Doomed to Fail - Ep 197: Gotta Have High Hopes - The DeFeo Family

Episode Date: May 14, 2025

Today, we talk about the incident before the horror in Amityville, Long Island. 23-year-old Ronnie DeFeo murdered his entire family, parents, and four siblings, at 3:15 in the morning. He shot them in their beds while they were sleeping, then he took a bath and went to work. Ronnie would later claim it was a demon, and the grifters who moved in later would say the house was haunted. Lots of great content ensued. We'll talk about what happened to the DeFeo family, some conspiracies, the aftermath, and some dashed 'high hopes.' Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

It's a matter of the people of the state of California versus Hortonthal James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country. All righty. We are here, Taylor, recording live broadcasting to the world. How are you doing today? How are you?

I'm doing well. Thank you. Actually, I'm not doing well. My allergies are acting up. I heard it's really hot over there. It's getting pretty hot here. Yeah. So not the best time of the year, but, you know, pretty.

Pretty. Let's try it. Yeah, it's still pretty. How are these on? Oh, wait. Do you want to introduce us? Sure. Hello, everyone.

Welcome to doomed to fail. I'm going to bring you history's most notorious disasters and epic failures twice a week. And today, as far as this turn. It is. It is my turn. And it is going to be one that I think is pretty familiar, especially to you, Taylor. And probably to our audience. But I'm going to get into, like, the.

factual elements of it and leave the horror theme aspects of it alone. So not going into that piece of it except to kind of explain how all this all kind of happened. But I'm going to get into, it has to do with a sign that is sitting behind me that you order for me when I bought my house. Oh, yay. There we go. Taylor knows exactly what's going on. So when I got my house, Taylor had some craftsman artist person on. on Etsy put together a sign that says high hopes very ornate very well designed um and the reason

she did that is because it was a sign that was hanging outside of the house in amityville that is part of the amityville horror theme movies anthologies i don't know what you'd call them and so what i want to talk about was the underlying story because i went over it again and i just watched a documentary on the underlying crimes it was like so much scarier than the actual than like pretending to have a demon. They're pretending to have a demon. Yes. And so that's why I wanted to go over because I think everybody just hears the Amityville side of it,

the story of it and doesn't go into the rest of it. There's also the weird thing with the Ryan Reynolds version where they talked about like how it was an Indian burial ground and this guy like John Ketchum or something killed a bunch of like all that's like the real story is scary. Yeah, the real story is scary. Yeah. You stick to the real story. So I'm going to I'm going to start and you probably know this.

death. I do. Yeah. Well, I do, but I know, but I want to hear more about it. Yeah. And I definitely you said Amityville movies. There's like Amityville Horror 7 from the 70s, like they get progressively more and more ridiculous. They just came out with one in 2023, I think. The last breath Amityville or so I forgot what it was called, but I watched a documentary on it and I read the reviews on it and it's not at the house. It's not Amityville. It's like, no, like the one I saw was with Betty Davis, I think, and it was like, they got like a lamp from the house that like made everything haunted in California. Yeah, it's getting really out there and like they all kind of suck. I did really like the Ryan Reynolds one. I thought that was really well done. But it was they threw

in a bunch of stories in there that didn't have to be in there. Yeah. So first things first, just to clear the air, like what the story was about. So the Andyville horror series, it's based on the accounts of a real couple named George and Kathy Lutz who moved into the house that was then 112 Ocean Avenue in Amityville, New York in December of 1975. The address is not 112 anymore. The owner changed it to 108 because people were just gawking at it constantly. Well, that's been too bad. Everyone knows now.

Everybody knows. They also changed the iconic windows on the outside. And now they made them like swear, which kind of sucks. but it's a beautiful house and it has that boathouse it's huge it's on the water everything huge thanks yeah it's beautiful if you have to live on Long Island live there yeah it's a very upper good food yeah it's a very upper middle class well back then was upper middle class now it's like wealthy I mean I think that house probably sold for like two three million

dollars yeah yeah that's how the houses in Long Island are no longer cheap yeah so so going back to the Lutz is they stayed at the house for about 28 days this is all factual this is not about the horse right they stay at the house for 28 days during which they said they experienced a bunch of paranormal things happening and then they fled the house. Two months later, they got in touch with Ed and Lorraine Warren

who were paranormal investigators who said they sensed the dark energy in the house because of course they did. It's how they make their money. And then the Lutzes went to Jay Anson who wrote a book and that was followed up with a bunch of movies that's called the Amityville horror. That's the story.

Amazing. So let's talk about what happened before this happened because that's where the meat and potatoes are and it's really good. So 13 months before the Lutz's acquired the 3,600 square foot home, it was five bedrooms for $80,000 in 1975. How crazy is that? I know.

Before they did that, 13 months earlier, a family named the Defeo's lived there. So today's story is about them. And, yeah, it was just inspired by the sign behind me because of your thoughtfulness. So let's start with, we're going to start the story. with Louise Marie Briganti, which is her maiden name, who is the wife of the matriarch of the family, let's call her. She was born in 1931 to a wealthy Brooklyn family. She came from a traditional Italian-American family,

and she had a very, very opinionated father, who was also very well-to-do, and he owned a Puyuk dealership. So she met a guy named Ronald DeFaio Sr. In the late 1940s, when they were both around 18, 19 years old, the records were a little bit fuzzy on that. that. He did not come from a well-off family. And my understanding was that

you know, if you're not from that kind of a background and like, you're kind of a hothead. Like if you're, if you're a guy who's like trying to survive in America in this era, like you're going to be a little of a hot head. And he definitely had that reputation. And he was Italian. I'm not trying to throw aspersions, but

it is what it is. Yeah. I mean, I see from Brooklyn too, because I can imagine. Yeah. I mean, I just like a newsy. Even though that was like way before. But you know what I'm going like a little Brooklyn kid, being like, you can picture it, like fist fights everywhere.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So despite the, despite the objections from Louise's father, the two ended up getting married and eventually Louise's dad

gave Ronnie a really good paying job as a service manager at his dealership. They would go on to have five kids and in order of oldest, the youngest, you have Ronald Jr., you have Don, Allison, Mark,

and John Matthew. So you have five kids. On the outside, the family was perceived as just like a normal upper middle class family living in like a like I said like a wealthier neighborhood in private the dad kind of ruled the house with an iron fist this is Ronnie senior um he was apparently never abusive to anybody else in the household except Ronald Jr. who we're going to call Ronnie from here on out yeah the more you learn about him the more

you're like yeah I probably would have beaten this kid too like some kids just need to get beat like I'm sorry like I know that I know we have like different kind of parenting styles now you just got to hate your kids every now and then just I'm not a parent But that's what I think. I'm a parent, and I'm a no on that, but keep going. So Ronnie seems like the first generation of the newly wealthy, like kind of spoiled, more interested in experiences, no matter how dark those experiences ended up being. He was, you remind me the people you hate Taylor, like, you don't have like the people that he went to school with. Yeah.

Why do I have to work? Why don't have to do anything? Why can everything be fun? And, like, that's what this guy seems like. Yeah. So Ronnie, his history included being suspended from school a couple of times, being caught with heroin and LSD, using heroin and LSD, getting in fights, getting arrested. He had pulled a gun on his dad before, and he'd even been caught embezzling from the dealership, his grandfather's dealership, which is such scumbed behavior. By contrast, the other four seemed totally normal.

Well, they were described as intelligent, sweet, nice kids, normal activities, played sports, did band, like all that kind of stuff. They were just little kids. Was the chicken and egg, what came first? Was Ronnie always an asshole? So his dad was mean to him or his dad mean to him to become an asshole? The age old question. I don't know. The age old question.

Yeah. Well, it sounds like, I mean, he was, from all accounts, he was not abusive to his wife, which is like wild from that time period. So I don't know. TBD, I guess. Cool. So the house, the layout of the house, so it was a two-story house and a had an attic. They named the house, like I said, High Hopes and placed a placard, the one that you got from me outside of it. The downstairs was just living area, and the upstairs was just bedrooms and bathrooms.

So the entire house slept, or the entire family slept upstairs on the second floor in the house, including Ronnie up to this point, which is going to be when he's 23 years old in 1974. so do you care all the ages because the age like it's worth noting that I do yeah I do yeah so Ronnie's 23 the next oldest would have been Don at 18 the next oldest was Allison at 13 then you have market 12 and you have John at 9 why does Ronnie still live there well we're going to get into that I guess also okay I could get get into it I don't know I don't know if he moved out as quickly as you did or supposed to or we think you're supposed to now so he had a lot of problems he had a lot of problems and his mother sounds like she enabled it because she would give him money and let him do whatever he wanted and so that's that's kind of the reason why he ended up staying there so with that said about the way let's get the night of november 13th 1974 that night the defeo seemed to have a normal evening no arguments or fighting was reported and the parents and other kids had gone to sleep by around 1030 p.m. that night

Ronnie had gone to his room to use heroin Not great Yeah Around 3.15 a.m., which is why every movie has 3.15 a.m. as like the hour. The clock stopped or whatever. Around 3.15 a.m., Ronnie grabbed his 35 caliber Marlin rifle and went room to room. Oh, sorry, he went from his room one over to his parents' rooms. So they were the first ones.

They were sound asleep, and he should. shot them twice each while they were face down. He then went one bedroom over from theirs to their 13-year-old sister Allison's room and shot her one time in the head. She was also face down, although forensic evidence would indicate that she may have been awake very, very briefly before she died based on the angle of the bullet. He then went to his brother's Mark and John's room and shot each one of them in the back while they were lying face down.

Then lastly, went to his sister Don's room and shot her. in the head she was also found face down the face down part is called out a bunch because apparently the rifle he used sounds like a cannon going off and investigators are surprised that nobody seemed to have woken up or made any attempt to investigate or flee the scene also

none of the neighbors reported hearing anything that night which like you're looking at hold on it's six shots no it's it's eight shots that he took because he doubled up on his parents So there was enough time To wake up and hear it, I think

Do you sleep on your stomach? No, I'm a side sleeper I don't know anyone who sleeps on their stomach It's weird that everyone would Well, it's genetic, right? Is it a genetic? I have no idea. I'm just saying if we're thinking,

my mom sleeps like a princess, like snow white. She's perfectly on her back With her hands over her, like she's snow white in a coffin. It's incredible. It's incredible. It's incredible. She doesn't move at all. Do you do that? No, I like sleep on my side

and a t-shirt over my face and like usually there's a child in my arms but like no I just think it's interesting I don't feel like five four people wait four six people sleeping the exact same way is weird yeah yeah just trying to conspiracy this a little bit there's plenty of conspiracy so we can just add this to the list Ronnie after he did this he took a bath and he he changed his clothes he also cleaned up his room a little bit which was typically a cluttered mess because he's a hair heroin addict and he wrapped the rifle in a pillowcase and drove 30 miles to Brooklyn and dumped it in a storm drain. That was his plan. He then went to his job at his grandfather's dealership and was heard complaining to coworkers about not being able to get in touch with his family. He even called the house and pretended to be surprised when no one answered. He left work around 130 and decided to swing by his girlfriend's place, a woman named Sherry Klein. He also told her that he'd called the house and nobody had answered. He even tried to call again while they're in her company.

Why would he be doing that? Because he's trying to make it. Yeah, he's trying to make it. Who does that? Yeah. I don't call home during the day. So here's, there was a reason that you could justify why he was doing that. It's because he'd never had, he didn't have a key to the house.

Interesting. And so he needed someone there if he was going to go home, which is why he's not going home based on what he's conveying to people. So he's with his girlfriend, Sherry. They would end up going to a shopping mall before swinging by his buddy. Bobby's house and he would also tell Bobby that nobody was answering his calls and try again from his place

part of like I said part of his concern was that he just didn't have keys to the house so my thought was he was bringing this up because he was like well I need to go get home whenever they're there essentially to get inside the house they visit with Bobby for a bit and he let him know that if he wanted to hang out later

he'll be at Henry's bar a local tavern around 6 p.m. that night from there Ronnie and Sherry hung out a little bit drank and did heroin, which is what you do, I guess. That's a lot. Around 6.30, he burst back into the bar and would proclaim that he needed help because he thinks his parents are shot.

A group of patrons, they would go to the house with Ronnie and discover the crime scene. Police would arrive and take Ronnie to the police station after he told them he thinks it was a mob hit carried out by a hitman named a guy named Louis Fellini. That's very specific. Well, so Lewis was like an actual

known mafia hitman, which makes you wonder, like, why was he arrested? Like, everyone knows your mafia hitman? Everybody knows, yeah. I don't know. I feel like, that's a great question. And, well, yeah, it's Long Island. Yeah, so are we. Yeah, exactly.

Basically, Ronnie claimed the two-ed-in-argument like years earlier and that he probably killed his family for that reason. That was his argument. Got it. Ronnie said that he was at home until about 4 a.m. the morning of the murders. He couldn't sleep, so he decided to go into work early. And police believe them.

And to protect him for what they thought was going to be another potential victim of this guy, Fellini, they basically let him to sleep at the station while the investigation was going on at the house. There they found a 35, they found a bunch of live 35 caliber bullets in his room. And during the course of investigation, they also found out that he was a heroin user because he had all his paraphernalia hanging around. They also found out through investigations that he had burned his dad's boat to help his dad, elect insurance payout after Ronnie had blown the engine doing probably stupid shit.

No question. What does a live bullet mean? It just means like how would you, if you had a not live bullet, is that one that's been used or like not? Yeah, well, not live bullet is when you dig out of someone's head and the live one is it when you find in a box. Got it. So basically they were piecing together.

The insurance fraud thing, they found out he had embezzled money from his job. They basically were starting to realize like this guy's not like some decent person. Like he's a scumbag. Which is what he was. He was a complete fucking scumbag. So the police started pressing into his written statement on the timeline of the murders. And it was around this time when they were interviewing him again that they also discovered the murder weapon was the 35 caliber rifle, which matched the bullets that he has in his room. His story started changing. He basically was being pressed. He was probably also going to withdrawals to this point, frankly.

and eventually he would tell police that this Fellini guy woke him up and let him know that he was going to kill his whole family that was kind of like the story he was like yeah I was there you're right it happened when I was still at the house but I didn't do it this guy woke me up he like told me to stay put he's going to kill the whole family and then I ran away that that was that's how the story kind of changed over time it's a weird thing to have someone do yeah and by this point police were like no part of this story is kind of making sense and it became clear that he was the perpetrator and so they ended up

charging him with six counts of murder he went so far as to say that once he started the killings he couldn't stop himself and he led police directly to where he discarded that evidence in Brooklyn so it was obviously him like there's no doubt about it. No one's questioning that his attorney would argue that

that he was not guilty by reason of insanity. The defense's psych evaluation would determine that he was he did have paranoid schizophrenia and also that he had auditory hallucinations and so he couldn't be responsible for his actions at that time. The prosecution obviously disagreed

saying that he was just like a narcissistic heroin user and he went into a fit of rage and did this. And frankly, that's probably the most true thing. For insanity to work, you have to not appreciate the banality of what you're doing. Right, you have to like not understand the consequences. So you wouldn't hide the gun.

You wouldn't have the gun. Yeah. It was also a last podcast episode. If you ever want to get found not guilty, very reason of insane and just like walk around with like the person's hat like wearing it as a hat down the street. right because then you're obviously not doing great so he was found guilty of six counts of second degree murder and sentenced to 25 years to life in a maximum security prison since then he has claimed that demonic voices told him to kill his family um and that was also discarded because

there was a schizophrenia thing but that wasn't like that was the defense's argument and apparently heroin is not a hallucogenic i never knew that i looked that up but it's not a It just makes you like gel out. Yeah, and all he had in the system was heroin that night. Is this schizophrenia a real diagnosis or they did that just a defense? That was a defense. Well, it was their, the defense's psych eval said that he had schizophrenia, but it was never conclusive.

Got it. He would later claim that his sister Don helped him do it and also that Don was, that at first it was him and Don did it. Then it was Don and a friend of Don's helped him do it. He also claimed that the mother helped him do it. It was like he was losing his mind.

Like he was saying all kinds of crazy shit. At one point he said the family consented to being killed. He was just nuts. And the final claim was that he was possessed when he was doing it. But that was only after the movies came out and became like

hugely successful. So like he was just playing that up. And, oh, yeah, I forgot. There was another one that he claimed. He claimed that he was framed because someone wanted his family's inheritance and they wanted it to like skip over him. But he killed everyone in the line of succession. So he's like, again, he's like coming up with ideas that only a heroin addict can come

up with. He ended up spending 47 years in prison and on March 12th, 2021. so fairly recently he died in Albany Medical Center for reasons that the government has never released. The typical speculation is that he had some sort of chronic cardiac issue that afflicted him that he died because of. Or practically, it's probably because he died of COVID and the government didn't want to reveal that. Oh, yeah, probably. It was 2021. Yeah. So that's his story. That's how the family all met their end. And, yeah. Yeah, the house still exists.

The house is still there. Somebody bought it fairly recently, I think. I mean, it's a very nice house, and no one has ever had any problems in it. Yeah. I mean, the Lutz has obviously lied because they were liars, but good on them. Well, we didn't make a ton of money, but the, good on the Warrants made a ton of money. Warrens made a ton of money. Jay Anson made a ton of money.

I think the Lutz's, I think I heard they sold their entire rights to everything for $300,000, which is nuts. Yeah, which is like a bummer because. this is huge. So what do you think, what do you think happened? I have some questions and ideas. Okay. Shoot.

You go. Okay. So you know how people, in the second 70s Amityville movie, they say that Ronnie and Dawn had a relationship, like the sexual relationship, which like obviously is not true.

But like, and then she helped him do the murders. But okay, I'm looking at all these pictures of them if you want to find them on the internet. You can find them in their beds. And you're right. They're all on their stomachs.

But then like, there's a still from a movie, because there's so many movies where they're on their stomach crying where like order the sisters it's probably dawned out of stomach crying and the brothers coming in so like what if he yelled at them and said everyone lay face down and you won't get killed it's definitely possible you know it just think that a face down thing i think is really really weird and then like because like it would have he would have had to either be telling them to lay down and not do anything maybe he was like someone else is in the house

everyone lay down face down don't look close your eyes or or whatever and then he was doing it because otherwise like you couldn't do it fast enough like i remember when you did the vasilka axe murders we talked about that because i read that book the man on the train about that axe murder that was like going around the country killing families and then part of it was like how could the families not hear him when he walked up the stairs because like the stairs had creaky stairs like that was like known all these things but like the thing that the author of the man on the train um he suggested that like maybe he just went really fast you know like he like ran up the stairs really fast and before you know it you're being ex-murdered

like you don't have a chance to think about it but with this he'd have to like re I don't know re-cock the gun reload every time so maybe he told him to lay down maybe that maybe that because also I mentioned like you had pulled the gun on his dad before yeah maybe the whole family because he's it's also like fairly significantly older than everybody else and so they're like we just listen to what Ronnie tells us maybe he said like this hitman's in the house I'm gonna go get him everybody did it up you're hearing shots from another another another really at someone else you know yeah the argument about don was that they did find gunpowder on her but they think that they think that it was just a close range enough shot to where the gunpowder

that it gets naturally emitted could have just settled on her and like that's that's probably what it was and i heard the whole relationship thing too also it's worth noting the demafia thing thing was played up like a ton and i'm pretty sure that was just blatant racism racism yeah Like it was it was because they were like yeah this guy's like an Italian rich guy like he's got to be in the mafia apparently there was some like uncle or something that was in the mafia so maybe it's maybe it's accurate racism but like it was it was like the grandfather's like uncle or something was a part of like some family um but they were like it seemed like it was far enough removed to where like you're kind of stretching yeah I agree. But it is, you're right, the more I'm thinking about the whole lying or stomach thing, I mean, that is the piece that people think about. I think that's weird, yeah.

I think it's just like a strange fact that like, like, if you went into my house at 3 o'clock in the morning, you would find four people sleeping in four totally different positions. Yeah. You know, like you just, I don't know, that feels like too much of a coincidence. So it makes sense to me that they were like told just to do that. yeah i could see that i could see that maybe yeah they were just scared they could also be scared there's there's a common thing with people like well if you're in a um kidnapping situation why don't

you fight back or why don't you do so and it's like you don't know how you're gonna deal with it like no you're scared and it's confusing and like i um if i heard if i heard something happening in my house i think it would take me a bit to even register it enough to come up and formulate a plan of how to respond to it. Yeah. And I'm a 40-year-old man. Did you remember when that guy, like, there was that shooting in my neighborhood a couple of months ago?

And like, so it was like a house that's like, you can see it from my house, but it's like across the hill. So like it's pretty far. But they, like a guy had stolen a car. He had driven up a street. He thought it was a street. It was a driveway. So it kind of got stuck.

And the police were following him. And then there were some shots. But those shots went out at like maybe 2.30 in the morning. And my husband woke up. And he was like, I hear gunshots. he did a great job he like got up woke me up immediately

was like their gunshots and then we were looking at the window and then we like saw a police car it's like over the hill like whatever

so I was impressed because yeah like you said like it's hard to be like what do you do like last podcast just did the

the um the the that massacre in Tasmania that you did yeah and Martin something yeah

and a lot of people just like didn't run they didn't know what to do they were confused because it's confusing you know you'd be like, why am I being woken up to this? What is this?

Also, I live in Texas. Gunshots or nothing? A gunshot would not wake me up. Yeah. No, totally. If you live in a city, you hear gunshots all the time. I don't know. I had a friend we both know visiting, a British friend visiting, and we were sitting outside talking

and there was gunshots in the distance. Like, what is that? I'm like, gunshots like, like, should we duck? I'm like, no, they're just going off all the time. I'm like, look at them to do their thing. It's our. it's our state pastime shoot guns in there yeah just with shots um yeah

that sucks i feel sad for the family there's um there's also interviews of rani as like an older man like in his like 50s and he still sounds like a complete dirt bag like if you listen to interviews of easily he just has that long island draw

did he ever like say he was sorry or like anything that. No, not that I saw. And he also changed the story so many times. There's a

credibility crisis with this guy where like you don't even know what to believe because the story changed constantly. Mm-hmm.

So, but that being said, I do think I want to watch anybody build tonight. I need like a list of all the movies. Okay, I'm going to tell you to do this.

What are all the movies? Because if you ever watch the, we should also talk about the Lutz's but like, do you have watched a documentary about the poor Lutz kid? No.

It's like called the kid. Danny, I think. Hold on. M-I-N-I-V-I-L-A. And it ruined his life, obviously. You know? Yeah, of course.

His parents sensationalized this thing. It was terrible for everyone. And then, like, it just, his life was ruined. So here's the thing. I would not be surprised if something did happen because what sane person would take on a mortgage and then leave after 28 days. Yeah. That is a little bit crazy.

But they could have also been suffering psychological issues. themselves or they could have been gassing themselves up and thinking that it's real, you know? Exactly. There's the core, the core movies are the Amityville Horror, Emoryville 2, the Possession, Amityville 3D that was released

in 1983 in 3D, the Amityville curse, it's about time, Amyville New Generation, Eminemiteville Dollhouse, that's the one where there's like a haunted dollhouse. Then there's the re-the-claw, oh, the clock is the one with Betty Davis, and then the movie of horror 2005, wow, that's 20 years ago for Ryan Reynolds. And then there's

like, Emineville Asylum, Enneville Death House, Emanyville the Awakening, Emanyville Murders, oh, that's from Lifetime. And there's Emmanyville in Space from 2022. That one's not worth watching. Yeah, what a wild story. It's one and a half stars on IMD. Yeah, dude, there's

so many. Oh, that's what it was called. Amityville where the Echo lives, it looks horrible. If you watch the trailer for it, like zero part of you is scared, zero part of you would ever want to watch that movie. The acting looks horrible. The set looks horrible. Like the entire premise looks like dog shit.

Oh, this is 2024. Yeah, it's like pretty new. Yeah, it seems like a pretty easy thing to just create a story around. Oh, zero people in this movie have pictures in the MDB. Well, what does? Yeah, this was definitely

done on a talk about budget. I love it. Cool. Yeah. I like, are you going to watch the Ryan Reynolds one tonight?

I think so. I think the Ryan Reynolds one. I don't know when the last time I watched that one was. I think I've watched the old one like more recently because then there's like, I love the part with like the red closet and the old one. It's so good. When Ryan Reynolds, I think it's good because like Ryan Reynolds like, when he gets like insane, he's like jacked

and you're like, oh, this guy could literally strangle everybody in this house with his bare hands. Is this before he had his like? like Ryan Reynolds voice. No, he had his Ronald voice. He's still Ryan Reynolds as Ryan Reynolds playing a character. Yep. Yeah. And at times it's like

this is Van Wilder. Why am I taking them seriously? Exactly. Like, oh, I'm watching Deadpool? Oh, no. I'm watching this. Oh, is Deadpool just Van Wilder with a mask on? Yes. Okay. Keep going. Everything is just Van Wilder with different set dressing. But yeah, that's my story. Thank you.

And hopefully it was interesting because it is, the unlying story is pretty freaky. And Yeah. I think so, too. I think that's scarier as the thought that someone in your family will murder you at night. And more likely than a demon. 100% more likely.

At least 50% more likely. At least 50% more likely. There you go. Hopefully none of it happens to any of you, but. And at some point, I got to figure out what to do with this sign. Because it just hangs back here, and I thought about putting it on my gate, and I was like, I might look crazy. No one out of like a thousand people would know. And I don't think it's like a weather tree.

did. So, like, I don't know if I want to leave it out there. Oh, yeah. You keep it outside. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but they just had it. And like, you know, like we said, props on them for naming their house. You talked about mine's name your house. It was very cute, actually. And also adds to grimness of, like, what happened there. Say, no. It's so much worse. Like, what were you hoping for?

Yeah. Yeah. It's like when you watch, like, investigation discovery and, like, it shows like a murder scene in the kitchen has live, laugh, love, and you're like, man. I know. Like, the opposite of that. that's actually never good it's never good um yeah the new the amityville of ryan reynolds has four and a half stars on things it's a good it's a good movie my only point on it is like it's not like they add stuff yeah and they like yeah exactly they need it to do stuff but i mean like when you first hear about the lutz part i mean that picture that's obviously not real of like

the ghost in the in the hall is like so scary and you know the warrants weren't the warrants there for like a day or were they there for longer than that I think it was just a day and then like they were like let's write a book and everybody was laughing yeah I mean they literally just figured out how to monetize

this stuff I mean that's really ultimately what their gift is is marketability like they're really good at marketing yeah so I love that for them cool cool thank you very exciting I will watch that

movie as well. I think I'll have an old one open. Old one's still so good, me, though. I just It's a bit of a classic. I do love it. I was actually thinking about this other day because someone told me they had a bird in their house, someone that I work with, and I was telling them one time we had a

squirrel die in like the walls of our house and we lived in Queens, and there were flies everywhere. It was just like every of the horror. Like the flies were like on, so we would like open the window and why I would try to hit them with like a fly water and I would vacuum them, but it was like hundreds of flies it was awful yeah but it was just like this what did it get cold all of a sudden right when i was saying that no with the flies being there oh no just flies because there

yeah yeah demons just dead things yeah um cool you got anything to read out for us no nothing new but thank you everyone for listening find us everywhere listen to podcast doomed to fail pod and on patreon as well and if you have any ideas let us know we are approaching our 200th episode so i'm excited i'm going to do um i have two big big ones planned that are like very um classic doomed stories i'm excited to tell you about them is it a series or independent two independent ones so sweet potentially long but fun yeah awesome okay we can go ahead and cut things off as usual write to us at doom nifel pod at com find us on the socials at duneafel pod and we will join you all again in a few days.

Sweet. Thanks, Saylor. Thank you.