudged by that. Yeah, oh, that's a little inconvenient. Yes. Yes. So it's like the equivalent of like a traffic jam is basically how they're describing it. Anyways, okay. So Trina gets pregnant at 14 years old.

Oh, my God. And at this time, mind you, Ken is already married to a woman named Alice. And then Trina comes and lives with Ken and Alice. And Ken marries Trina at this time because she, She's pregnant, and it is the only way he can avoid statutory rape charges. So he tells his wife, honey, I'm sorry, we got to bring this child into the marriage. And I need to divorce you and marry her so I don't go to jail for statutory vaping this 14. Like, who are these people?

I doubt he said, I'm sorry. Yeah, he definitely not saying I'm sorry. Who are these people? like oh my god awful so at one point the two girls alice and trina have to flee ken's house it's like right after she gives birth i think it was like a week after she gives birth their kid because he turns to like a violent raging alcoholic asshole and trina's like let's leave alice let's run to my parents house so they leave ken's house to go to trina's parents house not joking once again ken goes over there burns the house down and shoots the new family

dog oh my god this town sounds like everybody in it shared like a tooth oh my god um so there are various other stories here that if i were to go through them it would literally take a lifetime basically this guy was a total piece of shit he he he treated shooting people shooting people's dogs and burning houses down like it was a game of ding dong ditch like it was nothing to him like he walked around they were they were constantly talking about how he would just drive around town and he had his arms slung out of the the side of his truck holding a gun like just waiting for a reason to shoot people like it was crazy and nobody you didn't ever go to jail because you just shoot you if you if you just fight against him oh my god people shouldn't have guns i'm going to say that

again keep going i wrote that i wrote down his prank like his act his way of prank people would basically just like shoot you in the knees like it was the craziest thing so there's the count stories of people in town who had the exact same experience that Trina and her parents had. But it all kind of escalates in 1980 when one of Ken's kids, like a young kid, like an adult right, like he was still a child, got into an argument with someone at a grocery store in town owned by a 70-year-old man named Ernest Boe Camp, Boen Camp. Apparently, this kid stole something because of course he did because he's his homogene. Yeah, he's not going to be a good kid. No. Yeah. Like, so like, like,

say like these kids like they're not doing dennis the menace type of things they're doing like damien from the omen type things yeah and because his kid was also a piece of shit ken gets pissed off at this owner of this market ernest and his wife lois this is a 70 year old couple right he's mad at them because his son saw something this is a type of person that he hates he's such awful yes he starts constantly threatening them that's his type like again

the guy doesn't have a job right all he does is shoot people in the knees so at one point he actually shoots Ernest in his store in the neck oh my god this 70 year old man somehow he survives he survives and in this case he actually was arrested

and then released on bail and being the person that he is he he immediately goes to local tavern with his gun and starts openly threatening earnest that i'm going to kill this guy like you know he just oh god i really really talking about this yeah i wrote down it was it's hilarious he's like he's pissed that he shot ernest in the neck got arrested for it and he's upset at earnest about this tournament of events right i can't make any logic out of that that makes no sense yeah yeah so the people at the tavern really didn't like this because

a cannes done this to a lot of people in town he's just a horrible piece of shit and then there's a sweet 70 year old couple who owns a local market and they basically decide one morning that the town is just going to come together at i forgot what it was it was like some meeting spot and the goal was let's just figure out what we're going to do about ken apparently the show sheriff is there too. And he's just like trying to like a piece. People was like guys don't get involved in this like just whatever. So he's the sheriff's trying to show people out saying like link link, I'm going to go to jail. Yeah. Yeah. He's trying to do. But he also doesn't do anything to stop anyone. He like drives out of town after this meeting. During the meeting that the town folks

are having somewhere, Ken and his wife Trina go to the local tavern for some drinks. People at the meeting find out that Ken was there. And the citizen's side, let's. let's all go to the tavern. But I could gather, it wasn't obvious that Ken understood what was going on. Like it seemed like he was just kind of drinking and then the bar just filled with people. But like nobody was like surrounding him or anything. It was just like, let's all just be there, you know? Right.

So Ken leaves the bar. He gets in his truck and it is there that he has shot twice. Well, there's a lot of bullets flying, but he actually shot twice by two different caliber weapons. In total, 46 people witnessed a shooting, including Trina, who was in the truck with Ken when the firing started or the shooting started. And Trina identifies a gunman, but was counted by 46 other people who said they didn't do it or they didn't see anybody who did. It is kind of now agreed upon that the person Trina identified is probably the person who started the shooting. it's assumed it's a guy named Del Clement and probably his brother who killed him

but it doesn't seem like they did it because Ken's a jerk it kind of seems like they did it because it was a business move for them so Del and his brother owned that tavern that bar in town the only bar in town and apparently any time Ken came into that bar which he came in a lot people left because nobody wanted to be around it because he's a jerk off

I bet. And so it wasn't thought of as like, oh, this was in retaliation for being the biggest jerk in town. It was like, no, I got to kill this guy because he's driving away my customers. I got to like get rid of him. Yeah, because he's the biggest jerk in town. Well, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Expo facto. Yeah. I think I said that right. So what was interesting is a lot of these people like these town folks, I mean, this happened like 81, right? Yeah. A lot of these people like are dead. nobody said anything like on their deathbed so it was it was presumed del's going to like confess this like obvious obviously all these people died of cirrhosis of the liver so like it was a slow death nobody was like being killed in car accident but nobody said anything it was all assumed like dell on his death but it's like yeah whatever it was me sue me nothing nothing

nobody's talking about this i did read in one um in one it was like a forum where this guy who said he was like 12 years old at the time commented saying I was there my mom took me down there and we all know who did it and I know who did it and I'm also not like it was I don't know it's like it's it's like the claim to fame this town is killing of this one guy so nobody wants talk about it yeah because the DA wouldn't press charges yeah the FBI actually investigate because the FBI was like guys you we can't have vigilante justice like somebody should do something about this and still nobody went to jail for it because it just seems like in general the entire town was happy this guy was dead

it's funny i read this part this is so human ken ken was buried obviously and his tombstone reads this is incredible quote beloved ken brave fearless compassionate end quote and they left off the fucking child rapist and elder abuser part where he shot a 70 year old man in the neck and raped a 12 rolling it's just like why he was none of those things he was none of those things why would you write that yeah you're totally cheap chat gbt's sitting there lecturing me on like the the dignity of human life it's like come on like so ridiculous trina in her defense she sued the city i don't get this woman it sounds like ken was the worst thing that ever happened to her but she like still wanted to like make something out of this she sued the city and the sheriff

for five million dollars again the town wait no this is skidmore in texas i looked up as 1400 what skidmore missouri oh my god taylor what guess how many people are in skidmore missouri as of 2021 500 225 oh no dude that means ken and his family probably back then were legitimately 10 to 20 percent of the town that's crazy that's zillow it yeah you could probably be the richest person in skidmore missouri yeah i mean is it impossible they have zillo there Skidmore. There's one house for sale for $49,000, two bedrooms, one bath, 681 square feet. Oh, God.

It's broken. It's broken? Yeah, this house is broken. It is, windows are broken. It needs to be torn down. Oh, my God. Wait, let's see if they have condos and townhomes there. Yeah, that's a tear down.

Wow. There's nothing for rent. You can't move there. Yeah, it's like two. It's like one big street and then like a bunch of small streets. It's very small. Wait, I'm going to yelp and see if they have a diner there. I bet their diner's got to be really good.

Is that bar still open? Let's find out. Skidmore, Missouri. Google along with us, friends. Oh, wow. They have a place. It's called Good Time Charlies. Nice.

Let's look at the. It is 97 stars. I'm on their Facebook. Oh, it's close. Great service. Waitress was so friendly and accommodating. Clean restaurant. Awesome tenderloins.

definitely going back. Tina loves it. Oh, no. It's... It's sold. It's sold. Yeah, everything was just purchased in the restaurant. There's nothing left. The building is for sale. You can buy the building for $59,000. Wow. Well, so, okay, so factor all this, that in when I tell you this, that Trina sued the city for $5 million. Oh my God, they don't have $5 million. Like, what on earth are you thinking? Yeah.

and eventually they settled at 17,000 so yeah she ended up moving away she ended up getting remarried and dying at the age of 55 probably of like lung cancer because of course I don't mean to be like this but we get the kind of people we're talking about here are they how how are the children ken's 12 children or 10 I don't know let's find out what happen to Ken's children. Ken Rex McElroy children. They all have to be on death row probably, right? I mean, I can't imagine that there aren't a bunch of them in Joe. Gosh, with good time, Charlie's being closed, like, what else do they have there?

Nothing. You just go there to die. I'm sure there's other places you can go. I mean, my town's very small, but still. What place is called the pub? Jeffrey Pansion locate. One person is talking about Jeff, who is one of Ken's kids I worked with him at school for behavioral problems for children because of of course he is an absolutely amazing man he is smart attractive sweet caring and has a bigger heart that anyone I've ever met he is patient kind and very I mean all right maybe maybe some turn out okay I mean there's a lot of them someone's got turned out kind of okay he taught me

a lot about life I mean Jeanetta are you a real person Jeanetta Petalinsky, are you like, for real? That sounds a little fake. You're not wrong. Yeah, I feel like you're like, is it, is it Jeff who's writing this? What is going? Fundraiser by Jeanette. Oh my God, who the fuck is this? My 30-year-old cousin was found dead today.

His father passed away and his mother is in a nursing home. She can't afford to have a funeral queen of the body. He's an only child. Please help if you can. Okay, man. Now I'm just getting sad. how do these people all know each other it's weird how they just like combine forces and like god lord anyways that's um it ken looks awful there's a picture of ken with a dog please yeah i mean he probably

took that dog out and summarily killed it right after the picture was taken wow that's all so far this story he killed two family dogs and burned down two family homes so like he's not doing good Well, so there's been other bad things in Skidmore. There's a boy in 2001, a 20-year-old that disappeared, and they can't, they couldn't find him. There's something weird in like a, but possibly he was connected to a pedophile boy scout leader who was like being someone on the internet that he wasn't. So that guy's gone. And then the third thing happened in, oh, I think someone. this is my recent

someone cut a baby out of someone's womb and tried to steal it in Skidmore yeah wait there's a website called the curse of Skidmore that's wild yeah Skidmore's like a haunted place it sounds like it is it doesn't seem good I kind of want to go there now

I know we can buy the whole town did you see the new Texas chainsaw massacre where they try to buy the town yes like that that you would absolutely to make confederate flags and you would get murdered

I would get murdered you would be fine I would maybe be fine but I'd have to like hide my personality wow hold on on October 16 2000 Greg Drago

beat and strangled his girlfriend Wendy Gillenwater on the day of her death he beat her brutally tied her to his truck and dragged her up and down the road in Skidmore

Jesus only like one road in Skidmore that's terrible and then in 2001 Branson Perry disappeared he was 20 at the time of his disappearance there rumors that he was involved in meth infant of course of course he was involved in methamphetamine then another person Bobby Joe was killed that's the one that's

the one who got her baby ripped out of her oh oh god's so terrible yes still stole her baby because she faked a pregnancy well yeah I mean all the time in the news I feel like that's crazy look anytime you fake a pregnancy the story arc ends with you cutting a fetus out of a pregnant woman yeah it doesn't end with you i don't know i don't know how else it could possibly end yeah what jesse james was killed there really yeah wow we didn't go to skidmore taylor i'm afraid what is going on there i don't want to like i don't know that's that's too much too much it's like dairy it is like dairy yeah Almost exactly.

All righty. Well, that was our story. There was a lot of Googling on this show, on this episode. So we hope that you weren't driving when you were listening to it so that you could Google along. With my editing skills, you're never going to even know. Ooh, nice. Yeah, that's wild. I've heard that story before, and I love that just like people were like, no, this guy had to go.

And at least they like, there's enough sane people at least a little bit in that town to be like, we can't put up of this anymore. and he's a piece of shit. Celebrating or justifying the taking of a human life goes against fundamental principles of respect for human dignity and the value of human life. He had no respect for human life, you know? He was shooting an old man. Yeah.

Don't you lecture me, chat, GPT. What a farce. Anyways, yeah, that's my story. That's crazy. Well, thank you. I'm glad that we talked about that. And I definitely want to hear the other one sometime that you found. You will definitely know the other one.

I will. I'm not going to start Google. I don't want to be in the list that you're on, so I'm not going to Google that. So funny. Yeah, super fun. I'm excited that I went a little bit further back this time. I'm trying to find stuff that's like even further back. I got some stuff in the hopper that's like also like during like Kevin the Great American Revolution time.

But I want to go further back more. So let me know if you have any ideas. Anyone? because there's so many cool stories that happened. And if you know somebody that should be killed, let us know. One of my friends, she was from Virginia in college, and she, I think her grandpa was killed like by the town and no one would ever tell them what happened. Was he a jerk off?

He must have been. Like she was like, her mom was like, I just want to know what happened to my dad. And the town was like, nope. And we're like, why would anyone tell you? And she was like, she kind of like brushed it off. And we were like, what? like what are you talking about like that makes no sense like i need to hear more about the story but like she didn't know anymore so i wonder what that one was it does feel like a texas thing you know

yeah like i could see that happening and for like most of history that was probably fine you know like the half of them mccoy's kill each other all the time you know what i mean like people kill each other all the time like whatever i still think it's fine yeah so i feel like only recently they'd be like all right everyone i love the sheriff leaving town being like I'm going to go to the store. I'll be back in. I see nothing. I'll be back in a few hours. Hope nothing bad happens while I'm gone. Yeah. Yeah. That's one way to remove all accountability for yourself is just it. To leave. Good for him. All righty, Taylor. Well, that is our stories for today. Yeah. Go ahead. Do you want to give any shoutouts or do anything?

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